0098 Sir Gene Speaks with Dude Named Defango

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Gene (00:00):
Hey, it's Sir Gene and joining me once again, today is
Duo.
How are you?

Defango (00:05):
Oh, I'm doing all right.
You know, just, uh, hanging inthere, in this, uh, wild world
we live in.

Gene (00:11):
It is getting more wild, isn't it?
I mean, we all thought that whenCovid was, you know, quote
unquote over that things wouldbe a little more calm, but it's
not going in that direction.

Defango (00:22):
No, no, it is not, it seems like it's just getting a
little bit crazier.
Maybe not here in the States,but overseas.

Gene (00:30):
I think it's getting pretty crazy over here as well.

Defango (00:33):
Oh, in what way?

Gene (00:35):
Oh, people getting banned off of Twitter,

Defango (00:38):
Oh, yeah.
People are always getting bannedoff for Twitter though,

Gene (00:41):
but I, but I thought Elon came in to change all that.

Defango (00:44):
Yeah, that's what everybody thought.

Gene (00:45):
Wasn't Elon supposed to unban everybody?
Didn't he say he was a freespeech absolutist?

Defango (00:51):
Yes, he did say he was a free speech absolutist, but
I'm starting to think that he'snot.

Gene (00:57):
Well, I think it sounds like he's pretty free with his
speech, so that part of it'strue,

Defango (01:03):
He's okay with his speech being

Gene (01:05):
which is why he bought the platform so he can be free with
his speech.
So that's pretty absolute.
I guess technically he's right,

Defango (01:13):
Technically he's right.
Yes.
But is,

Gene (01:16):
yeah, I don't think anybody else is a free speech
absolutist in that platformthough.

Defango (01:20):
No, no, no.
Definitely not.
His new trust and safety person

Gene (01:24):
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.

Defango (01:25):
that her name was like Ella g Irwin or something like
that.
I got introduced to her.
Yeah.
It's like I started tweeting ather and the very next day, all
of a sudden, you know, my tweetsare getting, make it made to be
deleted, but the, there's noreason.
It's just blank.
The reason is blank.

Gene (01:45):
So you, you think she's the um, she's like in cahoots.

Defango (01:51):
Mm.
Well, I mean, we went back ontothe Twitter feeds and we saw
that they were both interactingwith each other.
They both follow each other.
So,

Gene (01:59):
So you, you're saying she's, uh, Eliza Blue's lesbian
lover.

Defango (02:04):
um, I didn't say that, I

Gene (02:06):
what I heard you

Defango (02:06):
she was her n at Twitter.
That's, that's

Gene (02:09):
Right?
I, get it.
I know what you're, what you'relaying down there.
Exactly.

Defango (02:13):
it up what I put down there.

Gene (02:15):
some pipe.

Defango (02:16):
Yeah.
I don't, I haven't laid anypipe.
No pipe has been laid.
I am not, I am not a, uh,contractor.
I am

Gene (02:25):
where, where, where were you able to see those photos of
those two lesbian loversinteracting with each other that
you posted and got banned fromTwitter for?

Defango (02:33):
Um, I didn't post any of that.
I didn't post that.
I got banned from Twitter, or Igot banned from Twitter for
posting myself being onsomebody's show.
Like just posting like myappearance on their show?

Gene (02:47):
and is that because you couldn't stop harassing him or
why?

Defango (02:50):
Uh, no.
No.
I think it's actually because ofthe thumbnail.
The thumbnail had a photographof Eliza Blue and Jack Murphy
like put together, you knowEliza Blue with Jack Murphy's
beard?

Gene (03:02):
Okay.
So it could have been JackMurphy that got you banned.

Defango (03:05):
Yeah.
It could have been Jack Murphy.
They got me, man.
But most people are thinkingthat it's gonna be the whole
Eliza Blue character cuz they'resaying she's Jack Murphy 2.0,
the female version of JackMurphy.
I mean, everybody's justbasically waiting for butt plug,
you know, shots to come out

Gene (03:21):
Right.
Well, that, that's kind of whatJack Murphy's famous for is
being a conservative YouTuberslash men's movement activist

Defango (03:28):
Alpha male.

Gene (03:29):
profiteer off of gullible young men.
And, uh, it sounds like Eliza'sFit, Nolo, three of those as
well.

Defango (03:36):
Yeah, she fits the entire mold, everything that
happened with Jack and then

Gene (03:41):
and they were both on Tim Cast.

Defango (03:43):
Yep.
They were both on Tim cast andwhen they both got exposed, they
started going on a murderouscensorship rampage.

Gene (03:50):
It's always somebody else's fault, isn't it?

Defango (03:52):
Yeah.
It's always somebody else'sfault.
I don't know how I ended upbeing at the forefront of all of
this, but,

Gene (03:58):
Well, I've heard your name bit brought up by some pretty
large YouTubers out there, youknow, millions of people and
they, they're talking about you.

Defango (04:06):
Yeah, I know.
I was pretty surprised.
I was watching Jeremy from theQuartering show today, and I saw
him pull my, you know, tweet upand he said my name, and then he
even read what I said, where Iwas kind of talking shit about
him, and he just like laughed.
I just laughed and I'm justlike, Leonardo drap Rio pointing
at the television screen, like,Ooh.
Yeah.

Gene (04:25):
Mm-hmm.
Well, I think you know, Jeremy,contrary to what he says, he
loves drama.
Every drama he can get himselfwedged into, he's happy to do.

Defango (04:36):
I agree.
I've seen him get into thedrama.
He got into there and I'm notlike knocking in for it.
This is totally on brand forhim, but he's going to ba, he
went to bat for Britney Vanti.
Let's be real.
He didn't go to bat for me.

Gene (04:50):
Oh, absolutely.
And he didn't even really knowBritney that well, but now he
does

Defango (04:54):
Yeah, now he does.
He was like, went on her showand stuff.
I was just kind of like, damn,Doug, you're going, you're
helping out the 25 year oldTwitch girl.
They got banned or whatever.
I was like,

Gene (05:03):
Yeah.
Yeah.
No, it's, it's funny cuz youknow, right after Tim Cast got
swatted, Jeremy got swatted.
It's funny how that always seemsto happen, you know, like right
after Britney gets banned,Jeremy gets banned.

Defango (05:16):
Yeah, right after Britney gets banned, Jeremy gets
banned and then there's like awhole cadre of individuals that
have come up over this, whichI've just been watching half of
these people on like NerdRoddick show, cuz I like
subscribe to him.
I'm a member or whatever on hischannel and I watch his stuff
all the time cause I enjoy it.
And I just was like, ChrissyMayer, that Star Wars girl,
couple, couple of those folks,you know, like they're in on

(05:38):
this stuff too,

Gene (05:40):
they don't want to miss their opportunity for more
views.

Defango (05:43):
well, I mean I, I guess I see it like that.
But for like Chrissy, I thinkit's more that she's had that
girl on her show like threetimes.

Gene (05:51):
Yeah.
And that just tells yousomething about Chrissy, doesn't
it?

Defango (05:55):
Well, I mean, Chrissy's a comedian.
She's got like a zillion

Gene (05:58):
she funny though?
I've seen her and I don't, I'venever seen anything that's
actually funny come out of hermouth.

Defango (06:05):
I don't know.
She seems to be pretty popular.
She's got like a whole show andeverything

Gene (06:08):
not that popular.
I mean, she's probably got a10th of Jeremy's audience, less
than that

Defango (06:14):
Hmm.
That's, I guess you, you couldsay that's true, but she does
seem to

Gene (06:18):
I think she's got less of an audience than Britney does

Defango (06:21):
No, I think they're about the same.
No, no.
Brittany's like maybe double, Ithink,

Gene (06:25):
Yeah, Britney.

Defango (06:27):
162,000 I think for Brittany.

Gene (06:29):
I don't watch her regularly, but I've seen a few
of the trolls she's done, whichhave been insanely hilarious.
Like she did a thing where shewas in grand theft audio, uh, a
Grand theft auto, God damn, Ican't pronounce.
And, um, uh, people wereharassing her, quote unquote, in

(06:51):
that

Defango (06:51):
Oh yeah.

Gene (06:52):
And it was hilarious because she is a 100% willing
participant for the views andgreat content, but she, the
words coming out of her mouthare on par with the typical
stereotypical California, uh,wokes.
And it's like, leave me alone.

(07:13):
Why are you following me withthat fish?
It's, it's like, it's thefunniest stuff.
And clearly the guy, the guysthat were in that game with her
are seeing this as, um, exactlywhat it is, which is.
Making fun of the wholesituation.
Not actually somebody who'soffended, but she does a great
job of keeping a straight face.

(07:34):
I, I totally have to give it herprops.
Big time.
Brittany has, um, I watched heron and off for three years
probably.
She has done a great job ofdoing trolling with a totally
straight face on multipleoccasions.

Defango (07:51):
No, I agree.
I've been following her alongfor quite some time or whatever.
Like I reremember, I've watchedthe GTA stuff, I've seen, you
know, a lot of a Reese andstuff.
That's why to me it was justkind of like, you know, strange
cuz like I had put this threadout like almost a month ago,
pretty much.
And there was really like, therewas subtraction on it, you know,

(08:13):
I went up some, a massive amountof followers.
I was like, not sur I was verysurprised and.

Gene (08:18):
tripping there.

Defango (08:20):
Yeah.
And then, you know, all of asudden outta nowhere I see a
bunch of people talking aboutBritney Venti posting up a
thread and getting blocked, andthis whole entire thing just
snowballed outta control.
Outta control, which is cool forme.

Gene (08:35):
I, well, yeah, I mean, I hope you're getting some major,
um, numbers picking up in bothTwitter and in YouTube.
Bland.

Defango (08:43):
Yeah, my phone just keeps going off.
I have to like, people keep onasking me like, dude, what's
going on?
I was like, ah, it's my Twitter.
It's just, there's, there's,

Gene (08:53):
used to say, oh, it's my Instagram.
I, I've got 8 million followersin there.

Defango (08:57):
No, no, no.
I'd say that's my Twitter.
I got, I was like, I got up tothree K, but you know, I'd got
like a million subscriberchannel to talk about my stuff
or whatever.
I was like, feels good man, butthat's okay.
You know, like that's how itused to work back in the day.
I would like start talking aboutsomething and then like a month
later I'd get really big andthen all these other people
would be talking about it.
So, feels good to have that setup back again, you know?

(09:21):
Feels

Gene (09:21):
Yeah.
And you're, you're providingthem a way to get some more
views, so they're happy to talkabout it, and I'm glad they're
actually mentioning your nameinstead of just saying some
small Twitter guy,

Defango (09:32):
Yeah.
So it's all Twitter guy, that'snobody.
And be like, yeah, I, I think itwas pretty funny cuz I was
actually talking to Cassandra,uh, well I guess her name's
Cassandra McDonald now, but sheused to be Cassandra Fairbanks.
Uh,

Gene (09:43):
Tim Tim's chick,

Defango (09:45):
like producer girl, she messaged me, uh, about this
stuff.
Which is funny because I'vetalked to her before in the
past.
I, you know, been through someinteresting s I guess some
interesting things with her, butyou know, like all positive
actually.
So I was just kind of liketalking back and forth with her
about it, you know, like Ihaven't bothered her at all
about this stuff.

(10:06):
And I wasn't even reallybothering Tim pull directly
about it cuz I was like, youknow what, this guy's gonna
eventually have to say somethingabout this.
And I mean, he did

Gene (10:15):
well,

Defango (10:16):
Although it wasn't

Gene (10:17):
he really didn't.

Defango (10:18):
Yeah, he

Gene (10:18):
been launching him.
I mean, he, he said that there'ssome kind of thing going on in
Germany, I guess has beenbanned, and I guess there's
something going on

Defango (10:26):
He said something.

Gene (10:28):
He was as Gene ric about it as, as anything, I guess he
said more than he did about JackMurphy.
That's true.

Defango (10:34):
exactly.
He said absolutely nothing aboutJack

Gene (10:37):
about Jack Murphy at

Defango (10:38):
but this situation that has been created.
Definitely Gene rated a lot morelike hype than the Jack Murphy
thing because people have seenit before and I think more
people are angry right nowbecause they kind of like, get
what I'm putting down.
Cuz it's not like I'm sayingthat, you know, like, I have the

(10:59):
perfect story or whatever.
I'm just saying that, you know,the stories that

Gene (11:02):
Well, you're not a, you're not an investigative journalist,
you're just kind of calling whatyou're seeing.

Defango (11:07):
uh, I guess, I mean, I don't know.
I got some of theseinvestigative journalists hit me
up about this shit and I alreadyhad some fools from N B C news
trying to get at me.
And then I saw somebody else,uh, probably from the Washington
Post or whatever, one of TaylorLorenz's people.

Gene (11:25):
Yeah.

Defango (11:25):
was just like, fuck.
I was like, no.

Gene (11:28):
discredit you?
Give us

Defango (11:30):
Yeah.
I was like, no.
I was like, no, no.
They wanna discredit Elon.
That's what they wanna do this,they want to use this situation
to discredit Elon,

Gene (11:38):
now I have no knowledge obviously of anything, but it
sure does seem like Elon's got athing for this chick.

Defango (11:47):
Yeah, I would have to say that some people are, people
are still claiming that he gaveher a free Tesla,

Gene (11:53):
I wouldn't be surprised,

Defango (11:54):
so, but you know, like we've still not been able to get
any serious confirmation on that

Gene (12:00):
technically I will say he never gives Teslas.
I know somebody else, I got afree one as well.
He always gives them a freelease to a Tesla.

Defango (12:09):
Yeah, so it's probably a free lease,

Gene (12:11):
Yeah, that's my guess.
But you know, if you say he gaveher a free Tesla, then
somebody's gonna name the factcheck media, say fact check.
False.
This is, this is a well knownlie that's propagated on the
internet.
Elon Musk did not give her afree Tesla,

Defango (12:26):
haven't gotten that though.

Gene (12:27):
and then they'll stop at that.

Defango (12:29):
No, we, we, we don't get those types of fact checks
or whatever at the current time.
I mean, you know, like we'vebasically, uh, through no fault
of our own, through, through nofault of our my own in this
particular situation, you know,I've probably created the, of
the biggest little single mostthings that could probably

(12:50):
really, really irk the wholeentire thing.
Cuz N b NBC just talked abouthow they were saying, oh, we're
taking out CP on the

Gene (12:57):
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.

Defango (12:59):
we proved that no, that's s not actually the case.
You know, the freaking, all ofthe stuff that they said

Gene (13:05):
Or, or if it is being taken off, it definitely wasn't
because of what she was doing.

Defango (13:10):
Exactly.
It got taken off because of whatN B C News did after they
submitted their stuff.
And then they finally actuallytook some action, which was like
way up.
But I had to sit and listenthrough, I don't know, like
hundreds of different Twitteraccounts tweeting at me.
Oh.
But El Eliza stopped likefucking c a p on Twitter with
Elon.
I don't know what you're talkingabout.
And I was like, so they weretalking on a Twitter space and

(13:33):
they stopped it.
Okay.
That's what happened.
Really?
Okay.
Yeah.
That's not what happened.
I mean, they just were talkingabout it.
Like me and you are talkingright now.
We ain't changing the fuckingworld yet.

Gene (13:45):
Yeah.
Speak for yourself.
Uh,

Defango (13:48):
know.
I, me, I'm just chilling.

Gene (13:51):
I think.
It is a very naive way to lookat it.
And it's like Neil, uh, youknow, Ellan just bought the
company.
He was like, yeah, it's allgood.
Everything's cool.
I love the, the child porn onhere.
And then out of the blue, thisblue-haired chick, middle-aged
chick, frankly, comes out and,and, uh, yeah, definitely of

(14:12):
that age, uh, says, Hey Elon.

Defango (14:14):
on good authority.
She's a definitive cougar, like19 year old boyfriend.
17 year old

Gene (14:20):
All right.
There you Well, nothing wrongwith that in my book.
You know, everybody likes tohave a little

Defango (14:26):
a lot of wrong in the, I mean, 17 year old boyfriend,
four year old chick.
That seems wrong in my book.

Gene (14:31):
Well, depends on the country,

Defango (14:32):
not Justin Roland,

Gene (14:35):
Uh, I don't know who has.

Defango (14:37):
the creator of Rick and Morty that

Gene (14:39):
Oh, right, right, right.
Yeah, man, that's another thing.
It's like this fucking culculture is just like, it, it
places zero value on innocentuntil proven guilty.

Defango (14:52):
No, it doesn't.
They people put all kinds ofvalue into innocent until proven
guilty.
It's just that, you know, whenyou get caught up for domestic
violence charges, and thenyou're always making petto
jokes, and then somebodyactually finds out that you're
messaging 16, 15 year old girlsand calling'em jail bait and
saying that you want to bangthem, that's not hearsay.
There's fucking screenshots andshit.

Gene (15:13):
yeah.

Defango (15:14):
It's like, that's exactly like what they do.
What do you mean out of context?

Gene (15:17):
Well, we don't know what

Defango (15:18):
jokes that that's what they say.
He's cracking jokes, but you'renot cracking jokes to 16 year
old girls and calling them jailBain saying that they need to
run away from home and come toyou.
You know, like that's, that'snot okay, bro.
Like that's taking it too far.
Like

Gene (15:32):
Yeah.
It might

Defango (15:33):
older chick, it's inappropriate as fuck.

Gene (15:37):
there's plenty of guys doing standup that do that exact
same thing.
It's, that's actually not

Defango (15:42):
but there's a line and the line is you could

Gene (15:46):
a moral

Defango (15:46):
jokes on stage as you want, no problem.
The second that you go off astage and then you start
actually going and trying toacquire young people to, I
guess, have sex with, that's,you know, crossing the

Gene (16:02):
know that that ever happened.
And that's what I mean byincidental proven guilty.
Like we have a bunch of hype.
We, what we don't have is anyactual facts.

Defango (16:11):
well, I mean, we'll, we'll have to see what goes on
with the domestic violence case,I guess

Gene (16:16):
Yeah.

Defango (16:16):
that's right.
Innocent till proven guilty.

Gene (16:18):
you know, domestic violence today is used as a, uh,
a coverall club anytime a chickis unhappy.
So I wanna see those photos ofbruises.
When I see photos of bruises,then I'll agree with domestic
violence right now.
It sure as hell to me, uh, well,or whatever.

(16:39):
But I mean, I, I wanna see someactual proof cuz I've seen
plenty, plenty of chicks thatwhen regretting their, uh,
relationships.
Concoct all kinds of shit.
We just went through this in theJohnny Depp case, in fact.

Defango (16:55):
Yeah, we

Gene (16:56):
and, and, uh, people have a short memory apparently.
So my, my hashtag I've beenusing is All Women Lie, which I
think is a, it's a fairly honestone.
Um, and it, uh, certainly pissesoff plenty of people, but it
also gets people thinkingbecause it is socially
acceptable in their culture.
For women to tell little whitelies with zero consequences,

(17:18):
it's considered, okay, well, youknow, it's a woman.
Women do that.
It's not acceptable for men todo that.
And I think we need to stop, weneed to stop treating men and
women the same way that'sleading us into a, into becoming
the laughing sack of the world

Defango (17:38):
Well, I mean, in certain ways yes.
But at the same time, you know,we're gonna have to see what
actually comes through on the,on the record or whatever.
But from what I've seen in my,uh, dumb ass investigations, I'm
all like, yo, this guy might bea menace to society and

Gene (17:56):
Well,

Defango (17:57):
just gonna have to see how it plays out with him

Gene (17:59):
I, I, think plenty of people dislike his cartoons and
that might give them just enoughincentive to make him guilty
regardless.

Defango (18:07):
Hmm.
Well, I mean, I like his, I likethe cartoons.
I mean, for the most part, Ithought Rick and Morty was
pretty good.
There were certain things inthere that I was like, yeah,
it's a little bit, uh, littlebit off color or whatever.
But I guess I could see whereyou're going with that.

Gene (18:21):
well, I, I don't watch them.
I, I've never been a Rick andMorty guy, so for me, this is
just a random person inHollywood.
But, um, I did, I did like hisvideo game.
That one I thought was prettyfunny.

Defango (18:33):
Yeah, I didn't

Gene (18:34):
Uh, it was a high on life.
I believe it's,

Defango (18:38):
Hmm.
Yeah, no, I haven't played thatvideo game.

Gene (18:40):
Oh yeah, yeah.
Check it out.
That's where you, uh, use aphone to text underage girls.
It's really fun.

Defango (18:46):
Yeah.
Yeah.
I don't think I wanna, you know,do that

Gene (18:49):
Oh, it's a video game.
It's not real life.

Defango (18:52):
Mm.
I think I'm good.

Gene (18:54):
You you good?
All right, man.
You're not playing many gameslately.

Defango (18:57):
Yeah.
No, no, no, no.
Just been working usually.

Gene (19:01):
you know, as a guy that got me to spend all that money
on Star Citizen and then youdon't even play anymore.

Defango (19:07):
What are you talking about?
I have been playing like everynow and again just to like, pull
it out.
I've actually gotten into thethree 18 P T

Gene (19:14):
Oh, you did?
You're in the PTU though.

Defango (19:16):
Yeah.
I've been on wave one for awhile now, but I, I just haven't
seen like, I mean, I like what'sgoing on with it.
The only problem I have rightnow is I need to get new
joysticks.
My

Gene (19:27):
Yeah.

Defango (19:28):
right one is too jacked up, so you know, I've got, I've
been saving money to actuallylike get me some better ones,
but that just hasn't evendropped yet.
So I don't even plan on likereally putting too much time
into it until it actually, youknow, comes out.
Well then I'm gonna be probablyplaying a lot more, cuz the
salvaging stuff seems a littleinteresting.

Gene (19:48):
It's, it's very, yes, it's a good direction, but it's very
little progress in thatdirection.
At least it's something.
But, uh, I, I like where thegame is going Gene rally.
I like all their updates, but itis going so, fuck and slowly,
like other companies literallymake a brand new game in a year
and a half, in 18 months.

(20:08):
The 18 months of progress thatthis company's had in the last
18 months, it is tiny.
It is really small.
Uh, it's what other companieswould typically do in three
months.

Defango (20:21):
But you know what though?
I really like just flying outinto the middle of nowhere and
finding, you know, a a, anexploded ship and like going and
checking out the little body andseeing that, you know, Jeff
Dunham died here.
Like, to me, that's pretty, Imean, that's pretty epic.
They could have done a lot morewith it.
A lot sooner.

Gene (20:41):
is, it is, it is fun.
And it's good to see alladditions happening.
I just wish more of'em werehappening.
Did you see the exploit forthose, you know, abandoned ships
that you find that are all Rex,like the, the 8, 8 90?
I, um, even though it has nopower and it's, you know, it's
wrecked, um, because it'swrecked.

(21:02):
It's a, it's a placed object,right?
You can't blow that ship up.
You can't destroy it.
You can't do anything with it.
Guess what?
Still works in that ship?

Defango (21:10):
The guns.

Gene (21:11):
The med Bay.

Defango (21:12):
Oh, the Med bay.

Gene (21:13):
So it's a great actually home for somebody, like a little
pirate group, for example, tocause their base station because
you can always respond the ship,you got your own running Med
Bay, uh, it's big enough for youto land other ship.
Now you, you can't rep thoseships on board.
But, uh, it's a nice little homeaway from home, you know, where,

(21:36):
um, uh, what's been Now Iwouldn't say I've ever certainly
seen this happen while I wasonline, but certainly I can
imagine it happening and peoplehave talked about it, of some
unsuspecting coal cleanserflying in, in their little, uh,
hauling salvage ship and findingone of these and going, this is

(21:59):
great.
I can now salvage this ship.
And then, uh, having somebody,uh, blow them up with a rail gun
literally on foot from insidethe wreck and then, um, you
know, take their ship and theirsalvage and uh, whatever else
they had on, on person.
Cuz now we have indestructiblestuff, right?

(22:20):
So when you get killed, all yourstuff stays when your ship.
Gets, um, incapacitated or evenif it gets blown up and
destroyed, your contentsactually spill out so they stay
in the game.
Uh, so it's a nice little, nicelittle home slash lure for a
little pirate group.

Defango (22:39):
Yeah, it'd be cool to check that out.
I've been running my, I've justbeen flying around in my, uh,
freaking mantis, which I liked.
It seems like they gave it aspeed bump of some kind

Gene (22:49):
Oh, they did?
I didn't realize that.
Okay.

Defango (22:51):
because it was going like 1340 something.
I know it was over 1340 that Isaw, cuz I was actually able to
get away from somebody

Gene (22:59):
Really?
Okay.

Defango (23:00):
I was able to keep up with the kerick

Gene (23:03):
Well all those speeds are gonna

Defango (23:04):
used to be able to give up with the kerick at

Gene (23:07):
Oh, in the

Defango (23:07):
is stupid.
Yeah.
Like the kerick used to be ableto take off faster than I could.
So like they could just gostraight in one line and then I
would be able to stay up.
I'm like, this ship is forinterdiction.
You shouldn't be able to getaway from me.
So it seems like they changedthat finally.

Gene (23:24):
Well, it's all gonna go away in, in three 18.3 anyway,
because they're redoing the, uh,speeds.
So your top speed is?

Defango (23:34):
Where it's at right now.

Gene (23:35):
Yeah, we'll see.
We'll see.
Because the top speeds are now,uh, the, the normal flight
speeds are again, drasticallyreduced, basically down to two
to 300 in that range.
But the micro war drive, uh,which is, um, like everything
this game does, I can point afinger at when Eve did it 15
years earlier, it's literally,they're doing the same shit now.

(23:58):
Uh, but when they have thesemicrob drive speeds, you're able
to do what you can also doincidentally in illegal
dangerous, which is while inwarp you're, you're, there's
different warp speeds.
It's not just one speed and warpthat you can't move you, you.
You can fly at different speedsthrough Warp.
You can also change direction inWarp.

(24:20):
So that feature which exists inEve exists in, uh, elite
Dangerous is coming to Star,citizen sounds like around 18.3
or point 18.3.
Um, which is cool.
I mean, again, the more featuresthey add, the better.

Defango (24:34):
So what, like September.

Gene (24:37):
um, so 18 three should probably be, yeah, probably
Christmas time ish,

Defango (24:46):
Yeah, I don't think they're gonna get it out until
we'll have three 19 in time

Gene (24:51):
every, everything is subject to being delayed, but
the last I heard was they weretargeting 18 three for the, uh,
uh, for the speed change.
So it'll be interesting.
It'll be interesting.
I always like

Defango (25:03):
forward to that, but you know

Gene (25:05):
I think, well, rum, rum with the speed change comes, the
inability to use Shields onanything.
Faster than about 300 meters persecond.

Defango (25:17):
Which

Gene (25:18):
So you can only use shields at low speed.
You can't use shields whenyou're micro work driving
around.

Defango (25:25):
Yeah.
Which is dumb.

Gene (25:29):
Well, it's, it's interesting.
I, I think it is, it's a littlebit of a forced move.
Like nobody asked them to dothat.
Um, it will definitelycompletely reset the gameplay.

Defango (25:41):
War II in space, but they did it anyway.

Gene (25:43):
God.
Yeah.
I mean that's a continuingongoing bullshit topic for me
that I'm kind of getting tiredof is just tell, look, like
everything about that game isWorld War II fighter pilot's
flying around in space, uh,every

Defango (25:58):
now we're gonna have some warp thing that we're gonna
have to push another buttonforward.

Gene (26:04):
Yeah.
It kind of forces you to get a

Defango (26:05):
you're gonna get warp, and then somebody's gonna be
behind you and you know, likethey're not gonna be able to be
shooting you.
So people are just gonna berunning away

Gene (26:14):
Yeah.
People are gonna be runningaway, but the

Defango (26:17):
And how can you knock somebody outta warp?

Gene (26:19):
manos.

Defango (26:21):
So the owner ship's gonna be the manti.

Gene (26:24):
Yeah.
I think that means they'reprobably going to introduce
another ship with that abilityfor, you know, somewhere between
three and$800.

Defango (26:33):
Hmm, dear, have the, they have two ships that it can
interdict

Gene (26:38):
Um,

Defango (26:39):
and the cutie Blue.
But the cutie blue has thatgarbage tether thing that, you
know, you have to be within twoK for

Gene (26:47):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It, it's, I I think that ship isreally more about keeping
somebody from leaving, beingnext to the ship rather than
actually pulling'em out of, uh,out of a jump.
I think that right now the Mantais the only one that pulls'em
out, but could be wrong.

Defango (27:02):
Yeah.
Mantis is the only one thatpulls'em out, but it's a nice
pullout.

Gene (27:06):
Mm-hmm.
So, yeah, I'm,

Defango (27:09):
a lot.

Gene (27:10):
I'm kind of looking forward to that as well.
I'm not playing currently.
There's a few other games I'vebeen playing catching up on.
But,

Defango (27:17):
Val Heim, bro.
It's all

Gene (27:19):
yeah, I haven't done that.
I have not done Val Heim yet.
I've been playing iGen, I X I On, uh, which is kind of a Ring
world thing.
And then I've also been playing,what's the other game called?
Um, BA ba ba ba.
The other game is called Where'sMy Steam?

(27:42):
Um, uh, fuck it.
It's got a weird name that Ican't think of right now for
some reason.

(28:02):
Um, it's got like a somethingcolon, something, something type
name, which I hate when the gamestamped that cuz I can never
remember them al.
Anyway, it'll, I'll eventuallyfigure it out and mention it.
Um, so I haven't been reallywhat?

Defango (28:19):
I haven't, or it's like I've only been playing Belheim
myself.
Like I think I have been playingBaim and then I was playing New
World.
Like I got back into playing NewWorld for a little while to
check out the new content.
But it's like, you know, all, Idon't really like, they haven't
really fixed all the problemsthat, you know, like I had with
the game itself.

(28:40):
Like the PVP is justunrelentingly garbage.
They keep on making the musketlike this weapon in pvp.
That just doesn't make anysense.
It's a musket, but

Gene (28:52):
Well, why would there be a musket in Belheim that's not

Defango (28:55):
No, it's not in Val Heim.
It's a new world.

Gene (28:58):
Oh.
Oh.
In New World.
Oh, sure, sure.

Defango (28:59):
Yeah, in New World they have, uh, a bunch of different
stuff.
But Anna Turnham, one of theweapons is a, is a fricking
musket.
And there's dudes that just likesit in the back and just unload,
you know, so many shots at you,but they're able to hit you
like, you know, perfect pinpointaccuracy every single time.
And they're like, you know, 200meters away or something like

(29:19):
that.

Gene (29:20):
sounds like hackers.

Defango (29:21):
Yeah.
And yeah, well, that's thething.
And then they've got hackers nowthat have trainers that are just
basically letting them auto aimonto people perfectly.

Gene (29:30):
How do aim always kills the game.

Defango (29:32):
mm-hmm.
And then there was a glitch,which made that lit.
Made it so they could rapidfire.
Like boom, boom, boom, boom,boom, boom, boom.

Gene (29:40):
Okay.

Defango (29:40):
it was like, you know, they, they fixed stuff, but
there's so much lag issuesstill.
And then, you know, like thebalancing is just completely
off.
So like, I used to be a healerand then I switched to being
like d p s and doing tanking,and I was having more fun, you
know, doing that.
It's just that like having to,like, the game is just, there's,
you had to have like differentgear for everything.

(30:03):
You know?
Now when you do mutateddungeons, you have to have, you
know, pieces for every singlemutation, or you can't even get
a group.
And then the servers arealready, you know, pretty much
dying

Gene (30:14):
I know a couple guys that play that.
I've just never gotten into itcuz I'm, I'm just less
interested in fantasy than I amin sci-fi stuff.

Defango (30:21):
Yeah, well, I mean, I'm pretty interested in, I was
pretty mally interested insci-fi stuff, but I played New
World because I figured it wouldbe like a, you know, I wanted to
try a different type of

Gene (30:31):
Yeah.
I get

Defango (30:32):
kinda like the combat, you know, one-on-one, it seems
to work all right, but when youget into big groups sometimes
it's just like lag.
It's just Lag Fest.
And then Val Heim was nicebecause I paid for it a long
time ago and I was playing witha group of like, uh, star
citizen guys, like my Organ starcitizen.
And I just kind of kept playingit cuz I was like, oh, I kind of

(30:54):
enjoy this, or whatever,building stuff.
So I just play like the survivalgame and then, you know, build
things.
And I've been progressingthrough again on a new
character, which has been prettyfun.
But it's super

Gene (31:07):
I I found the game as, uh, so stranded Colon alien, Dawn,
have you seen it?

Defango (31:14):
Never heard of it.

Gene (31:16):
So it is a game made by Frontier, which is the same guys
that make lead dangerous andalso that made, uh, Jurassic
World Evolution or whatever.
Um, they are, you know, a decentcompany.
They make good games.
So this is an early release.
It's getting updated veryregularly every month or so.

(31:36):
Uh, but it, it's, the centralidea is your, your little
spaceship crashes on a alienworld.
There's four of you.
It's a top down game.
So you kind of play it like youwould, um, age of, um, empires
kind.
But you're not controlling, youknow, a thousand.
Yeah.
Kind of, kind of like sim like,but you could also zoom out

(31:56):
pretty far.
I don't, I don't think sim zoomsout.
Maybe does.
I don't know, but

Defango (32:01):
a PTU update.

Gene (32:03):
Oh, yeah.
Oh, there you

Defango (32:04):
saw it.

Gene (32:05):
Maybe they're opening it up for more people.
Uh,

Defango (32:10):
I don't want, I like it when it's only US streamers in
there.

Gene (32:12):
right.
Hot

Defango (32:13):
It's funny, I always talk smack because they're like,
you're not even a streameranymore.
You don't even stream this gameanymore.
And I was like, you want me toblow you up?

Gene (32:21):
mm-hmm.
It's funny.
Um, well, you, yeah.
You've, you've always kind ofbeen on the pirate side anyway.

Defango (32:29):
I wasn't on the pirate side.
I was the goodest kid to be,when I first started for three
years, I was the chief of beingnice.
I was literally in cobra's org.
It was all Care Bears andSunshine.

Gene (32:44):
well, whatever.
Cobra's done.
Plenty of p.

Defango (32:47):
Yeah, well, I mean, whatever.
I was always like, you know, thegood guy or whatever.
And then, you know, shithappens.
So I decided to go, you know,try out the bad stuff and then,
you know, everybody gets,everybody

Gene (32:59):
went, you went to the dark side, didn't you?
You went to the dark side.
Well, I'm about to do that.
I've, I've said from the GetGo,as soon as they do that
mechanic, where the uh, uh,well, as soon as that goes live,
right in the live game now the pt u where the, uh, the, uh,
shields don't do jack shinanymore.
I am so totally playing as apirate.

Defango (33:21):
Oh, you were gonna wait till the shield thing now?
No.
You need a train now,

Gene (33:26):
Uh, I dunno, there's a whole lot to train.
I'm gonna be flying in, um, youknow, a ship with decent guns
and just blowing up everybodythat's around me.

Defango (33:37):
I mean, that's kind of lame,

Gene (33:40):
I mean, you know, I haven't done that.
So I figured that'd be a funthing to try for a.

Defango (33:45):
but Yeah, you could do that, I guess, if you wanted to.

Gene (33:48):
Yeah, I mean, it's just, I, it, it's been a long time
since I've, like, spawned,camped anybody, so I figured it
might be fun to do it in thisgame for a little bit,

Defango (33:57):
Oh yeah.
It is fun.
I mean,

Gene (33:59):
just kind of sit, sit outside of the, uh, the bubble,
the security bubble of thestations and just start picking
people off,

Defango (34:08):
Uh, why don't you just stay in the security bubble
station?

Gene (34:12):
well, well, yeah.
I

Defango (34:14):
is to dodge all of the missiles and

Gene (34:17):
yeah.
The problem is that you won'thave shields either, so the
station guns are gonna be a lotmore painful.
You can't take a little hit likeyou used to.

Defango (34:27):
Watch me,

Gene (34:29):
Oh, yeah.
Okay.
All right.
All that's fine.

Defango (34:32):
dude.
You know how this game works.
Okay?
Like, they haven't updated thoseguns pretty much ever.
And just them changing the,they're gonna change the
freaking fly mechanics.
They're not gonna touch thosethings.

Gene (34:46):
Yeah, maybe.
Maybe.
We'll see.
I'm just saying even thoughrandom hit with

Defango (34:49):
I my practice used to be flying around the station
with the shields off.

Gene (34:55):
mm-hmm.

Defango (34:56):
And then when people would come up, I would turn the
shields on and then let myshields charge up slow, not
putting in power into'em, andthen go, you know, fight people
that's like, you know, you gottado these things to get yourself
more in tune with, you know,fighting.
Cuz half the time that you'regonna be fighting anyway, you're
not gonna have shields.
Especially if you're coming upwith somebody that doesn't miss,

(35:16):
which there are guys out therethat

Gene (35:18):
Well, if you fight, if you fight in like the, um, uh, the,
uh, the hell's the ship I'mthinking of, uh, starts with a
G.
The G Gladi.
Yeah.
Yeah.
If you fly with the gladius, itliterally takes two seconds for
your shields to come.
So if your shields get takendown two seconds later, you hit

(35:40):
full shields.
So, so a lot of, a lot of that pv P players over the last few
years, a lot of their gameplayis basically, uh, shoot, shoot,
shoot evasive for two seconds toget your shields back and then
shoot, shoot, shoot after thatagain.

(36:01):
Um, I, I have not, maybe theyexist.
I, I'm not saying they don't,but I, I've not single seen a
single video of somebody fromlike, um, what's that guy's
name?
Uh, rogue One or whatever.
Uh, that guy's group,

Defango (36:17):
Avenger one

Gene (36:18):
Avenger one do a video where they, where they fly

Defango (36:21):
the greatest flyers ever.

Gene (36:23):
Yeah.
That is like the best flyer inthe game.
Right.
Uh, and I'm, I'm saying, I'msaying that facetiously, I'm
saying that facetiously,goddammit.
Uh, but I've never seen a videothat he or any of his folks in
that.
Group have put out wherethey're, they're turn their
shields off and then go fighteach other.
And they don't do that becausethose fights would not last very

(36:45):
long.

Defango (36:46):
Yeah, no, no, no.
And then, you know, like their,their, uh, auto aimes and shit
like that would really

Gene (36:51):
Yeah.
They still leave honor.
Amen.
Yeah, exactly.

Defango (36:55):
you know, it was funny though, Avenger one actually had
something where he was accusingsomebody of cheating.

Gene (37:00):
mm,

Defango (37:01):
He was like, this guy was doing moves that like, were
not possible and all this othershit.
And I'm just kind of likewatching the whole thing.
Like is he serious right now?

Gene (37:10):
Yeah.
Well, first of all, if you watchhis setup, he rarely flies
decoupled.

Defango (37:17):
Yeah, he's always coupled

Gene (37:19):
which is like, what the fuck?
I fly decoupled all the timeexcept for landing.
Landing.
I turn coupling back on for easy

Defango (37:25):
That's why I can blow you up so easily

Gene (37:28):
Why?
Because I fly decoupled.

Defango (37:30):
decoupled.
Yeah.

Gene (37:31):
Yeah.
Decoupled way better.
Um, and then, and then,

Defango (37:36):
experience, I guess.
I mean,

Gene (37:38):
Well, yeah, it's

Defango (37:39):
if you, if I have to actually go decouple to fight
you, I will respect you.
I will respect you slightlymore,

Gene (37:47):
Yeah.

Defango (37:47):
I'm gonna be more annoyed that I actually had to
go to decouple to, to, just so Icould defeat your cheese.
That's basically it.

Gene (37:56):
Well, I usually fly backwards, so I can't do it.

Defango (37:59):
Your cheese,

Gene (38:01):
It's, no, it's proper.
It's called proper battlesimulation.

Defango (38:06):
queso.
You wouldn't be flying fuckingbackwards in World War ii.
Get outta here.

Gene (38:11):
I don't play World War ii.
I play at Space

Defango (38:14):
I fly.
No, you're flying in World WarII space game

Gene (38:16):
Uhhuh.

Defango (38:16):
backwards.
That's why I say,

Gene (38:18):
trying to be more

Defango (38:19):
seen guys that do that all the time and you know, like
it, it's so easy to defeat thatif you, if you go, if they're
going decoupled and they'regoing backwards, all I have to
do is corkscrew and they twistup a twist down and you're
probably never gonna be able tohit me cuz you're gonna be going
in a straight line and I'm justgoing to be moving up and

Gene (38:37):
well you see, I don't go in a straight line when I'm
decoupled.
I'm always

Defango (38:40):
is just, you're just never gonna be able to hit that
pip

Gene (38:43):
Yeah.
Well, and that's the other thingthat he does that I don't do and
you know, I'm not as greatobviously a, a PVP as he is, but
it's just stupid.
Is he, he has the, the auto aimpips on full max and I have them
unturned off because I want my,uh, shots flying to where I'm

(39:03):
shooting, not to where thecomputer thinks you're gonna be.
And that's another way that itseems like people that have that
pip auto crap turned down seemto miss a lot more shots because
if you do corkscrew and it'sjust a simple corkscrew,
nothing.
The, the computer that's aimingyour pips cannot predict what

(39:26):
you're doing and you're gonnamiss a lot more than if you turn
that off and you just use manualaiming with no bullshit PIP
automation.

Defango (39:36):
I mean, I use Lag Pips.
That's what I

Gene (39:38):
No, no, no.
That, that's fine.
I mean, the, that there, there'stwo settings in there.
One just shows you where the PIPshows up, uh, for targeting.
Uh, either, you know, le leader

Defango (39:48):
defaults lead.

Gene (39:50):
right?
Defaults lead.
Most good players put it on lag.
But aside from that, you havethe, the, uh, I forget what the,
the term in the game is, butit's basically, would you like
us to auto adjust where therounds actually go And most
people leave that on?
No, people Gene rally don't turnthat off.
And in fact, uh uh, when wat hisface showed his settings,

(40:14):
avenger one that was turned.
It's like, dude, you're makingit like more difficult to fight
people that are moving by doingthat, because the predictive
algorithm only works linearly,so you can't follow the
computer, can't follow acorkscrew, the computer can only
follow a linear

Defango (40:32):
the game.

Gene (40:35):
Sure.
I guess if you're, if you justwant to ignore where the PIP
tells you, that's fine too.
I just find it easier to justturn off.

Defango (40:43):
Yeah.
Well, I mean, most people justtry to turn it off.
I used to play games like that,but in Star Citizen with the,
the way that I feel like how itworks when you're flying and
like with the server tick, Ijust leave it on the lag because
it's just, I know that's wherethe bullets are gonna go no
matter

Gene (40:59):
Yeah.
You're so, you're just, man,your, your brain's compensating
for the game.
Fucking things up.

Defango (41:04):
Yeah.
For the game fucking things up.
So I know that if as long as mylag pip is within, you know,
like a couple of inches of theship, I can still get hits.
Right.
You know, like, and I'll alwaysget more hits than somebody
that's, you know, on a lead pipbecause they're shooting in
front of the target and I'm

Gene (41:22):
It's so stupid,

Defango (41:23):
behi.
I'm technically shooting behindit.
You know, behind it and to theside and because like in the
majority of the fights thatyou're taking, everybody's
turning, right?
Like everybody's trying to diefight right now, which is fine,

Gene (41:36):
And it's gonna get even more so with this new change
that's, that they're doing.
Cuz if they, you're gonna be inknife si at knife fight speeds
or you don't have shields.

Defango (41:47):
Yep.

Gene (41:48):
So that's what they're pushing for.
So I don't know, we'll see whatthat change comes out like.
I, I definitely want to trydoing something different.
I've done the mining, I've donethe, uh, uh, you know, the
grinding of the, uh, differentmissions I've done, the, the
dungeons, the, uh, what do youcall'em?
Uh, What are they called in thisgame?
The, uh, deep, deep bunkers.

(42:09):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Bunkers.
I've only done the, the thing onthe Orson once, and I guess
that's back to being live now,so I, I probably do that a few
more times.
Um,

Defango (42:20):
That's fun.
Sort of.
Yeah.
That's fun.
I like the going to do the.
Xeno threat, but not being apart of Xeno threat and being a
pirate and then just killingeveryone.

Gene (42:32):
everybody he's killing don't have everybody.
Yeah.
Yeah.

Defango (42:34):
not everybody, like I'll, I, I will not kill the
pirates.
I'll play the pirate side onthat mission and that's, that's
probably the best time that I'vehad.
Although it is very, it is verydifficult because as soon as you
run out of, you know, likeyou're down to like 10 flares or
you're running low on, you gottalike quarter of your tank and
hydrogen, you gotta get out ofthere and then that's when you

(42:58):
can usually, that's when you'llusually end up dying cuz people
will chase you down.

Gene (43:02):
Yeah.
Yeah.
And my frustration with the Xenothread is just the all you're
you're doing is you're flyingback and forth without quantum,
uh, around, you know, like 300kilometers from the station.
Like, oh, they're on this side.
Oh, they're on that side.
There's a lot of just waitingaround.

(43:23):
Um, and, uh, you know, but otherthan that, it's, it's, I enjoyed
it.
I, I played on the good guyside, obviously, but, um, it was
pretty interesting.
The only thing I did with, um,jump Town is just take my A two
out or, or a one, take my A oneout to have some practice and
targeting.

(43:44):
Um, probably do more of that.
And then especially when the,when the A two comes out, it'll
definitely.

Defango (43:52):
yeah, whenever I get my little bomber, I'll probably be
practicing on that, although Idon't have no idea when that
thing's gonna come out.

Gene (43:59):
Probably two years from now, I think it'll be pretty
quick.

Defango (44:03):
pretty quick probably.
I'm not too worried about it.

Gene (44:06):
yeah, two, two, years.
two years.
is pretty quick

Defango (44:10):
No, I've been having a nice time taking off of that
game and experiencing otherthings.
I mean, I'm just on Twitter cuzit's easier, whatever, and I'm
having so much fun just,

Gene (44:20):
creating big controversies around, uh, people that have a
shady pass, so that's always afun pastime.

Defango (44:27):
yeah.
Yeah, it's always a fun pasttime being that guy that brings
that old shit up.

Gene (44:31):
Yeah.
Well, and the thing that'sinteresting to me is when I
watch your video, uh, is, um,well two things.
One is, uh, that you, like, youhave history here.
You're not, you didn't just runacross Liza Blue, you're, you
actually.
Been around when she was aroundin multiple stages of her names.

Defango (44:56):
Mm-hmm.
Yeah, that's what a lot ofpeople seem to miss.

Gene (44:59):
said, yeah, yeah.
Well you don't really put it outthere right in the beginning.
Like they'd have to watch yourvideo to know that.
Um,

Defango (45:07):
Well, I mean, I mentioned it like in passing in
my thread too, where I'm like,yeah, I used to hang out with
her back in the day at thistime.
That's when I like met her andyeah, she was doing different
shit.
That was not exactly what she'stalking about now.

Gene (45:21):
And she was in Chicago you said, right?

Defango (45:24):
Yeah, she was in Chicago, well, technically from
a farm on the outskirts of, uh,Illinois, like close to, I
guess, Iowa.

Gene (45:33):
Okay.
Yeah, there was another, therewas a streamer chick that I
remember.
A buddy, well, a guy I workedwith, lived with a streamer
chick in 1999.
Um, that was also somebody blue,but clearly not this chick,
different city.
But, um, yeah, I rememberwatching some of those videos

(45:54):
and they're just so bizarrewatching this guy's girlfriend,
like being very, I don't know,just kind of suggestive I guess.
And, um, you know, working,working for the money as they
say.

Defango (46:12):
Ain't nothing wrong with working for your money if
you're shaking it.
You know what I'm saying?

Gene (46:16):
Well, You are

Defango (46:17):
know what I mean?

Gene (46:18):
but like, I knew this dude and he was,

Defango (46:20):
I know

Gene (46:21):
you know, he was this kind of conservative, not, not
necessarily politicallyconservative, just kind of very,
very accountant looking dudethat you would be like, you
would never think that hisgirlfriend is like an only fans
or the, the equivalent thereofback in the.

Defango (46:43):
Mm.

Gene (46:44):
It's one of those weird things when you find out, it was
like, holy shit.
It's kinda like the first timeyou, you ran across, uh,
somebody that has, uh, that did,uh, video on demand stuff.
And it's like she's putting hugebutt plugs in her ass and then
turns out that like she'sactually a, uh, uh, junior high

(47:05):
school teacher and, and a friendof yours kid goes to that
school.

Defango (47:11):
And then you're showing it to him so he can go get her
fired from her job or whatever.

Gene (47:15):
Well, that would never occur to me, but these days that
probably would happen.

Defango (47:20):
yeah.
That's what

Gene (47:20):
but you know, I don't even know that it's necessarily, uh,
I mean, what the hell are peoplethinking of do stuff?
It kind of guess goes back toJack Murphy for this
conversation.
It's like, what are you doingdoing that stuff and doing the
opposite.
If Jack Murphy was justconsistent, And he was like the

(47:41):
liberal dude on Tim, cast N hewould've never had a problem.
Am I right?

Defango (47:48):
Yeah.
I don't think he would've had aproblem.

Gene (47:50):
No.
He would've been like, oh, JackMurphy.
Yeah, you're the guy on onlyfans.
That's wild that you do this,but you know, tell us about
other stuff you're interestedin.
But that's not the image that hewas portraying on Tim.
And he was on there a lot.
And I, I definitely got a, Ididn't, I didn't like him from
the get go.
I thought he was a littlesmarmy, a little too, like I

(48:13):
know better.
And, uh, you know, who died andmade you God was my kind of take
on Jack Murphy.
So I never particularly likedhim.
I always thumbed down theepisodes that he was on.
Um, Eliza I only saw her once onTim, I guess she's been on a few
times, but I only saw her onceand I definitely got a similar
like, eh, something's not righthere.

(48:34):
Feeling.
And remember I like texted youthat same night when I saw her.
I was like, yeah, this chick is,there's something off about her.
Um, well, of course you didn'tcheck your freaking signal for
like a month after that, but,okay.

Defango (48:48):
Well, I mean, I never look at it.

Gene (48:50):
I, I, I know that now.
I didn't know that back then.

Defango (48:56):
I don't ever look at signal cause there's nobody ever
messages me honest, I thinkexcept for you.
But my, it's not in my scheduledor for some reason my not
notifications out pop up on my

Gene (49:07):
Are you on the iPhone or, uh,

Defango (49:09):
Yeah.
I put it, I think I didn't putit into the schedule or
something like that.
I gotta fix that.
I just need to delete everythingon my phone and start all

Gene (49:17):
because mine definitely pops up, so, but I know you can
turn

Defango (49:20):
are on them.
Grifts are not on Son.

Gene (49:23):
What do you mean?

Defango (49:24):
The third annual grift award show.

Gene (49:28):
I didn't know that was Zan or not on, or either

Defango (49:31):
on.
It's on right now.

Gene (49:33):
really on YouTube?

Defango (49:34):
girl, Eliza Blue, we got her to win in less than a
month.

Gene (49:37):
No way.

Defango (49:38):
Yep.

Gene (49:39):
That's awesome.
I, I did not know there was sucha thing.
Is the good tell, tell us aboutit.

Defango (49:45):
Yeah, the Grift Awards, it's, uh, put on by Hotep Jesus.
He's on YouTube and Twitter, andhe calls it the Griess.
This is the third time that he'shad it going on.
Last year, I believe Elizaactually presented an award and
this dude has had her on hisshow or whatever, and then I did
my thread.
And in, within the month, likesince the Britney Vente

(50:08):
situation really, which is lessthan just a few days, she was
not even nominated.
She went to number one, nuMeUno.

Gene (50:18):
That's awesome.
Yeah.
She, her refusal to ask evenbasic or answer even basic
questions on Tim when she was onwas not a good look.
And, you know, her whole thingis like, well, look, I, I've got
a settlement.
I can't talk about anything.
It's like, okay, well that'sfine.
Settle.

(50:38):
That's what she said.
No, I think she said, I've got asettlement so I can't talk about
anything.

Defango (50:42):
Oh

Gene (50:44):
Yeah.
Which is fine, but, but thendon't constantly be bringing it
up every five minutes thatyou're a fucking survivor.

Defango (50:52):
Yeah.
You can't

Gene (50:53):
You know?
It's like, dude, you, you're nota survivor.
You got paid for whateverhappened.
You don't wanna tell us whathappened.
Okay.
But this is something that you,yourself has said effectively.
You got paid for doing thatthing that you didn't think was
a good thing, cuz you took thesettlement.
That's what getting a settlementis.
It's being okay with gettingpaid to do it.

(51:18):
Not taking the settlement andfighting into court and exposing
the person.
That would be what somebody thatwas truly negatively affected
would.

Defango (51:27):
like, uh, Virginia Gore and the Jeffrey Epstein case.

Gene (51:31):
I'm sure there's plenty of people that, that genuinely were
trafficked by Epstein, but thereprobably were also some women
that, and I don't know if maybethere was boys too, but uh,
there's probably also some womenthat were perfectly happy taking
a settlement, and that's okay.
I like, I don't, I'm not gonnapoint a finger and, and called

(51:55):
somebody, you know, a, a a whoreor a slut or whatever.
If they took a settlement afteraccusing somebody of doing
something they didn't like,because that's, you know, I, in
fact, uh, I'll give you thisexample, Jeremy, on his show, on
a different topic, another onethat they, I think he's on the

(52:16):
wrong side of, where they weretalking about, um, Crowder and.
You know what Jeremy kind offorgot, disclosed until much
later is that he and Crowderactually have had a business
relationship for a while.
So of course he's gonna bestanding up for Crowder, but um,
he said, yeah, if somebody gaveme an offer 50 million, I'd

(52:38):
fucking take it.
I'm right there.
I'm, I'll do whatever they want.
So I appreciate, I appreciatehim being honest about that.
I think a lot of us that see 50million as actually big money,
which crowded does not, uh,would say, uh, yeah, yeah.
Uh, I can suspend my personalbeliefs for four years, walk
away with 50 million, and thenspend the rest of my life not

(53:01):
working and just doing shit thatI care about and including
talking about how like nobodyshould do what I just did cuz
it's a bad thing.
You know?
I mean, it's like, dude, onceyou walk away with the money you
get, it's, it's the sameargument for Joe Rogan.
Right.
I was very much disappointedthat Rogan took the deal.

(53:22):
From Spotify because it wasimmediately evident that they
didn't like some of his guestsand they didn't want them not
only to appear in the future,but they didn't want their past
appearances to be represented.

Defango (53:34):
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
And they took him down.

Gene (53:36):
and they took him down.
And then of course he was in aposition where he had to deny
all that.
It was like, oh, no, no, no.
It's just technicaldifficulties.
No, they're not censoringanybody.
Oh, really?
Where's Alex Jones?
Where, where are the interviewswith um, uh, Jordan Peterson?
Where, where is all that stuff?
Because it, it all got takendown.
So you're saying just randomtechnical difficulties ended up

(53:58):
removing the most controversialinterviews that you had.
Okay.
Sure thing buddy.
But, but what he

Defango (54:06):
would've been fine with crowded if taking the money, but
the way I look at it is thatit's a rich asshole fight.
I am not a rich asshole, so theycan all equally fuck themselves.

Gene (54:17):
Oh, it is a rich asshole fight and.
The thing that I didn't like,and like I'm not a huge fan of
Daily Wire.
I don't watch any of their showson a regular basis.
The, the one that I probablywatch the most, as stupid as it
is, is, uh, Brett Cooper, cuzshe's cute.

(54:38):
But

Defango (54:38):
why you watch Britney Venti too, right?

Gene (54:40):
that's the only reason I watch Britney Man team.
Yeah, of course.
Why would I not watch somebodywho's cute and entertaining?
That's like, I'm a guy, okay.
I'm a straight guy at that.
So yes, I watch chicks that arecute and entertaining.
I don't, I don't look at themfor philosophical de deep
discourse, you know, orpolitical opinions.

(55:00):
I, that's not where I'm gonna gofor the, for the heavy lifting.
But, um, but at the same time,I've sold multiple businesses
for other people.
I've lived in contract land forthe last 30 years.
It's literally a big part ofwhat I do for a living.
I write contracts and Inegotiate contracts, and, uh,

(55:23):
what was sent over was a totallynormal, perfectly acceptable,
initial low ball offer thatanybody that he was talking to
would've sent him.
It has plenty of things that Iwould disagree with or would not
want to take if that contractwas sent to me, but I would

(55:44):
never attack the guys that justgave me a 50 million offer and
then go after them or, or reallyget other people riled up to go
after them.
And especially not if, you know,we're kind of frenemies, right?
So we're in the same business.
We're trying to target the samepeople, and we're both against

(56:08):
the same groups of people.
Like we're, we're ethically andpolitically aligned, but we have
a disagreement about paymentterms.
That, like that to me is thetotal cock move.
Not K, but c C o c k cock, uh,move that in my opinion, he did,

(56:29):
is taking something that was anegotiation and then turning it
into a, um, you know,emotionally charged, uh, these
people need to be stopped, kindaargument.
And then what he, and what, whathe followed up with when he was

(56:52):
on Tim cast, which a lot ofpeople are like, oh yeah, no, he
explained everything on Timcast.
He didn't do shit.
First of all, he didn't answer asingle question.
Every one of his answers was aredirection to something else he
wanted to talk about.
Um, Tina asked him, well, nowpeople are saying that you got,
there was, you wanted moremoney, that it was about the

(57:12):
money.
You asked for more money.
Instead of saying, well, youknow, maybe even my, my agent
started talking.
But look, and then he goes aftersaying, look, he goes off on a
totally different topic,ignoring the original question
as though he just answered it,which he didn't.

Defango (57:26):
Yeah, he was just like going around every single

Gene (57:28):
Every single question.
It was all deflection.
And I, and he's passionate aboutit.
Great.
Congratulations.
You're passionate about makingmoney.
Good for you.
But it does not invalidate thepoints that Jeremy put up in
that 40 minute video that he didthat went all through the
contract.
I thought Jeremy was extremelyhonest and all his stuff.
He's like, look, this is what weput in.

(57:49):
We knew he'd ask for more.
That's why we lowballed it.
We wanted a lower startingpoint.
So we'd meet somewhere in themiddle where we could, a, we
could afford, and B, uh, where,you know, he like, we'd know
what of those things.
He was most interested and hadthe strongest feelings about
changing, and that's exactlywhat contract negotiation is.

(58:13):
You, you start low ball, notjust at the dollar amount, but
also at the most restrictions.
And the reason you start thereis because you don't know.
What does the person care moreabout?
They care more about the money.
They care more about havingcontrol of production.
They care more about theownership, the video content.
Which of those things has thegreatest value to that person

(58:35):
when they respond with a redline to your original proposal,
that's what you're gonna findout.
You're gonna find out all thosethings and then you can decide,
okay, well, given what they'recoming back with, is this still
a deal worth doing?
You know, I, I get sentcontracts for me on a regular
basis.

(58:55):
I have never signed a contract,well, let me, let me phrase this
properly.
Ever since I was older than 30years old, I have never signed a
contract that didn't havechanges.
Every contract I've gotten forthe last 20 plus years has come
in.
I've pointed out things that Ican't sign.
I can't sign this.

(59:16):
I disagree with that.
This needs to change.
That's not what we discussed.
Send'em back to the other side'slawyer.
There's some back and forth.
And usually after a few weeks ofthat back and forth, we go
through it.
We come up with a contract thatworks, works for them, works for
me, and it's not gonna be acontract that anybody else
signed because it's a customcontract that I insist on

(59:37):
creating, but they were okaydoing because they want my
involvement in whatever thething is.
That is normal.
That is standard.
And that's literally the thingthat Crowder is pretending is
bullshit and shouldn't exist.
And nobody should sign acontract like this.
And that company, our assholesare putting a contract like
this.
Crowder, you're an idiot.

(59:57):
You clearly have zero experiencein business, uh, to, to use the
overused term.
Stay in your lane.
You're, you're a comedian, befunny.
Don't be a business person.
You're not good at it.
So that's my take on it.
What's your take?

Defango (01:00:14):
My take on it is that he did a really big disservice
to himself in future contractnegotiations by taking the.
Basically what he did in everyshape of the word.
I mean, it's just kind of like,this is something that you
would've done to N B C to anactual big media company,

(01:00:35):
conglomerate, something likethat.
Doing this to the Daily Wire.
I mean, he might see it as beinglike a great way of, you know,
bringing himself into the limeline some way.
But essentially like thatcontract wasn't in bed with Big
Tech.
It's basic.
It's a, it was a basic contractthat anybody would have to sign
and he wasn't being charged.

(01:00:56):
It wasn't having to payanything.
I mean, they were just sayingthat, Hey, we're giving you X
amount of dollars and you'regonna have to pay your freaking
people out of the money thatwe're giving

Gene (01:01:05):
And he's the one,

Defango (01:01:07):
you know you're not gonna be getting extra money.

Gene (01:01:10):
he's the one that wanted his people, they wanted him,
they just wanted to get him andproduce him like they do for
literally every other personthat's under contract with him.
He is the one that pushed backon that and said, no, no, no,
no.
I am, I have a great team I workwith.
I want to have my team producingit.
Okay.

(01:01:30):
That's your choice, dude.
It's not gonna increase themoney we pay you.
Like if you wanna bring your ownteam and pay'em outta your own
pocket, God bless you, morepower to ya.
You're not gonna bring your ownteam and then tell us we have to
pay.
We have a team that we think isbetter, but you don't wanna use
our team.
You want to use your team.
If you wanna use your own team,you're gonna paying for that

(01:01:51):
team out of pocket.

Defango (01:01:53):
it's gonna come outta your contract.

Gene (01:01:55):
And, and, but everybody on the internet, if you read
comments, all these people areclueless about contracts.
They've never been in any kindof negotiations.
It's like, it's like fucking NPCland out there.
It's like no one's ever gonethrough this.
No one's had it explained to'emby lawyers.
No one's dealt with contracts.
They think a contract issomething that you either sign

(01:02:15):
or you don't sign and you don'thave anything.
No, everything's fuckingnegotiable.
And I'm, I'm, I guess Ishouldn't be surprised at how
many people don't understandthis, but they clearly don't
understand this because they,they're very much on the Crowder
side.
It's like, well, they shouldhave offered a better deal,
dude.
That's called negotiation

Defango (01:02:32):
Yeah, let's go negotiation.

Gene (01:02:33):
Have you ever been to like a tourist market in Mexico?

Defango (01:02:38):
Yeah.

Gene (01:02:38):
you buy the shit for the price they tell you it is Hell
no,

Defango (01:02:42):
most everybody haggles those people because they just
want to pay less.
You know?
They

Gene (01:02:46):
Hey, how much is that seashell?
Oh, that's a beautiful seashell.
That's$35.
$35 for a seashell.
I'll give you 10.
Oh shit.
I only have nine in my pocket.
I'll give you nine.

Defango (01:02:58):
and then they take it and

Gene (01:02:59):
They fucking take it cuz it's worth two bucks.

Defango (01:03:02):
Mm-hmm hmm.
Yeah.
It's because they found itsomewhere, wherever they wanted
to find it.
I understand

Gene (01:03:08):
Or they bought it from a kid that they paid two bucks to.
It's it like everything

Defango (01:03:12):
no, they didn't even pay that kid two bucks.
It was probably their kid thatfound it in the morning.

Gene (01:03:16):
Yeah, but E, either way.
I mean, my point

Defango (01:03:19):
I've been down there, dude, I've seen, I've been to
like Rocky Point, I've beenthrough Mexico City and a bunch
of other places and we used tolike, half of the ti reasons we
used to go down there was cuz wewere taking stuff that people
needed, you know, like clothesand, you

Gene (01:03:34):
like water.

Defango (01:03:35):
items that, that they actually could utilize down
there that they just simplycouldn't get or

Gene (01:03:41):
un uncontaminated water.

Defango (01:03:43):
now.
They wouldn't have a problemwith water.
At most of the places that Ihad, they just.
Yeah, most of'em actually hadthe purifiers or whatever, even
if it was kind of messed up, Ithink though that's cool.
I just look at this whole, likethat whole situation and I was
like, that's not where theculture is.
You know, temple might thinkthat this is the culture, this
is the moment that people wantedto see, but I mean really it

(01:04:05):
kind of just made Temple DailyWire and fricking crowder in my
eyes, just, they all look like abunch of clowns because they're
acting just like the corporatemedia in in a lot of different
ways and it's just not what wewanna see from these people.
And that's why I'm like kind oflaughing about the Eliza

(01:04:25):
situation to bring that back.
Because if you look at theseguys, these are all the same
ones that you know aren'tspeaking up.

Gene (01:04:32):
ones.
Mm-hmm.

Defango (01:04:34):
they're trying to protect whatever, you know,
grift, they got going, theyplanned this shit out.
You know, this isn't, you know,th this didn't happen in, over
the last

Gene (01:04:42):
Oh, it's just so random that,

Defango (01:04:44):
month out.

Gene (01:04:44):
um, Candace was on Tim Pool the next day after
Crowder's thing, and thenCrowder's on two days after
that.
That's just totally random.

Defango (01:04:52):
And then they set that up, like, yeah, it just got set
up in

Gene (01:04:56):
Mm-hmm.

Defango (01:04:56):
last three days.
You know, um, Crowder set that,or he created that web link a
month ago.

Gene (01:05:02):
Right.
And, and and it turns outJeremy's the one who had built
it for him, so it's like, it'sall super incestuous.
Everybody's fucking everybodyelse.

Defango (01:05:12):
They're all doing their little things together and you
know, they act like they, theyact like people like me don't
see, and you know, like, I trynot to like blow the cover, but
you know, like when I have theproducer, you know, Tim Katz's
producer, like messaging me,she's not messaging me to get me
on the show.
Okay.

Gene (01:05:31):
Well,

Defango (01:05:31):
messaging me to shut up or she's messaging me because,
you know, she's like, can youtry to get them to stop?
And I'm just like, I can't getthese people to stop.
Are you kidding me?
Like,

Gene (01:05:41):
dude, you should have said, of course.
I can just bring me on the show.

Defango (01:05:44):
yeah.
I was like, yeah, I'll get'em tostop.
You bring me on the show.
That'll shut'em all the fuck up.
But

Gene (01:05:48):
been

Defango (01:05:49):
don't even ask.
I

Gene (01:05:50):
I've been trying to get Adam on Tim cast for like three
years, and it's just, there'ssomething clearly that, no,
there's something there that,that just turns him off to
having Adam on, even though Heis been on Rogan five times now.

Defango (01:06:02):
Yeah, he's been on rugged five times now, but Tim
won't have Adam on for whateverreason.
And Adam's probably.
But the thing is, is Adam hasn'tdone anything crazy big that's
noteworthy in their space.
You know, it's gotta be somekind of big drama situation that
they wanna talk about in orderto get it going.
And I mean, to it, it's allmostly Cassandras.

(01:06:25):
She's the one that books prettymuch all the guests for

Gene (01:06:28):
Yeah, that was my impression as well.
Yeah.

Defango (01:06:30):
Well, I mean, that's a correct impression.

Gene (01:06:32):
I guess the, the interesting thing is that

Defango (01:06:36):
with the damn

Gene (01:06:36):
we, we did have a lot of reveals happen as a result of
this.
Like, for example, we found outhow much Tim cast made last
year, which was$9.8 million.

Defango (01:06:49):
It's a lot.

Gene (01:06:50):
that wouldn't have come out if this didn't happened.
Um, we also, uh, you know, wefound out how much Jeremy makes.
We found out how much Tim castwas offered by Daily Wire, which
again, would not have come outotherwise.
Um, and incidentally it was morethan 50 million, which made

(01:07:10):
Crowder's eyes kind of bulge alittle bit because I think he
assumed that he had the biggestoffer Anybody'd ever had from,
uh, daily Wire.
And it, as it turned out, evenTim had already refused an offer
bigger than that.
So, and I guarantee you the dealwith Jordan Peterson is in the
hundreds of millions, it is noteven 50 million, uh, that to get

(01:07:35):
him, they had to have spent real

Defango (01:07:36):
probably got like 10 million, dude.
Come

Gene (01:07:39):
Yeah.
It, it's, it, it's, uh, youknow, I think it put some things
into perspective.
It also, uh, made people say howmany people work for him.
Like Tim Cast has 30 people, waytoo many for what size he is.
Uh, Crowder has 30.

Defango (01:07:53):
Wait, wait, no.
Temple has 30 people.
He's got 30 of the most in thatpeople working

Gene (01:07:59):
cheap.
The one thing I will say is ofthose 30 people, the average
salary's probably 65,000, mostof'em are super

Defango (01:08:05):
most is Cassandra, and even then she's the one that
does, I feel like she does a lotof work and she gets like most
of the guests and set up, solike, but what are all the rest
of them doing?

Gene (01:08:16):
There's, I think there's a lot of, you know, hangers on
and.

Defango (01:08:20):
and Cast Castle and,

Gene (01:08:22):
Uh, yeah.
Cas Castle, which I can'tbelieve anybody watches.
I tried to watch that littleZoomer show.
They have pop culture crisis acouple of times.
It is painful.
It is.
It was on the level of likeYouTube videos of people that
have like 500 subscribers.

Defango (01:08:40):
mm.

Gene (01:08:40):
Wait, they, they have way more than that.
They have 50,000, but the, theconversation is on the level of
somebody that just started doingthat and is not particularly
good at it.

Defango (01:08:54):
Hmm.
This, oh yeah, I'm looking

Gene (01:08:57):
Girls Girl

Defango (01:08:58):
It's, yeah.
This's a girl and that one dude,

Gene (01:09:01):
Yeah, the Girl and the One Dude.
Exactly.
It's a, it's a zoomer

Defango (01:09:04):
know where they bought this fricking, I know where they
bought this fricking streamerthing from.
It's just a canned thing thatthey probably paid maybe 25 to
50 bucks for to get all of theassets, to put all of this
together.
And they're obviously justrunning this thing from O b s
dude,

Gene (01:09:23):
Yeah.
Yeah, of course.
They're totally

Defango (01:09:25):
just recording it from O

Gene (01:09:26):
mm-hmm.
Yeah.
But, you know,

Defango (01:09:29):
they got some nice, it looks like they have some, like,
you know, a decent setup.

Gene (01:09:33):
well, it's Tim's setup.
I mean, they're they're

Defango (01:09:36):
have 50,000.

Gene (01:09:37):
50,000 subs.
Yeah.
How many of those

Defango (01:09:40):
very many more.
Yeah, they're none

Gene (01:09:43):
The interaction is nothing.
The interaction is nothing on

Defango (01:09:46):
I got five K subs and I get sometimes as many views as
they do, which

Gene (01:09:50):
Right.
Exactly.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I, I think, all right.
You, you ready for some feedbackon you?

Defango (01:09:59):
Well, you're

Gene (01:09:59):
would you like me

Defango (01:10:00):
feedback.
I don't want any feedback.
I

Gene (01:10:01):
you like me to wait?

Defango (01:10:03):
on purpose.
There's a reason that I have thebest worst show is because it is
the best one.
That is the worst.
You know, I do everything wrongand I do everything horrible
just to piss people off.
The only thing I ever even worryabout is the audio, and it's
still a game to me to just mutethe microphone and just keep

(01:10:26):
talking and like just fuck withpeople.
You know?
Like

Gene (01:10:30):
Okay, we'll check that one off the list

Defango (01:10:32):
Okay, so gimme your, gimme your feedback so I can not
apply it to the

Gene (01:10:35):
Okay.
Okay.
First, first.
I watched one of your episodesfrom like four years ago.
Four or five something,something like that.
You gained some weight, dude.

Defango (01:10:45):
Yeah, it's cuz I've just been doing nothing,

Gene (01:10:47):
Yeah, I know.
Same here.
I did as well.
Um, so I'm, I'm on the Januaryweight loss kick.
Um, that would probably be agood thing for you as well, just
saying.

Defango (01:10:56):
I'm always the same.
I've weighed the same amount.
I weighed the same amount that Iweighed

Gene (01:11:00):
Well your lens must have gotten more wide

Defango (01:11:02):
a different camera.

Gene (01:11:03):
cuz you

Defango (01:11:04):
just, I have a hd, I have a HD camera now as opposed
to like this piece of shit.

Gene (01:11:09):
may maybe go back to the old school Um, no.
All kidding aside, I mean, I, Ithink for all of us, it's
probably better to lose a littleweight.
Um, so the, the other thing is,I, I feel like whenever I've had
you on and whenever, even whenwe've just talked, you know,
without even being recordingright.

(01:11:30):
Um, like you're a lot morecoherent, when I, when I watch
you on the show, it kind offeels like sometimes you lose
track of what the hell you'retalking about.

Defango (01:11:44):
Yeah, sometimes, you know, if

Gene (01:11:46):
Is that real or is that a put on?

Defango (01:11:48):
no, that's usually real.
It's all live.
So, you know, like there's puton, uh, you know, I have

Gene (01:11:56):
Well, I don't know if you're acting a character.

Defango (01:11:58):
but it's not a character.
It's just me doing my show.
So it's just like, some peopleare like, is he like fucking
acting or whatever, and I'mlike, no, I just say crazy shit
sometimes or whatever.
Just relax.
Like, or when I talk about thedeath stuff, you know, be like,
yeah, I've done a couple oftimes.
It's not a big deal.
Most people, you know, theywanna know more about that and I
just gloss over it cuz it's notimportant,

Gene (01:12:18):
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
I mean,

Defango (01:12:20):
you gotta, you gotta leave little tidbits for people
to like, you know, eventuallycome back and pick up.
Right?

Gene (01:12:27):
well, you do, but that's the thing is like, I would love
to have you get an audience thatis a lot more representative of
the quality of the informationyou put out there,

Defango (01:12:37):
Yeah, that's what I want to, I wish I could get some
people to make some donations.
I mean, I know I actually haveto ask for'em like a whore, but
I refuse to do that cuz orwhatever.
I'm

Gene (01:12:48):
I, think, I think part of

Defango (01:12:50):
links back in there though.

Gene (01:12:52):
yeah, links.
Links are good, but I think partof it too is just, you know,
it's a numbers game.
Like if you can double your.
Viewership, you'll probablydouble your donations almost
automatically.
So getting, getting more folksto actually tune in because the
thing you do is you do thisregularly enough, like I've

(01:13:12):
tried four, maybe five times nowof like getting out and putting
out regular content on eitherYouTube or Twitch.
And inevitably I can't, lastpast a month, I just get bored
with this shit.
I'm like, ah, I don't wannastream, I just wanna play a
little video game and be done.
And like, not have to talk, nothave to interact.

(01:13:33):
I just wanna focus on thegoddamn game and not think about
it.
Um, you know, doing podcasts tome is very different cuz it's a
much more discreet amount oftime and uh, it's, um, it gets
pushed out there to thesubscribers automatically.
Like, they may not listen Iguess, but, but I, I'm not
competing for their time.

(01:13:54):
Like I would be with a livestream, you know what I mean?

Defango (01:13:59):
Yeah, makes sense.

Gene (01:14:00):
So, I don't know.
I mean, look, it's your, it'syour show, obviously.
I just, I watch you whenever Iget an opportunity to, and I
would love to see those numbersgoing up instead of staying
static for you, because I thinkyou've got good stuff there.

Defango (01:14:18):
well, even, hopefully all this new attentions will,
uh, will help that along itsway.
I finally went up like, you knowwhat, 300 subscribers?
That's pretty good.

Gene (01:14:28):
Well, I've been like, I, all these people that we've been
talking about, you know,Britney, uh, quartering, like
I've been leaving messages onwith him on a regular basis.
Like, you get, you gotta checkout Def Fango, you see more of
his content.
This is, you know, just tip outthe iceberg.
Like, I'm trying to promote thehell are you, ma'am?

Defango (01:14:45):
Yeah, well, it's, I mean, I try to promote the hell
out of me too.
It's just, I do really longstuff sometimes, so some of
these bigger channels, theyhaven't got the time to go, you
know, like sift through it.
So I have to get back to makingsmaller videos.
I'm just

Gene (01:14:58):
I think that's the thing is I think that if you just
started chopping up some of yourlive streams into the

Defango (01:15:05):
to hire somebody to

Gene (01:15:06):
Yeah, yeah.
Get a, get, maybe get an editor,but chop'em up into the, the u
YouTube, what are they called?
YouTube clips or YouTube, uh,you know the stuff that's in the
vertical format, the stuffthat's in the format

Defango (01:15:17):
Maybe the universe will bring me somebody that can
actually do that shit for me forfree.
That'd be great.

Gene (01:15:22):
Well, nothing happens for free there.
You always pay for it one way oranother.

Defango (01:15:26):
That's not true.
I do shit for free all the time.
I'm about ready to get some freeshit done for me.
I need some free shit done.

Gene (01:15:34):
free shit done for you.
Well,

Defango (01:15:35):
Yeah.
I did this whole Eliza Bluething for free,

Gene (01:15:39):
Well, you did it

Defango (01:15:40):
people tell me that I couldn't do QAN on.
They're like, yeah, you wouldnever be able to do something
like QAN on you.
You can't make anything goviral.
Suck it.

Gene (01:15:50):
Yeah.
That, that was good.
No, that was very

Defango (01:15:52):
Yeah.
That's pretty good, huh?
Yeah.

Gene (01:15:54):
but what, how did you get Britney to repost your stuff?

Defango (01:16:00):
A girl notice shares her secrets.

Gene (01:16:02):
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.

Defango (01:16:04):
Actually, I didn't get her to do it.
It was everyone else that gother to do it.

Gene (01:16:08):
Yeah.
So that's, that's the, the trickis you, you need to like
mobilize the people that doenjoy what you're putting out
there

Defango (01:16:18):
Mm-hmm.
Well, I mean, that's what we'vedone on, you know, Twitter
basically, you know, like I'vebeen using Twitter to put out
stuff and I've done a bunch ofthreads that have, you know,
like taken some people down somenotches.
They went from having hundredsof thousands of people to having
10,000 people.
Now they're only having like athousand people, which to me is

(01:16:39):
pretty successful that, youknow, the, this is how much
they're getting.
Put off on their speaking pointsand it's just like, I got, you
gotta keep doing it cuz it'slike, dude, you're listening to
a guy that literally scam peoplefor, you know, hundreds of
thousands of dollars.
Oh my God, that you're followingthis person and this is what
they used to do.
So let, I think that's where Ithink I've always basically been

(01:17:03):
shining because I've always beenable to just dig up stuff and I
don't really care about puttingit out there.
And then the worst part is, isthat, oh, you want, you wanna
look into somebody's history.
I'm the first guy that will giveyou, you know, a thread with all
of my shit on it and be alllike, so you know, there's it
all, you know, like, you know,here you go.
I expect you to find at leastall of this stuff you can find.

(01:17:24):
Anything else, you just let meknow.
Okay.

Gene (01:17:26):
Yeah.
Yeah.
And, um, so if somebody islooking for that, go ahead and
mention all your, your, uh,accounts.

Defango (01:17:37):
Well, you could definitely find me on YouTube
and Twitch at Mer or ManuelDago.
Manuel Dago.
That's where you could find me.
Or you could find me on Twitchat Dago.
Same with DLI and Rumble.
I think I just use Manuel Degoon YouTube at uh, Twitter
because Dago got banned.

Gene (01:17:56):
Oh, Dago got banned.

Defango (01:17:57):
I always come back to life.
See, like I come back to life inreal life and online.

Gene (01:18:02):
I thought you changed your YouTube name from Dago to
something else.

Defango (01:18:06):
No, they deleted my account and then I had a second
account called Merlin Dego thatI've been just cha, I changed
the name to Kang Pirate for likea really long time just to like,
you know, just in case, youknow.
And then as after YouTube seemedlike it was getting all right, I
slowly snuck it back in there orwhatever.
And then, you know, things havebeen all right.

(01:18:26):
I've been getting some strikes,you know, they obviously know
it's me.
They obviously know everythingand they're letting it slide, so
I just let it, you know, I justtry to be pc, you know, as PC as
I can be.
I mean, I still cuss like asailor and shit, but that's
neither here nor there.
I'm

Gene (01:18:44):
to me, the, the best response to the new YouTube
rules where you, you shouldn'tcuss in the first, what is it?
Eight seconds of the video,something like that.
The best response was, uh, from,uh, Linus Techs, you know,
alliances.

Defango (01:19:01):
of course.

Gene (01:19:02):
Okay.
One of the biggest tech

Defango (01:19:04):
doesn't know where that

Gene (01:19:05):
There's

Defango (01:19:06):
you?
What it what?
Are you kidding me,

Gene (01:19:08):
kind of schmaltzy, but yeah, he's entertaining.
But the best response I saw fromhim on the first video after
that came out, his video startsoff with the first eight
seconds.
Basically being a tone and a oldschool.
There is, uh, no signal on thebroadcast tv.

(01:19:28):
it's like that little, littlesquare box with, you know, some
texts and shit.
But it, it's the signal that youwould typically see between
satellite broadcasts, betweensomething and something else
began if you're old enough.
And, and he did that for thefirst eight seconds of the show
and he says, all right, now wegot that shit outta the way, I

(01:19:49):
was like, okay.
That is fucking a greatresponse.

Defango (01:19:54):
Yeah, I don't, that's why I just play a music video
for like the first three minutesof my show.
It's funny too, cuz everybodyasked me, they're like, did you
make that?
And I'm like, fuck no.
I stole that from somebody.

Gene (01:20:04):
Oh, you did?
I didn't know that.
I thought you were creative andshit.

Defango (01:20:07):
No, what, like, what you thought I could make that
fucking

Gene (01:20:10):
I don't know.
I thought, well, that's prettyimpressive that he made that.
At

Defango (01:20:13):
No, I didn't make that.
I fucking, the, there's a storybehind it.
This is a funny story, but Iwas, um, I was at a music
festival and I was, uh,partaking in some of the DMTs
and uh, I was at the specificfestival and I had just invented
something with some of myfriends.
Maybe we didn't invent it, butwe'd had discovered it, which is

(01:20:36):
that we were able to create a DM T that was capable out of a
vape pen basically.
So the same kind of pen you'dsmoke like, you know, cannabis
out of, you could smoke d m Tout of.
So it was really nice so wecould like walk around and, you
know, Give it to people so thatthey could take off.
But I met one guy, his, his namewas Globe, the guy that actually

(01:20:58):
created the song and the, youknow, like he had another friend
of his like, actually make thevideo or whatever.
But, you know, we sat and he wassaying that he wanted to
experience, you know, something,he wanted to experience that.
So like, I sat him down, youknow, he sat in my lap, you
know, we did a little ceremonyor whatever so that he could
take off.
And then he was

Gene (01:21:17):
He sat in your lap.

Defango (01:21:19):
yeah, I sat down on your lap.
You know, you gotta lay down.
There's a whole thing to it.
There really is.
You know, they lay down, but youknow, they gotta like, lay in
your lap.
You gotta minister it to them,and then you gotta watch them.
So, you know, like if anythingweird goes on, you wanna be
close though, you know, you, youwanna be next to him.

Gene (01:21:38):
I, I've never done it.
I got close to doing anAyahuasca thing, but, um, the
guy that I was gonna do it withdied, so I ended up not doing
it.

Defango (01:21:49):
Well, that, well this guy, he basically was like,
after that we got friends and hewas just like, yeah, dude, if
you wanna use my music for yourshow or whatever.

Gene (01:21:56):
Mm-hmm.

Defango (01:21:57):
So, you know, like he gave me a

Gene (01:21:58):
Oh, that's cool.
Nice.

Defango (01:22:01):
I picked what I wanted.

Gene (01:22:02):
That's very cool.
No, I, I, I had that kind ofthing happen with Moby, so I, I
got free use of, uh, one of histracks.

Defango (01:22:10):
See, that's dope.
That's dope.
See I was using it for, I, forthe longest time I was using
tracks by Flaming Osis onYouTube.
But he went, her, he finallygot, you know, like a real, uh,
contract.
So can't really use them like Iused to Anymore.

Gene (01:22:27):
Hmm.
Yeah,

Defango (01:22:29):
stuff though.
Yeah.

Gene (01:22:31):
there, there's, uh, on the one hand there's like so much
good music out there that youcan't really use.
But on the other hand, there'salso so much new good stuff
coming out all the time as well.

Defango (01:22:45):
Mm-hmm.

Gene (01:22:45):
So, I don't know the, the other, just jumping back to, uh,
Crowder for one sec.
The other thing that wasinteresting that we got from him
that I didn't know about was hetalked about his de, what did he
call it?
Like, basically being minimizedon YouTube and not promoted cuz
he wasn't, uh, making money onit.

(01:23:07):
Um, you know, because theyweren't running ads for him.
They weren't paying him, butalso they weren't promoting him
so people wouldn't get himshowing up in recommendations,
which is probably true.
But the way they tested it isthat when he used clips in his

(01:23:28):
videos that were owned bysomebody else and they got hit
with a, um, uh, copyrightstrike, uh, as soon as that
happens, then the ads get turnedon because the money is not
going to him, it's goingsomewhere else.
And when the ads get turned ondue to a copyright strike, they

(01:23:51):
promote the video.
And so his videos that hadcopyright strikes typically had
eight times the engagement.
Isn't that wild?

Defango (01:24:04):
That is wild.

Gene (01:24:06):
So there was a test.
He didn't, they said he did itfour times just to be sure that
it, it is working this way.
Is that, you know, he'd have a,a week worth of videos that all
performed roughly the same way.
And then he'd have one videowhere he used music or he had a
clip of something that he knewwas gonna end up getting that
video.
Copyright's stricken and itdoes.
And then that video ends updoing eight times better in

(01:24:29):
viewership.
And then he doesn't have thatfor the next few videos and
they're back down to his normallevel.
So what that tells him, which Ithink is probably correct, is
that uh, if your channelsdemonetize, whether it's
temporary or permanent, then theodds of somebody randomly
getting you as a recommendation,even if your content is very

(01:24:52):
similar to somebody else, isvirtually zero.
Like they'd have to literally godo a search for you specifically
to get your channel and thenbecome a subscriber before they
would get any that your videosat all popping up in their feed.
But when your videos arepromoting something, or whether
you're not demonetized, um, thenthey have some incentive to

(01:25:16):
promote you as well.
that was interesting.
That was another thing that cameoutta this whole kerfuffle that,
uh, I didn't realize washappening.

Defango (01:25:26):
Yeah, it happens a lot.
I mean, that kind of shit'shappened to me.
That's why I train not to playanything, copyright it or
anything on my shows anymore,

Gene (01:25:34):
But that's my point, is maybe you

Defango (01:25:35):
to get up.

Gene (01:25:37):
maybe you should, because that would get you more reach
and it would get your, your, uh,because you'd lose the, the
pathetic funds that you'remaking.
Okay, let's just be real.
They're pathetic.
You would lose that for thatvideo.
But if you trade that in foryour video getting promoted more
randomly, isn't that worth it?

Defango (01:25:57):
Yeah, it is worth it.

Gene (01:25:59):
And then you get to play copyrighted music.
And who, and not care.

Defango (01:26:02):
I just have to usually worry about, um, what's actually
happening with my, not therevenue itself.
I just have to worry aboutstrikes.
So, you know, I'll probably trythat once I start losing
strikes.

Gene (01:26:14):
But I don't know, man, every time I've ever.
Every time I've gotten a, uh,copyright strike, it's always
been music, and they've nevercared.
All they do is they

Defango (01:26:22):
community guidelines, strikes,

Gene (01:26:25):
Right, right.
But that's, but I, that's what Imean.
I don't like if you have acommittee guideline strike,
there's a difference betweenthat and a copyright strike for
using music.

Defango (01:26:33):
Correct.
But, you know, I don't

Gene (01:26:36):
you just don't wanna risk it, is what you're saying.

Defango (01:26:38):
Yeah.
I didn't wanna risk it.
I'm not risking anything untilmy

Gene (01:26:43):
90 days is up.
Yeah.

Defango (01:26:44):
Yeah.
Which is March on the last one.

Gene (01:26:47):
Okay.
Yeah.
But definitely try itafterwards.
Like try just putting in someblatantly commercial music that
is, you know, available.
They'll, they'll give you thatstrike.
There's no penalty.
They'll just take the funds fromthat, the, the video, and then
see if it does the same thingthat Crowder's talking about,
which is, it's actuallyincreasing the reach of the

(01:27:08):
video.
And if it does, I think franklythat's, that's a.
That's such a good way to getYouTube to promote you.
And all you lose is the littlebit of revenue, which is
probably well worth it.

Defango (01:27:22):
I definitely like it.
Well, that's a very interestingthing to try out for sure.

Gene (01:27:26):
Yeah, yeah.
Like that'd be, that'd be cool.
Um, so, and I don't have achannel anymore that is
monetized, uh, not becauseYouTube did anything, but
because my number of subscriberswent below a thousand.
Um, so I used to have a, um, youknow, gaming channel that was
monetized back in the day, andthen I had another channel that

(01:27:48):
was monetized.
And then, uh, I just, every timeI try something different, I
start a new channel.
And when I started the lastgaming channel, I didn't do it
in the same channel I used torun it in before, so those subs
dropped down to like 800.
Uh, and then the new channelsnever gotten over a thousand.
So I like, I don't even worry.
I literally don't lose anythingif they give me a copyright

(01:28:11):
strike for music, cuz I wouldn'thave been getting any revenue
anyway.

Defango (01:28:15):
Yeah, I didn't have to worry about that, but for a
while there they were putting usdown for even having anything
like that.
So I just try to,

Gene (01:28:23):
Yeah.
Well, and this is all the, like,the conversations I have on a
podcast I would never do onYouTube, because, you know, I'd
probably be banned fuckingYouTube.
Um, because we're talking likeduring Covid, we were talking
about the Covid lie, you know,there right now with the whole,
uh, Ukraine situation talkingabout all the blatant propaganda

(01:28:45):
and lies coming from the US andwhat's actually happening there.
So all these topics are verbotenon YouTube.
Um, so, which is why I, I didtry with one of my podcast
co-hosts, do a locals showbasically a, a show just for,
um, supporters and, uh, Yeah, Ithink we did like six episodes

(01:29:09):
and it was just like, yeah, thatit's probably not worth spending
time on just for the handful ofpeople that actually send money
in.
So we, we stopped doing it.
Um, but I don't know, I, I just,YouTube is definitely not the
place for political shows in myopinion.

Defango (01:29:26):
Not anymore.

Gene (01:29:27):
No.
Yeah.
It used to be.
You're absolutely right.
But these days I think the onlyway that that really works is,
and I, I don't like this format,but I think it's the only thing
it's working is like a lot ofpeople are doing, you start your
show on YouTube and um, uh,what's the other one?
The, uh, goddammit, what's theother second most popular site

(01:29:52):
after YouTube?
You know the one I'm talkingabout Rumble.
So you start your show, you do'em on both Rumble and.
And then like an hour or a halfhour into the YouTube one.
You just tell your people.
All right.
And then the rest of the topicwe're gonna talk about, I can't
talk about on YouTube, so if youwant to continue watching, flip
it over to Rumble and then sothat way you're still using

(01:30:14):
YouTube essentially to promoteyour Rumble show.

Defango (01:30:20):
Yeah, I've seen a lot of people do that, but that's
definitely

Gene (01:30:22):
I don't like it from a user standpoint, but I
completely understand whythey're, they're doing it.

Defango (01:30:29):
Yeah, I get why they think that it's a good idea, but
essentially it's really not.

Gene (01:30:33):
Yeah.

Defango (01:30:34):
Cuz you can get in trouble on YouTube for doing
that.
It's against the t os,

Gene (01:30:39):
What's being on a different channel.

Defango (01:30:42):
um, using your YouTube channel to like send people over
to another one.
They got mad.
They get mad about that.

Gene (01:30:50):
Yeah.
Well, We'll see.
Plenty of people are doing it.
I mean, I think the alternativefor some people is just, they,
they literally would not theywouldn't do a show on YouTube.
Um, cuz even like Tim Cast, youknow, I, I'm a member of his
donators club or whatever, andso I get all the, uh, after

(01:31:12):
hours content, uh, which is justfor donators.
And a lot of times that's themost interesting stuff because
it's the stuff they can't do onYouTube.

Defango (01:31:26):
I dunno.
Everybody has a different, youknow, operation.
I just try to stick to the waythat I'm doing mine cuz right
now it seems to be working.
I'm actually getting growth.
So, you know, I don't wannascrew anything up

Gene (01:31:37):
All right.

Defango (01:31:38):
my strikes come off.
And then once the strikes comeoff, I might try to do some
different stuff.
But right now I'm just trying tostick to live streams and doing
shorts because that's whatYouTube wants you to do.

Gene (01:31:48):
Yeah.
Shorts.
That's what it was.
I forgot what they were callingthem.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So, and that's the thing is I,I've also seen plenty of other
people doing this, includingJeremy, um, is, uh, chopping up
your actual live content intoshort

Defango (01:32:02):
Yeah, I just don't have anybody to do that for me.
I don't have time.

Gene (01:32:07):
Yeah,

Defango (01:32:07):
It takes a lot of work, man.

Gene (01:32:09):
yeah.

Defango (01:32:10):
know, like you have to have employees.
I don't have employees.
I don't even have enough moneyto pay for myself.
So it's like you can only dowhat you can do.
Like I have enough time in theday to.
work and then make the minusculeamount of content that I like
put out.
You know, today I don't evenhave any time to put anything
out cuz I already gotta get backto work.

Gene (01:32:30):
Right, right.
Well, hopefully, uh, you know,you, you, you keep the teapot
boiling here and more people endup finding out about you and,
uh, Signing up and inevitablyleading to more donations coming
in.

Defango (01:32:46):
Yeah, yeah.
Maybe, but you know, that wouldrequire, that would require me
actually, you know, trying toask for that.
But, you know, I'd rather justwork so

Gene (01:32:55):
I, I know, I know.

Defango (01:32:56):
I tried that a long time ago and then, you know,
YouTube canceled me or whateverand, and you know, now I'm like,
Nope, you always have to have ajob.
And you know, like that's justbasically it, you know,
eventually maybe I'll get to bethe size of Jeremy or you know,
some of

Gene (01:33:12):
Well, I, I would love to come on your show, uh, when you
get bigger to promote myself.

Defango (01:33:18):
Yeah, that's what most people wanna go on.
And, you know, I don't even likepromote myself when I, I even
like promote myself when I go onto other people's shows.
Although it has been weirdgetting invited onto some of
these, like, bigger platformshows and I'm just kind of like,
uh, you really don't want tohave me on your show right now.

Gene (01:33:38):
I dunno.

Defango (01:33:39):
I'm all like, have you read the thread on me?
And they're like, no.
And I'm like, well read thisthread.
And then, you know, like, tellme that you wanna me to be on
your show.
Okay.
Because this is all the thingsthat people are gonna say about
me that could get you in tr ofthat, you know, could get you
canceled or

Gene (01:33:54):
my God.
Who gives a shit drama, getsviews.

Defango (01:33:58):
Yeah.
Maybe sometimes.

Gene (01:34:00):
Uh, usually that's the default.
I'm not saying it's good, but itdoes get the views.
It's um, uh, there aredefinitely trends that pop up on
YouTube and, and even on Twitchof things that work because they
work even if they have nothingto do with what your content

(01:34:22):
actually is.
You know, like, you know,somebody playing chess while
sitting in a hot tub, what thefuck?

Defango (01:34:31):
Yeah.
That's more, sounds more likeTwitch.

Gene (01:34:33):
Yeah, that's definitely Twitch.
But there, there is there.
Different types of trends and,and the stuff that I've heard
about the YouTube shirts,shirts, shorts, is, um, people
are blown away at how well thosework to get you a bigger
audience.

Defango (01:34:53):
Yeah.
That's why I'm flowing, focusingon those as opposed to just
doing live streams because muchharder to get in trouble doing a
short than it is doing a livestream.

Gene (01:35:03):
yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
Well, and another thing is, youknow, it's nobody says your live
stream has to be that long.
You could do shorter livestreams as well.

Defango (01:35:14):
True.
That's what I've been trying todo.
But sometimes, you know, just toget it all out, you gotta go
through, I'm always cuttingcontent for my streams because I
have a lot of stuff that I wantto talk about,

Gene (01:35:24):
Really?
Oh, I didn't get thatimpression.

Defango (01:35:26):
less.
So, you know, like I still don'teven talk about half the links
that I do, or I need to half thetime because, and then I'm
always censoring links thatpeople are sending me.
You know, like they send me allkinds of, like, there's
sometimes that people send mejust nothing but Covid links and
I'm just like, I can't fuckingdo covid content.

(01:35:47):
Stop sending me fucking covid

Gene (01:35:50):
Well, and it's Like, what else do we need to hear about
Covid at this point?
I think most of the, yeah.
It's like everybody knows whatwe were saying from the get-go,
turned out to be exactly true,so,

Defango (01:36:04):
I was like, you guys, I was looking, I was like, guys,
we got banned from YouTube forusing the government's data on a
daily basis and going over overit for you.
That's why we got banned.
I was like, every time I'vegotten a strike, it's because of
Covid and you guys keep onasking me to do more Covid
content.
And I'm just like, are youfucking, you guys are fucking

(01:36:25):
retarded sometimes.
That's why I'm not nice topeople, you know?
I'm like, Jesus Christ, man.
I'm like, fucking think aboutit.
I'm like, yo, you all need tofucking think about this shit.
At least a little bit like youguys, I don't understand, you
know?
Like, I don't know.
For me, my show's always gonnabe the, I think for the next
couple of months it's alwaysjust gonna be whenever I can,

(01:36:47):
cuz I have to focus on working,you know?
Like I keep bringing that upbecause, Like, I gotta get out
there and go, I ain't gonna beable to pay my fucking rent.
You know, like, I gotta worryabout that shit.
That's something that I'mconstantly having to worry about
and I think that a lot of peopledon't forget that, you know, I
can't sit on YouTube all daylong anymore.
Or your

Gene (01:37:05):
What you mean?
You, you, you didn't take youroffer from Daily Wire.
It's

Defango (01:37:09):
yeah, I, I don't got an offer from anybody, you know, I
have contracts that I gottafulfill or whatever, and when I
don't, I gotta get out thereand, you know, work, you know,
like right now I gotta get outthere and go work.

Gene (01:37:22):
Well, you know, maybe if you, uh, if you get, get a few
interviews done with some.
YouTubers and you can go talk toDaily Wire, get your offer.

Defango (01:37:33):
Yeah.
Maybe.
I don't think so.
I've, I'm pretty sure

Gene (01:37:36):
you do, can you do five ads

Defango (01:37:38):
directly to Jeremy.
Yeah.
I'm pretty sure I've talkedenough shit to Jeremy.
Boring that, uh, I'm pretty surehe's not gonna want to have me
around.

Gene (01:37:46):
maybe.
Maybe Well, hey, you can alwaysgo talk to Crowder

Defango (01:37:52):
I've talked enough shit about Crowder too, and

Gene (01:37:54):
his company

Defango (01:37:55):
I've talked enough shit about all of these people, even
Jeremy from the Quartering, thatI was surprised that I even
ended up on his show.
Like even if it was for, youknow, like 10 seconds and he
said my name.
I was very surprised.
I

Gene (01:38:08):
He said in a couple different

Defango (01:38:10):
I was like, holy shit bro.
Wait, I didn't hear that.
Nobody told me any that.
I watched all of them.
I didn't hear my fucking name.
I heard it one time.

Gene (01:38:17):
Really?
No, it was twice.
I told you about one of'em forsure, but no, he mentioned it
twice.
Once when he was on withBritney.
Uh, and then once

Defango (01:38:26):
wasn't on his show.
That was on Britney's show.

Gene (01:38:29):
They were both streaming at the same time.

Defango (01:38:31):
Oh, I didn't realize that.

Gene (01:38:32):
Yeah.
Uh, and then one son just, uh,his usual, one of his five a day
recordings.
He's very

Defango (01:38:41):
for me.

Gene (01:38:43):
No, it is, it is good.
And, uh, I mean, again, I wouldjust love to have you actually
in conversation with thosefolks, not just be a ten second
mention.
So,

Defango (01:38:55):
makes sense.

Gene (01:38:56):
anyway, well, um, I gotta wrap things up here.
I, I don't want to cut you offtoo short, but, uh, I do have to
get going and, uh, make a coupleof more, uh, recordings of shit
that I don't get paid for.
So,

Defango (01:39:11):
That's how it goes, man.
That's what being a contentcreator is.
You make a bunch of shits forrecording that you hope you're
gonna get paid for.

Gene (01:39:18):
I don't,

Defango (01:39:19):
It's like being an artist except for artists.
They make art and then they hopethey're gonna get paid for

Gene (01:39:24):
They, they do.
Um, and I, dude, I got paid somuch more for the art that I've
done than for podcasting.
But, but that's another story.
Um, but either way, uh, it wasfun having you on.
I always enjoy chatting with youand I pop in and, and watch you
sometimes not live.
Whenever I get an opportunitybetween, you know, all the other

(01:39:45):
people I watched, like Tim Castand, uh, Brittany, but

Defango (01:39:49):
try to do my show around them.
I used to do my show in thatslot, so now I just don't even,
I'm just like, well, nevermind.
But, so it just sucks for me cuznow I have to either get, I only
really have from three to 5:00PM to do stuff every day.
So it's like if I can't fit itwithin that time, you know, it's

(01:40:11):
like I don't get off of workusually till like 11 or 12.
Like I'm already late right now.
But, um, I usually have to, youknow, like I could probably do
it at night.
It's just that, you know, it'sharder, it's much harder to get
lots of people out,

Gene (01:40:24):
Yeah.

Defango (01:40:25):
uh, at nighttime, you know, like I did have like a
pretty sizable star citizenaudience, you know, I was like
up to like 50 people orwhatever, but

Gene (01:40:34):
dude, everybody that I I, I've done with, uh, star
Citizen, like, I've been doingstuff with Grumpy, grumpy Eye.
Uh, so I've been in a bunch ofhis videos, um, for Star Citizen
because I have the same opinion,uh, as him about all the UPS in
that game.
Um, but there again, and he'slike, yeah, you know, I'll,
I'll, I'll promote your channel.

(01:40:55):
And I'm like, dude, I just don'tmake content regularly enough to
worry about it.
I'm, you know, I'm too focusedon doing my, my podcasting to
really do anything on YouTubewith any regularity.
It might be

Defango (01:41:07):
You don't have to do anything in YouTube for later.
You just have to upload yourfucking podcast to YouTube.

Gene (01:41:12):
Uh, did totally different

Defango (01:41:14):
it, and then you just let it

Gene (01:41:17):
I told you my podcast is politics.
It can't, I can't do that onYouTube because literally like
two thirds of the show would getme banned.
So podcasting

Defango (01:41:28):
banned, and then tell everybody you got banned off
YouTube.
It'd be great.

Gene (01:41:32):
no,

Defango (01:41:33):
You'll become popular.

Gene (01:41:34):
I, I already got banned off of, uh, Facebook and back in
the day off of, um, uh, Twitter.
Um, and I never got my accountback.
I actually just created a newaccount on Twitter, uh, which
I'm okay with.
I mean, I don't need my oldaccount back, but it's, um, I
find that podcasting is the bestformat for me, just given the,

(01:41:57):
the political and verypolarizing nature of a lot of my
content.
Like I can't be de platformedoff of this.

Defango (01:42:11):
Yeah, for now.

Gene (01:42:13):
Well, I mean, I, I know the guy who runs the network, so
I'm pretty good, pretty good fornow.
I'd really have to say somethingto, uh, piss him off.

Defango (01:42:24):
Yeah.
I don't think

Gene (01:42:25):
Uh, and, and the infrastructure is all
distributed and run in multiplecountries and none of it in the
us so there's very little chanceof, of that de platforming.
Um, and I, and I don't thinkanybody in Iceland listens to my
podcast, so no one's gonna knowwhat the hell they're hosting.

Defango (01:42:45):
That's funny.

Gene (01:42:47):
Yep.
All right, dude.
Well, I gotta run here, butagain, appreciate you and, uh,
by all means, uh, if, if youwant me to pop in at some point,
happy to do that as well.
Um, otherwise, I'll just keepwatching you.

Defango (01:42:59):
Yeah, definitely.
I'll probably have you on theshow here, coming up here pretty
soon.
I just have to, you know, likeright now I'm still waiting for
strikes to fall off before Iactually start pushing into
content.
Like super hard.
I've been super selective onwhat I've been even talking
about lately because

Gene (01:43:13):
I hear

Defango (01:43:14):
little bit of time, but you know, right now I'm just,
you know, working a lot.
So it's like I'm not really, youknow, I was doing this thing
online and it's been really fun,but it's been actually taking up
time that I should be doingother things.

Gene (01:43:29):
Yeah, and it's not hard for to get to that.
You get in that loop and thenyou're stuck in it.

Defango (01:43:35):
Yep.
That's totally, sure, that'stotally true.

Gene (01:43:39):
Yep.

Defango (01:43:39):
Well, thanks for having me on, brother, and uh,
appreciate you and then I'lldefinitely see you again on the
next one, my friend.

Gene (01:43:45):
All right.
Take care.

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