0099 Sir Gene Speaks with Dude Named Scott

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Gene (00:00):
This is sir Gene and joining me today is a dude named
Scott.
Scout tell the folks a littlebit about yourself.

Scott (00:07):
Well, I'm doing great.
Thanks for having me on Gene.
So I'm a 58 year old guy andwhen I was 50 I got this
epiphany of is this all that'sleft I've, I've, I've always
been, what I call a ham andegger.
I've always gone to work.
I, I raised my kids, I bought ahouse, I put money back.

(00:30):
I did everything that a boomeris supposed to do.
And then when I turned 50, I waslike, I need more in my life.
So I actually was really intopodcasts.
I listened to mark Maron'spodcast and I listened to some
NPR podcast and I thought, Whatwould a local podcast look like?

(00:53):
And so I searched out localpodcasts and a lot of the major
cities had'em.
And I was in South Bend, Indianaat the time, and my city didn't
have it.
And South Bend is like rightacross the border from Michigan,
so they call that area missa.
And I wanted to talk to folks inIndiana and Michigan and my

(01:17):
area.
And so I started what was calledthe Missa People Podcast.
And I would go to them, theywould come to me.
I built a little studio, myhouse and all that.
And I really got into justtalking to people who own
businesses, talking to people inpolitics, talking to artists,

(01:38):
musicians, just anybody who Ithought had some value that
could be highlighted on theshow.
And I did that for.
I think, I think I did that forabout three years, and I started
that about seven years ago.
During that time, I was stilllooking for more.
I was, I was having fun with thepodcast, it wasn't a hit, it

(02:01):
wasn't something that's gonnaclimb the Apple charts or
anything like that, but peoplelistened to it.
I got good feedback and I got tomeet a lot of really great
people.
I made friends through it, whichwas really the thing I needed to
do.
I needed to reach out and get myfriend list bigger.
And that did happen.
I still keep in contact with alot of the folks I talked to,

(02:23):
but I was still looking formore.
And when I was 52, I starteddoing standup comedy and

Gene (02:31):
know, It's interesting, I, I've heard a number of folks
deciding to do that later inlife.

Scott (02:37):
yeah, it's

Gene (02:38):
cuz I'm getting Yeah, it seems like it because maybe it's
just cuz I'm getting older andmy friends are all getting
older.
But it sure seems like peoplethat didn't really talk about
any interest in doing standupall of a sudden taking standup
classes or, getting a lot moreinterested in going out there
and doing it.
Which I, I find interesting cuzto me it always seemed like

(02:58):
standup's a young man's game.

Scott (03:00):
Yeah.
And, and it really is because,coming up in South Benmore it
was at the time, it was prettymuch 20 somethings, a couple 30
somethings, and then me

Gene (03:13):
Mm-hmm.

Scott (03:14):
And there was one older dude that came from, and I think
he was a few years older thanme, that came from a little bit
east and would come to some ofthe open mics I went to.
But other than that, I waspretty much the grandpa of the,
of the comedy community there.
And the, the, the way I gotstarted was actually pretty
funny because they I, I had, I'min the IT field myself as a

(03:39):
consultant and I had been withthe same

Gene (03:41):
So, so is everybody else that listens.

Scott (03:44):
Yeah, I know Alright.

Gene (03:45):
it sure seems like that's the biggest demographic.

Scott (03:49):
You know what it, people do listen to podcasts and they
listen to a wide variety.
We're geeks and we're geeks in alot of different areas,

Gene (03:59):
Yeah.

Scott (04:00):
But yeah, I I had worked at the same place for 17 years
and I've always been a dry,sarcastic dude and I would kinda
liven

Gene (04:09):
Wait, wait.
A dry sarcastic IT guy?
No.

Scott (04:13):
but an IT guy that can actually communicate.
So that's, sometimes you don'tget that with it

Gene (04:19):
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.

Scott (04:21):
but I, so I'd been there for, I, I think at the time it
was 15 years I worked there, atotal of 18 and they they did a
company party every year, and itwas a holiday party, but it was,
they always had it in likeJanuary after the holidays.
And I never went, I, I never hada desire to go to that

(04:43):
particular party because I sawthe people I worked with enough
and it just wasn't, wasn'tsomething I needed to do.
So the guy who was doing the,the entertainment, they had
gotten a magician like threeyears in a row.
So he comes to me and he says, Iwant you to do standup for the

(05:03):
company party.
And my answer was a very quick,no, I'm not a standup.
And I forgot about it.
Then he came to me again andsaid, I really want you to do
it.
And I said, no, again.
He came to me again, and finallyI went home and told my wife, I
said, man, Michael's justbugging the crap out of me to do

(05:25):
a standup for the company party.
And she said, well, you want todo it, so just do it.
So I did it and I really enjoyedit.
And really my standup was prettymuch just roasting my coworkers
and, and that's easy to do,especially when you've been
working with him for years andit went over well.
Everything, everything was fine.
I was not, I would not considermyself a standup comedian, at

(05:49):
that point, but I got the itchand started.
There's only in South Bend therewas only like one or two open
mics that you could go to on aweekly basis.
And I found them and startedgoing to him and really made a
lot of really great connectionswith young people pretty quickly
and didn't get really good atstandup for a long time.

(06:12):
But I went to the Mikes madefriends, kept working on my act
and just.
Did it as a hobby more thananything and just kept going at
it.
And then finally I got goodenough at it that people were
asking me to be on shows, onshowcases and things like that.
And then long story short, afriend of mine had a really nice

(06:34):
rock, rock and roll bar.
He had like the best soundsystem I've ever seen, and he
had Thursday nights open.
So I asked if I could do showson Thursday nights, and I did
either a showcase or I'd bring aheadliner in from Chicago or a
local headliner and put on ashow.
And that went over pretty good.

(06:55):
During that time I was trying toget better at standup

Gene (07:01):
Mm-hmm.

Scott (07:02):
of course, listening to all the podcasts I listened to,
I looked for standup podcastsand I found some that were
pretty good and.
I found some that were prettybad.
As, as there's a ton of badpodcasts out there, but I f I
found some podcasts that wereokay, but none of them had

(07:23):
exactly what I wanted.
And I'm, I'm a guy that doesn'tget into small talk or inside
jokes or just three guys sittingaround shooting, shooting bull,
that kind of stuff.
It, it, it doesn't really appealto me.
If you're talking about aspecific subject and you deep
dive into it, that's what getsme.

(07:44):
And so, because there wasn'tanything out there, and I had
been doing the Missa Peoplepodcast, I said, okay, let's,
let's start a podcast that Iwould wanna listen to.
And I am, I, I'm kind of a, areal knee jerk type guy, so, And
a lot of people who startpodcasts are like that.
They say, okay, let's start apodcast.

(08:05):
And tomorrow they start their,they do their first episode.
I this I wanted, I wanted it tobe good.
I wanted it to be special.
I wanted to make sure it wasfulfilling everything that I
wanted it to do.
So I really spent about a yearresearching and putting together
what I wanted my podcast to bebefore I even.

Gene (08:26):
Oh, wow.

Scott (08:27):
and putting that kind of work into it.
I, I, I lined up the guests Iwanted to have when I went on to
launch it.
I had my artwork ready, I had amission statement.
My mission statement's verysimple.
The podcast is called Behind theBits, and the mission statement
is Serious Comedy Talk reallyeasy.
But it took me a long time toget to that.

(08:49):
And in getting to it, I reallyfelt like I had something good
to, to bring out.
I wasn't, I didn't have anyexpectations other than, ho
hopefully learning about comedymyself, recording it and having
other people learn at the sametime.
So I launched it.
I don't know.
And, and I, I know that you'renot I, I know that you're not a

(09:13):
20 year old, but I don't know ifyou're in my age range, but I
don't know if you remember TomDreesen.

Gene (09:20):
No, I don't.

Scott (09:21):
Okay, so he was he, he came up at, at the comedy store
in the seventies with folkslike, Letterman and Leno and all
those folks, and was really,really good.
He, he came from Harvey,Illinois, suburb of Chicago and
was really a very popularcomedian.
You'd see him on Mike Douglas,Diana Shore, John.

(09:43):
He did Johnny Carson like 30times.
He did a Letterman like 35 or 40times, but was really good.
And he was one of those guysthat.
You would think should have hada sitcom because he, he, he he
was a good looking guy.
He, he really had great stagepresence and all that, but he
got hooked up with Frank Sinatrathrough Sammy Davis, Jr.

(10:07):
In the, I, I think it wastowards the end, or like middle
of Sinatra's career in theeighties, and actually worked as
Sinatra's out opener for about14 years.
And during that time, he got allkinds of great offers for
sitcoms.
He did a talk show for a shortperiod of time.
Just all kinds of great stuffhappened to him.

(10:28):
But he really liked working forSinatra.
He d he didn't wanna be thatsitcom guy, and so he just kept
doing that.
And that was pretty much what hedid.
And, and he's still a standup.
He's 83 now, 84.
And he still does standup and hedoes a show where he goes around
and talks about his years withFrank Sinatra.

(10:51):
So this guy's kind of my comedyhero and I got him as my first
guest.

Gene (10:56):
Okay.

Scott (10:56):
And it was really, it was really one of those things that
started everything off on theright foot for me.
I know that not everybody knowswho Tom Dreesen is because he
chose not to get in thelimelight.
Like his hi, his, one of hisbest friends is David Letterman,
so he decided not to be that.
But he's one of the best comedywriters in the world.

(11:18):
Can, can work a hundred percentclean.
Is, he's, he, he's like anall-American.
Comedian and I just, I justloved what he did, and he came
on the show and I wanted to makesure that I was talking to
comedians from all walks of lifeat all points in their career.

(11:38):
So I talked to some of the oldfolks from the comedy store.
I talked to new comedians thatwere just starting to get like
feature gigs or headlining gigsand everything rolled in and did
really, really well that firstyear.
Now, my listeners were

Gene (11:55):
many episodes did you end up doing?

Scott (11:57):
In the first year, I, I did every week.
So I d and I, there was a coupleextra, I did like a Covid
episode that I threw in there.
So probably 53, 54 episode.

Gene (12:08):
Okay, well that's pretty good.
They say the magic number forpodcasts is about 50, is if, if
you can get past 50, you'reprobably gonna keep doing it for
quite a while, becausestatistically, like 90% of
podcasts never make it to 50.

Scott (12:23):
Yeah, it's and really 82% don't make it past seven

Gene (12:30):
I believe that.
Yeah.
There, there is a lot of the,the, nice try sort of podcasts
out there.

Scott (12:35):
yeah, yeah.
And, and I think it's mostlylack of planning and, and folks
really don't know, first of allwhat it takes.
I mean, you do three podcastsand you know what it takes to
put the work behind it.
So you're gonna talk to me for awhile, and the work you have to
put behind it is a lot more thanthe work that you're putting in

(12:56):
now.

Gene (12:58):
Yeah, well, I, I try to automate as much as possible and
and make it as painless aspossible after the, the fact.
But yeah, I am, I'm definitelyone of those guys to the chagrin
of some of my friends thatdoesn't think the podcast is
ready until there'spost-production.
A lot of people like to just hitthe record button and then be
done.

(13:18):
There's very few people.
There are some, but there's veryfew people that can do that and,
and have it sound great.
But typically there are peoplethat came over from radio and
doing live from the get-go.
And so they have a differentsense of, what it, what it means
to get everything just perfectwhen it's live.
The vast majority of peopledoing podcasts can't do that,

(13:40):
but yet they never learn thepost.

Scott (13:43):
Exactly levels and getting, getting rid of dead air
and all that kind of stuff.
Did, did I read, did I read Genethat you used script?

Gene (13:54):
I do.

Scott (13:55):
So I, when I found script, it was like, like that
eureka moment,

Gene (14:01):
Mm-hmm.

Scott (14:02):
I mean, I, I absolutely love the fact that you can pop
it in there, get the transcript,delete from the transcript,
transcript, just like a Worddocument and do, do studio sound
for my guest who had a crappymicrophone.
And it's just really fantasticwhat you can do with it.

Gene (14:22):
Yeah.
It's a, it's a really goodproduct.
It's not cheap because you're,you're basically paying a
monthly fee that comes close towhat I pay for Adobe.
But it is for the time beinganyway, somewhat unique.
Now, Adobe does have a beta oftheir podcast product that is
very, very similar.

(14:42):
It does the Texas speech.
You can edit the audio using thetext portion of it and it's
going to allow you to do livestreaming as well.
So once that goes into fullproduction, it's part of the
full Adobe package.
I think the script's gonna havea hard time holding on to the
number of subscribers they dobecause it's, it's gonna be
essentially a freebie.

(15:03):
If you're already subscribed toAdobe, you're gonna get that
product as a free add-on.
But for right now it's not quitethere.
The beta does the basicfunctionality, but Descript
still has a lot more features.
And I, I've got a link to scriptin, in all of my uh,
Descriptions the podcast, theinfo section of the podcast so

(15:23):
people can click on it, go checkit out.
But I've done podcasts.
I think my first one I did in2006 or seven.
And I've, so I've done a bunchof'em over the years and I don't
think I could do three podcasts.
I actually do a much stuff onYouTube as well, but I don't

(15:45):
think I could do three podcastsright now if it wasn't for
products like the script,because in the old days I still
did post, but I did it manuallyby listening to the podcast
slowly and then removing wordsat a time, removing dead space,
doing everything in additionthat needs to get done to clean

(16:06):
it.
But that process would typicallybe two to three times longer
than the recording portion.
With the script, I find it'scloser to one-to-one, and if
it's the same person, like it'sa podcast with the same co-host,
then I, I might be done in halfan hour.
It might go really fast.

Scott (16:25):
yeah.
I've, I, my experience has beenexactly the same.
It was, it was two to threehours for every hour of
recording, just going through,manually backing up.
And, and it was, it was awful.
And with the script, it's, it,it depends on how bad the person
sounded on the other end.
Cuz sometimes you need to run itthrough a few different things

(16:49):
and check the equalizer, dodifferent equalizer settings to
get them to sound even somewhatgood.
But the fact that you can justgo through, remove filler words
and do all, all the stuff that Iwas doing manually, just really,
and it's got some great videofeatures too, cuz I've done some
promo videos and you can do thesame thing.

(17:10):
And the nice thing is, is Inever get it right the first
time.
I can just keep rolling and justtake out what I don't want.

Gene (17:18):
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
I think my, my only realcomplaint about script is that
they, they give you a certainamount of time for the
transcription, and I've hadmultiple instances where I've
loaded something in, it startstranscribing, and then like 10
minutes later I realize I, it'sthe wrong thing, or I had the

(17:41):
wrong voice or something,

Scott (17:43):
Yeah.

Gene (17:44):
and then it's like, oh, well you're ready.
Use a half your transcriptiontime for this month.
I'm like, God, damnit.

Scott (17:49):
Yep.

Gene (17:50):
it, there are situations like that where I've, I've ended
up using up a good chunk oftranscription time for the month
by redoing a project rather thanhaving new projects.
And the other thing about it isI have noticed when you do, when
you do tracks, like I typicallyrecord my track and then the
other person on separate tracks,and then that way you've got

(18:13):
isolation for for cleanup.
But, but doing that descriptdoubles the amount of time that
it sucks up from your pool oftime for transcription because
they, they basically use thattime up.
And I, I can't remember how manyhours, it's like, I think I have
40 hours a month or somethingthat I get, but I typically use

(18:33):
it all up.
But it's when you have twotracks, even though only one is
speaking at a time, An hour longrecording is two hours that it
pulls out of your, your totalpool of time for transcription
because it processes each ofyour tracks individually.
Whereas if you just, do more ofan amateurish job, you dump it

(18:54):
all in one track, you stick itinto script, then it'll do, its
best to analyze who's speakingbased on the way the voice
sounds, and then does a verygood job, but it's actually
doing a more complicated job cuzit has to recognize stuff, but
it's only charging you for theone hour.

Scott (19:09):
right?

Gene (19:09):
And I've, I've sent them emails about them.
Like, guys, this model is justlike, it discourages good audio

Scott (19:16):
Yeah.
Well, and and the other problemis, is I, I don't know if you
experienced this, but the lastfew months has just been buggy
as hell,

Gene (19:25):
Yeah.
They want two new version, whichis I don't, I never asked for
it.
I was fine with the way the oldversion worked.

Scott (19:32):
Yeah.
The old, the old storyboard.
But they did they put a fix out,I think it was this week, and I
know I've, I've edited down Ithink three episodes since that,
and I haven't had any of theproblems I had previously.
So I think the bug fixes havehelped.

Gene (19:52):
Yeah.
And they do put'em out onprobably multiple times a month.
There.
Seems like there's an update allthe time for it.
So they are doing good workthere.
But I think they also realizethat they've got a limited
amount of time before Adobe isfully out in release.
And one that happens.
It's gonna be really hard forlike, they're gonna have to
either cut prices big time orgive you a lot more features.

Scott (20:14):
Yeah.
Yeah.
And I'm I'm on the annual plan,so I hope, I, I hope that they
keep, keep up and be at, atleast as good as they are until
Adobe gets their finishedproject product out.

Gene (20:30):
Yeah, well, I think they will be, but it's, it's gonna be
a question of can they retainenough subscribers to pay for
the infrastructure of theircompany once that happens,

Scott (20:40):
Right?

Gene (20:41):
I'm probably gonna move, I mean, I, I already pay for
Adobe.
That's why do I need another 60bucks a month on top of

Scott (20:46):
Right.
No doubt.

Gene (20:49):
So, but yeah, it's a good product.
I mean, I think it was, when itcame out, it was absolutely
revolutionary.
But, and even still, there'sreally nothing that does all of
what it does all in one package.

Scott (20:59):
Right, right.

Gene (21:01):
So

Scott (21:02):
Yeah.
Yeah.
The

Gene (21:03):
what other tools are you using?

Scott (21:05):
I, I'm sorry.

Gene (21:06):
What other tools are you using?

Scott (21:08):
So really, I dump, I dump a lot of stuff into Audacity for
a first time run through and,and that, that's fine.
If I feel like I'll, I'll do,I'll do the cheat thing.
If I feel like the person on theother end had pretty good sound
and I had pretty good sound,I'll just combine the tracks and

(21:29):
I will dump them into the scriptas one track so that

Gene (21:34):
do it that way.
Got

Scott (21:34):
eating up the time Yeah.

Gene (21:36):
Yeah.
Yeah.
And that's the thing is if they,if they didn't have that limited
amount of time, and I understandwhy they do it, but also I feel
like, well, at least you shoulddouble the amount of hours for
the standard pack.
Cuz I, I buy the, the biggersize package because of the
hours and if they like gave you40 hours for the standard

(21:59):
package that would be, I thinkI'd be a lot more inclined to,
to stand them or, recommend thema lot more.
And.
I don't know a lot.
It's true with a lot of thesepodcast things like, I don't
know we could talk to you aboutwhat, who you like in hosting.
And I've tried a lot of'em, andI, I know a lot of the, or at
least I've interviewed, let'sput it that way, a lot of the

(22:20):
CEOs of the hosting companiesbut the, the, they all seem to
have, I shouldn't say all, mostof them have a limit on the
number of hours of podcasts thatyou put out.

Scott (22:34):
Mm-hmm.

Gene (22:35):
And I just think that's, that's stupid.
Like it, the cost is so marginalfor them on whether you upload
10 hours a week, or sorry amonth, 10 hours a month, 20
hours a month, or 50 hours amonth.
Like there's virtually nodifference.
To the hosting company in termsof their cost for that

(22:56):
bandwidth.
It's, it, it's negligible, butyet that's how Muslims seem to
be.
Yeah, that's how they, Muslimseem to be pricing this stuff.
I would think a bigger cost isjust like holding on to all your
past episodes indefinitely.
Like that would be the biggercost, not the amount of hours
that you do per month.
Because the, there, there arecertainly people that just do

(23:18):
like an hour a week and thenfour hours a month is plenty of
time for them.
But they're already limiting youby the podcast.
So you're, you have, they'rebasically charging per RSS feed,

Scott (23:31):
Mm-hmm.

Gene (23:31):
but then they're also saying, well, but also don't add
more than 20 hours worth permonth on your Rs, or whatever
the number is for the

Scott (23:38):
Yeah.

Gene (23:39):
companies out there.
So again, there, I feel like,like that model isn't really
optimal because it.
It's, it puts a limit to wherethere's not much cost difference
for the company.

Scott (23:53):
Right.

Gene (23:53):
Who do you use?
Who do you typically work with?
For hosting?

Scott (23:56):
so like you, I've been through quite a few hosts.
I started with Libson,

Gene (24:03):
Mm-hmm.

Scott (24:03):
I did Pod Bean, I did Buzz Sprout, I did Spreaker, and
I have landed on Red Circle.

Gene (24:13):
Never heard of'em.

Scott (24:14):
Yeah, they are, they're a small company.
They, I mean, their market shareis super small, but it's got a
couple features that I like.
First off, they don't limit howmuch audio you put up

Gene (24:29):
Okay.
All right.
Good.

Scott (24:31):
and second, you pay one price for as many podcasts as
you wanna

Gene (24:35):
Really?
Wow.

Scott (24:36):
Yeah,

Gene (24:37):
Okay.

Scott (24:38):
whi, which is nice because I've got behind the
bits.
I just started your pod guy andI also host the podcast that I
produce for my workplace.
So I got three podcast, oneprice.

Gene (24:52):
Okay.
And then how do they compare?
As far as features?

Scott (24:55):
Features are pretty good.
They do have programmatic adsthat you can make a little money
with, and I think you just need500 downloads per episode,

Gene (25:04):
Mm-hmm.

Scott (25:04):
As an average.
They've got that.
They do bring in sponsors forlarger pre-roll, mid-roll ads.
I've been with them for a yearand I think I've done three of
those.
And it's usually a 30 dayengagement, four, four episodes,
and they pay, anywhere from.
I, I think my best was likeseven 50 and my worst was like

(25:27):
two 50.

Gene (25:29):
Mm-hmm.

Scott (25:29):
they've got that their their stats are pretty much like
everybody else's

Gene (25:35):
Mm-hmm.

Scott (25:35):
basic, basic demographics, where they listen
from.
You know what, what Podcastplayer.
They use, male or female, all,all that kind of stuff.
Their, their dynamic adinsertion is really one of my
favorites.
And the reason I like it is, sayI bring a sponsor on by myself

(25:56):
and I, I've done that quite afew times and I wanna run it for
a month.
One of the things I can say isnot only are you gonna get the
four episodes that you bought,but it's also gonna run on all
my previous episodes becausethat dynamic insertion is there
and I can just say, boom, run iton all 151 episodes.

(26:19):
And that's, that's a goodselling point and it's super
easy to

Gene (26:22):
Mm-hmm.

Scott (26:24):
It's

Gene (26:24):
and then when you're done with the month, then you'd take
it out and

Scott (26:28):
Yeah.
And then when, when it's alldone, I replace it with the next
one,

Gene (26:32):
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
Got it.
Okay.
And then, so the red circle, isthat like a reference to the
record button?

Scott (26:38):
I think it is.
Yeah.

Gene (26:40):
I was trying to figure that out.
It's like, where are theygetting that?

Scott (26:43):
Yeah.
I've never, they did have aweird outage.
It was about two or three monthsago where I think it was almost,
it was probably eight hours orso or so where I couldn't even
log in.
And I, I've experienced outageswith other hosts before, but
that is the only outage I'veever had with them.

Gene (27:03):
hmm.
Okay.
So we'll definitely, I'll haveto check'em out.
See how they compare.
I've been really happy with buzzSprouts for several years now.

Scott (27:12):
Mm-hmm.

Gene (27:13):
They've, they make the process very.
As, as quick and simple aspossible.
For me, especially with multiplepodcasts, it's really easy just
to switch between them.
But I am paying like 25 or 24,whatever it is, bucks per
podcast in there.

Scott (27:29):
Yeah, and I think I paid 35 for three.

Gene (27:34):
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah, that's uh, definitely apretty good deal.
Interesting.
And then have you, have youadded Podcasting 2.0 features?

Scott (27:45):
So you've mentioned that, and I don't even know what
podcasting 2.0 is.

Gene (27:50):
Yeah.
Yeah, we gotta fix that.
Well, so podcasting 2.0 and ifyou, if you go to, it might be
podcasting 2.0 as well, but ifyou go to podcast Index,

Scott (28:00):
Uhhuh

Gene (28:01):
Dot com, I believe, let me just type it in here myself, so
I'm, I'm telling you the correctone.
Then that will give you, oh,it's not podcasting, it's pod,
is it maybe.org.
Podcast index.org.
Let's try that.
Yep.
It is.org.
It is a, it's a nonprofit, sothat makes sense,

Scott (28:21):
I know I checked it out because you mentioned it when we
were talking and I checked itout and my podcast is there, so

Gene (28:27):
Mm-hmm.
Yeah, they, they typically willthey will add automatically
podcasts after a while from theother, like if you submit it to
Apple or Google or somebody butyou can also directly submit it
to them, but they als You canalso find out more about
Podcasting 2.0.
So podcasting 2.0 is actuallywas developed by the guy that

(28:50):
created podcasting in the firstplace.
Adam.
And, and obviously there'splenty of other people involved.
I don't wanna neglect anybodyelse, but he's kind of the, the
main headline guy.
And I dunno if you know thathistory of podcasting either,
but essentially Adam Curry andDave Weiner were the two guys
responsible for creating thestandard initially for

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podcasting.
And then Adam effectively gaveit to Steve Jobs or Steve Jobs
asked if it could be a part ofthe Apple software when the iPod
came out.
Not the iPhone, but the or maybeit was the iPhone.
I don't know.
I get this story wrong.
Adam's obviously the guy to tella full story on this, but.

(29:37):
Essentially the index that Adamput together was taken over by
Apple, and it's been in Applehands since Dent, but probably
about three years ago.
He got a little frustrated thefact that there's been zero
innovation from Apple, likethere, essentially just have a
much bigger version of the thingthat he had given to them and

(29:59):
have not done anything toinclude new features et cetera.
And it, and so he started thispodcasting 2.0 project, which is
the expansion of the podcastingRSS to include new new fields in
there to make podcasting moremodern.

(30:20):
And there's a whole bunch of newstuff that's in there.
And again, I wanna leave it tothe people that are actually
working at it to do its justice,but it includes things like you
can have.
A monetization of podcastsdirectly from the listeners if
you have a podcasting 2.0compatible app, which now I

(30:41):
think there's about 20 of themthat are podcasting 2.0
certified in the app store andso not the official Google one,
not the official Apple one, buta whole bunch on each of those
platforms.
And they utilize Bitcoin oractually Satoshi's, which are I
think one 10000000th of aBitcoin.

(31:02):
It's basically a smalldenomination.
And so it's, it's a, it's areasonable denomination to be
able to do small transactionsthen, cuz you're not gonna send
somebody, one 1000000th of aBitcoin like that.
That seems like a weirddenomination.
So Satoshi's is the standard andit's, it's a one-to-one mapping
with Bitcoin, it's not adifferent currency, it's

(31:24):
actually the same.
It's the same Bitcoin currency.
It's just using a differentserver for it.
And, and also it's done in realtime.
Whereas Bitcoin, I dunno if youdo Bitcoin stuff at all, but it
takes a little bit of time, likeanywhere from a few minutes to
half an hour for yourtransaction to actually go

(31:45):
through the blockchain.
So it, Bitcoin is not good forfast transactions.
But with these apps, forexample, you can load in, let's
say 10,000 Toshi, which is, Idon't, I don't know at this
point what that equates to.
Probably like 15 bucks orsomething,

Scott (32:03):
Mm-hmm.

Gene (32:04):
maybe less.
could be less.
And And then you can justspecify that for every minute of
listening to this podcast, forexample I wanna send them a
hundred, a hundred soshi perminute,

Scott (32:18):
Ah,

Gene (32:19):
which would be, I don't know, 3 cents or something,
whatever.
Maybe more than that.
Again, don't ignore the mathguys, cuz the cost of satoshis
changes constantly.
Depending.
When you're hearing this, youmay be either laughing because
it's too low or laughing becauseit's too high, but either way
you're like, you're totally off.
Yes, I know I'm off.
But the bottom line is it's away to enable listeners directly

(32:41):
to pay for the podcast directlyto the creator and bypass the
need for advertising or anythinglike that.

Scott (32:51):
Hmm.

Gene (32:51):
And Adam's podcast, which is one of the longest running
podcasts ever, I think in the14th year or something like that
has been.
Using what he described as avalue for value model, which is,
it's always free and it's alwaysad free.
But the idea is that if you likeit, send the donation in.

Scott (33:14):
Mm-hmm.

Gene (33:16):
And he has managed to grow that as a concept just using
PayPal initially and then addingmore different ways to do it.
And I think a lot of people arereally appreciating not having
advertising.
And so a lot more people arewilling to contribute
financially directly.
If you have a podcast, itdoesn't include advertising.
And so with podcasting 2.0,you're now able to do that

(33:39):
without having to take the timeto go to PayPal, put in their
email and decide how much youwanna send, all that stuff.
That takes time and effortsimply by saying, yes.
Whenever I listen.
And only for the minutes that Ilisten, there will be a donation
sent automatically in Bitcoin.
So it's a, it's a cool concept,and that's just one of the new

(34:01):
features.
There's a whole bunch of otherfeatures that are part of the
standard as well.
But like transcriptions built intranscriptions, multiple images
so that you can, if you havemultiple chapters in your
podcast,

Scott (34:13):
I haven't chaptered, I, I haven't done chaptering yet.

Gene (34:17):
so yeah, if you do that not only can you add chapters,
but you can also you, like, allmy podcasts include the full
transcription right.
In the podcast as well.
So a lot of stuff like that.
And this script will spit outthe the transcript
automatically, of course.
But it's, it's something that Ithink a lot of.
Podcasters by more technicalpeople.

(34:38):
People that are interested inthe technology of podcasting
have already moved to, cuz it'sbeen around for a few years.
But of course the big guys arealways gonna be the slowest to
make any,

Scott (34:49):
Right.

Gene (34:50):
or move to anything that augments the standard and it's
fully backwards compatible withthe old standards.
So, if you're, if you'recreating a podcast episode in
something more traditional, thenit's all of these podcast 2.0
apps will be more than happy tojust give you the subset of the
features that have alwaysexisted.

Scott (35:08):
Okay.

Gene (35:08):
But I would definitely encourage you to check that out,
get a little more info, cuz itdoes add a lot a lot more
features to what people are usedto, which is what originally
Adam, gave to Apple back over adecade ago, back when jobs was
still alive.

Scott (35:22):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I did.
I took a look at, I took a lookat the site and one, one of the
amazing things that.
Popped up to me was, like440,000 new podcasts launched in
the, what, like the last sixmonths or something?

Gene (35:40):
Yep.

Scott (35:41):
Yeah.

Gene (35:42):
Yeah, there's, it indexes three, 3.8 million of them total
podcast rate now, I believe.

Scott (35:47):
yeah, it's, it's mind boggling.

Gene (35:49):
Mm-hmm.
yeah, it's it's almost half amillion in the last 90 days.
365,000 in the last 30 days.
But, but again, you're what youmentioned earlier, which is that
the vast majority don't get past10, and of the ones that get
past 10, most of those don't getto 50.
So it, there, there are a lot oforphan podcasts, that's for

(36:12):
sure.

Scott (36:13):
Yeah.
And one thing I would like tosee is

Gene (36:18):
Mm-hmm.

Scott (36:18):
if your podcast doesn't work and you've.
Seven episodes up there, pleasejust delete it.

Gene (36:27):
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.

Scott (36:28):
So, I mean, I, I don't know how you feel, but I feel
like, I make an analogy to if,if I tell my friends I have a
podcast, it's almost liketelling'em I'm vegan

Gene (36:43):
Mm-hmm.

Scott (36:44):
It's like, oh shit, I gotta listen to that now.
Or it's it because podcasts havea bad name because there's so
many bad ones out there.

Gene (36:54):
Mm-hmm.
There, there are a lot of'em.
And, but that's, I mean, it'sthe same thing with books,
right?
It's, it's Right now, especiallywhen you can self-publish books,
when you don't require apublisher, there's no editor
going through your stuff andsaying, yeah, this is worth us
as a publishing company toinvest money.

Scott (37:14):
Mm-hmm.

Gene (37:15):
the good side of self-publishing is the authors
keep way more money cuz theyused to get, pennies and the
dollar for their work.

Scott (37:22):
Yeah,

Gene (37:23):
side of it is that there's nobody really filtering for
quality either.

Scott (37:27):
right.
There are some terrible,terrible books out there.

Gene (37:31):
yeah.
Yeah.
And not, both in content, butalso in presentation.
There's some books that havegreat info that really just
require a professional editor togo through and redo them.

Scott (37:41):
right?

Gene (37:41):
And that's something that we gotta put up with.
And I, I think that you reallyhave to rely on, on, and I'm
mostly talking about Amazonhere, but rely on the ratings.
Of the people that have boughtthe book to determine whether or
not you wanna spend the money onit, because the cover might look
great cuz that's usually paidsomebody, most people pay

(38:01):
somebody else to create thecover.
I've never done that.
I've created my own covers formy books because I think that's
a waste of money to pay somebodyfor that.
But, but also, I've not tried todo anything super fancy either.
But but yeah, it, it's, I thinkit's a similar thing with
podcasts.
Like, you're if, if the podcasthas no reviews, it's like, well,
you're on your own.
This may suck, or it may begood, you never know.

(38:24):
It's got some reviews that, thatgives you a little better ideas.
Lisas if you're gonna enjoy itor not.

Scott (38:29):
Yeah.
Yeah.
The, the only I, I get like, Ido the Amazon unlimited.
What whatever you can get thefree books for, and I will try
out a book.
And all I've really have lost ismy time if it's not good.

Gene (38:46):
Yeah.
Well, the time's, the one thingyou can't replace, so

Scott (38:49):
Yeah.

Gene (38:50):
Yeah.
That's, that's not a I'd ratherlose money than time.

Scott (38:54):
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
I, I, I agree with that andI'll, I'll give it a chapter or
two before I decide.
I'm gonna delete it off myKindle

Gene (39:03):
Mm-hmm.
Yeah, for sure.
Yeah, so while I of jumped intothe whole podcasting 2.0 stuff I
guess, you, you, I stopped youwhen you were going through
your, your history orbackground, and we got, I think
to the point where you weredoing Podcasting for, or
podcasts both for your regionand the comedy one, and what

(39:26):
else were you doing?

Scott (39:27):
Yeah.
So the behind the bits is, is mycomedy podcast, and it's been
going for three years now, and Inever, I never had big
expectations of it, like takingoff.
And it turned out.
Second year, it did take off.
I won an award best Interviewstyle podcast award from one of

(39:50):
the places, and it was a voteaward, although I was nominated
by them.
I can't remember the name of theplace, but I was nominated by
them and I, I rallied for voteslike crazy, and I ended up
winning that.
And then that gave me a big bumpbecause they put it on their
Twitter feed and all that kindof stuff.
I got some pretty good guestsand things kept rolling.

(40:13):
Especially during the pandemic.
It things rolled really well.
I got some great guests, peoplehad time, they were listening.
And my listenership grew to apoint where, I could, I could
bring on sponsors, I could I, Icould run programmatic ads and
make a decent living at it andnot a decent living, but pocket
money.
And it really, I got a littlebit of clout.

(40:37):
I had publicists coming to mesaying, Hey, will you have my
comic on?
And stuff like that.
And I really got into, okay,what makes a podcast good?
And, my success was really justbecause I kept at it and, and
listen.
Listened to my listeners whenthey gave suggestions and things

(40:58):
like that.
And so I really got passionateabout pod podcasting and I
started one for the place Iworked at in Indiana.
And then I worked for a companyout of Birmingham here and I
started one for them.
And I thought, I, I, I wastalking to other podcasts cuz,
cuz you know how we get aroundand talk and they kept saying,

(41:20):
one of the things I like to dois help other people start
podcasts.
And I thought, well, Let me getinto that game.
And so I started a podcast inJanuary called Your Pod Guy, and
I've got a website called yourpod guy.com, where I will
consult with you and get yourpodcast started for you.
And the only thing is, is mostpeople focus on what I consider

(41:45):
the ticky tac stuff, like yourmicrophone, your the software
you use.
I mean, we both love the script,but you know, it's really not
the most important part of yourpodcast.
It is what is your podcastabout?
What do you wanna accomplishwith it and what's your mission?
So I, I started your podcast tohelp people get through what I

(42:05):
think is the important partbefore they even start podcast.

Gene (42:09):
Mm-hmm.
So, other than the software andhardware, what kind of things
are you asking'em, or, or,helping them decide?

Scott (42:19):
Yeah, so the first thing I ask them is, what do you wanna
accomplish with your podcast?

Gene (42:25):
Mm-hmm.

Scott (42:25):
And I'll tell you, I work with mostly people who have a
business that they want topromote.
So, a really good, I work, I'mworking with a real estate
agent, and a really good thingfor a real estate agent to do,
to cement that trusted advisorstatus is do a podcast.
And it doesn't even have to be aweekly podcast.

(42:46):
Everybody thinks they have to doit weekly.
A month or monthly or twice amonth is totally fine.
But if a realtor has.
The knowledge that, okay, thisis, this is what is gonna help
you sell your house.
If you remodel your bathroom andyou spend$8,000, your return is

(43:07):
gonna be X.
Or if you paint, your return isgonna be X.
Putting podcasts out about thatand then sell.
And buyers, buyers wanna knowhow to buy, buy a house and
first time buyers.
I tell you what, I owned myhouse.
I had my house for 30 years inSouth Bend, so I hadn't bought a
house for a long time.

(43:27):
I didn't even know what marketswere like.
And guess what?
I'm in Huntsville, Alabama now,and it's nuts,

Gene (43:34):
Mm-hmm.

Scott (43:35):
I wish I listened to a couple podcasts about it.
So a, a realtor that puts apodcast out.
It's a great marketing thing aslong as it's informational and
it's not just a commercial.

Gene (43:47):
So, are you still doing the, the Indiana podcast after
you moved?

Scott (43:51):
no, that's gone

Gene (43:52):
Okay.
I was gonna say, that'd beweird.

Scott (43:54):
Yeah, I I actually gave that up I think in the first
year I did behind the beds, cuzI just couldn't do both.

Gene (44:01):
Mm-hmm.
Got it.
That makes sense.
So you're, you're basicallyworking with businesses that
wanna utilize podcasting as partof their marketing efforts.

Scott (44:09):
Yeah.

Gene (44:11):
Got it.
And now do you work with theirmarketing people or who do you
typically work with?

Scott (44:14):
so it depends, if it's a single real estate agent, I'm
working directly with them

Gene (44:19):
Sure, sure.

Scott (44:21):
and once we get the framework done, that's when I
say, okay, let's start lookingat what you know, what's the
basic equipment you need and howcan we get this to where you can
do a podcast for dummies and dothis yourself.
Or who do you want to farm outthe editing to?

(44:41):
Who do you wanna farm out yoursocial media advertising too?
Help them find the right peopleto get everything moving.
And then let'em go.
One of the things that I see outthere in podcast land is there's
all these gurus that want you topay'em so much money a month in
order to get their podcast inthe top, top 10 apple or

(45:05):
whatever.
My thing is, is I want to, Iwant to give you the most
information and give you the,the best start you can to your
podcast, and then get outta yourlife and let you do your podcast

Gene (45:18):
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
So you're really you hit'embefore they start, or.

Scott (45:22):
yeah, it's, that's really the best thing, and I will work
with a podcast, say they arethinking about a rebrand, say
things aren't, say they've gonefor a year and they've plateaued
as far as listeners, and theywanna know what to do next.
I will, I will consult in thattype of manner as well.

Gene (45:40):
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
And then what's, I guess, whatare you seeing as the, the size
of listenership that thesecompanies are trying to get to?
Obviously the more, the better,but you know, there, is there a
point that, which it's notworthwhile for them to do the
podcast?
Or is there a point at whichlike their investment in doing
the podcast actually issufficiently large to pay back?

(46:03):
What are you finding with those?

Scott (46:05):
So when you think about it, so let's take my company for
instance.
My company does a anywhere from15 to 20 minute episode twice a
month.

Gene (46:18):
Mm.
Mm-hmm.

Scott (46:20):
it's very, very short on one topic.
Say, say we're talking aboutcybersecurity and the different
things that.
Available to you that weren't,besides antivirus that can help
you keep your network secure.
So we'll do a episode, aninformational episode that is
really targeted towards like,sea level people that can say,

(46:44):
they can take away a couple goodnuggets and take that back to
their IT person or contact us tohelp'em out.
And as far as the time that'sinvested in it and the money
that's invested in it, firstoff, it's zero because it's
hosted for, it's hosted on myaccount for free

Gene (47:06):
Mm-hmm.

Scott (47:07):
and second, as far as the time I spend about probably an
hour.
For every episode.
And then I give it to ourmarketing person and she
probably spends another hourputting posts together, social
media posts, cutting outsnippets and, and things like
that for LinkedIn.

(47:27):
And so really it's two hours anepisode and we get maybe, I th I
think our best was maybe ahundred.
However, it's the right people.
It's our own clients.
It's our clients sharing it withtheir peers.
And we've already seen thingscome of it.
And the other thing is, is ouremployees are listening to it.

(47:51):
So they are understanding whatour initiatives are and how
we're talking to our clients.
So you've got a level one tech.
He understands that we aresaying that.
Spam filter for Office 365 isprobably not as good as you want
for your email.

Gene (48:10):
Yeah.

Scott (48:10):
So it's, it's really, it's, I think quality is a lot
more important than quantitywhen you're doing a business
related podcast.

Gene (48:21):
Mm-hmm.
that makes sense.
And what, like what type ofclients have you been working
with in terms of size ofbusiness?
Now you mentioned some realestate agents.
What, what other types ofclients seem to be in the right
niche for you?

Scott (48:33):
right.
So, I'm just starting, so I'm,I, I've got three of'em going.
I, I'm work, I'm working probono for a guy in Boise, Idaho
who is starting a comedypodcast,

Gene (48:48):
Oh, okay.
That makes sense.

Scott (48:49):
I've got a local real estate agent here in Huntsville.
And I've got a guy in SouthBend, Indiana who developed an
application for people who selllike Amazon, F B a, eBay, Etsy
all, all, all the different, allthe different ways to sell your
stuff or sell from a warehouse.

(49:12):
And he basically takes all thatand puts it together so you know
where your inventory is, youknow where your sales are coming
from, and it's basically an APIthat you can plug into just
about anything.
And I'm working with him to gethis podcast going.
That talks not only about whathe does, but all the stuff

(49:33):
that's adjacent, all the thingsthat Amazon FBA sellers go
through.

Gene (49:37):
Sure.
Yeah.
That I, I probably wouldn't mindlistening to that myself.
I've got products on Amazon.

Scott (49:44):
And there's not, there's not a ton of those out there.

Gene (49:47):
Mm-hmm.

Scott (49:48):
That's, that's one of the markets that's not overly
saturated.
I, I, I like this podcast 2.0site, but I use listen notes
when I'm looking for podcaststhat are in a certain area, and
it's got a real good keywordsearch function.
And I use that.
And I know when I search thatthere wasn't a whole lot in that

(50:09):
area,

Gene (50:11):
Yeah.
Well, I mean, podcasting indexis really.
like the site is only just totell you a little bit about the
company.
Yes, you can get some stats anddata out of there, but for the
most part, the focus for them ison working with developers to
create the new standard.

Scott (50:26):
right?

Gene (50:27):
So it's really as much as anything a proof of the concept
in live.
And it's also, I mean, one ofthe motivating forces here too,
initially for them was to have asite that isn't big tech.

Scott (50:41):
Mm-hmm.

Gene (50:42):
because it, it happened on the heels of all the de
platforming that big techstarted doing to where, apple
dropped Alex Jones podcasts anda bunch of other people's
podcasts and, and literally thesame day Google Drop'em and
everybody else.
And you have people thatliterally had millions of
listeners all of a sudden beinghomeless

Scott (51:04):
Yeah,

Gene (51:05):
and obviously people have their own political opinions on
this matter, but it doesn'tmatter to me anyway, on whether
they were far lefty or farrighty or, or centrist.
The idea that the peoplecontrolling the indexes can make
arbitrary decisions on who theydon't want to be in the index.

(51:28):
That's very dangerous in my mindbecause that type of power
should not be within onecompany.
And of course now we've had theTwitter hearings on in in, in
Congress showing that not onlywas it Twitter making decisions,
but it was actually f b ibringing decisions to Twitter
that they would like to seehappen.

Scott (51:47):
Yeah.

Gene (51:48):
And all of that stuff is just like, whoa.
This is not what was envisionedoriginally for any of this
stuff.
Like when Google started doingindexing of websites, we didn't
think that.
Eventually, the only results wesee are companies that pay
Google,

Scott (52:04):
Yeah.

Gene (52:05):
and that's what we are seeing right now.
Everybody on the front page andusually the first few pages,
they all, one way or anothergive money to Google.
Whether it's directly throughplacement on the search results
or through, it's through AdWordsor whatever else.
You're seeing paid results.
You're not seeing the actualindex.
And that's why I've, I don't useGoogle for Index either.

(52:26):
I, I haven't for a while there,there are more neutral sources
out there.
And so with Podcast Index, beinga, a nonprofit off in its own
little world, it, it reallymeans that you can't de platform
a podcast.

Scott (52:42):
Right.
And

Gene (52:44):
to find, but you can't de platform.

Scott (52:47):
yeah.
And I think that's important.
There's, I, the, the wholefreedom of speech thing is
really getting, like you said,it's, it's dangerous right now.

Gene (52:58):
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
It's, it's people that are yourage.
My age.
Like, we took a lot of thisstuff for granted.
Like this wasn't a question.
The, the idea that, Ford MotorCompany can say, only certain
people can drive Ford cars.

Scott (53:12):
Yeah.

Gene (53:13):
Are you kidding?
That was not a thought anybodyhad.
It's like, wait, didn't that alldisappear in the sixties when we
got integrated schools?
And now all of a sudden there'sa resurgence of that.
Not, not necessarily based onskill and color, but definitely
based on ideologies.

Scott (53:29):
Yeah

Gene (53:30):
so it, it is I think it's important to support companies
and, and organizations thatreally promote true freedom of
speech and podcasting relies onfreedom of speech.

Scott (53:40):
exactly.

Gene (53:41):
There is no podcasting in the book.
1984.

Scott (53:44):
Yeah.
It's funny on behind the bits,I, I made a rule for myself that
I'm gonna have guests on thatdon't share my ideology as far
as politics or religion oranything like that.
I was gonna bring, cuz I'm alefty and I was gonna bring on
people who are funny and peoplewho have done something that I

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think adds value.
So I've had some pretty.
Pretty heavy conservative guestson, and Tom Dreesen is one of
'em.
And I get these notes from myliberal friends are like, why do
you, why'd you have that guy on?

Gene (54:25):
Mm-hmm.

Scott (54:26):
And I'm like, because he adds value.
This isn't a politics podcast.
It's about standup comedy.

Gene (54:33):
Yeah.

Scott (54:34):
And I've even, so I've, I've had people wanna cen censor
me and I've, I've had peoplesay, I'm not gonna listen to
your show anymore cuz you hadthis dude on.

Gene (54:42):
I know.
It's crazy.

Scott (54:44):
Yeah.

Gene (54:44):
and, and I don't know if you had to listen to any of my
previous episodes, but Iactually just had a a 20 year
old Gen Z kid on, well, I callhim a kid.
Because I wanted to, in as muchas I can make fun of all those
people his age, I, I wanted tohave the, that perspective
directly from the horse's mouth

Scott (55:02):
Mm-hmm.

Gene (55:04):
by anybody else and see, what are they thinking?
And is this, is this somethingthat is similar to what I
remember at that age?
Or is this like completely crazywacky shit that that I've never
went through or any of myfriends?
And then I also had somebodythat was like 10 years older,

(55:26):
somebody that was in his latetwenties after that.
And now I've got you, you're,you're 58 you said, and
self-identified lefty.
So that'll be fun for a lot ofmy listeners.
I think I definitely skew right?
I'm, I'm very much alibertarian, so I was, for a
good chunk of my life, I was theseen as a lefty by the
conservatives.

(55:47):
Now I think we're best friends,so it's things have shifted in
our lifetimes, that's for sure.

Scott (55:53):
It has, and it's funny you talk to the.
You talked to a, a Gen Zer

Gene (56:00):
Mm-hmm.

Scott (56:00):
their point of reference for their opinions is so much
different than ours.

Gene (56:05):
Oh yeah.

Scott (56:06):
We didn't have a thousand people telling us this is wrong
when, when they have no basis ofsaying it's wrong on social
media when we were kids.

Gene (56:21):
Yeah, absolutely.
And I remember even in college,like having some professors that
were clearly ideologicallysocialist.
There's no two ways about it.
But even then, it like you,well, at least I remember being
smart enough to know that, okay,well I should expect that cuz

(56:44):
this is the last bastion ofsocialism was universities.
Well, it, it seems like, goodluck finding somebody who isn't
a socialist in in academia right

Scott (56:53):
Yeah.

Gene (56:54):
it's 100% taken over and, and to the point where when,
when you and I were in, incollege, like somebody being
called a socialist or communistwas an insult.
It's not anymore to these kids.
Like they think, well, yeah,those are the good ideas.
This is where we need to bringthe United States to in order to
save it.

Scott (57:14):
Mm-hmm.

Gene (57:16):
So it's, it's a very different mentality and it's not
the sort of old, unionsocialism.
It's very much a Chinese stylesocialism that they're into.

Scott (57:27):
Yeah.
And that's scary.

Gene (57:28):
Yeah, it's I would've not predicted this, that's for sure.
I mean, I'm usually pretty goodat making predictions.
I find myself being right moreoften than not.
But the direction that the youthright now is going, I would not
have predicted.
I just would've figured they allbe, just brain numb zombies
looking at their phones, whichis what I make fun of'em for.
But politically, I, I thinkthey're quite different than

(57:50):
what I would've expected forsure.
So do you, you, I'm not a, like,I'm not a big comedy guy.
I've certainly gone to a fewcomedy shows, improv things over
the years, but it's not reallyan area I follow.
So, other than the big guys,like, obviously Joe Rogan, who
will have comedians onoccasionally not as often as he

(58:10):
used to these days.
And Mark Maron and like, whoelse do you really like out
there for comedy

Scott (58:16):
It's, yeah.
Most of the comedy podcasts Ilike are more independent, like
mine.

Gene (58:25):
Mm-hmm.

Scott (58:26):
There's, there's one that's brand new of a couple
guys from Indiana who have bothbeen doing comedy.
I think one's like 10 years in,and the other one's like 13.
And it's called Matt and Dwight.
Just my, and I've, I'veinterviewed both of'em on my
show, but they talk about likecomedy 1 0 1 stuff, and, and

(58:52):
the, the title doesn't.
Tell you what you're gonna get.
So the, they made a mistakethere, but that's okay.
But they, I, and I wanna say, Iwanna say their Listenerships,
probably they're friends rightnow, but it's one, it's one of
the best podcasts for any newcomedian that wants to

(59:13):
understand what it's all about,what, how to put a set together,
how to get paid, all that kindof stuff.
And

Gene (59:20):
What's the name of the podcast

Scott (59:21):
got, I'm sorry,

Gene (59:23):
What's the name of the show

Scott (59:24):
it's Matt and Dwight just might, and Matt is with one

Gene (59:28):
just might, that is a horrible name.

Scott (59:30):
Yeah, it's

Gene (59:32):
Ugh.
They need to hire you.

Scott (59:36):
Yes.
Yeah.
They definitely need a rebrand,but I think, I think they're
doing it just for fun.
But the content, and for me, themost important thing on a
podcast is content.

Gene (59:47):
Mm-hmm.

Scott (59:48):
And it's absolutely fantastic.
And there's another guy, andhe's been doing it for years and
he does a show called The Art ofBombing Podcast and the what he
does, his podcast center outcenters around a comedian coming
in and talking about their worstbomb and how they recovered from

(01:00:08):
it.

Gene (01:00:09):
Yeah, that sounds pretty interesting.
That's a good name.
That actually ties into thetopic and having people talk
about their worst experience isalways entertaining, for sure.

Scott (01:00:19):
yeah, he does, he does a great job with it.

Gene (01:00:22):
Mm-hmm.
No, that's, that's cool.
And then are you still doingstandup locally where you're at
now, or are you just busy withthe podcasting stuff?

Scott (01:00:32):
So I've, I've gotten away from it and I'm just starting to
get back into it.
The, the move, the move washard.
I mean, when you've been in thesame place all your life and you
move 600 miles south toHuntsville, Alabama, it's, it,
it, it was a shock to the systemSo, and I'm just starting to get

(01:00:54):
to know the, the folks aroundhere and the thing with comedy,
it's definitely not like ridinga bike.
So if you, if you stop for aperiod of time, you've gotta
make up that time again,

Gene (01:01:07):
Mm-hmm.

Scott (01:01:08):
And at my age, I, I, I, I'm making decisions on where I
wanna spend my time.
And I've decided after, lastyear I did so little.
I did like one page show and afew open mics.
And this year I've decided,okay, I'm gonna put a little bit
more effort towards it and maybetry to get myself on some

(01:01:28):
showcases and stuff like that.
But I'm also redoing mymaterial, getting, getting my
chops back by doing open micsand stuff like that.
So this year I will do more thanlast year, but probably not as
much as the years before when Iwas in South Bend.

Gene (01:01:45):
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
So how do you like Huntsville?

Scott (01:01:48):
I love it.
The re we came, so I, we've gottwo kids.
My daughter is 32 and she livesin the DC area.
And my son.
Got a job for NASA outta collegeand came to Huntsville and

Gene (01:02:08):
say it's a big airspace industry there.

Scott (01:02:10):
yeah, and the funny thing is, is he studied meteorology
and was planning on Washingtonworking for the National Weather
Service and he did somepresentation in Chicago and a
NASA guy was there and he said,I, I think you'd be a good fit.
And they actually brought himdown and paid for his master's

(01:02:30):
degree and gave him like aninternship, a paid internship.
And now he's like in managementor something.
But we wanted to be close to oneof our kids and we were in DC
enough times to know that wedidn't wanna live there.
So Huntsville, it was.

Gene (01:02:48):
Yeah.
Yeah.
That makes sense.
It's And I think in a lot ofways Alabama gets a bad rep.
It's, it's a beautiful countryout there.
The weather's good.
The it, it's just not well knownfor anything particularly other
than, poor education, So, but itdoesn't mean that that affects

(01:03:09):
the the city life and everythingelse.
That's very different out there.

Scott (01:03:13):
And Huntsville's, I think about 50% bigger than South
Bend.
So it's, it's a bigger city, butit still has a small city feel.
And, the mountains are, hikingin the mountains is great.
Their mountains aren't big, butthey're, they've got great
trails.

Gene (01:03:30):
than we, we have here in Texas, that's for

Scott (01:03:32):
Yeah.
a little flat.
Yeah.

Gene (01:03:35):
Yeah.
Our, our mountains a hundredfeet tall, so,

Scott (01:03:37):
Yeah.
But yeah, I really, I've reallyenjoyed it here.
The one thing I do miss is wewere by Lake Michigan and going
and walking the beach and thetrails at Lake Michigan was
really, really fun.

Gene (01:03:51):
Yeah.

Scott (01:03:52):
But yeah, it's, it's nice.
I don't miss the lake effectsnow.
I'll tell you that

Gene (01:03:56):
Yeah.
But now you're not too far fromthe coast.
I mean, you're not right on thecoast for sure.
But how, how long of a drive isit to go down the coast?

Scott (01:04:03):
it is right around two hours.

Gene (01:04:07):
Yeah, that's reasonable.
That's a weekend trip for sure.

Scott (01:04:09):
yeah, yeah.
We've done it.
We did it.
So we were by ourselves lastChristmas and just, we went and
spent a few nights on the beachthere.

Gene (01:04:18):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Which is nice.
And I, I, in Austin where I'm atit's about a three hour drive
down to the Gulf, so it's alittle bit further.
It's you certainly have to, youcan't just do it in one day cuz
then you're gonna be driving forsix hours.

Scott (01:04:30):
Yeah.

Gene (01:04:31):
But it's still close enough for, a weekend or an
overnight, pretty much anytime.
And it's, it's nice to have theability to get down, to open the
water like that.

Scott (01:04:41):
Yes.
Yeah, it definitely is.

Gene (01:04:43):
Cool.
All right.
Well, so I guess let's get yourcontact info, all that good
stuff.
Obviously you said you'relooking for, or working with
companies already, and I'm surelooking for more that want to
get some help in puttingtogether their, their podcast.
Are you also looking for anykind of comedy stuff?
What, what kind of, what are youlooking to spend time doing?

Scott (01:05:06):
As far as podcasts go, if you.
Have an idea for a podcast, oryou think you want a podcast,
just contact me.
I'm not gonna charge youanything to talk to you about
it.
I, I do like a free initialconsultation, I call it, but
I'll, I, I love meeting peopleand just talking to'em.
So whatever your podcast isabout, if you want to get

(01:05:27):
steered in the right direction,I've got a checklist that I,
that I made up about what yourpodcast is about, and then all
the ticky tac stuff, likemicrophones and hosting and all
that kind of stuff.
So I will definitely help youabsolutely free.
And then if you think it's agood fit and you want me to take
you down the road, then youknow, I will definitely bring

(01:05:48):
you on as a client.
But,

Gene (01:05:49):
Which by the way is, is nice cuz a lot of times I'll get
approached with a whole bunch ofquestions people have.
I'm happy to give'em a copy ofmy list of what I use.
It doesn't mean it's gonna bethe best fit for them.
because I've been doing this forover a decade.
But also I, I'm not really gonnaspend any more time than I have
to, to reply to'em because I'mdoing other stuff.

(01:06:13):
I'm not doing any kind ofpodcasting, consulting or
anything like that.
So it's more of a favor if youreach out to me and ask some
questions.
It's hard enough trying to getpeople that I co-host with to
get all the right gear.
I don't want to, I don't wannabe doing that for just the
average person.
So it's interesting that that'sa niche or a little business
that you're that you're alsodoing on the side, which is

(01:06:34):
great.

Scott (01:06:34):
Yeah.
And I, I think it's, I thinkit's gonna be fun.
Once again, I don't have hugeexpectations for it.
If I, if it takes off, that'sgreat.
If it doesn't, I'm always here.
I, I bought the url.
It's your podd guy.com.
So,

Gene (01:06:50):
Mm-hmm.

Scott (01:06:51):
Yeah.
So,

Gene (01:06:52):
Yeah.
That's, that's an easy one to.

Scott (01:06:54):
decent url, so I, I think that's fine.
I'm, I'm probably gonna spendabout 80% of my time with local
folks because I can, sit therewith them and be in person and,
and take'em through it that way.
But I, I will be glad to take onfolks from anywhere in the
country or in the world for thatmatter.

Gene (01:07:13):
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
And so if they wanna email, isit just Scott at your pod guy or
what's the email?

Scott (01:07:20):
Yeah.
It's Scott at your podd guy dot.

Gene (01:07:23):
Yeah, that makes sense.
So that's cool.
Now, one thing we didn't coverthem before I forget here too,
is so I record, since we'retalking about sort of the, how
the sausage is made stuff Itypically will record audio only
podcasts on Zencaster.
Some people like clean feed.
I used to use Clean Feed, but Ifind that Zencaster is a little

(01:07:43):
slicker because it actuallysaves the audio from both sides.
rather than just providing aconduit for the audio.
What have you been using or whathave you found other people
using for podcasting?

Scott (01:07:55):
So Zencaster is a big one.
Riverside FM

Gene (01:07:59):
Mm-hmm.

Scott (01:07:59):
is a big one.
I personally, because I do alivestream video for my behind
the Bits interviews, I useRestream io.

Gene (01:08:11):
Yep.

Scott (01:08:11):
I'm.
Rethinking that a little bit

Gene (01:08:15):
Mm-hmm.

Scott (01:08:15):
because there is a good percentage of time that there
are audio issues from my remoteguest.

Gene (01:08:25):
Mm.
Did you, do you walk'em throughto making sure that in their
settings for Restream, they turnon high quality audio.

Scott (01:08:31):
Yeah.
And, and still, if, if there'sany bandwidth glitches or they,
they don't have a mic andthey're using AirPods and stuff
like that, it just doesn't, I Ifeel like Restream exasperates
the issue that's already there.

Gene (01:08:50):
that's probably true.
Although I do like that Restreamcan, you can dump right into
script.

Scott (01:08:54):
Yes.
Yeah.
So I, I hope that they, they domulti-track, which is great.
The only thing is, is I, I'vegot a road caster Pro, so.
I record my audio on there andit sounds better than the tracks
I download from Restream anyway,but yeah, and it's just, I, I'm,

(01:09:19):
I haven't made a decision yetbecause I pay annual on that
too.

Gene (01:09:23):
Yeah.

Scott (01:09:24):
I, I do annual

Gene (01:09:25):
not cheap.
That's like 40 bucks a month, ifI remember right.

Scott (01:09:27):
So I think every Black Friday they do a half off

Gene (01:09:33):
Mm.

Scott (01:09:33):
and it's good for both monthly and annual.
And the nice thing is, is onceyou're in it, you're in it for
life.
So when you re-up, it doesn'tgo, it doesn't revert back to
the price.

Gene (01:09:46):
So interesting.
Yeah, cuz I, I've got the thecheap package on there just
cause I've been playing aroundwith it.
But one of my YouTube channelswe, we have the pro package from
them that we use, but, that'spaid for by the channel, but for
myself, I've just got the littlecheap one.
But that's interesting.
I'll keep an eye out for thenext time we have a Black
Friday.
Come along and see if I can getin on that deal.

Scott (01:10:09):
Yeah.
And they've been consistent withit.
Cuz I was with Streamy Yardbefore and Streamy Yard is about
the same price normally.

Gene (01:10:18):
Yeah.
A little fewer features I think.

Scott (01:10:20):
Right.
And they never do like a halfoff thing like Restream

Gene (01:10:25):
So they did have 30% off.
Let me think how far back thiswould've been.
I wanna say Memorial Day of lastyear.
I think we got a 30% off deal onthem

Scott (01:10:34):
Mm-hmm.

Gene (01:10:36):
right around there.
So they do Rama occasionally,but lately it has been the full
price.

Scott (01:10:41):
And there's a lot of other players coming up.
I see.
I see.
Other similar types.
Platforms coming

Gene (01:10:48):
Well, Adobe's another one.
They, they've got a competitorto Restream that's coming up as
well.

Scott (01:10:53):
Excellent.
Yeah, I, I, I love thecompetition because that's gonna
push features.
A and it's also gonna bring theprice, the cost down.
Yeah.

Gene (01:11:04):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Cuz again, 40, 40 bucks a monthor 39, whatever the hell it is
you're still looking at 500bucks a year.
So this is, these are notinsignificant costs for having
that level, but obviously withthree Stream or Streamy yard,
you're getting video, you'regetting video editing live
editing at least, and you'regetting multiple concurrent

(01:11:28):
endpoints.
So you're, you're going to like,I think when we do our, our
show, it goes to not justYouTube, but also Twitch,
Facebook and a handful of othersthat I don't remember.
So you do get more features outof it.
Obviously way more than justaudio.
But this is also why I like todo, if I do a pure audio

(01:11:49):
recording, I usually do it onZencaster

Scott (01:11:51):
Yeah.
Yeah.
And I think, you know the, theZencaster recordings, cuz I've
been on a number of podcaststhat use Zencaster and
definitely between that andRiverside fm it's just

Gene (01:12:06):
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And then Zencaster, during Covidstarted doing, like, their free
plan got vastly expanded.

Scott (01:12:18):
Yeah, I remember that.

Gene (01:12:20):
And so, and it's still expanded, so I don't, I mean, I
guess there's enough people likepaying them money for the, the
video features cuz basicallyvideo's the, the main feature
you gotta pay for.

Scott (01:12:33):
Mm-hmm.

Gene (01:12:34):
but like today's recording, I've done two and a
half, three hour recordings ontheir free plan on Zencaster.

Scott (01:12:42):
Mm-hmm.

Gene (01:12:43):
And it's like, holy shit, this is great.
Cuz it's the same high quality.
It's a, there's no cap.
Like if you have free plans inmost of their platforms, like,
oh, you get 30 minutes.
All right.
Well thanks for nothing.
But these guys literally allowanybody that wants to do remote
interviews with podcasts to, todo it for free and in a nice ui

(01:13:06):
with the ability to have eachparty be providing their remote
audio directly to Zencaster,they take care of the mix minus
they take care of all the issuesthat we as audio guys usually
had to do with hardware orsoftware on our end.
Like they just take care of allthat stuff.
And all you gotta do is justdownload the files when you're
done.
In fact, you don't, I don't evendo that because I've got it set

(01:13:29):
up to automatically upload thefiles to my Dropbox.
So the files are literally on mycomputer within about 15 minutes
after the end of a recording.

Scott (01:13:37):
yeah, yeah.
That's nice.

Gene (01:13:39):
It's, it's really slick.
And again, I like, I don't payfor it.
It's free.

Scott (01:13:43):
Yeah.

Gene (01:13:44):
Can't beat it.

Scott (01:13:46):
I'll never forget the first time I tried to figure out
mixed minus.

Gene (01:13:50):
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
It's for a lot of people, it'sand I've got like, I use the
MOTU mixer and the, I don't,again, you probably don't know
the backstory on this unless youwere deep in the podcasting back
about five years ago.
But Adam and I did a Kickstarterfor a, a new design of a

(01:14:11):
podcasting mixer hardware forthe computer where, you know,
the guy who literally inventedthe podcasting took his
requirements

Scott (01:14:21):
Mm.

Gene (01:14:21):
doing a podcast.
And then I was the c e o of thecompany.
And then we worked with adesigner and engineer and the
guy that did PCBs.
And anyway, we built a fewprototypes of this device and it
was, It had a lot of featuresthat the, up to that point,
existing devices, mixers didn'thave, because really mixers were

(01:14:43):
being made for musicians, notfor podcasters.
So it was always some adaptiongoing on.
And we did the Kickstarter andas the the, the money dude, I, I
had some very rigid requirementson how well we had to do in the
Kickstarter before we committedto the production of any kind of

(01:15:03):
units.
And while we kicked off verystrong in the Kickstarter, it
fizzled out.
And I think we had a, likearound 200,000 pledged or so.
And that was nowhere near, andwe'd need to have at least half
a million, ideally a millionpledged in order to be able to
order the mass production ofthese things.

(01:15:24):
And so, product basicallydidn't, didn't materialize
because we didn't havesufficient enough numbers in the
Kickstarter.
But lo and behold, about a year,maybe 18 months later road came
out with their product, whichwas the same shape, very similar
in functionality.
Had a screen just like ours.
I mean, it was just like, oh,how nice.

(01:15:46):
They took our spec made it alittle bit bigger cuz we had
four channels.
They, they went to, I think it'ssix channels, right?

Scott (01:15:53):
Yeah.
Well they've got four channelsnatively and you can add Yeah.

Gene (01:15:57):
yeah, yeah.
And so it's like they expandedon what we had, but it's like,
wow, 18 months would be aboutright,

Scott (01:16:03):
Yeah.

Gene (01:16:04):
So I, I'm positive at the very least, there was somebody
that was paying attention to ourKickstarter from Road and then
they said, well, there'sinterest, but there wasn't
enough from to make it.
Maybe we should.

Scott (01:16:16):
Yeah.

Gene (01:16:16):
And it's a lot easier for a company that has other
products, obviously, than abrand new startup

Scott (01:16:21):
Oh yeah,

Gene (01:16:22):
off the ground.

Scott (01:16:23):
yeah

Gene (01:16:23):
but I've been a MOTU user for like 35 years, so I'm still
a big believer in those guys.
There's nothing else thattouches'em.
It's pro audio quality productsfor stage and recording
musicians.
But complex is all held toconfigure.

Scott (01:16:38):
yeah.

Gene (01:16:39):
So like mine is set up with eight different mixed minus
channels, so I can have a wholebunch of different sources that
that can all be on andintermingled with each other.
Without anybody getting any kindof feedback.
But again, it's like, it's, evenknowing the products for many
years, I still sometimes go,wait, wait a minute.
How, what the hell?

(01:17:00):
This isn't working.
What am I trying to do here?

Scott (01:17:02):
Yeah.

Gene (01:17:03):
So definitely get some of that.
And have

Scott (01:17:05):
heard about the issues with the Roader Pro two?

Gene (01:17:09):
Yeah.
Haven't really paid attention.
I know there people were saying,wait for the updated firmware.
What, what kind of stuff wereyou saying?

Scott (01:17:16):
the, the pro the, there's firmware issues, but the
hardware is no good.

Gene (01:17:22):
Really?

Scott (01:17:23):
Yeah.
It's I, I've, I've seen peoplereturn three of them because
keypads didn't work.
The, the sound pads didn't work.
If you hit the sound pad, youraudio would completely go off

Gene (01:17:39):
Hmm.

Scott (01:17:40):
Like, like short circuits, just just, I don't
know what they put into this or

Gene (01:17:47):
controller shoes?

Scott (01:17:48):
Well, yeah.
What r and d they did, but itwas definitely not ready for
prime time

Gene (01:17:53):
Wow.
Yeah.
That's not good.

Scott (01:17:55):
Yeah.
Yeah.
A lot of folks have just givenup and they went back to their
pro one

Gene (01:18:00):
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
That's too bad.
I mean, again, that's anothersegment where the more
competition, the better it isfor everybody.

Scott (01:18:08):
Yeah.
Yeah, for sure.

Gene (01:18:09):
Gets get more of that.
And I know that there are,there's now more of a market for
that because it's, it's verysimilar needs from both
podcasters and YouTubers or,streamers.

Scott (01:18:20):
Yeah.

Gene (01:18:21):
So you, you want to have, More than two channels, but not
necessarily 10.
You wanna have a bunch ofbuttons that you can assign.
There's, there's, there are morethings that these products can
do.
And I, I think there's anotherone that was a task, a TX or
task camera, somebody,somebody's got a, a product that

(01:18:41):
starts with a tea.
I think that is competing withthe road one very directly, but
the more of'em come out, thebetter, as far as I'm concerned.

Scott (01:18:49):
Yeah.
Yeah,

Gene (01:18:51):
you use before you got the road?

Scott (01:18:53):
yeah, I know the, on the road one that I have, they
pretty much said they're notgonna do any more updates,

Gene (01:19:01):
Mm-hmm.

Scott (01:19:02):
which is fine because it works.
But when I first got it, theykept putting feature updates out
and I know a couple of them, Irolled it back until they fixed
it because it was more troublethan it was worth, but now it's
nothing.
And they're putting everythinginto the two, but the two is a
piece of crap.

(01:19:22):
So

Gene (01:19:23):
Mm-hmm.
Well, hopefully they get thequality control issues in their
control.

Scott (01:19:28):
Yeah.

Gene (01:19:28):
Cuz I'm sure they'll do that eventually if they haven't
already, cuz they don't have achoice.

Scott (01:19:35):
And I do know the features they put into it were
really more towards streamingthan podcasting

Gene (01:19:40):
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
And, and I think we're gonnahave more companies that have
been focused on streaming, likestream deck El Gado.
Like those guys are going to addmore that is also good for
podcasters as they expand theirproduct offerings.
Like I have out there new streamdeck plus I think it is, it's
the one with the knobs

Scott (01:20:01):
Mm-hmm.

Gene (01:20:02):
and that comes with a built-in mixer.
Which is great for streaming,but could just as easily work
for podcasting as well.
That essentially creates amultiple inputs and outputs that
all mix down to a singlechannel, and you can do mix
minus very easily on it.
So there, there's more and morestuff that's coming out that

(01:20:24):
kind of targets this studio, butnot for music kind of
environment,

Scott (01:20:31):
Hmm.
I've, I've never used the ElGado line, but I've heard it's
really good.

Gene (01:20:36):
Yeah, I would call it mid-tier.
So it's, it's, you could thinkof it as like expensive home
gear or it, it's close to, butnot quite at the level of
professional quality stuff.
But it's also about a third ofthe price of the pro.

Scott (01:20:52):
right.

Gene (01:20:53):
If you wanna look at, getting switchers for video,
you're looking at thousands ofdollars with the El Gado
products, you're looking at thehundreds of dollars

Scott (01:21:02):
Mm-hmm.

Gene (01:21:03):
So it's, it's significantly cheaper than like
Black Magic or otheralternatives out there that
would be in the thousands ofdollars that are more meant for
pro studios.

Scott (01:21:14):
Right?

Gene (01:21:15):
But it's also not super cheap.
Like their lights, I think are169 bucks.
And, you can go to Amazon andget lights of the same
brightness for 29 bucks.

Scott (01:21:25):
Yeah.

Gene (01:21:26):
So you're always gonna pay a little premium going with
Delgado.
But on the other hand, it's highquality.
It's usually Mel Metal ratherthan plastic housing.
And it all works together.
So the, the different productsare meant to be used together
and talked to each other.

Scott (01:21:45):
Yeah, for sure.

Gene (01:21:46):
good stuff.
All right.
Well, anything else you wannabring up we didn't talk about?
Because I, I feel like we'vereminisced about a lot of stuff
and some things we've had incommon.
And I think it's good to getyour perspective.
You've also managed to fulfillthe niche of me interviewing
somebody now that is a older GenXer as well.
So I'm going down my line ofdifferent age groups I'm talking

(01:22:08):
to,

Scott (01:22:09):
So technically I'm a boomer

Gene (01:22:11):
how are you a boomer?
Because I, I What year were youborn?

Scott (01:22:14):
64.
So the,

Gene (01:22:15):
Oh, you're barely a boomer.

Scott (01:22:17):
yeah, the cutoff 6 64.
So I I'm not really accepted byboomers or Geners.

Gene (01:22:24):
that's right.
Go away

Scott (01:22:26):
That's right.

Gene (01:22:28):
Yeah, cuz I, I guess, people born in 65 are definitely
gen Xers.

Scott (01:22:32):
Yeah.
Yeah.
And, and it really depends onwhat chart you Google.
Some of'em.
Some of'em have boomers stoppinglike in 59.

Gene (01:22:41):
Oh, really?

Scott (01:22:42):
Yeah.

Gene (01:22:42):
Yeah.
That's probably technically moreaccurate, but I think, I guess
what I've been more familiarwith is like 65 being that
cutoff.
That's 1965 to all you kids out

Scott (01:22:54):
yeah.

Gene (01:22:55):
that's last century shit,

Scott (01:22:57):
That's right.

Gene (01:22:58):
Uhhuh, It's kinda like, I, I like seeing these old videos
of, like documentaries that arecolorized and audios restored
from the 1930s and stuff.
And and they're interviewingpeople that were born in the
1860s.
It's fun to watch and just seethe perspective that people from
a hundred years ago had werewell over a hundred at some

(01:23:21):
point, but But yeah, it'sthere's, there's a whole
generation that ha that was bornafter 2001

Scott (01:23:28):
Yep.

Gene (01:23:28):
and, and they're gonna be running things before too long.

Scott (01:23:32):
Mm-hmm.

Gene (01:23:33):
So.
Scary thought,

Scott (01:23:35):
Yeah, it is

Gene (01:23:37):
for sure.
Well Scott, I appreciate youbeing on, this was definitely
fun to talk a little bit aboutthe inside baseball or how the
sausage is made stuff.
And I, I think you've got a, avery interesting background here
with, well, I mean, not sointeresting on the IT side cuz
everybody's doing that, but moreinteresting on the comedy stuff.
And it's cool that you've gotthis business concept to

(01:23:59):
actually help people getpodcasting done right, rather
than just struggling through iton their own.

Scott (01:24:06):
Right, right.
Yeah.
Thanks for having me on.
I really really appreciate it.
And I'm gonna check out thispodcasting 2.0 thing.

Gene (01:24:14):
I think you need to dig into it and, and kinda make sure
that you're, you're followingthose two point ohand for any of
anybody you work with becauseit's really just not only a
matter of time until it becomesa standard, but also getting a
leg up.
Like, I know my podcasts uh, theone before this one that I did
was one of the first ones thathad the full transcripts in it

(01:24:34):
and people were like, how'd youdo this?
This is magic.
It's like, well, as long as youare using one of the apps that
supports it, which now isvirtually all apps, it used to
be a handful of maybe five, fiveor six apps then you just,
people are surprised at thingsthat they didn't realize a
podcast could do and havingfully searchable texts where you

(01:24:58):
can just type in a topic.
And this is great for likepolitical podcasts cuz you know,
you're covering multiple issues.
You, you punch in, well, I wannaonly know about what name your
election that you want, likeArizona or something.
Then you go directly to thatspot so you don't have to listen
to the rest of the show.
You could go to the part thatyou're actually interested in.

(01:25:18):
And then the multiple images forenclosures is really cool too
because then you, you can have,like, what I used to do is the
things that I'm describing inthe podcast, I would actually
have the image of in the podcastplayer.
So you, it wasn't quite videosthat would be very big download

(01:25:39):
sides if, if the videos wereenclosed.
But just being able to see thereference image of what, what
the person's talking about is.

Scott (01:25:47):
Yeah.
Yeah.
I, I really like that idea.
I'm definitely gonna dig intothat.

Gene (01:25:52):
Yeah.
Well, cool.
I I wish you luck and stay intouch.

Scott (01:25:57):
Yeah.
Thanks a lot, Gene.

Gene (01:25:59):
Take care, Scott.

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