0100 Sir Gene Speaks with Dude Named Adam

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Sir Gene (00:00):
We're, we're live on the stream, but let's get

(00:03):
everything ready before we hitthe record button, the podcast,
which, which stream?
The YouTubes stream.
Oh.

Podfather Adam (00:09):
Not, let me send you a link.
You don't stream to no agendastream.

Sir Gene (00:12):
I've never streamed no John the stream, cuz no one
would give me access to it.

What do you mean?
You always stream there withDarren,

Sir Gene (00:17):
Darren streams to it?
Yes.
Darren Streams every day.
But I, I've asked guys to teachme how to get a stream set up.
Oh no.
They

hate you.
They hate you.
Yeah, they do hate me.

Sir Gene (00:26):
I'm banned, you know, I'm banned off irc.
So

how really?
Oh, you knew that?
No, I, I bitched about it.
Believe me.
I don't know this.

Sir Gene (00:35):
I didn't know that.
Like three years ago.

Three years ago.
Oh, you haven't been on sincethen?
No,

Sir Gene (00:39):
no.
It's you know, it was a permaband from my understanding, so I
even tried,

Careful now I'm gonna ban you from no agenda
social.
You, you might, I know youRussian dis disinformation
artist.

Sir Gene (00:51):
this is Sir Gene, and today I have a very special
guest with me, Adam Curry.
I've certainly known Adam forapparently over a decade now.
And I've had many wonderfulconversations with him, today
he's joining me both on audioand video.
So if you're listening to thisin podcast form make sure you
check out the video of this,which will be in the link that's

(01:12):
in the podcast notes.
And if you're watching this wellthen please do sign up for the
podcast as well.
We have plenty of other coolinterviews coming up, and I'll
be talking more about them inthe coming weeks.
Adam, how are you my friend?

I'm good, Gene I am, I'm just gonna put, put up
with the video, as you know.
I, I really despise it.
But you're my friend.
I love you.
And that's and so, you know,anything you ever ask me I would
do for you, I would walk throughover hot

Sir Gene (01:39):
coals for you.
Well, I, I appreciate you sayingthat.
That's that's very

most true.
Most true.
It's true.
We, we've been friends for along time.
Mm-hmm.
And I appreciate yourfriendship.

Sir Gene (01:49):
Thank you.
Well, and I, I, yours obviously,in fact, we even

started a company together.
We did.
And we did.
Yeah.
Didn't go too far, but No, it's,well, I realized more and more
how hard, you know, the hardwareis called hardware for a reason.
It was really hard.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And and I have to say that theoutgrowth of that is now, you
know, seven, eight years later,I'm using the, the road road

(02:11):
Roader Pro two, and that'spretty much what we envisioned.
And so, you know, I'm happy.
It's very similar.
It's, yeah, it's very, it's veryclose to, to what we were
thinking about.
Yeah.
Some other guy actually sent mehold on a second.
Just one second.
I'm here.
Here.
You'll laugh your ass off whenyou see this.
Okay.
Some guy sent me this.
Look at this.
Look at this beauty.

Sir Gene (02:32):
Yes.
And it's open circuit board.
Oh, that looks kind of cool.
A little kind of retro

future.
Yeah.
Well, and yes, so it's twomicrophones.
You can mix in USSB, it canrecord out to U Ussb.
You can record an external ags,you can split the Mic Champ, I
mean mm-hmm.
Pod, pod Mobile is what it'scalled.
Oh, look, there's a QR code,everybody.
Nice.
That's cool.
So this guy that's sent this tome, I'm like, holy shit.
I wanted to show it to youbecause I'm like, oh man, this,

(03:00):
this was kind of the, the firstidea, although we had a
computerized mm-hmm.
he's all analog, which I reallyappreciate.
Right.
Yeah.
We, we had a, a, lemme close.
We had a company and and I, youknow, it was really, it was
really fun doing it.
We, you know, we selected a, abad third partner.
I'll, I'll, I'll take the blamefor.
I'll definitely give it to you,but yes, and so that, so that

(03:20):
didn't work, but it was, we hadfun trying

Sir Gene (03:22):
conceptually.
It was great.
I definitely had a lot of fun ongetting a little deeper into the
hardware side than I've everdone before as well, and do
getting, learning a little bitof CAD to model like the case
and all that stuff.

And was the case was beautiful, man searching to
have at least dials 10 boxesthat look just like it.
Yeah, yeah,

Sir Gene (03:41):
exactly.
Yeah.
So it, it was neat.
And in a lot of ways, eventhough, you know, obviously
we're not making any money offthe roader product, it is cool
to see something actualized inreality that was quite similar
to what we originally createdand were prototyping,

but they, their, their, their retail is 6 99.
We never would've done No, no,no.
I mean, with all the stuff they,they played, we were breaking
even at like 700 bucks.
Yeah, exactly.
Exactly.
It was, it was not anot to Itwas hard.
It was hard.

Sir Gene (04:13):
Yeah.
But still, I mean, the, the factthat there are now devices that
are created specifically forspeech in audio, maybe not just
podcasts, you could certainlyrecord books, audio books with
it as well, things like that.
You could do shows, but, youknow, this was a tiny, tiny
little fragment of the audiomarket because everyone's
creating devices for music,right.

(04:35):
And so I'm like I remember.
In fact, the, the microphonethat I see in front of you and
the one, same one that's infront of me right now
recommended by you.
That's right.
Yep.
That microphone I learned about.
In fact, it was just the re 20now, the three 20 by visiting
talk radio stations going, oh.

(04:55):
So that's how they get thesound.
That's very interesting.
I wanna, right.
I wanna see their whole setup.
Cuz I was always listening totalk radio, but, you know, I
wasn't exposed un until much,much later to the insides of it.
But now it's, it's, you know,selling products that people
actually use for speech is a lotmore common.

(05:15):
But we're not here to talk aboutwhat I know we're here to talk
about.
You

think, I think this was initially developed for
kick drums.

Sir Gene (05:21):
That's how they marketed it.
But the thing is, it's got sucha great profile to it because,
oh yeah.
The r e 20 is just completelyflat.
Right.
And, and the three 20, actuallyit, it, for me anyway, it, it
lets me avoid having to put inan EQ in the.

Oh, well, you know me.
I mean, I iq eq, everything.
Yeah.
I put you know, the compression,my waveforms are flat, you know,
this is my sound.
Mm-hmm.
But I love this because I canspit in it pop by prop,
explosives.
I'm gonna die spitting in thisthing for sure.
This is, I love, and I'd hate tohave to open it up and take a
look at what's inside.
I bet it's really nasty.
That's why I have three of them.

Sir Gene (05:59):
that.
Are you up to three now?
Wow.
Three.

That's impressive.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I thought I blew them up, butactually I didn't blow'em up.
It was faulty cable.
So I had three at a certainpoint, and I've tried other
mics, you know, the classic SMseven, which I've had for ages.
Mm-hmm.
and then that that square beckmicrophone, which was just way
too dynamic.
Hmm.
It looks neat.
It looks very cool.
Actually I use that on the otherside of the desk for, for my

(06:22):
wife, for team.
We, when we Curry and the keeperit's great for her.
Cuz you know, she's like, youknow, like this and, you know,
looking at the iPad, Uhhuh, notso, and it really captures her.
So I'm happy with, and I have anNorman, which I love, but, you
know mm-hmm.
the, the kind of compression Iuse.
It's, you're just sucking, Imean, you're sucking in from
Fredericksburg to Austin.
Every, every dog fart, you know?
So that's just unusable.

Sir Gene (06:43):
Yeah.
Well, it, it's I think youdevelop, and I mean this, like,
this mic is, I think my fourthor fifth mic that I bought in
testing different mics to seewhich ones I like the sound of
the most.
Mm-hmm.
and I, I haven't looked backafter I got this one, I was
like, holy cow.
That's the one I'm stickingwith.
Yeah.
This is the gene sound comingout of this mic

for sure.
Yeah.
You got got a real slow noisegate on it, which I kind of
like.
Mm-hmm.
it's kind of nice for you.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah, I like that.
Although I, I do hear some like,fizzy, like a l e D or
something.
I hear a very light ground loop.
I hear something reallyinteresting.
Mm-hmm.
Yep.
I'm super sensitive to thatshit, so, yeah.
Yeah,

Sir Gene (07:23):
yeah.
No, that's good.
Well, oh, that's one thing, andI'm gonna have you do this while
we're talking.
I, I probably should have donethis before we hit the record
button, but too bad it's gonnabe in the podcast.
Hit your settings button therein the software that you're in.
Should be a little spinning gearlooking thing on the, towards
the bottom of the sCurry n.
Oh, bottom of the sCurry n.

(07:44):
Yeah.
Do you see a little spinninggear?

Oh, yes.
Here in the middle of the sCurryn.

Sir Gene (07:48):
Yeah.
Okay.
Yeah.
Do you want me to do, yeah.
Click that, go to audio and thenselect advanced and make sure
that the high quality audio is

turned on.
Now do you have, do you have myvideo running?
You see my video, right?
Oh, yeah.
Let's see.
Advanced.
What do you want?
High quality or on or off on?
Is it honorary high resolutionaudio?
Do you want stereo?
Yes.

Sir Gene (08:09):
Don't need stereo

echo.
Unless you're gonna, unlessyou're gonna say or anything.
Noise suppression is off.
Yeah.
All that stuff should be offauto gain control.
I'll leave on, I guess, Iusually turn

Sir Gene (08:17):
that off.
Oh, let's turn it off.
Hey, hey.
Somebody just did a$33 and 33cent donation look.
Oh, is that super chat best?
Yeah.
Super chat.
Best podcast in the universe.
No agenda.
Sorry.
A lifetime dirt bag for notdonating to them.
Oh.
Gotta work on, Hey.
Getting a knighthood I

guess.
Some dangerous, hold on.
You've been deuced, you've beendeduced nice.

Sir Gene (08:40):
That a live d douching on the air.
30 threes some magic number.
Gotta love it.
There's probably a lot of peoplethat are watching right now that
are, have not been listeners ofno agenda.
They're going, what

the hell just happened?
I doubt it.
Everyone listens to no agenda.
What are you talking about?
We're bad guys.
Do you have a pretty

Sir Gene (08:57):
wide

reach?
That's true.
That is very true.
You know, so there's, there'sthis open source as part of
podcasting, two point ohs, anopen source stats system.
Mm-hmm.
that was put up by JohnSperlock, who's a ex Silicon
Valley guy, lives in Dallas.
You know, basically quit and,you know, to see what he could
do to move podcasting forward.
And he created this op p threedot org or OP three.dev and it's

(09:20):
open open stats and it's reallygood.
So it's not like, you know, itgoes way beyond the IAB
certification where, you know,one second of audio is a full
download and all that horseshit.
And it looks like we have onaverage about 850,000 people
listening to any, any no agendaepisode.
Mm-hmm.
which I think is pretty good.
Yeah.

(09:41):
You know, we could make moneywith advertising without
audience.

Sir Gene (09:44):
Well, you could have done that a long time ago, but
the more important way to makemoney is by.
From, of course, a list or theproducer, you

guys call'em producers.
Yes.
We, we would've been along offthe air if we had taken
Advertis.
Yes.
We wouldn't have been, itwould've not worked.
I would've

Sir Gene (09:59):
said that was, man, you would've run out of gold and
VPNs

to sell gold or mattresses or what else?
Uh, Pillows.
Yes.
Square Squarespace.
Squarespace, back in the day.
Squarespace, Squarespace.
And uh, exactly what TommyJohn's.
Although I would've loved tohave sell some flashlights, that
would've been a cool one to do.
Yeah.

Sir Gene (10:17):
Yeah.
That's kind of what you'redrinking out of right now.
Hmm.
For people that don't havevideo, you're missing out, guys,
you're missing out.
You gotta watch the video

portion of it.
Every, every appearance I do.
I take one with me.
Do you?
You're nice.
Yeah.
Gotta bring the fleshlight.
That's right.
That's not a flashlight but

Sir Gene (10:33):
I don't, oh, I don't know.
It looks like one, I don't know.
You're holding there But now theother question I'm sure some
people have is you're, that thatvape thing you're puffing on is
huge.
What is that?
Yes.

Well, so the, this is a geek vape, but it's it
is really more about the, the,the tank.
Mm-hmm.
because it's, it's a rebuild.
So I stopped smoking.
I, I, I've been a smoker all mylife since I was 13.
And the last probably.
15 years or so.
Mm.
Maybe less.
I, I was really smoking, youknow, more marijuana, but I'd

(11:10):
mix it up with with tobacco fromtimes.
It also like gives you like alittle extra, A little extra, a
little nicotine buzz.
Yeah.
A little nicotine buzz.
And I, I microdose all day longwaken bake to, to, you know,
before I go to bed and just kindof like, you know, it was, it
was, I don't know.
It, it, my culture in theNetherlands, you know, is kind
of where I came from and I neverreally gave that up until

(11:31):
November, end of November.
And I had to have this oralprocedure done, which, you know,
we can get into if you want.
I had two surgery the boneossification, so have, I've been
regrowing bro bones since theend of November.
Mm-hmm.
and my periodontist, you know, Igot a great team.
One guy does all the, the prettystuff and mm-hmm.
another guy does all the surgerystuff.
And who's also a pilot, we'renow kind of buddies.

(11:53):
We're actually, we have buddies.
And he said you know, like aweek before the surgery, he
calls me up, says Adam dude,like, just, you know, I, I
really want this to besuccessful and and I want it to
be easy for me and easy for youwith the, with the healing.
So you've gotta stop puttingfucking fire in your mouth.
I'm like, oh, okay.
Okay.
And so I stopped and I quit andI, and I, I have not really,

(12:14):
I've not smoked it all sincethen.
I have an actual vaporizer,which doesn't burn the flower,
but it heats it up and, youknow, and it gets 185 degrees.
And then it's kind of like oneof those vaporizers with the big
plastic

Sir Gene (12:25):
bag only.
It's small.
This is like a smolder insteadof a fire kind of thing.
Correct,

yeah.
And then it, and it cools downso you can, you know, just
you're inhaling like a very,very cool stream of you know, a
vapor.
But even that for some reasons,it's like, I don't know, I just,
I quit almost all together and Ifind out I'd get a lot more done
in my day.
Shocker.
Go figure.
I, you know, I also got, I was,I, I set up this software called

(12:49):
Trillium.
I dunno if you've ever heard ofit.
Mm-hmm.
But Trillium is it's open sourcepackage and it's like this
database for the front end.
You run it on your, on your homeserver, and you can have a
client for it or a web client.
And it's really an outliner,which I love.
It organizes your day with to-dolist.
It's completely integrated.
So I was so distracted bysetting that up at the same

(13:09):
time, I, I never even had likea, oh man, I wish I could have a
smoke.
And so, yeah, I don't know.
It's it's just gone.
No one's complained.
It doesn't seem like, I'm lessentertaining or you know, if
anything, I'm, I'm probablycalmer than I was.
But yeah, so, so yeah.
So the back to the vape the vapeshop in Fredericksburg, Texas,
where I live in Hill Country iscalled Vape.
Jerry and Kathy run it.

(13:30):
They're, you know, they're old,like, they're probably in the
witness protection program,they're in their mid sixties,
and they started a, a real vapeshop.
So not with, you know, jewels orany of that crap but with, you
know, only organic, you know,real nicotine, no, no, no funky
flavors except for, you know,all tobacco derivatives.
And they started that to helppeople smell, well, I can't get
bubble

Sir Gene (13:50):
gum there.
Is this what?

Saying?
No, no, absolutely not.
And so this one, you actuallyrebuild it, you, you wind the
coil yourself.
You put the cotton in.
So instead of, you know, mostpeople get a tank and it's, they
put an element in, it's fromChina, who the hell knows what's
in it.
You know, it gets all nasty andyou just don't know.
So I figured if I'm gonna dothis anyway, I'm gonna do it
right.
And it's a nice ritual, youknow, whereas rolling, rolling

(14:13):
a, a joint used to be, I mean, Icould roll him with my left hand
behind my back while driving Ithink I've seen you do that
Yeah.
Probably have you know, the likean old school where, you know,
papa has to clean his pipe oncea week, you know, so I, I sit
down, I got all my gear and I,and my tools and I, and make the
coil, you don't have to windonce a week mm-hmm.
but put new cotton in it.
And, you know, this one hastemperature control, so it heats

(14:34):
up slowly to 425 degrees over aten second period at 14 watts.
I mean, it's completelyconfigurable.
Mm-hmm.
And it looks like a little robopenis uncircumcised.
So let me just

Sir Gene (14:45):
suck on it.
Uhhuh.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
No, that's cool.
Well, and you know, my, my wholestory with the THC is that I, I
did a test, a very scientifictest.
Yeah.
You

need like a hundred, a hundred grams before
you get stone Yeah, exactly.
I, I gotta tell you, so I didthis procedure and it turns out
if you have redhead red hair inthe family mm-hmm.
or, you know, anything Irish,you have a very huge tolerance.
Mm-hmm.
So this was a five and a halfhour procedure, and they knocked
me out with medical fentanyl.
Mm-hmm.

(15:18):
and I kept waking up.
Oh man.
Well, no, it's okay.
I mean, you're all, it just a,it's like, it's just to put you
to sleep.
It's not like, like, like youcan feel stuff though.
No, no, no, no, no, no.
They shoot shot me up with Novaor Lidocaine everywhere.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But I kept waking up.
Hey, and I come talk, talk,talk, knocking my teeth out, you
know, or something like that.
Mm-hmm.
I'm like, and they, and, and youknow, I wanna scratch my chin

(15:39):
with my left hand.
Like sure, someone slaps my handdown, give him more He said, we
gave you enough to put down anelephant, you just kept coming
back.
So, you know, Uhhuh, I have to,I have high tolerance for that.
And yeah, although if I, if I,if I vape some weed now, I, I
get pretty loopy pretty quick.
Cuz you know, that tolerancegoes away pretty

Sir Gene (15:57):
quick.
Just, just from not

doing it for a while.
Yeah, yeah.
No, but with you, it's like, Ithink you would literally have
to, it doesn't start with youuntil like a hundred milligrams,
right?
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's

Sir Gene (16:05):
crazy.
Yeah.
And then, and my, my, when Ifinally got to that point where
it was noticeable, you know, Irealized like I'm having less
fun playing video games cuz I'mnot as good at it.
My focus and concentration arenot where I wanna be.
I'm like, why the fuck do peopledo this?
This makes no

sense to me.
That's, that's the desired toaffect Gene.
What, what's your problem?

Sir Gene (16:23):
That's the whole, that's the opposite of what

I want.
No, well then don't do it.
Well

Sir Gene (16:27):
and you know else, Coke is good.
I will say that.
It's just not healthy.
Don't do Coke.

But it does have a desired effect.
Not, not my drug brother.
Not my drug.
No, not my drug at all.
No

Sir Gene (16:38):
Well, I, yeah, I mean I can't do it for obvious
reasons cuz I don't want to be aJohn Candy, but, uh Right.
Yeah, it's uh, it's for sure itdoes work.
Just don't do it.
Kids.
So let's talk about podcasting2.0.
That's a big topic and obviouslysomething that you are at the
very core of.
As a super fast, like threesentence refresher.
Tell people about podcasting 1.0and how that came about.

(17:01):
And then let's jump ontopodcasting 2.0.

Podcasting 1.0 really started in 2000.
Dave Weiner was buildingsoftware for web logs which I
would say he invented.
You know, he, he took a formatcalled RSS and really turned it
into rss, what as we know ittoday.
Mm-hmm.
And it would, and that, that'sused to syndicate content,
syndicate blogs.
And he had this very interestingproduct called Radio User Land.

(17:26):
And it was a little server thatyou ran on your, on your laptop.
We didn't have phones then oranything like that.
And so you opened up a browserjust accessing this, this server
on your own computer, and youcould write blog posts and then
post that to a server somewhere.
You know, like just a regularold hosting thing.
Just something you dropped afile in.
And you could also subscribe toother blogs with an aggregator,

(17:47):
an RSS aggregator.
And I was really enamored by theconcept.
And I used that pr I like, it'scalled Radioland, you know, it's
like, oh, this, it, you know,it's like everyone has their own
little radio station.
I didn't really quite connectall the pieces yet because what
it didn't have was an enclosure.
It didn't have a way to attach afile to it.
And at the time I had this in,actually it's a blog post I

(18:07):
wrote called the Last Yard Ithink, or the Last Mile,
whatever it was.
It's out there still.
And I was in Amsterdam.
It was around 2000 and we hadone of the first countries to
get cable modems.
And the idea of a cable modemwas revolutionary.
Not of people, not a lot ofpeople will remember it, but you
had to dial up, you know, in,you know, just tie up your phone
line and your fax line to get onthe internet.

(18:28):
And now you didn't have to dothat.
It wasn't particularly fast oranything like that, but at least
you didn't have to dial upanymore.
Mm-hmm.
And that was prettyrevolutionary cuz the, the
computer was just on, you couldgo there, but if you wanted to
watch video, which is what I waslooking at the time it would,
the experience would be click,you wait for five minutes, you
know, then it would, and thiswas real video, so it wasn't

(18:48):
even really streaming, it wasjust a very highly compressed
thing.
It download, you'd click it, itopen up, it, open up another
application, and then it wouldplace some shitty video for a
minute.
And and I, and I thought, youknow, why don't we, there's no
need to do this live in realtime.
What if the computer alreadyknew what you wanted and it was
downloading stuff in thebackground And then when it had

(19:10):
it downloaded, that's when ittold you there was something
new.
I'm like, oh.
And then you click on it, you'llhave, at least, you'll have an
immediate experience and youcould do, you know, high, you
know, big file sizes cuz youwouldn't know anyway that it was
doing this in the back.
And for my broadcast experience,I knew that, you know, like the
six o'clock news, it's not alllive at that minute.
You know, packages have beendone a week before.

(19:30):
The stuff that was done theafternoon, you know, is really
the host that sits there androlls it all out, live in one
sequence.
Mm-hmm.
and so I flew to New York.
I convinced him to build thatand and that, that's what
created RSS 2.0, which includesthe attachment.
And we were happily using thatfor a couple.
1.8, no, no, no, no.
RSS 2.00.

Sir Gene (19:50):
RSS two point ohs.
Right.
Wait, okay.
Not podcasting 2.0.

RS podcast didn't exist.
The word didn't exist theconcept until I saw my first
iPod in 2003 and I looked atthis thing, you remember it was
the big one or the hard drive init.
It had that kind of mm-hmm.
beautiful white finish.
It had the big dial on the frontand looked like a bar of soap.
But, well, to me it looked likethe Sony AM transistor solid

(20:15):
State Radio.
My grandmother had given me whenI was seven, which had a nine
volt battery.
And I looked at this thing andwent radio, not Jute jukebox or
Digital Walkman.
Mm-hmm.
I said, this is a radio.
And then I saw the mechanism atthe time you had to push it into
its doc and it would synchronizewith iTunes and it would put
everything from your computer.
It would sync it up, basically.

(20:37):
And so that's when I said aboutbuilding in AppleScript,
something called the iPod Scriptthat would subscribe to one, one
po.
It wasn't, we didn't have a namefor it, but one feed, and that
was my.
So when I published a new MP3 atthe time, then it would detect
this, but it would be pollingthe whole time and it would pull
it down to my computer my Mac,and then it would, once it was

(20:59):
down, it would synchronize tothe iPod and it would put it
there right in its own littleplaylist, which at the time was
Daily Source code.
And it would list, you know,every single new show.
There it is.
There's the old school one.
Mm-hmm.
And, and this, this was like,holy crap.
This was a no-brainer to me.
And so once I had that, I putthe word out on my blog.
I said, I need developers.
I'm not a developer, but here'sthe concept.

(21:20):
And we need applications thatcan do this.
And to help y'all, I'm going todo a, a show.
I just call it a show every day.
I'll release it in my feed as anmp3.
And it was called the DailySource Code.
And all I did was talk about thedevelopment of these
applications.
And so we had IPO X, we had, youknow, ipo, lemon, we had all
these different versions forWindows, for Mac and for Unix, I

(21:43):
built a little directory, whichit was@ipo.org, which was in
itself kind of revolutionary cuzit was a, a, a world outline.
It was outliners that were alllinked together.
You know, we had, I don't know,about 4,000 podcasts, but I was
doing interviews and just was reit just, it, it clicked.
Mm-hmm.
for some reason and was really.
It was like W G B H, Tony Kahn,who started putting NPR content

(22:05):
on there.
The b BBC grasped very early.
And I was, I I, I moved to theUK around this time, so I was
there and I could do interviewsand then I got a call from Steve
Jobs, oh, actually from Eddie Q.
And he says, do you have time tomeet Steve in like 2005, 2006?
And I'm like, well, yeah, yeah,maybe lemme check my calendar.
And that, and from that was thelaunch of of podcasting in in

(22:29):
iTunes.
And after that, I mean, justtook off, you know, it was just
big.
Yeah.
So now we'll move forward.
A lot of things happened.
In fact it was a podcasting was,was the darling, was the hottest
shit.
But then things turned, and acouple things happened.
One, our biggest so-calledcompetitor Odio flipped the
script and they closed as apodcast creation and listening

(22:50):
platform.
Mm-hmm.
and became Twitter, literallyusing the published subscribe
mechanism of podcastinginitially, which is why, you
know, it didn't work very well.
We had the Twitter fail.
Well because the podcasting RSSecosystem is not really meant to
be centralized.
It's meant to be completelydecentralized.
But then we also got Facebookand then YouTube and YouTube
came in with, you know, like themillion, the billion dollar

(23:12):
price tag.
And it was anybody could, youknow, it was free.
You could, you could uploadvideo for free.
And to this day, of course,that's still the.
Which is really the big, the bigbeauty of, of YouTube is doesn't
cost you anything to, to dowhatever you want.
And that pushed podcasting downto page five, below the fold, no
one cared.
We had what else did we have?
Pandora, you know, the phase outof Napster.

(23:35):
Mm-hmm.
So really, but meanwhile,podcasting did just kind of
trickle along, you know, growinga little, maybe four or 5% of
the year until what, 20 14, 2015 when Serial came out.
Which was, you know, a TrueCrime podcast.
And it did.
And it's just one of those magicmoments where everybody had just
been binging their asses off onstreaming, like basically

(23:55):
Netflix.
And oh man, I watched all 18seasons of Breaking Bad last
weekend.
You know, eyes like this, youknow, house of Cars, it was all
being released.
You could, you could binge itall in One Go and Serial came
out, which is, you know, truecrime is very compelling,
certainly to American audience.
I think it's still the numberone category or number close to
it.
And and you could not binge itunless you waited for the whole

(24:18):
series to play out, right?
So you could catch up with likethree episodes, but you had to
wait until next week to hearwhat happened.
And that was the revolution.
People were like, what do youthink has happened?
They, you know, it was watercooler talk and that just
launched everything back intothe stratosphere and it was
going great.
I mean, it was really, reallyrocking along.

(24:40):
But Apple had kind of become thedefault on-ramp for podcasting.
Like you had to be, you had tobe in iTunes.
Yeah.
And that had two reasons.
One, they, they were the leaderwhere the iPhone had now come
out and, you know, you had thepodcast app on on the iPhone

Sir Gene (24:55):
but also, and you could finally get podcasts
without using iTunes.
You could do it from the phone

direct.
Correct.
All, all, all great stuff.
Mm-hmm.
But more importantly for, forreasons that it was really their
own issue of how their ownpodcast app Any other
independent podcast app wasusing the Apple directory, which
was open and, and was free tothem, um mm-hmm.
So, you know, always be wary offree And at a certain point, a

(25:22):
couple things happened.
It was March 2020.
Mm-hmm.
they started taking people off.
There was a coordinated effortand the coordinated effort
happened amongst all SiliconValley companies.
Apple, Facebook, Google.
And they took off Alex Jones theX 22 report.
You know, just whatever, justsome, some nut job conspiracy

(25:43):
podcast, who gives a shit now,took it off, but when you take
it off the Apple Podcastinfrastructure, it went away
from Overcast and podcast.
Yeah.
Addict and everything else.
Cuz that's what those guys wereusing.
And that to me was like, hold ona second, we, Houston, we have a
problem.
So I called up my buddy DaveJones, who we've been tinkering
with stuff for 10 years at thetime now, you know, and we've

(26:05):
been friends, you know, justtrying to build stupid shit that
we liked and wound up usingourselves, you know, and we,
we've, you know, I would have anidea every other year, like,
Hey, let's, and Dave would go,okay, let's build it.
So now I called up and I said,Hey we're gonna put together our
own index.
We'll have an api which is freefor developers to use, we'll
fund it, value for value, whichat this time no agenda had

(26:27):
really perfected the, the valuefor value idea.
Mm-hmm.
where you have the, the, in ourcase, producers supporting the
show.
So I figured, you know, it's notgonna be that expensive to spin
this up over time as more andmore people use it, we'll have
to do better in our, in ourincome stream.
And at the same time, it alsofound found the Lightning
network, which is this, I callit Venmo for Bitcoin.

(26:49):
So you can do really fasttransactions very efficiently,
cheaply which is all relative,of course.
It's ama and any of thesetechnologies is amazing that it
works at all.
And I said, and we're gonna bakethis in so that so we can have a
real time value for valueexchange.
Someone can say, I want to paythis give this podcast a dollar
an hour.

(27:09):
And the minute you press play,it starts spitting, you know,
permit a 60th of a dollar every,every minute back to the
podcaster.
And from.
Came a number of things, whichis booster grams, which is very
similar to the YouTube SuperChat.
But also because just bytechnical definition of how you
add this to, to RSS in a namespace came the podcast

(27:32):
namespace.
And what I didn't realize isthat for 10 years, the podcast
industry had just been in iron,just blocked because no features
would be added unless Appleadded it.
So if Apple didn't add it, thenall the smaller guys couldn't
use it.
No one could have thosefeatures.
So everyone basically sit aroundand go, fuck Apple man, no, we

(27:53):
can't do that.
Apple's not going to do blah,blah.
And they had academies andsteering committees and
nonprofits that were funded to,to convince Apple and to move
podcasting forward.
And all it really took was justa couple of yahoos, like Adam
and a have to sit down and justdo it, and we just did it.
Mm-hmm.
And this, this, this, it was theuncorking of developer
creativity.

(28:13):
They just all flew in like, holycrap, I've been waiting to do
this and I have this businessand that business and this thing
I wanna do.
And that's when I came up withthis idea of the splits.
And this was, I think this isthe revolution that is in
podcasting 2.0.
Which is completely compatiblewith any podcast at 2.0.
App works with any old legacyfeed and, and the new feeds work

(28:37):
in legacy apps is that you asthe podcaster can determine that
a percentage of what you aregiven through streaming value
for value or boosto grams can goto anyone you want in any
percentage.
And that way we could cut in theapp developers who'd never been
in the money flow.
You know, Joe Rogan before hewent to Spotify, his mi millions

(28:59):
of dollars, you know, podcastaddict didn't get any of that.
Those guys were relegated togiving it away for free and the
app store and then hoping to geta dollar 99 a month maybe for
some premium features.
And now all of a sudden theycould say, well, I'm gonna take
2% of this, and it's alltransparent.
So everybody knows, and now wesee this ecosystem of new apps,

(29:20):
which are, you know, theyactually can hire an extra
developer.
They, you know mm-hmm.
there, there's a money flow thatalso enables investors to come
in and say, oh, I can see you'reactually making money with this.
It's not a lot right now, but,you know, that'll grow over
time.
So a whole new industry wasborn, which was perfect timing

(29:41):
because the podcast industrialcomplex, which is this, you
know, go to podcast movement andany of these bullshit
conferences where it's basicallybig companies spending weight or
they were spending way too muchmoney as kind of an E S G.
Checkbox, like, oh, I need to Ican fund a Bipo podcast and, you
know, L G B T Q podcast andmm-hmm a global, a global

(30:03):
warming podcast.
And so as money flowing aroundeverywhere, ridiculous amounts,
then we got Spotify overspendingon all kinds of podcast
companies.
And as you've known me longenough, the golden rule that I
learned in 2006 with the companypod show, which I raised, can't
monetize network, 5 million,can't monetize the network.

(30:23):
I raised 65 million.
It, it, it never returned to theinvestors.
And I realized after 10 yearsthe mistake was, it just doesn't
work that way with decentralizedmedia.
And so now as people arecrapping out on the vine,
because the free money ride isover, the advertising is
severely suppressed it's thefirst thing to go always is the

(30:43):
marketing money.
Now people are looking for ways,if they're really serious about
podcasting to make it work forthem.
And turns out the value forvalue concept with 2.0 is a
great way to do it.
Yeah, absolutely.
And that wasn't short, but atleast I got it all in in

Sir Gene (30:59):
one go.
No, you got, and now you cantake a breath.
No, that was awesome.
I think it gives a good historyof kind of how you got here,
which is really veryorganically.
I mean, everything you've done,you've done out of your own
personal interest.
Yes.
And I, I believe selfishness isthe key to innovation.
When people wanna do things, tomake it things easier for
themselves, it makes it easierfor others.

(31:22):
And it quite often ends upcreating something that wouldn't
have existed otherwise.

I have a little different take on it all these
years later.
Mm-hmm.
I always used to wonder like,the rap guys would win an award,
and they always say, and I wannathank God.
And I'm like, yeah, I'm prettysure that was used for this
this, this was my mission forwhatever reason.
This is what I was supposed todo.
Mm-hmm.
And and I if anything I, I can,I can motivate people, I can be
enthusiastic, I can, you know,the podcasting 2.0 developers

(31:51):
and I set up a Mastodon forthat.
You know, we have a GitHub, butI find it so boring, you know,
you can't really have adiscussion.
In fact, that always results inpeople fighting and bitching
Always.
Why have Yeah.
Always and then we fork it off.
I'm gonna fork and we'll leaveyou.
Yeah, yeah.
So we have this podcasting.
Yeah.
Right.
Podcast index.social, which is,it's social, you know, so we
throw ideas around and just likeone, 1.0, we have a podcast we

(32:15):
do every Friday.
Mm-hmm.
and is it's podcasting 2.0.
We call it the board meeting.
And we literally talk about thedevelopment we're doing, and so.
You know, we have a band andit's, it's an orchestra and we
got a guy with a banjo, awashboard, a triangle, electric
guitar, you know, a guy whodrums, you know, with one stick.
I mean, it's all these differentpieces and you know, you just

(32:37):
kind of, you know, just talkabout everybody.
It's easy, you know, and thenmm-hmm.
or bring someone in and we havein the board meeting and we'll
talk about what they're doing.
And again, I am really convincedthat even though it's not that
much, although it is kind ofmoving along now the fact that
everybody can participate inthe, in the flow of the value

(32:59):
there comes back.
So actual little bits of Bitcoinin Satoshi that I think is, is
what, what strings it alltogether.
I think that is somehow themotivator.
Cuz anyone, anybody can, can geta piece of that with any project
they're doing.

Sir Gene (33:17):
Yeah.
And talk a little more about,like, you mentioned the split,
but just for people that haven'tused podcasting 2.0 apps, which
by the way, I went in and lookedat the apps.
Now it's gotta be pushing ahundred at this point.
I mean, it's a huge list.

I think it's 73 apps and services.
Okay.
That that use it.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's at new podcast apps.com.
You can see you can sit there,you can filter it by hosting
companies or by apps.
It's interesting because Right,finally people are starting.
Experiment a little bit withdifferent experiences, so not
the typical, you know, inbox,here's what I've listened to,

(33:52):
you know?
Mm-hmm.
here's what I subscribe to usingit in different ways, and I'm
seeing like no agenda show.net,our website, which is built by
Tim CodeMonkey all of our stuffis done by our producers, you
know, and they, he manages thatcompletely himself.
He has all these 2.0 features,like chapters and transcripts
and all the, and location andguests and all of this stuff has

(34:13):
now been pulled into that.
So we're seeing it.
It really, because it's RSSspreading everywhere in all
these different cool ways.
I'm sorry.
You're, how, I'm not sure howthat relates to splits.
If, if you want to

Sir Gene (34:24):
ask Yeah.
I we're talking about splits,but the idea is, the cool part
of it is with the RSS beingbackwards compatible, somebody
could be using the Built-inApple app right now, download
one of the podcasting 2.0compatible apps.
Mm-hmm.
or Reload their same RS lists ofpodcasts.
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
in fact, I think you can exportthat through an OML file or

(34:46):
something.
Opm.
Op P M L.
Op.
P m L, yeah.
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
And and then have a whole newexperience that includes inter
more interactive type featuresin ability to send.
Satoshi's back, the ability toview images that are embedded in
different chapters, havingchapters at all.
Yeah.

There's, there's a big transcripts, trans,
there's a, there's a big onenow, which is cross app
comments, and I'm very excitedabout this has been very hard to
get this to work.
But we're almost there.
And the Id thanks actually tothe Big Mastodon push you know,
with the, with the journalistsleaving Twitter in a huff, but
they didn't really but, okay.
So, but thanks to them talkingabout Mastodon, Mastodon,

(35:27):
Mastodon under the Hood andMastodon, which, you know, is
just a client for what needs tobe used to be known as oo social
is activity pub.
And Activity Pub is, you know,it's a published subscribe
mechanism, which no surpriseworks like everything else.
It all works like emailultimately.
And so now you can make acomment on one app and you can

(35:50):
read it and comment on that verypost in, in any other app.
And this is, this is what'sreally cool because you don't
just have to be on the same appor the same, you know,
commenting service.
Mm-hmm.
or good pods or whatever.
You can do it right there in theapp.
And that's, I would say that isthe big aha moment.

(36:10):
Like, aha, but duh.
As long as there's no friction.
So you can send a booster gramto just like, the super chats
we're seeing come in right fromwhere you're listening to the
episode.
Mm-hmm.
you can make the comment rightthere.
You don't have to go with every,everything is contained in app
and we've now perfectedsomething we call Lit, which

(36:31):
stands for live item tag, andthat is essentially YouTube
live.
So mm-hmm.
the app will alert you when,when when Grif cast is going
live.
You open it up, chatroom'sthere, live video stream is
there and your boosto grams,which is equivalent to Super
Chat.
And we've been doing that withaudio for about half a year now.
And now we're we're succeeding.

(36:51):
And Pod verse is the first onethat does it pretty much
perfectly because you have thisHLC video format or video trans
transport, which is chunks ofvideo.
And we don't have to get intoit.
But you know, so this isn't, we,we intend to provide an
alternative.
To YouTube live, unfortunatelynot with the with the free video

(37:13):
hosting.
But there's a solution for that,which Alex Gates has been
working on it, no agenda tomm-hmm.
And that's the web torrent.
So, the minute you pick up thelive stream, you are in essence
relaying it to the next personwho's watching the live stream.
So it's completely, again,almost completely decentralized.
Decentralized is right.
Yeah.
Fuck centralization.

(37:34):
It's failed.
It doesn't work.
This is, we know this and if itdoes work, then you're heavily
censored that that's theproblem.
And it's all advertising.
That's the biggest problem.

Sir Gene (37:45):
Yeah, no, that's absolutely true.
And, and definitely I wannashout out Alex cuz he was one of
the first guys I interviewed onthis podcast.
Yeah.
And he's like the most quietkind of demure guy that is just
a genius.
He, he, he just sees a problem,goes, oh, well here's how you
fix that.
Here, here's the solution.

He's a gene.
He is a certified Yeah, he'slike 24.
Yeah.
Certified.
Certified genius.
I know that's blown away by him.
And we call him the podcasting2.0 consultant.
Everybody has a nickname.
Everybody has a nickname in ourworld.

Sir Gene (38:14):
No, it's very cool.
And this is, I mean, like yousaid, you were kind of like your
mission, but you've, you'vedefinitely taken the deep dive
into it.
You do a lot of podcasts and Ido, in fact, why don't you name
all the podcasts you currently

do?
Yeah, I do.
Too many.
But it's cuz I really love them.
So no agenda.
Is the one that I do Sundays andThursdays.
We do it live but it, it is anEssence podcast.
It's, it's audio only, will onlybe audio.
It's about three, three and ahalf hours long, completely
supported through the value forvalue model.
All, all my podcasts are mm-hmm,So that's Sundays and Thursdays.
On Wednesdays I alternate.

(38:48):
I try to do MoFA, which is twoAmerican guys sit down.
And we talk about what's reallygoing on in the world,
particularly from a racialstandpoint.
Moe's black Adams are white.
We're both American dudes.
We turns out we have a lot morein common than we don't.
But we learn a lot.
And certainly the first 80episodes has been a lot more of
me learning.
Moe really puts it together.

(39:08):
I thought I was pretty cluedinto the world and certainly
that I, you know, I know I'm nota racist but when you really go
through some historical factsand and just learn from another
guy's experience, There's stilla lot of really fucked up shit
that is just mind boggling.
And I learn a lot.

(39:28):
You know, it's like MartinLuther King.
No, no, no.
It would be Malcolm X.
That's the guy you want.
You know, there's a lot of, alot of horse shit going on in
the, in the Black Americancommunity, which really is, is
equally as bad for blackAmericans as anything else is
happening.
And so that to me is like goingto school.
You know?
I love that.
Moses Christian.
So we, we come at it from aninteresting angle together.

(39:50):
And it's not always easy to getthat podcast done.
And we, the, the schedule ischallenging.
It's challenging for him for amultitude of reasons.
Also.
It seems sometimes like, youknow, the, some force just
doesn't want us to do it.
I mean, if you've ever listenedto the Bruce Springsteen, Barack
Obama podcast, they ripped theidea off from us and they did a
shitty job.
I mean, it's really good.

(40:10):
And you learn things you neverheard before.
Like Rosa Parks was basicallythe marketing version of the
real thing.
I mean, there's a lot of stuff.
And, and even Kanye, you know,Moe, Moe has been able to
explain Kanye very well and theage old struggle between black
Americans and Jewish Americans.
There's a lot of stuff that isjust not explained very well.
And he, he has an interestingtake at the same time.

(40:33):
We learn that a lot of the, alot of situations are completely
unnecessary because he thoughthe knew what I was thinking as a
white man.
And I thought I knew what he wasthinking as a black man.
And it turns out, no, it wascompletely stupid.
It was exactly the opposite.
And we were actually on the samepage.
So how society has, has reallydone a number on us on purpose.
And so we alternate that forsure every 14 days I do Curry in

(40:54):
the Keeper with with Tina, mywife.
And you know, that really I needto thank you because she started
with her first interview thatshe had done.
She now she's a nonprofit maven.
She's been in nonprofit, runningnonprofit and doing
communications for most of herprofessional life.
Most recently Ronald McDonaldHouse Charities of Central
Texas.
And she's now, as we say,semiretired from corporate life.

(41:16):
And you wanted to interview herand she was really nervous about
it.
And she's like, why does, no onecares about me?
Why does anyone want tointerview me?
And I said, cuz you'reinteresting.
And she's, nah, I'm not.
I said, well, I think you are.
You know, I married you, youknow, I didn't, wouldn't marry
you.
Well, I did marry her for hermoney, but still, you know, and,
and she found out that, oh, Iactually have stuff to say.

(41:36):
I said, yes, you do.
And it was probably also thatyou and I were talking, you
know, succession planning.
Like I need to, I need a backupplan, I need an exit plan.
And that plan is Curry in thekeeper.
So we, we we do a show once onceevery 14 days.
It's about an hour and 15minutes.
And, you know, some really coolthings have come out of that.
It's also valuable value.

(41:58):
We get a lot of wine, a lot ofexpensive wine much more value
than the Satoshis we get.
But, you know, still it hasabout 9,000 people that listen
on a regular basis and growing.
And it's it's brought a lot offun people into our lives and a
lot of joy.
And it's really fun.
I knew, and this is what I knewfrom I used to be a Howard Stern
fan before he went all, youknow, woke.

(42:20):
And you know, he was totally youknow, he was the, you know,
against the man.
And I loved how he interviewedpeople.
And he would have his wife atthe time, Alison would come on
and he would say, if you canjust be honest, it'd be really
cool.
Just answer me honest.
And she could never do thatbecause she had to do all
showbiz type answers mm-hmm.
and be very cagey.
And I knew that, you know, Tinaand I could probably do this.

(42:42):
We can, we can really speak openand honestly about our lives and
what's happening and ourrelationship.
And it really struck a chordreally quickly with people.
And so that's a very successfulstartup.
And then the fourth one ispodcasting 2.0, which we do on
Fridays.
And that's about it's about anhour and a half, two hours,
which is the update of of what'shappening with podcasting 2.0.

(43:04):
Yeah.

Sir Gene (43:05):
So, I, I gotta ask, because I've think I've asked
the last time I interview are wegonna get any, even just one
more episode of Daily Source.

You know, the problem with Daily Source Code
is, and that show really morphedover the years into something
completely different.
And I really, a big part of itwas music and, you know, just, I
didn't wanna be made an exampleof you know, by playing licensed
music or anything like that.
And so I, I really just had tostop.
What, what, what is interestingthough is that the index, as

(43:39):
I'm, I will rebrand iteventually.
Mm-hmm.
The index is now being set upfor exactly that.
So musicians are circumventingthe the traditional system.
They're going to places likewave Lake wave Lake, w a v l a k
e who are now allowing you torelease your music with, with
with the value block, with avalue for value built in with

(44:01):
Split.
So you can actually in real timebe paying the writer, the
composer, the, the bass player,the drummer, the singer, the
roadie, you know, mom whoinvested in the, in the van,
whatever.
And so now people are buildingapps for that, specifically for
that.
And it'll work exactly the sameway.
And I think we could do this, wecould do it for PDFs for books,
you know, this is a much biggerrevolution.

(44:23):
And that to me, that really isvalue for value.
Even set up a website, value forvalue.info value number four,
value.info that explains theconcept and has pointers to
different places where, wherethis is happening.
And I think that is the way ofthe future for for products that
are hard to value.
You know, it's like, what, whatis a podcast worth?

(44:44):
Well, it's really whatever it'sworth to you.
Not the person who's making it.
What is a book worth?
Well, you know, it's really whatit's worth to you as a, as a
reader.
So we're changing, we'reflipping the script on really on
the creative model.
If people want a sustainablebusiness, and, you know, it's,
that is much more interesting tome.

(45:05):
I think we all get to a pointwhere I can do a podcast and
there's a a technical termcalled a remote item where I
could literally play a song inmy podcast.
And anything that came in to mypodcast for that, for that three
minutes or whatever would besplit up between me and all the
splits of the person whose songI'm using.

(45:26):
So that's, when that happens,daily source code will come
back.

Sir Gene (45:30):
Awesome.
Well, I'm definitely lookingforward to that.
Yeah, the whole split thing isvery interesting.
And because you're, you'reeffectively, you're doing a
service to the people creatingthe podcast because presumably,
let's say it was just a singletransaction, somebody would then
manually need to say, well, I'm,I'm gonna pay my co-host this

(45:52):
much.
I'm gonna pay, you know, the,the guy that rolled our jingle
for the beginning of the musicthis much.
But you're allowing people to doin, in some ways it's actually
similar to what locals does,which.
that without,

without the centralized local bit

Sir Gene (46:07):
Right.
But the, the fees, the fees arejust based on the total
donation.
So it's all percentages.
Mm-hmm.
it's not like a fixed, you know,you're paying 50 bucks, no
matter how many people actuallylisten to it kind of thing.
Mm-hmm.
It's, it's and, and not onlythat, you're also leaving that
final control in the hands ofthe listener.
So if you're listening tosomething that you don't like

(46:29):
and you don't think it's worthany money, you're not paying.
If you're listening

to something, you're like, ask yourself.
You gotta ask yourself if, ifyou find no value, what are you
doing?
Waste your time

Sir Gene (46:38):
listening to, well, you know, I, I think a lot of us
have started things that turnedout to be crap after watching or
listening for a while.
So that certainly has Sure,sure.
Could happen.
But the idea that then once youturn the spigot on, you say,
Hey, I'm really enjoying this,this is great.
It's, it's easily worth a coupleof bucks.
An hour or, or more to, for meto consume and the enjoyment

(47:00):
that I'm getting out of it.
Yeah, exactly.
In that scenario, then theydon't have to think about who
gets what.
It's, it's all done by the kid.
The percentages in the RSS feed.
Right.

Correct in the, or specifically in the value
block.
Mm-hmm.
you know, so we could, the feedis the source of truth.
So whatever, whatever happens inthe RSS feed itself, that's the
truth.
And that's just the end of it.
So that's how everything isdetermined.
What is important to understandis that this is a big a big
learning moment for me when thishappened 14 years ago as we had

(47:37):
started no agenda, and westarted with the typical why
don't you subscribe for$3 anepisode or$3 a month or
whatever.
Mm-hmm.
with predictable results, youknow, you get 300 bucks on a
monthly basis.
Like, well, we need more to dothis cuz it's actual work.
And then we just said, well, whydon't you just pay us whatever
you think it's worth?
And, and at that time we hadsaid five bucks or whatever and
so we got still a lot of peoplewith five bucks, but we got a

(47:59):
surprising amount with 50 and acouple of 500.
And I said, oh, so there'speople who value this at$500,
which may be a lot for them.
It may be nothing to them.
I don't know.
I mean, the richest people Iknow are the ones who walk
around with plastic bags.
Gene it's not the guy who stepsout of the rolls with, you know,
yeah, I know some of those, butit's all like it.

(48:20):
Cliff Bernstein, I'll neverforget, he would come into M T V
with a, with a, with a dagostinoshopping bag and he was, you
know, managed Metallica and allthese huge bands.
Very, very wealthy guy.
And you know, he, he wouldn'tgive, well I always give beggars
money, but you, most peoplewould walk, would step right
over him if you were in the.
And so you really don't know.
We've had donations, one offdonation,$10,000 and one go

(48:44):
just, and with, and they sendyou a note, like, and here's
why.
You know, why should I, youcan't question that.
So in a weird way, it balancesout really well.
Even though we know that thepercentage of people who donate
at all is prob, I think we'rehigh, no agenda, probably about
4%, but in general mm-hmm.
two to 3% of the entire audienceare the ones that will donate.

(49:06):
And so a part of the idea thatwe didn't even come up with is,
is the idea of calling someoneout.
You know, the art producers aswe, we don't call'em listeners,
we call'em producers, andeveryone has a responsibility.
You produce with money, youproduce with stories, you
produce with time, talent,treasure, something you can do
to help the show.
And we have, everyone's anexpert at something.

(49:27):
So expert in weather, balloonsand bullshit.
We got'em expert who, jetfighters who fly, you know, F 20
twos, F sixteens, we got'em.
So you can put it all together.
But when someone isn'tsupporting the show in any
manner, usually they're friendswho have turned them onto the
show.
I e hit them in the mouth,they'll call them out as a
douche bag, douche bag.

(49:49):
And so you shame people into it.
It works really well.
It works.
You know, big megachurch willtell you're gonna go to hell
here.
It's like you're gonna be calledout as a douche bag.
So, and it's, it's just as badprobably.
I don't know which one.
And then people want get deducedthen they want to get deduced.
Exactly.
You've been deuced.
So then they donate and theysay, Hey, I, I need to ded

(50:09):
douching.
I gotta get that nasty doucheoff of me.
So, and we didn't come up with aword, we didn't come up with the
jingles the concept.
It's all been the producers whoare an active participant, which
is a big part of today's media.
It's an active medium.
It, it, you have it.
The, the people who areconsuming it need to be a part
of the production.
It just, I mean, and it's thesame here.

(50:30):
We have the chat room, we havethere's super chats where people
are sending money and I'm surethere's all kinds of other
things that are going on that,that make this whole thing
complete.

Sir Gene (50:40):
Yeah, for sure.
And I, I think creating not onlypodcasting from the get-go the
way you did, but then a way toadd more and more and more
interactivity I mean that's,that's ultimately gonna be the
legacy here.
It's that you didn't just have acool idea once and you know,
light bulb blew up, but you'vemanaged to get that idea to the

(51:07):
next level.
And that's something very fewpeople actually do.
You know, starting, starting a,a company because you were in
the right place.
And we've seen a lot of thesecompanies, companies that, you
know, the size of Twitter thatreally got big like a Groupon or
something, and then they kind offizzle out.
But what you're doing right nowwith podcasting 2.0 I think is

(51:31):
going to mean that podcasting ina lot of ways is no different
than radio or television or youknow, any, any other medium
that's been created.
It's, it's created and it'sgonna last forever.
There will always be someversion of podcasting.
The name may change eventuallyat some point, but this concept

(51:52):
of having a, a network that candistribute video or audio in a
non-live manner, it's, it's kindof batched up.
I, I think that's gonna be, it'sgonna be there forever.
And you're ensuring that that'sgonna be

the case.
Well, r s s is a big part ofthat.
The, the beauty of podcasting isthat the decentralization was
really in the hosting companies.
Mm-hmm.
so there's just so many of them,so you can't shut'em all down.
And it's easy to move from oneto the next.
The media files has become veryinteresting.
You know, no agenda has atorrent RSS feed.

(52:29):
We have an I P F S, which standsfor Interplanetary File System.
Feed.
That shit will never go away.
Yep.
You know, there's all theseplaces.
For me, the legacy is thatthere's, you know, gonna be when
I die, maybe 10 or 20,000 hoursof audio, and people will be
able to find it and hear what I,what I was thinking about.
So part of it I think the legacymore is the value for value

(52:51):
concept and the hammering ofthat, and turning the idea that,
you know, you can, you, even theidea that you should make money
with a blog or any, anythingdecentralized RSS related, that
idea by itself is antiquated.
You know, it just because you'redoing something and you have a
community doesn't mean thatmoney has to flow, but value

(53:14):
needs to flow.
And f and what I'm doing, mypersonal, I'm 58.
My personal mission in this ismost of the people I work with
are millennials.
They're a little on the higherside, like in the thirties, mid,
mid to late thirties.
But even Alex Gates, who I guesstechnically might be a zoomer
not sure he's right on the edge.
I think he, he's on the cusp.

(53:34):
This is a group.
Was very disillusioned and hasevery reason to be.
And that's partially mygeneration's fault.
So in the eighties and nineties,I mean party time, baby, we were
having to make money.
We were doing all kinds of coolshit.
Mtv, school board loser,couldn't get a better gig, you
know, city council, you know, sothat we didn't pay any attention
to that.

(53:55):
And then all this bullshit snuckin and you know, these are
people who were born in like inthe nineties.
And so we had, when they were 10years old, or just about middle
school, we had nine 11, which isthis huge siop of information
and shit that happened.
Forget the event itself for whatcame out of that.
And then don't worry about it.
Everything's gonna be, it wastraumatic for adults, people of

(54:15):
all ages.
But imagine being in middleschool and just confused about
it then.
Don't worry.
We we're gonna smoke'em out andwe, we, well, we we invaded the
wrong country, or it was veryconfusing.
Then, you know, as they're goinginto college or basically coming
out of college with a worthlesspiece of paper, with all kinds
of nutty over socialized, underinformed education programs.

(54:37):
We have the Great Recession.
So, you know, if you could get ajob, but firstly you see
everyone's houses are beingtaken away and there's a lot of
devastation.
And then you come out andthere's like$12 an hour jobs
with a worthless piece of paper.
Don't worry, we're gonna fix thefinancial situation.
No, we didn't, you know, we justpushed out along until, until
Covid basically.
So this is a group of people whoare in fact, politically

(54:59):
agnostic or homeless, maybe abetter way to say it and are,
and are checking out ofeverything they're checking out
of, of, of the establishment,out of the institutions.
And this is a great way to buildnew parallel networks.
So one of those is the Beefinitiative beef initiative.com.
And the whole idea there is youhave to understand the.

(55:21):
Producer to consumerrelationship, rebuild that in a
way that everyone understandsvalue.
What, what?
You know, if I buy a steak atthe, at h e b at the
supermarket, what is its valuereally?
What is it, what they, what am Igetting?
I don't even know what's in it.
You know, go to thesupermarkets, like all pretty
colors and, you know, the samegroup of people is aiding shit
and they're sick.

(55:41):
We're a sick nation, sick world.
We're just sick of, of eatingchemicals and not actual animal
protein.
And there's no education aboutit on purpose, you know, and
the, and that's only gonna getworse.
So, Texas Slim came out ofnowhere into my life, and he
kind of is like me saying little55, same age.
And he's, I, I gotta dosomething about this.

(56:01):
And he figured out that he's arancher.
You know, he understandsranchers are commodity cowboys.
They, they don't know how tosell direct to consumer.
They don't understand how to dothat, how to market stuff.
But on the other side, you haveBitcoiners and Bitcoiners
understand value and they'rewilling to learn.
So he connected those two, andnow we have this, he's in

(56:21):
Australia right now rolling out,you know, beef initiative down
under or whatever.
W we're making this connectionbetween people who are
delivering the core product andpeople who value that and want
to understand it and want topurchase that.
And we're doing it in Bitcoin.
To protect ourselves from what'scoming.
you know, the financial deplatforming is real, so we have

(56:42):
to have, you know, that as awhich I think is the only way,
maybe Monero or, but you know,Bitcoin is certainly has, has
been around long enough, hasthe, has the marketing has, you
know, has enough, you know, a, alarge percentage of Americans
have, have touched crypto in oneway or the other.
So let's just call that whateverit is.
But Bitcoin is very suited forthis, particularly with the
lighting network.

(57:03):
So, schools there's all kinds ofnew crowdfund, like crowd health
is you know, different ways of,of working together to ensure
that you have some form ofinsurance for medical issues.
You know, where you chip in acouple hundred bucks a month,
and then if someone has, youknow, a heart attack or cancer
or whatever, then you're askedto chip in some more.

(57:23):
And sometimes you can, sometimesyou can't.
And when you know, you have areputation score based upon that
and people can look at that,it's all transparent.
And if, if you have a problem,an issue that's, you know, above
your means, then people willhopefully come in and help you.
You know, it's also veryuniquely American in a way at
this point.
But I think it will spread itwill spread all over the world
and.

(57:44):
So while that is taking place,you know, we're building these
parallel networks.
We need people to go into localpolitics and take back our city
councils, our you know, ourstate houses.
And we certainly need to stopfocusing on who's the president
or what's happening inWashington.
Cuz it just really isn't thatinteresting.
On, on a grand scale of what youcan actually do in your own

(58:05):
city, your own township, yourown county or your own state.
So

Sir Gene (58:09):
we're gonna see Adam Craig running for mayor.

No Fuck no.
No, fuck no.
Too busy.
Too busy.
No, it's, it, it's, it's not,that's not my mission.
I mean, my mission mm-hmm.
Is podcasting.
My mission is to is what I'mdoing.
I, I feel so comfortable.
This is, you know, after, evenafter our project you know, I
had a long chat with myself.
I was day trading, doing allkinds of stuff.

(58:33):
And I, and I remember that,yeah, I'm just, I sold 65
Bitcoin at$900 each to trade.
What a fucking idiot.
So I, that mistake was made andI've learned from it.
I know my role, I, and I'm acommunicator.
I'm a podcaster.
I know what I want to do.
I know what I like to do, andthat's where I'm comfortable.
And I love working with, with,with the, with the millennials.

(58:54):
I mean, it's a lot of fun.
They're very smart.
They're incredibly creative.
They're, they're open.
They want to learn.
They want to listen.
And I, and I probably learnedmore from them than they know.
So, I, I mean, I'm in a goodplace.
I really love it.
You know, we moved out ofAustin, we're in kill country,
where life is just a littledifferent.
It's a little bit

Sir Gene (59:15):
a little bit, A little bit, yeah.
A lot.
Well, you, you moved outtaCalifornia into tech, into
actual

Texas.
Yes.
Now, well, as I say here, I hadto leave Austin to reenter the
state of Texas.
Yeah, that's, that's, thatalways gets a big laugh out
here.
People like, oh, okay.
All right.
You're cool.

Sir Gene (59:33):
Yeah.
Now Austin is definitely notreal Texas.
And, and I mean, I've been inAustin now for 11 years, I
think.
And the change is, it's so huge.
It's, it's a completelydifferent city.
I, I barely recognize that justbecause the roads are the same.
It's

about it.
It's so funny because and it, I,it's funny.
I don't know.
Interesting maybe When I movedto Austin, which is now 13 years
ago, probably.
Mm-hmm.
like a year or two before yougot there.
Yeah.
The old timers would say, that'snot what it used to be.
It's all fucked up with thesenew people.
And now, you know, I was thereMonday I was for a quick lunch
with max Kaiser and his wife.

(01:00:12):
Mm-hmm.
there was just, and I'll, I'lldrive out to see them and you
know, it's good for me to getout, you know, go back to big
Smoke from time to time.
And I'm just driving there likea lot of it's dirty.
Mm-hmm.
like really dirty downtown.
It didn't used to be that dirty.
It, it's busy.
I understand that.
But it all kind of happened whenthey threw those scooters down
in the streets and the, and thecity council went Okay.
You know, that, that's kind ofwhen it started to get overrun

(01:00:34):
with just, people are there.
Not for Texas, not for Austin.
They're there to make money and,and get laid and go to nice
restaurants and, and I'm ge I'mgeneralizing.
Yeah,

Sir Gene (01:00:45):
obviously, I mean the, the, the bad stuff always kind
of jumps out and it's becomesvery evident.
But yeah, Austin used to be, Ialways kind of described it as
like hippies with guns.
That was the Austin I

Podfather Adam (01:00:58):
moved to Cowboy, cowboy hippies would play golf
and had guns.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Absolutely.
And, and that's that completely,that's pretty much gone.
That's gone.
Yeah.
It's also, and you know, it'sIt's a university town and, and
UT in Austin is very woke, very,very woke.
So it attracts a lot of, yeah,it attracts what it wants to
attract, you know, look at, lookat everything.

(01:01:19):
But then I see what happenedwith with Ice Mageddon where
people's power, maybe justeveryone's restored now after
10, 11 days.
Yeah.
And, you know, when I was there,how many times did I have to
boil my water?
Like, it seemed like every yearthere was a, a water boiled.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And then, you know what, itwasn't the grid that went down.
Texas's grid is actually uniqueand quite good.

(01:01:41):
The there she is.
There's the keeper.
Hi, What really?
Come say hi, baby.
Gene Gene wants to see you.
Oh yeah.
We're, we're doing our, we'redoing the show live now.
Here.
Yeah.
Here we go.
Oh, hey Gene Hey.

Sir Gene (01:01:52):
How are you?
No time to see her.
Forgot what you look like.
I know.
It's been a while.
I gotta

get out there, you know.
Promises.
Promises.
Yeah.
Right.
I believe it when I see it.
Yeah.
All right.
Hi baby.
Thanks.
Oh, is Phoebe staying with me?
Alright, babe.
Phoebe's a dog.
Yes.
Quite the dog.
And

Sir Gene (01:02:08):
I was there when, when you got that too.

110 pounds of, of fabulousness here.
Mm-hmm.
But it was really poormanagement of the vegetation.
You know, if you don't trim backthe branches and and the ice
heads and the branches break andtake down the wires, that's
just, what are they doing withthe money?
It's not.
Cheap to live in Austin.
Right.
So it, it seems like a verytypical liberal government or,

(01:02:30):
you know, and it's not even themayor, it's the city manager and
it, I don't know, are peoplejust stealing the money, not
doing anything?
Is it all going to consultants?
Whatever it is, they're screwingit up.
And that's kind of typical, youknow?
Yeah.
For, and all, all of ourinstitutions are bloated with,
with middle management.
E everything has to be reseteverything, including, you know,

(01:02:51):
our, our local, our localgovernments.
Yeah.

Sir Gene (01:02:54):
So you're much happier, obviously in, in
Fredericksburg in terms of thegovernment.

Oh, it's our city council has to be, has to
be attacked for sure.
There's all, there's all kindsof problems going on here.
There's a lot of people workingon it too.
Mm-hmm.
a lot of people were like, Hey,you know, we're gonna, we gotta
watch out for what's going onhere.
But we have our own, well, soour water was fine.
We have our own aerobic septictank, so, you know, It's
basically our own waterprocessing plant.

(01:03:20):
You could technically drink it,what comes out of it, but we use
it for the lawn.
We have electricity, but I havea generator and I have yet to
have that thing be useful.
It just The power didn't go out.

Sir Gene (01:03:31):
That's

power.
It works out.
Just stayed working.
Yeah.
You buy the generator, younever, the power never goes out
again.
I know, I know.
Well,

Sir Gene (01:03:37):
you remember the the big once in a hundred year storm
that we had when you were stillliving here.
Sure, of course.
Where my power was out for sevendays straight and I had to just
keep boiling water to heat the,to heat the snakes

theile room.
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah.
We were really worried aboutthat.
I remember.
I know, man, that was reallyscary.

Sir Gene (01:03:56):
That was scary.
I had to do that every hour.
So I, I I slept in 20 minuteincrements basically.
But

how is Tigre?
Tigre is good.
Oh, it's good.
It's good.
Yep.

Sir Gene (01:04:05):
Yep.
He's, you know, sleeping asusual, 97 time dog.
This is like a

dog.
It's no difference.

Sir Gene (01:04:12):
Yeah.
Except till he'll sleep for fourdays straight without waking up.
Right.
Well, there's, and

then he'll yawn.
Yeah.
like, oh, I'm tired

Sir Gene (01:04:19):
again.
Yeah, yeah.
But yeah, so then after that, ofcourse I bought a generator
because I wanna be prepared forthe next one.
And this whole time powered wentdown for like three minutes.

and I, I looked at the, I looked at the map
cause we didn't live that farfrom each other.
Like yeah.
It didn't go down where I were gdidn't go down where we were.
That was crazy.

Sir Gene (01:04:37):
Nope.
And, and a lot of people youknow, in, in surrounding areas
were down for quite a few days.
So yeah, it was for sure it wassomewhat surprising cuz I
assumed since it went down forso long last time, it's
obviously a shitty area forpower.
And it turned out this timearound it actually did not go
down.
So

Jay, it was purely, purely vegetation
management.
You, you have away where

Sir Gene (01:04:59):
you live.
So I think it was mostly mebuying the generator.
I think that's what

changed the, I'm sorry.
You're right.
The universe once had, once youhad the generator, that's it.
Mm-hmm.
That, that fixes it.
So you, you still live.
I thought you were gonna leaveAustin.
I've been

Sir Gene (01:05:11):
threatening to leave since before you left San
Antonio.
I know, I know, I know.
I am still threatening to leaveand I still want to move out and
I think my latest idea is I wantto, I'll probably be actually
closer to you guys but I want tobe far enough out where I can
get at least five acres and thenI wanna, I've never, never

(01:05:31):
really thought about it, butI've getting more and more into
this idea.
I want to get a double.
Sure.
I wanna live in a trailer home.
And

why not?
Not

Sir Gene (01:05:43):
effective.
It's the modern trailer homes.
Holy shit, dude.
They're like my uncle Interiors

look great.
My Uncle X x m I t, you know,secret project, NASA scientist.
He lives in a double wide.
He loves it.
Does he?
Yeah.
He loves it.
Yeah.
Oh, a lot of my friends live indouble wides.
you just gotta be carefulbecause, you know, tornadoes,
they, they seek, they do attractthem.
They, they seek'em out.
That is true.
It's like a big tornado magnet.
Please.
I want to be woke.
Swept

Sir Gene (01:06:06):
away.
Well, and that, that's the thingis it's, it's gotta be like at
least five acres and then yougot double wide, and then you
gotta have like the three roomunderground bunker.
That's, that's another thing.
Like Kid rock.
Kid

rock has that basically, does he?
Oh, nice.
Yeah.
Yeah.
He has, he basically lives in adouble wide mm-hmm.
But the best thing, what peopleare doing now is you get your
five acres, get a little more ifyou can mm-hmm.
set up an RV park and then liveon your RV park.
Yeah.
And you live for free.
It's gonna be so many people.
I mean, the rv Yep.
Is just, I mean, around here,it's like the best business to

(01:06:38):
invest

Sir Gene (01:06:38):
in.
I mean, trailer Park Boys hasalways been one of my favorite
shows.
Great

show.
Great show.
So, yeah.
And, and it gets a bad rap, youknow, trailer park.
It does.
There's great people, beautifulpeople who live in

Sir Gene (01:06:48):
trailer parks.
Absolutely.
And very creative people.

everyone's so creative.
Yeah.
Yes.

Sir Gene (01:06:55):
I mean, that's the thing is I think just living
more simply kind of forces youto think more like you did when
you were young.
Because it's so easy just tohave the conveniences
surrounding you.
Mm-hmm.
where you're like, nothing.
There's no effort required foranything.
Yeah.
You need your food, they bringit to you.
You need stuff.

(01:07:16):
You buy all new, all

that, all that shit's all that shit's.
It's all going away.
Gene is the, the free moneyright.
Is over the, all the dashes.
It's all going away.
You know, everything's fallingapart.
Cuz the free money, the cheapmoney, the zero.
Yeah.
0% interest rate is over nowbusinesses and people have to
stand by their, on the, on thevalue they create and the value
they receive in return.

(01:07:37):
So, this is exactly what we'repreparing for.
We're preparing our communitiesfor this.
And with community, I mean,like, podcasting is a community.
Everyone needs to eat.
I mean, yeah.
I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna eatthe fucking bugs.
Yeah.
I'm not gonna eat the fake meat.
But it's coming brother.
It's coming.
They're gonna price everyone outof the market.
You're just gonna have to Ohyeah.
Take it.
Or, or, you know, or you won'teat.

(01:07:58):
You won't be able to afford itunless you have a direct
connection.
And we're gonna have to protectour ranchers too.
Oh yeah.
Who know, who knows how that'llgo down.
But I'm ready.
I I will totally, I will, I willprotect my rancher.
You better believe it.
You, you

Sir Gene (01:08:11):
know, Ben on just to get boys.
Sure.
Yeah.
So.
my plan is to have him.
He wants to, he's getting intoranching.
He's buying cows.
I know.
Yeah.
It's cool.
And he, my plan is, I told him,I'm, I got dibs on, on your
first slotted cow.
That's mine.
So it's like, yeah.
You gotta know people thateverybody can specialize in

(01:08:32):
something a little different.
Yep.
But you gotta have a communityof people that can all help each
other out, because nobody

else will.
That's the only way forward.
Yeah.
It is, is also uniquely theAmerican way.
Go read the Little House on theprairies.
Mm-hmm.
as ho, as hokey as that sounds.
But Laura Engels, man, she wrotesome ama, you know, it's like
nine books or whatever.
It was way different back in theday, brother.
And, and Oh yeah.
That's, you know, yeah.
We, a lot of bad shit happenedand how the west was won,

(01:09:02):
particularly if you were nativeIndian American you probably got
fucked.
But they also, that was morepolitical than anything.
Everyone was kind of gettingalong or figured out how to get
along, or at least to protectthemselves from, you know, from
whatever didn't work out well.
Yeah.
But the, the general idea, andthis is also why we, I think as

(01:09:25):
Americans got in trouble, cuzwe're, we're nice.
Which is nice.
We want to help each other outand we don't want to, you know,
it's like we, we, what used tobe, we just disagree with each
other and we wouldn't talkpolitics or religion.
Now it's like that's all you'resupposed to talk about and
that's how you're identified andYeah.
You know, but I think the, thewhole like L G B T Q l g b B T Q

(01:09:48):
Q I A P K plus and Noodle Boycame about because, well, you
know, they can do whatever theywant.
I'm not too bothered by it.
You know what you just do whatdo what you want and we're nice
and we don't make a big problemabout it.
And then this stuff got intoschools and got in, deepened
into our culture, into ourchildren and our media and our
corporations.

(01:10:08):
And ultimately the money is theproblem as it always is.
You know, the, the, the well thecontrol of the, of the, of the
dollar, the printing of thedollar is the problem.
Yeah.

Sir Gene (01:10:19):
Well, there I think we have a lot of problems.
That's one of'em.
But it's, right now I've neverseen communism be talked about
with more love and adoration inmy life.
Yeah.
and I used to live in the

communist country.
I lived in a socialist country.
Mm-hmm.
and, you know, in

Sir Gene (01:10:39):
socialism, well, well I'm seeing here now in the US is
like a huge swath.
I don't wanna say it's themajority, it's certainly not.
But it's a much bigger than,than I would've ever imagined.
Swath of people.
That see socialism at theminimum and quite often

(01:10:59):
communism as the salvation tothe United States problems.
And

that comes because of the free money, the
money printing.
Mm-hmm.
if you go on, if you haveunemployment insurance and
you're, which you know, is threemonths or whatever, but you are
making the equivalent in Texasof almost$70,000 a year on your
unemployment.
That's where the problem comesfrom.
Mm-hmm.
it used to be a lot harder.

(01:11:25):
a lot harder.
Oh yeah, yeah.
For sure.
You know, and you had to figureout something to do.
And that's why, you know, we sawoh, 500,000 jobs added.
Yeah, I know why.
Because people are like, fuck, Ineed a job.
The free money is over.
I need to get out there and workfinally.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But they, they, the government,the money printers, they're not
gonna, they're going, they'regoing to keep finding ways to
print it and get it to peopleand control them.

(01:11:48):
Yeah.
And you know, George Colin wasright.
You know, they just wantobedient workers just enough to
push the buttons and move thepaper.

Sir Gene (01:11:56):
Yeah.
That's not uniquely American.
That's always been the casepretty much since the
civilization as you need peopledoing the work for you.
Right.

Yeah.
So that's why I help to destroythe traditional media or
decentralized media, becausethat's, that's where mm-hmm.
you will get, you know,different, different opinions,
different noise, differentdifferent different viewpoints.
Yeah.
You know, the media.
In general as a category M five,m as we call it, on no agenda.

(01:12:25):
That's it.
It's a mind control mechanism.
Everyone sees it.
Well, not everyone 60% sees it,30%, you know, is very aware and
actively, you know, going awayfrom it.
Yeah.
But it's a, it's a, it is agiant mind control.
Giant is, you know, the Covidpandemic is the best example.

(01:12:46):
Oh, absolutely.
The, the best example sinceWeimar Republic and and the rise
of Hitler.
Yeah.

Sir Gene (01:12:51):
Yeah.
There's, there's a, there's abenefit, and we saw this
especially in certain liberalrun states

for the government, the way green, hold
on.
Green stash.
I know.
Who prints the money?
It's easier to say it that way.
Yeah.
I'm not a person who thinks thegovernment prints money.
I know exactly how it works,bro.

Sir Gene (01:13:12):
it's some, the, the fun of interacting with the
comments in real time.

That's what it's for.
Right?
It's on my sCurry n.
Yeah.
So I'm gonna tell you, go fuckyourself right now, Well send
some

Sir Gene (01:13:22):
money, complain with a super, he just gave you a little
heart symbol back.
Super

chats.
No, we want a super chat.

Sir Gene (01:13:27):
Yeah.
Come on.
Exactly.
Send money, not, not, not water

or blankets.
Guys.
Don't send water blankets.
Just send us your cash.

Sir Gene (01:13:34):
Exactly.
Exactly.
And since we're doing thepodcast recording on the stream
there, Virtually no griftinggoing on.
But if you watch our, our normalstreams that vanga and I do it
is the, the little sort of ruleof thumb slash saying is that
there are 10 minutes of griftfor every 15 minutes of the

show.
Now define grift.

Sir Gene (01:13:58):
Give us money give us super chat, subscribe.
Here's some products that we'reshilling that you can buy and
give us money.
We've got a whole slew ofproducts.
In fact def Fango, if you're, ifyou're still near the computer,
pop up the, the store.
Oh.
You all the products.

Oh, alright.
There's a tunnel product.
See if I can get something inyour store.
If there's anything I can sell.

Sir Gene (01:14:20):
Yeah.
It, it's there, there's a lot ofstuff.
He's done a great job and it'sall,

it's all him.
So, like Darren O'Neillliterally trolling you, he hates
you that much.
Yes.
Oh yeah.
Yeah.
Why, what, what is, whathappened between you two guys?
What the fuck is Oh, we do a

Sir Gene (01:14:32):
show every week.
No, we do a show every week, butit, you know, it's, it's a
professional relationship.
We just talked to each otherwhile we're doing the show.
Oh,

okay.
Cause I mean, I, I don't, Idon't talk to, you don't how
that guy either.
Yeah.
I'm no friend of Devor actually,you know?
Duh.
Okay.
I understand.
Yeah.
All right.
Alright.
E

Sir Gene (01:14:47):
Exactly, exactly.
And So, there's, there's thelink of people wanting to see

you guys crack me up.
I love that.
But love that.

Sir Gene (01:14:54):
You know, it's, it's, it's fun.
You gotta have.
You gotta have a little bit offriction.
Otherwise, no one, no one'sgonna be able to, otherwise

not, not interesting.
Lemme see grift cast.com/merch.
Why is that link not working?

Sir Gene (01:15:08):
So what that link here, I'll, I'll pop it up here.

B a grift cast il.
What is this?

Sir Gene (01:15:14):
So Grift cast initially goes to the tree il,
which is a link tree, which hasall the links for the show.
Different ways to send money,whole bunch of different ones.
Oh, you love this.
This is one of the products.
What's what's

the, what's the, what's your u url?
Grift cast?

Sir Gene (01:15:30):
It's just grift cast.com?
Yeah.
Grift cast.com.

Uhhuh Okay.
Grift ca.
Oh, I see.
I misspelled it.
The oh

Sir Gene (01:15:39):
grift cast com.
I see.
So this is one of the productswe're schilling

that we get commission.
Another wait until Link Treekicks you off.
Why use all the centralizedshit, brother?
You're gonna get in trouble.
I don't

Sir Gene (01:15:52):
what?
It doesn't matter.
It can change a heartbeatsnotice.
It's we're not, we we're not bigenough to build our own stuff at
'em.
For now, we're just using That'swhat, well, we'll get there.
That's why you're producing.
But this is, this is hilarious.
This is EMMP Shield merch, butwe, we do quite a bit of
grifting for this stuff.
They provide

that you brought in from China.

Sir Gene (01:16:12):
No, no, no.
That's, that's a differentthing.
That thing I gotta replenish.
Those are filled out right now.
The Griff Shield is a littledevice that you plug into your
car, your vehicle, so that Emmpgoing off doesn't actually
disable your vehicle.
Is that for real?
Totally.
For real.

Yeah.
I don't see it on your, I don'tsee it on the merch store.

Sir Gene (01:16:30):
It's it's not in the merch store.
It's a link.
Do you not see it on the sCurryn?
That's right.
Like the main sCurry n, theshelf sCurry n I got right in
front of you.
Yeah.
Go back to the browser of thestudio.
It's right in

front of you there.
Oh.
In the private chat?
No well above

Sir Gene (01:16:46):
the

private chat.
Grift cast I r l.com.
That one.
What I'm looking at, just,

Sir Gene (01:16:53):
do you see me?
Do you see me

anywhere?
I see, I see you.
And a very tiny in the corner.

Sir Gene (01:16:58):
Yes, I see you.
Yeah.
So the, the main page that yousee is the, the private

about, but I want, I want to get to that
page.
How do I get to that page?
Oh, you

Sir Gene (01:17:05):
want to get to it?
Yeah.
Yeah.
If you go to just grift cast.comand then from there you'll see
links to different stuff.
And this is one of the products.
MP Shield.
MP Shields.
Exactly.
It's just one

of the products that you could have said emmp
shield.com.
That would've helped.
Sure.

Sir Gene (01:17:22):
Okay.
Okay.
Oh, alright.
We got coffee, Brent Coffee.
Of course.
We've got Dream Host.
Yeah.
The, the goal of the show is tobasically have get to a point
where we do 14 minutes of griftfor 15 minutes of show.
But we're not quite there yet.
We're, we're still just workingon it.

So home generator protection.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Now

Sir Gene (01:17:40):
how does this work?
Yeah.
You actually probably need oneof these.
Just make sure you use the, thecode.

The code grift cast.
Sure.
So how does this work?
Doesn't e emmp, doesn't thattake out all the electronics?
What will this do?

Sir Gene (01:17:52):
No.
So this thing actually sensesan, the MP going off and will
provide a ground loop, but it'snot a constant ground loop.
Oh, yes, genius.
It's a genius ground loop thatonly gets established in, in
Casey and the MP goes off.
Genius.

It's a great idea.
I know this something youwould've come

Sir Gene (01:18:12):
up with government certified.
It is exactly the kinda shit

I would come up with listed by the Department of
Homeland Security with no Right.
Link's, no link.
Mind you, of course not.
fucking phony bullshit.
Yes.
Yes.
Mm.
How do you test it?

Sir Gene (01:18:23):
Well, the best and, and not only that, they have a,
a, a$20,000 guarantee that it'sgonna work.
So in case any emp it doesn'twork.
That's

not gonna, it does not work.
It's not gonna be anything leftFor me to go get my money back
isn't, that's not convenient.
Yeah.
Okay.

Sir Gene (01:18:38):
But so Yeahinteresting, we're, we're
showing a whole bunch ofdifferent stuff, different
products.
And I, I've got, that's a funnyproduct.
That's a very funny product.
It, it is a

funny, that's a gag.
It's a gag gift for you givethat long, expensive G gift.
He's a big wallet and an emmpshield.
All right.
I like it.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
It's, it's to get, I'm gonna,I'm gonna get that for the
former New York banker for thenext.
Yeah.
He'll need that.

Sir Gene (01:19:00):
He'll, he'll appreciate that for sure.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
But yeah, it's, it's fun doingit on the, you know, just kind
of having fun while askingpeople for money.
And amazingly people whenthey're laughing and having fun
watching the show are also happyto give money.
Yeah.
So yeah, of course.
And now what we're doing rightnow, like I said, this is, this

(01:19:23):
is really just the podcastrecording on the stream, not the
typical normal stream show,which would be a lot more
interactive.
So I'm kind of ignoring thepeople on the stream right now
for the most part.
Normally I would be doing a lotmore interacting

with them.
Is this, this is, this remindsme of the old Dutch radio
pirates, and when I'm talkingradio pirates, I'm not talking
about the radio pirate stuffthat I was, you know, we had our
FM transmitters, we, you know,we were playing import records,
we were really mm-hmm.
against the establishment ofradio.
But the old guys, the, the whostill are around, they would be

(01:20:01):
in the way in the, what we callthe the back corner of the
Netherlands farmer stuff.
And they would put up huge am fmall kinds of different broadcast
stations.
Mm-hmm.
And they would just have the micopen.
and they'd be taking phone callswhile the record's playing, and
then people are like, Hey, howyou doing?
Yeah, I'm doing, they were just,and I'm talking 40 years ago and

(01:20:24):
it's still going on today.
It is something about, it's thesame thing.
It's, you know, people beingable to contribute to the
product.
Yeah.
But, and that is, it's such asimplistic form and you're
basically doing this, the exactsame thing.
You kind of look like them too.
You need a hat really.
Okay.
Yeah.
Cool.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I, I, can I track share?

(01:20:46):
Can I share my sCurry n fromthis thing or I

Sir Gene (01:20:48):
can't?
Yeah.
Yeah.
You can click on the littleshare sCurry n button thing.
Let me

see if I can find okay.
Lemme see if I can find whatI'm, I'm talking about.

Sir Gene (01:20:56):
Yeah.
And if you're listening on thepodcast, guys, the, the stream
recording screwed should be up.
You're screwed.

You're screwed.
Why?
What's going on?
Let no, if you, if they'relistening, they're not gonna see
what I'm

Sir Gene (01:21:06):
gonna show'em.
Yeah, but that's what I'msaying.
Instead we're recording it.
So they will be able to go togriff cast.com and then that'll
take him to the YouTube linkwhere you can see this
particular episode.

I'm just doing some searches here.
Let me see if I can, in Dutch?
Yes.
In Dutch, yes.
Let me see if I can find this.
Now how do I do, I don't know ifmy computer can handle all this
for the same time.
It should be a

Sir Gene (01:21:29):
little sCurry n sharing button next to your
camera

button.
Okay.
Oh, oh, oh, oh.
This is cool.
Hold on.
So let me.

Sir Gene (01:21:38):
And if it doesn't work, you can always space the
link into private chat and I can

pull it.
SCurry n, sCurry n, sCurry nshare.
There we go.
Mm-hmm.
sCurry n one.
Okay.
Okay.
Now about this.

Sir Gene (01:21:55):
So it's a YouTube video.
This is, what do you

got?
This is them.
I'm getting uhk

Sir Gene (01:22:07):
here.
Pace the link in for me cuz I'm,I'm getting a little crackling
on your voice when the video'splaying and I'll pull it up.

Yeah.
Okay.
Lemme stop this.
Let me stop the,

Sir Gene (01:22:21):
I don't stop.
Are you on starlink orsomething?
Or what are you on?

I have Starling.
No, no, this, I'm just on avery, very small computer.

Sir Gene (01:22:31):
Put that into you.
Yeah.
Maybe it's the computer, not theconnection.

Leave the, hold on.
Let me, let me wait, let meretype that.
Hold on.
Okay.
Okay.
This is all Dutch.
That should, that you should beable, oh, I forgot the R.
Okay.
The A and radio.
Radio pirate back backwaters 80.
Okay.
Yeah, I'm on a B link, man,that's like$199 computer.

(01:22:55):
It's amazing what they do.
That's really

Sir Gene (01:22:59):
amazing.
And then what do we want to lookat?
Videos

or yeah, yeah.
No, you want to, do you want topaste that into YouTube?
You don't want to paste thatinto just any old search you
want.
Yeah, I wanna put that in.
Oh, there you go.
That radio roa, Ramona.
There you go.
Mm-hmm.
Oh, that's just jingles.
You don't want the do want the,actually, you want the guys
doing it.
Oh, okay.
You want to find, let me be onthe side there.
One of those.
You can like stay on the side.
What do you yeah, that one.
No, not that one.

(01:23:22):
No, that one.
Well, yeah.
No, no.
He'll, they'll show you some forFast Forward.
They'll show you some of theseguys.
There you go.
Oh yeah, there you go.

Sir Gene (01:23:32):
So they, now I have a four of you.
There you go.
There you go.
That's, that isn't all thatDecember from this,

but you got wearing headphones.
Oh, see, now they're getting,yeah.
Somehow you've gotten into a badalgal loop.
But anyway, the, there you go.
And they just have, I mean, wedid all this shit, but they're
moving all this stuff.
Yeah, they're taking it away.
That's the, oh,

Sir Gene (01:23:57):
they're,

they're taking away.
Yeah.
That you, well, anyway, that'sthe idea is okay.
Okay.
You know, they're just in livingrooms and people would call in
on the phone and they'd justtalk away.
Ah.
I mean, it's kind of the same.
It's the same thing.
Nothing has changed except yeah.
I mean, people

Sir Gene (01:24:14):
still have the same interests in, in you know, being
able to communicate.
Yeah, definitely.
It, it's, it's wild stuff.
But you kind of got your start,your interest, I should say.
The start of your interest inHollands with a was it your mom
or your dad who gave you theradio?

No, my grandmother gave me the radio,
but when I, when I was 14, Ibuilt my first transmitter.
Mm-hmm.
And my mom drove me around theblock to see how far the, the
signal would go.
And from there I was like, oh.
And the kids were listening toit.
They're like, Hey.
Mm-hmm.
we heard you hear yourbroadcast.
So I, I built a mixer.
I got two turntables, you know,cassette deck.

(01:24:57):
I started to, to practice withmy voice.
And then it was a hospital aclosed circuit hospital, radio
station.
Mm-hmm.
that was looking and, you know,so that was legit.
And they had really coolequipment.
And it was professional studio.
It was just, it was, theaudience was the hospital.
It was the patients in thehospital.
So I learned how to be a, youknow, I learned how to.
How to edit and how to do stuff,and how to, you know, be a, a

(01:25:20):
presenter as well.
And I also learned a lot aboutpatients and a lot about, you
know, so, so what we would do,the, the ho you know, the
hospital radio station therewere three channels that people
had a little ear, very likeSoviet era, you know, there was
plugged into the wall and youcould little ear thing and you
could listen to the three Dutchofficial stations, or Radio
tulip, radio tulip that camefrom inside the hospital.

(01:25:42):
And so we would go around the,when you had your show, you go
around and you'd hand outrequest forms so people could
request songs.
And what we did is we wentaround and went to all the young
kids, and then we brought'embecause there were, the studio
was in the corner of anauditorium, and so we could see
the auditorium, we'd bring themdown and we park all the kids
with their beds right in frontof the studio so they could see

(01:26:03):
us.
But they had, you know, theywanted to hear like Iggy Pop
Lust for Life and, you know,they didn't want to hear the,
the, the boring shit.
And we would do bumper beds withthem and stuff.
You know, I learned how tore-insert an IV in those days.
ooh, the kid's IV pops out.
Hold on, put that back in.
So, but it was really, it wasthe interaction with, with with
the listeners.
That was so fun.
You know, I learned a lot abouthow, how powerful and and what

(01:26:27):
deep level radio works withpeople and then how you can
really integrate the audiencewith it, you know?
Top 40 radio remotes doing itfrom the front of Macy's.
You know, these are all thingsthat people love.
They like to be a part of it.
They wanna be at the party, theywant to be where it's happening.
They wanna see what's going on,which is part of this incessant
need to have video on onpodcasts, which I despise as you

(01:26:48):
know.
Yeah.
I know you

Sir Gene (01:26:49):
hate videos, so this is a, a huge exception you're
making.

It is.
It detracts from everything.
I don't like doing Joe Roganvideo either.
I hate it.
I hate it.
I really hate

Sir Gene (01:26:58):
it.
But do you dislike it's lesswhen it's in person than when
it's the camera, or does it notmatter to you?
It's like you just don't wantthe video there.

I, I just think audio's more interesting.
Yeah.
Personally.
I mean, what, what, why do youhave to see me when I'm talking
to Joe?
Right, right.
You know, and I think a lot ofpeople, they wanna see it, but
they're really listening to it.
And, you know, the YouTube appgoes in the background or the
Spotify app, whatever, you know,you're listening to.
I think there's still a lot morelistening, but that there's all,
people want to see the pool boy,you know, want to see what the

(01:27:31):
studio looks like, and theystill have their imagination.
I like just taking it muchfurther, you know?
Yeah.
This is, this is my studio.
I don't really want people, wantpeople seeing my studio.
I want them to think about, youknow, make their own imaginary
pictures as to what my studio isor what I'm wearing, or, you
know,

Sir Gene (01:27:47):
but, but there isn't no agenda cartoon also that Now
you, it's called, it's

called Animated.
No agenda.
Animated.

Sir Gene (01:27:53):
No agenda.
Exactly.
Yeah.
And,

and that's, that's Dame Jennifer's thinking
of what our studios look like.
Yeah.
Who's

Sir Gene (01:27:59):
a producer as well.
And I, I love that she placesyou in this like really
stereotypical movie type studiowhere, you know, records might
be

recorded.
Right.
And then Devork always has atrain outside his window.
Yes.
Yeah.
So, but that, that's what Ilike.
That's for all the filmers.
Yeah.
That, that's her, that's hervision of, of of what it is.
And it's

Sir Gene (01:28:22):
super cute.
I, I like I like stuff that, Ilike freedoms.
I like all the cartoons that,you know, like adult cartoons.
Yeah, sure.
Basically people do.
And when you say your listenersare producers, you're not
kidding because a huge swath ofthe listeners, I know, I've used
that word twice now.
A lot of the listeners actuallycontribute and not just

(01:28:43):
financially to the show becausethey do things like Jennifer
name Jennifer doing the cartoonversion, doing the animated
stuff.
Tons of jingles.
Like every, every show youprobably have what, four or five
new jingles they possibly, yeah.
Yeah.
It's quite, there's a lot of'emcoming in.
And you play'em at the end ofthe show episode.

Were you, oh, you mean the, you mean, you mean
let's just, I don't know ifthere was a came in.
Okay.
You mean the end of show mixes?
Yeah, the clips.

Sir Gene (01:29:09):
They, they, what?
Well, they're kind jingles.
That's not right.
The musical numbers.
What do

you wanna call jingle is show mixes.
That's what they're called.
Okay.
I'll give you an example.
Okay.
Hold on a second.
Well, yeah, I mean, it's, it'susually mixes of stuff that has
been on our show in previousepisode.
But sometimes they, they buildan entire story around it.

(01:29:37):
I mean, it's really, so here'sChinese balloons.
That's the moon.
You know, Nina, anointedanointing.
Mm-hmm.
90 red balloons, two Chinese spyballoon.
Besides a three school buses haspenetrated us airspace.
Apparently the spy balloon flewover Alaska and then entered,

(01:29:59):
but it could be as simple assomething like this.
Here we go.
Wow.
Wow.
Wow.
Just a lot of wows.
Wow, wow, wow.
Or you know, it could be a lotof

Sir Gene (01:30:13):
like, good John Clips are always funny people.

They're always funny.
Of course.
Like state of the Union, youknow.
So we'll get nowhere

Sir Gene (01:30:22):
I, fellow Americans,

it came together.
The

Sir Gene (01:30:25):
past one in a agenda, one

in a generation.
This is my, this is the favoritefrom the past two episodes.
Listen to this one said, the hip

Sir Gene (01:30:31):
hop yoyoyo to the hip hip hits you boy, big Joe, the
America's Pimp Daddy Inchi.
I've been rolling in my droptop, smoking that purse

and spitting my favorite

Sir Gene (01:30:43):
bars.
I like big butts in a camera.
Lie

you other brothers can't deny when a girl
walks in

Sir Gene (01:30:50):
anybody wants.
That's all AI in your face.
You get you kidding.
That was totally real and

realized left.
But he tweaked it with with that

Sir Gene (01:31:01):
gone, you can't touch this.
That's right.
Player.

This

Sir Gene (01:31:05):
Jive Turkey guy game

this.

Sir Gene (01:31:07):
And you can bump these beats

too when you buy mine not to.
Now we get away with thelicensing because we played in
context of the show, and thatfalls under fair use, which is
why we also don't ever publishthem because you know, by itself
it's a complete violation.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Exactly.

Sir Gene (01:31:23):
There there's a ton of creative work though, that
people send you that is Oh yeah.
Tied to the show.
One way or

another.
Yeah.
So here's, here's, here's anexample.
Um mm-hmm.
Yeah.
This will pertain to you.
Dunno, wear this fake news.
Why don't you get put on theRitz, put on the Ritz

Sir Gene (01:31:49):
dress, the,

like a million before we have Donald loves
Nazis.
Donald loves Nazis, that he'skkk shout with it.
Wow.
And then an often requested byour Jewish producers up right

(01:32:14):
this way up for theShapeshifting Jews, you know, so
we can make fun.
Everyone can make fun ofthemselves.
It's yeah,

Sir Gene (01:32:25):
it's a hoot.
Yeah.
And it's all stuff that peoplesend your way and in hopes of
being played on the show.

Yeah.
Most of the time we will but,but

Sir Gene (01:32:37):
there's very little reason.
Some of these are a huge amountof work.
Like people spend hours andhours putting something together
that's 30 seconds or less.

Well show people no agenda Art generator.com.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
That's probably even moreimpressive.
So that's a very good point.
Let me pull that up.
We, we change our album art forthe podcast with every show.
And the artists who are, some of'em are, I saw Roundy in the
chat earlier.
They're real professionalartists, but also
non-professionals.
Is it.com or.com?
No, agenda art generator.com.

(01:33:07):
Oh, generat

Sir Gene (01:33:07):
Shun generates her generator.
Yes.
That would be better if Ilearned how to

spell.
And we, we can choose from, wecan easily ch go to submissions
at the top.
We can easily choose from 10, 20pieces every single show.

Sir Gene (01:33:19):
So people send, so these are all,

they're making it while we do the show.
They're, they're making in realtime.
Mm-hmm.
most, yeah.
In real

Sir Gene (01:33:26):
time.
And so this, these are alloriginal art.
I mean, some of'em use elementsobviously that aren't, you know,
they license,

they license, use it, use the pros, man.
They license that stuff.
Mm-hmm.
if, if, if they have it, theylicense it.

Sir Gene (01:33:39):
And they're 481 pages of these things, man.
20,

20,000 pieces of art.

Sir Gene (01:33:44):
And when did you start doing these?
Do you remember how far back?
Oh, we

didn't start anything.
Well, you someone started Fairenough.
Sending stuff.
Someone started it like maybe 12years ago, 13 years ago, and
then that kind of shit.
The bed.
And then Sir Paul Couture camein and he set this up.
It was originally on headlessDr.
Which didn't, you know, then weran all kinds of scaling
problems and then he, they fixedit and he built a new version

(01:34:10):
and, you

Sir Gene (01:34:11):
know, so you have some Valentine's Day submissions
here.
Of course.
Yeah, of course, of course.
Yeah.
So literally for every, everyshow you do, by the time you're
ready to upload the episode,which you do very quickly after
the end of the live recording,

because we record live, there's

Sir Gene (01:34:26):
nothing to edit.
Yeah, you don't do post

It's No, because direct to tape.
Direct to tape.
And, you know, I, we have oursound, we have our processing,
everything's good.
Mm-hmm.
the only thing, well the, therecould be a technical issue that,
you know, took us off air orwhatever and, you know, sure.
I'll splice that together.
Should probably spend more timelooking for the opening.
We'll always play a little, alittle snippet from the show,

(01:34:49):
right at the opening.
Mm-hmm.
And then we go into our into ouropening sequence.
So we find that I put that atthe beginning put the show notes
in, which are, it's anotherfantastic system that I have for
that.
Yeah, all, all of this is peoplejust have done it.
Our website, no agenda show.net.
Meet no agenda meetups dot justanother fantastic thing.
No agenda meetups.com.

(01:35:10):
People just meet up all over theworld and they can schedule it
on their own, you know, on noagenda meetups.com.
And we promote it.
And then if they send a report,we'll play the report.
Yeah.
Which is

Sir Gene (01:35:20):
sometimes funny.
You'll mention when meetups arehappening, but then you also
play audio clips that peoplerecorded at the meetups.
So this is, yeah.
These are upcoming meetups indifferent locations.

Here, here, here's a report.
Valentine's Day meet up.
Hey, this is Baron Scott of thenew agenda, armory and keeper.
Christine,

Sir Gene (01:35:36):
happy Valenti Valenti.
Valentine's Day in

the morning.
This is Malik and I'm at myfirst meetup and I'm ready for
my boo.
Now this also like this one.
This was one that didn't work.
This is Sir Jake who was inGuam.
He's a Submariner.
Mm-hmm.
this is Sir Jake coming to youfrom Guam in the famous horse
and cow bar and grill.
I'm here surrounded by lots ofawesome submarine memorabilia

(01:35:59):
and pictures of John and Adam,but that's about it.
Nobody else was able to show upbut I had a good time.
Hate a steak or is rek.
In the morning, John and Adam,so a storm shade night champion
of the frozen wastes here for apost meetup report from downtown
Revi.
Yeah.
So it's everywhere.
All over the world.
All over the world.
And, you know, we'll play these,you know, we got a maybe two or

(01:36:20):
three per per show.
They're under a minute, youknow?
Yeah.
And people love hearing themsay, basically as you go around
the room, everyone says theirname or their, or their, their
handle, whatever, and just sayhi.
And you know, people love that.
And it's a, that's what, that'spart of the whole system.
Yeah.
And you don't, and again, wedidn't invent this Right.

(01:36:40):
Invent

Sir Gene (01:36:40):
any of it.
Right.
All these things from thesoftware that these websites are
running on to the maintenance ofthe websites, to the data in
them, to the images, the, youknow, everything else is put
together by the producers.
Yes.
Who really are producers.
And then, because people, Ithink initially, if they haven't
listened to the show, theythink, well, so you just call
your listeners producers becauseeveryone's got some little pet

(01:37:03):
name for their listeners in, inthis case, there's a huge amount
of people that both listen anddo things that.
that are used

by the show.
100%.
Yeah.
Oh, I'd hate saying And by otherlisteners, five by five.
Yeah.
Five by five.
Let see.
Roger Roundy post in the chatand a art generator reminds me
of the brainstorming session foradvertising pitch meetings.
Mm-hmm.
It's even better than thatbecause we also, when we, when
we thank people during the show,we critique the art that we
didn't choose.
Here's why he didn't.
That's right.
Choose your piece.
Which no artist ever gets tohear that.

(01:37:34):
No, that's, that's it's, it'seducational.
They like it.
They like hearing why we didn'tpick their piece.
I like that one.
You know, and that's, you know,that's, yeah.
It's a beautiful piece.
But there were other good ones.
Mm-hmm.

Sir Gene (01:37:44):
Yeah.
I mean, the quality of art thatyou guys are getting for free
every episode is amazing.
It's not

free.
We, it's commercial stuff.
We tremendous

Sir Gene (01:37:52):
value to these people.
Well, yes, yes.
I know.
I know.
But you know, you, you otherwisemay have had to both provide a
tremendous value and pay for the

art.
It would never happen.
It would never happen.

Sir Gene (01:38:03):
Well, yeah.
And most, most podcasts don'tchange their image every
episode.
And in fact, I don't know of asingle one that does

outside of No agenda Couple KA the Keeper does
Now we, we do that.
Okay.
But it's, we have a similartheme.
It's always two glasses of winecuz that's the show started as
us drinking right wine.
Yeah.
Yeah, so that's just, I mean,you can go to gitmo list.com I
think.
Let me see, is that it?
Gitmo List?

(01:38:29):
I think it's dot com.
Mm.
Oh.
Oops.
Oops.
Didn't wanna do that in, in ourbrowser window.
That would suck.
Gimo List.
Well, let's do a search.
Mm-hmm.
gi GIMO list.org.
Sorry.
Org.
Okay.
And that's a pretty good, prettygood list of stuff that we have
there.
Different, no agenda.
Agenda.
No agenda.

(01:38:50):
Entertainment experience.
Jingles, Jisu, room meetups,newsletter novels.
Pure Map player.
You know, there's all kinds ofstuff in there.
All kinds of stuff.
Yeah.
And no agenda books.com andyeah.
Anything we've discussed.
I mean, it, it's great.
It's, it's a, it's a wonderfulcommunity.
And by the way, anywhere in theworld, no matter what happens,

(01:39:13):
one tweet and I'll be saved.
Yeah.
whatever's going.
And when we had Snowmageddon, wehad people in Austin helping
other people out.
You know, oh, this guy's stuckin a hotel.
No power.
He needs a sandwich, you know,and people getting him something
to eat and mm-hmm.
You know, cause we could stillcommunicate.
So connection is protectionbrother.

(01:39:33):
That's what you gotta have, bepart of the community.
Absolutely.

Sir Gene (01:39:36):
Well, and the novels, I think it's fascinating too.
Now, I haven't read any ofthese, but I've heard, as you've
mentioned, as the differentbooks have come out, but there
are multiple books around theNo.
Gender Universe.
Yeah.

Themes.
That's this guy's written threeor four, I think.
Mm-hmm.
and he's.
Quote unquote amateur writer.
His books are quite good.
Scott, I think it is ScottMackenzie.
Scott McKenzie yeah.
You know, and he'll he'll sendus a copy.
And you know, it's always fun.
You read it, you know, it, it'sshow related, has a lot of show
related terms in there.
Mm-hmm.
it's hilarious.
Mm-hmm.

Sir Gene (01:40:08):
Yeah.
No, that's, you've encouragedthat kind of stuff and I think
people have really kind ofopened up and let their
creativity shine as a result ofthat.
Which again, I think a lot ofpeople just kind of assume,
well, I want fans that willlisten to'em, to ads that I play

(01:40:28):
and buy those products so that Ican make more money off the ads.
And that's the extent of thatloop With no agenda.
You guys have no ads, but you'vegot this huge, tremendous
network that's been created bypeople that are fans, people
that are listening, and then andin fact become producers.
And you correct.
You totally not, you know,you're not, just not poster you,

(01:40:50):
you greatly welcome it with openarms

and Yes.
And if I can be honest John andI are also lazy.
We don't wanna do any of thisshit.
Uhhuh, And we'll say that we're,we're lazy.
We're not gonna do art.
We, that's not what we do.
We do the show, if you wantthis.
I mean, we, we, we, we startedwith one show a week and then
people start.
Producing so much, and we said,Hey, you want two shows?
Well, we need a lot more art.

(01:41:14):
We need more money.
We need all these differentthings.
And then people stepped up andwe even tinkered with three
shows.
I think we did three shows aweek for a while, but then the
quality went down.
We said, no, it's not good.
It's not good.
Yeah.
Well, I

Sir Gene (01:41:25):
think it ended up frequent.
I remember John saying it wasjust the work's not worth the
paint So three

shows a week is, wouldn't, it wouldn't surprise
me if he said that

Sir Gene (01:41:34):
It's, it's a lot of, a lot of work.
I mean, it's a lot of work for

two shows.
It'ss a lifestyle.
It's not work, it's a lifestyle.
I mean, I'm always readingright.
My best sources are what comesin through email.
You know, I have a lot offiltering and triaging for
email.
Mm-hmm.
that, that's my best source.
That that's where the stuffcomes in.
I mean, like Ohio Train, we gotpeople who live there.
Mm-hmm.
you know, we've got farmers whoare in the, in the neighborhood.

(01:41:58):
They're giving us very differentreports than what's happening in
the media.

Sir Gene (01:42:02):
Well, and if there's anything in the media, even on
the recent thing that I recallhere, the.
the controversy that surroundsthank you for

saying controversy.
I, that's the only way topronounce it.
the project

Sir Gene (01:42:13):
Veritas.
Yeah.
Everybody's just sayingdirector.
There's no info.
There's no info.
No one knows anything, but noagenda has info.

The executive director is literally a no
agenda.
Barron.
Yeah.
Strike Daniel str, literallyexecutive

Sir Gene (01:42:26):
director of Project Veritas.

Yes.
Of both the 5 0 1 and the 5 0 1Mm-hmm.
which, you know, I incorrectlymade some, some assumptions and
he immediately, and I said,yeah.
And we even said, well, we hopestr checks in.
And he did.
He gave us more informationYeah.
Than anybody has in one email,you know?

Sir Gene (01:42:45):
Yeah.
And that, that was not unique.
There have been many instanceswhere people Yeah.
Chime in from places that youdon't necessarily expect them to
be everywhere.
Yeah.
And everywhere, you know, you'vegot Hollywood producers, you've
got all kinds of, you'll,you'll,

you'll, you'll even DM me during a show live.
Well, I No, it's like this, it'slike that.
Cool.
You know, that that's, yes.
You have a direct line to me.
Most people don't.
Yeah.
But yeah, that's how it works.

Sir Gene (01:43:14):
Yeah.
And it, and it's, it does workbecause now you've been doing it
for over 14 years and 15 years.
15 years.
15, yeah.
And it's, and that, and that'snot even your first podcast.
I mean, that's the thing.
It's the cool thing about beingthe guy at the very origin
podcasting is that you're, likeyour second podcast is probably

(01:43:35):
longer than 99.99% of podcaststhat are in existence.

Yeah.
The the No Agenda show cameabout really out of my own
disillusionment with what I wasdoing.
I mean, we started pod show andwhat it resulted is, what it
always results in is we had tocreate, we had to produce
content as cheaply as possible.
Mm-hmm.
arbitrage it, you know, againstwhatever audience acquisition we
could do.
Make no mistake, that's how itworks.
Google spends 12 billion aquarter on t c traffic

(01:44:05):
acquisition costs.
Mm-hmm.
so they're buying people to comeand please look at our ads,
basically.
And then once you had done that,it was like building a NASCAR
out of, you know, spare parts,tuning high, you know, tuning it
to make a great show, a greatnascar, and then you had to put
advertising stickers all overthe windshield so you couldn't
see where you're driving.
I'm like, fuck this.

(01:44:25):
I left my own company for thisvery reason.
No, this is, this is not what Iwant to do.
I don't, I'm not interested init.
Yeah.
And I,

Sir Gene (01:44:32):
I recently re-listened to, I think your third episode
of No.
And first of all, it was 40minutes long.

that long.
I thought there were only 20, 25or 30 in the video.
I said, no jingles, no nothing,no bullshit, no agenda.
Yeah.
And now we're, we're three hoursjingles, all kinds, but no ads.
We never went to the ads.

Sir Gene (01:44:51):
No.
And, and, and it really is theway that, I mean, if I can
compare my podcast a little bit,it's the way that I started all
of mine is just from, I wastalking on the phone to people
and, and after talking on thephone saying, you know, we
should record this.
Let's just record this becauseyour your first podcast with
John very much that vein same.

(01:45:13):
It's like, oh yeah.
Went to a great restaurant, hadthis bottle of wine, you know
it, and the view out of mywindow is this abomination being
built across the street.
But I

think what ha what happened with you is the
same that happened with us, isthe feedback you get from people
starts to drive what you talkabout.
Yeah.
And, and, and then they, youknow, you're probably doing a
lot more interactive with the,with the chat while you're doing
it.
Mm-hmm.
And we have, we have the trollroom, which is our, our version
of the chat room, which, youknow, you wouldn't know that
because Darren kicked you outtabecause

Sir Gene (01:45:42):
I've been banned.
Yes.
I'm Proma Band out of the right.
No agenda.

And for years now, I, I treat the trolls in
the same way.
A bunch of assholes.
I mean, totally.
They're trolls.
They're fuck wads.
But we love'em, you know, and,and especially if, if they
don't, you know, we're like,come on troll room, look this
up, give me the answer.
You know, and, and if they fail,then we scream and yell at'em.
And they're trolling me.
They're trolling each other.
But it does help.
I mean, there is, so I get a lotof good one-liners from the

(01:46:08):
troll room mm-hmm.
like really, really funny stuff.
And I'll use that all the timewithout attribution.
Fuck'em.
They're trolls.
Joe ga funny, Curring away,little trolls, curring under
bridges and trying to hide fromme.
I see you Trolls.
Yeah.

Sir Gene (01:46:24):
Yeah.
No, it trolls.
And it, it does work out great.
And it is a, I think a high barin the sense that it uses
ancient technology and thenpeople have to make an effort to
get into the troll room.
It's not just click a click abutton, and, you know, that's
already built into a platform orsomething.

Shit hasn't changed in 15 years since 14
since void Zero.
Put that up.
Yeah.
It's like, no, exactly.
It's nothing.
We, you know, we, we pay I think$500 a month for our bandwidth
void.
Zero.
Mm-hmm.
has just always markup andron inthe Netherlands.
He is he's always just set it upto help us.
Yes.
It's his value, you know, andhe's, he's been, he's a friend
now.
He's a good friend now.

(01:47:05):
He's, he's a great guy.
I, I, I remember he's doing thatjust to keep it running, you
know, keep everything running.
That's his value that he, hedelivers back.
Yeah.

Sir Gene (01:47:12):
Yeah.
And he's super, I mean, it'slike longer than most employees
have been around It's amazing.

We, we couldn't even afford him if we had to
hire him.
Yeah, exactly.
That's like, like podcast in2.0.
The people that, that the groupof developers, if you could, if
you could hire them, if youcouldn't afford the payroll,
would be astronomical.
Yeah.
And they're more honest witheach other than if they were at
a company.
Yeah.
They're much more honest.
Like, this sucks, I hate this, Ilove this.

(01:47:39):
They support each other, butthey're also ver just honest,
brutally honest.
And that's the only way to go.
Well, and I And you, you don'tget that in the company.

Sir Gene (01:47:46):
You don't.
And I, I think my contributionto that's now fairly enshrined
for podcasting 2.0 is that allthese apps now have a 30 seconds
forward, 15 seconds back intheir forward and back buttons.
Because I, I talked to everysingle developer back a year ago
and I said, oh, I love your app,but here's the thing.

(01:48:07):
Wouldn't it be great if it coulddo this?
Which I like in somebody else'sapp.
I swear to God, I think all theapps I've looked at now, they've
all implemented that kind ofcontrol, which is awesome.

Well, your contribution was actually bigger
than that.
And I also want to mention your,I'm trying to be honest.
Agenda contribution, but goahead.
Go ahead.
No, no, don't don't be modestcuz I'm gonna give it to you
first of all, and I say thiswith respect we have and we
still use.
The Gene's mom.
It's like, my mom won'tunderstand this now your mom

(01:48:38):
passed.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
But for a while it was like,yeah, but will Gene's mom be
able to use it?
Mm-hmm.
that one.
Mm-hmm.
That we use that over and overand over again.
So Gene's mom is still part ofthe legacy.
The other piece of no agenda ofthe value for value model is
very important that people know.
So we had you know, we hadalready instilled the executive
producer, associate executiveproducer level for each show.

(01:48:59):
So if it's$200, two between twoand$300, you're an associate
executive producer.
It's a real credit.
Go look on imdb people registerthese credits there.
Even Hollywood people who listento the show, executive producers
300 or above, if in total overthe lifetime of your
contributions, which can also be$5 a month or a week or, or
whatever.
When you get to a thousanddollars, you become a knight.

(01:49:21):
And we made that up and we havea nighting ceremony and it's the
whole, you know, and, and wesend you a ring a night ring.
And it was in Austin.
I remember it very well.
It was on, we were still onwhat's the Travis Heights
Boulevard.
Yep.
And we sitting in that corner,we had the bookcase and you
said, you know, man, it's timeto time to gamify this shit.
And I said, what do you mean?
He said, well, I'm a knight.

(01:49:42):
I've contributed a thousanddollars.
What do I do now?
I have no aspiration.
It's nothing I can do.
Where can I go from here?
Mm-hmm.
And that's when we implementedthe, the period.
So you go from a knight to abaronet to a Barron.
So every thousand dollars extrathat you accumulate all the way
up to Grand Duke.
And that really excelled.
The gamification factor that youa advised and gave, gave us has

(01:50:05):
been, was, was, yeah.
I mean game, game changing.
Literally.
That really changed the wholedeal because it turns out people
love this.
They, they love parting withtheir money for something that
they enjoy.
And if they have aspiration and,and, and we're very open about,
I mean, you can sit there andcount and you know exactly how
much money we made in eachepisode.

(01:50:25):
No one cares, no one gives ashit.
They're all happy.
The thing is worth the value.
So now we have, you know, wehave a number of of Grand Dukes
who have, you know really Yeah.
Have supported the show overyears with a lot of money.
And that's because of your, yourgenius in that.
And I'm very, John won't say it,but I'm very appreciative.
Well, thank you.
John will say he did it Yes.
No, that was all you.
And that was, that was a greatidea.

(01:50:47):
And you know, I've heard thisreplicated, I mean throughout so
many shows, that gives use valuefor value.
I gave
the

Sir Gene (01:50:52):
same thing to Brian Brushwood too, and he's done
quite

well for this same thing with Brushwood.
Yep.
Yeah.
Do you ever hear from himanymore?

Sir Gene (01:50:59):
Yeah, yeah.
Occasionally.
Every I think I saw him, I wasat a studio slash farm I guess
about four or five months ago,and it was like, yeah, we go, we
gotta get you on again.
And then I don't hear from himagain.
I gotta bug him again.
I think Brian has always one ofthose guys that's always had
like 20 different pokers in thefire.
And if you're not actively ontop of doing something with him,

(01:51:20):
there's five other people thatare actually are, or

trying to, and I don't know, I, I don't see much
of his stuff anymore.
Mm-hmm.
I don't know.
You must be doing TV stuff causeyou're doing, must be doing TV

Sir Gene (01:51:29):
stuff.
Well, it's all, I don't thinkit's tv, but it's a, he's always
had multiple YouTubes.
I know he redid, like back whenwe got together and I think this
is, you know, fairly publiclyknown, but he definitely redid
his company.
Like he cleaned it out.
Got rid of some people that werenot necessarily the best fit.
Brought in some new folks.

(01:51:50):
So he's reinvigorated.

Yeah.
So good, good, good.
Yeah, I always liked him.
I like Bonnie too.
How's Bonnie?
You sure?
Yeah,

Sir Gene (01:51:57):
yeah.
No, she's good.
That's that's kinda the hardthing.
What you really notice is how,how the kids are like growing
crazy

fast.
They're kids.
Oh yeah.
Well they must be driving bynow.
Yeah, I,

Sir Gene (01:52:07):
I I mean how old is she?
I don't remember how old their,that's so crazy, man.
The first, the youngestdaughter, I, I think she is
like, she's around nine, nine or10 years old.
And the way that Brian and I metwas, I was the biggest donor to
his Kickstarter, where the topdonor level was getting to name

(01:52:30):
his kid cuz she wasn't born yet.
And

Oh, that's how shithead came to be.

Sir Gene (01:52:35):
Yeah.
Yeah, exactly.
And And then I was like, there'sno way in hell his wife's gonna
let him do this.
You know, he's just coming upwith, now what do I do if people
give this much money?
He just came up with a crazylevel that he didn't think
anybody would

donate then.
And that

Sir Gene (01:52:50):
was it.
Yeah.
And then we talked and he'slike, then he's getting nervous.
He's starting to back off.
I'm like, dude, I'm not gonnamake you rename your kid.
Don't worry.
I'm just, I want to commandperformance though.
I want you to perform at myvenue of choice.
Oh, right,

right, right.
Personally, I remember thisvaguely.
Yeah.

Sir Gene (01:53:06):
And the irony is I missed the damn performance cuz
I had set it up and I wasworking in California at the
time, so I remember that up inSan Diego.
Remember that too?
I can't remember what the reasonwas.
Yeah.
I think I got gout.
I think I had gout.
That's what it was.
Cuz I, I have had a number ofgout inflammations.
People don't know it's whereyour foot.

Oh that's horrible.
Gout feels

Sir Gene (01:53:24):
gout.
Horrible.
Gout is the worst.
Haven't had it for, that was thelast time I had it, in fact.
So I haven't had it for like adecade and I, cuz I figured out
what it was.
I've, I've always liked eatinglike sardines and liver and like
stuff that's, you know, likepickled organ meats, rush
Russian shit.
Yeah.
Pickled organ meats basically.
Yeah.
Russian shit.
Just say it apparently if youread the literature, that's the

(01:53:47):
stuff that quite frequentlycauses a gout out there.

Cause gout.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
It's inflammation.
Like in Yeah, it sucks.
It's hard.
Yeah.

Sir Gene (01:53:54):
It's, it's basically what it is, is just a uric acid
crystallizes in your blood andyour blood moves slow.
Through your feet.
And so the crystals just kind ofstart to accumulate.
You need to walk, brother.

I keep telling you that.
You need to walk.
I do walk 45 minutes a day everyday.
Walk 45 minutes a day, drinkabout three days a week.
A gallon of water.
Yeah, I do.
And

Sir Gene (01:54:14):
definitely drink a gallon of water.
Water is always good.
I was been the big fan of

water, but I, I love you.
I love your, your Russianeurotrash tracksuit, by the way.
That's pretty fucking cool.
Oh yeah.
No, I'm spot,

Sir Gene (01:54:25):
I spot on.
I've got one for every day now.
That's, that's the whole,

the whole that's on the show.
Yeah.
That's good.
The, the look is good.
I like your dresses.
Was it your c can, what is that?
Which one?
You had a, you had a dress atone point, like a kaf can, a
dress.

Sir Gene (01:54:38):
Yeah.
I've had a lot of differentoutfits.
I don't recall a dress.

Not, not a dress dress, but like a Middle Eastern
type.
Oh guard.

Sir Gene (01:54:45):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Sure.
Yeah.
I would occasionally Those,those look cool on those look
cool on you.
Well, beards go well with a lotof different types of clothes.
Okay.
For sure.

It's the beard.
I got

Sir Gene (01:54:56):
it.
The beard makes the outfit.
I'm telling you right now.
Yeah.
Somebody says I need portraitmode.
I do.
Cuz my, my beard is, you know,it's longer than Is it down to

your crotch now?
Oh yeah, absolutely.
Yeah.
You go out to, to, to eat with,with gene and you has to stick
this whole beard inside.
Like, and that the beard techaround.
Yes.
Yeah, yeah.
A beard tuck.
Yeah.
It's

Sir Gene (01:55:15):
hilarious.
It is.
It's a thing.
It's a real deal.
Plus, I, I.
at where my beard's at.
I can sort of call virtuallyanybody else's beard.
A starter beard.
Yeah.
To get these guys that have, youknow, a good beard.
And it's like, hey, nice starterbeard.
And they kinda look at me like,what?
And then they see me and they'relike, oh, mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Thanks.
Pull the whole thing out.
Yeah.
Yeah.

(01:55:35):
The only time I felt slightlyinadequate with my beard was
when I went to the the WorldBeard Competition back about
five years ago.
Oh, okay.

I remember you

Sir Gene (01:55:44):
went to that.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And I took a lot of photosthere.
I was like, holy shit.
I have barely a beard.
Not anywhere near competitionlevel.
No.
I mean, there was guys withbeards literally to their knees.
Yeah.
There were, there were peoplethat had styled beards that had
like a whole scenes from StarWars made out of their beards.
I mean, it's like, holy shit.
people doing insane stuff.

(01:56:05):
So yeah, I, I just, you know,like you mentioned, you were
lazy for certain things.
The beard to me, I startedgrowing it when I got divorced.
That was to me just a way ofdoing less work in the morning
by not shaving.
And yeah, the difference waswhile I was married I would do
that, but then I would stillshave maybe like every two
weeks.
So I had like the little shortcrop kind of thing going or

(01:56:28):
goatee or whatever.
But you know, when, when thatbecame not an issue, I just let
it grow.
And it turned out that once itgets past about six inches, once
it looks like a long.
beard.
Yeah.
Okay.
A lot of people actually give mecompliments, so it's like, oh,
that's awesome.
You know, I've gotten a lot morecompliments with the beard just

(01:56:49):
from random strangers than Iever had when I didn't have a
beard.
Well, now yeah.
And black girls like beards alot.

Let me tell you that.
Welcome to Beard Talk.
Mm-hmm.
Beard

Sir Gene (01:57:01):
Talks.
Have you thought about drawing abeard out at

em?
I started a beard for a littlebit there, but it's not for me.
It doesn't go fast enough.
No, it's not for me.
It takes a while.
I, I also still wet shave, youknow?
I use a razor.
Yeah.
I like it.
Yeah.
It's part of, I like it.
I like shaving every day.
You like the, it

Sir Gene (01:57:16):
doesn't, doesn't bother me feeling.
I, I will say the fresh face.
Do you like the feeling that Ihaven't experienced for a long
time of having a freshly shaved,especially at a barbershop with
a straight edge and a hot towel.
That is a great feeling.
Yeah.
The only time I get that is Iget that on my head.
Occasionally I will go to abarber and I'll do a, a a, I'll

(01:57:36):
have'em do a, a head shave witha straight edge and then so I, I
still get that experiencewithout sacrificing the beard.

Yeah.
This is where we difference somany ways.
Yes.
So your

Sir Gene (01:57:47):
hair was always a big part of your image in the early
part of your life.
For sure.
Of course,

of course.
Yeah.
That, but that was, it wasapplicable.
It was appropriate.
Everyone had that hair.
You know,

Sir Gene (01:57:57):
not everyone had the hair you had.
I think maybe people

tried.
No, that's true.
They did not succeed.
That's true.
My hair was was a thing of itsown, had its own life, had its
own its own its own place inheaven.

Sir Gene (01:58:08):
And I'm gonna assume everybody knows you were an MTV
VJ back when they played music,but there for the one or two
people that don't you can lookup Adam Curry and you'll find
some, some of the images backfrom those days.
And then he had Magnificent Manof Hair.
It was lioness,

I would say.
It was funny.
I just I got an email from youprobably won't remember, Lillian
Ax, if you remember that band.
Mm-hmm.
It was on Head Banger's Ball.
So I debuted their first videoever.
Mm-hmm.
on Head Banger's Ball in 1988.
Those guys are still goingstrong.
They look a bit like you with,with only black beards and
they're, they're definitelymetal.
Mm-hmm.
yeah.

(01:58:44):
Rock slash Metal.
But, you know, heavy screamingguitars and stuff.
And so they just released their10th studio album and they have
a video, it's called feelings ofAbsent mm-hmm.
And it's, it's a good song.
These guys are still, andthey're, you know, they're like,
they're in the Louisiana musicHall of Fame, songwriters, hall
of Fame.
They've been very successful.
Okay.
And they reached out and said,Hey, Would you mind doing the

(01:59:07):
intro to our video and referback to the first time in 88.
And I had a blast doing it, youknow, so that video's coming out
pretty soon.
So it was me literally like,Hey, remember back in 35 years
ago, these guys, so they're,they're still here, you know,
and intro the video and it,that's wild.
Team Tino was doing the video,the camera for me, Uhhuh And
she's like, holy shit, you, youcan just turn the button on and

(01:59:30):
do it.
I said, yeah, I can turn the, Ican turn the MTV guy thing on
mm-hmm.
and do an intro at any point.
You can wake me up in the middleof the night.
I can still do it.

Sir Gene (01:59:38):
Yeah.
No, that's awesome.
And I, that was certainly myfirst exposure to you.
It was watching MTV and althoughI was never much of a metalhead,
but you were on there quite abit, so.
Yeah.
Well, I, I

Shows great.
Yeah, I did.
Yeah, I did shows beat besideshead Banger's, ball.
Mm-hmm.
But I loved the head, headbanger's.
Ball was fun.
Yeah.
Lot of fun.
And Yes, yes.
Pyramid seven, Lillian Ax.
That's

Sir Gene (01:59:58):
correct.
The band name.
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah, they're here, I'll justflip, flip'em.
I did a quick search for em hereas well.

No, you won't, you won't find the new one.
I don't think

Sir Gene (02:00:07):
that's been released yet.
No, it's not.
I didn't, but that's the band,right?
Those guys?

Yeah.
Yep.
Lilian a.

Sir Gene (02:00:15):
Yeah.
No, it, it's, it's funreminiscing.
But the stuff you're doing rightnow, I think is the most
exciting out of everything

It is to me.
I mean, it, I, it's just anothernew period.
I've done crazy things in mylife.
I ran up, I took a companypublic, ran it for a while.
Mm-hmm.
in all kind.
I've had incredible experiences.
Really happy.

Sir Gene (02:00:35):
And when you say took a company public, you had a
company with a thousandemployees.

This is a real 700.
700.
Yeah.
All right.
Close.
No, it was big.
It was big.
It was

Sir Gene (02:00:44):
a real company.
Yeah.
It was a real company.
It was not a you know,

and it was pre.com, you know, which means
we didn't raise a billiondollars, but we took, we were on
nasdaq, think new ideas.
Mm-hmm.
we ran it.
Profit.
Shocker.
That doesn't happen.
Shocker.
I know.
How crazy were we?
And then Mark Cuban walked awaywith fucking broadcast.com for$2
billion.
Like, so that's, that's stillliving on that money.
Yeah.

(02:01:08):
You know, I mean, it's funnybecause I've, I was very wealthy
at one point through some stockinvestments and that went to
zero.
And I basically, I, the money Ihad, I just spent it all I spent
it on helicopters and castlesand cosmetics companies and all
kinds of interesting, fun stuff.
And, but I've never worriedabout money.
It's like, okay, if I have it, Ihave it.

(02:01:29):
If not, and whenever I needsomething, it always shows up.
So

Sir Gene (02:01:32):
I, I love that.
I remember I was talking toChristina when she was here and
talking My daughter.
Your daughter.
Yeah.
When, mm-hmm.
when she was talking about thecastle days and writing a what
are those things called?
The little tractor?
No, no, no.
The the, the little thing you,you step on and you zoom around.
Oh, the, the,

the z the the zappy.
No, the, no the ah, theSegueway.
Segueway.
That's the, we need, we neededto get from the kitchen to the
living room.
We needed the segueway far inthe walk.
We had to call each other on thephone.
Where are

Sir Gene (02:02:01):
you writing a segue inside your castle cuz it's

too far away.
That was hilarious.
That was fun.
That was fun.
Good times.
Yeah, good times, man.

Sir Gene (02:02:07):
And that, and that's the thing is I, I have done, I
have not done that, but I'vedone a lot of interesting stuff
in my life and it's.
It's always fun to do crazythings like that, but not let
them define you at all.
Like, you're not the guy thathas to write a segue across the
kitchen anymore.

No, I don't give a shit I don't, I really don't
give a shit about anything.
No.
You know, I, I love my wife, Ilove our daughters.
You know, I have twostepdaughters.
I love her dog.
I love her friends.
I love what I do.
We're healthy.
We have great community outhere.
I love God that that helps.

Sir Gene (02:02:44):
Yeah.
That's, that's, so that's a newtopic.
I mean, I don't want toinsinuate that you hated God in
the past, but No, it's new forme.
Certainly newly, it's a, it's anew topic that I've heard in
your life, so yeah.
You wanna talk about that alittle bit?
What happened?
Yeah, sure, sure.
No problem.
I can

tell you what happened.
I mean, I'm, I'm new to this, soit, it also, it is all very new.
Mm-hmm.
Well, it's interesting becauseTina and I both came to this at
the same time from differentdirections.
She was raised Catholic.
Mm-hmm.
which I don't think she wasreally ever in her veins or
anything.
But I woke up one day and I lookaround me and everyone I'm
working with is a Christian DaveJones from podcast in 2.0, Mo

(02:03:19):
Texas Slim.
And, you know, I, I started,said, oh wow.
And, you know, from time to timeit's like, so do you think with
Revelation, like well really gointo hell and fire and brimstone
and, you know, I could ask thesethings and these guys would,
they'd never pushed anything onme.
It was never a big deal.
And you know, Moe would say, ohyeah, I, I pray before we do the
show.

(02:03:39):
Said, that's interesting.
You see, I pray we have a goodshow.
And I decided about 11 monthsago, maybe, said, I'm gonna look
into this stuff, Mm-hmm.
It's like, cuz I've, you know,I've nine 11 conspiracies, jfk.
You, I mean, I am the conspiracytherapist.
I, you know, moon Landing.
I look into all this stuff and Iread a lot and I, and I love it.

(02:04:00):
And I come up with my ownthoughts about stuff and I share
them on the show.
And I thought, well this is,this is a conspiracy theory.
I've never really looked at Isthis thing real?
Was is God real?
Is was Jesus real?
Is he, was he?
Is He.
And I, and actually Tina and Iwere talking about that on our
show.
Mm-hmm.
Korean the keeper, Korean thekeeper.com.
And so people started sending mestuff and listen, you know,

(02:04:23):
there's tons of books and one ofthem is evidence that Demands a
Verdict.
It was really, it's not really abook.
It's like an outline of allthese things that prove that
Christ was real.
And you know, and I just lookedat it purely from my conspiracy
minded way.
Mm-hmm.
it's like, you know, I've readeverything that used to read
about, I mean, I'm a member ofPilots for nine 11.
Truth, I mean, I know.

(02:04:44):
I'm a pilot, so I understand alot of these things.
And you know, there's a lot ofdifferent stuff that just
doesn't make sense.
At a certain point you get tothe part, well, you have to
believe something or not.
You weren't there.
So like the moon landing, well,I was not there, but there's,
there's no evidence.
The worst part of the moonlanding is that they erased the,
the tapes of the moon landing.
You know, it's like, okay.
So yeah, that kind of tells yousomething, right?

(02:05:06):
But then you look at what's beenwritten about Christ.
Yeah.
No one's ever

Sir Gene (02:05:08):
gonna wanna watch that

again.
Who cares Exactly.
Who cares?
Just bulk it.
And you start reading aboutChrist and you know, still the
number one book is the Bible.
And after three weeks I'm like,well, this is obvious by my
standards of conspiracy theoristresearch, this is real.
And so then I decided to committo it and see how that felt.
Mm-hmm.

(02:05:29):
And we have a church here thatTina had had attended a couple
times on Sunday, so I can't go,but they have YouTube live and
it's a great show.
I'm, it's like, and I, I eventold the pastor, pastor Jimmy
said, man, you got a great assshow.
You know, it's, they, and heplays guitar as well in the, in
the worship team, which isChristian for band for some
reason.
Mm-hmm.
it's, you know, it's not a band.
It's the worship team.

(02:05:50):
And they got like eight manband, three singers, you know,
it's pretty decent.
Sound is good.
And he relates the gospel to themessage and, and I'm like, this
is pretty interesting.
And then something really coolhappened, I was a guy in my
life, Neil Jones, he's still inmy life.
And he had about two years,years ago, he started sending
clips as a producer to the show.

(02:06:10):
And he lives in Alabama and hewas a custodian at a school.
And, and he says, you know, youand John motivated me so much.
I decided I'm gonna quit my jobas a custodian, and I'm going,
I'm still gonna do your clips.
And just, he does great clips.
They're the right clip.
The clip custodian, clipcustodian.
He has the right clips, they'relabeled right, they're the right
length.
I mean, he gets it, he gets it,he gets it, he gets it.

(02:06:32):
And he would send, like, hestill does 12, 15 clips a show.
I mean, I don't play'em all, butthey're all playable and, and
he's a Christian and I, I dunnoif we were talk, if we really
just, he would say God bless orwhatever on email, never talked.
And then one day he says, Adam,I'm, I'm destroyed here.

(02:06:53):
My, my son has leukemia just allof a sudden out of the blues,
eight year old son.
And I started praying for hisson and he was like, you know,
job the apostles sat with job.
And I said, you know, brotherNeil, I'm gonna sit with you.
I, I'll be here.
I can't do much, but pray andI'll be here for you when you're
down or whatever, or whatever Ican do.
But I'm gonna pray.

(02:07:13):
And in under a year, that boy iscompletely cancer free.
I'm not saying that.
God does this all the time, orthat's how it works, or that our
prayer necessarily ha to mepersonally, that was a, God
said, oh, hold my beer.
Let me just show you CurryMm-hmm.
I needed that.
I needed to see that, I neededto, to have that experience.
And, you know, it could comeback.

(02:07:33):
Anything could happen.
But that, that really took me toa level of wow.
And then I, now I read the Bibleand I read I have a great study
Bible.
I read explanations and there'sa lot of stuff I didn't know,
and it's really interesting and,and incredibly fun.
Mm-hmm.
to read.
And and, and you know, you, it'slike having a 10 speed bike.
A lot of people have 10 speedbikes all of a sudden So a lot

(02:07:55):
of these, oh wait, you're aChristian.
Oh, I didn't know that.
You know, and it's just, it, it,it is like an interesting club
that seems to be pretty bigworldwide.
And what was really beautifuland I think maybe this is part
of what I, this is why I saypodcast, you know, you know, the
first podcasters who reallypiled on were podcasters.
They were the first ones toreally get it.

(02:08:17):
Oh man, you know, I, I can'tafford the cable TV channel or
the satellite, but I can, I canspread the message the way I
want to through podcasting.
Mm-hmm.
not saying that podcasting wasonly meant for for you know, for
religious stuff.
There's kind of another, anothersub-theme that that was go.
A thread that was running alonghere is Naomi only Wolf who

(02:08:37):
we've played clips fromthroughout the history of the
shows.
She's super lefty, you know?
Mm-hmm.
Jewish, upper East Side, NewYork Elite.
And during the Covid PandemicPandemic, she was sitting at one
of those, you know, hedge fundmanager dinners, upper East
Side.
And she heard these peopletalking with such horrible,

(02:09:00):
saying horrible things aboutpeople and economy and, and she
said, I know these people.
They're not bad people.
It must be evil.
It must be evil that's takenhold of them.
And, and I have this, I agree ifthere's evil, there has to be
balance, there has to be a good,and what is that good?
And she literally became what wecall the Messianic Jew.
She, she started to pray.
She's become a Christian, whichis really interesting.

(02:09:22):
If you, if you're Jewish, it hasa whole nother level of family
and stuff that you have to kindof break through.
And so, it has really enrichedmy life and I feel super happy.
Not that, not like all of asudden you, you pray or you, or
you believe in Jesus, and thenyour life is great.
But it does give you aperspective on things and, and
history historically.

(02:09:43):
It's really interesting.
To see how nothing is new.
Nothing is new at all.
And so it's just been great andI'm learning is new.
And so I, I went on Rogan and Iknew that I was gonna talk about
it because I knew that that wasin me.
I was gonna mention this to him,and I told a shorter version of
this story.
Mm-hmm.
And I also knew that Joe wouldtreat me respectfully and he
would question me, and I kind oflook forward to it.

(02:10:03):
I want, what, what is he gonnaask me?
You know?
And I also said at one point, I,I don't know, man, I don't have
an answer to that because Ijust, I'm new to this, but I can
feel there's something in it.
And the response to that is, hasbeen nothing short of amazing.
This entire YouTube videos werethousands of comments and
pastors dissecting me sayingthis I'm like, so now I realize

(02:10:25):
that people who are Christianbelieve in God.
And maybe it goes for allreligions.
Mm-hmm.
it's really, it's not cool totalk about it because, you know,
by the way, you can shit onChristians anytime you want.
You can't do it to Muslims, notfor Islam or not for Jews, but
you can shit on the Christians.
And I think that because I don'thave any of that weight on me,
and I, and I'm already in ahappy, good place.

(02:10:48):
I'm a, I'm a, you know, I'm, Ihave had a good life and I look
forward to another, you know, atleast 40 years that people
really took that, the heart,it's like, wow, if this guy can
say it, then why can't I say it?
You know, and it doesn't meanthat you're, that you're, that
you're a nut job or that you'rea right wing, you know, hate L G
B T and you know,anti-abortionists, you know, all

(02:11:08):
these labels that are put on usmm-hmm.
and and so I've just, it's justan outpouring of that's this
mind blowing that people are dithat pastors scholars are
dissecting the conversation.
Joe and I had and people arelike, oh, I'm so happy.
This is so cool that he saidthis.
Also, I've been praying for youfor 10 years that, that you, you

(02:11:29):
would be saved.
Like what?
I, I had no idea.
So, you know, yeah.
That's kind of, kind of whereI'm at, you know, and I'm, I'm
not, I'm not preachy oranything.
That's the last thing I want tobe, but if people ask me, just
like my friends who answer myquestions, I'm happy to answer
what I can.
Mm-hmm.
it's been great.
That's, that's cool.
It's been been

Sir Gene (02:11:47):
really fun.
How, now, what was your familyreligiously when you were a kid?

Well, I was baptized, so, I, I think we were
probably, they weren't, I mean,my parents, we grew up and they
went to they were Unitarian.
Yeah.
And we went to church on Sundayand I was like, I did not like
that at all.
And, and one of the worst thingswhen we came to the Netherlands
when I was seven or eight, theyfound their own Unitarian

(02:12:14):
community.
And I, I remember quitedistinctly, we, one Sunday we
got up at like two 30 in themorning.
Drove for hours to go up onthis.
The Netherlands pretty flat, soyou had to drive quite a way to
get to the hill.
It was a hill.
And then we were all up thereand then, you know, we watched
the sunrise and someone had acassette player, and while the

(02:12:35):
sun rose, they played KatStevens Morning has broken.
And that really, that reallyturned me off, brother, let me
tell you from, from any kind ofreligion.
And Kat Stevens this is like,no, this is not, what the hell
are we doing here?
This is not cool.
So yeah.
And I've really, yeah, I'vealways had respect certainly on
no agenda early on, if, youknow, you say God damn or

(02:12:58):
something like that.
Mm-hmm.
I would get notes.
People would say, Hey man,please don't take the Lord's
name in vain.
Mm-hmm.
And we don't, we don't piss onanyone's religion.
We've never have.
We don't care.
It's, it is not who we are.
We're we're just what you do,what you do, whatever you wanna
do.
And so I've just always hadrespects, you know, one of our
biggest donors is Muslim.
Mm-hmm.
And he has, and he'll send in anote, a synonymous of Dog patch

(02:13:20):
and lower SL Ovia, and he'llsend in a note and he'll when
it's when it's Passover or whenit's Yom Kipur, you know mm-hmm.
it's like there's a lot of roomfor everybody.
And I love that.
And I think no agenda is reallygood in that regard.
And I think we have a lot ofChristians and Catholics who
listen to the show because wedebunk a lot of crap and we, we
just, we've never, same, youknow, we.

(02:13:40):
I mean, John May say the blacksare the gays, but he's just old
But we, we don't, we don't, wedon't shit on anybody.
And we have trans listeners, wehave gay listeners, we have all
kinds of I should say producers.
And, and so it's really, it'sreally quite a diverse group.
And so, you know, we don't talk,I don't talk about my faith on

(02:14:00):
the show, on no agenda.
I mean, yeah, it's like Iwouldn't talk about a lot, you
know, just lots of stuff.
We don't talk.
No.
Who cares.
Yeah.
We're there to deconstruct mediaand have a good time.
That's what it's about.
Well,

Sir Gene (02:14:10):
and, and it's interesting too cuz like I met
Mark, I took him and hisgirlfriend at the time, who's
now his wife out for

oh, mark VO Zero.
Yeah.
Mike Mark, boy Zero oh oh.
Yeah.
He went through quite the

Sir Gene (02:14:22):
transformation.
Yeah.
And, and I remember when youknow, our conversations not very
often, but occasionalconversations.
I kind of went from just purelytalking about tech stuff and
then started telling you he wasin the aliens

and stuff.
He was using the OC, cult,aliens, all kinds of stuff.
Mm-hmm.
and all of a sudden Catholic,like Yeah.
Like old school.
Hardcore.
Hardcore old core.
Yeah.
Really cool.
Yeah.
And so, you know, I, I I gave mytestimony to him mm-hmm.
and he's like, that's so cool.
And let me tell you howimportant the Virgin Mary is.
You know, he sent me all kindsof book.
You know, this, it's differentfrom where I'm at, but it's,

(02:14:56):
yeah.
I love that.
I mean, I, I like reading stuff.
I like understanding stuff.
Mm-hmm.
I like conspiracies, you know,so this is totally a pretty big
one.
You know, this is, you know, theguy said, like, Jesus said, I'm,
I'm gonna, you, you know, becondemned.
They're gonna kill me.
I'm going to die for your sins.
I'm gonna come back after threedays.
And and then I'll, and I'll comeback and I'll show you.

(02:15:17):
And he, you know, he, he cameback and 500 people witnessed
him.
Mm-hmm.
which is detailed in acts, youknow, there's, at a certain
point, like, you can only makeup so much and just have to, all
right.
If I'm gonna believe that nine11 was a total inside job, and,
and I can sh point to the fakeevidence, then I've gotta
believe this too.

(02:15:38):
I, I, I can't believe one andthe other, particularly with the
amount of evidence that, and,and well evidence is maybe the
wrong word of writing about isscholars have dissected mm-hmm.
this for, for thousands ofyears, thousands of years.
It's still here.
We, and look at all the languagewe still use.
You know, when you hit that airpocket, you hear the whole plane

(02:15:58):
going, oh God.
Oh, Jesus helped me You know?
So there, there's a lot.
That's probably the most funthing is reading.
Like, I see you sting everybreath you take, every step you
take.
Have you make, I see you sting.
You took that right from theBible.
Mm-hmm.
I mean, there's, there's words,entire songs, names, and best,
you know, I love the names thathave been used for products and

(02:16:21):
I see where they come from inthe Bible.
This is, this is, it's, Hey, I'm58.
This is cool to learn this now.

Sir Gene (02:16:28):
Well, and I, I think it's, it is, you have to have
such big blinders on to thinkthat western civilization has
not been the most impacted byChristianity above any other
religions out there.
Right.
On.
You know, if you are looking atChina, obviously things are a
little different, but but up ununtil at the, the recent few

(02:16:50):
years, it, it really seemed likeWestern civilization was ahead
of all the other civilizationsin, not in terms of necessarily
specific accomplishments, but interms of the important things
like the, the, the freedom ofspeech, the individual liberty,
the You know, a governmentselected by the people rather

(02:17:10):
than passed on

from generations.
How about the individual?
The individual as, yeah, I mean,it used to, I'm actually working
on a, with this on a couple ofpeople how Bitcoin connects to
God.
And if it does, and it does inone way, and you know, if you
look at before Christ, it wasthe family and land.
Mm-hmm.
the individual was not asimportant.
That was to be married off, toconnect, to join land together.

(02:17:33):
Mm-hmm.
Christ, Christ really broughtthe individual and the
responsibilities into, intoplay, which of course, a
thousand years later ultimatelybecame the Magna Carter, which,
you know, is now the genesis ofthe Constitution.
And throughout that coin,cutting and clipping and control
of money has been quite theissue.
I was, I, I was talking to MaxKaiser about this mm-hmm.

(02:17:54):
at lunch, he says, oh, I canhelp you with that.
He says Bitcoin is Jesus 2.0.
He says, God tried this Jesusthing.
And and we made it a mess of it.
So he said, I'm, I'm gonna tryone more time.
I'm gonna give you Bitcoin.
You, you got it.
It's gonna be there.
They can't get rid of it.
You guys run with it or not?
That's that's the Max Geiserversion.

Sir Gene (02:18:12):
Yeah.
That sounds like Max Geiser.
Bitcoin is everything.
I

love that That cracked me up.
Mm-hmm.
you know, but I, I, I don't mockit out of hand.
I take

Sir Gene (02:18:21):
it into account.
Yeah.
Well, it's wild stuff.
Well, I just glanced to theclock and know we've been
running a good long time.
You've been talking for two anda half hours, multiple.
I'm happy, happy to talk to you,obviously.
And we have talked for many morethan just two and a half hours.
Mm-hmm.
But I also want to be sensitiveto your time as well as,

I'm just tired now.
I'm just getting, I'm hungry.
I want to eat something dog

Sir Gene (02:18:42):
needs to take.
You got some steak in the, inthe, in the fridge.
You gonna cook up or whatcha youget on meat?
You know, we,

we, we eat burgers for breakfast, brother.
I'm telling you.
We eat, we eat.
Nice.
We're almost almost carnivoreshere.
Tina.
Awesome.
Ever since she went on prettymuch all, you know, cause
there's lots of PSYOPs aboutmeat, you know, red meat.
Mm-hmm.
you're gonna die.
It's, it's cancerous.
It's gonna sit in your systemfor years and it's sludge and
all that.
And you know, I've never felt sogood as to Absolutely.

(02:19:06):
We just really eating animalprotein every, every single day.
And we've cut out, you know,seed oils, all, none of that.
Mm-hmm.
none of that.
And it's actually cheaper, youknow, when we get it from K and
C cattle.
Yeah.
And we get a, you know, like athird of a cow which lasts quite
a long time for us.
And they give all, all the cutsand the beautiful cuts.
You know, we, we just, shekeeps, she's making cool

(02:19:28):
recipes, you know, try tip withcoffee rubs and, I mean, you
name it man.
It's just, you gotta come outand have some meat with us.
I will come, come share

Sir Gene (02:19:36):
some meat.
I promise.
I will definitely, I'lldefinitely come up for that.

We have a railing now up to the suite so
you won't fall off when youdrink too much.
So,

Sir Gene (02:19:44):
you know.
Well, I don't, I'm still notdrinking.
really?
You know, I I Oh wow.
Took last year off.
That was my experiment.
Yeah.
As I, I wanted to, cuz it, whatI noticed is during Covid, I was
hardly ever drinking.
I maybe drank like four timesduring Covid and thought, well
this, this isn't that hard.
Let me just do a whole year.
Cuz I know that, like, I'venever really felt any negative

(02:20:08):
stuff from drinking, but it is apoison, it's objectively a
poison.
Hey.
Yeah.
And so that's why we take itwell yeah.
And so I thought, well, let mejust do a whole year and I did a
year and technically I'm allowedby myself to drink now.
Yeah.
I'm getting round to it anddon't know that I will, I may

(02:20:28):
not drink again for the rest ofmy life.

Yeah.
You know, I, I get it.
It's, I completely, yeah.
So that's analogous to my weedstores.
Like, I just stopped, like Yeah.
I don't

Sir Gene (02:20:39):
really care.
Yeah.
And I don't, it's not that Ididn't enjoy drinking Yeah.
But it was mostly about thepeople I was with, not about the

alcohol.
That would be, that would bepretty, pretty logical.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So

Sir Gene (02:20:51):
it's I dunno.
But again, I'm, I'm obviouslyhappy to see you guys and we'll
do it in person.
Get your ass

out Hill Country brother.
You're, you know, you'rewelcome.
Anytime.
Yes, I will.
I will definitely do that.
Don't let another 4th of July goby.
Yeah,

Sir Gene (02:21:05):
I know.
I know.
It's and time's accelerating asyou will know.

That's the crazy part.
The years are taking less andless time.
How old are you now?
You You're 52.
52?
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
52.
Yeah.
Well, you'll never catch up.

Sir Gene (02:21:17):
Well, I can

try.
You catch up to me.
Never catch up to me brother,than I'm now the oldest kid on
the block.
It's cra actually.
Yeah.
I'm the oldest

Sir Gene (02:21:23):
one now.
Nice.
I, it was about six years agowhere I came into a company to
run it and I realized that I wasliterally the oldest person
there, and I wasn't even 50 yet.
Yeah.
I was like, holy shit.

And they have a lot to learn these

Sir Gene (02:21:40):
youngins, don't they?
Yes.
Darren says 152.
Yes, Darren.
I'm trying to leave the one outjust to make myself look
younger, but it is technicallyis 152.
Your, Hey, how

many people, how many people are, are

Sir Gene (02:21:51):
watching us now?
Oh, we're down to 54.

Oh, man.
I know.
How many do you get in total onthese things?

Sir Gene (02:21:57):
So it, it'll vary.
I think we'll probably get20,000 ish on this one.
Oh, nice.
Maybe more.
The, here's the thing.
I, this is, I'm recording apodcast.
It just happens to have video.
So I did not at all publicizethe fact that you're gonna be on
here.
That's good.
I told a few people, and I thinkone or two of those might have
said something on Twitter, butfor the most part, Like I didn't

(02:22:20):
post on no agenda social.
I didn't talk about it anywherecuz I wanted, well I, it's the
podcast episode that I want togo out there, not have a bunch
of people watching the video,but obviously the video of this
is gonna be online.
That's

how, that's how you do your grift.
You gotta do your grift, yougotta sell your shit.
I got it.
That's right.
I'm, I'm with you.
I'm buy some of those emmpthings.
People buy one, send it to me.
That's

Sir Gene (02:22:41):
right.
They'll, they're expensive.
I they're not cheap.
They're not cheap, but, youknow, not cheap at all.
When you need one, you need oneat all.
Yeah.
You never know.
That's, that's the thing becauseyou wouldn't want your generator
to not start when you get hit byan emmp.
I'm, I'm,

seriously, I gotta look into the, I think the
ground, I gotta look into theMcKen, the engineering of it.
Yeah.
The electro engineering.
But sounds, sounds

Sir Gene (02:23:05):
reasonable.
It's, I think it's legit.
It's just a product that for themost,

I don't have anything.
I won't have anything to power.
I mean, everything else will beflawed.

Sir Gene (02:23:12):
I mean, you know, that will be done.
It depends.
Well actually lights.
Yeah.
Well, and I, I will give yousome of the ponchos as well.
I gotta replenish the stockhere.
But the the ponchos do blockalpha and beta radiation so
that, that provides some levelof assurance.
Yeah.
Oh, absolutely.
Yeah.
It's well, well documented.
You still gotta watch out forGamma though, that, that might

(02:23:34):
be a problem.

Always on the lookout for gamma.
Mm-hmm.
Gamma is, is dangerous.
For

Sir Gene (02:23:41):
sure.
don't, don't do gamma radiation.

Hey, kids don't do gamma.
Not good.
Yeah.
Don't for not

Sir Gene (02:23:47):
good for you.
Not good for

you.
Not good for you.

Sir Gene (02:23:49):
Exactly brother.
Your teeth will fall out.

This was fun man.
I liked it long, but I like, butit's always good talking with
you.
You don't have to come by for amonth or two.
I'm tired of you.
But then come

Sir Gene (02:23:58):
on by Okay, that sounds good.
No, I'll, I'll definitely getout there.
I know I've been saying that forlike six months and, but the
last time I was gonna come out Ihad a little emergency I had to
go take care of.
But I know, I know.
We'll get one scheduled all.
It's all good.
Okay ma'am, and thank you forbeing on, dude.
I appreciate it.
Of course, of course.

Thank everybody in the chat room.
That was fun watching it all atall.
Fly by a lot of people.
I don't know some names.
I do

Sir Gene (02:24:20):
recognize there'll be a lot more people that you don't
know that'll watch thiseventually and then they'll know
who you are.
There you go.
Yeah.
Cuz they all know me anyway, youknow.
Yeah, you're Sir Gene

That's right.
Knows.
Alright brother.
All right

Sir Gene (02:24:32):
man.
Thank you.
Do

I just hang up?
Do I just

Sir Gene (02:24:34):
leave?
Yeah, you just, you could justclose the browser.
It's that simple.
Okay.
And he said poof.
There we go.
Then that was Adam CurryHopefully you guys enjoyed that.
Like I said to Adam just nowthis was a mainly a podcast
recording, but this was the vivideo component of it.

(02:24:56):
So you guys gotta see thepodcast get made.
In i r l as it were.
And then the episode will be outprobably later today or if not
then tomorrow.
And then the, the video will beup.
I didn't cover a whole lot ofAdam's backstory, just a little
bits and pieces here and there,cuz I'm assuming most people
already know by now.
I mean, he was on Rogan fivetimes, the most recent, only a

(02:25:18):
month ago.
So there's a lot of stuff thatyou can get from his other
interviews.
But yeah hopefully everybodyenjoyed it.
And now a little bit of thebehind the scenes before the
recording started banter.

Oh, I've

Sir Gene (02:25:33):
been I've been banning a lot of people from there.
Although one of

em has no, you can't ban anyone.
You can block people from theiraccount, but, but you can't ban
ban only I

Sir Gene (02:25:43):
have the power You have the full power.
Exactly.
Mm-hmm.
Exactly.
So.
First of all let me give you thelink for the YouTubes which is
very simple.
It's just youtube.com.
Now, where are you, where areyou giving this to me?
I'm gonna give it to you.
It'll pop up in a private chat.
Actually, I can post it.

(02:26:03):
I mean, it's not gonna harmanything.
Or I can put it into privatechat.

Oh, I see here.
Oh, here?
Yeah.
Okay.
What is this program,

Sir Gene (02:26:11):
restream?
So this is a Restream studio.
Mm-hmm.
which is a purely web-based,very, very easy to use, I think
interface for a live streaming.
Mm-hmm.
Did you send this link?
I don't see the link.
No.
I'm still typing it.
Hey, rich.

There it is.
Yes, I am.
I am a indeed a vapor.
Yes.

Sir Gene (02:26:32):
He, Adam is, yes.
You've been vaping for a while.
Well, we get into that.
We'll, we'll talk about some ofthese topics.
I asked, so there's a little bitof a fu bar.
I, I neglected to like set upthe stream ahead of time and
post about it and get people, Imean, I actually tweeted about
it, but

I didn't set it up.
That's, that's why only 36people are watching.
Exactly.
I I feel so lucky.
That's exactly right.
Fuck you.
Term of ban is back on.
You're not allowed in anywhere.
You're done, damnit.
Done.

Sir Gene (02:27:00):
But, you know, hey, we'll, we'll probably be
replayed on our tea, so it's allgood.
You just can't watch it in theUnited States cuz it's, man,
that's all,

Well, you, you, art is your stuff.
You, you kidding, right?
No,

Sir Gene (02:27:11):
I'm kidding.
Obviously.
I'm kidding.
Okay.
I, I don't, I don't have, Idon't have that

kind of pool dead you, you've com You've
completely walked away from me.
You, you don't come anymore.
You don't drop by the house.
You don't do, your note is down.
You don't do 2.0 anymore.
You're just completely, you're aYouTuber.
You've been sucked in in, by theBorg.
By the Borg.

Sir Gene (02:27:30):
I get sucked in by the YouTubes.
That is true.
But yeah, no, it's, I've been,been busy trying to figure this
stuff out, doing stuff.
Although we definitely need toget

together and I know you also have no job.
I don't understand what, I don't

Sir Gene (02:27:43):
have a, I know I need to get a job I seriously need a
job.
you just kinda get used to notworking after a while.
That's the's
the

problem.
This, this, this picture of meis very I know that you took
that in Dallas.
I

Sir Gene (02:27:54):
know that very well.
I take Yes.
That was in Dallas.
Mm-hmm.
that's correct.
Mm-hmm.
because I don't want to use, youknow, somebody else's caped
material.
So I have to get a photo of youthat, that I actually shot.
You were, you have that look ofenjoyment on your face in, in
that photo.

Yeah.
It, it was a very enjoyable timein the cigar bar.
I remember it very well.
Yeah.
It was nice.
It was a, it was really nicemeeting you.
I remember, uh mm-hmm.
we were very road weary.
Mm-hmm.
and, and you and you set us upand made us feel comfortable in
Dallas.
And that was highly appreci.
And, and right then and there, Isaid, dude, this guy is some
kind of government asset.

(02:28:30):
I don't know who he's workingfor, but I like it.

Sir Gene (02:28:33):
Well, yeah, no, I, I, I, yeah, I think I had you guys
stay in the, in the Marriott.
Uh mm-hmm.
in Plano then.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It was, it was nice.
Nice.
Plano.
Yeah.
Plano relaxing.
Good time.
But it, I mean, dude, 2012, thatwas thir 11 years

ago.
Time flies.
I thought it,

Sir Gene (02:28:54):
was it 2012?
I thought it was.
That's what the photo says.
I'm going by the photo capture.

It has to be, it has to be earlier than that
because we moved to Austin, Ithought in 2010.
Yeah, you did.
Maybe even earlier.
End of 29,

Sir Gene (02:29:10):
20.
But this, this was your, yourdrive up to Dallas.
Mm.
Okay.
Which was certainly after youmoved there.
So this would've been back whenyou were still living on the
lake house.
At the lake

house, yes.
Mm-hmm.
up at lake Travis.
Mm-hmm.
Sure.
Mm-hmm.
Sure.
All right.
Exactly.
So how does this, so this isGrift Casts.
Hi everybody.
It's Grift Casts I r L.
Yes.
Which is clearly a, a wink and anod to the, the pool boy, high
Pool boy, which of course isalso also stolen from T R L,
which is originally Dial mtv,which is all, it's all

(02:29:43):
derivative.
Nothing is new anymore.

Sir Gene (02:29:46):
Yeah.
So, defang, do you wanna pop inhere or are you otherwise
disposed?
So,

Wait, what?
You gonna have another person

Sir Gene (02:29:52):
on this, on this show?
Well, I'm gonna have him come inand say hi.
I wanna introduce, so he's, he'sthe guy that's been running the
YouTube channel forever, and wegot to know each other.
And he was also a guy that'sinteresting, was pretty active
on the fed verse for at leastfor a while.
Mm-hmm.
But I don't know if he is in awhole lot these days.

(02:30:12):
I know he got his Twitteraccount back.
Who, who was this?
Dago Manuel Dago Chavez thethird.

But I don't think, I don't think I know him

Sir Gene (02:30:20):
anyway.
Well, I, well I, you, I'veinterviewed him.
I know that, and I probably havementioned him before, but I
don't know if you've everchatted with him directly, but
either way.
I didn't want to introduce himsince it's, it's really, this is
the evolution of the channelthat he's been running forever.
Mm-hmm.
and I've just kind of, you know,snuck my way into but I think
we've got a pretty good back andforth okay.

(02:30:42):
Thing

going on.
There's, there's more people whoare on the Grift Cast YouTube
channel.
Well, oh yes.
It's actually my channel.
Well, I started the Grift castbecause I wanted to take it to
the man, and by the man, I mean,Mr.
Tim Pool.
And it just kind of stuck.
Actually it was Oh joke first.
Your anti, your anti, your antipool boy.
Well, I mean, I was actually notanti pool boy to start with, but

(02:31:05):
then he called me a gang stalkerand said I had black SUVs and
was like drugging people andtaking their brains.
So, you know, like I became antipool boy Gene, what if you
dragged me into, I know, right?
What is, what is this?
What is going on?
There's a little

Sir Gene (02:31:20):
bit of a controversy going out here.
Let me, let me get rid

of the annoying background though.
Oh, the cool thing is all wehave to do is just wait for
YouTube to take you all down.
It'll just be all over.
So that's, that happensoccasionally.
Can, can I still say like, uhuh, COVID was a scam.
Demic,

Sir Gene (02:31:38):
Nope.
Didn't hear what you weresaying.

This is why we do podcasting.
Be careful.
I can't say, and that's whatwe're gonna talk about.
I can't say any of that stuff.
Okay.

Sir Gene (02:31:46):
All right.
Alright.
This, this is not Joe Rogan onthe private network.
This is on

YouTube.
Well, hey, did you see the JoeRogan had to censor me?
I got censored on the lastpodcast.
Did

Sir Gene (02:31:55):
you?
I've watched a bunch of yourclips from that show, but I
didn't realize you were Wellhere.
Let's officially start cuz thenyou could get into the story.
Oh, we haven't started yet.
Okay.
Alright.
This is the, the prelude to kindof let people filter in and, you
know, get stuff

going.
Oh, okay.
So you can cut all that out thatI just said so no one gets in
trouble.
We'll be fine.
We'll

Sir Gene (02:32:14):
be fine.
We'll just edited in post and Imade enough noise over it.
Yeah, exactly.

What's edit post?
It's just fixing it in post iswhat it's called.
We'll fix it in post.
Yes.
We'll clean it

Sir Gene (02:32:22):
up.
We'll clean it up.
Usually what I do is

just cut out that one little part.

Sir Gene (02:32:26):
Uhhuh

cut out the sliver of the thing.
Now, Joe, Joe, they actually,they, they cut out the audio
and, and wiped out my mouth.

Sir Gene (02:32:33):
They wiped.
Oh, so they couldn't read yourthey couldn't read the

lips.
Really?
Damn.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Oh, I, I agreed to it.
I said, yeah, you should totallydo that.
I don't want that to be thefocus of three and a half hours
of of talk.
Yeah.
So that, that's all it would be.
So, yeah.

Sir Gene (02:32:46):
Totally.
Well, that's the whole point ofthat.
Okay.
Let me just get started cuz atsome point I gotta actually do
the beginning of the podcast,

so.
Oh, okay.
All right.
Alright.
Right.
It it's the show.
It's the show.
Everybody.
I'm ready.

Sir Gene (02:32:56):
All right.
Here we go.
I'll stick myself

up here.
you look, you look good Jean, bythe way.
Well, thank you.
I like this.
Look for you.
Appreci.
I like this.
Look for you.
Are those sand sanitizers?

Sir Gene (02:33:04):
These are AKGs 7 0 1 s akg.
Mm-hmm.
K 7 0 1 s.
Yeah, those are cool.
My favorite set of

headphones.
I have the audio technico, Ikind of, kind of dig in those.
Yeah.

Sir Gene (02:33:15):
Nice.
Yeah, and they're, I rememberused to have issues, so you
could only use Sony's becausethey were the only loud

ones.
Well, you know my, well, we cantalk about it, but my hearing
about my hearing got fixed, so.

Sir Gene (02:33:24):
Yeah.
That's awesome.
That's an important part of it.
All right, with that, I'm gonnasign off.
Take care.

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