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Gene (00:00):
Hey, this was sir Gean and I wanted to see.
How you guys enjoy.
Another potential podcast.
This one's with yet another dudenamed Ben named Rob.
You're joining inmid-conversation for about 20
minutes to see what you thinkEnjoy
Dude Named Ben named Rob (00:20):
So you'd hear this thump groan as
they pick it up and then theywould bounce to the other side
and they would keep changingspots, left to right, back and
forth.
And all that you'd hear is thisthump groan, I realized
somewhere around rep number 47that every guy in the gym had
gone, Death quiet locked intowhatever I was doing curls like
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and staring in the mirror.
So because the ladies wereagainst the back wall and I kind
of, snapped out of the, out ofthis mystical realm they had
locked us into.
And I looked over and there'sanother guy doing the same
thing, kind of like shaking hishead, going, Oh, my God, right,
where am I?
What am I doing here?
And we were both kind oflaughing about it, and he looked
and he goes, if that wasn'tadvertisement.
(01:05):
I'm not sure what was right.
And, we carried on and went ongoing, but, and that's what I
mean by there.
There's the uncanny valleycreepy zone.
We all feel that.
And my point is, if you'reasking about a one or two second
stoop at your ass and you'regetting offended.
Yeah.
Sir Gene (01:23):
Or one minute.
Dude Named Ben named Rob (01:25):
who's counting?
Sir Gene (01:29):
Hey, if she's there to exercise, she's not going to
notice somebody looking at herfor a
Dude Named Ben named Rob (01:33):
again the point is they didn't come in
in sweats and all bundled up andthen, have moved their wardrobe
depending on their workout androutine.
They've come.
To show and so if you come toshow one should expect you to be
seen that's it and
Sir Gene (01:51):
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
Now, we were more honest back inthe 80s.
I remember being in a member ofa really nice fitness club,
health club, whatever you wantto call it.
Back in the eighties and theyhad the club arranged so that
all the aerobics classes weretaught in the center of the club
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with no walls on our fall, fallfour sides and a variety of gym
equipment.
The guys were
Dude Named Ben named Rob (02:19):
the
Sir Gene (02:20):
around all four
Dude Named Ben named (02:20):
fishbowl.
Yeah, because they had convertedover sometimes they'd converted
over the squash yeah the quiz.
Yeah.
Yeah, and it was obvious thatthe marketing department had
stood there and
Sir Gene (02:32):
Yeah.
The girls dressed for it.
The guys noticed
Dude Named Ben named Rob (02:37):
notice though, back in the 90s, I
guess, 80, 90s, even in, Ishouldn't go farther than that
because I was out of the datingscene.
Going to the gym was consideredthe upscale bar place.
Like you'd go to the bar to lookfor girls, but you kind of knew
how the game played.
But if you went to the gym, Orat the time, we just started
(02:58):
getting the climbing boulderingwalls and those kind of things.
If you went to those places,you're getting an upscale.
You're getting a you're going tomeet someone with, want to be
healthy healthy, healthyattitudes and look, outlooks at
the time and everything likethat.
You also got obviously the ROIDcrowd to the, I love the ROID
crowd, but you get the idea,right?
(03:19):
There's always balances to thething, but today.
Going to the gym is somehow likea Zen Buddhist monk passion
where you're not supposed totalk to other people.
Especially not look at thefemales, like they now do the
it's hilarious.
They're doing segregated nowmale, female cause I, I feel
insecure.
Sir Gene (03:40):
And honestly, I think you have to right now because
it's the women just ruined itfor people that want to actually
exercise in the Because they'renot willing to play the part
they used to play.
But the new part they'recreating is making it be an
unpleasurable experience to bein a gym.
I'd rather be in a, andincidentally, these gyms always
existed.
(04:00):
So I remember back in 89 goingto signing up for a really small
hole in the wall gym, which wasall about pumping iron and
boxing.
There was zero women in thatgym.
I don't know if they weren'tallowed or if they just.
None of them had the brains tobother wanting to join, but it
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was a bunch of guys working outpumping iron and and also
training for boxing matches andI was it and I was like, it was
a 100 percent male gym and outthere that was probably a small
percentage of the gyms around.
But they certainly
Dude Named Ben named R (04:37):
remember being in the kickboxing, Muay
Thai.
And if you saw a woman, it was,it was amazing back in the day.
Right.
I don't know.
I many many moons ago.
I got my, I got my black belt ina couple of multiple things.
It was we had a really good judoteam, so I never got black
there.
Cause I never competed enough toget the points, but was cruising
(04:57):
to Bruce blue ground.
This is all before UFC, right?
I remember watching UFC with theguys that we'd work out with in
Taekwondo, it was after Karate,and then Judo, and we all sat
around watching the first UFCtape.
High as kites, by the way.
Anyway And in being startled andabout this, like going because
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the judo guys were all like thisjudo guy one and we're like,
that's not judo.
What is this?
Right?
What is this jiu jitsu thing atthe time?
Right?
So this is many years ago.
So I went through yeah, I wentthrough taekwondo instructed and
everything.
And I wanted to try it.
Some kickboxing matches.
And back in the day, you had togo to an Indian reserve because
it was all outlawed.
(05:41):
Amateur boxing was the onlything that was legalized in
there.
Oh, this is also Alberta.
We were
Sir Gene (05:49):
I should mention, you're
Dude Named Ben named Rob (05:50):
I am from I am from America's Hat aka
Communist Central from theNorthern perspective.
Sir Gene (05:56):
You're on the borderlands between
Dude Named Ben named Rob (05:58):
And obviously leaning one way
heavier than the other based onour political aspirations
lately.
However.
Sir Gene (06:04):
But you got a bigger border with the
Dude Named Ben named Rob (06:06):
But we were from southern Alberta,
which if you're looking for anarea oil company country as well
as this would be Texas.
Sir Gene (06:14):
Hell, man.
That makes you, yeah, that makesyou
Dude Named Ben named Rob (06:16):
It does not just for that.
But Alberta, Saskatchewan,Manitoba, the prairies very
carry very much the attitude of.
Of Montana's of Ohio, et cetera,right?
Crossing the border back andforth with the only real
difference was is that we didn'thave handguns, but every other
truck growing up about theshotguns in the rear view.
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So anyway so we were alwaysanyway, we're you have to
remember.
It wasn't until 96 or somethinglike that.
Maybe 93 as well that we allowedSunday shopping.
So we were.
We were the last Bastils of the,kind of Christian white
Sir Gene (06:57):
We still can't buy a car on
Dude Named Ben named R (06:59):
because,
Sir Gene (07:01):
The car dealers are all closed Sunday.
Dude Named Ben named Rob (07:04):
Is that a law or just?
Oh,
Sir Gene (07:07):
Yeah.
It's cause you gotta be inchurch.
Yeah.
It's not voluntary.
It's these are actual
Dude Named Ben named Rob (07:15):
car dealers.
Okay.
Sir Gene (07:18):
Yes they're the last thing I think that people didn't
care enough to get rid of thelaws
Dude Named Ben named Rob (07:24):
can almost get behind that way.
You say,
Sir Gene (07:28):
car dealers.
It was a problem for Teslatrying to kind of sneak in here,
cause they're obviously, theydon't really, their car buying
experience is filling out a
Dude Named Ben named Rob (07:37):
yeah, online.
Yeah,
Sir Gene (07:39):
they were like we just have a showroom.
It's not a dealer.
You could take a car out for atest drive, but you're not
literally, you're nottechnically buying anything
there.
You're filling out a formonline.
And there was a big brouhaha,but I don't even know how it was
settled in the end, but Iremember it when it
Dude Named Ben named Rob (07:54):
All right.
All right.
I always am interested in thelittle localizations there as
you travel around.
That's a, it's an interestingangle on it where you're just
like,
Sir Gene (08:06):
And I asked about Muay Thai because that's the only
martial art that I
Dude Named Ben named Rob (08:10):
Okay.
And which style though?
Was it the problem with MuayThai is much like kickboxing,
right?
You have a little bit of theNorth American versus Europe
versus the, the traditional andall the different rule sets in
between, right?
Sir Gene (08:23):
so my teacher was from Samoa
Dude Named Ben named Rob (08:26):
very traditional elbow.
Yeah.
Elbow and the dance of deathwith the knees.
Okay.
Bottles on the shins to toughenyou up.
Sir Gene (08:34):
I broke four fingers on my left hand and one on my
right as in the course of
Dude Named Ben named Rob (08:40):
Yeah, toes and fingers are to be,
okay.
It's always my feet.
My, I had,
Sir Gene (08:47):
It's the shins.
Dude Named Ben named Rob (08:48):
so did you do the pop bottle on the,
Coke bottle that the old Cokebottles that used to be curved
with the the grip ribs, the, doyou remember the ones I'm
talking about?
Oh, that was the so if youremember the old Coke bottle
that had the.
Bell curve to it.
But the bottom had those spiral.
No, the old the glass, the old,
Sir Gene (09:07):
or glass
Dude Named Ben named Rob (09:08):
Yeah.
Sir Gene (09:09):
glass ones were they not straight?
I
Dude Named Ben named Rob (09:12):
No we used to have them kicking
around.
They were almost everyone wassearching around for him by the
time I was there, but they werethe hourglass shape, but they
would have the the grip on thebottom was basically, concave
half quarter circles all the wayaround.
And they would roll them up anddown their shins.
We had these ball.
Yeah.
I'm
Sir Gene (09:32):
Oh, you sure?
Dude Named Ben named R (09:33):
couldn't do it.
I'm like, you know what I'mjust, and plus I was at the
time, like 50, 150, 160 poundssoaking wet.
So I could drop down to 140territory.
So I just use the idea of I'lljust do Not, try not to stand
totally with you and, That toyou as I move backwards around
the ring, maybe by round three,I can move forward because you
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were tired and I had gas.
Yeah.
Much different now where I'mpacking around old man weight
with, 200 pounds.
Once you start lifting weightsand realize, eh.
My metabolism changed.
I'm just going to get, I'm justgoing to
Sir Gene (10:09):
Yeah, it's it when you get to that point where your
body weighs what max bench usedto be it's kind of like
Dude Named Ben named Rob (10:18):
Yeah.
And
Sir Gene (10:19):
not good
Dude Named Ben named Rob (10:20):
and everything.
Right.
Switched over to Jiu Jitsu.
After all, all that, just to,save the knees and because it
was the new up and coming thing.
But
Sir Gene (10:31):
Did you guys have
Dude Named Ben named Rob (10:32):
we had sorry about that.
It is some market calling andI'm trying to kill the phone as
I not yeah, we had the early theearly Brazilians come up, but
this is now going back.
15, almost 20 years.
And I remember, so at the time,this was all crazy.
We're doing arm bars, rollingaround.
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And then I, dropped off work andeverything else.
And, came back seven or eightyears later and all of a sudden
they're doing knee brace, likeknee, and you're going for
ankle.
And now all that's old school.
Now they've gone over to wristlocks.
They're going to the keto style.
And you're like It's superimpressive because the guys at
the squadron do jujitsu and, Iroll lightly nowadays because
(11:17):
I'm just one, I am one sneezeaway from blowing out some part
of my body and causing fourweeks of physio to tune of 500.
Sir Gene (11:26):
Yeah.
I, that, that shit getsprogressively longer.
Longer.
I'd blown out both my knees whenI was young and it was it it's
not fun, but you've, you're backto walking within the week,
Dude Named Ben named (11:38):
Wolverine when you're a kid, right?
Like you'd be like, Oh, allright,
Sir Gene (11:42):
Yeah, and
Dude Named Ben named Ro (11:43):
through this.
Sir Gene (11:44):
you just don't really notice a lot of this stuff, and
as you get older, it's I managedto do something to my ankle
while I was asleep about a monthago, and it I, it feels like, I
put pressure on it or weight onit when it was in the wrong
position or something, and itended up fucking up a tendon
and, Like that shit stillbothers me a month later, and
(12:07):
it's a minor injury.
And it was, it's the stupidityof it was like, I wasn't even
doing anything fun while it
Dude Named Ben named Rob (12:12):
you're in that 45 plus, you're just
constantly moving from injury toinjury with the with the worst
part.
Like you just said, not evenknowing how you, how this
happened, right?
So you count the days whereyou're not groaning, moaning and
avoiding, certain exercises or,no, no deep, I won't even knee
bend today.
I'll just walk straight leggedaround the.
Around the house, and as this isjust going to keep going
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straight downhill, right?
You're just like, and we don'thave the the ability to get to
stem cells as easy as you guys.
I did try stem cells on my kneesthey, they have to do a bone
extraction.
So up here you don't, you have alot more restrictions,
obviously, and have to paythrough the nose.
Yeah, I would I've been,
Sir Gene (12:55):
So that's a lot of it's Next to the airport down
Dude Named Ben named Rob (12:57):
about it at this point.
It did probably yeah.
I think it did fix up my knees alittle bit, but the
Sir Gene (13:06):
It's actually pretty amazing how
Dude Named Ben named Rob (13:07):
I'm like, I'd like to do this more,
but they had to go into my hipto do the bone marrow.
So this is all the bone marrowstuff and having somebody bash,
basically a screw that they puta needle through at the end into
you is, I'm not going to sayit's painful.
It's disconcerting.
And then you're like, okay, theguy's done smashing you on the
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back with the hammer, putting itin.
He's and then the doctor.
Sir Gene (13:31):
If you're awake while you're getting your wisdom teeth
extracted you start realizing
Dude Named Ben named Rob (13:35):
Yeah.
This is medieval, the medievaltorture, right?
As you're hearing them crack itin half.
Sir Gene (13:40):
It's like this shit hadn't changed in 2, 000 years,
they were doing literally theexact same thing.
Let's get a chisel and thenstart
Dude Named Ben named Rob (13:47):
I don't know if you've ever had
bone marrow, but the part of it.
That's not that.
Yeah, that's not thedisconcerting part.
He's this is where it's reallygoing to feel strange.
And I'm like, pardon after, Iassume that was so then they
withdraw the bone marrow.
And because basically they'resucking out from your body.
That's been Equalized,pressurized ambient it creates
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it creates basically a vacuumand your body has to compensate
and it's literally, I, you knowhow you lick a nine bolt on your
tongue?
It shot through from my hip,both directions in that same
manner.
And it popped out my ears.
I can almost hear the bonepressurized, repressurized.
And I'm like, yeah, you knowwhat?
(14:30):
That is disconcerting.
Thanks for the three secondwarning before you Yeah, you
sucked all that marrow out.
But yeah, anyway it I'm, youguys are lucky down there.
Yeah, you're so close because Ihonestly think that is.
A future treatment to a lot ofwhat I'll call aged and injury
related in
Sir Gene (14:46):
And ultimately not even using your bone marrow for
that.
Dude Named Ben named Rob (14:50):
yeah, and it's getting closer and
there's, let's not, we don'tneed to harvest babies yet.
That's just for fun
Sir Gene (14:57):
I, I no, but I could say that stuff, the exactly but
I know there's definitely thereare people that are doing that
for de aging stuff, like gettingrid of wrinkles on your face and
stuff.
And it's it's the next level, ifyou if you can easily afford
Botox this costs a little more,but now you can actually get
stem cells in your face andit'll make, it'll literally do
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an Instagram de aging filter onyour face.
Dude Named Ben named Rob (15:22):
is going to be more.
And yeah as in the interestingpart is I have heard of them
doing very refinement now.
So actually taking the stem cellinstead of just injecting it and
saying, go off and find yourlocation.
I guess they're now able totweak them where.
Your stem cell, and we want youto become cartilage, so much
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more focused and refined.
So if you start thinking inthose terms, yeah, no, no need
for plastic surgery.
We'll just refill the collegeand in your face and off you go.
Yeah, it,
Sir Gene (15:54):
exactly.
And there, it's not all thatdifferent from the new
synthetically grown real meat.
There's two or three companiesthat are now doing this.
And it, it tastes real becauseit is real.
It's just grown without all theother body
Dude Named Ben named Rob (16:10):
We live in interesting times.
Now, is it ready for prime timeor is this the 20 year?
Sir Gene (16:18):
It's well, there have been a number of like reporters
that have gone out to theseplaces and they've tested it and
they talk about how it.
Tastes just like a steak orwhatever.
So I think it's certainly in thecurrently being done, but not,
they don't have any of theregulatory approvals
Dude Named Ben named Rob (16:38):
yeah, and not that I don't distrust a
reporter telling me what ittastes
Sir Gene (16:42):
And I think it'll probably start selling in some
other country first.
Not in the U S for sure.
Dude Named Ben named Rob (16:46):
yeah I, it's just the overall factory
mechanics and moving through allof that where you're like, okay,
when will it actually displace?
Products without again what I'llcall government fuckery in
regards to moving monies towardsor making something else less
productive and that They are,you talk
Sir Gene (17:08):
I'll tell you what, if it gets rid of the U S having to
grow nothing but corn, whichsure seems to be mostly what we
grow I'm all for it, man.
Cause we need more farmingdiversity.
Then just freaking
Dude Named Ben named (17:21):
monocrop.
It's interesting.
Sir Gene (17:24):
Huh.
Dude Named Ben named Rob (17:24):
Yeah.
I we haven't got to that pointhere.
A little bit of that is thatwe're still mixed, heavy mixed
farming up here.
So between we have a muchshorter grow season.
Sir Gene (17:33):
You do the rapeseed I know quite a
Dude Named Ben named Rob (17:35):
it's quite a bit, but not as much as
you see.
Yeah.
It, that's because it was aCanadian and, it was one of the
major ones pushed I'll say,
Sir Gene (17:44):
And for people that don't know
Dude Named Ben named Rob (17:45):
And the other aspect that maybe
people don't understand is onceyou grow it, it's goddamn
impossible to get rid of we.
Yeah,
Sir Gene (17:53):
you're saying it's a bit of a rapist are you
Dude Named Ben named Rob (17:58):
But that was heavily subsidized
because it was I'll call it aCanadian invention, which isn't
quite true.
But in regards to itsindustrial, yes, from the
industrialization of it into thefarming, it was super hard to
get rid of.
And then because of thesubsidies and everything else
it.
It became quite popular.
We still have a very nicemixture up here.
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That's just really due to ourgrowing season We have a lot of
variety in the Canadian prairiesthat you guys don't get the
reason quite simply for it isall that topsoil you guys get to
grow on in The bottom 49 statesall came from up here when the
glaciers pushed it all off.
Sir Gene (18:40):
Oh, here we go.
Here we go
Dude Named Ben named Rob (18:42):
Yeah.
Yeah.
And so again, the reason you
Sir Gene (18:44):
Yes that the great freeze over Pushed all the good
dirt down south and left us with
Dude Named Ben named Rob (18:50):
So again, that's why I think we
should be subsidized more.
In regards to U.
S.
Canadian funding, at least froma TV perspective.
Sir Gene (18:59):
Oh, get in line buddy.
There's so many countrieswanting money from the us.
Dude Named Ben named Rob (19:03):
If you haven't seen it do take a look
at something like the WashingtonYakima Valley, those things.
They have and I have family downacross the border.
If you go and look, some oftheir areas, you'll find 4, 5, 6
feet of topsoil.
It would be the closest thingthat you'd see to that Ukrainian
basin where they have 3 feet ofthat big black soil.
(19:24):
We would be lucky up here tohave.
inches, three to four inches.
From a farming perspective uphere, we have to do a lot more
creative things just because Andthat also means that especially
being in the foothills here, wehave a huge amount of ranching
because quite simply, you can'tgrow anything.
(19:44):
In the foothills, you can, Idon't know, you can definitely
grow a crop on there and you'relike, you can grow a crop on a
quarter of that.
Once you move into the scrufflands, the up and downs, like
what the foothills, I'm not surewhat names you guys call it, you
ain't putting nothing but cowsout there to eat grass.
Let's be honest.
If you'd like to take all thatagricultural base out because
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you want to grow food, you can.
However at some point, it's justnot economically viable pushing
cows out there on grass and leafland is a pretty cheap method.
And it then supplies usefulnessto that land where you're not
going to get that back in somesort of vegan push to protein
methodology.
Sir Gene (20:27):
Yeah.
And I'm not talking about thefake meat vegan stuff I'm
talking about like actual meat.
Meat.
It's
Dude Named Ben named Rob (20:32):
Yeah, but again, yeah, anything
Sir Gene (20:35):
It's just pure
Dude Named Ben named Ro (20:35):
they've I Sure, I'm just kind of saying
is to get that level of factorywhere you're like, competing
against someone who's going topop a cow into a grassland and
sure you have the investment ofthe cow, but from a ranching
perspective in the grasslands,your investment of those cattle
is goddamn minimal.
Your lease land cost is fairlycheap.
If not next to zero, especiallyif that lands been within the
(21:00):
yeah.
within the family for a periodof time, and to also keep again,
government entering intomarkets.
A lot of the guys doingranchings are actually
subsidized to keep that ranchland grass versus putting into
farms so that crop prices stayup in other ways.
Sir Gene (21:18):
Same thing with a lot of Minnesotan States as well,
where there are two options areto grow either corner grass,
everything else is notprofitable.
And then the grass, because thegovernment pays you to not grow
shit.
Or the corn because,
Dude Named Ben named Rob (21:34):
Yeah.
So all of a sudden you get acouple hundred acres of grass
getting paid by government.
Now what?
You could still run out and bailit or
Sir Gene (21:41):
Maize, it does make for good good land for the deer
Dude Named Ben named Rob (21:44):
Or elk whatever you may want to put a
bullet in.
Sir Gene (21:47):
Yeah, if you're lucky enough to have bigger
Dude Named Ben named Rob (21:50):
yeah, we, we get lucky with with
having almost all.
Game through here.
The moose is northern.
I'd have to go a couple hoursnorth or towards B.
C.
to get to moose.
Sir Gene (22:03):
I've watched some of these YouTube videos on, on baby
moose, like wandering aroundCanadian neighborhoods, trying
to figure out where the food is.
Dude Named Ben named Rob (22:11):
It's cute.
We get baby bears.
We have all the usual faunawandering down.
Yeah,
Sir Gene (22:17):
That I
Dude Named Ben named Rob (22:17):
a lot of those things are because from
a major Canadian cityperspective, you look at
Calgary, Edmonton, for example,they're on the river bottoms.
Because we're aiming for theriver.
There's water.
That means a lot of the animalsjust wander up or wander down,
whichever way you'd like to sayit, the river system, and they
pop out in the communities.
It's not.
(22:38):
Terribly uncommon, but it'sstill not it still doesn't mean
I can go and cam up and sitbeside the 7 Eleven and get a
moose during during huntingseason.
It's just it's things poppingout of the woods.
You're like, cool, better therethan on the road.
Sir Gene (22:55):
And I'm sure it's the same thing with the elk, but I
know from deer hunting, it'slike.
The deer know exactly when thehunting season starts because a
couple of days beforehand,they're just nonchalantly
walking right up to you andwanting to get pet and nuzzle
and get some food out of yourfingers.
And then first day of the seasonopens up.
(23:15):
There's not a deer for 150miles.
They're all gone.
It's like, how the hell do they
Dude Named Ben named Rob (23:21):
go out on the first day of hunting.
It sounds just like the cartoonswith with Elmer Fudd, right?
It's just this blasting away.
We actually do bow huntingbefore which, which is pretty
polite for Which is pretty, yeahit's pretty polite because from
a bow hunting perspective youhave first crack at everything,
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and there's not that many peopleout compared to rifle, so you
can set your stand up and have alittle better go of it.
The real, yeah, but the realproblem with that though is so
early in the season the chance,unless you get an early
snowfall, they won't pushthemselves down.
You gotta walk pretty far back,so there's all these caveats to
it.
With being with the foothillsall up and down.
(24:03):
The mountains like once thesnows come in, the elk will push
right down to the farmland.
So there's a really good chanceif you're patient enough that
you can land elk, especially ifno farmers with land against the
edge of that, three, four yearsago, nothing but nothing but
golden, new old farmer, let uscome out there.
Now that he's moved on, retiredout, I'm back onto crown land,
(24:25):
much tougher, you gotta, again,know the locals, know someone
with the weather, because youtake that week off, it's a warm
week.
They just, they're not going todrop out of the tree line.
So all of a sudden you're likecool.
I guess I can shiv a deer causethey're all around, but my
family doesn't eat.
(24:45):
Too gamey.
I can hide elk for the kids, butyeah elk, you can make tastes
like cow, deer, you're you'remixing.
Sir Gene (24:57):
I like elk.
I've always been partial to elk,although I will say that from a.
Just a hardiness standpoint youcan't beat
Dude Named Ben named Rob (25:05):
I've only had the restaurant, I'll
call it restaurant buffalo.
So I'm not a hundred percentsure if that is.
Sir Gene (25:13):
I've bought, but I've never hunted for it, but I've
bought a bunch in the, likeSouth Dakota, North Dakota.
And it is, it's really good evento the point where I'll even,
sometimes I don't do this veryoften because I always am self
conscious about what I'm doingwhen I go to Whole Foods, but
occasionally I'll go to WholeFoods and buy some some buffalo
(25:35):
meat out there because they,they have it all the time, but
Dude Named Ben named Rob (25:39):
Is that is is it, do you guys, so
when I had it, it was notmarbled at all.
It was, yes.
Okay.
Okay.
I wasn't sure if so that wholemarbling and that whole
marvelous.
So we grew up on a farm and we'draise a yearling.
We would have the horses, cowsand everything, but we would
have a yearling bull that wewould raise out just to butcher.
(26:01):
Okay.
It would be kept a little bitseparate.
We could feed it a little bitmore, but it'd be pastured out
on the different ones and itsmeat would come out, not
marbled.
Deep red.
Because it we've never feed lotit.
And at the end of the year, thisyear and half the time it was an
asshole anyway, because it was alittle bit baby compared to the
other animals.
And that, that was considerednot the best meat, right?
(26:24):
You go to a restaurant and thisis marbled everything else.
And I was always like Where didthat come from?
Is that?
Sir Gene (26:31):
I think having the the fatty deposits within the fat
within the musculature does makefor a tastier piece of meat, but
I'll tell you from a, just, Idon't know how to better
describe it than heartiness.
Like I, I eat some bison or,Buffalo, I guess some people
(26:52):
refer to it.
And it, I'm just like full
Dude Named Ben named Rob (26:55):
very dense, and it is harder to
Sir Gene (26:58):
Yeah.
Dude Named Ben named Ro (26:59):
Marbled out steak from, our safeway or
whatever else.
Easier, much easier to barbecue.
You gotta be right on top ofyour elk steak.
Sir Gene (27:07):
Yeah, you can't let it dry
Dude Named Ben named Rob (27:08):
Yeah or you have to put the pan, put
the metal pan in with water inthere to keep, there's a variety
of ways around it.
1 can agree that the marblingadds,
Sir Gene (27:18):
Or you just cook it in butter.
Dude Named Ben named Rob (27:19):
such a mess, like bringing up the big
pan and everything like that.
That's why I'm like barbecuesright outside.
Sir Gene (27:25):
Yeah, just put a cast iron pan on the barbecue, and
then put a
Dude Named Ben named Rob (27:31):
I'm gonna let you in on a secret.
I don't, eh, that's sounding waymore like work than I care to do
just to get that piece of meat.
It is, I don't have a smoker.
I am like this all my buddiesare always like, oh, I'm gonna
do this.
And I'm like, yeah, cool.
Bring me over some.
Sir Gene (27:47):
What?
No pellet smoker?
What century do you live in?
Cool.
I know you got to run and we'rejust going to chat a little bit
briefly here just to get alittle bit of a sampling in, but
we'll get into all the othermore interesting topics like you
being a dude named Ben and allthe
Dude Named Ben named Rob (28:06):
Yeah, I thought it'd be I thought it'd
be fun to chat and I wouldn'tmind.
I wouldn't mind.
We could do a topic based, but Ithink we could go through any
social and pick out where thetopics are because I'm super
interested on hearing everyone'sopinion of the unique microcosm
that I see there.
Yeah, I I'm always like, ah,it's just a variation of how
(28:28):
many layers of tinfoil hat oneis wearing if you land on any
social.
But then you're like no, thisguy's, this guy's, this person's
a full body.
Sir Gene (28:37):
Mhm.
Dude Named Ben named Rob (28:38):
Are you really sure the Jews are
running in the world?
Cause I gotta say.
If they were, it would befucking much more organized than
this.
I'm just going to, I'm justgoing to outline if this is
really true like honestly, theshit should be a lot better.
Sir Gene (28:53):
And it all depends on where you work.
If you work in Hollywood.
I think that's just an honeststatement to say the Jews
typically are your bossesbecause there's not as many
Jewish people that are acting,but they do have an awful lot of
careers in things surroundingthat.
Which has to do with finance.
(29:15):
That's a very doctor, lawyer,accountant, three top Jewish
career paths.
So it's not hard to figure outwhere they're going to end
Dude Named Ben named (29:24):
obviously there are what I'll call the in
groups in every industry or areaas well.
Right.
And,
Sir Gene (29:31):
like Indians and IT.
Yes.
Yeah.
Dude Named Ben named Rob (29:32):
I was just gonna, I was just going to
bring that up and you've seenthem shift heavily into finance,
especially in Canada theEastern, 10, 15 years ago in the
east.
That was all the shifting.
You're seeing that now crossover into the rest of Canada.
It started east and thenVancouver, and now it's meeting
across the end and you just stopand go, okay is there a comball
(29:53):
there?
And you're like, no, but there'sdefinitely an investment and
there's definitely a cultureaspect and I'm going to let you
in on a secret.
People like hiring people likethem
Sir Gene (30:06):
Absolutely.
And this is I'm glad you broughtthat up and we'll probably wrap
it up on this.
But this is something I've beentelling Americans for decades
because Americans don'tunderstand this.
Every other culture does.
And I think the reason isbecause and maybe Canada is the
same way.
But the reason is becauseAmerica.
Is made up of a bunch ofimmigrants over generations.
(30:27):
And so there isn't that sort ofaffinity towards somebody from
your neck of the woods thatthere is with other countries.
When you have somebody comingfrom India and they're the first
person to get hired in thecompany there's an extremely
high chance that adisproportionately high
percentage of people that theyhave in an.
(30:48):
And the effect on hiring,whether it's a decision maker or
just some parallel effect willhave similar mindset and similar
characteristics to them.
And that also means probably asimilar background, which
probably means same color skin.
Dude Named Ben named (31:05):
political affiliation.
Sir Gene (31:07):
typical thing.
It's the reason that we hadIrish cops.
As a, kind of a colloquial funnything, but it was based on
reality because police ended upcoming into the workforce and I
saw it firsthand in Minnesotawhen I lived there with the
Somalis taking over the taxitrade.
(31:29):
It was prior to the Somalis,there were a lot of Ethiopians
that
Dude Named Ben named Ro (31:35):
there's a meatpacking plant here.
That is now all Filipino and andtalking to, a friend of a
friend, in there and theattitude was is.
They're all Filipino, the white,it wasn't that they actively
pushed out the white workers,but they actively pushed out the
white workers.
At some point, if you're theonly white guy showing up to
(31:56):
this job, not, and everyone elsearound you isn't, you get the
idea, right?
There's a level of selfselection that, that occurs
here.
And we see this in HR,
Sir Gene (32:07):
They were
Dude Named Ben named Rob (32:08):
and people talk about companies
going woke and everything likethat.
And there's this, When we allowpeople freedom to self select,
they tend to self select.
There's good and there's bad toit.
It was interesting that youbrought up, U.
S.
and, the Canadian aspect.
There used to be the idea of amelting pot and you're the same
(32:28):
age as I am.
So there used to be something ofbecome American, right, or
become Canadian.
That first generation Canadianlanding in the prairies, first
thing they did was built aschool.
Correction, they built a church,they built the school, and then
they hired an English speakingteacher so that their kids were
not going to be
Sir Gene (32:49):
Yeah.
Dude Named Ben named Ro (32:49):
weren't going to be Ukrainian, they
spoke Ukrainian at home, butthose kids were, or Polish or
whatever, or German, but theirkids were going to speak English
and be Canadian, and there wasthat aspect of us you.
Being Canadian, being Americanfirst, and then we were Irish
American, then we were,
Sir Gene (33:11):
You can celebrate different cultural.
Events, holidays, whatever, ofwhere your family originated,
but you felt like you were anAmerican or you were a Canadian
or whatever.
Dude Named Ben named R (33:25):
foremost on the same team.
And I think we, this, and I'veseen this, again, drift over my
childhood.
I think you had the, you wouldswear allegiance.
We would do the God's prayer.
We would do, Oh Canada, we woulddo all these things to have a
commonality of culture, and nowthose are actually being, taken
out and now never shall we speakof that.
Everyone should be whatever theyare first.
(33:47):
And I'm like I think you'remissing the point of needing to
be active in creating cohesionand.
I think unfortunately, we'llfeel the consequences of this
sooner or later, and I'm,
Sir Gene (34:05):
I think we already are in a lot of
Dude Named Ben named Rob (34:07):
It's just has it, the question we
talked about quite a bit,amongst myself and the other
tinfoil hats is, when will itget really bad?
When will this pendulum swingover to?
The other side which simplymeans all the worst things are
going to happen to the people.
We don't want it to happen to,the lower the people in the
(34:29):
lower aspects of society who,you know, one, one wants to
protect and to help are going tofeel this way worse.
And it's all being driven frommy 10, 15 percent of the
population who
Sir Gene (34:46):
The only things sorry to interrupt you there, but the
only thing I would say is thatmight be a similar lining is
that there's a book that afriend of mine wrote maybe 10,
12 years ago, which predictedall this stuff.
And it's called pendulum and itis basically an analysis of the
last.
Really hardcore about 300, butgoing back
Dude Named Ben named Rob (35:08):
the author of that
Sir Gene (35:09):
human history,
Dude Named Ben named Rob (35:11):
Thank you.
Sir Gene (35:12):
Roy Williams.
Yeah, if you look up pendulumand Roy Williams on Amazon
you'll see it.
And I actually both the, he hada coauthor as well.
They're both friends of mine,but the book is a it's an
analysis more than thepredictive thing, but the
predictions they're making werevery spot on because they say
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this is sort of.
It's a pattern in humanity.
It's not something that we'relike consciously trying to
choose.
The only variables are these,the details of the events, but
whether something happens ornot.
Is extremely likely due to thepast pattern.
What we don't know is where it'sgoing to happen and what
Dude Named Ben named Rob (35:53):
And the extremes.
Yeah.
The swing.
Sir Gene (35:57):
And in that book, 2023 is the leftmost position on the
pendulum.
So this is where next year itstarts to swing back in the
other direction.
Dude Named Ben named Rob (36:08):
yeah.
Sir Gene (36:10):
And 1983 was the opposite side of the pendulum.
It was the rightmost pendulumwas.
The swing is in a very generalsense between individualism and
collectivism.
So right now we are at thepinnacle of the collectivism in
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the West.
Now that pattern holds true forEurope and western countries
like the United States, Canada,et cetera, does not hold true
for Asian countries.
They have their own
Dude Named Ben named Rob (36:42):
I'll, I will take a look.
Sir Gene (36:44):
but if you start looking at Europe.
Yeah, Europe, Middle Eastreally, the remnants of the
Roman empire and which Icertainly consider the United
States to be coming out of thathistorically.
We all still adhere to that same
Dude Named Ben named Rob (36:58):
Yeah, I definitely will.
Sir Gene (36:59):
You'll enjoy it.
Dude Named Ben named Rob (37:00):
The the thing is this isn't
surprising when people talkabout cycles or this pendulum
swing the left to the right youonly have to look inside
yourself to say when you want tomake changes inside of yourself
you obviously go to extremes andpull back and that's my entire
family coming home and the dognow barking.
Apologies.
Yeah.
(37:20):
All right.
Sir Gene (37:20):
things up five minutes ago.
All right.
So with that
Dude Named Ben named Rob (37:23):
you have a good day, man.
Thank you very much.
Bye.
Sir Gene (37:26):
All right.
Take care.
Hey, this was sir Gean and I wanted to see.
How you guys enjoy.
Another potential podcast.
This one's with yet another dudenamed Ben named Rob.
You're joining inmid-conversation for about 20
minutes to see what you thinkEnjoy
Dude Named Ben named Rob (00:20):
So you'd hear this thump groan as
they pick it up and then theywould bounce to the other side
and they would keep changingspots, left to right, back and
forth.
And all that you'd hear is thisthump groan, I realized
somewhere around rep number 47that every guy in the gym had
gone, Death quiet locked intowhatever I was doing curls like
(00:43):
and staring in the mirror.
So because the ladies wereagainst the back wall and I kind
of, snapped out of the, out ofthis mystical realm they had
locked us into.
And I looked over and there'sanother guy doing the same
thing, kind of like shaking hishead, going, Oh, my God, right,
where am I?
What am I doing here?
And we were both kind oflaughing about it, and he looked
and he goes, if that wasn'tadvertisement.
(01:05):
I'm not sure what was right.
And, we carried on and went ongoing, but, and that's what I
mean by there.
There's the uncanny valleycreepy zone.
We all feel that.
And my point is, if you'reasking about a one or two second
stoop at your ass and you'regetting offended.
Yeah.
Sir Gene (01:23):
Or one minute.
Dude Named Ben named Rob (01:25):
who's counting?
Sir Gene (01:29):
Hey, if she's there to exercise, she's not going to
notice somebody looking at herfor a
Dude Named Ben named Rob (01:33):
again the point is they didn't come in
in sweats and all bundled up andthen, have moved their wardrobe
depending on their workout androutine.
They've come.
To show and so if you come toshow one should expect you to be
seen that's it and
Sir Gene (01:51):
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
Now, we were more honest back inthe 80s.
I remember being in a member ofa really nice fitness club,
health club, whatever you wantto call it.
Back in the eighties and theyhad the club arranged so that
all the aerobics classes weretaught in the center of the club
(02:13):
with no walls on our fall, fallfour sides and a variety of gym
equipment.
The guys were
Dude Named Ben named Rob (02:19):
the
Sir Gene (02:20):
around all four
Dude Named Ben named (02:20):
fishbowl.
Yeah, because they had convertedover sometimes they'd converted
over the squash yeah the quiz.
Yeah.
Yeah, and it was obvious thatthe marketing department had
stood there and
Sir Gene (02:32):
Yeah.
The girls dressed for it.
The guys noticed
Dude Named Ben named Rob (02:37):
notice though, back in the 90s, I
guess, 80, 90s, even in, Ishouldn't go farther than that
because I was out of the datingscene.
Going to the gym was consideredthe upscale bar place.
Like you'd go to the bar to lookfor girls, but you kind of knew
how the game played.
But if you went to the gym, Orat the time, we just started
(02:58):
getting the climbing boulderingwalls and those kind of things.
If you went to those places,you're getting an upscale.
You're getting a you're going tomeet someone with, want to be
healthy healthy, healthyattitudes and look, outlooks at
the time and everything likethat.
You also got obviously the ROIDcrowd to the, I love the ROID
crowd, but you get the idea,right?
(03:19):
There's always balances to thething, but today.
Going to the gym is somehow likea Zen Buddhist monk passion
where you're not supposed totalk to other people.
Especially not look at thefemales, like they now do the
it's hilarious.
They're doing segregated nowmale, female cause I, I feel
insecure.
Sir Gene (03:40):
And honestly, I think you have to right now because
it's the women just ruined itfor people that want to actually
exercise in the Because they'renot willing to play the part
they used to play.
But the new part they'recreating is making it be an
unpleasurable experience to bein a gym.
I'd rather be in a, andincidentally, these gyms always
existed.
(04:00):
So I remember back in 89 goingto signing up for a really small
hole in the wall gym, which wasall about pumping iron and
boxing.
There was zero women in thatgym.
I don't know if they weren'tallowed or if they just.
None of them had the brains tobother wanting to join, but it
(04:20):
was a bunch of guys working outpumping iron and and also
training for boxing matches andI was it and I was like, it was
a 100 percent male gym and outthere that was probably a small
percentage of the gyms around.
But they certainly
Dude Named Ben named R (04:37):
remember being in the kickboxing, Muay
Thai.
And if you saw a woman, it was,it was amazing back in the day.
Right.
I don't know.
I many many moons ago.
I got my, I got my black belt ina couple of multiple things.
It was we had a really good judoteam, so I never got black
there.
Cause I never competed enough toget the points, but was cruising
(04:57):
to Bruce blue ground.
This is all before UFC, right?
I remember watching UFC with theguys that we'd work out with in
Taekwondo, it was after Karate,and then Judo, and we all sat
around watching the first UFCtape.
High as kites, by the way.
Anyway And in being startled andabout this, like going because
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the judo guys were all like thisjudo guy one and we're like,
that's not judo.
What is this?
Right?
What is this jiu jitsu thing atthe time?
Right?
So this is many years ago.
So I went through yeah, I wentthrough taekwondo instructed and
everything.
And I wanted to try it.
Some kickboxing matches.
And back in the day, you had togo to an Indian reserve because
it was all outlawed.
(05:41):
Amateur boxing was the onlything that was legalized in
there.
Oh, this is also Alberta.
We were
Sir Gene (05:49):
I should mention, you're
Dude Named Ben named Rob (05:50):
I am from I am from America's Hat aka
Communist Central from theNorthern perspective.
Sir Gene (05:56):
You're on the borderlands between
Dude Named Ben named Rob (05:58):
And obviously leaning one way
heavier than the other based onour political aspirations
lately.
However.
Sir Gene (06:04):
But you got a bigger border with the
Dude Named Ben named Rob (06:06):
But we were from southern Alberta,
which if you're looking for anarea oil company country as well
as this would be Texas.
Sir Gene (06:14):
Hell, man.
That makes you, yeah, that makesyou
Dude Named Ben named Rob (06:16):
It does not just for that.
But Alberta, Saskatchewan,Manitoba, the prairies very
carry very much the attitude of.
Of Montana's of Ohio, et cetera,right?
Crossing the border back andforth with the only real
difference was is that we didn'thave handguns, but every other
truck growing up about theshotguns in the rear view.
(06:40):
So anyway so we were alwaysanyway, we're you have to
remember.
It wasn't until 96 or somethinglike that.
Maybe 93 as well that we allowedSunday shopping.
So we were.
We were the last Bastils of the,kind of Christian white
Sir Gene (06:57):
We still can't buy a car on
Dude Named Ben named R (06:59):
because,
Sir Gene (07:01):
The car dealers are all closed Sunday.
Dude Named Ben named Rob (07:04):
Is that a law or just?
Oh,
Sir Gene (07:07):
Yeah.
It's cause you gotta be inchurch.
Yeah.
It's not voluntary.
It's these are actual
Dude Named Ben named Rob (07:15):
car dealers.
Okay.
Sir Gene (07:18):
Yes they're the last thing I think that people didn't
care enough to get rid of thelaws
Dude Named Ben named Rob (07:24):
can almost get behind that way.
You say,
Sir Gene (07:28):
car dealers.
It was a problem for Teslatrying to kind of sneak in here,
cause they're obviously, theydon't really, their car buying
experience is filling out a
Dude Named Ben named Rob (07:37):
yeah, online.
Yeah,
Sir Gene (07:39):
they were like we just have a showroom.
It's not a dealer.
You could take a car out for atest drive, but you're not
literally, you're nottechnically buying anything
there.
You're filling out a formonline.
And there was a big brouhaha,but I don't even know how it was
settled in the end, but Iremember it when it
Dude Named Ben named Rob (07:54):
All right.
All right.
I always am interested in thelittle localizations there as
you travel around.
That's a, it's an interestingangle on it where you're just
like,
Sir Gene (08:06):
And I asked about Muay Thai because that's the only
martial art that I
Dude Named Ben named Rob (08:10):
Okay.
And which style though?
Was it the problem with MuayThai is much like kickboxing,
right?
You have a little bit of theNorth American versus Europe
versus the, the traditional andall the different rule sets in
between, right?
Sir Gene (08:23):
so my teacher was from Samoa
Dude Named Ben named Rob (08:26):
very traditional elbow.
Yeah.
Elbow and the dance of deathwith the knees.
Okay.
Bottles on the shins to toughenyou up.
Sir Gene (08:34):
I broke four fingers on my left hand and one on my
right as in the course of
Dude Named Ben named Rob (08:40):
Yeah, toes and fingers are to be,
okay.
It's always my feet.
My, I had,
Sir Gene (08:47):
It's the shins.
Dude Named Ben named Rob (08:48):
so did you do the pop bottle on the,
Coke bottle that the old Cokebottles that used to be curved
with the the grip ribs, the, doyou remember the ones I'm
talking about?
Oh, that was the so if youremember the old Coke bottle
that had the.
Bell curve to it.
But the bottom had those spiral.
No, the old the glass, the old,
Sir Gene (09:07):
or glass
Dude Named Ben named Rob (09:08):
Yeah.
Sir Gene (09:09):
glass ones were they not straight?
I
Dude Named Ben named Rob (09:12):
No we used to have them kicking
around.
They were almost everyone wassearching around for him by the
time I was there, but they werethe hourglass shape, but they
would have the the grip on thebottom was basically, concave
half quarter circles all the wayaround.
And they would roll them up anddown their shins.
We had these ball.
Yeah.
I'm
Sir Gene (09:32):
Oh, you sure?
Dude Named Ben named R (09:33):
couldn't do it.
I'm like, you know what I'mjust, and plus I was at the
time, like 50, 150, 160 poundssoaking wet.
So I could drop down to 140territory.
So I just use the idea of I'lljust do Not, try not to stand
totally with you and, That toyou as I move backwards around
the ring, maybe by round three,I can move forward because you
(09:54):
were tired and I had gas.
Yeah.
Much different now where I'mpacking around old man weight
with, 200 pounds.
Once you start lifting weightsand realize, eh.
My metabolism changed.
I'm just going to get, I'm justgoing to
Sir Gene (10:09):
Yeah, it's it when you get to that point where your
body weighs what max bench usedto be it's kind of like
Dude Named Ben named Rob (10:18):
Yeah.
And
Sir Gene (10:19):
not good
Dude Named Ben named Rob (10:20):
and everything.
Right.
Switched over to Jiu Jitsu.
After all, all that, just to,save the knees and because it
was the new up and coming thing.
But
Sir Gene (10:31):
Did you guys have
Dude Named Ben named Rob (10:32):
we had sorry about that.
It is some market calling andI'm trying to kill the phone as
I not yeah, we had the early theearly Brazilians come up, but
this is now going back.
15, almost 20 years.
And I remember, so at the time,this was all crazy.
We're doing arm bars, rollingaround.
(10:54):
And then I, dropped off work andeverything else.
And, came back seven or eightyears later and all of a sudden
they're doing knee brace, likeknee, and you're going for
ankle.
And now all that's old school.
Now they've gone over to wristlocks.
They're going to the keto style.
And you're like It's superimpressive because the guys at
the squadron do jujitsu and, Iroll lightly nowadays because
(11:17):
I'm just one, I am one sneezeaway from blowing out some part
of my body and causing fourweeks of physio to tune of 500.
Sir Gene (11:26):
Yeah.
I, that, that shit getsprogressively longer.
Longer.
I'd blown out both my knees whenI was young and it was it it's
not fun, but you've, you're backto walking within the week,
Dude Named Ben named (11:38):
Wolverine when you're a kid, right?
Like you'd be like, Oh, allright,
Sir Gene (11:42):
Yeah, and
Dude Named Ben named Ro (11:43):
through this.
Sir Gene (11:44):
you just don't really notice a lot of this stuff, and
as you get older, it's I managedto do something to my ankle
while I was asleep about a monthago, and it I, it feels like, I
put pressure on it or weight onit when it was in the wrong
position or something, and itended up fucking up a tendon
and, Like that shit stillbothers me a month later, and
(12:07):
it's a minor injury.
And it was, it's the stupidityof it was like, I wasn't even
doing anything fun while it
Dude Named Ben named Rob (12:12):
you're in that 45 plus, you're just
constantly moving from injury toinjury with the with the worst
part.
Like you just said, not evenknowing how you, how this
happened, right?
So you count the days whereyou're not groaning, moaning and
avoiding, certain exercises or,no, no deep, I won't even knee
bend today.
I'll just walk straight leggedaround the.
Around the house, and as this isjust going to keep going
(12:36):
straight downhill, right?
You're just like, and we don'thave the the ability to get to
stem cells as easy as you guys.
I did try stem cells on my kneesthey, they have to do a bone
extraction.
So up here you don't, you have alot more restrictions,
obviously, and have to paythrough the nose.
Yeah, I would I've been,
Sir Gene (12:55):
So that's a lot of it's Next to the airport down
Dude Named Ben named Rob (12:57):
about it at this point.
It did probably yeah.
I think it did fix up my knees alittle bit, but the
Sir Gene (13:06):
It's actually pretty amazing how
Dude Named Ben named Rob (13:07):
I'm like, I'd like to do this more,
but they had to go into my hipto do the bone marrow.
So this is all the bone marrowstuff and having somebody bash,
basically a screw that they puta needle through at the end into
you is, I'm not going to sayit's painful.
It's disconcerting.
And then you're like, okay, theguy's done smashing you on the
(13:27):
back with the hammer, putting itin.
He's and then the doctor.
Sir Gene (13:31):
If you're awake while you're getting your wisdom teeth
extracted you start realizing
Dude Named Ben named Rob (13:35):
Yeah.
This is medieval, the medievaltorture, right?
As you're hearing them crack itin half.
Sir Gene (13:40):
It's like this shit hadn't changed in 2, 000 years,
they were doing literally theexact same thing.
Let's get a chisel and thenstart
Dude Named Ben named Rob (13:47):
I don't know if you've ever had
bone marrow, but the part of it.
That's not that.
Yeah, that's not thedisconcerting part.
He's this is where it's reallygoing to feel strange.
And I'm like, pardon after, Iassume that was so then they
withdraw the bone marrow.
And because basically they'resucking out from your body.
That's been Equalized,pressurized ambient it creates
(14:09):
it creates basically a vacuumand your body has to compensate
and it's literally, I, you knowhow you lick a nine bolt on your
tongue?
It shot through from my hip,both directions in that same
manner.
And it popped out my ears.
I can almost hear the bonepressurized, repressurized.
And I'm like, yeah, you knowwhat?
(14:30):
That is disconcerting.
Thanks for the three secondwarning before you Yeah, you
sucked all that marrow out.
But yeah, anyway it I'm, youguys are lucky down there.
Yeah, you're so close because Ihonestly think that is.
A future treatment to a lot ofwhat I'll call aged and injury
related in
Sir Gene (14:46):
And ultimately not even using your bone marrow for
that.
Dude Named Ben named Rob (14:50):
yeah, and it's getting closer and
there's, let's not, we don'tneed to harvest babies yet.
That's just for fun
Sir Gene (14:57):
I, I no, but I could say that stuff, the exactly but
I know there's definitely thereare people that are doing that
for de aging stuff, like gettingrid of wrinkles on your face and
stuff.
And it's it's the next level, ifyou if you can easily afford
Botox this costs a little more,but now you can actually get
stem cells in your face andit'll make, it'll literally do
(15:20):
an Instagram de aging filter onyour face.
Dude Named Ben named Rob (15:22):
is going to be more.
And yeah as in the interestingpart is I have heard of them
doing very refinement now.
So actually taking the stem cellinstead of just injecting it and
saying, go off and find yourlocation.
I guess they're now able totweak them where.
Your stem cell, and we want youto become cartilage, so much
(15:42):
more focused and refined.
So if you start thinking inthose terms, yeah, no, no need
for plastic surgery.
We'll just refill the collegeand in your face and off you go.
Yeah, it,
Sir Gene (15:54):
exactly.
And there, it's not all thatdifferent from the new
synthetically grown real meat.
There's two or three companiesthat are now doing this.
And it, it tastes real becauseit is real.
It's just grown without all theother body
Dude Named Ben named Rob (16:10):
We live in interesting times.
Now, is it ready for prime timeor is this the 20 year?
Sir Gene (16:18):
It's well, there have been a number of like reporters
that have gone out to theseplaces and they've tested it and
they talk about how it.
Tastes just like a steak orwhatever.
So I think it's certainly in thecurrently being done, but not,
they don't have any of theregulatory approvals
Dude Named Ben named Rob (16:38):
yeah, and not that I don't distrust a
reporter telling me what ittastes
Sir Gene (16:42):
And I think it'll probably start selling in some
other country first.
Not in the U S for sure.
Dude Named Ben named Rob (16:46):
yeah I, it's just the overall factory
mechanics and moving through allof that where you're like, okay,
when will it actually displace?
Products without again what I'llcall government fuckery in
regards to moving monies towardsor making something else less
productive and that They are,you talk
Sir Gene (17:08):
I'll tell you what, if it gets rid of the U S having to
grow nothing but corn, whichsure seems to be mostly what we
grow I'm all for it, man.
Cause we need more farmingdiversity.
Then just freaking
Dude Named Ben named (17:21):
monocrop.
It's interesting.
Sir Gene (17:24):
Huh.
Dude Named Ben named Rob (17:24):
Yeah.
I we haven't got to that pointhere.
A little bit of that is thatwe're still mixed, heavy mixed
farming up here.
So between we have a muchshorter grow season.
Sir Gene (17:33):
You do the rapeseed I know quite a
Dude Named Ben named Rob (17:35):
it's quite a bit, but not as much as
you see.
Yeah.
It, that's because it was aCanadian and, it was one of the
major ones pushed I'll say,
Sir Gene (17:44):
And for people that don't know
Dude Named Ben named Rob (17:45):
And the other aspect that maybe
people don't understand is onceyou grow it, it's goddamn
impossible to get rid of we.
Yeah,
Sir Gene (17:53):
you're saying it's a bit of a rapist are you
Dude Named Ben named Rob (17:58):
But that was heavily subsidized
because it was I'll call it aCanadian invention, which isn't
quite true.
But in regards to itsindustrial, yes, from the
industrialization of it into thefarming, it was super hard to
get rid of.
And then because of thesubsidies and everything else
it.
It became quite popular.
We still have a very nicemixture up here.
(18:20):
That's just really due to ourgrowing season We have a lot of
variety in the Canadian prairiesthat you guys don't get the
reason quite simply for it isall that topsoil you guys get to
grow on in The bottom 49 statesall came from up here when the
glaciers pushed it all off.
Sir Gene (18:40):
Oh, here we go.
Here we go
Dude Named Ben named Rob (18:42):
Yeah.
Yeah.
And so again, the reason you
Sir Gene (18:44):
Yes that the great freeze over Pushed all the good
dirt down south and left us with
Dude Named Ben named Rob (18:50):
So again, that's why I think we
should be subsidized more.
In regards to U.
S.
Canadian funding, at least froma TV perspective.
Sir Gene (18:59):
Oh, get in line buddy.
There's so many countrieswanting money from the us.
Dude Named Ben named Rob (19:03):
If you haven't seen it do take a look
at something like the WashingtonYakima Valley, those things.
They have and I have family downacross the border.
If you go and look, some oftheir areas, you'll find 4, 5, 6
feet of topsoil.
It would be the closest thingthat you'd see to that Ukrainian
basin where they have 3 feet ofthat big black soil.
(19:24):
We would be lucky up here tohave.
inches, three to four inches.
From a farming perspective uphere, we have to do a lot more
creative things just because Andthat also means that especially
being in the foothills here, wehave a huge amount of ranching
because quite simply, you can'tgrow anything.
(19:44):
In the foothills, you can, Idon't know, you can definitely
grow a crop on there and you'relike, you can grow a crop on a
quarter of that.
Once you move into the scrufflands, the up and downs, like
what the foothills, I'm not surewhat names you guys call it, you
ain't putting nothing but cowsout there to eat grass.
Let's be honest.
If you'd like to take all thatagricultural base out because
(20:05):
you want to grow food, you can.
However at some point, it's justnot economically viable pushing
cows out there on grass and leafland is a pretty cheap method.
And it then supplies usefulnessto that land where you're not
going to get that back in somesort of vegan push to protein
methodology.
Sir Gene (20:27):
Yeah.
And I'm not talking about thefake meat vegan stuff I'm
talking about like actual meat.
Meat.
It's
Dude Named Ben named Rob (20:32):
Yeah, but again, yeah, anything
Sir Gene (20:35):
It's just pure
Dude Named Ben named Ro (20:35):
they've I Sure, I'm just kind of saying
is to get that level of factorywhere you're like, competing
against someone who's going topop a cow into a grassland and
sure you have the investment ofthe cow, but from a ranching
perspective in the grasslands,your investment of those cattle
is goddamn minimal.
Your lease land cost is fairlycheap.
If not next to zero, especiallyif that lands been within the
(21:00):
yeah.
within the family for a periodof time, and to also keep again,
government entering intomarkets.
A lot of the guys doingranchings are actually
subsidized to keep that ranchland grass versus putting into
farms so that crop prices stayup in other ways.
Sir Gene (21:18):
Same thing with a lot of Minnesotan States as well,
where there are two options areto grow either corner grass,
everything else is notprofitable.
And then the grass, because thegovernment pays you to not grow
shit.
Or the corn because,
Dude Named Ben named Rob (21:34):
Yeah.
So all of a sudden you get acouple hundred acres of grass
getting paid by government.
Now what?
You could still run out and bailit or
Sir Gene (21:41):
Maize, it does make for good good land for the deer
Dude Named Ben named Rob (21:44):
Or elk whatever you may want to put a
bullet in.
Sir Gene (21:47):
Yeah, if you're lucky enough to have bigger
Dude Named Ben named Rob (21:50):
yeah, we, we get lucky with with
having almost all.
Game through here.
The moose is northern.
I'd have to go a couple hoursnorth or towards B.
C.
to get to moose.
Sir Gene (22:03):
I've watched some of these YouTube videos on, on baby
moose, like wandering aroundCanadian neighborhoods, trying
to figure out where the food is.
Dude Named Ben named Rob (22:11):
It's cute.
We get baby bears.
We have all the usual faunawandering down.
Yeah,
Sir Gene (22:17):
That I
Dude Named Ben named Rob (22:17):
a lot of those things are because from
a major Canadian cityperspective, you look at
Calgary, Edmonton, for example,they're on the river bottoms.
Because we're aiming for theriver.
There's water.
That means a lot of the animalsjust wander up or wander down,
whichever way you'd like to sayit, the river system, and they
pop out in the communities.
It's not.
(22:38):
Terribly uncommon, but it'sstill not it still doesn't mean
I can go and cam up and sitbeside the 7 Eleven and get a
moose during during huntingseason.
It's just it's things poppingout of the woods.
You're like, cool, better therethan on the road.
Sir Gene (22:55):
And I'm sure it's the same thing with the elk, but I
know from deer hunting, it'slike.
The deer know exactly when thehunting season starts because a
couple of days beforehand,they're just nonchalantly
walking right up to you andwanting to get pet and nuzzle
and get some food out of yourfingers.
And then first day of the seasonopens up.
(23:15):
There's not a deer for 150miles.
They're all gone.
It's like, how the hell do they
Dude Named Ben named Rob (23:21):
go out on the first day of hunting.
It sounds just like the cartoonswith with Elmer Fudd, right?
It's just this blasting away.
We actually do bow huntingbefore which, which is pretty
polite for Which is pretty, yeahit's pretty polite because from
a bow hunting perspective youhave first crack at everything,
(23:42):
and there's not that many peopleout compared to rifle, so you
can set your stand up and have alittle better go of it.
The real, yeah, but the realproblem with that though is so
early in the season the chance,unless you get an early
snowfall, they won't pushthemselves down.
You gotta walk pretty far back,so there's all these caveats to
it.
With being with the foothillsall up and down.
(24:03):
The mountains like once thesnows come in, the elk will push
right down to the farmland.
So there's a really good chanceif you're patient enough that
you can land elk, especially ifno farmers with land against the
edge of that, three, four yearsago, nothing but nothing but
golden, new old farmer, let uscome out there.
Now that he's moved on, retiredout, I'm back onto crown land,
(24:25):
much tougher, you gotta, again,know the locals, know someone
with the weather, because youtake that week off, it's a warm
week.
They just, they're not going todrop out of the tree line.
So all of a sudden you're likecool.
I guess I can shiv a deer causethey're all around, but my
family doesn't eat.
(24:45):
Too gamey.
I can hide elk for the kids, butyeah elk, you can make tastes
like cow, deer, you're you'remixing.
Sir Gene (24:57):
I like elk.
I've always been partial to elk,although I will say that from a.
Just a hardiness standpoint youcan't beat
Dude Named Ben named Rob (25:05):
I've only had the restaurant, I'll
call it restaurant buffalo.
So I'm not a hundred percentsure if that is.
Sir Gene (25:13):
I've bought, but I've never hunted for it, but I've
bought a bunch in the, likeSouth Dakota, North Dakota.
And it is, it's really good evento the point where I'll even,
sometimes I don't do this veryoften because I always am self
conscious about what I'm doingwhen I go to Whole Foods, but
occasionally I'll go to WholeFoods and buy some some buffalo
(25:35):
meat out there because they,they have it all the time, but
Dude Named Ben named Rob (25:39):
Is that is is it, do you guys, so
when I had it, it was notmarbled at all.
It was, yes.
Okay.
Okay.
I wasn't sure if so that wholemarbling and that whole
marvelous.
So we grew up on a farm and we'draise a yearling.
We would have the horses, cowsand everything, but we would
have a yearling bull that wewould raise out just to butcher.
(26:01):
Okay.
It would be kept a little bitseparate.
We could feed it a little bitmore, but it'd be pastured out
on the different ones and itsmeat would come out, not
marbled.
Deep red.
Because it we've never feed lotit.
And at the end of the year, thisyear and half the time it was an
asshole anyway, because it was alittle bit baby compared to the
other animals.
And that, that was considerednot the best meat, right?
(26:24):
You go to a restaurant and thisis marbled everything else.
And I was always like Where didthat come from?
Is that?
Sir Gene (26:31):
I think having the the fatty deposits within the fat
within the musculature does makefor a tastier piece of meat, but
I'll tell you from a, just, Idon't know how to better
describe it than heartiness.
Like I, I eat some bison or,Buffalo, I guess some people
(26:52):
refer to it.
And it, I'm just like full
Dude Named Ben named Rob (26:55):
very dense, and it is harder to
Sir Gene (26:58):
Yeah.
Dude Named Ben named Ro (26:59):
Marbled out steak from, our safeway or
whatever else.
Easier, much easier to barbecue.
You gotta be right on top ofyour elk steak.
Sir Gene (27:07):
Yeah, you can't let it dry
Dude Named Ben named Rob (27:08):
Yeah or you have to put the pan, put
the metal pan in with water inthere to keep, there's a variety
of ways around it.
1 can agree that the marblingadds,
Sir Gene (27:18):
Or you just cook it in butter.
Dude Named Ben named Rob (27:19):
such a mess, like bringing up the big
pan and everything like that.
That's why I'm like barbecuesright outside.
Sir Gene (27:25):
Yeah, just put a cast iron pan on the barbecue, and
then put a
Dude Named Ben named Rob (27:31):
I'm gonna let you in on a secret.
I don't, eh, that's sounding waymore like work than I care to do
just to get that piece of meat.
It is, I don't have a smoker.
I am like this all my buddiesare always like, oh, I'm gonna
do this.
And I'm like, yeah, cool.
Bring me over some.
Sir Gene (27:47):
What?
No pellet smoker?
What century do you live in?
Cool.
I know you got to run and we'rejust going to chat a little bit
briefly here just to get alittle bit of a sampling in, but
we'll get into all the othermore interesting topics like you
being a dude named Ben and allthe
Dude Named Ben named Rob (28:06):
Yeah, I thought it'd be I thought it'd
be fun to chat and I wouldn'tmind.
I wouldn't mind.
We could do a topic based, but Ithink we could go through any
social and pick out where thetopics are because I'm super
interested on hearing everyone'sopinion of the unique microcosm
that I see there.
Yeah, I I'm always like, ah,it's just a variation of how
(28:28):
many layers of tinfoil hat oneis wearing if you land on any
social.
But then you're like no, thisguy's, this guy's, this person's
a full body.
Sir Gene (28:37):
Mhm.
Dude Named Ben named Rob (28:38):
Are you really sure the Jews are
running in the world?
Cause I gotta say.
If they were, it would befucking much more organized than
this.
I'm just going to, I'm justgoing to outline if this is
really true like honestly, theshit should be a lot better.
Sir Gene (28:53):
And it all depends on where you work.
If you work in Hollywood.
I think that's just an honeststatement to say the Jews
typically are your bossesbecause there's not as many
Jewish people that are acting,but they do have an awful lot of
careers in things surroundingthat.
Which has to do with finance.
(29:15):
That's a very doctor, lawyer,accountant, three top Jewish
career paths.
So it's not hard to figure outwhere they're going to end
Dude Named Ben named (29:24):
obviously there are what I'll call the in
groups in every industry or areaas well.
Right.
And,
Sir Gene (29:31):
like Indians and IT.
Yes.
Yeah.
Dude Named Ben named Rob (29:32):
I was just gonna, I was just going to
bring that up and you've seenthem shift heavily into finance,
especially in Canada theEastern, 10, 15 years ago in the
east.
That was all the shifting.
You're seeing that now crossover into the rest of Canada.
It started east and thenVancouver, and now it's meeting
across the end and you just stopand go, okay is there a comball
(29:53):
there?
And you're like, no, but there'sdefinitely an investment and
there's definitely a cultureaspect and I'm going to let you
in on a secret.
People like hiring people likethem
Sir Gene (30:06):
Absolutely.
And this is I'm glad you broughtthat up and we'll probably wrap
it up on this.
But this is something I've beentelling Americans for decades
because Americans don'tunderstand this.
Every other culture does.
And I think the reason isbecause and maybe Canada is the
same way.
But the reason is becauseAmerica.
Is made up of a bunch ofimmigrants over generations.
(30:27):
And so there isn't that sort ofaffinity towards somebody from
your neck of the woods thatthere is with other countries.
When you have somebody comingfrom India and they're the first
person to get hired in thecompany there's an extremely
high chance that adisproportionately high
percentage of people that theyhave in an.
(30:48):
And the effect on hiring,whether it's a decision maker or
just some parallel effect willhave similar mindset and similar
characteristics to them.
And that also means probably asimilar background, which
probably means same color skin.
Dude Named Ben named (31:05):
political affiliation.
Sir Gene (31:07):
typical thing.
It's the reason that we hadIrish cops.
As a, kind of a colloquial funnything, but it was based on
reality because police ended upcoming into the workforce and I
saw it firsthand in Minnesotawhen I lived there with the
Somalis taking over the taxitrade.
(31:29):
It was prior to the Somalis,there were a lot of Ethiopians
that
Dude Named Ben named Ro (31:35):
there's a meatpacking plant here.
That is now all Filipino and andtalking to, a friend of a
friend, in there and theattitude was is.
They're all Filipino, the white,it wasn't that they actively
pushed out the white workers,but they actively pushed out the
white workers.
At some point, if you're theonly white guy showing up to
(31:56):
this job, not, and everyone elsearound you isn't, you get the
idea, right?
There's a level of selfselection that, that occurs
here.
And we see this in HR,
Sir Gene (32:07):
They were
Dude Named Ben named Rob (32:08):
and people talk about companies
going woke and everything likethat.
And there's this, When we allowpeople freedom to self select,
they tend to self select.
There's good and there's bad toit.
It was interesting that youbrought up, U.
S.
and, the Canadian aspect.
There used to be the idea of amelting pot and you're the same
(32:28):
age as I am.
So there used to be something ofbecome American, right, or
become Canadian.
That first generation Canadianlanding in the prairies, first
thing they did was built aschool.
Correction, they built a church,they built the school, and then
they hired an English speakingteacher so that their kids were
not going to be
Sir Gene (32:49):
Yeah.
Dude Named Ben named Ro (32:49):
weren't going to be Ukrainian, they
spoke Ukrainian at home, butthose kids were, or Polish or
whatever, or German, but theirkids were going to speak English
and be Canadian, and there wasthat aspect of us you.
Being Canadian, being Americanfirst, and then we were Irish
American, then we were,
Sir Gene (33:11):
You can celebrate different cultural.
Events, holidays, whatever, ofwhere your family originated,
but you felt like you were anAmerican or you were a Canadian
or whatever.
Dude Named Ben named R (33:25):
foremost on the same team.
And I think we, this, and I'veseen this, again, drift over my
childhood.
I think you had the, you wouldswear allegiance.
We would do the God's prayer.
We would do, Oh Canada, we woulddo all these things to have a
commonality of culture, and nowthose are actually being, taken
out and now never shall we speakof that.
Everyone should be whatever theyare first.
(33:47):
And I'm like I think you'remissing the point of needing to
be active in creating cohesionand.
I think unfortunately, we'llfeel the consequences of this
sooner or later, and I'm,
Sir Gene (34:05):
I think we already are in a lot of
Dude Named Ben named Rob (34:07):
It's just has it, the question we
talked about quite a bit,amongst myself and the other
tinfoil hats is, when will itget really bad?
When will this pendulum swingover to?
The other side which simplymeans all the worst things are
going to happen to the people.
We don't want it to happen to,the lower the people in the
(34:29):
lower aspects of society who,you know, one, one wants to
protect and to help are going tofeel this way worse.
And it's all being driven frommy 10, 15 percent of the
population who
Sir Gene (34:46):
The only things sorry to interrupt you there, but the
only thing I would say is thatmight be a similar lining is
that there's a book that afriend of mine wrote maybe 10,
12 years ago, which predictedall this stuff.
And it's called pendulum and itis basically an analysis of the
last.
Really hardcore about 300, butgoing back
Dude Named Ben named Rob (35:08):
the author of that
Sir Gene (35:09):
human history,
Dude Named Ben named Rob (35:11):
Thank you.
Sir Gene (35:12):
Roy Williams.
Yeah, if you look up pendulumand Roy Williams on Amazon
you'll see it.
And I actually both the, he hada coauthor as well.
They're both friends of mine,but the book is a it's an
analysis more than thepredictive thing, but the
predictions they're making werevery spot on because they say
(35:34):
this is sort of.
It's a pattern in humanity.
It's not something that we'relike consciously trying to
choose.
The only variables are these,the details of the events, but
whether something happens ornot.
Is extremely likely due to thepast pattern.
What we don't know is where it'sgoing to happen and what
Dude Named Ben named Rob (35:53):
And the extremes.
Yeah.
The swing.
Sir Gene (35:57):
And in that book, 2023 is the leftmost position on the
pendulum.
So this is where next year itstarts to swing back in the
other direction.
Dude Named Ben named Rob (36:08):
yeah.
Sir Gene (36:10):
And 1983 was the opposite side of the pendulum.
It was the rightmost pendulumwas.
The swing is in a very generalsense between individualism and
collectivism.
So right now we are at thepinnacle of the collectivism in
(36:30):
the West.
Now that pattern holds true forEurope and western countries
like the United States, Canada,et cetera, does not hold true
for Asian countries.
They have their own
Dude Named Ben named Rob (36:42):
I'll, I will take a look.
Sir Gene (36:44):
but if you start looking at Europe.
Yeah, Europe, Middle Eastreally, the remnants of the
Roman empire and which Icertainly consider the United
States to be coming out of thathistorically.
We all still adhere to that same
Dude Named Ben named Rob (36:58):
Yeah, I definitely will.
Sir Gene (36:59):
You'll enjoy it.
Dude Named Ben named Rob (37:00):
The the thing is this isn't
surprising when people talkabout cycles or this pendulum
swing the left to the right youonly have to look inside
yourself to say when you want tomake changes inside of yourself
you obviously go to extremes andpull back and that's my entire
family coming home and the dognow barking.
Apologies.
Yeah.
(37:20):
All right.
Sir Gene (37:20):
things up five minutes ago.
All right.
So with that
Dude Named Ben named Rob (37:23):
you have a good day, man.
Thank you very much.
Bye.
Sir Gene (37:26):
All right.
Take care.
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