0110 Sir Gene Speaks with Ni**arificEnergy - Prepping - Sir Gene Speaks

Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
Gene (00:00):
We never really got into talking about any kind of

(00:02):
prepping stuff and you wanted todo that.
And I said, great, let's doanother episode.
So this is the prepping episode.
Anyone keeping track of thatsort of thing?
And I will just right off thebat caveat and say that I'm, I'm
definitely not a professionalprepper.
Although I have run severalcompanies that sell specifically

(00:23):
to preppers over the years, andI've just sort of by, you know,
my normal personality type, Ithink I have I've managed to
accumulate a fair amount ofthings that fall into the
category of.
Prepping, but I do not have aunderground shelter next to my
house.

(00:43):
So that kind of disqualifies mefrom being a professional.

Ni**arificEnergy (00:47):
I would just like to say for all of the FBI
people listening that I do nothave a shelter underneath my
house either.
I have no weapons whatsoever andI don't, I don't prep.
I'm just here to learn.

Gene (01:03):
Exactly.
Well, prepping is really allabout LARPing.
That's really the bottom line.
You know what LARPing is, right?
Live action role play.
So this LARPing is what really,I was going to say adults, but I
could probably just say men whogrew up in age.
And their financial abilities,but not necessarily did they

(01:24):
grow up in terms of their mentalcapacity.
So, so a lot of guys enjoygetting the kind of gear that
you will find in call of duty.
Or other video games where thelatest, greatest, coolest toys
exist, except getting them inthe real life and living in the
United States.

(01:45):
We are at least for the timebeing blessed with the
opportunity to get a lot, ifnot, certainly not all that
stuff, but a lot of those thingsthat are used in video games
used by professional militariesaround the world, we are able to
purchase legally.
So, with that in mind, andobviously.
Prepping could have a lot ofdifferent areas, including like

(02:06):
canning foods or dehydratingfoods or, or having that
underground bunker, or justhaving a, a lot of solar panels
and a lot of ways to live offthe grid.
All of those fall in generalcategory.
What do you want to starttalking about?

Right.
So that's like the main questionI think is, and you like touched
on it a little bit, but whattype of prepper are we talking
about here because some peopleare prepping for the government
to shut down.
Some people are prepping for, Imean, the, the earth to turn on
its side.
You know what I mean?

(02:43):
So I mean, we've touched on likethe LARPing and guys who are
talking about or thinking thatthe government's going to shut
down or we're going to have somesort of political chaos, but
yeah.
I think a lot of people areprepping and this is like stuff
that I've gone into for yearsnow and I don't know what to,
what to think of it, but theworld like turning on its side

(03:05):
and like the acceleration of thepole shifting and that causing
like ice ages and for most ofhuman history that, The Earth
has been a snowball, and formost of the Earth's history, you
know, it's been been mostly coldperiods, which have few warm
periods, and this is the longestwarm period that we've been in.

Gene (03:28):
That's actually not true.

Oh, okay.

Gene (03:32):
you're right about for most of human history, the Earth
has been a snowball.
That is correct.
But we are right now technicallystill in a defrost from the last
ice age

Ices.
Right,

Gene (03:46):
If you look at the majority of Earth's history.
Which humans comprise of justthe very last small fraction of
a percentage of the Earth'shistory.
The average Earth temperaturethat we've been able to
extrapolate from measurements ofice cores, wood samples and
rocks we're roughly eightdegrees below the average

(04:10):
temperature of the planet rightnow.
So.
We're talking about panicsetting in over a fraction of a
degree increase.
But keep in mind that thetemperatures have been slowly
going up for the last 100, 000years with some ups and downs

(04:31):
because we've had global warmingevents and global cooling events
during that time.
But in general, they've beenincreasing.
But they've been increasingbecause we're still recovering
from the last real deep ice age.
And we

for sure.

Gene (04:44):
quite a ways to go.
And you look at the, the, theperiod in time when the earth
contained infinitely more, well,I shouldn't say infinitely, but
vastly more species of animalsand insects, and we had gigantic
insects, we had large lizards,those.

(05:04):
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, the the God, I forget whatthe giant centipede name was.
Our, our, our crow, or I thinkArthur plural.
That was it.
And you know, a lot of that waspossible due to combination of
factors.
One was a warmer planet earth toa much higher oxygen percentage

(05:25):
in planet earth.
And three, a higher CO2percentage, which allowed so
much vegetation to grow andprosper that it was then able to
generate more oxygen and peoplesay, well, wait a minute, how
can you have both more oxygenand more CO2 because CO2 takes
the oxygen and then turns intoCO2.

(05:46):
So if there's more CO2, there'sless action.
That's actually a.
A fallacy because it'soversimplification of what
happens the amounts of carbonthat combines with oxygen to
form CO2 is measured in partsper million.
The amount of oxygen in theatmosphere is measured in
percent in which is literallyoxygen makes up I believe it's

(06:10):
It's around 20%, maybe 22percent of the total atmosphere
of the planet.
So CO2 is a tiny amount, so wecan absolutely have a higher
percentage of oxygen and oxygenwas as high as 34%.
Of the atmosphere during thewhich I'm going to forget which

(06:30):
of the, the, the seat.
Yeah.
Which of the errors that was in,but it was basically the, the
one that was predates thedinosaurs.
It was during the, I think itwas the, the one at the very
start of the Cambrian.
Where you had the earth sittingat about 34 percent oxygen,
where you could support muchlarger organisms because the

(06:53):
higher the percentage of oxygenis, the more surface area you
need to be able to breathe.
And we would know this in moderndays from COVID because when
people were suffering from COVIDeffects with diminished lung
capacity, because You know,there's fluid in your lines.
There's this storm, whichcreates all kinds of issues
with, your lungs no longer beingable to take in the action from

(07:17):
the little.
Little bags that I forget whatthey're called that are make up
your lungs a way to make surethat people are still getting
the appropriate amount of actionis to put them on either in the
beer bariatric chamber, or justto plug them in.
So they're breathing a highercontent of action, which is
exactly what I did when I hadcoded.
I, I bought a machine for thehouse and then so, I actually

(07:40):
was normally my house is runningat about a thousand parts per
million CO2.
I prefer a high CO2 environment,but during the actual COVID.
I was actually breathing 67percent pure oxygen and you
know, I went through COVID justfine.
It's no, no major issues or longterm negative effects from it.

(08:03):
And of course I never use anyvaccine bullshit.
So, I just treated the diseaseand moved on.
So,

What is that what is the advantage of a high
CO2 environment that you like?

Gene (08:16):
well, there's a couple of things.
First of all, plans grow better

Right, yeah.
I understand that for sure.
I'm talking about for youspecifically.

Gene (08:24):
yeah, yeah.
Well, I think, again, we, wethink that the way things were
last year is the way they'vealways been.
And that is just contrary toreality.
So, if you look at the history.
Even during the last roughlymillion years or so that, that
our ancestors have been around,or even the last hundred
thousand years that Homo sapienshave been walking around in most

(08:47):
of the world, the amount of CO2has been higher at times and it
has correlated to larger growthin in food production.
So like the, the great harvestyears that our ancestors
Experiencing where at times thatcorrelated with higher co2
during those years.
And so, it is not a problem forme, I'm only going to speak for

(09:10):
myself because we don't give anykind of advice, no legal or
medical advice on this show.
But speaking for myself, I have.
Absolutely zero problem being inthe, the highest I've done is 3,
000 parts per million, which is,it's, it's just beyond what
medically they say ispotentially problematic, but I,

(09:31):
you know, I like to do my owntesting, a lot of things.
And I felt perfectly fine in thehouse at 3000 parts per million
CO2.
Outdoors generally right now,we're running at about 450, 460
in the house.
I'm usually around a thousand, alittle over a thousand.
And this is something that I'vebeen measuring for roughly 12

(09:51):
years now.
So I've, I've actually got inthe same house, in the same
environment, 12 years of datapoints.

Yeah, see, I look at so I look at things from
an athletic standpoint becausethat's like where my background
is.
And we're trying to buildhyperbaric chambers that have
basically all oxygen.
So

Gene (10:09):
of that.
That's how you end up withexplosions.

right, right.
But yeah, like increasing theoxygen percentage for us, it
helps us heal.

Gene (10:18):
Yeah.
Absolutely.
Yeah.
Yeah.

so yeah, it's interesting.
I've just never heard thatperspective of Oh, okay.
Well, we're, I know that

Gene (10:26):
Yeah.
But again, keep in mind, CO2 isa tiny change in the amount of
CO2.
It's you're going from way lessthan 1 percent to still way less
than 1%.
So you can double, triple,quadruple the amount of CO2 in
your atmosphere without anyadverse effects.
As far as I'm concerned for meOf being a result of that

(10:48):
increase in CO2, is there abenefit to you as a human with
increased CO2?
I, I think the only potentiallong term benefit and it is only
long term is just being lesssensitive to high CO2

Okay.

Gene (11:03):
because I'm in that environment.
Anytime I'm in the house, thatmeans if I happen to be in a
shopping mall or something, orin a movie theater, and there's
way too many people andeveryone's breathing really hard
or whatever.
I'm just not going to besensitive to that.
Like people that have never beenabove four 50 might be.
But it's not like there's anyphysical or, you know, disease

(11:24):
related.
I don't recommend people dothis.
Certainly.
I don't recommend that.
And the only reason I'm doing itis a, as an express, a long term
experiment and B because it's,it's good for plants in my
house.
And I, I don't grow pot ifpeople are wondering, I'm not
living inside of a pot growhouse with high CO2 levels.

(11:46):
I mostly actually grow potatoesand I grow them indoors and it's
kind of my that does touch alittle bit on the whole prepping
thing because I always havepotatoes growing all year long
indoors.

Yeah.
I was gonna ask you how is, howis that, that must be pretty
awesome.

Gene (12:04):
Well, they're kind of cool.
I mean, they're not the

Catan or what are you, what are we getting
into?
What kind of potatoes we got?

Gene (12:10):
You know, I, the Idaho potatoes from the store.
It's pretty basic.
I don't go looking for heirloomseeds or anything like that.
No, it's just, I found that ifyou, if you Like certain brand
of potatoes, you can plant themabout, about a quarter of them

(12:32):
will actually germinate.
So that's good enough for me.
So watch all of it sued byMonsanto or some shit.
We're illegally growing theirpotato strain.
But it's kind of neat just tohave your own growing plants
that are producing food in thehouse year long year round.
I should say I've tried otherstuff like carrots.

(12:52):
Don't like to grow indoors forwhatever reason.
I guess they want more sunlightor something.
Potatoes are fine.
They're actually kind of, afairly all viney kind of.
Plant so they actually will grabonto my the what do you call it?
The the thing next to thewindow, the the shades

Gotcha.

Gene (13:11):
I'll grab onto the window shades and just kind of hook in
between the slats on the shades

Ah,

Gene (13:17):
and then use the shade as a way to hang it on.
And so they're, you know,they're, they're wanting to
stick their leaves out rightnext to the window to get
sunshine, which is great.
But yeah, in general, I alsohave an I should say I had.
An avocado plant growing likethat, that I grew from a seed as
well.
Now could I'll be,

like?

Gene (13:35):
it was good until I accidentally killed it.
So.
I was too, because I let it growfor about a year and then I kind
of accidentally kill it.
So it wasn't, it never got tothe point of actually delivering
me avocado plant fruit.

Yeah, it takes years

Gene (13:50):
been kind of neat to do that, but it certainly grows
indoors.
It didn't have any problemgrowing indoors.
But I

I grew weed.

Gene (13:57):
well, that, that could also grow indoors, but I hear
that everywhere.

It does grow everywhere.
I was a little bit morescientific with it and I got the
very, very large, beautifulplants out of it.

Gene (14:10):
Okay.

But all,

Gene (14:12):
or regular.
What

allegedly no, just regular.
I had a live soil, actually.
Yeah, so I just I had to feed mysoil as well as the plants.
was really awesome.
It was like a micro haze, abunch of different mixtures of
different chemicals and stuff.
I can get you the book thattaught me all this stuff.

Gene (14:35):
Well, I just mentioned it.
I mean, I don't, yeah, it

It's just called the, it's called the grow
book.
That's it.
That's what it's called.
Yeah.
I mean, honestly, you could growanything out of this book.
It's very, very good, but it'smore specifically geared towards
growing marijuana and specificstrains of marijuana.

Gene (14:53):
Yeah.
And I mean, I like, I do managethe pH of the soil with
chemicals just to keep it levelthat I wanted that.
And then I've got Oh this, asfar as the soil, I, I usually
buy Michigan, upper Michigan,upper peninsula peat.
And I have that shipped in anduse that because that's, that's
like some of the best soil inthe country.

Okay.

Gene (15:15):
Which is probably excessive and unnecessary, but
I, I, I tend to do it.
Cause

They're your babies, you know what I mean?
I

Gene (15:24):
you know, why

a, I went with a mix of cocoa, flour, a bunch
of things to keep moisture.
And then a little bit of rocks,but like mostly just like
really, really high qualitydirt, fat guano.
Bunch of different things.
It's really

Gene (15:40):
yeah, that that could be really strong fertilizer and
then I've got isopods in therethat will clean up any kind of
debris that needs to get cleanedup.
And then I've got spiders eatingthe isopods that, so I've got a
little ecosystem in there, butreally predominantly it's, it's
just.
Being able to have a constantyear round supply of food

(16:03):
growing.
And it's not like I'm growingenough food that I'm eating only
potatoes that I grow myself.
That's not the goal.
The goal is to have somethingthat if I need to, that I can
then transplant and multiply andstart to grow a lot more of.
So it's really more like keepinga small flame burning in case

(16:24):
you need to build a larger fire.

That's actually a really good concept.
It's almost like a swingtraining, you know, like you're
just investing in this a littlebit at a time

Gene (16:34):
the way I look at it, like prepping is really, it's all
about just in case,

right

Gene (16:40):
yeah, you may not need any of this stuff, but just in case
I also have, I, I keep somewherearound maybe 200 gallons of
water.
In the house,

Okay.
Yeah.
Water is always really, reallygood to

Gene (16:56):
yeah, which is, and, and it's 200 gallons of distilled
water.
So it's all pure from any kindof little critters getting in
there.
And for, for really a singledude, you know, 200 gallons can
last me a damn long time.
That's, and I think everybodyshould keep some water.
And that it's really up to youto determine what is.

(17:19):
What you feel is the correctamount, but I know from
practical experience, like backthree years ago here in Texas, I
went for five days with noelectricity in the middle of
winter.
And that was not fun.
And I didn't have a generatorback then at the time I do now.
And so, you know, the storeswere closed, everything shut
down.

(17:40):
There were definitely peoplethat, and of course there was a
do not drink the water.
Advisory, because when there'sno power and all this shit's
happening, you know, the, thepower plants aren't adequately
cleaning or not the power plant,the water plants are not
treating the water properly.
So you shouldn't be drinking andthat's assuming your pipes

(18:00):
didn't freeze like a lot ofpeople's froze.
So,

in Texas during that time.
Yeah, so I lived in just outsideof Dallas in Flower Mound at
that

Gene (18:09):
okay.

And so yeah it was like really weird.
Bucky's kept my family alive atthat time, which is

Gene (18:15):
Oh, dude, Bucky's is so awesome.

I know, they're so great.

Gene (18:19):
it's every opportunity I get to stop at a Bucky's, I stop
at a Bucky's.
There.
There's you, you have to be outof town.
'cause they're always spreadaround a little further outside
the civilized areas where theland is cheaper, obviously.
But yeah, it, it's, I I lovebringing people that are new to
Texas, out to qui.
He's oh yeah, and this is aTexas sized gas station for

(18:40):
y'all.

Yep.
So we have in the northeast, wehave Wawa, and people up here
really love Wawa.
And then when I take my friendsto Buc ee's, it's like Of a
world changer, like an Oodaloopin their brain.
It's just it's so hilarious.
Cause they can't fathom auniverse better than Wawa.
And then it is.

(19:02):
So it's yeah, it's reallyawesome.

Gene (19:04):
is like a a Walmart size gas station.

Yeah.

Gene (19:10):
It's, I mean, or certainly a target size targets.
I think are a little small inWalmarts, but it's like a target

with barbecue.

Gene (19:15):
destination.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Tons of barbecue options.
They've got roast.
They've, they've got tons ofbeef jerky available, all the
different varieties of drinkswith and without sugar.
You got your Mr.
Frosty knockoffs.
You've got all that stuff.
And then tons of differentproducts that you may have
forgotten on your drive towherever you're going.

(19:36):
And tons of things that younever knew you needed until you
walk into a Buc ee's as well.
So we are you still in Dallas oryet?

So I am home in New Jersey.
That's where I grew up.

Gene (19:47):
Okay.
I knew you grew up there, but Iwasn't sure that's where you're
currently living.

again, we're just here on vacation a little
bit visiting our parents becauseour parents never got to see our
kids because our first kid wasborn the first day that they
locked down the country.

Gene (20:02):
Oh, wow.

So yeah, we have a three, two and one year
old

Gene (20:06):
Well, I can see why now.

yeah.
Yep.
Had those COVID babies, youknow, there's nothing else to
do.

Gene (20:13):
exactly.

Hey, you are cute.

Gene (20:16):
Nothing wrong with that, man.
Nothing wrong with that.

Yeah, that's right, man.

Gene (20:20):
and then, so you're, you're there for how long or
when you, when are you comingback to your house?

Actually in a couple weeks, wait, our wife,
she just gave me the timer.
It's 13 days.
So

Gene (20:32):
Oh, wow.
Okay.

yeah, yeah, we'll be

Gene (20:35):
and then where's that?
Where's the house?

We'll be going to probably Killeen or East
Texas.
We'll be buying a new house.

Gene (20:42):
Oh, nice.
Okay.

Yeah.
So we'll see what happens.
We're trying, I'm trying to getout of out of the cities.
So we might go to

Gene (20:50):
good idea.

versus Killeen, which is Gatesville is
like a little bit like Fortyminutes north of it, but I
honestly really like East Texas.
They have a ton of like smalltowns that don't even basically
recognize Texas as theirauthority, which is hilarious.
Everyone thinks in the universeof Texas is the most free
plates.

(21:12):
And then there's people in outof Texas who are just like,
don't ever tell me what to do.
I'm from Texas.
So yeah, that's kind of awesome.
I really liked that.

Gene (21:21):
So I used to live in Frisco and you definitely get
tired of the flatness up inDallas.
I know I did and that, and youknow, being either East Texas
where you have a lot more biggertrees and just more of a
forested type environment orbeing further West in the Hill

(21:44):
Those are both good options tokind of break up the flat
monotony.
Of of DFW I would say alsoHouston for being close to the
water.
The problem is Houston has got ahundred percent humidity for
half the year.
That kind of takes it out ofconsideration,

Yeah, that and the crime too it's pretty it's
not as bad as other places,

Gene (22:04):
but there's different parts of Houston.
Yeah,

yeah, for sure we we, we don't want to be
anywhere near any cities.
That's like another part ofprepping that I think that gets
missed, is that people are,like, in cities that's the worst
place to ever be.

Gene (22:18):
Yeah.
Yeah, no, that's absolutelytrue.
I ideally, you want to besomewhere that's far enough
away.
That you're, you're able to getenough land to be sort of self
sufficient if you want to belike I, one of the guys I had on
the podcast last year is a buddyof mine named Tucker Max, who

(22:38):
has written a few books and thenended up selling his book
company and sort of kind ofdoing what you're doing, you
know, he's, he's being Mr.
Mom and home and he bought, orwell, they bought, I want to say
a 70 acres, 60 acres, somewherearound there.

(22:58):
And so he's, he's got a herd ofgoats.
He's got four cows.
I think they're all steer.
I think they're all for food.
I don't think they're doing anymilk cows.
It's got, you know, chickens andall of these critters basically

(23:18):
just.
Walk around and feed themselveslike he's not having to do
something special because he'sgot enough land to where all of
this is just sort of on thehobby slash autopilot, but also
you know, his freezers filledwith meat that he's butchered
himself or had a butcher comeout and help him,

Right.

Gene (23:38):
rather than buying it at the grocery store.
Same thing with plenty ofvegetables and.
And then also he's gotten intothe whole prepping thing quite a
bit as well.
So he's got the house outfittedwith infrared flashlights or,
you know, lamps on the house.
He's got night vision gogglesfor every member of the family.

(23:59):
So yeah, he's having fun withit.
And like I said, part of it, healso has a gun range that's 200
feet away from the house, whichis great.
I've gotten out there to sign insome of my guns and.

awesome.

Gene (24:11):
Yeah, it's, it's, that's definitely one of my eventual
goals is to get far enough outof the city and I, I've been
looking at land, but I, I'vebeen threatening to leave Austin
now for probably eight years.
So I haven't done it.

Honestly, bro, if you haven't done it at this
point,

Gene (24:29):
it's been a while.
I, you know, when I moved inhere, I figured I would stay in
Austin for about three to fouryears.
Because that's about how longI've stayed in every other place
I lived.
And that was 12 years ago.
So it's, it's been kind ofcrazy.
I watched Austin changeddramatically.
I watched it completely collapsewith what happened during COVID.

(24:52):
It's mostly back, but it's avery different city now because
the percentage of people thatwork for Apple, Google Oracle.
You know, you name it.
California company is really bighere.
The, I talked about this on theother podcast too.
One of the crazy, crazy thingsin Austin that you have that you

(25:15):
see if you've been here a while,like I have is a shift in
population to these sort of.
I don't want to use the termyuppie because it's, it's very
eighties term, but essentially20 something year old software
related people.
They're not even necessarilydevelopers, but they might do

(25:37):
something that's related tosoftware.
They're all in their twenties.
They're all making over 200grand a year.
They all own a Tesla.
None of them drive the Teslasbecause they take Ubers
everywhere they go.
And so they basically have aTesla that just parked in their
garage because all their friendshave a Tesla as well.
And in a lot of ways they'remaking substantially more than

(26:00):
people that are doing real jobs,but they're also, they're kind
of naive in an awful lot ofthings about life.

Right.
They're not contributing tosociety in a normal sense that
like normal human beings

Gene (26:15):
I wouldn't even go that far just to say things like they
have no clue how to change atire

Oh yeah.
So I think that that's, don'tyou think that's like sort of
generational though?

Gene (26:26):
Yeah, I think

Are our back in the day, our manuals for cars
used to teach you how to tuneyour engine.
now they tell you not to drinkthe oil, you know, so like it's

Gene (26:38):
exactly.

human beings are

Gene (26:40):
Yeah.
They, I remember when theystarted putting plastic covers
on car engines.
So you open up the hood.
And then you see this very nice,pretty looking plastic cover.
And I'm like, what the fuck isthat all about?
Why do you need a plastic cover?
You already opened the hood.
That means you're going to bedoing something to the engine.
Why would you cover the enginewith yet another cover?

(27:03):
And I think a lot of peopledon't know that that's a cover.
They think that's the engine.

That's your engine, right?
Right, right.
Yeah But also how many idiotsjust tried to fix their own car
while it was hot and just touchthat, you

Gene (27:16):
Oh yeah.
Yeah,

so yeah people

Gene (27:18):
as well, but you know, that's how you learn things back
in my day

No, I don't disagree with you.
But like now

Gene (27:25):
break a leg, you learn not to do it again.

Oh, now we have lawyers.
They're lurking

Gene (27:30):
Mm hmm.

at playgrounds and stuff like that.
It's a, it's really crazy.
I was, I was wondering for alittle while, why there weren't
new parks and playgrounds beingbuilt in a bunch of different
places.
And that's the reason because abunch of those places, I mean,
people will just sit

Gene (27:46):
Yeah.

and they don't want the liability at all.
So yeah, like the world is likebecoming a way easier place for
some people.
And at the same time, it'sbecoming very, very difficult
for others.
So I think, to keep with thetheme of prepping, I think that,
that preppers, they're, it'stough, because I'm one of these

(28:07):
people, so I obviously thinkthat I'm correct.
But I do think that they're,they tend towards being correct,
because the universe just tendstowards more and more craziness,
and nobody's putting any quirksback on to the bottle, you know
what I mean?

Gene (28:25):
Yeah, and I think that this is 1 of those areas where
the value of knowing how to dothings and doing things that may
be risky is going to becomeparent.
If there's some kind of negativething that happens.
And all of a sudden, you quicklyseparate the people that can
actually take care of themselvesfrom the people that don't know

(28:48):
what to do.
And it's, it's sad, but thereality is.
can't take care of those peopleyou have to let them die.

Oh, yeah.
It's definitely more triage.
You're just like, okay, well,and this is why I brought the
prepping into or

Gene (29:05):
Mm hmm.

conversation about the ice age and stuff into
it as well, because eventuallywe are creating the people who
are going to have to survive thenext ice age.
I do know that we're coming outof an ice age, but we're going,
the warming periods do not lastlong on this planet at all.
So yeah, I think that we, we arebuilding the people who have to

(29:26):
survive the next Ice Age.
So, I think that

Gene (29:29):
I think it'll be a while.
But yeah, I mean, I get

for sure, for sure, for sure.
Yeah.

Gene (29:34):
It's

yeah, it's That's

Gene (29:37):
I think it all starts.
Yeah, it all starts with dorelying less on.
Yeah.
others and relying more onyourself and things you can do.
And that's why.
You know, conversations like,well, do you have a couple of
hundred gallons of water athome?
And if you don't, why not?
And, and do you have a fewmonths worth of food supply at
home?
And then if you don't, why not?

(29:58):
A lot of these things are just aquestion of a little bit of
money.
I mean, you think about it,what's 100 gallons of water
cost?
About a hundred dollars if youwant super clean water and
basically a couple of dollars ifyou just pump the water right
out of your you know, out ofyour kitchen faucet,

Spega, yeah.

Gene (30:21):
it's, it's not going to cost much at all.
In fact, if your toilet leaksthe, like the, the.
The thing that closes up the thetoilet, you know, letting it
flush, which occasionally youneed to get replaced.
And a lot of people don't knowhow to replace those as either
those plugs, but if, if thatplug is leaking, you'll easily

(30:42):
see.
500 to a thousand gallons worthof wasted water in your water
bill.
It takes nothing at all.
Just a little just a drip fromyour kitchen faucet that is at
about this speed of drip, drip,drip.
That's about one gallon perhour.

Oh yeah.

Gene (31:01):
that tiny amount of water drops adds up over the course of
an hour.
So about one drip per second.
And that comes out to about agallon per hour.
So having a hundred or a fewhundred gallons of water is a
minimal amount of money.
And it guarantees you a certainpeace of mind that you certainly
don't have.
If you open up the fridge andyou see like a couple of six

(31:23):
packs of beer, some milk, nojuice and

Oh yeah.

Gene (31:28):
water.
And, and you're like, Oh shit,now what my water's, I can't
drink my water at home.
Or you, you know, then you goand do risky things like, well,
I'm going to filter or boil thisdirty water and then I'll have
something well.
Yeah, worst case scenario, ifyou have no options, that's what
you do, but you'd like to haveoptions, options are preferred.

And I think, honestly, about prepping you,
you're really just trying tosurvive the first three months.
Because after the first threemonths, the population is gonna
drop so far dramatically thatit's gonna basically reset the
goods.
Versus what person, like whatpeople need and what people can
use as usable land, I thinkit'll reset that so much that

(32:13):
people, there'll be lessviolence.

Gene (32:16):
Yeah, I think you're absolutely right.
Let me mention a book serieshere.
I don't know if you've read itor not, but I highly recommended
something that Ben got mestarted on with just a good old
boys, which is the going homeseries by a American.
A stands for angry and it's aseries of 12 books and it starts

(32:38):
off with a guy, very typicalkind of it working, you know,
mid forties kind of guy or latethirties, whatever he is driving
out to a client visit.
That's about 50, 60 miles awayfrom the house.
And then his engine dies andthen he quickly realizes that.

(33:00):
All the cars, engines diedstarts to piece together.
There was some kind of an EMPevent, whether it was a sunspot
related thing, or whether it wasa weapons or anything, don't
know.
But the bottom line is anythingthat relied on microchips no
longer works.
And so he has to make his wayback home.

(33:22):
That's what the first book isabout is basically him spending
over a week.
And walking back the 50 or 60miles that he only took about an
hour.
To drive away from his house inthe first few pages of the book.
Because obviously it's wayslower when you're walking, when
no one has technology, and thenas he encounters a lot of the

(33:47):
people and their reactions andtheir level of preparedness and
what you find, and I think thisis statistically true, is that
the vast majority of people arenot prepared to survive even
three days, far be it.
A couple of weeks or severalmonths, so people will literally

(34:09):
be out of food, out of water,out of heat, out of clothes, out
of everything within a matter ofseveral days because they're so
used to a just in time society.

Yeah.
The vast majority of people,like from things that I've read
will die within the first twoweeks.
And then some people who havewe're like the big gangsters or
people who may be bondedtogether with other people who
are a little bit more prepared,they will survive.
And then after a couple ofmonths, those factions will
start to either fight each otherfor resources or someone will

(34:45):
take control.
And then that's when you startto see peace.

Gene (34:49):
Have you read this book?
It sure sounds like it.

I have not, I've just read a bunch of things
like it.
It's hilarious.

Gene (34:56):
need to pick it up.
It's all fiction, obviously, butit's, it's well done, well
written.
And I'm actually reading seriesfrom the same guy.
So the first series deals withthe guy that, you know, is
making his way home and he livedup in the burbs kind of away
from the city.
And then the second series ofbooks deals with people that

(35:16):
were in the city.
I think it's in Orlando and it'sway worse for people in the
city.
There's no, no two ways aboutit.
But,

Lawlessness, and I saw this because I have
friends and family members whowere in Katrina at the same
time, and as soon as the leveesbroke, and no one knew what was
going on, I think the mayor wasfighting with the president at
that time police officers wereraiding people's houses to get
food.
They were just literallystealing people's stuff.

Gene (35:46):
they were the ones whose guns of course.

Right, right, right.
So, it's, it's, That was only,what, four days?
Five days?
That like the audit to devolveinto like madness and

Gene (35:58):
Yeah.
I think the first day everybodytries to help the second day, a
lot of people are only helpingthemselves.
And by the third day, peoplestart attacking others.

oh yeah, for sure.
Cause it's I know how manyrations I have left.
I'm starting to look at youvery, very differently.
See, that's another thing.
Like it's, it's more gearedtowards like my, my level of, I
want to prep is geared towardshow many catastrophes are out
there.
Even like you just mentioned,solar flare or EMP blast could.

(36:32):
Hit us pretty hard.
I mean, like China could launchan EMP blast at us and take
Taiwan and like,

Gene (36:39):
China had a balloon float above us for a week and we
couldn't do anything about it.

Oh, yeah.
So another thing about that is Ithink that's interesting that I
know about Ray Dalio is when hewas looking to make oil
investments, he pulled the datafrom the satellites to see how
full the containers were

Gene (36:59):
Mm

to make his offer on how much the oil market
was worth at that time.
There are so many differentthings and information
standpoints that they could havecollected from us.
It's unreal.
Like they, it's like, why?
The only reason is thatobviously Biden's corrupted by
them.
But any president who's worthhis salt, who wants to actually

(37:24):
help America, there's no waythey would have just shot that
thing down immediately.

Gene (37:28):
hmm.
Mm

But yeah, it's we live in such a strange,
strange world and I, I do thinkthat with even with the national
divorce that we are reallybarreling down the hill towards
that will cause its own civilunrest.
And are people prepared forthat?
Are people in, in their owncommunities?

(37:50):
Are they, like you said, gettinga hundred gallons of water?
Are they're getting foodrations?
Another thing that you can haveis like during collapses that
doesn't work.
Months and months down the line,but like during the collapse
money starts to hyper inflate

Gene (38:06):
hmm.
Mm

you have small bills, it's really really
helpful ones fives So that wayyou're not overpaying for
everything like people will havetwenty dollar bills or hundred
dollar bills well, if you'reonly if that guy only has a
gallon or a hundred gallons ofwater, you're trading a lot of
money for a very little bit ofthings.
So just little small things thatpeople can do, having gold on
their hands because after thepaper money is gonna get burnt,

(38:30):
you're gonna need smalldivisional gold pieces to hand
out to people

Gene (38:35):
Yeah, I'm not, I'm not a fan of gold.
I'll tell you that right awaybecause if you're sitting there
in Katrina and your house isflooded up to the knees and your
basement is completely floodedand you know, you have an
upstairs freezer or somethingthat still is cool enough that
it's kept food in there.
Somebody said, I'll give youI'll give you this this 500

(38:55):
piece of gold for that.
Well, you don't know whattomorrow is going to be like
you're not likely to makejewelry or rare materials.
For something that isimmediately useful.
So I've always told people themost valuable metal that you're
going to see during acatastrophe is lead.

(39:16):
If you want to trade ammo,everyone will happily trade
ammo.
You want to trade gold for ammo?
I'm going to charge you equalweight.
I'll give you the same weight oflead as you give me of gold.
That's that's my trade during acatastrophe.

Yeah, no, no, no, that's it's definitely
something else good to have forsure Bullets will trade like
dollars as they used to I meanlike in back in the old western
times bullets traded likedollars

Gene (39:41):
Yeah,

like whatever you can barter with I I

Gene (39:44):
exactly.

I tend to think about it a little bit
differently, because I don'tthink that society will sustain
itself in those dark times.
I do think that keeping thatgold, as long as you can sustain
it, and you definitely are goingto be hyper inflating all the
food that you're giving out forthat gold, obviously.
But yeah, I think that

Gene (40:03):
I think if you want to have gold just to have something
after the three months, I'm okaywith that.
I just don't think gold is goingto be a useful trait because
gold is literally the oppositeof what we just said about small
bills.
Because if you want to, if youwant to get a gallon of
gasoline, let's say, orsomething, something that's a

(40:25):
commodity, something that youjust need in order to consume it
and you don't have a 20 bill,but you do have 100.
No one's giving you a changeback for the a hundred.
It's going to cost you a hundredto get that.
Same thing with the gold.
No one's going to give youchange back for trading gold.
It's Oh, all you got is this,this you know, gold 500 piece.
What used to be worth 500 bucks.
All right.

(40:45):
That's, that's how much it'sgoing to be either that or a
hundred dollar bill or 20 bill.
Your choice.

right?
They do

Gene (40:52):
it's all going to be above the same value.

Right now, I agree with you to a certain
extent.
They do have small likedivisional pieces.
So like I can break off 10pieces of gold.
So like they're like, likelittle, not flaky, but like they
are mendable enough that you canbreak them out.
So like the market is kind ofsolving that problem by itself.
But I do agree with you that youare, if it's gold, both your.

(41:18):
Betting that you're going tosurvive the worst of it and keep
your food and all the rest ofthe stuff, be able to protect
all that stuff with

Gene (41:26):
Cause you're, you're never going to get.
Even in best case scenario,you're never going to get the
gold conversion that you willhave to pay to buy it right now.
What's the gold at right now?
I don't even know.

Oh my gosh, it's insane.
It's 2, 000 or something.
Yeah, a little

Gene (41:44):
2, 000 an ounce.
I remember when it was 400 anounce.
So 2, 000 an ounce, you buyright now at 2, 000 an ounce.
If something happens where youhave to use gold for trade, no
one in their right mind is goingto give you any more than about
200 an ounce.
It just makes no sense becausegold, you can't do anything with
that gold.

(42:04):
It's other than use it forjewelry.
You know, it's there's no setgovernment body to set the, the
rate of exchange for it.
It's going to be a completebuyer's market.
Well, if you want to buy my shitnow,

for some, yeah, for some time.
I definitely agree with

Gene (42:21):
a 50 pack of ammo, a lot more than I can use 500 bucks
worth of gold.

Yeah, I agree.
There are definitely things thatare going to be worth more.
And even like I said, like withthe paper money, like having
small denominations, like I have20, 000 in ones.
There's

Gene (42:37):
a lot of ones, man.
That's

good, there's a really good chance that I'm
going to be burning a lot ofthat, like a really good chance.
But also, to have it is I mean,to not have it to me is I panic.

Gene (42:49):
I'm right there with you as far as I think for any kind
of event that happens, cash iswhat you live on for the first
week because everyone will stilltake cash in lieu of purely
barter after a

because they think it's going to bounce back.

Gene (43:06):
Yeah, yeah, exactly

We know different, but

Gene (43:10):
cash.
But so what I always tell peopleis, you know, you're think about
a scenario where you don't haveelectricity for a week.
So everything that you get forthat week including, you know,
maybe buying a generator becauseyou forgot to do it before
you're going to have to do withcash.

(43:32):
So that should be the minimumamount of cash.
Times two that you keep at homein a safe at all times.
That's your bare minimum.
That doesn't include things likegetting, you know, laid off from
work or some non catastropheevent.
This is purely for catastrophes.
In general, I recommend thatpeople keep three months worth

(43:52):
of cash on hand, like not forthis type of emergency, but more
for financial emergencies.

Yeah, I recommend six, but

Gene (44:02):
if, well, that's, I mean, good, because you're probably
more right.
But I, but I say at least three,most people don't even keep a
month's worth of cash on hand,

Oh, yeah, I mean, most people can't afford a
500 emergency, you know,

Gene (44:14):
right?

it's really rough.
It's really rough.
The world is really rough.
I try not to think about it.

Gene (44:19):
It is.
It's bad.
So yeah, six months.
I mean, that's, that's obviouslyeven better.
And then keep in mind that ifyou've got relatives or other,
or close friends that you'regoing to end up having around
you during that emergency,you're going to want to probably
live together or at least closeby.

(44:39):
You're going to want to makesure that your plans are
coordinated as to who's doingwhat, who's keeping watch and
who's making dinner.
All

So who is, so like to me, like my family
aren't preppers, like they're abunch of Democrats.
I honestly I honestly, I'm justlike, they're triage as well.
Like they are, they are probablynot going to survive the
culling, you know?
So I just kind of think should Ibe, or how many people can I

(45:11):
make friends with who are alsopreppers?
Like you, you just said thatlike you have run several like
prepping companies, I definitelywant to get into that pretty
soon.
But yeah, like I I'm, I'm moreinterested in.
Becoming friends with those typeof people because they, I tend
to think that they're right andthey're, I'm going to have a
much better community with themthat I will try to teach my

(45:35):
brother how to shoot a gun andmy mom, how to do anything

Gene (45:40):
it's sad, but it is reality.
And I, I agree with that ahundred percent is that you
know, the difference betweenyour family and friends is that
friends are people that actuallywant something to do with you.
Family are people that have todo something with you.
So, yeah, you want the best foryour family, obviously, but you
also can't just take care ofthem in spite of themselves.

(46:03):
And, and so, yeah, so I, Itotally agree.
I think you just make morefriends over time that share
your values that share yourbeliefs and odds are, especially
if you move out.
A little bit out of town out tomore of the country and I'd say
kind of that borderline isprobably around 60 to 70 miles

(46:25):
outside of a city is where youreally start seeing a difference
in mentality between people thatare city people and people that
are country people or countriesas they would call themselves.

That's right.

Gene (46:37):
and it's, yeah, I, I, I definitely want to do that.
I'd like to do that.
I've, I enjoy living close tothe city.
I'm just You know, south ofdowntown and Austin.
So everything's really closenearby and when there's no
issues or problems that makesfor a nice life, but also

(46:58):
realistically that is going tomake for a horrible place to be
when shit hits the fan.
And so it's important to mycurrent plan is basically I've
got everything.
In crates and boxes, and it's amatter of loading up my car and
heading down the road, butideally, I want to be in a place

(47:21):
where I don't have to do that.
Right.
Where I can just hunker down andstay in a place without having
to go to 1 of my friends places.
So I, I think that's a.
That the better situation, ifyou can manage it, but whether
you can manage it or not, youalways want to have more options
because, you know, like I hadpower out for five days

(47:44):
straight.
I had friends that live 20 milesaway that never lost power.
it's kind of like, well, shit,that's not fair.
So you, you always want to haveoptions and know enough people
to where, rather than trying togo at it alone or go at trying
to survive.

(48:04):
I've.
Shit hits the fan scenario whereyou're in the middle of the
worst of it.
If you have people, you know,that didn't get hit or didn't
get hit as hard.
That always is your best optionis can you just, even if
temporarily just scooch overtheir way and then make your way
back as needed or, you know,it's at some point, your, your

(48:30):
main prime directive in yourhead switches to survival mode
rather than existence mode.
Like my existence includes allthe shit that I have, all my
stuff, all my fun toys, all myvideo games.
You know, all this stuff is partof my existence, but a lot of it
disappears when I'm thinking insurvival mode.

(48:51):
Mm-Hmm.

I don't know.
Yeah, I totally agree with you.
I think like for me, that's whatI'm learning about.
Like now, like what to keep inmy bug out bag how many of them
I should keep my truck bag, justlike learning how to do CQB when
I go home, both solo and with mywife, how to protect our kids
we're going to be getting dogsand stuff when we get home, like

(49:15):
a Connie Corso and a Germanshepherd So yeah, just two dogs,
cause we have, I mean, we'regonna have four kids, so

Gene (49:22):
Mm-Hmm?

it's enormously dangerous for me to
be the only man and protectiveforce, so yeah

Gene (49:30):
going, man.

yeah, I got, I have a son, but he's two, and

Gene (49:35):
Oh, well, you know,

I got him

Gene (49:37):
nothing happens until he's about 12.

Exactly.
I got him shooting Nerf

Gene (49:42):
Oh dude, I had, slightly off topic, but the kids thing
remind me.
So I went to my cardiologistrecently and I haven't been for
a while.
I don't, I don't not have anyissues or anything, but you
know, I'm at that age where Ishould be seeing him on a
regular basis.
And he walks into the roombefore he asked me like how I'm
doing or, you know, anythingwrong.
He just gets into talking abouthis guns.

(50:06):
And over like 20 minutes, we'rejust sitting there talking about
guns and he's all proud of thefact that he he got his nine
year old son.
He bought him a BB gun to gethim started in learning how to
shoot.
You know, hopefully a couple ofyears later, he'll be able to
get a 22 rifle and actuallyshoot.
And I, I hope more people arehaving this experience.

(50:27):
Then just me, but I think it issomewhat unusual still that
you're, you have doctors thatare very gun friendly might
happen to be, but it's it's oneof those things that, you know,
you'd never know who you mayencounter who shares your
beliefs and it's important tomake those connections when
nothing's going on, whennothing's

Oh, I agree with you a hundred percent.
Yeah, that's I wish that ourcommunity, I'll say three things
about this.
I wish that our community onTwitter was better about that.
About getting into smallergroups and like really vetting
people out like specificallyobviously We just had a couple
people come across our feed whodefinitely were not who they say

(51:09):
they were which is like reallyfunny because people make fun of
jordan peterson for not wantingpeople to be anonymous online
and They all got angry at thatbut then got duped by those
people who was like Well, thatperson presented themselves as
what they weren't.
So, yeah but yeah, doing that upfront right now, and I always

(51:31):
tell people my, my call sign'sgonna be my name, so you guys
are gonna have to nut up alittle bit.

Gene (51:37):
That's great.

But I also I read this story once about a 13
year old, and this was like backin like the Wild Wild West days,
a couple bandits came, stole twoof his sisters, and just rode
off, and then the 13 year oldboy, the father's off at work,
13 year old boy just gets on hishorse, follows them, seven days

(51:59):
later he comes back, With histwo sisters.
He rode off with a rifle, cameback with his two sisters, and
it's that level of ruggedindividualism is what we're
going to definitely need in thenext generation, for sure.

Gene (52:13):
Oh yeah.
Yeah.
Well, you,

matter what happens.
No matter what cataclysmhappens.

Gene (52:17):
Yeah, exactly.
You've heard the adage.
I can't remember who coined it.
I'm horrible with names, butit's was it bad times create
strong men,

Oh yes, yes, yes.

Gene (52:27):
strong men create good times, good times, create weak
men, weak men, create bad

Hard times.

Gene (52:34):
hard times.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But it's yeah, I'm sure Ibutchered it, but the idea I
think is kind of true becauseyou're going through.
Essentially a flip flopping or apendulum effect on people's
priorities and their, theircommitments between

(52:54):
individualism and thecollectivism.
And a a friend of mine wrote abook about this a number of
years back, I think 15 years agonow called Pendulum.
And it details historicallylooking back at that both North
America and, but also Europe andthe history thereof as seeing a

(53:16):
pattern of the pendulum swingbetween these two opposing
forces.
So in that book, the peak ofindividualism was 1983.
That's the last peak that ithit.
And so after 83 for the rest ofthe eighties, nineties, two

(53:37):
thousands, the pendulum wasswinging in the opposite
direction toward collectivism,and it's a 40 year cycle, which
means we hit peak collectivismlast year in 2023.
And right now we are in thefirst year of the pendulum
swinging back in a 40 year arc.
So we're about two and a halfpercent into being less.

(54:02):
Collectivist than we were lastyear right now.
So it's barely noticeable, butwe've made the change in heading
in the opposite direction.
So we'll see if this patterncontinues.

I'm going to definitely read that book,

Gene (54:16):
yeah, you should.
So Roy Williams is the author ofthe book.
Roy Williams he actually wrotethe forward to one of my books.
He is a multi New York timesbestselling author.
And a very, very intelligentguy.
But he.
He did that book with anotherguy that I know, but Roy's the
guy that I know really well.

(54:37):
And you know, they kind of didit because they noticed the
pattern and they weren't reallytrying to even so much predict
things as just seeing, Hey, thisis what's happened in the past.
So it probably will happen, butit's amazing how things kept
getting pushed further andfurther towards collectivism.
All the way through last year.
I was like, well, that's reallyfollowing the book.

(54:59):
Well, so I guess we start makingthe change back, which I hope we
are right now.
It's hard to tell.
We

Fingers, fingers crossed.
So I think, I think that for me,it's I look at it also, I do
think that that is correct, butI look at it as like masculine
versus feminine energy.
And so like we are thegeneration.

Gene (55:20):
the same thing.

Right.
No, I definitely agree with youfor sure.
But like my timeline is a littlebit different.
That's why I like because Ithink that the men who are
potentially different because Ithink that the men who came back
from World War Two were alltaught by not only harder men,
but they were put through bootcamp.
So they were taught by thehardest of men and trying to be

(55:46):
the hardest of men.
And so when they came home, Irecognize a lot of the
generation that they gave birthto the boomers, they started to
reject those, the love and willof their father and started to
move towards the mom's feminineenergy.
Because they thought that thediscipline from my father was

(56:07):
way too much.
Yeah.
So I think that that's that'swhat I see, but like also this
pendulum.
So that's why I want to look, Idefinitely want to read this
book because

Gene (56:16):
Yeah,

awesome.

Gene (56:18):
it is pretty good.
Now when are you going to beback in in Texas?
In,

I have a bunch of podcasts that I'm going to be
going on and meeting a couple ofpeople on the, in the Twitter
sphere, but we probably aregoing to take our time and.
We're doing two trips.
So the first time we get there,we'll be in about three weeks.

Gene (56:44):
okay.

Yeah.
And then we're going to come,come

Gene (56:48):
Yeah, and then

back and then go for, go

Gene (56:50):
I'm just trying to think I need to look up I'll send you
the info, but he's doing a classon that book this year.
I don't don't remember when.
So I need to check when thatclasses and then let you know,
because that might be a fun wayfor you to come down here as
well.
And we could meet up and even dothe class together, but

That would be

Gene (57:11):
a.
It's, it's, Roy is a very cooldude.
I got to know him by takingclasses from him.
I went to, so he, he is the guywho started the wizard Academy
and the wizard Academy is aprivate training facility for

(57:32):
really marketing and businessstuff and and his, like his
favorite, his most famous bookis called the wizard of ads.
So he's kind of had the wizardthing going for a while,

Right.

Gene (57:45):
but also the wizard academy is a really fucking cool
place.
It is a castle in the up in thehills of Austin and it looks
very magical.
And it's, it's just so I went toone of his classes.
This is back a decade ago calledmagical worlds.
And while at that class, I likedthe class so much that I

(58:10):
literally signed up for everyother class that they offered
that same day.
And I ended up going there forabout Oh, it's probably almost
two years where I was there likea couple of times a month
because they typically will runa class every other week.

Okay.

Gene (58:29):
really got to know everybody really well there
including Roy and got to reallyappreciate, you know, his, both
his sense of humor and hisintelligence.
And this guy is a veryinteresting character.
He has been extremely successfulover the years as a marketing
guy.
And he loves collecting art.

(58:52):
So the whole place is filledwith really cool art.
He has the biggest collection ofDon Quixote art in the

Oh, wow.

Gene (59:01):
And the, the Don Quixote or no, the Cervantes society
Cervantes is the the author ofDon Quixote, they actually meet
for their.
International meetings at thewizard academy.

Oh, okay.

Gene (59:17):
So I'll send you

looked him up.
I just, I just yeah, that's,that's pretty cool.
I I went to school formarketing.
So that's like this stuff is Iusually ignore all marketing
stuff because I've gone toschool for marketing and like
all a bunch of businesses, butlike I always like to see what
like how different people viewdifferent things.
So I'll definitely check

Gene (59:37):
Yeah.
Well, he, he is a very much acontrarian in everything he
teaches and does.
So it almost everything startswith, if, if a bunch of people
are doing it, here's why you'renot going to do it this way.
Cause that's wrong.

Yeah, I 100 percent agree

Gene (59:54):
And then it goes a totally different route.
And I know this is starting tosound like an ad for Wizard
Academy and for Roy.
It's, I wish I was getting paidfor it, I'm not.
But you know, something that Roydoesn't really mention a whole
lot.
But Roy's advertising isresponsible for roughly one
third of the jewelry purchasesin the United States.

Ni**arificEnergy (01:00:15):
Boy, advertising.
Wait, how is that possible?
Say that again?

Gene (01:00:20):
He does the ads for jewelry.
So roughly, roughly one third ofall the jewelry sold in the
United States is purchased bypeople that have heard his ad.
Yeah, and it's it's crazy, crazylevels of holy shit.
But you know, he's also.
He's the kind of guy that wearsyou know, jeans a white shirt

(01:00:42):
and drives a pickup truck andand then he might have a million
dollar painting in his kitchen.

Right.
That's pretty cool.

Gene (01:00:51):
Yeah,

Now, how has that helped you do you use that
to start the businesses that yousaid that you, you run?

Gene (01:00:59):
no, I, that's the irony of it is I've never really done
marketing.
I'm, I, I probably know way moreabout marketing than most people
as a result of doing this.
But I don't do marketingprofessionally, so I've always
done business operations.
So I'm, I'm a process guy.
And you know, the other side ofthe business other than sales

(01:01:21):
and marketing.
But I just really liked thecontent because a lot of content
is, I almost say it's tangentialto marketing, but it's really
just fricking interesting.
You know, with a class likemagical worlds, it just looks at
the way that humans perceivethings.

Oh, yeah.

Gene (01:01:43):
Then he's got another class called portals of the
mind.
He's got another one that is DaVinci and the 40 questions or 40
answers.
They're all very interestingclasses that you could argue
have more to do with just humanpsychology than they do with
sales or marketing.
But officially the, the schoolis a school of marketing.

Yeah.
So my marketing directorbasically told me that, he said,
this is psychology, but inpractice.
So this is these people arelooking at the world and you
have to look at the world insuch a way that what, what will
get the outcome that you want?
And what.
Buttons can be pressed.
He would always use the phraseverbal jujitsu.

(01:02:30):
So if you're negotiating withsomeone, you're just doing
verbal jujitsu with them inorder to get them into doing or
saying whatever you want them todo.
Different people have differentthings and ways that they
accomplish that.
But for the most part, and thisis why I don't watch a lot of
marketing people, for the mostpart, it's a lot of the same
things.
Andy Elliott is really good atconvincing people to say yes.

(01:02:53):
But the thing that he's doing issomething that I learned a
decade ago.
But he built a 200 millionbusiness on it.
And I didn't do that.
So, whatever.
But, yeah just getting people tosay yes a bunch of times.
So a bunch of small thingsprimes them to say yes to the
big thing.

(01:03:14):
So as long as you can keepmoving things in a certain way
you don't, you rarely ever seeknockouts in the first 10
seconds of an MMA fight.
It's because people have to workthrough, and it's really just,
especially if the guys are veryclose, it's really about who
makes the mistake first whenthey get tired.
Because they're basically goingto fight.

(01:03:35):
Perfect when they're not tired,

Gene (01:03:38):
exactly.
And so a very good way oflooking at it is it's, it's just
mistake avoidance.
And that is literally what Iteach people that I work with
that are CEOs and businessfounders is I, you know, I say
that there's nothing magic in,in what I'm going to tell you
and what we're going to do.
All I'm really doing is.

(01:03:59):
Helping you avoid mistakes thatyou likely would have made
without me.

right?
Yeah.
Be flood avoided.

Gene (01:04:06):
just by avoiding mistakes.
You can be infinitely moresuccessful than other people.
Because you're not wastingenergy, getting back out of
those mistakes.
You could just avoid the mistakeand keep going forward.

Yeah.
Yeah.
I totally agree.
It's that you said that they'rein like prepping stuff like, or
like what is, or what are likesome of the products are you
allowed to say or no?

Gene (01:04:28):
So, oh, you mean the companies that I've, so I ran a
company, this would have beenback, I guess, uh, four years
though, four, yeah, four to fiveyears ago, I came in to do a
rework basically on the businessand then ran it for while I was
doing the rework.
And it was called survival life.
I don't know if you rememberthem.

(01:04:49):
They were the biggest mail ordercompany of prepping supplies for
a while.

Okay.
Wow.

Gene (01:04:55):
and yeah, and then I, I've got my own set of products on
the Amazon that are not sellingparticularly well.
So definitely have some issuesin that for some other prepping
stuff, we're going to beprobably retooling the whole
idea of how we, how we can goabout selling and marketing that
stuff.
But it, it's a.

(01:05:15):
In the end, all you're trying todo is take products that other
people would be interested inbuying if they're interested in
this topic and just helping themget to that buy decision faster.
Because they're like, they, theyshould be happy with them
because if they weren't lookingfor these to begin with, then I
don't want to sell to them.

(01:05:36):
I want to sell to people thatneed what it is that I'm, that
I'm selling.
And all I'm trying to do isshort circuit that connection to
happen quicker.
That's all.

Okay.
I gotcha.

Gene (01:05:48):
Where a lot of people just want to sell to anybody.
And maybe it also, this is whyI've been less successful as far
as selling products myself,because I don't, I don't want to
sell.
I only want to sell to peoplethat want.
To get the stuff that are sortof ready for it.
The, and it's the same thingthat I do with whether it was in

(01:06:11):
the Fediverse or on Twitter or Xis I, I never meet people.
I either don't do anything orblock them because if.
If there's somebody that is onthe opposite side of something
that I'm trying to achieve and Idon't care if it's politics or

(01:06:31):
it's, you know, business successfor something else, if like
they're actively working againstwhat I'm working for, I don't
want them to have access to whatit is that I'm putting out there
that I'm creating.
And that goes for products aswell as language as well as
speech.
I have no interest in supportingpeople that are working against
me.
This is why I don't shop attarget.

(01:06:53):
I don't have Disney.
I don't have Netflix.
I don't buy Goodyear tires.
These are all businesses thathave demonstrated that they are
actively supporting things thatare contrary to what I consider
to be good and just in theworld, and so I will not put any
money into these businesses.

Okay, so I have a question for you just to
challenge that theory just alittle bit right so youtube it
costs youtube and youtube Makesalmost no money off of this kind
of stuff because they're justburning through servers and
stuff So one of the reasons whylike I have not made the total
switch to rumble is because Idon't pay Youtube for anything

(01:07:34):
so i'm honestly a drain onyoutube but like People would
say that Oh, well, you're stillwatching YouTube.
You're putting yourself intothat universe where you're just
trapped and you're supportingthem.
But really I'm just costing themmore money in my opinion.
But what do you think?

Gene (01:07:51):
no, I agree.
I'm, I mean, I'm worse than youare in that aspect because I
actually pay YouTube every monthto not have ads.

Oh,

Gene (01:07:58):
So they are making money off of me and but here's the
thing.
I think YouTube is run by abunch of, you know, borderline
socialist assholes.
However and I, I incidentallywill be super happy to
completely jump off YouTube whenthe time is right.
However, I think that betweenrumble and other alternatives.

(01:08:22):
YouTube has had such a longamount of time to get ahead that
the alternatives are still quitea ways from catching up.
With YouTube.
Now, if YouTube does somethingcompletely egregious, I will
stop spending money and watchingit immediately.
But right now, for as much asYouTube has done to de platform

(01:08:46):
people and to do things that Idon't agree with, they also
still carry a ton of contentthat I like.
And that I agree with and peoplethat I, I, I'm happy to support
are also making revenue off ofYouTube advertising as well.
You know, there's a lot of thereare a lot of things that I enjoy

(01:09:08):
that have nothing to do withpolitics animal videos, right?
I like big cats.
I watched a number of YouTubechannels of people that own.
Pumas or tigers or whatever, big

And you're, you and I are like the same
person.
This is hilarious.
Yeah, I totally agree with you.
I totally agree with you.
Like

Gene (01:09:27):
And, and there, there are people that have gotten a very
sizable amount of money forhaving nonpolitical stuff on
YouTube.
And I, I hate the idea of thembeing penalized because of the
other stuff that YouTube isdoing.
And I will.
Carry on with those people ifand when they leave YouTube, but

(01:09:47):
I'm also going to continue towatch them while they are in on
YouTube, but that's also verylike YouTube hasn't pulled a
Netflix that I've seen like theyhaven't switched and completely
started ruining all content bydoing, as Cartman says.
But a gay chicken it, you know,like they haven't done that

(01:10:10):
because they're not in thebusiness of creating shows.
They're just in the business ofreally, I mean, kind of policing
what everybody else is creatingand putting together, which they
should do less of in my opinion,but they're not really creating
it.
Whereas Netflix is activelyspending money to create things.
That are bad for people bad forchildren the, for me, it was

(01:10:37):
when, when they had that, thatshow that was made in, I think,
France about the twerkingpreteens was it called cuties, I
think.

Yes.

Gene (01:10:49):
And it's really, you're going to, you're going to be
promoting full on pedophilia on,on Netflix.
Fuck this.
And I, I was a customer ofNetflix from the first year they
were around.
I was getting DVDs sent to me inthe mail.
And it was the coolest thing.
I mean, it was like sorevolutionary to be able to rent
movies through the mail.

(01:11:10):
And yeah, that was it.
That was the straw that broughtthe camel's

The part of me, the part of me that worked
at Blockbuster just slidethrough your middle finger.
I don't know if you caught it ornot, but but yeah, I, I agree
with you.
Like Netflix has basically, theyfired a lot of their traditional
storytellers.
They have they've really sort ofruined

Gene (01:11:35):
Well, what happened is they

everything that they touched.

Gene (01:11:38):
create things that they know sell well, and they started
creating things that had thepolitical messaging that they
wanted.
And they didn't care about theircustomers anymore.
They started focusing on justbeing a, well, I mean, let's be
honest, being a full on.
Propaganda wing, because that'swhat propaganda is.

(01:11:59):
It is targeted focus messagingto sell a particular point of
view.
That's literally what it's beenfor the last hundred years.
And then really propaganda onlybecame defined as a thing about
a hundred years ago, and itpopped out here in the U S and
then it got popularized in earlyon in the Soviet Union and then

(01:12:20):
in Nazi Germany as well, but itstarted in the U S.
And it, it certainly.
Was what, what propelled a lotof the U S messaging.
It was Edward Bernays and hishis push of creating this, this
messaging content that sold aparticular point of view.
That viewpoint could be, youshould buy Lucky Strike

(01:12:44):
cigarettes, or it could be youknow, Joe Biden is the greatest
president that's ever beenbecause he's managed to keep
this country inflation free andout of wars.
And really focused on ensuringthe border has been great.
That's propaganda.
It's, it's selling something.
It doesn't have to be political.

(01:13:06):
But it certainly could bepolitical.

Yeah, no, I definitely agree.
There, there has to be adistinction made, and I don't, I
agree with you that I don'tthink that YouTube has crossed
the line in that particularspot.
I do not like how much theyeither demonetize or flat out
deleted videos of the COVID 19stuff.
Everything has like a tag on itand like,

Gene (01:13:32):
Mm hmm.

it that's really tough for me at the time.
My wife was like working andstuff.
So we were in Dallas and it gotto the point where what you saw
it took Ken Paxton joining alawsuit with, I think it was
Tennessee or Florida.
In order to stop OSHA from frommaking it mandated for

(01:13:54):
everybody.
So my wife worked at Starbucksat the time and she was
pregnant.
And at the time, like theoutward data was that if you're
pregnant and you take the Vax,it is a, not a foregone
conclusion, but it is very, veryrisky that you, and very high
potential that you would losethat baby.
So it was like, it was reallyhelpful at that time to be in

(01:14:17):
the right place and at the righttime.
But I also just think thatYouTube definitely lost me
there.
For,

Gene (01:14:23):
Oh, yeah,

yeah, they just are not free speech.

Gene (01:14:27):
it's, it's because it's Google.
I mean, let's be realistic.
You that, that existed preGoogle was a, you know, it was
the open wild West or the openocean pirate scene.
You know, it was like,everything goes, nothing's
moderated, nothing's restricted.
If anything, I probably wouldhave had more complaints of the

(01:14:49):
stuff that was available to beviewed on YouTube back then,
back in the day, you know, therewas, there was definitely quite
a bit of pornographic stuff.
There was,

Oh, yeah,

Gene (01:14:59):
enough content pretty readily available and once
Google bought them obviouslythey started cleaning things up,
but.
Like in a lot of largecorporations these days, and I
think this is maybe where thependulum swing has a lot to do
with it.
There was a strong push to gobeyond just cleaning up, but
into appropriate content,favored content, content that we

(01:15:24):
want everybody.
To have to see whether they wantto or not.
And I agree with you on theCOVID stuff when those little,
little messages underneath thevideo started popping up that
says, you know, the, the WorldHealth Organization has
determined bloody, bloody, blah.
It's well, why are you showingme that?
I don't give a shit about the,the World Health Organization.
I, I, I know how corrupt theyare.

(01:15:46):
Why would I give a shit aboutwhat their opinion is?
I'm trying to watch a video byan actual.
Doctor,

Yes.

Gene (01:15:53):
I don't need a warning about some bureaucrats opinion
of, of some topic and that'swhere they screwed up.
But so did Facebook.
So did Twitter.
So did everybody else.

yeah, for sure.
And I know this because I dothis for my kids for to a very
large degree, you can't get atwo and three year old to
multiply and divide withoutdoing extraordinary things.
But I curate everything for mykids.
Yes.
For my kids and like the thingthat I didn't like is that like
I could see exactly how YouTubewas curating information for the

(01:16:29):
audience, you know, and that's areally really big thing like you
said propaganda, which isbasically the same thing as
curating it for for people but Ithink that the left is far
better at that particular thing.
And reaching their people withtheir message at that, that it
actually is very dangerous.

(01:16:49):
Right.

Gene (01:16:52):
Well, and it makes sense that the left would be better
because the left really idealsare built on collectivism and
it's, it's one of the keydistinctions between the left
and the right is thecollectivism on the left and
individualism on the right.
And you know, I, I certainlyprefer the libertarian

(01:17:13):
quadrants, so where you have atwo dimensional chart instead of
just left and right.
But if you have to shrink itdown to just the left and right
issue I think that that's a gooddistinguishing feature is that
the left is worried about thegroup.
The right is worried about theindividual.

It doesn't seem that way on the surface.
Like I grew up as like a innercity Democrat and like what it
seems like on the surface that Itry to keep reminding people of
is that it seems like Democratsare trying to help the average
person,

Gene (01:17:50):
Mm hmm.

these people are convinced by Oh, well, they
signed this bill or they evokethis action or something, they
never look at the actual resultsof those things.
And it's it's, it's mindboggling like Democrats have
been in control of Chicago forover 140 years.

Gene (01:18:13):
Yeah.
Yeah.

You would, you would think that it's, and have
had several black mayors,several black police chiefs.
A ton of black officers.
So like, why is it not gettingfixed?
And it's because the people liveunder a delusion.
It's almost like a genjutsu thatthese people are under, to quote
a Naruto thing.
I don't know if you watch anime.

Gene (01:18:36):
Occasionally.
Occasionally.

people will get the, get the reference.
But it's like the they they'rejust blinded by I need this
thing.
And then a snake oil salesmanwill just simply tell them that
if you vote for me, I will giveyou that thing.
And the only thing I'm remindingthem of is like all the things

(01:18:58):
that they said to me about whatTrump was supposed to do, which
they were very, very scared ofbecause they got scared of the
idea of Trump because media justdoes what media does.
But like they can't point to theactual things.
And it, during the election lasttime, it was very frustrating

(01:19:20):
because you're trying to talk topeople who simply do not want to
read or think differently atall.
You ask, they will tell youstraight up.
I, I got into, I try to be verynice with people and just try to
tell them Okay, this is thehistory of Kamala Harris.
You're telling me that you don'tlike police.
Right?
Fine.
You don't like police, you don'tlike that they lock up Black

(01:19:40):
people for no reason.
Fine.
Here's this interview with thisguy, and he got locked up by
this person, and guess what?
It's Kamala Harris.
And they just they

Gene (01:19:51):
Yeah, she was the one that was mostly in locking people up
during her

oh yeah.
100%.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And she was toeing the line totry to Be a hard nosed person
like she was extraordinarilyruthless and in her cases, but
like you, you have them readthat and you have them listen to
those accounts and it's likethey just get angry at you.
Just like, why are you

Gene (01:20:16):
because, yeah, because it's hurting their amygdala, you
know, it's people, people'sreaction to seeing contrary
history is very much angerbecause it means that either
you're lying to them right now,or.
If they can't make that argumentthat they've been lied to in the

(01:20:39):
past, and that's a very, verynegative emotion.
So they're going to lash out andsay, well, no, you're wrong.
It's not the way it actually is.
But Chicago is a great examplebecause if you look at that
city, the problems that it has,the problems it's had
historically, it's beencompletely 100 percent up to the

(01:21:00):
Democrats to solve these for ahundred years.
And it's only gotten worse.

Yeah, all of their plans.
All, they've all failed.

Gene (01:21:11):
Chicago.
Yeah.
And I, you know, back in likethe early nineties or even late
nineties, I used to go toChicago pretty regularly.
Because I liked the city, itwas, it was a cool city.
It was clubs were open until 6.
00 AM and you can go partyingall night long.
It was a good time.
And um, you know, it was one ofthose things where now talking

(01:21:33):
to people that live there,including Darren, who I do
unrelenting podcasts withThey're like, oh yeah, you, you
can't be there at night now youget killed.
Like what I used to walk thereall the time.
You it's it's ironic, but I, Ialways used to stay in the same
hotel, which is right on Wackerdrive.
I guess Wacker has differentmeaning now than it used to.

(01:21:55):
But yeah, it was like I, I, Isaw the Tribune building out of
my windows in the hotel everytime I was there, it was just a
gorgeous city and a city with alot of, a lot of history.
That reinvented itself after thebig fire and it seems like it's
just constantly been at battlewith itself and that's very sad.

Yeah, it's it's so extraordinary how people
can just gloss over reality.
In, in exchange for like theirown they don't even care about
the actual truth.
They just want their thing tohappen punitively, almost, you
know, so bizarre, but like humanbeings are very strange.

(01:22:41):
They don't care about doing theright thing at all.
I'm absolutely convinced thatwe're, we're in a Petri dish and
somebody created us to see howlong we'd last.

Gene (01:22:51):
Well, and I, this is where I also really think there's a
lot of, a lot of truth toseparating the people out there
into NPCs.
And actual humans, actual, youknow, sentient characters,
because there, there does seemto be a huge number of people

(01:23:12):
that are acting verypredictably.
They're going through themotions.
They're they're not really ableto think.
Outside of their baseprogramming, they're just
following whatever path theywere started on and never
deviating from it.
And it's bizarre to me, becauseto me, it's well, that that's
totally an NPC.

(01:23:33):
You're just following a script.
You're not actually living alife.
You're not thinking foryourself.
You're not taking data in andthen making appropriate value
judgments on how to act in thefuture.
You're literally following ascript that somebody else wrote.

Yeah, no, I totally agree.
And here's the thing that'sfunny, right?
So my, my mother in law andfather in law are these people,
right?
So I asked them, my mother inlaw's a teacher, so I asked her
like, okay, well, like, how arethe kids at your school?
And she's oh, I hate them.
None of them think, maybe about10 percent of them can do
critical thinking.

(01:24:10):
They're all disrespectful.
And I just say, oh, okay, so Youdon't like the youth of the
people who you are, who are inyour area.
What, what do they vote like?
What, what do they do on Sundaymorning?
You know?
Are they going, are theychurchgoers?
Are they people who are givingtheir kids ultimate discipline?

(01:24:32):
Are they people who do you thinkthat this same thing is
happening in, in Catholicchurches or private schools?
It's not, it's definitely not.
So they don't even understandthat it's their whole culture
that's creating the badness thatthey see.
They just see that it's badnessaround them.

Gene (01:24:52):
Yeah.

All the people who you just named, she's like
constantly complaining aboutRepublicans.
And then, then she complainedthe other day, she says
something about a doctor.
So he's like complaining aboutthis doctor wasting her time and
all this other, like that guyvotes the same way you do and
you're angry at him.
And I don't understand yourworld.

(01:25:13):
Like you, you don't like theculture that you are creating
and giving to the world.
Another thing is Patrick, butDavid, he had this tweet.
It said 1 percent of thepopulation controls the world.
4 percent of the population arethey're puppets, 90, 90 percent
of the population are justzombies.
Like you were talking about it'sjust 5 percent are trying to

(01:25:37):
wake up the zombies, you know?
And, and

Gene (01:25:40):
It's probably very true historically as well, because if
you look at major events thathave happened, like 4 percent
participation rate.
I mean, it means 96 percent andBen could correct me on this
when he listens, but 96 percentof people of the British, you

(01:26:02):
know, they were all Britishsubjects living in America at
the time of the Americanrevolution.
They were kind of agnostic or,you know, they like, whatever, I
guess there's something goingon.
I don't know.
Like they weren't on board withthe revolution, but neither were
they on board with helping theBritish either.
They were just doing theirthing.

(01:26:23):
They were NPCs.

It takes a small number of people to flip,
ultimately flip a population.
Like it really only takes,

Gene (01:26:30):
Same thing with the Russian Revolution, you know,
the Russian Empire, a verysimilar thing there.
The, I don't know the exactpercentage but I do know that
the revolution itself, whichhappened in Russia, was not a
Soviet revolution.
It was actually a you know, itwas basically the anti Tsar

(01:26:51):
People's revolution, right?
There was a number of differentfactions that all kind of joined
together in in the name of thepeasants to overthrow that's
our, but they also.
Weren't communists, thecommunists were a small faction
within that group.
And then the communists justkind of took over and the
communists absolutelyrepresented at the time of the

(01:27:15):
the, I guess, adoption or the,the revolution becoming a
communist revolution, which was.
About a year later, after the,the first revolution that took
the Tsar out at that time, thecommunist party represented
probably less than 1 percent ofthe population, but they were
able to take advantage of therecent change within governance

(01:27:38):
and political movements.
And they had the rhetoric, whichwas, you know, now all the
peasants will own the factoriesand own the land that you've
been farming all these years forsomebody else.
Now it all belongs to you.
And so they were able to get inpower, get in charge, and then
quickly prevent anybody elsefrom doing likewise.

(01:27:59):
And that's, that's a bigdistinction, as I think in the
U.
S.
we've grown accustomed to justsaying, yeah, communist China,
communist Russia, these are bad.
Well, they're certainly notgood, but the communist part, A,
is not true.
Neither one's been truecommunist ever.
And B, that's not the really badpart of these countries

(01:28:22):
governance.
The really bad part is is that,that they're authoritarian.
And you can have authoritariancapitalist governments for
example you have in Iran.
Iran is not a socialist orcommunist country.
It is absolutely authoritarian.
Same thing, Saudi Arabia, we canargue about how good or bad the

(01:28:42):
Saudi government is, but, butit's, it's a, maybe a softer,
nicer looking version, but it isabsolutely no different than the
government in Iran in terms ofits authoritarian you know, 100
percent control of do, as I sayif they do take somebody out,
they'll take somebody out.

Yeah.
The United Arab Emirates is thesame way.
I mean, down to the point wherethey, I mean, they control
immigration to the point whereyou're not allowed to just move
there.
You have to have a certain netwealth to move there.
You have to have a certainapartment.
I mean, apartments there arecrazy, crazy expensive.

Gene (01:29:23):
I don't know that they're wrong about.
I think they might be answersomething very good in that
doubt.
It's say you wanna move, yougotta have the means to do so.
Mm-Hmm.

that's like a tough thing because then
liberals will have sort of autopia to point to, to say,
look, look at here, thisdangerous freedom stuff won't
work.
Here's a picture of this.
This actually works.
And, and that's the thing that'stough being on different ends of
the spectrum.
A bunch of my friends, I'mgonna, I'm gonna name you my

(01:29:54):
friend T Pain.
I love you.
I love you, brother.
But he's constantly talking tome and everyone makes this
argument about I love you.
How voting doesn't work.
So if voting doesn't work, whyare people trying so hard?
Democrats are like flooding thecountry with people so that they
can ensure themselves a majorityforever.

(01:30:17):
Like, why are they even doingthat if voting doesn't work?
Like, why would they cheat inthe last election if it didn't
work?
We had people bussing in boxesand boxes of votes, you know?
So, to a certain degree, I agreewith them that being in a
Democracy or a republic.

(01:30:38):
And if you're a fringe minority,you're the 1 percent trying to
wake up the 90 percent or the 5percent trying to wake up the
90%.
It can seem like the game isrigged, but history shows, like
you just said, it's a smallminority that always flips the
vast majority.
And the only thing we need to dois just keep plugging away at

(01:31:00):
it.

Gene (01:31:02):
I think we're on the verge of seeing in real time a replay
of the French Revolution inFrance.
Like they are very, very closeto literally pulling out the
guillotines and chopping headsoff of politicians right now.

Oh, yeah,

Gene (01:31:20):
It is

entirely possible that 2024 we have Two
presidents, because half thecountry will not accept that Joe
Biden cheated.
And they will not like, andthey've already challenged this
before Texas challenged the endof Supreme court, denied it,
unfortunately.
The, the constitutional rightthat, that Phil, not

Gene (01:31:45):
is, is a bunch of pussies and anything to do with being in
the middle of a politicalstruggle there, you know, you
think about it, you're there forlife.
Like the last thing you need isto have a bunch of people pissed
off at you.

oh

Gene (01:32:00):
just choose to do nothing.

well they do now because they just, I think
they just ruled nine Oh, forTrump, keeping Trump on the
ballot, I think.

Gene (01:32:08):
I thought it was a one.

I keep seeing nine.
Oh,

Gene (01:32:12):
thought, I thought one of them voted against

an ex

Gene (01:32:15):
But either way, I mean, that's because there was no good
argument for it.
There's no historical basis fordoing that.
But there's an awful lot ofcases that they just sort of
don't take up that have theytaken up would have put a
decision in place once and forall.
And I'm specifically referringto a bunch of Second Amendment

(01:32:35):
related cases.
Because we, we have.
And I know I'm changing topic alittle bit here, but we, we have
in place a bureaucracy andorganization that should not
exist because it's extraconstitutional and that is ATF.
And we have restrictions on ourgun rights that came out of the

(01:32:58):
the was it the firearms,something act.
I can't remember off the top ofmy head again.
I suck with memorizing stuff,people.
So you, y'all are familiar withthat, but it's, it's the
original firearms control actfrom 19, was it 19?
It's a thirties or forties pointbeing.

(01:33:18):
Like that, the, yeah, theNational Firearms Act, it should
have never passed because thereis no power that the federal
government has to be able toselectively control some weapons
over other weapons beingavailable to Americans.
It just doesn't exist.
And it was passed because of thereally, honestly, emotional.

(01:33:44):
Circumstance of the thegangsters being better armed
than the police.
Like it was a backlash move inthe same way that abolition
that, that the, you can't buyalcohol anymore.
Was a backlash against mengetting drunk after work before

(01:34:04):
they come home that that's allit was.
It was an emotionally passedamendment to the Constitution
based on something that was realthat was happening, but it was
literally treating.
Not the disease that wastreating a symptom of the
disease, which is why did mennot want to come home?

(01:34:25):
Why would they rather go andhang out with the guys at a bar?
Maybe that's something we shouldlook at instead of looking at,
well, you got to force people tochange their behavior by
forbidding things that theyenjoy doing.
It's a, you know, it's like, whydo we not have marijuana being
fully legalized right now?
Because Hearst didn't want thecompetition.

(01:34:47):
It's So we ended up in asituation where something that's
been available on and aroundforever and was considered so
minor as to not actually warrantany kind of regulation, all of a
sudden, because Hearst.
Liked his newspapers printed onwood pulp instead of cheaper

(01:35:08):
hemp pulp what's the best way toget hemp out of the competition
with wood?
Turn it into a controlledsubstance.

right.

Gene (01:35:18):
that started in California.
So it's, it's one of thosethings of, I guess, to some
extent, unintended consequences,but they're not really
unintended.
They're sort of like, like, wecan kill two birds with one
stone and one of them may begood.
The other one is just somethingwe want.
It doesn't matter if it's goodor bad.

(01:35:38):
And that's, that's beenpolitics, not just in this
country and other countries.
I think the real secret that thepoliticians hold is what we're
seeing unraveling in Europeright now.
Which is, all you gotta do isget About 5 percent of the
population, give or take, sopissed off that they no longer

(01:36:00):
care about being in prison.
They don't care about beingarrested.
They don't care if what they'redoing is breaking some local
ordinance that some bureaucratput out there.
What they care about is the factthat you're now going in the
wrong direction as a country,and they're willing to Stand up
for it and to risk theirfreedoms, their liberty and

(01:36:22):
their lives in the process.
And it doesn't take that high apercentage.
It's literally 5 to 6 percent ofthe population is enough to do
it.

Yeah.
No, I agree.
I, I, I do think that my friendsdefinitely missed the mark on,
on how powerful we can be if wejust banded together a bit.
Yeah, for sure.

Gene (01:36:43):
yeah, and that's something that, you know, I was on the
border last weekend.

Oh, yeah.
How was that?

Gene (01:36:49):
Pass.
So, I mean, I had a lot ofnumber of comments.
I posted some videos on X aboutit.
But if I had to kind ofsummarize.
Relating to what we're talkingabout, I would say the word is
disappointing.
Disappointing because there wassuch a small number of people
that care about what's going onthe border, that all you had to

(01:37:09):
do was take time out of oneweekend.
To drive down there and justshow solidarity with other
people that have a strong beliefthat the border crisis is being
mishandled completely.
And in the end, you know, therewas probably somewhere around
300 people there.
It's not a tiny number, but it'sway smaller than it should have
been.
It's way smaller than what I wasexpecting it to be.

(01:37:31):
And then you know, because itwas such a small number, the
local police down Eagle Passbasically just closed off a two
block area anywhere near theborder and just said, yep,
Sheriff's off or the, the, thepolice chief said it's all
closed off.
You can't be here.
And, you know, they can do thatwhen there's 300 people, they
couldn't do that.
It was, there was 10, 000 peoplethere.

Ah, so the coverage is not as big, like
the, the blockade, you'resaying?

Gene (01:38:01):
Well, I'm, I'm saying that the police powers are at the
mercy of the number of people.
That want to do something, youknow, the, the, the point at
which the police, the, the, thepolice being the guy on the
ground, not the bureaucratpolitician.
We'll simply look at a crowd andsay nope, I'm going home.

(01:38:22):
You saw that in a lot of the BLMevents that were happening a few
years ago, the police see thecrowd coming down and they get
the hell out of there.
They're no longer responsiblefor anybody there normally would
be responsible for protecting.
They're just looking out forthemselves.
And that number.
You know, it's not a fixednumber.

(01:38:43):
It's always going to be apercentage of the population,
but certainly during the BLMriots, we saw those numbers get
hit with some regularity on theWestern states and some of the
states in the Midwest too.
But but we were not seeinganywhere near that level with
the, what is ultimately a muchbigger deal for our country,

(01:39:05):
which is the lack of borders.
You know, it's not good.
Let's just assume thateverything that the media said
about what's his face saysagain, sort of the uh, uh, the
guy that got killed there.
Yeah.

What is his name?
George Floyd.

Gene (01:39:23):
Yeah.
So let's assume everything themedia said is correct.
So without even arguing thedetails about it if that
happened, it's, it's obviouslybad when you have.
Police overstepping theirpowers, acting unprofessionally,
and somebody ends up dying as aresult of that, right?
However, that is a hit and thatis a drop in the bucket compared

(01:39:45):
to the danger and the negativeeffects that the whole country
right now is facing with a lackof a controlled border.
There are over 10, 000undocumented people who are
mostly men, mostly in their 20s.
And mostly coming withoutfamilies that are crossing the

(01:40:07):
border

Right.

Gene (01:40:09):
and it's mostly not Mexican.
If you look at a

I heard on, I agree with you, like it's a, a
lot of Chinese people, a

Gene (01:40:19):
lot of Chinese,

escaping,

Gene (01:40:20):
a lot of people from Africa, a lot of people from
South America.
But the number of of peoplecoming in with literally no
English at all.
It's huge.
What are these people here for?
What are you going to do?
You know, what's the plan thanthey're going to vote Democrat?

(01:40:42):
Other than that, what is theplan?

yes, see, I think I agree with you that the
300 number is honestly, reallysad because.
I heard Byron Donaldson, Iforget what podcast he was on, I
think Tim Cass, but he said ifone person calls my office, I
will never hear about it.
If a hundred people call myoffice, then maybe one or two

(01:41:09):
staff members will hear aboutit.
If a thousand people call myoffice, Then everybody knows
about it.
So like for them to have, and Iknow that immigration is like
issue that's been in the sixtiesand 70

Gene (01:41:23):
hmm.

where America thinks it's polled as a really
big issue.
But it's it's it's a reallytough thing.
If 300 people actuallyphysically show up, you know,
that's not even moving theneedle.
Like it

Gene (01:41:40):
it's literally one 30 or yeah, one 30th of the number of
people crossing the border.

right.

Gene (01:41:49):
Yeah.

And I get people are

Gene (01:41:51):
say, I'd say the, the average age of people at the
event was probably 60.

Okay.
So here's another thing that I,I, I, I want to challenge you on
because I think that it mayhelp.
Right.
So, not saying that you're old,but you're a little bit older in
that generation of people wholike have built businesses and
are successful.
Right.
From the democratic side, thereis a functional machine where

(01:42:18):
even Kamala Harris is right.
Paying for people to get out ofprison,

Gene (01:42:24):
Yeah.

if they do the correct things, or yell at the
right people.
There is almost no million, likeGeorge Soros, people are yelling
about George Soros.
Well, he's spending his money ina free capitalist society.
So like, why are you mad at himfor that?
You're mad at somethingcompletely different.
There are no billionaires on ourside, or no people who are

(01:42:46):
helping our people

Gene (01:42:47):
Well, there wasn't, I mean, Musk is doing that now.

Right.
No, I agree with you.
But even him and somebody Mikesaid this earlier, I think I'm
not, I'm going to butcher it,but I'm going to give you the
gist of it.
But he was saying that must willterminate people or devalue
people as soon as he disagreeswith them.
And as soon as cat turds startedto disagree with him about
stuff, he flogged his account.

(01:43:12):
So it's I don't necessarily,

Gene (01:43:14):
Yeah.
I, I don't

do think that he, I do think that he has made
the right choices at everypoint.
He is a person who seems tothink about his choices very
deeply, which I definitelyappreciate, but I also think
that he's just an individual andit should be run by, it should
be run more by an entity that isnot so subjective to that.

(01:43:38):
He's doing that a little bitwith community notes.
And community

Gene (01:43:43):
Notes is definitely a good feature.
I like that.

yeah, it has to have agreement from three
parties, which is great.
It's you have to be left, rightand center for that to get
posted.
So

Gene (01:43:55):
I do think that that he has to be able to run it like a
private company because meaning,you know, he can decide to
overrule himself and others ifhe wants to.
Because the.
The people that prefercollectivism are much better at

(01:44:17):
taking advantage of any, anysort of.
Organize because again, if youlook at it from that difference
of perspective of, of ofindividualism versus
collectivism, as soon as youhave a group in charge, instead
of a person, that group becomessusceptible.
To group control, which the leftis much better at doing.

(01:44:42):
This is something they had moreexperience in and they enjoy
doing more because the rightgenerally just wants to be left
the hell alone.
And, and so I think he does haveto run it the way he is.
And if he like I said earlier.
I, I will block people becauseif they do something that, that
is in my view, actively workingagainst something that I believe

(01:45:05):
in something that I'm promoting,I don't want them to have the
benefit of even seeing what thehell I'm saying.
I don't, I don't believe in thatall publicity is good publicity
stuff, because ultimately mymessaging is for people that
have a brain and can understandwhat I'm saying.

(01:45:25):
It's not there to be turned intomemes for people that just want
to make fun of shit.

Yeah, no, I totally agree.
I think that that's where peopleget religion wrong.
Where it's a, they tried tomend.

Gene (01:45:39):
Mm

Reality to their like they change God into
whatever they want God to beinstead of Okay, no, this is the
word, and you need to justfollow that.
Not I'm not like an overlyreligious person, but I've
studied it a lot.
But I think that that'sdefinitely one of the biggest
pitfalls that people have withreligion, for sure.

(01:46:01):
They're trying to mend somethinginto something that it's not.
Where it's

Gene (01:46:06):
Well, and, and

everybody.
Being a Christian is not foreverybody.
Being a Muslim is not foreverybody.
Not everybody can handle thatdiscipline.

Gene (01:46:13):
denominations within both of those.
But what kind of Muslim?
What kind of Christian?
You know?
And, well,

where that came from, I think.

Gene (01:46:21):
I don't know if the movie is going to be good at all or if
it's going to suck, but like inthe ad for that movie about the
American revolution, the newrevolution at the very end of
the teaser, you know, the guysholding up the main characters
and they say, Hey, we'reAmerican.
And he looks at me and goes,yeah, but.
What kind of Americans are you?

right.

Gene (01:46:42):
And I think that's a valid question.
I think it is, we're at thepoint right now where saying
you're American is not, it's toobroad.
It doesn't give enough details.
It used to mean something moreconcise and more homogenous than
it does today.
Because today, everybody frompeople that are left of left of

(01:47:06):
Lenin And to the right of theNazis, like everybody, all those
people are claiming Americanism.
So I think that it is a validquestion.
Well, what kind of American areyou?

Yeah, I, I think that it's it, I think that
it started with the left.
They, they tend to demonizefigureheads on the other side to
tell their story, whereas again,like the, and I only know this
because I came from the left.
Most people on the right who Iknow and are really good friends
with.
I will tell them aboutsubtleties of changing language

(01:47:43):
and curtailing language.
And they're just like, I have noidea what the hell you're
talking about, but leave mealone.
And then it's in a few years, itwas like, oh, okay, well, now
they're turning everybody, girlsor boys, down.
they're like, Oh, okay.
Now I get it.

Gene (01:47:59):
Yeah, exactly.

So it's just it's so weird.
It's like you said, likeconservatives just basically
want to be left the hell alone.
But at the same time, they'rebeing just like scratched in,
in, in ways they don't even see.
Um, uh, George Carlin talkedabout soft language.
Like that, this started, herecognized that in the
seventies, like changing people,changing language back then.

(01:48:26):
And now it's just likecompletely unfurled into
something that we almost, it'sunrecognizable, you know?

Gene (01:48:33):
Yeah.
I think that's very true.
I think that there's subtletieslike for most of my life, the
dictionary definition of thedifference between sex and
gender.
Is that sex is a property ofhuman beings.
Gender is a property of words.
Because a lot of languages, notEnglish, but a lot of other

(01:48:55):
languages, Spanish, Russian, youknow, you name it, they have
words of different gender.
And so the word gender in and ofitself only referred to the
gender of words and that gendercoincides with sexual names.
It's masculine, feminine, or, orneutral.
But, but it was never meant asreferencing an actual human

(01:49:18):
being.
It was just referencing wordsthat were masculine or feminine.
And by taking that word, andthis is something that left down
a lot of things.
I think they've taken a lot ofwords out of context, changed
the meaning of those words byconstantly using them
effectively, wrongly using themin the wrong definition.

(01:49:40):
And, but by doing that longenough and long enough could be
as short as a couple of years,You know, two to five years,
then boom, the word has a newdefinition in the dictionary
because that's all it takesbecause the dictionaries are
living.
They're meant to be updated withcurrent usage.
And so if you start misusing thedefinition of a word for long
enough and you get enough peopleto subscribe to that new

(01:50:01):
definition, you get to magicallychange the meaning of a word.
And that's what's happened withthe word gender.

Oh yeah.
I think gender started in likethe 1950s or something like
that.
That's when the word firstpopped up and like toxic
masculinity was designed forlooking at.
Hyper masculine men in prisonsystems who would react very
violently when confronted withthe smallest things.

(01:50:29):
And then now that all of asudden unfurled itself

Gene (01:50:33):
and incidentally, that has a racist component to it because
the man that it was generallylooking at were responses.
things that the prison guardsthought were very minor, like
calling men certain words.
And all of a sudden thatresulted in a very strong
negative reaction.
Go, go figure.

Yo, figure.

Gene (01:50:55):
So, yeah, you, you have the misuse of the now, as far as
they're concerned, everybodyborn with a penis is toxic.

Yeah.
No, I know people who they,luckily everything is, like, all
right now.
They've come out of it, and I'veseen it several times online as
well.
Where like people just didn'twant they bought the narrative
of I don't want to be toxicmasculine or toxic feminine or
whatever but luckily they'velike sort of gotten out of that

(01:51:27):
a little bit.
And Yeah, but it's so it's sucha strange thing, man.
Like I don't, I don't understandhuman beings from from that
perspective.
I just understand how they, howthey are.
And I know that there are justdark forces that that are just,
just out there.
I don't know if you saw thestory.
They came out with the peoplewere trying to, they were

(01:51:49):
seeding straight people's pornwith gay porn in order to try to
turn them gay.

Gene (01:51:58):
Yeah, I heard about that.
Let's just pretend I've neveractually seen that.
But yeah, yeah, that's, that's,

pretend I've never seen that either,

Gene (01:52:06):
yeah,

but let's say that I have a friend

Gene (01:52:09):
say that it, maybe your friends saw that happening.
Yeah, exactly.

like it, like

Gene (01:52:14):
think, I think it's

it even happened, like before it became
a story, I was like,

Gene (01:52:18):
but

me, but my friend was noticing

Gene (01:52:21):
right, right.
Not your friend with anotherthing.
Yeah.
I have to wonder though, howmuch of it is by design of some
giant conspiracy and how much ofit is just people that create
non straight porn, wanting abigger audience and just
labeling their own shit asstraight.

Okay.
So the algorithms are reallyonly going to push you in deeper
into the things that you like.

Gene (01:52:49):
Yeah.
Theoretically.

yeah.
But it was like left fieldstuff.

Gene (01:52:55):
Yeah.
I'll tell you the one that Inoticed and I, I've probably
seen some of this one as well,but what I've really noticed
happening is back about, I'mgoing to say about five years
ago.
The front page of these allegedporn sites that I have no
knowledge of personally startedgoing from just sort of.
You know, hot girls with guys,it started to all of a sudden

(01:53:19):
have a lot of titles likestepmother with son, stepfather
with daughter, brother with notreal sister.

yep,

Gene (01:53:28):
And this happened, I know we can get the exact time
because it was happening rightabout the time that Game of
Thrones was very popular.
And of course you have Jamie andCersei being brother and sister
and also, you know, having a lotof

right?

Gene (01:53:41):
And, and all of a sudden this like somehow magically
transported into the, the pornsites.
Pushing that messaging forvideos.
Now the videos themselves maynot even been all that different
from what they would have beentwo or three years ago, but the,
the messaging, the titles andthe way that the people refer to

(01:54:01):
each other, all of a suddenbecame very incestuous,
literally incestuous.
Did you notice that?
Or had you had any friendsreport noticing that?

No, I totally agree.
I totally, totally agree withyou.
It's It's wild that the deviancyhas become, and this is what I
was saying a little bit earlier,like there's no one putting the
cork back on the bottle, youknow, things are only getting
crazier, you know?

Gene (01:54:29):
Yeah, it's, it's a one way street.
It's a one way road.
And again, unfortunately, Ithink it's a sign of.
Times being too good and notenough bad times stuff happening
that people can indulge in moredeviant behavior.
And I, I'm not even making a,like any kind of moralistic
judgment against deviantbehavior.

(01:54:49):
I'm just saying that this iswhat happened in Rome toward the
twilight of the Roman empire aswell.
Is they went away from simplygoing around and conquering
other nations to having morecrazy wild orgy parties.
Dionysus was becoming a lot morepopular, you know, than than

(01:55:12):
Mars was, who was really a lotmore popular in the earlier
years of the empire.
So I think we're just seeing alot of that with the United
States.

Yeah, no, I, I totally agree.
Like it's, it's really just likethe fog of the end of an empire
and like the transition periodsare always really, really weird.

Gene (01:55:32):
Exactly.
Hey, so,

need like a war or something.

Gene (01:55:35):
yeah, I, I, I hate having to even think

Admit that.
Right.

Gene (01:55:40):
but there is something to saying it for sure.
Now, I believe it or not, we'vebeen going for over 2 hours now,
so we got to wrap up this thing,but I will say there's 1 other
topic that we didn't get to thistime.
So we're definitely going tohave to do another recording.
And that is I want to talkabout.
More of the, I guess, thesimilarities and differences

(01:56:02):
that you're seeing and that I'mseeing from the black versus
white perspective on what'sgoing on, because I've always
said I have way more in commonwith a black dude than I do
with, you know, my ex wife it's,like guys are pretty
straightforward to figure out.
I don't care if you're Asian orblack or white or anything else.

(01:56:24):
As I found out when I did my DNAtest, I have one quarter of a
percent Samoan.
So I'm claiming that I'm fuckingthis

wow.

Gene (01:56:33):
I mean, I'm like, fuck.
Yeah.
Get out of my

you go.
That's huge.

Gene (01:56:38):
Yeah.
I will.
Hey, that's more than ElizabethWarren.

right?
We're

Gene (01:56:44):
That's

both minorities, man.
All we just have to

Gene (01:56:47):
I'm biracial at this point as far as I'm concerned.
So

As long as we all band together like the left
does and just keep saying thatyou're biracial, you actually

Gene (01:56:55):
exactly, exactly.

Rachel Dolezal,

Gene (01:56:57):
All right, well, we'll wrap this one up and we'll
definitely do another one with alittle more focused topic on
commonalities and differences inthe future.

Awesome.
Thanks.
I'm looking forward to it,brother.

All Episodes

0110 Sir Gene Speaks with Ni**arificEnergy - Prepping

Episode Transcript

Popular Podcasts

Stuff You Should Know

Dateline NBC

Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang

.css-15opob5{left:0;position:absolute;top:0.8rem;} All Episodes

.css-14f5ked{margin:0;word-break:break-word;display:-webkit-box;-webkit-box-orient:vertical;box-orient:vertical;-webkit-line-clamp:2;overflow:hidden;}0110 Sir Gene Speaks with Ni**arificEnergy - Prepping