0111 Sir Gene Speaks with Ni**arificEnergy - Racial Relations - Sir Gene Speaks

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Gene (00:00):
Well, the only people that know it's late is you and me,

(00:02):
because this was never prescheduled.

Ni**arificEnergy (00:05):
Right, right.

Gene (00:06):
So, as far as everybody else is concerned.
Hey, by the way, we got anothergreat episode starting now.
So this is my third now, I thinkepisode with Negrific Energy.
How are you today?

Fantastic, brother.
How are you?

Gene (00:21):
I'm doing pretty good.
I, I was having some, I don'tknow, neck pain or something
yesterday, so I slept on theguest bed, which is way, um,
harder.
It's firmer.
I guess that would be the rightthe right way to say it.
So yeah, it's it's been prettygood.
Yeah,

because I have lower back issues.
I played football forever.
So, firmer mattresses are, like,my favorite.
How about you?

Gene (00:53):
yeah, I usually go for one of the most firmer ones, but the
there's like the one I've got asmy main mattress I've, I've had
now for 12 years and I thinkover the years it's gotten a
little softer.
It's a, it's one of those youknow, magic foam things,
whatever the hell they'recalled.

(01:16):
You know what I'm talking about,right?
It's

Oh, yeah, yeah,

Gene (01:18):
foam, but whatever it's called.
But, the one in the guy in thebedroom is almost never used, so
it's in basically brand newshape.
Which makes it more firm bydefault.
So, that was, that's, that's whyI was like, and I generally
prefer the firmness of my normalmattress.
This thing feels a little toodamn firm because it feels brand

(01:41):
new.
But sometimes I just feel like,you know, I, I, I just want to
spend the night on something alittle firmer.
So, that's what I did.
But, we're not here to talkabout mattresses.
We're talking, we're here totalk about, A an issue that's
been around forever from what Ican tell which is what kind of
mistakes did black people makewhen they created white people?

(02:09):
I, we watched the documentary.
A few days ago that talked abouthistory of black people.

Oh, gosh.

Gene (02:18):
Now what did you think of that documentary?

Which documentary?
You got to remind me.
Sorry.
That was.

Gene (02:27):
it's the ones let me see, what, what was the name of it?
I've got it here.
It was called what was itcalled?
I know you liked it'cause youreplied back with a bunch of,

Oh, yeah

Gene (02:40):
Happy symbols there.
But it's, man, it's alreadysliding back out of my, my past
history here.
I'm scrolling through

No, no, no, but I had the uh, right.
I pulled up the youtube.
No that that was really reallyfunny, man That was like you you
have a couple gems on youtubethat you showed me too.

Gene (03:00):
Mm

Um, that's That question is hilarious,

Gene (03:06):
what's the name of the I'll have a link to it Oh, yeah,
it's called black history belike

right

Gene (03:12):
that's and it goes through Through all of human history
from 60 million years ago andbasically shows the various
stages of of what, what happenedthere.
And you know, white people wereonly created fairly recently,

(03:33):
apparently by Yakub who's this,who, who was the a black leader
who wanted to experiment withchanging the color of people's
skin.
So I, I found that documentaryto be invaluable in learning
more about my own history, infact.

It was,

Gene (03:51):
in the process, learning a lot about the ancient history of
the black man as well.

so it's kind of like, kind of like listening
to Kanye West, you know, it'sthe revisionist history, you
know, like they just you don'tknow what to expect.
Like every time, like every timethey kept changing different
things, I was like, Oh, okay,you're just going to keep
unfurling this without unpackingany of this, aren't you?

Gene (04:18):
yeah,

But yeah, it was really good comedy.
I think I wish more people hadthat sense of humor and had the,

Gene (04:25):
Uh

had the content, had the, the braveness
to put that type of content outthere.

Gene (04:30):
yeah.
Yeah.
It's I, it, it has a lot ofvisuals that would not be
politically correct.

right

Gene (04:41):
and you know, it's, it uses a lot of stock imagery as
well.
which is hilarious because hedoesn't like it has the little
logos that say it's a stockimage because it wasn't actually
purchased

right,

Gene (04:55):
because, you know, when, when they show them to you, they
don't want you stealing them.
So they slap stuff on top ofthem.

right.

Gene (05:02):
Yeah, so I thought it was fascinating and I thought, well,
it wasn't what a perfect topicfor us to discuss how a large
headed black man created all theraces, including the white race.

Well he was clearly a genius

Gene (05:15):
you know, he had a big head.

I think that we should probably not judge so
much, especially you, given thathe created you

Gene (05:24):
Oh, absolutely.
No, I, I think I think of himas, as my creator at this point.

Yeah, yeah, I think I've started praying to
him,

Gene (05:32):
Mm hmm.
Mm hmm.

it feels weird.
Not gonna lie.

Gene (05:36):
Well, I guess for you, it probably would be a bad thing
because if he hadn't created thewhite man race, then he, uh, you
know, then you'd, you'd still beliving in Atlantis and flying on
space cars and things.
Yes.

think he had a lot of foresight.
Hey, folks, I wouldn't say thathe's a swing trader.
He's more, more of a scalper,you know.
Yeah.
Short term thinking only.
But

Gene (06:06):
Yeah.
I

yeah, it's,

Gene (06:09):
I think he wasn't really paying attention to what the
consequences of his actionsmight be.
And I'll, I'll have a link.
Obviously, if you're listeningto this just look in the
description, there'll be a linkto the video.
It's very short, just a fewminutes.
But it kind of catches you up.

it's kind of funny, but you know, it's it's
the short sightedness is it, itnever left our culture for some
reason

Gene (06:33):
Yeah.
Well, let's, so, obviously we'restarting on a very funny video
note, because I thought it was,it was quite fitting.
But, As somebody that's traveledextensively all over the world
and has lived in a few differentcountries, I definitely see that
black people in America have avery different attitude than

(06:55):
black people that living almostevery other country I've been

yeah,

Gene (07:00):
and it's, it's, I guess you can sort of the simple
answer, I guess the easy answeris to tie it back to the fact
that there were a lot of slavesthat were brought to the U S who
really Well, not only was itdone forcefully, obviously, but
they'd lost connection withtheir relatives in the past.

(07:22):
And so it's an abridged sort ofhistory of black people that are
descendants of American slavery,but also.
So, looking at the the featuresand the skin tone of a lot of
black people that are in the U.
S., I say a vast majority ofblack people have some white

(07:45):
ancestors.

for sure.

Gene (07:49):
They don't look like those Nigerian dudes, that's for sure.

Definitely some make some race mixing.
And I think also that's where I,again, we see the revisionist
history too.
People don't like to talk aboutit per se, but which Africans
were sold Africans who werespoils of war guys who were
already in war captured by acompletely different tribe or

(08:14):
captured for the sake of beingsold into slavery.
So Africans enslaving otherAfricans, just like we have
today and selling them towhites.
Despite the fact that theEnglish Navy, when they spend
2000 2500 troops.
Die trying to stop thetransatlantic trade slavery.

Gene (08:36):
Yeah, the English were one of the earliest to reject
slavery, although they certainlypracticed it for quite a while
before rejecting it.
But there's a, there's a bithere that everybody forgets,
which is that we had slavery inAfrica for the entirety of
African history.

(08:58):
We had slavery of white peopleby the Barbary Pirates who were
Basically enslaving any nonMuslims, well, most of those are
European because during theirtime North Africa was very
Muslim.
You go back further to thatregion of North Africa and
you've got the Egyptians thatheld a lot of slaves from

(09:19):
different areas, the Jewsprobably being the most famous,
but certainly not the onlyslaves that were around.
And you know, the practice ofcapturing and owning your
conquests in battle is notunique to Africa either.
That's something that you lookat the Indonesian area and, and
the Polynesian islands.

(09:40):
That was very much the case.
You look at South America andthe native history there and the
practice of, you know, you, youget to own what you, what you
win against.
It was very much the case.
You look at the Aztec whateverwe know, which I know it's very
limited, but what we do knowfrom.
The practices of the the Aztecsyou know, they routinely

(10:03):
enslaved small tribes, broughtthem to their larger cities to
use as slave labor.
Or in, in their case, a lot ofthem ended up, if you happen to
be of a good looking complexionand you had all your body parts.
You were likely to be asacrifice instead, because the

(10:25):
sacrifices had to be perfect.
They couldn't be blemished.

Yeah.
I think it's it's a biggerhistory than people would have
liked to hear.
But I think that because of theemotions tied to the situation
and people's inability to quitefrankly, argue well in public
against emotional issues.

(10:52):
It's, it's very difficult, likeit's, we've talked about this
before, how great it was to seeCharlie Kirk and Ben Shapiro and
stuff go out to the campuses andtalk to these people because
for, for once they, theiremotions were, they fell on deaf
ears because their parents arejust telling them, yeah, you're

(11:13):
sure you're okay, you're rightabout everything or whatever,
maybe they believe it, maybethey don't, but they're not
arguing back at them with logicand facts.
It's, That they can easilydisprove their point.
So I think that, that therevisionist history sort of
allows people and people'sinability to even remember

(11:36):
history, even four years ago,you know, we see that with, we
see that with election cycles,so let alone something that
happened 200, 150 years ago.
Oh, just forget it.
It's so much easier to just sayslaves were.
And their brain just inputswhatever imagery was put into

(11:56):
their head with social mediawith movies with whatever, you
know, that's what they think ofit as, whereas like Harriet
Tubman famously said that Ifreed a bunch of slaves, but,
and I would have freed a lotmore if they knew they were
slaves.
So, you had a whole class ofpeople who were just like, you

(12:18):
know what, this guy Massa.
He's feeding us, he gives us ajob, purpose in life, he lets us
go to church, he lets us dowhatever we want to for the most
part, but, small little thing,I'm his property.
It's just

Gene (12:35):
You know, that didn't concern people nearly as much as
it seems to now in hindsight,2020.
It, because that's what, thatwas your.
You know, place in life, likepeople actually believed in God
in the past, and they thoughtthat their station in life was
something that their burden wasto live with and not something

(12:56):
that clearly was a, in error ofGod's plan.
And so you had a lot lesspushback on that.
Did you happen to listen to thevideo I posted?
It's actually just audio withsome images, but it was an
interview with like recorded inthe I think late 1800s, early
1900s, whenever the phonographstarted recording an interview

(13:18):
with one of the slaves ofJefferson Davis.

Oh, no, I have it.

Gene (13:24):
Oh yeah.
I'll, I'll see if I can dig thatout and send that to you.
It's fascinating because it'sexactly 180 degrees.

Right.

Gene (13:32):
he talked about how he was a third generation educated
slave, like his dad was and hisgrandfather was, and that
Jefferson Davis basically hadhis, his dad was in charge of
shipping and receiving.

(13:52):
And, you know, he was trustedimplicitly and Jefferson Davis
had sent all the male slave kidsand well, I'm going to assume
with some qualifications, Idon't think it was a hundred
percent, but basically he talksabout how all, all the kids were
sent to get educated, to learnhow to read and write and do

(14:13):
mathematics.
And, you know, he wasn'tnecessarily doing it out of a
goodness of his heart.
He was doing it as a practicalmatter, but he certainly didn't
think, Oh, you got to keep, yougot to keep the black man down.
You got to not let them learnhow to read and write because
they'll, they'll read somethingbad.
No, it's the exact opposite.

(14:33):
And the conclusion of his storytalks about how after The the
Civil War, how one of his, Ithink it was his uncle, the guy
who's telling the story, hadheard that the the Northerners
were coming and they were, youknow, pillaging and, and

(14:54):
occupying territory of formerformer Southern politicians and
whatnot.
And so he wrote out to, for twodays to meet up with Jefferson
Davis and said, you got to signover your plantation to me.
And Jefferson Davis says, whatare you talking about?
He says, well, the, theNortherners are coming.

(15:15):
And if they find out this isyour plantation, they're going
to burn it all down.
And, you know, that means allthe people that are living there
are going to be homeless.
So we got to save thatplantation and Jefferson Davis
did exactly that.
He signed over a legalpaperwork, basically giving his
plantation to one of his slaves,because again, their

(15:38):
relationship was such thatthat's something that could
happen.
It wasn't this fictionalizedbrutality that's always
portrayed.
Was there some brutality?
I'm sure there was, but 99percent of the interaction.
No different than what you havecurrently with your job.
Now you don't work, so that's, Idon't mean you, you you figured

(16:00):
out a way out of this rat ratrace, but, uh, for the average
person doing a job that theydon't love, well, you're
experiencing fairly similar towhat was slavery and all the.
All the imagery of all theseblack dudes getting whipped and
stuff.
Yeah, that wasn't happeningbecause somebody had a bad day
that was happening because theydid something and that's no

(16:24):
different than, Hey, how manyblack men are incarcerated in
prison today?

Yes.
So that's right.
So that's, I think that peoplehave like just the colorful
Django Django unchained view ofslavery.
Like you got, you had to doexactly what I wanted.
Most people, it wasn't a largeoperation.
Most.
Farmers had maybe one or twoslaves, or maybe they had a

(16:53):
farmhand family, if they werelucky, they had a whole family,
and their work, their workersjust kept reproducing that's but
everybody depended on that food.
Everybody.

Gene (17:06):
And you think about it and then maybe some people think
this is a horrible comparison,but back in the day before cars,
right.
People rode horses.
You don't beat your horse halfto death because you're counting
on that horse being available tomove you around.
You're not going to beat yourslaves half to death because you

(17:27):
got mad at something.
You're, you're relying on themfor the picking of the cotton
for the, you know, harvesting ofthe crops for doing whatever.
So do you expect them to followyour orders?
Yeah, sure.
But you're, you're going to tryand convey what you're want them

(17:49):
to do without impeding theirability to actually do the job.
So it's just, again, from apurely practical sense of the
matter, it, it makes no sensefor the South to have been the
way it's portrayed in Django.
Cause frankly, everybody wouldhave been dead and, and likely

(18:09):
there would have been anoverthrow because that's the
other thing you got to rememberin those large plantations
you've got.
A very large ratio between thewhite people there and the black
people there.
And the black people are, unlikeprison, they're actually using
metal tools for doing a lot ofthe farm work.

(18:32):
You know, wood tools, metaltools.
It's if you got them digging atrench for water, it's not going
to be with their hands.
So again, this idea that somehowthere was like a, an armed guard
watching every two slaves isjust ridiculous.
It's, it's, it's

Yeah, they could have, they could have
easily overpowered or outmanned.
Any opposition, and even likethe guns back in the day what
was the most like six, sixbullets, you know, I put the
five,

Gene (19:07):
no, no, no.
If we're talking before thecivil war revolvers were pretty
rare before the civil war.
It was mostly one shot

yeah, you're right.
You're right.

Gene (19:16):
The revolvers only really came out in the the aftermath of
the civil war.

Yeah, that's like a, that was like to

Gene (19:25):
Hey, hold on.
Let me reload my, my blackpowder rifle here before you run
it away.
And so,

All 20 of you stay right there.

Gene (19:36):
exactly.
Yeah.
Don't you dare come next to mewith those shovels in your
hands.

That's

Gene (19:42):
huh.
So yeah, I think the, theperspective has been skewed and
it's been skewed on purpose bypeople that want to keep this
resentment going forever.
And this is.
This is something the Hodgetwinshave talked about.
I don't know if you watch thoseguys on YouTube.
They're pretty good.
Yeah, and about the idea thateven the term African American

(20:06):
is really there.
It only exists to reinforce adifference between Black people
and white people.
It's, it's, it's a reminderthat, Oh yeah, well, you're
African.
You're not from America, youknow, you're only half American.
And this is for people that haveliterally had four generations

(20:28):
or more born here in the U S.

right.

Gene (20:32):
I wasn't born in the U.
S.
I came here as a kid.
So, but yet, I'm American, butyou're African American.
What the hell, man?
That's fucked up.

Yeah, it's really weird like people but
people like until they don'tpeople really like categories
like if it's a category that canelevate them or they can easily
exalt themselves in a socialsetting.
And, it just became really easyblack people, obviously, were
awesome at everything.
But,

Gene (21:03):
hmm.
Mm

it's it's really easy to gain social clout
and mystique in today's cultureif you are black.
Especially if you play the same,play by the rules.

Gene (21:16):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Of whatever culture and that's like with
both sides, like we, we see Iguess his name was like CJ
Bryson or something like that,whatever the black, black rapper
is, who's back in the day, 20,30 years ago, he wouldn't have
been, no one would have knownhis name, but now he's a
Christian conservative rapper.

(21:38):
And he has a fairly largeaudience based off of that.
So it works both ways.
Blacks who placate towards aculture like Obama, and we'll
tell you that racism is real andall this other stuff and people
who don't will also gain socialclout based off of.
You know their thought process,

Gene (22:00):
Yeah, and, and I think that pretty easy, once you think
about it, to see which personbenefits from having a
distinction and which persondoesn't.
Because I remember back to likemy elementary school, junior
high school in the eighties andthere was no race, like no one

(22:24):
gave a shit.
No one cared.
No one had a black anything orwhite anything.
I kind of thought that, that thewhole idea of, you know, racism
and distinguishing by race wasover and done with before even
the 1990s.
And then in the nineties,politically clerechnus started
emerging.

(22:44):
It was, I, it was one of theearliest times that I remember
that popping up where all of asudden people were creating new
terminology and specificallytrying to divide everybody by
their race, by their sexualorientation, by, you know, you
name it, there, there was a, adrive to separate and divide and

(23:06):
categorize people.
And it's bizarre because backthen it seemed well, that's,
that's kind of, that that's whatNazis did 40 years ago, you
know, 40 years before theeighties.
And it was like, what the fuck?
Why, why are these specificallyliberals, self proclaimed
liberals acting more like Naziswhere the conservatives had

(23:31):
moved on?
No one gave a shit.
Everybody was looking atmeritocracy.
It's well, what have you doneand can you do it again?
You know,

right?

Gene (23:41):
that makes more logical sense, but there was definitely
the start of that and it waseasy enough to ridicule them
because there wasn't a whole lotof them.
But boy, over the course of thenineties and, and after 2000,
did that shit take hold or what?

Yeah, we

Gene (23:59):
mm hmm, mm

I think that we became and this is have you
ever read daniel kahneman's?
Thinking fast and thinking slow.
Okay, great book.
It teaches people about Systemone versus system two thinking
your system.
One is just basically youramygdala.
You're you're just stream ofconsciousness.

(24:22):
Whatever comes across is whatcomes across.
It's a lot.
The humans who survive nowsurvive because we look down at
the ground, saw a stick, thoughtit was a snake and jumped away.
Right.
So it's just yes, it's a wrong

Gene (24:37):
I gotta, I gotta ask this.
Why so many black people areafraid of snakes?
I,

think okay,

Gene (24:45):
tell me if you are, but if you're not, you'll be the first.

I am not afraid of snakes, but

Gene (24:52):
you're the first.

yeah, so I used to

Gene (24:55):
Are you sure you're black?
Heh heh heh heh

am about to take my black card like crazy
saying this, but I used to ownspiders.
Like I am like, yeah, so like I

Gene (25:06):
were a nerd, basically.
Heh heh heh heh

yes, I grew up in the hood, but I am definitely
a nerd.
I, I was lucky enough to be bornwith a slightly higher IQ than
the average person.
That's what I'll say.
So I'm, I'm enormously curious.
About things and I used to beafraid of spiders.
And I was like, well, I'm notgoing to just walk around my

(25:31):
entire life as a grown adultbeing afraid of spiders, you
know, so I just went into anexotic pet store and there, the
guy was just explaining it to meand the entire time he's just
pulling out this spider that'sbigger than my hand and I'm
like, Oh my gosh, this is reallyhappening.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And so he's explaining the, likethe Okay, all the big ones are

(25:52):
the girls, the males are threetimes smaller, how their thought
process is, and I just fell inlove with them they just and the
fact that they, they creep otherpeople out, and I am a natural
contrarian, oh, it's, it's justlike a match made in heaven, you
know, so, yeah, but I owned a abunch of different exotic pets,
I owned a chameleon a Chinesewater dragon, and

Gene (26:15):
Yeah.
Those are, I had a couple ofthose.
Those those were cool.

Yeah, they're awesome.
Yeah, eventually I'll get ategu.

Gene (26:22):
Mm hmm.
Oh, Tegos are fun.

yeah, I really like the the blue pearl tegus
and the black and white tegus.
They're, they're almost likedogs, but they're, they're like
lizards.
The monitor lizards are reallycool.

Gene (26:35):
Yeah.
They're like they're very chill.
They're probably the most chillof the lizards.

Right, right.
Yeah, monitor lizards, they'llrun around all over the place.
And they're just constantlytrying to get into things.
They'll probably be halfwayeating my kid

Gene (26:49):
They're, they're very smart.
The the water monitors are, yougotta watch out.
You can, you can lose somefingers with those guys.

Oh yeah, for sure.

Gene (26:59):
Tegos I haven't heard of anybody losing fingers with
Tegos.

Most people keep them fat, you know?

Gene (27:06):
Yeah, yeah, but I think they, yes, but it's not healthy
for him to be too fat, but it's,it is kind of, they're very
docile.
They're

For sure.
Yeah,

Gene (27:17):
They don't mind being touched and petted and they'll
actually sit on your lap.
Which is pretty cool.
And I, well, I don't know.
Did I tell you about one of mysnakes I got?
This is a pretty big one.

No, no, I didn't know that you,

Gene (27:30):
have a I have a reticulated python.

Okay, nice.
How big is she?

Gene (27:37):
So it's a he and he is 18 and a half feet long.

Oh, wow.
That's a big boy.

Gene (27:44):
Yeah.
Yeah, he's the females get alittle bigger.
They get over 20 feet.
But he is a, I, I've had himsince he was a baby.
I got him,

he knows you.

Gene (27:55):
he, he was three feet long when I got him.
And yeah, he thinks of me assafety, which is really kind of
cool.
So, if I open the door and, youknow, there's, there's a grocery
delivery or something there's hecan smell that there's Because
they got great sense of smell.
There's been somebody new.
He'll actually hide behind me.
Which is freaking hilarious.

(28:17):
Got a snake that basicallyscares most people half to
death.
And he is very very timid.
Mm hmm, mm hmm,

Yeah, so I think that most things,
especially if you nurture themyourself, they carry that
affection, but also they carrythat fear.
Throughout their entire life,and you're always a really big
thing to them.
I know this because This is howthey trained bears to wrestle
people in Dagestan.

(28:46):
They, they trained them frombirth.
And like, all they do,obviously, they file down their
claws and stuff, too.
But yeah, they, they, theytrained them from birth.
And it's a really cool thingthat I think that we as
Americans miss now because we'reso quick in our cultures,
there's hardly any of us outsideof people in Alaska, I would

(29:08):
say, that are actually stillconnected to the rugged
individualism lifestyle, youknow?

Gene (29:14):
yeah.
Maybe Wyoming or Montana, maybe.

yeah, because things are so far apart out
there, you know, your nextclosest hospital could be a
hundred miles.

Gene (29:24):
right.
No, that's true.
And I I've played with bears afew times.
I really like bears.
I wish I was well, and thismaybe I'll still do it someday
is if I have enough property, Iwould probably get a bear
because they are so damn human.
Like it's really amazing.
In fact, just today I post avideo on X and I said, do you

(29:47):
have the balls to do this?
And it's a video and it's awoman.
In fact, a woman that is withinabout a three foot reach.
Yeah.
Of a black bear who is sittinginside of a trash can looking
for food and she hands him apeanut butter and jelly sandwich

yeah, I saw that.

Gene (30:09):
and the bear takes it doesn't do anything to her and
he's very calm and then holds itwith one hand and eats it while
he's looking around.
I'm like, dude, I want that athome.
I want that critter.
That is so awesome.

That's

Gene (30:25):
know they can kill you, but so can my snake.
And I've had that for frickin 14years now.

so the only thing I would worry about is so
we talked about this before,like controlling the entire
environment.
And I think that in the, in thenorthern Russian environment,

Gene (30:47):
Mm hmm.

everybody and everything is so scarce up
there.

Gene (30:51):
Mm hmm.
Mm

The bears kind of have to do basically what
wolves did with us and turningthemselves into dogs.
Like they had to become moredocile in order to get like, if
you look at the video, that beartook that sandwich with the
utmost grace.
Grabbed the corner of it withlike just barely its mouth and

(31:14):
just ate a piece of it like itwas eating a regular sandwich.
It was adorable.

Gene (31:19):
it down.
Yeah, it looked like a personeating a sandwich.

Yeah.
Yeah.
He,

Gene (31:23):
a bear.

he had been socialized into being a human,
you know, so that's that's theonly thing I would worry about
is that, a bit bears here.

Gene (31:33):
too, between the the black bears in the U S and the black
bears in Russia and Siberia andstuff.

That's what I was going to

Gene (31:39):
they are, they're the same species, but they're a
subspecies really.
They're a little smaller ingeneral.
And they don't tend to be asaggressive just by default.
Like they're, they're, they havesuch free range and reign like
that.
Here, here's what happened inthe U S and I think U S bears
used to be identical.

(32:00):
When America expanded westwardwe did it with guns and we
pretty much killed everything.
You know, barely, barely sparinga few native Americans, but
killing most of them as well.
But whether you're a raccoon oryou're a beaver or you're a
bear, your pelt was valuable.

(32:21):
And so it wasn't even a matterof getting Only shooting at
bears that are trying to attackyou.
It was a matter of, Hey, let'sgo kill some bears and, you
know, bring back their pelts andthen leave all the meat and
stuff for, to just lie in theforest.
Like no one cared about that.
And so I think the onlysurviving bears we have left in

(32:41):
North America are the blackbears and the brown bears that
were evasive enough and cunningenough to.
Run away from people becausethey knew the danger that they
possess all the somewhatfriendly bears.
They all got killed and so thegenetics gets passed on to each
generation and when you're,you're basically forcing

(33:05):
evolution of the North Americanbear into a very different
animal than the one that we havein Siberia and the one that I
believe was originally here.
Because out there they're notjust You know, exterminated like
there's way more bears therethan Then people,

Yeah.
That's a good point.
Because in New Jersey, there's aton of bears, specifically black
bears, and they, they'repetrified of us.
Like you, you could just

Gene (33:33):
ones that are left all the friendly ones get shot.

Yeah, they they're very afraid of us.
And that's like, why like wherethe adage of just get really
big, start making loud noises,because they'll just run off
like cats.
It's really

Gene (33:49):
Although you don't want to do that with a cougar because
the cougar is actuallyinterested in you.
If you start doing that.

Yeah, that's correct.
Yeah, so I, I, I'm a really bigfan of cats.
I actually gave gave my wife aSavannah cat for her

Gene (34:05):
I love those.
Those are awesome.

for her, yeah, man, that thing could just flat
out jump nine feet in the air.
What

Gene (34:12):
to do a, didn't want to do a full on serval in F Zero?

Ah, no.

Gene (34:18):
I, my my ex wife's got one of those.
We she and I talked aboutgetting one, and then we ended
up getting divorced, and thenshe got one anyway.
Goddammit.
But I, I can't have them rightnow because the snakes because
they, they would not be friendlyto each other.

But also, at least she had to pick up the tab
for that, you know what I mean?

Gene (34:37):
yeah, yeah, yeah,

Cause that cost me a

Gene (34:40):
I'm sure my money paid for it one way or the other.
It's I have no illusions aboutthat.
I always say, you know, I gotdivorced like most men we split
everything 50 50.
She got all the stuff, I got allthe bills.
So it was pretty equitable.

Yep, yeah,

Gene (34:58):
That's usually

yikes.
Yep, sorry about that brother.

Gene (35:03):
no, it's all good.
It's all good.
And we're, you know, we'rereasonably friendly.
We'd, we'd probably talk acouple of times a year, you
know, on birthdays rolled aroundor something.
So it's it's been a while now.
Where I was going with that isyou know, the other animals that
I watch videos of on a regularbasis is this family that has a
pet Puma in Russia.

Okay, yeah,

Gene (35:24):
it is, it literally is just like having a giant house
cat.
The, the reactions, the sort ofway that he, you know, does
stuff, the, the fact that hesleeps for 20 hours a day.
It's just a big cat.
It's a totally big cat.
You have to have them whenthey're young and you have to

(35:45):
spend a lot of time with them toget them to treat you
differently from the way theywould treat any other person.
And like you have to be family,you can't be perceived as a
human or they, they thinkthey're humans, you know,
whichever way, but it's a, youhave to get past the amygdala

(36:07):
because if something happensthat just scares the shit out of
them, you don't want themreverting into, I'm going to
scratch you and attack you mode.

Yeah, that's, that's correct.
So that's what I was gonna say.
They are, they are, they'replaying with fire.
Because when you get to thepuma, now I've seen that puma,
that thing is really chunky.
It does not think of itself as anormal Puma, but again, we're,
we're talking about the theunderlying biological thought

(36:37):
processes that will occurunderneath strife, you know,
it's just going to revert backto what it knows.
Yeah, I think that they're, theyare definitely playing with
fire, especially because of howhow openly aggressive they allow
that.

Gene (36:52):
Mm hmm.

cat to growl at them.
Like with ours he was an, theyhave them in tiers.
So he was not an F zero.
He was an F one.

Gene (37:01):
F1.
Yeah, that's still pretty good,though.
That's just got great, greatlong legs, probably, still.

Oh yeah.
He was massive.
He was

Gene (37:07):
Mm hmm.

was every bit of 36 pounds.
He was about, yeah, he wasabsolutely massive.
But yeah, like they they are, hehad to eat like raw meat, like a
certain amount of times, likeper week.
They're very, very different.
I was like very cautious toconstantly like love on the cat

(37:31):
for sure, but also like I am thedominant figure in this
household.
We're not going to dominateanything.

Gene (37:38):
Right.
Right.

soon as that happened like he would like, He
started sleeping on my wife'shead.
And, oh my gosh.
It was it was over from therebecause she she caught on really
late to how dominant like thathis small tricks were and Then
he just started sort of wailingour scratching and then we had
to reset everything like oh mygosh But yeah, he was it was a

(38:02):
really cool experience likehaving exotic cuts in general
And i'm totally gonna gethammered for that.
They're totally gonna steal myblack card and I don't blame
them

Gene (38:14):
Huh.
Huh.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's, exotics are fun.
I think they're cool, and Yeah.
I, I would love a Puma.
I don't think I'm ever going toget one because you know, the,
the things live for quite awhile and I don't want to, I
don't want to be in a positionwhere I'm getting too old to

(38:34):
really watch out for what I'mdoing to make sure that the Puma
is cool with what I'm doing anddoesn't revert back to that
mode, but I, I enjoy watchingpeople that have them.
And there are guys like, I don'tknow if you ever watched the
line whisper.
It's a, is a guy in Africa is I,I, I, I'm assuming he's South
African or something, but he'she runs a large preserve of

(38:58):
lions and he is always walkingaround in the in the
territories.
So, they're not cages.
They're more like, you know, 10acres fenced in kind of areas.
So there's plenty of room, butthey keep the lines separated.
So they're not breeding all thetime.

right,

Gene (39:16):
and then they kind of control which, which pairs they
want to breed and stuff.
But he goes in and feeds themand pets them and plays with
them all these lions.
But they're, they're definitelynot pets.
They don't live in houses.
They, they live in thesepreserves.
They hunt there.
It's, it's actually way moreimpressive because they're.
He is in there with one of thelargest predators who is living

(39:42):
a fairly natural life, albeitwithin a 10 acre area, but
nonetheless, not somebody livingin somebody's house.
So it

I actually, I actually learned this from the
tiger king.

Gene (39:57):
Mm

Uh, cause I went to his place a bunch of
times when we lived in Texas.
Yeah.
When we lived in Texas, my wifeand I went to obviously long,
long before the,

Gene (40:08):
yeah, yeah,

documentary.

Gene (40:10):
No, I, I actually did too.
I, I just didn't connect it whenI started watching The Tiger
King.
But then eventually I was like,hold on, I gotta look at some
photos.
And I have photos and a video ofMike's wife sitting with a baby
tiger and petting

Yeah.
Yeah, we did the same thing.

Gene (40:25):
yeah, it was like, God damn man.
That's the same place.

Right.
So the same, the one thing thatwe learned was that tigers are
mean, naturally, becauseanything that's in their cage is
in their territory.
That's, that's grounds to playwith.
Lions don't care.
They're lazy as hell.
Like most of the time.

Gene (40:48):
like it.

Yeah, like especially the male lions, the
male lions are there forprotection.
They get up and they walk theperimeter twice a day.
So that's like the extent oftheir thing.
Most of the hunting is done bythe female lions.
They'll go out and hunt inpacks, but like the male line is
only there.
If another male lion is comingin to encroach on their
territory.
Right now, we've seen thelongest stretch of dominance for

(41:14):
a pack.
It was done by two different,two brothers on the African
plains.
Now both of the brothersprotected and patrolled this
large ass area, and they coulddo it because both of them were
absolutely enormous.
But they both fought together.
So I think the, the oldestbrother was Scar.

(41:35):
The, he had a one he had, heonly had one eye at the end.
But yeah, like they, it, itworked because the, the brothers
grew up together and they didn'thave any type of.
Competitive, whatever with eachother, they sort of patrolled
everything together to allowtheir bloodline to go.
But yeah, you can get a lionfrom, especially a male lion for

(41:57):
very early and it'll be fine,but tigers will just snap and be
mean.
They're very like hissy and

Gene (42:04):
a tiger is eight feet long.
That's, this is, it's thebiggest cat in the world,
literally.
And it's.
It is they're super cute andcuddly when they're little.
So you, you really, as somebodywho's a cat person, you do, you
definitely, you see them and youwant to play with them because
they're just

Oh yeah.

Gene (42:23):
but they grow up fast.
And I think the biggest cat thatI reasonably would have liked to
have had, but again, I thinkit's just too damn late.
I don't want to, at this stageof my life, it's not going to be
realistic, but it would havebeen a Puma.
Because I think a Puma is,definitely could kill you, but

(42:44):
He's not going to typically bekilling a human for food every
week.
Whereas a tiger does exactlythat.
If you look at Indonesiantigers, India, they literally
will just eat a person everyweek.
And that's, that's like you're,they see you and they see
basically a cow standing therechewing cud.

Yep.

Gene (43:07):
So it's,

why not Ocelot?
You don't, you don't think

Gene (43:10):
oh, ocelots are awesome.
They're, they're very cute.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's, that's That's probablyeasier than the Puma.
I could still do an Ocelot.
I think,

Yeah, and the only reason I'd say that is
because like it would takereally, really long for that
tiny ass neck to get around, youknow, kind of like, it's kind of
like eating an elephant for thatthing,

Gene (43:30):
Huh.
Exactly.
Yeah.
All of the Ocelots, I think, aresome of the prettiest cats out
there.
Their pattern is really nice.

Oh, yeah, they're gorgeous.

Gene (43:38):
yeah.
And, you know, they are asmaller, large cat.
So they're, they're going to beboth less dangerous, but, but
they can still scratch the hellout of you.

Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah.

Gene (43:49):
You know, they're, they're definitely more prone to
injuring people than servals arealso they're, I think, I don't
know if, I, I believe they'requite a bit more expensive too,
if you want to get one becauseyou're that legally supposed to
be exporting them out of, uh,Central America.

Well, you're untethered.
You're untethered.
So you know,

Gene (44:11):
exactly, exactly, but they are cool cats.
I do like ocelots.
I, you know, an ocelot is a coolcat.
A puma is holy shit.
I can't believe you have a puma,you know, or, or a I guess the
other one that I, I've watchedvideos that people have is a
leopard, but that's definitelymore dangerous because

Yeah, what the hell?

Gene (44:33):
They, they can easily snap your neck without too much
effort.
Like a Puma,

of the big cats, and they're the strongest
to like per pound.

Gene (44:44):
strong.
Yeah, exactly.

I wouldn't do that at all.

Gene (44:48):
but I've, you know, again, there are people that do it and
it seems and I'm not likespecifically looking for Russian
language cat videos, but I willsay.
That if you start searching forlarge, big cats, the, the place
where people seem to have alarge number of big cats as
pets, definitely seems to beRussia

Oh yeah, for sure.
They're more rugged people, Ithink, in general.
Especially the ones, and Iguarantee, although I don't know
this, I guarantee the closer youget to the Cold Arctic Circle,
that I'm so sure the closer youget the more and more people
have those big cats as pets.
I would think that the innercity people would probably have

(45:31):
way less

Gene (45:32):
yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, no, that's true.
You have to be out the ways, butagain, it's you're not going to
have one of those in New Jersey,but you might have one in Texas.
Yeah,

Well, yeah.
Legality reasons for

Gene (45:44):
well, yeah, yeah, that, well, that's the other thing.
Like I can't leave Texas becausethere's laws against moving my
snake out of Texas.

That's correct.

Gene (45:55):
So I'm, I'm stuck here.
I, thankfully I love Texas, butbut that is something that
happened.
Since I got them, is that they,they passed some new laws for
controlling large exotics likethat.

Yeah, so, nobody obviously wants to end up
like the Florida Everglades, but

Gene (46:15):
Yeah.

also, Florida has very large hog problems too,
so you would think that thosetwo things would sort of solve
themselves and become maybe justone problem, but they haven't.

Gene (46:28):
I think you know, unfortunately for the for the
alligators down there, I, Ithink the snakes are going to
win because they grow faster.
They reproduce more.
And the environment, thehumidity and the temperature is
perfect for them.
So Florida is going to be alosing battle to try and control

(46:51):
the Python population downthere.
They're, they're, they're atsome point, they're going to
have to recognize that a Pythonis now native species.
It didn't used to be, but it nowis.

they hunt them.
Yeah,

Gene (47:04):
do hunt them.
They hunt them all the time.
Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Gene (47:06):
but also pythons are going to be a lot less aggressive at
attacking cats and dogs andthings.
Then the alligators, because thealligators go for those
immediately.
Cause they see those as goodsnacks.

Little chicken, you know?

Gene (47:22):
yeah, yeah.
Any kind of small animal orchild they see as a that's
anything that could fit into agator's mouth is, is going to be
seen as food and all of thosethings, including small children
are.
And we've seen

are more calculated.

Gene (47:39):
Yeah.
Snakes are basically they're,they're ambush predators.
You know, they, they sit.
So they basically are halfasleep.
They're sitting somewhere forday or several days waiting for
somebody to walk by and thenthey'll strike and grab them and
eat them, but they're not goingto go, you know, sit there in
the water with your eyes abovewater, looking around for where

(48:01):
I'm going to get my food.
So it's, yeah,

period is very different to

Gene (48:07):
hmm,

like how they digest stuff.
And like snakes, I read thisstory, I forget it was a story
or a podcast at this point, butthis woman had kept a snake, but
she kept it out a lot.
And the snake would like sleepwith her a bunch.
And then she said All of asudden, the snake started acting
weird.
She was telling her therapistthe snake was, like, stretching

(48:28):
itself out over her as it slept.

Gene (48:30):
hmm.

The

Gene (48:33):
Oh, it's measuring you.

yeah.

Gene (48:36):
I know, that's such an old wives tale.
That's

Is that, so that's what I was gonna ask you
is that a thing?

Gene (48:41):
No, it's not a thing.
Snakes don't have any, look atthe size of their heads, man.
They don't have a brain that cancalculate the length of how long
you are.
No, no, no, that's, that's totalbullshit.
And I did have my python in mybedroom for a long time.
My bigger worry was that whileI'm asleep that I, he's going to
crawl up and I'm going to rollover on him and squish him.

(49:04):
So that that was always aconcern because I'd left him out
a couple of times when I fellasleep.
Generally, I try to put him intohis cage, but eventually I just
moved him to his own bedroom.
And so now he has a bedroom anda bathroom.
And he will, you know, go fromthe bedroom, go and then sit in

(49:26):
the bathtub, waiting for me toturn the shower on so he can
take a nice shower.
He likes that.
And it's funny too, cause heknows where to go and then he
just waits.
He basically will just sit thereuntil I notice that he's in
there and then turn the wateron.

oh, wow.

Gene (49:44):
But he also wanted probably the most impressive
thing I've ever seen him do ishe figured out how to open a
doorknob so he can open a doorand let himself out if he wants
to,

Wow.
Okay.
So my wife's cat used to do thesame

Gene (49:58):
yeah, yeah, and that's, it's the kind of thing that
people don't assume animals canfigure out, but you think about
it like a doorknob is made forthe most.
You know, the youngest child tofigure out how to use it's, it's
not exactly a complicated thing.
You don't, you don't have topunch in a bunch of numbers.
You just see a thing and you putpressure on one end of it and it

(50:19):
turns.
So that was kind of impressiveto, to see, but you know, for
the most part, it's like he'sasleep almost any time I walk by
him.
He's just sleeping.
And then if he's not sleeping,then he wants to be in the
bathtub and if he doesn't wantthat, then he's He's either
pooping or eating.

(50:39):
That's, that's his fourfunctions.
Sleeping, pooping, eating, ortaking a bath.

So do you do you experience or do you think
that he has care for you likelove?

Gene (50:52):
No, of course not.
That's not a thing.
No, no, no.
He, I think the best way I'vedescribed how I imagine he sees
me is I am a moving tree.
I serve the same purpose as atree for him.
He can climb on me.
He can hide behind me fordefensive purposes.
I, there, there's no feelingthere.

(51:14):
It's not a, it's not a packanimal.
It's not like a dog or a wolf orsomething.
So pack animals, lions, I guesswould be part of that too.
They experience more of afeeling of, you know,
camaraderie with the pack.
Whether it's a family or not afamily, you still get that
feeling.
Snakes are solo.
They're, they're more liketigers.

(51:35):
So they're, they're never gonnalive with other snakes.
They're only, only going to belooking out for themselves.
So in this case, I think he justknows the smell, probably
predominantly the smell of whathis home smells like.
And I'm a part of his home, sohe knows that I smell like his

(51:56):
house.
But also I, I don't treat himlike a dog or a cat, like I'm
not constantly trying to pet himor something.

Okay.

Gene (52:07):
I will pick him up if I want to bring him out of the
bathtub or put him in thebathtub, he hasn't been there in
a long time.
Because that's the other thing.
These things can go for threemonths without food, which is
insane.
And by go, I mean without evennoticing.
They could probably go sixmonths before they start dying,
but they'll go for three monthsvoluntarily sometimes, with

(52:31):
nothing really wrong with them.
They just don't want to eat fora while.
They can go for a week withoutdrinking.
Again, I'm not recommendingpeople don't give their snakes
water.
I'm just saying they have a veryslow metabolism that allows them
to have Infrequent opportunitiesat food and drink, which is why

(52:54):
in the wild they can sit therein ambush for a long time, days,
and you know, be in a somewhatsleepy state, but be able to
wake up when necessary to grabwhatever food is walking by.

right.

Gene (53:09):
But I just, I've always enjoyed watching you know,
animal, like I had huge fishaquariums in my office back
before I moved to Texas, I hadan office that had two walls
were pure whiteboard floor toceiling, and then the other two
walls I had huge aquariums in.
And so I, I really enjoyedwatching all the fish and the

(53:33):
the.
The crabs and other critters inthere and how they interact and
build little houses forthemselves.
It's, I enjoy that, but I thinkit's, it's kind of a interesting
to see life happening in frontof you.
And it's I know for a lot ofpeople, especially people that
these days are not having kids,they're having dogs and cats

(53:55):
instead.
Where they're basically treatingthose animals like they're
humans.
And I, I don't get that at all.
I'm like, that's not interestingto me.
I don't want to turn a pet intoa human.
I, I want to see what theirnatural instincts are.

Yeah, so I think that I totally agree with
you It's so so strange,especially like you take like
guys like Shannon Sharp It'svery big, huge black dude who
used to be a sports star, likehigh, high in the NFL, and then
he's like carrying around thistiny 10, 000 little pooch.

(54:34):
It's like, it's what the hell?
Yeah, it's but like it, I thinkthat it's like the culture likes
to emasculate black people orblack men,

Gene (54:45):
Yeah, I, I think that's, that is totally true.
It's, I think it's been a meme.
And I know um, uh, what's hisface?
It's a black comedian dude.
Who am I thinking of?

Kat Williams

Gene (54:57):
No,

or

Gene (54:59):
Younger.
Ah, what's his name?
He had this show.
The Chappelle.
Dave Chappelle.

Chappelle.

Gene (55:04):
So, Chappelle I had talked about how that there's this,
this seemingly desire toemasculate black men in
Hollywood.
And you know, you got a blackdude, you got to put them in a
dress.

Right.

Gene (55:21):
that's a requirement.
You can't have them be justcoming across purely.
And I think that that's veryreal because you see that all
the time.
So, you know, I'm glad youbrought us back to our topic of
the show here.
Cause we were talking about petsfor too damn long.
People don't, well, no, maybesome people want to hear about

(55:41):
their pets, but I

Hey, man.
No,

Gene (55:44):
but it's, it's the idea that you know, they, There,
there seems to be a dichotomy,and it seems like in music, in
rap, there's a glorification ofsort of thug life, but the
anytime that, that somebodystarts making it big, there's a

(56:09):
push to make them Softer and tokind of like do something to, to
have them be less masculine.
I don't know.
I, I, maybe I'm not describingit very well,

no, no, no.
You're just, you're describingit.
Well, yeah.
So I'll just add context tothat.
If you look at if you look atlike where rap started and what
rap is, who rappers are, they'reangry individuals who are
usually from very, very poorbackgrounds who are not being
treated correctly by the system.
Right?

(56:44):
Rap is right.
Rhythm and poetry, right?
That's what rap stands for,right?
So, those guys telling theirreal stories is like in bondage
to other people.
Now, you have other things likebattle rap where you're battling
your skills against somebodyelse's skills, but that's a very

(57:04):
small subset of what rap is.
Now, for rap to quote unquotecross over to the mainstream, It
has to lose all of theaggressiveness, it has to only
talk about pussy money and weed,it has to only to, like you

(57:25):
said, emasculate black people ormake them softer.
So like, when they cross over tothe pop charts in order to quote
unquote be more famous orwhatever, they they sort of have
to soften themselves.
It sort of takes away from whatrap really is.
If you listen to Kendrick Lamarrap on Taylor Swift on the

(57:48):
Taylor Swift track and youlisten to him rap in, on his own
album, it sounds like acompletely different person.
know, they have completelydifferent struggles.
You don't hear about the streetkid who was.
His father almost got killed byhis music producer,

Gene (58:07):
you know, rap has definitely changed a lot in the
years that I've seen like therap that I listened to when I
was young was like run DMC, youknow, it was God, I'm trying to
think of who else but, but, but,but grandmaster flash my beats,
the boys were pretty early on.
It was, it was a, it was at apoint where the legitimacy of.

(58:30):
Rap to be included with musicwas still a question,

Right.
It was still trying to breakinto And so what you were just
describing like those types ofgenres of music were honestly
what?
Allowed it to help break into

Gene (58:48):
Mm hmm.

more mainstream culture, but it was
not necessarily what raporiginally started as like
people talk telling theirstories like of hardship.
So even that is kind of like a,I hate to use the term
whitewashing, but like a white,a whitewashing of rap.

(59:10):
In order

Gene (59:11):
yeah,

show, show, or sell that to the mainstream
media.

Gene (59:15):
Well, and what about N.
W.
A.?
You know, I think they were,they were a little later, but
the, the lyrics were definitelyaggressive, and they got the old
parental advisory sticker onthere but I, I also feel like
they were, they were betterproduced, you know, like the

(59:35):
musically speaking than some ofthe other guys early in the
eighties.

so that's where I think that not that it
started here, but this is whatO'Shea talks about where Jews
started to get involved in musicproducing a lot, and especially
on the rap side and fundingthose people.
And so they are, they started tofund certain sounds, people who
spoke certain lyrics in acertain way.

(01:00:04):
So like that sort of devolvedinto what we have now, but
obviously back in their day itwas very, very different.
But yeah, I agree with you thatthey were much better produced,
but I also think that it wasbecause it was 100 percent the
actual music producers taking achance white guys taking a
chance on Those guys and that'slike sort of what put it on the

(01:00:28):
map

Gene (01:00:30):
Yeah.
And then back when when WillSmith back as the French, the
fresh Prince before he startedslapping people around.
You know, he was doing a more, Ithink more of that eighties kind
of rap sound where it was, itwas a combination of the, the
rhythmic poetry, but also with amessage of Of trouble of some

(01:00:56):
type, you know, something isn'thappening.
Something, something's bad.
It's just you didn't have awhole lot of happy rap, I guess
is my point.

Ni**arificEnergy (01:01:03):
So it looks like I think I forget what that
style of rapping is called.
I know that in comedy it's um,What what style is jerry
seinfeld?
I forget the anyway

Gene (01:01:22):
a rich man, it's a style of a rich guy.

That's hilarious no just like uh

Gene (01:01:30):
to get syndication money.
Huh.

For sure.
He is raking it in like crazy.

Gene (01:01:36):
Yeah.

but a guy who just like basically does comedy
about real life,

Gene (01:01:40):
Oh yeah, yeah,

about, yeah, so yeah, that's like the kind of
rap music that Will Smith madehis biggest hit was Summertime,
talking, talked about himselfgoing down trying to pick up
girls and stuff yeah that's herapped about moments that
everybody could basically

Gene (01:01:58):
Yeah.
And I, I remember buying his CDin the eighties and, and
thinking this is pretty cool.
And you know, I think that Icertainly would not have
predicted that he would becomenot just a TV star, but then
eventually a huge movie startoo.

Yeah, it's weird when I listen to
interviews about him, he's oneof the most tragic stories I
think in a black, like for blackpeople,

Gene (01:02:28):
Hey, he married the wrong woman.

Yeah.
Oh my gosh.
They, Oh.
Ooh.
Wow.
Yeah.

Gene (01:02:35):
She, he married a witch man.

She's, she's terrible.
But also who knows.
Right.
So I always think of it likethis.
So, I know a lot of people whoare in dom sub relationships.
It, if, when they talk to meabout

Gene (01:02:51):
Hold up.
You said, you know, a lot ofpeople in those interesting.

Yeah.
So like when I talked to their,like the guys, like their women
were so wild before they likegot into those like style of
relationships and they talked tome about it mellows them out.
And when you ask the woman,they're like, Oh, I have a clear
direction.
This is what I do.
This is what I have to do.
Like before, like I had no ideawhat the heck was going on.

(01:03:17):
Right.
So I think that like Kierkegaardsaid, anxiety is the dizziness
of freedom.
So like they had too muchchoice.
So that sort of just freakedthem out.
So I think that

Gene (01:03:29):
Yeah.
But it, it, I, I could see that,but I think kirker guard's
putting it through a very Nordiclens.
Because for a lot of places,the, the excess freedom was
immediately put to good use andnobody sat around worrying about
anything.

I don't, yeah, I don't disagree with you on
that.
And I think that he mostly meantit in our modern society in that
there are a multitude of choicesthat people have.
Like your cell, like people'scell phone can do almost
anything, but people don't useit to do the right things.

(01:04:07):
They will sit there in theirapartments, sad that they're not
rich with more technology thatthey use to get to the moon.
And they're like trying tofigure out the life and it's
what the heck is going on?
Maybe get off Facebook and usethat thing for something else.
And

Gene (01:04:23):
agree with you, but keep in mind, Kierkegaard was
actually modern in the sense ofpre American revolution or pre
American civil war.
I think he died in mid 1850s andhe was a fucking depressive man.
Like he was diagnosablydepressive.
So I, and he wrote a lot ofbrilliant things.

(01:04:44):
I, I actually like Kierkegaardwhen I read him in college, but
but it's indisputable that likea lot of people that got into
philosophy and I was hisphilosophy major by the way.
But a lot of people that gotinto philosophy in the 1800s.
They were all lost boys.

Yeah.
I didn't know you were aphilosophy major.
That's pretty cool.
I was not a philosophy major,but I was taught, like I did my,
I basically did a minor inreligious studies, but my
religious teacher.
Was the philosophy major.
So like he, he just broughteverything through that lens.
That's like where I learnedphilosophize this.

(01:05:25):
I don't know if you watched thatthat show, but that he walks
through every single major andminor philosopher from the start
all the way.
So now it's a really, reallygreat show.
Talked about it.
Adam West is really, really well

Gene (01:05:41):
on YouTube

It is on YouTube, but it's like kind of
sparsely there.
I would go on Spotify.

Gene (01:05:51):
Oh, okay.
Oh, it's a podcast.

Twitter.
Yeah, it's a podcast.
It's a podcast and it's onlyabout 30 minutes.
It's not like a deep dive intowho they were.
It's just like a deep dive intowhat they brought in their
contribution to philosophy fromlike Kogito, Kogito Ergosum, all
the way to like modernphilosophers now and gives you

(01:06:13):
the history of.
How we got, how we even got to,I think, therefore I am, because
there are, there were amultitude of people who just
clearly were not even thinking,and they didn't view themselves
as an individual, they viewedthemselves as a part of a
fiefdom, or a part of whateverkingdom that they were in, and

(01:06:36):
they sort of, that their, theenlightenment that people went
through when they realized that

Gene (01:06:45):
that's just going to interrupt you and say, here's
the reality is most people arenot individuals.

Correct.
Yeah, I agree.

Gene (01:06:52):
We'll die in the absence of a group.
They don't know what it reallyis because the, the, the
unattractive or the difficultside of individualism is the
responsibility for the entiretyof the whole world on your
shoulders.
It's, this is, this is Atlas,that's the individual and most

(01:07:18):
people like the idea as aconcept, but are willfully
unprepared for what thatactually means.

Yeah, no, I agree.
And I also think of that forpeople in our own community,
like even in the Libertycommunity.
I don't think that the vastmajority of those people are
ready for what could possiblyhappen, like how bad things
could be.
And it's it's, it's real weird,man.
It's it's funny.
I keep thinking of the, the funphrase.

(01:07:50):
From the video you showed me,it's all LARPing until it isn't.
It's

Gene (01:07:54):
Right.

it is, it's all

Gene (01:07:57):
it is.

all practice until it's not.
And then like we woke up todayand There was like the I don't
know if we've confirmed or not,if it was a cyber attack or not,
but like the cell phones, yeah,or whatever like that kind of
stuff.
And I was like talking, I sentthat to my wife and I said, this
has been a test of theemergency.

(01:08:19):
We are not prepared enoughsystem.

Gene (01:08:22):
Yep.

We could have woke up and lost all cell phone
service, and we don't havecomms, I don't have any of my
gear, we have,

Gene (01:08:32):
Where's your gear, man?

haha, in Texas,

Gene (01:08:35):
Huh.

I'm not gonna say what I have because I don't
want anybody following me, youknow, but we would have been
like, Literally royally screwedwe would have survived for a
little bit longer than theaverage person But like man,
that was like a a really bigwake up and like it's all I
think it's only going to getworse in As the election gets
closer.

(01:08:56):
I think we were actually hitwith a cyber attack Let me see
if I can pull this up a littlebit after that.
But yeah, I think that cyberattacks are like a really big

(01:09:18):
Thing that nobody really istalking about.
I think there was like aCalifornia company that got
taken over by a gang of peopleand they destroyed like a bunch
of different things called like18 million worth of damage in 15
minutes.
It's

Gene (01:09:33):
Mm hmm.

that can happen at any time, like
nobody's like our foodprocessing centers are being
blown up.
Maybe,

Gene (01:09:43):
It's,

catching on fire.
We'll say that they're catchingon fire for sure.

Gene (01:09:46):
there's, yeah, there's definitely some explained things
there.
Well, you know, my my co hostBen on Just Two Good Ol Boys.
You know, that's what he doesfor a living is he is in the, in
the cyber and physical securityspace.
And he's talked about it in afew of the episodes at, at more

(01:10:07):
detail, but but it's, hisbackground is really coming from
like the energy industry.
And protecting the power plantsand you know, gas and oil
station, substation, all thatstuff.
My background from the 15 yearsago, I used to do that.
I, I worked in cybersecurityactually.

(01:10:30):
Designed the security operationscenter for Ameriprise financial.
And then was a consultant ondesign of the one for Target
Corp.
Did a few projects at Target andactually, but I kind of got out
of that because I, it, it wastoo depressing.
Because you're constantlydealing with.
Like, where's the next attackcoming from and where the risks

(01:10:52):
vector is going to be.
And, you know, like you're,you're always battling to get
more money to prepare forsomething that may not happen.
Kind of sounds like prepping,right?

Right,

Gene (01:11:03):
Except imagine that as a career.
So,

yeah.

Gene (01:11:07):
so I, at some point after getting to a level where I was
managing more and more people, Ijust said, yeah, I'll do, I'll
just do the managing part.
So that's why I kind of.
shifted away from security andstarted focusing on operations
management and consulting andfocusing on getting companies
more profitable rather thanprotecting their, their

(01:11:29):
security.

Yeah.
I think that it's a, it's reallytough because how much
preparation does one reallyneed?
You don't know until you'rethere, and then you're wishing
that you had more, no matter whoyou are, or, you know what I
mean?
So I, I, I think that peoplejust, people try to make

(01:11:52):
excuses, but I try not to dothat.
The cyber attack I was talkingto you about says, from breaking
9 1 1 pharmacies across thecountry are reporting delays to
prescription owners due to acyber attack

Gene (01:12:06):
Mm hmm.

health, one of the largest healthcare
technology companies.
So I think that a lot of ourinfrastructure that we rely on
is.
is very vulnerable.
My wife, my wife is like, how doyou know we wouldn't get out of
here?
I said, we don't have enoughdiesel in the truck.

(01:12:29):
And she said, we don't haveenough diesel.
I said, Yeah, all the pumps areelectric.
You try to go to a gas station.

Gene (01:12:35):
Mm hmm.

First off, it's a dangerous place to go
anyway, because everybody'sgonna be going there.
But secondarily, like all thosepumps run on electric electric
shit.
So, you're not getting anything.

Gene (01:12:47):
No, no.
Your best bet is to steal fuelfrom other cars.

right, right.

Gene (01:12:54):
So, have you got one of those pumps?

Oh!

Gene (01:12:58):
You may want to pick one up if you don't.

hey, I'm I'm trying, I'm getting like, I'm
getting a list together, youknow?

Gene (01:13:06):
I know.

Yeah, no Yeah, no, like any, any advice is
definitely helpful, but yes, Iwill

Gene (01:13:11):
so you can haul more shit now, so that's good.

Ha ha ha ha ha ha I already had a trailer, I
just didn't have as nice of atrailer as like that one, yeah,
yeah, yeah.
So like now,

Gene (01:13:22):
axle.

yeah, single axle.
And it was like, it's leafspring.
It's still so not, not the same,not the same at all.
It's only rated to carry, Ithink a little under 5, 000
pounds.
This one is, has a 10, 000 poundrating, double axle, torsional

Gene (01:13:40):
what's your, what truck do you have?
What, what's the capability onthat?

I have a Ford excursion.
I have the six.
6.
0 diesel?
Yeah, and then I had the enginerebuilt.

Gene (01:13:50):
Okay.

Yeah, because the 6.
0, I don't know if you knowabout engines or not, the 6.
0, the thing that makes themunreliable is that they were
bolted in with four boltsinstead of six, so what they do
is they just like basically takeyour head off, they take
basically your whole top of yourengine block off, and then then
they re thread those bolts withmore with more bolts, and then

(01:14:16):
Then it gets a little bittighter steel, and you're
allowed to do a lot of differenttuning.
I don't know if you've seen avideo of my truck, like I have a
really fancy tuner on my truck,so I can like, go highway mode,
tow mode, tow at differentcapacities, tow at different
weights and stuff.

(01:14:36):
I have front and locking,differentials built on.
It's really, really nice.

Gene (01:14:43):
Nice.
Yeah, no, send me a link.
I'll check it out.

Yeah, I'm, I'm building the truck myself.
So it's just like a bunch ofreally cool parts that I'm just
putting together for, for anapocalypse vehicle.

Gene (01:14:54):
Yeah.
So like something based on the1990s or earlier?

Yeah.
So it's the platform is a well,it's an excursion, but like the
platform is basically a Ford Fthree 50.
So it's it's built like a tank Ican tow 25, 000 or more pounds.
Yeah, like it's, it's really,really nice.
And so I'm going to get theinterior redone.

(01:15:21):
But mostly I'm doing the out theexterior right now.
Maybe I will put somebulletproof plates.
Maybe, maybe not.
We'll see.

Gene (01:15:32):
buy some of that Elon glass.

Yeah.
So what I'm thinking of now ishe's already set the bar for

Gene (01:15:38):
Yeah, 9mm should not be able to go through your car.

not bulletproof.
Right.
Not bulletproof.
But bullet to turn for such athin sheet, that's not bad.

Gene (01:15:49):
Well, and this is the, that's

no problem.

Gene (01:15:51):
That's the trick to it, right?
Is that people think it waslike, well, how can such thin
metal protected from having abullet hit?
Well, because the metal bendsand you're, you have more room
to absorb and dissipate theenergy of that round.
Then.
Then you do, if that was a, likea three inch by three inch piece

(01:16:11):
of the same metal where the ninemillimeter probably would have
gone through.

that's and level five plates, you can they
are, I believe they are, like,small individually squared in
the back.
So, if a bullet hits the samespot, even, it'll still get
still get stopped.
So, yeah there's, there's abunch of cool things I have
ideas to put.
But on there, but the biggestidea that I have is whoever I'm

(01:16:40):
hoping that before I leave.
Trump picks his VP and it's thefake because I'm going to get,

Gene (01:16:47):
There's no way

know, I know, let me dream.
Come on, come on, buddy, be myfriend.

Gene (01:16:54):
I would love for it to be vague.
I'm just being more realistic.

I know, I know, I know.
I've been telling people thesame thing.
Someone asked the question ofwho do they want to be the pick
or who do they think Trump willpick?
And like everyone said, the fakeis no, you're picking the thing
that you want to have happen.
The thing that's going to happenis he's going to pick someone
who's really awful.

Gene (01:17:15):
Yeah.

And it's going to be

Gene (01:17:18):
I think there's a, like an over 90 percent chance it's
going to be a woman because youwant to have as a VP
historically.
You want to have somebody thatdoesn't completely overlap your
base, they have to bring adifferent base.
So for Trump last time, the nonoverlapping base was the you

(01:17:40):
know, the, the uber conservativereligious

right, right,

Gene (01:17:44):
It was, it was the, the, what's, it's they're not just
Baptists, but they're like,

Evangelicals.

Gene (01:17:51):
yeah, evangelicals.
There you go.
So he was he didn't have thatcovered.
And by bringing in the VP whowas completely in that area,
then he was able to garner thosevotes.
My argument was always, well,who the fuck are they going to
vote for otherwise?
I would not have botheredbringing that person in because

(01:18:12):
like they have a choice.
What are they going to vote forDemocrat?

No, I, I completely agree with you.
And the, the way Democrats runtheir party is they will just,
they'll just push anybody theywant to on anybody.
And you can see that as likewith Biden, like they'll just,
they're just going to allow,they're just going to get Biden
choked down their throats again,and they didn't want him in the

(01:18:36):
first place.
So it's like hilarious to methat Republicans don't just play
the same game.
Vivek is obviously from not onlya social media perspective, but
from a, he can protect his selfperspective.
Like he, he actually knows howto fight for Trump harder than
Trump knows how to fight forhimself.

Gene (01:18:57):
does.
But

So it's

Gene (01:18:58):
And that's one of the reasons I think Trump won't have
them in there is because Vivekis a better Trump than Trump.

right.

Gene (01:19:06):
it's almost like you're picking a VP who is more
qualified than the president.

Okay.
Yep.

Gene (01:19:13):
which brings the question of well, why isn't the VP, the
guy that's president then?

Right.

Gene (01:19:20):
So, and the reality, the answer for that is because
Trump's got name recognition andthere's a lot of people that,
and I've been to Trump ralliesin the past and stuff.
And you know, he's a bigshowman.
He's very good at that stuff.
People want him.
They will vote for him.
They gravitate towards him.

(01:19:41):
On purely emotional basis.
Whereas Vivek, those of us thatreally like him don't use
emotion for that.
Like I, I'd rather not have akind of a skinny Indian dude as
president, but the fact that hisintellect and his message like

(01:20:03):
overweighs the physical Look andmakes me say, yeah, he's
definitely the best guy for thejob based on what he says and
how smart he is.
But with Trump, there are peoplethat just.
You know, he's going to fightfor us.
Well, what the fuck does thatmean?
I don't know what that means.
What does he's going to fightfor us mean?

(01:20:23):
He picked a bunch of bad peopleto come into his administration.
The last time he put two, let'sbe fair.
They're basically Democrats thatare religious and therefore.
Somewhat acceptable toconservatives.
He put two of those on theSupreme Court.
People are saying, Oh, I can'tbelieve these, these Republicans
are not voting with the otherRepublicans on the court.

(01:20:45):
That's because they were neverRepublicans.
They were, they were religiousDemocrats.
They were people that didn't fitin with the Democrats because
they're Catholics.
Or whatever.
And therefore you get exactlywhat you should.
And that's why they're not goingto do diddly shit to reduce
Trump's ridiculous New Yorksentence of what is it?

(01:21:06):
300 million or something?
380 million.
They're not going to step intothat quagmire because they have
they're, they actually thinkthat probably that court is
correct.
The only thing that made them atall, and I, you know, obviously
I'm talking about Amy ComeyBarrett and then I forget the
other guy's name.
The only thing that made them atall sellable to conservatives is

(01:21:29):
the religiosity.
That's it.
If you took the religion away,that person had no business
being the nominee of aRepublican president.

bro.
You know, what's so funny aboutthis?
If they don't come in and likestep in and here's why I think
that they ultimately will comein and step in and save it
because it has nothing to dowith Trump.
The the REI groups that I'm in,like the, all the real estate
groups that I'm in arepanicking.

(01:21:59):
They are like, it's like, howthe heck are we going to, yeah.
And like people who are not, notRepublicans, people who hated
Trump are like.
I need to be able to eat.
So what is reality here?

Gene (01:22:19):
Yeah.

So yeah, it's

Gene (01:22:21):
Well, that's what Kevin O'Leary was saying, is that
this, this, this basicallypaints the entirety of
developers with the same brush.
But,

Yeah, he hit the nail on the head.
I

Gene (01:22:33):
but here's why I

I watched both, both of his interviews.
He hit the nail

Gene (01:22:36):
I, I like Kevin, I, I think he is, uh.
Uh, he's an interestingcharacter.
Even though he's Canadian, Ialways, I always hold it against
the Canadians for being Canadiana little bit.
You gotta

don't think, I don't think he wants to be
Canadian either.

Gene (01:22:51):
No, no, I don't, I don't, I don't think he does.
But, but you know, I grew up inMinnesota, which is right on the
border of Canada, so Canada iskinda like another state.
So there's always that rivalrybetween, you know, the
neighbors, neighbor statesthere.
So I always like to make fun ofthe Canadians.
Anyway, where I was going withit is I think that, that the

(01:23:17):
Democrats have put out enoughmessaging to basically confirm
what the Republicans alwayssuspected, which is that nobody
else needs to worry.
Nobody else will be gone afteron the same basis of improper
valuations.
We are purely going on a witchhunt against an individual here.

(01:23:38):
He's the only one that's evergoing to get indicted on this
charge.
Nobody else will.
And I think that's probablytrue.
It's, it confirms what.
What I think people on theRepublican side have been
saying, which is, it is just awitch hunt and they're trying to
utilize any means necessary tokeep them off being the
president.

(01:23:59):
But but that has, you know, bothelements there.
It's, it's, they're somewhatadmitting to it, not directly,
but indirectly admitting to itbecause they're trying to
reassure people that.
No, we're not going to uprootthe way that we charge people
with these laws.

so, I'm only speaking on a it's anecdotal,
but it's a very

Gene (01:24:23):
Mm hmm.

group of people.
It's literally thousands andthousands of people in this
group.

Gene (01:24:28):
hmm.

So, it's, I think that that cry fell on deaf
ears.
Yeah.
I think that they're the peoplewho the money going into so like
most wholesalers have to sellthat to another wholesaler or a
person who's trying to developthat area.
All of those people have justdried up all of those contracts.

(01:24:52):
So like the only thing they haveto do is just keep saying no,
and they have been so like it's,it's not is.

Gene (01:24:59):
But, but that's, that doesn't mean the Supreme Court
is going to step in though.
It doesn't mean the SupremeCourt is going to step in.
What it means is that they mayend up, they meaning New York,
New York may end up having some.
After the fact renegotiatedbullshit stuff come up that kind

(01:25:24):
of puts this into, I like, Idon't think New York wants this
to go to the Supreme court.
Because they're not prepared todefend it.
Because their defense is, it'sTrump.
That's their defense.

I'm not sure.

Gene (01:25:38):
You think they're, they're, they want this to go to
the Supreme Court?

so to a certain degree, the people who
are in charge, they have to playtheir roles, right?
Also in the same way that, didyou see, or did you happen to
hear Joy Reid on her hot mic?
She was like, Biden's startinganother fucking war.
Like at the end, yeah, yeah.
At the end of one of her

Gene (01:26:04):
not hear that.

Yeah, at the end of one of her segments,
yeah, yeah, yeah, she said, I'llsend it to you, she said,
Biden's starting another fuckingwar, and that, that was the
small clip that you heard, andlike, We, we can't discount the
fact that Mayor Adams knows fora, that he is on a unsustainable

(01:26:26):
path.
You can't discount that he cansay whatever he wants to in the
public, and he is flip floppedon that issue.
Several times, but I think thathe is begging for a higher power
to come in and, and quell thecraziness and for it not to be
on him.

(01:26:47):
So I think that there's, to acertain, yeah, to a certain
degree, he, he would beabsolutely absolved because he
came after Biden.
Right.
And then immediately after that,he was investigated.

Gene (01:27:02):
Mm hmm.
Mm hmm.

If the Supreme court steps in, they completely
fix his city, but also absolvehim of any of the quote unquote,
seemingly wrongdoing that thatwill happen.
But like the biggest thing isthat New York will not New York
will die.
Like it's already lost.

(01:27:27):
I think one and a half trilliondollars since.
In business since the pandemic,and there's no new businesses
growing there.
So, if you decentivizecapitalists, which they, they
have,

Gene (01:27:46):
Yeah.

real estate runs way more than people think.
Your doctor's office has to payrent to a real estate office.
To a real estate person.
Like people don't like, it'slike everybody runs off of those
people.
That's why they're all there.

Gene (01:28:02):
And I would love nothing more than to see New York fail
and become a San Francisco.
I think that would vindicate alot of my positions in, in that
this is what happens when youguys you know, don't, don't take
into account market forces.
But I also feel like New York isalso one of those places has

(01:28:25):
been corrupt for so long thatthey even know how to get around
that,

Yeah.

Gene (01:28:32):
you know?

It's tough.
I have a bunch of people who arethere who are Democrats.
Who are still drinking the KoolAid.
They, they blame racism and allthis other stuff.
And of course I ask them, okay,well, your police chief's black.
All, most of the police officersare black.
Your mayor's black.
All the people vote Democrat.

(01:28:53):
All the schools are people whoare, that's another thing.
Like all the schools are run byDemocrats.
The one party has run.
Public education for 100 years,50, 100 years, and black people
are reading at a 17 percent like17 percent of black people are

(01:29:17):
reading at their grade level inthe country.
And in New York, it's at 11%.

Gene (01:29:25):
Jefferson Davis had slaves that read better.

Right.
Oh, it's, it's, I'm so glad youbrought that point up.
That's so hilarious.
But yes like I've, I've tried toexplain it to my mom.
I said like she she was askingme earlier, like what I was
doing.
So I was telling her I was goingon a podcast and stuff and
telling her the topics.
And so I asked her to give me adefense.

(01:29:49):
I said.

Gene (01:29:50):
Mm hmm.

She said, you better not go on there talking
all crazy about black people.
I said, okay, mom, I will allowyou to give me a defense of the
NAACP.

Gene (01:30:05):
Huh.

So like the NAACP was started in 1909.
And give me a defense for thenational organization for the
advancement of colored peopleand she just could not do it.
And I said, you see why youcan't do

Gene (01:30:21):
Dude, that, that organization is as bad as the
ADL.
It,

Oh, it's awful.

Gene (01:30:25):
it's, it's horrible.
And like all these groups arethe same in nature, which is
they completely neglect the factthat people that do hard work
become successful, not becauseof the color of their skin or
their religion, but because oftheir actions.
And so consequently, they'refocusing on the exact opposite

(01:30:49):
of that, which is everything hasto do, are you a Jew?
Are you black?
Well, that's why you're gettingscrewed.
No, that's not why you'regetting screwed.
You could, you're, you're proofof that.

Oh, for sure.
Yeah, I said any defense thatyou could have given.
I said, even if you gave thebest defense for the NAACP, I
would challenge you by sayingwhy a little more than 100 years
later, did a organization haveto be called Black Lives Matter?
Because they felt like theirlives didn't matter to the

(01:31:26):
regular public and regularpeople.
So in any, in any sense that youcould, anyone could defend the
NAACP, they have failed in theirmission by the.
Acceptance and driving up andthe creation of BLM.
And so what's going to happenand what is black activism going

(01:31:48):
to look like in the next hundredyears?
That's that's the thing that'sscary to me because it's we
could, I think that we'reprobably going to fuck our way
out of existence anyway.
Most of the successful ones,most of the successful ones are
not going back to.
Their own culture in their ownrace to, to remarry.

(01:32:11):
So it's, it's kind of just likethe eventually most of the
people are going to just be anamalgamation of every, every
race.
I think that'll happen longbefore like blacks as a, as a
whole would collapse, have a

Gene (01:32:27):
Well, I, I think, yeah, I think you're right.
But also, what I mentioned atthe very beginning of the
episode, which is if you look atthe vast majority of black
people in the United Statestoday, they have a good
percentage of their genes comingfrom white people.
And it's because You know, it'sbeen like 160 years since the

(01:32:53):
the civil war.
So there's been a lot of peopleeven before the civil war,
frankly, like Thomas Jefferson,but there's been a lot of people
that have fallen in love, hadrelationships or just had sex.
And then the baby as a result ofit from interracial
relationships.
And and that's.

(01:33:13):
That's not a secret.
Like you go into any mall andyou look at the the variants and
gradients of skin tone of ofblack teenagers sitting around.
And it, it, it's a vastlydifferent than what you even get
in Jamaica, which is not Africa,by the way, but at least it's a
more homogenized society whereblack people tend to marry black

(01:33:36):
people and have kids with black.
You know, it's like the, theNorth not, not North America,
but the, the America and theUnited States.
Average black person hasprobably got somewhere between
20 and 40 percent non Africangenes in them.

Yeah.
That's I honestly, that's why Irun so slow.
That's I've actually isolatedthose genes and,

Gene (01:34:02):
I thought it was because you like exotic animals.

they're all my problems.

Gene (01:34:08):
It's I can't outrun them, I'm just going to be friends
with them.

Yeah, that's

Gene (01:34:13):
I got you figured out.

the expensive part.
You know that I don't like thatpart of myself.
Those, those animals were crazyexpensive.

Gene (01:34:23):
They are, yeah, that's true.

but they're awesome.
I'd have them again.

Gene (01:34:27):
Huh, that's fun.
Yeah, so, I mean I guess let'sget to the solution part of it
or get to the, what are, whatare the next steps?

Let's go.

Gene (01:34:42):
it's a there's a lot of questions, I guess.
What, which one do we want tofocus on?
Cause I, it seems to me likewe're going backwards and I've
said this before.
From what I recall in theeighties and the relationships
between black kids, white kids,and certainly even going into
college, but certainly in juniorhigh and, and, and high school,

(01:35:03):
there was zero value placed onwhat somebody's race was at all.
It just like I had Asianfriends, I had black friends, I
had, well, I had one blackfriend, but but you know, it,
it, it was.
It was not something that likewhat you always see in the
movies is the story of the whitekid that has this black friend

(01:35:27):
or black girlfriend or whatever,and then he invites her home and
the parents are like, Oh my God,we can't believe you invited a
black person.
That never happened in myexperience and I lived in pretty
white suburbs, you know, it wassuburbs of Minneapolis.
Like the outer suburbs where itwas brand new homes and brand
new schools and stuff.
And I just really didn't feellike there was any kind of a

(01:35:52):
racial differentiation beingmade.
I didn't feel like the parentsof the, the, my black buddy were
treating me any differently.
Yeah, everybody's just kind ofthe same,

So in that regard, we have a lot of ways to
go for sure.

Gene (01:36:11):
but are we going in the wrong direction is my point
first, cause it feels like weare.

So maybe we might be going in the wrong
direction, but it could alsojust be like the pendulum thing.

Gene (01:36:24):
Mm

Blacks are moving more towards trying to
foster independence,

Gene (01:36:31):
hmm.
Mm hmm.
Mm hmm.

sorry, foster collectivism, and Then
eventually they'll swing backtowards more individualistic
societies in theirindividualism.
They will see themselves asAmericans, like in, in any time,
like we get attacked or we areat war or something like that,

(01:36:54):
people see themselves asAmericans first.
So I think that like they willlead the collectivist we are
victims hood group immediatelywhen they have just cause to.
Come back.
I just think that we have togive people the right causes to
come back.
The hard thing about that isfrom a historical standpoint and

(01:37:18):
you're you've read a lot ofhistory.
When has it ever been thatpeople have been brought
together outside of times ofwar?

Gene (01:37:29):
Yeah, I, I think times of war certainly forced that issue,
but I also think that it's notlinear.
I guess this is my point is it,it, it's not like we start at
slavery and we're movingcontinuously in the direction of
treating everybody the way thatUm, uh, God, what's the name?

(01:37:50):
I'm blanking out Martin LutherKing's dream speech where, you
know, you, you, your kids arenot judged by the color of their
skin, but by their achievements,it feels like we were moving in
that direction.
And in the nineties, we startedbacksliding and we started
placing a greater emphasis onsomebody's genetics than on

(01:38:11):
their achievements.
And that in a lot of ways feelsextremely like I feel like it's
degrading for black people, butalso other people that are put
in that bucket because you'reeffectively saying, well, you're
incapable of competing with the,the other people that are

(01:38:34):
successful.
It's kind of like why we havewomen's sports, right?
Why do we have women's sports?
It's because women would lose tothe men if they had to compete
in the same sports for mostsports.
Maybe golf's a little different.
I don't know.
Maybe there's a few othersports, but for the most part,
if you have combined teams ofmen and women, women are going

(01:38:54):
to lose.
So we have a women's league.
Now, we, we used to have a NegroBaseball League.
I think that's what it wascalled.
And I went to the museum inKansas City.
For that.
And and what, what becameapparent during that was that

(01:39:15):
the, this minor league that wassupposed to be in the shadows of
the actual you know, whitepeople league was that the level
of athleticism.
The level of exciting play thatwas happening in the Negro
baseball league was actuallybetter.

(01:39:38):
And so what did that result in?
Well, it resulted in teamsstarting to hire more light
skinned black guys andpretending they were white.
And then eventually full on youknow, bringing in black baseball
players into the major leagues.
And it's a I think that that isthat is letting the, the

(01:40:06):
performance dictate the basicit's, it's meritocracy, right?
It's where we're saying, well,shouldn't the people that would
be best at something be theones?
That are actually engaged inthat thing.
And it's, it's, it's kind oflike if we realized that women
were actually better atbasketball and then the WNBA

(01:40:29):
would be getting more viewersand it would be more exciting to
watch than the NBA.
At some point there would be amove to, Hey, let's just have
one basketball, you know,league, let's not have several
leagues.
And, and I think that that'skind of like that happened in
the past, in last century.

(01:40:50):
But right now, I think there'smore of a push to almost create
like another black baseballleague.
It's kind of like, we're goingin the wrong direction here.
We're going for separatingpeople based on things that have
nothing to do with performance.

yeah, so that's why I think it's sort of
like a pendulum and we're just aswinging.
So back in Martin Luther KingJr's Day, he wanted to simply be
viewed as an American.

Gene (01:41:21):
hmm.

You know, so that's you're right.
Wild idea.
But yeah, like he just simplywanted to be viewed as an
American.
And so like nowadays it's likemore of the collective.
Let's be black mind or we are aculture.
You can't thump us out orwhatever people are doing,

(01:41:45):
whatever prideful thing they'repissing down other people's
throats.
But I, I think that it's, itwill swing back because it's not
working.
And this is the thing that Ikeep explaining to my mom, she
has no answer for this, and Ikeep saying, okay, so on one
hand, you have grandkids who are10, 11, 12, and one of them is

(01:42:11):
18, and they can't read on thesame level as what they're
supposed to.
They're behind in school inreading and math.
And on the other hand, the, youhave my kids, They're Who, my
one year old can tell you theone times table, you give her a

(01:42:32):
number and you tell her tomultiply it times one, she will
tell you the same number back,because she understands that
concept, she understands theconcept of multiplying by zero,
any number times zero equalszero.
She's one,

Gene (01:42:46):
What about zero squared?

Well, we haven't gotten the squares yet.

Gene (01:42:51):
Okay, I'm just being a dick.

No, I know.
But she's I'm like, okay, sowhere are, where, which one of
these are going to have a betterfuture in life?
And she can't say the other isgoing to have that, but she
still does not necessarily wantto admit, which is a hard thing

(01:43:16):
to admit, right?
Doesn't want to admit that herthought process and the people
that she voted for Duped herinto making them dumber, you
know, like that's if you are ablack person and you vote for
the Democratic Party, I willjust say it straight up.
You are paying and voting forpeople to make you and your kids

(01:43:40):
dumber.

Gene (01:43:41):
Yeah,

That is that's wild.
That is like absolutely bonkersto me that these people have
been in control of education andI mean everything in education,
almost all the teachers, and 90plus percent all vote Democrat,
all they get to choose thecurriculum, they get to choose
how it's taught, they get tochoose the textbooks, they get

(01:44:02):
to choose what's in thetextbooks, what is basically
reality to everyone in thebooks, and guess what?
Your kids can't read or do math.
And all the people who are doingLeBron James Denzel Washington,
people who are starting theseschools outside of the normal
school bounds, they're failingtoo.

(01:44:22):
And LeBron James schools arefailing faster.
They're literally failing fasterthan the regular public schools
that were already inadequate.
And it's it's bonkers to me thatpeople could just turn a blind
eye to black people, your ownrace, like that.
It's, it's, it, it, it makes meI'm like, okay, well, I'm pretty

(01:44:44):
successful.
Well, why should I even careabout the culture?
Why should I even care?
I tell my brother all the time,this educational stuff for the
kids.
I will pay for it all.
You don't have to pay for adime.
The only thing you have to do issit there and have your kids
watch.
I'll pay for it all.
He doesn't want to do it.
He doesn't do it.
It's man, people would kill forthis in other, in other

(01:45:07):
countries, other cultures.
If I gave Valuetainment and PBDto anybody else in the world, it
would be starting a business.
It would be doing somethingdifferent.
And it, it brings me back towhat you said at the start of
the podcast, like black peoplein other countries think of
themselves very differently thanblack people here.

(01:45:29):
The, like the.
Immigrant household income hereis a little over 58, 000, but
the U S born black is 42 K.
Like, how are they making 16,000 more than you guys?
And you had all the advantages.
You spoke the native language.
You knew all the ins and outs ofthe culture, the tax language,

(01:45:52):
the tax codes, everything youhad every advantage, but you
choose to see yourself as avictim and that's the problem
because you're just stuck.
You know, you're,

Gene (01:46:02):
Do you think it is just as simple as a victim mentality, or
do you think there's somethingmore to it than that?

It's tough.
People say that the, it's toughto know when the victim
mentality start.
I do think it is that simplebecause you can beat the
humanity out of people.
And I think that that's sort ofwhat slavery did in a sense.
It sort of robbed them of thejoys of dangerous freedom

(01:46:31):
because there was so muchpoliticking in order to, you
couldn't just go out and beat.
Or rape a slave or kill a slavebecause something happened
because all the slaves wouldrevolt.
So there was a politicking intrying to make their lives
better such that they didn'teven feel like they were

(01:46:51):
enslaved when Harriet tried togo get them out.
So

Gene (01:46:55):
and that was, you know, it's not slavery, but it's the
next best thing.
A lot of countries in Europe,and Russia being one of the
biggest in that regard, hadserfs.
Now serfs aren't slaves, but aserf is assigned to manage a
certain piece of land in thename of the king.

(01:47:18):
Or the, you know, whoever thelocal representative of the
royalty is, and they can'tleave.
So they, they have a certainamount of freedom.
They are, they are permanentlyassigned to a piece of land.
That's what serfdom is, like

they also

Gene (01:47:36):
to go.

They also understand themselves as second
class or third class

Gene (01:47:41):
Yeah, yeah,

And so, they, that person, trying to get that
person to try to be a morefreedom oriented person, I think
it would be exceptionallydifficult.

Gene (01:47:52):
Well, and it,

think that a large portion of it is just the
victim mentality.
Mm

Gene (01:47:57):
yeah, and it, and it was, and that's kind of what I'm
getting to my point, which isthat you couldn't just have
serfs and then abuse thatsituation.
You have to manage your balance.
That essentially provided enoughfor these people that you can
legitimately, without just beingfull of shit, say yes, but look

(01:48:18):
at all the things that I do foryou.
I guard the border from enemyinvasion.
I, you know, if your town getsthe plague.
I send in a team of guys to gobury everybody because we're not
going to cure you, but you know,it's look at all these, look at
all these benefits and a lot ofways what we have in the United
States today is really verysimilar.

(01:48:41):
I'm not going to say it'sidentical because you can move
around, but it is very similarto a digital serfdom, you know,
people, people live.
With less than two weeks ofsavings because they're hoping
and generally correctly, so thatthere, there's going to be

(01:49:03):
somebody that's taking care ofthem and they're trading their
work and their taxes for thatprivilege.
And so the human mentality forgetting in black and white right
now, I think in a lot of ways,human mentality.
Has not really gotten past thisidea of we belong to something

(01:49:25):
that is, and I don't mean likeGod, but like, why do we even
have people that call themselvesPolish or American or Mexican or
whatever?
Where's that pride coming from?
That pride is a remnant of youbeing a surf.
That pride is a pride in yourmaster.
It's the pride in belonging to apiece of land.

(01:49:49):
That's what that pride is.
Most people, as I said earlierin the podcast, are not
individuals.
They like the idea ofindividualism, and they'll tell
you that, but they can't handleit.
And that's kind of where we aretoday, is we're, we're at that
phase where We have theappearance of freedom and
individuality because we allwalk around with iPhones, but we

(01:50:13):
don't practice it and certainlynot to the extent that true
freedom would be and So I Ithink that With it being the
case for everybodyUnfortunately, I feel like
there's a malevolence here In alot of American politicians on
the left to try and takeadvantage of black people by

(01:50:41):
promoting and prolonging thisserfdom state, where their
reliance on the state.
And on politicians to look outfor their better interest rather
than looking out for their ownbetter interest is garnering the
vote and it's, it's almost likea, you know, a secret that
everybody knows.

(01:51:02):
It's it's, it's an open secret,right?
It's not hidden at all.
It's when Joe Biden says, if youdon't vote for me, you ain't
black.

Right.

Gene (01:51:11):
He's not being sarcastic.
He's telling the truth becausebeing black involves voting for
the master that tells you tovote for him.
And if you're a good blackperson, you're going to do what
Biden tells you to do, becauseif you don't.
All kinds of bad things willhappen to you now.
He's not going to tell youwhat's going to happen to you,

(01:51:32):
because nothing will, but he'scertainly going to promote the
idea that without him, it's onlybad for you.
So, how do we fix this?

So I am definitely so I went to school
for marketing.
Right.
But what I will tell you is I amnot the guy.
As you can see with my name,man, I'm just trying to live my
life free as hell and be theexample of freedom that people
should try to attain.

(01:52:07):
Having, having said that I dothink that a concerted effort
needs to be made by.
Conservatives to reach out toinner cities and steal those
people.
Democrats have no problemputting up their dollars, hard
earned money to try to stealaway voters from the Republican

(01:52:29):
party.
And it's ridiculous that, thatme in Camden, New Jersey, places
where Democrats have failed inpolicy for a hundred years.
Why there aren't strongRepublicans sitting there
telling me that Hey, look atyour city, you voted for these

(01:52:51):
people, look at your city.
Did it get any better?
Hey, the last three mayors ofCamden were just arrested for
corruption.
Did you get any better by votingfor Dems?
You don't see that.
And it's, it's, it's.
It's honestly ridiculous, butit's also just, it's speaks to

(01:53:13):
who Republicans are.
They're not trying to grow theirteam per se.
They're mostly just trying tobitch.

Gene (01:53:20):
Well, and it makes sense, right, because the Democrats are
all about community andsocialism, and the Republicans
are about individuality.
So, if you're aboutindividuality How much effort
are you going to put intogarnering other communities?

I get that.
But at that, at

Gene (01:53:40):
so it's kind of a self serving kind of situation there.

I hear I hear what people are saying, but I'm
also a swing trader.
So I think of it like this,right?
So Democrats have had controlover education for whatever
number of years.
Well, those people areindoctrinating your kids.
So if you don't stand up.
For the values that you believein, they are already, they

(01:54:04):
already have the tools in placein order to encapsulate and trap
your kid in their ideology.
But what are you doing to combatthat?
Like it's, it's Republicanbusinessmen need to open up
their wallets a little bit andstart starting schools on their
own.
Look how what, what if I could,what if my argument wasn't Hey,

(01:54:29):
LeBron James has a bad schooland the public school system is
bad.
What if my argument was LeBronschool system is bad.
He has a horrible ideology.
These Republicans on this placehave these test scores that are
better.
For their African Americans.
Oh, and by the way, they'regiving out scholarships for

(01:54:52):
these people in the inner city.
Oh, and by the way, they'regiving out a free lunch program.
They're giving out scholarshipsfor college for these kids.
Like I don't have any of thosethings that I can bring back to
my community and say, Hey, thesepeople are actually better for
you.
The only thing I can say to themis, Hey, if you work really
hard, put your bootstraps on andyou're going to make it.

(01:55:17):
And that's a bullshit argument,you know what I mean?

Gene (01:55:19):
it is, but I think if, I hate the word community because
it's mostly bullshit, but Ithink if the black community
doesn't start doing somethingsoon, they're going to get
screwed even more because.
They were the largest minorityin the United States, and as a
minority of the biggest size,you have some sway.

(01:55:42):
They're, they're very soon to bedisplaced by the next largest
minority, which is white people.

Correct.

Gene (01:55:50):
We are on the verge I think within six years, United
States is going to have a whitepeople represent 49.
9 percent of the population.
And the biggest growth of thatis in.
American or Latino and Chinesepopulations.
Those are both growingtremendously.

Right, which directly affects the black
community negatively.
Because there's no jobs.
Yeah, yeah,

Gene (01:56:18):
And the, the Asians have a stereotype as well.
And, you know, they, they, theold stereotypes back from the
1800s were, you know, they're abunch of she's smoking lazy
fuckers who are only good forbuilding railroads doing
laundry.
Right.
So that's, that was thestereotype back in the day.
Today's stereotype is they'reall fucking overachievers.

(01:56:39):
They're, they're kids all end upgetting PhDs or finance degrees.
They're doctors, lawyers,finance people, and Asians.
I'm including both you know,Chinese and Indians in that
category.
And they're all overachievers.
And so they're kind of leavingwhite people on black people in
the dust and Latinos on theirrise.

(01:57:03):
I, when I first got intotechnology in the early 1890s,
all the CEOs of major companieswere white men right now,
there's a shit ton of companiesrun by Indians.
PepsiCo CEO, Indian theMicrosoft CEO, Indian, you know,

(01:57:24):
like top companies size wise, ifyou look at them, there's more
and more that are being run byIndians.
Do I care about this?
Not really.
It's just, I'm putting it out.
Truth.
It's just statistically true.
But I also, I would expectthat's the case because they're
working harder.
They're doing more.
They're, they're pushing theirkids to do more and as a result,

(01:57:46):
they're getting the top jobs.

right, but you're also explaining something
and that can easily be explainedaway by what I've already said.
So, like I said, 17 percent ofof blacks are reading at the
grade school level that they'resupposed to be at.
So and math, it's worse.
So if they can't read orunderstand math, how the hell

(01:58:10):
are they supposed to know thatthey're getting fucked from the
other side?

Gene (01:58:13):
Mm hmm.

So that's why Democrats are really good at
playing the game of Okay, well,I'll give you a little bit here
and I'll give you a little bithere.
And then when election timerolls around, they're like, Oh,
okay.
Remember that time where I gaveyou this, this, and this, okay,
well, I need you to show up forme.
And I think that if more, I sawon a podcast the other day, PVD

(01:58:37):
was talking to moms for Liberty.
And he said that he would do aan entrepreneurial ship.
Like lesson and stuff like hewould teach it like three times
a week and stuff like that'sgreat.
But like The infrastructure forthat on the left already exists,

(01:58:58):
and it's just an idea that'shappening on the right, like
that you're not, you're notgonna win, and you're not even
close because you're not even inbattle with somebody who has
like already armed themselves tothe

Gene (01:59:12):
Yeah.
Well, so what's going to take,do you think for black people to
realize their lives are gettingharder and harder, not easier
and easier?
Before there's some kind of apushback.

It won't ever happen.

Gene (01:59:25):
So they're just marginalized them into total
obscurity and.
And your theory is with moreinterracial relationships, it's
just not going to end up being athing.

Yeah, for sure.
Are you familiar with theconcept of a bottom bitch?

Gene (01:59:43):
No.

So,

Gene (01:59:45):
Enlighten me.

Ah! Ha ha ha! So, in pimping, this guy wrote
this manual for pimps, and apimp guide, and there's this
concept of a bottom bitch.
And this girl will not leave youno matter what.
Some girls have A fuck clock,she'll get like 500 fucks, she's
good for 500 fucks, and thenshe's gonna lose her mind, and

(02:00:07):
she's gonna leave, and eitherleave the game, kill herself, or
do something else, right?
Some women only have 250, likeit just depends on like the type
of mental capacity of thatperson, but your bottom bitch
will never leave you, becauseThe things that the small things
that you give them are betterthan the loneliness that exists

(02:00:29):
outside.
So black people are kind ofDemocrats bottom bitch in that

Gene (02:00:36):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
They only care about them duringelections.
Yeah, I get it.

There'll be overrun and replaced long before
they're ever made smart enoughto understand that they're being
overrun and replaced.

Gene (02:00:51):
Yeah.
Yeah.

Yeah.
So like that.
They have a perfect game.
Democrats have a perfect gamewhen it comes to that.

Gene (02:01:00):
So yeah, it's, I think one of the smartest things Democrats
ever did is break the familyunit that used to exist and used
to be very strong in blackfamilies because that was a in
fact, there was a strong pushfor that family unit.
After the end of slavery,because all of a sudden there

(02:01:26):
was no massive decision makerthat was the father, there was
somebody that you marry somebodythat is your parent that was
making the decisions and blackpeople had a.
higher attendance of churches.
They had a lower incidence ofdivorce all through the 1900s up
until about, I think the 1980sis when this really started

(02:01:49):
changing.
And some people would say, well,that totally just coincides with
the expansion of welfareprograms.
But I don't think it's thatsimple.
I think that.
How do you get a man out of thehouse and make the women feel
like it's the right thing to doto get the man out of the house?
That's evil.

Right,

Gene (02:02:10):
And not to say that it hasn't been happening to white
people too.
The divorce rate in general isover 50%.
And it, it was much lower thanthat in the 19th or in the 20th
century.
So last century.
And right now a lot of the thezoomers, like they don't
envision ever getting marriedbecause why would you?
Because.
You all just fuck each other ornot, but you don't like, there

(02:02:33):
doesn't need to be anycommitments at all for anybody.
Cause it's just a activity.
It's like going and watching amovie.
There's no difference like thatall went away.
So, uh, I, I'm trying to thinkof what, what needs to happen to

(02:02:55):
either make black people not seetheir own color and just act in
their own interest, not in theinterest of their car, or to go
ultra nationalist and just, youknow, get the black Panthers
back out or something, becausewhat we got right now.
Is a total breakdown.
If you want it to get rid ofblacks in America, I don't think

(02:03:17):
you could do a better job.
Then what's happening right now.

for sure.
I, I whole wholeheartedly agreewith you.

Gene (02:03:25):
And as somebody that really kind of grew up in a I
don't see any color society thatis bizarre to me.
It's it's, it's horrible andit's not a place I could have
ever imagined.
We'd beginning to, to where.
That there's such a hugeleveraging by people that have a

(02:03:46):
political interest rather thanthe personal interest in
utilizing black people asbasically a pommel, like it's
we're going to Ram the people wedon't like by using a black dude
that we're holding and using hishead as a Ram, you know, that's
kind of what's been happening.

Right.
So I think that really stinks,but it's hard to awaken, awaken
a society to their own becausethe very thing that they have to
do to climb out of their rut.

(02:04:28):
is face themselves.
So that's like the hardest enemyto defeat is literally yourself.
So I think that until blackpeople start being honest with
themselves about, okay, man, Iwas duped by these people
several times.
This is bullshit.

(02:04:48):
I need to start waking up toother things.
It won't ever happen, but that'sthe slow that's the slowest way
like the enlightenment is Idon't know if you've read about
the enlightenment period Or orbefore it but man, it takes a
long ass time for People toactually become enlightened.

(02:05:10):
So I

Gene (02:05:10):
I almost,

Good

Gene (02:05:13):
of feel like a lot of black people in the United
States would benefit fromspending a few months in a lot
of African countries.
And watching self rule andreally what, what happens when
you're the majority population,you can do anything you want and
it's not Wakanda, right?

(02:05:33):
We know that what, what you endup with is I think they would
start recognizing a lot of thehorrible decision making that's
happening in the democraticparty and how it's it's
leveraging them and utilizingthem.
Against the enemies of theDemocrat Party, because that's

(02:05:54):
if you look at a lot of theseAfrican countries, you know, you
have you have a few electionsfollowed by government
overthrow.
Then you have a few moreelections followed by another
government overthrow.
And it's because everybody thatgets into power grabs that power
and uses it for their benefitrather than for the benefit of
the population.

(02:06:15):
And you know, when you look atsomebody else doing something
bad, we could use drinking as anexample.
It's a lot, it's a lot easier tosee another person as an
alcoholic than to see yourselfor your family member as an
alcoholic.
And so, you know, maybe that's away to, to see that.

(02:06:37):
I know in general, this is trueof most people that have
traveled extensively around theworld.
They'll all tell you that their,their perception of America is
greatly changed after theirtravels.

yeah me going to europe

Gene (02:06:55):
Israel has a thing where they will pay for Jewish kids,
Jewish teenagers, basically, tocome and visit Israel for a few

Right.

Gene (02:07:06):
And so that any family of any kind of financial means can
send their kid to go visit.
And that certainly broadens theperspective.
I think a lot of the kids comeback knowing more about where
their people come from, but alsomore about wow, everybody in
Israel has to be in the army.
Holy shit.
Good thing we don't have thathere.

(02:07:26):
You know, a lot of things thatare contrast, they start
realizing.
And you know, maybe it is somekind of a, maybe, maybe it's not
an African country, but whateverit is, it's we got to start
sending people abroad just sothey can start recognizing the
problems with continuing thingsthe way they are at home.
Maybe it's not college.
In fact, I'm pretty sure it'snot a college education.

(02:07:49):
Like I'd rather not sendsomebody to college.
That's got a greater chance ofruining their worldview because
colleges are filled withprofessors who don't have a
realistic sense of reality.

Right.
But we're also talking about theinfrastructure that the
Democrats hold over us thatthere are no, there are no ways
to get around.
If you want to be an engineer inthis country, you're going to
have to sift through ademocratic schooling and
indoctrination camp in order toget that education.

Gene (02:08:26):
Well, you, yeah for the most part, however,

And it has nothing to do with that.
It has nothing to do with thatat

Gene (02:08:34):
but if you want to be an engineer, you don't have to go
to school in America.

Yes, but we're talking about the vast majority
of students in America, right?
American students who

Gene (02:08:46):
But an education that gets you a master's in engineering is
going to cost you less in Indiathan it is in the United States.

I don't disagree, but they don't have
the means or anything like thatto do it, you know?

Gene (02:08:59):
but including the cost of, of flying there and living there
for a few years.
It's like the most expensivepossible education you can have,
regardless of quality, is theUnited States.
And if you actually look atquality, it's not a bargain at
all.

Yeah, no, I don't, I don't disagree with you
at all.
I dropped out of college.

Gene (02:09:21):
Yeah.
As yeah.
You know how long it, I did aswell.
Do you know how long it took meto drop out of college?
Six years,

Oh my gosh

Gene (02:09:30):
and then I dropped out without graduating.
So there you go.
But most people that haveachieved something in their
lives also have dropped out ofcollege, Bill Gates Steve Jobs,
Elon Musk, all college dropouts.
So college is not the answer.
In fact, Elon's talked aboutthis, like he actually sees.
a an advanced college degree asa negative, not a positive when

(02:09:53):
he's hiring people.

Right, They're taught to think in a box.

Gene (02:09:58):
exactly.
And, and he's built companiesexactly on the opposite of that
is thinking outside the box.

But to think about I've also heard what is
the Mr.
Beast say the same thing?
But he just like, as soon as hehears that somebody is like in
traditional schooling and stuff,they immediately gets rid of
them.
It's

Gene (02:10:15):
hmm.
Mm hmm.

it's really tough.

Gene (02:10:17):
Yeah.
And I, I've only watchedperipherally stuff.
Mr.
Beast does fit in someuninteresting, but I also, I'm
not like a huge fan or anything,I think

I'm not a fan

Gene (02:10:26):
It's basically just making a game show out of YouTube and
using

is kind of cool.
Like he just like that's apretty

Gene (02:10:34):
And he does, they're all theoretically nice things he
does for the people, but he'sgamifying it to make money,
which is nothing wrong with it.
It's, it's really no differentthan the old game shows that
used to be on TV, like price isright and you know, wheel of
fortune and all those things.
It's the same kind of concept isyou take average people,
ordinary people.

(02:10:54):
Give them the opportunity to bein a game show.

Right.
Yeah.
Kind of.

Gene (02:10:59):
a big prize.

he spends a ridiculous amount of his money.
Either on production or oncharity so he has I guess his
home state is North Carolina orsomething like that.
So he has a charity food bank.
He did this, he learned thisfrom hospitals.
So like they have like onecentral hospital and then a
bunch of smaller hospitalsaround.

(02:11:22):
So he has one central food bankand then he goes and delivers
two weeks worth of food to eachone of the cities.
And then he rotates them likethat.
So, like he does a ton ofphilanthropy work, which is like
really great.
And the only reason why I reallylike, like him, although I don't
watch any of his content at all,I only watch interviews because

(02:11:46):
to me, it's kind of cool thatSuch a young person became a
billionaire.
That's, that's the story to me.
That's like when I tell my kidsthe story about Mr.
Beast.
And there's another guy too,who's not necessarily a
billionaire.
He's just a millionaire at thispoint.
But Danny Goh, he's uh, well,he's for kids.
So it's

Gene (02:12:06):
Oh, okay.

he basically created a kid game TV show.
With his own songs and his ownmusic.
If you wanted to break into themusic industry, you have to jump
through an enormous amount ofhoops, but he just created his
own songs geared towards kids,created a game like atmosphere
around it.
Literally this guy's playingSimon.

(02:12:29):
You know, the, the old game theSimon with the colors.

Gene (02:12:33):
hmm.

So he's playing like that, but in a
visual sense on YouTube.
And he's made himself into amillionaire.
It's like absolutely fantasticthat you get to do that in this
world.
And that's no one is stoppingany of those people.
That's why I.

Gene (02:12:51):
Yeah, holy shit.
Mr.
Beast is only 25?
Oh my god.
I thought it was like in his30s.

no, no, no, no.
And

Gene (02:12:58):
Christ.

like if you, if you listen to his story, like
he literally sat down for 10years and watched every video
that went viral, all the videosthat like had high view counts,
looked up the lighting, thesetting, how the people were
doing, the types of laughterthat people were given for

(02:13:20):
certain things.
And basically created his own.

Gene (02:13:25):
Mm hmm.

set of how to make good entertainment on
online and then just built acompany off of that with

Gene (02:13:34):
Mm hmm.
Yeah.
Yeah, that's, that's reallycool.

Yeah, the story behind Mr.
Beast is far more interestingthan the stuff he does.
Because it's mostly for kids.
I think he drove like a train abig pit once.
It's okay, well, thanks.
But it's like not,

Gene (02:13:58):
Oh, so there's one in New Jersey, huh?
Mr.
Beast Burger.

does he have one?
That's another thing that Ilike, like he has taught people
how to start businesses.
Like he didn't just get rich andfuck off on all his money.
He's Oh, let's get rich by oneof his TV show.
Game shows was starting abusiness and that business
eventually unfurled into hischocolate business.

(02:14:22):
And another one ended up beinghis burger business.
Yeah.
And he spends like a ridiculousamount.
Like I think Hershey spends lessthan one cent per bar.
On the quality and greatingredients and he spends over
half of what he sells his barsfor on quality ingredients So he

(02:14:44):
you're getting a lot betterproduct for the same price and
Yeah, he's I I find as abusiness person.
He's he's phenomenal.
I think he's fascinating.

Gene (02:14:57):
Yeah, it's it's interesting.
It's I had an old podcast that Idid shit, what was it called?
I've been doing podcasts for 20years, so it, I can't remember
some of them, but this one wasNew Media Interviews.
And I interviewed a number ofYouTubers and Twitch people.
Actually, I think they were allYouTubers that had I, well, I

(02:15:19):
interviewed a range of them.
I think the, from people thathad 10, 000 subscribers, but the
biggest ones I interviewed hadthree or 4 million subscribers.
And it was always veryinteresting how similar people's
stories were, which is everyonehad nothing.
You know, a thousand subscribersfor years some kind of a little

(02:15:45):
something clicked and all of asudden their growth just went to
exponential.
And then all of a sudden theirresponsibility and their stress
also went to exponential.
Cause when your channels onlyget out a thousand people on it,
it's yeah, whatever, who cares.
When it's got a few millionpeople on it, then it's hold up,

(02:16:09):
if I, if I do something theydon't like, it's going to cost
me real money.
And, and so it was interestinghearing these these stories.
I've always, I always lovedinterviewing people.
I, I I'm fascinated by hearinghow people got from A to B.

Yeah same.
Yeah, i'm really addicted tothat

Gene (02:16:33):
Well, maybe you should buy a nice podcasting rig then.
Hmm.

I will, I'll leave the interviewing to you,
my friend.

Gene (02:16:44):
Huh.
All right.
So what do you think?
Have we solved the the problemsof black people in America now?
Buy exotic pets, people.
That'll solve

Let me ask you a question, the last question, I
guess.
So I have mentioned about how Ithink that Republicans need to
start playing the same game thatDemocrats are and start giving,
giving, giving, and seeing whatthey get in return with black

(02:17:16):
people in inner cities.
How do you see that happeningfrom a constituency base that
mostly wants to be left the fuckalone?

Gene (02:17:27):
Yeah.
Well, the first part of that Ithink can't happen because
giving, giving, giving is howthe black family has been
ruined.
So what needs to happen, if,let's say I was king, right?
I was emperor.
And I have this problem in thatthere's like a collapse of, of

(02:17:50):
black families and their, andthe, the, the end result is what
we're seeing now, which is alot, a lot of missed
opportunities.
A lot of things that like the,the overall status of black
people is going down in thecountry.
The first thing I would do is Iwould get rid of no fault
divorce.

(02:18:10):
The next thing I would do isshut down all the abortion
clinics.
And the next thing I would doafter that is say, okay, we're
going to start allowing peopleto self select.
Meaning you have to have acompetition.

(02:18:31):
This is where the Mr.
B signal comes in.
I think you have to gamify andcreate competitions that
encourage people to act in theway that you want them to act.
What the Democrats have beendoing is simpler than that.
They're just bribing.
They're just saying you vote forme.
I will pay X amount of moneythat is going to go to your type

(02:18:54):
of group.
And and that's bullshit becausethe way they've done it is by.
Encouraging the breakdown of thefamily unit.
So I would do the opposite.
I would actually say if you arein a happily married, I don't
even care if you're happy, ifyou're, if you're in a married
family, two, two parenthousehold, and you're the.

(02:19:19):
I don't know, let's say theoldest child, you do all the
kids, right?
But you do one of them for sure.
And you're maintaining a B plusaverage in school.
We're going to give you accessto a entrepreneurial fund.
Which is not college money.
You could go to college if youwant, but you could also take

(02:19:41):
that 100, 000 and then start abusiness with it.
Like that would be encouragingthe right behavior across all
levels.
You have to make single parentfamilies be something that
people don't want to have again.
There has to be a certain stigmaplace the way it used to be like

(02:20:02):
in the 1950s, right?
Is if, if you were if you werefrom a divorced family wow,
what's wrong with you guys?
Why couldn't your parents staytogether?
And I think in the same way thatpeople that have been bullied
when they were young in lifetend to develop much better

(02:20:23):
responses to stress than peoplethat have never been bullied.
I think you have to instill asense of if you, if you do
things that lead you down theright path and if you want to
see what the right path is, justread some Jordan Peterson, he'll
tell you.
If you do things that lead youdown the right path, you will be

(02:20:44):
rewarded.
If you don't go down the rightpath, you will not be rewarded.
And I think in a lot of ways,Democrats have just been short
circuiting that whole process byjust saying anything bad that
happens to you, it's these guysover here pointing at the
conservatives and You know,we're going to help you out
through financial means andthat's not a solution, man.

(02:21:09):
That's creating a bigger problemand we know it's a bigger
problem.
Yeah,

So I do think that it's creating a bigger
problem, but I also think thatit like what you're saying from
a practical standpoint, fly inthe community.
So, they're getting a bunch ofthings.
So, even though we know that thethings that they're getting are
not correct, especially in thelong term.

(02:21:38):
They're still getting somethingand they're going to choose that
person, giving them something aperson.
So and I'm not even talkingabout going out and handing them
checks and stuff like that, butlike my, yeah, like my idea,
like with the schools and stuff,entrepreneurial ships I, I, I

(02:21:59):
think that if you don't showthem a bigger light.
And somebody else who caresabout them on the other side,
then you're going to always loseto Democrats, because Democrats
can always just pretend likeRepublicans are way more evil

(02:22:19):
than they actually are, andthey're far more effective at
messaging than Democrats.
Then Republicans are

Gene (02:22:26):
Yeah, I think that's true.
But I guess my point is you haveto make people feel bad about
being treated like a child.
Do you want to be treated like achild, or do you want to be
treated like an adult?
Because right now, Democrats aretreating black people like
children.

right.

Gene (02:22:46):
the message I would spend time and energy reinforcing.
It isn't trying to compete withDemocrats on their terms.
It's basically going outside thebox and, and saying, look
Democrats.
are using you.
They're, they're effectivelysaying you're too stupid to do

(02:23:10):
things.
You're not capable of being ableto make good decisions on your
own.
And the decisions that they wantyou to make are in fact, bad
decisions.
Like they don't want you in ahappily.
Married relationship where thefather is at home and or, you
know, fathers working mothershome, whatever, like they don't

(02:23:31):
want family values and familyvalues is the thing that
actually gets you to achievemore.
And that your example of.
Black people who are immigrantsand the amount of money that
they're making versus blackpeople that are multi
generational Americans is lessis That exact example because
most people that are coming tothe United States Whether

(02:23:55):
they're black or any other race,most of those people are looking
for a traditional marriedrelationship because they know
in their own country'sexperience that That people that
are married are going to be alot more successful in raising
kids, in having successful kids,and in just achieving more in

(02:24:18):
life than people that are notmarried.
It, it's kind of simpleeconomics, really, if you think
about it.
So I don't think you need toguilt people.
And I think you just need to usesimpler language to explain to
them why bad decisions are bad.
And then, you know, I I don'twant to force it out, anything,

(02:24:41):
not anybody.
So I want people to make theirown choice, but, but you have to
tell, let me put it in thereligious context.
You have to tell people that thethings that they're doing are
going to lead them to hell.
You can't expect them to knowwhat's going to lead them to
hell of their own accord.
And you've got one side that isjust offering them all this shit

(02:25:04):
here.
Just come, trust me, come withme.
It's all good.
It's yeah, it's all good, exceptthat you're going down the wrong
path.

right.
I just think that I, that Ithink my head blows and might
die.
I think that I'll give you anexample.
So I was over my brother'shouse.
He just had a baby and it'sawesome.
Everything is fun.
I'm talking to him about afriend of mine who just had a
bad deal go through and myfriend was black.

(02:25:36):
The guy who beat the guy waswhite.
And my brother said to me, hesaid, you know, white people
think they're smarter than us.

Gene (02:25:46):
hmm.
Mm

And I just, I think, I think that what, I
think your ideas are great.
And I've, I hear people likeCandace say this a lot too, like
you got to fix the nuclearfamily, especially like I've
read a ton of Thomas soul.
I've read 60 of his booksalready,

Gene (02:26:05):
You want to get an education?
Read him.

Oh, yeah, for sure.
But the people who you're tryingto reach are not smart enough to
get out of the emotional trap ofthese people are trying to take
stuff away from you.

(02:26:30):
And this is stuff that we aretrying to give you and so the
only way that I have foundthat's effective

Gene (02:26:38):
Mm hmm.

is not giving them a handout,

Gene (02:26:41):
Mm hmm.

them what a handout is, but giving them a
hand up because you can't justsay to them, your ideology is
bad.
I'm going to stop you from doingall of this stuff.
Like you were saying I'm goingto cancel abortion and I'm going
to do you're going to get revolts.
I'm That's what you're

Gene (02:27:01):
But that's what you need.

but they'll

Gene (02:27:02):
need people to get energized.
You need them to start acting intheir self interest because
acting in their self interest iswhat's going to make them
realize that they haven't beenacting in their self interest
all these years.

weaponized against you forever.

Gene (02:27:18):
No, they won't.

Yeah.
But like they, this is justwhat, this is how I talk to
these people all the time.

Gene (02:27:27):
No, I know.
I know.
I know.
But, but again, most people arenot individuals, right?
They're they don't they can saythat to you, but they don't
understand that.
It's not true when they'resaying it I I think that the
fact that they've beenmanipulated For so many years by
democrats is proof that they'remanipulatable.

Oh no.
So it's, it's easier to tellsomeone or to convince someone
or to fool someone than it is toteach them that they have been
duped.

Gene (02:28:02):
So I

it, especially if you add in the factor of
normal people under normalcircumstances, if you give them,
if you just give them stuff,they're going to have favor

Gene (02:28:16):
why why do you

So,

Gene (02:28:17):
Why do you think men join gangs

protection.
Be a part of something biggerthan

Gene (02:28:24):
yes, yes, exactly.
It's because that's what they'remissing in their lives because
they're easier to manipulatewhen they're not part of
something that they believe inthat is theirs.
So the gang in a lot of ways, ifthe gang's doing crime, which

(02:28:45):
they usually are as bad, right?
But what is the gang providing?
It is providing a sense ofcamaraderie.
Of belonging to somethinggreater than yourself of having
a wise older people be watchingout for you when you fuck up and
you will fuck up.
Everybody does when they'reyoung, it's all these things

(02:29:09):
that are effectively doing whata father at home does if he's a
good parent, it's, it's a, it'sa replacement for fatherhood.
Not a very good one.

you just perfectly described what the
Democratic Party is to thoseblack people.

Gene (02:29:28):
Mm hmm.

It is the group that they run to, it is
the father in the home, it isthe, the, so like you're, to try
to convince a person, like youcan convince a kid to leave
wherever the hell they're doingat a park,

Gene (02:29:43):
Mm

you show them candy in a bag,

Gene (02:29:45):
Yeah.

they'll ignore

Gene (02:29:48):
Gotta have a white, a white van though.
Don't

that creepy ass van, yeah, they'll ignore
the hell out of that creepy assvan, but, but you're trying to
effectively lure those childrenwith And it's they're never
gonna take that,

Gene (02:30:02):
No, no, no, no,

because the other the van right beside you
is giving them candy.

Gene (02:30:07):
no, but I'll tell you what you can do is if you give them
nice uniforms and you teach themto get, It's gun permits, and
then you put on a black parade,then they're pretty fucking
excited to join.

right?
Yeah, it's tough.
That's why I would rather richpeople step up.
And create schools for them togo to, work programs for them to

Gene (02:30:33):
Yeah.
Work programs are

teach them to, yeah, yeah, teach them to
incentivize them

Gene (02:30:40):
Yeah.
The fact is, I think we havemultiple generations of black
kids in general, but black boysin particular that have been
robbed of their God givenchildhood.
And it, the fault of that isdirectly pointing at Democrats.
Because, because boys shouldgrow up with fathers, they

(02:31:05):
should grow up having somebodythat's like them there and
available to both play with themand scold them when necessary,
but most importantly, to providesomething to emulate as they get
older.
And these kids have been robbedand the fault lies greatly

(02:31:28):
within the democratic party.
How there isn't a lot of angerat the Democrats.
It's what's amazing to me.
How, how are black men not?
All doing what you're doing andleaving the democratic party.
That's the

a hand that feeds them.
It's a hand that feeds them.
I grew up very poor, and Ialways wanted to be way richer
than the ceiling that theDemocrats could, could put for
me.
Because if you think about itThink about all like the rich
black people.
They are either actors,professional athletes, or
politicians.

(02:32:03):
So neither one of those thingsis gonna happen for

Gene (02:32:06):
community leaders

well, yeah, yeah.
But that's sort of political.
You're just basically being paidby politicians, you know?
But yeah, like that, that that'swhy it doesn't work out for a
lot of those people.
But If Al Sharpton can alwayscome on CNN and undercut me by
saying, oh, well, he's the blackface of white supremacy, or, you

(02:32:30):
know, that black people can youknow, that black people can work
for the white devil too, thenyour game is all, the ruse is
all given up.

Gene (02:32:39):
that's my point is.
I think that the, the only wayto get black boys interested is
on by giving them something thatprovides that father figure
outside Democrats.
And hopefully outside the gangsas well, right?
But it's something that fulfillsthat human desire.

(02:33:00):
And what is the masculineenergy?
What is it?
Well, it's going to haveregimentation.
It's going to have order.
It's going to have rules andexpectations and punishments if
those rules aren't obeyed.
If you look at a gang, it hasall that.
You look at the Black Panthers,they have

what it also has is a A clear line of how to
get to the top.
It has a dominance hierarchy,whereas that's what I'm, that's
what I'm asking.
That's what I'm

Gene (02:33:30):
Absolutely.
And, and hierarchies,

need

Gene (02:33:33):
hierarchies in general is a masculine trait.
Women are perfectly fine withhaving nobody that's in charge,
and that's why women can't runshit, because they're horrible
at it.
Men recognize that you need apyramid.
You need to have a structurethat's hierarchical in place,

(02:33:53):
and, you know, innately, we asmen, we as boys when we were
young, see that.
That desire to be involved likethat.
Why do you think you can recruitmen to join the military?
Same fucking reason.
It's the same thing.
You don't have a bunch of girlsstreaming into just hoping to
get into the military.

(02:34:14):
You have some for sure.
You know, but it's a minorityand because it's out of
character for, for women to dothat.

right.
I'm speaking specifically forblacks and you see way less
blacks in the military than youdo other places for sure.
But like they are,

Gene (02:34:30):
to look that up?
Cause I don't think that's true.

it's harder.
Okay.
Yeah, definitely.
For

Gene (02:34:35):
to look at the percentage of blacks in us military versus
the overall percentage.
I keep talking.

Yeah.
Because.
They I think that what theydefinitely need is the order and
the structure and thediscipline.
But I definitely think that theyneed to be shown.
They're not going to ever acceptthat path willingly without a
path to get them to the top.

(02:35:05):
Like if, if, if they're notshown heroes at the top that
they need to emulate and belike.
And a path that they, okay,here's how you can make six
figures.
Here's how you can make somebread, young fella.
If that's not shown to them,then they're never going to
accept what Republicans have tosay willingly over what

(02:35:25):
Democrats have to say.
Cause the candy's just too good.
Like it's, it's, I know regularpeople, regular people who will
not accept Things not beinggiven to them.
So like if somebody is givingthem gifts and stuff like that,
even if they know that theperson is toxic, even if they
know that the person has giftsthat come with stipulations,

(02:35:47):
they will still accept thegifts.
It's bonkers to me, but yeah,it's, it just goes back to what
you were saying like people justare not individuals and It's
really tough for them to to stepout against the grain.

Gene (02:36:06):
Yeah, it's so I'm looking at some stats here.
It looks like.
Blacks are the next highestgroup after whites, averaging a
little over 20 percent

Oh, wow.

Gene (02:36:17):
In the U.

so it's what is it?

Gene (02:36:19):
The only interesting,

points higher than what the percentage of
blacks are in the country, Iguess

Gene (02:36:25):
men are averaging looks like a little over 60%.
White men, I should say white,whites are averaging a little
over 60%.
What is interesting about blackdemographics in the U.
S.
military is unlike all the otherraces.
There are more black women thanblack men in the military.

I'm not surprised by that.
There are more black women incollege, too.

Gene (02:36:49):
Yeah, well, that's true of white women too.
That's true.
I think of all races, there'smore women than men in college,
which I'm all for becausefrankly college is useless and
men to be need to be spendingtime doing useful things.
Not useless things.

Agreed but I just I just think that like in
terms of so what gets Past asintelligence in black community
is being able to speak very wellat a very early age.
They will call you, quoteunquote, smart,

Gene (02:37:21):
Okay.

not, that's not intelligence.
That's you being able to speakand often that lends itself into
the kid getting smart mouth withthe parent.

Gene (02:37:31):
Huh.

So they never quite breached the gap mentally
of saying oh shit I should notbe telling my kid that they're
smart because they can say abunch of words and act like me
Back at me like I shouldn't beencouraging that behavior, but

Gene (02:37:48):
up with a single parent or a two parent family?

single

Gene (02:37:53):
Okay.
So the problem with singleparent families, or one of the
problems, is that you don't havea separation between the
caregiver and the punisher.

right?

Gene (02:38:06):
those two really should be two different people.
Because if your caregiverpunishes you for doing something
wrong, Then they start losingtheir identity as a caregiver,
and if they never punish you,then they keep their identity as
a caregiver, but then you growup with no recourse for any of

(02:38:27):
your actions.
That's not the only problem withit, obviously, but it's one of
the problems, and I think forsome kids, they may be
introverted enough.
Or in, you know, nerdy enough,like they're just not that bad
of a kid to begin with.

(02:38:48):
And so there's less punishmentrequired along the way.
And and having growing up withjust the caregiver, while it's
not ideal, has a lesser negativeimpact on that kid.
If you have the other direction,you have somebody that's very
extroverted, very outgoing, verystrong headed.
That's going to be the worstcase scenario when you got

(02:39:10):
either the caregiver has to alsobe the punisher and then that
kid just never trusts womenagain for the rest of their
lives when they grow up orthey're never punished.
And then that kid just becomes,you know, uh, a have, I don't
know what the right single wordis, but basically they, they
think there's no consequencesfor their actions.

(02:39:31):
They stop,

a

Gene (02:39:33):
following laws.
Yeah.
In a sense.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So that's why I always go backto rebuilding the family unit.
And incidentally, we're justspecifically talking about, you
know, black people in thisepisode, and it's not exclusive
to black people.
Like the, the, the, the fall ofthe traditional marriage within
all other.

(02:39:54):
groups, white, Asian, et cetera,is just as big of a problem.
We're just not focusing on itright now.
Maybe we'll do a differentepisode on white people
problems, but it's, but it's,it's, I, you know, I'm not
religious at all.
I'm, I'm basically an atheistbut I also don't.

(02:40:15):
Dismiss just purely becausethese are issues that are
brought up by the church thatthat they're not right.
And the one area where thegenerally it's the religious
people that always bring it upis that, you know, marriage is
not.
a function of the state.
It's a function of God and hisChildren.

(02:40:38):
And so the idea that peopleshould be getting married is not
something the government shouldhave any say in one way or the
other.
And they sure as hell shouldn'tbe encouraging people to not get
married because they'reliterally working against the
natural Design of how humansshould be behaving by doing
that.
So I would use slightlydifferent language myself, but

(02:41:00):
that's how the typically thereligious people would phrase
it.
But, but it doesn't mean they'rewrong.
I think they are correct.
I think that we've seen plentyof empirical evidence over the
years, regardless of race.
Of people that grow up in a twoparent household having much
better opportunities in thefuture than people who don't.

Yes, for sure.
Can I'm just making sure you canstill hear me because my
headphones died.

Gene (02:41:29):
you know, I, I can hear you.
And we, you know, we alreadystarted wrapping up.
We can wrap up any minute.
I just didn't want to cut youoff.

oh, no worries.
So I think that the family unitthing is a fix that is going to
take at minimum 15 years.

Gene (02:41:46):
Mm

So what do we do?
And this is like, why I've beenlike pushing back to the let's
get, um.
Uh, not necessarily socialwelfare programs for black
people, but social opportunityprograms for black people

Gene (02:42:04):
hmm.
Mm hmm.

that we can capture the individuals.
Right, because what is a familyunit, right?
A family unit is a man, right,who is, who has something that
he wants to protect,

Gene (02:42:18):
Mm hmm.

in the, from now and in the future, which
would be his family, right?
But he can't get that thingunless he has a high paying job
and, you know, goes through thesteps like that.
So that's

Gene (02:42:31):
we need, that's part of the other problem you just said,
which is a high paying job,which is bullshit.
People for all of human historyhave been coupling up when the
man has had shit jobs.
There's only a few high payingjobs that exist.
Not everyone's going to have ahigh paying job.
It doesn't mean that.

(02:42:52):
Well, that man automatically isdisqualified.
That's retarded.
Like a man brings into arelationship so much more than
just money that it is asinine tofocus on the money.
I don't think you believe that,but I'm just saying that's how
it's usually phrased.
It's well, you got to have ahigh paying job.
It's like bullshit.
If, if I got to have a highpaying job, well, you better

(02:43:13):
have had modeling contracts,bitch.

Yeah, for sure.
I do mean in the more not in thetraditional sense or worldly
sense of You have to have a sixfigure or whatever the fuck but
that Okay, for sure.
With inflation, it'll be eightany day

Gene (02:43:31):
Mm hmm.

But like a person who it makes enough that
they can take care of not onlythemselves, but they can have
other things that they want totake care of as well and that
they can spend their money on inthe future as well.
I think without having thatfirst, you're not going to find
people who are Magically justwant to have this family because

Gene (02:43:57):
Well, and that's, that's what we need to

complaining about that, like right now,

Gene (02:44:01):
But that's, that's what we need to change that perspective
because guess what?
How many high paying salariedmen have lost their jobs?
Plenty.
And does that mean that, Oh,there's divorce immediately when
that happens?
That's not a marriage.
That's, that's not, you know,onto death do us part.

(02:44:22):
No.
When, when it's purely like theguy's job is to provide the
income for the family, no matterwhat, like that's, that's a good
goal, but it's one of many thathappens.
And there, there are likely tobe instances within the
marriage.
Where something changes,hopefully temporarily, but it
could certainly change.

(02:44:42):
You can get hit by a tornado andall your property is wiped out.
And no matter how much moneyyou're making, you still got to
recover from that.
That may cost you more than whatyou're making and insurance may
figure out a way not to coverit.
You know, there's a lot of shitthat happens and that marriage
has to be based on the fact thatthat.

(02:45:04):
It's, again, it's like thesaying goes during the marriage
ceremony, right, for richer orpoorer in sickness and in
health.

for sure,

Gene (02:45:12):
And that,

that black people, you're talking about
people who are already like inthe thought process of.
Wanting to create a good family.
And you're talking about therule set of what a good family
is.
I don't think that they'll beinterested in having a family if
they aren't secure in theirfinances, if they aren't secure

(02:45:35):
in their other

Gene (02:45:36):
the alternative?
They don't, they don't getmarried.
They stay single.
They still have sex.
They still have kids, except nowtheir kids are.
You know, an additional cost tothe mother.
And why is the mother have agreat job?
What like out of the twoalternatives, I think being with
a guy who maybe works atMcDonald's is still better than

(02:45:57):
being with nobody.

Ooh, yeah, it's tough because in the black
community, normally women marryup and across in dominance
hierarchies, in the blackcommunity, that does not happen
at all.

Gene (02:46:12):
Yeah.
But that's why I'm saying is weneed to bring the unmarried
status to become undesirableagain.
That has to go hand in hand withany other changes, because if
being unmarried.
Is desirable.
Well, of course, you're nevergoing to have people that
actually are interested ingetting married unless it's a,
some kind of a lottery winningsituation like you marry a rich

(02:46:37):
athlete or something, you know,but we all know that all those
guys are just sparing weightwomen and that's, it kind of
goes to what you were saying interms of a mixed race couples
and stuff and that there may notbe any blacks left in the United
States eventually.
Um, I think, I think it has moreto do with the the fact that

(02:47:02):
really what we have in thiscountry is not a black or white.
What we have is the, the biggestgroup after the white population
right now, I think is mixedrace.
And then after mixed race, weprobably have Hispanic.

(02:47:23):
And after Hispanic, we probablyhave Asian.
And after Asian, we have blackAmericans.
Because the number of blackpeople who do a DNA analysis of
their genes and have no Europeangenetics at all is a very small
number.
And there's a bunch of theseYouTube channels of people doing

(02:47:45):
their DNA tests, and they'realways shocked and surprised by
how much European genetics theyhave.
And it's well, you know, thatprobably wasn't a marriage.
It doesn't mean it wasn't yourrelative.
And

any,

Gene (02:48:02):
so how long,

I created you.

Gene (02:48:05):
that's right, exactly, you got the big head.
So if, if we look at, maybethat's the solution that we
ought to just start treatingmixed race in the same way that
we treat black, white, Latino,and Asian.
then all of a sudden thatbecomes a much bigger group.

I do one drop of black blood, baby.
I let drake say nigga.
I don't care

Gene (02:48:29):
Yeah, and Drake is from where?

Canada

Gene (02:48:32):
East Canadian.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

so that

Gene (02:48:35):
It, it's But that's the thing.
It's if you go by the one dropof blood thing, then which drop
of blood gets to be the dominantdrop of blood?
You know, there's How manypeople call themselves Irish and
have just one drop of blood?

yeah,

Gene (02:48:53):
And then, like I told you, when I did my DNA, DNA analysis,
I had 0.
03 percent of Pacific Islanders.
So I'm officially a Somali now,or as the Somali, that's what
I'm officially a Simone now.

Let's go.
So yeah, I have a friend who'ssamoan and They would still not
consider you Samoan.

Gene (02:49:17):
Obviously.
No, my, my MMA coach was Simoneand he was a big fucker, man.
I'm, I'm like a, not a smallguy.
This guy was a big motherfucker.

Yeah.
Samoans are absolutely normal.

Gene (02:49:32):
Yeah, they're, and I, I've always gotten along with
Simone's real good.
They're, they tend to have thatsort of a like they don't, they
don't show their emotions ontheir face.
So even if they're telling ajoke, they'll have a straight
look on their face, which I preI appreciate that kind of smart
ass sarcastic attitude.

(02:49:52):
So, yeah.
And that's the thing.
It's I, I may they may not callme a Simone, but I still have
more than a Pocahontas did.

Yes.
Oh my gosh.
That was abysmal.
She had

Gene (02:50:04):
She had none.
She literally had none.
And it was like, her rationalewas, well, my father had a big
nose and he, his friends alwaysrefer to him as Sitting Bull or
something.
It's okay, your dad had racistfriends.
What else?
That's, that's your basis forplacing yourself as Native
American?

(02:50:25):
The fuck, man.
You know, and I, I've, you know,I grew up in Minnesota, like I
said, so I've been to someNative ceremonies out there that
the Sioux do.
And the Dakota and Dakota andLakota Sioux tribes and there,
there are virtually no NativeAmericans in these tribes that

(02:50:45):
aren't half white.
There's a minuscule numberbecause for a long time they
were actually encouraged to goand marry outside of their race.

I think the last Comanche chief was half
white too.

Gene (02:51:01):
And it's true of most chiefs.
You look at them, and they'relike, Oh, dude looks kind of
like a brunette dude.
A white brunette, you know.

yeah, they kidnapped the, the mom when she
was like a little baby.
And then she eventually becamethe chief's wife,

Gene (02:51:18):
mm hmm,

and then their son was the last.
That's right.
That's where Colt got reallyfamous because the the Texas
Rangers started to do cold campsand they had to camp out in
order to beat the Comanchesbecause they were the most
feared tribe.
And that's where like that allbecame really big cause they

(02:51:41):
could then carry six shotsinstead of a one shot.

Gene (02:51:48):
Yeah, and you try reloading a single shot pistol
on a horse.

Yeah.
First off, you're going to missthat first shot

Gene (02:51:57):
Huh.
Exactly.
Hey man, I've played Red Dead.
I know exactly how to slow timedown and control my breath so I
can hit every time.

Oh, look at you.

Gene (02:52:06):
Yeah.
You ever, you ever played RedDead Redemption?

I did.

Gene (02:52:10):
That's fucking awesome, man.
It's the

It is.
It is.

Gene (02:52:14):
Incredible work.
I, I replayed Red DeadRedemption 2 about once every
year to two years.
So I think I've done fourreplays now.
And it's always just blows meaway at how good the storyline
is.

Oh yeah.
That's awesome.

Gene (02:52:31):
Yeah, good stuff.
Anyway, your, your Mike's dyingstuff's ending.
We could probably keep talkingfor another two, three hours,
but let's go ahead and wrap

Wrap it up.

Gene (02:52:42):
Yeah.

Yeah.
You'll have to invite me backagain, brother.

Gene (02:52:46):
Oh, absolutely.
Dude, I think I enjoy theseconversations and I think a lot
of the listeners do as well,although they're bitching about.
Oh, you're not on a professionalmic.

I'll start a GoFundMe.

Gene (02:53:00):
There you go, that's what everybody does these days,
right?
That's what what's her name?
Melissa Oh, who's that?
That chick she was on Who's theBoss probably way before your
time.
She was in that show with theThree Witches.
God, what is her name?
Anyway, famous Hollywood actresswith millions of dollars started

(02:53:24):
a GoFundMe to send her kid tobaseball camp.
And immediately became alaughing stock on Twitter, on X,
because it's like, Jesus Christ,man.

Things are getting rough,

Gene (02:53:36):
you're, you're asking people to donate money to send
your kid to baseball camp whenyou're living in like a 8
million house in California.
Okay.

Right.
Yeah, that's that's you know, Isent you the joy read thing, too

Gene (02:53:54):
Oh, you did?
Okay, cool.
That sounds good.
All right, guys, we're gonnaclose her up.
Hopefully you enjoyed thisepisode and we'll definitely do
more in the future as well.

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