March 27, 2024 • 36 mins
Ever felt like you needed to hit the brakes and just recharge? That's exactly where we find ourselves as we wrap up this season's final episode, and we're spilling the beans on why a breather is essential, even for us podcasters. We're also peeling back the curtain on Lindsay Lohan's return in "Irish Wish," a film that's got us riding waves of nostalgia and debating its merits. While we're at it, we're giving a shout-out to another "Mean Girls" alum's strides on stage—in the spotlight, yet again, is the enduring charm of the Plastics.
Switching gears, we're wading through the sea of media tropes, from the lovable klutz to the flawless heroine. We chew over why characters with layers are the real MVPs, all against the backdrop of Ireland's enchanting spirit—that's a conversation with more twists than a Celtic knot. And because we're all about stirring the pot, we invite you to throw in your two cents. Do these tropes deserve a spot in today's storytelling, or is it time we script a new narrative?
But it's not all fun and games—there's a sobering flip side to the entertainment industry. "Quiet on Set" pulls back the Hollywood curtain to reveal a culture of abuse that's impossible to ignore. We hash out the harsh realities child stars like Drake Bell faced and the staggering support abusers have garnered. Yet, there's a glimmer of hope amidst the darkness, with figures like Jennette McCurdy leading the charge towards reform and a safer future for child actors. Tune in as we grapple with the complexities of fame and the urgent need for change in Tinseltown.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
hello welcome.
Speaker 3 (00:03):
Happy wednesday you guys again we're running out of
steam we're running out of steamwell, it's been busy, so then,
our usual like recording night.
She's got like a reoccurringevent and so and so we've been.
(00:29):
We've been missing the markquite a bit, so we're gonna wrap
this season up shortly and comeback to you guys when we are
less busy.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Yeah, we gotta gather our thoughts.
Take a little break.
We haven't decided.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
We need you guys to miss us, because I'm sure y'all
are sick of us at this point.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
Oh man.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
But we've got things to chat about tonight.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
We sure do.
Caroline did her homework.
I finally did my homework.
Go ahead what I was going tosay say it's honestly worked out
we're doing great.
What's going?
Speaker 3 (01:12):
to say it worked out well that you were like crap, I
can't record tonight because Ihadn't watched it yet, I'd only
watched the first half.
And I was like oh, thisactually works because I need to
finish my homework which reallytracks for how I was as a
student.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Yeah, if you don't remember, your assignment two
weeks ago was to watch the newLindsay Lohan feature film on
Netflix titled the Irish wishthe Irish wish.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
I think it's just Irish wish, irish wish.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
Irish Wish.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
Which we're a little late on St Paddy's Day, but
we're celebrating all month long.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
But that movie had enough spirit to keep it going.
Let's get into it right off thebat.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
On a scale of 1 to 10,.
How much did you?
Speaker 2 (02:05):
like it.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
I don't know if that's the right question to ask
me because I didn't like maybeit's because I watched it alone,
but I didn't like love it.
I thought it was like fine.
It like scratched it.
Like it didn't scratch an itch,but it scratched like Uh, Like
(02:31):
a tiny little, Like I don't know.
It was like a not supersatisfying.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
It's the movie nobody asked for, but we all Said, ok,
I'll watch it.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
But all in all, I'm really proud of her.
I think she did an amazing job.
She looked incredible.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
She.
I liked it more than herChristmas movie you did.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
I liked the Christmas one more, oh really.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
I really enjoyed Irish wish Um.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
Okay, how come?
Speaker 3 (03:03):
I think I, I think it honestly.
I think it comes down to Iwatched it alone and I needed
someone for commentary, yeah,and so I think I just like I, I
watched falling in love with youand so we like talked about it.
I mean because we can't keepour mouth shut in a movie.
So we talked to the whole thingand then I think I just needed
some.
It was like a little too cornyto watch by myself yeah if that
(03:29):
makes sense?
Speaker 2 (03:30):
yeah, it totally does I.
I watched it myself and Ididn't hate it.
Hate it.
I don't know, maybe I was justfeeling in like a rom-commy
hallmarky mood, but um, yes, I'mso proud of lindsey lohan.
We are all here for her.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
We are like I mean, she has come back well she's
just.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
She was so talented at a young age.
Fame got the best of her, as itdoes yes most child stars.
She's like just doing I don'tknow.
I just feel like she looks good.
She's like, really, I feel likeshe's like I I would personally
(04:13):
love to see her do more thanhallmark, but I but I feel like,
even in spite of that, I feellike she's not.
She's like doing the most withwhat she has now.
And even if this was, what shedid for the rest of her life.
I'd be like amazing, you likethat?
Speaker 3 (04:29):
good for you.
She's doing better thangretchen wieners that's true.
I mean, I don't know gretchenin that hallmark money for years
that's true, that, but I just Ijust mean like I the movies
that lindsey has been in havebeen way more like popular than
I think it's just because of thename, I think it's just be yeah
(04:49):
.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
I think it's because we're like collectively but I
think that's what I mean excitedshe's back.
And Gretchen Wiener what is herreal name, I don't know, but
she never went away and Lindsay,like, went away in a hard way
and now she's back andeveryone's so excited.
I thought she looked I know not.
Her styling in the movie was sogood.
(05:10):
I thought she looked adorablein every outfit she did her hair
looked so good.
It like she really did.
Her makeup was great, like Ijust feel like they did her so
well with this movie yeah, Iagree.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
I I mean really when, when.
What is the last movie she wasin?
Was it I mean before falling inlove?
Was it mean girls?
Speaker 2 (05:35):
I think there might have been another one or two.
Should I google?
Should I live?
Speaker 3 (05:40):
google it because, because I was trying to think of
it and I should have Googled itbefore this, but, once again,
didn't do my homework, but I waslike man Mean Girls.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
Weirdly enough, my Google isn't working.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
Mean.
Girls was such a hit.
I know have you seen the newMean Girls yet.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
No, I still haven't seen it.
Have you, I haven't either, butI've heard really good things.
Okay, I want to see it, so bad.
So I, who was the older ladywho was Lindsay Lohan's mom in
this movie?
I feel like I should know whoshe is.
(06:18):
She had a very familiar faceand I feel like they got her for
her name, her name to be inthat movie.
But I was like, oh, I don'tknow who that is.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
I don't know, but okay, lindsey's been freaky
friday okay, but she's been inso many movies that like we just
didn't even pay attentiongeorgia rule.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
These aren't in order wait, who no?
Speaker 3 (06:43):
like there's been literally so many movies that
I've never even heard of, likeLabor Pains.
Oh, machete, I got a clue 2010.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
Oh, Labor Pains.
Yeah, no idea.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
Scary Movie 5 in 2013 .
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Life Size.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
Oh my gosh.
Life Size was so good Life.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
Size.
She's in poor things, thatmovie okay, yeah, she's been in
a lot who is she in the holiday?
Speaker 1 (07:16):
the holiday I don't think she's in the holiday?
Speaker 2 (07:21):
no idea, okay, well, before we go into this rabbit
hole somebody tell us speakingof?
I just got an ad.
I listened to the smart listpodcast and they've been
advertising this podcast calledwiki hole, which I think they
like I haven't listened to it,but they it sounds like on the
podcast they literally justwikipedia things and, like you
(07:45):
know how, anytime you get onWikipedia you just like click
further and further in.
There's like a podcast where youlike wiki link with the hosts,
like you're like on the rabbithole with them and I thought I
thought that was a funny, I lovethis for a also like what is
your most Wikipedia thing?
Speaker 3 (08:09):
Because mine is 100 percent like Bd list celebrities
.
Yeah, I mean, I like I'll bewatching something and be like
what are they doing now?
Speaker 2 (08:15):
today I went on a wiki hole about zionists and the
state of israel.
There's a little history lessontoday, so yeah, I don't know it
kind of mine kind of is allover the place, but I okay, what
were we talking about?
Speaker 3 (08:32):
I just always think about teachers being like,
Wikipedia is not a source.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
I know jokes on them.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
Also.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
If only they knew we'd be using it for everything
that and you're not gonna beable to carry a calculator
around in your pocket like jokeyeah, the future was beyond what
they could imagine.
Um, so okay, we talked about.
Was there any notes?
I mean, I don't know, I don'thave any major notes, oh, other
(08:58):
than irish wish.
I feel like she was supposed tobe like klutzy in the movie and
like the bike scene, the butthat's me on a bike, if we're
being honest.
And the part where she gets her, like in the very beginning she
gets her scarf ripped off by acar door.
She like gets out of the carand her scarf is stuck in the
(09:20):
car door?
Speaker 3 (09:20):
Yeah, and she like spins around.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
And I had, like, I was like triggered about
learning about isadora duncan,the mother of modern dance died
in a freak accident because shewas in a convertible with a
scarf on and the, and the scarfgot stuck in the wheat in the
wheel of the car and itstrangled her to death.
(09:42):
So for you're kidding, I'm notkidding, isn't that wild?
so anyway, I I thought you weresupposed to wear cute little
scarves and convertibles so didshe make sure they're short,
short, little handkerchief scarfonly but yeah, so anyway the
opening of the movie that wealmost have a little isadora
(10:04):
duncan moment with lindsey, butshe does a little spin and but
anyway, from then on it was likeart, is this part of your
personality?
Speaker 3 (10:11):
I'm over that trope honestly, like when she knocked
the vase.
I was like here we go here wego.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
Yeah, why is that a personality trait?
Speaker 3 (10:22):
I don't know, I'm over it.
I'm so over it.
I think that's what it was forme.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
I was like surprised we were doing like I was.
I was like, oh, this is.
It's been a minute since we'veseen this yes, it feels very
like early 2000s maybe like thecute, quirky, clumsy girl.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
Yeah I'm over it.
Like, aren't we all clumsy?
Speaker 2 (10:45):
I'm also aren't we all just, yes, dropping things?
Speaker 3 (10:48):
I was gonna say jay has this like reoccurring thing
with, with a group, like some ofour friends, that like every
time we're together jay breakssomething uh-huh but like I
wouldn't say that, that's likeoh, you know, jay, he's such a
clut.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
No, you know he's such a clut?
Speaker 3 (11:04):
No, you know he's such a clut.
I don't know.
It just is weird.
I don't know anyone that that'stheir personality trait.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
Yeah, okay, another trope.
This is random, but anothertrope Is that the right word,
trope?
Speaker 2 (11:23):
I was about to Google it, but I think so I think it's
more trope.
I think has more to do withlike a storyline, not
necessarily a personality okay.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
well, this like personality of a main character
that I'm over, which I was justtalking to someone that I'm
reading the same book series asthem, but the like personality
where the main character is afemale and they can like do no
wrong and like they just likegive to the needy.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
Oh, and they like are just so.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
Like the like ultimate protagonist, Like.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
Yes and like, yeah, like, if they do something wrong
, it ultimately ends up workingout and it was like good.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
They were actually helping someone in the end.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
They yes, yes, or like everyone's mad at them
because they, like, went out ona limb to help someone.
It's like when they dosomething wrong, it's like
actually a good thing.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
Have you seen that in something recently?
Speaker 3 (12:20):
Yeah, the books that I'm reading, I kind of feel that
way about the main characterInteresting.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
I feel like I haven't seen that in a while.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
I don't know.
I just feel like she can do nowrong and it just doesn't feel
super dynamic to me.
Yeah, it's not it feels alittle bit like she's really
flat.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
And she's the main character.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
Yeah, and I didn't really realize I felt that way
until one of my friends was like, oh yeah, she's not my favorite
character in the book and I waslike, oh, oh, great, okay, she
doesn't have to be my favorite,because I feel like the book's
trying to force her to be myfavorite, interesting.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
Do you want to say what book it is so other people
can relate or not?
Speaker 3 (13:01):
I don't want people to get mad, but farah and akatar
everyone like I think I thinkeveryone loves her and I like
her, like I've liked herthroughout the whole series, but
I like told one of my friendsI'm like she's kind of annoying
me and they're like, oh yeah,like I think like everyone's
annoyed by her and I was like Idon't think so interesting but I
(13:22):
thought it was.
Yeah, I thought that wasinteresting because I think
she's supposed to be like thegirl everyone loves yeah, I.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
That annoys me too, just because it's not realistic,
but you know which maybe it'llchange.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
Either be perfect or clumsy.
Pick one, yeah, perfect, clumsy.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
Those are your two options or like terrible,
terrible, or dumb, or yeah,girls man that's about it,
though so many I don't thinkwe've missed any clumsy, perfect
dumb, or clumsy or slutty.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
That's the mean girls cast, I guess yeah, yeah, it
really is, and I was thinkinglike in the sex lives of college
girls show, which I freakinglove that show it's kind of
similar.
It's kind of similar.
Maybe it's just yeah like smartor we like.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
Maybe that's we just need to like work on forming
that as a friend group.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
Maybe there's something there yeah, maybe,
maybe that's so funny man, okay,but I, I know we've said that
we were, which I don't know.
Do you have any more notes onirish?
Speaker 2 (14:30):
no, I'm done.
It was great, loved it.
Happy for her.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
Yay, ireland yeah, if if any, if anyone has notes,
send them and we will share,because last note.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
My last note.
I will finish with this I okay,girl who grants the wish, who
was like a saint, I guess.
Oh, uh-huh, yeah, was like thecot, like she was like in this
weird, like 60s scarf talkthere's lots of scarves in this
movie and she had the weirdest.
Like she was the equivalent ofthe like surprise santa claus
(15:07):
and all the hallmark movies,like the mysterious character
but she just was like it wasweird, it was over it was like
forms of her winking, like likenon-human forms of her winking
and then like her just showingup outside.
Of windows and her likescampering off like a little
like like little squirrel it was.
(15:28):
Yeah, I mean, I don't know whatelse you're going to do with
that character, but it was justlike this.
I was like this feels so likebizarre, but that was it, yeah.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
It felt bizarre, but not far off, it felt like okay,
how can we replicate a Christmasmovie?
Speaker 2 (15:45):
but make it.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
St Patrick's day.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
Yeah, yeah, pretty much, pretty much.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
I am pretty much pretty much okay, but that's it
and we're about to take a darkturn because we did not warn
y'all about this.
But we've got to discuss sowe've got to, and it's like on
topic with child actors andactresses.
I know y'all know where we'regoing with this, but quiet on
set quiet on set oh my gosh ifyou haven't well, not Netflix,
(16:13):
but they've been popping outlike crazy documentaries lately
Like the program happened likethree weeks ago.
Irish Wish the program messed meup, I know, and then came Quiet
on Set.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
If you don't know what Quiet on Set is, it is a
three episode documentary, formaybe it's a mini series about
um the nickelodeon in the 1990sand through mid 2000s, or no,
through teens late, I mean teens, yeah, because um, and things
(16:48):
didn't come out until late teensthe work culture under
Schneider, who was the mainshowrunner at that time.
I mean, I won't give a wholedebrief.
I feel like most people knowwhat it is.
But the big thing about thisdocumentary is people had known
that there was sexual abuse onset.
It wasn't until this documentarythat the person who was abused
(17:12):
came forward and gives a likepersonal testimony for the very
public, I mean, I guess for thefirst time, because he was a
minor when it happened, so hewas like a John Doe in the case,
and so this was like his firstpublic, like account of his
experience.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
And it was Drake Bell , which I'm sure you saw.
Yeah, drake Bell, it was sospeaking of like no one knowing
that it was him the part wherehe was talking about in the
courtroom when he showed up forcourt, because no one knew it
was him and he, like, didn'twant anyone to know it was him.
Obviously it.
(17:52):
The only people he had on hisside supporting him in the
courtroom were his mom and hisbrother and then on um brian
peck's side, it was like whichwas his vocal coach his vocal
and acting coach um and and wasmany, many, many young Hollywood
(18:12):
stars vocal and acting coach,including Leo.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
Yeah, which.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
I was like ooh, this is not, this is giving me bad
vibes.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
I know.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
But his entire side was like full to the brim with
like well-known celebrities andlike people that Drake knew, and
they were on the pedophile side.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
I just I can't imagine how that must have felt
and he got a really, really lowuh sentence because he had so
many letters of like charactersupport.
What do you call?
Is that what?
Speaker 1 (18:44):
you call them character?
Speaker 2 (18:45):
yeah, I heard yeah, another official term is, but
basically people writing andbeing like this guy's a a great
guy, even if he did do wrong itwas because of like, basically a
lot of people did like victimshamed it was or, sorry, victim
blamed.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
But which?
That coming out was wild too,like all.
Like what's his name?
Oh, the James Mard Mars.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (19:17):
I oh, the james marred mars.
Yeah, I know that's one of thepeople and I was like oh, my
gosh, and I don't think he'scome out and said anything yet.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
I know that I've seen if people are gonna say things.
One person has said like if Ihad known what I know now, I
would have not written theletter remember that they must
have been asked to comment thedocumentary but yeah, it was.
I think it was like a reallyinteresting.
It was sad overall, extremelysad, but interesting to watch
because we like grew up with allof these actors and I think as
(19:45):
a child in the 90s so many ofthe people in the documentary
talked about how like being onNickelodeon was like their
absolute dream and how a childactor like that's what you're.
And I remember, like as a kid,just thinking that that was just
like the ultimate coolest thingyou could do, and so we
(20:07):
idolized it, yeah.
So it was just really.
It was like reallyheartbreaking and interesting
and like I don't know you.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
just I feel like we have such a parasocial, like we
were so innocent to know that itwasn't okay, Like the way that
they treated kids on set, likein scenes.
They put kids in really, reallyuncomfortable positions and the
(20:49):
way that it was shown to us askids and we didn't even know, I
don't know that felt reallybizarre to me of like, oh my
gosh, I was watching thesethings without even knowing and
meanwhile there's adults on setcracking up at these kids.
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
That felt really, really to me.
They brought it up that onNickelodeon you almost never saw
adults on screen or in cartoonsor anything.
Nickelodeon was for kids and soI think it's interesting
because I wonder, as a child, ifan adult had been in the frame
(21:33):
when, like these, like for I'mthinking of that show that all
these kids talked about theywere like do the double dare,
not double dare, double dare waslike the one with the no, the
one that mimicked um fear factor.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
It was like a fear factor show for kids I never
watched.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
I didn't even know it existed.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
Honestly, I show for kids.
I never watched, I didn't evenknow it existed.
Honestly, I I watched it and Ididn't like it.
I remember like because I hatedfear factor.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
It made me feel like, stressed okay, interesting
because I've never watched itand all the kids talk about how,
like they were input insituations that actually made
them feel very unsafe and afraid, and how they would vocalize
like I'm uncomfortable with thison on screen and nothing would
happen.
And so I was.
I was thinking like I wonder ifthere had been like adult
(22:19):
figures in these situations, ifit would make us feel more weird
about it.
But because it was all kids, itfelt somewhat safe.
I don't know, but it'sinteresting to hear that you say
that it actually did make youfeel anxious watching it.
Oh, that makes me even more sadactually.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
Because I mean they're like putting kids in
bathtubs with worms and the kidsare freaking out.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
I remember feeling like very stressed.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
Yeah, interesting, but I mean I, was probably
somewhat pretty young.
I can't remember when that showwas airing, but um, and I think
now I would feel uncomfortableto watch b, and that was one of
the things that they brought upis that we watched fear factor
but those that's adults andthese were minors and like it's
(23:11):
fear factor is totally differentwhen it's minors because, like
these kids aren't necessarilylike signing up for these things
and even if they are they don'thave, like the right and
they're not developed enough andnot their brain isn't developed
enough to know how to likeprocess through these.
(23:32):
I don't know like stressfulsituations right, yeah, yeah so
um, yeah, I don't know beforethis I had I had listened to.
If y'all haven't listened, ifyou're into this kind of stuff
and you don't know about allisonstoner's podcast, um, it's gosh
, what is it called?
I gotta look it up now.
But she was a Disney Channellittle queen and she talked she
(23:58):
does a podcast about the setting, like how you, what's it like,
to what, what it's like to workas a child in Hollywood and how
Hollywood is very much foradults, but then there's kids
put into it but there's nomeasures taken to like protect
or enrich children.
They're basically just likeshowing up to an adult workplace
(24:20):
and so then, as you can imagine, all of these things ensue
because they're in a placethat's not for them and she's in
it Anyway for them.
Um, yeah, and she's and it'sanyway.
So the podcast talks about herexperience psychologically on
the whole, like she references aton of studies about child
stardom and what it does to likethe developing mind, and then
(24:43):
at the end she um explains herkind of call to action for the
industry.
She's written, she's likewritten these.
I guess they're like lesser,like lessons that any set that
has a child can apply to getthis like resource.
That would that.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
It's like a training program, so you would like put
your whole crew through thisvery sort of like when you work
at a church, you have have totake the safe sanctuary class.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
Yes, exactly, but it's for, like the film TV
industry, around children.
And so yeah, and it doesn'thave to do just with, like,
sexual crimes, but like Well,yeah, because there's so many
other things that like.
It's more like preventative.
It's like all these, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:30):
I mean, I could seriously talk about this
forever I mean, I know, I justfound the documentary to be so
um, and I think mostly, like yousaid, because we idolize them
so much.
And now we're seeing all ofthese child stars coming out
saying I would never put mychild through this yeah, um and
(25:51):
I don't know.
I find that so interesting andand I think it was really
interesting seeing the parentsum the differences in the
parents.
Like I you know, we've seendrake bell come out on the other
side and I mean look at his dadyeah, his
Speaker 2 (26:07):
dad, like I mean genuinely did everything he
could protect him, yeah and wasvery involved in all of these
things.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
And then you see, you know, like britney's parents,
who britney spears?
Whose parents were, like youknow, were doing everything they
could to like just get moneyand not protect her, and she
like hasn't really come out.
On the other side, Right.
So I just I find it really andand I I also just to touch on
(26:38):
that one guy who him, him andhis mom like had a falling out
because his mom was trying toprotect him on set, because it
was very obvious that they weredoing things that like were
microaggressions towards hisrace.
He was a black kid and theywere, like she said, she very,
(27:00):
very clearly noticed likefavoritism and it being based on
race and started to kind ofmake a fuss as a mom or anyone
would do.
Then he ended up losing hisspot and how he like was
devastated and was so angry athis mom and I just I found that
(27:23):
so hard to think through Becauseit's just like you know, of
course you want to fight foryour kid and then of course your
kid wants you to fight for them, but like also it could make
you lose your career, I don'tknow it's just so they literally
like set you up to where youcan't fight for your kid I know
well, and I think this had to do.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
I don't know that I feel like probably yes, across
the board, but it sounded likethis and this, like Nickelodeon
in particular, with under thisguy in particular, was like yes,
really really bad.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
Oh my gosh, but oh the podcast.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
I was thinking about was called Dear Hollywood and
it's pretty short, it's.
So if you're interested in this, it's so, so good.
But yeah, I know it, just it's.
And I've never thought aboutthis either because I'm like
gosh, how are we just now, howhave we not learned?
But I, I mean I think startingin the 90s, that's when, like
(28:27):
children's television, thatwasn't like PBS or like
non-educational children'stelevision, wasn't around until
1990.
Speaker 3 (28:40):
Well, and they say Dan Schneider was a huge part of
that movement.
He was the first person to comeup with adult style television
for kids.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (28:50):
Like he started.
He saw SNL and thought, let medo this for kids.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
Yeah, so it'll just be interesting to see how, like
we had.
We've had two decades, threedecades of it, and enough.
Enough time has passed for usto see what happens to children
when things aren't handled wellso it'll be interesting to see,
like knowing what we know nowand with all the coverage we
(29:14):
have around children'stelevision and all these things
coming out and personaltestimonies like the jeanette
mccurdy autobiography which isso good if you haven't listened
to my mom died.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
It is.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
It's really eye-opening but I, it'll be just
interesting to see, like, ifthere is reform, if child yeah
like this, like tumultuous childstardom starts to change like
that.
Speaker 3 (29:41):
I don't know, I was honestly wondering if we would
see a shortage in child stars,like if they would start like I.
I was thinking about thisdocumentary and after I've seen
so many stars come out and say Iwould absolutely never let my
kid be a child actor.
I don't know, and who knows, ifthat would ever happen, but I
was like I wonder if they willhave a harder time finding kids
(30:06):
with parents that are willing toput them in this.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
Maybe, but if you think about the, the amount,
there's already such so manypeople auditioning and so little
roles yeah, that's true like.
Speaker 3 (30:19):
I just don't know if that would ever be the case yeah
, yeah, well, and I think too,if there were to be some sort of
reform and I and I think therealready has been somewhat of a
reform- yeah, just there's morelaws around people being
actively.
I kept thinking the whole time.
I am so glad people freakingsay stuff now yeah there were
(30:44):
women, grown women, workingunder this asshole, dan
Schneider, who were beingverbally and sexually harassed.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (30:57):
And they were terrified to say anything,
because they knew that he wasprotected and they weren't and
that they wouldn't be able tofind other work because women
weren't represented.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
Yes, that's what I mean.
Yes, I know that's a wholeother topic.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
I mean they were splitting, they were sharing a
salary, their salary's a wholeother topic.
I mean that they were splitting, they were sharing a salary,
their salary and then laterfound out yes, and they knew it,
like they took it because theywere like this is my dream job.
I cannot pass this down.
I know this is unfair, but likeI have to take it and then
later come to find out it wasillegal, like they.
Speaker 3 (31:30):
Yeah find out it was illegal, like they.
Yeah, well, and then dan threatone.
Dan threatened them and waslike which?
One of you snooped around.
Which one of you like asked ifthis was okay and then he
basically edged them out likeyeah yeah, after like.
After publicly embarrassingthem and sexually harassing them
in front of rooms of people, heedged them out.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
Yeah, it's so saying that for them and his apology.
Speaker 3 (31:58):
His apology is the slimiest thing I've ever seen.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
Where was that at the end, or what?
No?
Speaker 3 (32:06):
no, he has, since the documentary he has been
interviewed by someone that I'msure is trying to protect his
ego as well okay and it's, it'sso slimy it's what's he saying?
Yeah, I've learned.
He says it was really hard towatch and he's learned so much
since then and he's been adifferent person and and he
(32:29):
still since what?
Speaker 2 (32:31):
since tuesday or Tuesday or last Sunday?
Speaker 3 (32:33):
yes, no well, yes oh, just since it all happened, no,
he says like since it allhappened, like he's grown a lot
over the years and he was neverkicked out from being on set.
He chose after having someissues with one of the like he
just I mean, you'll have to justgo watch it.
I think it's all over TikTok,that's where I saw it, but I I,
that's my over TikTok, that'swhere I saw it, but that's my
rabbit hole.
(32:53):
Instead of Wiki, I like TikTokrabbit hole but it's just slimy
and it's really disgusting tothink that he has been allowed
to.
I mean, he's continued hiscareer right.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
I don't know the documentary made it sound like
he.
I don't think on thedocumentary made it sound like
he's Disney hired him.
Oh, Disney hired him.
I thought.
Wait no no no, you're thinkingof the Predator.
Speaker 3 (33:23):
Of Brian, they hired Bryce, yeah, which that's also
probably.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
They made it sound like what's-his-name hasn't
worked in the industry since heleft nick elodian okay, oh it's
oh, I was kind of wanting tohear more from the guy that ran
double dare, because I lovedthat show me too.
Speaker 3 (33:43):
Also, what about legends of the hidden temple?
Speaker 2 (33:45):
that show was the shit, they were pre dan
schneider, I think.
I think, think Double Dare andLegends were like pre him
because they were like gameshows.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, those wereamazing.
I loved those.
Speaker 3 (34:01):
Me too, me too.
What was the one that was likeBinds?
Speaker 2 (34:05):
Guts, I know, I know she.
When I think about it, shereally was so charismatic and
talented.
Speaker 3 (34:15):
It makes me so, so, wildly talented and I know that
like Dan didn't have any thingwith kids like that we saw on
the documentary.
It was more like just like workabuse and like really creepy
stuff.
I mean creepy stuff.
He was, I think, very creepytowards Ariana Grande and like
(34:39):
Jeanette.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
McCurdy, I mean all, and Amanda Bynes.
Speaker 3 (34:43):
No, that's what I mean, and Amanda, but no one has
come out and said like anythingSpecific.
I feel like everyone's justbeen like I got like major
creeps from him and I'd beinterested if amanda had
anything to say, I know me too Imean, like I said, I could talk
(35:03):
.
I know we're running low ontime.
I could talk about this forhours.
If anyone wants to talk aboutit, just tell me.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
Let us know what you know.
Speaker 3 (35:11):
You're off the word bird, yeah let us know what you
know, send us anything that yousee about it and so that I can
do more rabbit holing, yes, andthen the program is like a whole
other episode I could talkthrough yeah, maybe we could do
that one next.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
We'll just get and get, start getting into our dark
documentaries.
Um, maybe that's what thisshould have been about all along
, because I've got endlesscommentary about that.
Speaker 3 (35:36):
We're like no, let's talk about the Cabbage Patch
Museum that we've never been to.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
Oh man, All right.
Well, we missed you on.
Tuesday.
Thanks for listening.
Leigh Sorry to end on a sadtopic.
If there's anything you reallywant to talk about for our last
episode, let us know.
Speaker 3 (35:59):
Yes, and then we will .
We'll wrap things up and beback soon-ish, whenever we have
more things to talk about Okay.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
We'll see you next Tuesdayuesday.
See you next tuesday, thank you.
hello welcome.
Speaker 3 (00:03):
Happy wednesday you guys again we're running out of
steam we're running out of steamwell, it's been busy, so then,
our usual like recording night.
She's got like a reoccurringevent and so and so we've been.
(00:29):
We've been missing the markquite a bit, so we're gonna wrap
this season up shortly and comeback to you guys when we are
less busy.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Yeah, we gotta gather our thoughts.
Take a little break.
We haven't decided.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
We need you guys to miss us, because I'm sure y'all
are sick of us at this point.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
Oh man.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
But we've got things to chat about tonight.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
We sure do.
Caroline did her homework.
I finally did my homework.
Go ahead what I was going tosay say it's honestly worked out
we're doing great.
What's going?
Speaker 3 (01:12):
to say it worked out well that you were like crap, I
can't record tonight because Ihadn't watched it yet, I'd only
watched the first half.
And I was like oh, thisactually works because I need to
finish my homework which reallytracks for how I was as a
student.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Yeah, if you don't remember, your assignment two
weeks ago was to watch the newLindsay Lohan feature film on
Netflix titled the Irish wishthe Irish wish.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
I think it's just Irish wish, irish wish.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
Irish Wish.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
Which we're a little late on St Paddy's Day, but
we're celebrating all month long.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
But that movie had enough spirit to keep it going.
Let's get into it right off thebat.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
On a scale of 1 to 10,.
How much did you?
Speaker 2 (02:05):
like it.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
I don't know if that's the right question to ask
me because I didn't like maybeit's because I watched it alone,
but I didn't like love it.
I thought it was like fine.
It like scratched it.
Like it didn't scratch an itch,but it scratched like Uh, Like
(02:31):
a tiny little, Like I don't know.
It was like a not supersatisfying.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
It's the movie nobody asked for, but we all Said, ok,
I'll watch it.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
But all in all, I'm really proud of her.
I think she did an amazing job.
She looked incredible.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
She.
I liked it more than herChristmas movie you did.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
I liked the Christmas one more, oh really.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
I really enjoyed Irish wish Um.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
Okay, how come?
Speaker 3 (03:03):
I think I, I think it honestly.
I think it comes down to Iwatched it alone and I needed
someone for commentary, yeah,and so I think I just like I, I
watched falling in love with youand so we like talked about it.
I mean because we can't keepour mouth shut in a movie.
So we talked to the whole thingand then I think I just needed
some.
It was like a little too cornyto watch by myself yeah if that
(03:29):
makes sense?
Speaker 2 (03:30):
yeah, it totally does I.
I watched it myself and Ididn't hate it.
Hate it.
I don't know, maybe I was justfeeling in like a rom-commy
hallmarky mood, but um, yes, I'mso proud of lindsey lohan.
We are all here for her.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
We are like I mean, she has come back well she's
just.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
She was so talented at a young age.
Fame got the best of her, as itdoes yes most child stars.
She's like just doing I don'tknow.
I just feel like she looks good.
She's like, really, I feel likeshe's like I I would personally
(04:13):
love to see her do more thanhallmark, but I but I feel like,
even in spite of that, I feellike she's not.
She's like doing the most withwhat she has now.
And even if this was, what shedid for the rest of her life.
I'd be like amazing, you likethat?
Speaker 3 (04:29):
good for you.
She's doing better thangretchen wieners that's true.
I mean, I don't know gretchenin that hallmark money for years
that's true, that, but I just Ijust mean like I the movies
that lindsey has been in havebeen way more like popular than
I think it's just because of thename, I think it's just be yeah
(04:49):
.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
I think it's because we're like collectively but I
think that's what I mean excitedshe's back.
And Gretchen Wiener what is herreal name, I don't know, but
she never went away and Lindsay,like, went away in a hard way
and now she's back andeveryone's so excited.
I thought she looked I know not.
Her styling in the movie was sogood.
(05:10):
I thought she looked adorablein every outfit she did her hair
looked so good.
It like she really did.
Her makeup was great, like Ijust feel like they did her so
well with this movie yeah, Iagree.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
I I mean really when, when.
What is the last movie she wasin?
Was it I mean before falling inlove?
Was it mean girls?
Speaker 2 (05:35):
I think there might have been another one or two.
Should I google?
Should I live?
Speaker 3 (05:40):
google it because, because I was trying to think of
it and I should have Googled itbefore this, but, once again,
didn't do my homework, but I waslike man Mean Girls.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
Weirdly enough, my Google isn't working.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
Mean.
Girls was such a hit.
I know have you seen the newMean Girls yet.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
No, I still haven't seen it.
Have you, I haven't either, butI've heard really good things.
Okay, I want to see it, so bad.
So I, who was the older ladywho was Lindsay Lohan's mom in
this movie?
I feel like I should know whoshe is.
(06:18):
She had a very familiar faceand I feel like they got her for
her name, her name to be inthat movie.
But I was like, oh, I don'tknow who that is.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
I don't know, but okay, lindsey's been freaky
friday okay, but she's been inso many movies that like we just
didn't even pay attentiongeorgia rule.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
These aren't in order wait, who no?
Speaker 3 (06:43):
like there's been literally so many movies that
I've never even heard of, likeLabor Pains.
Oh, machete, I got a clue 2010.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
Oh, Labor Pains.
Yeah, no idea.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
Scary Movie 5 in 2013 .
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Life Size.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
Oh my gosh.
Life Size was so good Life.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
Size.
She's in poor things, thatmovie okay, yeah, she's been in
a lot who is she in the holiday?
Speaker 1 (07:16):
the holiday I don't think she's in the holiday?
Speaker 2 (07:21):
no idea, okay, well, before we go into this rabbit
hole somebody tell us speakingof?
I just got an ad.
I listened to the smart listpodcast and they've been
advertising this podcast calledwiki hole, which I think they
like I haven't listened to it,but they it sounds like on the
podcast they literally justwikipedia things and, like you
(07:45):
know how, anytime you get onWikipedia you just like click
further and further in.
There's like a podcast where youlike wiki link with the hosts,
like you're like on the rabbithole with them and I thought I
thought that was a funny, I lovethis for a also like what is
your most Wikipedia thing?
Speaker 3 (08:09):
Because mine is 100 percent like Bd list celebrities
.
Yeah, I mean, I like I'll bewatching something and be like
what are they doing now?
Speaker 2 (08:15):
today I went on a wiki hole about zionists and the
state of israel.
There's a little history lessontoday, so yeah, I don't know it
kind of mine kind of is allover the place, but I okay, what
were we talking about?
Speaker 3 (08:32):
I just always think about teachers being like,
Wikipedia is not a source.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
I know jokes on them.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
Also.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
If only they knew we'd be using it for everything
that and you're not gonna beable to carry a calculator
around in your pocket like jokeyeah, the future was beyond what
they could imagine.
Um, so okay, we talked about.
Was there any notes?
I mean, I don't know, I don'thave any major notes, oh, other
(08:58):
than irish wish.
I feel like she was supposed tobe like klutzy in the movie and
like the bike scene, the butthat's me on a bike, if we're
being honest.
And the part where she gets her, like in the very beginning she
gets her scarf ripped off by acar door.
She like gets out of the carand her scarf is stuck in the
(09:20):
car door?
Speaker 3 (09:20):
Yeah, and she like spins around.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
And I had, like, I was like triggered about
learning about isadora duncan,the mother of modern dance died
in a freak accident because shewas in a convertible with a
scarf on and the, and the scarfgot stuck in the wheat in the
wheel of the car and itstrangled her to death.
(09:42):
So for you're kidding, I'm notkidding, isn't that wild?
so anyway, I I thought you weresupposed to wear cute little
scarves and convertibles so didshe make sure they're short,
short, little handkerchief scarfonly but yeah, so anyway the
opening of the movie that wealmost have a little isadora
(10:04):
duncan moment with lindsey, butshe does a little spin and but
anyway, from then on it was likeart, is this part of your
personality?
Speaker 3 (10:11):
I'm over that trope honestly, like when she knocked
the vase.
I was like here we go here wego.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
Yeah, why is that a personality trait?
Speaker 3 (10:22):
I don't know, I'm over it.
I'm so over it.
I think that's what it was forme.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
I was like surprised we were doing like I was.
I was like, oh, this is.
It's been a minute since we'veseen this yes, it feels very
like early 2000s maybe like thecute, quirky, clumsy girl.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
Yeah I'm over it.
Like, aren't we all clumsy?
Speaker 2 (10:45):
I'm also aren't we all just, yes, dropping things?
Speaker 3 (10:48):
I was gonna say jay has this like reoccurring thing
with, with a group, like some ofour friends, that like every
time we're together jay breakssomething uh-huh but like I
wouldn't say that, that's likeoh, you know, jay, he's such a
clut.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
No, you know he's such a clut?
Speaker 3 (11:04):
No, you know he's such a clut.
I don't know.
It just is weird.
I don't know anyone that that'stheir personality trait.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
Yeah, okay, another trope.
This is random, but anothertrope Is that the right word,
trope?
Speaker 2 (11:23):
I was about to Google it, but I think so I think it's
more trope.
I think has more to do withlike a storyline, not
necessarily a personality okay.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
well, this like personality of a main character
that I'm over, which I was justtalking to someone that I'm
reading the same book series asthem, but the like personality
where the main character is afemale and they can like do no
wrong and like they just likegive to the needy.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
Oh, and they like are just so.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
Like the like ultimate protagonist, Like.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
Yes and like, yeah, like, if they do something wrong
, it ultimately ends up workingout and it was like good.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
They were actually helping someone in the end.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
They yes, yes, or like everyone's mad at them
because they, like, went out ona limb to help someone.
It's like when they dosomething wrong, it's like
actually a good thing.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
Have you seen that in something recently?
Speaker 3 (12:20):
Yeah, the books that I'm reading, I kind of feel that
way about the main characterInteresting.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
I feel like I haven't seen that in a while.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
I don't know.
I just feel like she can do nowrong and it just doesn't feel
super dynamic to me.
Yeah, it's not it feels alittle bit like she's really
flat.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
And she's the main character.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
Yeah, and I didn't really realize I felt that way
until one of my friends was like, oh yeah, she's not my favorite
character in the book and I waslike, oh, oh, great, okay, she
doesn't have to be my favorite,because I feel like the book's
trying to force her to be myfavorite, interesting.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
Do you want to say what book it is so other people
can relate or not?
Speaker 3 (13:01):
I don't want people to get mad, but farah and akatar
everyone like I think I thinkeveryone loves her and I like
her, like I've liked herthroughout the whole series, but
I like told one of my friendsI'm like she's kind of annoying
me and they're like, oh yeah,like I think like everyone's
annoyed by her and I was like Idon't think so interesting but I
(13:22):
thought it was.
Yeah, I thought that wasinteresting because I think
she's supposed to be like thegirl everyone loves yeah, I.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
That annoys me too, just because it's not realistic,
but you know which maybe it'llchange.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
Either be perfect or clumsy.
Pick one, yeah, perfect, clumsy.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
Those are your two options or like terrible,
terrible, or dumb, or yeah,girls man that's about it,
though so many I don't thinkwe've missed any clumsy, perfect
dumb, or clumsy or slutty.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
That's the mean girls cast, I guess yeah, yeah, it
really is, and I was thinkinglike in the sex lives of college
girls show, which I freakinglove that show it's kind of
similar.
It's kind of similar.
Maybe it's just yeah like smartor we like.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
Maybe that's we just need to like work on forming
that as a friend group.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
Maybe there's something there yeah, maybe,
maybe that's so funny man, okay,but I, I know we've said that
we were, which I don't know.
Do you have any more notes onirish?
Speaker 2 (14:30):
no, I'm done.
It was great, loved it.
Happy for her.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
Yay, ireland yeah, if if any, if anyone has notes,
send them and we will share,because last note.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
My last note.
I will finish with this I okay,girl who grants the wish, who
was like a saint, I guess.
Oh, uh-huh, yeah, was like thecot, like she was like in this
weird, like 60s scarf talkthere's lots of scarves in this
movie and she had the weirdest.
Like she was the equivalent ofthe like surprise santa claus
(15:07):
and all the hallmark movies,like the mysterious character
but she just was like it wasweird, it was over it was like
forms of her winking, like likenon-human forms of her winking
and then like her just showingup outside.
Of windows and her likescampering off like a little
like like little squirrel it was.
(15:28):
Yeah, I mean, I don't know whatelse you're going to do with
that character, but it was justlike this.
I was like this feels so likebizarre, but that was it, yeah.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
It felt bizarre, but not far off, it felt like okay,
how can we replicate a Christmasmovie?
Speaker 2 (15:45):
but make it.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
St Patrick's day.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
Yeah, yeah, pretty much, pretty much.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
I am pretty much pretty much okay, but that's it
and we're about to take a darkturn because we did not warn
y'all about this.
But we've got to discuss sowe've got to, and it's like on
topic with child actors andactresses.
I know y'all know where we'regoing with this, but quiet on
set quiet on set oh my gosh ifyou haven't well, not Netflix,
(16:13):
but they've been popping outlike crazy documentaries lately
Like the program happened likethree weeks ago.
Irish Wish the program messed meup, I know, and then came Quiet
on Set.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
If you don't know what Quiet on Set is, it is a
three episode documentary, formaybe it's a mini series about
um the nickelodeon in the 1990sand through mid 2000s, or no,
through teens late, I mean teens, yeah, because um, and things
(16:48):
didn't come out until late teensthe work culture under
Schneider, who was the mainshowrunner at that time.
I mean, I won't give a wholedebrief.
I feel like most people knowwhat it is.
But the big thing about thisdocumentary is people had known
that there was sexual abuse onset.
It wasn't until this documentarythat the person who was abused
(17:12):
came forward and gives a likepersonal testimony for the very
public, I mean, I guess for thefirst time, because he was a
minor when it happened, so hewas like a John Doe in the case,
and so this was like his firstpublic, like account of his
experience.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
And it was Drake Bell , which I'm sure you saw.
Yeah, drake Bell, it was sospeaking of like no one knowing
that it was him the part wherehe was talking about in the
courtroom when he showed up forcourt, because no one knew it
was him and he, like, didn'twant anyone to know it was him.
Obviously it.
(17:52):
The only people he had on hisside supporting him in the
courtroom were his mom and hisbrother and then on um brian
peck's side, it was like whichwas his vocal coach his vocal
and acting coach um and and wasmany, many, many young Hollywood
(18:12):
stars vocal and acting coach,including Leo.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
Yeah, which.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
I was like ooh, this is not, this is giving me bad
vibes.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
I know.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
But his entire side was like full to the brim with
like well-known celebrities andlike people that Drake knew, and
they were on the pedophile side.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
I just I can't imagine how that must have felt
and he got a really, really lowuh sentence because he had so
many letters of like charactersupport.
What do you call?
Is that what?
Speaker 1 (18:44):
you call them character?
Speaker 2 (18:45):
yeah, I heard yeah, another official term is, but
basically people writing andbeing like this guy's a a great
guy, even if he did do wrong itwas because of like, basically a
lot of people did like victimshamed it was or, sorry, victim
blamed.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
But which?
That coming out was wild too,like all.
Like what's his name?
Oh, the James Mard Mars.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (19:17):
I oh, the james marred mars.
Yeah, I know that's one of thepeople and I was like oh, my
gosh, and I don't think he'scome out and said anything yet.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
I know that I've seen if people are gonna say things.
One person has said like if Ihad known what I know now, I
would have not written theletter remember that they must
have been asked to comment thedocumentary but yeah, it was.
I think it was like a reallyinteresting.
It was sad overall, extremelysad, but interesting to watch
because we like grew up with allof these actors and I think as
(19:45):
a child in the 90s so many ofthe people in the documentary
talked about how like being onNickelodeon was like their
absolute dream and how a childactor like that's what you're.
And I remember, like as a kid,just thinking that that was just
like the ultimate coolest thingyou could do, and so we
(20:07):
idolized it, yeah.
So it was just really.
It was like reallyheartbreaking and interesting
and like I don't know you.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
just I feel like we have such a parasocial, like we
were so innocent to know that itwasn't okay, Like the way that
they treated kids on set, likein scenes.
They put kids in really, reallyuncomfortable positions and the
(20:49):
way that it was shown to us askids and we didn't even know, I
don't know that felt reallybizarre to me of like, oh my
gosh, I was watching thesethings without even knowing and
meanwhile there's adults on setcracking up at these kids.
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
That felt really, really to me.
They brought it up that onNickelodeon you almost never saw
adults on screen or in cartoonsor anything.
Nickelodeon was for kids and soI think it's interesting
because I wonder, as a child, ifan adult had been in the frame
(21:33):
when, like these, like for I'mthinking of that show that all
these kids talked about theywere like do the double dare,
not double dare, double dare waslike the one with the no, the
one that mimicked um fear factor.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
It was like a fear factor show for kids I never
watched.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
I didn't even know it existed.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
Honestly, I show for kids.
I never watched, I didn't evenknow it existed.
Honestly, I I watched it and Ididn't like it.
I remember like because I hatedfear factor.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
It made me feel like, stressed okay, interesting
because I've never watched itand all the kids talk about how,
like they were input insituations that actually made
them feel very unsafe and afraid, and how they would vocalize
like I'm uncomfortable with thison on screen and nothing would
happen.
And so I was.
I was thinking like I wonder ifthere had been like adult
(22:19):
figures in these situations, ifit would make us feel more weird
about it.
But because it was all kids, itfelt somewhat safe.
I don't know, but it'sinteresting to hear that you say
that it actually did make youfeel anxious watching it.
Oh, that makes me even more sadactually.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
Because I mean they're like putting kids in
bathtubs with worms and the kidsare freaking out.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
I remember feeling like very stressed.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
Yeah, interesting, but I mean I, was probably
somewhat pretty young.
I can't remember when that showwas airing, but um, and I think
now I would feel uncomfortableto watch b, and that was one of
the things that they brought upis that we watched fear factor
but those that's adults andthese were minors and like it's
(23:11):
fear factor is totally differentwhen it's minors because, like
these kids aren't necessarilylike signing up for these things
and even if they are they don'thave, like the right and
they're not developed enough andnot their brain isn't developed
enough to know how to likeprocess through these.
(23:32):
I don't know like stressfulsituations right, yeah, yeah so
um, yeah, I don't know beforethis I had I had listened to.
If y'all haven't listened, ifyou're into this kind of stuff
and you don't know about allisonstoner's podcast, um, it's gosh
, what is it called?
I gotta look it up now.
But she was a Disney Channellittle queen and she talked she
(23:58):
does a podcast about the setting, like how you, what's it like,
to what, what it's like to workas a child in Hollywood and how
Hollywood is very much foradults, but then there's kids
put into it but there's nomeasures taken to like protect
or enrich children.
They're basically just likeshowing up to an adult workplace
(24:20):
and so then, as you can imagine, all of these things ensue
because they're in a placethat's not for them and she's in
it Anyway for them.
Um, yeah, and she's and it'sanyway.
So the podcast talks about herexperience psychologically on
the whole, like she references aton of studies about child
stardom and what it does to likethe developing mind, and then
(24:43):
at the end she um explains herkind of call to action for the
industry.
She's written, she's likewritten these.
I guess they're like lesser,like lessons that any set that
has a child can apply to getthis like resource.
That would that.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
It's like a training program, so you would like put
your whole crew through thisvery sort of like when you work
at a church, you have have totake the safe sanctuary class.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
Yes, exactly, but it's for, like the film TV
industry, around children.
And so yeah, and it doesn'thave to do just with, like,
sexual crimes, but like Well,yeah, because there's so many
other things that like.
It's more like preventative.
It's like all these, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:30):
I mean, I could seriously talk about this
forever I mean, I know, I justfound the documentary to be so
um, and I think mostly, like yousaid, because we idolize them
so much.
And now we're seeing all ofthese child stars coming out
saying I would never put mychild through this yeah, um and
(25:51):
I don't know.
I find that so interesting andand I think it was really
interesting seeing the parentsum the differences in the
parents.
Like I you know, we've seendrake bell come out on the other
side and I mean look at his dadyeah, his
Speaker 2 (26:07):
dad, like I mean genuinely did everything he
could protect him, yeah and wasvery involved in all of these
things.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
And then you see, you know, like britney's parents,
who britney spears?
Whose parents were, like youknow, were doing everything they
could to like just get moneyand not protect her, and she
like hasn't really come out.
On the other side, Right.
So I just I find it really andand I I also just to touch on
(26:38):
that one guy who him, him andhis mom like had a falling out
because his mom was trying toprotect him on set, because it
was very obvious that they weredoing things that like were
microaggressions towards hisrace.
He was a black kid and theywere, like she said, she very,
(27:00):
very clearly noticed likefavoritism and it being based on
race and started to kind ofmake a fuss as a mom or anyone
would do.
Then he ended up losing hisspot and how he like was
devastated and was so angry athis mom and I just I found that
(27:23):
so hard to think through Becauseit's just like you know, of
course you want to fight foryour kid and then of course your
kid wants you to fight for them, but like also it could make
you lose your career, I don'tknow it's just so they literally
like set you up to where youcan't fight for your kid I know
well, and I think this had to do.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
I don't know that I feel like probably yes, across
the board, but it sounded likethis and this, like Nickelodeon
in particular, with under thisguy in particular, was like yes,
really really bad.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
Oh my gosh, but oh the podcast.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
I was thinking about was called Dear Hollywood and
it's pretty short, it's.
So if you're interested in this, it's so, so good.
But yeah, I know it, just it's.
And I've never thought aboutthis either because I'm like
gosh, how are we just now, howhave we not learned?
But I, I mean I think startingin the 90s, that's when, like
(28:27):
children's television, thatwasn't like PBS or like
non-educational children'stelevision, wasn't around until
1990.
Speaker 3 (28:40):
Well, and they say Dan Schneider was a huge part of
that movement.
He was the first person to comeup with adult style television
for kids.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (28:50):
Like he started.
He saw SNL and thought, let medo this for kids.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
Yeah, so it'll just be interesting to see how, like
we had.
We've had two decades, threedecades of it, and enough.
Enough time has passed for usto see what happens to children
when things aren't handled wellso it'll be interesting to see,
like knowing what we know nowand with all the coverage we
(29:14):
have around children'stelevision and all these things
coming out and personaltestimonies like the jeanette
mccurdy autobiography which isso good if you haven't listened
to my mom died.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
It is.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
It's really eye-opening but I, it'll be just
interesting to see, like, ifthere is reform, if child yeah
like this, like tumultuous childstardom starts to change like
that.
Speaker 3 (29:41):
I don't know, I was honestly wondering if we would
see a shortage in child stars,like if they would start like I.
I was thinking about thisdocumentary and after I've seen
so many stars come out and say Iwould absolutely never let my
kid be a child actor.
I don't know, and who knows, ifthat would ever happen, but I
was like I wonder if they willhave a harder time finding kids
(30:06):
with parents that are willing toput them in this.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
Maybe, but if you think about the, the amount,
there's already such so manypeople auditioning and so little
roles yeah, that's true like.
Speaker 3 (30:19):
I just don't know if that would ever be the case yeah
, yeah, well, and I think too,if there were to be some sort of
reform and I and I think therealready has been somewhat of a
reform- yeah, just there's morelaws around people being
actively.
I kept thinking the whole time.
I am so glad people freakingsay stuff now yeah there were
(30:44):
women, grown women, workingunder this asshole, dan
Schneider, who were beingverbally and sexually harassed.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (30:57):
And they were terrified to say anything,
because they knew that he wasprotected and they weren't and
that they wouldn't be able tofind other work because women
weren't represented.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
Yes, that's what I mean.
Yes, I know that's a wholeother topic.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
I mean they were splitting, they were sharing a
salary, their salary's a wholeother topic.
I mean that they were splitting, they were sharing a salary,
their salary and then laterfound out yes, and they knew it,
like they took it because theywere like this is my dream job.
I cannot pass this down.
I know this is unfair, but likeI have to take it and then
later come to find out it wasillegal, like they.
Speaker 3 (31:30):
Yeah find out it was illegal, like they.
Yeah, well, and then dan threatone.
Dan threatened them and waslike which?
One of you snooped around.
Which one of you like asked ifthis was okay and then he
basically edged them out likeyeah yeah, after like.
After publicly embarrassingthem and sexually harassing them
in front of rooms of people, heedged them out.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
Yeah, it's so saying that for them and his apology.
Speaker 3 (31:58):
His apology is the slimiest thing I've ever seen.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
Where was that at the end, or what?
No?
Speaker 3 (32:06):
no, he has, since the documentary he has been
interviewed by someone that I'msure is trying to protect his
ego as well okay and it's, it'sso slimy it's what's he saying?
Yeah, I've learned.
He says it was really hard towatch and he's learned so much
since then and he's been adifferent person and and he
(32:29):
still since what?
Speaker 2 (32:31):
since tuesday or Tuesday or last Sunday?
Speaker 3 (32:33):
yes, no well, yes oh, just since it all happened, no,
he says like since it allhappened, like he's grown a lot
over the years and he was neverkicked out from being on set.
He chose after having someissues with one of the like he
just I mean, you'll have to justgo watch it.
I think it's all over TikTok,that's where I saw it, but I I,
that's my over TikTok, that'swhere I saw it, but that's my
rabbit hole.
(32:53):
Instead of Wiki, I like TikTokrabbit hole but it's just slimy
and it's really disgusting tothink that he has been allowed
to.
I mean, he's continued hiscareer right.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
I don't know the documentary made it sound like
he.
I don't think on thedocumentary made it sound like
he's Disney hired him.
Oh, Disney hired him.
I thought.
Wait no no no, you're thinkingof the Predator.
Speaker 3 (33:23):
Of Brian, they hired Bryce, yeah, which that's also
probably.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
They made it sound like what's-his-name hasn't
worked in the industry since heleft nick elodian okay, oh it's
oh, I was kind of wanting tohear more from the guy that ran
double dare, because I lovedthat show me too.
Speaker 3 (33:43):
Also, what about legends of the hidden temple?
Speaker 2 (33:45):
that show was the shit, they were pre dan
schneider, I think.
I think, think Double Dare andLegends were like pre him
because they were like gameshows.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, those wereamazing.
I loved those.
Speaker 3 (34:01):
Me too, me too.
What was the one that was likeBinds?
Speaker 2 (34:05):
Guts, I know, I know she.
When I think about it, shereally was so charismatic and
talented.
Speaker 3 (34:15):
It makes me so, so, wildly talented and I know that
like Dan didn't have any thingwith kids like that we saw on
the documentary.
It was more like just like workabuse and like really creepy
stuff.
I mean creepy stuff.
He was, I think, very creepytowards Ariana Grande and like
(34:39):
Jeanette.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
McCurdy, I mean all, and Amanda Bynes.
Speaker 3 (34:43):
No, that's what I mean, and Amanda, but no one has
come out and said like anythingSpecific.
I feel like everyone's justbeen like I got like major
creeps from him and I'd beinterested if amanda had
anything to say, I know me too Imean, like I said, I could talk
(35:03):
.
I know we're running low ontime.
I could talk about this forhours.
If anyone wants to talk aboutit, just tell me.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
Let us know what you know.
Speaker 3 (35:11):
You're off the word bird, yeah let us know what you
know, send us anything that yousee about it and so that I can
do more rabbit holing, yes, andthen the program is like a whole
other episode I could talkthrough yeah, maybe we could do
that one next.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
We'll just get and get, start getting into our dark
documentaries.
Um, maybe that's what thisshould have been about all along
, because I've got endlesscommentary about that.
Speaker 3 (35:36):
We're like no, let's talk about the Cabbage Patch
Museum that we've never been to.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
Oh man, All right.
Well, we missed you on.
Tuesday.
Thanks for listening.
Leigh Sorry to end on a sadtopic.
If there's anything you reallywant to talk about for our last
episode, let us know.
Speaker 3 (35:59):
Yes, and then we will .
We'll wrap things up and beback soon-ish, whenever we have
more things to talk about Okay.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
We'll see you next Tuesdayuesday.
See you next tuesday, thank you.
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