January 9, 2024 • 31 mins
Have you ever stumbled upon a book in a genre you swore wasn't for you, only to find yourself devouring page after steamy page? That's exactly what happened with us, and we couldn't wait to share the laughs and gasps on today's episode of Sister Shit. Wrapped in a cozy blanket of humor and nostalgia, Meredith and Caroline, with the delightful addition of Bookstagram star Athena, navigate the spicy waters of smut literature. We're peeling back the covers to reveal what sets it apart from romance, why it's more than just written pornography, and how the pandemic spun our literary tastes into uncharted territories.
This week, grab your favorite cup of tea—or a glass of wine, we don't judge—and join us as we reminisce about how the "Ice Planet Barbarians" provided an unexpected escape during lockdowns. Athena, our own underwater archaeologist and book influencer, shares her insights on the genre's evolution. And we don't skate around the "Fifty Shades of Grey" fervor; instead, we're dishing out candid anecdotes that might just have you blushing or nodding in agreement. It's the chapter where the lines between fantasy and reality blur, and where niche literary interests blossomed into robust online communities.
Ready for a recommendation or two? We've got you covered like a well-loved dust jacket. From the sultry heat scale that measures the spice level of your next read, to contemporary smut that will have you locking the door and turning down the lights, our treasure trove is open for plundering. Whether you're a die-hard fan of enemies-to-lovers or you're hoping for extra sizzle in your non-steamy favorites, we're sharing our top picks and guilty pleasures. So, pop in those earbuds and let's get candid about the books that have our hearts racing and our minds thoroughly entertained.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Okay, all right, hello.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Welcome to Sister Shit.
Speaker 3 (00:13):
Welcome back Second Tuesday of the year.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
We're going to do that all year.
Just keep naming the number ofthe Tuesdays.
All right, let's start overReady One, two, three, hey,
welcome to Sister Shit.
I'm Meredith, I'm Caroline andwe're super excited you guys are
here.
I'm sick, so I'm really sorryabout my voice.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
And I we're on Zoom, so my, my quality shit.
So we just got have.
We have great sound qualitytonight.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Okay, but we also have a really exciting thing to
share with you guys tonight.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
Yes, we have a Whenever you're listening to
this.
We have a guest with us who isa dear friend and she's amazing
and has so many interestingthings about her, but tonight
we're talking about smart wesure are.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
So buckle up, ladies, and maybe turn it off If you're
not comfortable talking aboutromance and not romance.
Straight up Second Tuesday Okay.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
They had to listen to us talk about anal glands, so
I'm pretty this is a differentkind of anal topic, so one is
scientific.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Okay, so welcome to the stage, athena.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
Thank you, athena.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Have you.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
I'm so excited.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Books to Graham is bookisharchaeologist Do you want
to explain that really fast,because she's also a real life
archeologist, which I think islike the coolest thing ever.
Speaker 4 (01:57):
Yeah, yeah.
So I do underwater archeologyand I'm obsessed with books, so
let's do this together and sheis deep in the book talk world.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
So if you follow her.
She's a little bit famous?
Speaker 3 (02:11):
Yeah, she is.
She went viral.
Viral to the point that, likepeople recognized her one time.
Speaker 4 (02:19):
That one time.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
I mean listen, it's more than anyone, more than I.
It's very exciting.
Okay, we have a little Q&A.
Last week's episode was alittle, as our cousins put it,
meandering, so we're going totry to be a little more
structured.
It is 2024.
We are grown adults who can dobig things.
Speaker 4 (02:45):
We can do it Sometimes.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
A Q&A for Athena.
The first question is will youplease define SMUT for our
listeners?
For anyone who doesn't knowwhat it is oh, okay.
Speaker 4 (02:59):
So SMUT is like we all grew up seeing, like the
romance covers, and you know thetraditional Fabio is with some
model on a cover somewhere.
So it's like that, but moredescriptive typically, and it
can be darker leaning, likethere can be some taboo topics,
(03:22):
but typically it's just moredescriptive romance scenes.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
So what'd you say?
So like romance cannot be SMUT,but SMUT can be romance.
Like romance, couples falloutside of the umbrella.
Speaker 4 (03:38):
Yeah, there's like romance, that's like we call it
fade to black or closed doorromance, where the couple or
typically it's a couple in atraditional romance just two
people.
That changes once you get toSMUT, but they kiss, they have
(04:00):
you know kind of a romanticmoment and then they go behind
closed doors and you don't getthe details.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
Interest.
Speaker 4 (04:06):
For SMUT.
It's more like open doorromance, like you get first row.
Very descriptive terminology ofeverything that's happening.
Okay.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
Would you just would you say that SMUT is porn.
Yes, yeah, absolutely yeah.
Speaker 4 (04:22):
It's like a reading porn book and there's definitely
like levels to that For sure.
But yeah, I would say it'sdefinitely more porn leaning.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
Okay, I know, like if that's something that's like
offensive or like the SMUT world, if they're like no, no, no,
it's not visual, so it's notporn, or porn can.
Speaker 4 (04:41):
No, I think a lot of people that in the SMUT reading
community would agree that it'swomen specifically, but a lot of
people can enjoy, you know,that sort of thing where it's,
you get to picture it yourself.
You don't have to see itnecessarily, you can picture it.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
And do you like know that people are like safe
because they're not real?
Yeah, because they're not real,I know.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
Exactly, I yes, 100%, yeah, I think.
Speaker 4 (05:09):
I think them not being real kind of gives you
more of a range to create thesescenarios that you might not be
comfortable in in real life orcomfortable watching or any of
those.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Yeah, well, and like, more interesting in that, like
one book you recommended toCaroline, who then recommended
to me, was like based in Greekmythology.
So it's like on a set.
On a movie set, it would bereally poorly done, whereas like
when it's in writing, you'relike creating.
It's like with any writing,you're like creating a world.
Speaker 4 (05:43):
Yeah, you can have more fantasy and it doesn't air
towards cheesy as much as it was.
If you know you could see thethings happening.
Right, I don't really want tosee two elves, you know, like
that kind of ruins the wholevibe that's going on there.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
The glue on their like pointy ears is like coming
off.
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 (06:06):
It's not quite the same feeling.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
Okay, Caroline, do you have?
I think we're going toalternate questions.
What's your next question?
Speaker 3 (06:12):
Yeah.
So next question which I am soexcited to talk about is kind of
the like evolution of a smartand you already mentioned it,
which I'm really glad about likethe Fabio days and how it's
like changed so much and I wastalking about it with Meredith
earlier of like it used to belike housewives just like, or at
least that's what the like.
(06:33):
The stigma was was like oh, it'sjust lonely housewives like
reading it in secret.
And now it's like we arestraight up listening to this in
our office at work in ourheadphones and like with no
shame.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
And so.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
I think, just like talking through that evolution
and what that's looked likesince you've become a part of
the summit slash book talkcommunity.
Speaker 4 (06:56):
Yeah, I think obviously, like we've talked
about is.
You know, when we were growingup in the 80s, the 90s, it's the
Fabio covers that we always saw, whether it was their mom or
aunts or whoever it was readingthose books, and you're kind of
like, oh my gosh, I can'tbelieve that person is reading
(07:16):
that.
Like how scandalous.
And then you get older,especially, I think, as you know
, times change and things havejust become more acceptable to
talk about, like sex.
Sex is definitely more justgenerally talked about in in
society than it was when we werekids.
I would think and I'm not goingto lie, covid had a really big
(07:42):
impact on this.
Oh, that makes sense.
Yeah, like a lot of peoplestuck in their houses, they
can't meet other people, theystarted turning to other forms
of getting excitement andentertainment.
And during COVID is when iceplanet barbarians became like
(08:02):
really, really big.
So for those that don't knowwhat it is, it's aliens.
These human women crash land onan alien planet.
There's massive, eight foottall, blue aliens and they're
all super hot, which is what Ithink there's a Mars attack
tangle here.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
Oh yeah, I think this is my book.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
Exactly that's all I thought about when you guys were
talking about this, like sothat that freeze blew up during
COVID, and so I think COVIDreally brought out at least in
the book talk community and thebookstore Graham community like
how let's be honest with whatwe're reading and kind of just
(08:44):
everyone got super stoked aboutit and more accepting of the
fact that we could be sexual andwe can have these ridiculous
urges and like we want to readthese books.
We know they're not real.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
Yeah, but isn't it women.
I remember like and I guess Iwas I just graduated high school
and I bought on a church tripbecause I didn't know what it
was about.
I mean I like vaguely did, butI had no idea that it was
scandalous.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
I bought the first 50 shades but it was like we went
on like a Walmart run at churchcamp to get like candy and
Caroline bought, I walked pastit and I was like, oh my gosh,
people have been talking aboutthis book, so I bought it and
everyone like totally shit on me.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
And I think I read the first chapter and then was
like I guess I'm not going toread this, did you?
Speaker 2 (09:36):
not read?
Did you not finish it?
Speaker 3 (09:38):
I didn't, but it wasn't just because of that.
It's the writing is so bad yeah.
I have to use like the wordareola and I just couldn't get
on board with that.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (09:49):
Yeah, yeah, there's.
There's a lot of issues withthat series, but that's also
jumping into the deep end ofromance books.
That's definitely airing moretowards the darker romance,
definitely more descriptiveromance.
So like for a first time, yeah,I don't know if I recommend it
for someone who wants to diptheir toe into.
(10:11):
Yeah, I don't think that's much, yeah For sure.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
My one of my favorite memories from college is my
friend drunkenly reading anexcerpt from that and like a
thick Irish accent to like thewhole room.
That sounds amazing.
And that's the only time I likeI'd never read the book, but I
was like man, this is the onlyway I want to listen to this.
And then years later we watchedthe movie together because
neither of us had read the book.
And at the end we turned toeach other and she was like
(10:39):
Meredith, I think we justwatched porn together.
I was like I know, I think ittoo.
Speaker 4 (10:47):
Anyway, one of my favorite I swear this is related
Christmas ornaments is mygrandmother got me an ornament
of Santa in his sleigh reading abook and it's called 50 Shades
of Red.
Don't think she got the joke,but I did and I thought it was
(11:11):
hilarious and I always put itfront and center on my Christmas
.
That's amazing.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
That was.
Speaker 4 (11:14):
Nana.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
Sweet Nana.
Speaker 4 (11:18):
Yeah, so I was like I'm not gonna say anything about
it, but I love it, thank you.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
I love that.
That's amazing.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
Oh man, Okay, my so is.
When did you get into SMUTduring COVID with everyone else,
where you were already kind ofreading it and you were like, oh
my gosh, this is my time toshine?
Speaker 4 (11:39):
I think, yeah, I definitely started reading more
darker romance, probably in highschool, but it wasn't.
It wasn't anything like what iteventually grew into, like I
think writing styles anddescriptions and like what's
acceptable has definitelychanged since I was in high
(12:00):
school.
Obviously so, but I definitelystarted leaning more towards the
the SMUT-I books in high school, for sure, Okay, but I just
didn't know that.
You know what to call it, or Iwas really ashamed of trying to.
I couldn't really.
I guess I could Google it inhigh school.
There, google was around, butyou know, like it wasn't really
(12:21):
something that you know peopletalked about and there wasn't
really an online community thatI knew about, so I didn't know
how to.
I didn't go to my local libraryand go excuse me, ma'am, what
kind of SMUT-I vampire books doyou have?
Speaker 2 (12:35):
Exactly, yeah, I know I do feel like so many niche
interests like really blossomduring COVID, like so many.
Everyone found their people yes.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
Better or worse Is that when you started like your
Instagram was during COVID, orwas that later?
Speaker 4 (12:57):
No, I actually started my Instagram the two
months after we moved here, sothe after we my, my fiance and I
moved to South Carolina.
So I just started falling inlove with books again.
Just in general.
The Accord of Thorns and Rosesseries kind of jumped, started
me back into reading andrealizing how much I loved
(13:20):
reading and then, yeah, justkind of spiraled from wildly out
the control.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
So fun.
I love it.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
Okay, so I was going to ask like and this goes sort
of with that question about theInstagram of like what the
different categories are withincontemporary SMUT, and like also
I feel like you were talkingabout earlier the like fade to
black.
I don't know, and maybe you canwalk us through some of those
like different, like theverbiage that's used in the
(13:50):
community, and then I, we alsowant to know like the Like have
your interest, like is ittypical that as you're reading
at your interest, just like getweirder and more niche as you're
Reading that all the differentbooks.
Speaker 4 (14:09):
Yeah.
So all the second question yes,for sure, because when you
first start reading you knowsort of dark romance.
It can be something that islike 50 shades of gray, which
now I would consider Aninaccurate portrayal of a true
BDSM relationship, which Ilearned as I continued to read
(14:32):
BDSM leaning series.
So it definitely changes andadapts as you realize, kind of
what you're interested in.
And are you into aliens, areyou into elves?
There's there's like a weirdrange of things and there are
books literally for all of it.
(14:54):
So the basic there's closed-doorromance, which is there's
kissing in in the script in thebook and then there's that
really hobby lobby checkout withlike yeah, yeah exactly,
there's probably at least, andthey have to get married first
(15:14):
if it's a hobby, yeah exactly so.
There's like that sort of seriesand then I have a Specific
spicy range, so like if theyonly kiss, that's like one chili
pepper rating.
And then if they kiss butthere's a little bit more action
, that's maybe a two.
If they have sex on the page atleast one to three times,
(15:38):
that's a three chili pepper.
But if it starts getting likethere's a he's wearing a mask,
there's really dirty talking,there's, you know, kind of a
taboo relationship.
There's everything fromstepbrother to my brother.
Mafia, exactly.
(15:59):
Not that I ever read any mafiaromance.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
I have a whole list, if anyone's interested, it's her
.
Oh, I didn't know that that'sso neat.
Yes, yeah, I love mafia romance.
That's funny, I've readinteresting 100.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
How many books did you read?
Speaker 4 (16:18):
specifically mafia romance yeah there's a lot of
mafia romance this year becauseI stopped reading the last three
months, I probably got to about90 to 100.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
Oh my gosh, are they all Smut.
Speaker 4 (16:34):
Yeah, typically like especially this, the last couple
years, last three years, ifthere's not some sort of romance
I have a really hard timeconnecting with the characters.
Yeah, I was just in.
I call it, you know, like justsmut mode or like really deep in
the smut hole, like I'm just sofar down there.
(16:55):
Just leave me down there, Iwill crawl out eventually.
Maybe I.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
I recommended a book to her recently and she was like
, yeah, I'll add it like to thelist, but I don't know if I'm
gonna read it.
Speaker 4 (17:09):
Which is funny because I mean obviously I have
to read a lot of nonfictionbooks just for my job in general
Swing wildly to the other side.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
It makes sense, yeah, okay, so what do you Recommend
like?
What's the book you recommendfor a listener who, like, wants
to dip the tip into the genre?
Speaker 4 (17:34):
Just the tip I would say Sorry, I'm looking at my
books behind me really quickly.
If you enjoy sort of the mafiaromance, each book there's it's
only a couple like a man and awoman, so there's no extra
(17:56):
people involved.
Just get overly complicated itthat way.
Runix RUNYX she has a seriescalled the dark verse and their
mafia romance.
So they do get darker as theygo, but I think she does a
really wonderful job of writingFlawed characters that you fall
(18:21):
in love with and complexstorylines and also really great
smut that is not so crazy andlike really uncomfortable.
Yeah, so I think that's areally good place to start.
Or Janna Darling she writesmotorcycle club romances.
So what you who like sons ofanarchy or something like that?
Speaker 3 (18:46):
There's a book for everything.
Yeah, literally have one calledwhat's the coronavirus one.
Speaker 4 (18:53):
Romancing the coronavirus.
I think I haven't read that one.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
No but, homegirl is in love with the virus?
Speaker 3 (19:00):
Oh no.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
Okay, remember one with the actual Virus someone
wrote back to Gen Z beingobsessed with Shrek.
Someone wrote a romance novelwhere Shrek is the Daddy.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
It's called get in my swamp.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
No, it's not, I'm pretty sure it is.
It's called get in my swamp.
Speaker 4 (19:19):
I think it is stop it like if there is a, if there is
something that you like,whether it's movies or genre or
something super weird, nojudgment, I can guarantee you.
There is a book on Amazon Prime.
Amazing, you can get on yourKindle or on your phone.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
Amazing so I just finished sorry or no, no, go
ahead.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
I was gonna say I just finished the First of the
twisted series by Anna.
What's her last, anna?
Yes, yes, I just finished ittoday actually, and I would say
that those I don't know, maybethey're too much for some people
, but I would say they're like agood little dip your toes in.
Speaker 4 (20:05):
I totally agree, and those are more like brother's
best friend, sort of morecontemporary, something that you
could actually see yourselfliving through, instead of a
mafia romance.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
Yeah, yeah, and this one had like a little crime.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
It wasn't like the one I tried to read Caroline,
that was like no really based in2011.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
Yeah, wait, please tell us about it what were why
did you know that it was basedin 2011?
Speaker 2 (20:33):
I randomly picked this book.
I just like Google, I likelooked for like a magazine
website, like best steamy novelsfor the summer and I just
picked this one.
I cannot remember the name ofit, I do know, or the author,
but the girls whole Characterwas like she just like loved to
bake and she was blonde andcurvy and she didn't even care
about her curves Because shejust like loved cupcakes so much
(20:57):
which like cupcakes are.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
So why are cupcakes?
So 2011?
I were just what was happeningand I still love cupcakes, but
like I, that's what everyone was, like he was so fit and like
she just he didn't like.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
She just like didn't even care about working out.
Like he was just so fit and itannoyed her that he was just
like so hot.
It was so annoying, I hated it.
I couldn't read it.
Speaker 4 (21:20):
Yeah, there are.
There are definitely a lot ofbooks like that and that leads
me to my next question.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
actually, kind of can her up to ask it?
Yeah, okay, what are some?
You know how everyone onInstagram are doing like Two
thousand and twenty four endsand outs like this is in and
these are out, like what arethings like cliches in, like,
like plot cliches, characterqualities, that like are out for
(21:46):
2024.
Speaker 4 (21:48):
That is a really good question.
The thing is and one thing thatI love about the reading
community is that everyone'stastes are so widely varied.
For you.
Yeah, for me, the things that Ithink are on the way out are
things that I've just neverreally been interested in.
Yes, Like when I read a mafiaromance.
(22:10):
I don't read it for any dose ofreality.
I don't like it when there's asurprise pregnancy.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
Isn't that like your least favorite trope You're?
Speaker 4 (22:20):
like oh done, yeah, that is typically if that
happens, especially early on inthe book, and I haven't
connected the characters yet.
I will just I won't finish thatbook because I'm reading a
mafia romance.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
Yeah, I'm not trying to take care of a baby?
Speaker 3 (22:35):
Yeah, exactly who is like?
Oh, a baby, this is so steamy.
Yeah, that's weird.
Speaker 4 (22:42):
I know a lot of people really love the idea of
you know, a hardened man turningall gooey at the end.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
Oh, I thought you were not different kind of
hardened.
Speaker 4 (22:52):
Like.
I think that's definitely wherea lot of it comes from, but for
me that's not really somethingthat I can connect with and it's
no, it's just me out my parentall day long.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
I don't want a surprise pregnancy interrupting
my smut.
Speaker 4 (23:10):
Exactly so.
There's stuff like that.
I never used to like thefriends to lovers, I always like
the enemies to lovers.
But sometimes friends toenemies to lovers is really good
, like best friends growing up,and then there's a
misunderstanding and they becomeenemies for a little bit Like
13 going on 30.
Yeah, you know something likethat, but with a lot more smud
(23:33):
in it.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
Yeah, so, okay, I have a fun question.
Sorry, I cut you off.
No, no, go for it, but I justsaw this thing where I don't
remember where I saw it, but itwas like if there was a book I
mean a movie or a book I guessthat doesn't have any steamy
scenes, but you wish it did.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
What would it be?
Speaker 2 (23:57):
Oh my gosh, we have 10 minutes yeah someone give us
money so we could pay for Zoomyeah.
Speaker 4 (24:05):
Okay, well, lord of the Rings would be oh, okay, no,
there's not, like, any women inthe fellowship apart from you
know.
Like not in the fellowshipthere are women, obviously.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
But there are very hot fairy people.
Yeah, whatever they are.
Speaker 4 (24:24):
I would be super down for some of that, although I
guarantee you there are fanwritten fan fiction out there.
This is purely coming frommiddle school Athena Pirates of
the Caribbean as well.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
Oh my gosh, yes, we're here in.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
Nightly.
Speaker 4 (24:43):
Yeah, yes, yeah, I was deeply obsessed with both of
those series.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
Yeah, those are good.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
That's a good one, that's yours, Caroline.
I'm thinking.
I'm thinking Do you have one?
Speaker 2 (24:58):
I can't think of it.
I wish I was prepared.
Speaker 3 (25:01):
I know I should have thought about that before I
asked the question.
Maybe, mr.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
Napkinhead and, oh yes, the holiday.
Speaker 3 (25:11):
Wait, yeah, that would be pretty good, I would
not have thought about that.
Speaker 4 (25:18):
I watch that every year.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
I know I watch this year.
Actually I'm giving myself alittle break.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
I didn't watch it this year either, because I also
needed a break.
Speaker 4 (25:26):
Yeah, oh my gosh, no, I watch it at least twice a
year.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
It's very good.
I think of someone I loveseeing on screen that I mean
lately it's been Daddy JeremyAllen White.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
Oh, the bear, I was gonna say I'm specifically
watching Shameless for thatreason so I'm getting my dose.
Speaker 4 (25:53):
Yeah, I mean the bear .
I wouldn't be mad about.
You know a little bit of.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
I wouldn't either Bear.
Speaker 3 (25:59):
I wouldn't be mad about more action with Roy and
Keely.
Speaker 4 (26:04):
I also wouldn't mind that.
Speaker 3 (26:07):
I mean I don't want it in the show because the
show's good enough without it,but if there was like a fan
fiction, I wouldn't be mad ifthere was some fan fiction about
it.
Speaker 4 (26:15):
Yeah, I can guarantee there is somewhere, we just
have to find it.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
Yeah, that's true.
I think I that's your nextmission.
Speaker 4 (26:24):
Yep, I got to.
I'll get back to you in 30minutes.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
After reading so many of these books would you ever
write?
Try to write one.
Speaker 4 (26:34):
Bring a writer.
Have I tried to write 10different books over the last
couple of years?
Speaker 1 (26:41):
Yes, yes, I have.
Speaker 4 (26:43):
Do I ever get past the beginning phase, where my
favorite part is always likecreating the characters and
their stories, and then, once Ihave to actually put their
scenes down on the page?
Speaker 3 (26:55):
It's like Sims.
Yeah, I wanna make thecharacters I was just gonna say
that Build the house.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
I don't wanna play Bad Rose, bad Rose, bad Mother
low.
Speaker 4 (27:03):
Yes, exactly, mother.
Low the whole thing.
And then, yeah, that's I have.
When I used to work at myprevious job, we would be on the
boat, you know, for eight hoursa day, and I would have
probably two hours at leastwhere I wasn't doing anything.
And so I have notebooks of ohbook ideas notebooks Like three
(27:28):
notebooks full of ideas, Willthey?
Speaker 3 (27:30):
ever turn into anything.
I think you.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
I could totally see you one day writing a book, me
too.
Speaker 4 (27:37):
I would really, really love to.
And actually when I was betweenjobs, I was like that's what
I'm gonna do, I'm gonna takethis time, I'm gonna write a
book.
I didn't do any of that.
So you did sew a dress, so Isewed multiple dresses and then
I also gave up on that.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
So the beginning is the best part.
It is.
It really is.
Unless you read a book, I can'ttell you how many?
Speaker 4 (28:01):
Yeah, yeah, that's.
You know.
The middle, middle, late Middle, is the best part.
Speaker 3 (28:08):
I have so many like open hobbies that have never
been finished in my cabinetright now, so yeah, yeah, I
hyper fixate and then you know,a month later I get onto
something else.
Speaker 4 (28:21):
So yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
One last question to finish us out, because I am
genuinely curious about this Issaying a smut book just as bad
as saying like?
What's the Spanish word forhouse, casa, casa, house, like,
is it like, is, can you like?
Do you just say?
Speaker 3 (28:43):
Like the mojo-dojo-casa house.
Yes, are you?
Speaker 2 (28:45):
just reading, like I'm reading smut, or is smut
book acceptable?
Speaker 4 (28:51):
I would say smut book is acceptable, purely because
someone saying I'm reading abook doesn't mean that they're
reading smut.
But if someone's like, I guessif someone was like eating queso
and they said I'm eating quesocheese.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
I know that's what I'm saying is like oh, no, okay,
I'm not saying.
Speaker 4 (29:09):
I guess, I'm sitting, try tea, like obviously try and
teach, Because it's a type ofbook.
Yeah, it's like a genre, likeif someone said I'm having I was
trying to make like a queso,like a meat queso, instead of
like I don't know.
I don't know where I'm going atthis.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
Okay, that was a really plain question to end
with, but Every time.
I say smut book, I'm like Iwonder if I'm annoying people
that are like tried and true inthis community.
Speaker 4 (29:38):
No, I think it's good to add that qualifier.
Like it is, it's a smut book.
It's because it could be fanfiction, it could be a book, it
could be a comic book.
There's comic books, you know.
There's like a wide range ofthings that I would consider
smutty material.
Okay.
So, I would never get annoyedor think that that was a made a
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phrase thing.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
Noob.
Speaker 4 (30:03):
I would never think that that was weird.
So Okay, great.
Speaker 3 (30:07):
Caroline, do you have any?
Speaker 2 (30:08):
final questions.
Speaker 3 (30:10):
I don't think so.
I'm just thank you so much.
We've been talking about doingthis for so long.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
I know.
Speaker 3 (30:16):
I'm glad we finally got to do it it was so fun Me
too.
Thanks for having me on.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
You're welcome Everyone follow Athena.
The bookish, the bookisharcheologist, or just bookish.
Speaker 4 (30:26):
Just bookisharcheologist,
archeologist with the A.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
Okay, the archeologist, yeah.
On Instagram and TikTok.
Speaker 4 (30:37):
Yes both.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
Yeah, thank you so much Of course.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
Yes, everybody have a great day or evening.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
Thanks for listening and we will see you.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
Next Tuesday.
See you Next Tuesday.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
Peace.
Okay, all right, hello.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Welcome to Sister Shit.
Speaker 3 (00:13):
Welcome back Second Tuesday of the year.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
We're going to do that all year.
Just keep naming the number ofthe Tuesdays.
All right, let's start overReady One, two, three, hey,
welcome to Sister Shit.
I'm Meredith, I'm Caroline andwe're super excited you guys are
here.
I'm sick, so I'm really sorryabout my voice.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
And I we're on Zoom, so my, my quality shit.
So we just got have.
We have great sound qualitytonight.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Okay, but we also have a really exciting thing to
share with you guys tonight.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
Yes, we have a Whenever you're listening to
this.
We have a guest with us who isa dear friend and she's amazing
and has so many interestingthings about her, but tonight
we're talking about smart wesure are.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
So buckle up, ladies, and maybe turn it off If you're
not comfortable talking aboutromance and not romance.
Straight up Second Tuesday Okay.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
They had to listen to us talk about anal glands, so
I'm pretty this is a differentkind of anal topic, so one is
scientific.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Okay, so welcome to the stage, athena.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
Thank you, athena.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Have you.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
I'm so excited.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Books to Graham is bookisharchaeologist Do you want
to explain that really fast,because she's also a real life
archeologist, which I think islike the coolest thing ever.
Speaker 4 (01:57):
Yeah, yeah.
So I do underwater archeologyand I'm obsessed with books, so
let's do this together and sheis deep in the book talk world.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
So if you follow her.
She's a little bit famous?
Speaker 3 (02:11):
Yeah, she is.
She went viral.
Viral to the point that, likepeople recognized her one time.
Speaker 4 (02:19):
That one time.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
I mean listen, it's more than anyone, more than I.
It's very exciting.
Okay, we have a little Q&A.
Last week's episode was alittle, as our cousins put it,
meandering, so we're going totry to be a little more
structured.
It is 2024.
We are grown adults who can dobig things.
Speaker 4 (02:45):
We can do it Sometimes.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
A Q&A for Athena.
The first question is will youplease define SMUT for our
listeners?
For anyone who doesn't knowwhat it is oh, okay.
Speaker 4 (02:59):
So SMUT is like we all grew up seeing, like the
romance covers, and you know thetraditional Fabio is with some
model on a cover somewhere.
So it's like that, but moredescriptive typically, and it
can be darker leaning, likethere can be some taboo topics,
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but typically it's just moredescriptive romance scenes.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
So what'd you say?
So like romance cannot be SMUT,but SMUT can be romance.
Like romance, couples falloutside of the umbrella.
Speaker 4 (03:38):
Yeah, there's like romance, that's like we call it
fade to black or closed doorromance, where the couple or
typically it's a couple in atraditional romance just two
people.
That changes once you get toSMUT, but they kiss, they have
(04:00):
you know kind of a romanticmoment and then they go behind
closed doors and you don't getthe details.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
Interest.
Speaker 4 (04:06):
For SMUT.
It's more like open doorromance, like you get first row.
Very descriptive terminology ofeverything that's happening.
Okay.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
Would you just would you say that SMUT is porn.
Yes, yeah, absolutely yeah.
Speaker 4 (04:22):
It's like a reading porn book and there's definitely
like levels to that For sure.
But yeah, I would say it'sdefinitely more porn leaning.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
Okay, I know, like if that's something that's like
offensive or like the SMUT world, if they're like no, no, no,
it's not visual, so it's notporn, or porn can.
Speaker 4 (04:41):
No, I think a lot of people that in the SMUT reading
community would agree that it'swomen specifically, but a lot of
people can enjoy, you know,that sort of thing where it's,
you get to picture it yourself.
You don't have to see itnecessarily, you can picture it.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
And do you like know that people are like safe
because they're not real?
Yeah, because they're not real,I know.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
Exactly, I yes, 100%, yeah, I think.
Speaker 4 (05:09):
I think them not being real kind of gives you
more of a range to create thesescenarios that you might not be
comfortable in in real life orcomfortable watching or any of
those.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Yeah, well, and like, more interesting in that, like
one book you recommended toCaroline, who then recommended
to me, was like based in Greekmythology.
So it's like on a set.
On a movie set, it would bereally poorly done, whereas like
when it's in writing, you'relike creating.
It's like with any writing,you're like creating a world.
Speaker 4 (05:43):
Yeah, you can have more fantasy and it doesn't air
towards cheesy as much as it was.
If you know you could see thethings happening.
Right, I don't really want tosee two elves, you know, like
that kind of ruins the wholevibe that's going on there.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
The glue on their like pointy ears is like coming
off.
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 (06:06):
It's not quite the same feeling.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
Okay, Caroline, do you have?
I think we're going toalternate questions.
What's your next question?
Speaker 3 (06:12):
Yeah.
So next question which I am soexcited to talk about is kind of
the like evolution of a smartand you already mentioned it,
which I'm really glad about likethe Fabio days and how it's
like changed so much and I wastalking about it with Meredith
earlier of like it used to belike housewives just like, or at
least that's what the like.
(06:33):
The stigma was was like oh, it'sjust lonely housewives like
reading it in secret.
And now it's like we arestraight up listening to this in
our office at work in ourheadphones and like with no
shame.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
And so.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
I think, just like talking through that evolution
and what that's looked likesince you've become a part of
the summit slash book talkcommunity.
Speaker 4 (06:56):
Yeah, I think obviously, like we've talked
about is.
You know, when we were growingup in the 80s, the 90s, it's the
Fabio covers that we always saw, whether it was their mom or
aunts or whoever it was readingthose books, and you're kind of
like, oh my gosh, I can'tbelieve that person is reading
(07:16):
that.
Like how scandalous.
And then you get older,especially, I think, as you know
, times change and things havejust become more acceptable to
talk about, like sex.
Sex is definitely more justgenerally talked about in in
society than it was when we werekids.
I would think and I'm not goingto lie, covid had a really big
(07:42):
impact on this.
Oh, that makes sense.
Yeah, like a lot of peoplestuck in their houses, they
can't meet other people, theystarted turning to other forms
of getting excitement andentertainment.
And during COVID is when iceplanet barbarians became like
(08:02):
really, really big.
So for those that don't knowwhat it is, it's aliens.
These human women crash land onan alien planet.
There's massive, eight foottall, blue aliens and they're
all super hot, which is what Ithink there's a Mars attack
tangle here.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
Oh yeah, I think this is my book.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
Exactly that's all I thought about when you guys were
talking about this, like sothat that freeze blew up during
COVID, and so I think COVIDreally brought out at least in
the book talk community and thebookstore Graham community like
how let's be honest with whatwe're reading and kind of just
(08:44):
everyone got super stoked aboutit and more accepting of the
fact that we could be sexual andwe can have these ridiculous
urges and like we want to readthese books.
We know they're not real.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
Yeah, but isn't it women.
I remember like and I guess Iwas I just graduated high school
and I bought on a church tripbecause I didn't know what it
was about.
I mean I like vaguely did, butI had no idea that it was
scandalous.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
I bought the first 50 shades but it was like we went
on like a Walmart run at churchcamp to get like candy and
Caroline bought, I walked pastit and I was like, oh my gosh,
people have been talking aboutthis book, so I bought it and
everyone like totally shit on me.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
And I think I read the first chapter and then was
like I guess I'm not going toread this, did you?
Speaker 2 (09:36):
not read?
Did you not finish it?
Speaker 3 (09:38):
I didn't, but it wasn't just because of that.
It's the writing is so bad yeah.
I have to use like the wordareola and I just couldn't get
on board with that.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (09:49):
Yeah, yeah, there's.
There's a lot of issues withthat series, but that's also
jumping into the deep end ofromance books.
That's definitely airing moretowards the darker romance,
definitely more descriptiveromance.
So like for a first time, yeah,I don't know if I recommend it
for someone who wants to diptheir toe into.
(10:11):
Yeah, I don't think that's much, yeah For sure.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
My one of my favorite memories from college is my
friend drunkenly reading anexcerpt from that and like a
thick Irish accent to like thewhole room.
That sounds amazing.
And that's the only time I likeI'd never read the book, but I
was like man, this is the onlyway I want to listen to this.
And then years later we watchedthe movie together because
neither of us had read the book.
And at the end we turned toeach other and she was like
(10:39):
Meredith, I think we justwatched porn together.
I was like I know, I think ittoo.
Speaker 4 (10:47):
Anyway, one of my favorite I swear this is related
Christmas ornaments is mygrandmother got me an ornament
of Santa in his sleigh reading abook and it's called 50 Shades
of Red.
Don't think she got the joke,but I did and I thought it was
(11:11):
hilarious and I always put itfront and center on my Christmas
.
That's amazing.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
That was.
Speaker 4 (11:14):
Nana.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
Sweet Nana.
Speaker 4 (11:18):
Yeah, so I was like I'm not gonna say anything about
it, but I love it, thank you.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
I love that.
That's amazing.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
Oh man, Okay, my so is.
When did you get into SMUTduring COVID with everyone else,
where you were already kind ofreading it and you were like, oh
my gosh, this is my time toshine?
Speaker 4 (11:39):
I think, yeah, I definitely started reading more
darker romance, probably in highschool, but it wasn't.
It wasn't anything like what iteventually grew into, like I
think writing styles anddescriptions and like what's
acceptable has definitelychanged since I was in high
(12:00):
school.
Obviously so, but I definitelystarted leaning more towards the
the SMUT-I books in high school, for sure, Okay, but I just
didn't know that.
You know what to call it, or Iwas really ashamed of trying to.
I couldn't really.
I guess I could Google it inhigh school.
There, google was around, butyou know, like it wasn't really
(12:21):
something that you know peopletalked about and there wasn't
really an online community thatI knew about, so I didn't know
how to.
I didn't go to my local libraryand go excuse me, ma'am, what
kind of SMUT-I vampire books doyou have?
Speaker 2 (12:35):
Exactly, yeah, I know I do feel like so many niche
interests like really blossomduring COVID, like so many.
Everyone found their people yes.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
Better or worse Is that when you started like your
Instagram was during COVID, orwas that later?
Speaker 4 (12:57):
No, I actually started my Instagram the two
months after we moved here, sothe after we my, my fiance and I
moved to South Carolina.
So I just started falling inlove with books again.
Just in general.
The Accord of Thorns and Rosesseries kind of jumped, started
me back into reading andrealizing how much I loved
(13:20):
reading and then, yeah, justkind of spiraled from wildly out
the control.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
So fun.
I love it.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
Okay, so I was going to ask like and this goes sort
of with that question about theInstagram of like what the
different categories are withincontemporary SMUT, and like also
I feel like you were talkingabout earlier the like fade to
black.
I don't know, and maybe you canwalk us through some of those
like different, like theverbiage that's used in the
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community, and then I, we alsowant to know like the Like have
your interest, like is ittypical that as you're reading
at your interest, just like getweirder and more niche as you're
Reading that all the differentbooks.
Speaker 4 (14:09):
Yeah.
So all the second question yes,for sure, because when you
first start reading you knowsort of dark romance.
It can be something that islike 50 shades of gray, which
now I would consider Aninaccurate portrayal of a true
BDSM relationship, which Ilearned as I continued to read
(14:32):
BDSM leaning series.
So it definitely changes andadapts as you realize, kind of
what you're interested in.
And are you into aliens, areyou into elves?
There's there's like a weirdrange of things and there are
books literally for all of it.
(14:54):
So the basic there's closed-doorromance, which is there's
kissing in in the script in thebook and then there's that
really hobby lobby checkout withlike yeah, yeah exactly,
there's probably at least, andthey have to get married first
(15:14):
if it's a hobby, yeah exactly so.
There's like that sort of seriesand then I have a Specific
spicy range, so like if theyonly kiss, that's like one chili
pepper rating.
And then if they kiss butthere's a little bit more action
, that's maybe a two.
If they have sex on the page atleast one to three times,
(15:38):
that's a three chili pepper.
But if it starts getting likethere's a he's wearing a mask,
there's really dirty talking,there's, you know, kind of a
taboo relationship.
There's everything fromstepbrother to my brother.
Mafia, exactly.
(15:59):
Not that I ever read any mafiaromance.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
I have a whole list, if anyone's interested, it's her
.
Oh, I didn't know that that'sso neat.
Yes, yeah, I love mafia romance.
That's funny, I've readinteresting 100.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
How many books did you read?
Speaker 4 (16:18):
specifically mafia romance yeah there's a lot of
mafia romance this year becauseI stopped reading the last three
months, I probably got to about90 to 100.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
Oh my gosh, are they all Smut.
Speaker 4 (16:34):
Yeah, typically like especially this, the last couple
years, last three years, ifthere's not some sort of romance
I have a really hard timeconnecting with the characters.
Yeah, I was just in.
I call it, you know, like justsmut mode or like really deep in
the smut hole, like I'm just sofar down there.
(16:55):
Just leave me down there, Iwill crawl out eventually.
Maybe I.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
I recommended a book to her recently and she was like
, yeah, I'll add it like to thelist, but I don't know if I'm
gonna read it.
Speaker 4 (17:09):
Which is funny because I mean obviously I have
to read a lot of nonfictionbooks just for my job in general
Swing wildly to the other side.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
It makes sense, yeah, okay, so what do you Recommend
like?
What's the book you recommendfor a listener who, like, wants
to dip the tip into the genre?
Speaker 4 (17:34):
Just the tip I would say Sorry, I'm looking at my
books behind me really quickly.
If you enjoy sort of the mafiaromance, each book there's it's
only a couple like a man and awoman, so there's no extra
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people involved.
Just get overly complicated itthat way.
Runix RUNYX she has a seriescalled the dark verse and their
mafia romance.
So they do get darker as theygo, but I think she does a
really wonderful job of writingFlawed characters that you fall
(18:21):
in love with and complexstorylines and also really great
smut that is not so crazy andlike really uncomfortable.
Yeah, so I think that's areally good place to start.
Or Janna Darling she writesmotorcycle club romances.
So what you who like sons ofanarchy or something like that?
Speaker 3 (18:46):
There's a book for everything.
Yeah, literally have one calledwhat's the coronavirus one.
Speaker 4 (18:53):
Romancing the coronavirus.
I think I haven't read that one.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
No but, homegirl is in love with the virus?
Speaker 3 (19:00):
Oh no.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
Okay, remember one with the actual Virus someone
wrote back to Gen Z beingobsessed with Shrek.
Someone wrote a romance novelwhere Shrek is the Daddy.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
It's called get in my swamp.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
No, it's not, I'm pretty sure it is.
It's called get in my swamp.
Speaker 4 (19:19):
I think it is stop it like if there is a, if there is
something that you like,whether it's movies or genre or
something super weird, nojudgment, I can guarantee you.
There is a book on Amazon Prime.
Amazing, you can get on yourKindle or on your phone.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
Amazing so I just finished sorry or no, no, go
ahead.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
I was gonna say I just finished the First of the
twisted series by Anna.
What's her last, anna?
Yes, yes, I just finished ittoday actually, and I would say
that those I don't know, maybethey're too much for some people
, but I would say they're like agood little dip your toes in.
Speaker 4 (20:05):
I totally agree, and those are more like brother's
best friend, sort of morecontemporary, something that you
could actually see yourselfliving through, instead of a
mafia romance.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
Yeah, yeah, and this one had like a little crime.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
It wasn't like the one I tried to read Caroline,
that was like no really based in2011.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
Yeah, wait, please tell us about it what were why
did you know that it was basedin 2011?
Speaker 2 (20:33):
I randomly picked this book.
I just like Google, I likelooked for like a magazine
website, like best steamy novelsfor the summer and I just
picked this one.
I cannot remember the name ofit, I do know, or the author,
but the girls whole Characterwas like she just like loved to
bake and she was blonde andcurvy and she didn't even care
about her curves Because shejust like loved cupcakes so much
(20:57):
which like cupcakes are.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
So why are cupcakes?
So 2011?
I were just what was happeningand I still love cupcakes, but
like I, that's what everyone was, like he was so fit and like
she just he didn't like.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
She just like didn't even care about working out.
Like he was just so fit and itannoyed her that he was just
like so hot.
It was so annoying, I hated it.
I couldn't read it.
Speaker 4 (21:20):
Yeah, there are.
There are definitely a lot ofbooks like that and that leads
me to my next question.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
actually, kind of can her up to ask it?
Yeah, okay, what are some?
You know how everyone onInstagram are doing like Two
thousand and twenty four endsand outs like this is in and
these are out, like what arethings like cliches in, like,
like plot cliches, characterqualities, that like are out for
(21:46):
2024.
Speaker 4 (21:48):
That is a really good question.
The thing is and one thing thatI love about the reading
community is that everyone'stastes are so widely varied.
For you.
Yeah, for me, the things that Ithink are on the way out are
things that I've just neverreally been interested in.
Yes, Like when I read a mafiaromance.
(22:10):
I don't read it for any dose ofreality.
I don't like it when there's asurprise pregnancy.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
Isn't that like your least favorite trope You're?
Speaker 4 (22:20):
like oh done, yeah, that is typically if that
happens, especially early on inthe book, and I haven't
connected the characters yet.
I will just I won't finish thatbook because I'm reading a
mafia romance.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
Yeah, I'm not trying to take care of a baby?
Speaker 3 (22:35):
Yeah, exactly who is like?
Oh, a baby, this is so steamy.
Yeah, that's weird.
Speaker 4 (22:42):
I know a lot of people really love the idea of
you know, a hardened man turningall gooey at the end.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
Oh, I thought you were not different kind of
hardened.
Speaker 4 (22:52):
Like.
I think that's definitely wherea lot of it comes from, but for
me that's not really somethingthat I can connect with and it's
no, it's just me out my parentall day long.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
I don't want a surprise pregnancy interrupting
my smut.
Speaker 4 (23:10):
Exactly so.
There's stuff like that.
I never used to like thefriends to lovers, I always like
the enemies to lovers.
But sometimes friends toenemies to lovers is really good
, like best friends growing up,and then there's a
misunderstanding and they becomeenemies for a little bit Like
13 going on 30.
Yeah, you know something likethat, but with a lot more smud
(23:33):
in it.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
Yeah, so, okay, I have a fun question.
Sorry, I cut you off.
No, no, go for it, but I justsaw this thing where I don't
remember where I saw it, but itwas like if there was a book I
mean a movie or a book I guessthat doesn't have any steamy
scenes, but you wish it did.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
What would it be?
Speaker 2 (23:57):
Oh my gosh, we have 10 minutes yeah someone give us
money so we could pay for Zoomyeah.
Speaker 4 (24:05):
Okay, well, lord of the Rings would be oh, okay, no,
there's not, like, any women inthe fellowship apart from you
know.
Like not in the fellowshipthere are women, obviously.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
But there are very hot fairy people.
Yeah, whatever they are.
Speaker 4 (24:24):
I would be super down for some of that, although I
guarantee you there are fanwritten fan fiction out there.
This is purely coming frommiddle school Athena Pirates of
the Caribbean as well.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
Oh my gosh, yes, we're here in.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
Nightly.
Speaker 4 (24:43):
Yeah, yes, yeah, I was deeply obsessed with both of
those series.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
Yeah, those are good.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
That's a good one, that's yours, Caroline.
I'm thinking.
I'm thinking Do you have one?
Speaker 2 (24:58):
I can't think of it.
I wish I was prepared.
Speaker 3 (25:01):
I know I should have thought about that before I
asked the question.
Maybe, mr.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
Napkinhead and, oh yes, the holiday.
Speaker 3 (25:11):
Wait, yeah, that would be pretty good, I would
not have thought about that.
Speaker 4 (25:18):
I watch that every year.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
I know I watch this year.
Actually I'm giving myself alittle break.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
I didn't watch it this year either, because I also
needed a break.
Speaker 4 (25:26):
Yeah, oh my gosh, no, I watch it at least twice a
year.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
It's very good.
I think of someone I loveseeing on screen that I mean
lately it's been Daddy JeremyAllen White.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
Oh, the bear, I was gonna say I'm specifically
watching Shameless for thatreason so I'm getting my dose.
Speaker 4 (25:53):
Yeah, I mean the bear .
I wouldn't be mad about.
You know a little bit of.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
I wouldn't either Bear.
Speaker 3 (25:59):
I wouldn't be mad about more action with Roy and
Keely.
Speaker 4 (26:04):
I also wouldn't mind that.
Speaker 3 (26:07):
I mean I don't want it in the show because the
show's good enough without it,but if there was like a fan
fiction, I wouldn't be mad ifthere was some fan fiction about
it.
Speaker 4 (26:15):
Yeah, I can guarantee there is somewhere, we just
have to find it.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
Yeah, that's true.
I think I that's your nextmission.
Speaker 4 (26:24):
Yep, I got to.
I'll get back to you in 30minutes.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
After reading so many of these books would you ever
write?
Try to write one.
Speaker 4 (26:34):
Bring a writer.
Have I tried to write 10different books over the last
couple of years?
Speaker 1 (26:41):
Yes, yes, I have.
Speaker 4 (26:43):
Do I ever get past the beginning phase, where my
favorite part is always likecreating the characters and
their stories, and then, once Ihave to actually put their
scenes down on the page?
Speaker 3 (26:55):
It's like Sims.
Yeah, I wanna make thecharacters I was just gonna say
that Build the house.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
I don't wanna play Bad Rose, bad Rose, bad Mother
low.
Speaker 4 (27:03):
Yes, exactly, mother.
Low the whole thing.
And then, yeah, that's I have.
When I used to work at myprevious job, we would be on the
boat, you know, for eight hoursa day, and I would have
probably two hours at leastwhere I wasn't doing anything.
And so I have notebooks of ohbook ideas notebooks Like three
(27:28):
notebooks full of ideas, Willthey?
Speaker 3 (27:30):
ever turn into anything.
I think you.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
I could totally see you one day writing a book, me
too.
Speaker 4 (27:37):
I would really, really love to.
And actually when I was betweenjobs, I was like that's what
I'm gonna do, I'm gonna takethis time, I'm gonna write a
book.
I didn't do any of that.
So you did sew a dress, so Isewed multiple dresses and then
I also gave up on that.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
So the beginning is the best part.
It is.
It really is.
Unless you read a book, I can'ttell you how many?
Speaker 4 (28:01):
Yeah, yeah, that's.
You know.
The middle, middle, late Middle, is the best part.
Speaker 3 (28:08):
I have so many like open hobbies that have never
been finished in my cabinetright now, so yeah, yeah, I
hyper fixate and then you know,a month later I get onto
something else.
Speaker 4 (28:21):
So yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
One last question to finish us out, because I am
genuinely curious about this Issaying a smut book just as bad
as saying like?
What's the Spanish word forhouse, casa, casa, house, like,
is it like, is, can you like?
Do you just say?
Speaker 3 (28:43):
Like the mojo-dojo-casa house.
Yes, are you?
Speaker 2 (28:45):
just reading, like I'm reading smut, or is smut
book acceptable?
Speaker 4 (28:51):
I would say smut book is acceptable, purely because
someone saying I'm reading abook doesn't mean that they're
reading smut.
But if someone's like, I guessif someone was like eating queso
and they said I'm eating quesocheese.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
I know that's what I'm saying is like oh, no, okay,
I'm not saying.
Speaker 4 (29:09):
I guess, I'm sitting, try tea, like obviously try and
teach, Because it's a type ofbook.
Yeah, it's like a genre, likeif someone said I'm having I was
trying to make like a queso,like a meat queso, instead of
like I don't know.
I don't know where I'm going atthis.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
Okay, that was a really plain question to end
with, but Every time.
I say smut book, I'm like Iwonder if I'm annoying people
that are like tried and true inthis community.
Speaker 4 (29:38):
No, I think it's good to add that qualifier.
Like it is, it's a smut book.
It's because it could be fanfiction, it could be a book, it
could be a comic book.
There's comic books, you know.
There's like a wide range ofthings that I would consider
smutty material.
Okay.
So, I would never get annoyedor think that that was a made a
(30:00):
phrase thing.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
Noob.
Speaker 4 (30:03):
I would never think that that was weird.
So Okay, great.
Speaker 3 (30:07):
Caroline, do you have any?
Speaker 2 (30:08):
final questions.
Speaker 3 (30:10):
I don't think so.
I'm just thank you so much.
We've been talking about doingthis for so long.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
I know.
Speaker 3 (30:16):
I'm glad we finally got to do it it was so fun Me
too.
Thanks for having me on.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
You're welcome Everyone follow Athena.
The bookish, the bookisharcheologist, or just bookish.
Speaker 4 (30:26):
Just bookisharcheologist,
archeologist with the A.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
Okay, the archeologist, yeah.
On Instagram and TikTok.
Speaker 4 (30:37):
Yes both.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
Yeah, thank you so much Of course.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
Yes, everybody have a great day or evening.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
Thanks for listening and we will see you.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
Next Tuesday.
See you Next Tuesday.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
Peace.
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