May 24, 2024 • 62 mins
Controversy erupted at Benedictine College's graduation, and we pull no punches dissecting the speech that sparked heated debates. The address, which seemed to diminish women's roles to domesticity, despite their academic achievements, gets a critical analysis from us. We respect personal choices in homemaking, but we won't shy away from challenging views that threaten to undermine women's broader aspirations. Plus, we don't hold back on discussing the delicate interplay between Catholic doctrine on birth control and the responsibility of public speech.
Turning our gaze to the many cracks in the public education system, we expose the urgent need for literacy and self-education. Stories of individuals who've taken their learning into their own hands despite systemic failures underscore our conversation. We confront the stark realities of special education tracks, the weight of parental expectations, and the debilitating pressure of standardized tests—like the dreaded STAR tests in Texas. Ending on a personal note, I recount the disappointment of a lackluster university commencement, which left families like mine feeling undervalued after our investment in education. Join us for a candid exploration of how learning should truly prepare us for the journey ahead.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
good morning.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Good morning oh, I have.
Um, I think everyone's gonna behappy we're doing a podcast for
tomorrow.
Why?
Because I've had several peoplego.
Okay, we listen to your othertwo podcasts and you just keep
releasing them, because some ofthe people that we listen to are
(00:26):
already all of us, yeah, andalready listen to the
indoctrination.
So when we posted it two weeksin a row, they're like when the
fuck are you gonna do anotherpodcast?
Speaker 1 (00:34):
I'm like okay, we're doing it, we're doing it.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Tomorrow we'll be released um yeah, anyway, yeah,
so I'm cutting my hair off today.
Um, like, how much are yougonna?
go so I think I'm gonna go likehere, okay, and do bangs and do
like, oh my god, baggage, yeah,um, I don't know.
(01:00):
I've got several pictures linedup and so one of my girlfriends
was supposed to cut it onMonday and she canceled on me
and so I was like really bummed.
So then she said, well, I'll doit tomorrow, and which was
Tuesday, because she decided notto come in on Monday.
So then Tuesday, get there andI'm completely booked and I'm
(01:23):
like we have no time, and also Idon't want to be rushed, you
know, through a haircut, becausewhen you do hair sometimes
you're just like fit me in realquick and cut it.
You know what I mean?
I don't want somethingdifferent.
So, anyway, Liz is having amidlife.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
I'm having a midlife Like literally we're both having
midlifes because I'm having amidlife, like literally we're
both having midlifes because I'mI'm not giving a fuck and Liz
is like changing her whole.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
Well, I didn't.
I didn't give a fuck for fouryears.
My hair was the same for fouryears and I had enough one day
and I was like, fuck it, I'mchanging it.
So, to be fair, yeah, I'm inprocess and so, anyway, I don't
know if I'll have time to colorit today, but I'm definitely
(02:12):
cutting, so we'll see anyway,I'm excited.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
How are you?
I'm fine, I just I'm gonna letit all go.
Okay, it's.
It's oddly curly.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
I don't remember my hair being curly like I've done
nothing to it, you know my hairwas straight as a board when I
was young and then, as I've gotolder, it's gotten more and more
wavy.
Yeah, it's weirdly when I washit if I scrunch it, I can have
full-on curls, like it's crazy.
Yeah, um, but I have wave to it.
I I call it a wavy frizz.
I don't have like good curl,it's like a frizz curl, wave, a
(02:50):
wavy frizz.
So it gets annoying as hell,but it's fine, um.
So anyway, I just had to haveit short and I cut my roommate
one's hair this weekend and,bugging me to cut it, she was
like cut my hair, cut my hairshe went pretty short pictures
that are like boy short, like Imean, you know, two inches on
(03:11):
top and like shaved on the sides, and I was like, oh my god.
I was like I don't think you'reready for that, because let me
tell you about, I'm gonna say, ayear.
She begged me to cut her hair.
It was middle of her back andshe wanted it cut to here, you
know, like chin length.
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So I cut it there and she hatedit and went on this rampage
center into a downward spiral.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
I don't know why you do that to yourself what the
hell.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
So Randy was like you're not allowed to cut her
hair anymore, like don cut herhair anymore.
So I'm like, okay, I'm notgoing to.
But then since then she's lovedher short hair and so I've, you
know, trimmed it up a few timesand I'm just like you know the
pressure.
And she's like she uses thingslike I don't trust anybody else
to cut my hair, you need to cutit for me.
(04:03):
I'm like you just don't want topay somebody to do it.
Her boyfriend was like pleasedon't cut her hair, please don't
cut her hair.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
And I'm like and she's on the other.
Why didn't he say that I wantit?
Speaker 2 (04:14):
short and I'm like holy crap.
No, I cut it actually slightlylonger than the photo she sent
me, but she loves it.
She's called me every day andsaid how much she loves her hair
.
So I'm happy that that turnedout okay because, my god, um, I
said I will never speak to youagain if you get mad at me.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
Wait why did her boyfriend not want it cut?
Speaker 2 (04:39):
because he had to witness the downward spiral okay
, last time, like I mean she waslosing her mind.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
I mean not even kidding, you know, and I think
people I understand it becauseum roommate number four does the
same thing and but I stoppedthat in high school because she
would be like I should wake upone day and go.
I want to go, blonde, blonde,and I'm like you're half Middle
Eastern and you have horse hair.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
The amount of bleach that it would take for you to go
blonde is going to kill a smallhuman, so yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
And then she would whine because it was all
freaking fried.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
It was oh my God, I remember that, and she would
always want me to.
Was all freaking fried, it wasoh my god, I remember that, and
she would always want me to doit when I would go down there
and I'm like that you're not, Imean, I love, but she won't get
mad at you, I know, but uh, theundertaking of that amount of
hair and that dark of hair to goblonde is such a mountain yes,
(05:45):
well, and I remember at onepoint she did it with her
girlfriend oh, yeah, like on asleepover and I'm like what the
what now?
okay, everybody has to do thateverybody has to do at some
point yeah, they've got to go.
Oh, let me see if I can do itmyself and then realize, oh shit
, who?
Speaker 1 (06:05):
are you?
Yeah, who are you?
You haven't even introducedyourself yet.
Anyway, you haven't evenintroduced yourself yet.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
Okay, I'm Liz and I'm Rachel.
Welcome to the shit show.
Yeah, sisters, declassifiedLife Survival Guide the longest
name for a podcast ever, but welove it I just like sisters
(06:35):
declassified.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
Yeah, sisters declassified is great.
Yeah, it sounds more cia.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
That's kind of what I was going for.
We can totally change it onyour pod, okay.
Okay, like that's the thing wehave the power to change.
It's the thing, we have thepower to change it, we have the
power.
We have the power.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
Absolute power.
What are we talking about?
You have to introduce thisbecause you know more about the
fool's ball than I do.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Oh, my dear God, and I know so we're going to talk
about this in the beginningbecause it's been on my mind and
it just literally pisses me off.
Also, it falls into a categoryof cult and, like this whole,
this whole thing of surroundingreligion and believing something
(07:22):
so much that you spread it likea poison to everyone you know
yes, and you literally arefucking crazy.
Okay, so we, so as you, as mostof the world knows, the kicker
as my stomach turns.
Yes, kansas city did a speechat a um catholic college.
(07:48):
Right, was it catholic?
It was catholic I did not knowthat.
I'm pretty.
I'm 99 sure from what I've readthat it's a catholic college.
Okay, um, he is catholic likestout, catholic like cult
catholic like I think they callit devout, devout not stout.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
I think that's a beer yeah, devout.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
Okay, he's a devout catholic, as he mentions
multiple times.
Oh my god, I literally I couldnot even I mean so.
I kept seeing these memes overthe weekend and I did too, but I
really didn't know who he was,and I'm like okay, and I'm
thinking this has got to betaken out of context, right, so
(08:36):
I go.
Okay, I am going to listen tothis full speech because I
listen to the whole thing, right, oh, I did um, vomiting halfway
through um, and then I pulledup the transcript and I was like
I have to provide quotes fromthis man because this man is
insane.
(08:56):
Um, so and uh, you can believewhatever you want to believe.
Don't get me wrong.
I think that if you believesomething different than me,
that's okay, not in this country?
Speaker 1 (09:11):
It's not.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
But when you are pushing it on to other people,
that's not okay, it's not okay,it's not okay, it's not okay,
okay.
And so this is in an educationsetting, which brings us to our
topic for this week, which we'regoing to talk about education.
Um, because it's been in ourbrains recently, since roommate
number four graduated college,that and other things, but, yes,
(09:35):
a lot of other things going onright.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
So okay, oh, I am going to read some of these
quotes from this I need to waituntil I'm not drinking coffee,
because I'm probably gonna spitit on my computer okay, so in
the first minute I mean not evena minute into his speech, he
(10:01):
talks you have to explain who heis, because nobody no, I don't
know.
I didn't know who he was.
I saw memes and I saw littlethings, but I don't know who he
is.
You got to explain thebackstory like who?
Speaker 2 (10:13):
are we talking about?
What does this guy is a kickerfor the kansas city chiefs.
Okay, so he plays footballabout three minutes a year.
He's a kicker.
Nobody cares, right?
They only care if he makes thepoint, that's when he's
celebrated.
But you know, all the times hedoesn't make a point, they also
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care because then he's fucked upthe whole team.
Oh my God, All the way to theend, and then he screws it up.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
The replacements.
Remember the guy that was thekicker on the replacements?
He was the replacements.
Remember the guy that was thekicker on the replacements?
He was wiry.
Do you know what I'm talkingabout?
I love that actor.
Remember that movie is amazinganyway.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
So this guy's a kicker, he, you know, I'm sure
he makes millions of dollars,whatever.
Who cares, right?
Well, um, in the first minuteof his speech that he gave yes
at a graduation he gave to thisreligious college.
I'll just say religious college.
There we go.
It was a religious college.
(11:15):
Um, he talks about howeverybody has missed that.
They miss.
The kids that are graduatingthis year miss their high school
graduation.
Yes, they did so.
Anybody that are graduatingthis year miss their high school
graduation yes, they did so.
Anybody that's graduating fromcollege this year, if they did
it in four years, they misstheir high school graduation
because of COVID.
And he said you know, as agroup, this is this is a quote
(11:37):
you witnessed firsthand how badleaders who don't stay in their
lane can have a negative impacton society.
I'm like wait a minute, whatnow?
Speaker 1 (11:52):
What now?
Speaker 2 (11:55):
What so?
The pandemic is because of badleaders, basically, okay, I'm
like no, everybody in thepandemic was just trying to
figure out how the fuck tosurvive well, were you not?
There, when there was thousandsand thousands and thousands of
people who died from this.
Yeah, bodies piling up in themorgues I'm like, oh, okay, how
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would you have handled that, mrfucker?
Like, oh my god, what the hell?
Okay, um says our own nation isled by a man who publicly and
proudly proclaims his Catholicfaith but, at the same time, is
delusional enough to make thesign of the cross during a
(12:38):
pro-abortion rally.
What?
Speaker 1 (12:44):
What is he talking about right now?
Speaker 2 (12:47):
I know he literally makes no sense.
Like it's so funny those linesdid not vocal.
He says he's been so vocal inhis support for the murder of
innocent babies that I'm sure tomany people it appears you can
both be catholic and pro-choice.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
This is him just like , pushing like is he aware that,
like 80 of the country, is forlike choice, pro-choice?
Speaker 2 (13:17):
yeah, yeah, no, it's.
It's absolutely crazy.
He was literally just likebashing the president.
I mean, it was like a presidentbashing ceremony.
Um, from the man behind thecovid lockdowns to the people
pushing dangerous genderideologies onto the youth of
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america are you kidding me?
Um, they all have a glaringthing in common they're catholic
.
This is an important reminderthat being catholic alone
doesn't cut it, so you need tobe a devout catholic.
Don't just say you're catholic,no, a stout catholic a stout
catholic.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
You need to be a stout catholic I love it, I love
it.
I am all for the rights ofevery stout Catholic like I
think you should believe.
Whatever the fuck you want tobelieve, oh my god, it's not a
one thing fits all.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
No for anything you know, what I mean.
And, um, oh my god, I know a lotof good saying that.
Him saying that just makes methink well and know that the
catholic church can be a cult.
Okay, so it can be.
It can be.
Yes, I think there's manypeople in the catholic religion
that practice that are not, youknow, cult-like.
(14:36):
Um, I think that the rituals ofthe catholic church, in my
opinion, are a little cult-like,but it is.
It's not a one-size-fits-all,and I have talked to many people
who are Catholic.
I have friends who are Catholic, lots of people that are
Catholic, and everybody is alittle bit different.
(14:56):
But he's stating that if youdon't believe the way he
believes, you're not a Catholic.
So I thought that washysterical.
But here's where the speechstarts to get good.
Okay, for the ladies presenttoday.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
Wait, who's wait?
Are there ladies present today?
Speaker 2 (15:16):
Oh, yeah, because there's women and men graduating
from this college.
Okay, congratulations on anamazing accomplishment.
You should be proud of all thatyou have achieved to this part
in your young lives.
I want to speak directly to youbriefly, because I think it is
you, the women, who have had themost diabolical lies told to
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you.
Okay, what?
Well, let's just get into it.
How many of you this is all inthe same paragraph.
Okay, I literally copied fromthe transcript.
Okay, how many of you aresitting here now about to cross
this stage and are thinkingabout all the promotions and
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titles you are going to get inyour career?
Some of you may go on to leadsuccessful careers in the world,
but I would venture to guessthat the majority of you are
most excited about your marriageand the children you will bring
into this world.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
Wow, is it a college that promotes marriage like I
mean?
I don't know so if it's, ifit's actually a catholic college
, which I probably should havedone a little more research to
find out exactly but I'll lookit up while you're talking, okay
I can tell you that mybeautiful wife, isabella, would
be the first to say that herlife truly started when she
began living her vocation as awife and a mother.
(16:58):
Oh my God, nothing wrong withthat if that's what you want to
do, but, dear God, he'sbasically putting his wife in
this box.
Um, I'm on the stage today andI'm able to be the man I am
because I have a wife who learnsher vocation.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
oh wait, wait, wait, it's okay.
It's benedictine College, aCatholic, private, liberal art
school, so it is Catholic, butit's a private.
Well, if it's Catholic, it'sprivate, but it's a liberal art
school.
So he's talking to a bunch ofteachers oh, my God, okay, fuck,
isn't that crazy?
Uh-huh?
(17:39):
Well, it also negates anythingthat happened in someone's life
before they have a child, whichis really effed up, yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
Yeah, oh, I have a wife who learns her vocation.
I'm beyond blessed with themany talents God has given me
made possible because a girl Imet in band class back in middle
school would convert to thefaith, become my wife and
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embrace the most important titleof all homemaker.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
Okay, Now I we gotta break that down, cause I don't
mind.
If you like, if that's what youwant to do, oh for sure.
Like there are women, you,that's what they want to do and
and that is fine and I supportthat 100, because I think you
know what that is amazing and Iknow a ton of really like
(18:35):
fucking phenomenal people thatare really good at it, yes, yes,
and I'm like that's, if that'syour jam, you freaking, do you
man?
sorry, I oh no um, but butbutker, but why would you shove
it on people?
Speaker 2 (18:56):
well, and basically he's telling all of these
students their that if theydon't do nothing.
Yes, their degrees mean nothingif they're female, because
their job is to be a wife athome.
As I think women can change theworld, why do you have to be
isolated to this one thing?
Speaker 1 (19:14):
no, well, the, the there's so problematic in so
many ways?
Only because it's like who thefuck brought you here?
Right, the?
Why would you disrespect womenby just relegating them to?
Reproduction right, that's.
That's.
I absolutely 100 percentrespect anyone who wants to do
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that, but if you reduce womendown to that, that's what he's
doing.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
Yes, that is his speech.
It's not a.
You choose to do this.
This is a.
This is your duty, Right?
Who cares about your fuckingdegree that you just fucking
spent four years earning?
Speaker 1 (19:58):
You should be a wife and mother or the effort that
was put into that Right.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Yeah, he's negating all of their hard work.
Basically, that's that's what Iget from it.
I'm like no, no, no, no, um.
I mean there's so many morequotes, but he said at one point
no matter how you spin it,there's nothing natural about
catholic birth control I usethat I use that line statement
(20:29):
in his speech to a group ofcollege okay, I use that line
all the time when I'm teachingclients, right?
Speaker 1 (20:37):
so I'll say squeeze your legs together like catholic
birth control.
I'm not kidding.
You think I'm joking.
I'm.
I say it all the time becauseit's funny, funny.
Well, the Catholic Church didnot approve of using birth
control.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
No.
But they also believe innatural family planning, which
is like no birth control?
No, it's have sex only aroundthe days where you're not
fertile.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
well, but they've updated a lot of their um, oh,
absolutely things in the mostrecent past to like, stay
current, uh, as opposed to thesupreme court, who's taken us
back 200 years and basicallyprecedent is for suckers um he
closed it.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
This is his closing to his speech.
Never be afraid to profess theone holy catholic and
apostolistic church.
Apostolic.
This is the church that jesuschrist established, through
which we receive sanctifyinggrace okay, well, good, good on
him.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
I mean, that is, uh, he's a good catholic boy.
The problem of it, or theproblem with it absolutely is
not that he's catholic or not,that he's right speaking at a
graduation ceremony.
It's that he's using a platformto negate the accomplishments
(22:10):
of the people he's speaking tooh yeah, specifically women and
to negate them or downgradetheir accomplishments to simple
reproduction, and that'sproblematic yes, it's so
problematic.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
Anyway, that was my um speaking of last week because
it's been on my brain and I'mlike okay.
So I was like I finally have towatch this speech because I'm
just like appalled that allthese means, because I like to
give people the benefit of thedoubt.
Yeah, I'm like maybe he wasthanking his wife for, like,
(22:43):
putting her career aside anddoing this because he wanted
somebody there to raise his kids, and he didn't career aside and
doing this because he wantedsomebody there to raise his kids
and he didn't want a strangerto raise them.
He wanted nice coffee.
Do you need some coffee, liz?
I have some.
Thank you.
Um, but I was like, you know,maybe it was taken out of
context, maybe it was this.
So then I was like, okay, well,I have to read this, because if
(23:04):
I don't listen to the entirething, I'm yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
I want to know the content.
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I want to be a fair, a fairjudgment here, because I was
judging harsh.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
Um, and then I heard, was the little clips to like
little, and I didn't, I didn't,I didn't even care that much, or
enough to to go, you know.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
I mean this problem is is that he has such a big
platform and he's pushing thisagenda and the chiefs are
supporting it like they.
Literally I I don't know if itwas the owner or the coach that
got behind him and said wesupport him 100 and I'm like,
really like, have you seenthere's?
A petition for him to be fired.
(23:46):
There's all these petitions andI don't think someone should be
fired I don't, I don't agreewith that, but I also don't
think that.
Um, I feel like him.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
Putting down people's accomplishments is really
fucked up I really um, that's,that's my disagreement is not
from any of you know any of thethings, except for, yeah, like
kind of really making it a smallaccomplishment.
But we had that problem in, uh,arizona also, so I'm like, it's
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not that, it's not not fresh onour brains, yeah with like
negating a big, huge deal, thatyou know.
And it wasn't religiously, youknow, even directed in that
context, it was just trivial,trivialized in like all the
worst ways, and that's sort ofwhat he did in the same way,
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just in a religious, um,reproduction sort of way, like
putting putting everything in acup of oh okay, your one job is
just reproduction and that's allyou care about.
And that's not true foreveryone and nor should it be.
Um, ours, ours was roommatenumber four, graduating from
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college, which so, yes, we justwent to watch that proud of and
very proud, very proud singlemother who didn't really get
much help other than the loveand support of her family.
Um, that, uh, it was so cattlecall, I mean okay, for for all
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intents and purposes it was astate school, right?
Um, it's also, uh, a very highranked business school and
that's what my uh roommatenumber four went to.
So I didn't have any delusionsof grandeur going into it, that
it wasn't going to be you knowtoo many people, um, and that it
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was right, cause they didn'teven do tickets.
They had 36 graduationceremonies, um, throughout the
whole entirety of the school.
Their graduation program was 448pages long.
I'm not.
There's 20 700 graduates.
So if I just simply did themath of what I paid me, not her
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I paid for her to go to schoolby for over a four-year time
period for 20 700 graduates, andthat's low-balling it, by the
way, that's right, probably lowbecause she got part.
I didn't even count herscholarships.
I did not count her scholarship,um, I just put in the money
that I paid into it, which isabout average, because the
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scholarship only took care ofher out-of-state tuition, which
is also bullshit.
Um, but it was about three.
It was like 3.9 trilliondollars that's insane.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
Let's talk.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
Schools are big business hello, it's not
education, it's business.
Yes, oh my god, and you knowwhat good.
On the private catholic schools, because you know what?
That's where my roommate numberfour got her best education
years, and I won't, I won't likeback down from that, because
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they did teach her good reading,they did teach her good writing
, they did teach her goodsportsmanship.
Right, they did teach quite afew good things.
So I'm not bagging on any like,but private schools and public
schools are both becoming just areally, really poor business
model, because they're notgetting that.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
Private schools, like people think, if it's a private
school, it's a good school, andthat is not necessarily true,
because private schools havedifferent regulations.
Also, they have no regulationsin a lot of states, um, like,
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for instance, our schools thatwe went to growing up our school
singular right, right.
Um, to growing up our schoolsingular right, right um, zero,
zero, zero accountability.
Um, if we weren't intelligenton our own, we we would be
totally stupid because oureducation sucked.
(28:22):
I mean, I will say the firstprobably three years of school
were pretty good.
We had good teachers whoactually cared and actually
taught us some important things.
My mom taught me stuff, um, mymom gave me an education before
I even went to school, but if wewere just average kids, we
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would not have got any kind ofor type of education.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
So I disagree with you only because no
accountability.
Well, I disagree with you onone of these things.
So what I disagree with you onis that Our primary education
meaning like kindergartenthrough fourth, fifth, sixth
(29:11):
grade, right however, I don'tfeel like fourth, fifth and
sixth was good for me, I think.
Okay, third grade, yeah, um thatpersonal but we were personal,
personal opinions aside andteacher specific aside that we
were taught how to read, how towrite right and and, and basic
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math skills.
Okay, okay, if you can't read,you can't learn right, period,
okay, so, so, in terms of ourprimary education meaning
teaching us how to read, writeand add or subtract or multiply
(29:52):
we had a pretty decent educationbeyond that, yeah, you're right
, you're absolutely right.
Nothing else like socialsciences, history, right, any of
the government, like a lot of,yeah, science, science wasn't a
thing.
Um, yeah, um.
So, yes, you're right in theother aspects, but in the things
(30:16):
that matter, meaning, if youknow how to read, you can
educate yourself.
I, I just pulled up this bookdon't say the name of it, but um
, that okay, okay, um, and alsoa similar experience to ours, um
, in terms, but that was likeyeah, I think lds, but but like
(30:37):
freakishly weird lds and alsoagain taught themselves how to
read, write and do the thing,and that made all the difference
in the world.
Because then, once you learnhow to read this is why a lot of
the like extremists want to banbooks because once you learn,
(30:58):
then you know better and you dobetter um, but that's reading.
So if you can't read um, uh, myboyfriend teaches, uh, special
ed, right.
Uh, um, public high schoolright In Southern California and
you know their biggest deal islike there.
(31:19):
So they have kids that are incertificate track and kids that
are on like a graduation diplomatrack, right in special ed.
So, but the kids have to thenask for.
So let's say you can't read,right.
Let's say you can't read likehe.
His one student was at a likesecond or third grade level and
(31:44):
is now currently a junior.
Okay, still can't read beyond asecond or third grade level.
But the parents want the kid tograduate and become a pilot.
Meanwhile they won't even lethim drive or cook his own meals
because there's just not thecompetency there to do that.
(32:08):
But he can't be on a secondgrade level, so, but the parents
want him to get a diploma so hecan go into a college, right,
and do all this stuff.
The parents want him to do that.
He's feeling drastically right,right, here's the fucked up
part of it.
So there are parents that have.
(32:29):
So basically, they push theirkid.
They're like no, we don't wantthem to do a certificate, we
want them to do a diplomaprogram.
The the school cannot, publicschool cannot intervene and go
hey, no, no, no, we want you togo on certificate.
If the parents are pushing fora diploma, right.
So then it puts pressure on theteachers to then pass the kid,
(32:55):
right.
So they're like, ok, even if wegive you like D's and C's right
, you barely pass, like by theskin of your teeth.
Then they've had parents comeback and sue the school district
for quote-unquote passing theirkid when they weren't prepared
for life.
Yeah, and I'm like I'm sorry,what's not no right, that is so
(33:22):
fucked up in so many ways.
So basically they're saying, no, you need to pass our kid, you
need to pass our kid.
That puts pressure on this.
So at what point is like actualeducation happening?
Speaker 2 (33:34):
never, like they're not learning, they're learning
that well, I do feel like publicschool, which I read this thing
this morning for the state ofTexas and I want to say 19
billion dollars is spent in thestate of Texas.
(33:58):
I better get that right.
Let me look.
I don't want to misquote 19billion.
Hang on.
90 million, okay, not billionmillion $90 million per year is
(34:18):
paid to write, distribute andgrade star tests.
Okay, I'm like, can you imaginewhat $90 million would do for
schools I mean, they weren'ttesting If they weren't doing
(34:39):
that testing and just did theregular?
Like I don't know that the startesting helps at all, except I
remember when my kids were doingit helps at all, except I
remember when my kids were doingit, um it, all it did was the
teachers were stressed about thekids doing it, because if they
don't pass then it's bad on theteacher, and so they literally
(35:02):
stress my kids out.
I mean physical, emotionalstress that the kids went
through for these tests becausethe teachers put so much
pressure on them.
Like you need to make sure youeat, you need to make sure you
do this, you need to make sureyou do this, you need to make
sure you do this because youhave to take this test, and blah
, blah, blah.
Um, I actually had a friend andthis is hysterical that you had
(35:24):
a friend no, the story about myfriend's kid.
So he got pissed.
He was like in second or thirdgrade and I don't remember when
they were taking the test it'sprobably second grade anyway and
he was like I'm just gonnarefuse to take the test, that's
a choice.
(35:44):
He literally sat there everyday doing nothing, yeah, and did
not take the test, did notwrite anything.
When it was time to turn it in,he turned it in empty and she
got a call from the principalwhat the heck?
And he said she stressed me outso much that I didn't want to
(36:06):
do it.
Yep, and so he didn't do it, butbut I'm like, here's my thought
on the whole situation was likewhy which I think it's so funny
of this kid to do that I thinkit's great, it's fantastic, it's
called civil disobedience I wasreally pissed, but also I was
like this is awesome, but howdid the teacher not notice that
(36:30):
for five days he was sittingthere doing nothing like, didn't
have a pen in hand, didn't likewrite?
Speaker 1 (36:37):
well, that's just because amazing yeah, but I mean
in general, it's it.
Testing is not educating, it'stesting it's testing.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
It's not teaching them anything.
It's supposed to show whatyou've learned.
You know that you know whatyou've learned, but it's the
same with like okay.
So, for instance, in my fieldof barbering, cosmetology,
there's people who graduate, goand take the board test and pass
and go on to do hair and suckat it because they happen all
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the time what you need to passthe test.
Yes, and so I feel like that'sexactly what they're doing, you
know, in schools and they'reunderfunded and under under
everything.
Speaker 1 (37:29):
Yes, understaffed under overworked underpaid, all
the things I mean.
And I I I say this fromexperience, like personal
experience, like I know, becauseI teach in public education and
so does my uh boyfriend, andit's a shit show.
I know this, um, and theproblem is not the teachers, the
(37:50):
problem is not the students,it's administration, it's
funding, and all they're worriedabout is they don't get funding
to pay to educate quote unquoteeducate or test kids if they
don't follow the requirementsfor their funding.
This is the problem is becausethey're not teaching for
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understanding and learning,they're teaching for funding, so
they can stay open.
And I'm like, why, why is that?
Why do they have to jumpthrough all these hoops to get
money?
We should be, as a society, allinvested in the fact that if
our kids are fucking smarter andthey understand and they learn,
we're going to go further inlife.
(38:33):
That we will all succeed, but no, that's not it.
So there's been all thesestupid requirements put in place
that require them to do A, b, c, d, E, f and G, rather than
actually teach the kids how tofucking live life and be a human
and a good person, a member ofsociety.
(38:54):
That's like contributing andnot just a reproductive machine,
like a fucking battery from thematrix.
Right, right, which is what?
Uh, what's his face's speechwas?
Oh my god, watching you do thison camera is hilarious, because
it looks like you're doing itbackwards.
Speaker 2 (39:16):
Oh my god, sorry, liz is putting on her.
Frida Kahlo, I'm putting on mymakeup while we're doing the
podcast, because I go to workshortly after we're done.
I thought well, I can talk anddo makeup at the same time.
Speaker 1 (39:31):
Oh, you can.
I know, know, I watched you doit um let me see you do it okay.
Speaker 2 (39:38):
So, like when we were talking about private education
versus public education, I feellike not all schools are equal,
absolutely in public and thisis all blanket generalization.
Yes, yes, um, you know they'renot all equal.
There are public schools thatare fantastic.
My kids went to one of the mostamazing public schools when we
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lived in california, um, in lakeelsinore amazing education.
We moved to new mexico fromthere and my kids were a year
and a half at least behind, likethey were like why are we doing
this again?
this is stupid you mean aheadyeah, they were so so far ahead.
(40:22):
Yes, the school in new mexicowas a year and a half behind.
Yes, the school in california,um, and everyone says, oh,
california schools are shit, notall schools.
Some schools are great, someare bad.
Same with new mexico, the onemy kids went to shit.
But there's also probably somereally good schools there, you
know.
So it just you know, it dependson.
Speaker 1 (40:44):
It absolutely depends on funding yep teachers.
Speaker 2 (40:48):
You know there's a million things it depends on,
but the system is definitelybroken.
Well, it's fair go ahead.
Speaker 1 (40:55):
It's not across the board in any way.
Shape or form, and this is partof our problem is everyone gets
their b in a bonnet about oneissue and then fucks up the
entire program for everyone.
So you know it.
It's not federalized in thatsense.
Where there's there's statestandards, there's federal
standards but you know every,all of those almost in some
(41:19):
sense get in the way of actuallylearning yeah, yes, yes, um, do
you want to share?
Speaker 2 (41:28):
share how you were?
We were talking about this andthen you walked away, and so I
started talking about somethingelse, about her graduation and
how the president came across.
Speaker 1 (41:39):
So, yeah, and again it's like well, this is supposed
to be, it is high rankedbusiness program.
That roommate for attendedhigh-ranked business program
that roommate four attended, andit was for that reason, um of
the graduating ceremony that shewent to.
So again, there were 36ceremonies, um over that
(42:00):
graduation season at this oneschool, arizona state university
, and um, it is a state school,obviously public education, but
no, so the president of theentire university made a speech,
(42:32):
uh, over video, as if it werecovid, and the speech of which
was about two and a half minutesof the most unhinged,
completely chaotic andcacophonous bullshit that I've
ever heard in my entire lifemade zero sense.
Know how he actually is thepresident of the university and
can actually speak in that tone,because it was one non sequitur
(42:56):
sentence to the next.
It made absolutely no sense.
It was as if he just walked outof the bathroom from taking a
giant load of crap and then talkto the camera off the cuff for
about two and a half minutes andit made no sense whatsoever.
It didn't really encourage thegraduates in any way.
It didn't uh in any way shapeor form uh, make uh a
(43:20):
commemoration of theiraccomplishments, um, but rather
just went off the cuff on justcompletely nonsense for two and
a half it made no sense,absolutely none.
Speaker 2 (43:33):
I was sitting there going what, what the heck is
everybody was.
Speaker 1 (43:36):
Nobody knew what was happening.
Why is he even?
Speaker 2 (43:39):
talking, and why was that even shown?
I guarantee you it'spre-recorded.
Speaker 1 (43:42):
Yes, um which makes no sense either they probably
right.
Speaker 2 (43:47):
If it's pre-recorded, you would think at least, if
you're that incompetent ofspeaking, that they would write
a speech for you that you couldread.
That made sense.
I mean, he could have passed.
The student made zero sense.
It was the dumbest thing I'veever heard.
I was like what is going onhere?
Speaker 1 (44:02):
so, anyway, in terms of the budget of a small country
for 10 years, um, right, it wasreally, really offensive
because it basically underminedaccomplishments of 750 graduates
at this particular ceremony.
Um, and you know, it justseemed very, um, irreverent for
(44:26):
the circumstances, um, andparticularly given the fact that
you know, uh, there was a lotof hard work that went into this
particular, you know, graduateseducation two years were online
because of covid you know theydidn't have a high school
graduation.
Speaker 2 (44:45):
This is their first experience with a graduation
actual, yeah, ceremony that theywalk like a ceremony where they
get to walk.
Speaker 1 (44:52):
It's a ritual, it's a commemoration.
That's what it's meant to be,yep, and um, it was just
horrifying.
Speaker 2 (45:00):
Yeah, you sent an email to the school, right, I
did, I did and I got a responseback.
Speaker 1 (45:08):
Should I read oh you did?
yes, let's read it.
Okay, let's see.
Did I delete it?
Because I was just like whatthe fuck ever?
I really don't care.
Um, let's see, let's go to mysent emails, um, so I sent it to
the, the president of theuniversity, and then I sent it
(45:31):
to, like, the dean of the schoolthat she went to, um anyway,
and yeah, I can read theresponse.
Well, actually I don't think Isaved it, but anyway, um, I here
, I'll read it quickly.
I'm a parent, a single mother,and also an educator, who
attended my daughter'sundergraduate commencement
(45:52):
ceremony this past Wednesdayevening.
I came in from out of state, asdid my mother's sister, niece,
great niece, my student's fatherand also her aunt from his
family.
I was shocked by the poorquality of the commencement
ceremony.
My blood, sweat and tears havegone into most of my life
raising my daughtersingle-handedly, with little
support from anyone.
I expected more.
I believe that I've paid formore.
I feel ashamed that this iswhat my hard-earned dollar
(46:12):
produced.
I have had limited but highlyconcerning interactions with
several of the upper-levelfaculty from your school during
my daughter's time as a student.
I left each one thinking thatthere is much to be desired.
The fact that the president ofneither the university nor the
business school bothered to showup for this annual event is
appalling.
The fact that you couldn'tbother to bring in a speaker to
given the slightest bit of lawand encouragement is insulting.
(46:34):
The speeches that were givenwere meaningless, empty and
simply unhinged in light of theimportance of the moment.
I'm deeply disappointed andcertainly disillusioned with
your programs.
I've worked for the last 22years for this moment and you
simply deflated and devalued allof that with your trifle,
offensive and flippantproduction without any hint of
gravity.
Gratitude, rachel which wasexcellent worded email my god,
(47:01):
well, but it was also fittingbecause that's basically what
they gave us.
They would just give us liketrash and I'm like, yeah, well,
let me hand that right back toyou, because that was appalling.
Yes, anyway, I think the um,actually the guy that I've
talked to in, uh, years pastagain, I was like this isn't
just coming from the ceremonylike I've had interactions with
(47:23):
some of these people and they'veall come away like that, like,
like we don't care, it doesn'tmatter, and your students the
problem, not us.
That's always how it came offand I was like I'm sorry, you
know what, you should take someof your own medicine, because
that was complete trash.
And, yeah, you, you basicallydevalued and cheapened
(47:46):
everything that like went intothe moment.
Thanks for that.
Devalued and cheapenedeverything that like went into
the moment thanks for that,thanks for nothing thanks for
that, yes anyway.
Speaker 2 (47:55):
Um so well, I wish I had.
I wish you had the response.
I would love to hear it I'msure it was a uh, total
formatted response wasn't no, um, I think in general I'll.
Speaker 1 (48:08):
Just I can't find it right now because I think I did
delete it.
I was just like whatever.
Um, let's see if I can pull uphis.
Uh, yeah, my computer doesn'twant to work for me today,
that's fine um, but anyway ingeneral, the overall response
was I'm sorry, you felt it wasmeaningless.
Speaker 2 (48:24):
I tried my best and I was like okay if that's your
best yeah, perhaps we made thewrong choice entirely whatever,
um, anyway, I mean I was, I wasphysically laughing during
everyone was like.
Speaker 1 (48:44):
Our whole entire row was.
Speaker 2 (48:46):
I mean, we're like, what is he even saying?
Like it was so laughable, yeahum it's like what is going on?
Nonsense nonsense, it's allnonsense nonsense.
Speaker 1 (48:58):
What's it all mean, I tell?
Speaker 2 (48:59):
you.
Yeah, it's all mean bizarro,anyway, um, it is what it is.
But she graduated, she did thething, you did the thing, it was
very, it was a very good moment, um, so, anyway, so, uh, I
don't know what else we need tosay.
There's more things we need tosay.
Speaker 1 (49:21):
I'm certain I go to bed every night with that on my
mind.
I'm certain there's more things.
Yeah, yeah, no, we really don'tneed to say anything more.
It's kind of like leaves youspeechless, how, yeah, and, and
(49:44):
I think that in general, we getoverwhelmed with like the ins
and outs and the nuts and boltsof like people doing bullshit,
stuff like that in terms ofeducation.
But in general, it's like as asociety, we don't really value
education, and that's apparent,um, because of the way that like
things like this go down, um,and it's not like a a dagger in
(50:06):
the heart of like whether it'spublic, whether it's private,
whether it's funding, but I'mlike, well, in general, we just
don't value it.
So the fact that that fact isobvious and there's not a whole
lot to say about it other thanlike, if we educate everyone,
then we all benefit from that.
You know, I don't see theproblem there, but we're really
not educating, you know.
Speaker 2 (50:27):
Yeah, it's sad, yeah sad, but true, that is sad.
It is sad, um, not, I mean,education is important.
I think everybody has aresponsibility to educate
(50:51):
themselves a little bit, um, youknow what I mean.
Like, I don't think that it's onsomebody else to educate you,
um, especially when you're grownum people and y'all grown all
the time and I I'm guilty of thesame thing and I stop myself
and I'm like hang on, I can'tspeak on that because I'm not
(51:11):
100 percent, yeah, certain onsomething.
But if I'm sure of something,you can goddamn guarantee it
that I have, like, looked like Ihave.
Speaker 1 (51:22):
I have my opinions because I've educated myself on
the subject well, exhibit a um,sisters do classified um, and,
of course, there is a lot ofopinion, yeah, and I think I
think, speaking of numbers,numbers having having.
Speaker 2 (51:44):
I guess maybe I'm saying beliefs, like if you have
strong beliefs in something andyou try and relay those, you
need to be educated on why youbelieve that and you know things
like that Come to it from aplace of honest investigation
about the topic and not justshare, but that's.
(52:06):
That's the Internet culture,though, share, but that's that's
the internet culture, thoughwell, I think our everybody's an
expert now are definitelythings that we feel strongly
about.
Love the hair flip, hair flip.
I'm gonna have the Bieberpretty soon.
Speaker 1 (52:22):
I don't know what that is, but okay, oh my god,
okay, you're not a hair person.
Speaker 2 (52:27):
So when Justin Bieber was at the height of his like
young career, um, when he wasyoung and everybody would come
in and say I want the bieberwhat?
Speaker 1 (52:39):
does that mean like?
Speaker 2 (52:39):
the long bangs where he flipped it.
Speaker 1 (52:42):
Oh um anyway uh, I haven't paid attention enough.
Speaker 2 (52:46):
We we are strong in our beliefs because when we grew
up, we were taught one thingand only one thing, and so we
had to.
It comes from a force to cometo figure out what we believe
and learn about a lot of thingsthat we never had before.
Speaker 1 (53:10):
Yeah Well, and just to function in society, yeah,
just to be a person and live inthe world, um and, and that is
honestly something like, even tothis day, like I'm not sure of
a lot of things.
So I'll be like I'm not surewhy I don't know this, but I'll
investigate it and try andfigure out why I don't know it.
And then like, but I'm notreally putting myself against
(53:31):
anyone other than myself becauseI'm not sure why I don't know
it, like sure, and I blamereally no one for that, because
it's like well, if you don'tknow it, it's because you didn't
learn it yet, so there's no oneto blame.
There's only things to learn orfigure out or investigate or
discover on your own.
It's not as though you knowthere's a things to learn or
figure out or investigate ordiscover on your own.
It's not as though, you know,there's a huge load of blame on
(53:54):
any one thing person, ideology,belief system, whatever.
It's.
Just well, the information isout there, at least at this
moment in time it is.
That said, you know you have todo your best not to be an
asshole about it and and pretendthat you know something more
(54:14):
than you don't, because, in allhonesty, I assume that I don't
in most instances yeah, I think,and I think, if you, come from
that place of assuming Iprobably don't know, of assuming
I probably don't know, right,like, and I think there is an
(54:35):
element of humor about it,because I just giggle often
where I'm like.
There's no way I know that.
Speaker 2 (54:41):
And.
Speaker 1 (54:42):
I can start to explain why.
I probably don't, but it reallydoesn't matter, and if I'm
interested then I will find out,you know?
Yeah, for sure.
But I think that's thecharacteristic of having
curiosity and humility and beingwilling to learn is something
(55:03):
that is also not valued ortaught or appreciated as much as
it should be, and it's like,well, no, if I don't know, then
I'm gonna try to do it.
Power, yeah, yeah, yeah, that'sour whole thing.
Yeah, um, are we done?
Do we do the thing?
Speaker 2 (55:22):
I think we did the thing I think we did the thing I
think we, I think we did thething.
Speaker 1 (55:26):
Do you want to do your high, your uh win and loss
for the week uh, okay, oh fuck,there's so many losses um, um,
okay, my win is um, my personalcommitment to not giving a fuck.
That's my win, um, and it mightalso be my loss I see how that
(55:56):
could clearly be your loss aswell.
Oh my gosh, it's gonna restsomewhere between like the
debilitating, like Just completecrumble of the Supreme Court,
because that's probably going tobe there for a while.
Anyway, that's my loss.
(56:19):
I think my win is you know.
Oh, I know what my win is.
I mentioned this yesterday and Ithink it's if we think about
what we leave behind causethat's been on my mind a bit
lately is that I need to do alittle bit more contribution to
my immediate community, and Iused to do that quite often like
(56:40):
a food bank or volunteering.
I did a stint with PlannedParenthood for a while and then
also like uh sending out uhletters and stuff for voter, you
know, voting things, um, tomake sure you know people are
aware of what's going on, um.
But I stopped doing that and Ithink COVID was a big thing.
(57:02):
I did online stuff for PlannedParenthood then.
But I think the win is that Iwas like, okay, I need to
recommit to that because I thinkit's something that I value
personally and uh want to do notin any other sense other than
giving back.
Speaker 2 (57:15):
So that's my win, okay um, my, mine is gonna be
kind of all the same thing too,my win and loss.
But like, the loss is like whenyou see your kids like in pain
or struggling and yeah.
So my roommate number two hasbeen struggling for a long time,
(57:39):
um, since before she gotpregnant, with gallbladder
issues, right and um.
So then she got pregnant so shecouldn't get her gallbladder
out while she was pregnant whichthey could have, but it was
risky, whatever and so shedidn't want to do it and so
she's been literally somiserable miserable thought to
(58:00):
see that.
But Friday she is finallygetting it out and I'm sure that
will create other issues, butthere will not be that pain
anymore.
So that's a win for me, for mom, for good yeah getting to see
her finally getting to take careof pain.
Yeah, yeah for sure, because Imean, honestly, like it sucked.
(58:20):
I saw there was a, she had anepisode and I think she feels
like she's having a heart attackand I was with her and she was
like I mean a short of breath,all these things and.
I said well, go sit down.
She was helping me withsomething.
(58:41):
I said go sit down, drink somewater.
I went to check on her.
She was like shaking from headto toe.
Um, had her whole head in painthrown up, you know, like the
whole nine.
And so I'm like, oh my god,this child is in a lot of pain
and so, anyway, that sucks.
The doctor finally said yes,actually she has golf stones
like the size of golf balls.
(59:04):
So yeah that's pretty, prettylarge for a gallstone.
So anyway, she's finallygetting that taken care of, so
I'm happy about that.
There'll be tomorrow Yay.
Speaker 1 (59:13):
Good, I'm glad.
Speaker 2 (59:15):
Yep, yep, yep.
Speaker 1 (59:17):
All right?
Speaker 2 (59:18):
Anyway, well, we will talk with y'all in two weeks.
Um, we'd love to do anothermailbag episode If you want to
send us a um question, commentor questions.
Um, our email is sisters,declassified at gmailcom.
And?
Um, listen to our podcast.
(59:39):
Our book we're still working on.
If you're an editor out or ifyou're a publisher out there and
want to uh, see our book, letus know, because we are
searching for publishers.
We're sending it out and tryingto find someone that will take
it on.
Speaker 1 (59:56):
Should we try a new sign-off?
Let's see if we can come upwith new sign-offs.
Ready, our new sign-off.
I've been trying to use thismore often, so I'm going to
practice.
Okay, stay fresh cheese bagsmore often, so I'm gonna.
I'm gonna practice.
Okay, stay fresh cheese bags, Ilove it.
Okay, so you gotta come up withone next week.
Speaker 2 (01:00:18):
Okay, next week I will come up with one.
You can finish with that, allright stay fresh cheese bags.
good morning.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Good morning oh, I have.
Um, I think everyone's gonna behappy we're doing a podcast for
tomorrow.
Why?
Because I've had several peoplego.
Okay, we listen to your othertwo podcasts and you just keep
releasing them, because some ofthe people that we listen to are
(00:26):
already all of us, yeah, andalready listen to the
indoctrination.
So when we posted it two weeksin a row, they're like when the
fuck are you gonna do anotherpodcast?
Speaker 1 (00:34):
I'm like okay, we're doing it, we're doing it.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Tomorrow we'll be released um yeah, anyway, yeah,
so I'm cutting my hair off today.
Um, like, how much are yougonna?
go so I think I'm gonna go likehere, okay, and do bangs and do
like, oh my god, baggage, yeah,um, I don't know.
(01:00):
I've got several pictures linedup and so one of my girlfriends
was supposed to cut it onMonday and she canceled on me
and so I was like really bummed.
So then she said, well, I'll doit tomorrow, and which was
Tuesday, because she decided notto come in on Monday.
So then Tuesday, get there andI'm completely booked and I'm
(01:23):
like we have no time, and also Idon't want to be rushed, you
know, through a haircut, becausewhen you do hair sometimes
you're just like fit me in realquick and cut it.
You know what I mean?
I don't want somethingdifferent.
So, anyway, Liz is having amidlife.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
I'm having a midlife Like literally we're both having
midlifes because I'm having amidlife, like literally we're
both having midlifes because I'mI'm not giving a fuck and Liz
is like changing her whole.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
Well, I didn't.
I didn't give a fuck for fouryears.
My hair was the same for fouryears and I had enough one day
and I was like, fuck it, I'mchanging it.
So, to be fair, yeah, I'm inprocess and so, anyway, I don't
know if I'll have time to colorit today, but I'm definitely
(02:12):
cutting, so we'll see anyway,I'm excited.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
How are you?
I'm fine, I just I'm gonna letit all go.
Okay, it's.
It's oddly curly.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
I don't remember my hair being curly like I've done
nothing to it, you know my hairwas straight as a board when I
was young and then, as I've gotolder, it's gotten more and more
wavy.
Yeah, it's weirdly when I washit if I scrunch it, I can have
full-on curls, like it's crazy.
Yeah, um, but I have wave to it.
I I call it a wavy frizz.
I don't have like good curl,it's like a frizz curl, wave, a
(02:50):
wavy frizz.
So it gets annoying as hell,but it's fine, um.
So anyway, I just had to haveit short and I cut my roommate
one's hair this weekend and,bugging me to cut it, she was
like cut my hair, cut my hairshe went pretty short pictures
that are like boy short, like Imean, you know, two inches on
(03:11):
top and like shaved on the sides, and I was like, oh my god.
I was like I don't think you'reready for that, because let me
tell you about, I'm gonna say, ayear.
She begged me to cut her hair.
It was middle of her back andshe wanted it cut to here, you
know, like chin length.
(03:32):
So I cut it there and she hatedit and went on this rampage
center into a downward spiral.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
I don't know why you do that to yourself what the
hell.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
So Randy was like you're not allowed to cut her
hair anymore, like don cut herhair anymore.
So I'm like, okay, I'm notgoing to.
But then since then she's lovedher short hair and so I've, you
know, trimmed it up a few timesand I'm just like you know the
pressure.
And she's like she uses thingslike I don't trust anybody else
to cut my hair, you need to cutit for me.
(04:03):
I'm like you just don't want topay somebody to do it.
Her boyfriend was like pleasedon't cut her hair, please don't
cut her hair.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
And I'm like and she's on the other.
Why didn't he say that I wantit?
Speaker 2 (04:14):
short and I'm like holy crap.
No, I cut it actually slightlylonger than the photo she sent
me, but she loves it.
She's called me every day andsaid how much she loves her hair
.
So I'm happy that that turnedout okay because, my god, um, I
said I will never speak to youagain if you get mad at me.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
Wait why did her boyfriend not want it cut?
Speaker 2 (04:39):
because he had to witness the downward spiral okay
, last time, like I mean she waslosing her mind.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
I mean not even kidding, you know, and I think
people I understand it becauseum roommate number four does the
same thing and but I stoppedthat in high school because she
would be like I should wake upone day and go.
I want to go, blonde, blonde,and I'm like you're half Middle
Eastern and you have horse hair.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
The amount of bleach that it would take for you to go
blonde is going to kill a smallhuman, so yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
And then she would whine because it was all
freaking fried.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
It was oh my God, I remember that, and she would
always want me to.
Was all freaking fried, it wasoh my god, I remember that, and
she would always want me to doit when I would go down there
and I'm like that you're not, Imean, I love, but she won't get
mad at you, I know, but uh, theundertaking of that amount of
hair and that dark of hair to goblonde is such a mountain yes,
(05:45):
well, and I remember at onepoint she did it with her
girlfriend oh, yeah, like on asleepover and I'm like what the
what now?
okay, everybody has to do thateverybody has to do at some
point yeah, they've got to go.
Oh, let me see if I can do itmyself and then realize, oh shit
, who?
Speaker 1 (06:05):
are you?
Yeah, who are you?
You haven't even introducedyourself yet.
Anyway, you haven't evenintroduced yourself yet.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
Okay, I'm Liz and I'm Rachel.
Welcome to the shit show.
Yeah, sisters, declassifiedLife Survival Guide the longest
name for a podcast ever, but welove it I just like sisters
(06:35):
declassified.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
Yeah, sisters declassified is great.
Yeah, it sounds more cia.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
That's kind of what I was going for.
We can totally change it onyour pod, okay.
Okay, like that's the thing wehave the power to change.
It's the thing, we have thepower to change it, we have the
power.
We have the power.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
Absolute power.
What are we talking about?
You have to introduce thisbecause you know more about the
fool's ball than I do.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Oh, my dear God, and I know so we're going to talk
about this in the beginningbecause it's been on my mind and
it just literally pisses me off.
Also, it falls into a categoryof cult and, like this whole,
this whole thing of surroundingreligion and believing something
(07:22):
so much that you spread it likea poison to everyone you know
yes, and you literally arefucking crazy.
Okay, so we, so as you, as mostof the world knows, the kicker
as my stomach turns.
Yes, kansas city did a speechat a um catholic college.
(07:48):
Right, was it catholic?
It was catholic I did not knowthat.
I'm pretty.
I'm 99 sure from what I've readthat it's a catholic college.
Okay, um, he is catholic likestout, catholic like cult
catholic like I think they callit devout, devout not stout.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
I think that's a beer yeah, devout.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
Okay, he's a devout catholic, as he mentions
multiple times.
Oh my god, I literally I couldnot even I mean so.
I kept seeing these memes overthe weekend and I did too, but I
really didn't know who he was,and I'm like okay, and I'm
thinking this has got to betaken out of context, right, so
(08:36):
I go.
Okay, I am going to listen tothis full speech because I
listen to the whole thing, right, oh, I did um, vomiting halfway
through um, and then I pulledup the transcript and I was like
I have to provide quotes fromthis man because this man is
insane.
(08:56):
Um, so and uh, you can believewhatever you want to believe.
Don't get me wrong.
I think that if you believesomething different than me,
that's okay, not in this country?
Speaker 1 (09:11):
It's not.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
But when you are pushing it on to other people,
that's not okay, it's not okay,it's not okay, it's not okay,
okay.
And so this is in an educationsetting, which brings us to our
topic for this week, which we'regoing to talk about education.
Um, because it's been in ourbrains recently, since roommate
number four graduated college,that and other things, but, yes,
(09:35):
a lot of other things going onright.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
So okay, oh, I am going to read some of these
quotes from this I need to waituntil I'm not drinking coffee,
because I'm probably gonna spitit on my computer okay, so in
the first minute I mean not evena minute into his speech, he
(10:01):
talks you have to explain who heis, because nobody no, I don't
know.
I didn't know who he was.
I saw memes and I saw littlethings, but I don't know who he
is.
You got to explain thebackstory like who?
Speaker 2 (10:13):
are we talking about?
What does this guy is a kickerfor the kansas city chiefs.
Okay, so he plays footballabout three minutes a year.
He's a kicker.
Nobody cares, right?
They only care if he makes thepoint, that's when he's
celebrated.
But you know, all the times hedoesn't make a point, they also
(10:34):
care because then he's fucked upthe whole team.
Oh my God, All the way to theend, and then he screws it up.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
The replacements.
Remember the guy that was thekicker on the replacements?
He was the replacements.
Remember the guy that was thekicker on the replacements?
He was wiry.
Do you know what I'm talkingabout?
I love that actor.
Remember that movie is amazinganyway.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
So this guy's a kicker, he, you know, I'm sure
he makes millions of dollars,whatever.
Who cares, right?
Well, um, in the first minuteof his speech that he gave yes
at a graduation he gave to thisreligious college.
I'll just say religious college.
There we go.
It was a religious college.
(11:15):
Um, he talks about howeverybody has missed that.
They miss.
The kids that are graduatingthis year miss their high school
graduation.
Yes, they did so.
Anybody that are graduatingthis year miss their high school
graduation yes, they did so.
Anybody that's graduating fromcollege this year, if they did
it in four years, they misstheir high school graduation
because of COVID.
And he said you know, as agroup, this is this is a quote
(11:37):
you witnessed firsthand how badleaders who don't stay in their
lane can have a negative impacton society.
I'm like wait a minute, whatnow?
Speaker 1 (11:52):
What now?
Speaker 2 (11:55):
What so?
The pandemic is because of badleaders, basically, okay, I'm
like no, everybody in thepandemic was just trying to
figure out how the fuck tosurvive well, were you not?
There, when there was thousandsand thousands and thousands of
people who died from this.
Yeah, bodies piling up in themorgues I'm like, oh, okay, how
(12:16):
would you have handled that, mrfucker?
Like, oh my god, what the hell?
Okay, um says our own nation isled by a man who publicly and
proudly proclaims his Catholicfaith but, at the same time, is
delusional enough to make thesign of the cross during a
(12:38):
pro-abortion rally.
What?
Speaker 1 (12:44):
What is he talking about right now?
Speaker 2 (12:47):
I know he literally makes no sense.
Like it's so funny those linesdid not vocal.
He says he's been so vocal inhis support for the murder of
innocent babies that I'm sure tomany people it appears you can
both be catholic and pro-choice.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
This is him just like , pushing like is he aware that,
like 80 of the country, is forlike choice, pro-choice?
Speaker 2 (13:17):
yeah, yeah, no, it's.
It's absolutely crazy.
He was literally just likebashing the president.
I mean, it was like a presidentbashing ceremony.
Um, from the man behind thecovid lockdowns to the people
pushing dangerous genderideologies onto the youth of
(13:38):
america are you kidding me?
Um, they all have a glaringthing in common they're catholic
.
This is an important reminderthat being catholic alone
doesn't cut it, so you need tobe a devout catholic.
Don't just say you're catholic,no, a stout catholic a stout
catholic.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
You need to be a stout catholic I love it, I love
it.
I am all for the rights ofevery stout Catholic like I
think you should believe.
Whatever the fuck you want tobelieve, oh my god, it's not a
one thing fits all.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
No for anything you know, what I mean.
And, um, oh my god, I know a lotof good saying that.
Him saying that just makes methink well and know that the
catholic church can be a cult.
Okay, so it can be.
It can be.
Yes, I think there's manypeople in the catholic religion
that practice that are not, youknow, cult-like.
(14:36):
Um, I think that the rituals ofthe catholic church, in my
opinion, are a little cult-like,but it is.
It's not a one-size-fits-all,and I have talked to many people
who are Catholic.
I have friends who are Catholic, lots of people that are
Catholic, and everybody is alittle bit different.
(14:56):
But he's stating that if youdon't believe the way he
believes, you're not a Catholic.
So I thought that washysterical.
But here's where the speechstarts to get good.
Okay, for the ladies presenttoday.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
Wait, who's wait?
Are there ladies present today?
Speaker 2 (15:16):
Oh, yeah, because there's women and men graduating
from this college.
Okay, congratulations on anamazing accomplishment.
You should be proud of all thatyou have achieved to this part
in your young lives.
I want to speak directly to youbriefly, because I think it is
you, the women, who have had themost diabolical lies told to
(15:40):
you.
Okay, what?
Well, let's just get into it.
How many of you this is all inthe same paragraph.
Okay, I literally copied fromthe transcript.
Okay, how many of you aresitting here now about to cross
this stage and are thinkingabout all the promotions and
(16:02):
titles you are going to get inyour career?
Some of you may go on to leadsuccessful careers in the world,
but I would venture to guessthat the majority of you are
most excited about your marriageand the children you will bring
into this world.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
Wow, is it a college that promotes marriage like I
mean?
I don't know so if it's, ifit's actually a catholic college
, which I probably should havedone a little more research to
find out exactly but I'll lookit up while you're talking, okay
I can tell you that mybeautiful wife, isabella, would
be the first to say that herlife truly started when she
began living her vocation as awife and a mother.
(16:58):
Oh my God, nothing wrong withthat if that's what you want to
do, but, dear God, he'sbasically putting his wife in
this box.
Um, I'm on the stage today andI'm able to be the man I am
because I have a wife who learnsher vocation.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
oh wait, wait, wait, it's okay.
It's benedictine College, aCatholic, private, liberal art
school, so it is Catholic, butit's a private.
Well, if it's Catholic, it'sprivate, but it's a liberal art
school.
So he's talking to a bunch ofteachers oh, my God, okay, fuck,
isn't that crazy?
Uh-huh?
(17:39):
Well, it also negates anythingthat happened in someone's life
before they have a child, whichis really effed up, yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
Yeah, oh, I have a wife who learns her vocation.
I'm beyond blessed with themany talents God has given me
made possible because a girl Imet in band class back in middle
school would convert to thefaith, become my wife and
(18:08):
embrace the most important titleof all homemaker.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
Okay, Now I we gotta break that down, cause I don't
mind.
If you like, if that's what youwant to do, oh for sure.
Like there are women, you,that's what they want to do and
and that is fine and I supportthat 100, because I think you
know what that is amazing and Iknow a ton of really like
(18:35):
fucking phenomenal people thatare really good at it, yes, yes,
and I'm like that's, if that'syour jam, you freaking, do you
man?
sorry, I oh no um, but butbutker, but why would you shove
it on people?
Speaker 2 (18:56):
well, and basically he's telling all of these
students their that if theydon't do nothing.
Yes, their degrees mean nothingif they're female, because
their job is to be a wife athome.
As I think women can change theworld, why do you have to be
isolated to this one thing?
Speaker 1 (19:14):
no, well, the, the there's so problematic in so
many ways?
Only because it's like who thefuck brought you here?
Right, the?
Why would you disrespect womenby just relegating them to?
Reproduction right, that's.
That's.
I absolutely 100 percentrespect anyone who wants to do
(19:38):
that, but if you reduce womendown to that, that's what he's
doing.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
Yes, that is his speech.
It's not a.
You choose to do this.
This is a.
This is your duty, Right?
Who cares about your fuckingdegree that you just fucking
spent four years earning?
Speaker 1 (19:58):
You should be a wife and mother or the effort that
was put into that Right.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Yeah, he's negating all of their hard work.
Basically, that's that's what Iget from it.
I'm like no, no, no, no, um.
I mean there's so many morequotes, but he said at one point
no matter how you spin it,there's nothing natural about
catholic birth control I usethat I use that line statement
(20:29):
in his speech to a group ofcollege okay, I use that line
all the time when I'm teachingclients, right?
Speaker 1 (20:37):
so I'll say squeeze your legs together like catholic
birth control.
I'm not kidding.
You think I'm joking.
I'm.
I say it all the time becauseit's funny, funny.
Well, the Catholic Church didnot approve of using birth
control.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
No.
But they also believe innatural family planning, which
is like no birth control?
No, it's have sex only aroundthe days where you're not
fertile.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
well, but they've updated a lot of their um, oh,
absolutely things in the mostrecent past to like, stay
current, uh, as opposed to thesupreme court, who's taken us
back 200 years and basicallyprecedent is for suckers um he
closed it.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
This is his closing to his speech.
Never be afraid to profess theone holy catholic and
apostolistic church.
Apostolic.
This is the church that jesuschrist established, through
which we receive sanctifyinggrace okay, well, good, good on
him.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
I mean, that is, uh, he's a good catholic boy.
The problem of it, or theproblem with it absolutely is
not that he's catholic or not,that he's right speaking at a
graduation ceremony.
It's that he's using a platformto negate the accomplishments
(22:10):
of the people he's speaking tooh yeah, specifically women and
to negate them or downgradetheir accomplishments to simple
reproduction, and that'sproblematic yes, it's so
problematic.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
Anyway, that was my um speaking of last week because
it's been on my brain and I'mlike okay.
So I was like I finally have towatch this speech because I'm
just like appalled that allthese means, because I like to
give people the benefit of thedoubt.
Yeah, I'm like maybe he wasthanking his wife for, like,
(22:43):
putting her career aside anddoing this because he wanted
somebody there to raise his kids, and he didn't career aside and
doing this because he wantedsomebody there to raise his kids
and he didn't want a strangerto raise them.
He wanted nice coffee.
Do you need some coffee, liz?
I have some.
Thank you.
Um, but I was like, you know,maybe it was taken out of
context, maybe it was this.
So then I was like, okay, well,I have to read this, because if
(23:04):
I don't listen to the entirething, I'm yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
I want to know the content.
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I want to be a fair, a fairjudgment here, because I was
judging harsh.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
Um, and then I heard, was the little clips to like
little, and I didn't, I didn't,I didn't even care that much, or
enough to to go, you know.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
I mean this problem is is that he has such a big
platform and he's pushing thisagenda and the chiefs are
supporting it like they.
Literally I I don't know if itwas the owner or the coach that
got behind him and said wesupport him 100 and I'm like,
really like, have you seenthere's?
A petition for him to be fired.
(23:46):
There's all these petitions andI don't think someone should be
fired I don't, I don't agreewith that, but I also don't
think that.
Um, I feel like him.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
Putting down people's accomplishments is really
fucked up I really um, that's,that's my disagreement is not
from any of you know any of thethings, except for, yeah, like
kind of really making it a smallaccomplishment.
But we had that problem in, uh,arizona also, so I'm like, it's
(24:20):
not that, it's not not fresh onour brains, yeah with like
negating a big, huge deal, thatyou know.
And it wasn't religiously, youknow, even directed in that
context, it was just trivial,trivialized in like all the
worst ways, and that's sort ofwhat he did in the same way,
(24:44):
just in a religious, um,reproduction sort of way, like
putting putting everything in acup of oh okay, your one job is
just reproduction and that's allyou care about.
And that's not true foreveryone and nor should it be.
Um, ours, ours was roommatenumber four, graduating from
(25:06):
college, which so, yes, we justwent to watch that proud of and
very proud, very proud singlemother who didn't really get
much help other than the loveand support of her family.
Um, that, uh, it was so cattlecall, I mean okay, for for all
(25:29):
intents and purposes it was astate school, right?
Um, it's also, uh, a very highranked business school and
that's what my uh roommatenumber four went to.
So I didn't have any delusionsof grandeur going into it, that
it wasn't going to be you knowtoo many people, um, and that it
(25:52):
was right, cause they didn'teven do tickets.
They had 36 graduationceremonies, um, throughout the
whole entirety of the school.
Their graduation program was 448pages long.
I'm not.
There's 20 700 graduates.
So if I just simply did themath of what I paid me, not her
(26:16):
I paid for her to go to schoolby for over a four-year time
period for 20 700 graduates, andthat's low-balling it, by the
way, that's right, probably lowbecause she got part.
I didn't even count herscholarships.
I did not count her scholarship,um, I just put in the money
that I paid into it, which isabout average, because the
(26:38):
scholarship only took care ofher out-of-state tuition, which
is also bullshit.
Um, but it was about three.
It was like 3.9 trilliondollars that's insane.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
Let's talk.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
Schools are big business hello, it's not
education, it's business.
Yes, oh my god, and you knowwhat good.
On the private catholic schools, because you know what?
That's where my roommate numberfour got her best education
years, and I won't, I won't likeback down from that, because
(27:15):
they did teach her good reading,they did teach her good writing
, they did teach her goodsportsmanship.
Right, they did teach quite afew good things.
So I'm not bagging on any like,but private schools and public
schools are both becoming just areally, really poor business
model, because they're notgetting that.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
Private schools, like people think, if it's a private
school, it's a good school, andthat is not necessarily true,
because private schools havedifferent regulations.
Also, they have no regulationsin a lot of states, um, like,
(27:59):
for instance, our schools thatwe went to growing up our school
singular right, right.
Um, to growing up our schoolsingular right, right um, zero,
zero, zero accountability.
Um, if we weren't intelligenton our own, we we would be
totally stupid because oureducation sucked.
(28:22):
I mean, I will say the firstprobably three years of school
were pretty good.
We had good teachers whoactually cared and actually
taught us some important things.
My mom taught me stuff, um, mymom gave me an education before
I even went to school, but if wewere just average kids, we
(28:45):
would not have got any kind ofor type of education.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
So I disagree with you only because no
accountability.
Well, I disagree with you onone of these things.
So what I disagree with you onis that Our primary education
meaning like kindergartenthrough fourth, fifth, sixth
(29:11):
grade, right however, I don'tfeel like fourth, fifth and
sixth was good for me, I think.
Okay, third grade, yeah, um thatpersonal but we were personal,
personal opinions aside andteacher specific aside that we
were taught how to read, how towrite right and and, and basic
(29:32):
math skills.
Okay, okay, if you can't read,you can't learn right, period,
okay, so, so, in terms of ourprimary education meaning
teaching us how to read, writeand add or subtract or multiply
(29:52):
we had a pretty decent educationbeyond that, yeah, you're right
, you're absolutely right.
Nothing else like socialsciences, history, right, any of
the government, like a lot of,yeah, science, science wasn't a
thing.
Um, yeah, um.
So, yes, you're right in theother aspects, but in the things
(30:16):
that matter, meaning, if youknow how to read, you can
educate yourself.
I, I just pulled up this bookdon't say the name of it, but um
, that okay, okay, um, and alsoa similar experience to ours, um
, in terms, but that was likeyeah, I think lds, but but like
(30:37):
freakishly weird lds and alsoagain taught themselves how to
read, write and do the thing,and that made all the difference
in the world.
Because then, once you learnhow to read this is why a lot of
the like extremists want to banbooks because once you learn,
(30:58):
then you know better and you dobetter um, but that's reading.
So if you can't read um, uh, myboyfriend teaches, uh, special
ed, right.
Uh, um, public high schoolright In Southern California and
you know their biggest deal islike there.
(31:19):
So they have kids that are incertificate track and kids that
are on like a graduation diplomatrack, right in special ed.
So, but the kids have to thenask for.
So let's say you can't read,right.
Let's say you can't read likehe.
His one student was at a likesecond or third grade level and
(31:44):
is now currently a junior.
Okay, still can't read beyond asecond or third grade level.
But the parents want the kid tograduate and become a pilot.
Meanwhile they won't even lethim drive or cook his own meals
because there's just not thecompetency there to do that.
(32:08):
But he can't be on a secondgrade level, so, but the parents
want him to get a diploma so hecan go into a college, right,
and do all this stuff.
The parents want him to do that.
He's feeling drastically right,right, here's the fucked up
part of it.
So there are parents that have.
(32:29):
So basically, they push theirkid.
They're like no, we don't wantthem to do a certificate, we
want them to do a diplomaprogram.
The the school cannot, publicschool cannot intervene and go
hey, no, no, no, we want you togo on certificate.
If the parents are pushing fora diploma, right.
So then it puts pressure on theteachers to then pass the kid,
(32:55):
right.
So they're like, ok, even if wegive you like D's and C's right
, you barely pass, like by theskin of your teeth.
Then they've had parents comeback and sue the school district
for quote-unquote passing theirkid when they weren't prepared
for life.
Yeah, and I'm like I'm sorry,what's not no right, that is so
(33:22):
fucked up in so many ways.
So basically they're saying, no, you need to pass our kid, you
need to pass our kid.
That puts pressure on this.
So at what point is like actualeducation happening?
Speaker 2 (33:34):
never, like they're not learning, they're learning
that well, I do feel like publicschool, which I read this thing
this morning for the state ofTexas and I want to say 19
billion dollars is spent in thestate of Texas.
(33:58):
I better get that right.
Let me look.
I don't want to misquote 19billion.
Hang on.
90 million, okay, not billionmillion $90 million per year is
(34:18):
paid to write, distribute andgrade star tests.
Okay, I'm like, can you imaginewhat $90 million would do for
schools I mean, they weren'ttesting If they weren't doing
(34:39):
that testing and just did theregular?
Like I don't know that the startesting helps at all, except I
remember when my kids were doingit helps at all, except I
remember when my kids were doingit, um it, all it did was the
teachers were stressed about thekids doing it, because if they
don't pass then it's bad on theteacher, and so they literally
(35:02):
stress my kids out.
I mean physical, emotionalstress that the kids went
through for these tests becausethe teachers put so much
pressure on them.
Like you need to make sure youeat, you need to make sure you
do this, you need to make sureyou do this, you need to make
sure you do this because youhave to take this test, and blah
, blah, blah.
Um, I actually had a friend andthis is hysterical that you had
(35:24):
a friend no, the story about myfriend's kid.
So he got pissed.
He was like in second or thirdgrade and I don't remember when
they were taking the test it'sprobably second grade anyway and
he was like I'm just gonnarefuse to take the test, that's
a choice.
(35:44):
He literally sat there everyday doing nothing, yeah, and did
not take the test, did notwrite anything.
When it was time to turn it in,he turned it in empty and she
got a call from the principalwhat the heck?
And he said she stressed me outso much that I didn't want to
(36:06):
do it.
Yep, and so he didn't do it, butbut I'm like, here's my thought
on the whole situation was likewhy which I think it's so funny
of this kid to do that I thinkit's great, it's fantastic, it's
called civil disobedience I wasreally pissed, but also I was
like this is awesome, but howdid the teacher not notice that
(36:30):
for five days he was sittingthere doing nothing like, didn't
have a pen in hand, didn't likewrite?
Speaker 1 (36:37):
well, that's just because amazing yeah, but I mean
in general, it's it.
Testing is not educating, it'stesting it's testing.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
It's not teaching them anything.
It's supposed to show whatyou've learned.
You know that you know whatyou've learned, but it's the
same with like okay.
So, for instance, in my fieldof barbering, cosmetology,
there's people who graduate, goand take the board test and pass
and go on to do hair and suckat it because they happen all
(37:15):
the time what you need to passthe test.
Yes, and so I feel like that'sexactly what they're doing, you
know, in schools and they'reunderfunded and under under
everything.
Speaker 1 (37:29):
Yes, understaffed under overworked underpaid, all
the things I mean.
And I I I say this fromexperience, like personal
experience, like I know, becauseI teach in public education and
so does my uh boyfriend, andit's a shit show.
I know this, um, and theproblem is not the teachers, the
(37:50):
problem is not the students,it's administration, it's
funding, and all they're worriedabout is they don't get funding
to pay to educate quote unquoteeducate or test kids if they
don't follow the requirementsfor their funding.
This is the problem is becausethey're not teaching for
(38:13):
understanding and learning,they're teaching for funding, so
they can stay open.
And I'm like, why, why is that?
Why do they have to jumpthrough all these hoops to get
money?
We should be, as a society, allinvested in the fact that if
our kids are fucking smarter andthey understand and they learn,
we're going to go further inlife.
(38:33):
That we will all succeed, but no, that's not it.
So there's been all thesestupid requirements put in place
that require them to do A, b, c, d, E, f and G, rather than
actually teach the kids how tofucking live life and be a human
and a good person, a member ofsociety.
(38:54):
That's like contributing andnot just a reproductive machine,
like a fucking battery from thematrix.
Right, right, which is what?
Uh, what's his face's speechwas?
Oh my god, watching you do thison camera is hilarious, because
it looks like you're doing itbackwards.
Speaker 2 (39:16):
Oh my god, sorry, liz is putting on her.
Frida Kahlo, I'm putting on mymakeup while we're doing the
podcast, because I go to workshortly after we're done.
I thought well, I can talk anddo makeup at the same time.
Speaker 1 (39:31):
Oh, you can.
I know, know, I watched you doit um let me see you do it okay.
Speaker 2 (39:38):
So, like when we were talking about private education
versus public education, I feellike not all schools are equal,
absolutely in public and thisis all blanket generalization.
Yes, yes, um, you know they'renot all equal.
There are public schools thatare fantastic.
My kids went to one of the mostamazing public schools when we
(40:02):
lived in california, um, in lakeelsinore amazing education.
We moved to new mexico fromthere and my kids were a year
and a half at least behind, likethey were like why are we doing
this again?
this is stupid you mean aheadyeah, they were so so far ahead.
(40:22):
Yes, the school in new mexicowas a year and a half behind.
Yes, the school in california,um, and everyone says, oh,
california schools are shit, notall schools.
Some schools are great, someare bad.
Same with new mexico, the onemy kids went to shit.
But there's also probably somereally good schools there, you
know.
So it just you know, it dependson.
Speaker 1 (40:44):
It absolutely depends on funding yep teachers.
Speaker 2 (40:48):
You know there's a million things it depends on,
but the system is definitelybroken.
Well, it's fair go ahead.
Speaker 1 (40:55):
It's not across the board in any way.
Shape or form, and this is partof our problem is everyone gets
their b in a bonnet about oneissue and then fucks up the
entire program for everyone.
So you know it.
It's not federalized in thatsense.
Where there's there's statestandards, there's federal
standards but you know every,all of those almost in some
(41:19):
sense get in the way of actuallylearning yeah, yes, yes, um, do
you want to share?
Speaker 2 (41:28):
share how you were?
We were talking about this andthen you walked away, and so I
started talking about somethingelse, about her graduation and
how the president came across.
Speaker 1 (41:39):
So, yeah, and again it's like well, this is supposed
to be, it is high rankedbusiness program.
That roommate for attendedhigh-ranked business program
that roommate four attended, andit was for that reason, um of
the graduating ceremony that shewent to.
So again, there were 36ceremonies, um over that
(42:00):
graduation season at this oneschool, arizona state university
, and um, it is a state school,obviously public education, but
no, so the president of theentire university made a speech,
(42:32):
uh, over video, as if it werecovid, and the speech of which
was about two and a half minutesof the most unhinged,
completely chaotic andcacophonous bullshit that I've
ever heard in my entire lifemade zero sense.
Know how he actually is thepresident of the university and
can actually speak in that tone,because it was one non sequitur
(42:56):
sentence to the next.
It made absolutely no sense.
It was as if he just walked outof the bathroom from taking a
giant load of crap and then talkto the camera off the cuff for
about two and a half minutes andit made no sense whatsoever.
It didn't really encourage thegraduates in any way.
It didn't uh in any way shapeor form uh, make uh a
(43:20):
commemoration of theiraccomplishments, um, but rather
just went off the cuff on justcompletely nonsense for two and
a half it made no sense,absolutely none.
Speaker 2 (43:33):
I was sitting there going what, what the heck is
everybody was.
Speaker 1 (43:36):
Nobody knew what was happening.
Why is he even?
Speaker 2 (43:39):
talking, and why was that even shown?
I guarantee you it'spre-recorded.
Speaker 1 (43:42):
Yes, um which makes no sense either they probably
right.
Speaker 2 (43:47):
If it's pre-recorded, you would think at least, if
you're that incompetent ofspeaking, that they would write
a speech for you that you couldread.
That made sense.
I mean, he could have passed.
The student made zero sense.
It was the dumbest thing I'veever heard.
I was like what is going onhere?
Speaker 1 (44:02):
so, anyway, in terms of the budget of a small country
for 10 years, um, right, it wasreally, really offensive
because it basically underminedaccomplishments of 750 graduates
at this particular ceremony.
Um, and you know, it justseemed very, um, irreverent for
(44:26):
the circumstances, um, andparticularly given the fact that
you know, uh, there was a lotof hard work that went into this
particular, you know, graduateseducation two years were online
because of covid you know theydidn't have a high school
graduation.
Speaker 2 (44:45):
This is their first experience with a graduation
actual, yeah, ceremony that theywalk like a ceremony where they
get to walk.
Speaker 1 (44:52):
It's a ritual, it's a commemoration.
That's what it's meant to be,yep, and um, it was just
horrifying.
Speaker 2 (45:00):
Yeah, you sent an email to the school, right, I
did, I did and I got a responseback.
Speaker 1 (45:08):
Should I read oh you did?
yes, let's read it.
Okay, let's see.
Did I delete it?
Because I was just like whatthe fuck ever?
I really don't care.
Um, let's see, let's go to mysent emails, um, so I sent it to
the, the president of theuniversity, and then I sent it
(45:31):
to, like, the dean of the schoolthat she went to, um anyway,
and yeah, I can read theresponse.
Well, actually I don't think Isaved it, but anyway, um, I here
, I'll read it quickly.
I'm a parent, a single mother,and also an educator, who
attended my daughter'sundergraduate commencement
(45:52):
ceremony this past Wednesdayevening.
I came in from out of state, asdid my mother's sister, niece,
great niece, my student's fatherand also her aunt from his
family.
I was shocked by the poorquality of the commencement
ceremony.
My blood, sweat and tears havegone into most of my life
raising my daughtersingle-handedly, with little
support from anyone.
I expected more.
I believe that I've paid formore.
I feel ashamed that this iswhat my hard-earned dollar
(46:12):
produced.
I have had limited but highlyconcerning interactions with
several of the upper-levelfaculty from your school during
my daughter's time as a student.
I left each one thinking thatthere is much to be desired.
The fact that the president ofneither the university nor the
business school bothered to showup for this annual event is
appalling.
The fact that you couldn'tbother to bring in a speaker to
given the slightest bit of lawand encouragement is insulting.
(46:34):
The speeches that were givenwere meaningless, empty and
simply unhinged in light of theimportance of the moment.
I'm deeply disappointed andcertainly disillusioned with
your programs.
I've worked for the last 22years for this moment and you
simply deflated and devalued allof that with your trifle,
offensive and flippantproduction without any hint of
gravity.
Gratitude, rachel which wasexcellent worded email my god,
(47:01):
well, but it was also fittingbecause that's basically what
they gave us.
They would just give us liketrash and I'm like, yeah, well,
let me hand that right back toyou, because that was appalling.
Yes, anyway, I think the um,actually the guy that I've
talked to in, uh, years pastagain, I was like this isn't
just coming from the ceremonylike I've had interactions with
(47:23):
some of these people and they'veall come away like that, like,
like we don't care, it doesn'tmatter, and your students the
problem, not us.
That's always how it came offand I was like I'm sorry, you
know what, you should take someof your own medicine, because
that was complete trash.
And, yeah, you, you basicallydevalued and cheapened
(47:46):
everything that like went intothe moment.
Thanks for that.
Devalued and cheapenedeverything that like went into
the moment thanks for that,thanks for nothing thanks for
that, yes anyway.
Speaker 2 (47:55):
Um so well, I wish I had.
I wish you had the response.
I would love to hear it I'msure it was a uh, total
formatted response wasn't no, um, I think in general I'll.
Speaker 1 (48:08):
Just I can't find it right now because I think I did
delete it.
I was just like whatever.
Um, let's see if I can pull uphis.
Uh, yeah, my computer doesn'twant to work for me today,
that's fine um, but anyway ingeneral, the overall response
was I'm sorry, you felt it wasmeaningless.
Speaker 2 (48:24):
I tried my best and I was like okay if that's your
best yeah, perhaps we made thewrong choice entirely whatever,
um, anyway, I mean I was, I wasphysically laughing during
everyone was like.
Speaker 1 (48:44):
Our whole entire row was.
Speaker 2 (48:46):
I mean, we're like, what is he even saying?
Like it was so laughable, yeahum it's like what is going on?
Nonsense nonsense, it's allnonsense nonsense.
Speaker 1 (48:58):
What's it all mean, I tell?
Speaker 2 (48:59):
you.
Yeah, it's all mean bizarro,anyway, um, it is what it is.
But she graduated, she did thething, you did the thing, it was
very, it was a very good moment, um, so, anyway, so, uh, I
don't know what else we need tosay.
There's more things we need tosay.
Speaker 1 (49:21):
I'm certain I go to bed every night with that on my
mind.
I'm certain there's more things.
Yeah, yeah, no, we really don'tneed to say anything more.
It's kind of like leaves youspeechless, how, yeah, and, and
(49:44):
I think that in general, we getoverwhelmed with like the ins
and outs and the nuts and boltsof like people doing bullshit,
stuff like that in terms ofeducation.
But in general, it's like as asociety, we don't really value
education, and that's apparent,um, because of the way that like
things like this go down, um,and it's not like a a dagger in
(50:06):
the heart of like whether it'spublic, whether it's private,
whether it's funding, but I'mlike, well, in general, we just
don't value it.
So the fact that that fact isobvious and there's not a whole
lot to say about it other thanlike, if we educate everyone,
then we all benefit from that.
You know, I don't see theproblem there, but we're really
not educating, you know.
Speaker 2 (50:27):
Yeah, it's sad, yeah sad, but true, that is sad.
It is sad, um, not, I mean,education is important.
I think everybody has aresponsibility to educate
(50:51):
themselves a little bit, um, youknow what I mean.
Like, I don't think that it's onsomebody else to educate you,
um, especially when you're grownum people and y'all grown all
the time and I I'm guilty of thesame thing and I stop myself
and I'm like hang on, I can'tspeak on that because I'm not
(51:11):
100 percent, yeah, certain onsomething.
But if I'm sure of something,you can goddamn guarantee it
that I have, like, looked like Ihave.
Speaker 1 (51:22):
I have my opinions because I've educated myself on
the subject well, exhibit a um,sisters do classified um, and,
of course, there is a lot ofopinion, yeah, and I think I
think, speaking of numbers,numbers having having.
Speaker 2 (51:44):
I guess maybe I'm saying beliefs, like if you have
strong beliefs in something andyou try and relay those, you
need to be educated on why youbelieve that and you know things
like that Come to it from aplace of honest investigation
about the topic and not justshare, but that's.
(52:06):
That's the Internet culture,though, share, but that's that's
the internet culture, thoughwell, I think our everybody's an
expert now are definitelythings that we feel strongly
about.
Love the hair flip, hair flip.
I'm gonna have the Bieberpretty soon.
Speaker 1 (52:22):
I don't know what that is, but okay, oh my god,
okay, you're not a hair person.
Speaker 2 (52:27):
So when Justin Bieber was at the height of his like
young career, um, when he wasyoung and everybody would come
in and say I want the bieberwhat?
Speaker 1 (52:39):
does that mean like?
Speaker 2 (52:39):
the long bangs where he flipped it.
Speaker 1 (52:42):
Oh um anyway uh, I haven't paid attention enough.
Speaker 2 (52:46):
We we are strong in our beliefs because when we grew
up, we were taught one thingand only one thing, and so we
had to.
It comes from a force to cometo figure out what we believe
and learn about a lot of thingsthat we never had before.
Speaker 1 (53:10):
Yeah Well, and just to function in society, yeah,
just to be a person and live inthe world, um and, and that is
honestly something like, even tothis day, like I'm not sure of
a lot of things.
So I'll be like I'm not surewhy I don't know this, but I'll
investigate it and try andfigure out why I don't know it.
And then like, but I'm notreally putting myself against
(53:31):
anyone other than myself becauseI'm not sure why I don't know
it, like sure, and I blamereally no one for that, because
it's like well, if you don'tknow it, it's because you didn't
learn it yet, so there's no oneto blame.
There's only things to learn orfigure out or investigate or
discover on your own.
It's not as though you knowthere's a things to learn or
figure out or investigate ordiscover on your own.
It's not as though, you know,there's a huge load of blame on
(53:54):
any one thing person, ideology,belief system, whatever.
It's.
Just well, the information isout there, at least at this
moment in time it is.
That said, you know you have todo your best not to be an
asshole about it and and pretendthat you know something more
(54:14):
than you don't, because, in allhonesty, I assume that I don't
in most instances yeah, I think,and I think, if you, come from
that place of assuming Iprobably don't know, of assuming
I probably don't know, right,like, and I think there is an
(54:35):
element of humor about it,because I just giggle often
where I'm like.
There's no way I know that.
Speaker 2 (54:41):
And.
Speaker 1 (54:42):
I can start to explain why.
I probably don't, but it reallydoesn't matter, and if I'm
interested then I will find out,you know?
Yeah, for sure.
But I think that's thecharacteristic of having
curiosity and humility and beingwilling to learn is something
(55:03):
that is also not valued ortaught or appreciated as much as
it should be, and it's like,well, no, if I don't know, then
I'm gonna try to do it.
Power, yeah, yeah, yeah, that'sour whole thing.
Yeah, um, are we done?
Do we do the thing?
Speaker 2 (55:22):
I think we did the thing I think we did the thing I
think we, I think we did thething.
Speaker 1 (55:26):
Do you want to do your high, your uh win and loss
for the week uh, okay, oh fuck,there's so many losses um, um,
okay, my win is um, my personalcommitment to not giving a fuck.
That's my win, um, and it mightalso be my loss I see how that
(55:56):
could clearly be your loss aswell.
Oh my gosh, it's gonna restsomewhere between like the
debilitating, like Just completecrumble of the Supreme Court,
because that's probably going tobe there for a while.
Anyway, that's my loss.
(56:19):
I think my win is you know.
Oh, I know what my win is.
I mentioned this yesterday and Ithink it's if we think about
what we leave behind causethat's been on my mind a bit
lately is that I need to do alittle bit more contribution to
my immediate community, and Iused to do that quite often like
(56:40):
a food bank or volunteering.
I did a stint with PlannedParenthood for a while and then
also like uh sending out uhletters and stuff for voter, you
know, voting things, um, tomake sure you know people are
aware of what's going on, um.
But I stopped doing that and Ithink COVID was a big thing.
(57:02):
I did online stuff for PlannedParenthood then.
But I think the win is that Iwas like, okay, I need to
recommit to that because I thinkit's something that I value
personally and uh want to do notin any other sense other than
giving back.
Speaker 2 (57:15):
So that's my win, okay um, my, mine is gonna be
kind of all the same thing too,my win and loss.
But like, the loss is like whenyou see your kids like in pain
or struggling and yeah.
So my roommate number two hasbeen struggling for a long time,
(57:39):
um, since before she gotpregnant, with gallbladder
issues, right and um.
So then she got pregnant so shecouldn't get her gallbladder
out while she was pregnant whichthey could have, but it was
risky, whatever and so shedidn't want to do it and so
she's been literally somiserable miserable thought to
(58:00):
see that.
But Friday she is finallygetting it out and I'm sure that
will create other issues, butthere will not be that pain
anymore.
So that's a win for me, for mom, for good yeah getting to see
her finally getting to take careof pain.
Yeah, yeah for sure, because Imean, honestly, like it sucked.
(58:20):
I saw there was a, she had anepisode and I think she feels
like she's having a heart attackand I was with her and she was
like I mean a short of breath,all these things and.
I said well, go sit down.
She was helping me withsomething.
(58:41):
I said go sit down, drink somewater.
I went to check on her.
She was like shaking from headto toe.
Um, had her whole head in painthrown up, you know, like the
whole nine.
And so I'm like, oh my god,this child is in a lot of pain
and so, anyway, that sucks.
The doctor finally said yes,actually she has golf stones
like the size of golf balls.
(59:04):
So yeah that's pretty, prettylarge for a gallstone.
So anyway, she's finallygetting that taken care of, so
I'm happy about that.
There'll be tomorrow Yay.
Speaker 1 (59:13):
Good, I'm glad.
Speaker 2 (59:15):
Yep, yep, yep.
Speaker 1 (59:17):
All right?
Speaker 2 (59:18):
Anyway, well, we will talk with y'all in two weeks.
Um, we'd love to do anothermailbag episode If you want to
send us a um question, commentor questions.
Um, our email is sisters,declassified at gmailcom.
And?
Um, listen to our podcast.
(59:39):
Our book we're still working on.
If you're an editor out or ifyou're a publisher out there and
want to uh, see our book, letus know, because we are
searching for publishers.
We're sending it out and tryingto find someone that will take
it on.
Speaker 1 (59:56):
Should we try a new sign-off?
Let's see if we can come upwith new sign-offs.
Ready, our new sign-off.
I've been trying to use thismore often, so I'm going to
practice.
Okay, stay fresh cheese bagsmore often, so I'm gonna.
I'm gonna practice.
Okay, stay fresh cheese bags, Ilove it.
Okay, so you gotta come up withone next week.
Speaker 2 (01:00:18):
Okay, next week I will come up with one.
You can finish with that, allright stay fresh cheese bags.
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