October 8, 2024 • 29 mins
In this episode, we explore the interesting experience of growing up as Millennials, witnessing the shift from a tech-free childhood to a world where everything is accessible through smartphones. We'll reminisce about the days of rushing to answer house phones without caller ID, the freedom of leaving home without being reachable, and doing long hours of traveling without an electronic device. Listen in as we reflect on how life has changed, comparing our unplugged upbringing to the hyper-connected reality our kids face today.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I gotta get you out of my system.
I gotta get you off of my mind.
But how do I move on when noone compares?
They only keep me occupied.
I try to shake them off sodesperately but you pull them
(00:24):
tighter, string me along.
It's sad, but I'm so gone.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
And how do you do it Live with yourself?
Do you guys remember when westarted having emails and
internet, or when we startedusing them?
Speaker 3 (00:43):
I don't remember email, but but yes, when we
first started doing internetresearch at school, I remember
how big and bulky the computerscreens were, the monitors, no
images.
Do you remember that?
Um, no, and school media centerwas the first time I at least
that's when I remember you usedinternet then, but it was all
(01:05):
green writing, and then themonitors were like, so bulky you
know, it was protruding fromthe wall, basically Like it was
just.
And then I didn't know what Iwas doing, though, like I didn't
know how to do the research.
Very well, I would type things,but I'm like I don't know how
to utilize this thing.
(01:25):
I remember thinking that becausethat was something we could use
to do research, but I didn'tfeel that it was very effective
because I don't.
Maybe I wasn't doing it right,but it was like lame.
So I would actually use anactual book instead, where I
could see images and understandit better, where I could see
images and understand it better.
(01:45):
That was, I want to say.
Maybe middle school is when Ifirst started using it at the
library, school, library or highschool.
What about you guys?
You remember?
Speaker 2 (01:57):
Well, I had email address when I entered the
university.
That was the first time I knowwe had access at home.
You know those dial-ups, but Iwas not interested or I wasn't
informed, or I'm not sureexactly.
It was something that was newto me.
Right, I finally had an emailaddress.
(02:20):
The first email address I hadwas definitely at the university
.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
Ohio State.
Really I wonder if that was myfirst one, maybe.
I mean I feel like internet, Imean email, but you're two years
younger, so I'm not sure ifthat's the time.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
That's when the AOL messenger came out.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
Yes, messenger was easy to use.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Maybe it didn't come out then, but maybe it came out
before that, but that's when Ifirst used it.
That was like the exposure thatI had before that was the first
time before texting for us.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
Yeah, messenger was huge.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Yeah, at least in college yeah, it was the aol
instant messenger.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
Yes, that's how we would get a hold of our friends.
For the most part, we had todial up.
We sound so vintage so youdon't remember your first
internet experience well, Iremember you well.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
No, not the internet experience no I just remember
using the computer for typing upessays, but not to research
things because you know I go tothe library and you know, just
check out a book to research.
I don't, I don't really.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Yeah, so we're a generation that encountered
smart devices in the earlyadulthood and you know we'll
just check out a book toresearch.
I don't, I don't reallyremember.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
So we're a generation that encountered smart devices
in the early adulthood.
Oh, now that you mentionedSamia, I wonder.
For me in middle school what Iwas doing in the media center
was actually not re internetresearch, maybe I was.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
It was just like books to do research that it was
showing me or something youwere probably pulling books.
Yeah, maybe it was showing meor something, you were probably
pulling books yeah, maybe it waslike library category or
something I don't know.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
I just remember it being very confusing it was.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
It was all green and you know I was like I don't
really know how to use yeah, allgreen, like the matrix movie,
you know do you guys rememberwhen you had your first cell
phone?
Speaker 3 (04:07):
yeah, college.
I was late in the game, thougheveryone else had it yeah, samia
, I got one.
Speaker 4 (04:14):
I got mine in high school when um we came back to
japan because everyone had, itso kawasan got me one, yeah and
it was not a smartphone nope, itwas a flip phone for Nope, it
was a flip phone for me.
Was it even a?
Speaker 3 (04:24):
flip phone.
Mine was a flip phone, okay.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Mine was a flip phone .
Wasn't there a generationbefore that?
That wasn't a flip phone, it'sjust a tiny little screen that
you see?
Speaker 3 (04:33):
Yes, yeah, yeah, I didn't have that though.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
And you could like actually message just a little
bit, but not.
Was there a limit?
Not to, but not.
Was there a limit?
Not the extent that you dothese days.
Yeah, I think you could alsosend an image, but it was just
very blurry, very tiny I mean,what generation are we talking?
Speaker 3 (04:53):
I don't know if you could send images on that, on
that like um non-flip phone,like the first cell phone.
I don't think you could sendimages on that, but I, I don
know, I think, I don't think youcould take pictures on it, I
don't know how.
Yeah, possibly.
Even my flip phone.
I mean, could you?
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, I could,I could.
My first cell phone was a flipphone, but again I was late in
(05:13):
the game so I could takepictures on it.
I don't know if I could sendpictures, but there was no color
, I don't think it just lit up.
The screen lit up blue when Iwould open it, but like I
couldn't change you know fontcolors or can you change?
Speaker 2 (05:32):
I mean, I don't do like there's no emoji or
anything.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
I don't think you had to do like you know, Colin, and
then parentheses for smileyface.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
So that was such a big deal right, because I mean
going from going from you know,sharing a household phone, where
we used to like run to grab thephone, to having your own
portable phone that you can takeanywhere.
I also got it in college.
That was the time wheneverybody started having cell
(06:03):
phones.
So the entire childhood of ourswe did not grow up with it.
So I'm curious, do you missthat life at all?
Because sometimes I think, ohmy god, I kind of miss having to
like run and not knowing whowas calling.
We, our family, here in germany, we don't have a house phone.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
I don't personally miss it for me at this age, but
I do for my kids.
I wish that they experiencedwhat we experienced, you know,
not having to be relying on yourphone to see who messaged you
or you know, that kind of stuff.
Obviously, we were fine backthen and I missed that for them.
For me, I don't have my phoneon me ever, so it's like I don't
(06:49):
have.
I'm like a cave woman.
I wear my Apple watch and Istill miss everything.
So, yeah, it's almost like I'mliving without my device.
I miss everything all the time.
But I mean obviously not.
I'm not not missing everything,but I do miss it for the kids,
for our kids, don't you?
Don't you wish that they couldjust live without it for even a
(07:13):
week?
Speaker 2 (07:14):
yeah, yeah, true, but I think my son is usually not
on his phone very much, so he'skind of like you, I guess.
Perhaps he doesn't really carefor messages or social media.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
Right, he's on gaming , yeah, he's on the.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
Yeah, he's on the computer, it's not on the phone
yeah and yeah, when he wants touse his phone he's usually doing
duolingo or doing games, buthe's not one of those kids that
have to constantly have hisphone around.
Remember, we used to not havethe caller id either on the
house phone, so we had no ideawho was calling.
That's.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
That came later, yeah so sometimes, so sometimes,
okasan's friends would call andyou know they were japanese and
we would answer the phone bysaying hello.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
In Ohio.
Speaker 4 (08:05):
Yeah, yeah, and sometimes if it's, you know, my
mom's mom, my mom's friend,they'd be like, oh my goodness,
maybe I dialed the wrong number,because this person's saying
hello instead of moshi moshi,which is like the Japanese way
of saying hello when you pick upthe phone.
So you know, some people wouldjust hang up or stay silent.
And this one time, um, I pickedup the phone, I was like hello,
(08:29):
it was silence and I was like Itold, I told tomomi, I was like
okay, so no one's sayinganything.
And tomomi's like say baka.
You know, baka means stupid injapanese.
So I was like baka and I hungup and after a couple of minutes
the phone rang again.
Wait, I think I picked it up,maybe, oh man, I said hello and
then she was like um in Japanese.
She was like um, is this, uh,the owner's residence?
(08:52):
And I said yes, and she waslike oh, um, is your mom there?
I'm like okay, and I, you know,handed the phone to her and
then it must have been her, youknow, the first time oh geez
awkward.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
Only was really making you do things.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
Yeah, she was all the things that I had to do.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
It was all for my entertainment always if one of
us would pick up a phone, thensometimes others would pick up
to try to listen in I don'tthink I did that, did I?
Speaker 4 (09:23):
I've done that.
I don't know or maybe.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
Well, a lot of times I would want to use a phone and
I would pick up and be like, canyou get off the phone?
Like I remember doing that,like I didn't know you were on
it yeah, like you've been on itfor so long we had.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
We had two house phones, yeah, and so we ran to
it a lot of times and we hadcall waiting, didn't we?
Speaker 3 (09:45):
What is that again?
It's like when someone else iscalling us that you can hear the
beep.
Oh, that's right I remember Iused to ignore it because I'm
like well, I'm already talkingto somebody I want to talk to,
so it's obviously not for me,I'm just going to ignore it.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Yeah, but it was kind of annoying.
I think it became annoying whenyou want.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
Well, I take away phone from you, know, Kekle,
sometimes if you know if we'rejust trying to discipline her
for whatever reason, and I'vetaken away like a week at a time
multiple times and it's hardfor her because it's everyone
else has it, so she's missingout on what's going on with her
(10:32):
friends I feel that if they wereall also um deviceless for like
a week, then it's I think it'stolerable.
She has bad fomo, you know, likeyou, so, so she doesn't want to
miss out on anything.
Yeah, so that's hard.
So, like, I think.
I feel like if we could takeaway all device from all
(10:55):
everyone in this generation,they would be okay, but it's
just that everyone else is goingon with their social life with
the cell phone I feel like we'reso reliant on it that if I lose
my phone today, like if I loseit right now, I would not feel
right.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
I mean, everything is on there, right?
I don't even know.
I should know my husband'sphone number, but I don't like I
don't know, you don't know hisphone number.
No, I need to memorize.
I should do that you do.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
The only reason why I know matt's is because ours is
very similar.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
Yeah, I don't know my son's phone number.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
I mean yeah remember we had to have a friend's phone
numbers memorized back in a dayum I still remember angie's
phone number.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
We had to memorize like 10, 12, 20 phone numbers.
I don't know how we did that,honestly, right yeah we had to
memorize all those numbers.
We did it somehow.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
Yeah, we don't do that anymore we remember like we
would write letters in schooland hand them out like fold them
all like fun.
There was a trendy way to foldit yeah one week and then the
next week.
There'd be another way I usedto exchange letters oh, you mean
exchanging letters instead?
Speaker 2 (12:11):
oh yeah, yeah, this was before the phone, yeah, yeah
that's true, and then one of myclose friends.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
We would have a notebook that we would like a
share a composition book?
Yeah, yeah, so then I wouldwrite in it and then she would
write in it, and we would justswitch back and forth.
Speaker 4 (12:28):
I know, I mean, I wish I had that still, still.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
I'd love to look back on it.
I should tell Kiko to start it.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
I'm going to do that.
Oh wait, maybe that's not agood idea, Because someone could
get a hold of it.
And then you know, Middleschool kids are mean.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
But parents also rely on some kids to have it so they
can locate the kids, forexample.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
Yeah, me with Emikoiko.
Yeah, and she's only in fourthgrade, but you know it's so nice
that she has it now.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
It's so crazy, I mean yeah, and for us when we were
growing up, our parents didn'tknow where we were a lot of
times no that was acceptedpretty much like bye and you
leave the house and you not comeback until dinner time.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
And I don't even know if they asked us where we were.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
No, I don't think so.
No, I don't think so I think wehad to be like we didn't have
watches on either.
Well, you know, in Japan.
Speaker 4 (13:24):
You know, there's a certain song that comes out when
it's like getting dark.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
That's right.
It's to tell kiss to go home.
Yeah, that must be it, but Ifeel like we didn't have that
when we were younger like in the80s really.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
I just know about the .
Speaker 2 (13:40):
I don't remember the song the nude bell oh, there was
.
There has to be some signal.
I don't think there was a song,though, really oh, like
amusement parks, you know howthey play.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
That.
Is that what the kind of songyou're talking about?
Remember when you, when Ivisited you and we went to the
park- yeah, yeah, yeah, likethat.
Is that the song Mm-hmm?
I thought that was just for theamusement park.
Speaker 4 (14:00):
But they play it elsewhere.
It's different per region, butit's usually that song that they
play at that amusement park.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
If it was a song I would definitely remember.
Speaker 4 (14:12):
I don't think it was a song I guess they didn't have
it back then probably in the 80s, probably not so how do we like
know when to go home because wedidn't have watches?
Speaker 3 (14:21):
that's what we're asking around like hey, what
time is it?
Speaker 2 (14:25):
or maybe once they got darker we were like, oh,
it's getting darker, let's gohome, yeah, yeah, I mean, if we
were at our friend's house, Iused to remember to, you know,
check the clock and such attheir house.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
Yeah yeah, I wonder how that was.
We should.
We should ask our parents likehow, what did you tell us?
Like what time do we have to behome?
Or like how do we know when tocome back?
Speaker 2 (14:49):
or I honestly don't know if they cared as much they
did because we ate dinner we atedinner same time every night
together, so we were definitelyback before that yeah
Speaker 3 (15:02):
but I mean, I remember okasan always saying
yeah, we must have somehowcommunicated with each other
that we were going to this place, this place, because there were
times where I had to come andget you at a park or something
so okay, maybe you and somethingI do remember okasa saying,
(15:22):
though, like that she didn'thave to get on us that much,
that we were pretty, you know,responsible yeah because she,
when she saw like keiko andemiko, she was just kind of like
, wow, like I can't believe youhave to be on top of them so
much like you girls were, not, Ididn't have to be so on top of
(15:43):
you guys yeah, because shepressured me to be on top of you
guys well, I mean, we didn'talways hang out.
You know, I used to ride my biketo my friend's house all the
time.
Yeah, yeah, but I think she hadsomebody else also.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
She emphasized that I should be responsible.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
I mean, we didn't always hang out.
You know, I used to ride mybike to my friend's house all
the time.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
Yeah, but I think she had somebody else also.
She emphasized that I should beresponsible.
Yeah, I'm sure, maybe, yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
Yeah, Like Cody, if you don't round up the kids,
you're not eating dinner tonight.
That never happened?
Speaker 2 (16:07):
Yeah, something like that.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
Even at school, too, I remember going to the library
doing research, like because youknow there was no internet that
we couldn't just like log onand now simple things.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
I don't know about elementary kids in Japan and
Germany now, but definitelywhere we live, um, they are
having to do homework and tests,online tests and tests too, and
it's so hard.
I've seen the layout of thesetests where you have to scroll
up and down.
Half of the screen is thereading page, the other half is
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to answer, and then you have toscroll, you have to enlarge, you
have to.
You know it's oh yeah, that'sdifficult it's so hard and the
reading teachers are complaining, saying you know, we've taught
the kids reading strategies likehow to highlight, underline,
circle certain keywords, youknow when you're reading so you
can absorb what you're reading,or you know just to get the
central idea for each paragraph,and they are not able to do
(17:06):
that on the computer, so itmakes it more difficult for kids
, I think, to have to be allonline based.
Is it like that?
And you said in Germany it'snot, it's still paper based if
it's a test.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
It's paper based yeah , but Germany has realized
during COVID times thatdigitalization was behind
because a lot of schoolsstruggled with it.
Yeah, and I think it's great onone hand.
If it's helpful, right,obviously.
But when it becomes toodifficult to use, then it's like
(17:42):
what's the point of doing itonline?
Speaker 3 (17:44):
like kids, have to write essays and type it up like
even if it's a test, you knowand that's I don't know.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
Especially if kids are struggling to write on paper
.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
Right.
Speaker 3 (17:57):
They're definitely going to struggle to type it up,
I feel.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
But OK, so if they type, they type it in Word or
something, no, the recent onethey had.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
it was not Word either, it was just this box OK.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
So you have to spell things correctly.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
It's not going.
No, no, no, it's not gonna autocorrect or anything but um, I
believe I don't know if itunderlines, because I I didn't
look really into that, into it,but I know they recently had
this big writing test that theyhad to do online.
They had to read a passage onhalf of the screen okay, again
scrolling up and down to readall this passage.
They were given a planningsheet to write on paper, just
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the planning sheet, and thenthey had to type it up in this
box yeah so it was not even docor anything
Speaker 2 (18:44):
but, so why do you think they're pushing so much
for?
This it's becoming more onlinebased, computer based everything
yeah, if you think that kidsare maybe struggling to use it,
why, I wonder?
Because that's not the, that'snot a priority, right?
It's a priority for kids tolearn, not about how to use
these tools.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
I'm wondering why that's being pushed so I mean
the teachers don't really have asay.
You know, it's like that's whatthe district wants.
If that's what they want, theyhave to push it.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
Our son's school.
He goes to a private school.
He does have his own iPad thathe uses as textbooks and they do
like some fun activities on itat school, but it's not used for
tests for homework sometimes.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
So it's when they're doing their work they write on
paper.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
He brings back and forth the iPad home, yeah, but
also depends too on the classes.
Like some class like he'staking biology class, it's a
bilingual biology class andthat's all digital, but all the
other classes seem to be most ofthem anyway seems to be actual
textbooks yeah.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
What about simi?
Do you know about kids in japan, elementary level even, or
middle school?
I don't have kids.
Speaker 4 (20:04):
So I don't know.
All I know.
Is that sure, yeah, yeah, I Iall.
I do know that they use tabletsin elementary schools now oh,
oh, okay.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
So they do?
Do you think that's only in thecities, like big cities Like I
can't see our hometown usingtablets?
Speaker 3 (20:21):
Oh yeah, I don't think these kids were coming
home with tablets at all orcomputers.
But you know what I feel likethey're starting to introduce it
a little bit.
I want to say yes, they werelike they're starting to
introduce it a little bit.
I want to say yes, they were,because when I went this summer
to Japan and the kids and I wentto school our school that we
attended as kids to, you know,just have fun English game day
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when I took the kids and did itwith them, with some students
after school, they had computersand I said, what are you guys
doing?
And they were like, oh, we'rejust doing some practice, math
or practice this practice thatthey had their computers.
I remember that.
Now I don't know much detailabout it.
I don't know if they take ithome, if it stays at school, if
(21:07):
they do assignments or tests.
I don't know about that.
If they do assignments or tests, I don't know about that, but
they did have it.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
Each of them.
I also wonder, like how we tooktrips like family trips without
any devices.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
You know how we did it.
You know Oto-san was all aboutmap highlighting.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
Everything, printing everything.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
When we had to do like eight hour drive, you know
like, how did we occupyourselves for that long?
Speaker 4 (21:40):
Do you remember it just sang songs.
Right, we sang songs.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
We played games.
We like prepare, like, like cds.
He did prepare.
He was good man, you're rightthat is a long time without
exactly I mean we had each other.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
what the hell yeah, yeah Singing the whole time.
That would drive me.
Speaker 4 (21:53):
I don't know about the whole time, but I just I
just have this image, you knowfrom our child.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
Yeah Of us singing.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
Maybe we're yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (22:02):
Specific image we were singing the Lion King
Hakuna.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
Matata, ok, so then we sing a lot.
We also play games.
Hakuna Matata Okay, so then wesang a lot, we also played games
.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
Like what kind of games do we play?
Speaker 2 (22:14):
Because we're in a car.
I think we did like licenseplay games.
Right, that is not a game.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
License play games.
Who can?
Speaker 2 (22:20):
memorize.
No, no, no, Like spotting alicense plate added up or
something.
Who?
Speaker 1 (22:26):
does that?
Speaker 2 (22:28):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
I'm very sure we did something like that.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
I don't remember doing that.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
Maybe not.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
I did it when I was a kid, when I was still living in
Japan.
This was like pre-teens.
I used to like run around theneighborhood and just add up the
license plate.
That's hilarious.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
Simi, did we have dolls?
No, huh, maybe we had, we haddolls.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
oh yeah, we took dolls and maybe yeah but it
makes you wonder, right, likehow did we occupy ourselves?
Speaker 3 (22:56):
we didn't have phones , we didn't have tablets, we
didn't have anything so when wewere, when we got a little bit
older, I remember otosan sayingwho's the lucky person that's
gonna navigate in the passengerseat with this map?
oh, my gosh, and I was like notme, no thank you I don't think
any of us were excited, but Iremember he made us take turns
and sit in the passenger seatand look at the map and I'm not
(23:18):
gonna lie, I was like I don'tknow what I'm looking at and I
don't know and he used to tellme, like tell me where I'm going
.
I'm like I have actually noidea.
I don't really know how to readthis map, but then like he
would teach me.
I remember and I don't know ifI learned at that age still, but
yeah, but we had to.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
That was part of education on how to read map I
was part of it.
Speaker 4 (23:39):
It was either you didn't.
Yeah, it was just always botheither of you guys.
Oh my gosh, I mean when Istarted driving.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
It was not, it was all maps, like I had to know
where I was, was going.
Looked at the map and figuredout how to get there?
Speaker 3 (23:55):
I mean, I know how to read the map now, obviously,
but I don't know if I actuallygot it.
You know, when we were on ourfamily vacation in the passenger
seat I must have been in middleschool or I don't know we did a
lot of prep work.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
Right like looking at the maps yeah, but just back
then.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
Yeah, like a lot of prep for going on a trip.
Speaker 3 (24:14):
Nowadays you just type in the yeah, he did a lot
of printing, remember, becausehe had to right, because he had
to print everything out uh,hotel information, phone numbers
.
You know he was very organizedin that way like he printed
everything and laminated somemaps.
You know what I love tolaminate now as a mom.
(24:36):
So I get it, but my kids geteverything wet and dirty and rip
, so I think lamination is mustbe illegal here.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
Illegal what I don't know, I'm just saying it's a
long way from schooling.
It's wasteful, it's notsustainable.
You don't see elimination doneso when we travel these days,
you let the kids have thedevices at a certain point,
right.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
Well, sometimes you know I want peace in the car and
a device is a great way.
I'm not going to lie, I meanthey drive me crazy sometimes
you know, you experiencedfirsthand.
Yeah, oh my gosh, they, they.
I keep getting loud environmentnotification on my watch
because you should hear themsing all the time as soon as
(25:24):
they get home.
They're really into hittinghigh pitch lately and it's so
loud.
They do it over and over andover and over and they, they're
not, first of all, not hittingthe pitch and, second of all,
they just keep doing it over andover and over because they're
not doing it right oh, I'm justlike oh my god but I'm sure we
were kind of like that too,considering there were three of
(25:46):
us.
Speaker 4 (25:46):
Yeah, but I I bet you guys don't remember that you,
you guys didn't let me sing likecertain parts of the song
because that's how you guysdon't remember that you, you
guys, didn't let me sing likecertain parts of the song
because that's how you guystreated me.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
Oh man, you poor thing like what do you mean?
Speaker 3 (25:59):
like such as what?
Like high parts?
Speaker 4 (26:02):
you know the parts that you know it's fun to yeah,
the main part allowed to singlike I wasn't allowed to
participate.
Oh god, no.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
I don't remember that if we went back now like
without any phones, right?
Do you think that kids aregonna have withdrawals?
Do you think we'll havewithdrawals?
Speaker 3 (26:22):
I guess a lot of people work these days online
well again, I think if everyonein the world was deviceless, we
were all on the same page.
I think it's manageable.
Speaker 4 (26:34):
Yeah, that's what I thought too, because everyone
has to figure it out.
Speaker 3 (26:37):
We're all on the same page with okay, I need to get
ahold of this person, but theycan't get ahold of me either.
So we'll figure it out, kind ofthing.
But if it's just us, obviouslywe're going to struggle.
People are going to be like Iemailed you, I texted you, I
called you, Like what's going on.
Why are you not responding?
Speaker 4 (26:55):
Yeah, yeah, I feel the same way.
If, like, no one had theirphones, then I'd be okay with it
.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
Yeah, you know, I have to say, the kids are not as
creative, for sure, when youtake your devices away and tell
them okay, go play, do free play.
Okay, go play, do free play.
They're not very they're,they're not very creative with
their imagination, like I knowthat at school anyway, when I'm
there, um, if they play outsidea lot of times, first of all
they complain and I'm like okay,it's recess, you want to play
(27:22):
outside?
Speaker 1 (27:23):
No, I want to be on the computer inside.
Speaker 3 (27:24):
I want indoor recess.
What, no, like you got to getit out, you know, out of you.
And then when they go outside,if there's no playground, if
they're assigned in an area toplay where there's no playground
, they don't know what to dowith themselves.
There's nothing to do.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
Do you think because they're used to rely on the?
Speaker 3 (27:42):
computer?
Yes, I think so, and then I'veshowed them.
Oh, you can do like long jumps,you know we can mark it and see
who can you know jump from herethe longest, and you know they
all would get into it, or youknow.
It's just crazy, though, thatthey can't think of these things
at all yeah at all becausethat's all we did that's all.
Yeah, that's what we did when wewere growing up, do you guys?
(28:04):
Remember when, when it was funand they were kids, we literally
played on the road, like infront of our house with our
neighbors.
Yeah wait, who, simi?
Were you just saying recentlythat we would draw like with
water, or what did you saysomething about?
Speaker 4 (28:20):
okay.
So there were a lot of thingsthat we played which apparently
you two don't remember.
Kick the can game you knowwhere one person would oh yeah,
yeah, you said protect the canthat's a fun, and the kids will
go and hide well, tomo, maybeyou can.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
You can let the girls um play the games you used to
play.
Speaker 3 (28:42):
See if it's fun yeah, you gotta explain it.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
So then one person would be in charge of protecting
the can and everyone else wasthis to hide and I remember this
, yeah, and then somebody had tocome out and kick it before
they got caught, you get taggedokay yeah, I remember that game
there were a lot of games thatwe played on the road, and I
think we made them up too thanksfor joining us today.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
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Until next time.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
John it Bye.
I gotta get you out of my system.
I gotta get you off of my mind.
But how do I move on when noone compares?
They only keep me occupied.
I try to shake them off sodesperately but you pull them
(00:24):
tighter, string me along.
It's sad, but I'm so gone.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
And how do you do it Live with yourself?
Do you guys remember when westarted having emails and
internet, or when we startedusing them?
Speaker 3 (00:43):
I don't remember email, but but yes, when we
first started doing internetresearch at school, I remember
how big and bulky the computerscreens were, the monitors, no
images.
Do you remember that?
Um, no, and school media centerwas the first time I at least
that's when I remember you usedinternet then, but it was all
(01:05):
green writing, and then themonitors were like, so bulky you
know, it was protruding fromthe wall, basically Like it was
just.
And then I didn't know what Iwas doing, though, like I didn't
know how to do the research.
Very well, I would type things,but I'm like I don't know how
to utilize this thing.
(01:25):
I remember thinking that becausethat was something we could use
to do research, but I didn'tfeel that it was very effective
because I don't.
Maybe I wasn't doing it right,but it was like lame.
So I would actually use anactual book instead, where I
could see images and understandit better, where I could see
images and understand it better.
(01:45):
That was, I want to say.
Maybe middle school is when Ifirst started using it at the
library, school, library or highschool.
What about you guys?
You remember?
Speaker 2 (01:57):
Well, I had email address when I entered the
university.
That was the first time I knowwe had access at home.
You know those dial-ups, but Iwas not interested or I wasn't
informed, or I'm not sureexactly.
It was something that was newto me.
Right, I finally had an emailaddress.
(02:20):
The first email address I hadwas definitely at the university
.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
Ohio State.
Really I wonder if that was myfirst one, maybe.
I mean I feel like internet, Imean email, but you're two years
younger, so I'm not sure ifthat's the time.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
That's when the AOL messenger came out.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
Yes, messenger was easy to use.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Maybe it didn't come out then, but maybe it came out
before that, but that's when Ifirst used it.
That was like the exposure thatI had before that was the first
time before texting for us.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
Yeah, messenger was huge.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Yeah, at least in college yeah, it was the aol
instant messenger.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
Yes, that's how we would get a hold of our friends.
For the most part, we had todial up.
We sound so vintage so youdon't remember your first
internet experience well, Iremember you well.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
No, not the internet experience no I just remember
using the computer for typing upessays, but not to research
things because you know I go tothe library and you know, just
check out a book to research.
I don't, I don't really.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Yeah, so we're a generation that encountered
smart devices in the earlyadulthood and you know we'll
just check out a book toresearch.
I don't, I don't reallyremember.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
So we're a generation that encountered smart devices
in the early adulthood.
Oh, now that you mentionedSamia, I wonder.
For me in middle school what Iwas doing in the media center
was actually not re internetresearch, maybe I was.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
It was just like books to do research that it was
showing me or something youwere probably pulling books.
Yeah, maybe it was showing meor something, you were probably
pulling books yeah, maybe it waslike library category or
something I don't know.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
I just remember it being very confusing it was.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
It was all green and you know I was like I don't
really know how to use yeah, allgreen, like the matrix movie,
you know do you guys rememberwhen you had your first cell
phone?
Speaker 3 (04:07):
yeah, college.
I was late in the game, thougheveryone else had it yeah, samia
, I got one.
Speaker 4 (04:14):
I got mine in high school when um we came back to
japan because everyone had, itso kawasan got me one, yeah and
it was not a smartphone nope, itwas a flip phone for Nope, it
was a flip phone for me.
Was it even a?
Speaker 3 (04:24):
flip phone.
Mine was a flip phone, okay.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Mine was a flip phone .
Wasn't there a generationbefore that?
That wasn't a flip phone, it'sjust a tiny little screen that
you see?
Speaker 3 (04:33):
Yes, yeah, yeah, I didn't have that though.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
And you could like actually message just a little
bit, but not.
Was there a limit?
Not to, but not.
Was there a limit?
Not the extent that you dothese days.
Yeah, I think you could alsosend an image, but it was just
very blurry, very tiny I mean,what generation are we talking?
Speaker 3 (04:53):
I don't know if you could send images on that, on
that like um non-flip phone,like the first cell phone.
I don't think you could sendimages on that, but I, I don
know, I think, I don't think youcould take pictures on it, I
don't know how.
Yeah, possibly.
Even my flip phone.
I mean, could you?
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, I could,I could.
My first cell phone was a flipphone, but again I was late in
(05:13):
the game so I could takepictures on it.
I don't know if I could sendpictures, but there was no color
, I don't think it just lit up.
The screen lit up blue when Iwould open it, but like I
couldn't change you know fontcolors or can you change?
Speaker 2 (05:32):
I mean, I don't do like there's no emoji or
anything.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
I don't think you had to do like you know, Colin, and
then parentheses for smileyface.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
So that was such a big deal right, because I mean
going from going from you know,sharing a household phone, where
we used to like run to grab thephone, to having your own
portable phone that you can takeanywhere.
I also got it in college.
That was the time wheneverybody started having cell
(06:03):
phones.
So the entire childhood of ourswe did not grow up with it.
So I'm curious, do you missthat life at all?
Because sometimes I think, ohmy god, I kind of miss having to
like run and not knowing whowas calling.
We, our family, here in germany, we don't have a house phone.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
I don't personally miss it for me at this age, but
I do for my kids.
I wish that they experiencedwhat we experienced, you know,
not having to be relying on yourphone to see who messaged you
or you know, that kind of stuff.
Obviously, we were fine backthen and I missed that for them.
For me, I don't have my phoneon me ever, so it's like I don't
(06:49):
have.
I'm like a cave woman.
I wear my Apple watch and Istill miss everything.
So, yeah, it's almost like I'mliving without my device.
I miss everything all the time.
But I mean obviously not.
I'm not not missing everything,but I do miss it for the kids,
for our kids, don't you?
Don't you wish that they couldjust live without it for even a
(07:13):
week?
Speaker 2 (07:14):
yeah, yeah, true, but I think my son is usually not
on his phone very much, so he'skind of like you, I guess.
Perhaps he doesn't really carefor messages or social media.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
Right, he's on gaming , yeah, he's on the.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
Yeah, he's on the computer, it's not on the phone
yeah and yeah, when he wants touse his phone he's usually doing
duolingo or doing games, buthe's not one of those kids that
have to constantly have hisphone around.
Remember, we used to not havethe caller id either on the
house phone, so we had no ideawho was calling.
That's.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
That came later, yeah so sometimes, so sometimes,
okasan's friends would call andyou know they were japanese and
we would answer the phone bysaying hello.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
In Ohio.
Speaker 4 (08:05):
Yeah, yeah, and sometimes if it's, you know, my
mom's mom, my mom's friend,they'd be like, oh my goodness,
maybe I dialed the wrong number,because this person's saying
hello instead of moshi moshi,which is like the Japanese way
of saying hello when you pick upthe phone.
So you know, some people wouldjust hang up or stay silent.
And this one time, um, I pickedup the phone, I was like hello,
(08:29):
it was silence and I was like Itold, I told tomomi, I was like
okay, so no one's sayinganything.
And tomomi's like say baka.
You know, baka means stupid injapanese.
So I was like baka and I hungup and after a couple of minutes
the phone rang again.
Wait, I think I picked it up,maybe, oh man, I said hello and
then she was like um in Japanese.
She was like um, is this, uh,the owner's residence?
(08:52):
And I said yes, and she waslike oh, um, is your mom there?
I'm like okay, and I, you know,handed the phone to her and
then it must have been her, youknow, the first time oh geez
awkward.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
Only was really making you do things.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
Yeah, she was all the things that I had to do.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
It was all for my entertainment always if one of
us would pick up a phone, thensometimes others would pick up
to try to listen in I don'tthink I did that, did I?
Speaker 4 (09:23):
I've done that.
I don't know or maybe.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
Well, a lot of times I would want to use a phone and
I would pick up and be like, canyou get off the phone?
Like I remember doing that,like I didn't know you were on
it yeah, like you've been on itfor so long we had.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
We had two house phones, yeah, and so we ran to
it a lot of times and we hadcall waiting, didn't we?
Speaker 3 (09:45):
What is that again?
It's like when someone else iscalling us that you can hear the
beep.
Oh, that's right I remember Iused to ignore it because I'm
like well, I'm already talkingto somebody I want to talk to,
so it's obviously not for me,I'm just going to ignore it.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Yeah, but it was kind of annoying.
I think it became annoying whenyou want.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
Well, I take away phone from you, know, Kekle,
sometimes if you know if we'rejust trying to discipline her
for whatever reason, and I'vetaken away like a week at a time
multiple times and it's hardfor her because it's everyone
else has it, so she's missingout on what's going on with her
(10:32):
friends I feel that if they wereall also um deviceless for like
a week, then it's I think it'stolerable.
She has bad fomo, you know, likeyou, so, so she doesn't want to
miss out on anything.
Yeah, so that's hard.
So, like, I think.
I feel like if we could takeaway all device from all
(10:55):
everyone in this generation,they would be okay, but it's
just that everyone else is goingon with their social life with
the cell phone I feel like we'reso reliant on it that if I lose
my phone today, like if I loseit right now, I would not feel
right.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
I mean, everything is on there, right?
I don't even know.
I should know my husband'sphone number, but I don't like I
don't know, you don't know hisphone number.
No, I need to memorize.
I should do that you do.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
The only reason why I know matt's is because ours is
very similar.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
Yeah, I don't know my son's phone number.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
I mean yeah remember we had to have a friend's phone
numbers memorized back in a dayum I still remember angie's
phone number.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
We had to memorize like 10, 12, 20 phone numbers.
I don't know how we did that,honestly, right yeah we had to
memorize all those numbers.
We did it somehow.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
Yeah, we don't do that anymore we remember like we
would write letters in schooland hand them out like fold them
all like fun.
There was a trendy way to foldit yeah one week and then the
next week.
There'd be another way I usedto exchange letters oh, you mean
exchanging letters instead?
Speaker 2 (12:11):
oh yeah, yeah, this was before the phone, yeah, yeah
that's true, and then one of myclose friends.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
We would have a notebook that we would like a
share a composition book?
Yeah, yeah, so then I wouldwrite in it and then she would
write in it, and we would justswitch back and forth.
Speaker 4 (12:28):
I know, I mean, I wish I had that still, still.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
I'd love to look back on it.
I should tell Kiko to start it.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
I'm going to do that.
Oh wait, maybe that's not agood idea, Because someone could
get a hold of it.
And then you know, Middleschool kids are mean.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
But parents also rely on some kids to have it so they
can locate the kids, forexample.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
Yeah, me with Emikoiko.
Yeah, and she's only in fourthgrade, but you know it's so nice
that she has it now.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
It's so crazy, I mean yeah, and for us when we were
growing up, our parents didn'tknow where we were a lot of
times no that was acceptedpretty much like bye and you
leave the house and you not comeback until dinner time.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
And I don't even know if they asked us where we were.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
No, I don't think so.
No, I don't think so I think wehad to be like we didn't have
watches on either.
Well, you know, in Japan.
Speaker 4 (13:24):
You know, there's a certain song that comes out when
it's like getting dark.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
That's right.
It's to tell kiss to go home.
Yeah, that must be it, but Ifeel like we didn't have that
when we were younger like in the80s really.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
I just know about the .
Speaker 2 (13:40):
I don't remember the song the nude bell oh, there was
.
There has to be some signal.
I don't think there was a song,though, really oh, like
amusement parks, you know howthey play.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
That.
Is that what the kind of songyou're talking about?
Remember when you, when Ivisited you and we went to the
park- yeah, yeah, yeah, likethat.
Is that the song Mm-hmm?
I thought that was just for theamusement park.
Speaker 4 (14:00):
But they play it elsewhere.
It's different per region, butit's usually that song that they
play at that amusement park.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
If it was a song I would definitely remember.
Speaker 4 (14:12):
I don't think it was a song I guess they didn't have
it back then probably in the 80s, probably not so how do we like
know when to go home because wedidn't have watches?
Speaker 3 (14:21):
that's what we're asking around like hey, what
time is it?
Speaker 2 (14:25):
or maybe once they got darker we were like, oh,
it's getting darker, let's gohome, yeah, yeah, I mean, if we
were at our friend's house, Iused to remember to, you know,
check the clock and such attheir house.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
Yeah yeah, I wonder how that was.
We should.
We should ask our parents likehow, what did you tell us?
Like what time do we have to behome?
Or like how do we know when tocome back?
Speaker 2 (14:49):
or I honestly don't know if they cared as much they
did because we ate dinner we atedinner same time every night
together, so we were definitelyback before that yeah
Speaker 3 (15:02):
but I mean, I remember okasan always saying
yeah, we must have somehowcommunicated with each other
that we were going to this place, this place, because there were
times where I had to come andget you at a park or something
so okay, maybe you and somethingI do remember okasa saying,
(15:22):
though, like that she didn'thave to get on us that much,
that we were pretty, you know,responsible yeah because she,
when she saw like keiko andemiko, she was just kind of like
, wow, like I can't believe youhave to be on top of them so
much like you girls were, not, Ididn't have to be so on top of
(15:43):
you guys yeah, because shepressured me to be on top of you
guys well, I mean, we didn'talways hang out.
You know, I used to ride my biketo my friend's house all the
time.
Yeah, yeah, but I think she hadsomebody else also.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
She emphasized that I should be responsible.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
I mean, we didn't always hang out.
You know, I used to ride mybike to my friend's house all
the time.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
Yeah, but I think she had somebody else also.
She emphasized that I should beresponsible.
Yeah, I'm sure, maybe, yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
Yeah, Like Cody, if you don't round up the kids,
you're not eating dinner tonight.
That never happened?
Speaker 2 (16:07):
Yeah, something like that.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
Even at school, too, I remember going to the library
doing research, like because youknow there was no internet that
we couldn't just like log onand now simple things.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
I don't know about elementary kids in Japan and
Germany now, but definitelywhere we live, um, they are
having to do homework and tests,online tests and tests too, and
it's so hard.
I've seen the layout of thesetests where you have to scroll
up and down.
Half of the screen is thereading page, the other half is
(16:43):
to answer, and then you have toscroll, you have to enlarge, you
have to.
You know it's oh yeah, that'sdifficult it's so hard and the
reading teachers are complaining, saying you know, we've taught
the kids reading strategies likehow to highlight, underline,
circle certain keywords, youknow when you're reading so you
can absorb what you're reading,or you know just to get the
central idea for each paragraph,and they are not able to do
(17:06):
that on the computer, so itmakes it more difficult for kids
, I think, to have to be allonline based.
Is it like that?
And you said in Germany it'snot, it's still paper based if
it's a test.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
It's paper based yeah , but Germany has realized
during COVID times thatdigitalization was behind
because a lot of schoolsstruggled with it.
Yeah, and I think it's great onone hand.
If it's helpful, right,obviously.
But when it becomes toodifficult to use, then it's like
(17:42):
what's the point of doing itonline?
Speaker 3 (17:44):
like kids, have to write essays and type it up like
even if it's a test, you knowand that's I don't know.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
Especially if kids are struggling to write on paper
.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
Right.
Speaker 3 (17:57):
They're definitely going to struggle to type it up,
I feel.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
But OK, so if they type, they type it in Word or
something, no, the recent onethey had.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
it was not Word either, it was just this box OK.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
So you have to spell things correctly.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
It's not going.
No, no, no, it's not gonna autocorrect or anything but um, I
believe I don't know if itunderlines, because I I didn't
look really into that, into it,but I know they recently had
this big writing test that theyhad to do online.
They had to read a passage onhalf of the screen okay, again
scrolling up and down to readall this passage.
They were given a planningsheet to write on paper, just
(18:36):
the planning sheet, and thenthey had to type it up in this
box yeah so it was not even docor anything
Speaker 2 (18:44):
but, so why do you think they're pushing so much
for?
This it's becoming more onlinebased, computer based everything
yeah, if you think that kidsare maybe struggling to use it,
why, I wonder?
Because that's not the, that'snot a priority, right?
It's a priority for kids tolearn, not about how to use
these tools.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
I'm wondering why that's being pushed so I mean
the teachers don't really have asay.
You know, it's like that's whatthe district wants.
If that's what they want, theyhave to push it.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
Our son's school.
He goes to a private school.
He does have his own iPad thathe uses as textbooks and they do
like some fun activities on itat school, but it's not used for
tests for homework sometimes.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
So it's when they're doing their work they write on
paper.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
He brings back and forth the iPad home, yeah, but
also depends too on the classes.
Like some class like he'staking biology class, it's a
bilingual biology class andthat's all digital, but all the
other classes seem to be most ofthem anyway seems to be actual
textbooks yeah.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
What about simi?
Do you know about kids in japan, elementary level even, or
middle school?
I don't have kids.
Speaker 4 (20:04):
So I don't know.
All I know.
Is that sure, yeah, yeah, I Iall.
I do know that they use tabletsin elementary schools now oh,
oh, okay.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
So they do?
Do you think that's only in thecities, like big cities Like I
can't see our hometown usingtablets?
Speaker 3 (20:21):
Oh yeah, I don't think these kids were coming
home with tablets at all orcomputers.
But you know what I feel likethey're starting to introduce it
a little bit.
I want to say yes, they werelike they're starting to
introduce it a little bit.
I want to say yes, they were,because when I went this summer
to Japan and the kids and I wentto school our school that we
attended as kids to, you know,just have fun English game day
(20:46):
when I took the kids and did itwith them, with some students
after school, they had computersand I said, what are you guys
doing?
And they were like, oh, we'rejust doing some practice, math
or practice this practice thatthey had their computers.
I remember that.
Now I don't know much detailabout it.
I don't know if they take ithome, if it stays at school, if
(21:07):
they do assignments or tests.
I don't know about that.
If they do assignments or tests, I don't know about that, but
they did have it.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
Each of them.
I also wonder, like how we tooktrips like family trips without
any devices.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
You know how we did it.
You know Oto-san was all aboutmap highlighting.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
Everything, printing everything.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
When we had to do like eight hour drive, you know
like, how did we occupyourselves for that long?
Speaker 4 (21:40):
Do you remember it just sang songs.
Right, we sang songs.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
We played games.
We like prepare, like, like cds.
He did prepare.
He was good man, you're rightthat is a long time without
exactly I mean we had each other.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
what the hell yeah, yeah Singing the whole time.
That would drive me.
Speaker 4 (21:53):
I don't know about the whole time, but I just I
just have this image, you knowfrom our child.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
Yeah Of us singing.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
Maybe we're yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (22:02):
Specific image we were singing the Lion King
Hakuna.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
Matata, ok, so then we sing a lot.
We also play games.
Hakuna Matata Okay, so then wesang a lot, we also played games
.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
Like what kind of games do we play?
Speaker 2 (22:14):
Because we're in a car.
I think we did like licenseplay games.
Right, that is not a game.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
License play games.
Who can?
Speaker 2 (22:20):
memorize.
No, no, no, Like spotting alicense plate added up or
something.
Who?
Speaker 1 (22:26):
does that?
Speaker 2 (22:28):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
I'm very sure we did something like that.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
I don't remember doing that.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
Maybe not.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
I did it when I was a kid, when I was still living in
Japan.
This was like pre-teens.
I used to like run around theneighborhood and just add up the
license plate.
That's hilarious.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
Simi, did we have dolls?
No, huh, maybe we had, we haddolls.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
oh yeah, we took dolls and maybe yeah but it
makes you wonder, right, likehow did we occupy ourselves?
Speaker 3 (22:56):
we didn't have phones , we didn't have tablets, we
didn't have anything so when wewere, when we got a little bit
older, I remember otosan sayingwho's the lucky person that's
gonna navigate in the passengerseat with this map?
oh, my gosh, and I was like notme, no thank you I don't think
any of us were excited, but Iremember he made us take turns
and sit in the passenger seatand look at the map and I'm not
(23:18):
gonna lie, I was like I don'tknow what I'm looking at and I
don't know and he used to tellme, like tell me where I'm going
.
I'm like I have actually noidea.
I don't really know how to readthis map, but then like he
would teach me.
I remember and I don't know ifI learned at that age still, but
yeah, but we had to.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
That was part of education on how to read map I
was part of it.
Speaker 4 (23:39):
It was either you didn't.
Yeah, it was just always botheither of you guys.
Oh my gosh, I mean when Istarted driving.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
It was not, it was all maps, like I had to know
where I was, was going.
Looked at the map and figuredout how to get there?
Speaker 3 (23:55):
I mean, I know how to read the map now, obviously,
but I don't know if I actuallygot it.
You know, when we were on ourfamily vacation in the passenger
seat I must have been in middleschool or I don't know we did a
lot of prep work.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
Right like looking at the maps yeah, but just back
then.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
Yeah, like a lot of prep for going on a trip.
Speaker 3 (24:14):
Nowadays you just type in the yeah, he did a lot
of printing, remember, becausehe had to right, because he had
to print everything out uh,hotel information, phone numbers
.
You know he was very organizedin that way like he printed
everything and laminated somemaps.
You know what I love tolaminate now as a mom.
(24:36):
So I get it, but my kids geteverything wet and dirty and rip
, so I think lamination is mustbe illegal here.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
Illegal what I don't know, I'm just saying it's a
long way from schooling.
It's wasteful, it's notsustainable.
You don't see elimination doneso when we travel these days,
you let the kids have thedevices at a certain point,
right.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
Well, sometimes you know I want peace in the car and
a device is a great way.
I'm not going to lie, I meanthey drive me crazy sometimes
you know, you experiencedfirsthand.
Yeah, oh my gosh, they, they.
I keep getting loud environmentnotification on my watch
because you should hear themsing all the time as soon as
(25:24):
they get home.
They're really into hittinghigh pitch lately and it's so
loud.
They do it over and over andover and over and they, they're
not, first of all, not hittingthe pitch and, second of all,
they just keep doing it over andover and over because they're
not doing it right oh, I'm justlike oh my god but I'm sure we
were kind of like that too,considering there were three of
(25:46):
us.
Speaker 4 (25:46):
Yeah, but I I bet you guys don't remember that you,
you guys didn't let me sing likecertain parts of the song
because that's how you guysdon't remember that you, you
guys, didn't let me sing likecertain parts of the song
because that's how you guystreated me.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
Oh man, you poor thing like what do you mean?
Speaker 3 (25:59):
like such as what?
Like high parts?
Speaker 4 (26:02):
you know the parts that you know it's fun to yeah,
the main part allowed to singlike I wasn't allowed to
participate.
Oh god, no.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
I don't remember that if we went back now like
without any phones, right?
Do you think that kids aregonna have withdrawals?
Do you think we'll havewithdrawals?
Speaker 3 (26:22):
I guess a lot of people work these days online
well again, I think if everyonein the world was deviceless, we
were all on the same page.
I think it's manageable.
Speaker 4 (26:34):
Yeah, that's what I thought too, because everyone
has to figure it out.
Speaker 3 (26:37):
We're all on the same page with okay, I need to get
ahold of this person, but theycan't get ahold of me either.
So we'll figure it out, kind ofthing.
But if it's just us, obviouslywe're going to struggle.
People are going to be like Iemailed you, I texted you, I
called you, Like what's going on.
Why are you not responding?
Speaker 4 (26:55):
Yeah, yeah, I feel the same way.
If, like, no one had theirphones, then I'd be okay with it
.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
Yeah, you know, I have to say, the kids are not as
creative, for sure, when youtake your devices away and tell
them okay, go play, do free play.
Okay, go play, do free play.
They're not very they're,they're not very creative with
their imagination, like I knowthat at school anyway, when I'm
there, um, if they play outsidea lot of times, first of all
they complain and I'm like okay,it's recess, you want to play
(27:22):
outside?
Speaker 1 (27:23):
No, I want to be on the computer inside.
Speaker 3 (27:24):
I want indoor recess.
What, no, like you got to getit out, you know, out of you.
And then when they go outside,if there's no playground, if
they're assigned in an area toplay where there's no playground
, they don't know what to dowith themselves.
There's nothing to do.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
Do you think because they're used to rely on the?
Speaker 3 (27:42):
computer?
Yes, I think so, and then I'veshowed them.
Oh, you can do like long jumps,you know we can mark it and see
who can you know jump from herethe longest, and you know they
all would get into it, or youknow.
It's just crazy, though, thatthey can't think of these things
at all yeah at all becausethat's all we did that's all.
Yeah, that's what we did when wewere growing up, do you guys?
(28:04):
Remember when, when it was funand they were kids, we literally
played on the road, like infront of our house with our
neighbors.
Yeah wait, who, simi?
Were you just saying recentlythat we would draw like with
water, or what did you saysomething about?
Speaker 4 (28:20):
okay.
So there were a lot of thingsthat we played which apparently
you two don't remember.
Kick the can game you knowwhere one person would oh yeah,
yeah, you said protect the canthat's a fun, and the kids will
go and hide well, tomo, maybeyou can.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
You can let the girls um play the games you used to
play.
Speaker 3 (28:42):
See if it's fun yeah, you gotta explain it.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
So then one person would be in charge of protecting
the can and everyone else wasthis to hide and I remember this
, yeah, and then somebody had tocome out and kick it before
they got caught, you get taggedokay yeah, I remember that game
there were a lot of games thatwe played on the road, and I
think we made them up too thanksfor joining us today.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
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Speaker 1 (29:23):
John it Bye.
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