Returning Back to Self After Periods of Hardship & Making Art About It: Dive in with Jada Jones

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(00:00):
Where I have to put my money, where my mouth is and show up as
confident even if I don't feel like it.
I have to show up and tell my story even when my voice is
shaking and crumbling and literally can't move because my
mouth is cracking. Like I'm telling you.
I was like, it's almost like my higher self was always there
with me. Like being like guide, like hit
the record button. Say what you need to say.

(00:26):
When I think about the people onthe Internet right now that I'm
actually truly inspired by that,I'm seeing the words that
they're putting out, they're, they're sharing the wisdom from
their soul. And I'm like, oh, I'm actually
interested in that. Like that's actually unique.
I think about this person. I think about this one person.
That's why I needed to have her on the podcast so badly because
she has been the most beautiful example of radical vulnerability

(00:52):
on the Internet, even when it's incredibly difficult to do.
And everybody needs to know her.Everybody needs to know her.
And skinny dipping listeners, you may listen to her podcast or
follow her on TikTok, but I can't wait to just dive into
this conversation today around healing and artistry and

(01:13):
vulnerability and visibility andcreation.
I'm just, I couldn't be more excited.
Skin dipping listeners who is ready to strip down and dive in.
Welcome the beautiful, the incredible Jada Jones.
Welcome to the podcast. Hello, hello.
That was quite literally one of the most beautiful intros ever.

(01:34):
I was like, it's oozing just like stardom.
I was like, hello. Like I I feel so special here.
And honestly, this is such an honor being a fan of your
podcast for so long and just seeing all the things that you
talk about and how honest you get on this podcast.
I'm like, you are also truly oneof the people that I am super,
super inspired by on the Internet.
So what an honor. I'm so happy to be here, thank

(01:55):
God. Thank God we have each other.
And like that's how I feel aboutso many of my other creator
friends that I follow because somuch of the Internet at this
point is so repetitive when I see people who are sharing like
your sub stacks right? Like just genuine, real,
authentic thought. I'm like, thank God somebody,
somebody is out here sharing thoughts that are unique.

(02:17):
You know, I don't know if you found that on the Internet, but
I just feel like I'm craving uniqueness and realness and
things I haven't heard before. No, absolutely.
I, I don't know. I feel like I go back and forth
with it all day long and I I think I'm sort of in this
transition period right now to just, well, I guess back story,
I started YouTube in 2015. So like, I feel like, like I was

(02:39):
in middle school on the Internetfor no goddamn reason that I
should have called the Internet for.
But I was on the Internet creating content because I was
so inspired by, you know, the O GS you got the Alicia Marie's,
the Bethany Moto's, the juicy star O 7's.
Like all of the people who were just kind of paving the way for
beauty to be something that people can profit off of.
Not just like beauty companies, but actual just people talking
about their love of makeup and lifestyle and and getting

(03:03):
Aeropostale deals. Like it was it was insane.
It was an insane time and I feellike the.
Golden Age of YouTube. Truly the 20/15/2016.
Absolutely overly saturated content like that was what I was
here for. And to an extent, obviously a
lot of that was performative. Like, you know, the day in my
life's morning routines where you wake up and definitely don't
do what you do in your morning routine.
And then then it just sort of like pivoted and I've just, I've

(03:25):
just loved watching the space evolve.
I feel like now it's like when people see authenticity,
sometimes it can, it's hard to decipher if something is
authentic because so much of it this performative, even like
street interviews that we think are authentic, but like there's
someone's team reached out because they know that this
would be great for visibility and great for PR.
And so many things are just likestories.

(03:46):
You know, I'm also in the world of Hollywood as an actor and
like, I feel like all of it is just, you know, there's so much
movie magic that gets lost for me as an actor because I watch
what's on the screen and I'm like, well, I know that's not
real. I know all the shit that's like
went into that. And even reality shows that seem
so scripted or not scripted scripted are scripted.

(04:06):
And I feel like there's this fine line of trying to figure
out how people are trying to be authentic and trying to share
organic raw thought and I think.Podcast.
It's like almost. The best, Yeah.
So I love. Your podcast for?
That, yeah. The long form content, honestly,
I would love to dive into a little bit of your back story
for people who don't know you, because when I was listening to

(04:27):
your voice memo, I was like, wow, wow.
Because I didn't really realize.I didn't really know through
your content that I followed so far that you are so much of an
artist in your daily life and that the dreams are actually
like, like they when you were saying when you were younger, it
was like to be on Broadway like,and then like, you know, being

(04:48):
on stage and making art and being on the screen.
And I relate to that so much. Like I am a theatre kid and
through like that until I heard your.
Like, she's a dancer too. I was like, she's literally me.
I was like wait this is so fun. No, I literally grew up like
every single summer doing musical theater summer camp.
I was always in the theater productions.

(05:09):
I danced every single day of my life.
I also like did piano up until Iwas 15 and like, yeah, singing
music, dance theater. That is my.
What's your favorite musical? Oh my.
God, Oh my God. Oh my God.
I just put. You on the spot right now right
now honestly music wise like next to normal like just has my
heart like the. Invisible Girl.

(05:32):
Like honestly, but I mean, there's so many different ones.
It just depends in like the era that I'm currently in, like I
definitely went through such a big like Mean Girls face for
like so long. But what I was so inspired about
your voice memo is that you weresaying, OK, a little bit of back
story. You kind of blew up on the
Internet because of your journeyhealing with TSW.

(05:56):
OK. Can you tell us a little bit
about that? Because it wheeze into the story
of you stepping into this momentand reclaiming yourself as
everything else that you are besides this one version, this
one-dimensional version of yourself that the Internet is
seeing versus everything that you are, everything you've ever
been. So give us a little bit of back

(06:18):
story. On that, I'd always struggled
with the skin condition called eczema growing up.
It was something that I was bornwith and kind of had mildly
throughout, you know, middle school, high school.
People who don't have skin conditions won't know that
eczema is really exacerbated by like stress and just like
periods in your life. It's a really, if you look at it
from a spiritual lens, eczema can be seen as like, as a

(06:39):
spiritual, as like a spiritual battle as well, you know, and I
really believe in all of that and when it comes to healing and
whatnot. But I think in middle school or
high school, I decided to go to the dermatologist because my
skin was starting to get worse. And I listened to your podcast
too. And I can relate to just was
always on as a kid, always straight A is always on stage,

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always doing the most, always having the most packed schedule
and feeling a sense of purpose through accomplishments and
being the best and being a star.Like I understand that that was
my life, you know, And so I was a stressed girly, OK, and my
skin definitely resonated with that.
And by the time I got to high school, my hands were sort of
out of control when it came to my eczema.

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My cuts were getting worse and it typically got worse during
winter seasons and winter months.
So that was sort of the extent of eczema, right?
Like it affected my life. Working out sometimes hurt and I
was dancing for multiple hours, but I just like kept pushing
through Eczema's not that big ofa deal.
Like that's sort of what societytells us when we go through skin
conditions, you know, whether ifit's acne or even Cellulite or

(07:43):
even postpartum, like skin is just very overlooked because
it's sort of this visual aesthetic thing.
And when someone looks at you, they kind of just feel the need
to be able to tell you, oh, put some lotion.
Oh, clean up your diet. But it's really not that simple.
Like skin conditions are not like that.
So when I went to the dermatologist, I was prescribed
with topical steroids. And people don't know what that

(08:04):
is, especially if you haven't been through anything like that.
But if you don't have a skin condition, what you would get
prescribed A topical steroid foris if, say you were out in the
forest frolicking around as one woman does, and you get Poison
Ivy, right? And so you have a rash, a
reaction wherever on your body, and you're like, oh, this looks
bad. I should go to the
dermatologist. Skin people, right?

(08:24):
They're probably going to prescribe you a topical steroid.
And essentially, it looks like Vaseline before it comes in a 2,
but it's a prescribed medication.
So it doesn't seem that like crazy when you're putting it on
your body. You do just witness your skin
healing extremely, extremely fast though.
And this is because topical steroids suppress the
inflammation system. And so for people who deal with

(08:46):
skin conditions like eczema, topical or not, topical steroid
withdrawal, sorry, eczema, rosacea, like whatever you're
going. To It's like a fake Band-Aid,
kind of. Correct, correct.
Like it's, it's like birth control, like birth control is
not a real period. Actually, and so when we go to
these dermatologists, they're giving us the first line of
defense that medical school taught them to give.

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And it's not really from this holistic lens of cleaning up
your diet, of getting sunshine, of reducing stress, of, you
know, eliminating negative energies.
And you're like, it's not like that, right?
And so topical steroid is an iatrogenic condition and
iatrogenic means that it stems from a medication.
So this condition should have never happened to me.

(09:26):
It should have never happened toanyone who's currently going
through it. And as of right now, there's an
estimated over 3 million people going through it just in the
United States alone. I was on topical steroids for
around 6 to 8 years. Many people who go through this
condition go through this condition because they were on
it for like 25 years as prescribed, using it on their
face daily, using it on their body daily, using it however

(09:49):
their doctor prescribes. And the wacko part about big
pharma as well and just dermatologist practice, you
know, and doctors and everythingis that the education isn't
regulated around topical steroids.
So what that means is that you'll have a dermatologist in
Wyoming telling you the exact way to use it, which is like you
should be using it on a little dime size amount, not even or

(10:11):
pea size, sorry, not dime size, pea size amount on areas like
and then taking breaks, you know, and whatever.
But people who get even the right education around it can go
through TSW and you have other dermatologists elsewhere telling
you to slather it on your body, which is not what you're
supposed to do at all. And so like I said, there's a

(10:31):
lot of nuance around this condition.
And it's really unfortunate because I didn't have medical
help going through this. I went through this 1000% solo
and all of the treatment that I seek and went to go do for
myself with stuff that I researched that I did for my
body that I'm currently still doing, for my body to continue
to heal. And it was just an even more

(10:54):
solo journey that I didn't want to take by choice but had to
like to heal my body. Totally.
I mean, I'm sure after feeling like betrayed from like the
system and from like the doctorsthat like set you up for that,
like it's like, why would you goback to them?
Like, you know, you're like, I'm, I'm going to figure out how
to heal myself. And I feel like that's the kind
of this journey that you've beenon publicly, publicly, which is,

(11:19):
which is this is when I mean theradical vulnerability because
like the fact that I haven't seen anybody else on the
Internet talk about it just shows like how like, how did you
even get to that place where youwere?
Like I want to share about my journey in healing that I.
Started going through this condition.
I was living in Los Angeles, so I was already there for about a

(11:39):
year and a half, fully pursuing acting, was fully auditioning,
like, had my life together, likefelt like I was on top of the
world, gaining momentum, about to possibly have a big break of
some sort. And all of that came crumbling
down the hell of motherfucking fast.
And so I started witnessing my body just sort of exploding.
And I took some time off of social media because I thought

(12:02):
it was just severe eczema. And so this is also the problem.
So we're told by dermatologists that when our skin gets worse,
it's our original condition, like getting worse.
And so, but I was like, I've never experienced eczema this
bad in my entire life. Like this cannot possibly be
eczema. And it started looking like
really bruised and splotchy all over my body.
And it was just like sort of this build up.
And I think the stress of not knowing what was happening to my

(12:23):
body as well was really stressing me out.
And when I started going throughthis, I had no idea it was CSW.
So like I said, severe eczema, right?
But then I don't really know what happened.
There was sort of just like Grayarea twilight zone matter where
my partner and I were sitting here.
And I think we just finally accepted and knew that we
thought it was CSW. And once I started going through
TSW, I knew it was going to be along journey ahead.

(12:46):
I was like, this is about to be like a three to five year
process. And maybe it's the fucking
theater kid in me, but I was like, I'm kind of this is going
to be theatrical. I'm about to show this whole
journey from because. And OK, yeah, so maybe that's
it. Because I know a lot of people
and friends that I've talked to,they're like, Jada, I don't know
how you showed popped out and showed out and like talked about

(13:07):
this. But I was like, I think it's
because I always knew I was going to heal deep down, and I
wanted my story to be shown as something so authentic and
vulnerable. And I was never nervous that I
was ever going to stay there because I was like, it's just
impossible. The body is like meant to heal.
It was literally designed to heal.
It was supposed to be designed to heal before being on those

(13:27):
medications. So I'm going to trust the
motherfucking process, no matterhow scary it's going to look, no
matter how deep in that I think that this is going to be, my
body's going to heal. And I'm telling you, if y'all
saw me on the Internet, y'all wouldn't even like recognize me
now or even before like 5. Literally like you literally are
the healer. Like you literally healed

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(15:18):
better than a fucking doctor with a PhD can.
Literally. No, Literally.
Yeah. I was at the lowest of my low.
Like I said, I was coming off ofso many highs being in LA.
Like I moved out there at 19 andprior to that, before COVID, I
was in New York like auditioningfor Broadway and just like
getting a team and getting myself together.
And this is all without a college degree, all just with a

(15:39):
girl that had guts, you know? And I didn't come from parents
who had money or anything like that.
So I was making my way as a livein nanny in New York and then
out in Lai was working for all these startups, like doing
social media stuff. And I was just using everything
that I had to get to where I wanted to be.
And then something like this just came out of nowhere.
And I was so frustrated. And I think the perfect way to

(16:01):
explain it is just feeling like you're going through the stages
of grief. Like, you genuinely lose your
body. Like you go through, you know,
denial. You're like, this literally
can't be happening to me. And then it's just like pure
anger at doctors, at your body for betraying you.
You go through bargaining. And you're like, I would
literally trade being in jail for a year to like, not go
through this. Or, you know, can you just think

(16:23):
about all the things that you would trade in order to like,
not go through something like that?
Even sitting here right now, it's almost like I'm being like
Everything Everywhere all at once, like shifting and seeing
like all these versions of myself sitting here.
And it's like, honestly really fucking emotional because I'm
just like, I can't believe that I actually made it like here
knew that hiding wasn't going tobe an option for me.

(16:43):
I was like, you're going to dealwith so much more scrutiny the
more and more that you continue to move forward in this
industry. And I'm like, this is like the
perfect testament. All of the words that I used to
say when I thought I was on the top of the world when I was 17
and 19 doing all these crazy things.
This is the biggest challenge where I have to put my money
where my mouth is and show up asconfident even if I don't feel

(17:04):
like it. I have to show up and tell my
story even when my voice is shaking and crumbling and
literally can't move because my mouth is cracking.
Like I'm telling you, I was like, it's almost like my higher
self was always there with me being like guide, like hit the
record button, say what you needto say.
Like talking me through it because I don't like, I look at
those videos now #1 traumatizing#2 don't know where she got the

(17:27):
strength. Because now as I'm healing,
there's this weird feeling of like, I'm, I'm more scared to
talk now with an audience because I'm like, oh wow, Like
that, that like actually happened than when I was in the
pits of it, you know? So it's just, it's really weird
nuance. And no, honestly, like I, I know
that like this being like, you know, a time that you're fully

(17:47):
debriefing all of this must be so much.
And like, I just want to say like, thank you so much for like
diving into it so we can like fully understand like.
Context is important. Context is so incredibly
important. And honestly, something that you
said in your voice memo that I feel that I just really want to
dive into is that, you know, youstarted sharing the story,

(18:09):
right? And it really was well received.
People felt very connected to you in some way, even like they
could directly relate to you with TSW or they just like felt
inspired by you in other ways. And now you being like, OK, but
there's so many other aspects ofme like I'm a multi dimensional
being. I'm an artist.

(18:30):
I have all these dreams. Like let's shift gears to that.
Like how are you? How are you processing like, you
know, kind of blowing up for onething, because I can honestly
relate, right, Because I know, Iknow the exact video, the exact
thing that somebody wants me to say that's going to get me that
viral video, right? Like at this point, I know it's
a it's a math equation like, butthe truth is like we're so much

(18:54):
more than that. And I think so many artists get,
you know, looped into the content creator space because we
love creating and we want to be seen and we want, you know, to
have eyes on us, you know, as artists as.
And I think both of us were drawn to the space because of
our natural need to want to perform and be out there in the

(19:15):
world and be seen by others. And I relate to this so much
too. It's like, how are you
processing? Like the shifting of gears and
just being like, OK, like this one thing does like this was a
big part of my life. This was a big part of my early
20s. And at the same time, like I am
so much more than all of this and I want to be so much.
I want other people to see that too.

(19:37):
What is your what is your mentallike thought process that's
going on right now? Yeah, thank you so much for
that. Yeah, cuz honestly, this is what
I wanted to talk about. And this is something that's so
important to me and so importantfor me to want other people with
other chronic conditions and chronic illnesses to see too.
Because as much as I love socialmedia for being able to share

(19:57):
the dark lows and, you know, thereal journey of our conditions
and whatnot, I just want people to realize that we are so much
more than that. Like, yes, we're healing, but we
are so much more than our conditions.
And I know that going through something, you know, as gruesome
even as cancer, right? And then you make a cancer page
for yourself. It's like.
Yes, it's your identity, but it's not your full identity.
And Oh my gosh, your episode about reclaiming wholeness

(20:20):
sticks in my heart all the time because I literally think about
that episode now at least a few times a week.
Because I really think about allthe parts of me that aren't even
just like the good parts, really.
Like really the parts of me thatlike crave to be seen for my
work again. And I don't know what happened
during the process of TSW. Like I said, still processing so
much of that shit and don't really know what to say about

(20:41):
that, but I do. Know and you don't need to.
Yeah. But I will say, like, I do know
somewhere along the way during TSW, something like shifted in
me and like, words that I've never said to myself before,
things along the lines of, you know, maybe you deserve this.
Maybe maybe suffering like is the way forward because you need

(21:02):
to feel the suffering of the world because you were.
So, you know, I grew up, yeah, not with a lot of money, but
with parents that fucking love me and people that encourage my
dreams. And now I have a partner that's
supporting me wholeheartedly through TSW.
While some people don't have jobs and some people are single
mothers going through TSW, losing their kids to Child
Protective Services because they're not able to take care of

(21:23):
it. Like I was just like, I am such,
you know, I'm in such a gratefulspot that I must go through
suffering as long as possible. So fucked.
Like, but it was just sort of something that the body tricks
you and the mind tricks you intobelieving.
And you know, and I know so manypeople believe this in other
capacities, whether if they're going through depression or, or

(21:44):
anxiety or so many other mental health problems.
It's like you kind of trick yourself into believing that
this is what you deserve, somehow, some way, I.
Don't or like you're like, oh, maybe I need like need to go
through this like because like, you know, I can in that way, you
know, with my mental health, I'mjust like, Oh well, maybe I
really needed to experience thislike 3 month long depression
because like I'm supposed to help other people, but it's like
wait, no, I feel like I'm gasping but.

(22:05):
Also not and you fully are and we all are and I don't know.
Again, like I said, don't know when those thoughts started
happening, but I think as you know, so many of us can relate
to like literally having to cover the mirrors in our house
going through this condition because it's so scary to see
this like deformed version of yourself that you don't
recognize on the physical shell.And, you know, you feel

(22:26):
genuinely like trapped in your body, like your soul is just
gone for so much. And so I think you really do
just start convincing yourself that this is the life, this is
the way forward. And so there was a point where I
honestly was like, I don't thinkacting is the way I think I
should just like in, in, for lack of better words, just like
be humble and like, deal with this and then you can just help

(22:47):
people coach through this. And so while I was in Thailand,
I was like, I was like, let's live here in Thailand.
We literally signed A2 year lease.
We were staying in Thailand. We were going to be there for
two years. And I was just going to focus on
my coaching practice because in 2023, I got life coaching
certified and I was like, this is the way forward.
I'm going to help people and notsaying that I can, you know,
stop helping people, but like that is definitely what I want
to do, but. It was, but it's like what

(23:09):
dreams? Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
And I was like, I convinced myself somewhere along the way
that my dreams weren't importantanymore and the things that I
once loved, like had a place in time.
But right now, I need to dedicate my life to helping
others. And as soon as I started, like,
I got my website ready, I launched, I did everything.
I launched my program only for it to like literally feel so
against my spirit. I don't even know how to explain

(23:30):
it, but I was like, this is beautiful and wonderful in
theory, but there is so much like a version here and I just
felt it in my gut and my chest and my brain.
I was like I started taking calls with people and it's like
heartfelt as I felt. It felt like I was on the like
the verge of like dying every single.
Time I talk to. Someone it was, yeah, it was
bad. And I was like, I was like, what
am I doing here? I was like, I thought I was

(23:51):
ready. I was ready to just like use
everything I've learned in coachand like do the thing to like
help people because. But like, there's just so many.
Isn't it, Isn't it crazy though that like, I feel like people
like us, like who do have that natural urge to help people and
also that like entrepreneurial spirit and just like that
determination to create and like, you know, we're like, Oh
well, I have this interest in something and I'm really good at

(24:12):
it, so I should do it. And it's just like, that doesn't
always. Just because like you can
doesn't mean you should. And that's what happened if like
fully came crashing upon me because I was like, dude, this
is not it. I like remember sitting down
with my partner and I was like, Yo, I don't think this is what I
need to be doing right now. And he was like, yeah, he was

(24:33):
like, I know. And so I just have to really get
real for a second and be like, what do I want?
And my body was still pretty open wounded at the time, but I
was like, I know I'm healing. Healing is happening.
Healing is going to continue happening.
And these are things that you dojust have to keep telling
yourself along the process untilthey come into the physical
reality. And I think I told my partner

(24:54):
who also gave up the beginning of his career, he had just
freshly graduated to college when I started going through
TSW. The timing was kind of insane
and he we were like 8 months into our relationship.
We had already been through a lot of like hard stuff towards
the beginning of our relationship with crazy things
that happened, but this was likea whole testament different
testament to like going through a relationship and being there

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for someone. And I really did give him this
ultimatum to sort of just like, yo, you can bounce and dip if
you really want to. I like no hurt feelings.
Like of course I'm going to be hurt and this is going to suck,
but you can go and pursue your dreams.
Because I know unfortunately this I, this, I say that this
happened to me and not him. It would have never happened to
him. But I say that because I think

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that if I was in that position, I think that I would have in one
way selfishly like when to go pursue my career.
I would not have pursued love over my career.
And that was something that I hated myself so much for towards
the beginning of it. Cuz I'm like, he's pouring so
much of himself into me. And like, this is like the
reclaiming wholeness part that Iwant to like talk about.
Cuz it's like there's so many dark things and like things that

(25:57):
you know that you feel that you have to get real and honest with
yourself about. And like it hurt so much to know
that I was not ever going to be that in that place at that point
of my relationship to do that for someone.
And the fact that he did it for me and me not seeing the worth
of myself because I'm like, I have nothing.
No accomplishments to give you, no body to give you right now.
Literally no soul. No.

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And it was just, oh gosh, it wasjust a crazy time to be alive.
But he literally sacrificed the entire beginning of his acting
career. He's one of the most talented
actors that I know. And I know he's going to be a
big name one day. Like I wanted that.
And I sat there in Thailand and I was like, I want that for us.
And I know that once we pour back into ourselves, we're going
to be able to pour into people. Like we've never been able to

(26:40):
pour into people before. And I think that takes working
on us and focusing on us and giving us what we fucking
deserve. And I was like, I think we
should move back to the States. And I felt it so strongly and I
was like, we need to go after itright now.
I don't care. We're gonna do it.
And so here we are. So where?
Where are you right now? Yeah, I'm in Charlotte, NC right
now. I'm like, sort of like

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recalibrating my life and being with my family and just like
taking a little break after a crazy motherfucking year of
traveling. So much healing my body.
And since being back, my body has been great.
Like it has been, you know, so many people go home and flare,
and there's just so much that you have to fix with your
environment. Like Jay at the Thailand clinic,
he really stresses that that youhave to have your environment

(27:20):
primed for your healing. Still.
It can't be a place that is not good for your healing stress
wise, chemicals wise, like you have to be so pertinent and on
it. And I'm so happy to say that my
environment is supporting my healing.
And so I'm sort of like recalibrating my body to
Charlotte right now before we hopefully choose to move back to
LA. So we are just like really
getting ourselves set. I'm like finding.

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Rep again, like doing everything.
I mean, how fucking awesome is it that like you've gotten to
this point where you're like, I'm actually deserving of my
dreams and I'm deserving of pursuing my dreams and what I
desire. And you know, I thought my life
was going to go this one way fora second, but it's like, no,
like younger me knew, like younger me knew what I wanted

(28:05):
and like, I need to listen to her like, and I've been so in
that place too right now. Also, like I'm so grateful for
the podcast. I do want to take this like so
far, but I know there's so many other things that I want to do.
Like I want to create music thatthat's always been like my like,
love and like writing music and like playing like it's just
always been my love. And like all my friends know it.

(28:27):
All my friends are like, when's the album, babe?
When's the EP? It's just like something I'm so
private about. But I think the true reclaiming
of wholeness, like is being like, you know what?
Like I would be, I would be doing myself such a disservice
if I didn't actually pursue the things that I know that I really

(28:48):
desire, rather than like, maybe this thing that I thought was
the way. It's the difference between the
brain and the heart. This is what I this is the
difference I see. It's like the brain is like, oh,
but I could do like the coachingand it's like good money and I
feel passionate about helping people like this seems logical,
like Tyler seems like a cool place to live like, but then the
heart is like yearning for that thing.

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And anybody listening like I'm just asking you guys like, what
does your heart fucking actuallywant?
Like stop denying yourself of that just because your brain was
like, Oh, this could be a good, a good Plan B Like and it's like
there is no Plan B, No. Literally there was never a Plan
B for young Jada and I was like why did that change?
Because of TSWI was like, if anything, I hope this like

(29:30):
shifts you into a motherfucking Phoenix.
Because I'm telling you right now, based off of everything
that I've experienced in the past three years, I really don't
think anything could hurt me that bad.
Like you could, Hollywood, you could.
Conquer anything. Like literally anything.
Like after hearing your story with full nuance and context,
it's like you are a fucking powerhouse trader.
You literally could do literallyanything.

(29:52):
And I have no doubt that you're going to be on our screen so
soon. I literally when I was writing
the notes, like, you know, I said this before we hopped in
the call, I was like Jada Jones,Jada Jones.
I was like, there's no way you don't you have that name and you
don't end up famous. Like I'm sorry.
And sometimes I really, I think that with because Kayla Rose is
my middle name. But honestly, when I see my name

(30:13):
like written, I'm like Kayla Rose with the spelling and
everything. I'm like, there's no way that I
would be given that name and notmeant to be seen in visibility.
And that just gives me such thisconfidence boost.
And I'm just so proud of you. I know we don't fully know each
other and I've just known you from the Internet, but it's like
to see, it's like inspiring me right now to be like, OK, what

(30:35):
do I actually really want to do?And I think that's a question I
want like the viewers and listeners to tap into right now.
It's like, OK, what do you actually?
Want yeah, definitely, because Imean, like she said, like you
really are doing yourself a disservice and you're not able
to, you know, cuz me logically, like I said, like coaching,
right, helping people, not something that I don't want to
stop doing, but I was giving up what I like, desire in order to

(30:59):
like succumb to what I thought is right.
Because, you know, it's the dutiful thing to do.
It's the empath thing to do. But I'm like, I can't pour from
a glass empty, you know, like I'm going to fill myself out by
doing this. And then that overflow will be
like that overflow will show itself, you know?
And I feel like honestly, that'ssuch like a conditioning from

(31:20):
society being like, oh, if I help other people, like, you
know, if I become like a nurse or something like that, like
that is the dutiful, dutiful thing to do.
Like that is like the thing that, you know, it's going to
make me like a quote UN quote really good person.
But the truth is like, I genuinely believe that is like
such bullshit. Like I truly believe, like your
heart is calling to the stage and the screen and to be seen.

(31:41):
And that is the highest expression of what you can do
for the world because you have no idea.
Like first of all, the reach, the visibility, like the ways
that you can help people by not even actually getting your hands
in their life. Like you don't have to actually
do anything with anybody to helpthem.
By literally you just existing as you are and living your life

(32:03):
as you desire. You are helping other people by
living the life that you want tolive.
You don't have to like intentionintentionally be like, I'm going
to like save the world, like actually by you living your
purpose, because everybody has adifferent purpose.
Not everybody wants to be seen like the way we want to be seen.
And I think that's what I had totell myself in order to accept

(32:25):
the way that I wanted reclaimingwholeness and reclaiming wanting
to be seen. Like in in my therapy sessions
with my first therapist, she would always tell me like, we
need to get your mind right so that you don't think that like
you wanting visibility and to beseen is like this bad thing.
She's like, you're meant to be known.
There's nothing wrong with knowing that you're meant to be

(32:47):
known and knowing that you need to pursue that path of being
seen. Like there's nothing wrong with
that. And it is actually doing a
service to the world to follow those bread crumbs.
Yes, yes, it freaking is, dude. And.
I feel like we're paralleling somuch.
We really are. Oh yeah, literally.
Yeah, yeah, I'm literally doing the artist way right now and I
know you've done it too. And girl, I'm like girl, you

(33:11):
know, Oh my gosh, we're literally gonna have to do like
a follow up episode like after Ifinish artist way and be like,
oh, what's changed? Cuz I'm telling you girl, it's
all come. It's all happening.
So I mean downloads like with the Artist Way.
So far I know Artist Way has reached a new level of
popularity because of Dochi which I love, which also like

(33:32):
Dochi Journey. Amazing.
Have you watched? Your videos on the artist way.
I haven't watched the artist wave videos.
I honestly like the moment that my friend showed like Midochi.
I was like, OK, she's like it. Like she like has it like the
way that she literally choreographed her entire
performance. I'm like, that's the kind of

(33:53):
artist. Vibes.
Too, Yeah. I mean, I feel like that's the
kind of artist that I am. Like I need my hands and
everything. Like, like when I'm an artist,
like when I'm, when I'm like in the studio with producers, it's
like, no, no, like it's like I need the hands on moment, like I
need to get my hands and everything.
And I think that's truly what itbeing an artist is, is just

(34:14):
wanting to create something so badly and just being like in the
desperate pursuit of it. Yeah, no, seriously, I I'm
trying not to watch all of her videos, like to like I guess
infiltrate my own journey. So I'm watching her videos like
she did a video every single week for the journey.
I watch it after I film my own video.
So I film like a weekly video tomyself, like sort of just like

(34:37):
explaining everything that's happened this week, like
whatever. And so she uploaded like a
whole, like it's like 24 minute videos like every single week,
like dive diving deep and last. Night.
I need to watch that. Too, I'm telling you, her week
2/1 was insane. She was like, I walked myself
into the to the studio and like like I was like determined to
ask him for a record deal right there and then and she was like
walked out by security and she was like, it's OK, Jayla, we're

(34:58):
not that's not the way in that right now.
Like she's literally like talking to herself and she's so
wild and like violent, like in the best, like violent in her
own nature. Like, yeah, she.
Just knew she was going to be someone.
And I just like felt my heart like about to explode, like
watching her talk with so much passion, knowing that she did
the mother fucking thing. And I was just like, yeah, it's
just destined like, first peoplewho, like, really have the

(35:21):
audacity to just put themselves center stage so.
Yeah, the relentless pursuit of it.
Yeah. Yeah.
What? Have you gotten any like core
downloads yet from your journey or where, where are you at right
now in your artist journey? Yeah.
Or do you have like a before theartist's way?
Did you already like have a practice like in a way that you
would show up or? No, I think I like fully got

(35:41):
lost spiritually throughout TSW and I mean, I journaled here and
there, but it wasn't consistent enough for me to be able to see
anything. I feel like the month of
January, I started before way before artist way this year.
I was like 30 days. I'm just going to journal every
day. And that realized that made me
realize, OK, I'm actually not asmentally ill as I thought.
Like it's funny as that is, I'm not even joking.

(36:03):
I like, I was like, OK, when I can slow down my thoughts and
not have them ruminating and like actually like feeling like
I'm a crazy person. I can talk myself down because I
know how to, I know how to. So I was like, you're in a
pretty good spot. And I think now with morning
pages too, I think it just allows me to fully be whole and
just say whatever I need to say and just do it.

(36:25):
And it actually helps so freaking much.
So I feel like the biggest. Thing I need to get back on my
morning pages you. Really.
Should they're? I like miss them so much.
Yeah, you should. I mean, even like Julia talked
about how she just does them just to do them.
And some people not even doing the artist way, like just do
them every single morning. And it's so great.
It really is so great. And you can really peer back
into your mind and watch. I'm sure if you read some old

(36:46):
morning pages right now, you'd be like, yo, like I'm living in
answered prayers. Like right now.
Yeah, it's wild. Like, you know, wow.
You just don't realize like all of that stuff when you're not
actively documenting your journey.
And I'm like, I, I'm so proud ofthe journey that I've been able
to document with TSW and even mylife, going to a performing arts
high school before that and showing all the shows that I was
in and, you know, showing what it looks like to pursue your

(37:08):
dreams. And I was like, I think I'm
returning back to YouTube. So that's like my biggest like
download right now. I'm like so long form oriented.
And I think TikTok was sort of this, you know, pit stop
destination that did get me reach invisibility, which I'm so
like grateful for. But there's something that never
really resonated with me when itcame to TikTok.
And don't, don't, don't get me wrong, I love a good the trend.

(37:28):
I love dances, I love all the fun stuff, but I think that's
what for me it needs to be for. I don't think I want to chase
this sort of like vlog style trying to like get as much
attention and reach as possible because I do want my journey to
be milked out and really just like shown in its authenticity
in its authenticity you. Know I'm so grateful, like right
now I'm in such this grateful space where because I just know

(37:49):
the pain that I experience when I'm not creating or when I don't
feel excited about anything and that type for a creator and for
an artist like to not feel excited about anything and just
genuinely being like what do I pour my energy into is the worst
feeling in the world. Feeling.
Yeah, but you can't force it. That's the thing.

(38:10):
Like you can't be like, oh, well, I'm going to force myself
back into this place. It's like it just has to be that
natural cycle of life where it'slike, OK, now is the time led to
just being. More.
Present. Yeah, not allowing the chaos of
the world and whatever the fuck administration is in office
right now. Like you really can't.
And it's like so many people were asking me and I was
starting to doubt my journey. I was like, why am I choosing to

(38:31):
move back to the US? Everyone saying it's terrible
and this and that and this is poison.
And I'm like, yeah, well, if I think that it's going to be
that. And I saw one of my favorite sub
stack writers, Camry Rose. She's also a rose.
And she had this whole quote. I need to send it to you.
But it was just perfect. She was like, I'm gonna like, I
don't give a fuck. Like, I just, I'm going to

(38:52):
pursue my dreams so fully right now that it doesn't matter what
recession we're in, what administration is in office.
She just, like, listed these things.
And I was like, hell motherfucking yeah.
I don't know what is trying to convince us, like with all the
media and the shock and awe strategy that every media
company is trying to, like, do to us.
But I don't care. Like, I am just, I know what I'm

(39:13):
meant to do here. And it doesn't matter if the
world is falling apart. Like we're gonna do it
relentlessly until we can't any longer.
Yeah. And honestly, the best artist
created when the world is falling apart anyway a
recessible. Thing babe, I'm like wait, the
artist are we need? Her now?
Yeah, the artists. Are like dancing to Lord in like
New York City. I don't know if you saw that
recently, but Lord like performed in Washington Square

(39:34):
Park and everyone was like singing and then they were
running and singing ribs down the street.
And I was like, God damn, we're in a recession.
Like that is the energy. But it's like, it's like, you
know, people need a reason to like want to be alive sometimes.
And it's like, you know, honestly, like this year, like
this last year, I like was one of the times that I felt the

(39:55):
most like financially stressed. I actually did talk about this
on the podcast and I realized like how much of an impact it
actually doesn't have on my mental health and my ability to
create because I'm like, oh, butI have to make money.
Oh, but I have to make money. Oh, but I have to make money.
And that's why I like my best advice for anybody feeling that
way is like, first of all, learna high value skill.
Like like this is my actual piece of advice that I've been

(40:15):
like wanting to scream from the rooftops.
It's like you need a high value skill.
You need something where you cango somewhere.
I did photography. That was what I did to support
myself before social media. And now I do social media, which
is also can be a high value skill, right?
One post you make like $1000. Like I would go out to
photography, I would make $500. Like you want to pick a skill?
I don't there's so many high value skills.

(40:37):
Literally just go to ChatGPT, ask ChatGPT, what are like 10
high value skills based on what you know about me.
These are my guests. Like please learn something that
you can charge $100.00 an hour, $200.00 an hour, like this high
value skill versus like, you know, being like, oh, but I have
to work for like, you know, and then by creating that free, I'm
like, I realize like I do need that like root chakra support of

(41:00):
like stability and knowing that I'm actually like, OK and secure
and safe. And that's a.
Great artist. Like it's terrible.
I don't want to know. We're boxing you.
I cannot. No, I want to create from a
place of like root chakra support and security and knowing
I am like safe and that like, you know, getting, you know,
this week, like I'm getting paidby my management and like seeing

(41:23):
that e-mail and being like, Oh my God, thank God.
Like, like I'm like, 'cause like, you know, in the social
media world, we get paid like 30, sixty, 90 days afterwards.
And I'm like, first of all, how the fuck do I budget?
And and then it's like, how do Ibe creative when I'm like in
survival mode? And that's why a high value
skill is key. And also giving yourself like

(41:44):
acceptance in the process. You don't have to force yourself
to be creative, but doing something like, you know,
showing up for your morning pages will start to stimulate
that part of your brain. So it's both and, right, we can
do things, we can do things thatwill help us, but also we can't
force ourselves through the cycles.
So honestly, I've just been learning so much around my
creative process lately and whatI need to like feel creative and

(42:07):
to show up. And, and also I thought for a
long time that I needed nothingness like to get creative
downloads to the point where I didn't fill my life with much.
Like I was just like, so in my own world and isolated.
And then I was like, Oh my God, I asked, I had like this human
design girl on my podcast. You guys either heard this

(42:29):
before or yeah, human design. So cool.
And I asked her, I was like, what if I don't know what I'm
excited about? And she was like, increase your
inputs. She's like, go to that class, go
to that workshop, talk to that person in the coffee shop.
She's like, give the universe anopportunity to show you.
Exactly. Yes, I was literally about.
To get you're. So yeah, that's it.

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That's. The case and so I've also been
realizing in my creative processI need a lot of inputs like I I
love I when I'm listening to podcasts, reading books, like
that's input. But also talking to people on
the streets, like asking people about their life, going to a
workshop, like going to a class,like anything that just like
puts you in an opportunity to like be inspired.

(43:11):
Yeah. I don't know if you can relate
to that at all. Oh.
My God, yes, 1000% Like you really have to allow the
universe to be there for you. And you know, it's sort of this
like law of action meets law of assumption sort of thing.
Like you assume what you are andyou kind of follow in the
footsteps of what that person would do.
And then I'm telling you, it just all happens.
Like naturally. I mean, I just got back from

(43:32):
Thailand and I feel like all theducks are like lining up in a
row to a point where it's almostscaring me.
And I'm like, we're in the self sabotage era.
And I'm like, no, we're actuallynot.
We're killing it. And this is just the era that I
get to live in right now. And I'm gonna enjoy it for what
it is because you never know. I mean, suffering is bound to
happen. Obstacles are about to happen,
but it really is how we move through those pain and that

(43:54):
suffering and continue to createthroughout the process.
And as an artist, that is so, soimportant.
Despite whatever we're going through, like bad things are
going to happen, you know, So like really just enjoy the good
moments when they're good, you know, so.
Yeah, exactly. And I get so scared, you know,
like, waiting for the other shoeto drop rather.
Yeah. And I think it's such a practice
of showing up in that presence of being like, OK, like I can

(44:18):
enjoy this moment. It actually is really good right
now. Like, let's lean into this.
Do you feel like you making the decision like not like obviously
you're not even in LA yet, like you're not even fully in like
the fullness of like what you'reabout to go into yet you're
still in like the precipice of it.
But do you feel like even just making the decision to commit to

(44:40):
your art, like change something in you?
Oh. 1000% When I bought those tickets, I started living more
fully in Thailand. But but but before that, I felt
like I was kind of shackled to Thailand and I was like, oh,
this is 2 years. And I was just like not spending
my day. But then when I knew it was like
a fine night, I'm going to be leaving.
That ticket is booked. I started going out.
I started hanging out with friends.

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I started doing stuff. And I was like, oh, life could
actually be great here. And Chris was like, oh, who
would have thought? My partner Chris.
Yeah. He was like, yeah, I've been
forcing you to like get out. Like I've been wanting you to
get out. And like, I guess it took like
knowing that I was coming back to, to, to feel that, like to
feel that this was going to be finite and leaving was so like
bittersweet because, Oh my gosh,the White Lotus is coming out.

(45:21):
And we like started the season in Thailand, ended the season
here in America. And we're just like, what did we
do? But I'm like, we can always
visit there again. We're again, we're in our early
20s. I'm like, we have so much time,
but so much wow. Our bodies are supporting us
right now and we're supporting us right now.
And we're strong. Like, let's go after our dreams.
We are OK and safe to go after our dreams.

(45:41):
And we are wholly supported by all of our friends, all of our
family. Like we have nothing to lose.
And that's what Doshi stressed onto.
She's like, I don't got anythingto lose.
And I'm like, we got nothing to lose as.
Well, I love that it does feel like something totally shifting
you making that decision. And I'm just so excited to see
you dive in deeper to your craftand into your art and just

(46:02):
getting back into like the auditioning world and everything
and calling back that part of your soul.
And I hope everybody listening today is like feeling inspired
the way I am, because I think itjust shows like when we're not
listening to ourselves, it's that's one of the main things
that I think causes depression, like is when we actually ignore

(46:26):
ourselves and we ignore what we want because in that every time
we ignore ourselves, we disrespect ourselves.
And I think that can lead to like the shame spiral.
For example, like one of my bestfriends, you know, she was
really struggling with mental health.
Like she was like debating leaving her partner.
She ended up leaving his ass like, because he was not like
being the partner that she needed.

(46:47):
And like a couple months later Iwas like, girl, how you doing?
She's like the depression left my body when I listened to
myself, she's like, I literally feel happier.
And I feel like I can act because I'm listening to myself
and what I need. And for me, like I, I can be
like the same as you for like different reasons, but I can be
like, Oh, I want to stay inside or like, and then my partner,

(47:09):
like Kayla, you need to get out of the house every single day
and like be social. Like this is what lights you up.
This is what you know makes you who you are.
But I was feeling like I needed to be in this like hermit
internal, like healing mode. And it's just like no more
because that was actually me like ignoring and avoiding what
I actually need, which what I need is to like sign up for
classes, be in community, talk to people like that is.

(47:32):
What actually so parallel? Oh my God.
No, I know every time, the wholetime you were talking the whole
podcast, I was like, we are paralleling even though we're
like going through so many different things.
We didn't tell them we're twinning.
We're literally twinning. Like I know if.
You guys are watching the video.We showed up in cute frills and
in our little like cute little blue tops.

(47:54):
But yeah, I realize I, I think what I'm getting from this
podcast and this take away is like, Oh my God, when you listen
to yourself, like life feels better.
Like we can actually, like do more when we just like listen to
ourselves and act versus like holding ourselves back, you
know, and, and I think there is a time and place, you know, for
a little bit of like a, a pity party, like, but I honestly need

(48:18):
the pity party. Like sometimes when I'm in my
pity, I'm like, how how many days do we need?
Babe? I'm like, OK, I'll give myself
the weekend. Like you can complain all
weekend. You can be like, this sucks, I'm
pissed, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
And then after the weekend, we move on, like, and obviously,
like, you know, it's never just moving on.
Like we might come back to it, but it's like, like we said

(48:39):
before, like appreciating it in this moment.
Yeah, Yeah. 1000. Percent yeah.
And I love that like art, you know, I feel like the first half
and like hearing everything you experience and like, you know,
having to like almost like relive that through the sharing
of it and just like that heaviness and then like
switching and like being able totalk about like the art and
body. Reasonably, like lit up, like

(49:00):
when I was starting to talk about that, like, it's just
crazy. Your body will tell you, dude.
Like it's, yeah, it's insane, yeah.
Literally like the way that the energy shifted and you just like
felt so much more like excited about everything you were
talking about. And I just think this is such a
beautiful example that it's justlike guys pour into your fucking
art, like decide what you actually want and actually just

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go after it in the relentless pursuit of it.
Because this is the time. Honestly, this is this is the
time we're in our 20s and even people in their 30s, even people
in their 40s. 40s literally I'm like.
This is I don't care like this is the time.
This is the time. Whatever time it is right now,
it's the time. Whatever time it is.

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So So what is your like intention stepping forward into
the way that you share in the world?
Obviously YouTube more long form, but what is the way that
you're really going to like claim this like
multidimensionality of who you are and start sharing all of
that? Yeah, I think, dude, I'm just so
inspired by Doji. I mean, she has more videos on
her channel, like YouTube style,like fully like, hey guys, it's

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like Doji like literally like those kind of videos.
And I'm telling you, it's insane.
Like I watched the a vlog of hers yesterday after the Week 2
video and she was just saying a day in her life as an artist and
she sits here, you know, talkingwith her little, you know, self
and her Bob and everything. And she's like today, you know,
I like went to these producers. I like, and then she's like
vlogging her, like going to try on some outfits and shooting
stuff like on a small scale. But it was just so powerful

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because she was just showing up and I was like, dude, to see
that it paid off in the way thatit has is just like ridiculous.
So I don't think like there's any embarrassment and there's no
embarrassment. There's no what I mean, like
I've already been as vulnerable and like literally we skinny
dipped my entire way through like literally on TikTok,
literally like I've stripped down so much already.

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Like quite literally that I, I am so bare.
Like this is who I am and I'm going to show up.
I don't care if a post gets 50 likes 60.
I don't. I really don't care.
Like I really. You have to not care.
You have to not care. You have to not be afraid to be
seen trying. I'm like, I've already done it
in like my deepest, most raws form and I'm so tired of being

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seen for just my struggle. I'm so ready for people to see
the phoenix literally rise from the ashes and also have a story
to tell. So I'm like, I'm not deleting my
old videos. I'm letting it stay on the
Internet. I'm letting people know where I
came from because I'm telling you that's just going to be a
testament to my story when it when it does what it does.
Like how you're looking back at Doji's videos and you're like,
Oh my God, she made it. This is her process.

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And like, being willing to be seen in the process is so
fucking beautiful. And I think the people that are,
yeah, the people that are willing to be seen trying and
also trying and failing is like,they're the people that are
going to be successful 100%. Like like, yeah, like and we
have the yeah. And that's it, honestly.

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And and that's it, folks. No, but honestly like that's.
I just relate so much to that and I'm so ready to see you show
up in all of that in the Phoenix.
And also like in astrology, like23 is such a big year.
Did you just? Go 23 Yes.
OK, Yeah, they. Say it's a big year, it's a hard
year, it's a this year it's. A wow, it's like, well, it's the
12 house perfection year, which basically means that.

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All my last year doing like almost all the stuff.
So I'm like, I think this year could be like good, like in like
a good way. So we'll see.
And 12th house perfection year doesn't have to be hard.
It can actually be like super mystical and it can like relate
to like your past lives and you know, also like your purpose.
And it's just a recalibration. Honestly.

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The 12th house perfection year is a recalibration of who you
are meant to be moving forward in this next 12 year cycle.
And it can be hard for a lot of people.
It was a hard year for me, I'm not going to lie.
But but with that being said, also, it's funny because in your
11th house house year, like whenlike that's like how you're

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seeing on like social media and community and like it's just
crazy that like things like taking off in that year, so much
for you online and being seen invisibility and in bigger ways.
But it's like you're at this perfect time of recalibration.
So it's like it's a perfect timeto like pivot, you know, like
you are not held to anything that you were.

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And it's just, it's, it's so cool that it is a part of your
story, honestly, because you didhelp so many people just by
existing, just by literally. You and that's the goal, dude.
I'm like, it's so nice to just witness like even Emma
Chamberlain coming back into herYouTube days, like she is
blogging now and she's just so herself, so authentically
herself, despite wherever how far she's gone.

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Like she just shows up like and just is.
And I'm like, wow, to be paid toexist.
That is going on my forehead, myvision board, my sticky note.
Like my ass, I get. Paid to.
Exist everywhere, yes. I'm like it's going everywhere.
And that's just so, that's just so the vibes right now.
That's it, yeah. Yeah, no, I, I love that.

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And and I and I love also knowing when it's OK to like,
you know, move on from somethingas well.
Like, because I think other people in your position may be
like, oh, but like, you know, because I know that, you know,
this is performing well. Like I'm going to keep going
with it. But just knowing that your soul
is done and that's not what you want anymore.
Like that in itself, like takes so much bravery to be like, OK,

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like new chapter, like new way of presenting myself and just
trusting like, like it will all continue.
And the more that you're authentic to yourself in this
current moment, like, the more visibility you will have.
Like, it's just inevitable. What is your message to just
your younger self, your current self and your grandma self in

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this moment? And that's how we'll finish up
today. Yes, OK, My younger self, I'm
going to try and make it as quick as possible.
My younger self, I would say hard times are coming, but but
you know who you are, you know the love that you've you know
received. You are the love that you
received and that will always beyou that will carry you through.

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That was for my younger self. My current self slowed effect
down just a little bit. I know it can feel like I'm
playing catch up right now to years that I feel like I missed
out on, but I am not my older self.
I am walking. I have it on my like sticky note
right now cuz artist way. Hello, I wrote.
Basically my hiatus was holy. Like that was needed for me to

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come back into this with more layers, more depth, more
experience. And it was not in vain at all.
Like as much as it feels like itwas, it wasn't.
So that's like, for me, like, that's my entire season right
now because it may feel like I'mplaying catch up with all my
friends and counterparts who aredoing fantastic things in
Hollywood and in the spaces thatI do want to take space in.

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But my time is gonna come whenever that does.
Yeah, I can right now, yeah. Trusting in that timing to like,
it's just when things do happen,I don't know if you've had this,
but like whenever I do have a success happen, I'm like, oh, I
get it now. Like I get that.
Like I had to be this moment. Like go through like.
Had to be this moment like versus like the one years
before. Yeah, I like literally.

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Going viral, going through like my suffering was insane like
that. I was like, I like sort of see
why this happened, but I was like, damn, like I was not
expecting that. Like I was, I thought I was
going to go viral for my performing arts school of vlogs.
And though some of those did well, I was like, that's not
what I was seen for. And in the moment it was like
sort of this bitterness because I was like, I do know what I
want to be seen for. But that led me to this area now

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and I'm sort of back in it, so. And everyone's going to evolve
with you, baby, like. Exactly.
The eras. The rebrand The eras.
And like, people want to also support you and love you in your
like glow era, not just your suffering era.
And that's what I had to like relearn cuz I'm like there's so
many like mental blocks and all that stuff.
But yeah, anyway, my grandma self, yes, grandma myself.

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Like genuinely, thank you for guiding me because it was you,
baby girl. It was literally you the whole
time. And like, honestly, I do picture
an older version of myself just sort of like brushing pads with
me. Someone you probably saw that
TikTok of that girl talking about how she sort of had this
moment where she was walking in a park, like if she had a
download. I know you know what I'm talking
about. And she like had a download and

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like knew back then that, you know, she needed to break up
with this guy and all this stuff.
And then years later, she walkedthrough that same park and like
sort of like waved at her old self because they were walking
in that same park when all of that stuff was happening.
And I just had a moment like that the other day, like I drove
to the movies for my artist date.
I was like solo and I parked opposite the area where I parked
the last time, the last time that I went and had a solo date.

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And at that point I was in a really bad position.
Wasn't even TSW, but I was goingthrough something really, really
traumatic at the time. And I like parked opposite of
myself. And I was like, hey, and I like
waved at myself and I'm like, wait.
And I was like, whoa, I'm not even tripping on anything, but
that was hella tripping. I felt that, like it's almost
like I was telling myself it's going to be OK, everything is
fine and you don't know what you're about to experience yet,

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but it is going to be OK. And so Grandma Self did all of
that and I thank her. So that's just gratitude, yeah.
Beautiful, where can everybody find you and what you're doing
and everything that you know is the world of Jada like Phyllis
and everything's gonna be linkedbelow 2 guys.
But where can everybody find youand all the all the beautiful
things that you're doing and the, you know, re establishing

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and recreating of your multi dimensional self?
Yes. No, Literally.
Just my and the Internet ether as well as the real world.
You know, and everything, you can find me at my address at,
you can literally actually find me.
You can find me. My Instagram is at Jada Jones

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just JADAJONES with 3S S so it'sjust that and then on TikTok
it's the same thing but with underscores at the beginning and
the end because that was taken on TikTok and then.
YouTube and. YouTube is just at Jada.
I'm so lovely to have that handle.
So it's really nice. And then the pod is the pod.
The pod yes, Haikya dotting Oh, that's why I was like wait, do I

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plug that? We are in the process of coming
back and it's going to be so wonderful.
And you'll probably say Ketta rose on on there.
So definitely subscribe to High Key Adulting on Spotify, Apple
Podcasts, all the things. Yes, we'll link everything
below. I'm so grateful for you.
Thank you. I feel like we went through such
a journey today. We.
Really. Did I'm together?
Yeah, well, bye skinny dipping listeners.

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Bye, bye. Thanks for having us.