This Episode Changed My Life

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Episode Transcript

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I also just feel this like really big feeling of surround
yourself with people that believe in you.
She's genuinely one of the sweetest people I know because
she's completely taught me to live life as a prayer and to see
everything through the process of learning and experiencing and

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accepting. You just can't plan when it
comes to dropping into conversation with two beautiful
women and spirit and spirit and the universe as our third
partner, the muse, as this thirdperson on the podcast today.
And now I just want to tell you guys a little bit about Madison
Camino because she's been OK. She entered my life as my pool

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teacher and I saw her on the pole and she literally, first of
all, was so incredibly strong and powerful.
And that's the first thing that brought me in, that drew me into
her energy. And yet she looks completely
delicate and flowing and soft all simultaneously.

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And I was like, I want to do that.
I want to be that. I want to be her.
And throughout the last couple years of pole training, it
honestly blossomed into a reallyspecial friendship and a really
special sisterhood. And she is like my big sister at
this point and I just don't knowwhat I would do without her.
She has started the Pulse sorority.

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She is premiering the House of Muse.
She has her own brand. Silken Earth is the company that
she created. It is basically eco printing and
eco dyeing from the earth onto these amazing soaks.
And she is robes and skirt sets.And she, it's not even just like
the clothing itself. It's literally the brand that

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she's created that connects the woman to the muse to the earth
is like this like beautiful triad that I see that silken
earth has created. The season of sweetness is the
muse. Like she is the muse.
Like she's the flowers, she's the honey, she's the
strawberries, she's the raspberries.
Like she's the sweetness of lifeand the sunshine on your face

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and the salt water on your skin.Like that is the season of
sweetness. That is the energy that we want
to bring to this and I'm so excited for you guys to finally
meet Madison, come to the mic. Welcome to skinny dipping.
The Skinny Dipping listeners areso excited to meet you because I
feel like I always give your advice second hand on the
podcast. I always like take what we learn

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and the goddamn Chihuahua was inthe back.
We just have to laugh at it. I agree.
But I take everything that you teach me and I bring it to them.
I bring it to the skinny dippinglisteners.
I'm so excited. So tell me what was coming
through for you when I know we like paused for a moment because
you were like, I'm receiving downloads about the season of

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sweetness when I was giving my intro and I'm just kind of
wondering, I was like, Madison, pause, shut your mouth.
You had to save that for the podcast.
That's so good. So when I was talking about the
season of Sweetness and this energy that is coming through
post this complete paradox of the era of the Phoenix, like
what was coming through for you?OK, yes, but for I will pin it.

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But first I feel like I just need to say thank you and also
that you came into my life. I feel like in a moment of
Phoenix for me, and I was in this whole upheaval and I was in
a rewrite of community and sisterhood, and it just means so
much to me that just as you lookup to me, I look up to you.
And it's just been proven that. It's so reciprocal, our

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relationship. You're just one person that I
know I'll always leave feeling more nourished then when I first
then when I got there. And just like really has proven
to me it's so important to surround yourself with women and
people that believe in you. And I feel like just the way you
have like, set beautiful vision and eyes on silk on earth and
the way you believe in it, that that's been a part of my own

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season of sweetness. I love that I love you so much
and honestly, I love that you brought that up because we talk
about this all the time. Can you have friends in your
life? Can you have lovers in your
life? Who holds you in the highest
vision of who it is you are becoming?
Because I feel like when we havepeople in our past, they can
hold us to such a narrative thatis no longer the person that

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we've healed and transformed into.
And that's what I love about ourfriendship is I feel so uplifted
by how you see me because you see me in this pure way where
you honestly, like, I feel so seen when I'm with you.
And I'm so grateful that you feel that way with the way that
I see you, with the way that I see your businesses, with the
way that I see the way that you live your life.

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Like, because I do like, what isit that you guys always say?
Like holding ourselves in the highest vision?
What it? What is the exact verbiage?
Holding ourself in the highest possible outcome.
I feel like what we always say at Pole Boot camp is like we
hold the vision of the wish fulfilled.
Yes. Wait, what was that?
One more time. We hold the vision of the wish
fulfilled. We hold the vision of the wish

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fulfilled. Not these Chihuahuas being like
we hold the fish. Another wish.
Yeah, I don't know if you guys can hear the little dogs in the
back, but we just have to continue.
We're so ready to record. We're we're munching at the bit.
We're so excited. But I love that.
Like holding the holding the vision of the wish fulfilled.
What does that mean? Yeah.
And I think in regards to like relationship, I feel like it's

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just seeing somebody for everything that they're going to
be as it's already fulfilled. Like for you, I just already see
you as a freaking pop star. Music videos, international
podcast recording. And it's just like, yeah, we
hold the vision of the Wish fulfilled.
I literally love that, and it makes me feel so loved and so,

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so seen. And I feel like it's so
important as we grow older to bewilling to let go of people who
don't hold us in that way so that we can make room for the
new friendships. Because I know when you came
into my life, I didn't have a sisterhood, you know, and
neither did you write kind of atthe time.
Definitely pole sorority was me answering my own prayers for

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sisterhood. But yeah, I feel like you
mentioned and talked a little bit around pole and it being
just, it's just more than the pole and it is this journey of
strength and femininity and being seen and body image like
naturally gets put into it when our flow state and flow state.
Yeah, there's like an intimacy for sure.
It's very intimate and I have always practiced one-on-one here

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in my room, but was like, this is there's obviously just a
sisterhood around this. And then Pulse Rority was born
and I'm so grateful to have a sisterhood that's so rooted in
strength and this physical practice and then that that
inherently became a spiritual practice.
Yeah. It just attracts the exact
people that we needed. It's so beautiful.

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I think as a dancer you really get it of like this emotional
intelligence through full body awareness.
Wow, I literally love that. And I love that you saw a gap
like, I don't want to say like alack, but just like this gap,
this space that was meant to be filled with sisters in your life
and connection and love. And I feel like everyone gets

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very tripped up about how do I find that?
And you did the beautiful thing of being like, I'm going to
create it. Yeah, I'm like, it brings,
you've seen tears get brought tomy eyes, you know, like I just
feel it's the answered prayer. And I really do want to
encourage anyone that's listening.
Like if you don't see the scene that you feel this like state of

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belonging in, it's probably justyour call that you need to
create it. Wow.
Literally. Chills.
Because that is so true. Because we get so caught up in
Oh my God, I can't find my people.
And it's like, if you're feelingthat way, there is a very high
chance that there are people whoare your soul family who are
also feeling that way, who are waiting for you to create that

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space so that they can step intoit.
And I love that you did that. Tell us about the Season of
Sweetness. Yeah, I feel so inspired hearing
you talk about the season of sweetness, because I think I
just heard this message around. Like I feel like for being an
artist, there's such this association to struggle and so

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many artists do struggle with mental health.
And there is just this idea of like the tortured artist, OK,
yes, you know, And I feel like that goes also with healing and
spirituality. It's like this feeling of like
I'm always growing and it's always it needs to be this like,
or this idea that it needs to bethis big, painful, loud phoenix

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rising. Totally.
So fiery, so volatile. Like that's the only word that's
coming to me. Like the air of the Phoenix has
so much wisdom, but it felt likevolatile, like aggressive.
I'm like. It's like you can have a sweet
rebirth. We were talking about
butterflies and mops the other night and I just thought about

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the mop that I saw be born from a chrysalis and how it was
literally covered in honey. Wow, it's like yellow nectar.
And it was like such a slow. You said that like once the moth
was born, it slowly opened its wings for a couple days, right?
Yeah, for at least 24 hours, it's opening its wings.

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It's just chilling and that's taking our time, I feel like.
That's the metaphor for this season of sweetness is like, how
can we open up and expand in a way that is also met with
slowness and compassion and, andmoving through it.
Like we're moving through honey,which is also a phrase that we
use when we're dancing or when we're on the pole.

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Like how can you move through like honey?
And then that reminds me, like, the only way that I'm able to
move like honey in my body is when there's also tension.
You know, it can't just be this like full flame, like just
flailing your arms, you know, because then you lose that

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tension that allows you to find that sweetness of like moving
like honey. Totally.
Actually I created this movementpractice called Grace codes.
OK, yes, tell us about grace codes.
Well, I used GRACE as an acronymbecause I think thank you so
much for what you said about my pole dancing.
But it was like, that was probably the, the comment I was

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getting the most was like so graceful and it just let me down
this path of like, what is grace?
And it's so insane that GRACE isused in like a realm of God and
it's like a word for spirituality and God as well,
but also this like tangible thing we can see in movement.
And so this is the muse. This is something spiritual that
we're seeing in somebody being able to like embody.

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And so grace was this map that I'm like, what's the map of
grace? I love that the acronym is
gravity resistance, alignment, circles, emotion, grace, grace.
Wow. Gravity resistance resistance.
So that's kind of like that tension.
That's that tension. And literally like, imagine

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you're in a thick pot of honey and like, how would you move
through it? And it's like applying
resistance and control into yourmovement.
I love that. And then the second one or the
third one a was alignment, alignment.
I love that. OK, posture check.
Yeah, posture check. And like the alignment of like
when you're dancing, when you'removing your body, like it feels

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like you are connected to the earth and connected to the
heavens. Like it feels like you are that
in in between place. And that feels like if you're
aligned, you're connected to like that full stream, you know,
top to bottom. I don't know.
That's just what I imagine is melike dancing and like this
alignment, but then also like the physical alignment of the
body. Totally, I was once told like

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movement is like spell casting and to fully extend through
everything because you don't want to like like can I cuss
like a fast send? Yeah, yeah, yeah, you can
definitely cuss. They know, I swear.
Fuck. What's your favorite swear word?
Probably fuck. Have you seen?
That, like I've been saying, assa lot.
As in like half ass. Yeah, yeah.

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Yeah, yeah, Half assed What? What were you saying so?
Like you can't half ass send a spell out and not fully extend.
And I feel like alignments like that too, of like the full
extension, the full alignment ofthe spine.
And also like the follow through, like I feel like in the
physical body, it's like the full extension of the body.
But then, like in life, the metaphor is, can you fully

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follow through with everything that you're doing?
Beginning to and and knowing that having that tension along
the way is what makes that ending so sweet.
OK, so and then we have C which is.
Circles. I feel like I say it in teaching
all the time, but thinking in circles and I just feel like

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everything has this innate circular momentum.
And I feel like our body has an innate circular momentum.
And how to discover that for yourself.
And I feel like just life is so cyclical.
Like I just see my whole life asconstant cycles in constant
circles. Like it feels.
And it's like if you move against it and you try to stay

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in the middle of it, like you'rejust going to end up kind of
being spun around. You're going to get dizzy, you
know? But if you like move with the
circles, it's all going to be OKMe trying to like find the
metaphor, but I really do see like the grace in the movement
and then the grace for life as like this full on parallel.
Yeah, I didn't think we'd be talking about grace codes, but I

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guess it just is impossible not to because it is it.
Came through for me earlier, butthen I was like, she didn't say
she wanted to talk about Grace Codes.
Maybe Grace Codes is like a pastversion of you, but no, she
continues. She continues.
I feel like I'll be constantly returning to grace codes with
like because the more I practicepull and hoop and things without

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like with the prop, the more that it gets like translated
back to like without the prop movement.
Yeah. OK.
So what was the E last one? Emotion, OK and that's just
knowing that we're able to release and tell a story through
our movement and I feel like that just goes into like somatic
science of like animals need a shake to release a feeling.

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And I feel like this could tie into season a sweetness of yeah,
like sometimes life is hard and it is uncertain and that goes
into too like we hold the visionof the wish fulfilled like know
that everything is already fulfilled.
Wow. And you also might just need to
trust the fall, trust the resistance.
Yes, check your alignment literally.

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And like, just finding practicesthat let you actually have the
emotional release because we still do need to feel this like
life is be life in Yeah, totallyuncomfortable moments too.
It's inevitable. Like the discomfort is truly
inevitable. So it's like, how do you choose
to move forward? Like for me, I feel like pouring
it into music, like I had a really emotional weekend where I

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was feeling a lot of growing pains with my partner.
That's like the perfect way to put it.
It just felt like growing pains.Like I felt like, fuck, this
hurts. But I was like, this isn't the
end. This is just like me expanding
and growing. And I went to Haleakala, which
is our dormant volcano that we have here in Maui, Hawaii.

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And I just drove up the mountain.
And once I got there, I just started to put my voice memos on
and sing and freestyle music. And I was feeling so sad that
day and I just cried so many tears.
But there was this way of bringing the music through me
and bringing the words through me and pouring the emotions out

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of me that like in that circularmotion that I literally released
all the pain that I was feeling through.
So it can be through movement, which I love.
Like I feel like working out, dancing, shaking my body,
getting in like a body of water.But then also like art and being
an artist is just like the alchemizing of the emotions.

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It's the full alchemizing of theemotions and that's probably why
artists get a rap for just beingthese very emotional like
tortured beings. But it is all the alchemical
process. I feel like those.
Emotions. That's what I felt like with the
songs. Like I was like, maybe I was
literally supposed to go throughthis experience with my partner

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this week so I could write like these three bankers, like
back-to-back. Like, I wrote these three songs
and I was like, wait, I'm obsessed.
I need to record these. And I was like, they wouldn't
have come through if I didn't have that pain.
And it's almost like the artist,like, yeah, the.
But it's like this way of meeting pain without screaming
at it, right? That's like the season of

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sweetness. It's not that everything in life
has to be sweet and perfect. And you know, this picture
perfect ideal, It's like, no, the, the pain or discomfort is
inevitable. The lessons are inevitable.
But how are you going to show upand meet the process?
How are you going to meet the experience?
Are you going to show up with compassion and softness and

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sweetness? And I've just been learning to
soften into it while also like giving myself a moment to be
dramatic. That's what you said to me,
which I really want to bring up.Like I called Madison when I was
deep in just like a crying portal.
And what was it that you said tome?
Cuz I was resisting the expression of the emotions.

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And this was honestly great advice.
It was actually something that Iheard Maria Stark does, who's
this incredible musician and artist, and she was talking
about writer's block and how sometimes there's just no way
around it but through it. And instead of denying the
writer's blog, she was just Speaking of like, dramatizing it

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and being like, oh woe is me, I can't write and like, just throw
the pity party. For a moment, and that's what I
did. Like when we hung up, I was
like, this sucks. I hate feeling this way.
I'm going to throw a tantrum andalmost just like playing with it
in that way. And then I was like, wait, I
feel so much better. Like I wasn't resisting the
emotion or judging it. I was just like letting it be

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that, almost like little kid version of myself or like you
talk about like allowing your animal to speak, which has been
like a big lesson that you've taught me in relationship.
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So what does it mean to let youranimals speak?
Yeah, that's another great practice a sister showed me.
But just how much we can try to filter ourselves for our loved

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ones. And I feel like especially like,
you know, we've all learned the nonviolent communication and
then just realizing, like, there's so much getting
suppressed in that. Trying to like say the right the
correct thing. That like more suppression is
just happening and resentments that are going unspoken.
So in the long term that could actually be more damaging.

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Just saying what you need to sayand just some voicing like.
OK, this isn't my higher self, this isn't how I actually feel
about you, but this is what my animal has to say.
I'm voicing it as the animal andknowing that that's not like the
ultimate feeling, but at least giving that space to be spoken.
Totally. You're like, I can reach into my

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spirit and myself, my like intuitive internal self and it
makes me realize at the soul level I love you.
And at the soul level, I have this acceptance or forgiveness
or whatever is happening here with a partner.
You know, we want to have that very conscious way of thinking,
of course. But then I feel like, yeah, it
leaves room for us to suppress what we're actually feeling.

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I feel like it leaves room for this suppression.
And sometimes we don't need someone to, like, fix the
problem. We just need them to hear us out
and, like, validate that very scared part of us, that part of
us that is speaking out of this fear.
And sometimes we need to like get through that animal thought
process and let it all kind of dump out before we can really
come from this like observer place.

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There was something you said that inspired me or like I feel
like I was feeling a message around like tying into the
artist and being like, OK, how to create from a sweet place.
Because I think like what you said about songs and like these
songs came through because I wasso sad and like maybe that's why
they came through and making artmy full time gig.

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Or whatever, Yeah. I've had to learn a little bit
how to rewrite, like realizing Iwas maybe probably unconsciously
creating dramatic episodes in mylife because of this story, that
I'm a better creator. Which is like isn't true.
Yeah, but just totally, I think a lot of girls who dance or

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anything can resonate to like the sad girls style of dance.
Yeah. And I just realized I was only
dancing to very sad music and I just was creating from when I
was in like a dark night of the soul.
And I for sure have written 100%more songs when being
heartbroken versus happy, and I feel like I've had to learn how

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to still have the desire and motivation to create from a
sweet place. I love that, and I feel like
you've done that with Silken Earth.
Silken Earth has totally been that prayer of like, OK, there's
art from a place of genuine alchemy which we need and it's
there for us, and that's so powerful.
And there's creating art like Silken Earth just feels so like

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this saying that's not even me. It's just the silk and the earth
and tuning into like, outside ofmy own story.
Like, what do ferns have to say?Yeah, no, I love that.
It's like it's you don't always have to alchemize through your
own pain or like your own stories that you're just
spilling out. Like you can alchemize through

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connecting with nature or through connecting with spirit,
which is kind of like one in thesame.
But no, I love that. Can you tell us a little bit
about silk and earth and just like what it is?
Cuz I feel like you can explain it so much better than and I
can. Yes, so can Herb.
It's just, it's so beyond words too, cuz I just sort of never
imagined I'd be the steward of it.

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Yeah, like I never like sat downand was like, I wanna have a
clothing company. But it really has just become
the way I pray. And I learned how to eco print
at an all women's gathering in California.
It's called origins gathering. So cool.
It's incredible. It definitely was just eye
opening in the way of seeing so many super badass women.

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Living in their purpose. Yeah, and crafting and making
baskets and just in their wiferyand just being so hot and cool.
And their renaissance. Yeah, and like the archery and
just all of it just being like, yes, more of this.
I love that. So I feel like naturally that's
why there's so much sisterhood around silken Earth.
It's like I learned it in this very feminine space centered

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around sisterhood and supportingeach other's sisterhood.
But I just was in this eco printing workshop and I was
fully buzzing being so excited to get home to Maui, to all the
incredible plants and flowers and just life we have here.
And also the main thing I learned to eco print with was
eucalyptus. And I actually for a long time

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only thought silk on earth was going to be eucalyptus.
And when I got home, I lived very close to the Mokowa Forest,
and I just would walk the forestand harvest fallen leaves.
And there is this whole prayer of wow, this leaf that would
otherwise be compost and something that is perceived as
dying could actually have a whole new life.

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Wow. Chills.
I know. Wow.
I know I love it so much and it was just it's always like a
Christmas gift, like rolling these eucalyptus up in silk and
letting it they steam like little tamales in a Tamale pot
for. A few hours.
I love that. And then you unravel it and just

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there's only so much control youcan have over design and
coloring and everything when working with plants.
It's like they're just going to do what they want.
And so just being it like a surprise every single time and
just, yeah, I had no idea. But they just started to feel
like these silk scrolls that would otherwise be compost into
the ground. And they really do feel like my

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little wearable wings. Wow.
OK, so something you've always taught me is that life is a
living prayer. And I know I've talked about it
a little bit on the podcast without you, but I feel like it
can't be spoken in the way that it needs to without you because
you're the one that has taught me this.

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And I feel like it's such the medicine for the season of
sweetness because it's like, buthow do you move through life in
this way? Like, how do you meet everything
with this, like sweetness? And the word that's coming
through for me is like celebration.
And like, how can we alchemize through celebration, not just
pain? And I just feel like you've
taught me so deeply, Like everything that you do can be

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backed by intention. Everything that you do can be
conscious. And I think that's the most
beautiful way to live because somuch of the world is living on
this autopilot. And it's like how like I don't
want to just look at it and judge it.
I want to look at it and, and bethe change and be the difference
and like be the medicine for it.So I feel like as each of us

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begin to live more consciously and more slowly and more
intentionally, and in this act of a living, prayer, like our
unique energy changes the whole collective.
So I guess my question for you is living life as a prayer, but
how have you transferred this mindset or this way of being

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into your business 'cause I think how you create silken
earth is such a prayer, obviously.
Like it is a wearable prayer truly.
So it's like what is the processlike for you?
Like what does that actually look like?
And also what other things do you have to say about the living
prayer? Like I know things are coming
through for you. You're your Aquarius self.

(27:25):
Oh my gosh, yeah. I was going to mention like just
that I am Aquarius and Aquarius can be very intellectual.
And I feel like this idea of living life as prayer is kind of
like maturing in my own spiritual journey of rather than
intellectualizing and feeling like I need to sit down and have
all these rituals and practices to create the life I want to

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create, that it's actually this like living, breathing,
offering. And I feel like as far as my
business goes, it's like what I love most about Silk on Earth is
that I feel like it's taught me offerings and to not take from
the earth without offering something to it.
OK, Can you explain a little bitmore of that for people that

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wouldn't even know, like what that means?
Totally. Like in the beginning, it
started as me really bringing like flowers from my bouquet
that was maybe starting to die or just harvesting flowers from
my garden and knowing like, OK, I'm going to take plants from
the forest. So I'm going to bring plants and
just beautify and thank the earth for all that it's giving

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me. And then I feel like after going
to the forest so many times, andI think just one time I forgot
flowers and had this moment of oh, panic, yeah.
We're like, it's not going the exact way that I usually do it.
Totally. And being like, oh, that's like
an intellectual grass. Facade.
It's like just the facade. And just creating my own

(28:51):
suffering the earth like I am the the offering.
Totally like she's not mad at you for not bringing flowers.
Like it's the intention and. She wants us to be working with
her and just even clearing the leaves.
But also just I feel like then Iwas like, OK, I'll offer a song.
And I love that. I know me too.

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And I started offering songs anddance and harvesting plants and
but just even as time has gone on, just knowing that my prayers
for the forest and for the rebirth of it are enough to.
And I feel like as far as through business, I think it's
always just praying about like what is actually needed.

(29:32):
And if we were talking about this before, we hopped on 2 of
like, what is the story? Totally.
And letting everything have the story and not just seeing
numbers and like maybe this morelike masculine way of yeah,
creating. Yeah, yeah.
It's also like this like old agearchetype of like business and

(29:52):
creating and like just being so based in productivity when it's
like the future isn't that like the future isn't.
I think we were talking about this.
The future isn't trading your time for money.
Like you're the future is trading your gifts for money.
You know, instead of it being like I'm giving my time in this
amount and I'm receiving back inthis amount.

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And it's like that very analytical number based way of
thinking. It's like, no, I'm giving from
this place of knowing that I have something to contribute to
the world. And I have these gifts that I've
been literally given. Like we all have these certain
gifts that it's so clear that wewere meant to do certain things.
Like when I look at my friends, I'm just like, it's so clear

(30:35):
that you were meant to do that and I was not, you know?
And with everything that I'm doing, I just feel so like it
was so meant for me. And then it's like I'm receiving
back in this way of not only financial abundance and kind of
this expansive, like no, no glass ceiling way of creating,
like sustainability and securityand wealth for myself.

(30:57):
It's not only that, but it's also receiving the impact that
you're giving to the world. So it's just like more circular
than like linear, I guess. Yeah.
And it's following the muse yes it's like this way that I would
have never been able to conceptualize as like a 16 year
old or 20 year old or even 25 year old because I started 26.

(31:19):
I'm going to have this art of adornment clothing company.
It's like, no, it just felt really good to walk the forest
and harvest leaves and create scarves to the point where now I
have so many, I should sell themso I can afford to, like, fund
this passion that I have. And it is like when you're
following the muse and you're following what you love.

(31:40):
I never feel like I'm like, whatis the saying?
They say because you'll never work a day in your life.
Yeah, that is what people say, but it also requires work.
But it's not like this work thatcomes from pain, which also is
coming back to what we said before, like this inner
motivation. Is it like pain and fear?
Is it coming from the motivationand the forward motion of like,

(32:00):
love and excitement and a curiosity?
You know, that's what you're you're being moved by and you're
also being moved by the muse. Can you tell everyone a little
like I've talked about the muse on the podcast?
Thank you. OK, So what is the muse?
Wow, the muse. OK, yeah, being moved by the

(32:20):
muse. OK, first I feel like I need to
talk about like, what Muse means.
Totally. So there's this really great Ted
talk I listen to. It's by the woman who wrote Eat,
Pray, Love. OK, she also wrote like magic.
OK, nice. Yeah, She talks a lot about

(32:41):
actually like this tortured artist thing that I'm talking
about and how to, like, grow past that and know like, no, to
be an artist does not need to beassociated to this, like, pain.
Yeah. Or just explosivity almost.
But it can no judgement to that expression of it too like.
But it's good to see that you have choice.

(33:02):
Like there is another expressionof it.
And when like creating this ideaof living renaissance and us
wanting to be full time artist, we're gonna need to learn how to
like create from the sweet placealong with the outcome like gold
place too. So I'm like burp.
No, you're good. Is that what like the
Renaissance means? Because you always like, you do

(33:23):
use the phrase like Renaissance and you've been using it a lot
because like sneak peek, Madison's gonna have a House of
Muse Renaissance retreat. So that's been like coming
through the ether. So it's like, is that what you
mean by Renaissance? It's like we're all living from
our art practices and like Craftsman.
Like what do you mean by the Renaissance?
Yeah, I think it ties into everything you're saying of when

(33:44):
we're in our service, when we'rein our gifts, when we're in our
art, it doesn't even feel like we're working.
And so trading time and service and craft and these gifts for
exchange for what we want. And even in the time I've been
with Silk and Earth and with pole classes, I love trading for
a massage or a tincture that I didn't even know I needed.

(34:06):
And. Totally like a little trade
culture. It's a whole new economy.
I love this economy. Like this is the future.
Like, no, honestly, it's the fucking future.
Yeah, like it is. It's the fucking future.
Definitely have had an awakeningthrough architecture and
architecture that was made in the Renaissance era and seeing
like there's so much more life force in these buildings than

(34:28):
what we have right now. And I just think of the
Renaissance and I think of like a Silk Road happening and the
like trade of spices and silk and craftsmanship and all of
this is what formed countries and formed borders and formed
regions and. That's so.
Cool. It's so cool.
And I think definitely since COVID, so many people went

(34:51):
online, realized they can createtheir income through something
other than what we've been shown, and it was almost like a
forced awakening. Totally.
And it's almost like when you'retalking about it building
borders, like I see this like this current age of seeing it as
like, OK, people are like navigating new areas.

(35:12):
But it's like in this like online space, which is so in
parallel with that too. But I do feel like there is
muses and angels, and to me it'sall God too.
But I feel like muse has been a cool word to use that has less
identity and like culture aroundit.
And so I feel like there's just some sort of divine muse

(35:33):
orchestration always happening for us and it's woven together.
And I feel like there's so many times in collaboration where if
you're following your muse, it'sprobably perfectly synced up
with my muse. Because it literally is the
universe spirit God. Like it is the divine plan
working when the Muse Pixel lead.

(35:55):
I love that. Yeah.
And just following up feels good.
And yeah, this talk of this woman, the Ted Talk and her idea
of the music. I think her name's Elizabeth
Gilbert, yes. Thank you, Thank you.
Freaking name Queen. But she talks about how when you
get an idea or a song or something, how it almost feels
like this physical push, like you need to get it out kind of

(36:16):
thing. And also all these different
intersections of culture, like like Bravo when like somebody
would dance and do something incredible and I think it was in
the South of Spain and they'd say Bravo.
It actually like the origins of Bravo means God and like just
like actually shouting God at somebody that is dancing and

(36:38):
like recognizing that there's like some sort of flow state
that people can access. There's the channel is God.
That is grace. That is something and now being
like, OK, yeah, what is this flow state with all of life?
What is the living prayer? Because that's where I'm so
grateful that pulse word and everything.
It's so hard to like verbalize, but it's just so much more than

(37:00):
the physical practice. It's like a way of being.
Yeah, no, totally. I feel like it's also like the
practice of the way of being. It's not like you've always been
able to access this space, right?
Like it's like through your experiences or like if other
people are listening to this right now and they're like, I
really wanna be like that too but IDK how.

(37:23):
Like what would you say to them?Or like the younger version of
yourself that hadn't yet like discovered this way of living?
Cuz I love thinking of the spiritual practice as this
lifestyle rather than this checklist.
You know, like I feel like we can get so caught up in the
checklist. Did I do my meditation today?
Did I pull my cards today? Did I get in nature today?

(37:44):
Like feels like this checklist. And, and I feel like it's good
in the beginning when you're developing habits, but once
you've kind of developed those habits and created some
structure, it's like, how can I make this like a living Organism
that like breathes in and breathes out And like, how do I
allow it to like live through me, you know?

(38:05):
Yeah, I feel like if I could tell my younger self anything,
like I just think about the massive unnecessary mess I made.
Creating our own chaos or what? Yeah, like when in the face of
like rush and think like go trying to like rush something
and I feel like I would just tell 22 year old me like, girl,

(38:26):
you're already healed. Like you don't need to be doing
so much. No way that's actually such good
advice because it's like, why are we fully intellectualizing
our own healing? Or why are we always seeing
ourselves as a project that we need to fix?
Like fuck that shit. I was taking it so seriously and
I also felt the weight of the world on my shoulders.

(38:49):
And I love that there is, I think, an innate part in all of
us that wants to help the world.But I feel like there's been
this maturing in my later 20s ofrealizing the best thing I could
do for the world is be grounded,not in this rush energy.
Be a full cup and clear person to talk to and like a sanctuary

(39:11):
for my sisters and it's like a safe space.
And like you don't have to be ina rush like that's that's the
medicine of the season of sweetness is like move through
it like it's honey and like knowing that it's not like, Oh
no, like this is uncomfortable. It's like, no, it's like, feel
how good and how sweet, like lick around you.

(39:32):
Like you're moving through the honey and you stick out your
tongue and you realize this actually tastes really good.
You know, I don't know why that's what came through.
Lick around you, No. But it's like you're moving
through the honey and it's like,it doesn't have to be this thing
that's like, so, oh, this is so annoying.
You know, it can be this thing that's so sweet even when we're
moving slowly. And I think that's what I really

(39:54):
needed to hear 'cause I think through the era of the Phoenix,
I didn't know what I wanted moving forward in the next like
year or just like in the future of my life.
Like I didn't know. I felt like I had kind of gotten
to where I wanted to be with thepodcast, with my career, with my
relationships, and what I reallywas calling in maybe like 2
years ago, which was honestly like doing the podcast, doing

(40:14):
what I love and calling in like friendship and sisterhood and
really making movement a priority in my life.
And that's like the intention that I was moving with.
And then I looked around me and I was like.
I'm here like I'm like, it's created like this is my life
now. And I'm just the type of person
where I'm like, OK, but I know there is like this next chapter

(40:37):
for me. And I didn't know what it was in
the beginning of the era of the Phoenix.
And now at the end of the era ofthe Phoenix, I know what it is
that I want moving forward to create this new like financial
abundance and security and like maturing into the next like era
of my life, you know? And now that I know what I want,
I've been having this like innerchaos like that you're

(40:59):
describing that you had when youwere younger, like this mess
that I'm creating because I'm like, I'm not there yet.
And I'm like in this rush to create things that honestly, I
know we're going to take really long term investments and really
long term commitment and devotion.
And I'm trying to rush the process and it's like, no, you
just have to take it step by step and knowing that it is all

(41:22):
happening in divine timing. But I needed to hear that, that
it's like, how can I just, I canshow up so much better for other
people when I'm not in that rush, you know?
And so I think that's what was coming through for me with that
is like, I don't have to be in arush to create what I want to
create, even though I'm excited about it.
I think I get, like, caught up in the excitement, but it's also

(41:42):
this, like, honestly, like, yeah, this attachment to
creating this, this mess to clean up.
And it's like, no, like, everything's actually OK.
We're actually just taking it step by step.
You might not be exactly where you want to be yet, but you know
the direction in which you're going, which is honestly
following the fucking muse. Yeah, I feel like I just had so

(42:03):
many thoughts. OK, tell me.
Yes. OK, what is the first?
The first one was that anytime I've rushed, it's been more
expensive in the long run and I feel like I've always rushed
thinking like I need to do this because I need to make this
money right now. Now is the time like and this.
Operating from this place of like I don't have it.

(42:23):
Yeah. And I feel like we've talked
about the difference between intuition and fear, and like
intuition's never going to be this sense of urgency and that
it's going to be this soothing higher self grounded knowing.
And that it is going to happen, yeah.
Which is like, what? What's their phrase again?
We hold the vision of the wish fulfilled.

(42:44):
We hold the vision of the wish fulfilled, and if you're living
with that mindset of holding it in the vision of the wish
fulfilled, then you know it's this deep knowing that it's
going to happen. So why are you in a rush?
Exactly. I feel like you don't need to
fight for what's already yours. Like, I feel like that's my
favorite mantra is what is yoursis yours.
Like, it's already written in the stars.

(43:05):
It's already decided. Yeah.
So like, enjoy every part of theprocess.
Like enjoy your broke artist era.
Literally like it's the come up journey.
That's what I always think about.
I'm like, this is my come up journey.
And also if I wasn't like if I had all the things that I want
in the future right now, like I genuinely don't think I wouldn't
be ready for them. Like I need to learn the lessons
through the process. And I know that everything is

(43:27):
just getting dropped in the timeline at the exact time.
It feels like boom. It just feels like, Oh my God, I
don't have this yet. And then all of a sudden it just
dropped in the timeline and it'sin front of me and I'm like, oh,
that was the perfect time. Like it couldn't have come three
months ago. It couldn't have come a year
ago. It wouldn't have been.
All of this had needed to happenfor this exact moment.
I think like I definitely still experience fear of the future

(43:52):
and uncertainty and maybe feelings of regret or like these
like like I feel like on the mean self talk of like, oh, like
for example, I should have started YouTube when I was 20
years old. Like I would have like, what
would my audience be now? And he's like what ifs energy
and just been realizing, thank God I didn't start a YouTube
band and like trusting the divine timing of it of knowing

(44:13):
like, no, I'm meant to be exactly who I'm meant to be
whenever, if ever I open that chart.
I feel like you will, but it's gonna be like, yeah.
And also now it's so rooted in, like, mastery of your craft.
You know where it wouldn't have been if you started it when you
were 20. Yeah, my unhinged over
intellectualizing, over feeling the anxiety of the world.

(44:35):
Like I don't know if I would want what I was.
To be all over the Internet over.
The Internet and I feel like a really big message that's been
coming through for me recently, too, is like, only compare
yourself to your past version ofyourself.
And I think aging and being a woman, it's easy to look at what
other people are accomplishing at different ages and question,

(44:56):
like, is that where I'm supposedto be right now?
But yeah, just really focusing all those other eyes, just like
inward. I love that.
Also, what's coming up for me when you say that is like
looking forward to aging? Like I like, like us talking
about like the levels of maturity and consciousness and
like the neural pathways that develop as we get older and how

(45:17):
we genuinely can see the world in such a different way, in such
a grounded way compared to when we are in our early 20s.
Like I was such a fucking mess when I was 21.
Like, and now I'm 25 and I'm like, I'm definitely less of a
mess. My frontal lobe has definitely
developed and falling in love with getting older.
Like, why are people so scared to get old?
Like as I get older, I get so much more in tune with myself.

(45:41):
Like I look at my friends from dance who are in their late 30s
and early 40s and they just havethis sense of really knowing who
they are that truly just comes with time.
And it's like I feel like there can be such this fear based
mindset around women, especiallygrowing older.
And it's like as we grow older, we unlock the codes like more

(46:04):
and more. It's like we hold such potent
wisdom and like, know ourselves and love ourselves so much
deeper. And it's like, I'm looking
forward to that, honestly. I watched 30 Flirty and Thriving
on the Airplane. Kind of a classic you.
Know and just was like, wow, I feel like something kind of
shifted from like early 2000s tonow and of this idea of 30.

(46:28):
And there are such real factors of being a woman and knowing,
like knowing what you're sacrificing and knowing your
focus, but also not being doomsday about it.
And yeah, thank God for aging. And it's really fun to see like
I've met the most youthful 60 year olds Seriously being like,

(46:53):
wow. Like youth is literally a state
of mind. And also I see people age
differently. Like I really feel like peace is
the biggest. Like medicine, yeah.
Just like staying in the energy of that curiosity in youth
forever is really like taking iteasy.
Like the season of sweetness is that because it's like, how can

(47:14):
you take it easier on yourself? How can you stop being so
fucking hard on yourself like. Holy, I feel like I carry a more
young and I mean, I was always bubbly like early 20s too, but
just on that thing of like I wastaking it so seriously.
Yeah. And really like felt all this
responsibility versus there's something with maturing,
realizing, wait, we are young and we got to utilize this and

(47:38):
like just being even more. Like I love that so much of the
theme of our friendship is girlhood.
Yes. And I still think like, girlhood
is something we'll embody when we're like 80 years old
together. I know.
Wait, you're so? Right, jumping on the
trampoline. Yes, no, literally that is like
the goal to like have fun forever, you know, and enjoy and
celebrate forever. And I guess what's coming up for

(48:00):
me is like the devil's advocate and like the argument of being
like, people are going to be like, I don't feel like I can
slow down and I don't feel like I can relax in this way.
And like have this like peace and trust and faith and
surrender. Like I have to make money.
I have fucking bills to pay. You know, Like that chatter
coming in. And I feel like you've taught me

(48:22):
something literally this week that I found so interesting.
And I was wondering if we could get into it.
Cuz I know that you've had a journey with your own
relationship with wealth and like, like money and like the
energetics of it and not having it and then having it and like
all these like, you know, so I just feel like you're the
perfect person to speak on this because now you're like creating
this like stability. And like, like I said, there's

(48:44):
no ceiling for what it is you'recreating when you're the one
creating it. You know, no one can give you
what your yearly salary is because you're the one that's
creating everything, which makesit limitless.
So it's been so cool to see you step into this archetype of,
yeah, just like what you've created for yourself and now how

(49:04):
what you've supported is supporting you.
But I feel like you've gone through phases where you've been
like fucking broke. And so I which I feel like some
people really need to hear because I feel like we can talk
about it from this place of liketrusting when you like people
believe like, oh, I can only really trust when I have what I
know. I can only trust when I get this

(49:25):
like financial security or things like that.
Can you talk about that a littlebit?
Yeah, I feel like this kind of ties into denying appearances.
OK, yes, you educated me on thisthis week.
I had no idea what it was, but what does it mean to deny
appearances? Like just to realize that
everything is working for you and not against you and.

(49:48):
Like denying what it looks like you're like from the outside it
looks like XYZ is happening. Like from the outside it maybe
looks like $40.00 left in the bank account.
Are you talking from experience?Fully.
OK, yes, no, this is so good. Like the girlies are going to be
so happy to hear this. Yeah, because I think that I I

(50:08):
can really speak from first handof like I'll just call myself
out of the levels of victimhood that I've kept myself in.
And I do not come from a family with money.
It's all been like no security blanket.
Like I just can't really understand what it could feel
like to feel like. No, really the world is worth

(50:28):
like systemic poverty is real and I validate that for
everybody. But I've had to get out of like
I feel like I used to justify mybrokenness through that.
Yeah, cuz you were also on your own at a very young age, right?
Yeah, OK. Like since 17.
OK. And that's working for myself.

(50:48):
So yeah, it's. And I feel like I held this
resentment that kept me broke. Yeah, like the world is against
me. Yeah, like that being the mantra
of like, the world's against me.I'm always broke.
I'm always like at back at square 1.
Used to be this like thing. I would always say like I'd
always feel like I'm back at square one.
Wow, yeah. Yeah, the repeat programs and

(51:11):
patterns coming through so clearly.
It's like listen to yourself andI.
Feel like something that helped me with that was thinking about
0 point energy. That's that.
This was literally something like a girl at a bar told me.
I love that we love girls at bars.
We love girls at bathrooms and bars.
This is when it's like you don'tknow those last $40 might buy

(51:32):
you a mental health cocktail anda girl might tell you about 0
point energy at the bar. Yes, which is something you were
talking about earlier. It's like, oh, you have $100 in
your bank account. Well, you might spend it and go
to this woman's retreat where you learn how to eco print and
then all of a sudden, like you've created this whole like,
eventually, like empire for yourself, you know?

(51:55):
But that's what you're saying with the girl.
Like you're going to go buy a drink for your last $40.
Fuck it. But then this girl's going to
give you advice that's going to change your life.
You never fucking know what's going to happen.
You never know. And she explained to me that
zero point being this radical, the most powerful place to jump
off from. So, and she was speaking and
obviously I don't fully rememberthe conversation, like she was

(52:16):
like a neuroscientist rocket, OK.
Slay. We love that for her.
But it just now whenever I feel the bank account trickle down to
0, I'm like 0 point energy baby.It's about to take off.
Like this is the most powerful place for everything to fill up
and magnetize and just shifting the mindset always like anything

(52:40):
you can do to stay out of victimhood.
And then what does that have to do with denying appearances?
So denying appearances is just this, knowing that it's not
working against you and being like.
Like it's not what it looks like.
It's not what it looks like. It's like the tip of the iceberg
and you don't understand what's underneath the ocean.
And on the other side, you don'tknow what's going to happen

(53:02):
tomorrow. And so it's this way of
manifestation through reaction and instead of reacting to
things as if it's against you and it's the end of the world
and everything is always out to getting in to knowing like this
is the come up story. This is going to be a part of my
miracles and reacting to it in that way.

(53:22):
And I definitely still have moments of victimhood and need
to like. Yes, can't we all?
Get out of it. But I feel like whenever it's
overwhelming and everything's crumpling down, it's like
everything can wait. I'm not going to.
This isn't the energy I want into people's silks or my craft
or anything. And I've pushed back deadlines

(53:43):
and just like, realize, like, OK, Like, I'm creating so much
of my own suffering. Run around the beach, get the
energy. Yes, Right.
Jump on the trampoline. Jump on the trampoline.
Yeah, Just, like, disrupt the system.
And yeah, there's no way around,like, feeling the human
feelings. Yeah, but it feels like
everything's against you or something.
But it's the way that we react to it and it's OK to be in it

(54:04):
for a moment. You know, Like this weekend, I
was really feeling that, which really spiraled this thing
within my relationship because Iwas like, I'm 25 and I moved
back in with my parents and now I live with my parents.
And then you like gave me this whole perspective shift and
you're like, I would be a millionaire 28 if like I was
able to like save up and live with my parents.
And I was like, damn, Caleb, that's my like victimhood shift.

(54:26):
I could be in like, Oh my God, I'm so embarrassed.
I live with my parents. Or I could be like, I'm living
with my parents and I'm saving up to buy a fucking villa that
I'm going to fucking live in. And I'm going to create this
long term wealth because I'm willing to like be patient for
the good things that are coming.And I was so in my victimhood of
like, why is this happening to me?
Like I feel like I should be farther along than this all like
the shoulds coming in. And then I had like the complete

(54:49):
flip where I'm like, the actual circumstance doesn't have to
change. It's my perspective of it that
just needed to change. And all of a sudden it
completely felt lighter. And I was like, oh, I'm not in
pain anymore, but my circumstances didn't change.
But I'm not in pain anymore because I'm not in that story
anymore. Yeah, it really is.
Everything is perspective. It really is fully shaping our

(55:09):
reality through perspective and through gratitude.
Yeah. And then also at the same time,
life is hard and sometimes you need to make some art and
optimize it. Yes, you're always like, let's
pole dance about it. Like you might like walk into
your room and we're about to have a private and I'm like
crying and I'm like, this happened.
You're like, let's dance about it.
And I'm like, yes, I love sayingthat.

(55:30):
Like let's sing about it, let's dance about it, let's write
about it. You know, we don't have to just,
like fall victim to it. We get to dance with it like as
if it's a dance, you know? And I so feel what you're saying
of like the devil's advocate of,like, what if, like, this
feeling. And it's like, yeah, I can't
just, like, sit there and think happy thoughts and like, I need
to move through my body. I need to put it into something.

(55:52):
And if I don't have the creativity, then it's just
literally running as fast as I can on the beach.
Like just sweat it out, whateveryou can do.
No, I love that. So the denying of appearances is
really like, I don't want to usethe word blind faith because
it's not like you're not looking.
It's not like you're looking away.
Your eyes are closed. It's like, or it's like maybe

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your eyes are closed, but you'retuning into your inner truth and
you just have this deep knowing like it is going to fucking work
out. Just a quick break.
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the artist, the creative, the dancer.
Like you can be any level. But if you want to tap into that
side of yourself, like the Houseof Muse collab is going to be
for you. It's such a magical day.
And I miss Bali so much. So, yeah, join us this year and
go ahead and sign up for the wait list below.
Let's get back to the episode. Like, denying appearances just
because it looks like it's not going to right now.

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It is going to happen. And I look at examples in my
life to really prove that to my brain because the brain I feel
like really needs that assuranceand like familiarity to say
like, OK, but prove it to me. And it's like, OK, in these
little ways. Like I can see the times where I
lost somebody that I really loved, that it like led me to
like my greatest passion or in the smaller ways.

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I went on a trip and I thought my friend canceled, my friend
went out of town. I was supposed to like go on the
trip with. And all of a sudden, like once I
get there, it ends up being the most magical trip and everything
happens, falls into place and isunexpected.
But I thought everything was falling apart.
You know, in those little moments, I, like, remind myself
of the times where I really thought everything was gonna be

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fucked up. And then I'm like, oh, wait, it
actually turned out great. It turned out the best that it
could have. The divine redirection.
The divine redirection? I just thought about the Rainbow
Gathering. Tell us about the Rainbow
Gatherings. Guys.
This is like crazy. Like Madison has lived such a
crazy life. Like she's like lived so many

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different chapters and lives like all within the last 10
years. It's like wild.
What is a Rainbow Gathering? Okay, a Rainbow Gathering is.
I'm gonna laugh if anyone else who's been to a Rainbow
Gathering is listening to this, but who knows?
Okay, a Rainbow Gathering started as a social experiment

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in the 70s around like everyone's getting drafted for
war. We needed peace.
I think like, you know, like, but.
Not history, really, I know. We're just feelings.
Yeah, it's really TuneIn. But it's a social experiment of
30 days, no money, no leaders. They call it circular
leadership, Like when there's a decision to be made, you pass

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the talking stick. You sit in a circle.
You sit in a circle like you digyour own toilets.
They're called shits, shit pits,everybody.
It's you can donate in a hat at the end of dinner or you offer
work. And so it's like a time currency
change. But what made me think about
this was I was living in Thailand is my first travel.

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I was 19. I already been there for a year
and a half and the last thing I wanted to do was go home and I
was on like I think I probably Ihad like 20 to $30 to my name.
Like I was just floating, no cash.
It's like, and I got in a motorbike accident, like fully

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hit by the side of another motorbike going like 40 mph.
I was with two other friends on one motorbike and I'm on the
very back like the worst and I just.
Fall on the road, get hurt. It was terrible and when you
rent a motorbike they take your passport.
So now my all I know is my passport is with a motorbike

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shop. My motorbike is totaled, my
friends are broken foot like in the hospital.
Did you break anything or were you just like cut?
Up I hurt my tailbone and it's been This is where pole dance
honestly is like ancient chiropractic cuz I feel like
it's really like I feel like ballet and dance doesn't always
have the most healthy way of stretching that it would

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actually really hurt my lower back where pole has never hurt
you yeah it's always like brought me back to alignment of
course it does hurt the skin but.
Yeah, but not the actual like bones, yeah.
But all I know is I'm broke in Thailand and my whole family is
like come home. And you're like, I don't want to

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come. Home like yeah, but I'm like,
what can you do when you have nomoney and you I was fire dancing
for income and I couldn't fire dance anymore.
Like what? Just I wasn't broken bones, but
I was like in the ocean every day just trying to heal and
slight limp walking. And the two friends I was with
said well we could go to a Rainbow gathering.

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Like you don't need money at a Rainbow Gather.
OK, amazing. And so I tell my I asked my dad
if I can borrow $50.00 for a flight from Thailand to
Indonesia. I think like other families came
to like I think literally a GoFundMe funded this motorbike
and got our passports back. Whoa.
I could buy a $50 flight to Indonesia and hitchhike the

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island of Java from Jakarta to the east side?
This is so crazy. I don't.
Know if you've told me this exact story?
This is the story. And was sleeping on bus station
floors with these two friends ofmine, like, just friends for
life and hitchhiked all the way to the Rainbow Gathering.
And that was just the most transformative experience in my

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life. And I feel like this was at a
point in time where, yeah, I wastaking my healing very seriously
as a very unserious backpacker circus freak.
But I feel like I was really owned all my worth with my
gifts. Like something about not being a
fire dancer anymore made me like, just full identity crisis.

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Who am I in this world without this being like what I lead
with? And I feel like just no money in
this community of people that I could only get to know through
presents. Yeah, well, was probably still
like the most powerful, like coming of age part of my story,
like, OK, like. And I feel like that's what's

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now helped me. Well now forming my business and
having moments of stretched really thin being like I know I
can know money, no shoes do this.
Sleep on the floor. God will provide.
Yeah, really. You'll never go hungry.
You have to like, learn how to ask for what you need and be
vulnerable in that. And of course it's vulnerable to

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show up somewhere and say you don't have any money to offer,
but like being willing to offer time in the kitchen.
Totally. And just like these other
things. But I feel like, yeah, that was
just thank God I got in that motorbike accident.
Which is like, so crazy to say because it's like, that's such a
scary moment in the moment. But yeah, it's, it's just a part

(01:03:32):
of life of like sometimes you doneed that divine redirection to
get to where you need to get. Because I don't know if on my
own free will I would have been like, yeah.
Take me to the Rainbow Gathering.
Sick. All shit in this pit and then
it's just like so crazy to see like where you are now.
Well, right, the pendulum swing of OK, I don't need money to

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being like, but I want money. And I'm open to receiving.
Yeah, I'm open to the expansion.Yeah, and like I want organic
food, like knowing your values and beautiful holidays.
And one of my mantras for abundance is may I have enough
to? Share Wow, I love that.

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You know, because I think so many of us it is.
Oh my God, wait. Can you say that again?
That's so good, guys. You've never told me this.
I'm. Obsessed I have I haven't dig it
like I know I said I have enoughto share but I think I also say
like I have more than enough to share yes yeah, because I think
that I'm pouring from an overfilling.

(01:04:38):
Cup. Like definitely not trying to
sit on the mic and be like just manifest your dreams.
I think it needs to be from thisplace of service and really
praying. Like I know that like I want to
get rich because I want to be able to help on a grander scale.
Totally. That's exactly how I feel.
And like this is something that I was teaching in podcast camp.

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And honestly, when I start to work with anybody in their
business and what they want to create, I'm like, stop making it
about you is the moment that youmake it about you.
You get in your own way, but themoment that you make it about
your purpose and your service and your why behind it is the
moment that you feel motivated by love and driven by this like

(01:05:21):
force of like love, which I justlove so much.
I just thought of us before our last showcase and everyone's
performances. I know everyone listening maybe
can't resonate to what I'd feel like to perform, but if you
could remember like a time. And you performed even when you.
Were a second grade, 3rd grade, like a play, like anything, like
the nerves that come up. And this is where the muse has

(01:05:45):
helped me realize it's not even about you.
And I remember holding all your hands being like, listen up
ladies, this isn't even about you.
Yes. And you owe it to yourself and
you owe it to your muse to get out of your own way and just get
in a flow state. And channel what needs to be
channeled through like before wegot on the mics today, I'm like,
we're, we're doing like a littleprayer, little ceremony to enter

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us in the space. And the thing that I really
wanted to say and that I say before recording every podcast
is allow me to say something that has the ability to change
one person's life or help one person in one way, rather than
thinking about it in this like masses and numbers, Like no, I
just want to have the impact on one person and the way the sun
comes out right now. And just like it's like the same

(01:06:28):
with the muse. It's just like I have to allow
it to channel through me, you know?
And if I over intellectualize, if I make it about me, if I make
it about how other people perceive me, I get in my own way
of my mission and my purpose, which is to channel through
things that people need to hear,you know, for their journey.
And it's like the moment that I make it about that is the moment

(01:06:49):
that I want to show up, that I'mlike devoted and I'm like, this
feels juicy. This feels this feels sweet
feeling so. Sweet.
Yeah. I feel like there's something
about the inner perfectionist. Well, yeah, OK, around like.
I feel like the perfectionist iscan be in this, like, it can get
channeled in this way of performance anxiety or how's it

(01:07:11):
gonna be perceived? And I think that's this other
thing I've heard of anxiety is your mental space being stuck in
the future versus the present. Yeah.
And I feel like there is a rightful home for the
perfectionist and the artist, ofcourse.
Like I would only be the refinedpole dancer.
I am like because I watch videosand I'm like.

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Oh, I want to be like that. Yeah, like extend that arm,
finger, roll the hands, like just more and more perfection
and presence. Yeah.
But I feel like, yeah, maybe that's The thing is
perfectionism has its place and presence.
Yeah, but not in future scenarioanxiety.
Totally like if you're grounded in your body like a loud and

(01:07:53):
just knowing like, but it's likethe driven force behind the
perfectionism too. You know, it's like, is it
because like there's a part of you that really is called to
move in that way, You know, versus like, I want to look this
certain way so that I can feel like I'm beautiful.
You know, like that mindset is coming from this place that is

(01:08:15):
not the muse, but the muse is like, but I wanna do it because
I know I am beauty already, you know?
Does that make sense? Yeah, like loving every part of
the process. Yes.
Like the process to perfection is hilarious and like letting it
be hilarious. I like so feel my students when
they get so hard on themselves and I feel like it's like this

(01:08:35):
moment of like, look, it's not gonna get easier.
You're actually gonna constantlybe reaching new thresholds of
tricks, and the more you can just increase your capacity to
BMS. Yeah, and the.
Quicker you'll grow. Totally increasing your capacity
for discomfort and, yeah, meeting that discomfort with
slowness and sweetness and compassion, which is really, I

(01:08:57):
feel like the medicine of this season of sweetness.
And the episode today is like, how can you do things in a way
where it is a living Organism and it's a living prayer.
It is like a living muse flowingthrough you.
Yeah, it feels like this difference of trying to
intellectualize what it is you need to do for the world and

(01:09:17):
coming from this embodied place of what do you need to do for
yourself and knowing that those small steps will lead you like
your needs probably do, mirror another group of humans needs
that it will speak to. Totally.
So like tuning in, like what aremy own needs and getting curious
with yourself, like, and also leaning into like what feels

(01:09:41):
good, like how you discovered Silken Earth, Not from like, I'm
ready to start this business andgo, no, you're like, I am just
walking through the forest barefoot.
And I'm seeing the ways that something that can be dying can
be alchemized into new life. And like, it's it's really, it's
really interesting because it's not something that I almost can
verbally explain, but I know theskinny listeners get it.

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It's like that nuance. It's like a very fine line, and
it's just being moved with a different intention, kind of.
And it's like, how can you just come back to that awareness?
Because whenever I'm getting caught up, it's just because
like, yeah, I'm over intellectualizing and I'm not
being in my body. And it's like the moment that I
shift into my body and shift into the earth and shift into

(01:10:25):
the grounding, I'm like, oh, I'mlike, I can just take my time.
You know, I can just, I'm doing exactly what I need to be doing.
Yeah. And not being hard on yourself.
I feel like I wish I said this earlier of like I also didn't
just only do what I love all thetime.
Like I've had 101 gigs. Like I've been that girl in the

(01:10:45):
grocery store parking lot getting signatures for petitions
like a Craigslist ad gig. Or you were a waterfall tour
guide. That was a waterfall tour guide
when you met me. Like so this is all like years
of work and like sometimes it's also taking those jobs as
stepping stones and not reactingto it as a way of like, I feel

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like at my main self talk would be like I failed.
And so now I'm doing this and just seeing everything as a
stepping stone and a part of thestory to the success.
Yeah, I love that. Because if you're not like maybe
working the exact job that aligns with the Renaissance way
of being, of sharing your gifts and everything and living in
this way of being an artist, like, it can get frustrating.

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And I feel like we can feel really down on ourselves,
especially when we see other people doing it.
And it's like, it's like, no, itdoesn't mean it doesn't mean
you're, you're, you failed. It means you just haven't done
it yet and you need to go through certain things and
you're getting there. It's just everything's a
stepping stone. I that is like the best advice
ever. Like.
Where we talked about everything.
I'm so proud of us. I love you so much.

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I'm literally so grateful for you.
And where can everybody find you?
Where can they find Silken Earth?
Where can they find the Future House Amuse Retreat?
Where can they find Madison Kamino?
Where, where where can they findyou?
Oh. Yeah, just my Instagram, Madison
Kamino. That we tagged below.
And yeah, silk and Earth is justsilk and earth and.

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You're like, it's not complicated, girl.
I love very literal branding. Yeah, you can't do this.
But yeah, I'm so excited. I'm definitely just holding the
vision of like, I feel like there's this fun idea of I just
pray everyone's seen the Lizzie McGuire movie when she goes to

(01:12:33):
Spain. I need to watch that ASAP.
Oh my gosh, it's so good. And I feel like that's just the
vision I'm feeling for. Summer Hey now, this is what
jeans are made of you're like the last thing I want to leave
you with your homework is to watch the Lizzie McGuire movie.
I. Just get stuck and I'm just

(01:12:55):
thinking like, that's the European summer I'm calling in
and I just want to have like best slumber party ever, best
day. Ever.
Yeah, I just feel like European summer is so iconic in that
thing on the mood board and I would just feel like that would
be legendary to get a group of women.
I'm just seeing like cucumber facials, like just living our

(01:13:15):
best lives, like hold the frequency yes of European hot
girls summer. I love it so it's the house is.
That what we're talking about, The House of Muse?
Yeah. I think so, Yeah.
Yeah. OK.
I love that Renaissance retreat.House of Muse.
Oh my God. But I also.
I want to tie silk into it. It's all just it feels also
diverse that sometimes I'm like,is all this making sense it?

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Makes sense because it's your muse, like your muse holds all
of them. And that's something I also want
to reiterate or iterate for the first time in this podcast, but
reiterate to you is that all thethings that you love is your
brand. Like you are your brand.
You are the thing that makes it amazing is by combining all
these different things that you love.

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And it does make sense. They all do fit together because
they're all part of your channeling of your muse, you
know? So obviously, check out
everything Madison's doing because she's just, like, the
most amazing person ever. And I'm lucky to love her and
lucky to have her in my life. And I'm so grateful that you
guys all got to meet her today because yeah, I feel like this
conversation speaks for itself. I know everyone is having so

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many downloads, so please message us.
You can throw us in a group chatif you want on on Instagram and
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Make sure to share this episode with somebody that you love or
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makes me so excited. Like it makes me want to cry and

(01:14:40):
so excited when I know you guys are enjoying the podcast because
sometimes I'm like, I know you guys are out there.
I see your numbers on the screen, but can we connect?
Can I see what you're thinking too?
And just make sure to subscribe if you're new, follow along and
check out everything that's going on in the Skinny Dipping
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Skinny Dippers and the Soul and Progress community.
Check everything out. And I love you guys so much.
Madison, thank you for coming on.
What is the last thought that you would like to leave us with?
I think I just feel so much gratitude and just even in our
sisterhood and just knowing like, yeah, we're each other's

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angels. We really are.
Yeah. So let's continue answer.
Prayer and honestly like answer prayer, we're looking for each
other. We're like and I think yeah, the
takeaways from today is like follow your muse, deny
appearances. What is another one that we said
that's like a little like grasping thing?
Living. Live your life as a prayer.

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Find the sweetness in the resistance.
Mm hmm, move like honey. What else?
What else are takeaways?