Spiritual Wellness Through Reiki, Feminine Energetics, and So Much More

Skirts Up is joined by special guest, Kelly Kingsland. Kelly is an energetic mentor, Reiki master, ordained metaphysical minister, and certified hypnotherapist.

The conversation delves into Kelly's journey into Reiki, her unexpected introduction to it, and its impact on her spiritual development.

Kelly explains the principles and healing aspects of Reiki, discussing chakras and their significance. There is an extensive deep dive into the chakras placement, color, and purpose!

She also touches on the concept of feminine energetics and its importance for high-achieving women in male-dominated industries. The discussion explores the intersection of energy work, meditation, and hypnosis, highlighting the potential for self-healing and the importance of intention and synchronicity in spiritual growth. Including (but certainly not limited to ) the use of crystals! Where to find crystals, and when and how to use different crystals for healing.

The episode concludes with a fascinating look at the spiritualist community of Lily Dale, New York, and the possibility of a future visit to experience its unique spiritual offerings.

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Episode Transcript

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(01:55):
Today we have with us ourfriend, Kelly Kingsland.
She is an energetic mentor, aReiki master, a ordained metaphysical
minister, and she justrecently became certified as a hypnotherapist.
Did I say all that right?
Yeah, that's right.
You did.
Good job.
Welcome.
Thank you so much for having us.

(02:17):
Yeah, yeah, of course.
Looking forward to it.
Yeah.
Tell us a little bit aboutyourself and your journey.
Yeah.
Oh, my goodness.
So back in.
It's been a long one.
I've been doing Reiki and suchsince 2011, so 14 years now.
And my original introductionto Reiki was kind of a weird story.

(02:41):
I had gone to a place inLilydale that I know there was some
interest in.
And it's a spiritualist community.
Okay.
So everybody that lives thereis a member of the spiritualist church.
And they are either healers or mediums.

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And I had gone for a class, aweekend long class.
It was called Spiritual Intensive.
So I was doing thespiritualist form of energy healing
on somebody.
And gentlemen I'd never met before.
Right.
Cause these are all strangers.
I'm there by myself.
I didn't know a Soul.

(03:23):
That's bold.
And he asked me if I didReiki, and I said, no, I don't even
know what it is.
And he said, well, I'm a Reikimaster, and if you don't do Reiki,
you should.
So I said, okay, sounds good, right?
Whatever.
Who is this guy?
Yeah.
Went home, you know, didn'tthink about it again.

(03:45):
And then a couple monthslater, I guess I was online and I
looked on Google, becauseGoogle knows everything.
We were just talking about that.
I searched Reiki in the city Ilive in and went down to.
I think it was the second.

(04:05):
I never go for the firstlisting because I figure they're
always paid, right.
So I went down to this.
Yeah.
So I went down to the nextone, and I clicked on it, and, you
know, this picture came up ofa woman, and she looked, you know,
very nice and very pleasant.
I thought, oh, okay.
So I scrolled down and.
Okay, Reiki Level 1, ReikiLevel 2.
Reiki Master, perfect.

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All the things I want.
She also taught meditation,things like that.
And I reached.
I scrolled down further, and Iwas kind of like, that can't be right.
So I phoned her because, youknow, back in 2011, we didn't really
text all that much yet.

(04:47):
So I called her, and I waslike, just out of curiosity, this
is going to sound like areally weird question, but is this
the right address?
She said, yeah.
I said, okay, I live acrossthe street from you.
Oh, wow.
And she kind of was like, oh.

(05:08):
I said, yeah, like, I can seeyour house from my front door.
I had never met her.
I'd lived here for, like, 18years at the time.
Holy cow.
And had never met her.
And it was funny because onceI started going to her house for
my training, even her car hada license plate that said Reiki 1.

(05:28):
And I just had never noticedit before.
And it's funny because whenyou do your level one training, there
is a proverb that says, whenthe student is ready, the teacher
will appear.
So I was kind of like, thereyou go.
You know, that's all aboutintention, synchronicity.
You know, like, the thingshappen for the weirdest reasons.

(05:50):
Yeah.
I don't know if you.
That I am a level two.
I'm not anywhere near amaster, but I did go and do some
courses, and it was kind ofsimilar what happened to me.
Like, I used to work withhorses, and I.
There's a certain kind ofenergy work that you can do with

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them.
So similar to Reiki, and I. Ididn't know anything about Reiki,
but I knew about the Mastersonmethod and I used to work with horses
to help them release some,like, bad emotions or like some pains
and some stress and tightness,and it was all just energy from the
hands and one.
So about a couple years ago,my friend Melissa called me and says,

(06:33):
you have to do this coursewith me.
And I was like, what?
And she says, it's Reiki.
And I was like, I've heard ofReiki, but I don't really know what
it is.
She's like, you would.
It's for you.
It's made for you.
And I was like, I don't even know.
And then I went out there andI did it with her and loved it, but
I felt like it came to me.
I didn't seek it out.
Like, it was just.

(06:53):
It was time, I guess.
I actually am super uneducatedin Reiki.
So.
Yeah, let's do it.
Let's.
You're not only you, like,there's lots of people.
Yeah.
So maybe do you mind kind ofexplaining to us exactly, like what
Reiki looks like and what thehealing aspects of it?
Because I, I feel like it's ahealing aspect.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely.

(07:17):
This is what you know when yousee those posts, what could you talk
about for an hour?
This is it.
Love it.
Wonderful.
Let's do it.
Is this like your.
Your biggest passion out ofall of your titles, are you most.
You know what, they're all intertwined.
Right.
Like, everything is energy.
So Reiki was my introduction.

(07:38):
I actually know someone whomade a joke and called it the gateway
drug.
Because as soon as you learnthat, you start learning everything
else.
And the metaphysical minister.
Well, metaphysical is allabout energy as well.
Right.
And then I work with Feminine Energetics.
Yep.
So it was my start.

(07:58):
I've never heard that before.
Sorry.
Feminine Energetics.
I know we're going to talkabout Reiki, but Yes.
I have never heard that termFeminine energetics.
What is that?
Just real quick.
We're learning all the things, guys.
Yeah, no kidding.
Feminine Energetics is basedon the concept fact that feminine

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and masculine energies are twovery different things.
Okay, okay.
So feminine energy is verymuch based on intuition, teamwork,
kind of sitting back to.
To allow things to happen.
Male energy is more push,hustle, work independently, like

(08:43):
the more forceful type of energy.
And I work with women,specifically high achieving women
who are either like corporateor business owners, and they're stuck
in the, I like to call it thegrind and the hustle.
Right.
So they're trying to work liketheir male counterparts.

(09:04):
But in doing so, they'restarting to burn out.
And the burnout rates in womenin corporate are 58% versus 47% in
men.
Interesting.
Whereas they can still havethe same level of success, but by
using the energies that cometo them naturally.

(09:25):
Huh.
I never would have thought of that.
And we'll have to delve deeperinto that for sure.
I don't know if you'd bewilling to come back, but we can
talk.
Thank you for explaining that.
That's a. Yeah, that's.
That actually does put it intoperspective because you're right.
Like we always say that mostof the industries that we work it
really hard in are maledominated industries.

(09:46):
And it's really easy, as yousaid, because we are more emotional
and intuitive to pick up ontheir energy and their work habits
to where we're trying to morphinto their ways as opposed to playing
on our own strengths andbringing people.
So.
Yeah, I never would havethought of that.
Yeah.
And if you're in like a higherlevel corporate, chances are you're

(10:11):
going to be surrounded by men.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Right.
So to be.
A lot of women don'tunderstand that they don't have to
work like them.
Right.
You don't have to do a 60 hourweek and you don't have to be aggressive.
You can get things done byusing what you have and then it's

(10:32):
not as exhausting for youbecause it's something that comes
naturally.
That.
That could be a whole episode.
I love that.
Yeah.
It, to me, it kind of remindsme of the Yin and Yang energy maybe.
Exactly.
Okay.
It's exactly that.
Okay.
That's, that's.
Yeah.
I would love to discuss moreinto that.
Yes.

(10:52):
That would be very valuable toone of our listeners.
How does that, like you said,it's all intertwined.
So how does that kind of wrapinto to Reiki then?
Because A, the energetic baseand B, when I work with my clients,
I actually help them learn thechakras and how to recognize when

(11:14):
they become blocked.
Because again, energy.
Right.
If your throat chakra isblocked, you're not going to be able
to speak up for yourself.
Right.
How many women sit there andsay, well, I'm just not going to
say anything.
No one wants to hear what Ihave to say.
Right.
When you get past that, thenyou're contributing more and making

(11:36):
your opinion known, whichgives you a stronger standing.
Right.
So it all intertwines together.
Yeah.
So just for like those whoaren't really sure what Reiki is
I just kind of want to like.
And you will correct me, Ihope, please, Kelly.
But just kind of a quick overview.
Reiki is the idea of like auniversal energy, right?

(12:01):
And we can use it.
We want it to be able to flowthrough our bodies freely, if I understand.
Right.
And our chakras are differentpoints in our bodies that can, like
you said, be blocked andstifle the flow of this pure energy,
which can be used for healing.
And.
Okay, so what are the chakras?

(12:22):
Yeah.
So first I'm going to tell youa little analogy that I tend to use
with my students.
If you're picturing what itwould be like to have a block chakra
for people that aren't reallyinto the whole energetic thing and
need a more tactile idea,picture a sink drain, okay.
And it has a clog.
The water can get down thisfar and then it stops.

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Or the water can back up thisfar and then it stops.
So in balancing your chakras,you're getting rid of this clog so
that everything is flowing theway that it should.
Okay, so there's seven mainchakras in the body.
The main.
Well, there's actually hundreds.
But the seven main ones runfrom the base of the spine to the

(13:08):
top of the head.
And that is your mainenergetic channel.
So at the very bottom, at thebase of your spine, right at your
tailbone, is the root.
Now, every chakra is attachedto emotions, events, colors.
So the root chakra is verymuch based in security.
It's, you know, like infantdevelopment type thing.

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The need for security, theneed for, you know, warmth and family
and love and, you know,knowing that you're going to be fed
and that you have a roof overyour head.
Like, it's very much the.
The basic necessities that we need.
And people that tend to haveblocked shock or blocked roots are

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ones that have, you know,they've moved around a lot, so they've
never really had a chance tosettle and develop a community.
They've been through upheavalsin their childhood which have made
them feel unsafe.
Right.
Things like that.
The next one, and the colorfor that is red, by the way.

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The next one up is just abouta couple inches under the belly button,
and it's called the sacral.
And that's actually all aboutmoney, sex, and self expression.
So because it is anchoredright around where the female womb

(14:32):
is, it's attached.
Right.
The color for that is orange.
And people that tend to beblocked there, you know, have been
abused as a child, sexuallyAbused, have had, you know, violent
relationships, are unsure ofthemselves, you know, whether it

(14:53):
be their, how they presentthemselves in a sensual way or if
they're, you know, kind ofdebating their orientation, if they're
unsure.
You.
Know, things like that.
Also, if you've had ongoingmoney issues, that's going to be
anchored there as well.

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So I like to joke that it'sall about sex and money.
Yeah, sounds like a great one.
The next one up is at thestomach area and it's called the
solar plexus.
That one's the color yellow.
And the solar plexus is allabout how you present yourself.

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It's your self esteem, it'syour belief in yourself, in your
abilities, your self confidence.
All of that is in there.
And a lot of times you willsee blockages there.
People who are uncomfortablewith who they are and try to present

(16:01):
themselves as someone different.
Right.
I always say, you know, a lotof people, pretty much everybody
will wear a mask when they'reout in public to present what they
think people want to see asopposed to who they truly are.
And that is anchored in there.
The next one up is the heart.

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The heart is green.
And that one is all about loveand relationships.
So people that have a blockedheart, you'll often find have had
extreme loss.
So the loss of children,spouse, parents, pets even, they
are unsure of their relationships.

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And if they didn't have properexamples growing up, they might not
know how to, in a healthy way,love somebody else.
The throat obviously is thethroat that's color blue.
And that one is all aboutbeing able to speak your truth, giving
your opinions, making your,your opinion heard.

(17:08):
And people that are blocked.
If you see children who arealways told children should be seen
and not heard.
Yeah, right.
Things like that.
Or you'll see a woman orsomebody who's new in a setting,
a work setting, and they tryto say something and people shoot

(17:28):
them down.
So then it's kind of like,well, what's the point?
No one's going to listen to me anyways.
Right?
Yeah.
Next one up is the third eye.
So it's located right here.
And the color for this one is violet.
And this is your connection tothe spiritual.
It's your intuition, yourpsychic abilities.

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It's where you receive the unseen.
So things that can block thatwould be.
If you were raised withcertain beliefs that disallow for
anything like that, you know,if you were to ever start investigating
this, you would be punished,that sort of thing, Religious dogma,

(18:17):
it could also be blocked ifyou are very Science based and not
willing to look at things thatare not visible to the naked eye.
Right.
And then your crown, obviouslycrowning your head.
And this is your.
It's white.
And it's your connection tothe universe.

(18:39):
So it's your trust in the universe.
It's your trust that theuniverse is taking care of you and
is looking out for you andeverything will end up the way it's
supposed to.
I always tell my kids, kidswho are in their 20s, you will end
up exactly where you're meantto be.
So when bad things happen, youlose a job, you break up with your

(19:01):
partner or whatever, there'ssomething else that's going to happen.
That's.
Why do you have.
As bad as it is now, do.
You believe that just foranybody, like, what if you're not
living the life the way that you.
What if everything is cloggedin you, all your chakras?
Do you know what I mean?
Do you really believe that nomatter what, whether you're a good

(19:23):
person or a bad person, you'regonna end up where you're supposed
to be?
Because I feel like there's somany things that can affect our journeys.
There are.
And my belief is that a.
My guardian angels are leadingme where I need to go.
Okay.
Keeping me from going where Ishouldn't, but also that the universe

(19:45):
has plans for us.
Right.
Like, my belief is that beforewe're born, we sign a contract, metaphorically,
as to what we need to learn inthis lifetime and what things we're
going to experience in orderto learn that.
And sometimes they're badthings, and sometimes they're good

(20:07):
things and everybody goesthrough good and bad.
Yeah.
Right.
I think it's how they use thatthat determines their end game.
But do I think that bad peopleare meant to be bad?
I think that that's what they.

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That's what they contracted tobefore they came.
It was something they had to learn.
Interesting.
So.
And anybody who's open to itcan have their chakras cleared.
Okay.
You know, and the reason Ilike to teach Reiki instead of just
doing Reiki is because thenthey know how to do it to themselves.
Oh, so it's not external.

(20:50):
Right.
You do it to yourself so youcan maintain the balance as opposed
to having to run to somebodyto fix it every time you go out of
balance.
That makes sense.
How do you figure out or learnwhat chakras are blocked energetically?
You can feel them.
Like, if you do Reiki, you canlearn how to feel where the blockages

(21:15):
Are Okay.
And because Reiki.
Well, you've done level two,so, you know, Reiki can travel space
and time.
You can do distance.
So I used to back pre Covid.
I would do it.
I would just do readings overthe Internet, over Zoom, and just

(21:36):
kind of get into their energy,feel where the blockages were, and
then, you know, describe it.
Now, we don't diagnose.
We're not medicalprofessionals, so I can't say this
is what's wrong with you andyou need to do this, but I can give
you my interpretation of whatI feel that makes sense.
And I have heard of peoplegoing and saying, oh, I'm feeling

(22:03):
like maybe you need to gocheck, get this checked out.
Like, their Reiki practitionersaid that to them, and then they
did.
They went to the doctor and,oh, yeah, you got something going
on here.
So, like, you.
That's.
That to me, is veryinteresting, but.
Yeah, it's pretty cool.
Okay, so do I know.

(22:24):
There's so many questions.
I feel like you're looking atme for answers.
Yeah.
Okay.
So we talked about how you just.
You can kind of feel thatwhere your blockage is.
Um, and then I guess there isanother aspect that I want to move
into.
But once you do find thatblockage, like, what does the process

(22:45):
look like in.
In healing that?
So when you do Reiki, you areusing the energy that is around you
in your environment,channeling it through your body and
sending it out your hands intothe client, into the person receiving.
The basis of Reiki is that thebody mind knows what it needs and

(23:08):
where it needs it.
Okay, so with Reiki, youaren't specifically treating something.
You are treating the wholebody, and the body's going to use
it where it needs it.
Now, if you have blockagessomewhere and you emotionally are
not ready to release them,they're not going to release.

(23:33):
So that's when you would gofor more than one session and work
through the emotional issuesthat are causing it to stay.
Is that verbal or just energetically.
Multiple sessions.
Energetically.
Okay, so it's just another.
Not just, but it's likeanother form of therapy.

(23:54):
It's another way to kind ofwork through trauma is kind of what
I'm picking up on.
If it's blocked, then it'ssome sort of trauma that you're trying
to release.
Clear.
I think more maybe you'retrying to clear.
Tell me if I'm wrong, Kelly.
The energy that's residualfrom that trauma, is that.
Exactly.

(24:14):
Yeah.
Because our bodies holdmemories, and it can be Ancestral.
It can be in the uterus and itcan be, you know, since you've been
born.
But we hold trauma indifferent parts of our bodies.
Right.
So your body has to be readyto release that trauma.

(24:39):
And sometimes it needs morethan Reiki.
Sometimes you do need to gofor therapy and counseling.
Right.
Like if you were sexuallyabused as a child, no matter how
much I work on you, yoursacral is not going to open up.
That's something you need towork through so that your body feels
safe releasing it.
Oh, interesting.
I like the way you justexplained that.

(25:01):
Yeah.
It's so interesting that itdoes all tie in what you just mentioned
about ancestral blockages and energy.
We just learned aboutreincarnation and how what that looks
like, how you can reach traumas.

(25:21):
Past life trauma.
Yeah, yeah.
I can't find the word that I'mlooking for, but it was really interesting.
So it's, it's just, it's funto hear how that ties into Reiki
as well.
I was curious too.
Yeah.
Well, because everything's energetic.
Yeah.
Everything's energy.
Yeah.
And what we did, I guess, just briefly.

(25:42):
So we can touch up on thistoo, when we were talking about the
reincarnation that tied intothe hypnosis.
So your hypnosiscertification, what aspect is that
tying into in your credentials?
So it's amazing because I alsoteach meditation, and it's amazing

(26:04):
how much hypnosis andmeditation are connected.
It's very much the same, butin a different format.
Okay.
So there's different parts toa hypnosis session, a hypnotherapy
session, and there's theinitial part which relaxes you, and

(26:28):
then there's a second partwhich is called a deepener.
And those are things you dowhen you're meditating.
Right.
Because the whole idea behindboth meditation and hypnosis is to
bring your brain waves downfrom beta into alpha, and in doing
that, your subconsciousbecomes more receptive.

(26:49):
They kind of work the same.
It's just how they'restructured that are different.
Okay.
So, and speaking of pastlives, I'm actually looking at doing
past life regression hypnosis program.
Yes.
So that would be super cool.
Yes.
That is what our guest that wehad on a couple of weeks ago.

(27:10):
She's a past life regressionhypnosis, and she was just explaining
how the hypnosis works andthen just the past lives that you
experience and then how youcan pinpoint the generational traumas
that come through.
I actually had a session withher, and so that was kind of Neat.

(27:33):
Oh, nice.
Yeah.
So it did remind me a lot ofmeditation, because she's basically
just guiding me to, like, aplace where I can feel safe and kind
of let go of some of my fearsand thoughts.
And then she did.
She took me deeper, and thenit was like, now just kind of feel.

(27:58):
Just feel your way through.
It was.
It was really interesting.
A way to let go.
Yeah, it was really cool.
I had a question about.
You were talking about peopleholding tension and trauma in different
places of the body.
I want to say I remember, andmaybe I'm wrong, but I remember my
Reiki teacher telling mesomething about telling us, like,

(28:20):
oh, yeah, there are certainparts of the body that corresponded
to.
And is it because of the chakras?
Like, maybe if somebody hasknee pain, it might be usually because
of some, not always.
Oh, I see what you're saying.
Certain kinds of trauma.
Does that sound.
Does that sound true?
Yeah, I mean, I don't get intothe medical aspect of it.

(28:43):
There are people calledmedical intuitives who can go in
and read your body and tellyou where things are happening and
why they're happening.
Okay.
I mean, again, it kind ofsometimes will be a bit of a gray
line because they'll say, oh,well, you have this wrong here, but

(29:03):
it's a medical diagnosisbecause they're medical intuitives.
Right.
But as a Reiki master, I can'tdo that.
Right.
But the body, the way itworks, where you experience issues
isn't necessarily where theissue is.
Right.
Which is why in Reiki, youtreat the whole body.

(29:25):
So, you know, you both mighthave knee pain, but one of you, it
might be because, you know,you hurt your ankle and your knee's
overcompensating.
And one of you, it might bebecause your hip is out, so your
knee's overcompensating.
So by treating the knee,you're really not helping the issue.
Right.
So that's why it focuses onfull body healing as opposed to spots.

(29:50):
And like myself, when I'mstressed, I anchor it in one specific
section of my body, and I knowthat about myself, so I can recognize
it when it happens.
But, like, sometimes it's myhip, sometimes it's my lower back.
Last time it was my neck.
Right?
Like, and I'll know becauseall of a sudden it's just like, wow,
okay, that's really a lot oftension and really tight.

(30:13):
What's going on?
And then I know that, okay,it's stress, so I need to do something
to address the stress.
It's not a physical Thing.
Right.
So as you become more in tunewith your body and your energy, you
can recognize those things.
It's funny that you say thatbecause I'm definitely guilty of
like, when I was going througha very stressful time in my life,

(30:35):
I, I would notice thatdifferent parts of my body or were
the parts that were tensed up.
And so I'd go to Google and belike, okay, what does it mean if
your hips are feeling the tension?
And then I would like be ableto kind of like read through what
it would suggest.
And, and a lot of times it wasactually pretty spot on.
Like, I, I remember when I wasfeeling all the tension in my hips,

(30:56):
I, I believe it said somethinglike that typically means you're
holding on to like resentment.
So it doesn't, I mean thatdoesn't sound like it's exactly talking
about chakras, but it did.
It was true.
I was holding on to kind ofhard feelings, wondering.
Yeah, I also was wondering too.

(31:16):
You were talking about how allthe chakra, the chakras have color
associated with them.
I was in a metaphysical store.
And you know how they havethose little sound bowls that you
can ring and they're.
I, I guess certain tones arealso associated with different chakras,
like frequencies.
Okay, yeah.

(31:37):
Tell me why, why is the sacralchakra chakra senses?
I bet you said orange.
Maybe, but yeah, tell.
Can you kind of shed somelight on that?
Why is it orange?
Yeah, like why are therecertain colors associated?
Like where did that come from?
Is it can't be willy nilly,hundreds of years ago.

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I honestly don't know where it originated.
Okay.
Like if you go into ametaphysical store, you'll see like
wall hangings and stuff andit'll be a body and it'll have, you
know, like white, purple.
Yeah, that's the chakras.
Okay.
I honestly don't know why theywere given those colors.
Okay.
Okay.
It's something I've neverlearned and actually, to be honest,

(32:23):
never thought of.
Oh, well, then I was evenwondering like, oh, are certain colors
nice and.
Good to have around you?
Do they.
If you know, you have your,your chakra block, do you need to
surround yourself with white?
Like, is that kind of what you were?
Yeah, exactly.
Exactly.
If your root is blocked, eatred food, you know, surround yourself

(32:43):
with the color red.
Yeah.
Okay, so the red means red crystals.
Okay.
It does mean something.
And, and when I, all of mysessions vary depending on the individual.
And in some cases I'll usecrystals to kind of amplify the energy
that I'm sending.

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And there are specificcrystals associated to specific chakras
because they have the color to match.
Oh, I'm so glad you said that.
That's one of the things Ididn't understand going into those
stores is, you see all thecrystals and all the rocks and stones,
and.
And I had no idea, like, whatthe point of them was.
So every crystal has adifferent property, you know, and

(33:27):
they have different representations.
So amethyst, for example, Ialways put on here because it's the
color purple.
But also it's known to cleansethe blood.
It's, you know, positiveenergy, that sort of thing.
Rose quartz is the love stone.

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It's pink, so it actuallydoesn't match up with.
That's one of the ones thatdoesn't match with the chakra.
But, you know, when you arefeeling that you need love around
you, you're supposed tosurround yourself with rose quartz.
But I will use, like, abloodstone for the root because it's

(34:07):
dark.
And I will use a. I can'tremember the name of it, but it's
orange.
So I'll use that on the sacral.
I'll use a citrine on thesolar plexus because it's yellow.
Right.
An adventurine on the heart.
So there's, you know, a lapison the throat because it's.

(34:28):
Does that mean you'rephysically holding it?
I place it on the individualduring a session.
Yeah.
I'll do it with you.
So when you're cleansingyourself, do you do that, too?
Like, if you are trying tocleanse, like, you know, you have
something here, like, you justhold the stone there, then, like,
do your meditational.
Yeah.
When I'm giving myself a Reikitreatment, I'll have the stones that

(34:48):
I need.
Oh, and it's funny because youcan't see, but at my desk, I have
celestite, I have floralagate, I have obsidian, I have goldstone.
I have rose quartz.
I have the one that looks like gold.

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I can't remember what it's called.
So I'm surrounded by crystalsall the time.
You gave me something toreally dig into.
Yeah.
I was always curious on whythere's crystals everywhere and people
are talking about using them.
And now I know they actuallyhave, like, some properties and energies
that you can use to.

(35:29):
I love it.
That gives me something elseto dig into.
So I'll be doing that next.
But if you go into a storelike that, make sure whoever's working
there is well versed.
Okay.
On what the crystals are andwhat they do.
How do you vet them?
How do you know if they're.
So honestly, when I.

(35:50):
There's a store here.
If they sound like they'remaking it up.
Yeah, there's a store that Ilike to go to here in Atlanta.
It's called the Phoenix and Dragon.
Okay.
And I've straight up had agirl behind the counter say, you
know, this isn't really my specialty.
Let me go get.
Oh, I love that.
That's totally fair.
I love when people are like,that's a great question, but let

(36:11):
me give you someone who knowswhat they're talking about.
Super helpful there.
Now, I was explaining toMelissa because one of the things
that really got us started inthis podcast was a curiosity in myself
of not knowing what I believein in general.
And that kind of spiraled intothe spirituality and the really spiritualist

(36:32):
point of view.
And I just kind of took it andran with it.
And I've been asking a bunchof different questions with a bunch
of different types of people.
And so I was explaining to herhow you.
You kind of taught me thatthere's a spiritualist church.
And I was trying to describeto her what I was envisioning as

(36:53):
you were describing it.
And so basically, it's.
It's like a community.
And, you know, you are anordained minister, which is the ordained
metaphysical.
And that you were explaininghow, like, when you go to church
at this church, I believe Iremember you saying, it's not like
you just go to this onebuilding and that's your worshiping

(37:13):
time, or I don't really knowwhat word you would use, but you
kind of go to the differentbuildings of all the different specialties,
and they give you and teachyou something different in each.
Each sermon.
I don't know what terms you use.
Yeah.
So what you were.
When we were talking aboutLilydale, I was describing how the.

(37:36):
How the community works.
So, I mean, the spiritual church.
Sorry, really?
Everywhere.
Lily Dell, a community is.
Lily Deli Dell is a gatedcommunity or a church.
Yeah.
Okay.
Yeah, thank you.
It is.
It's owned by the spiritualist church.
Okay.
Okay.
Like, the land itself is ownedby the spiritualist church.

(37:58):
And the people that live thereare either healers or mediums.
Now, in the spiritualistchurch, the medium is almost like
the minister.
Okay.
So in a spiritualist churchsession, for example, at Lily Dale,
like, you can go, there arespiritualist church that are in churches,

(38:22):
but I haven't gone to thosebecause there isn't any near me.
I do Know some?
Actually, my Reiki master usedto preach at one of them.
Well, not preach.
I shouldn't say that.
She used to do the service atone of them.
The terms.
When you're at Lilydale, thereare different ways that they say

(38:47):
they serve spirit.
So it's not necessarily like achurch service, although they do
do that as well.
So their church service isdone in an auditorium, and it is
a gallery reading.
So their idea of servingspirit is demonstrating the connection

(39:12):
between spirit and the livingand the fact that your loved ones
are still all around you.
What's a gallery reading?
I'm so sorry.
So that's when they're onstage and they just pick people out
of the audience and say, okay,there's someone here for you.
I'm drawn to you.

(39:32):
It's.
This is what they are, whothey are.
Does that make sense to you?
Yeah, she was saying, like,the mediums are the sermon ministers
of.
The.
Right, exactly, exactly.
So they do do that once a day.
But they also have galleryreadings on the grounds in different

(39:56):
areas, which are the same idea.
It's them serving spirit byproving the connection of spirit
to the living.
But they do it at.
For example, one place iscalled the Inspiration Stump, and

(40:16):
it's supposed to be almostlike an energy vortex there, kind
of like you guys have inArizona and stuff.
And it's in the middle of anold growth forest, so you actually
have to walk down a stone pathto get to it.
And it's really cute becausethere's like a little pet cemetery
on the way, and, you know, allthat stuff.
And then they have anotherarea that's called the forest Temple,

(40:40):
which is just like an outdoorstage, and they do the same thing
there.
And then they have a healingtemple, which is a building, and
it looks more like a church.
But what they'll do is theyhave healers set up at the front.
There's usually like eight ofthem, between six and eight of them.

(41:02):
And people will come in andjust sit down in the chairs, like
the pews, but they're chairs,and then go up one at a time and
receive a healing, an energy healing.
And then they get up and leaveand the next person goes up.
Right.
That sort of thing.
What other kind of healers arethere besides.
So they do it in all different ways.
Okay, what other kinds ofhealers are there?

(41:24):
I'm imagining that you're oneof the Reiki healers.
Maybe so.
I'm not.
I've offered to teach, butthey have so many people that live
there that can do stuff like that.
But the spiritualist churchactually has their own version of
energy work.

(41:45):
So kind of like you had thedifferent energy work you did on
the horse.
They have their version, butall of them are pretty much identical.
Right.
Like it's the same energy.
It's.
It's just how it's being transferred.
But they do the same thing.
It's through their hands.
Right.
They channel it through theirhands just like you do with Reiki,

(42:08):
just like you would have donewhen you were treating the horses.
And you can do Reiki onanimals too, by the way.
You should have learned thatin your first session.
Like in level one.
I have done it.
So yeah.
So basically when I go, I tendto go by myself.
It's on a lake.
So I love sitting like by thelake and meditating and stuff.

(42:32):
And I will go, I'll get up inthe morning, I'll go to the healing
temple, then I'll grab breakfast.
They also do yoga and stuff.
And then I'll go toinspiration Stump.
And then I'll go to theservice in the auditorium.
And then I'll go to the forest temple.
And then I'll go have dinner.

(42:53):
And then they'll havedifferent classes and stuff in the
evenings.
So you can take like, youknow, there's different astrology
classes, mediumship classes,guest speakers on the weekends.
They have like really famouspeople in this, in this area.
Right.
And they'll come in and dolike weekend workshops and talks
and things like that.

(43:15):
So it's.
Or I guess I just hadn't heard.
Yeah, yeah.
Spiritualism is a religion andthey actually, they do believe in
God, but they don't believe inthe dogma associated with the other
religions.
Okay, interesting.
So.

(43:37):
So do you have to again?
I. I told you when we weredoing our pre interview that this
is completely new to me.
I did not know that this a religion.
Is there some of the religionsin their dogma is that you kind of
have to do things theirspecific way and that you have to
be like welcomed into thechurch community.

(43:59):
Is that kind of how thiscommunity works as to works as well.
Do you have to ask to beentered into the church community
and then follow certainguidelines or rules to be a part
of it?
That's a good question.
They welcome everybody.
So you don't have to be amember of the church to visit.

(44:21):
You don't have to ask for permission.
Anyone can pull up to thegate, pay a day pass, go park and
enjoy the grounds and go tothe services.
Like they're very Open.
Very welcoming to everyone.
There are specific rules,guidelines that, that they do encourage
people to follow, but it'ssimple things like, you know, be

(44:45):
kind to one another.
You know, there's nothing,it's not like the Ten Commandments
sort of thing.
It's just basically, don't bean asshole.
Right.
Oh, well, that should be arule everywhere, right?
It should be, but it's not true.
I love that.
Okay.
Do you feel like you have ahard time when you meet other types

(45:10):
of people and they ask aboutyour life and you're getting to know
someone new?
Do you have a, do you findthat you have a challenge connecting
with people you just meet?
Because I know that I havebeen struggling with how to introduce
myself to people now and I.
It's been offensive apparently.
So I'm just kind of curioushow that goes for you when you're

(45:33):
trying to get to know someonenew that is not known into the religion
that you are.
So I usually don't have anyissues when I meet someone new.
I.
The first thing I say isn't,hey, I'm a metaphysical minister,
how are you?
Right, right.

(45:54):
Yeah, yeah.
So.
And my intuition is on point, right.
Which is part of a having yourenergetic body lined up properly
and be focusing on yourfeminine energy, because intuition
is part of that.
So my intuition is fantastic.

(46:15):
And I will know probablywithin about a minute of meeting
somebody if this is someonethat I'm going to get along with
or not.
Oh, so it really what you wantto share with them?
Because we don't have to shareeverything with everyone, right?
No.
Yeah, like I don't know whatreligion you guys follow, if any.

(46:37):
And like it wouldn't occur tome to ask.
Yeah.
So I, I guess like what I runinto is so like I'll meet someone
new and they're like, oh, whatdo you do?
And I'm like, oh, I got a podcast.
Well, what do you talk about?
All kinds of things.
We talk about spiritual things.
Okay, well what's one of thethings you talked about?
Lucid dreaming.
Oh, well, what brought that on?

(46:58):
And then honestly, like wefell into lucid dreaming because
I thought that my mother,well, not.
I thought my mother in law hadput an evil eye curse on me.
And so, I mean, what do yousay to that answer?
And so then I said that andthen her jaw just drops and I go,
oh, oh, it's okay, like I havean evil eye in the house and like
we're very protected.
And she just goes, oh, that'swhat Jesus is for.

(47:20):
And Walks away.
And then my husband's like,samantha, you can't tell people this.
And I was like.
She asked a.
What was I supposed to say?
Yeah, you know what myresponse would probably be when she
says, you know, what do you do?
Podcasts.
What do you talk about?
Spiritual stuff.

(47:40):
Oh, really?
Like what?
For example, lucid dreaming.
Oh, what brought that on?
Well, you know what?
We really like to investigateall different avenues of it, and
everybody's different experiences.
Love that.
Right.
Definitely more so there'sways to just kind of code, especially
if it's someone who's going tojudge you.

(48:02):
Right?
Yeah.
I'm not good at knowing who'sgoing to judge you, I guess, is part
of the problem is I just.
I feel like I am so open towhat anyone might feel or say, and
so I just kind of expect it in return.
And it's not the case.
It's not the case.
It's not at all.
Yeah.
How so?
Earlier you mentioned thateveryone kind of walks around with

(48:23):
a mask and that you presentyourself the way that you think that
the people around you want youto be presented.
So is that kind of.
Are you saying that you shouldhave a mask when you're out and about
and then you kind of decidewho and how you show that to is.
No, it's not a mask.
You're not hiding who you are.

(48:44):
You don't necessarily have toword vomit when you meet someone.
Right.
That makes sense.
So just, if it's someoneyou've just met, why do you do a
podcast on spirituality?
You know what?
I find it really, really interesting.
I get to meet new people.
I, you know, I get to learnnew things.

(49:07):
And I find it fascinating.
You're being fascinating andyourself so much sense when you say
that.
I don't know why I just.
Word vomit.
I'm like.
Just.
I don't know, I just don'tknow how to talk to people, I guess,
and just whatever comes intomy head, it comes out.
But to take it back to whatSam was asking about the mask because

(49:30):
you.
Because that was a little bit different.
I don't think she was sayingto, like, actually wear a mask.
But you were just kind ofsaying what?
Actually, I even forgot whatchakra you were saying that that
related to solar plexus.
Solar plexus.
Okay.
But you're more just kind ofsaying, like, all of us have a tendency
to kind of want to protectourselves to a certain extent, and

(49:51):
so you're going to try to.
Morph into a little bit.
Right?
You don't have to take it offand show everything all at once.
Right.
Kind of like you don't justbear it all on the first date.
Maybe you do.
Exactly.
But you know what?
It's also.
It can be more than that.
I remember I used to, before Igot into doing this, like, regularly,

(50:18):
full time sort of thing, I wasa real estate agent.
And I remember my eldest, hewanted to switch high schools.
And where we are, it'spublicly funded and you go to the
high school that's closest toyour house.

(50:38):
He didn't want to do that.
He wanted to go to a differenthigh school.
So we had to get permissionfrom the principal for him to attend.
He had to have an exception.
So we went in and as we werewalking in, he looked at me, he goes,
mom, do me a favor.
Put on your real estate face.

(50:58):
Oh, that's so funny.
Right?
Because my real estate facewas very direct, very professional,
very, you know, this is whatwe're looking for.
This is the reason why.
Very calm and like.
And I was like, wow.
He knew.
I don't know if I should be offended.
Oh, sorry.

(51:20):
Oh, that's so funny.
I like that.
It is.
Like, some people who work incustomer service, they'll tell you
they have their customerservice voice.
Yeah.
It's not the voice they talkto their friends with.
Yeah, yeah.
I remember those days waitingtables and in the like running thing
is that someone tells a jokeand you have your.

(51:40):
Your work laugh because it'snot really funny.
You wouldn't really laugh ifyou weren't at work.
And you have to be like, it'sthe funniest thing.
You're right.
But I've heard that joke like20 times already today, so I want
my tip.
So.
Yeah, yeah.
Don't miss those days.
Yeah.
So, yeah, it is.
It's more than just in yourpersonal life.

(52:01):
Right.
And people who aren't reallysure of who they are, they haven't
figured it out yet.
So they just try to reflectback what the other person is showing
them.
Right.
Yeah, I think that is the other.
I mean.
Yeah.
Not knowing what you believein, that is not being sure of yourself.
I feel like it's the same thing.

(52:21):
And that's kind of where I was.
And so I feel like I'm stilltrying to learn just how to.
How to accept how I feel andwho I feel like I am and then being
able to portray that in anormal way.
Yeah, yeah.
Now, Melissa, I don't know ifSam told you, but she's decided and

(52:44):
agreed with me that you guysneed to travel up this way and do,
like, a weekend at Lilydalewith me.
Where are you?
Like, where is Lilydale, New York?
It's in New York State, justnear the Pennsylvania border.
That sounds amazing.
Like, that's, like, where Iwant to live.
Really?
Yeah.
Oh, I didn't know that.
I'd love to live in, like, soI used to live outside of Cleveland,

(53:07):
near Pennsylvania, and it'sbeautiful there.
And I always thought.
And I haven't been to NewYork, but I always thought upstate
New York, and it sounds prettyidyllic, like a little community
just going.
Everybody's accepting.
We're gonna go visit, andMelissa's not gonna come home.
Maybe that's what it.

(53:27):
Oh, my God.
Are you still licensed?
What do you mean?
Oh, as a realtor.
Oh, not in New York state.
I'm in Ontario, so.
Oh, okay.
Oh, that's so fun.
Yeah, I think that would be.
It would be another travel experience.

(53:48):
Yeah.
Yeah.
We have been traveling toexperience the things, and, you know,
when we learned about the pastlife regression, Melissa was like,
oh, sign me up.
I want to know what that feels like.
And.
And I'm about to.
We're about to travel to D.C.and I'm about to experience a inner
energy healing where she isable to kind of pinpoint where in

(54:11):
your life and time frame thatthere was trauma that has affected
you throughout your life.
So you can kind of work on that.
And so, you know, as someonethat's been in therapy for many years,
and I'm getting frustrated.
Like, can you just tell me,like, where this problem stemmed
from?
Like, I'm getting tired ofall, like, this talking and trying
to figure it out.
And she's like, yeah, I canusually pinpoint of.

(54:32):
Oh, when you were nine yearsold and your best friend stopped
being your friend because shesaid that you stole her toy, you
stopped trusting people.
Like, you know, just a random example.
So I'm.
I'm curious to see what pansout of that.
That'd be awesome.
Fascinating.
Yeah.
So is Lilydale pretty open?
Like, are you allowed to takepictures or record it all is a good

(54:53):
question.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
You can take pictures, you canrecord, you can do whatever.
That would be really neat ifwe could take our listeners on a
journey there.
You did say, though, they'reonly open in the summer.
Summer months, yeah.
Okay.
So, yeah, they open the end ofJune and close Labor Day weekend.

(55:17):
Yeah.
I've been wanting to go onsome kind of, like, I feel like you
could kind of curate your Ownlittle retreat.
I've been wanting to do somekind of retreat where you can go
to the.
Maybe to the mountains.
Maybe you're just doing yogaall day and meditating.
And it sounds like you couldpretty much do all of that retreat
that.
We'Ve talked about wanting to do.
I wonder how that relates to I.

(55:38):
This all seems to relate.
So I just kind of wonder, likewe were talking about wanting to
do a.
A peyote trip.
Is that.
Yeah, we're not going to getthat there.
I'm joking.
I know.
I know that's not what youwere trying to say.
That came.
It was a guided.
Okay.
It was a guided meditated trip.

(55:58):
So maybe.
Maybe it was some sort of drug.
But.
But like the point of learning.
No.
Anyone'?
Listening.
No drugs.
No drugs are involved.
She's like not associated withLily Dale.
Okay.

(56:18):
What I have heard is thatthere are people who do guided meditations,
I think with shrooms.
And that that's supposed togive you that grand enlightenment
of your spiritual awakening.
And so.
Yes.
I guess I don't.
Does that.
Is that an appropriate way tokind of explore like we're talking

(56:41):
about?
I'm gonna encourage the use of psychedelics.
I was like, you find her in.
A really tricky spot.
So I can't say.
I do know somebody whoactually facilitates those things.
Yeah.
And says they're absolutely fantastic.

(57:02):
But I've never tried it.
So I honestly couldn't tell you.
So then let me just.
I know.
I wouldn't try.
Try and travel across theborder with them.
Yeah.
Don't do that.
That sounds like a terrible idea.
You.
You would say that you havebeen enlightened.
Correct.
You're spiritually awakened.

(57:22):
Yes.
So what was.
You didn't do the shroom tripto get that awakening.
So what was the grandawakening for you?
I think it was discovering theenergy work.
Okay.
Okay.
I was always interested inthat stuff.

(57:43):
I was always interested inconnecting to departed people.
I was always interested inthings like Wicca and hypnosis and
UFOs and like all that sort of stuff.
Right.
Like all the out there stuff Ialways found fascinating.
Okay.
Fringe.

(58:03):
And then finding the energy work.
See, the thing with Reiki,it's not just a physical thing.
It also leads to spiritual development.
Right.
That's one of the bases of the practice.
Can you share?
Because the five principles ofReiki, like, do you know what I'm

(58:26):
talking about?
Off the top of my head.
Oh, stop putting her on tough questions.
Let me see.
Did I start.
I want to hear about her grand enlightening.
Melissa.
Oh, sorry.
Because I thought that was agood way to.
Because when you're talking about.
It's more.
It's more like.
Than a physical.
Yeah.
The five principles is whatcame to mind when you said that.

(58:48):
Oh, yeah.
I'm just trying to think.
No way.
I know them, but let me tell.
I'll find them because Iactually was.
Just looking them up because Ithink they're beautiful.
But is that kind of whatyou're saying?
You're supposed to study them?
Yes, yes, exactly.
By studying them, you, thingsdon't get you upset as they used

(59:11):
to.
Right.
Okay.
It's a good way to kind oflike, build your meditate.
You can build yourmeditations, your daily meditations
on it.
So, like, first.
The first ones, I will not beangry, but actually, I want to say
it was even more than that.
It was like, just for today, Iwill not be angry.
Yeah.
So just for today.
Just for today, I will not worry.

(59:34):
Just for today, I will not be angry.
Just for today, I will be grateful.
Just for today, I will do mywork honestly.
And just for today, I will bekind to every living thing.
So when you take Reiki, youstudy those, you know, in addition

(59:54):
to doing your daily Reikitreatments to yourself, you study
the five Reiki principles.
And I used to have them as thewallpaper on my phone because I like
that I would forget.
Right.
You get busy.
So I always tell my students,you know, put it on your phone or
put it on a.
Post it on your bathroom mirror.

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Right.
Something like that.
We'll just see it throughoutthe day.
And then you stop and you kind of.
I don't want to say youmeditate on them, but you really
stop and think about them andwhat they mean and, you know, how
can you apply them to your life?
And, you know, I find.
I mean, my husband may saydifferently because, you know, that's

(01:00:38):
a family thing, But I'veactually had people say to me, like,
I've never heard you yell.
Like, do you just not get angry?
And I just really don't thinkabout it, if that makes sense.
Yeah, yeah.
I mean, if I'm driving, I yell.

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But who doesn't gets everyone,you know, I love that.
And it's a connection to the greater.
Yeah, yeah.
And.
And that's exactly like whatyou're supposed to do.
When you set goals that youwant to hit or you want to use manifestation,
you post it somewhere whereyou're gonna see it, read it, look
at it every day in passing,and then it Just subconsciously even

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makes you reflect on it.
So that makes tons of sense.
Yeah.
One of the things that gets tothe point where.
Oh, I'm sorry.
Go ahead.
It's.
It's to the point where.
When was it?
Last year sometime.
I had a $50 bill in my pocketof my shorts last summer, and I don't

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know what happened to it.
I lost it somewhere.
I probably pulled my phone outand it came out with it and whatever.
And my son looks at me, goes,like, I would be so upset.
And like, yeah, you know what?
Someone needed it more than we did.
Aw.
That is a good.
Everything for a reason.
Yeah.
So if they needed it more thanme, then they can have it.

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You know, I love that it mighthave made a big difference to somebody.
So.
I love that.
That is a good reminder.
I know a lot of people whowould just lost their mind.
Yeah.
I mean, once upon a time, like when.
When we were, you know, very.
Didn't have anything.
Just working really hard andtrying to keep myself in and a baby

(01:02:28):
alive, like, yeah.
If I lost, like, $20, Iprobably would have been in hysterics.
Like, that made a big difference.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But think of how good yourlife would have felt if you found
a 50.
Right.
And so she's hoping that youwould have been the one to find it
or someone who.
Oh, yeah.

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That would have been, like,the person that would have been maybe,
hopefully attracted to it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That is really beautiful.
I.
That's a really.
I will be spending timereflecting on that because that is
a perfect way to kind of nothold on to the anger.
Like, I will not be angrybecause if I'm angry over forgetting

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to get well, I don't know.
Because it would be hard.
Like, if, like, when I'mcooking and, like, let's say I forgot
the main ingredient, and,like, then I'm mad that I forgot
that at the store.
What's.
I mean, what am I beingthankful for?
Like, I'm just mad.
Yeah.
So what you have to do withthat approach is, okay, so I have
all of these ingredients instead.

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What can I make?
Okay.
Some people don't even havethose ingredients.
Maybe.
That is true.
That is true.
All right, I'm gonna practice that.
I'm gonna start practicingbecause I'm really quick, especially
cooking.
If I forget something at thestore and I get really mad, I'm like,
now what am I going to do?
Why am I so inconvenienced to myself?
I'm going to have to startpracticing that mind frame.

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Yeah.
I also understand what you're saying.
Like, I tend to get into thismindset of this is how it's supposed
to be.
And then I forget that, wait,there's more going on than just right
here, right now.
And how could this just, thiscould just be okay.
It's just another part of.
I love it.
Energy.
Well, I hope our listenersreflect on this as much as I will.

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I know that this is a lot offood for thought.
So I'm need to take some timeand just kind of process everything.
And I really am going to bedigging into crystals.
Like that was something I wasreally curious about.
And, and you also mentionedyour curiosity is kind of what stemmed
you into moving into this.
And when you.
I believe it's.
When you were talking aboutthe, the crystals and stuff, it just

(01:04:41):
kind of made me, when I wouldsee those in the stores, my first
thought was like, oh, thisprobably relates.
Like these are for Wiccans.
This is the Wicca practicing.
And that doesn't sound likethat's the case.
And then it just kind of mademe think, is, is that something that
ties into all this as well?
I have not looked into Wiccan, Wicca.

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Wicca is a completelydifferent religion, but it's a very,
very, it is a loving, naturefocused religion.
Right.
It's not what the movies makeit out to be where, you know, it's
the bad witch sort of thingwho's casting spells and putting

(01:05:25):
hexes on people.
I mean, you get some peoplelike that, but they aren't following
the Wicca tradition.
The Wicca tradition is allabout worshiping the earth, worshiping
nature.
Right?
So when, when the sabbats happen.

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So like the solstices andthings like that, they talk about,
you know, Mother Earth andFather Moon and the three stages
of a woman's life, which isthe mother, maiden and crone.
Well, maiden, mother and crone.

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And the cycle of the year isattached to the cycle of the, of
the woman's life.
Like it's very woman centric.
Okay.
So, you know, like the winter,for example, is crone because it's
the end.
Things are dying off.

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Whereas then spring happensand that's the maiden because it's
all like new life and newthings beginning and that sort of
stuff.
So they do use, some of themdo use crystals.
Crystals can be used in awhole bunch of different things,
right?
So just because one thing isused somewhere doesn't mean it means

(01:06:52):
anything when it's usedsomewhere else.
I'm guilty of that concrete thinking.
Like I, I Think that there'slike, someone tells me something
and I'm like, okay, that iswhat it is.
And so that's something thatshe's trying to help me is like,
no, it's not this.
And that's it.
Like, you got to remember open mind.
Yeah.
But it's also.
Yeah, I love.
I hope you don't think I'm like.

(01:07:12):
Oh, no, no, you don't think correctly.
That's not what I mean.
No, you remind me of like.
Okay.
You even say, I know you likeconcrete, like things and this is
just one of those things thatjust isn't as concrete.
And it could go this way andit can go that way.
And I'm like, oh, okay, you're right.
Let me think about it.
Yeah, it's really interesting.
But yeah, thanks for being on.

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Kelly.
This was a great conversation.
It sounds like this is aforeshadow to another episode where
we travel.
I actually.
Yeah, yeah, that'll be really fun.
I think that's definitelysomething to experience because I.
You can tell me about it and Ican try to imagine it, but I don't
think I'm going to reallyunderstand exactly what this is until

(01:07:54):
I see it and experience it for myself.
So that'll be really cool.
Yeah.
Well, to help you find out,there is.
I don't know if it's onNetflix still.
There was a documentary doneback in 2011 called no One Dies in
Woolerydale.
Okay, that sounds interesting.
Yeah, thanks for sharing that.

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And they actually have one ofthe inspiration stump readings in
it.
Okay.
So you'll see how they do itand you know what it means.
And then you can go on to the.
They have a website and it'sL, I, L, Y, D A L E. Okay.

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And you can see all about ithow, you know, it was founded in
the late 1800s and it wasactually at the forefront of the
woman's suffragette movement.
So they used to have thesewomen come and speak.
They've had celebrities thereback then and.

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Very interesting.
Did Aleister Crowley ever haveanything to do with Lily Dale?
No.
Okay.
No.
Did he try to, like, is thatwhat he was trying to do out in California
maybe, or.
Well, that's a whole nother.
Yeah, No, I.
He has nothing to.
To do with that.
Okay.

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Okay.
Are you taking clientscurrently virtually for all of our
listeners?
Yeah, I am.
And actually, you know what,I'm going to give you a social link
to post in the Social Connections.
I actually just did a self ledonline Reiki level one class.

(01:09:38):
Oh.
Through Teachable.
And so you get certified toyour level one and then you set up
your attunement ceremony withme when you're done.
It.
Wow.
And I have a promo for thelaunch for, like $55.
Okay.
Okay.
Thank you.
That's so awesome.
Yeah, I'm really excited tolook into that.
And we will link that.

(01:09:59):
And I.
You did share with me yourconnection so that we can get all
of our listeners connected andthey can learn more for themselves
with you.
Yeah, and I'll send them.
I'll send it all to you againjust to be on the safe side, because
it'll have the link with theteachable course as well.
Oh, perfect.
This was all very fascinating.

(01:10:20):
It was like, I have lots tojust kind of think more through and.
Yeah.
Thank you so much, Kelly.
Fed my curiosity.
Thank you.
Awesome.
Thank you so much for having me.
This has been great.
We've been chatting foreverand seems like it went by like that.
I know.
Yeah, it always does.
I love to hear when our guestssay that, though, too, because sometimes

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I worry, like, oh, we talked along time.
I hope that.
That they felt like they gotsomething enjoyable out of it too.
But yeah, it was awesome.
It was.
And I'm really looking forwardto this little adventure this summer.
Yes.
Well, we will get on that andwe will touch base and let you know.

(01:11:02):
I'm very.
Yeah, it'll be fun.
Thank you so much, Kelly.
Sounds good.
Oh, you're very welcome.
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