Written In The Stars With Laura Alyn

In this vibrant episode the hosts delve deep into astrology with special guest Laura Alyn, an accomplished host and scientist. Laura deciphers the intricate details of astrology, explaining how it goes beyond mere sun signs to a fascinating mix of planets, houses, and elements.

The conversation reveals the cosmic influences behind the podcast as the hosts learn about their chart positions and what they signify.

They discover that their intuitive and nurturing nature, paired with a drive to tackle taboo subjects, aligns perfectly with their mission. Fascinating insights include how this propels them to explore uncharted territories, shedding light on their transformative effects on listeners.

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Episode Transcript

(00:00):
What's up?
Skirts up, squad.
Did you just take my wine?
I did.
It's Samantha and Melissa.
I'm going to actually tell youguys how it is right now.
It was so fun.
We couldn't even make it up.
I'm gonna do it.
I'm gonna wear it in public.
And then she looks at me and.

(00:20):
She goes, that's what Jesus is for.
We are about normalizingthings that are.
Hard to talk about.
I was like deer in headlights.
Skirts out, but keep your pant.
Welcome to our first episodein November.
It's November 3rd.
October flew.

(00:41):
It flew.
And here we are in November.
Like, it's just wild.
Like the year.
This is maybe glass halfempty, but it feels like the year
is almost over.
Like, where did it go?
Well, yeah.
Or half full.
Because, like, we made it.
I like that refrain.
We're gonna go with that.
We made it.

(01:02):
We made it.
Yes.
That is what we're going for.
And when we were talkingearlier, you mentioned that maybe
it feels that way becauseOctober is just kind of like our
favorite month.
Yeah.
And I wish it could last alittle longer.
I'll be honest.
Like, I freaking love itgetting cold.
I love the leaves starting to fall.
Change colors because Novemberis like fall.

(01:24):
That's true.
Here in Georgia.
They don't fall as early asthey do up north.
Yes.
But, yeah, it's.
Yeah, you're right.
November is really more.
Because that.
They were falling at your wedding.
They were falling at my wedding.
Which our anniversary is on the.
Oh, my gosh.
The 10th.
November 10th.
So, yeah.
Next week.

(01:45):
Yeah.
Oh, my goodness.
Anything fun?
We don't have anything planned.
And I think I'm lowkey waitingto see if he forgets.
He does do something.
Oh, if he forgets.
Oh, you're trying to.
You're trying to trap it.
I'm not, I'm not.
I really, like.
Okay.
I think you're trying to seelow key.

(02:07):
If he remembers.
Yes.
Because regardless, like, Ican honestly say, like, honestly,
like, full heartedly say,like, right now, if he didn't remember,
I would just laugh and nothave any hard feelings.
Like, things just.
Things are just so good.
There's nothing he couldreally give me right now that would
mean more than just, like,spending time together.

(02:28):
So I think I would laugh ifhe, like, forgot and just be like,
well, I guess, God, make it upto me.
I'm hearing the melting pot.
He doesn't like the melting pot.
I like the melting pot.
I know.
Works.
I love it.
Because it's true, though.
Like, I I don't think you'rereally trying to trap him.
I was just joking.
But it is nice to kind of belike, oh, is there going to be a

(02:49):
surprise?
What's going to happen?
As long as you don't get mad.
When it, you know, when youare in a negative headspace, though
that is for sure a trap.
Like if that's your mind, likefor sure.
Like, I.
Probably not probably.
Okay.
I, I, I've done it before.
I was about to say, like, Iwant to say I probably have done
it before, but I, I've done it before.

(03:09):
Yeah, yeah.
It's not fair, but it's happened.
But oh, that's so good thatthings are perfect.
I really can't wait to see ifhe does what what he does.
Yeah, I guess we'll find out thing.
We'll find out if he does.
Cool.
And if not, I'm hearing themelting pot.
That's where we're going.
The melting pot.
They should pay me for this.

(03:31):
They should.
I don't think we mentionedthis in the last episode, so I just
want to remind everyone thatwe have our subscription on our website
so you can pay to get ourextended full episodes.
And with video, which.
Yeah, I think people have beenasking not I think people have been
asking us for.
Well, I didn't realize peoplehad asked you.
I had a couple people ask me too.

(03:53):
Yeah, I didn't know anyone wasasking you.
I just know that on sidepeople were like, man, I wish there
was a video because I just, Idon't get into just listening and.
Which is weird because I thinkyou and I are both like on the same
page where we are like, no, Ican only listen when I'm working
or doing something because Idon't have time to sit there and
watch.
But yeah, they want to see us.
We got to give them what they want.

(04:18):
Oh, slide's awesome.
That is there.
Check it out.
It's on our website.
We also have our charity eventfor canine assistance coming up with
Clean as our head performance.
And we also have an openingband called Carrie in the Feels.
So it's just going to be thiswhole fun.
Wait, wait.
Oh, we're, you know, Carrie inthe Feels.
You know them?

(04:39):
Yeah, I went to school with them.
That's crazy.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So it's just exciting.
Really exciting.
It's going to be just thismusic filled, magical day and it's
all dogs.
Yes, kids.
Yeah.
How could you ask for more beer?
Yeah.
Good drinks, dogs, amazingmusic for a good cause.

(04:59):
Like, come on, it's going tobe fun.
It's going to be really nice.
I'm so excited.
Yeah.
Yeah, me too.
Yay.
And another thing, you guysmay have seen this by time it comes
out.
Melissa, I just shared thiswith you.
Our episode.
I'm so thankful for.
For the opportunity that weget to talk with people of all different

(05:24):
walks of life.
If someone had come across ourepisode about with the domestic violence
and sexual assaultinvestigator, where we talked about
the red signs and symptomsand, you know, what you can do when
you find yourself in adomestic violence situation, and
someone heard that episode andreached out and said that that episode

(05:45):
is what led them to get awayfrom their situation.
And I'm just so thankful thatthe investigator was open and with
her story and was able to talkto us and that DeKalb county even
let her do that, because Iknow that that.
Can be, you know, that can bedicey, right?
Yeah.
And, like, yeah, she had,like, a lot to say already, and she

(06:07):
had a lot of experience withdealing with these things with other
people.
But that investigator was sofreaking open about her own story,
like, you just said.
Yes.
And I think that was the nailin the coffin on that one.
Yeah.
I just got goosebumps.
And, you know, we just got outof domestic violence awareness month,
so I just feel like it wasjust perfect timing.

(06:30):
Yeah, it was really special.
It was special.
I'm also thankful for theepisode that we're going into today.
But first, but what?
We need to talk about our fails.
Oh, okay.
Okay, okay, okay.
Mine's not really a fail.
Mine's kind of stupid.
So I'll go first, and then yougo run with yours.
Mine is really dumb, but okay.

(06:52):
Yeah.
So good.
Because it's, like, an actualfail, but, like, it's funny.
Okay, okay.
Mine's really, like.
I really don't have anything good.
Mine was.
I don't like cats.
I've never liked cats.
But then this, like, little,like, young, black cat just kind
of walked onto the propertythe other day, and I fell in love
with him.

(07:13):
He's got this, like, chopped tail.
It's not a bobt, but it's nota full tail.
So something happened to his tail.
And he's just so adorable.
He's solid black, and I justlove him so much.
And I named him Jinx because Ithought that that was the name of
the cat in Hocus Pocus turn, which.
When you told me that's whyyou named him that, I was like, oh,

(07:35):
yeah.
Because I thought it was thename of the.
My neighbor did the same thing.
They're like, oh, like hocus pocus.
And, you know, like, that's.
Yes, exactly.
Yeah.
And then my sister comes over,and she goes, you know, it's Binks,
Hannah.
I was like, no, it's not.
It's Binks.
But to be.

(07:56):
Yeah, hilarious.
I left it as Jinx.
His name is Jinx.
And then, you know, Karma kindof hit because I accepted one cat
and now there's two, so namethat one Karma.
That's.
I wonder if they're litter mate.
Oh, no, they're different.
No way.
Yeah.
Okay.
Yeah.
The second one's, like, way younger.
Yeah.
It's so bizarre.

(08:17):
I've noticed.
She friendly, like Jinx?
Oh, yeah.
She's.
She's more timid, but she isvery friendly.
And they.
I don't know.
She's, like, afraid of him,and he's, like, a little rough, and
I'm like, okay, well, I reallylove him, so this is gonna be a problem.
Like, she's gonna have to seeher way out.
But they'll figure it out.

(08:39):
I'm hoping they do, becauseshe's adorable.
Oh, what does she look like?
She's like, this littlecalico, and she.
It could turn out to be a boy.
Like, again, when they're thisyoung, you really can't tell.
I think it's a girl, and Ithink it's Karma.
Yeah.
So.
Oh, you named her Karma.
I did.

(09:00):
Karma's a bitch.
I accepted one cat, got another.
I love it.
That's not a fail, in my opinion.
Well, success.
And I love.
Yes.
More to love.
True fail is.
It was Binks, not Jinx.
Oh, that's the fail.
Yeah.
That's adorable.

(09:20):
Okay.
Okay, but tell yours, becauseit's so good.
It's like, is it best?
They.
It's really dumb, I think.
Okay, guys, she's actuallyoverhyping it.
I'm worried you're not gonnamake it.
I think it's because it.
Literally, as you're tellingme, I'm like, man, you.
Why do you and Courtney nothang out more?
Because it's like, you guysare the same person, and I think
that's why I love it.
So.

(09:40):
Okay.
I don't know why we don'teither, because I love her, but.
Yeah.
I was at the dog park theother day, and I feel like the people
there are.
You can talk, you can makejokes, and people are always inappropriately,
like, joking about.
Oh, the dog's not even the oneI'm talking about.
Well, I'll get there.
Okay.

(10:00):
And so Then this dog came intothe dog park and she had like these
kind of swollen looking titties.
And so.
So somebody was like, oh, hasshe had allure recently?
And he's like, no, but I thinkshe's about to go into cycle again.
And I was like, oh, she's in.
And I put my hands on mybreast like this.

(10:22):
And I was like, oh, she's inthat, like swollen boob stage or
tender breast stage or something.
And everyone just stood thereand I was just joking.
I was trying to be funny.
And everyone just like lookedaway and kind of kept talking.
And I looked and I dropped myhand and I was like, yeah, that happened.
Yeah, yeah, that's exactlywhat would happen to me.

(10:43):
I think it was funny.
And since you said the wordtitty, I need to say now that I.
Okay, a word.
A word that I have a hard timeremembering how to spell for some
reason is practitioner.
And then I realized thatthere's titty in practitioner.
And now I spell it right every time.
That's insane.
I.
That is funny.

(11:04):
Okay, okay, I'm sorry, I'msorry, continue.
The practitioner.
Practitioner.
Never mind.
But yeah, no, that's my fail.
It's always.
And then.
Well, are you talking aboutthe ugly?
The better one.
Okay, well, what's funny is Itold her that story earlier.
She's like, you always havedog fails.
And I was like, no, I don't.
And when she said that, Iremembered a memory that I had forgotten

(11:27):
for years.
When I was little, I wastrying mine.
We had a golden retriever, andshe had a litter of 13 puppies.
And I remember thinking howshe must be so tired because she
was always working to feed them.
And my dad caught me.
I was must have been like 4years old because maybe even younger.
But he came out where we werekeeping the puppies and the dog,

(11:49):
and he caught me with puppies,two puppies under my shirt, and I
was trying to breastfeed them.
Adorable.
That is not how it works.
That is so funny.
Oh, so there is a. I do.
Have a lot of dog fails.
You know what's funnier, though?
What?
That's still not the one Iwant you to tell.
What?

(12:10):
The one you told me last night?
What happened last night?
You lost your keys.
Oh, my gosh, you guys, I do.
Have a lot of dog.
I am making you air out allthe dirty laundry because this is
the one I've been waiting for.
Oh, my gosh, it was awful.
So.

(12:30):
And I even had a friend I wassupposed to meet.
She was gonna Meet me at the shop.
Luckily, she actually backed.
Not backed out, but she endedup canceling.
And so she wasn't here waitingfor me.
But, yeah, I was at the dogpark with Oliver last night, actually,
and I went to get in the car,and the car was locked, and I couldn't
get in.
And I have, like, the kindwhere, like, the key fob, if you're

(12:52):
close, you can push the buttonon the handle and it will unlock
the door.
And so I'm like, well, great,I lost my keys somewhere.
And I thought, surely I'lljust turn around and retrace my steps.
I'll find them.
Well, I didn't find them.
And then I had, like,everybody in the dog park.
There were three other people,like, policing the whole area.
They were asking people ifthey'd seen keys.
Oh, looking everywhere for my keys.

(13:14):
And then they were like,sorry, Melissa.
And they ended up leaving.
I mean, after, like, a good 30minutes of searching.
Right.
There's only so much you can do.
Exactly.
And I was like, well, I guessI'll just call Jacob anyway and so
don't, because they did offerme a ride.
And I was like, well, I'm acall Jacob.
And so I called him, and he'slike, okay, yeah, I can go get you,
but what are we going to do tofix this?

(13:35):
Like, what are we going to do?
Your car is there.
And I was like, I don't evenknow right now.
Just come get me.
Because it was starting torain, so for, like, another 20 or
30 minutes.
And at this point, it was darkand it was rainy, and I was just
walking around in the rainwith my flashlight, trying to find
Jacob gets there, and he walksaround for, like, five minutes.

(13:55):
And then he goes, oh, herethey are.
Somebody had found them.
And before we even startedlooking, I guess they had gone to
the parking lot, figured outwhich car it went to, and they had
tucked them, like, under thewindshield wipers, like, down where
they're, like, falling intothe hood.
And so I couldn't see thembecause it's a truck and I'm not.
I'm not short.
But anyway, so thank goodnessfor Jacob and the kindness of his

(14:19):
heart to come out in the rain.
And he found them.
Yeah.
So I guess the person hid themthere so that they wouldn't get,
like, stolen.
Yeah.
Because they didn't know who.
Right.
That's just a hard place,like, to put them there.
Like, how are you supposed to know?
Right?
Like, if maybe if there was anote, but then that would defeat
the purpose, too.

(14:40):
Like, maybe somebody could steal.
So I know they did the right thing.
Yes.
And I was looking everywhere,like, on the ground, under the tires,
thinking, well, maybe ifsomeone found them, they would, like,
set them on top of a tire orunder one or something.
Yeah, that's kind of what Iwas thinking.
Like, on top of a tire.
Yeah.
But they're.
Yeah, so that happened, too.
You're welcome.

(15:00):
Guys, you got three storiesand Tricky Girl.
I know.
Well, you just am forgettingthe one that I wanted.
You're like, I want to picturehell out of you.
I did.
I did.
I kept.
That's not the one I want, Melissa.
Like, I didn't even have to tell.
You guys I was breastfeedingpuppies from the age of four.

(15:21):
Nope.
No, I didn't.
You volunteered that one.
Oh, okay.
So in our first episode ofthis season, I think you guys heard
us talk about some of theepisodes that really touched us,
and this is actually one ofthem, because this is one with astrology
scientists.
Is that kind of how youexplain her?

(15:42):
I would call her anastrologist, I guess.
An astrologist.
That sounds very professionaland logical.
I like it.
But we loved her.
Yeah.
Was so good at, like, justteaching us things as if we were
five.
Because we needed it.
We needed.
Yes.
And then all of a sudden, wewere like, hold up.
Let's, like, is there, like, atangible example?

(16:05):
And she takes one, and it'sabout us, and she runs with it.
And we just learned.
I don't know if it's that welearn so much.
It's that it feels so good to,like, be seen and, like, have something
reflected what we're trying to do.
Exactly.
She was amazing.
And actually, I have been.
I have already recorded to beon her podcast, so when that comes

(16:26):
out, I'll let you guys know.
And, Melissa, you're supposedto reach out.
I need to get on.
I get it.
Get on that.
Yeah.
So, yay, Our first guesting appearance.
Take it away, Laura.
Today we have with us Laura Allen.
She's an artist host inscientist, which is a whole big realm

(16:49):
of things, and she's going totell us all about it.
Right.
I'm an artist.
I paint, I write books, I. I'ma hula dancer.
A bunch of things in, like,the artistic realm that before I
wasn't able to do growing up,I was always.

(17:09):
I was.
I was accelerated in math, soit was always about math and, like,
being good at math and all of,like, like, the hard stuff with,
like, academia, like, really.
Sure.
And devoting myself to it.
And so now I get to, like,have fun and do all my artistic things.
I have two podcasts, so that'swhat the host comes in.
And then with the scientistpart, I'm getting my PhD right now

(17:32):
in education, and I'm focusingon everything.
So I just love everything.
And before, when I startedthis project, it was really looking
at what the purpose ofeducation was.
So that's why I was trying to,like, bring in all these different
academic subjects.
But I found out what thepurpose of education is.
It's to connect.
So the reason why we learnabout plants is to connect with plants.

(17:54):
When we learn about cars,connect with cars, whatever we learn,
it's to connect with it.
So that then what I've learnedis that it's like a mirror of learning
within ourself.
So then I went whole, like,rabbit hole of like, okay, well,
then who am I?
I've always just been devotedto academia.
Who is all of this?
And so that's how I startedpiecing everything together.

(18:16):
Wow, that's beautiful.
I'm looking at how.
I'm looking at 16 differentways of knowing, and then how it
can inform us to make better decisions.
So that's.
What do you mean, 16 differentways of knowing?
As in, like, differentlearning styles?
No.
So back in the, like, in the1700s, there was a huge debate on

(18:36):
do we know things based on logic?
Like, if we can logicallyprove something, that's how we know
that it's real versus usingour senses.
And then that's how we knowthat it's real.
Okay, but our senses cansometimes trip us up or not be.
We could just get fooled withby our senses.
It's true.
Then it only went back to the rationality.

(18:56):
But sometimes things don'tmake sense, but they're still true.
Yeah.
And then that's how I startedbringing intuition.
So on my podcast, it's calledHila Radio, and we look at all ways
of knowing.
But really looking atintuition, what I've discovered by
having guests on is thatthere's so many different ways of
intuition.

(19:16):
And some people even say,like, intuition, same as instinct.
And I'm like, I don't think so.
I think those are two separate things.
And so that's piecing it together.
And now it's like this.
This whole chart where Iincluded the astrology in there,
I included life themes, andthen also understanding the soul,
mind, body, and spiritual andhow they interact with each other
within us.

(19:37):
So it's like a thing now.
Oh, my gosh.
I feel like I told like anepisode with you?
Yes.
And a fifth and a sixth.
Okay.
Anyways, like, right, justthen, you literally were talking
for two minutes, and I had,like, a million questions.
I'm like, oh, no, we're nevergoing to get through.
Oh, right.
My jaw dropped and I was like,oh, my God, I know nothing about

(20:00):
astrology.
Like, as Melissa's giving meher, like, base knowledge of astrology,
I'm like, which is little.
Like, I have no idea whatyou're talking about.
So I was like.
I was like, so, yeah, I'm kindof curious about how do you know?
Like, so I know.
Like, you know.
Okay, for instance, I was borna Taurus.
I'm a Taurus.
Right.
But I think it goes deeper.
Well, I know it goes deeperthan that.

(20:21):
I just don't know how.
But, like, okay, it has to dowith, like, what House was your son
in and your moon in when you.
And then she was like, thenyou're assigned an element.
And I was like, like an Earth element.
And she was like, yeah, yeah.
I didn't say that mean.
You did not.
I was like, we do.
We are assigned those.

(20:42):
All of these things for sure.
So I could talk about how it.
How astrology.
How I started, like, withastrology and all that.
Because I agree with you.
Like, I'm a Leo.
My birthday was just on Friday.
Happy birthday.
Thank you.
And I was.
Everyone around me that was a Leo.
I'm like, we're both Leos, butwe're not the same.
Like, I have this else thathas to be true in order for.

(21:07):
For this to work.
And so that's why I starteddigging deeper.
And so there are nine planetsthat influence us.
And there's actually probablymore, like, different asteroids out
there.
There's different things.
Like, Chiron's an asteroid.
I was gonna ask.
I said Chiron.
I mentioned it.
I was like, I have no idea.
But I don't know anythingabout it.
People talk about it all the time.

(21:28):
It'.
Asteroid.
Yeah, it's an asteroid.
And so it's a healer.
And so wherever.
The reason why it's soimportant is because it shows where
you're most wounded so thatyou can heal yourself.
Okay.
And then that's why MelissaWalker was.
Talking about it, becauseshe's a therapist.
She's really interested in trauma.
That's why she likes.
Oh, she is.

(21:48):
The trauma.
It's kind of coming together.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So that's the Chiron, butthere's all these planets and then
the houses.
And so it's like.
Like a Little puzzle where youhave a house, you have a planet,
and then you have an elementor you also have a zodiac sign.
So all the different thingskind of mesh together and then create

(22:09):
you.
Wow.
So that's like the.
The basis of astrology.
And that's why it can't be,like, scientifically proven, because
we would need like a millionof you with different birth times.
What's really, really you?
And what's the influence ofthe planets?
Right.
So that's where that from.
And then with the houses.
So I see them as likedifferent sections of humanity.

(22:34):
So that's why I use them as aframework for my.
For my PhD work.
Because if I'm trying to bringeverything together, I had to have
some kind of, like, space toput it in.
And so astrology, it walks youthrough life.
So the beginning with Aries,first house, it's about yourself.
It's about how you grew up,how you keep that childhood curiosity

(22:58):
and excitement as an Aries does.
So that's why Aries now, asadults, they're known as being impulsive
or being too ambitious.
Things like this orleadership, because it all comes
back to the beginning.
Whereas Pisces is the end ofthe zodiac.
And it's supposed to besomebody who brings everything together,
who sees the collective as a whole.

(23:20):
That's what they say.
Jesus is a Pisces becausereally brought everybody together
and tried to feel like humanity.
Okay, okay, so.
And then in between.
Let's just go.
It's halfway Libra.
Libra is about connection with yourself.
So if we start at thebeginning, Aries, connection with
yourself, Libra, connectionwith others, and then Pisces, connection

(23:42):
with the world.
So that's what, like, each ofthese signs, like, represent.
Oh, but we all have part of,like, that part.
We all have all of them.
Yeah.
Okay.
Okay.
Every single one.
Wow.
See, this is where my mind isstarting to be blown, because I've
always been like, okay, all Iknow about astrology is I'm a Taurus,
and I am one thing that I canreally relate to as far as Taurus

(24:03):
goes.
Super earthy, super loyal, andprobably stubborn.
But, like, I mean, other thanthat, I don't know.
So you're saying it's morethan just you have everything in
you.
One of the things that I wasthinking was when you start thinking
about your signs and stuff,and you want to go to an astrologist

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and ask questions, you want to ask.
Okay, you don't want to sayparticular, just what is the right
thing for me to do, but maybelike, hey, with the way my house
is set up, how can Iaccomplish these things that I want
to accomplish?
Because it's like you're,you're saying it's not predestiny.
We're not like, oh, everyCapricorn has this talent and should

(24:46):
do this.
You're just saying there aresome strengths that you could have
and it can help you in this way.
Exactly, yeah.
People like to use it as kindof like a map.
Like, okay, these are, theseare the, the strengths that I have
now and these are the ones Iwill have in the future.
So let me start workingtowards them.
Okay.
But I see that kind of like aself fulfilling prophecy.
Oh, yeah.

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I really use astrology as justa way of learning more about myself.
Like, it's still a way for meto understand myself and to see,
like, how I can uplift peopleor how I can connect with them, how
I can show my love.
Okay, I have another question.
So say what makes me a Taurus?
Versus I hear some people say,well, you're a Taurus, but you haven't

(25:27):
this leaning or I don't know,like, why do we just go by the bay?
Is that the whole chart thatwe're going by?
When you, when we have likethe differentiations of like, oh,
you're Taurus, but this.
Then yeah, you're looking atthe whole.
Oh, but if you just say you're.
A Taurus, that just means thatyour son is in Taurus.

(25:47):
Your son.
Okay, yeah.
Okay.
When you were born.
When you were born.
But now it could be somewhere else.
Oh, no, your son's alwaysgoing to be in Taurus.
Yeah, that's always in Tauruswith the progress chart.
It depends degrees.
So let's say.
So for instance, I have mymoon at 29 degrees in Sagittarius.
So in the progress chart itwould be like maybe like 3 degrees

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in Capricorn because it'salways moving.
Yeah.
Interesting.
And then you have to learn.
Do you have to memorize allthat stuff?
You're like, yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's what I loved aboutastrology too, is that it was so.
It wasn't like I had to sitdown and study or read all these

(26:33):
books.
It was just like picking it upas I went along, like reading a little
bit here, a little bit there.
But it wasn't even likereading books.
I would read a little bit andthen apply it to my life and say,
okay, like, is this actually working?
What is, what does it mean?
That kind of thing.
And like really be checking itAs I went along.
Because when I first started,I was kind of trying to disprove

(26:54):
it because I was.
Like I said I was so into academia.
Yes.
I only knew about Leo sons.
And I'm like, okay, that's nottrue, because I don't do this, this,
and this, like other Leo sons.
But then that's when I had tostart digging deeper and deeper.
I'm like, oh, okay.
There's this whole world to.
Interesting.
And so I.
That's how I learned it.

(27:14):
Just a little by little andreally applying it to myself and
then applying it to the peoplein my life so that I'm.
Okay.
Okay.
So one of the things youbrought up when we had our pre.
Conversation was that you needto create roots that are true to
you and not what other people say.
So how.
How have you.
And how does one create theroots that they're meant to have?

(27:37):
Yeah.
So going back to ReneeDescartes from the 1500s, he said
that the only way that we knowwhat's real is the things that.
Because our mind is workingand because we can see that things
exist.
So his thing is I am,therefore I exist.
Yes.
Or I think, therefore.
You know who that is, Melissa?
Like, yeah, yeah.

(27:57):
He's a philosopher.
Oh, okay.
I haven't.
So.
But I saw your face change,and so I was like, oh, Melissa knows
about this?
Yes.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So, like, I think therefore I am.
Right?
Yeah, exactly.
I think therefore I am.
And so he had to, like,basically spill out all of his belief
system and see, okay, why do Ibelieve this?

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Is this true?
Is this not true?
And so at the end of that,that's how he came up with the I
think, therefore I am.
So when I did it, it was rightafter or it was during COVID because
I met this guy, and fourmonths later, we were engaged.
And a little after that, wewere married.
And my whole, like, supportsystem freaked out at me.

(28:41):
And they were like, this isthe wrong guy.
Like, you shouldn't be with him.
We've been married now.
It's gonna be six years, so congratulations.
So it ends up being good.
But it was because of thatthat I was like, okay.
Like, I know in my heart thathe's the right guy, but everyone's
saying that it's wrong, thatit's false.
So I think that's kind of howall of this came up, too, with, like,
the beginning, what I wastalking about, the different ways

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of knowing that, like, thechart lights up with the ways of
knowing, but it's just thoseTwo, that what the world sees that
says that, no, like, on paper,it would never work, but in actuality,
it has been working.
So I had to really dump outevery single belief system that I
had about love.
About the same time I was in that.

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My PhD program, and I wasthinking about quitting because I
was getting all into thespiritual stuff.
So I'm like, how can I bespiritual and an academic?
Like, that doesn't really make sense.
So all of this was happeningat the same time that Granite Spirits
came up.
So it was, like, really tryingto embrace myself as an oxymoron.
And now I'm seeing thateverybody's multi.
Multi dimensional.

(29:44):
Everybody has an oxymoron.
Everybody has.
And they work together.
Yeah, let them.
If you let them.
That's the thing, is thatwe're constantly fighting with ourselves.
Like, our head and our heartsare fighting or, like, are fighting
with.
With the other parts of ourselves.
And I.
That's why I created thechart, so that we can, like, see
all the different parts ofourselves so that we know who is

(30:06):
fighting with who.
So, wait, you created a chartof your own?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Oh, tell us about that.
I think I didn't understand that.
Yeah.
I didn't realize at thebeginning the 16 different ways of
knowing that.
Okay, is that what you were saying?
Because I was just about toask you.
You said, like, everybody'stelling me no, but they're just looking
at.
On paper and like, head in the heart.

(30:28):
I'm looking at the chart, andit all was lighting up.
Saying, this is Right.
What ways?
What were you seeing on your.
What was your.
Yeah, that's a great question.
Yeah.
Because what's lighting up?
When you're like.
It's lighting up.
You're not talking about just,like, in your brain and in your heart,
it's lighting up.
You're talking about.
You followed your six various modalities.
Yeah.
Oh, well, at the time, it was.

(30:48):
I just created this, like, it's.
It's gonna be a book that'scoming out soon, but it's not like
it's been through trying tofigure this out that I've been able
to create the chart.
Nice.
Okay, so, like, what waslighting up for you?
So for me, it was like, the.
The negative parts of theparts that like to say this.
This is right.

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It's okay.
Go against.
Yeah.
Like, the green.
Because a lot of times,especially, like, we do a lot of
work with, like, domesticviolence and stuff, and it's like,
oh, if your friends aretelling you these are red Flags.
This is bad.
Like, you should probablylisten to your friends when they're
all telling you something, butwhat you're saying is that all of
your friends and family werelike, hey, this isn't right.

(31:30):
Like, this is too fast.
But you went against that, andit was exactly what you were meant
to do and supposed to do, andyou're happy and thriving.
So.
Yeah, I'd love to know how.
Like, how you knew.
Yeah, like the difference.
Yeah.
So my chart, it combines thesoul, mind, body and spirit, and
then the four disciplines.

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And so for me, the two mainones that really lit up were.
Wait, what are the.
What are the four disciplines?
Just for those who don't know, like.
Myself, the natural sciences,the social sciences, the humanities,
and the arts.
Thank you.
Okay, perfect.
Yeah.
So the body of the soul is expression.

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So if you think about oursoul, if we were to think about our
soul having a body, it wouldbe the express how we express ourselves.
Yes.
And the way of knowing is somatic.
So when you feel it inside,like, your body feels good doing
this.
Right.
The somatic part, then theacademic subject related to it is

(32:34):
the performing arts.
So like theater, dance, Iwould even say, like, entrepreneurship,
leadership, like getting upand like, speaking or like using
your body to express, like,that kind of stuff.
Okay.
And then the astrology sign is Leo.
So shining bright, all of that.
So like with my husband, he.

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He allows me to.
To shine bright.
He doesn't put me in a box too.
Like, you can only do this.
He allows me to, like, spreadout and like, what we're talking
about earlier with the roots,to go deep with things and to really
build these sturdy roots sothat the found.
So now, now the foundation is,like, set for us to be able to, like,
live out our dreams.

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So that was a really big onewith the belief system.
So that one's more intuitivewhere if someone tells you something,
it's up to you to check withinand think, like, is this true?
Is this not true?
I always like to use, like,short and tall.
Because, you know, if you'reshort or you're tall, anything that

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can be.
Yeah, so someone.
It could be measured.
Yeah.
Like, if someone were to callme short, I'm really tall.
So if someone were to call me,sure, I'd be like, no, I know that's
not true.
So it doesn't matter.
But if someone were to call medumb, then I'd be like, oh, like,
am I dumb?
Like, you'd be rethinking itand so, like, that kind of thing.
So that's like where it reallyhit hard with me with my husband.

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Was that what everybody elsewas saying?
It didn't feel like how insideit felt like what they were saying
was wrong.
Like if they were saying thathe's short, he's really tall too.
So it's like if everyone wascalling him short when I know that
he's not short.
So like that's where that onecame in.
That's cancer.
Cancer is naturally rules the moon.

(34:18):
So the moon is the sign ofyour internal world.
Your intuition, your emotionsare also part of that.
And where did the cancer comein for you?
I was gonna say how did you attach.
Like earlier you said that wasLeo and this is cancer.
How do you attaching.
Are these your like specificelements or.
Oh, no, this is the generalfor everybody.

(34:41):
So you're just saying theseare like aspects of a cancer is like
to.
Like you said, Leo is helpingyou shine bright.
And so what makes that the case?
It's just because Leo, that'swhat it embodies with cancer.
Cancer.
I was saying that it rules themoon and things.
So it is about like reallytapping in and feeling.

(35:01):
And then with the beliefsystems, cancers can I always feel
like a little crab wherethey're really about protecting the
inner and pushing out the outer.
And so when we see this insociety, it's like when people groups
come together and like, oh,you're not part of us.
So like you can't be part of this.
So that's where I was sayingwith cancer, and this is the body

(35:23):
of the mind.
So with cancer, it's knowingwhat is.
How do I say this?
The mind.
Okay.
So when we think aboutconceptualize what a mind is, some
people would say that it isyou and other people say it's the
body.
And so like that's where a lotof like the.

(35:44):
The fight comes in.
But if you think about themind as a body, it would be the belief
systems.
It would be.
This is what I believe andthis is how I'm acting.
So like the body is going tofollow whatever the belief systems
are in place.
And so that's why cancer wouldcome in.
Would come in there.
I think that we're confused on.

(36:07):
So are.
Are we hearing that like weare all the signs?
Yeah, you're all of them.
Oh, okay.
So where we have all of thesigns and then those signs.
Signs mean something differentthat pertain to you.
So for you, you were sayingthat for you the cancer represents

(36:31):
the mind, the belief system.
Yes.
Yeah, yeah.
Okay.
Okay.
And you were Saying that.
What the Leo for you meansthat that's, like, your light up.
Yeah, but that's for everybody.
Wherever it is that you haveLeo, that's where you shine.
That's where you light up.
Got you.
What do you mean when you say that?
Like, wherever that is.

(36:53):
Whatever.
Wherever House.
Whatever house that you have.
It.
Let's.
Let's look at, like, the chartfor today.
Like, out, like.
Yeah.
Because.
Okay, so not.
I'm not trying to take us on adifferent tangent, but because you
can also, like, use charts forbusinesses and, like, relationships.
Besides, just when you saybusiness, like, the day you've, like,

(37:16):
launched it, like, that wouldbe like the.
That's the.
That's the date that you'd putinto the.
Oh, yeah.
Because I wanted to, like,kind of.
Yeah.
I was thinking about.
For you and I. Sam.
Yeah, that would be really fascinating.
Yeah.
But.
Okay, so, like, do you guess.
Let's look at today right now?
We.
We did January 2, 2024.

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Okay.
In Suwanee, Georgia.
Wow.
Okay.
You're smart.
You are, too.
So.
Oh, okay.
So talking about cancer andthe moon, that it naturally rules
for you guys, it rules invirgo in the 12th house.
So what this means is that youguys, like, getting into, like, the.

(38:00):
The dark and the unknown.
So bring it out into the lights.
It's so true.
That's what we wanted ourpodcast to be about.
I don't understand this.
Yeah.
And then the Virgo means thatyou want to help.
You want to be a service to,like, help people as they listen
to it.
I'm, like, sweating what wesaid we wanted to do.

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It just seems like magic,what's going on.
That's why, like, when I firststarted getting into.
I'm like, there's no way.
And then it just keepshappening over and over and over
again.
That's why I had my whole showabout it, and every time, it always
hits.
So, wait, so why did youdecide to look at where cancer was
and where Virgo is?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Oh, that was just the firstthing that popped up to me on here.

(38:45):
Interesting.
Yeah, but.
But, like, I could go into theother ones.
Let's see.
Yeah, let's do it.
Okay, so you have.
Oh, this is cool.
So Sagittarius in the thirdhouse, it means that it's like, Sagittarius
looks like an arrow.
So I always say it's like astraight shooter.
Okay.
When they're ready to commit.

(39:05):
So it.
The third house is like how.
How you are seen by theoutside world, and so you Have Venus,
Mercury, and Mars all in this house.
So what that means is Venus isabout love.
Mercury is aboutcommunication, and Mars is about,

(39:26):
like, action, but also, like,motivation or drive.
And all of this is comingtogether to say that you are seen
as somebody.
Oh, okay.
This is kind of like you guysare like, the, the ones that are,
you know, people say, jump onthe bandwagon.
Yeah, I mean, the bandwagon.
And, like, people are, like,jumping on to, like, how you feel.

(39:50):
Good.
Oh, my God.
That is interesting.
Okay.
Fun.
Oh, my God.
I'm gonna start using that,like, in our, Like.
Oh, maybe our season threeintro will be.
Or wait, no, we are in seasonthree, four.
Our fourth intro will besomething about, like, jump on our
bandwagon.
That's right.
So, okay, so now.

(40:11):
Okay, so I, I, I'm startingto, like, get more of a clear picture
because you're talking about.
Okay.
Venus means love.
This means so this.
And I'm kind of understandingthat a little bit way.
And I understand how you saidthe houses are kind of like how the
sky is divided up.
But what does each house kindof stand for, too?
Like, what makes you know that?
Oh, that stuff in the thirdhouse means this.

(40:33):
Yeah.
I like to memorize it by,like, a few words so I can go through
them really fast.
So the house is about yourself.
The second house is about yourvalues and, like, financial.
Third house is about, like,how you're seen in the outside world,
but it's also, like, earlychildhood, especially with school
and with siblings and communication.

(40:55):
The fourth house is aboutfamily, and that's where the roots
are built.
And so if you didn't grow upin a good family, those roots are
really small.
So then it's up to you, whenyou're an adult, to build those deep
roots.
But that's also why the ic.
So the bottom of the chart inthe fourth house, it represents the

(41:16):
lowest part of the chart.
I think it got really dark allof a sudden.
But no, this is interesting.
Thank you.
That's all in the fourth house.
Okay.
Getting dark and.
Yeah, like, the negative.
Well, it's interesting becausein your, in your guys's chart, you
guys have Capricorn.
And so Capricorn is about,like, you guys.

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People might be, like,drowning, and you, like, lift them
up.
Oh, I'm gonna cry.
That's a.
Because you have Pluto here, too.
So you're about deep transformation.
That's all we wanted.
Like, we've deeply Transformate.
Transformed.
I know I have for sure.
I know that I've beenenlightened through this.
And, like, that's what we hopeis we really hope that people, they

(41:57):
listen to us and they'reinspired to change into whatever
it is that they have beenthinking or wanting to be.
Yeah, that's true.
Yeah.
And so that's definitely Capricorn.
Capricorn's an ambitious sign.
And like you said earlier, the leadership.
But I always see it as, like,a mountain.
And so since in the fourth house.
The fourth house is typicallya water sign.

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So it's like this mountain inthe sea.
And so people are coming outof the sea and onto the mountain.
Like, so beautiful.
Like a landing pad.
A safe space.
Exactly.
Yeah.
That's what we said too, fromthe beginning, huh, Sam?
We wanted to be a safe spaceto talk about things that are difficult.
This is what we needed to,like, kind of piece it all together.

(42:38):
Yes.
Thank you.
Yeah.
Now it's making sense.
Okay, so how many houses are there?
12.
There's 12.
So.
Yeah, I'm halfway done.
Okay.
She's at 4.
You're at 5 now.
Yeah, I'm writing them down because.
Wait, so you said our darkhouse, like, wasn't even dark.
Our dark house was that, like,we save, like, we want to be us.

(42:59):
Okay.
Okay.
Yeah.
So you guys are lucky that allof the.
The water signs there, thatare typically water signs here, they're
Earth signs.
So it, like, balances you out nicely.
Oh, okay.
Interesting.
I love that.
So the fifth house is expression.
The way that you expressyourself, like, love.
It's also, like, with childrenand, like, finding your inner child

(43:21):
and taking care of your inner child.
Okay.
The sixth house is aboutroutine, about work, your day to
day.
It's also health.
The seventh house is about relationship.
Like, one on one relationship specifically.
Typically, people like to saythat it's marriage, but I say it's
also like business, financial.
Any pairing where it's one onone is the seventh house.

(43:43):
Okay.
The eighth house is about thetaboo stuff, like sex, drugs.
Ooh, what are we?
So you have Taurus here, andTaurus, as you know, is about being
loyal and stubborn.
But you also have Jupiterhere, and Jupiter is about expansion.

(44:06):
So it's kind of like the morethat you talk about these taboo subjects,
the more that you'll expand.
Joseph and Luran is here, andthat one is about, like.
Like a revolution.
It's like switching things upand, like, changing the way that
people typically see these things.
Oh, nice.
This is amazing.

(44:27):
Okay, then the ninth house isabout higher learning.
So it could be higherlearning, like, in school, but it
could also be like a spiritualhigher learning or just like learning
in general.
It's also traveling,languages, foreign languages, things
like that.
Okay.
The tenth house is legacy,reputation, your career, how you're

(44:47):
seen in the public eye.
How would you say that'sdifferent from the third house?
I was just gonna say that.
Which is different than thethird house because the third house
is your initiation, your opening.
Whereas the tenth house ismore like this is your long standing
legacy.
After we're all dead and gone,what is remains?

(45:10):
Okay.
Okay, thank you.
Oh, what is ours?
What's going to remain?
This is so sweet.
It's in cancer.
So it's like that nurturing,like nurturing like the love, compassion,
taking care of one another,that kind of stuff.
Oh, I love anything.

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Then the 11th house is community.
But it's also like dreams,aspirations, like getting yours,
like elevating, getting to thenext level.
And the 12th house is likeyour subconscious, your dreams.
Yeah, that's about it.
Oh.
Like spirituality is also in there.

(45:51):
But I feel like that house,that is a composite of all of them,
right?
Yeah, that's kind of what itsounds like to me.
Because it sounds like we hit like.
Yeah, okay.
Wow.
Okay.
So I'm feeling like I'mfinally kind of.
Some of the stuff we weretalking about earlier is making more

(46:11):
sense.
Yeah.
Okay.
So examples.
It is, it is.
Usually we operate off of examples.
So I'm really glad that wemoved into this direction because
it's really, really clicking.
So we just said that a goodway to look at it is that it's like,
you know, a collective.
Collective.
Collective.
And then a composite ofeverything that like went through.

(46:32):
So if I had to guess again,I'm not going to know, like, because
I don't know anything what isin that last one.
But if I had to guess whateveryou would have to tell us, it would
be something off of things,off of being inspirational.
Growth, love, happy.
Like, if I had to guess, like,that's what you would tell us.

(46:56):
Would sometimes.
Because with the 12th house,it encompasses everything like what
we were saying, so you couldsee it in the positive light.
But then the other way to seeit would be like in.
In Stranger Things, like theUpside down world.
Oh.
Because it's the shadow sideof the first house.
So the way.
So like the circle, it doesn'tgo a circle like a clock.

(47:17):
It doesn't.
It starts here.
So it's 1:12 on this side.
And then it goes 1, 2, 7.
Kind of upside down.
Like the dark tarot and theshadow Work.
Yeah.
Like knowing how to like worklike taking the negative things but
like knowing how to work withthem for yourself.
Yeah.

(47:38):
To make them into a positive.
So that's why like I kind ofagree with you, Sam.
But no, that makes sense.
Like then the negative side inthere too to see how.
Yeah.
Remind me example.
Yeah.
Remind me what our one was andthen remind me how that.
So your one is in Libra.
So Libra super bubbly.
Exactly.
Like one is like the self right.

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To your show in the first place.
Oh, how fun and bubbly youboth are.
And then like the dark sidewould be Virgo.
Which Virgos.
Like, the dark side of them islike they want to be perfectionists.
Okay.
That will like that's a freeat all same from doing it.
But because you have Lilith here.

(48:20):
Lilith is.
Acts like a little bubble.
I like Lilith.
I like that name.
I feel like she's.
Is it.
She kind of like mischievous.
Yeah.
Okay.
Yeah.
So the reason why I call it abubble is because you have to pop
it in order to like, let allof like your mischievousness come
out and like be proud of itand not be ashamed of it.

(48:41):
Okay, interesting.
So what's in our 12th house?
If we're going back to our example.
Lilith.
That's where.
Yeah, that's.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Oh, yeah.
I asked how like what was ourfirst house and how does that reflect
into like our negative quoteunquote, the last house.
But because you're so lightand airy, you wouldn't assume like

(49:04):
it just look.
Looking at the picture, youwouldn't assume that you dig into
these deep.
That's so true too.
And so that's my whole life.
People are like, you're notwhat we thought you were.
Right.
And then our name is like an oxymoron.
Is how I explain it to people.
Because like the people whodon't get it immediately because
a lot.
Some people, a lot of peoplelike her.
So skirts up, then get it immediately.
And then others are like, butwhy like, you know, like show like

(49:28):
showing people your underwear.
I'm like, no, like, like kindof like digging in you in the normal,
like, you know concepts likewe can.
Yes.
Dig in, do hard work.
And like we can just do all things.
Yeah.
Very cool.
That was really fascinating.
So now let me share my.

(49:49):
Oh, there's no sharing.
I was like, let me share mychart so you can.
So that I can actually make it.
Sam, make it so she can share.
Can I do that?
Yeah.
This is awesome.
I would love to have you back.
Yeah, let's be back having some.
That would be amazing.
I'm so glad, like, we.
You know, it shifted into,like, really being able to grasp

(50:10):
it, because now it's making somuch sense, and now.
It'S, like, I'm understandingit more than.
I ever have, and now it's,like, feeding that curiosity of,
like, wow.
Okay.
So there's this to learn about.
There's this to dig into.
And so now it's, like,creating that picture of, like, curiosity
that, like, we have to look into.
Right.
Okay.
Ooh.
The people who, like, have ourPatreon or whatnot are going to be

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able to get this chart.
This is interesting.
Okay.
If you're okay with us sharingit there.
Yeah, of course.
So the top part is, like, theways of knowing.
So, like, archetypal.
This is, like, where astrologycame in.
I put influencers because Ithought about, like, religion is
in here, astrology is in here.

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Actual, like, influencers arein here.
And like, even, like.
Wait, remind me what thischart is.
I'm sorry.
This is the one you created.
This is the one I created.
Yeah.
And you called it.
What do you call it?
I call it the Ornelian framework.
Okay.
Okay.
So why.
How.
Okay, how did you get Arnelian?
Oh, that's my.
My husband's last name.
Oh.
Love it.
Okay.

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I love that.
Okay.
And this chart tells us.
It explains everything.
So we could look at it like.
So let me go through the partsfirst, and then it'll make more sense.
Please.
So the first part is the waysof knowing.
So, like, when we think about,like, a mystical way of knowing,
it could be, like, a sign orlike, the one, one.

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One that people see.
It'd be here with the soul ofthe soul.
Then love.
This is what our souls wantand crave, is love.
But Scorpio is in here, whichis about digging deep.
And the thing is that Scorpiois sometimes seen as dark.
But love is so beautiful andso large and expansive.

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But the deeper that you go,big things are gonna have to come
up that you have to work through.
And that's, like, where thismath comes in.
I think that the reason, like,this is, like, my own thing.
I think that the reason whypeople even started doing math, like,
now it's, like, allcomplicated with a bunch of things
that no one asked for.
Well, I think the root of math is.
Is to understand love.

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Like, if we think about, like,the limits and, like, infinities,
people have been trying tofigure out, like, the different kinds
of infinities and Is thisinfinity bigger than this infinity?
And I'm like, all you'relooking at is love.
So that's like, how many lives can.
You have and how much love canyou give?
Yeah.
And also, like, how.
When people say.
People are always trying tosay, like, how much you love somebody.

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Like, how do you show that love?
And people say, like, to themoon and back or to like, different
things like that.
But if you have in thesedifferent kinds of infinities, they.
There are different kinds oflove for different kinds of people.
And you love everybody, butthere's always going to be value
that it's still infinite.
Like, you still love thisinfinite, but there's different levels

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to this infinity.
Okay, so that's just one example.
Can I ask a real quick question?
So you're showing that Scorpiois there in that part of the chart.
But what I don't understand isI thought the planets were always
moving.
Is this from a snapshot from you.
Or this is your personal.

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How does Scorpio get in thatplace right there?
So you're looking at astrology.
As far as active astrologyhappening now, they are always constantly
moving.
I'm looking at astrology asthe archetypes.
So, okay, Scorpio in and ofitself mean.
Thank you.

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Then we can apply it to thechart later.
Oh, well, for yours, sincewe're here.
Oh, you have Scorpio.
We're talking about business.
Business, yes.
Okay.
Okay.
So that we can make sense.
Like, yeah, the business.
But also like, it's.
It's us.
It's our relationship.
Yeah.

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So Skirts up has it in thesecond house.
So it's the values.
So you value love and youvalue spreading love.
Wow.
Yeah.
So for me, I have scorpio inthe 10th house.
So my love comes from.
From my career, from mydifferent programs that I have.

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So this is even all the thingsthat we've talked about.
This is just one little thingcompared to all of the other things
that I'm working on.
Okay.
This is so Scorpio.
Like, it's so deep where youjust have to keep going deeper and
deeper and deeper.
And that's what I love aboutScorpio, even though it does get
a bad rap.
So, okay, so you're saying.
Okay, can I ask a question?
So across the top of the chartis soul, mind, spirit and body.

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But it's also down the left side.
And I'm not used to seeing thesame things on both the top and the
left of a chart.
I'm used to seeing, like, twothings and how they intersect.
So what is this meaning?
Like, what are we looking at?
Yeah.
So when I first started doingthis kind of work, I was trying to
figure out.
I was trying to separate them.
Like, what is the soul, whatis the mind, what.

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And then spirit ended upcoming out of soul that.
I thought they were the samething, but turns out they're completely
different.
Soul, something that we have inside.
And then the spirits, like ouraura or like our energy that we give
off.
And then a body, obviously our body.
And I try to.
To separate them bythemselves, but it was.
It's not.

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I don't think it's possible toseparate them because they're so
interconnected with everything else.
So I had to put it along theside over here to then be able to
analyze them as they connect.
Instead of the spirit of the body.
The spirit of spirit, connectwith the soul and.
Oh, I get it.

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Thank you.
What the spirit, like spiritto spirit?
What the spirit, like, trulyembodies say.
Okay, okay.
You were able to take eachsign and kind of say what it embod.
Okay, okay, okay, okay.
I'm.
I'm here with you.
I'm following you now.
How the soul and the soul, thetrue soul.
You've got mystical love,Scorpio, and mathematics, which you're

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saying is love.
Yeah.
So that's like the outside isall based on astrology, but then
the inside, these are theproblems that us humans have not
been able to figure out.
So for instance, here withenergy, it's like, how do we give
and take in equal amounts?
Either we're giving too muchor we're not taking enough.
And then same with, like,responsibilities, like up here with

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duty and moral, like, we're.
We either do too much or wedon't do enough.
And then same here withawareness, it's either we're not
aware of what's going on, orwe're too aware where now it's hurting
us because we're too aware of everything.
And then social power.
I mean, I don't have to talkabout politics and power.
Yeah, that's clearly an issuethat we're going through.

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So these four are like.
What I'm saying are the fourof what we're trying to solve, because
out here, these are all basedin astrology, where these are recurring
cycles that will happen for forever.
They've been happening forthousands of years, and they will
continue to happen forthousands of years.
But these four in the center,awareness, duty, power, and energy,

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These are the ones that weneed to, like, work on and so the
way that I've seen it do it islike cutting this up in, in force.
So, okay, for self awareness,it's self love, having the will to
do things and using yourdesires not as a negative, but as
a positive.
Like if you desire something,if you have a need for something,

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give it to yourself.
And if, unless it's somethinglike let's say like you have a desire
to steal, so then you would goto this awareness part and reflect
on it.
Okay, why do I want to steal?
Okay, Because I don't have anything.
Okay, well is there adifferent way that I can get this?
Okay, then let me go do that.
Because you people like tojust say, oh, I desire this thing,
but I'm not going to doanything about it.

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It's a bad desire.
And they try, they try, theystuff on themselves for desiring
this negative thing.
But it's supposed to be a good thing.
Like there's a reason why youwant this.
Just reflection.
And then now bring love into it.
And now the desire can be apositive thing.
Okay, so we can use like these.

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So that actually kind ofbrings us full circle in my opinion,
how we can use astrology tohelp us grow.
Like you don't want to, youdon't have to just look at it and
be like, oh, it's going totell me how I'm supposed to be.
You can say I'm having these feelings.
I am, but.
But let's look more into itabout why and then how can I make
them work for me in a goodway, in a positive way.

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Exactly.
So like here being Libra, Ihad Libra in the ninth house.
So for me it was to dive intoeducation, which is how this whole
thing came about.
But for you guys with Libra,with skirts up, it's in the first
house.
So it's really looking at whatboth of your desires are and then
being able to reflect on it,to then bring it out into the world

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with the will and like bringthat love in to like make it even
more.
Interesting.
Yeah.
What I've been working on, Ilove it.
Thank you.
Well, now I want to ask thequestion of how can we help ourselves

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be?
Let's see, the more successfuland like not.
Yeah.
Like reach more people.
Yeah.
To help them to.
Yeah, yeah.
Where would we look there.
So with reaching more people,what I've found is that it doesn't

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matter how good your contentis because I don't know if you guys
have experienced this, but forme, like the stuff that I put out
that I'M like, oh, thisepisode was okay, but I'm still going
to put it out.
Versus I love this episode so much.
So true that you thought itwas okay.
Like, that one gets moreattention and found is that it's

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really about feeling, like,feeling safe, being seen.
So when you feel it inside,then it brings it out more.
So with those episodes thatyou're like about, you don't care
who sees it because you'relike, whatever.
But when it's something thatyou actually love, it's.
You're putting yourself out there.
That if when it's notreciprocated, like the same energy

(01:00:25):
that you're putting out andit's not reciprocated, then that's
when we are me.
I feel sad, but it really isjust about allowing yourself to be
seen and being proud of whatyou put out in a way.
Nothing that you don't.
How do I say this?
I feel like I'm confusing the words.
Now, but, like, not trying toprotect it because it's, like, not
perfect.
Vulnerable.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Both of them.
Okay.
Yeah.
So it's about, like, beingmore vulnerable with yourself and
going back to my chart withthe Leo, like, expression for skirts
up.
It's in the fifth house, soit's going against the grain.
And, like, that's how you express.
Yeah.
So, like, really sticking withthat and not caring if people get

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feathers ruffled.
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Okay.
Well, that.
That is like an internalbattle, like, for me too, because
I feel like both of us, I feellike, like, Melissa, like, when you're
talking about, like, theMormon Church, like, you are very
careful not to offend anyoneand, like, ruffle any feathers, even
though that was your past andthat is your truth, if you want to

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say.
But it sounds like it's okay.
Like, it's giving us kind ofpermission to, like, it's okay to
say what we need to say.
Like, we're not trying toruffle any feathers, but it.
It's just something that needsto get said and it doesn't have to
be true for you, it's true for us.
Right.
Interesting.
Wow.
Yeah.
This was amazing.
Thank you so much for reachingout to us and joining us on skirts

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up.
Like, I had, like, like Isaid, I was really scared when we
first started this conversation.
Like, oh, like, what are we doing?
Like, there's no way get into.
Right.
I was like, this is.
Wow.
This is just gonna look at howdumb I am.
But this one's, like, really fascinating.
And now, like, it just kind of questions.

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That is very nice of you.
Well, here's the thing.
Like, if we have thequestions, someone else.
Other people do too.
Yeah, yeah.
And.
Yeah.
And this, wow.
Just.
This is really uplifting too,as we're, like, preparing to come
into season four and, like, tohear, you know, I wouldn't have even
thought to look into Skirts upand like, it's astrology.
And just to hear, like,everything that you had to share

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with us based on what.
What that is.
It's like, wow.
Like, we really are, like,doing what we thought we were doing.
It's kind of like what I'm hearing.
Yes.
That's what I love about astrology.
It's like when you look atyour personal one, it's like, whoa,
like, I actually am in theright direction.
Especially when I earlierthat, like, everyone was saying,
don't do this, don't do this.
But when I look at myastrology, I'm like, no, it's right,

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like, look.
It doesn't make sense.
Yeah, now that clicks too.
Just like, looking, since youhave it in front of you.
Our dates and our.
Our houses and what not.
Do you have anything thatyou're like, hey, this is something
I think you guys should knowand I'm gonna tell you before we
head out.
Yeah, ruffle the feathers.
I'm just kidding.
Yeah, definitely.

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That's the number one thing.
Okay.
Because the north node is inAries, and so it's like you guys
are going to be doingsomething that no one else has done
before.
So Aries is, like, the firstto do things.
So, like, really focus on that.
Like, what's something that noone else has done?
Or like, in your own way,because obviously everyone has right

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about to say.
Me, and I have to reflect on.
That because everything's been done.
But.
Yeah, but it's by.
So your chiron we were talkingabout at the beginning is right next
to it.
Okay.
North node is about, like,evolving and moving forward spiritually.
But the chiron is like that wound.

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So, like, there's a wound that.
That you may not want to gofirst or like something that comes
up that you.
You may not want to, but youknow that it's going to help people.
So you're going to do itbecause vulnerable.
Yeah.
We both have talked about howwe were raised and things that we
want to talk about and bringup, but we feel like we're still
trying to protect people fromour childhood.

(01:04:25):
That we're like, okay, no,we'll just put brush over that.
But we keep teetering with it.
So that's like really amazingthat you brought that up.
Like I actually just got goosebumps.
I did too.
And the fact that it's in theseventh house, meaning like that
one on one relationship likebetween the two of you is incredible.
So to really you like helpeach other with those wounds that

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you can bring it out into thismain stage.
Oh man.
I don't know what's going onwith me but I might cry.
I literally have I think thesame feeling.
Sam, I love you so much.
We have like seen each other through.
A lot of you.
We have.
Thank you so much for havingme on.
That's just been great.

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Thank you.
Amazing.
Our minds are blown which islike what we're always looking for.
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