S1, E86: FlowHaus - Mitch Matthews - Small Lake City

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
If you want a good career and you want a good
business, listen to everyonewho's gone before you've done it
.
But if you want a successfullife, sometimes it means
listening to nobody Like.
I was in the NFL for two yearsas well.
I'm done playing football.
I just started this business.
My mom had just passed away.
I always promised myself thatwhen football was done whenever

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it was that I was going to bereally freaking good at the next
thing I did.
All these new experiences thatallowed us to feel this sort of
superhuman depth.
It's not a mirage Like a lot offollowers isn't necessarily a
community.
A lot of people knowing youisn't a community.
So community truly takes time.
I want to see someone I loveall the way on the other side of
the sauna like pouring up, butthat's what I want.

Speaker 2 (00:45):
What is up everybody and welcome back to another
episode of the Small Lake CityPodcast.
I'm your host, eric Nielsen,and this week's guest is someone
who moved to Utah from thePacific Northwest to play
football at BYU, before playingin the NFL for four different
NFL teams, starting a successfulbusiness, but somehow felt like
there was more to his life thathe needed to be doing Now.

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This journey led him to Polandand eventually to the top of a
mountain after a four hour hikein nothing but boots, gloves and
shorts.
Now this person's name is MitchMatthews.
Now, having a very successfulathletic career, he is now
opening up his own studio downin Pleasant Grove that provides

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cold and hot therapy via saunaand cold baths, breathing
classes, all in an effort tobring people together, create a
community, to help raiseeverybody's vibrations and bring
people together.
Now we talk about everythingfrom his football career to loss
in his life, to his newendeavor and what's motivating
him to do it, and a lot of hisethos in doing so.
So it's a great episode andalso huge shout out to Johnny

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Johnson for letting us record inhis studio at lift threads.
So if any of you need newathletic gear and are looking
for a new option outside of thenormal stuff.
Definitely check out hiswebsite, lift threadscom great
local company, great product,and so definitely go check that
out.
But otherwise this is anepisode you're going to love.
So check this out with MitchMatthews and his story of

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creating Flow House Were youborn here in Utah, I grew up in
Oregon, portland, oregon.

Speaker 1 (02:19):
Oh, you're a Portland guy.

Speaker 2 (02:20):
I'm headed there this weekend?
Are you really?
Yeah, love, florida FromBeaverton.
Your point, I'm headed therethis weekend.
Are you really?
Yeah, love, for I've been inbeaverton.
No, yeah, I will be inbeaverton, I have, uh.
So I used to live in seattle.
I went there after school forlike my first couple jobs out of
college did you talk about this?
Maybe?
Uh, keep going.
Yeah, so it was up there.
And then I have a bunch offamily in oregon where, um, oh
my gosh why can I never rememberthe names, but it's one is

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lives right off, right off theColumbia River, kind of just
east of Smalltown.
Yeah, smalltown, gresham,gresham, thank you, wow, that
was actually really impressive.
So she lives in Gresham.
Her husband is a pharmacist,huge fisherman.
He works two hours the bestfishery in the world, in my
opinion, oh, exactly.
So he goes there usually everyday before work in the summer.

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And then I have a cousin thatlives out in willamette valley
and then my aunt lives inwilsonville.

Speaker 1 (03:12):
Um, so, yeah, they're like gresham, I'd say is is
still a suburb.
It is a suburb for sure, butit's like your working class,
like hard-working, typicallypeople, yeah, blue collar, uh.
And then wilsonville used to belike oh, wilsonville, that's
like way out there, hardworking,typically people, yeah, blue
collar.
And then Wilsonville used to belike oh, wilsonville, that's
like way out there.
Now it's like so populated thatlike Wilsonville touches the
rest of the population, yeah,like the suburbs.

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And so Wilsonville is likewhere a lot of my friends live
now, where it used to be like asmall town, yeah, but I had a
lot of teammates and like travelball and stuff from Gresham,
it's a great place.

Speaker 2 (03:44):
Yeah, sick Interesting.
I didn't know you were fromPortland.
Yeah, I love Portland.

Speaker 1 (03:48):
I was born in Vegas, okay, lived there for nine
months as a baby, and then I wasin Portland for 18 years before
I went to college at BYU.
Oh, okay, oregon's home, thatmakes sense.
I was.

Speaker 2 (03:58):
I assume I mean playing sports, growing up in
Beaverton, portland area, andthen Got a scholarship to BYU
Cool, wait, so I know you playedfootball at BYU.
What years were you there?
12 to 15.
Okay, so that's like right when?
Because when I was in collegeat the U, it was 12 to yeah,
Love it.
Let's say yes what?
It started January 2012, andthen graduated December 2016?

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16 or 15?
16.
16.

Speaker 1 (04:22):
Because I had 12.
No, because if 12, you werethere 13, 14, 15, unless you
went a fifth year.
I did like.

Speaker 2 (04:29):
I did five.
Oh, okay, because I went from.
I started off as anarchitecture major because
that's what I thought I wasgoing to do.
Turned out not enough jobs, notenough money, not my kind of
creativity to civil engineering,pre-pharmacy business.
I pre-pharmacy business, I haveno idea what the hell I'm going

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to do.

Speaker 1 (04:49):
Finance, and then finally that that was the one
that stuck.
How are we bro?
I'm done, I'm done, I'm done.
I just knew I'm watching thekids for two hours after this.

Speaker 2 (04:54):
I'm like I gotta get ready for that, but tell me
about that experience at BYUplaying football, cause like I
know I mean cause like was thatright before Satake got there
Right before?

Speaker 1 (05:03):
Right before.
So I had the last four years ofMendenhall Cool Dude.
I had an amazing experience.
I had an amazing experienceGrowing up in Beaverton.
I was a Duck fan.
Just because everyone loved theDucks, all the Nike, you know
the swag?
Oh yeah, everyone loved them.
But my brother got ascholarship to BYU and from that

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point on, when I was a freshmanhe was a junior we were just
BYU people instantly, which wascool, and you, coming into it,
like you know I was, my brotherwas extremely highly recruited.
I wasn't as much.
What position did he play?
Tight end receiver, and whatwere you Receiver?

Speaker 2 (05:42):
He's bigger than me, though, so he played some tight
ends, he's bigger than you,thicker, okay, I was going to
say Because you're like, not asmall person.

Speaker 1 (05:47):
No, no, no, I'm on the very tall end Of Of Football
players Receivers.

Speaker 2 (05:54):
Yeah, the tallest, I would hate to defend you.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (05:59):
So we came to BYU and you have these extremely high
hopes that when you're gettingrecruited, like you think,
you're going to go straight toBYU and just be the man.
Yeah, you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (06:07):
I mean that's being a naive recruit is like but
everybody was the man and thinkthey're going to be the man, and
then they walk up.

Speaker 1 (06:13):
Exactly I got to BYU and they were like who the fuck
is this guy?
You know what I mean?
Like I'm like, wait, Irecruited kid like me and my
brother were a big deal.
They didn't even like I readshirt as a freshman, didn't even
have a chance to play, which,what they were right about.
Um, but like I think I thinkpeople, when they ask that
question, like what was it like,it's because they're thinking

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from the optics of like it wasprobably amazing, it was
probably perfect.
They're on stage, yeah, but yougo through some shit, dude.
Yeah, you go through some.
I was, you know, I was theperfect, literally on stage.
But you go through some shit,dude, you go through some.
I was, you know, I was thefeatured player on the team for
two years, so I had an amazingexperience.
But that's one player like alot of other guys are.
Like like a lot of my friends,like they didn't have a good

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experience.
They're riddled with injuriesand they didn't get along with
coaches and had a poorexperience, but like we're there
at the same time.
I was you know what I'm saying.
So, like I'm, I'm I say thatbecause I'm extremely freaking
grateful for my experience atBYU, because I got the ball.
Yeah, I was the guy, you know Iwas the guy that other teams
planned for, like I I was, youknow, one of the main year I was

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like this goes to transferring,yeah, me and a bunch of the
players, because like it's notperfect in any way, but my
junior and senior year I had agreat opportunity and I, you
know it went well.
But, like my brother'sexperience is way different than
mine, me and coach Mendenhall,he's a great guy, but like we
are two opposite personalitiesInteresting, I mean like hall
he's a great guy, um, but likewe are two opposite
personalities and just like Imean like opposite, and so that

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was different, you know.
So I wish I would have had, youknow, maybe two years with men
in hall, two years with sataki,because sataki is more my style.

Speaker 2 (07:52):
Yeah, you know what I mean and it's so interesting
too because, like my sister Imean played soccer all in high
school, played um college balland she it kind of what's made
her fall out of love with it.
Because, again, like she wasamazing in high school.
I mean I mean starting varsity,like all of the things that
most people are, but then allthe politics, coming in college

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and like you want to be thatperson and it doesn't work, and
so it's not like it's cool tohear that you had these first
two years that were like what amI doing here?
And then all of a sudden, likethis switch flipped and then you
were that guy.

Speaker 1 (08:23):
Well, dude just to double down on what you just
said like I was in the NFL fortwo years as well, yeah, and it
was amazing, but it was thetoughest two years of my life
for a lot of reasons.
But, like, do you go back to?
Like you're a rookie, like theydo not care about you at all

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and I'm an undraft?
I was undrafted, a white guyreceiver, like they.
I don't know how anyone canlook over my my head, as tall as
I am, but like you're, you arenothing there.
I was in kansas city in 2016,loved andy reed.
I went there because of andyreed, um, and but it was like
was great, but awful at the sametime.

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So I'm like this is supposed tobe my dream, but like I wake up
every day with a knot in mystomach, whether I'm fired or
not.
You know what I mean.
Like this is crazy, but like Imean, man, it turned you into
the person you are.
I was playing with the bestathletes in the world and, uh,
it was an amazing experience,you know.
But, like to your point, likewhen the NFL comes on, like on

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Sundays, I'm like I don't careto watch that.
Like that brings back somememories.
They're like not all great, youknow, but like, dude, an
amazing experience to receive,like just even to look at like a
paycheck coming to you fromlike an NFL team and it has the
NFL logo on there and that youknow the Kansas City Chiefs and
the Cleveland Browns, and you'relike man, I'm getting paid to

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play football.
That's amazing and I can never,like I can't look at that
experience and be like, oh, youknow, it was terrible.
No, it was my dream job, I'mliving it, loved it.
But there are some like thereare some speed bumps, dude.
There are some tough timeswhere you're like I just need a
break from the game, you know.

Speaker 2 (10:04):
What was that like?
Because I mean, obviously inyour entire life, up until that
point, your life was football,living, breathing football, yeah
, and at some point like talkingwith, I mean, one of my friends
, nate Orchard.
I played with Nate Orchard inCleveland, oh hell, yeah, oh,
that's right, because you I meanhe went around so many
different places, so manyinjuries, just like trying to
make it work.
And I mean it's got to be hardto, like A, have your dream come

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true and then kind of realizeit's not the same dream that you
had in your head.
You kind of have to grasp withthat because, again, it's still
work, you still have to fightfor the position, there's still
going to be people that aregoing to be transferred, they're
going to be cut, they're goingto be I, these things, yeah, and
so it's not like happily everafter, as soon as you get your
nfl paycheck, you know yeah,yeah.
And so how was that?
I mean process going from.
Again, like you have this highschool experience of like, all

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right, top dog, I got recruited,humbled, rebuilt, and I'm that
top dog, humbled, yeah.
And then also like that nexttransition of going from oh,
this has been my entire life,but now I kind of have to like
fight for this, like figure outwhat my next step is.
Straight up, yeah, dude.

Speaker 1 (11:08):
Um, yeah, man, but that's one.
That's.
Life, like to have ups anddowns too.
It's also just.
It's so rare, so rare, and soif anyone counts on this,
they're just wrong.
It's so rare to be top five ortop 10 first round pick where

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you get a $30 million signingbonus wired to your account
within a week of getting draftedand you're probably going to
have a seven, eight year career.
Like there's a group of 10 ofthose in every draft.
Besides that, dude, everyone'sfucking fighting bro, and I mean
like for a job.
Yeah, dude, there was a secondor third round pick when I was
in Kansas City.
He got cut before I did inKansas City.

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Like it just goes.
Like they were wrong about it,our analysis of him was wrong
and he got cut.
So, like, even if you'redrafted third round, it's like,
bro, you can be cut too.
Yeah, I'm like man, he's afirst round and he, he's riding
the bench and he'll probablyprobably gone, you know, next
year.
Anyways, um, it is, it is.
Uh, you have to be yourself-talk, has to be so elite,

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cause, like I was, I was cutfour times over over two years.
But to like have someone saylike, hey, it's not going to
work out, and it could bedifferent reasons.
Maybe it's an injury.
Hey, it's not going to work out, we're going to go in a
different direction, whatever,whatever.
It's like dude, millions ofpeople hear about it.
You're embarrassed as hellCause you got cut, like in front

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of the world pretty much youknow what I mean and you're like
man, I'm flying back to utah togo, like, stay at my parents
because this is pre-nil, so likeI didn't have money coming from
college.
So, uh, anyways, I'm like I'mback at home, jobless.

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I thought I was in my dream joblast week and I was full bliss,
yeah, and now I'm jobless andI'm calling my agent like yo,
what's the word?
Who's calling me?
He's like, oh well, this team'scalled, but they're going to
want to wait a week.
And this team and I'm like, no,no, no, I don't just sit around
.
This is not what I do.
I always have a plan.
I've always been on the teamand they have a plan for me.
What is going on?
So you have these little minimoments how do I do this?

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And then a team picks you upand you're with them for six
months and it's great and it'sawesome, but you have to be
ready to go through some shit.
Yeah, it's very rare.
There's probably five guys perlocker room where no one in the
world could fire them or cutthem.
Like their job is good.
Yeah, everyone else is battling.

Speaker 2 (13:40):
Yeah, everyone else has got battling.
Yeah, everyone else is gonnanot know something about if
they're gonna make it or not.
And is that hard to navigatethat?
Because you get like I, thesport I follow the most is golf
and like, I love like golfer,just like colin morikawa is one
that comes to mind because he'skind of an asshole, but frankly,
but like that's what you haveto be.
Because he's like I am the bestgolfer in the world.
I can beat anybody on any givensunday.

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I can do this.
And some people, people arelike, well, how egotistical I'm.
Like, but you have to be thatguy.
Because if you're not like thatelite mentality you're talking
about, because if you're like,well, maybe I am, we're like, oh
, this guy could be better, thenyou're not going to fight for
it, you're not going to do that.
But I mean, how does that?
Or like relied on, or is itjust kind of like, hey, this is

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business, we're fighting for ourown spots.

Speaker 1 (14:24):
Dude, good luck it's a great question, but I would
say, like, dude, from theautomatic locks to making the
roster, to like probably notgonna make it and anywhere in
between, there's just a widerange.
I would say most for the mostpart, dude.
Um, guys are just, guys aredown to earth, dope and cool,

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cool inner.
Personally, like, let me, letme explain a little bit more.
Like when I was there, I mean,dude, you have the starting
quarterback.
That's like, hey man, nice tomeet you, you're brand new.
Like I just want to introducemyself.
Not, not everything is like TomBrady-esque.
At the end of the day, it'sstill like dudes who are 24 to

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30.
They're just bros.
Bros.
We've been getting screamed atall day by coaches.
We've been grinding our ass off.
It's 110 in Miami and we'resitting in the players' lounge
just like vibing.
Like, typically, guys love eachother and it's awesome, cool,
even though you're competing forjobs.

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Like dude, that builds likebrotherhood Totally.

Speaker 2 (15:32):
Trauma bonding at its best, so a few people are going
to relate with you.

Speaker 1 (15:36):
Yeah, like there's 10 receivers there, only six are
going to make it and everyoneknows that.
But it's like dude, you'reactually homies.
Yeah, you know what I'm saying.
It's not like dude.
I can't talk to you because I'mtrying to make the team too,
maybe in certain moments.
But like you're all, you are abrotherhood that is there to
protect each other from thecoaches and the pressure and the

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media.
Like you're all you got TotallyDoes that?

Speaker 2 (15:58):
make sense.
I mean especially because,again, like there's only so many
expert X people that go to thatlevel and go to experience what
it's like to be on an NFLroster, to get that NFL check
and like that's one thing I'verealized is, like the more kind
of like niche and nuance yourlife is, the harder it is to
find people like talk to aboutit that you can understand
Totally and like in like themost.
Yeah, and so I'm curious though, like that kind of like

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comparing those two locker roomdynamics and the people that are
you're found in both, from likeBYU and NFL.
I mean, would you say that kindof feeling?

Speaker 1 (16:34):
between players is similar or like.
What was those differencesbetween those two situations?
There was a level of pressurein the NFL that wasn't there in
college, but it's just thenature of the game, and what I
mean by that is there are 140Division I colleges.
There are 32 NFL teams.
On the Division I collegesthere's 100 players on the
roster.
In the NFL it's 63 with theactive roster and the practice

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squad, and so like the writing'son the wall that there's just
an added pressure, yeah, butstill, like in college you're,
you're getting mother after allday.
At practice, you're in intensemeetings every day.
A lot of them are just intense,calling you out.
So when you get in the lockerroom with the boys, dude, that's
like your safe haven.
Cool, you know I'm saying whichI would hope, dude, it has to

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be.
Though like life is not likecoaches screaming in you in the
locker room or, sorry, atpractice, meetings are intense,
the media down your throat, youjust lost this game, whatever.
Like you're telling me a bunchof 1920 and 21 year olds aren't
going to look for a place wherethey're just like safe to be
boys.
Yeah, like my guys that were inmy wedding were guys that I

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competed against all four yearsin college over like who's going
to be the number one receiveryeah, but they were in my
wedding, yeah, and so it's likeit actually.
It actually breathes reallystrong relationships, that
pressure and that intensity.
I would just say the NFL ismore intense and more pressure,
got it.
And also the only thing I'd sayabout like what the NFL and the

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whole in brotherhood is youmove around so much in the NFL
typically that people sort ofwait to see how long you're
around before they invest inlike a long-term relationship
with you yeah, cause they don'twant to sit there and be like,
hey, what's up, man?
But we'll be like all of asudden next week.
That happens all the time andso that there's a natural
waiting to build relationships.

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But in college it's like allright, you're welcome to the
team, you'll be here for thenext four years, we'll be homies
, so right away you're sort ofin In the NFL.
There's like a we can starthanging out when you're on the
team, or you know what I mean.
There's a little bit of that,naturally, but rightfully so.
You can only invest in acertain number of relationships
in the NFL.
Boys just want to be boys man,they want a vibe.

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Exactly.

Speaker 2 (18:45):
I love that.
I love that it's at the end ofthe day.
People are like, well, thatkind of sucks Like, do you want
to go hang out?
Do you want to go do this?

Speaker 1 (18:50):
Yeah, exactly, there's still 24 to 30 old guys
like just they want to hang dude, like they want to make fun of
the coaches two years forward.
So you were the.
You were browns, you weredolphins chiefs, browns,
dolphins chiefs, browns,dolphins.
Yeah, um ended with a an ankleinjury that put me out for a
full year, and I was in 2017,almost 2018, okay, and now, as

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it was at that point where I'mlike, okay, it's, I was older
because I started a mission.
Now I've been here for twoyears and so now I'm like 27, 28
year old.
At that point, I feel like itwas just time to move on yeah,
time for the next thing.

Speaker 2 (19:27):
What was that like mentally?
Because, I mean again, you'vebeen doing this your entire life
, yeah, and now you're facedwith this.
All right, like it's tough man.

Speaker 1 (19:33):
it's tough now, yeah, truthfully.
I want to say tough now, I justmean like there's moments where
it comes up you're like man, Iwish I would have had that
10-year nfl career that I wanted.
But like, you move on and you,just you have your NFL and other
industries.
I think you know, for me, Ialways promised myself that when
football was done, whenever itwas, that I was going to be
really freaking good at the nextthing I did and do good just

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continually to find NFL momentsin the next things I get into.
And I think a lot of, especiallyfootball players, but a lot of
athletes, when football is done,it's sort of like.
It's sort of like life is overfor them.
You know, they don't have a job, they don't have, they don't
even have other passions.
They get into trouble.
But for me, I'm like when Ileave football I want to start a

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business.
I want to make in my 20s an NFLmoment in my 30s, 40s and 50s.
I like that mentality so thatwhen I'm 50, people say, oh my
gosh, that's right, you did playfootball, but we're talking
about the new things that I'mcontinuing to do.

Speaker 2 (20:33):
That's, in a perfect world, how I help life goes, and
I agree with that a lot,because you see people in your
life that kind of get stuck.
They either put so muchemphasis on one moment of life
and, like when I see people dropoff in a lot of like college,
they're so stuck in college theylike want to get good grades,
want to get that major, want toget that internship all of a
sudden they graduate.
It's like, oh, like wait, Idon't know like how to connect

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the next thing, or they don'tknow how the next part of their
career transition into the nextpart of life or fail at
something and they just stare atthat closed door for so long.
But there's a quote from uhworld war z where brad pitts I
mean surviving zombies he getslocked in this uh apartment in
new york with this hispanicfamily and they stay the night
there.
They wake up.
He's like all right, we gottago.
Then the dad's like, no, wegotta stay here.

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He's like, no, no, we gotta go.
Movement is life, movement isvita, and so him and kid leave
and the family gets turned intozombies because they stay there,
and so it's like that, thatjust being able to say hey, I
don't know, maybe I don't knowwhat that next step is.
Maybe I don't know what it is,I don't know what my next nfl
moment is, but I gotta keepdoing something straight up.
Yeah, I'll believe it.
Yeah, so I know that the nextstep went into pest control.

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Like, walk me through how thattransition fell into my lap.

Speaker 1 (21:40):
Cool, I, I didn't want to do nothing.
I was rehab, rehabbing.
I was still training infootball, me and my agent were
still close and we're fieldingcalls and whatever.
But I was like, well, let meget started on this quote,
unquote, next thing, whateverthat is, and let me start
preparing.
So if this doesn't work out,then I have something going,

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because I give him too ADD tohave nothing going on.
And this opportunity fell intomy lap.
So my business partner he hadbeen in pest control for 15
years and I said, well, hey, Idon't know anything about this
whole thing, but I knowcommunication, I know leadership
, I think I'm a natural salesguy and could see myself doing

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that, so maybe I head up thisside of things in the business.
And we did, and we sucked assfor two years, frankly, but we
got really, really, really goodat what we do and it's turned
out to be very, very fun andamazing and we sold the majority
of our business in about a yearand a half ago.
So it worked out really reallywell.
The transition, though, mentally, was unique, because I'm like

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man, like I still want to bethere, you know, but I think
it's over.
I don't know, that was reallytough, just the, just the not
knowing.
Yes, I've never had a point inmy life where I just don't know,
but that was one of them.
So, uh, pest control was thefirst thing that fell into my
lap and we've been going eightyears and it's been awesome.
And there was a point where I'mlike I know how to do this

(23:07):
business thing.
At least I've shown on paperthat I can.
And if that's the case I hearthis a lot from my entrepreneur
buddies it is okay.
I've sort of proven myself thatI can make great money and have
an awesome business or sell abusiness, and I hear this a lot,
that it's.
I had this feeling too, whichwas well, now how can I take

(23:29):
that as well, and how can I takethat knowledge and do something
with a lot of impact in it aswell?
You know, what I mean andthat's sort of where the Flow
House story began is I got theconfidence from running a
business before, the confidenceof playing football at the
highest level.
What if I applied that tosomething that also has a ton of

(23:52):
impact for humans in the world,in our community, you know?
And so the transition was hairy.
It was weird.
I didn't know what I was doing.
I failed a lot, it was.

Speaker 2 (24:02):
Just how a lot of transitions can be.
Yeah, very rarely is it thislike sprinter?
I mean sprinting at theOlympics baton handoff?

Speaker 1 (24:09):
Oh, yeah, right, and I think, in a perfect world I
could have gone straight fromfootball straight.
Andy Reid and I had a goodrelationship.
I could have gone right intobeing like his you know know
right hand of some sort of workin his regime, but either way I
would have been bottom of thetotem pole.
I could have come back to bouand done you know color
commentary or done someinvolvement with media or even

(24:30):
coaching, but either way you'regoing back to sort of I got to
start over.
There was that part I was likethis is I'm kind of tired of
that yep I want to go from winto another win to another win,
um, and I think that's why youknow jumping to Flow House.
I think that's why Flow Househas been so exciting, because of

(24:50):
how fast it started.
There's a deep message behindit.
We're doing so much good andit's become super exciting for
me.

Speaker 2 (24:59):
Yeah, I mean I want to talk about how that all came
to be, because I know thatthere's, I mean, the story of
you going to Norway and meetingthe legend of Poland, because
there's obviously the story ofyou going to Poland and I mean
really diving deep into it andlearning more.
But we'd love to hear the kindof like the lead up to that and
that story Dude yeah, how are wedoing on time?

Speaker 1 (25:18):
You doing good.
Oh, we're great, doing fine.
All right, cool, yeah, so I'lldive into some of the stuff that
was happening in my life.
Of course, that's cool.
So I'm done playing football.
I just started this businessand my mom had just passed away.
It was 2017.
And so I'm like I've lost aperson, my mom, who gave me so

(25:41):
much confidence and she's beenmy best audience.
That's gone.
I'm now not playing officially.
I'm done playing football.
That's gone.
I'm now starting this newbusiness and I'm not very good
at it yet.
So that felt weird.
There's not be good atsomething in this new territory.
I listened to this podcast thatmy wife put me onto by Lewis
Howes, a big podcast.

(26:02):
I don't know if you know Lewis,but went to visit Lewis Howes
and he agreed to hang outbecause him and I had a very
similar life resume, from losinga parent at a young age to the
same injury in football, and ourlives aligned.
I said I want to get down thereand talk to you about how you
handle this transition, whatever.
So we hung out, for what wassupposed to be like a 30 minute

(26:22):
workout turned into us hangingout for like three, four hours,
cool, and just talking storiesand whatever.
And he's like I was sort ofjust venting to him like damn,
this is crazy to go through somuch like trough, like so much
valley.
I want, I want these peaksagain.
Anyways, I think he could telllike I needed a little shake up.
And so he's like, well, I'mgoing to visit Wim Hof I didn't

(26:43):
know who he was at the time,this is five years ago In Poland
with a bunch of buddies and I'mgiving this group together,
guys who I feel like either needthis message or have a great
voice to project this message ofWim Hof to the world.
And I said, you know, sightunseen.
I'm like, let's go, let's do it.
A couple months later I get atext from him saying we're going

(27:09):
to poland next month, you in.
So of course I said yes.
So we flew out to poland and Iwas.
We were all friends with lewis,who had a whim on his podcast
and when challenged him likebring all your buddies, like
let's get this, let's get thiswim hof practice back to america
, that was like the realprinciple of this cool 10
buddies are there.
Have you met many of thembefore, or is it just, I've met
zero, then Cool, and most ofthem I had never met each other
either.
But everyone knew Lewis as,like this nucleus Got it and
from sunup to sundown, dude, itwas just whim, freaking hoff

(27:32):
moments.
So we stayed at his what calleda cottage in Poland and we all
slept in cots.
No joke, there was this openfireplace that was not to
codeowing through the night,like, like, it was just we're in
the we're in the trees, dude,and um, but it was special.
Every morning was breath work.
Uh, we did the meditations, thesound baths, these really long,

(27:57):
extensive cold baths, hisbreathing techniques in the cold
, these long hikes, um, atnighttime we'd come back and, uh
, mike posner was there, themusician, oh yeah, mike's
amazing.
Mike was one of the guests thatknew lewis and he would
serenade us with his guitarevery night.
And what a treat it was.
It was really.
I was really cool, um, but thatwas every single day for seven

(28:17):
or eight days.
And the crowning event to thiswhole experience was we all did
this hike to the top of MountSznezka in Poland and there was
a rule that Wim said it's shortsand shoes and gloves only, no
shirt, no pants, and we're goingto hike the top of this

(28:40):
mountain.
It was like negative 20 degrees, insane.
But you're at the end of thistrip and you're like I've spent
time with this guy, wim Hof,who's helped me feel like
superhuman.
I'm holding my breath for threeminutes, I'm going in a cold
bath up to my neck for 10minutes, I'm jumping off cliffs
in the cold water.
I'm doing these meditations,all these new experiences that

(29:03):
allowed us to feel this sort ofsuperhuman depth.
And when you're on this hikewith Wim, you see this
60-something-year-old guy, wim,who's dressed just like us no
shirt, shorts, boots and gloves.
We hiked to the top of thismountain and we just felt like
we could do anything because ofbeing around him and his message
.
When we get to the top of thismountain, and I remember

(29:25):
grabbing Jesse and saying, withall the euphoria and the high in
my mind, like why did it take10 Americans to come all the way
from the States to Poland Justto learn how to get hot and cold
and breathe?
And I said let's do somethingabout it, let's bring this back

(29:49):
home and let's put this sort of,let's bottle this experience up
and bring it to our communityso people can have access to
this type of healing which, bythe way, it's so crazy.
Like you know, I used to takemy garbages to the curb in the
winter and think I was going todie.
And now we're like.
Now we're thinking we can.

(30:10):
Our minds are so piqued fromWilliam and like all his little
messages and we're thinking wecan do whatever.
And we did this four hour hikein negative temps and stayed
alive and had a smile on ourface.
And I'm like man, if you look,if you boil his message down is
get really hot in a sonic, getreally hot in a sonic, get

(30:32):
really cold, learn how tobreathe properly and you can
heal yourself and believe thingsabout yourself that were never
there.
He's the same guy that he hadlike 12 subjects who he taught
the Wim Hof method to, and then12 subjects he didn't.
He injected it.
It's like a science study.
I think he's in Denmark orsomething, but he injected all
of them with like the flu andthe people who he had taught the

(30:54):
Wim Hof methods to, zero out of12 got sick and all the people
who didn't even know anythingabout his message and methods
all got sick.
And so he's the guy that's likehealing people.
His message is amazing.
It's it's so basic, it's breathwork.
What state your mind is in inin hot and cold therapy?
It's so basic, it's breath work.
What state your mind is in inin hot and cold therapy?
It's so basic, dude, like it'sso basic.

(31:17):
And we just wanted jesse and Iwanted to make this, these basic
things, fun and cool and bringthem to our communities so
people can feel they'resuperhuman as well.

Speaker 2 (31:30):
Yeah, so between this experience that you have with
Wim Hof and Flow House starting,I mean how much time had passed
.
Five years, five years, okay.

Speaker 1 (31:38):
Because at first it was just like, yeah, let's do it
, let's do something about it.
And Jesse was busy with hisstuff, I still was running my
business.
We thought at first it was justgoing to be us selling actual
cold tub units and partneringwith Wim.
So we have some calls with histeam, with Wim's team and Jesse,
and we were going to actuallybuild a cold bath unit, sort of

(32:01):
like what Plunge is or you'veseen all these portable units.
We were going to do that.
That was the first yearconcepting that.
Then I did a tour of all thebest bathhouses in the country
and the world actually fromCanada to New York City, to
Portland, to freaking Dubai,mexico and then we said I really
like this community model,because this experience that we
did in Poland was like thiscommunity 15 people feel doing

(32:23):
this together.
I'm like this is truly thebrand, this is truly the story
that we're bringing back fromPoland is people doing this type
of healing together.
And this is truly the storythat we're bringing back from
Poland is people doing this typeof healing together.

Speaker 2 (32:38):
So, instead of doing a cold bath unit, let's build a
community style bathhouse whereit's a shared experience,
exactly like we had.
Yeah, I like how it's almostlike you take this, let's call
it NFL or college locker room,right, you have all these things
going on, but the thing thatbrings you together is coming
together.
End of the day.
I'm not saying you're doingcold baths and hot baths or in
sauna and breath, work together,but there's still this the
world is outside of there.
We're coming together to bringit all together, bond together,
have the shared experience.

(32:59):
And then now you have flowhouse, which is again like we
all have all our things going onin our life our craziness, the
ups and downs, the good, the bad, the ugly.
But then when you come together, you're like, hey, let's just
be present for a minute, let'sfocus on I mean just.
I mean being prepared mentally,being focused and like just
elevating people together.

Speaker 1 (33:19):
I did a session today for 12, 13 people, um, at flow
house.
That's where I came from and wedid this, uh, guided meditation
to some music.
It was an Odessa song, dude, itwas just special.
Man, like to get all thesealpha bros.
We're all laying down in asauna to play this music and to

(33:39):
put an intention behind it andin five minutes you're just
buzzing, like there's thisvibration raising state that
you're in where you no longerhave self doubt, you no longer
are scared to start thatbusiness.
Like you're just, you're justin full flow.

(34:02):
It was a five minute song andyou're feeling the rumbling
seats from the sauna.
You get your boys there who arein this group it was a company
and you're just like.
I feel like my peak self.
I feel like I'm going to walkout of this building and my
business will just be betterbecause of who I am.

(34:23):
And that's what's so excitingabout Flow House is it's real
man, the, the, the growth isreal, the stuff like since today
, the two owners of the company.
We did this meditation togetherand it was just like us talking
after.
It was like it was just so good, they just uh, it was just deep
impact and it was.

(34:44):
We sat in a sauna for 45minutes together, you know.
So it's, it's it's.
Flow House is first a messageand a feeling like the the flow,
house, flow, house, brick andmortar space is to get into the
feeling flow house is a feelingfirst.
Second, it's a community.
It's are we doing this enoughtogether to protect each other?
And then, thirdly, it's a space.

(35:05):
But you just go to the space toget into that peak state and
that's.
That's what we care about is,what is it doing to the human if
the human is vibrationallyaligned?

Speaker 2 (35:15):
look at what they're going to do in their community
yeah you know what I mean,totally and that's one thing I
mean when I went down last weekwith you because, again, like I
mean, cold plunges in sauna ingeneral are very, I mean, trendy
right now, and it's one thingto be like okay, cool, there's a
sauna, there's a hot bath, likeready set, go do whatever the
hell you want.
But when you bring in again theintentionality of feeling those

(35:35):
higher vibrations and feelingthat feeling of like I can go
conquer anything in the worldright now, yeah, I just got to
go do it because I mean so muchof us are always in our heads or
like have all these otherresponsibilities and other
things that we have to juggle,that it just gets in the way.
But then once you can just havelike a space and a place and
the right people, then you dofeel that and it is like it's I

(35:55):
mean it's tangible.
And also do you mean justhaving such like a beautiful
space that people do want to bethere and do you want to join.
And even when I was there therewas a guy yeah, I was in
charles, yeah, yeah, that shoutout I mean and like because,
like, every time I go into aplace like that sawn in general,
I'm like all right, like screwall of you guys like blinders up
and I'll do my thing, but itwas fun just like.
I mean charles, like oh, whatare you like, what do you do?
And then the next thing we knowhe's talking about how we just

(36:16):
retired her from california.
His friends are all I mean hisfamily's all here and like just
hearing kind of like what hispriorities are in life and and
so it's fun to have that andalso like the programming.
I think is a too, because Ithink a lot about community
right now as I'm trying to builda lot more of it with the
podcast and one thought thatI've had over the past week a
ton is like a lot of people willclaim community is, I mean,
it's another big buzzword rightnow.

(36:38):
But the biggest thing aboutcommunity is you have to show up
, like to be in the community.
You have to go, show up to thecommunity, you have to go to the
events, you have to be therefor people, and sometimes it's
hard for people to show up tosomething unless there's like a
reason and so to be like hey,like this place this time, this
is the program, these people arecoming, come join, yeah,
whereas if it's just like a gymmembership, it's like, yeah,

(36:59):
it's here whenever come join.
A lot harder to to feel that,especially to start a new habit
totally totally, totally,totally, and there's so many
places that are popping up.

Speaker 1 (37:09):
But there's a place called Sweat House.
Nothing but respect for them.
They're all over the countrynow, but it's individual rooms
and you go and just do your ownlittle thing by yourself in your
own individual room, like aSonic Hold Express, like get in
there, get my Sonic Hold head towork, you know, yeah, which is

(37:33):
cool.
And so I have nothing but loveand respect for anyone that's
putting health and wellness inthe world.
It's just that I think ourstory impacted us in a way where
it's community-based, it'sexperience-based.
And how do we bottle up thatWim Hof experience and put it
into an accessible hour longsession for people to go enjoy?
Now, it's not, by the way, it'slike no one comes in to do a

(37:55):
session of flowhouse.
Thinking about the story I hadwith Wim, it has nothing to do
with anybody.
I just think that that was ourattempt.
Is feeling first, feeling,feeling feeling and leading with
the post flowhouse feeling isokay.
Well, how do we get them tofeel that way?
Peak confidence, peak flow.
I just yeah, we know thefeeling.

(38:17):
You know it's the same feelingIf you're wondering what, like,
well, flow state is and peakflow.
The feeling is like, if you'rean athlete, it's like being in
the zone where you just can'tmiss that shot or you're just so
confident you're not thinkingabout anything else.
The the equivalent to being inthe zone as an athlete is to
being in flow state as a human.
You know, yeah, repeat,confidence.

(38:39):
You know everything's in thekind of runners high that
exactly so you just can't.
It's right there and that's whatwe want to make accessible to
to people is that shared guidedexperience?
And I actually think mostpeople talk about Flow House
wrong.
They'll describe Flow House asa sonic, cold bath space, and

(39:02):
they're dead accurate.
But in a perfect world it wouldbe oh yeah, flow House.
That's the space where you goto get in peak vibration.
They use music, they use aroma,they use sauna, they use cold
and now it's like not even asauna place.
It's just a box that usescertain elements the lighting,
music, aromas, classes, the heat, the cold to get you into the

(39:28):
feeling.

Speaker 2 (39:28):
Does that make sense?
Yeah, it's not no transactionanymore, but it's geared towards
finding the right outcome andusing the right tools to get.

Speaker 1 (39:34):
Exactly so.
That's in a perfect world.
That's what we become known foris oh yeah, that's a place you
get into flow state.
That's the place you go toraise your vibration and people
stop describing it as a toniccold which I don't tempt me with

(40:00):
a good time.

Speaker 2 (40:01):
I mean now that I've gone, like I get it and like I'm
always like that curmudgeonwhenever it's like, oh, I have
to go do this, I have to wake upearly, I've got to do that.
But then, once I get it, I'mlike like all right, all the
doubts out and I know, I knowhow to feel anymore.
Well, how was?
How was your experience there.

Speaker 1 (40:14):
Give me the oh yeah, like it was sickly honest.
You know you've sauna coldbefore.

Speaker 2 (40:19):
Yeah, and like I think I mean a couple of things
because, like I usually so I'm amember shower, like I want to
put a cold dungeon but they have, so usually a cold shower cycle
with sauna, and it's usuallyjust me and myself like in my
thoughts doing whatever, whichis good, but it's amazing.
But it was fun with flow houseto have a that intentionality

(40:40):
behind it and also just kind ofget out of my own typical spaces
, because I think there'ssomething that when you take
your like can remove yourselffrom your typical humdrum of
life and plop yourself in a newspace like hey, like new
experience, new place, likementally refocus, you know.
Then I also like, because I'm abig I mean quote vibes guy,
unquote and so if I walk into aspace and I'm like I don't

(41:02):
really like, I feel like I'm ina hospital, I don't like this.
Like there was a place I wentto semi recently that it was uh,
you know, like that, like thisis this isn't it, which is fine,
like, do your thing andeverything.
I mean it's expensive to buildout spaces, but when it's done
right, it's done right, and soif there's a place where I can
feel like I have not necessarilylike the permission to do it,
but I feel like I can do itthere and not have, like these

(41:22):
other voices of like do I wantto be here?
Like, yeah, that kind of takesme out of it, but, like, the
more I can feel in, it is great.
Um, so I do like, and I alsojust love like the community
aspect of it because, like a,there's an accountability piece
of it because, again, like, Ican go hop in the cold shower,
be like all right, I'm gonna bein this for two minutes and the
next thing I'm like oh, you know, it's 130, 145.
Yeah, we're round up, let's goback.

(41:43):
But then when you're likesitting next to someone, it's
like all right, three minutes,we're in there and like I'm not
going to be the first one to getup.
If I'm next to this guy, that'sthree minutes.
Um, but that's like again, likethat's how you elevate each
other and get to that.
That higher vibration is youhold that accountability, have
that space and then also justbeing able to be like oh cool,
we just did something, eitherunique, hard, difficult, or also

(42:04):
just because you're forced tobe so present that it's so much
easier to connect with theperson next to you, because
you're both right there, yeah.
So I think, like again, anddoing a cold sauna isn't bad,
it's good but there's like thisother level that brings people
and personalities because, likeagain, like anything that's ever
happened that's good.
In my life and in all theepisodes that I've recorded, no

(42:26):
one's ever done it alone, likeno one's ever had this amazing
life that they're just like ohyeah, no, no, I did everything
alone, didn't need anybody.
And so I think, the more thatwe can remember that and bring
in the right people and bring itand find that right community,
then, like, you're always goingto be better off straight up,
introvert, extrovert, whatever,like it's it's always going to
be the right people that get youto that place.

Speaker 1 (42:46):
And, dude, I also realize that like I, we could
have started a sweat house.
That's the place as theindividual rooms.
I could have started a businesslike that and it would have
done a lot of good and maybeeven been easier.
Frankly, like buildingcommunity is not like it's.
You have to, you have to put inwork, um, but I just realized
I'm like wait, what do I like todo?
I'm like, wait, no, build up.

(43:08):
Build a 100 person sauna.
Like let's build the world'sbiggest cold bath.
Like it's like.
Like I want the, I wantcommunity.
I want friends.
I want I want my best friends,companies, to come in here and
use this space.
Like I want community.
I want to see someone I loveall the way on the other side of
the sauna.
That like point out, but that'swhat I want, that's like that's
actually me, and so to have abusiness that's like a direct

(43:32):
sort of a offshoot from like whoyou are and what you like,
that's really fun to be a partof.
That's what I get to do everyday.

Speaker 2 (43:38):
Like, imagine if you did your experience in Poland
with Wim Hof and just there wasno other buddy else with you, as
either just you and him or justyou alone, it probably wouldn't
have been.
I'd be kind of sick.
It would be sick Like you andyou, it wouldn't all would be
sick.
But like to have those peopleexactly is is is great and like
in the same thing with with flowhouse and having more people
there and having that experiencetogether Cause I mean, I kind

(44:01):
of always just takes me back tolike that locker room in college
and football ball of like it'seasier to go through it together
and especially like thatconsistency, because, again, if
you go into the sauna, you seethe guy over there.
Like, oh, last time we were hereyou were talking about how you
wanted to do that project, howdid it go?
He's like dude, it's been goingsuper well.
It didn't work out with thisand I'm doing that and like I
wanted to show you about it.
And again, like you start tounderstand people intimately

(44:25):
because it's very cold and, yeah, he keeps seeing people in the
same places and you start askingmore questions and get to know
people better.
Yeah, and that's when even moremagic happens of the community
on top of it, right up dude.

Speaker 1 (44:36):
Um, yeah, and there's gonna also be people that are
just like you know what, not mything.
The community, community aspectof it's not my thing.
That's totally fine.
But in business you don't getthe chance to solve every
problem.
You just get to solve one,maybe two, and the one that
we're solving is the chronicstress too many people with

(44:59):
anxieties, too much lonelinesspost COVID and lack of community
.
That's why, like why are weseeing so many running clubs pop
up?
It's not because they're allmaking money and they're
crushing it.
It's because a bunch of peoplewanted more community.
So run clubs popped up out of anatural need for more community

(45:20):
.
You know, totally Men's groups,women's groups, like
communities sort of screamingback.
And that's the problem that wewanted to solve at Flow House
was making it community-based.

Speaker 2 (45:31):
Totally.
You know what I mean and I lovethat.
Like on the topic of communityand using run clubs and other
things as examples, like thecommunities we had pre-COVID
were almost just like spoon-fedto us and not really an
intentional way of doing it,Because a lot of it was I mean,
especially in my life before.
It was a lot of work becausethere's an office and everything
, and especially when I lived inseattle, both me and my partner

(45:53):
at the time are the people wespend the most time with.
Are people from work, becausewe weren't from there.
That's the most people that wemet.
Yeah and like, which is like,sure, it's intentional, I'm
spent like wanting to spend timewith them and I'm calling them,
but it's not like.
I'm like, oh wait, are we doingthis because we're just in the
same place and kind of samestage of life or do we actually
have shared values, sharedexperiences, shared um hobbies
and activities that we want todo?
And I think now people are beinga lot more intentional, a lot

(46:15):
more present, of saying like, oh, like, I do like to run, I do
want to be around like-mindedpeople that want to do that, and
those are the communities thatI want to build, compared to
just saying like, oh yeah,here's what's happening, here's
what's around me, let's do this.
Yeah.
And so in the same way, likecool, like I do want to have a
community of people who do wantto be present, be mentally
resilient and strong, and peoplethat do want to experience,

(46:37):
live, love, yeah, exactly.
And like that's one thing I'verealized in my life with people
is like I can't.
I do a lot better with peoplewho are participating in life,
like I can't do.
The people who just like throwstones from their glass house
all day, yeah, dude, never liketake a risk on themselves, never
champion themselves, just kindof clock in and clock out of
whatever their day is.
Like again, like everybody hasthings that they need to do,

(46:57):
everybody has things thatthey're going through and like
do it.
But like my people are thepeople who show up in their life
and want to have their life andintentionally live the thing
that they want to.

Speaker 1 (47:06):
Yeah, straight up it.
Yeah, straight up it's uh, yeah,community takes time.
Uh, because it's real.
You know, it's not a mirage,like a lot of followers isn't
necessarily a community.
A lot of people knowing youisn't isn't a community.
So community truly takes time,like we've had, you know, five

(47:27):
people join this week toactually be a member.
We've had, you know, plenty ofpeople come Um, but those people
it'll take time for them toconnect with the other members
and the other people and build,like, this strong relationship.
So community takes time andit's the we're okay taking that
time, like we're okay with itbeing like.
Uh, like the easiest thing forus to do would have been

(47:47):
building a space with eightindividual rooms and eight
individual saunas and cold baths, because you don't have to
build a community, yeah, at all.
Just put a schedule online.
Okay, here you go.
It's easier.
But now we're throwing eventsso people can meet outside the
space, because that's truly whatwe're about.
But that is what we're doing isbuilding I don't say it lightly

(48:11):
because it's not easy, but it'sbuilding a community where
people know each other, theycare about each other and they
and they, they literally protecteach other.
Yeah, they don't know thatthey're protecting each other,
but they literally do becauseyou're protecting each other's
mentals.
And into Flow House 2, peopleopen up to you a lot.
You have more oxytocin whenyou're sitting in a sauna and

(48:35):
after a cold bath.
You have so much oxytocin inyour brain serotonin, dopamine
but oxytocin specifically iscalled the trust drug.
Serotonin is the love drug, soyou feel symptoms of love.
So when I have oxytocin andserotonin present like what a
better way to meet someone whereI instantly just trust you I'm

(48:55):
more trusting because I haveoxytocin going on.
So I'm just going to trust youfor no reason.
I'm just going to and I'm alsogoing to have a lot of love and
sympathy for you, even though Idon't know you, because it's
just present in my mind.
And so conversations go a reallycool place because you have
those happy chemicals in yourmind to allow it to go somewhere

(49:16):
.
And then you add some music,you add something guided to it
and it becomes this sort oforchestrated experience and we
call the pre and post feeling.
At Flow House people come indifferent moods but everyone
always leaves with that sameFlow House mood afterwards.
It's so cool because everyonehas the same chemicals present.

(49:39):
They have the dopamine, theyhave the serotonin, they have
the oxytocin.
So there's more high fives,there's more hugs, there's more
laughs, there's more giggles,there's more long-winded answers
and conversations, becausepeople are just letting it out
because they have the chemicalspresent.
Yeah, I mean.
So that is.
That's been the funnest thingto see.

Speaker 2 (49:56):
Cool, no, and I love it too because like, obviously
the first location for now isdown in pleasant grove, you're
in lehigh, but I mean I'mcurious of so you have these
experiences of um, collegefootball, nfl, uh, starting a
business in this.
But was there ever a party thatwas like, hey, maybe we take
this back to Portland or was italways going to be here in Utah?
You mean just business ingeneral, that, and that.

Speaker 1 (50:18):
And Flow House specifically, flow House,
specifically, dude, I want to bein Portland, so bad.
I hope we're.
I hope we're in Portland in thenext two years Cool, I do.
Uh, cause, part of the brandstory is um, let's bring this
back to our communities.
And so, jesse, it still livesin Atlanta, georgia, so I want
to get one there.
He's from New York City, sowe've already talked about
putting one there and I want toget one to serve my community

(50:43):
and people back in Oregon.
Cool, but I went to Boston.
I was in Boston yesterday, butthe day I got there, every city
I go to, I always look up saunasnear me, naturally, naturally.
And there was like nothing.
It's one of the oldest citiesin America and there was nothing
.
Like I was just bothered by it.
I'm like what the hell?

(51:05):
We ended up finding a place thatwas brand new, it just opened,
but even then it was hard toeven access the sauna, so we did
a steam room instead.
There was a bunch of individualroom places you could go to and
I'm like, wait a minute, wait aminute, I'm talking to places
downtown.
That is like it's a derivativeof the city, of the culture
Sorry, the culture of the cityLike you can.

(51:27):
It's made for Boston.
It's a place for people to gosauna and connect and it brings
the city together.
There was just nothing.
So I'm like let's go, let'sbring this back home to Portland
, let's go to Boston.
Now there's a business planthat very much is finances
matter, you know.
But I want to get there becausethe message wants to get there.

Speaker 2 (51:47):
Yeah, no, I love that .
I mean, especially, if you'repassionate about something, then
you want to bring it to peopleyou care about.
And you want to bring it topeople in general Because, like,
it's one thing to have your ownpersonal belief in your
experiences, like, oh, this haschanged my life, changed my
mentality, changed myperspective, but then, once you
believe it enough, then you justwant to evangelize it to
everybody.

Speaker 1 (52:14):
And as soon as you have the space and see people go
through the same experiencelike I, want everybody to
experience that straight up.
Yeah, and that's where.
That's where we're at now.
That's where right now is howcan we get this to the most
people as possible?
How can we connect?
How can we have an outlet inevery major city where flow
house is accessible and, uh, itcan do the good that we wanted
to, you know, yeah, uh, I mean Ihope I'm not coming across like
we're going to save the world,as if we're like some.
I want to do my part.

(52:36):
I want to give people places tofeel that peak vibration.
Yeah, I just want to make thataccessible, you know, and get as
many people in as possible, andwe've seen some good impact
already from our first location.
We've been open a month, dude,five weeks, maybe six, so it's
so new, but it's just veryexciting to give people that

(52:58):
space.
Man, yeah, you know.

Speaker 2 (53:01):
Exactly, it's all we need A space and a place to do
the right thing, and people arelooking for it and, just like
your experience in Boston, it'snot as easy to find as people
would In your home.

Speaker 1 (53:13):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, people in every do.
Yeah, it's very accessiblethere and I want that here.
I'm excited to do it.
You know, someone's got it.
Someone's got to freaking do it, you know.
Tell me about.
Your viewers, though, are uh,have you guys done a lot of
health and wellness collabs have?
Have you guys done a lot ofhealth and wellness collabs,
have you?

Speaker 2 (53:28):
guys done a lot of health and wellness, trying to
do more, because that'ssomething that's always priority
for me, because I contemplateddoing a run club but there's so
many run clubs I'm like I don'twant to throw another wrench
into that, but it is very healthand wellness conscious, a lot
of athletic people, a lot ofpeople who just resonate with

(53:50):
that a lot more, and so I thinkit's something that people would
want, cause I know that there'slike a lot of things similar
that are happening, but I don'tthink anything's hitting like
like scratching that itch quitethe way that it should be.
Like I have a friend who'strying to do, I mean, a similar
concept in LA and he's had tokind of pause it because of some
other life stuff, and like he'slike it was funny Cause, like I
, he had to kind of pause itbecause of some other life stuff

(54:11):
, and like he's like it wasfunny because like I, he, we, we
got together when he was intown last and he told me like
yeah, like I totally get it,like good luck, and then then
you'd reach down.
I was like oh, like finallylike someone's doing it right,
and I even messaged him like oh,have you heard of flow house.
He's like, yeah, he's like,honestly, if everybody who's
doing it, they're doing it themost right, cool, and so it was
like the most validation Ineeded from it.
But, yeah, I think there's acommunity aspect around mental

(54:34):
health wellness that I'm tryingto find the right angle into and
do it right.

Speaker 1 (54:40):
What do you care about most in the podcast?
Like I know, yours is veryinformation based, letting
people know what's in UtahCounty.
Sorry, utah in general, saltLake County, um, but as it
turned into more than that likeand that's been like good, great
question.

Speaker 2 (54:56):
So the goal?
So last year the goal ispodcast, make something
entertaining, made somethingpeople feel like they know what
more, what's going on andconnected with this, the space
that we all live and share in.
And then this year the wholegoal is building community out
of it, finding the right events,finding the right places, the
right partners to bring peopletogether.

Speaker 1 (55:16):
But why, though?
I'm glad you're going thatdirection, but why?
Why that heaven?

Speaker 2 (55:19):
So the conversation I have the most with people is I
don't know how to meet newpeople, I don't want to go out
to the bars more, I hate datingapps and I don't know how to
make new friends.
And so, and again'm going tolike the examples I talked about
a community of like it's morethan a space, it's more activity
, but it has to be like somesort of thing of a specific time

(55:41):
, specific place, specificpeople that people resonate with
more.
And you see that in so manydifferent aspects.
I mean even like restaurantsand food and beverage.
You see how many restaurantsare throwing these curated
nights or special menus or popups, and you see it everywhere
where people do want like areason to go to a place at a
certain time.
Otherwise they usually justwon't.

(56:01):
And so trying to find this sweetspot of what people want to do
in the right way.
And so there's there's likeideas of mental health, you know
, just health and wellness ingeneral.
There's things of I mean justsocial experiences and like we
had a game night at HK Brewing.
That was really fun.
We're having this weekend we'redoing a bikes and brews tour
and a couple breweries aroundSalt Lake and biking is like 75
degrees and nice, and so thoseusually go well, but also just

(56:25):
making sure that have the rightprogramming that can appeal to
that.
There's something for everybodyif they want it that's cool.

Speaker 1 (56:34):
So turn just entertainment information based
like wait a minute, it soundslike you kept your ear to the
ground almost and we're like yo,this is actually a need in my
podcast can sort of fill thatneed exactly.
That's cool.
I mean that that gave you morework.
Like building communities likeit's, it's uh, that's not easy

(56:56):
no communication with everybody.
It's what, what people like,how do I serve them, which takes
a lot of brain space, doesn'tyou know?

Speaker 2 (57:03):
a lot of trial, a lot of failure, a lot of
vulnerability, but again, like I, solving problems and helping
people improve their lives is alot harder than people think.
It is.
Um, and it again to your pointit's work, like, but it's so fun
when work becomes somethingthat you want to do and it
motivates you instead of justlike, oh, I have to clock in

(57:23):
again, I hate my boss and Idon't even know if I like what I
do does it really make my lifebetter?
And so so I would say like themore that it it definitely like,
aligns with my values, and likethe more that I've gotten to
know so many people and likejust know all of these random
little details and tidbits of, Imean, the entire area, and I've
gotten to know so many amazingpeople that like that experience

(57:43):
that I feel and helps me feelso much more close to the city,
the people, more close to thecity, the people.
If I can give people a littledrop of that experience, then
even better.
Where they can feel like theirneighborhood, their place that
they live in is their home andnot just a place where they park
their car and sleep.

Speaker 1 (57:59):
Yeah, straight up, dude, I have a random question.
It's just like.
It's like rhetorical almost,but like so many people say,
like us, like we say the words,so many people need community,
it is true, like it's so true,but nobody acts like they need
community.
Yeah, is that a question?

(58:21):
Is that, is that comment orslash question makes sense?
And like I want to know why,like you meet someone I mean
it's a say, it's, it's likemental health almost.
Yeah, I could talk to someoneand on the front, on the outside
, they're the happiest person Iknow.
You look behind the scenes,though, like they're severely
depressed or anxious or whatever.
And I heard that, you know,maybe from a friend or something
.
I'm like wait, that guy, thatguy, like he's the happiest guy

(58:43):
I know, but for whatever reason,like I don't go about my day
and be like, yeah, this personneeds community, this person
needs community.
Like, but everyone does.
Yeah, every freaking persondoes.
But I think we're such ego is agreat thing, but I think a lot
of us, and myself included, areso ego forward and ego forward

(59:06):
facing.
We're like, when we're talkingto someone, we got to make it
seem like we're good.

Speaker 2 (59:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (59:11):
At all costs.
You know what I'm saying.
Like I got to make it yeah, Igot to make it seem like the
business is good, my family'sgood, Everyone's good, but then
if you look behind the curtainyou're like that's not actually
what's happening Totally, and sothat was just a random thought.
That came to my mind is likepeople aren't screaming for
community, because I think it'syou're supposed to put on a
front as a human like I'm good,I'm good, I'm good, I'm good,

(59:32):
I'm good.
But what I've noticed is like,even like the strongest people I
know on paper, they'll come toFlow House and they're like man,
I need this community.
I'm like you, You've alwaysbeen good Totally, you have all
the business connection in theworld.

Speaker 2 (59:47):
But like uh, I don't know, even know why I said that
but it's like, on that note,like I think, because like
community is of such like acommonly used word that a lot of
people I mean, when you pushthem on, like what does
community mean?
Like I don't know, like mypeople, I guess, like okay, so
what does that mean?
Like your people, like who arethey?
What does that feel?
And like a big thing for me istrust, because, um, when I think

(01:00:07):
of you, I'm using an example oflike oh yeah, yeah, business is
fine, family's great, I'm doingawesome, but in their head
they're like actually never beenworse.
That happens in almost everyinteraction.
Totally, I was going to give youthe and that's inherently part
of the problem.
It is why we need a quote oncommunity, because everybody
needs people in their life thatthey can be brutally honest with
and tell them exactly what'sgoing on.

(01:00:27):
Otherwise, it's just going tosit there, it's going to spew,
it's going to be caught up inthere.
Because, like one quote I sawthe other day that I really
liked, that I've mentioned, isthe opposite of depression isn't
happiness, it's expression.
And so, like for me, like onething that I've done over the
past few years that's helped alot, is painting, because it
helps me express myself.
It gets my brain in acompletely different way.

(01:00:47):
Let me see some paintings.
I can show you a lot.
But like and that's been a bigone but then also realizing that
everything you need to do needsto be inwardly gratifying, not
externally gratifying.
So it's like that voice you'retalking about, of like, oh yeah,
everything's fine, everything'sgreat.
Like, do you look howeverything awesome is?
Cause they're so motivated byyou seeing them as a positive

(01:01:08):
person.
Instead of I want you to see mehappier, I want you to see me
succeed the way I want tosucceed, not the way that I
think you want me to succeed.
And so there's also part of that.
That is this process of like,knowing who you are, your values
, what you want and what ittakes Cause like, the thing that
I think of a lot is like Idon't think anybody cares about
what I do.
That's fine, but I do.

(01:01:29):
And if I don't care, then noone else is ever even going to
care, even if it's somethingthat's going to be for them.
And another one of theconversations I have with a lot
of people on top of the don'tknow how to be people don't know
what to do, is.
I followed everything peopletold me to do.
I went to school, I got married, I had kids, I got the job, I

(01:01:49):
doing the career path.
But here I am now, in like myearly or mid thirties or even
younger or older, and I don'tlike this and I don't know who I
am.
I don't know what makes mehappy and like similar to
community.
It's like takes time, but likethere's this process of getting
to know yourself and actuallywhat truly does make you happy,
what you do want to do.
And once you you do that, thenit kind of goes into the example

(01:02:11):
I use of like a run club whereyou're like, oh, actually I do
love spending time with peoplerunning, I do like being outside
, I do like people who thinklike-minded like this and have
this endurance, like mentality,and I want to be around that.
But that also takes yourealizing that you want that too
, not just joining the run clubbecause there's a bunch of cute
girls there that are running inshort shorts.
So it's like this inverseprocess of you have to know

(01:02:33):
yourself, to know what you need,and then, once you do that,
then you bring in the rightpeople and if you're the right
people, then like, actually it'staking one more step back.
When you know who you are, knowwhat you're good at, then
you're doing that veryintentionally, and when you're
being yourself, that's the bestthing that you can ever be.
Whenever you're faking anything,you're never going to be as

(01:02:55):
good as what you're actuallyinherently inside, like meant to
do.
And then once, the more you dothat, the more you get better at
it, which builds thisconfidence.
And then it surrounds you withthe right people who then like,
perpetuate that even more.
And then all of a sudden,there's this confidence and
value and growth that just keepsthis flywheel going and going
and going.
And so that's one thing.
I mean.
It's taken time of probably thepast like four or five years to

(01:03:17):
really get to a point where I'mlike, oh my God, like things
are working out, because I knowwhat I wanted to do and I know
what I had to do to make it workout Straight up.

Speaker 1 (01:03:27):
Yeah, I like that.
I can tell you thought aboutthat one for sure.
To add something, come to mewhen you were talking, like, if
you want to have a reallysuccessful career or business,
listen to every mentor, ask thequestions, do the normal path to

(01:03:50):
get there the college, theinternship, like whatever right,
listen to everybody.
If you want a good career andyou want a good business, listen
to everyone who's gone beforeyou and done it.
But if you want a successfullife, sometimes it means
listening to nobody.
You know what I'm saying yeahto nobody.

(01:04:13):
You know what I'm saying yeahBecause, like, I was a product
of a system and I'm so glad Iwas, because I wanted to be good
at football, so I jumped intothe football system that had
taught me when to wake up, whatto eat, how hard to work and how
to play football in high school, college, nfl, right.
So listening to other people,the guys who've gone before me,
was the exact thing I shouldhave done, because I think you
should listen to more often thanyourself.
When you know, listen to amentor, listen to someone who's

(01:04:36):
gone before you and done it.
But if you want a successfullife, like a lot of times, it
means listening to nobody.
What I mean by that is likecorrelation is not always
causation, and so like if youthink the happiness to life
because you see happy parents islike, okay, they got married at
21.
My dad finished school, he wenton to get his master's here and

(01:05:00):
then he went and got a job here, and so in maybe a youthful
mind you'll say, okay, they'rehappy, they got married at this
time.
He went to this career, so Ishould be happy as well.
But that also sounds crazybecause that's not the truth.
Like if I went into the samecareer my dad or some of my
friends' dads did, I would bevery unhappy, right.
And so I think I don't know whyI'm saying this, but I'm saying

(01:05:23):
it because it's kind of flowingout.
But like, if you want to havean insanely successful career,
go find someone who's had thatinsanely successful career and
just follow that roadmap.
But I think, especially in Utah,you get a lot of the trends
that happen Married, young kids,young.
They seem happy, they got thisgreat job.
Let me go do that.
And then you realize you'relike wait a minute, who the hell

(01:05:44):
am I?
I didn't make those decisions,I was just copying someone else
and that's probably called amidlife crisis.
You know where they're like,what is going on.
I think we're more consciousnow.
Our midlife crisis is sort ofhappening like in the early in
our early thirties now, with howfast information travels, uh,
with social media and everything, but like that I don't know.
I don't know why I'm sayingthis, but I think, just based on

(01:06:06):
what you said, like we just saw, like career listen to
everybody If you want a lifethat you're like.
I chose to do that, I chosethat.
I chose that.
I chose that that requireslistening to nobody.

Speaker 2 (01:06:15):
but just yourself.
And there's like one of my petpeeves that people ask about or
like talk about.
It was like, oh, like, what'syour morning routine?
What do you do?
I'm like my morning routine ispersonalized for me because
that's what I need with this,and so many people are like, oh,
I need the formula to be happy,I need the formula for success.
I need the formula for thisBecause we've grown up in this
world, as I mean being in like34, like younger millennial, and

(01:06:37):
even everybody can relate to itat some extent.
Like the world we're in today islike oh, spotify will tell you
what to listen to.
Instagram will tell you what tolike, the television will tell
you.
Like, we're always being told.
We've grown this concept oflike oh, just tell me what to do
and I'll do it.
Like, just like, even likefriends, like, oh, like I
graduated from college, liketell me what I need to do.
I'm like no, like you need totell yourself what's right, yeah
, or else you're just going toend up in this place.

(01:06:58):
That isn't your own journey,it's someone else's and it's
like it's.
And again, going back to theexample of like how I think
about podcast interviews, oflike a walk in the woods like,
sure, have plan, but keep yourhead on a swivel because there's
going to be opportunities tocome.
There's going to be things that, through your inner voice, like
, hey, you actually don't likedoing this, yeah.
And so listen to yourself andlike because, yeah, you could
have a great career as anaccountant and go get your

(01:07:18):
master's and go to your CPA andgo do all that.
But you might find out that youactually want to, I mean, do
something completely differentthat you never would have
thought of.

Speaker 1 (01:07:27):
Yeah, that you never would have thought of.
Yeah, dude, oh dude, do youwant to hear something called
the celery test?
Yes, okay, I don't know whyit's called the celery test, but
it is.
But it's on this very topic andit's one of my favorite
examples.
I teach it all the time.
Have I teed it up nicely?
Yes, oh yeah.
Have you ever heard of Zappos?

Speaker 2 (01:07:45):
shoes, of course, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:07:46):
I think they were bought by Amazon for like a
billion dollars.
Tony Hsieh was their CEO.
Rest in peace.
He passed away Kind of crazy,but he was their CEO and they
were known for one thing, whichis world's best customer service
.
And I even had buddies thatwould go down for like these

(01:08:09):
culture tours of Zappos just tosee how they were doing it and
they how to be business owners,cause they had the world's best
customer service, like that'swhat they're known for.
Um, anyways, uh, their, theirbrand scaled quickly.
They sold for a billion dollars.
Their CEO was like, I think,pretty young at the time, um,
and he was interviewed causepeople wanted to know, like how
are you doing this?
You know, and he wasinterviewed and, um, the person
interviewing him was like so howdo you get this amazing culture

(01:08:32):
?
How do you do it?
Tell us.
And he's like Tony Hsieh, theCEO of Zappos was like you know,
we got the fridges are stocked.
We got snacks for our employeesto come and snack on the kitchen
, you know.
We got ping pong tables.
We got those People are playingthose.
You know, we just have a greatculture and we care about each

(01:08:56):
other and gave some like sort oflike generic answer Dude, what
do you think happened across?

Speaker 2 (01:09:04):
the country with ping pong tables and snacks in your
kitchen nationwide, Like techcompanies.
Costco blew up and everybodythen there's seven fridges.

Speaker 1 (01:09:08):
Now there's food everywhere and everyone about a
ping pong table, like nationalping table sales, literally.
Like you saw an uptick.
Yeah, you know what I mean,because the guy who has this
crazy awesome business, he saidthat's what he said.
He said food in the kitchen andping pong tables.
Maybe we should give it a shottoo.
Yeah, and our culture would bejust like theirs.

(01:09:30):
Dude, if you say that out loud,that's the dumbest comment I've
ever said.
But food and ping pong, that'sgoing to save the world, but
like that's called not trustingyour intuition, right, yeah, and
so I think, I think, I thinkand I've learned this from so
many cool people but when I readthis celery test which means
every time you hear information,celery test it Is that really

(01:09:52):
going to help or is that just awaste of money to buy a paper on
the table?
Yeah, you know, but Tony Hsiehsaid it still Like I'm going to
filter what he said and saidthat's not going to help us.
That is a special moment to beable to take in information and
then filter it because you knowwhat's right for your business.
I mean, how many people liketheir whole day is scrolling and

(01:10:15):
they have, you know, andyElliott screaming at him through
the phone, or Hormozy givinghim information, or Gary Vee or
whatever.
So they're being told, told,told, told, told and they
actually, they, actually, theycompletely forget that they have
insanely cool intuition.
Like insanely cool intuition.
And I think this is back tolike.

(01:10:36):
The life thing is like my.
I don't even have advice.
I don't really have advice ever, but like my.
What I think I've done is I'vereally started to lean into my
intuition.
And if the outcome is weird ordifferent than the normal path,
who cares?
I'm doing it.
If my morning routine looks waydifferent than the most
successful guy in America, whocares?
I'm doing it because that'swhat I want to do and I don't

(01:10:58):
think that's like an ego thing,it's just like what if I trusted
the most important person Ishould trust, which is me?
Like what if I just trusted himthat he's going to get it there
?
What if I read books so I canlearn nuggets?
But what if every sentence Iread in the book from the greats
, I sellery test and say is thisgoing to apply to me?
Yeah, yeah, but Mitch, itshould.
It's the billionaire he'sgiving you advice Maybe.

(01:11:19):
My business partner at FlowHouse is a billionaire, jesse
Itzler.
Him and his wife arebillionaires.
There's been times where hesaid stuff to me about what we
should do at Full House and I'mlike nah, like nah.
But most of the time I'm likeokay, yeah, you're right, like
whatever you say is probablygoing to be the right thing, but
like, just imagine, imagineonly listening to what's your

(01:11:41):
morning routine.
Okay, I'm going to apply that.
What are you doing throughoutthe day?
I'm going to apply that.

Speaker 2 (01:11:48):
And so many people hear, live in this world where
you see people with an airpod intheir ear all the time, but
very rarely do they take thetime to take off the airpod and
think about what they justlisten to and apply it to
themselves.
So it's usually just like thisin and out, without this black
box of thinking about it.
And because, again, it has tobe personalized no one is
amazing at everything.
There's no one in my life I gothrough, I go to for every

(01:12:09):
single point of advice, and soto know people's strengths, know
people's weaknesses and playinto it is also part of like
again, building that.
I wouldn't say community onthat part, but like, maybe like
the right network, yeah, havingthose right people, because,
like again, there's peopleyou're going to go to like with
Jesse and ask him, but there'sprobably things you're not going
to go to Jesse for, no matterhow much money he had.

Speaker 1 (01:12:27):
Maybe, yeah, and look he's got, he's man.
That dude has got some greatnuggets and thoughts and I've
learned so much from him.
Oh my gosh, it's amazing.
But I think everyone shouldhave the strength to be like you
know, nah, mom and dad, likeI'm now 22 years old, I don't
have to get married, yeah, andthat's a sign of strength.
Yes, you know what, like youknow what I, I uh, thanks for

(01:12:59):
that promotion.
But you know what?
Like I, actually I'm actuallygood, I actually wanted to step
down and go laterally and beover here, like you know, just
cause someone's your boss,someone's your parents, um,
someone's your mentor, whatever,like, make sure that every bit
of information has to go throughyour intuition filter first.
Yes, you know what I meanTotally, and that's strength.
Man, that's so much.
I mean you trust yourself.
Your body is going to tell youto do a lot of things If you

(01:13:21):
believe in God.
I do.
Like God's going to tell you alot.
So, like, make sure thateverything you learn goes
through that filter.
Man, you know what I mean.
And then, when you know what'sbeen spit out after your
intuition filter, you got abusiness that you love and you
know fits you to a T.
You're going to lead well, man.
You're going to lead with somepassion and you're going to live

(01:13:41):
a passionate life because youknow it came through you first.

Speaker 2 (01:13:44):
Well, Mitch, I want to end with the two questions I
always ask everybody at the endof every episode is, first, if
you could have someone on theSmall Lake City podcast and hear
more about their story and whatthey're up to, who would you
want to hear from?

Speaker 1 (01:13:57):
Jeremy Andrus Traeger CEO.
All right, yeah you mean foryou to interview.
Oh yeah, oh, he's my one of one.
He's actually the only person Itake.
Every single thing he says I do, he's my one of one, he, I do,
he's like he's.
He's my one of one.
He's.
He's on our board at Flow House.
But Jeremy Andrews, the CEO ofTraeger, he's a one of one CEO,
one of one human father.
Oh my gosh, he's a and Traegeris a.

Speaker 2 (01:14:21):
It's embedded in the Salt Lake brand now.
It's so like Traeger has beencause A.
The story of just like with him, with Traeger being like oh,
here's this brand, that's likekind of failing and not doing
great.
I'm going to take and make itsomething amazing.
And all of a sudden you're like, yeah, like it is now a thing
Like I never knew what a smokerwas.
And then now all of a sudden,every single one of my friends
has it.

Speaker 1 (01:14:38):
They have a billion dollar brand.

Speaker 2 (01:14:39):
Yeah, and now it's fun to see, like their office
that they have down at PostDistrict and it's this amazing
space and so it's like again.
It's like you never would havethought.
Let's see that probably beenlike 10, 12, 13 years ago.
It's like 20 years ago.
Yeah, Like the thing that'sgoing to bring a ton of people
and something together is thislike smoker, Like what the
hell's wrong with you?

Speaker 1 (01:14:56):
It's because he's got a great.
He's got a great.
Why, like?
Their tagline at Traeger is notlet's, let's smoke meat.
Their tagline is we're going touse our grills, our product, to
bring families and friendstogether like never before.
Yeah, like from like theirmission statement, which I
probably just botched.
From that alone, you're like oh, I support these guys.

(01:15:18):
Yeah, I support them.
Cool, you know what I mean.
So that's my one and onlyanswer, even though there's a
lot of great ones.
First answer.

Speaker 2 (01:15:26):
Deal.
And then, lastly, if peoplewant to find more information
about you, about Flow House, orcome catch a flow, what's the
best place to find information?

Speaker 1 (01:15:36):
Flow House F-L-O-W-H-A-U-S dot U -S.
So flowhouseus is the website,Download the Flow House app and
you can see our schedule.
So we have guided flows,non-guided flows at Flow House,
like a stretch class, meditationclass, or it's just open for
you to go and do your own thing.
So, website or the app, andthen follow us on social, which

(01:15:58):
is just at Flow House.
That's it, man.
Come try out Flow.
It is insane, it's amazing,it's special.
I've already talked about itenough, but come try a Flow and
let us know when you're coming.
It's 18 bucks for your first.
If you've never been before,it's 18 bucks for your first
session.
Hour long journey.

(01:16:19):
It's sweet.
But we should definitely do aSmall Lake City meetup at Flow
House.
Let's do it.
That'd be sick.
Get the people there.
That'd be so fun.
We do all those, all the timetoo.

Speaker 2 (01:16:29):
They're great Sick.
This has been great.
It's been.
I always like there's yet to bean episode where I sit down
like, okay, here's what I canexpect, and it's met that
expectation.
It's always been a good way toconnect with people.
So thanks for coming on.
I'm

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