Vault Episode 7: Mi Duole - Stuart Anderson - Small Lake City

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SPEAKER_01 (01:35):
What is up, everybody, and welcome back to
another episode of the SmallLake City Podcast.
I'm your host, Eric Nielsen, andthis week we are diving back
into vaulted episodes as weprepare for season two.
So for vault episode numberseven, we are going back to
Stuart Anderson, the fearlessleader of the cycling club Mi
Dwele.
Now, Mi Dwele is a cycling clubbased on the Lower East Bench,

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but as members all over thestate with the premise of
suffering together.
And that suffering typicallylooks like biking up canyons to
the top of mountains, longdistances in the desert or in
the winter, virtually alongsideeach other.
But not only physicallysuffering, but sharing the
difficulties of life and havinga community to support you and
rely on.
So whether you're a cyclingenthusiast, someone who

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appreciates good community orwants to hear someone's great
story, there's definitelysomething in this for everyone.
But yeah, let's jump into it andhope you enjoy.
Long story short, like I wasI've been humming and hawing
over doing this podcast for liketwo years.
And so when I first startedthinking about it, I was like,
who do I want to have?
Who would do this?
And like thinking about themesthat I wanted to cover.

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And like, I mean, obviously, andwe'll get into it of like road
biking culture in Utah haschanged so much, proliferated so
much.
And like, so I talked to JanieBowen, who obviously you know
very well.
And I was like, hey, who's whostarted like me doing?
She's like, Oh, Stu Anderson,like he's the man, like you
gotta like talk to him, blah,blah, blah.
Anyway, like very animated aboutit.
And for some reason, I imaginethis like 63, 65-year-old guy

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that just still gets up everymorning on his bike, and then
once like things go through.

SPEAKER_00 (03:07):
I'll tell that story.
Exactly.

SPEAKER_01 (03:09):
But no, super stoked to have you.
It's been like uh it'sembarrassing-ish how long I've
wanted to have this specificconversation.
Cool.
And so I'm so stoked to have youhere because uh, I mean, anyone
who's anyone, I mean, especiallyif anybody drives up Emigration
Canyon between the hours of sixand eight on any given day,
you'll see five to fifty medooley jerseys going up.

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Like, even it's like I I think Ibrought this up in the text uh
kind of thread that we had, butI've been training, I was
training for the St.
George Marathon, which has a lotof downhill.
So there's one morning I waslike, you know what, let's just
go to the top a little mountainand I'll just run down.
And so sure enough, I'm drivingto the top and I see a bunch of
Berlinkin red lights in theparking lot.
And I'm like, I know exactly whothese people are.
So sure enough, get to the top,park my car, start writing down.

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And as I'm getting like to thetop first switchback coming
down, uh, I just hear a Eric andSpangler, of course.
He's like leading the charge.
And then like two seconds later,I hear Evan Cantor and he's
like, Eric?
I'm like, Yep.
And then Janie, Eric, like, yes,okay.
My all my friends decided tobike up the canyon this morning.
But yeah, super cool, super coolthe community being able to

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build.
And like that's one thing that'sbeen super thematic for me and
my love of Salt Lake and kind ofthe people that I've been
talking to in the podcast isthese communities that get
created.
And a lot of the time, and I'msure we'll get intuitive, like
the how naturally thesecommunities can form when
someone takes a little bit ofownership and says, you know
what, like, hey, let's, let's,let's formalize this a little
bit more.
Like, let's let's do this week,let's do this monthly.

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Oh, let's make, let's make bids,let's make shirts, let's make
jackets, let's make t-shirts,let's make hats, all of these
things, and all of a sudden itit becomes this thing.
So I was super excited to talkto you about it, but but
definitely want to kind of laysome foundation on for you and
how you got there.
But I know you're you're a SaltLake City local, born and raised
here.
What part of the valley do youhail from?

SPEAKER_00 (04:53):
Yeah, so born and raised holiday, Utah.
I literally live a mile and ahalf, a mile and a half from the
house like I was born in.
So love that.
I went to Olympus, moved away tolike the skyline area when me
and my wife were first married.
Now we're back in the Olympusarea, literally like a mile from
my parents' house.

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So that's where I grew up, 45thSouth, 20th East, right there.

SPEAKER_01 (05:16):
So just Olympus native, true and true.

SPEAKER_00 (05:18):
True and that's it.
And it's all these Olympuspeople are like back in my
neighborhood.
We're all just like back in thesame spot.

SPEAKER_01 (05:25):
So and it's it's like that boomerang effect that
happens so much in Utah.
People are like, oh, you know, Idon't know if I want to be here,
like, oh, I'm gonna go doeducation, school, job,
whatever, and come back.
But I mean, obviously, like thenquote, like nicer neighborhoods
growing up were so much closerto Salt Lake, and now you have
people like, I can't afford tolive in Harvard Yellow or
Federal Heights or any avenues.
Like, and it's just been kind ofthis like you saw this growth
towards Mill Creek, you saw thisgrowth towards I mean, holiday

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and like I mean CottonwoodHeights, and I mean obviously
Draper Sandy, every which wayneighborhood has kind of been
expanding that way as the I meanthe populace continues to grow.
It's I always joked when youdrive from like uh like LA to
San Diego and it'd be consistentconcrete jungle.
And Salt Lake didn't used to bethat way, but now it's like oh
like Ogden, yeah all the waydown to like Payson.

(06:09):
Yeah, there's there's stuff.
But so I mean, growing up, likewere you always like on your
bike?
Was this an intimaterelationship from the beginning,
or what kind of activities wereyou engaged in in those kind of
formative years?

SPEAKER_00 (06:21):
Yeah, so my my parents were not they're not
athletic.
Um my dad played some sportswhen he was a little kid, but
the most that we ever did as afamily was I mean, we go hiking,
we do some bike rides to likethe park on Saturday.
But uh growing up I playedsports like normal kids, soccer,

(06:41):
basketball, baseball, but allthat kind of faded away.
Um when I got in junior high.
I stopped playing all sports.
Um, I had a close friend pull meinto football at Olympus, so I
played that um ninth gradethrough my senior year.
But endurance sports were not onmy radar ever.
You know, like if you dress upin that outfit, then you deserve

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to have something thrown at youout of your car.
Like, that was how I looked ascyclists.
Like, no way.
I didn't mountain bike growingup.
There was no biking.
Like I had a trek that I justlike any kid, I went to my
friend's house on my bike.

SPEAKER_01 (07:19):
Throw to the yard, go to the basement, play some
N64.

SPEAKER_00 (07:22):
That's it.
No cycling.
I I never did it.
I didn't I didn't admire anyonethat cycled.
I never hung out with anyonethat cycled growing up.
It was just never part of myculture or my life.

SPEAKER_01 (07:32):
So I mean the same way too.
Like I remember, I don'tremember I've remembered this so
vividly.
So I grew up in the avenues.
Um, I mean, if you go up like uhit's on North Cliff, but like up
Terrace Hill is kind of likethat second right.
And I remember there's alwaysthere's a couple times, maybe
like three to five at most, thatme and my sisters would hop on
our like I mean, almost likeWalmart mountain bikes, and we'd

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go down Terrace Hills along11th, like to the Capitol and
back and be like, that was abike ride.
And then like you know, like forme then obviously it was, but it
it's so crazy now to see how Imean, even when I like drive up
emigration, I mean notimmigration, up uh sunny side to
go, I mean, to Foothill, you'llsee all of these like I mean,
kids, like literally, like I'vesome of them can't be older than

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12, I mean, some in high school,but they're like just going up
emigration.
I'm like, you couldn't have paidme enough to do that in those
years.
Yeah.
And I it's changed so much.
Just like and like and like tothat same thing, like I mean,
like my family, like we didn'treally do a lot of outdoor
stuff.
I mean, a lot of it because Imean, just I mean, almost single

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mom raising kids, like she's notgonna be like, All right, well,
do you want to go camping?
Should we go on a like a longhike?
Do you want to go do that?
Like, it was so much more ofkeeping the peace rather than
all out of this stuff.
Where that's a lot of where myappreciation has come in for
Utah is like obviously theoutdoors and the exposure to it,
and where now people take it forgranted for so much less than we
do.
But then also you have thisinflux of people coming in and

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they're like, This is thegreatest place in the world.
Look at this like outdoorparadise.

SPEAKER_00 (09:00):
Like, I grew up in Ohio, like we don't have any of
that.
That's true.
I mean, as you're talking aboutthat, I'm thinking about two
weekends ago, I'm in Cedar Cityfor the high school state
mountain bike championship.
And there are 2,200 kids racingover a two-day period on the
Cedar City mountain bike course.
The fact that that didn't exist20 years ago when I was in high

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school, like there was no highschool cycling league.
And now to see this thing whereit was like a city built in the
middle of like down there inCedar City, like the opportunity
afforded to those kids to beoutside recreating and loving
bikes was the coolest thing I'veI've I've seen.
Because you'll know me, Eric.

(09:43):
Uh, like I am passionate aboutthe cycling community, like what
it brings to people, whetherit's kids or older men like us.
Um, well, you're not an olderman, you're like a handsome
young man.
It's subjective.
But I am an older, I guess I'man older man.
Uh, how important this communityis.
Like it really is special.
And I didn't know anything aboutit when I was a little kid.

SPEAKER_01 (10:04):
Totally.
Like, I have a nephew actuallywho does, I mean, mountain
biking, he's a uh more in highschool now, I believe.
And I I'll talk to him, I'll belike, wait, you you mean you
guys just get to go ride bikeswith friends like every day?
Like, oh, we're training.
What?
Yeah, like training, yeah.
Well, it's like the same thing,like because I'm a big golfer,
and so I talk to my friends thatplayed golf in high school.
I'm like, wait, wait, you guysjust gotta go play golf every
day with your friends?

(10:25):
Like golf team.
Unreal, unreal.
Yeah, and which is like a wholecrazy experience.
But so yeah, so so you're inOlympus playing a ton of
football, um, very typical forthe area.
Love that.
Um, what was your familydynamic?
Like, were the oldest, youngest?
How many siblings were in theworld?

SPEAKER_00 (10:44):
Um, a middle child, I have an older sister, younger
brother, and my parents were notinto sports.
I already said that.
They uh um like when it cametime to was there anything they
pushed on you specifically?

SPEAKER_01 (10:53):
Or just like no, the world is your oyster.

SPEAKER_00 (10:55):
Do whatever you want.
Yeah, uh, maybe we'll come to agame, maybe we won't come to a
game.
Um, your game, like it was justlike you do that.
Um, I I only bring that upbecause now, you know, like I do
everything in my power to be atevery child's sporting event,
practice, buying them the myparents were just kind of like,
listen, uh, make it work, goodluck.

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Maybe we'll come to a game if itfits our schedule.
Uh always supportive, alwaysthere, provided, you know, camps
and travel and everything likethat.
But it certainly didn't focus,my life didn't focus around
sports and well, Stuart's gotfootball, we're going to the
state champion, we're going.
I mean, it was like, great.
Cool, good for you.
Good for you.
Yeah, did you get your pianodone?

(11:39):
Did you did you mobile on?
Um, so that that's kind of how Igrew up.
My family dynamic.
My sister did a lot of ballet.
Um, my brother was four yearsyounger than me, so I didn't.
I mean, I watched him playlittle league stuff, but um,
yeah, that that was it.
I mean, normal family on theeast bench of Salt Lake City.

SPEAKER_01 (11:57):
That's it's very accurate.
Were you close with any of thosesiblings growing up or happened
later?
Kind of stayed your own lane.

SPEAKER_00 (12:04):
Yeah, stayed in my own lane.
We didn't become friends untilwe were older in our 20s.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (12:09):
I feel like that's so typical.
Like, so me and my sister, likemy sister, Kirsten is one of my
like my best friend.
Like, there's probably twopeople who I can talk to about
anything at any time, and she'sthe number one of those two
people.
And but like in high school andlike early 20s, not a chance.
Like, she used to write meweekly when she was in school at
Utah State because she playedsoccer up there, and just kind

(12:29):
of being like just trying toconnect almost, but like I was
like, whatever.
I'm like just like a I mean ashithead high school kid.
Like, I don't care about that.
Like, I'm not gonna take time towrite my sister.
But thankfully, all of thateffort that she put in, build
all this, and then all of asudden, like we found ourselves
kind of like three, four, fiveyears ago, being like, hey,
like, can we have like a realrelationship and like be

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friends?
Right you, yeah, yeah.
And it's been, I mean,obviously, like life-changing
and game changing for for somany reasons.
Like, even I mean, Halloween wason Tuesday, and I was like
sitting there, I was like, Ireally don't want to go like be
around a lot of people.
I'm tired, I've worked the nextday.
And like text, I'm like, Are youtaking the kids out
trick-or-treating?
She's like, Yeah, I'm like, CanI come?
She's like, sure.
Which is like a whole like atangent of so weird on being

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that side of things, but in thesame neighborhood I used to
trick-or-treat in.
I was like, this is this iswild.
But but it was so fun.
So go through high school,you're into sports, parents are
supportive, but not like thethey're not in the pacing the
sideline, watching you,approaching things like probably
Jake would be doing with hiskids.
Um uh so I imagine high schoolends, go on a mission.

SPEAKER_00 (13:35):
I served a mission, yeah, to Ireland, Northern
Ireland.

SPEAKER_01 (13:38):
That's was awesome.
That's so stupid that you got togo there.
Like, I was actually justtalking to someone who's from
Scotland, yeah, and they'relike, Oh, I kind of want to go
to Ireland.
It seems like, yeah, like it'sone of the places you see
pictures, and there's no onelooking at there and being like,
that's an ugly place.
I'm so sorry you had to gothrough that.

SPEAKER_00 (13:53):
Absolutely the best.
I mean, every day I think abouthow special it was.
Not only to live there, but whatI got to do.
It was the coolest thing.
A lot of my companions wereBritish, Irish, Scottish.
So I also got to live with thatculture.
Um, it was the best.
I loved it.

SPEAKER_01 (14:10):
Yeah, I went to I went to Washington.
Okay.
Uh, if you pick up a piece offruit and it says made in
Washington, those were thosewere my people.
Nice.
That's because I was Spanishspeaking.
So I mean it's like the wholeeastern side of Washington,
central Washington.
Like, if you're not fromWashington and I name the
cities, they're like, cool,never heard of it.
Moving on.
You weren't in Seattle?
That's all I care about.
And like, and obviously, there'sso many, so formative years of

(14:32):
yeah, right, dude.

SPEAKER_00 (14:33):
I put on like 20 pounds in the first four months.
Just eating Irish deep friedcandy bars and chip shops.
Like, I didn't even know ituntil I looked down and I had
rubbed a hole in my thighs, weretouching, and I'd rubbed a hole
in my pants.
And I'm like, what is what iswrong with my why?

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And I sent a picture to my now,my she's my wife now, but she's
like, Huh, you're looking likeyou're thin.
You're she wouldn't say this,but like I put on some serious
words.

SPEAKER_01 (15:03):
A lot of strategic words.

SPEAKER_00 (15:04):
Yes, not your fat, but like, what is going on?

SPEAKER_01 (15:08):
She's like, I'm doubting everything now.
Types out, dear John.
No, facts, face, fax, face, fax,face.

SPEAKER_00 (15:13):
It was it was incredible.
Um, and that was 1999, 2000.
Cool.

SPEAKER_01 (15:18):
It's okay.
I was on my mission and whenBlockbuster went out of
business.
So I'd like to drive past theseBlockbuster traffic.
Can I go buy us like 20 DVDsreally quick for 50 cents?
So you come back with school inthe future, or or what were the
kind of those next steps aftercoming back from the University
of Utah?

SPEAKER_00 (15:34):
I uh political science degree.
My father always let me knowthat a scholarship would be
available from him if it was atthe University of Utah.
Goods.
Absolutely no way I could go toBYU.
Like that was just culture ofour family.
So I lived at home, I went tothe U, and I loved every minute
of the like I'm through andthrough University of Utah.

(15:55):
It's just I still have seasontickets to gymnastics, football,
basketball.
So I grew up doing that.
That was our family culture wasUtah sports.
Cool.
That's just that was Tuesday,Thursday night with Rick
Majoris.
I mean, that was what we did.

SPEAKER_01 (16:09):
It's it's so funny, like how many people have
because when you go through likelife, you almost have this
thought that I'm the only oneexperiencing all of these
things.
But then you start to realizelike I was talking to someone
about Utah football because likemy stepdad, I mean, always had
tickets with some of the peoplethat he had, I mean, worked
with, lived around kind of likethat Yellcrest Yellow area, and

(16:29):
um had had like church callingswith and stuff.
And so they they got marriedwhen I was 14.
And so that's almost 20 yearsago.
And like I didn't really likethink about like how much time
had passed, how much experienceand how like formative that was.
And then I was like, wait aminute, like I go to these seats
and it's like, oh, hey, how's itgoing?
How's it going?
Oh, good to see you again.
How's how's things?

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And like same people, sameexperiences, but it's like we we
were all there, we were allwatching, and it was all such a
good time.
Like, same thing withgymnastics.
Like, you go anywhere else,you're like, Oh, by the way, if
gymnastics tickets, like, whatis why like are you a gymnastics
enthusiast?
Like, no, no, no, we're justreally good at Red Rocks, like,
come on.
And it's it's so it's so fun tohave that that uh I mean common

(17:10):
ground with people when youthink you're the only ones going
to this stuff, but then and thenjust continues, right?
And then you you get older,like, yeah, well, I'm getting
season tickets now, it's timefor my time to shine.
Yep, and it just keeps rollingforward.
Yeah, so you go to the U inpolitical science, graduate from
the U.
I know that they're the uh CrownCouncil, which you're not a

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dentist, no, which I know waytoo many dentists because again,
Utah.
Like, I know three Dr.
Bowens that are all dentists,and it's anyway, I digress.
Yeah, Brandon, his dad Brad, andmy friend Spencer Bowen.

SPEAKER_00 (17:46):
Very saturated market here in DJ.
Very saturated.

SPEAKER_01 (17:48):
Like I was talking to one of my friends who's a
dentist somewhere else.
I'm like, oh, are you comingback?
He's like, I can't.
There's not an there's notenough.
It's true.
There's not enough mouse.

SPEAKER_00 (17:54):
More dentists per capita in Salt Lake City than
anywhere else.

SPEAKER_01 (17:57):
Yeah.
So how did you get involved withCrown Council?

SPEAKER_00 (18:00):
So uh my my grandfather, my dad's dad, um,
Arthur Anderson, he was amarketing executive and grew up
just um planning and organizingand doing marketing campaigns
for gigantic corporations.
Um Zions Bank was one of hishuge accounts, and he made it

(18:21):
known um that that that wassomething that was part of our
family, the the creative natureof advertising.
So my dad uh kind of followedhis footsteps in marketing, uh,
the love of business, the loveof entrepreneurship.
And my family's really tight.
Like uh my my father has sixother brothers and sisters, so a
family of seven.
And man, every first Sunday ofevery month, we were having

(18:44):
dinner with 180 cousins.
I mean, there's like now thatgroup is gigantic.
Um, and that kind of propelledme into this market of
entrepreneurship, building myown thing, uh, being involved in
some sort of creativity businessbuilding uh enterprise.
And Crown Council was created inthe late 90s as an opportunity

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for dentists to learn businessskills.
So in the in short, a dentistgoes to dental school, comes
out, runs a business, has tohire people, manage groups of
people, a culture, a community.
And uh Crown Council's job is toprovide the tools to a dental
professional to help them buildtheir practice.

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Whether it's business relationsor strategic uh connections that
they make inside the inside ofdentistry, we provide online
culture training tools, anythingthat would build a dental
practice to be a better place togo.
So dentists come to us and say,How do I hire?
How do I train my team'sculture?
How do I build my own communityof of people that patients want

(19:52):
to come and be a part of?
So that's nationwide.
Um 1,200 dental practices belongto like our group.
It's a community, a membership,and we do humanitarian trips,
uh, a charity program, liveevents.
Um, so I'm a dentist, I'm withdental teams all day, every day,
and I get to work with my fathertoo.
So he and his brother startedthe business.

(20:13):
My partner, my dad's brother'sdown in Dallas, and then we're
here in Salt Lake City.
Um that's it.
Is that good enough for CrownCouncil?

SPEAKER_02 (20:20):
Oh, that's that's fantastic.

SPEAKER_00 (20:22):
That's right.
And the best dentists know that.
And the people that want tobuild their business and provide
an incredible experience forpatients are constantly working
on their practice.
So they're they're doing notonly work in the practice, but
they're working on it.
And those are our clients, thedentists that want to elevate
patient care, patientexperience.

(20:42):
And I only I only tell you thatbecause I feel it leads in,
well, I don't you let me lead,you lead, but it leads into it
spills into the community ofcyclists.
Uh, I spend my professionalcareer uh building a community
and trying to teach others howto build a culture inside their
practice, and that spills overinto the into the bike team and

(21:03):
into cycling.

SPEAKER_01 (21:04):
Yeah.
So before we go into kind oflike the biking details, let's
go back to maybe mission-ish,but so so riding this woman
who's now your wife neverbefore.
Yeah.
So so walk us through thatstory.

SPEAKER_00 (21:16):
Okay, so uh I I come home and my my wife Kristen, um,
her mom and my mom know eachother from a nail salon.
Okay.
Kristen is working as the uhreceptionist now after high
school, and my mom secretly isfeeding information to Kristen
about how weird I am when I gothome.
So I was like, you can't datehim yet.

(21:39):
Don't call him.
If he calls you, don't don'ttalk.
He's super weird.
Let him warm up a little bit.
It was like two and a half yearsuntil my mom was like, okay, you
can you can so I I know thatthat is a bit of a I'm proud of
that.
Like I came home a weirdo.
I came home a weirdo.
It's fine.
I was committed to the cause.
I was a great missionary.
That I I changed.

(22:00):
Maybe some of that stuff had towear off a bit when I came home,
which is good.
I'm pr I'm happy for listening.
My wife reminds me all the timethat it was uh I was a real
weirdo when I came home.
So we start dating.
Um it's three or four years now.
I've been home from a mission,and that's it.
We we got married here in SaltLake City, moved into the
Skyline area.
We meet I immediately bought ahome up in Skyline, um, right

(22:23):
below the high school.
We remodeled, lived there forseven years, had a child, and if
people want to know what lifewas like before CrossFit, okay
when it when CrossFit becameCrossFit, I was all in.
I was doing a thousand bodyweight squat.
What I don't even know what thehell, all that ridiculous

(22:44):
CrossFit stuff.
I was at ground zero.
And so I entered into thatworld, my wife entered into that
world, and we were that was likeexercise for us.
Like we thought this was fun,it's 2007, 2008, and that kind
of consumed my fitness world fortwo or three years.

SPEAKER_01 (23:01):
Just talking to every single person about it.

SPEAKER_00 (23:04):
I was the epitome of the CrossFit like guy.

SPEAKER_01 (23:08):
It was it was a bad looking back, it was we all have
those phases that we look backlike, all right, well, we did
that.
I mean, there's worse things youcould have gotten.

SPEAKER_00 (23:16):
Why am I power cleaning?
Like, why am I military pre ifpeople listen to this?
I just um I look back at thattime and I'm like, that was uh
it was just kind of silly, butalso a great thing to do.
It was fun, it was.
I mean, uh, and from there wepropelled into the world of
triathlon.

SPEAKER_01 (23:33):
Uh-huh.
Okay.
So how did you get introduced?
So I mean CrossFit andTriathlon, that that's pretty
different worlds.

SPEAKER_00 (23:40):
It was.

SPEAKER_01 (23:41):
How did you transition into that?
Was it someone that brought youor just exploring on your own?

SPEAKER_00 (23:44):
Something about me uh personal is I really enjoy
the nature of suffering on abike.
It's one of the reasons that Iam drawn to the experience of
cycling.
Uh, I I feel like being able tosuffer and experience pain and
really get into what it whencycling gets weird, when it gets

(24:07):
hard, when it pushes you.
Um, my daughter describes it,her her swim coach talks about
being an onion.
So, like each layer that getspeeled back.
The old Shrek 101.
The old Shrek when it getsharder and harder.
I love that about cycling.
And so CrossFit transitioned usinto triathlon because someone
was like, Oh, they're so hard.
You've got to try it.

(24:28):
And I was like, This is so dumb.
But we tried it, and I'm like,this is actually pretty fun.
We did like a couple of sprinttriathlons.
It was fun to travel for theweekend.
The equipment was kind of fun,like wetsuits and bikes, and I'm
a big gear guy.
I mean, that's fun.
It was a new world of like Iwent away from medicine balls
and rings into this world oflike cycling shoes.

(24:49):
And oh, I'm in a tra I'm in thetransition area and I'm gonna
use these stretchy laces.
Now I'm going fast, you know.
Um, so that was a fun, reallyfun transition.
We did it with some friends.
Uh, and as couples, we would goaround and do all the Utah
triathlons, and that progressedinto now we're doing halves, now
we're doing Olympic triathlons,and now I'm really getting into

(25:12):
the suffering of triathlon.
Um, I did a couple halfironmans, and we were we we were
in our neighborhood, and thereuh there's an older man that
lived in our neighborhood.
His wife came to my wife one oneday and she's like, How's it
going?
And Kristen's like, Well, he'straining for a half iron man.

(25:35):
And this woman's husband haddone Iron Man's for years, and
she's like, Well, there'snothing more selfish than an
Iron Man.
And Kristen's eyes were kind ofwide, like, she's right.
And we had this big long talkabout I'm running in the
morning, I'm writing in theafternoon, I'm swimming in the
morning, I'm running at lunch.

SPEAKER_01 (25:54):
I'm like, we have a free time if you're doing
something.

SPEAKER_00 (25:57):
I'm like, I'm going to bed.
I'm going to bed.
I can't, uh, yeah, I gotta getup.
And so we had a baby, she wastwo or three years old, four
years old, and Kristen and Iwere like, This is kind of
silly.
But it really consumedeverything about our young
marriage.
Um, and it was good to step backand just kind of just say, Hey,

(26:18):
maybe not for us.
Well, let's not do this.

SPEAKER_01 (26:20):
Yeah, it's definitely a lot.
Like, I don't think I've had afriend because I feel like it's
I mean, becoming very popular inUtah specifically, because I
mean everybody loves beingoutside.
I mean, everyone loves to run,everyone loves to trail run,
everyone loves to bike, so it'slike cool, I can swim too.
I'll go to Steiner and do somelaps.

SPEAKER_02 (26:36):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (26:37):
And it I mean, obviously it's great.
And like I totally understandlike the suffering of it all.
And there's a quote, it's like,I don't cycle as much as I
should now.
Like, I this summer I had tocome to Jesus moment with myself
where I have to pick twohobbies.
That's it.
Otherwise, I'm like mountainbiking, road biking, golfing,
running, like pickleball.
Like, I'm just like this ADHDfocused, like border collie of

(27:00):
like, oh yeah, an exercise,something to do, cool.
Let's sprint off in thatdirection.
So this year I was like, okay,we're gonna run a marathon.
That's something I needed to do.
Go run St.
George, my mother's favoritemarathon.
She retired.
So I was like, okay, I'll do it.
And then golf, because I'mhelplessly addicted to golf and
all my friends are addicted togolf.
But there's a quote that I lovefrom Will Smith.
I mean, it's probably like10-ish years ago where he's
like, that there's two thingsyou need to do, I'm

(27:21):
paraphrasing, but there's twothings that I love to do.
It's running and reading.
Because reading, because all ofour problems have been solved
before, you just have to gofigure it out and learn.
And two, because with running,there's this voice in the back
of your head that tells you togive up, to stop.
It's too hard.
And if you can mentally running,or I mean, same applies for
cycling, swimming, anything, tolearn how to just tell that

(27:42):
voice to kind of shut up.
That skill is so valuable ineverything, whether it's
professional, whether it's infamily, I mean, whatever adverse
you're going through, if it'slike, okay, shut up.
I know this is hard.
I know it's easier to quit, butI have to keep moving forward.
And and I think a lot of peopledon't really like because like
you talk to people, like, Imean, how many conversations do
you have with people?
You're like, oh yeah, like oneof my biggest passions is

(28:03):
cycling.
Like, oh, I hate cycling, it'shard.
You're like, yeah, yeah.
That's why we like it.
Yeah.
So so totally understand that.
And then also totally understandthe the time suck and being
like, okay, maybe I do need tobe with my family more and take
away from the selfishness of it.
So you start getting into thetries, you start to realize,
like, okay, maybe long-termisn't that impact.
So I imagine there's a thoughtprocess in all this where you're

(28:24):
like, let's keep this bike.
I kind of forgot one of thesethree, let's let's hold on to
this one.

SPEAKER_00 (28:29):
That's right.
And I would ride, um, in this,like you were saying at the
introduction, here I am inimmigration.
Here I am, I'm in Mill CreekCanyon, I'm in Big Cottonwood
Canyon, and it's always the sametime.
I'm riding before my family'sawake.
So I'm out at five, I'm out at5:30, I'm home by 7, 7:30.
And I'm always seeing the sameidiots, it's the same guys in

(28:50):
the same stupid gear.
And one of them is in myneighborhood.
So it's a friend that I grew upin high school with, Spencer
Chipping.
And Chip finally says to me, Whydon't why don't you come and
ride?
Come and try this out with us.
Come and ride out.
Uh, do we're riding in the sameplaces anyway, just come ride
with us.
So um, I started riding with theMidwele guys.

(29:11):
So I started riding with Midweleguys, and um, that really was
it.
It's like not glamorous.
Uh, we were riding in the sameplaces, we were coming from the
same spot.
Uh, we're all leaving fromholiday at the same time, we're
all dads, and I started ridingwith Midwele.
That was it.
I mean, it it transitioned thatfast from trathlons into like,

(29:31):
I'll just go all in with bikes.
Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (29:33):
So, how many, so you and Chip, was it you and Chip to
begin with, the two of you, andthen kind of snowballed from
there?

SPEAKER_00 (29:37):
Or so there's a great question.
So, his do you want the historyof Midwele?
Of course.
So, history of Midwele was 1984.
There's a we call them the OGs,so these old gangsters, East
Bench guys that are now 65, 60,55 years old, they started the
team.
And they created Me Dwele, theymade the partnerships with
Barbacoa.
All the sponsors that came tothe team early were started by

(30:01):
this group of guys.
So all the glory goes to themfor starting Me Dwele.
They were known as like the realmountain goats of cycling here
in Utah.
And some of the I mean,professionals came from the
ranks of these early guys.
Love that.
So Marty Jameson that wrote forLance, he was one of the
original team members, stillaround here in Utah running
tours over in Europe.
But there are some old school MiDwele guys that started this

(30:25):
team.
And when me and Chip startedwriting together, the team had
kind of gone um not it wasn'tthat they weren't around, it was
that the passion behind buildingthe squad had kind of fizzled
out.
He did a little bit of lifesupport.
Yeah.
And so I started running thewebsite, I started doing a

(30:45):
Twitter feed, I started runningan Instagram feed.
And just because I was like,this is cool, I'm with these
guys, I want to represent who weare.
I I'm like, I'm on a team.
And after two or three years, Ithink they saw, hey, there's
some passion here for our group.
And me and Chip asked, we said,can we have the team?

(31:07):
Can we run it?
And that was, man, that waseight or nine years ago.
That these guys just handed overeverything that was Mijuele
leadership to us.
And although the team had kindof uh dipped a bit, it was a
real honor to take over thetradition of what Mi Dwele was.
Because they had they had setthe culture.

(31:29):
These guys everyone knew theseguys were the big they were just
bad.
Just They were gonna bury you.
These old guys that could ridefive canyons in a Saturday.
You know, with like, oh, we'rejust doing 14,000 vert uh before
noon.
Casual.
Yeah, no big deal.
And that was known.
It wasn't like me and Chip.

(31:50):
So they already had thisreputation.

SPEAKER_01 (31:52):
They knew who these people were.
Yes.
And I because where did the namecome from originally?
Because like obviously, likeit's a great question.

SPEAKER_00 (31:58):
Yeah.
It's a great question.
So me dwele is old schoolItalian for you're causing me
great suffering.
It means like um, like when whenI'm with you, you you are you're
making me to suffer.
So when you say, I mean, that isthe name of the the team as
itself is you're you're causingme great physical anguish.

SPEAKER_01 (32:20):
Which is it's good to set expectations early.
Because if you were to be like,hey, we are the uh we are the
sunset riders.
We just love to be jellybellies.
Yeah, like the people show up,they're like, Oh, we're just
gonna go on a nice bike ride,like, no, we're going up big,
then we're gonna go up little,then we're gonna like so to be
like, hey, we're gonna suffertogether and we're gonna grow
together from it.
Yeah.
So uh so you have this passingof the guard of you guys being

(32:42):
like, hey, listen, we want tocarry this shield forward.
Thank you so much for your work.
All honor to you guys, but we'regonna take it from here.
I mean, what what did that Imean, how intentional was that
beginning of trying to grow thisthing, or was it mostly just
throwing it to the wall and seewhat stuck?

SPEAKER_00 (32:56):
Yeah, it was not intentional.
We when it when it firsthappened, we weren't like, hey,
okay, we're gonna we're gonna goget a loan and we're gonna not
like I take a loan out, but Imean, we weren't thinking like,
what can we do to grow?
That wasn't the intention atall.
We were me and Chip were like,hey, we've got some nice
Eastbench group, a nicecommunity of cyclists.
We've got the culture of thisteam.

(33:16):
Um, let's make great gear, let'smake a great website, and let's
have fun on social media.
Tell everybody what we're doingand show how cool it is.
That was it.
And uh the community, and I'lluse Jake Cook as an example,
started to gravitate towards theteam.
Like, I want to be part ofwhatever you guys are building.
I want to race with you, I wantto look like you guys.

(33:37):
And slowly but surely thatcommunity and culture started to
just grow.
Were word started to spreadabout can I ride with you guys?

SPEAKER_01 (33:47):
Which is such like a because there's been an I've had
enough guests on the podcastwhere there's so many situations
where you can find yourself inin like an entrepreneurial state
of mind where you're like, Icould make as much money as I
want to on this, but I'velearned like that doesn't really
work.
Like no one is gravitatedtowards a community or some sort
of passion based on likefinancial return.
They're based on authenticity,they're based on being present,

(34:09):
and they're based on like Imean, intimate human
relationships and likeconnections.
It's true.
And so it's so interesting thatyou say that words like, hey, we
just wanted to be a couple likesome people riding bikes, having
fun and like doing somethingthat we loved and suffering our
way through it.
Yes.
And people did that.
And like, and then and I knowlike Jake, I don't know if what
it's it's probably a chicken andthe egg situation, but I mean a

(34:30):
lot of that neighborhood, likethat neighborhood I grew up in,
oh, the cycling we got into toCrate and Ryder.
That's right, Saints to Sinners.
And I mean, like for me, forexample, like I always wanted to
go do it, but I didn't want tobe the person to call me like,
hey, sign me up.
I'm in this, and like just kindof I'm just not that person to
like force my way into somethinglike that.
And it wasn't until I think Danawas posting on Instagram, like,

(34:51):
hey, is anybody interested indoing Saints to Sinners this
year?
We need a couple people and likeliterally like DMing back as
soon as possible, being like,Yes, I want in.
I don't even have a bike, I'venever even ridden a road bike,
but I'm in.
So I'd like to go.
I think I borrowed someone'sbike, bought a kit off Amazon.
Nice.
I remember I was living in likethe avenues that time, so I'm
going up Virginia and likeliterally tilt over because I

(35:12):
don't know how to unclipperfectly.
And I'm like, how is this gonnago?
But like, yada yada yada, end updoing Saints and Sinners with my
like some of my best friends andlike slogging through it all,
having so much fun and doingthat for a couple of years.
But that's so many of those guysgot in into cycling.
I mean, like Jake, Jason, Imean, like that Evan's probably
a result of that, like thatwhole area, yeah, and and and

(35:34):
seeing that growth.
And and it's so fun to see howthey kind of like, and I think
this is probably overstretching,but seeing how they found this
passion and like a part of it'sattached to that.
But then it's like, how do Ikeep doing this more?
And who are these people I do itwith?
And I think you were there for,I mean, obviously it's very
anecdotal, but I think there's alot of stories similar to those
where it's like, hey, I want tofind these people, but it I

(35:55):
can't just go like talk to astranger at 545 by Ruth Diner
and say, Hey, do you want to dothis every morning?
Or like, how do you find thesepeople?
So, like, it's so cool that youhad this place that people were
finding solace or trying to findsomething like that and being
like, Yeah, meet here at thistime and we'll do it.

SPEAKER_00 (36:11):
That's right.
And um, it's very similar toCrown Council in that um the
culture of dentistry is not onewhere a dentist is trained to
share ideas and to sharebusiness practices with the
other dentist.
That's just not a thing thatmost dentists know how to do.
They're not like, hey, um, I'mdoing this thing in my practice

(36:31):
and we're crushing it.
So let me share it with you.
Um in Crown Council, we try toteach that where a dentist uh
has this incredible idea,they're doing it, whatever,
they're sharing that with withtheir friends, and uh they find
that the law of uh that thatlaw, that natural law where I I
give more away, I actuallyreceive more.

(36:55):
Um there are only a certainamount of dentists that
gravitate towards that idea.
Some of them, when we try toexplain that to them, they're
like, This is I am not gonna dothis.
This is a and they leave ourgroup, and that is fine.
We're like, okay, you don't fit.
And the reason I share that isbecause Midwele and the team is

(37:15):
very similar.
So a guy, Jake brings MattRyder, and Matt Matt joins on a
ride.
And for example, let's just saythat uh as Matt rides up
immigration on his first time,he's just like, This is the
worst thing I've ever done.
I can't stand being with youguys.
That's okay.
Like, we never intended for medwelling to like be this thing

(37:38):
where all people can gravitatetowards and love it.

SPEAKER_01 (37:42):
Quality over quantity.
I mean, I'm the right peoplethat want to be there.

SPEAKER_00 (37:46):
I would welcome everyone.
That's how it's built.
We don't uh the group ismountain biking, gravel biking,
road biking, dads, women.
I mean, it doesn't matter.
I'm not like you don't fit.
Like, sorry.
It's not like there's a tryout.
No, there's no well, we jokethat there is a tryout, but the
same thing happens here.
I think that guys will want tobe part of the group and they'll

(38:08):
come and enjoy whatever we offeron a in the community of our
team.
And if it's a fit, that's great.
Stay with us, help us build thegroup.
Uh Justin Spengler was that wasthat guy.
He he came, he's like, Thislooks cool.
You guys look, I'm gonna ridewith you.
And now he's like, I want tohelp build the team.

(38:29):
I more people need to experiencethis cycling team because of
what it's given to Justin.
That's his words.
Uh, and so he stays, he builds,but it's not for everybody's
some lone wolves just don't lovebeing part of the community, and
that's okay.
That's just how it works.

SPEAKER_01 (38:44):
Totally.
Yeah.
So you start this up like eight,nine years ago.
At what point did you realize,like, we got a kind of like an
army of people here?
Like, this is not just like acouple dudes riding up mountains
on the weekend.

SPEAKER_00 (38:57):
It was the first time I exported the kit list.
So when we sold kits, the thecompany Vole that makes our
kits, I'm like, hey, can I getlike a like a packing list, like
a an order list?
And they're like, why?
I'm like, well, I need to knowwho is buying my stuff.
And when I got the list, I'mlike, it was like 180 plus

(39:18):
different individuals buyinggear.
And I'm like, Chip, we need tofigure out how to organize all
these people.
Yeah, we need a database, weneed like an email system, we
need a Facebook group, we need agroup meet chat, we need to
figure out a way to likecommunicate with all these
people.
And so there was never an oldlist of guys, and from that
moment, that was kind of whenthe team really took a shift,

(39:41):
when the communication of thecommunity took shape.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (39:47):
That's awesome.
See it grow that way, likealmost like sneakily, where
you're like, how many of you howmany is this now?
And you're like, oh, that'sthat's not a not insignificant
number.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (39:56):
And it was in a way where I like I import them into
Google and I'm like, man,there's a lot of contacts.
How should are should we have ateam email?
Should we have a team textthread?
Like, what do we do?
And that was when Chip and Istarted working through um team
updates.
Uh if you know about Strava, soStrava, we created the Strava

(40:21):
group where we would update guysand people would join that
group, a Facebook page.
I mean, that was really when theteam took sh took a different
shape, a different move.
Cool.
Was that was when we couldcommunicate with each other.
And the team could communicatewith each other.

SPEAKER_01 (40:35):
And I'm sure like when you deal with that many
people, it's not like, allright, everybody, this time this
goes.
I'm sure there's like a lot ofasynchronous groups.
That's right.
I mean, almost like subgroupswith on it all.
I mean, there's people who areprobably there every single
ride, ready to rock, and there'speople who kind of show up here
and there.
That's right.
Some people are competing anddoing load of job every year,
and there's people who it'slike, listen, this is just a way
for me to get out of bed andlike talk to people and not hay

(40:57):
life.

SPEAKER_00 (40:58):
Well, and and one thing we do, um, I'm a big
believer in culture, and thatculture has to be trained.
It um you can't just hope thatyour culture works out.
It has to be intentional.
It has to be intentional.
And so uh we started six orseven years ago recognizing the
leaders on the team, guys thatwere setting the team culture in

(41:18):
a way where new new people wouldcome in and say, Who do I look
to?
What are we supposed to do onthis team?
Um, and so our team colors arewhite, black, red, and yellow.
And we made specialty kits thatwe honor our leaders with.
So they wear yellow.
And so when they're they'regifted and nominated by the team
as the leader, uh, they wearthese yellow kits.

(41:41):
So we have about 12 right now,usually about two a year, where
we gift at team camp down in St.
George two new yellow jerseywearers.
That's awesome.
And they set it's like we lookto them, and they're not the
strongest guys, some of themare, but it's not like we pick,
oh, well, we pick the guy thatwins.
It's not a competition who cando the most miles or have the

(42:02):
most output.
That is not the yellow jerseywearers.
They are the team, they're theguys that are committed, loyal,
dedicated, passionate to thecause of me dwele.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (42:13):
No, I love that.
Because like it's, I mean, andthat's the right way to do it,
right?
Like, nominate internally, haveit based on the people who have
the biggest heart on theirsleeve, not like the most
output.
Because like that's not what younecessarily want to like roll.
I mean, it's part of it, butit's not like we're not this
elitist group of whoever's thebest is the best and do that.
Like, obviously, there's, Imean, as you said, like there's
been a lot of professionalcyclists that have come after

(42:34):
out of in the past.
There's been people who, I mean,are absolutely crushing it and
could go compete and and winmoney.
But at the end of the day, likeit's not that elitist mentality
that brings people together.
It's that community of like,we're gonna suffer together,
we're gonna build together,we're gonna grow together, and
we're gonna show up and be hereon this ride with each other.

SPEAKER_00 (42:51):
Yeah.
And Eric, um, I don't want togeneralize, but road cyclists as
a group are known to be some areknown to be real jerks, like
real a-holes, real alphas.
And so that idea in me dwell issomething that I hope my team

(43:12):
knows that I'm passionate aboutis that we are at the antithesis
of that person.
That for years the road cyclistmentality of like, listen, I'm
in it for me.
Just I don't even that's it.
And I know that um not I don'twant to generalize, that's why I
said I don't want to stereotype,but um I hope that my that me

(43:33):
duele knows that we are I wantto be beyond that, that the team
is a community, it uh loyal toeach other.
Uh, you know, if you get a flatin Lotaja, we're we're stopping
to help.
Um, I joke around Charles Smart.
Do you know Charles Smart?
He's one of those.
Okay, so uh I got a flat inLotaja years ago, two or three
years ago, and and and they leftme.

(43:54):
The squad left.

SPEAKER_01 (43:56):
Like, guys, come on.

SPEAKER_00 (43:57):
And now it was kind of the plan.
Lotaja is like this um, youknow, it's like a free for
anything can happen.
Totally.
So I was like, just go leave.
Like, I'll I'll figure it out.
My life, that's fine.
And I know that Charles carriedthis baggage for a long time
where he he felt reallypassionate about I left you.
Like that was terrible.
That we let we all left you.
And so last year I racedLeadville, the mountain bike

(44:18):
race.
So it's a hundred, it's ahundred-mile mountain bike race
up and is it the same path asthe trail running race?
It's not quite the same.
Okay, but it's I just finishedum Born to Run, so it's very top
of mind for me.
So it's all over 10,000 feet,100-mile race, um, 12,000
vertical feet of climbing in aday.
And I got a flat, stupid flat,and I'm racing it with Charles.

(44:39):
And dude, this guy gives upbecause the dream is you race it
in sub nine.
Under nine hours gets this bigass gold belt buckle.
Yes, and so that's our goal.
Yeah, and Charles, I'm ahead ofCharles, and he sees me on the
side and he stops, gives me histube, we fix it together, and we

(45:00):
continue on.
And at the time, like it's sohectic, but looking back, it was
one of the most special momentsof 2023 with a teammate, with a
friend, with an adult friendthat like I have become friends
with through this community.
I didn't know Charles growingup, but like he has become a
friend through cycling.
And looking back, it was one ofthe coolest things ever that he

(45:22):
would sacrifice his whole eventfor me.
I mean, technically, he thatcould have been the end of the
day for him.
But he sacrificed his day as ateammate and as a friend to give
me a tube.
Dude, we both got sub nine.
There you go.
Still walk away with thehardware.
So it was cool.
I mean, this that's the kind ofcommunity that uh I'm part of,

(45:42):
that I'm passionate about, thatI love to talk about, that I
love to be with.
And if anybody listening wantsto know, it's November 2nd, and
it is the worst time of yearbecause cycling is ending, and I
really get emotional about notbeing able to be with those
guys.

SPEAKER_01 (45:59):
And I'm sure, and it's like it sucks to you
because like cold, that's onething.
Cool, throwing some layers, longsleeves, call it cut.
But then you're like, there's nolight anymore.
There's no light do this.
It's not light till what, like7:30.
Yeah, it's miserable.
I can't golf anymore.
Well, because like this year, meand all my high school friends
kind of had this moment like,hey, we're all like helplessly

(46:20):
addicted to golf.
And like I used to be a bigweekend warrior, like Saturday,
18, Sunday 18, and that was it.
But then all these friends arelike, hey, like I can only I
have like three kids.
I can only golf like if we teeoff sometime between like six
and six thirty.
I'm like, I can wake up forthat.
And and it was so fun becauselike I was talking to Andrew
Williams, um, and we weresitting there golfing, I think
it was last week, and he's like,Eric, before this year, when was

(46:44):
the last time you called me onthe phone?
And I was like, you'reabsolutely right.
And I'm like, and now you areprobably the top five people
I've spent the most time withthis year.
And so it's so fun how it's it'sso hard for people, and like I'm
throwing myself in here becauseI will shout this from the
rooftop, but like to just callsomeone up on the phone, how are
things?
How's life?
How's it going?

(47:05):
But when you have any sort ofshared interest or hobby or
activity that brings youtogether for some reason, it
makes everything so much easier.
And even more so if it's okay,see you at this time every week,
like automating it all, then allof a sudden.
Matching outfits, too.
I'll I'll tell Andrew need toget some matching pullos.
But yeah, and I mean it's likeit's it's those little things

(47:25):
where you go from seeing, Imean, you probably didn't even
know Jake cook before bikes, andnow you see him all the time.
It was like the same thing withwith Janie Bowen.
Like that we were at dinner onetime, and she's like, Yeah, I
spent a ton of time on the bikewith Jake, and like we're really
close.
And I was like, This is sohilarious! Like, I would never
put you two in this in this roomand being friends, but you have

(47:46):
this shared experience,especially like shared trauma.
Uh, yeah, that trauma bonding ofgoing through the pain of it all
is special.
Yeah, so a couple of things Iwant to go back to that you've
talked about.
So I know you guys have teamrides at at every which cadence.
Like, so how often are you guysriding as a team versus riding
alone?
Yeah, or is there any sort ofexpectations of if you're gonna
be with us this day, this time,every so often?

SPEAKER_00 (48:09):
Great question.
We the that that is the mostpopular thing that when someone
joins a team, especially thisthing, they're like, Well, I
want to ride.
When are we riding?
When are we getting together?
It's not like guys are joiningbecause they want to match my as
much as we joke.
They don't want to match mypants.

(48:29):
I mean, I guess that's fun, butpeople want to ride together,
they want to come together.
Um, and so the team really triesto figure out a way uh
throughout the summer, so whenriding is available, that there
is something happening mostdays, whether it's a mountain
bike ride or a gravel ride or aroad ride, someone is planning

(48:51):
something somewhere for allskill levels to be part of the
group.
Um one thing that we do is we wealways do, and this is this just
started since uh 2021, everyMonday, 6 a.m.
It's like an open ride inimmigration.
Cool.
So if you're new to the team,that's where we say just come

(49:13):
see what happens, you can bewith us.
Uh all skill levels arise.
It's kind of like the great timeif someone's curious, bring your
friend.
That's it.
People we're not gonna drop, Imean, people will get dropped,
naturally, but people will staytogether.
Um, it's not like we're allriding up to this, like, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (49:32):
Because like I mean, I've seen it where like there's
obviously like the front runnergroups and then it'll be like
the kind of leading group, thenthere's like the average group,
like it kind of groups together,like any kind of large group on
cycles.

SPEAKER_00 (49:42):
That's right.
And and so the team um in thesummer manages multiple.
We try to it's planned on groupme.
We have a group me app, Stravaapp.
Uh, we try to manage differentgroups arriving at races
together.
So if a group's like, well,we're all gonna go do East
Canyon Road Race, so theycoordinate that a group
together.

(50:02):
We're all gonna do this group inLotijo, we're gonna go do this
group uh at Crusher and theTusher.
So there's all sorts ofdifferent groups that are
constantly planning and workingand being together at races and
events and rides.
So cool.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (50:15):
And then I know you guys have the team.
Um what's the phrase?
I want to say team camp, but Ithink that's right down in St.
George.
Team camp.

SPEAKER_02 (50:23):
Yeah, yeah, cool.

SPEAKER_00 (50:23):
Uh yeah, so if you don't this is kind of weird.
You guys people can laugh.
This is a really weird part ofcycling culture.
Four or five years ago, therewas this indoor cycling program
created called Zwift.
Yes.
Okay.
We laugh at it, we like we makefun of it, but then it

(50:45):
organically became half of ourteam, half of our year.
We all go inside for the winter.
Yeah.
And Zwift makes it possible foryou to ride virtually with
people who are like all over theworld.

SPEAKER_01 (51:00):
Yeah, you're all in your living room with your bike
hooked up and ride.

SPEAKER_00 (51:04):
But it has become half of our year, and the team
now has like a Zwift club wherewe organize rides, races,
events.
People join us in the winter thesame way they join us in the
summer.
And team camp comes at the endof like by the time we are just
I I can't sit inside anymore torate to ride.

(51:27):
Team camp is this incrediblebreath of fresh air down in St.
George, first of April, wherewhere a hundred or so people all
go down and we do Thursday,Friday, Saturday of Team Camp,
raffles from the team sponsors,two sponsored dinners, uh, three
different rides together.
I mean, it's like we look forwe've already set the date.

(51:48):
Jake's already planning camp fornext year.
That is how as soon as wetransition out of summer,
everyone's like, okay, well,let's plan team camp.
Like it's coming up enough.
We need it's time to startthinking about that.
Yeah, so team camp is the best.
It's it's always so fun.
Uh, we all stay in housestogether and it's the best.

SPEAKER_01 (52:05):
Sounds unreal.

SPEAKER_00 (52:06):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (52:07):
So, I mean, so obviously you've had this growth
of this community, but then likealso kind of happening at the
same time.
I feel like there's just beenthis huge growth in cycling,
especially like road cycling ingeneral.
It's true.
I mean, how have you seen thatboth like I mean, personally
cycling in in the club, and tolike to have those come together
and like be a part of all ofthat?

SPEAKER_00 (52:27):
Yeah.
We want uh Chip and I we want totake an active role in how
cycling, especially in Utah, isuh interacted with, viewed, how
this community like comestogether.
Because there's a lot more thanjust guys and gals getting
together to ride.
Like the community is special ofcyclists, whether it's um

(52:50):
providing support for each otheror an opportunity to meet new
people.
There's a lot of group rideswhere like networking and
businessing business ishappening.
And so uh, especially since thepandemic, there's been this
gigantic influx of bikes.
Like if you went in into a bikeshop at the end of 2020, there
were no bikes.
There were nothing, like, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (53:10):
There were no bikes.
I was working, I worked withsomeone who was the um uh
manager of wow, why can't Ithink of Contender on ninth and
ninth?
And there's so back, so pandemichits.
I was working at a place, gotlaid off, was sad at first, but
then I realized like my packet,like severance package was good
enough that I could go ride mybike up city because I was

(53:32):
living on like Forth West.
I was like, I'd go ride my bikeup City Creek every day, come
back, sit by the pool, and likego to the gym.
It was just like the best.
And but then I reached out toher and her husband, like, hey,
like I kind of need a new bike.
She's like, he's like, Yeah, youand everybody else.
And and I was like, Oh, that'sfunny, but really I need a bike.
It's like, no, we don't haveany.
Everybody bought bikes.

SPEAKER_00 (53:51):
Yeah.
And it was that was kind of thetime too where a lot of people
were gravitating toward acommunity of cyclists, like
outdoor people, where are wegathering, where are we going?
Uh, and so for me, Dwelly, thatwas a huge, that was a huge kind
of a change 20, 21, 22, 23.
I mean, it's a a big change inculture, young guys, um, people

(54:13):
just like getting into beingoutdoors.
And so another big change that'shappened is the is gravel.

SPEAKER_01 (54:20):
Yeah.
I mean, that is uh I mean, I sawMatt right, I mean Jay, all
those guys like all of a suddenthey're like, we're going on
trails.
They're like mountain biking.
Yeah, it's like this, it's sointeresting.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (54:28):
So it's it's been a big that's also been a huge
influx in the way uh cycling hasgrown.
A lot of new gravel events.
Um, one of the the coolestthings ever is this, it's called
the Lifetime Grand Prix.
Um, two years ago, the brandLifetime created this six-race
series throughout the UnitedStates, gravel and mountain

(54:49):
bike.
And they brought together thebest uh athletes, not road
cyclists, we're talking likeprofessional mountain bikers,
gravel racers, and they theymove them from like it it goes
all across the United Statesstarting in April and it just
ended a couple weeks ago.
And the guy that wins, my idol,like if you want to see me get

(55:10):
weird, it's Keegan Swenson.
He's from he's up in Heber, he'sthe coolest guy.
Well, I don't know if he's thecoolest guy, I think he's the
coolest guy.
To you, he is, and that's allthat matters.
If it was Kobe or Keegan, dude,I'm picking, I am picking Key.
I I will not he is a man.
Love that.
And so that he is and and guyslike him are kind of moving and

(55:31):
shifting away from becausecycling was like, we gotta ride
on the road.

SPEAKER_01 (55:35):
Right.
I mean it's you the LanceArmshot, like this like kind of
I don't want to say like stoic,but it's kind of like boring for
lack of a term.
And then all of a sudden youbring it in.
Yeah, very dangerous.
Yeah, and then you bring it intoUtah, and people are like, well,
I kind of like I like going upthe canyons, but I want to be in
the mountains a little more.

SPEAKER_00 (55:52):
And that's kind of what gravel's doing.
It's it's providing a differentview of cycling.
I can ride a gravel bike up amountain bike trail.
I can ride it on a gravel road,I can connect it from Parley's,
because I don't want to reallyride my bike on Parley's, but I
could ride this gravel bike fora bit onto a trail and then onto
the road.

(56:13):
Um, so it's it's been a reallyfun part of cycling in Utah is
kind of this shift to gravelbikes, this all-terrain bike.

SPEAKER_01 (56:20):
Yeah, and you see it all the time.
Because like I've like trailriding and yeah, I mean,
obviously, if you go, I mean,Bonne, like I go to Bonneville
Shoreline a lot, it's myfavorite spot.
And I mean, obviously, you'regonna see mountain bikers, but
then you'll be like, oh, thegravel guy.
He's and you can he's beenslogging for a while, you can
see that.
But like, totally, like to yourpoint, like if you want to go do
I mean the Parley's loop andcome back down like big, you're

(56:41):
like, I really don't want to goon Parley's, because that even
every time I'm driving up Paris,I'm like, I would hate to bike
up this right now.
Like, not just from likeobviously like the suffering and
pain perspective, but like allit takes is one person errant
swerve and rurro.

SPEAKER_02 (56:55):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (56:55):
Because like every like my my friend's uh jokes,
it's like with road biking, it'snot when you have an accident.
No, no, sorry, not if you havean accident, but when you have
that accident.
And like I had I had my so in inSeattle, so I lived in Seattle
for a period, and like that'swhere I was uh biking a lot.
It was super fun just likeexplore really, because I didn't
I wasn't from there, so I it wasit was a good way to have that.

(57:17):
And then um, there's one time Iwas if for people who know the
area, I was going around SouthLake Union and there's this path
where it's like bikers, but thenlike very close is pedestrians.
And to be fair, I was going toofast, but all of a sudden I see
this kid on like one of thosetypical, I mean it was just like
a little bike, kid couldn't havebeen older than six, and I look
at him like, he better not justperpendicularly cross in front

(57:39):
of me.
And sure enough, as I say itstraight in front of me, I
squeeze my brakes, I run intolike swerve to hit this back
tire instead of him square.
But then I go into this fenceand like my arm gets stuck in
the fence and I come to like ajerking halt.
And so I'm thinking to myself,I'm like, okay, arm's broken.
Where's my bike?
Bike looks like it's finish,might need a new tire, whatever.

(58:00):
Where's the kid?
And the kid's like kind of inshuffle.
I'm like, hey, like, where'syour adult?
Like, I need to figure this out.
And it's like 50 yards back,this guy comes running.
He's like, I'm so sorry.
I'm like, hey man, like maybe alittle closer.
Like, I realize I had someresponsibility in this, but do
that.
And like he's like, okay, do youneed a ride home?
I'm like, no, no, I do not wantto spend any more time with you
right now.
Like, you need to go.
Like, I'm not happy enough, butI don't want to be dumb.

SPEAKER_02 (58:22):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (58:22):
And so then I'm like, hey, let's, all right,
status check.
How are we feeling?
And like look at my arm.
I'm like, okay, like, notbroken, thankfully, but I
probably had this like bruisedsleeve from like my bicep all
the way down to my wrist forlike three weeks, and I had to
go to work with it, andeveryone's like, oh my, like,
what's wrong?
Like, are you okay?
Do you have a disease?
Like, what's going on?

(58:43):
And I can't remember where I wasgoing with this, but like I feel
like Parli's and like going upthere.
Like, you can ask for dangerlike more than you need to, but
you obviously don't want to.

SPEAKER_00 (58:52):
If you're me dwele, you're going up Parli's.
It's happening.
Love it.
We have to take you on it.
Deal.

SPEAKER_01 (58:58):
Deal, deal, deal.
Um, but yeah, I kind of likewhat you're talking about with
kind of this correlation betweeneverything happening with this
community you're building andduring the pandemic, because I
mean, most people during thattime felt so lonely.
And again, like maybe a lot ofwere getting into cycling and
starting to try to find this newthing, not knowing where this
happens, and all of a sudden,yeah, here's this perfect

(59:20):
community welcoming anybody whowants to be a part of this,
this, this great sport, thisgreat uh suffering together.
And and I'm sure gave people alot of um just a lot of
community during a really hardtime where people were looking
for that.
And it was really hard to begood in a mental head space.

SPEAKER_00 (59:42):
Yeah, it was.
It was good too.
Um, I don't know if youremember, but there are all
those studies that if you'reriding in a bike group, that the
spray of your mucus couldn't goback 60 yards, and I was like,
you know, we would get introuble for riding in groups and
being together because I meanthere is I granted when you're
breathing heavy, it is a it is arisk, but um, we kind of looked

(01:00:05):
at that risk and said, listen,we're a community, we're I'm
with Jake every day.
I'm going out, I'm riding withJake, I'm riding with Andy
Welch, I'm riding with RyanWelch, I'm riding with Justin
Spank.
It's like we're going out, yeah.
And it really was a fun part ofthe pandemic was was none of us
are going to work.
We're going on rides at six,we're getting back at 10.

(01:00:28):
I mean, we're doing like Tuesdayrides to Tibble Fork Reservoir
and back.
Yeah, it was the best part ofthe pandemic.
I mean, it we we all rode10,000, 12,000 miles that year.
Just so much riding.
Smiles on your face.
It was just it's funny because2021, 2022 were just like, oh,
remember though, remember that?
Remember when we could take aTuesday and ride to American

(01:00:51):
Fork Canyon and back?
Like anyway, those were thedays.
Those are the days.
No, that's awesome.

SPEAKER_01 (01:00:57):
And so obviously it's grown to the place where it
is now, but I mean, what doesthe future look like to you in
in the club?

SPEAKER_00 (01:01:04):
Yeah.
Um, so constant growth.
Uh, since Chip and I took anactive role in building, the
team just continues to grow.
So a lot of people gravitatetowards it, and it's all types
of racers, uh, all types ofriders, old dads, uh, mountain
bikers, people from out of statethat want a community.

(01:01:25):
So, all the registered teams inSalt Lake City, uh, Utah area,
you pay a fee, you get put onthe Utah Cycling Association
webpage, and you can kind oflike Like see all the different
teams that are organized and uhthe people that gravitate
towards our culture and what weoffer.
Uh, we are always welcoming.

(01:01:45):
Doesn't matter.
Uh, we're happy to have and likeI said earlier, if that's not a
great fit after you ride with usa few times, that's okay.
Uh, I try to make sure that theydon't spend thousands of dollars
on outfits before that happens.

SPEAKER_01 (01:01:58):
Yeah, before you go, you just buy like 10 kits really
quick.

SPEAKER_00 (01:02:01):
Thank you.
Because that has happened a fewtimes where I'm like, I'm sorry
about that three grand you spenton jerseys.
Uh, but the the community as awhole uh continues to grow,
continues to change.
Uh it's just uh an increase.
I hope the team knows how uhspecial they are like to each
other.
Sometimes I don't think they seethe perspective that I see of

(01:02:23):
who is doing what to build ourgroup.
Uh the constant asking of teammembers what they can do to
help, um, whether it's a guy whocrashes, so it's that's a
constant with how many people wehave.
There's always guys uh justeating crap.
It's a numbers game.
Yeah.
And so it's been standard thatwe buy him a new kit.
Like uh, we don't really likeadvertise that until I guess

(01:02:46):
right now.
I buy him a new kit, we take itover, nobody crashes on purpose
just to get a new kit.
So, but then there's like a guythat's like, Well, can I make a
gift basket for this person?
Or hey, I can donate new wheels,like his wheels got destroyed,
or um, what can we do?
Would send a meal over.
And so uh the team itselfconstantly is becoming better in

(01:03:10):
that way.
The community is becomingstronger.
Guys are uh I I always say thisto my the guys I ride with, the
people I'm with, I find it sospecial that I am growing my
group of friends.
I'm like an old older guy, andthat just I don't feel like that
is normal.
That that my circle of peoplethat are close is becoming

(01:03:34):
bigger.
And it's special.

SPEAKER_01 (01:03:36):
Not a normal trend, right?

SPEAKER_00 (01:03:37):
I mean, it's like oh, we've got these friends from
high school we still hang outwith, and these people from my
church.
Uh, but I'm like meeting newpeople in this group, and then
I'm like, you are now reallyspecial to me, and I didn't know
you two years ago, and that isthe direction that I hope we are
headed, that there are more andmore people that feel the way
that I feel when they are withthe group.

(01:04:00):
Um there's a guy, his name'sBrad Clifford.
He went to the he went to theUniversity of Utah, played
football, and he went toOlympus, and I know his family
growing up.
And he is like on this mar he'sjust a friend.
He's on this marching path thatmore men need to be more
passionate about being friendswith each other.

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And it's like a special thingthat I've tried to take on.
Like I can I can be a friendthat really cares and that loves
other men.
And that is like a really goodthing.
That I can be vulnerable with mycycling community and and check
up on them.
And if I feel like somebody'snot doing well, like I can say
something.

(01:04:41):
Yeah.
And that is the direction I feeland hope that this group is
transitioning and uh is doing islike true caring, not just like
go to immigration.

SPEAKER_01 (01:04:53):
Yeah, don't not just going through the motions of
like what someone should do, butlike actually heartfelt thought
about like that example, like,hey, like I saw his wheels
broke, like I have these, Ihaven't been using them, they're
like perfect condition.
Can we get them into a likewhere it's not like, oh, hey,
all right, raise of hands,here's the sign-up sheet, we're
gonna pass it around again.
But like that, that showing upbecause like I like what you're

(01:05:14):
talking about, this trend ofyour circles growing where most
people in your situation wouldsee the opposite happening.
And even more so, like it's notgrowing just by like
acquaintances, it's not thatjust this like ominous number of
like, oh, well, I know 500people, like how cool am I?
But it's the quality of therelationships being there too.
Because I'm with you, likethere's so many people who have

(01:05:34):
these groups of friends,acquaintances, and everything,
but there's no one that they canfeel like they can go to to talk
to about anything.
And it's it's sad.
Like, and I'm I mean, we allfeel like that in some parts of
life, we can't talk to someone.
I mean, I don't want to say likedesert like depression
specifically, but like theirlife's hard.

(01:05:54):
And if you can't actually havesomeone where they're like, hey,
how are you doing?
You're like, actually, you know,it's been a rough week.
Like, right, pop a seat, let'schat.

SPEAKER_00 (01:06:02):
And there's no better place than on a ride to
do that.

SPEAKER_01 (01:06:06):
Exactly.
You're there, you're doing ittogether, you're not going
anywhere else.
There's no distractions, evenmore so.
It's not like kids are runningup or like the slack's going off
or all these things.
It's like, hey, we're gonna beon this bike for the next hour
and a half, two hours, threehours, five hours, 17 hours.
We'll stop.
Let's let's chat.

SPEAKER_00 (01:06:21):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (01:06:22):
And that's where those that that is where the
culture comes in.
It who cares what color yourjersey is, who cares what how
nice your bike is, but showingup authentically for people and
being there is is what makes itall worth it.
Yeah.
In my in the back of my mind,though, I will be judging your
bike.
Noted.
You noted.
Hey Siri, you remind me to buyan S Works if I ever decide to

(01:06:43):
go and make sure it's tuned.
Yeah, very well.
Um, no, I love that.
So I mean, just to kind of givecredit where credit's due, I
mean, who are who have been someof these sponsors that have been
helping out with the club fromday one or have joined on along
the way?

SPEAKER_00 (01:06:56):
Yeah, so the neat one of the neatest parts about
Me Dwele is the sponsors are inour internal.
So we're not out like sponsorus.
Yeah, you're not fundraising.
No, this is team members who areconcerned about the growth and
what what we're doing as a as ateam.
They want to be uh recognizedand um they want to have their

(01:07:18):
logos on the jersey, featured onthe podcast, part of our
giveaways and raffles.
So barbacoa has always been ahuge part of our team.
Um, maybe not so much now, butthey really can deserve credit
for years and years of feedingthe team, constantly providing
discounts to the team.
I mean, you feed a lot of carbsif you're riding your pipe that

(01:07:40):
much.
And if you know the old jerseys,like the old Midwele kits were
like these big barbacoa flames.
Yep.
They were awful.
But I mean, that was a huge partof our our team growing up.
Um, so uh, but uh a new our newmain sponsor, so uh
cyclingupgrades.com, a teammember, Corby down in uh Utah

(01:08:03):
County.
So his business is the the newgeneration of uh sponsors of the
of the team.
And not just that, but his hisbusiness itself takes your old
nasty gear, like your bike, andhe upgrades it to he helps you
he'll buy it, and he'll upgradeit, and he'll do wheels or

(01:08:23):
frames or uh whatever you wantto anything that you want to do
for the team, cycling upgradesis a huge sponsor.
He's constantly running raffleson our like our Zwift and he
does weekly challenges.
Um yeah.
But all the sponsors on our teamare they're all guys that are
just part of the squad.

SPEAKER_01 (01:08:44):
Yeah, they're they're next to you, they're not
just it's awesome.

SPEAKER_00 (01:08:47):
Just giving you money because he asked for it.
Yeah.
I mean, we have one sponsor thathe's not on the jersey, but Eric
Ellis makes this new he makesthis powder.
It's called Formula 369.
And it's like a new, I don'tknow, it's a drink mix.
And the team is like thelaunching pad for this guy's
product.
And it's just been it's stufflike that.

(01:09:08):
It's really fun to watch thecommunity rally behind our
sponsors.

SPEAKER_01 (01:09:11):
Especially people like I mean, nearby local, I
mean, businesses, like I mean,just like the 369 powder, like,
what better way to be like, allright, product development?
How would we feel about thatflavor?
It's like that sucked.
Never give that to me again.
He's like, Cool, noted.
Here's this new one.
Rocks, love it.
Or just like to be able to havethose people to help, but then
also realize, like, yeah, that'snot the only reason they're

(01:09:33):
there.

SPEAKER_00 (01:09:33):
Yeah, that's a good group.
It's a it's a really fun groupof uh sponsors that they're
always there for us.
So yeah, cool.

SPEAKER_01 (01:09:40):
So Steve, you want to end with uh the two questions
I always do.
But the first one is if youcould have somebody be on the
Small Lake City podcast, whowould you want to hear their
story from?
Uh one of my good friends, AdamBarker.
Okay.

SPEAKER_00 (01:09:53):
So Adam Barker is a local photographer, and his
story is just awesome.
Um, you know, didn't set out tobe this professional action
photographer, didn't set out tobe this landscape, um, but he is
like this self-made businessmanthat just hustles and he grinds
and he loves Utah.

(01:10:14):
He's a teammate of mine.
He loves the outdoors, everyeverything about what he brings
to our team and my friendship.
His story is really it.
I would love to hear what hebrings.
And he knows the community,knows all the extreme athletes.
He's a fly fisherman, you know,he's into Moto, he's a mountain
bike rider.
I was like a Utah guy throughand through.

(01:10:36):
Yeah, I think you went to East.
I mean, he's just like he's um,yeah, so he'd be awesome.
Did you say two people or one?
I mean, however many you wantto.
That's good.
Cool.
I'd love to hear from Jay Cookif you bring him in.
We can do that.
Although he ditched me today onthe podcast, so maybe not.
Maybe put him in put him intimeout for a bit.

SPEAKER_01 (01:10:53):
He'll I'll I'll pull that IOU from him.
And then last question if peopleare curious or want to join, uh,
I mean, where the can they findyou on social website or or
what's the best way about goingabout that?

SPEAKER_00 (01:11:02):
Yeah.
So medwele.com.
Um, that's it.
That's the best place.
Cool.
That'll show all of our so wehave 94 different podcasts.

SPEAKER_01 (01:11:11):
So I try sorry, I thought like podcasts, like
individual podcasting episodes,but yes, episodes.

SPEAKER_00 (01:11:17):
So 94 episodes.
Got it.
Um, where the idea behind it waslet's just interview guys on the
team to make sure that we allknow each other and the culture
stays strong.
So that is a huge part of ifthis is a good fit for you.
That's on that's on the website.
All the bios, I don't know ifthat's the great best word for

(01:11:38):
our yellow jerseys.
So you could read three or fourof those and be like, uh, not
for me.
Or be like, yeah, this is theseare kind of guys I want to hang
out with.

SPEAKER_02 (01:11:45):
Yep.

SPEAKER_00 (01:11:46):
Um, so you can click there.
Medwelly.com also has ourInstagram page, which I spend a
lot of time kind of crafting andbuilding and trying to tell our
story.
Um, so yeah, me dwele.com.
Should I spell it?
I think so.
I got M-I-D-U-O-L-E dot com.
Me dwelly.

(01:12:07):
There it is.

unknown (01:12:08):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (01:12:08):
If you want to join the Zwift group, if you want to
join the Strava group, if youwant to see what it's all about,
or go spend five grand on kits.
Yes.
That's the place to start.

SPEAKER_00 (01:12:16):
That's the way to start.
And my my cell phone's on there,my email's on there.
So if you're interested in evenjust joining us for rides, uh,
some guys are like, I'll join ona ride, and then we don't see
them for a year, and thenthey're like, Okay, I'm ready.
I'm ready.
I'll come.
It's time.
Yeah, and it's fine.
And that that's a great way todo it too.
Um, there's really no wrong orright way how to interact with
the team.

(01:12:36):
Some guys come on one ride ayear, some are there, like you
said, every single time.
And that's the beauty of how thecommunity runs.
It's like, I don't prescribe toyou how to belong.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (01:12:46):
Um the to-do list of if you want to be here, here's
what you have to do.

SPEAKER_00 (01:12:50):
No.
So that's it, man.

SPEAKER_01 (01:12:51):
So there it is.
Yeah, if you want to join, go tome dwelling.com, check it out.

SPEAKER_00 (01:12:56):
Um blood test, blood immigration time.
Back.
And if you have an S Works.

SPEAKER_01 (01:13:01):
Yeah, there you go.
That's it.
So thank you so much.
It's been so fun to learn moreabout this cool community you've
been creating and fostering.
And can I watch it grow fromhere?
So thanks for coming on andexcited for the future for it.

SPEAKER_00 (01:13:12):
Yeah, man, it's been fun.
I uh interview a lot of people,so it's fun to be interviewed.
It's cool.
It's always nice to flip thescript.
It's nice.
I hope I don't sound dumb.
So I've never been like being onthis side is an interesting part
of uh like having done this somany times.
This has been cool.
So thanks, appreciate it.
Absolutely.
Thanks for coming.

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