October 8, 2024 • 19 mins
In this episode, Nicky and Ness dive into the essential topic of managing your energy. They explore how different work styles and energy rhythms impact performance, especially for those with neurodivergent brains. They discuss the importance of understanding energy gainers and drainers, and how behavioural profiling, like DISC, can help. Nicky shares her journey of embracing her natural energy rhythm, while Ness highlights the benefits of flexible work environments.
Episode Highlights:
- Identifying energy gainers and drainers
- The impact of DISC profiling on energy management
- Nicky's ADHD diagnosis and energy realisation
- The role of flexibility in healthy hustle
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Nicky (00:04):
Welcome to the Smart Business Growth Podcast with N
and.
Ness.
Ness (00:11):
We would like to acknowledge the traditional
custodians of country, theTurrbal and Bunurong people of
Brisbane and Melbournerespectively, where N and I both
work and live both work andlive.
Nicky (00:31):
Managing your energy oh my goodness, this is an
important conversation to have.
Not only is it an essentialingredient for healthy hustle,
it's kind of a no brainer interms of how we move through our
day.
We all work differently.
So, again, what works for oneperson is going to be different
to another, and I know for mepersonally, back in the 10, 12
years ago, part of my problemwas that I was trying to fit
(00:52):
into the norm ways of workingthis nine to five, which was
actually eight to seven orwhatever it might've been.
And I know one thing in termsof understanding managing energy
finding out that I had aneurodivergent brain at 43 years
old, or young 43 years young itactually made more sense as to
why I couldn't nail or get thismanaging energy thing right,
(01:15):
because I was trying to fit intoa structure that didn't support
my natural rhythm and way ofworking.
Now, so you know, sometimes Ihave such bursts of energy
whether this is fact or not butI feel like I can do the work of
10 people in one hour.
That's what it feels like.
I don't know if that is a factand then sometimes I need to
pull back and I need to rechargeand I have the flexibility to
(01:36):
be able to do that, and a lot ofwork environments now are also
supporting and promoting thoseflexible working environments
which are so important in termsof managing energy.
Managing energy meansunderstanding your energy
gainers the things that give youenergy and your energy drainers
the things that drain yourenergy.
(01:58):
So if you, as a business owner,are creating an environment
where you can support your teamin terms of how each individual
needs to manage their energy and, as a business owner leader
yourself, you understand whatyou need and what you need to
ask for and how people cansupport you and you can support
them, then you are in a muchbetter position to be able to
(02:21):
manage energy of not justyourself, but the people around
you, and this is also aninteresting dynamic because you
manage your energy different tome.
So this goes so far beyondthings like just the essentials.
The essentials are importantsleep, water, exercise.
Yes, we need to have thosethings in place, but today what
we're talking about is the nextlayer, the next level.
(02:42):
It's things like the time ofday that we work, the type of
work that we do.
How do we recharge ourbatteries?
What type of movement forexercise is right for each of us
, for our unique bodies.
So I think a great place tostart here would be delving a
little bit into things like thetype of work we do, how we
(03:02):
communicate, what recharges ourbatteries, and I know we're both
very passionate aboutbehavioural profiling.
So what do you think is a keyconsideration when we're talking
about these aspects?
Ness (03:15):
I think that we probably have alluded to this over time
that when we look at DISCprofiling, so we love DISC as a
behavioural profiling model andit's just a model.
It isn't saying that this isyour whole identity, this is who
you are as a person.
I love to talk about it as apredictor of human behavior and
it is about energy.
So some things come reallynaturally to us and other things
(03:38):
require more energy.
It's as simple as that, andwhat we love for us and our
business is that we have allfour styles.
So we are very differentBetween the two of us, between
the two of us.
Nicky (03:50):
Yes, thank you.
Ness (03:52):
Between the two of us, we cover all four different styles,
which means that there aresometimes, you know, something
that really energizes you.
N is an energy drainer to meand, until I understood, you
know, in the context ofsomething that made sense to me
around.
Oh, that's why I do what I doand I don't do the things that I
know I should do and that Icontinue to avoid because they
(04:14):
feel harder, they feel like, oh,it's more draining.
It's that whole thing about.
It's not sustainable to beconstantly using your energy in
a way that doesn't comenaturally to you.
So probably the best examplethat I have in our business is
that difference between theextroversion and the
introversion, and we talk aboutextroversion and introversion
(04:36):
not just in that people who aremore bubbly are extroverted and
people who are really shy areintroverted.
Not at that level, but morearound.
Where do you draw your energyfrom?
So for me, as an introvert, Idraw my energy from within.
For you, more on theextroverted scale, you draw your
energy from other people aroundyou, and so in a work context,
(04:59):
the way this plays out for me isI love facilitating and
delivering to big teams and, youknow, doing a full day workshop
for clients is just lovefacilitating and delivering to
big teams and doing a full dayworkshop for clients is just
such a buzz.
But then I'm drained becauseit's not where I external like
people external to me isn'twhere I draw my energy from.
I draw it from space and timealone.
And so the flip of that is whenI have back-to-back-to-back
(05:21):
coaching sessions one-on-onecoaching sessions that energizes
me.
I can finish the end of the dayand feel like I could just
start the day all over againbecause I'm all good energy-wise
.
But I know for you we've talkedabout that that's more energy
draining for you because of theone-on-one contact.
So just something as simple asthat is really really important
(05:42):
to know.
And I remember back into myprevious business is a really
really important to know.
And I remember back into myprevious business.
There was one particularThursday.
I had a regular fortnightlyclient that I was on site for
them every second Thursdayintending one of their meetings
and I had done back-to-backexternal facilitation events and
I was pretty exhausted by thetime.
Thursday rolled around and oneof the clients in the room just
(06:05):
looked at me and went you lookreally tired today, like I
didn't even open my mouth, andit was just a reminder that to
manage my energy, I can't dothat and expect to turn up fully
energized and with it.
So in a work situation, it'saround looking at how can my
clients get the best out of me,how can I be at my peak for them
(06:28):
, and I have to really managethe energy.
And, as you said, yes, sleep,yes, food, yes, yes to all of
that.
That's really important.
But understanding this driveraround, what comes naturally to
me is different to what comesnaturally to you and we both
have to honor that.
And I think about what you saidearlier around you can do the
work of 10 people.
I would say you could do thework of 10 Nickies.
(06:50):
When you're in that mode and Iused to, I remember, you know,
prior to the ADHD diagnosis Iused to perhaps be a little bit
more of the tough cop around.
N, I don't think you should beworking late and we run this
business and we talk abouthealthy household and blah, blah
, blah, and then over time I'vecome to realize that actually
(07:11):
that is something that worksreally well for you, because
you're very good at then makingsure at some point you get that
downtime and that you doeverything you need to do to
recharge and you're reallyfocused on that.
So there's no right or wrong,it's what's right or wrong for
us as an individual.
And I think that is soimportant when we look at energy
(07:31):
, when we look at healthy hustle, because it's not fair for me
to say to you you're hustlingand that's just not okay.
And you know, have a real go atyou when you go, because I know
in those hyper fixation kind ofmoments, but you can actually
do the work of 10 of you in thathour and then you compensate
for that in other ways Would youagree with that.
Nicky (07:54):
Absolutely, and this is why I think as well, like if I
look at trying to fit intoshowing up consistently same
amount of energy every singleday that works for some people
and it doesn't work for otherpeople, or you're not going to
get the best out of people, likethat's the thing.
So, and even in my personalexperience, that for sure is a
part of what led to the burnoutand all the repeat patterns.
(08:15):
So if we can createenvironments where there's that
flexibility but the thing aboutthis as well is the support and
understanding.
So I don't feel judged by you, Ifeel supported by you and I
trust vice versa as well becauseI'm not then going to go well,
hang on, why are you doing adifferent way of working on
different like it's?
We're working towards outcomesand we're getting to know
(08:38):
ourselves better and better andbetter.
And I mean, you know, again,I'm in my forties, you're in
your fifties, we're figuringthis stuff out now, so imagine
if we could have figured thisout 20 years ago.
How amazing is that?
And even around what you'retalking about, yeah, like what
drains our energy?
Is it being around people?
Is it being on our own, thetype of work, like?
You've touched on so manydifferent examples there, and it
(09:00):
doesn't mean that we don't dothe type of work that maybe
drains our energy.
We you and I still love thatwork, so we're really aware of.
Well, how do we re-energize?
And for those people that arelistening and you know viewing,
then the questions that I wantyou to reflect around this as
we're talking through this is mywork, fuel me, is in the
(09:20):
enjoyment, yeah, and does itdrain my energy?
They can be two separate thingsfuel my soul and drain my
energy, hopefully, because Imean, that's that's kind of what
we also were just talking aboutwhat hopefully it's not
draining and doesn't fuel yoursoul, you know.
But then if you refer toanother podcast episode we did
around direction and knowingyour true north, if that's the,
(09:41):
maybe it's because it feeds intoa personal vision Like there
has to be a reason for it to bethe healthy hustle of why you
keep getting up and keeping ongoing.
Ness (09:49):
So I trust that also makes sense to add on to yeah, and I
think what I'd add to that isfor everybody that I have come
across in business and inworkplace.
There are tasks you need to dothat don't light you up, that's
just reality, right, and it'sabout managing your energy in a
way that allows you to still getdone what you have to get done,
(10:11):
but choosing the appropriatescenario that's going to work
for you.
And I remember one of myclients previously who was
learning about discs.
She was like somebody who wasmore big picture, really liked
variety and adventure and fun,and then she would have to do
her GST statements each quarter.
Nicky (10:32):
Yeah, that's exactly what she looked like.
Are you talking about me here?
I don't know, I don't do that.
Ness (10:38):
I remember her saying to me it's like oh, I have that
whole like three days blockedout and I just have to lock
myself away and I have to do it,and she goes.
I don't understand it.
Like I've got a deadline, Ikeep putting it off and I don't
do it and I never get around toit because I'm dreading it, and
you know.
The conversation then becameabout don't do, don't torture
yourself with that.
How can you do you know a chunkof time on that and then reward
(11:01):
yourself with going out forcoffee with someone or doing
something that's quite get outin the farm, whatever it takes
for you to chunk it down so thatyou are honoring your energy
over the day and yet stillfocusing on the things that
don't come naturally, that youmust get done in order to be
able to run your business.
So I think that there's so muchdepth.
You know how much I and we lovedisk profiling, but it's one
(11:25):
component.
It goes such a long way tounderstanding your energy levels
, particularly when you are justdrained of all energy because
you are constantly doing thingsthat aren't honoring what comes
naturally.
But that's just one.
What's another one, nick?
Nicky (11:41):
When I think about managing energy.
So we've got our foundationalbasics, we've got all of these
behavioral type of ways that wecan manage our energy.
Another big one that's had aprofound impact on me personally
and I think I'm sure somepeople have heard about this is
epigenetics.
So epigenetics is a body ofresearch that basically looks at
your body type.
It's really fascinatingactually, and I know when I did
(12:05):
my epigenetics report with ahealth coach, what I realized
and what I learned is that,dependent on our body type, it's
kind of like disc but for thebody actually, and it does
incorporate some things frombehavioral profiling.
But again, it's more thephysical and the physical
environment.
So it takes you through thefact that we have different
schedules and routines aroundthings like food, sleep, types
(12:28):
of exercise, when to eat, whento exercise, when to start work
these kinds of things we allhave depending on the type of
body we have.
There's uniqueness there.
It talks about physicalenvironments, things that will
affect us in physicalenvironments and help us feel
motivated and energized ordepleted, or energy gainers and
(12:49):
energy drainers, the type ofcareers that we have that will
benefit us social requirements.
So again, there is some overlapthere as well the terminology
they use, which I love, is thatfocusing on these different
areas can give you smooth energythroughout the day, smooth
energy and it really encourageshumans to look at what is
(13:09):
uniquely right for me.
So I love this combination oflooking at behavior, looking at
mindset, looking at our body,and when we can combine these
aspects around mindset andempowered truth that we've
talked about and we'll talkabout previously, when we
combine that with our naturalbehavioral styles that we talked
about with DISC, and then ourphysical requirements and needs
(13:32):
that are dependent on our bodytype, this is actually where we
get the unique blueprint for theindividual to live that healthy
, happy life.
And if we can then apply thatto the work environment, to the
business, to our relationships,to the way that we focus on
health and wellbeing, to the waywe have fun, I mean, that's
(13:53):
what it's about, right.
Ness (13:55):
And it's so true, and I think we come back to that
definition of healthy hustle.
It is dependent on the thingsthat are important to you, that
give you energy, where youunderstand the layers of
yourself, whether it be throughprofiling tools like DISC, like
epigenetics, and I think thatyou know that is what we want to
(14:20):
say in relation to we can talkabout.
We talk about that sweet spotright, finding the sweet spot
between hustle and between youknow, managing our health.
So it really is about lookingat each of these in relation to
our energy levels and becauseour energy is going to determine
what we do and how well we doit and where we focus our
(14:44):
attention.
Nicky (14:45):
Totally, and our energy is what like.
It can help us feel energized,but it also gets us ready to
face whatever is thrown at us inthe day.
Because when we're focusing onhealthy hustle, that doesn't
mean that we don't have to workhard, it's just we're working
hard, resourcefully.
That doesn't mean that we don'thave adversity.
That doesn't mean we don't havecrap days.
That doesn't mean, you know, westill have those.
But when we're focusing on andactually the combination of
(15:06):
beliefs, energy and direction,and particularly this energy
piece we're talking about now,it means that we are like, okay,
we can do this, we can getthrough this, instead of
whatever is thrown at us.
It tips us over the edge andwe're a melting pot on the floor
, or that might still happen,but we get up a little bit
quicker.
Ness (15:25):
Well, it's about resilience, isn't it?
It's about the resilience thatwe have to bounce back from
adversity, and that means thatwe need to know what's going to
work for us, because what worksfor me and what works for you
are different.
We've learned that over theyears, that my way to recharge
is very different to your way torecharge.
As we know, when I come up andvisit you and we do facilitation
(15:47):
together and I get home and go,okay, bye-bye, and I go off to
my room into my bedroom and thenI'm like oh Jules, this
happened and this happened oh mygosh, yeah, totally.
I'm like oh Jules, this happenedand this happened.
Oh my gosh, yeah, totally.
Nicky (15:56):
I really like.
There's this analogy inepigenetics that I'll kind of
close out on before I throw toyou.
For the actionable action.
There's different.
I only know two of them.
I only remember two of them,but I remember I was likened to
and I was very upset about this.
It challenged all my identitybeliefs when I was told by the
health coach that I was like acruise ship.
Ness (16:16):
A cruise ship.
Where's this going?
Nicky (16:17):
Like a big heavy cruise ship people.
I was like what A cruise shipis.
Slow to get started.
Slower in the morning, it takesa little while, but then once a
cruise ship gets started Iactually haven't been on a
cruise ship, but this is what Ihear it's powerful, like when
it's out on the open waters,good luck stopping it.
It is a force of nature.
(16:39):
It is powerful.
Other people are like a jet skiand this is where the identity
crisis happened to me.
But I want to be a jet ski, jetski types of body.
They get up, they're upstraight away, they're boom,
let's go, and they're out on thewater like zero to to 100k in
less than five seconds.
Now I went through so much ofmy life thinking that I was a
jet ski, but really I am acruise ship.
(17:02):
What do you think that did tomy energy?
I was getting up and doing theexercise classes at 6am in the
morning.
I literally would go to bedsome days at 6 30 pm because I
couldn't handle my handle theenergy of it.
Like I thought I was a jet ski,but really I was a cruise ship.
When I embraced that, that'swhen I started to do exercise
(17:23):
later in the day.
Don't start work till 10.
Definitely, just don't talk tome for the first hour, although
that's dependent on who you talkto.
But you know like.
So all of a sudden I couldembrace that energy and I want
to leave people with thisthought, because are you really
a cruise ship and you thinkyou're a jet ski or the other
way around, and there's allthese other types?
But it's really looking at, youwill know what fuels your
(17:46):
energy, because you'll feel it.
And so, ness, on that note.
What do we want to close out on?
What do we want to get peopleto do in the next 24 hours?
Well, look.
Ness (17:54):
I would say that if you are connecting with hustle at
the moment, if you're feelinglike you're in this constant
grind around hustle, thequestion then is you know, how
do I feel in my body right now?
Does this feel right to me?
Because, as you said, gettingup and doing a 5am gym class
when you're a cruise ship is notfeeling good in your body right
(18:16):
now.
So I think that's reallyimportant for those feeling
caught in hustle and for thosewho perhaps aren't feeling
caught in hustle and are more inthe healthy hustle, then the
question is similar, like whatare you doing that feels good in
your body right now?
And do more of that.
Nicky (18:33):
Love that.
What a great conversation.
Thank you everybody for joiningus.
Ness (18:38):
We'll talk to you again next week.
Bye, thanks for listening totoday's ep.
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and let's continue theconversation over there.
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peak performance.
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(19:02):
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(19:22):
Until next time, happylistening and here's to thriving
in business and in life.
Welcome to the Smart Business Growth Podcast with N
and.
Ness.
Ness (00:11):
We would like to acknowledge the traditional
custodians of country, theTurrbal and Bunurong people of
Brisbane and Melbournerespectively, where N and I both
work and live both work andlive.
Nicky (00:31):
Managing your energy oh my goodness, this is an
important conversation to have.
Not only is it an essentialingredient for healthy hustle,
it's kind of a no brainer interms of how we move through our
day.
We all work differently.
So, again, what works for oneperson is going to be different
to another, and I know for mepersonally, back in the 10, 12
years ago, part of my problemwas that I was trying to fit
(00:52):
into the norm ways of workingthis nine to five, which was
actually eight to seven orwhatever it might've been.
And I know one thing in termsof understanding managing energy
finding out that I had aneurodivergent brain at 43 years
old, or young 43 years young itactually made more sense as to
why I couldn't nail or get thismanaging energy thing right,
(01:15):
because I was trying to fit intoa structure that didn't support
my natural rhythm and way ofworking.
Now, so you know, sometimes Ihave such bursts of energy
whether this is fact or not butI feel like I can do the work of
10 people in one hour.
That's what it feels like.
I don't know if that is a factand then sometimes I need to
pull back and I need to rechargeand I have the flexibility to
(01:36):
be able to do that, and a lot ofwork environments now are also
supporting and promoting thoseflexible working environments
which are so important in termsof managing energy.
Managing energy meansunderstanding your energy
gainers the things that give youenergy and your energy drainers
the things that drain yourenergy.
(01:58):
So if you, as a business owner,are creating an environment
where you can support your teamin terms of how each individual
needs to manage their energy and, as a business owner leader
yourself, you understand whatyou need and what you need to
ask for and how people cansupport you and you can support
them, then you are in a muchbetter position to be able to
(02:21):
manage energy of not justyourself, but the people around
you, and this is also aninteresting dynamic because you
manage your energy different tome.
So this goes so far beyondthings like just the essentials.
The essentials are importantsleep, water, exercise.
Yes, we need to have thosethings in place, but today what
we're talking about is the nextlayer, the next level.
(02:42):
It's things like the time ofday that we work, the type of
work that we do.
How do we recharge ourbatteries?
What type of movement forexercise is right for each of us
, for our unique bodies.
So I think a great place tostart here would be delving a
little bit into things like thetype of work we do, how we
(03:02):
communicate, what recharges ourbatteries, and I know we're both
very passionate aboutbehavioural profiling.
So what do you think is a keyconsideration when we're talking
about these aspects?
Ness (03:15):
I think that we probably have alluded to this over time
that when we look at DISCprofiling, so we love DISC as a
behavioural profiling model andit's just a model.
It isn't saying that this isyour whole identity, this is who
you are as a person.
I love to talk about it as apredictor of human behavior and
it is about energy.
So some things come reallynaturally to us and other things
(03:38):
require more energy.
It's as simple as that, andwhat we love for us and our
business is that we have allfour styles.
So we are very differentBetween the two of us, between
the two of us.
Nicky (03:50):
Yes, thank you.
Ness (03:52):
Between the two of us, we cover all four different styles,
which means that there aresometimes, you know, something
that really energizes you.
N is an energy drainer to meand, until I understood, you
know, in the context ofsomething that made sense to me
around.
Oh, that's why I do what I doand I don't do the things that I
know I should do and that Icontinue to avoid because they
(04:14):
feel harder, they feel like, oh,it's more draining.
It's that whole thing about.
It's not sustainable to beconstantly using your energy in
a way that doesn't comenaturally to you.
So probably the best examplethat I have in our business is
that difference between theextroversion and the
introversion, and we talk aboutextroversion and introversion
(04:36):
not just in that people who aremore bubbly are extroverted and
people who are really shy areintroverted.
Not at that level, but morearound.
Where do you draw your energyfrom?
So for me, as an introvert, Idraw my energy from within.
For you, more on theextroverted scale, you draw your
energy from other people aroundyou, and so in a work context,
(04:59):
the way this plays out for me isI love facilitating and
delivering to big teams and, youknow, doing a full day workshop
for clients is just lovefacilitating and delivering to
big teams and doing a full dayworkshop for clients is just
such a buzz.
But then I'm drained becauseit's not where I external like
people external to me isn'twhere I draw my energy from.
I draw it from space and timealone.
And so the flip of that is whenI have back-to-back-to-back
(05:21):
coaching sessions one-on-onecoaching sessions that energizes
me.
I can finish the end of the dayand feel like I could just
start the day all over againbecause I'm all good energy-wise
.
But I know for you we've talkedabout that that's more energy
draining for you because of theone-on-one contact.
So just something as simple asthat is really really important
(05:42):
to know.
And I remember back into myprevious business is a really
really important to know.
And I remember back into myprevious business.
There was one particularThursday.
I had a regular fortnightlyclient that I was on site for
them every second Thursdayintending one of their meetings
and I had done back-to-backexternal facilitation events and
I was pretty exhausted by thetime.
Thursday rolled around and oneof the clients in the room just
(06:05):
looked at me and went you lookreally tired today, like I
didn't even open my mouth, andit was just a reminder that to
manage my energy, I can't dothat and expect to turn up fully
energized and with it.
So in a work situation, it'saround looking at how can my
clients get the best out of me,how can I be at my peak for them
(06:28):
, and I have to really managethe energy.
And, as you said, yes, sleep,yes, food, yes, yes to all of
that.
That's really important.
But understanding this driveraround, what comes naturally to
me is different to what comesnaturally to you and we both
have to honor that.
And I think about what you saidearlier around you can do the
work of 10 people.
I would say you could do thework of 10 Nickies.
(06:50):
When you're in that mode and Iused to, I remember, you know,
prior to the ADHD diagnosis Iused to perhaps be a little bit
more of the tough cop around.
N, I don't think you should beworking late and we run this
business and we talk abouthealthy household and blah, blah
, blah, and then over time I'vecome to realize that actually
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that is something that worksreally well for you, because
you're very good at then makingsure at some point you get that
downtime and that you doeverything you need to do to
recharge and you're reallyfocused on that.
So there's no right or wrong,it's what's right or wrong for
us as an individual.
And I think that is soimportant when we look at energy
(07:31):
, when we look at healthy hustle, because it's not fair for me
to say to you you're hustlingand that's just not okay.
And you know, have a real go atyou when you go, because I know
in those hyper fixation kind ofmoments, but you can actually
do the work of 10 of you in thathour and then you compensate
for that in other ways Would youagree with that.
Nicky (07:54):
Absolutely, and this is why I think as well, like if I
look at trying to fit intoshowing up consistently same
amount of energy every singleday that works for some people
and it doesn't work for otherpeople, or you're not going to
get the best out of people, likethat's the thing.
So, and even in my personalexperience, that for sure is a
part of what led to the burnoutand all the repeat patterns.
(08:15):
So if we can createenvironments where there's that
flexibility but the thing aboutthis as well is the support and
understanding.
So I don't feel judged by you, Ifeel supported by you and I
trust vice versa as well becauseI'm not then going to go well,
hang on, why are you doing adifferent way of working on
different like it's?
We're working towards outcomesand we're getting to know
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ourselves better and better andbetter.
And I mean, you know, again,I'm in my forties, you're in
your fifties, we're figuringthis stuff out now, so imagine
if we could have figured thisout 20 years ago.
How amazing is that?
And even around what you'retalking about, yeah, like what
drains our energy?
Is it being around people?
Is it being on our own, thetype of work, like?
You've touched on so manydifferent examples there, and it
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doesn't mean that we don't dothe type of work that maybe
drains our energy.
We you and I still love thatwork, so we're really aware of.
Well, how do we re-energize?
And for those people that arelistening and you know viewing,
then the questions that I wantyou to reflect around this as
we're talking through this is mywork, fuel me, is in the
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enjoyment, yeah, and does itdrain my energy?
They can be two separate thingsfuel my soul and drain my
energy, hopefully, because Imean, that's that's kind of what
we also were just talking aboutwhat hopefully it's not
draining and doesn't fuel yoursoul, you know.
But then if you refer toanother podcast episode we did
around direction and knowingyour true north, if that's the,
(09:41):
maybe it's because it feeds intoa personal vision Like there
has to be a reason for it to bethe healthy hustle of why you
keep getting up and keeping ongoing.
Ness (09:49):
So I trust that also makes sense to add on to yeah, and I
think what I'd add to that isfor everybody that I have come
across in business and inworkplace.
There are tasks you need to dothat don't light you up, that's
just reality, right, and it'sabout managing your energy in a
way that allows you to still getdone what you have to get done,
(10:11):
but choosing the appropriatescenario that's going to work
for you.
And I remember one of myclients previously who was
learning about discs.
She was like somebody who wasmore big picture, really liked
variety and adventure and fun,and then she would have to do
her GST statements each quarter.
Nicky (10:32):
Yeah, that's exactly what she looked like.
Are you talking about me here?
I don't know, I don't do that.
Ness (10:38):
I remember her saying to me it's like oh, I have that
whole like three days blockedout and I just have to lock
myself away and I have to do it,and she goes.
I don't understand it.
Like I've got a deadline, Ikeep putting it off and I don't
do it and I never get around toit because I'm dreading it, and
you know.
The conversation then becameabout don't do, don't torture
yourself with that.
How can you do you know a chunkof time on that and then reward
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yourself with going out forcoffee with someone or doing
something that's quite get outin the farm, whatever it takes
for you to chunk it down so thatyou are honoring your energy
over the day and yet stillfocusing on the things that
don't come naturally, that youmust get done in order to be
able to run your business.
So I think that there's so muchdepth.
You know how much I and we lovedisk profiling, but it's one
(11:25):
component.
It goes such a long way tounderstanding your energy levels
, particularly when you are justdrained of all energy because
you are constantly doing thingsthat aren't honoring what comes
naturally.
But that's just one.
What's another one, nick?
Nicky (11:41):
When I think about managing energy.
So we've got our foundationalbasics, we've got all of these
behavioral type of ways that wecan manage our energy.
Another big one that's had aprofound impact on me personally
and I think I'm sure somepeople have heard about this is
epigenetics.
So epigenetics is a body ofresearch that basically looks at
your body type.
It's really fascinatingactually, and I know when I did
(12:05):
my epigenetics report with ahealth coach, what I realized
and what I learned is that,dependent on our body type, it's
kind of like disc but for thebody actually, and it does
incorporate some things frombehavioral profiling.
But again, it's more thephysical and the physical
environment.
So it takes you through thefact that we have different
schedules and routines aroundthings like food, sleep, types
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of exercise, when to eat, whento exercise, when to start work
these kinds of things we allhave depending on the type of
body we have.
There's uniqueness there.
It talks about physicalenvironments, things that will
affect us in physicalenvironments and help us feel
motivated and energized ordepleted, or energy gainers and
(12:49):
energy drainers, the type ofcareers that we have that will
benefit us social requirements.
So again, there is some overlapthere as well the terminology
they use, which I love, is thatfocusing on these different
areas can give you smooth energythroughout the day, smooth
energy and it really encourageshumans to look at what is
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uniquely right for me.
So I love this combination oflooking at behavior, looking at
mindset, looking at our body,and when we can combine these
aspects around mindset andempowered truth that we've
talked about and we'll talkabout previously, when we
combine that with our naturalbehavioral styles that we talked
about with DISC, and then ourphysical requirements and needs
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that are dependent on our bodytype, this is actually where we
get the unique blueprint for theindividual to live that healthy
, happy life.
And if we can then apply thatto the work environment, to the
business, to our relationships,to the way that we focus on
health and wellbeing, to the waywe have fun, I mean, that's
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what it's about, right.
Ness (13:55):
And it's so true, and I think we come back to that
definition of healthy hustle.
It is dependent on the thingsthat are important to you, that
give you energy, where youunderstand the layers of
yourself, whether it be throughprofiling tools like DISC, like
epigenetics, and I think thatyou know that is what we want to
(14:20):
say in relation to we can talkabout.
We talk about that sweet spotright, finding the sweet spot
between hustle and between youknow, managing our health.
So it really is about lookingat each of these in relation to
our energy levels and becauseour energy is going to determine
what we do and how well we doit and where we focus our
(14:44):
attention.
Nicky (14:45):
Totally, and our energy is what like.
It can help us feel energized,but it also gets us ready to
face whatever is thrown at us inthe day.
Because when we're focusing onhealthy hustle, that doesn't
mean that we don't have to workhard, it's just we're working
hard, resourcefully.
That doesn't mean that we don'thave adversity.
That doesn't mean we don't havecrap days.
That doesn't mean, you know, westill have those.
But when we're focusing on andactually the combination of
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beliefs, energy and direction,and particularly this energy
piece we're talking about now,it means that we are like, okay,
we can do this, we can getthrough this, instead of
whatever is thrown at us.
It tips us over the edge andwe're a melting pot on the floor
, or that might still happen,but we get up a little bit
quicker.
Ness (15:25):
Well, it's about resilience, isn't it?
It's about the resilience thatwe have to bounce back from
adversity, and that means thatwe need to know what's going to
work for us, because what worksfor me and what works for you
are different.
We've learned that over theyears, that my way to recharge
is very different to your way torecharge.
As we know, when I come up andvisit you and we do facilitation
(15:47):
together and I get home and go,okay, bye-bye, and I go off to
my room into my bedroom and thenI'm like oh Jules, this
happened and this happened oh mygosh, yeah, totally.
I'm like oh Jules, this happenedand this happened.
Oh my gosh, yeah, totally.
Nicky (15:56):
I really like.
There's this analogy inepigenetics that I'll kind of
close out on before I throw toyou.
For the actionable action.
There's different.
I only know two of them.
I only remember two of them,but I remember I was likened to
and I was very upset about this.
It challenged all my identitybeliefs when I was told by the
health coach that I was like acruise ship.
Ness (16:16):
A cruise ship.
Where's this going?
Nicky (16:17):
Like a big heavy cruise ship people.
I was like what A cruise shipis.
Slow to get started.
Slower in the morning, it takesa little while, but then once a
cruise ship gets started Iactually haven't been on a
cruise ship, but this is what Ihear it's powerful, like when
it's out on the open waters,good luck stopping it.
It is a force of nature.
(16:39):
It is powerful.
Other people are like a jet skiand this is where the identity
crisis happened to me.
But I want to be a jet ski, jetski types of body.
They get up, they're upstraight away, they're boom,
let's go, and they're out on thewater like zero to to 100k in
less than five seconds.
Now I went through so much ofmy life thinking that I was a
jet ski, but really I am acruise ship.
(17:02):
What do you think that did tomy energy?
I was getting up and doing theexercise classes at 6am in the
morning.
I literally would go to bedsome days at 6 30 pm because I
couldn't handle my handle theenergy of it.
Like I thought I was a jet ski,but really I was a cruise ship.
When I embraced that, that'swhen I started to do exercise
(17:23):
later in the day.
Don't start work till 10.
Definitely, just don't talk tome for the first hour, although
that's dependent on who you talkto.
But you know like.
So all of a sudden I couldembrace that energy and I want
to leave people with thisthought, because are you really
a cruise ship and you thinkyou're a jet ski or the other
way around, and there's allthese other types?
But it's really looking at, youwill know what fuels your
(17:46):
energy, because you'll feel it.
And so, ness, on that note.
What do we want to close out on?
What do we want to get peopleto do in the next 24 hours?
Well, look.
Ness (17:54):
I would say that if you are connecting with hustle at
the moment, if you're feelinglike you're in this constant
grind around hustle, thequestion then is you know, how
do I feel in my body right now?
Does this feel right to me?
Because, as you said, gettingup and doing a 5am gym class
when you're a cruise ship is notfeeling good in your body right
(18:16):
now.
So I think that's reallyimportant for those feeling
caught in hustle and for thosewho perhaps aren't feeling
caught in hustle and are more inthe healthy hustle, then the
question is similar, like whatare you doing that feels good in
your body right now?
And do more of that.
Nicky (18:33):
Love that.
What a great conversation.
Thank you everybody for joiningus.
Ness (18:38):
We'll talk to you again next week.
Bye, thanks for listening totoday's ep.
If you loved what you heard,connect with us over on LinkedIn
and let's continue theconversation over there.
N and I are obsessed withhelping businesses install smart
business growth strategies andleveraging people leadership for
peak performance.
We bring two business minds andtwo perspectives into your
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business, and our number onegoal is to make sure that your
business is thriving, your teamare thriving and you are
thriving.
We offer a 30-day businessdiagnostic, taking you from
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