April 8, 2024 • 13 mins
Ever wondered about the enchanting ruins that rival the mystique of the great pyramids? Let's unwrap the secrets of Nan Madal together! Join Smartacus and yours truly, Phoenix, as we journey to the heart of Micronesia and endeavor to untangle the perplexing history of the ancient city dubbed the Venice of the Pacific. Not only will this episode tickle your fancy for untold historical tales, but we also promise a touch of culinary adventure—recreating a local chicken dish that's bound to get your taste buds dancing with its exotic blend of chili, curry, and a dash of ginger.
Our kitchen capers aren't just about the sizzle and spice; they serve as a warm prelude to the rich stories of Nan Madal. From our trial and error in the quest for the perfect seasoning balance to the intricacies of an ancient civilization that has left modern-day scholars scratching their heads in wonder, we'll share it all. And don't worry about the ginger; we've got alternatives for those of you who share my peculiar aversion to it. So come along, grab your favorite cold one, and let's indulge in a hearty serving of history, laughter, and some seriously good food stories.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Smartacus Tells History.
Speaker 1 (00:06):
Alright, enough with the echo and fanfare.
You're here for history, right,and not that boring crap you
learned in high school.
This stuff's actuallyinteresting, like things you've
never heard about the Civil War,cleopatra, automobiles,
monopoly, the Black Plague andmore Fascinating stories,
interesting topics and somedownright weird facts from the
(00:28):
past.
It's a new twist on somestories you may know and an
interesting look at some thingsyou may have never heard.
So grab a beer, kick back andenjoy.
Here's your host, smarticus.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
Hello and welcome, dear listeners, to another
exciting episode of SmarticusTells History.
I am your host, smarticus,accompanied by my co-host,
phoenix hey.
Today we have a trulyfascinating topic to explore the
secrets of Nan Madal, theancient city often referred to
as the Venice of the Pacific.
It holds a myriad of mysteriesthat have perplexed historians,
archaeologists and adventurersfor centuries, not unlike the
(01:03):
pyramids.
But before we grab ourexplorer's hat and dive in,
we've got to talk about the foodthe food.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
We picked a micronesian chicken dish which
is from around that area, fromaround namadol area yep we'll
eat some yeah, I tried some aminute ago.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
It was pretty good.
Mean, I didn't put enoughspices in it, I think, but it is
still good.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Yeah, my husband last night had three bowls full of
this.
Oh man, that's a lot.
Admittedly, the bowl was verysmall.
Oh, okay, he has to do dishes.
Yeah, it has potatoes, bellpeppers, chicken, carrots,
onions.
Mine has coconut milk, but Iknow you said you weren't going
(01:50):
to use coconut milk.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
I used almond milk Right.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
Garlic and the spices were chili and curry powder and
a little ginger, if you want tothrow it in there.
I am not okay with ginger.
It does not agree with, reallyI used a ground ginger.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
I said to put chopped ginger in it.
I put ground ginger, ginger init.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Yeah, no, I think.
I think I'm actually allergicto ginger, because if I eat a
ginger snap or any kind ofginger thing, my mouth starts to
tingle and I feel like I'mgoing to throw up.
Yeah, it's pretty impressive.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
Yeah, it could be.
Yeah, the recipe on their pagelooks really good the way I made
it here.
You know, of course it doesn'tlook nearly as tasty, but it
still looks pretty good.
I thought yours looked reallygood.
Yeah, it does Like I said, it'svery creamy over rice.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Pretty good, I thought yours looked really good
.
Yeah, I got something.
Yeah, I gotta say it's verycreamy over rice, yep, and then
the curry makes it reallyaromatic.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
Uh, the recipe here calls for uh, what do we say?
We said chicken, carrots,potatoes, onions, bell peppers
and then the rice.
All that over a bed of rice.
I didn't follow the directionsexactly to order to cook it.
I have a rice cooker so I putall my vegetables, um well,
except for the carrots and thepotatoes, um, so all the onions
(03:16):
and peppers and stuff I put inwith the rice.
Um, in a little bowl it comes,that my rice cooker came with to
steam them which I thought wasreally clever.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
I would never have thought to do that.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
Yeah, and then I threw everything in together at
the end and then I added in thealmond milk for me Called for
two cups of almond milk and Ijust let it simmer in there in
the skillet until everything wasfully cooked and the milk was
mostly evaporated.
It took about 25, maybe 30minutes.
And then it took about 25,maybe 30 minutes and then I
(03:47):
pulled it off.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
See in the recipe.
I followed the recipe and itsuggested that you would only
need five minutes for your rootvegetables to get soft.
And I was going wow, you havereally high expectations for my
skillet.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
Yeah, let's maybe have it on the direct, on the
flame Right.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
So mine took a little bit longer than I was expecting
it to, according to theirparticular wishes.
So I just kind of did my ownthing after a while.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
So, anyways, that's what we did, and it turned out
pretty good yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
I mean, if they were eating this back then, they must
have been happy campers, I knowright, all right, carrying on.
Nestled in the heart of thePacific Ocean, nam Madol is
unlike any other ancient cityyou've ever heard of.
Located on the island of Temwen, not too far from the eastern
shore of Phon Pei, which is partof the Federated States of
(04:46):
Micronesia, this sprawlingcomplex of stone structures was
built on top of a lagoon usingmassive basalt logs and coral.
To this day, nam Madol remainsone of the most enigmatic and
least understood archaeologicalsites in the world.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
Nam Madol was constructed during the S Sadler
dynasty, which united and ruledthe Pompeian people from around
1200 AD to 1700 AD.
The Sadler, however, were notactually from Phonpei, but a
foreign tribe from a relativelyuncertain location.
They originally appeared in1100 and eventually built Nan
Madol in 1200.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
Fascinatingly enough, according to local oral history
, the Sadler were two brotherswho were believed to be
sorcerers Olishpa and OlosapaCrazy names, bet you they were
twins.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
They probably were yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
It was believed that their powers came from the gods
and that they used magic tobuild namadol's structure in the
water.
The local ponpans were soimpressed with their magic and
skill that they invited thebrothers to marry into their
tribe.
Eventually, when one of thebrothers died, the other took
the position of king and built atemple to his people's god of
farming.
All right, folks, I'm gonna tryand say this.
(06:01):
I cannot guarantee it's goingto come out right.
Nanichon Sapwa, it's S-A-P-W,so however you pronounce that,
that's it.
I need vowels.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
Namadol became the epicenter of politics and
religion for the island and, toquote the Namadol National Park
Service, it was also theearliest known example of such
centralized political power inthe Western Pacific End.
Quote Of course, the largesthomes in the complex belonged to
the elite and they weredesigned so that they were kept
away from the commoners, thepeasant folk, healthy peasants,
(06:41):
who were naturally expected toserve them.
Of course, at the height of thecity, the population was a mere
1,000.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Impressive right, 1,000 people and you get all
haughty and then you're supposedto take care of me.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
I still find that rather impressive.
But what inevitably happenswhen the elite forget that they
aren't actually better than therabble?
They become oppressive.
Sadly, that's what happened,and only after Namadol was 500
years old, so not a whole lot oftime passed before they got way
too uppity.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
The soddler elite became so oppressive to the
Pompeian commoners that theywere pushed repeatedly into
starvation.
Of course, the next inevitablething happens as a warrior hero
rises up and his name was IsoCalicolo.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
Iso Calicolo, who was believed to be a demigod, son
of the vengeful Pompeian stormgod, non Sapwe, led a group of
Micronesian settlers from theisland Kosre against the elite.
According to oral accounts,non-sapwe had grown furious with
the tyranny of the settlers'farm god.
The fighting group was composedof warriors, women and even
(07:57):
children.
Historians believe that uponseeing them, the oppressed
Ponpeans joined forces andfought no shock.
They won.
However, that was the beginningof the end for the importance
of Amidal for the Ponpeans.
By the 18th century, it wascompletely abandoned.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
So it had its heyday for about 500 years and then,
because the elite got allsnippety, they just abandoned
the place.
It still just blows my mind.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
We have ghost towns here.
Yes, all the time Still happens, yep.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
Now let's jump to the more practical side of Namadol.
Nobody knows exactly how theenormous basalt logs, some
weighing up to 100,000 poundseach, were transported to the
island and then stacked soprecisely to form the city's
buildings of which there are 130, and walls, two short on the
side and one long facing theocean.
(08:56):
Some of the stones are smalland lightweight enough to be
carried by hand, but not themajority, all of which has a
foundation of coral which, ofcourse you know, grew over time.
This feat of engineeringbaffles modern experts, as no
machinery or advanced tools werefound or available at the time.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
One theory suggests that the logs were floated to
the island on large rafts, buteven this doesn't fully explain
how they were moved or liftedinto position.
Some speculate that acombination of ingenious pulley
systems, rollers and human labormay have been used, but there's
no conclusive evidence tosupport such a claim.
What's fascinating, though, isthat the Pohnpeian builders
(09:35):
didn't use any sort of bindingagent to keep the stones in
place.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
It's important to note that this place was built
with precision that rivals anyancient civilizations, as it
stood the test of time and theravages of nature.
I mean it's 500 to 800 yearsold, sitting in the ocean with
ebbing and flowing tides, andit's still structurally sound.
The canals between thebuildings can still be used by
visitors who come to see theruins.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
That is very impressive.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
It is, it is, and they actually encourage people
to do that, to go in there andgo look at it, and get close to
it.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
Yeah, that's with respect, of course, you know,
right, right, um, I mean it'sjust.
I can't believe that it's stillstanding with.
No, they basically just stuckthe stones on top of each other,
right?
Speaker 2 (10:22):
I guess we'll just depend upon that sheer weight.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
Although I don't think the stones at, in England,
the circle.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
Oh yeah, Stonehenge.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
Stonehenge yeah, I don't think those are bound
either and they're still Well,they're mostly still standing, I
think some people, I thinkthey've put them back up a
handful of times.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Yeah, because wind blew too hard or whatever.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
Yeah, but there's nothing.
I mean they were for the mostpart still standing.
I mean, I guess, if they'reheavy enough, gravity works.
Yeah, they wouldn't really needanything to hold them really.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
But still, I mean like in the ocean, eventually it
should have gotten knocked over, right.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
I mean you would think a storm, a bad enough
storm, would come through andknock them over.
I mean right.
Especially because the watermoving with it and everything I
mean hurricanes, typhoons.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
you know something, but nope, still there.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
Yeah, Nowadays Namadal is a national historic
landmark held in the care ofprivate landowners who happen to
be modern-day Namawarki.
They can trace their lineageall the way back to the ancient
Isokolokal chiefs.
The family provides tours ofNamadol via boat that show the
(11:46):
building and artificial islandsbuilt within the walls.
And I'm not, I mean, I'm goingto apologize for that name.
I have no idea if I said thatwrong.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
Non-Mawarkey?
I don't know.
I mean, I can't think of anyother way that you would
pronounce that.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
Yeah, I don't know, non-mawarkey, Non-Mawarkey, I
don't know.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
It doesn't.
They know who we're talkingabout.
You know who you are, yes, andwe are impressed with you.
We are impressed that, yes,yeah, okay, I've seen plenty of
pictures of the beautiful ruinsand the wild, jungle-like lands
to its west.
Namadol is a testament to humaningenuity and a riddle still
waiting to be unraveled.
Hopefully, with furtherarchaeological research, we'll
find out how it was built.
Probably about the same time wefind out how it was built.
Probably about the same time wefigure out how the pyramids in
(12:30):
Egypt and other such structuresaround the world were
constructed.
But hope springs eternal.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
So, with all of that being said, thank you for
joining us today on this journeythrough the secrets of Naumadal
.
If you have any historicalquestions or topics you would
like us to explore in futureepisodes, don't hesitate to
reach out.
Thank you for joining us and ifyou enjoyed this episode,
please subscribe and leave us areview.
We will be back with morestories from the past.
Until then, keep exploring.
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Welcome to.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Smartacus Tells History.
Speaker 1 (00:06):
Alright, enough with the echo and fanfare.
You're here for history, right,and not that boring crap you
learned in high school.
This stuff's actuallyinteresting, like things you've
never heard about the Civil War,cleopatra, automobiles,
monopoly, the Black Plague andmore Fascinating stories,
interesting topics and somedownright weird facts from the
(00:28):
past.
It's a new twist on somestories you may know and an
interesting look at some thingsyou may have never heard.
So grab a beer, kick back andenjoy.
Here's your host, smarticus.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
Hello and welcome, dear listeners, to another
exciting episode of SmarticusTells History.
I am your host, smarticus,accompanied by my co-host,
phoenix hey.
Today we have a trulyfascinating topic to explore the
secrets of Nan Madal, theancient city often referred to
as the Venice of the Pacific.
It holds a myriad of mysteriesthat have perplexed historians,
archaeologists and adventurersfor centuries, not unlike the
(01:03):
pyramids.
But before we grab ourexplorer's hat and dive in,
we've got to talk about the foodthe food.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
We picked a micronesian chicken dish which
is from around that area, fromaround namadol area yep we'll
eat some yeah, I tried some aminute ago.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
It was pretty good.
Mean, I didn't put enoughspices in it, I think, but it is
still good.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Yeah, my husband last night had three bowls full of
this.
Oh man, that's a lot.
Admittedly, the bowl was verysmall.
Oh, okay, he has to do dishes.
Yeah, it has potatoes, bellpeppers, chicken, carrots,
onions.
Mine has coconut milk, but Iknow you said you weren't going
(01:50):
to use coconut milk.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
I used almond milk Right.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
Garlic and the spices were chili and curry powder and
a little ginger, if you want tothrow it in there.
I am not okay with ginger.
It does not agree with, reallyI used a ground ginger.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
I said to put chopped ginger in it.
I put ground ginger, ginger init.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Yeah, no, I think.
I think I'm actually allergicto ginger, because if I eat a
ginger snap or any kind ofginger thing, my mouth starts to
tingle and I feel like I'mgoing to throw up.
Yeah, it's pretty impressive.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
Yeah, it could be.
Yeah, the recipe on their pagelooks really good the way I made
it here.
You know, of course it doesn'tlook nearly as tasty, but it
still looks pretty good.
I thought yours looked reallygood.
Yeah, it does Like I said, it'svery creamy over rice.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Pretty good, I thought yours looked really good
.
Yeah, I got something.
Yeah, I gotta say it's verycreamy over rice, yep, and then
the curry makes it reallyaromatic.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
Uh, the recipe here calls for uh, what do we say?
We said chicken, carrots,potatoes, onions, bell peppers
and then the rice.
All that over a bed of rice.
I didn't follow the directionsexactly to order to cook it.
I have a rice cooker so I putall my vegetables, um well,
except for the carrots and thepotatoes, um, so all the onions
(03:16):
and peppers and stuff I put inwith the rice.
Um, in a little bowl it comes,that my rice cooker came with to
steam them which I thought wasreally clever.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
I would never have thought to do that.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
Yeah, and then I threw everything in together at
the end and then I added in thealmond milk for me Called for
two cups of almond milk and Ijust let it simmer in there in
the skillet until everything wasfully cooked and the milk was
mostly evaporated.
It took about 25, maybe 30minutes.
And then it took about 25,maybe 30 minutes and then I
(03:47):
pulled it off.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
See in the recipe.
I followed the recipe and itsuggested that you would only
need five minutes for your rootvegetables to get soft.
And I was going wow, you havereally high expectations for my
skillet.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
Yeah, let's maybe have it on the direct, on the
flame Right.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
So mine took a little bit longer than I was expecting
it to, according to theirparticular wishes.
So I just kind of did my ownthing after a while.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
So, anyways, that's what we did, and it turned out
pretty good yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
I mean, if they were eating this back then, they must
have been happy campers, I knowright, all right, carrying on.
Nestled in the heart of thePacific Ocean, nam Madol is
unlike any other ancient cityyou've ever heard of.
Located on the island of Temwen, not too far from the eastern
shore of Phon Pei, which is partof the Federated States of
(04:46):
Micronesia, this sprawlingcomplex of stone structures was
built on top of a lagoon usingmassive basalt logs and coral.
To this day, nam Madol remainsone of the most enigmatic and
least understood archaeologicalsites in the world.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
Nam Madol was constructed during the S Sadler
dynasty, which united and ruledthe Pompeian people from around
1200 AD to 1700 AD.
The Sadler, however, were notactually from Phonpei, but a
foreign tribe from a relativelyuncertain location.
They originally appeared in1100 and eventually built Nan
Madol in 1200.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
Fascinatingly enough, according to local oral history
, the Sadler were two brotherswho were believed to be
sorcerers Olishpa and OlosapaCrazy names, bet you they were
twins.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
They probably were yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
It was believed that their powers came from the gods
and that they used magic tobuild namadol's structure in the
water.
The local ponpans were soimpressed with their magic and
skill that they invited thebrothers to marry into their
tribe.
Eventually, when one of thebrothers died, the other took
the position of king and built atemple to his people's god of
farming.
All right, folks, I'm gonna tryand say this.
(06:01):
I cannot guarantee it's goingto come out right.
Nanichon Sapwa, it's S-A-P-W,so however you pronounce that,
that's it.
I need vowels.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
Namadol became the epicenter of politics and
religion for the island and, toquote the Namadol National Park
Service, it was also theearliest known example of such
centralized political power inthe Western Pacific End.
Quote Of course, the largesthomes in the complex belonged to
the elite and they weredesigned so that they were kept
away from the commoners, thepeasant folk, healthy peasants,
(06:41):
who were naturally expected toserve them.
Of course, at the height of thecity, the population was a mere
1,000.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Impressive right, 1,000 people and you get all
haughty and then you're supposedto take care of me.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
I still find that rather impressive.
But what inevitably happenswhen the elite forget that they
aren't actually better than therabble?
They become oppressive.
Sadly, that's what happened,and only after Namadol was 500
years old, so not a whole lot oftime passed before they got way
too uppity.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
The soddler elite became so oppressive to the
Pompeian commoners that theywere pushed repeatedly into
starvation.
Of course, the next inevitablething happens as a warrior hero
rises up and his name was IsoCalicolo.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
Iso Calicolo, who was believed to be a demigod, son
of the vengeful Pompeian stormgod, non Sapwe, led a group of
Micronesian settlers from theisland Kosre against the elite.
According to oral accounts,non-sapwe had grown furious with
the tyranny of the settlers'farm god.
The fighting group was composedof warriors, women and even
(07:57):
children.
Historians believe that uponseeing them, the oppressed
Ponpeans joined forces andfought no shock.
They won.
However, that was the beginningof the end for the importance
of Amidal for the Ponpeans.
By the 18th century, it wascompletely abandoned.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
So it had its heyday for about 500 years and then,
because the elite got allsnippety, they just abandoned
the place.
It still just blows my mind.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
We have ghost towns here.
Yes, all the time Still happens, yep.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
Now let's jump to the more practical side of Namadol.
Nobody knows exactly how theenormous basalt logs, some
weighing up to 100,000 poundseach, were transported to the
island and then stacked soprecisely to form the city's
buildings of which there are 130, and walls, two short on the
side and one long facing theocean.
(08:56):
Some of the stones are smalland lightweight enough to be
carried by hand, but not themajority, all of which has a
foundation of coral which, ofcourse you know, grew over time.
This feat of engineeringbaffles modern experts, as no
machinery or advanced tools werefound or available at the time.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
One theory suggests that the logs were floated to
the island on large rafts, buteven this doesn't fully explain
how they were moved or liftedinto position.
Some speculate that acombination of ingenious pulley
systems, rollers and human labormay have been used, but there's
no conclusive evidence tosupport such a claim.
What's fascinating, though, isthat the Pohnpeian builders
(09:35):
didn't use any sort of bindingagent to keep the stones in
place.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
It's important to note that this place was built
with precision that rivals anyancient civilizations, as it
stood the test of time and theravages of nature.
I mean it's 500 to 800 yearsold, sitting in the ocean with
ebbing and flowing tides, andit's still structurally sound.
The canals between thebuildings can still be used by
visitors who come to see theruins.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
That is very impressive.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
It is, it is, and they actually encourage people
to do that, to go in there andgo look at it, and get close to
it.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
Yeah, that's with respect, of course, you know,
right, right, um, I mean it'sjust.
I can't believe that it's stillstanding with.
No, they basically just stuckthe stones on top of each other,
right?
Speaker 2 (10:22):
I guess we'll just depend upon that sheer weight.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
Although I don't think the stones at, in England,
the circle.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
Oh yeah, Stonehenge.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
Stonehenge yeah, I don't think those are bound
either and they're still Well,they're mostly still standing, I
think some people, I thinkthey've put them back up a
handful of times.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Yeah, because wind blew too hard or whatever.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
Yeah, but there's nothing.
I mean they were for the mostpart still standing.
I mean, I guess, if they'reheavy enough, gravity works.
Yeah, they wouldn't really needanything to hold them really.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
But still, I mean like in the ocean, eventually it
should have gotten knocked over, right.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
I mean you would think a storm, a bad enough
storm, would come through andknock them over.
I mean right.
Especially because the watermoving with it and everything I
mean hurricanes, typhoons.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
you know something, but nope, still there.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
Yeah, Nowadays Namadal is a national historic
landmark held in the care ofprivate landowners who happen to
be modern-day Namawarki.
They can trace their lineageall the way back to the ancient
Isokolokal chiefs.
The family provides tours ofNamadol via boat that show the
(11:46):
building and artificial islandsbuilt within the walls.
And I'm not, I mean, I'm goingto apologize for that name.
I have no idea if I said thatwrong.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
Non-Mawarkey?
I don't know.
I mean, I can't think of anyother way that you would
pronounce that.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
Yeah, I don't know, non-mawarkey, Non-Mawarkey, I
don't know.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
It doesn't.
They know who we're talkingabout.
You know who you are, yes, andwe are impressed with you.
We are impressed that, yes,yeah, okay, I've seen plenty of
pictures of the beautiful ruinsand the wild, jungle-like lands
to its west.
Namadol is a testament to humaningenuity and a riddle still
waiting to be unraveled.
Hopefully, with furtherarchaeological research, we'll
find out how it was built.
Probably about the same time wefind out how it was built.
Probably about the same time wefigure out how the pyramids in
(12:30):
Egypt and other such structuresaround the world were
constructed.
But hope springs eternal.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
So, with all of that being said, thank you for
joining us today on this journeythrough the secrets of Naumadal
.
If you have any historicalquestions or topics you would
like us to explore in futureepisodes, don't hesitate to
reach out.
Thank you for joining us and ifyou enjoyed this episode,
please subscribe and leave us areview.
We will be back with morestories from the past.
Until then, keep exploring.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
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