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S1 (00:00):
Welcome to the Snapshot Testimony podcast. I'm your host, Ali Domercant.
In this podcast, I ask my guests to share one
pivotal moment that helped shape their faith in Christ. In
this episode, you'll meet Denise, a devoted wife, mom, and grandma.
She'd been a Christ follower for years, but she was
completely unprepared for a spiritual battle that ravaged her life
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for nearly a decade. Baffling physical and emotional symptoms and
intense spiritual attacks left her nearly unrecognizable, even to those
closest to her. After years of darkness, there was nothing
sweeter than the moment she heard God's voice and could
finally see the light again. Before we get to the story,
know that this testimony is raw and real, and it
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may raise questions for you, particularly around the topic of
spiritual warfare. Be sure to check the show notes for
some helpful resources. If you want to do some more
study on your own. Now here's a snapshot testimony from Denise.
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Put it in your own words. Kind of the crisis
of faith you went through about 13 years ago.
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Well, what happened was something must have happened neurologically. I
wound up with burning mouth syndrome, um, which was something
where your tongue, your throat, your ears, everything was on fire. Um,
I wound up with significant insomnia. Was put on drugs, uh,
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to help me sleep. Uh, wound up getting symptoms from
those drugs, only to have the doctors go. Oh, no,
you need this. And wound up on antidepressants. Uh, the
antidepressants made it even worse. All this medication was just
doing a number on me. Um, threw me in a
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huge state of anxiety. Um, and because the Because the
doctors I wasn't textbook. The doctors would just throw me
under anxiety. And so they felt that I just needed
a psychiatrist. I needed to be put in to mental
health facilities, which I actually wound up going into two
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of them. And I know that I didn't need to
be there in the process of that. There are drugs
that do open up doors to demonic activity, and I
have absolutely no doubt about that. And so not only
was I physically going through things, but spiritually, um, I
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have never been. So I would say tortured, um, from
demonic activity.
S1 (02:46):
Now, when when people hear you say that, you know,
because of kind of our discomfort talking about spiritual warfare,
I mean, we've kind of left it to like the
thing of Hollywood movies and horror flicks and flicks and
those kind of things. But what you were experiencing was
you used the word torturous, like you were being. Was
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it a in your mind? Was it how how do
you best describe what you were going through spiritually?
S2 (03:16):
It was both. Um, it was mind. It was physically.
The Lord decided that he was going to be quiet
for that time. And so I had attacks of being
told that I wasn't a believer, uh, that my heart
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was desperately wicked and more wicked than any other person
who was born on this planet. Um, that when I died,
I would wind up in a black hole. Um. I
could not sleep or even take a take a nap
without waking up and being extremely rattled. I could not
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pick up my Bible. I could not even hear the
name of Jesus without having a negative effect. And I
will give you an example as bizarre as this sounds.
As my husband was talking about the Lord Jesus and
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it was just it wasn't even out of the scriptures,
it was out of a book. But every time that
he mentioned the name of Jesus, I felt like something
very heavy on my chest. And it kept getting heavier
and heavier to the point, Ali, where I literally dropped
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down to my knees and I begged my husband, please
don't mention his name again. Wow. And he just looked
at me and he went, okay, and when he stopped,
eventually that heaviness started to dissipate and it went away.
One of the things that was very interesting about it
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was I could never say that God was not real.
I could never say that Jesus was not the Lord.
I couldn't say that he never died or rose again.
I believed in all of that. Um, I had more
fear than I had anger at all. I didn't have
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any anger. I just didn't understand what was happening. It
definitely caused a distance between me and my children or
the people that I dealt with. Um. I felt like
I was in the world. And the world took away
my identity, who I was. Um, anything I had to
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say really didn't count, because now they looked at me
as if I was some anxiety weirdo that all I
needed to do was be on drugs and have electric
shocks done. It was very, very bizarre.
S1 (06:07):
Now what? Prior to this kind of the onslaught of
these physical symptoms and then the medication and then the
the everything that came after that. How would you describe
what you were like before, as, you know, a woman
of faith, uh, a mom. What was your what was
your life like prior to this major, major disruption?
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Um. Oh my gosh. Well, I have five kids. Um,
took them to Christian school, attended church. I was in
the word all of the time. Prayed. Um, witnessing to people.
Very excited. It was something that was so bizarre. I
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was I wasn't ready for it. It was It was something.
But I do have to tell you something that does
stand out is that at the very beginning of going
through this, I had fallen asleep and I woke myself
up repeating the verse, trust in the Lord with all
of your heart and lean not on your own understanding.
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Acknowledge him in all thy ways, and he will direct
your path. And I thought, how bizarre. Like my mouth
was moving and it was saying the scripture and it
woke me up. But then I repeated it two more
times after that, and then all of a sudden it
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was like, wham! I can't even explain. It was a
whirlwind of I felt like job, not only physically, where
I had so many things happening to me that if
I could stay home for two days or three days
without seeing a Seeing a doctor. I thought that that
was a good thing. It was like the Lord took
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me out of the world, and I was very by myself,
and I was very afraid. I kept saying, am I saved?
Am I saved? I kept asking my husband that am
I saved? And he goes, yes, you're saved, you know.
And I'm like, well. And every morning I would say
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to him, am I going to die today? Am I
going to die today? And he'd go, no, you're not
going to die today. It was a definite attack. Spiritually,
I have absolutely no doubt about that. None.
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As you were walking through this like so much fear,
so much anxiety, and seeing your personality change, what did.
How did people around you respond? You mentioned some distance
between you and your kids. You know, the people who
had known you before all of all of this. What did.
What did they say?
S2 (09:01):
Um. My children. Um, a couple of them were angry
that they saw me like this. Some of them wanted
to be there to do whatever. To try to get
me back. You know, I wasn't the same person, and
I was their strength in a lot of ways. Yeah.
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I had people who were just waiting for me to die.
Doctors couldn't find out what was wrong with me at all.
S1 (09:31):
How long did this last?
S2 (09:33):
Um, it started in October of 2012, and I was
delivered in October of 2021.
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Wow. So just shy of of ten years of just
absolute torture.
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Oh my gosh. Oh my gosh. Uh, physically. Mentally. Spiritually. Emotionally.
Finally I would walk outside and I couldn't enjoy anything.
I couldn't enjoy the birds, the trees, none of that.
I mean, it was like, you know, when the Lord
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says that he is our life and you don't have him,
you know, when you did. And then all of a
sudden he remained quiet. It just changed everything. Everything. And
I'll never forget. And can I share this with you, please?
S1 (10:31):
Please do. Please do.
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So what happened was I'm sitting at the end of
my bed. And so now.
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I'm sure of now. 20, 21, 21.
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Yes. Okay. And I'm sitting at the end of my bed,
and all of a sudden I hear a voice. Now,
mind you, the Holy Spirit hadn't been talking to me
for all these years. I couldn't even pick up the
up the Bible or read. And all of a sudden
I hear this voice and he says, you do realize
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you're a Jew. And I'm telling you, ally, I just
kind of looked around and I'm like, yeah. And he said,
I want you to go and pick up the Bible.
And now I'm like, oh my gosh, because I wasn't
able to even hold the Bible. I couldn't even do
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anything with God's Word. It was. And I went, okay.
And he says, and I want you to go to
the book of Hebrews. And I said, all right. I go,
where do you want me to read? And he said,
start at the beginning. Ali, I started reading, and I
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got to the point where it says that a father
disciplines his own, not as earthly father disciplines Out of
self reasons, but that our Heavenly Father disciplines us for
our profit. And when I saw that, I realized I
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belonged to him and I just started crying.
S3 (12:13):
Wow.
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And it was so amazing. You know, I don't want
to make light of what our Lord Jesus did on
the cross. When the father turned away from him, and
you know. And the Lord saying, My God, my God,
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why hast thou forsaken me? That emptiness. And he had
been with him for eternity past, right? So I'm not
going to. The only thing that I want to say
in comparison is I can't even imagine the pain that
he must have experienced taking on the world's sins on
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him and having the father turn away when I only
had nine years of not hearing him. Oh my gosh.
But I can tell you from the moment I heard him,
I have like this new life.
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Now three years. Has it been three years of. Yes.
Of freedom.
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Oh my gosh. Oh my gosh. I had doctors that
were saying there's no light at the end of the tunnel.
I remember doing steps like I was doing steps on
our steps, you know, going up into the bedroom. And
I was praying and I said, Lord, I said, is
there really no light at the end of the tunnel?
I swear to you, I saw on the ceiling in
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our bedroom, all of a sudden a light that shone
so brightly. And I looked up and I was like,
oh my gosh. And I just broke down into tears.
But then I had to look back down to see
where I was stepping. Right. And then I look back
up and it was gone. And I'm like, oh my gosh.
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So I'll tell you what I come away with. I
think that there's two things that are so important that
the church needs to teach the people. Number one is
obedience to obey. You know, if you love him, you'll
obey him. And not because of a legalistic thing, but
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because when you have such a close relationship with the Lord,
you don't want to grieve him. You don't. Um, and
the second thing is, is people need to be taught
spiritual warfare because it is so real. So real. And
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I've had people who have turned around and just because
it hasn't happened to them. They look at me like, yeah, okay, well,
they're not the standard. But the apostle Paul said he
walks around roaming. Right. Seeking whom he may devour. And
I am telling you, I felt so devoured.
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Wow.
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How how are you different now? Is in a lot
of ways, you you feel like your old self again,
you know, after, after nine years. But I'm sure it's
a there's a newness to you, though. That's probably unlike
anything you've ever experienced before. Right. So it's both the
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coming back to the person that you once were, but
probably stepping into something that's brand new. Does that make sense?
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Oh, definitely new. So I could say to you that
the Lord was in my life. I loved my husband.
I loved my children, okay? And he was also in
my life. Um, the newness now is that as much
as I love my husband and my children and everybody
else around me, the most important person in my life
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is the Lord. He is number one. That's one of
the things. Um, the second thing he taught me was
to be more empathetic. Um, I realized that just because
what we see isn't necessarily what's happening with the people.
I think that we need to. Have more understanding towards
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people who are going through things. Um, and that, again,
we aren't the standard that if people share with us something,
we should believe what they're saying.
S1 (16:40):
Um, did you feel like people didn't believe when you were,
when there was things that doctors couldn't explain, when it
was symptoms, that in a lot of ways, it makes sense.
Did you feel like there was a skepticism, um, that
added to Added to your pain.
S2 (16:56):
Oh my gosh. They you know, what would happen is
the doctors would look at previous notes from the other doctors,
so they would not even look at me as someone new,
taking on a new case. Let's see if there's something that,
you know, we can do. But they just. I was
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just titled already as someone who was crazy. Um, and
anything I had to say really didn't matter or didn't
count because I was crazy. I had people who did
abandon me. Um, maybe it was just too much for them.
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It was. It was, uh. Ali, I could say humbling.
I've been definitely humbled. Um. I am not the proud
person that I used to be. Um. What I learned
is the Lord keeps his promises. And I said, why
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nine years? Lord? Why?
S1 (18:07):
Yeah, yeah. This is. I mean, now that you've come
out of it. I mean, do you ever just kind
of go. Why? I mean, yeah, that's the question.
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Yeah. Why?
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And why nine years? I mean, if you wanted to
teach me something or you know why? And he was like,
what's nine years to eternity? Mhm. I went, well you
got a point there. Right. It's like yeah. And then
you know I look at the woman with the blood
issue 12 years. And then I look at the man
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who was blind for 36 years. Right. And the Lord
Jesus healed him. And so yes, nine years is a
long time. But I also realize that he's changing more
me more into the image and likeness of his son.
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And if it took nine years, um, however long it takes. Yeah,
I want to be the best ambassador that I can
be for him. And if I can reach anybody out
there who feels like they have no hope not to
listen to other people, go directly to the Lord, realize
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he loves you so very much, and our hope is
in him, and he does keep his promises. Ali. Wow.
He really does.
S1 (19:38):
Thank you so much for hanging with me for this
week's Snapshot Testimony podcast. Remember, if you have questions about
what you've heard in this episode, check the show notes
for some helpful resources. I'm your host, Ali Domasin, and
together we're sharing the moments that shape a life of
faith in Christ. Thanks for listening.