Episode 74: The One with The Top 10 Happiness Project Tips

In this episode we're ringing in December by discussing the lessons from our latest book club pick, The Happiness Project by Gretchen Rubin.

We're covering our top ten takeaways, including:

• Why creating family traditions is easier than you think.
• The power of visibility in achieving your goals.
• How to harness the "fake it 'til you make it" principle for a better attitude.
• The life-changing magic of the "under 60-second rule."

Plus, we break down the Dancing with the Stars finale. Get ready for an episode that will have you plotting your own path to a happier 2026!

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Episode Transcript

SPEAKER_01 (00:00):
Ready?
Ready.
Hey everyone.
Welcome back to the latestepisode of Snitchin.
It's your host, Kristen.

SPEAKER_00 (00:06):
And Brittany, get ready for the best part of your
day.

SPEAKER_01 (00:09):
Happy December.
We're back.
We're so sorry to all of ourlisteners because we did not
have an episode on Friday and wedidn't let you guys know.
But we are back with a brand newset of episodes for the month of
December to close out 2025 onthe right foot.
And we're excited for this onebecause we are going to be
having our book club episodethat we were going to host on

(00:31):
Friday.
We're going to host it today.
And this book was great.
We're super excited about it.
It was the happiness project byGretchen Rubin.
So, really, the focus for thisepisode is going to be talking
about that book and everythingthat we learned.
At the end, we are going to do aDancing with the Stars finale
recap because obviously we can'tnot talk about that after our

(00:52):
season of being avid watchers.

SPEAKER_00 (00:54):
Yeah.
I will say, I'm just thinking ofthis now as we're talking about
it, but this was kind of perfecttiming to read The Happiness
Project.
I felt like it was a greatThanksgiving dinner
conversation.

SPEAKER_01 (01:03):
Oh, I love that.
Yeah.
I thought the same.
I was thinking in terms ofresolutions because it's very
resolution heavy.
So I was like, oh, this isperfect timing to think about
for 2026.

SPEAKER_00 (01:13):
Yeah.
Yeah.
But yeah, it was it was good.
And it will be applicable.
Even if you didn't read it, youwill still find this
interesting.
We did the hard work.

SPEAKER_01 (01:21):
Yeah, we'll start with just like a little overview
of what the book's about.
And then Brunier and I are gonnago into, we each picked top our
top five things that we tookaway from the book.
So we're gonna kind of gothrough that one by one and then
we'll recap with Dancing withthe Stars.
But should we give a little?
I feel like we should just jumpright into it, honestly.
All right, so let's get into it.
So, what is the HappinessProject about?

(01:42):
I actually heard about this bookwhen it came out.
It came out 10 years ago, and orroughly around that.
The author, Gretchen Rubin, wasa lawyer-turned novelist.
And she one day was just riding,I think it was the bus or
something.
And she had the thought that somany of us have, just feeling a
little bit like, is life justkind of passing me by?

(02:02):
Are we going through themovement?
Is this it type of thing?
She decided to try to figure outwhat makes someone happy.
How can you be happy just inyour day-to-day life?
And what I really appreciatedabout the way she set it up is
that she was like, I don't wantto go to Africa.
I don't want to have thismassive upheaval.

SPEAKER_00 (02:21):
She says, like making changes in your life
without changing your life.
You know, like changing yourlife without changing it.

SPEAKER_01 (02:26):
And I love that.
I feel like that's so relatable.

SPEAKER_00 (02:29):
Same.
Feels very much more attainable.

SPEAKER_01 (02:32):
So, so yes.
So she goes about doing this ina very systemic, kind of lawyery
structured way.
Every month she starts inJanuary.
She has a different focus area.
January was energy.
So that's her focus for themonth.
And within that focus, she haslike four goals or resolutions
that she aims to achieve.

(02:52):
So throughout the book, shebasically each chapter is
highlighting each month.
She kind of goes through whatshe did, what she learned.
And then at the end of it, shecomes out with four like secrets
of happiness.
The four secrets that she cameout with, secret number one, to
be happy, you need to considerfeeling good, feeling bad, and
feeling right in an atmosphereof growth.

(03:14):
We'll talk about that.
Number two, one of the best waysto make yourself happy is to
make other people happy.
And one of the best ways to makeother people happy is to be
happy yourself.
Number three, the days are long,but the years are short.
And number four, you're nothappy unless you think you're
happy.
We'll get into some more ofthose.
But what were the 12 focusareas?

SPEAKER_00 (03:35):
Yeah.
Gretchen, I will say is verytype A, very structured, which I
can for sure appreciate.
Um, so in January, she was allabout boosting energy.
So, like going to sleep earlier,tidying up, tackling a nagging
task, like decluttering yourlife, kinda.
February was all about marriage.
Some of her resolutions werequit nagging, be more
affectionate, say I love youmore often.

(03:57):
Chapter three was March, and itwas about work and aiming
higher.
Some of her resolutions are, oh,she had launched a blog, which I
thought was interesting and verytelling of the time, 2009.
April was about lightening upand attitude and emotional
regulations.
So this is one when she's likepromises to sing in the morning,
admit what she enjoys, don't useher computer for two hours after

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waking up, and taking care ofher possessions.
May is be serious about play.
So I love this one.
This one's all about fun,finding fun projects, collecting
funny quotations, things likethat.
And then June, make time forfriends.
So remembering birthdays,showing up, being generous with
your time.
July was about money.
So that's an interesting one.
She talks about spending moneyon things that are worthwhile,

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buying essentials that are goodquality.
Eight is contemplate theheavens.
I think this was she called itlike eternity.
But yeah, this one's a littlebit more about like having a
gratitude journal, finding timefor meditation.
And then September, pursue apassion.
So for her, this was aboutbooks, but you know, this could
be obviously anything foranyone.
It's a lot about finding what iswhat you yourself are passionate

(05:04):
about.
October is about focus, somaking sure she's paying more
attention and letting go ofoutcomes is a big one.
November, use your imagination.
She says, imagine yourself as arole model, think about what you
want, stop complaining, and givepositive reviews, which I think
is a great one.
And then December was just kindof a recap where she talked
about, like it was she called ither boot camp, in which she was

(05:26):
trying to kind of do all of theresolutions.
So, like the idea was in Januaryshe'd focus on her energy
revolution resolutions, and thenFebruary she would still focus
on January's and then introducenew ones, March.
So it's like kind of cumulative.
So by December, she was justtalking kind of about like
maintaining them all and likewhat's realistic.
But yeah, should we get into it?

SPEAKER_01 (05:46):
Let's do it.
What's your first takeaway fromthe book?

SPEAKER_00 (05:50):
I really liked how she said, oh, the thing about
family traditions that is likeby definitely number one.
I think it was the parentingchapter, but she was saying like
anything can be made into atradition, right?
You know, it doesn't have tocost money, it doesn't have to
be on a holiday.
But if you think back like inyour life, your memories, like
the things that are repetitive,like those are a lot of the

(06:11):
things that stand out.
And so like I I think of my, Ifeel like my family had a ton of
like traditions.
Even if it was like we when we'dgo apple picking, like we would
always make like apple crisp orapple pie or something after.
Like someone that wrote into herblog or her brother or
something, I don't know.
They do like once a month, theydo eat like a pirate meal with
their kids.
So like they would like putnewspapers all over the dining
the table and like only eat withhands and not use any

(06:34):
silverware.
Kids love that.
That was one of my biggest ones,I think.
That was like a very easy wayto, you know, just kind of boost
your happiness, make happymemories.

SPEAKER_01 (06:43):
The traditions go such a long way.
You definitely remember, like, Idefinitely have very fond
memories of even just likeplaying the same card games
down.
Yeah, I was in Cape Cod with myfamily, or like if you do
sleepovers or something withcousins, like having the same
dessert every time, like certainthings that they're gonna grasp
onto that they'll remember.
I totally agree with that.
And I love that one as well.

(07:04):
She said that like the big thingabout doing these resolutions,
like above any specific focusarea that she had was more of
like the idea of accessibility.
So she what she did is she madethis resolutions chart that
seemed very convoluted.
Like, I will say when I wasreading it, she had four tasks
within each, within every focusarea.

(07:26):
So by the end of the year, shehas like 50 tasks that she's
trying to keep up with.
Yeah.
It felt very overwhelming to me.
But she said that the biggestthing, which I do agree with, is
that she put them on this chartso that every single day at the
end of the day, she would goback and look and see what she
accomplished.
And just the the idea ofaccessibility is that the more

(07:48):
often that you revisit somethingor like that it's visible in
front of you, the more oftenyou're just gonna recall that to
the top of your mind.
So if you're looking at yourresolutions every single day and
you're thinking about them everysingle day, then just naturally
when you're going to dosomething, you're gonna think
like about your resolution andact in that way first.
And I really like that.
Just like, yeah, and I thinkpeople do that all the time.

(08:10):
They'll put sticky notes, or,you know, like if they are say
on a weight loss journey, youknow, people you hear of people
putting like before and afterphotos like on fridges and stuff
just to keep it visible.
And I think that was a goodreminder to do that.

SPEAKER_00 (08:24):
Yeah, I like that too.
Yeah, I will say, like, just tohave one like kind of gripe
about the book, is it was alittle overwhelming.
The way I read it was like, dothis, do this, do this, you have
to do this, you have to do this,you have to do this, which is
like motivating to me because Ilike to have like the tangible
stuff that I feel like it's easyto do, like writing things out
and putting it in front of you.

(08:44):
But it definitely there wastimes when I was like, Whoa,
like she's like plan mymother-in-law's birthday party
and do all the work and no oneelse is responsible.
I was like, Okay, that's a lot.
So it was like I feel like itwas different than untamed
because it was a little bit morelike actionable, but a little
bit more like do this, do that.

SPEAKER_01 (09:01):
Yeah, I don't know how you can read it and like not
feel like it's overwhelmingbecause she's just doing so
much.
But I think you made a goodpoint.
We talked about this a littlebit last week.
We saw each other, and I thinkyou said Brett, like this was
her whole reason, this is herwhole job.
Right.
So of course she's going all in.
Like, I think the thing I tookaway from this was just little
takeaways, even thataccessibility thing.

(09:23):
She said that one of the thingsshe did was she changed her
password to be like whatever itis that she's focusing on.
So that again, that was a greatone.
Yeah, it's just top of mind.
It's coming up, it's coming up.
And I was like, those littlethings that I kind of wrote down
that was like, oh, that's reallythat's a good idea.
So for instance, we're obviouslyit made us think about our own
resolutions.
So I am starting one forDecember, really like around

(09:48):
sleep, because that continues tobe an area of opportunity for
me.
And I wrote it on my, I have achalkboard like wall in my
place, and I put on thechalkboard wall yesterday, like
all the things that I'm gonnatry to do to get some good
sleep.
And I'm hopeful that that willhelp keep me accountable by
seeing it every day.
But I loved what she said aboutthat.

SPEAKER_00 (10:07):
Yeah, I love that.
What were some other ones?
Oh, if it takes under 60seconds, this was like from
January when she was all aboutlike energy and decluttering.
If it takes under 60 seconds,just do it.
So, like I love that.
Yeah, like rather than justthrowing your coat on the table,
like it takes less than 60seconds to hang it up, and then
you'll be so glad later, likeyou're not going around and

(10:29):
picking everything up and likewasting time putting it away.
Yeah.
And then the other one I likedfrom that, like kind of in the
same vein, was it was liketackle a nagging task.
It makes me feel better thateveryone has these, but like, I
mean, you definitely have themwhen it's like making a doctor's
appointment.
You know, it was like just likea fucking, it's like climbing
Mount Everest.
It sits on your to-do list andit sits there and sits there,
and you're like, oh, but thenyou do it and you're like, wow,

(10:50):
that took one minute.
Like, just do it.

SPEAKER_01 (10:53):
No, I feel like I've had that thought so many times,
like, particularly with my car.
I, if there's anything that Ihave to do for my car, oil
change, going to get a stickerdoesn't matter.
It is the for some reason, it'sharder for me to do that than
like any other task.
And every time I put it off andthen I go and take care of it, I

(11:14):
always have the same thought ofthat was so easy.

SPEAKER_00 (11:16):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (11:17):
It was so easy.
Like, why couldn't you just donethis before?
But I just like can't get myselfto do it.
So I love what she said aboutthe under a minute, 1000%.
I feel like one thing we've alsokind of said is that a lot of
these self-help books are alllike a lot of the people who are
big in this space, they all kindof say a lot of the same stuff.
Like they really do.

(11:38):
They just package itdifferently.
But I was just listening to apodcast with Mel Robbins, and
she's, you know, like really bigin the kind of area.
And she has a similar thingwhere her whole like the whole
way she started was she has thisfive-second rule where like it's
she talks about it with gettingout of bed.
So she like was an alcoholic andwas having all this trouble with

(11:58):
money and like her family andblah, blah, blah.
And her biggest thing was likeshe was depressed, she couldn't
get out of bed.
So the minute that she thoughtabout getting out of bed, she
said there's like a five-secondwindow where you can get to me,
you can convince yourself to goback to sleep.
And she was like, I just countdown from five, and the minute I
hit one, I have to get up.
And she does that for anythingthat's like a task that she's na

(12:20):
that's nagging her and shedoesn't want to do it, instead
of like even letting herselfruminate on it.
She just says five, four, three,two, one and does it.
But it's very much in the samevein of like just do it.
And I totally agree with that.

SPEAKER_00 (12:32):
It makes a difference.
Yeah, like she definitely, Ifeel like was a lot about
prioritizing your future self.

SPEAKER_01 (12:38):
Yeah.
My second tip, but fourth tipoverall, this one I felt like
she, so she kind of says she has12 commandments.
We're not gonna read them all,but they're just like basically
things that help her stayaccountable.
So the two that stuck out to methat I felt like she referenced
the most, well, I'll just focuson the first one.
So the first one is just beGretchen.
Basically, she says how it's notgonna work if it's not in line

(13:02):
with who you are.
So you got to find out whatworks for you.
And like, I feel like we, whenwe've talked about things in the
past, like hobbies or exercise,like we've definitely agreed
with this.
Someone can tell you thatrunning a marathon or running is
like the most therapeutic thingthat you could do, or that
cooking is the most therapeuticthing that you can do.
But like, if it doesn't work foryou, it's not gonna work for

(13:23):
you.

SPEAKER_00 (13:24):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (13:24):
So I really like how she talked about that.
But I will say one other kind ofgripe I have with her on this is
like I do feel like sometimesshe was a little contradictory
in her recommendations.
Did you ever feel that?

SPEAKER_00 (13:41):
Oh, yeah.
The marriage one was, I feellike the worst chapter
contradictions, but yes.

SPEAKER_01 (13:47):
Oh, I'm curious to hear what you have to say about
that.
Because so, like, for instance,in this, what I what I thought
of when it like talked aboutthis about things that are
specific to you.
Like, so she says that in onebreath and she kept bringing it
up, bring it up.
But then, like, she talkedabout, I think in the the energy
chapter in January, she wastrying to find a way to like do
other exercise.

(14:07):
And she asked her friend if herfriend was happy with her
workout routine.
The friend said yes.
So Gretchen signs up.
Sure enough, it's like thestrength training thing, she
loves it, whatever.
And she said, I wrote it down.
She said, There's a theory onthis.
If you ask someone if they arehappy with something and you
start doing it, then you'regonna assume that you'll be
happy too.
But like, isn't that almost likea yeah, directly in

(14:29):
contradiction with what you'retalking about, about having it
be unique to you?

SPEAKER_00 (14:34):
Yeah, yeah, that's true.
Cause then I feel like I feellike it, I think it was like the
fun or leisure chapter where itwas a lot of people were writing
in for her blog.
She includes like a lot of blogposts from people, which was
like so very interesting.
Oh, that's when she talks a lotabout like how for one person,
like gardening might be likesomething that someone loves and
like they they enjoy gardening.

(14:54):
It doesn't, it's not work forthem.
But like for me, like I wouldnever want to garden.
Right.
That's not fun for me.
So yeah, but I feel like thatchapter especially, she was
going on and on and on aboutlike, don't do things that like
you know, just because likeeveryone else is going to the
club and like staying out late,like doesn't mean that it's fun
for everyone.
So yeah, it was definitelycontradictory a little bit.

SPEAKER_01 (15:14):
Yeah.
I but I I so I definitely feltlike that, and I definitely
agree with you in the marriagepart.
There was things that she saidthat I was kind of like, huh, I
feel like you're literallytelling us to do two opposite
things.
But I will say, on the like beGretchen commandment or do what
works for you.
I liked what she said aboutthink about your 10-year-old
self, you know, what did youlike as a child?

(15:35):
I think that advice is likefairly sound.

SPEAKER_00 (15:38):
No, honestly, it's so true.
Like, I mean, it's hard to thinkabout, but it is so true.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (15:45):
I will say my favorite things to do are to
dance and play tennis, which iswhat I did when I was younger.
So I just thought that waspretty interesting.
I also liked though, I so feltthis.
She said that when you do, likewe're saying, figure out what
works for you, you also kind ofhave a realization of what
you'll never be.
Like I think for us, we'vedefinitely, I mean, I would come

(16:07):
to accept that on the cookingfront.
Yeah.
You know, but like part of mewishes I could run a marathon.
And I'm sure I could, but Ireally would hate it, you know.

SPEAKER_02 (16:17):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (16:18):
But the idea of being a marathon runner, like
just giving that up, or we'llget to this.
One of her other things iscalled is about decluttering.
So I started to do that a littlebit around my house and I found
knitting stuff that I boughtlike three years ago.
I was convinced I was gonnaknit.
And I I threw it out.
But there's a part of me thatwas like, oh, I'm sad.
I'm just not, I'm not gonnaknit.

SPEAKER_00 (16:39):
Yeah, I feel like that doesn't.
I under I understand that, but Idon't feel like I feel like that
really.
Like if it's something I wantto, don't want to do, I am like
fine.
I'm like, yeah, I'm not thatperson.
I'm not a marathon runner andI'm fine with it.

SPEAKER_01 (16:52):
I'm envious of that because I feel I think it maybe
it just comes down to like aFOMO thing.
I just feel like I want to do itall.
I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 (16:59):
Yeah, I don't want to do it all.
I said it's lazy too.

SPEAKER_01 (17:04):
No, I love that.
I think that's knowing yourself.

SPEAKER_00 (17:06):
Yeah, true.
Glenn would be proud.
But yeah, the 10, the10-year-old self one, that
actually leads to my next onetoo, which was so for her, she
talked about when she wasyounger, she had these like
blank books, she called them.
And she they were basically likescrapbooks, and she would just
like you know, find thingsthroughout her life and her day,
like whether it's pictures orlike a fortune cookie or
something, like a quote, andjust kind of like put it in

(17:28):
these books.
And it was like fun for her, andthen it's also like a really
nice memento to like to lookback on that will make you feel
happy in the future.
So, yeah, so that's one I wantto do is start a scrapbook
because I want to make memories.
And I'm like, I've always like Iknow you do this the shutterfly
ones.
The shutterfly ones reallyoverwhelm me.
I don't know why.

(17:48):
I think I just prefer doing itlike with my hands, and like I
guess this makes me sound old,but like a physical thing rather
than like a shutterfly book.
So I think I'm gonna just try tomake a scrapbook for 2026.
That's my resolution.
I love that.
Yeah, not really sure how it'sgonna go, but I think I'm gonna
buy, I think I'm gonna ask forChristmas for some scrapbook

(18:10):
stuff.
I want to get a photo printer.
There's like, you know, so youcan just print it right from
your phone because that will bethat will really slow me down if
I have to go to CVS.
Yeah, and we'll see how it turnsout.
It might be polished forsomething, you know, that like
anyone could look at, or I mightjust like write random shit in
it and we'll see where it goes.

SPEAKER_01 (18:25):
Now, I feel like you have been talking about
documenting and saving for awhile now.
I think this is like a perfectone for you.

SPEAKER_00 (18:33):
Yeah, but I need to do it like in micro doses, which
is kind of like her thing.
It's like, you know, maybe sitdown every once in a while.
I like if I the thought of like,like I was like, oh, I could try
to do one for 2025, but like thethought of like creating one
now, going through all my photosis like no way.

SPEAKER_01 (18:49):
Yeah, no, I hear that.
I feel like though, maybe youshould put it somewhere like
even in your Google Calendar orsomething as a reminder to do it
so that it's like thataccessibility thing, like the
visibility.
True.

SPEAKER_00 (19:00):
But I'm hopeful that I will enjoy it enough that I'll
want to do it.
Yes, I love you know, I havelike my stickers on my phone.
I have I love putting mystickers on my Kindle.
Yes, that's so true.
Wait, no, that's so true.
Yeah, my water bottle hasstickers all over it.
And I love doing that stuff.
I don't have to make time.
It's like kitties.
I have infinite love and timefor cats.

SPEAKER_01 (19:21):
Oh my god, girl.
No, Ebony, this is per I lovethis.
I'm like very excited aboutthis.

SPEAKER_00 (19:26):
Me too.
Me too.

SPEAKER_01 (19:27):
Oh my god, yay.
I love that.
So, okay, so next one then.
My so this is number, this is mythird.
This is my third.
So she says this other one,another commandment that she
speaks to that helps her stayaccountable for her 12 focus
areas.
She says, act the way you wantto feel.
This is another thing.

(19:47):
I feel like, again, brokenrecord, but all of these
self-help people are saying thesame stuff.
I've heard this so many times,but I do think it's true.
I'm trying to give an example onthis one.
She says, like, I think she saidshe was just, you know, tired
one day.
And then she told herself, like,you're not tired.
You have energy, you're gettingready for the day.

(20:08):
And she just got up and startedlike doing as what what would an
energetic person do, right?
They would get up and go for awalk.
Fake it till you make it.
Fake it till you make it.
And I definitely think thatthat's true.
I think sometimes you have totrick your mind because it's
like no one, everyone resistschange.
If you're kind of in one stateof being and you're doing the
same things like every singleday, there's gonna be resistance
to any change that you make.

(20:30):
So just kind of like forcingyourself to do it and telling
yourself that you're like happyabout it can kind of trick your
mind.

SPEAKER_00 (20:37):
Yeah, I feel like that was like she talked a lot
about like the attitudeadjustment and just like I feel
like there was like a story withlike her father-in-law where she
was just like in a bad mood andit was about her, so her husband
has like hepatitis C and likethere's not really any cure.
So they're always likeresearching like what's the
latest in hepatitis C, whatever.
And her father-in-law was like,you know, trying to be positive

(20:59):
about it and was like, you know,at least they're making steps
while she just kept shooting himdown, you know, because her like
she wanted to protect herselffrom like feeling let down.
And then she would like to takea step back and was like, that
wasn't very nice.
Like, no one likes someone likethat.
Like, no one likes someone thatis just like complaining and
like, you know, just saying theopposite of everything you are,
and like never.

(21:19):
So it's not like that.

SPEAKER_01 (21:21):
She talked about that in the chapter that she was
also talking about.
She took some personality tests.
I actually went and took it, andthere's like five
characteristics, and one of themis agreeableness, and that was
like one that she ranked low on.
And so that's like the reasonwhy is because she just has a
natural inclination to want todebate or, you know, like yeah,
have the devil's advocate.
So she's just if someone sayssomething, she automatically

(21:43):
wants to find a way to likerebuff it just to have that like
argument.
But that actually kind of leadsto something.
It wasn't like one of mytakeaways, but she did say that
there was when you she wastalking about that, kind of like
the attitude adjustmentadjustment.
She said something about justhaving good manners and just the
way that you speak in youreveryday conversations has such

(22:03):
a big impact on how you makepeople feel and also just like
how, and and in response, that'sone of her truths, right?
Like how you make other peoplefeel is how is it's a key to
happiness.
And I've seen research on thattoo that I thought was
interesting.
Like you can tell people who arejust more agreeable or like just
baseline kind by the languagethat they use.

(22:24):
If they just say, like, if theyjust reaffirm someone and say,
Oh, that's a great idea, or likeI like love that you said that,
or just small things like that.

SPEAKER_00 (22:33):
Smiling more, I think was one.
Yes, definitely.
Yeah.
So that was that wasinteresting.
Oh, another one.
So yeah, moving on from that,another one, actually, this is
reminding me, another one Ireally liked was it was like
giving positive feedback andlike telling someone, you know,
when you're appreciative of themor when they've like done a good
job.
I think it came up a lot in likethe marriage chapter.

(22:56):
I think she said for every onecriticism, like it takes five
compliments to like negate thatcriticism.

SPEAKER_01 (23:03):
I'm so happy you brought that up.
I wanted to ask you about that.
Do you agree with that?
So it sounds like you do.
Yeah, I I agree with that.

SPEAKER_00 (23:09):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (23:09):
I agree with that.
Yeah, I I can see that.
People think about likenegativity bias.
People remember what you like,you could have five compliments,
and then that one negative one,that's what you're gonna
remember.

SPEAKER_00 (23:19):
Oh, yeah, totally.
100%.
And like it's just so nice tolike if someone, you know, plans
a party, like you know that'slike a lot of work, a lot of
time, a lot of effort, just tosay, like, oh, you did such a
great job.
Like, you know, give them kindof like their flowers, and then
that that will mean so much moreto them than like if you know
you just left.
Or like that will just maketheir day, you know.

(23:40):
Affirmation, baby.
Yeah, showing your appreciateappreciation.

SPEAKER_01 (23:44):
Well, okay, can we get into the marriage chapter?
Because that's I have I havethoughts.

SPEAKER_00 (23:50):
Yeah, I thought her the marriage chapter was a
little outdated.
Like the part when she was like,men are just this way and women
are just this way.
And once I realized that menwere like that way, like then I
just had to realize like it wasjust me who needed to let it go
and let my husband like do.
And I was like, no, I don't knowabout that.

SPEAKER_01 (24:08):
Yeah, like okay, so like the marriage section.
A lot of what she talks about inthis is in one sense, reframing
your own thoughts.
Like, what can you control?
And it's your reaction, yourresponses, like, which I
understand and I do thinkthere's merit to that.
But one of the things that shetalks about underneath her
marriage chapter isexpectations, basically.

(24:31):
She says, don't do anythingexpecting anything in return.
So don't make dinner and thenexpect your husband to be
grateful for it or whatever.
Like, just do it because youwant to do it.
And then you won't be resentfulif no one notices or gives you
praise because you weren'tlooking for that in the
beginning.
So that was like the firstthing.
And I kind of was like, okay, Ican understand that.

(24:53):
Like I've definitely fallen intothat with work before where I've
done maybe like gone above andbeyond, and I'm expecting all
this praise for it and like youdon't get it.

SPEAKER_00 (25:02):
But yeah, her example.
So I remember her example fromthis one.
It was she was doing like, so Iguess instead of doing Christmas
cards, she does like Valentine'sDay cards, sends them out to
people, and she like did all thework.
She got the photos, she printedthem out, she got them all.
She was like sitting down withher husband at night to watch TV
and she was like, Do you want tolike stuff or like seal?

(25:22):
And he was like, I don't want todo this.
Like, why do I have to do this?
And then like her takeaway waslike, Oh, well, this was my idea
to do the cards.
Like, I'm the one that wanted todo this.
So, like, it's fair that hedoesn't want to.
Maybe I should just let him offthe hook because I'm the one
that wanted to do this, whichlike I feel like that is a very
trivial example.
So I can kind of see where she'scoming from with that.

(25:44):
I thought that example was notthe best.

SPEAKER_01 (25:48):
Well, I like I agree with you.
I think the example makes sensefor what she's saying.
But that is something that,yeah, is trivial totally.
And like, I do I do thinkthere's merit to the idea.
Like, I think it's not all ornothing.
There are probably aresituations where you can let
that roll off your back likethat one.
But as it as a fundamentalprinciple, like I don't think

(26:09):
that's necessarily sustainable.
I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 (26:12):
Like, if if you're like, oh, I put my kids to bed
every single night, like, canyou just do it once?
Like, that's more like, no, likethe other person has a
responsibility to put their kidsto bed too.
Exactly.

SPEAKER_01 (26:23):
And like it was, and the thing is too, it wasn't just
that that was like the onlything that kind of bugged me
about that chapter.
It was that, plus, it was thefact that like her other
resolutions were like quitnagging, which okay, sure.
But like, no dumping.
So, like, if you're it wasbasically to me, it felt like
everything that no dumping, Ithink she was just basically

(26:44):
like, if you're having a badday, don't dump it on your
partner or something like that.
I can't remember exactly.
Quit nagging is prettyself-explanatory, but it kind of
felt like every singleresolution she had was like,
silence yourself.
Like, don't speak, don't say howyou feel.
And I just was like, how is thatever how I don't think that's
right?
Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (27:04):
No, I totally it felt like the onus was like all
on her.

SPEAKER_01 (27:08):
Yes, that's and like it shouldn't be.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (27:11):
Sometimes like there is a time to speak up, or like,
yeah, I think she says she waslike planning her
mother-in-law's birthday partyand like no one else was helping
her.
And she was like, Well, I guessI'm the one that wanted to have
this party, and now I'm the onethat gets the satisfaction of
making my mother-in-law sohappy, and I'm the one that gets
so much satisfaction out of thisparty.
So, like, just deal with it.
And I like I was like, I don'tthink that's that's right.

(27:32):
I don't agree.
This feels wrong.
I mean, maybe you love planningparties or something, but it
didn't seem like she did.

SPEAKER_01 (27:39):
So no, yeah.
I that was like something Ididn't necessarily agree with.
I think that was maybe again.
I think you agreed with this,like your least favorite
chapter.
Yeah, probably.
Yeah.
Another tip, I would say likethe other one that I thought was
kind of interesting was shetalked about, she has a lot of
frameworks in here, becausewe're gonna throw another one at
you.

(27:59):
She talks about the four stagesof happiness, which I liked
because I do think it's I dobelieve in this.
So she says, anticip you shesaid to me, really reach like
maximum happiness.
You there's four stagesanticipation.
So the planning of it.
She talks about this likeplanning a vacation, the fun in
figuring out where you're gonnago and like what are you gonna

(28:20):
do and just the buildup.
I always love to tell thisstory.
I might have even told it onhere before, but I will I one of
my favorite memories of when mysecond niece, Sophia, was
little.
She's so cute and she loves,she's very domestic.
And I remember it was just meand her.
I can't remember where her oldersister was.
Her brothers weren't born, andshe was such a nugget, and we
made a list of everything wewere gonna do that night when we

(28:41):
were babysitting.
She making the list was the bestpart.
That's so cute.
She, but like that's it was theanticipation she loved making
the list.
She was like, Okay, that's aperfect example.
Yeah.
Yes.
And like actually painting hernails wasn't even as fun as just
saying we're gonna do it.

SPEAKER_00 (28:59):
So like checking it off.

SPEAKER_01 (29:02):
Yeah, check right, checking it off.
Yeah, I can't remember the otherthings, but I remember nails was
definitely on there.
And yeah, so when she said that,I was like, Oh, that's so true.
Like planning is a lot of timeshalf the fun.
Savoring, so are you like in themoment, experiencing it,
expressing happiness, talkingabout it, lastly, reliving it.

(29:22):
And this is really like comingdown to the build-building
memories.
Are you scrapbooking?
Are you documenting?
So you can go back and look atphotos and relive that happy
moment.
I thought that was a nice way tothink about things.
Like, yeah, and also reframe somuch of it is reframing,
reframing planning and all ofthat.
Like we're doing an ornamentswap coming up.
You know, maybe it's not a hugedeal, but like planning it could

(29:42):
be seen as a stressful thing.
It's like it's like reframing tosay, like, oh, what am I gonna,
what are we gonna make?

SPEAKER_00 (29:47):
Or like, what are we gonna or like I'm I'm so proud
of us for like doing this andfor setting a date.
And I I can't wait to have anornament that I can look back on
next year and be like, oh,remember we did that ornament
swap?
Like, just you'll always havelike that fun memory.

unknown (29:59):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (30:00):
Was like kind of leads to one of mine too.
I like I think it was her firstlike truth, real truth, or
whatever.
How she says, like being happy,it's like acknowledging your
right, you're wrong, whatever,in an atmosphere of growth.
Like, I've never really thoughtabout it like that.
But it kind of like is the samething where it's like the
journey.
It's like you always want to begrowing.
Like the second you kind of likereach the goal, it's almost like

(30:22):
okay, well, like now what'snext?
And yeah, so I guess it was justlike kind of reframing it to be
like, you know, you always wantto be kind of like growing in
some way, shape, or form, orelse you're not gonna find
happiness.

SPEAKER_01 (30:33):
Honestly, I think that might be like one of the
biggest takeaways was theatmospheric growth.
Yeah, yeah.
She talks a lot about this thingcalled the, I don't know if I'm
gonna pronounce it correctly,hedonistic treadmill.
Hedonistic, I think, yeah.
And basically, it's just that,you know, people think that if

(30:54):
they get the house or they getthe job or they get to the
destination, they're gonna behappy.
But often those things likebring more challenges.
You now have bills and things,or you have new responsibilities
that you have to up here.
And like basically saying likeyou can work really hard to get
something, and it's kind ofamazing how the human brain can
just quickly adapt to that aslike your baseline.

(31:15):
And it actually doesn't make youmore happy.
Like new clothes, perfectexample.
You go and you get something newfrom the store, you're so happy
you get that jolt of a newthing, and it's like exciting
and happy, but then when you putit in your closet, I mean, how
often do you you don't reallyget that same feeling?
Maybe the first thing you wearis it?

SPEAKER_00 (31:34):
Yeah, yeah, that's a great example.
It has to be like it has to besome kind of like novelty to it
or something.

SPEAKER_01 (31:40):
Yeah.
So she says, like, it's justalways about that's why like
learning new skills in thehobbies piece, and just you
know, developing a new skill setis so rewarding in and of
itself, and that's really whatyou should be focusing on.
And I think, like, I mean,bringing it back to the pod, I
think that's a good example ofthis for us.
We didn't know what we weredoing when we started this, and
I think every month we've kindof figured out new things.

(32:03):
Yeah.
And it's just like the processof doing it is like the
rewarding part of you know,saying that we figured something
out and we're learning.

SPEAKER_00 (32:10):
True.
Yeah, like I feel like some ofthe fun, most fun of the pod is
the our business meetings whenwe like do all our planning and
behind the scenes stuff.
I love our business meetings.
Yeah, I love business meetings,yeah.
Um yeah, no, I think the lastone I had was it was when she
was talking about like findingyour own passions and like just
finding, you know, little thingsthat can just give you like a

(32:32):
little happiness boost in theday.
And one of mine was I was liketrying to think about like okay,
like I think hers was like herpassions were like books and
like I don't know, literatureand shit.
Yeah, I was like, I feel likeone of mine could be music.
She she says she's not intomusic, so I think that's what
prompted.
I was like, oh, I feel likemusic could be one for mine.
I love singing, I love singingin the car.

(32:53):
I usually drive my kids toschool in the morning and I like
to either listen to snitch andpod or sing in the car.
And I feel like anytime I'm likeget out of the car after, like,
even if I'm in a bad mood and Ilike sing some songs in the car,
I feel just a little bit better,you know?
That's so true.
Yeah.
And just like getting more intomusic and like just putting it

(33:13):
on more, I think will justnaturally make me feel happier
without like really trying.

SPEAKER_01 (33:19):
Yeah, I think that's a great call.
I love that.
I have one more now, though.
I think I'm over my five, but Ihave one more.

SPEAKER_00 (33:24):
Okay.

SPEAKER_01 (33:25):
So she talks about one of the first things that she
does is she declutters herhouse.
And the whole premise is likeshe basically, I guess Marie
Kondoing, like just she taughtthere's a few, I don't know how
to like frame it in the waythat.

SPEAKER_00 (33:37):
One of the things she talks about is like her her
kids have like these random toyseverywhere, you know, like
keychains and like shit you getfrom McDonald's, and they look
so clutter, but then she boughtlike some these like nice, like
I don't know if they were likevase things or like just these
like nice plastic containers andput them all in there, and it
just looked so much better andso much more organized and like

(33:58):
it actually looked good, and itwasn't that much effort.
Yeah, that was a good example.

SPEAKER_01 (34:02):
That's a great example, and it just yeah, and
it just makes you, I think it'slike appreciating what you have.
It's like, and I think it goesalong with everything she's
talking about, just like beingmindful about what you're
saying, what you're thinking,like choosing all those things.
It's kind of the same of likechoosing your stuff.
And she talked about like whenshe starts, people have these
different attachments, maybebecause of like sentimental

(34:24):
reasons, or they think one daythey'll need it.
But then if you never end upusing it, it actually makes you
kind of feel bad about likemaking a poor purchase.
And so I kind of went throughthis because I'm not someone
that likes to keep a lot ofstuff.
Like I like to live light, and Iwas cleaning out that one
cabinet and I cleaned out acouple things in my kitchen.
And there's like here's aperfect example.
I have an electric wine opener Iuse.

(34:45):
It's been sitting on my counter,taking up counter space for
almost four years.
And I have never once used it.
Like never once.
I mean, maybe once when I firstbought it, but like literally
never once.
And I was like, why am I keepingthis?
Like, this is silly.
It's taking up cap, it's takingup counter space.
And like maybe I want to use itone day, but I'm not going to.

(35:07):
So it felt really good to likeget it out of there because why
look at something that I nevereven use?
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (35:14):
Yeah.
Totally.
It just makes like you even ifyour environment just like looks
better and more appealing, thenlike it will make you feel
better.

SPEAKER_01 (35:21):
Yes, exactly.
So I just loved that.

SPEAKER_00 (35:24):
I would say overall, I enjoyed this book.
Same.
I did too.
I think I I liked Untamed maybea little bit better because I I
did feel a little overwhelmedreading this book, but I liked
this one.
There's definitely like, yeah, Ithink to your point, it's a
perfect time to read it becausenow I'm like, oh, what are all
the things I'm gonna do thisyear?

unknown (35:42):
Yes.

SPEAKER_01 (35:43):
Yeah, I totally agree.
I think I actually think I likedit a little bit more than
Untamed for that reasonspecifically.
I kind of left away.
I like walked away from itmotivated to figure out what I
can do to make changes.

SPEAKER_00 (35:57):
Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (35:58):
Compared to Untamed, where I feel like I left feeling
motivated, but not maybe with asmany like action items.

SPEAKER_00 (36:03):
Yeah, yeah.
Like untamed is more you justkind of sit with it.
I liked this one too.
And I feel like it really gotthe point across.
Like I've always heard like youhave to try to be happy, you
know?

SPEAKER_02 (36:12):
Yes.

SPEAKER_00 (36:13):
Like that's a hundred percent true.
It's like you, it's it's easier.
I I was saying this thisweekend, it's easy to be heavy,
it's hard to be light.
Like, meaning like it's easy tobe negative, like a negative
Nancy or whatever, and justlike, you know, be the devil's
advocate, but like it's harderto be like a nice, lighter, like
you know, more f fun-lovingperson.
So yeah, like there are you dohave to kind of work at it.

SPEAKER_01 (36:36):
Yeah, a hundred percent.
I like the idea of like puttingeffort towards happiness, and I
like having a pers like aprescription to do it.

SPEAKER_00 (36:46):
And doing it in your day-to-day life in like a you
know, very small way, like evenlike you said about writing all
your resolutions so they'reright in front of your face
every day.
Like that's such an easy thing.
Or like, like I said, likeputting on music in the
background, like that's such aneasy thing to do that it all
adds up, you know.

SPEAKER_01 (37:02):
Yeah, and starting a scrapbook, like a small thing
that can bring so much happinessfor your future self for years
to come.

SPEAKER_00 (37:08):
I know.
Well, I was like, this is likeyour version of the journals,
like the documenting.
Cause like I try to do journals,but I feel like my hand hurts.
And it's just, yeah, I I likedhow she had one of her things
was like doing, I think she saidlike a one, like a one-word
journal where she would likewrite down just like a couple
words from that day, like stufflike that.
But yeah, I'm excited about myscrapbook.
Keep y'all posted.

SPEAKER_01 (37:29):
I know.
I'm glad we reread this one.
I liked this.
I thought this was a good yeah.
No, I liked I liked this bookand it was a good read.
I would recommend.
What would you give it for arating?
Out of 10, probably seven.

SPEAKER_00 (37:40):
I think I'm gonna do an 8.5 on this one.
I'm definitely buying Chris thisbook for Christmas, and I'm
gonna force him to read it.

SPEAKER_01 (37:46):
I'm curious what he's gonna think about it.
I feel like he would like it.
Me too.
I think he's like us in thesense that he likes structure.

SPEAKER_00 (37:54):
Definitely.
Definitely.

SPEAKER_01 (37:58):
Okay, let's finish by talking about our favorite
show.
I'm sad.
I know.
I'm like sad about it.
Dancing with the stars is over.

SPEAKER_00 (38:07):
Sad.

SPEAKER_01 (38:08):
He's sad.
Congratulations to the MirrorBall winners, season 34, Robert
and Whitney.
What did like how did you feelabout them winning?

SPEAKER_00 (38:18):
Okay, I have to say, in his instant dance, he messed
up and they gave him all tens.
Like, what the fuck?
And I'm I mean, I'm happy forRobert.
Like, he he he does deserve it.
I think, I mean, everyone I'vetalked to thinks Alex should
have won.
Like, I think she should havewon.
I think it's way harder to belike a girl doing the girl
dancing than the boy dancing.
But I will say, like, Robert wasalways the first one like

(38:40):
hugging people when they got offthe stage.
Like, you can tell he's a verylike warm, genuine, nice person.
So, like, I'll always vote forsomeone like that.
But the other thing, I think, somy Chris's aunt brought this up,
and I was like, Whoa, that's sotrue.
Like, he definitely had like allof Australia voting for him, and
that's why his sister won too.

SPEAKER_01 (38:57):
Oh, yeah, I I agree.
I could so see that.
Yeah, I mean, we forget though,he also had the biggest TikTok
following, and the Dancing withthe Stars cast lives on TikTok.
Yeah.
So yeah, I think I agree.
I think he had all of Australia,and I think he had a good part
of America because of hispersonality, to your point, but
totally agree.
I was outraged at that perfectscore of his instant dance.

(39:20):
That was ridiculous.
Yeah.
My jaw drop.
Jaw drop.
I wonder if they just like werelooking down at that part.
Because I was like, maybe, and Ithink also he was maybe turned
away from them.
I don't know how they all missedit.

SPEAKER_00 (39:32):
Yeah, I don't know.
Yeah, I know.
Skeptical of the city.
I don't think they did it onpurpose or anything.
But it was a real slip.
It's it's hard to figure out.

SPEAKER_01 (39:42):
Well, especially because right, I remember right
before that, Elaine went and didhers, and she messed up too,
like no doubt.
But they gave her all nines, andI'm always very defensive of her
judging.
And but they gave him a 10.
I was like, really?

SPEAKER_00 (39:56):
Yeah.
I didn't love the instant dance,honestly.
That's new, right?

SPEAKER_01 (40:01):
I think they might have done it last year, but I
don't like it either.
It I they've done it one otheryear at least.
I can't remember if it was inthe finals though, but it's I
don't think that that danceshould get like as much merit in
the scoring as the other dances.

SPEAKER_00 (40:16):
Yeah, I agree.
I actually Chris's cousin showedme this thing where it showed
like Robert the so like I thinkthey got the cha cha for his
instant dance, Robert andWhitney, and they like redid a
good like their theircha-cha-cha that they'd already
redone.
So it's like the samechoreograph, which I was like,
that's not surprising.
But like, yeah, which to yourpoint makes it even more like

(40:37):
they already did this dance.

SPEAKER_01 (40:39):
I guess, I guess in one way, maybe it's like, how
can you, yeah, like how wellhave you retained what you
learned to just pull it out?
But it's stressful.
I don't, I don't love them.
I was really impressed withDylan and Daniela's instant
dance.
Yeah.
I did not have high expectationsfor them.
Yeah.
And I thought he did reallywell.

(40:59):
He did.
Um I did vote for Alex.
I thought that's who I thoughtshould have won as well.
I I I mean, happy for Robert.
I just will say though, I thinkthat their freestyle might have
been my least favorite of thewhole night.

SPEAKER_00 (41:11):
Yeah, I feel like I can barely remember his now,
honestly.

SPEAKER_01 (41:15):
They started in kind of like the back portion where
it was not on the dance floor.
They were kind of in like alight, oh kind of box type of
thing.
Yeah.
And then they came out and didthe dance to Avici's nights.

SPEAKER_00 (41:30):
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (41:32):
I think what it was was that the first three
freestyles were killer.

SPEAKER_00 (41:37):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (41:38):
Loved Alex's man eater.
She was fierce.
She crushed it.
Yeah.
I loved that one too.
Crushed it.
Dylan and Daniela, so smart todo contemporary.
That works so well for him.
He's strong.
He can do like f you know, likehe can do the handstands,
certain things.
He can grab, you know, he cantoss her around.

(41:59):
Like, I thought that was reallysmart on his part.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And then I loved, I know thiswas an unpopular opinion.
I don't think people thoughtthat Elaine and Alan's freestyle
was like as good as the others.
I loved it.

SPEAKER_00 (42:13):
Yeah.
I I loved how Lee, what isthere?
Lisa Ann Walters.

SPEAKER_02 (42:17):
Lisa Ann Walter.

SPEAKER_00 (42:18):
I loved that she was in it.
That like definitely gave it ahuge boost.
And yeah, I loved how sheinvolved like some of the people
that had gotten out and stufflike that.
Like it was very like teamoriented, I felt like.
But I do get why people like thepart when they were like
pretending to be like at acasting call or whatever.
Like I was like, this isn't thatgood.

(42:39):
But I liked, you know, I Ithought it was I liked the the
feel.
It was cute.

SPEAKER_01 (42:43):
I just thought I like it made I was smiling the
whole time.
And I loved Broadway of it all.
I think because they did wickedthat he felt maybe able to do
that.
Yeah.
I really hadn't seen a dancelike that before.
That was so like a story type ofthing.

SPEAKER_00 (42:57):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (42:57):
Yeah, that's true.
And then Jordan's was awesometoo.
Oh, I love Jordan's.

SPEAKER_00 (43:02):
I thought hers was awesome.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (43:03):
I felt like Ezra did a great job of making her the
star of the show, and shecrushed it.

SPEAKER_00 (43:09):
Yeah.
I the only thing with hers was Ididn't understand, I didn't put
it together when she was dancingwith the other girl with her
name down her leg.
What is it?
Normani.
Normani, yeah.
I didn't, I was like, who's thisperson?
That was a little confusing, butI loved the Beyoncé, like loved
the song choice.
I loved her little grills in hermouth.
Yeah.
And I loved, yeah, like thechain link fence was like so

(43:30):
cool.
I thought, yeah, I loved herfreestyle.
Me too.
That's music for sure.

SPEAKER_01 (43:35):
Did you feel like when you were watching in the
beginning when they had all thepros come back?
There was so many pros where Iwas like, whoa, totally forgot
about you.
Like, hey, Hilaria.
Hadn't thought about youanymore?

SPEAKER_00 (43:45):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

unknown (43:47):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (43:47):
Hey, Corey Feldman.
Yeah.
Like I liked Whitney much betteras like a side character.

SPEAKER_01 (43:52):
Yeah.
Oh, well, did you see that herand Mark Ballast went on Call
Her Daddy the day after thepremiere?
Oh, yeah.
They and they recorded on thedance floor their own freestyle
and premiered it on thatpodcast.

SPEAKER_00 (44:06):
Yeah, I forgot.
I heard about that.
I didn't watch it.
Did you watch it?

SPEAKER_01 (44:10):
I watched it.
It was different than the normalbecause it's not live.
The lighting was kind of funky.
It was a little distraction, alittle distracting.
I didn't love it, but I did findthe whole thing a little
thirsty.
Yeah, a little sore losery.
It was just kind of like no oneelse gets to do a dance.

(44:31):
Like, why are you the day afterwe're celebrating Robert and all
these people?
And then like she drops this.
It felt like are like chasingclout and like.

SPEAKER_00 (44:41):
I also found out that she went to college like
for dance.
That's more unfair than even theOlympic gymnasts.
And so, yeah, so Chris is Chrishas a cousin who's like very
into dance.
She's like almost like a dancemom type thing.
I mean, she wants, she goes toschool in California.
She like her goal is to be likea backup dancer.
I was like, Would you be ondancing with SARS?
But I she doesn't do ballroom.

(45:01):
I guess the only people that doballroom are in Utah.
And then his other cousin, theold his older sister, was like
wicked good at gymnastics, likea really I she obviously wasn't
in the Olympics, but like a, youknow, a very competitive
gymnast.
So I was asking them, I waslike, is it fair that the
gymnasts, like I would thinkthat would be so unfair?
And they were like, oh no, Idon't think so, because gymnasts
is like much more rigid andstuff.
So I guess I have to take backwhat I said about all the

(45:23):
gymnasts.
I still think it's a littleunfair, but it's way more unfair
that Whitney like went tocollege for dancing.
That's like if Chris's cousinnow was on it.
Like, that's totally not fair.

SPEAKER_01 (45:34):
Yeah, I think she got the brunt of that backlash.
Like people, even on ourTikToks, when we would post
stuff, like the most of thecomments would be like Whitney
shouldn't be on here becauseshe's like a professional
dancer.
Yeah.
Yeah, I get it.
I get it.
I just, I just don't I justdidn't like the move of like
doing the dance after the fact.
Like you got off.
Yeah.
You got kids, like just sort oftake that.

(45:57):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Like, and why do you have to doit the day after the premiere?
Like, I would even I would evenbe a little bit better if it was
this week.
The fact that it was rightafter, I was like, I just don't
love that.

SPEAKER_00 (46:08):
Yeah, yeah.
And I wouldn't be surprised ifshe like went on their tour or
whatever.

SPEAKER_01 (46:13):
I mean, I think she should because, or I could see
her definitely like even gettinga Broadway thing after this.
Like, so I saw someone say thathonestly the perfect move would
be for her to play like RoxyHart, just like Ariana Maddox
did on Broadway because they'llprobably get a boost in tickets
again.
And yeah, whatever.

SPEAKER_00 (46:33):
I'm not seeing it.
I'm dying to see who RobertIrwin's girlfriend is.
He's gonna have a girlfriend infive minutes, and I'm excited
for him.
I want to see who it is.

SPEAKER_01 (46:43):
Yeah, me too.
I was really honestly with theirwin, I was actually, I think,
more happy for Whitney.
I was happy for her.
Yeah, because she's been on theshow a long time, like 15
seasons, and she's she won hersecond or third season, and then
she's never won since.
And she was rock of Milo season.
Like they absolutely should havewon.
It would have been like a BobbyBones won that season, and

(47:05):
Whitney and Milo came in second.
Bobby Bones was like a DylanEfron, but like worse.
Like I would say between a Ididn't watch that season, but
I've seen clips of my Milo andWhitney, and I'm deep on the
lore, so I know it happened.
Everyone says that the that'sthe big season that the winner
was robbed because Bobby Boneswas far and away below.

SPEAKER_00 (47:24):
I mean, I saw that one dance that you sent me of
Milo's, and they recreated itthis year, and it was sick, so I
believe that.
And yeah, she's I mean, she shekicks ass.
She's good.

SPEAKER_01 (47:34):
But you know, now that we're talking about it, he
was 17 on that season, and hewas like a Disney kid and was
like fully dance trained.

SPEAKER_00 (47:42):
Yeah, true.
Like if you're like in highschool musical, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (47:46):
Like, is that fair?
I don't know.
Yeah, no one likes that.

SPEAKER_00 (47:52):
I know.
I feel like I'm I've been askingpeople too now that you know I
like am a dancer with stars fan,I can talk about it.
And like everyone I talk to,it's like, yeah, no one wants
like the people that can dance,like the Fifth Harmony girl
who's dancing to her own fuckingsong.
Like, that's not fair.

SPEAKER_01 (48:07):
I forgot about her too.

SPEAKER_00 (48:09):
Yeah, I did too, but I remembered when I saw her
again.
So yeah, I wish there was asecond season this year.

SPEAKER_01 (48:16):
I know we're gonna have to wait now a whole like
nine months, but we'll figureout our next show.
This weekend I binged the newStranger Things, the first four
episodes.
Oh, is it good?
Very good.
I'm enjoying it.

SPEAKER_00 (48:30):
Chris and I just started re-watching the the last
season because it came out likesix years ago, so I don't
remember any of it.

SPEAKER_01 (48:38):
Yeah, it's it's good.
I'm excited to hear what youhave to what you think.
Scary?
Not more than normal.
I mean, I think the thing is nowto like we know what the
demogorgons look like.

SPEAKER_00 (48:49):
Yeah, it's less scary.

unknown (48:50):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (48:51):
We know what you know the the villains look like,
so yeah, less scary.
But there is, and I don't wantto give it away, there is
something that happens that Iwas very surprised by and very
happy about.
Oh.

SPEAKER_00 (49:05):
Oh, I'm excited.
Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (49:08):
So that's all we have time for today.
We hope everyone enjoyed ourbook club, The Happiness Pro.
I'm I I really like this one.
I like this whole combo.
So I'm feeling motivated.

SPEAKER_00 (49:18):
Yeah, let us know.
I feel like if people uh doanything or have any ideas like
my scrapping idea, let us know.
We should post them and it wouldbe just be so fun to share.

SPEAKER_01 (49:29):
Yeah.
We should also say, too, thatfor the month of December, just
as a heads up, we are tryingsomething a little new for this
month.
We are trying to get a few moreguest episodes than normal.
So we are gonna be doing ourFriday episodes like normal,
where it's just the two of uscatching up, talking pop
culture.
But don't be surprised if wehave some more guests on in the

(49:52):
month of December than wenormally do.
And really, we would love anyfeedback on whether you guys
like those episodes or want tokind of keep with just
Wednesdays.
So let us know.

SPEAKER_00 (50:04):
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I know, same.
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