June 1, 2024 • 51 mins
When faith and identity intersect, the journey can be both enlightening and fraught with complexity. Join us as Sho Whitener welcomes Ty Rashad to share his poignant story of navigating life as an androgynous individual, shaped by harrowing experiences of trauma, molestation, and abandonment. Together, we create a space for respectful dialogue, examining how faith influences identity and the balance of masculine and feminine traits. Ty’s narrative offers a unique insight into the personal struggles and triumphs within the LGBTQ community.
Our conversation broadens to explore the diverse spectrum of LGBTQ identities. We delve into the distinctions between lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, and queer, and the societal implications of these labels. By reflecting on the tension between acceptance and ostracism, we discuss how the community evolves and the importance of preserving its integrity amidst external influences. This episode navigates the fine line between personal identity and societal perception, offering a thoughtful critique of the LGBTQ acronym's ever-expanding nature.
Gender identity and expression form the crux of our final discussions. From the inclusion of groups like asexual and ally to the immutable aspects of biological gender, we delve into the nuanced landscape of identity. We address the challenges of using pronouns such as "they/them" and the impact of fashion on personal expression. Through insightful anecdotes, we highlight the struggles and victories of those who don’t fit traditional gender categories, emphasizing the importance of acceptance and understanding. Tune in for a heartfelt and thought-provoking episode of "So You Think You’re Gay.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Why is it so many alphabets?
It's like it changes every day.
We're going to talk about whythere's so many alphabets.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
We're going to talk about how the world takes
everything that can't benormalized to them and puts it
in a box that they can thenunderstand.
That's what we're going to talkabout, but we're not going to
talk about that right now.
We're going to start the cutand action tape.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
Man.
Lower your vocal cords.
You're loud, You're going.
What does God say about this?
How did you get here?
Who gave this to you?
Don't you even know how this?
Speaker 3 (00:27):
came to be.
Can you live like this?
For real, for real, what does?
Speaker 1 (00:33):
God say about this?
So you think you're gay?
What's up everybody.
I'm your host, shal White, andyou are tuning in to the podcast
.
So you think you're gay?
This platform is strictly forexploring the lgbtq community
(00:55):
and people who reside within it.
I myself used to be a part ofthe community.
I am a christian and I dobelieve that you can come away
from it.
I do believe that it's notgod's best a Christian, and I do
believe that you can come awayfrom it.
I do believe that it's notGod's best for you and I do
believe you can be delivered.
Now, here's the deal.
I'm not bashing.
This platform is a lovingplatform.
I want to know people's stories.
I want to hear how you got towhere you are, why you are the
(01:19):
way you are, and do you plan onstanding that way.
So this podcast you'redefinitely going to hear a lot
of truths.
You're going to hear a lot ofdisagreements, and that's fine,
you know.
It doesn't mean that I don'tlove you or we don't love each
other.
We just disagree.
If you choose to live thelifestyle, that's great.
I want to know why, how, whomade you?
Why Do you plan on standingthat way?
Whatever the case may be.
(01:40):
We're going to talk about itall right here on this platform.
So thanks for tuning in.
I have somebody that's in thestudio today.
Are you an active part of theLGBT community or are you like,
foot in foot out I'm foot in,foot out, he's foot in foot out.
Are you a Christian?
I'm a Christian, he's aChristian and he believes in.
Now I'm two foot in theChristian, okay, and so we're
(02:06):
going to be going back and forth.
Right, he has a story, I have astory, and this is Ty Rashad,
ty Rashad, right and, and, andhe Can y'all input the applause
right there.
Right, so you dress is.
I don't want to call it dragbecause I don't want to be
offensive, right, so it's calledwhat?
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Well, there's a few different terms for that.
Today, the term that I grew upwith is androgyny.
Androgyny, so the androgynousis, like you know, it can be a
male or female.
That kind of has that balanceof both identities, right, you
know?
And they balance them very well.
So that's kind of what I do.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
Right, you know, and they balance them very well.
So that's kind of what I doRight.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
So you do it to where the makeup is.
I mean, my God, all right Now,thank you.
So, yeah, the makeup me being amakeup artist definitely you
know it changes the features ofthe face and stuff like that.
When I say androgyny, I'mdefinitely speaking of more
overall.
I'm definitely speaking of moreoverall and I know that
typically androgyny will be thebalance as that unit, like you
know, in that opinion, boththose appearances of me, more
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feminine and more masculine youshould still see those feminine
traits when I'm dressed likethis.
You should see the masculinetraits when I'm dressed in the
pictures that you'll show me.
All right, but yeah, also alsothe flip, though the versatility
is considered androgyny.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
Okay, so this episode is twofold.
Okay, so I do have a Patreonthat is called the escape room,
right, and so the escape roomthis will be not surface level
conversation about the LGBTQlifestyle, right, but in the
escape room we're going to getjust a little bit underneath um
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the surface and dig a littledeeper into how we got the way
we were.
Okay, well, I say were.
I don't know where you are inthat, but you'll say where.
Okay, what I am strictly, honey, understand that there'll be no
pause breaks.
Okay, there is one way.
Okay, jesus is the way, thetruth and the life.
I feel there is one way andthat is man with a woman.
(04:10):
All right, okay, anyway.
So in the escape room we'regoing to talk you know how the
stories evolved and how we endedup in the lifestyle and then I
want to talk about exits.
You know what I mean, becausehere's the thing, not everybody
(04:32):
wants to exit the lifestyle.
So we're going to give you a bitof perspective here.
We're going to give you someChristian perspective and we're
going to give you some lifeperspectives and some hows and
things like that.
Life perspectives, and you knowsome house and you know things
like that.
So thanks for coming on theshow, man.
My microphone is really justlike sliding down.
(04:54):
It's doing the dip, you know,and I don't like it.
But thanks for tuning in y'alland we're going to get right
into it.
So, ty Rashad, so you're onefoot in, one foot out.
How did you get here?
Let's start there.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
So how I got here is through trauma.
I got here through molestation,abandonment and.
I think those are like two ofthe main issues that had me so
(05:32):
consumed that I got wrapped upinto whatever I submitted to
Right.
And so when I say one foot inand one foot out, you don't wear
a mustache and a wig and hidewho you are.
So I say one foot in and onefoot out because I do believe in
(05:52):
God.
I know that.
You know he sent his son to dieon the cross for our sins.
That's the you know, savingknowledge of Christ, right, and
I believe that in my heart.
But I'm real about my strugglesand I'm living in them, the way
that I'm suffering in them.
I don't, I don't mask it andand no shade.
(06:13):
No shade to the drinker anddrink at home.
I don't, I can't.
Mine is worn on my sleeve, youcan see it.
So one foot in and one foot outfor me just speaks to just
because of how I got here.
I choose not to subscribe to mytrauma.
You know, I feel like layingwith a guy.
I molest myself every time.
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I do it because that knowledgeof Christ and how to lean and
depend on him and how to bedelivered.
You know the old time church Iwon't say a religion, but the
old time church taught us thatdeliverance was prayer and poof
is gone, you know.
So one foot in, one foot out,is you said right now.
(07:05):
How did I get here?
Now is the fight for my freedom.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
Okay, so time out.
So we're going to get there,because that's you know, and
he's going to be back, you know,frequently, because this is an
ongoing conversation.
Right, because when you talkabout the church and you talk
about the LGBTQ community,there's always this major
friction there.
Right, and everybody has theiropinions, you know, but no one
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really talks about.
People talk about it but theydon't really explore it.
I believe, the way that itshould be explored with the love
of Christ.
Right, because, at the end ofthe day, everyone, you know you
belong to him, so you're his kid.
You know you belong to him, soyou know you're his kid, so he
loves you.
Now, he may not agree with whatyou're doing, but he loves you.
Right, so we'll get into that.
(07:50):
But I want to get into thisfirst step going around.
Let's talk about the LGBTQcommunity, like, what is it?
Right and and how did it get asbig as it is?
That's number one.
And number two what is it doingto the culture?
Because it seems like it's,it's everywhere, and if it's not
(08:12):
accepted, then it's one ofthose things where you're
ostracized or you know you're,you're, you're considered
bashing or hating.
Right, if you're not in support?
If you're not in support, right.
And then now it's moving intothis thing where it's changing a
whole people group.
You know what I mean.
(08:32):
It's like building a whole,nothing different, another
different type of human being.
Yeah, give me your thoughts onthat.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
So you say what is it ?
That was your first question.
Yeah, the first question iswhat is it supposed to be?
What was it intended for?
It was a.
The acronym was to describe avariety of sexualities and
people that don't live.
(08:59):
Let's not call it the normal,but the standard, the way that
was created.
Man and woman, life, peoplethat live that life.
I feel like have started to puteverything in that box of I
can't understand, of not normal.
So trans, a trans woman, canstill like a woman.
(09:24):
That makes her a lesbian today.
So if a trans woman, a man whoturns into a woman, still dates
women, she's a lesbian.
That could fit in that category.
Lgbtq plus community right.
But if a trans man is dating awoman and they're straight, if
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they're dating the oppositegender that they identify as
they're straight, why are weputting that in something that
identifies alternate lifestyles?
Speaker 1 (10:02):
Okay, so wait.
So, because I've seen thisright, I've seen a woman dressed
as a male, correct, I meanstraight.
You know she low-cut, you knowbaggy, not on my trans.
I'm confused.
Okay so, is she trans?
Trying to be a boy, right?
No?
Speaker 2 (10:21):
No, okay, trans.
Okay, you're saying trying tobe, I'm gonna gonna be so when
we speak, I'm gonna be to theday the terms of today, okay,
cool.
So there you have studs yes, Iwas a stud.
I used to be a stud, okay sostuds is more on the lines of
acknowledging you're a woman yesaccepting that you're a woman
(10:41):
got it but you dress to yourcomfort or you dress masculine,
however you want to identify.
Trans is literally the processof transitioning.
So hormones, you know, top,bottom surgery, something of
that nature.
So what I'm saying is goingback to the question what is
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LGBTQ?
It's supposed to be an acronymthat represents alternate
lifestyles and that is supposedto be in sexuality.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
L, lesbian, B, bi, g, gay and T was trans, right?
If you let me go all the wayback to it, I don't feel like a
trans should be compared to thecommunity.
If that's what LGBTQ is for,queer is supposed to be a
straight man that dresses up,but that's not normal.
Do you get where I'm going withthat Right?
So, because of a community, itcannot understand it.
(11:32):
What they do is they put it inthis box and so now you have Q,
you got you got a L M N O P.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
You know, yeah, because I'm.
I was trying to understand how,you know, back in the day it
was either you're gay or you'renot You're gay or you're not.
Right, and so then now there's.
It seems like there's analphabet added every day.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
Yeah, and it's like people that don't live in this
community have added to that aswell.
Like this isn't all lesbians,gay, bi, trans, queer people
that agree to these new things.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
So who's doing the naming?
Speaker 2 (12:05):
Oh, now I see you too far, too far too deep, now too
far too deep.
Where I want to go to answeryour question is what is LGBTQIA
?
It's a scheme.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
Now, that's a whole other type of talk.
Wait a minute Before we getthere Now are we the scheme
Right?
Speaker 2 (12:22):
Well, we have allowed our blindness and lust and hurt
indulging in.
I'm hurt by women and I'm awoman, so I'm running to a woman
.
We've allowed this thing totake control over our community.
You know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
And now it's being used for something that Now,
when you say our community,you're speaking to LGBTQ.
Okay, I'm speaking in that term.
Yeah, right, so you're sayingthat the LGBTQ community has
allowed.
We have not protected ourselves.
(13:01):
You have not protectedyourselves.
Yeah, as it pertains to theenemy.
The enemy, who's the enemy?
Speaker 2 (13:07):
The devil Right.
He is using this community todistract.
That's what he has access toyour mind.
He is using this thing todistract the world right now.
Right so then I'm not callinggay people demonic.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
Now here's my question Calling us foolish
Right Now.
Here's my calling gay people.
Now here's my.
Here's my question Calling usfoolish Right Now.
Here's my question Is the LGBTQcommunity legitimate, but what
do you?
Speaker 2 (13:35):
mean, here's the deal .
Speaker 1 (13:36):
Here's the deal, ok, so we're Christians, right?
God made you in his image andhis likeness, right, he created
male and female image and hislikeness, right, he created male
and female, right, created the.
He them.
Genesis, chapter one, two.
So you know, we all wear makeupand we all, you know, enhance
ourselves.
Right, but there's a differencebetween enhancing and becoming
(13:57):
something else, correct, right?
So then, if the LGBTQ communityif it is to me, I think is is
is fraudulent in this regard.
There's a force that's wantingyou to be something different,
(14:18):
to go against what you naturallyare, are like everyone's
conforming to.
Oh, if this person callshimself a man and they're not,
then they're a man Technically.
They're not and they will neverbe because you cannot scrub
your DNA, correct, correct?
(14:38):
So then, is it fraudulent inthe regards of you're attempting
to?
It's like when?
It's like playing Halloweenevery day?
Speaker 2 (14:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
It's like everyday Halloween.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
I can't disagree with you as a person who does it.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
Right.
I can't disagree with youBecause you have to get up and
and go against your naturalreactions.
Natural functions, right Tobecome something else, right.
Right and that is the thescenario that you're asking?
Is it legitimate?
Speaker 2 (15:10):
is it legitimate?
Is the community legitimate?
Answer the question there.
I mean in that in that regard,no, it's not.
Now I know you, so I know thatyou take that when you say
community then you take it as awhole.
When I answer, I'm morespeaking on like physically
getting up changing who I was,from who I was intended to be to
(15:31):
who I feel that I am.
But if we're being blatant,yeah, even laying with the same
sex is not legitimate.
No, because okay, it's nothingbut a it's.
It's a, it's reacting on youknow lust and emotion and you
know what I mean and and and alot of times, trauma.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
That's the key word trauma.
I had some, you know.
So I started a whole.
I started this platform becauseI really um again, I was a part
of the LGBTQ community before.
It was LGBTQIA plus and all ofthat.
You know it was just straightor no, right.
You know what I mean Straightor gay, that's what it was,
Right.
And this was about 20, someyears ago, Okay and so.
(16:15):
But when I was a part of thecommunity, everything was based
on, you figure, the root causesof this is, you know, rejection,
trauma.
You know things that happenalong your journey in your story
, Right.
And so I started this platformbecause I really wanted to
bridge the gap, because there'sso much bashing, Right, and I
(16:38):
think the world has has confuseddisagreement with bashing.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
Right and I think that's a little bit of a fear,
conforming to sensitivity andyeah, you know.
It's sensory, really it is.
You know, I can't, I want tocensor you to how much you can
say, but then there's a bigPeople demand respect, and I
mean acceptance instead ofrespect.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
Right, and that's really what the problem is.
Right, and that's really whatthe problem is Right.
And that's why I don't have alot of those problems, right,
because you ain't got to like me, right, or what I do, right,
you know all you got to do isgive me I mean the ground level
of respect, right, you know whatI mean.
Right, if I make youuncomfortable and I come in the
room, you ain't in my room, butrespect is, excuse me if you
(17:24):
about to step over my foot topass me.
You understand what I mean, Ithink a lot of people even
outside of this if we juststopped trying to look for that
stamp of approval or normalcythrough acceptance and actually
create it within yourself.
Let's be real I'm not happywith the way that I live on that
(17:47):
foot.
That's out, you know.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
But at the same time, you know, I'm glad you said
that because, again, I startedthe platforms right on Instagram
, ig, tiktok, and, and, and andall kinds of places Right, and I
had so many people jump on.
I'm happy to where I am, I'm,I'm, I enjoy this.
I was born this way and I hadso many people jump on.
I'm happy the way I am, I enjoythis.
I was born this way and andthat's what I said, I'm like
(18:09):
because I remember when I was init you know, it's like you're
complicit, it's like this is,this is tormenting.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
It was funny is a lot of the conversations to be had,
you know, going forward, even alot of people, a lot of people
in my community won't like myresponse because it I, they
people think I'm teeter,tottering and, and you know,
straddling the fence, but inreality, um, to the point that I
was just making it.
It's like, uh, even with me notbeing happy on that one foot
(18:37):
out, I'm confident in who.
I am Right and I and I knowwhat's right from wrong.
You know, and if you take yourchurch hurt out, you take your
life hurt, your traumas out andyou look at the world in a
perspective of selfishness tomake a better you, you won't
have time to worry aboutpeople's opinion.
(18:59):
The only thing that will matteris law and Bible, you know, and
the literal and that's.
I can't procreate with a man.
You cannot.
It was not intended, it was not.
There is right from wrong.
There is People ostracize gayright from drunk right.
Drug right from gay right.
You know.
Killing right from gay right.
(19:21):
People do that, not God Right.
And if you see it that way, forwhat it is, you'll spend more
time working on yourself.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
Well see, I think the thing is people, they, you have
to see something, you have toyou have to see it as being
wrong, right, and I think inthis culture they've embraced it
so much that it's no, it's'snot about being wrong, it's it's
, it's acceptance, right.
And so you have people whowould normally be rejected, but
(19:50):
here's just this, this community, that's all inclusive, right,
that's like you know.
Hey, come over here.
That people group don't likeyou, come over here, and that's
offensive to me as the footthat's in.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
Don't like that, right, you know what I'm saying.
But the whole movement wasbuilt off of that.
I mean, yeah, yeah, you right,you right.
I guess I didn't have thatknowledge back then.
Yeah, but today, having it, Idon't like everything new.
Because what's the A for?
Is that an ally?
If that is what that's for,y'all need to stay where y'all
at and support from the back,like you're supposed to.
(20:21):
I don't know if that's what Ithink is asexual, actually, I'm
just thinking about it.
But it's just like stuff likethat, like I just don't think it
, just because you don't fit inthe world's sense of normalcy,
that you should just be intothis.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
So what you're saying is when things arise and the
world or the powers that bedon't understand what it is,
they lump them into the LGBTcommunity.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
Yeah, because I know there's a trans out here,
offended that they're labeled asLGBTQ and they identify as a
straight woman.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
Now you said a straight woman.
So you're saying you can betrans.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
There's a man that turned into a woman.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
Like RuPaul.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
Okay, that's a drag queen, but good idea, right?
So there's someone that liveslike that day in and day out and
they just want to be identifiedas a straight woman that
they've paid and worked tobecome, but they're
automatically identified as Okay, wait.
So you're saying a trans man Isa woman to man, so let's go.
(21:32):
I'm so confused, let's bringyou up to knowledge.
Okay, here we go.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
You are a woman.
I am all woman, baby, all woman.
First of all science.
Don't a cis woman.
That's science, first of allscience.
Don't call me nothing.
Science calls me what the Lordsays I am.
I am a woman, you understand.
So you get that You're a woman.
No, no, no, hold on, let's justgo there.
That's a dog.
(22:02):
You can't change molecular.
Well, the studies are going tochange it.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
That's why there's ongoing studies.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
Right, you cannot scrub my DNA.
Okay, here's the thing.
Let's just be clear.
If you burned up today, youknow especially the people who
got all the you know thechanging and the gingers and you
taking off stuff and putting iton and attacking things and
they'll crawling, okay, allright, so that was really funny.
But, uh, you do that.
Right.
Let's say you get into a fireGod forbid, but you get into a
(22:30):
fire and you burn, right, allyour Velcro parts or all
everything that you put on.
I'm sorry, it came out again.
I'm sorry, no offense, I'msorry, came out again.
So all of that burns, correct?
Do you not know that your teethwill identify you?
You understand?
Oh, okay, I get the point thatyou're making.
(22:51):
You got it, and your teeth willsay what you were born as, you
understand, not what youtransitioned to.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
Yeah, what if I have veneers?
I'm kidding, okay, so let metake you back to the knowledge.
Let me give you back Boom, haveveneers?
I'm kidding, okay, so let metake you back to the knowledge.
Let me give you back basicknowledge.
I got you.
You know, it's so funny Women.
Let me get back to basicknowledge.
Okay, trans, okay, if you are atrans woman, you are a woman
who transitioned into that.
That's why we transition meanschanging.
(23:24):
Yeah, okay, you are just womanand then the man to woman is
called.
They're identified as transwoman because they transition to
that.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
Got it.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
Man is a man of trans descent, so they transitioned
into that man.
Ok, wait time out.
Same thing, flip roles Transman is a woman, is a woman who
transitioned to that man Okay,wait Time out.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
Same thing flip-flops .
Trans man is a woman whotransitioned into a man.
Yeah, got it, okay, because Iwouldn't be just a man Right,
I'm just a man Right.
So you trans man transitional.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
Trans woman.
So that's how we identify that.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
Okay, so trans woman is a man who went to a woman.
Trans man is a woman who wentto a man.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
One to one is two.
Say it again no.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
So trans woman is a woman, a man, a man who went to
a woman, and a trans man is awoman who went to a man.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
Whatever you ended with, remember it started the
opposite.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
Yeah, that's what I just said, yeah.
Speaker 3 (24:24):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
So now that's the trans.
What is the okay?
You got the lesbians.
Okay, bi, I'm sorry, bi, whatyou mean, lb, bi.
What's the difference?
What's the difference betweenbi and lesbians?
Speaker 2 (24:43):
Bi likes both sexes Mm, mm, lesbians.
Bi likes both sexes Lesbians,like both sexes too.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
Some would say you know because, some would say
that if you, okay, let's take aman.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
Right.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
If you sleep with a man once, you're gay.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
A woman can have a kid and still be a full-blown
lesbian.
I don't get it.
I don't get it.
I don't get that.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
Because to me that's no bisexual, that doesn't count.
No, here's the thing If you area male, right, let's just talk
about it.
If you are male and you've beenpenetrated by another male,
correct, and you sleep with awoman, you just decided to sleep
with a woman, but thefoundation of it, you're gay.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
No, but you know what .
You know.
I'm such a real man, I don'tget offended by that.
This is how I am.
I plan on being so articulatewith my words.
Yes, when I have a platform tohelp people find themselves in
the hopes that it's in Christ,right that you're never going to
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hear me say I was gay and nowI'm straight.
I am gay, I was gay and I nowlean and depend on God.
I was gay and I don't.
I could say that right now Idon't sleep with men.
I'm not.
There is nothing unless God,unless a relationship came to me
(26:09):
with a man long term, I am not,ain't a man I'm not preparing
to sleep with, to penetrate me,nor am I penetrating.
That's a place that I am in mylife Right, right, right.
So when I'm there, to where I'mnot entertaining men at all, my
verbiage will never be I'mstraight.
I'm such a See the thing is,pastor Sho, I'm such a real man
(26:35):
I'm not offended by those typeof terms.
And what type of terms.
You don't even remember what.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
Because I said if you sleep with a man, you're gay.
Is that wrong the terminology?
You don't even remember what?
Because I said if you sleepwith a man, you're gay?
Speaker 2 (26:46):
Is that wrong the terminology?
It doesn't matter to me.
I can't really answer thatbecause it's about what I live
In every aspect.
It's about how I live From theenemy's aspect.
He don't care how I present toy'all.
I can tell y'all I'm straightall day.
I could put on a what's itcalled?
(27:08):
You put on the face of whatthey call, say godliness and
deny the power.
What does it say?
What's the term?
Come on, you know, y'all know.
You know I could do that.
I could act.
Look straight all day.
Make y'all believe.
You know what the DL do is goget a big woman, nice, hefty
woman, and have kids with him.
Make y'all think I'm living therighteous life and all of that.
(27:30):
It don't matter.
The enemy will.
Let me minister to y'all likethat.
He cares about how I live inprivate, what I'm watching on
that phone screen at night, whatI'm doing behind closed doors,
okay, so when I say theterminology don't matter to me,
it don't matter to me because myI don't care that y'all think
I'm gay because I wear a wig.
I care about what I'm doing onthe inside and what I'm working
(27:53):
on on the back end.
So if you go sleep better atnight by saying I'm gay because
I've been penetrated or havepenetrated a guy, then that's
cool.
I can, I can go with that.
I can subscribe to that rightalong with you.
The truth of the matter is,when I say I don't deal with men
, no more to me, that that makesme straight.
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I'm not sleeping with men nomore.
That makes me straight.
If we being real honest.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
So that makes you straight, now, straight Now.
This is teetering into theescape room.
So you know again.
If you want to know theconfounds and you want to be in
the know, the escape room iswhere it's going to go down.
You got a little thumbnail forthe escape room.
But just a caveat, just a caveat, just a teaser here, and you'll
find that on Patreon.
But yes, you must subscribe tosee that, because we're really
(28:41):
going to be talking aboutpeople's personal stories and
really getting down into thenitty gritty of the hows and
whys.
Right, but just just a snippetpiece in that.
So you know you say OK, I'mstraight because I don't sleep
with the man that makes youstraight.
Now the question is does thatresolve the issues that's in
your soul?
Speaker 2 (29:02):
No.
So here's the thing what isdeliverance?
Deliverance is understanding mystruggle.
Let's go back.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
Pause because you're fitting to get into the escape
room.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
Okay, I'm trying to answer my question.
Let me try to stay baseline.
What I'm saying is what you'resaying.
Number one the original pointthat I was making it I am going
to try my best in this spiritualwalk and in my, in my life, of
of my purpose, my ministry, todo something that that the
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church failed to do for yearsand people in leadership failed
to do all the time, and that isarticulate and use my words
wisely.
So I'm not going to addressmyself as straight because the
world don't see it as straightbecause of my past, you know,
and so what I'm going to do islet people know.
Yeah, I was gay.
That's what I'm gonna do.
Remember, I told you I wasgonna do that.
(30:00):
Yeah, I was gay, but I don'tsleep with men.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
Okay, so then now the question is.
The question is first of all,let's put your taco meat up,
because you I mean you over herelooking like a a rick or a
squave.
So.
So then the question now is youknow, am I gay according to my
(30:28):
outward appearance?
That's right.
Or am I gay Because you can sayall day I don't sleep with men?
But being attracted to men initself it's a gay act.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
It is.
It is a gay, it is a gaytendency.
Okay, gay is a verb, it is anaction.
Okay, it is a gay, it is a gaytendency.
Okay, gay is a verb, it is anaction.
Okay, it is two people Y'alllittle dummies on the football
field and he missed a touch,quarterback touchdown or
whatever.
Speaker 3 (30:55):
Oh, that's gay.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
That's not gay.
Gay is two people of the samesex having sexual encounters.
That's what that is.
Now is living a life, a gaylifestyle, a gay act, meaning
one thing, one time thing.
No, that is gay.
That is what it is.
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But my past.
They don't have nothing to dowith my future.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
Right, so here's the deal.
So, if you are, I'm arecovering gay.
Okay, so here's the deal.
So, if you are okay, so ifyou're saying, okay, I am no
longer in the lifestyle, right,like for myself, right, I did, I
did almost 20 years in it,right, I don't know 10, 15 years
, it's been so long ago, I don'tknow.
(31:41):
But so you're straight throughdeliverance, got through it, you
know, dealt with the trauma,dealt with everything, all of
the underlying issues, right,and then.
So now you know, I believe thatsleeping with a female is
terribly wrong.
I don't, I don't think thatit's God's best.
(32:01):
Right, I am no longer attractedto women.
Now, there were days where Ifeel I thought I would never, so
pause.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
Yeah, that's where I was going.
That you said was an escaperoom.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
Right now.
Now, oh, I'm dancing With theattraction, yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
I'm tap dancing.
I feel like I'm going to leanand depend on God Right To
control, and if control meanstake those desire or attractions
away, then by all means.
But in my opinion, you know, Ihave had substance problems in
my life.
I've had so many things thatI've conquered and I've been
(32:36):
delivered from and.
I haven't went back to.
I feel like this is that thingthat's going to keep me leaning
in the way of God.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
Now have you been delivered from it.
Do you know what deliverance is?
Who me?
Speaker 2 (32:49):
I know what deliverance is.
Okay, yeah, and so that's why,in my mind, when I think about
my future, I feel like you know,I feel like this escape room
talks almost.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
Right, so we'll talk about that in the escape room,
right?
But I want to get back to thedefinitions, right?
Because I feel like I amthoroughly confused.
You are the alphabets and allof the categories.
You know, I feel like I'mplaying categories.
(33:30):
Can we look it up, huh?
Speaker 2 (33:32):
Can we look it up?
We can look it up I could breakit down to you, if I see,
because the Q and the I and theA and the M-N-O-P, that's where
you kind of lose.
M-e.
Now my trans on down, down, Igot your back.
Love all ye thee.
Speaker 1 (33:51):
And in between, okay, so now, while you're looking
that up, you know, and we cantalk about that, but I would
like to spend a whole episode onpronouns okay, I don't need
that for this.
Okay, because, again, I am aChristian.
Speaker 2 (34:10):
So you mean he me, she, them, they, rah, cat rah,
and all that.
I mean yes, basically.
So we're going to underlinesome of that as demonic and then
we're going to get to the he me, she them, they.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
But here's the deal, though, here's the deal, though
here's the deal.
You know, and a lot of peoplewas like you know, it's not
demonic.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
You can tell when I'm joking.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
It's not demonic and it's not, you know, but if
you're not from that, uh,culture, not even culture.
Um, if you are, again, I'm aChristian, right, there are
powers that be, right, there'sgood and there's God, and then,
of course, there's anotherentity, right, this is my
(34:50):
podcast, right, and I believethat, and so for me, he, we, she
, them, they.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
It's too hard in a sentence.
Speaker 1 (34:59):
That's number one and number two.
When you say I identify as weand them, first of all, who the
heck is them?
Speaker 2 (35:08):
That's number one and you always identify that until
we and them punch you and nowyou a girl again.
You understand, and that's justwhat I don't get.
Sorry, put that on the screen.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
Wait a minute.
Okay, you know.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
Okay, it's just like I don't know.
Okay, so let's go back to whatthe pronouns are and why they
are.
That it is a form of acceptance.
You're right.
Are we talking in circles?
Speaker 1 (35:36):
No, you're right, Okay, but I don't understand the
acceptance part of saying thatI am multiple people.
I don't get it.
They're not saying they'remultiple people.
Let's look at okay now.
I was never great at English.
I was never great at English,okay, and math was not my
subject.
Now you give me a good coloringbook, I'm going to be your.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
Okay, but they're not saying they're multiple people.
They're saying they don'tsubscribe to one gender identity
.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
That's multiple, that's one too.
Gender identity that's multiple, that's one too.
I don't understand.
I'm not bashing, okay, that'sthe last time I say it on my
platform.
I ain't saying it, no more.
Okay, this is the lovingplatform and I just, I am
passionately trying tounderstand.
Okay, when you say, if Iintroduce myself and I say hello
(36:26):
, I am them, we are them, them,whiteners, okay, what I learned
in English as a tyke, okay,little thing, right there, right
, a tyke, okay, little thing,right, right, we've learned that
(36:52):
them or we or they are multiplepeople, meaning more than one
Correct, correct, right.
So if I, if, if, if I'm talkingto you and I come up to you and
say hello, my name is so-and-soand I identify as they, right,
somebody can say that, correct,okay?
So then for me, what you'retelling me, I'm going to
(37:12):
automatically especially youknow being who I am and what I
do I'm going to automatically belike I'm sorry, I am talking to
more than one.
And do we need a back room togo work?
I'm so serious because I'mconfused.
Speaker 2 (37:28):
It reminds me you know, so are you confused on why
.
Speaker 1 (37:34):
No, I'm reminded of the movie though Split.
Ok, do you remember that movie?
Yes, and why are you remindedof that?
Speaker 2 (37:42):
OK, ok, so if you say you must be on the backstory
side.
Speaker 1 (37:46):
No, no, no.
If you say, if you say, okay, Iidentify as them, right, it's
stop laughing.
In the movie Split, okay, hehad four different, five
different people.
He had the little boy, he hadthe lady Right, he had the neat
freak Right, then he had theartist right and then the beast,
correct, okay.
(38:06):
So he would say, you know we.
They would always say we, oh,okay, that's number one.
They would always say we.
And then the little boy waslike well, they won't, so-and-so
, won't, let me come to thelight.
Right, and that meant the otherpersonality.
Speaker 2 (38:24):
So that's where it's very different.
Speaker 1 (38:26):
Talk to me.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
Explain their, them, their them, is almost in a
gender.
It is in a like a gender fluidlike way of terminology.
Okay, they are saying, not thatthis is not like a trans.
(38:48):
A trans feels like a man thatturns into a woman.
A trans woman feels like I am awoman.
I put in the work, I'm on thehormones, I have breasts, I am
now a woman.
So the people let's, let's tryto really give an example that
look like me.
You know when I'm like this,but I may have hair, and I say
(39:11):
oh, you know and I'm saying thisbecause I don't subscribe to
Now, if you ask me, how do youidentify?
Oh, man, he.
Speaker 1 (39:19):
I'm not offended by either or.
Speaker 2 (39:21):
Now, when a dude come up to me and be like, yeah girl
, now I'm going to show you I'ma man, but no Other than that.
Speaker 1 (39:28):
So why is that?
Because I've seen women and men, okay, who identify as other
things because I don't know, youknow, but they will get
offended and I mean low-keyfight.
Speaker 2 (39:46):
So look, guy, the people that are done that like
physically, look like me as faras versatility, maybe with style
or whatever right they're them.
The term them, they for them,is not feeling like I'm a man
and a woman all the time.
Sometimes it's just like I don,I don't fit in either, or and
(40:07):
it's so sad because to me that'san insecurity.
It's sad to me because that'san insecurity, because you feel
like you don't fit into onecategory because of what the
world is, world deems masculine.
You don't feel like you.
You fit in somewhere because ofwhat the world deems feminine,
and so you have subscribed towhat the box that the world
(40:29):
created for you.
Speaker 1 (40:31):
Now, when you, I'm having a hard time following,
okay.
So when you say world, you'rebasically saying, okay, here I
am this person, right, and Ihave these bins and I, let's say
, I feel like I'm weird, likesomebody has called me weird all
my life, right, and because,let's say, I don't like sports
but I like tech stuff, right.
(40:54):
So then that will be considered.
But since I don't fit into thebox, yeah.
Speaker 2 (40:58):
So now the world has this term called tech geek, and
so now I'm subscribing to I'm atech.
I'm a tech geek because theworld doesn't see me as normal,
because I don't like sports.
So, to transfer that logic tothis, these people that I
identify as they and them, somepeople feel like there's no box
to check for them, because theworld says because I'm pretty,
(41:23):
oh, from back there I thoughtyou were a girl, and so it
triggers all these, and so Isaid it's sad for me because
it's like another insecurity,it's a lack of confidence.
Speaker 1 (41:35):
It's a lack of assurance in who you are as a
person.
But is it that?
Or is it schemes?
Speaker 2 (41:39):
Because let's say, you're talking about an escape
room truth.
You're right, it's an escaperoom truth.
You talking about an escaperoom truth?
You right, it's an escape roomtruth.
The borderline that's sittingat the tip of the majority's
brain is where do I fit in?
Where do I fit?
It's an identity thing.
It's an identity crisis.
Yes, it is, and sometimes it'swithin their self after the
(41:59):
world, put it in them.
You know, when I say world, I'mbeing broad spectrum, I'm being
very general.
Okay, world, put it in them.
You know, when I say world, I'mbeing broad spectrum, I'm being
very general, because I'm not.
I'm so unbothered and out oftune with where that, that group
of people, that project, oh,you're not a man or a woman.
You're a them.
I don't know who that is, wherethat came from, how it was
(42:20):
brought about.
I don't know if our communitydid that.
If you know so, when I say theworld, that's what I'm, that's
why I say that, but that'sultimately what it is.
You know what I mean.
I have someone really close tome that I care about that.
I that has never corrected mewhen I addressed them as him,
because that's what he is, hebut I addressed him as him and I
(42:43):
didn't know that their pronounswere they them.
He's never corrected me becausehe knows my heart, he knows our
relationship and we're coollike that.
But when he explained to mewhen I first found out not long
ago, he explained just what Ibroke down to you that he just
(43:03):
sometimes doesn't know what boxhe fits in.
Speaker 1 (43:05):
Is that because he feels rejected?
Speaker 2 (43:08):
Because at the end of the day, I think that's who it
is.
Yeah, I think if we want tospeak on majority, it is between
rejection and establishedinsecurities like insecurities
that were put on you Like.
I never felt a problem with mebeing a boy wearing hair until
everybody made it a problemaround me, and so now I'm
questioning my manhood, who I amwhat I'm supposed to be.
Speaker 1 (43:31):
So you're saying I can still be a man and wear.
Okay, because men, okay, thereare men who wear lace fronts.
Two flays Now.
Where are the two flays now?
Now, stop now.
Because there are men who andy'all are over there hitting and
everything when the two slaves?
Now?
Because there are men who, theyain't nothing but some fatalism
.
Let's just be clear.
Speaker 2 (43:48):
Okay, but we call it what it is.
Let's talk like the world uphere when we not in the escape
room.
So yeah, there are some men whocan wear inches and still be
straight.
I'm that man.
Speaker 1 (44:06):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (44:06):
So if you that man, Okay so if you say he gonna take
it, and I'm gonna let him takeit.
Speaker 1 (44:11):
Here's the deal.
Here lies in my problem.
Speaker 2 (44:16):
Okay, who said that the hair was for a woman.
Show me, get the Bible, james,james, catholic Methodist, all
of it.
Pull it out and show me whereheels was for a woman, because
Prince had hecka, hecka.
Speaker 1 (44:39):
Now here's the deal.
Now, if you're going to go, youknow, doing fashion and
everything, back in theElizabethan period men wore
heels, men had hair, but in thesense of, that's one thing to be
a man and to have long hair andto wear heels with boots on it.
I mean, kurt Franklin does it.
I mean, let's be honest, sorry,I'm trying to keep it straight
(45:02):
he doesn't wear hair, but hewears heels because he's short.
I saw him in person once.
He's short, he's super short,so he wears.
If you look at when he's onstage gyrating, he's wearing
heels.
Okay, now, not in the sense ofa stiletto, like a woman I could
wear.
Speaker 2 (45:20):
I will walk down in a stiletto Look at the video
right here.
Speaker 1 (45:23):
Okay, we're not putting a video, no, okay.
Speaker 2 (45:26):
So what I'm saying is this I find it problematic when
I like I already know whereyou're going and I like your
choice of word Right.
Speaker 1 (45:35):
It's problematic for me, okay, right, when, if a man
is wearing his hair long, that'sfine, and he still has the
masculine persona, right, themasculine movement, and he's
masculine, I'm gonna hold you tothat and here's the deal.
Here's the deal as a, as awoman and as a black woman, I'm
(45:55):
beautiful because I but it.
It bothers me to see a man.
Right, you got on heels and I'mtalking about stilettos.
Okay, I'm on me.
Okay, yeah, I'm talking aboutyou.
(46:15):
Stilettos, right, I mean you.
I mean more Mac than me, lasheslonger than mines.
Okay, I mean a little, a littledip in your hip, just a little
stronger than what it needs tobe, because you trying to open
up and say that's the problem Ifyou just got a bigger lash
Because I have nothing butmascara on, and mine are longer
than yours.
(46:36):
We're just, I'm just saying butI have an issue, right, because
my thing is, you're not made todo what I do, right, as well as
I'm not made to do what a mandoes.
Speaker 2 (46:50):
You and you, and you made this thing that you're
saying I'm not made to wear ordo for you.
Now let's speak.
Speaker 3 (47:01):
What I'm saying is.
Speaker 2 (47:02):
I'm not made to reproduce, carry a child.
I mean you're not.
The heel wasn't made for yourfoot.
Speaker 1 (47:11):
Okay, that's fine, I never remember.
Let's go back, okay.
I said no, I said I don't havea problem with me because let me
pull on my fashion bag just alittle bit.
Back in the Elizabethan period,men wore heels too.
Okay, okay, okay.
So all had chunky heels.
What I'm stating is is whenwhat you're wearing, right, it
resembles, it models, it mimic,it mocks me.
(47:34):
You know why I agree with younow.
Speaker 2 (47:36):
Um, as of today, one foot in, one foot out is the
term we're going to use for TyRashad.
One foot in, one foot out isthe term we're going to use for
Ty Rashad.
One for them, one for them.
I don't wear nails because Iliterally can wear 30 inches of
hair straight and people willthink it's my hair because I can
lay a lace like that right.
But when I wear the nails it'sso unnatural that everything
(48:00):
else looks fake, and now I'mresembling what women do to be
feminine and so it's no longermasculine.
But I can wear hair.
So I agree with you because Ican't wear stilettos and look
like a masculine male.
I can't even walk mask.
And I was at the strip, at thegay strip, about a month and a
half ago and this boy I wasdressed like this and his boy
(48:22):
was like you was here like threemonths ago with heels on.
You be faking, trying to getwhat you want.
I was like boy.
First of all, ain't nothing outhere.
I want number one, but numbertwo you go put on a pair of five
inch stilettos and try to walklike you got some Air Forces on
and see how that work.
So my point is I agree with youbecause there are certain
things that, even though I couldsay, I could argue with you
(48:45):
that the heel lane made for thewoman, I can't be masculine in a
stiletto but I can wear aplatform.
I can wear my Doc Martinplatforms, I can wear my moon
boots I can wear there are somewedges I could put on and really
look like a decent man and it'sa thing I get what you're
saying when it's a point ofself-expression, fashion forward
(49:08):
, you know, freedom of speech,your own dang personal choices
and then resembling Versus youtrying to embody, attempting to
embody yeah.
Speaker 1 (49:19):
Right, all right, man , we're going to have to
continue this conversation.
We're going to have to continuethis conversation yeah.
I'm seeing how this is going togo.
Yeah, we're going to have tocontinue.
No thanks for stopping by andlistening.
We got some heavy topics comingdown the pipeline.
So you think you're gay.
I'm your host, sho Whitener.
I love y'all.
Stay tuned, there's so muchmore to come.
All right, y'all, we'll see.
(49:40):
You See ya.
So you think you're?
Speaker 3 (49:58):
gay Peace out.
No-transcript.
Why is it so many alphabets?
It's like it changes every day.
We're going to talk about whythere's so many alphabets.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
We're going to talk about how the world takes
everything that can't benormalized to them and puts it
in a box that they can thenunderstand.
That's what we're going to talkabout, but we're not going to
talk about that right now.
We're going to start the cutand action tape.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
Man.
Lower your vocal cords.
You're loud, You're going.
What does God say about this?
How did you get here?
Who gave this to you?
Don't you even know how this?
Speaker 3 (00:27):
came to be.
Can you live like this?
For real, for real, what does?
Speaker 1 (00:33):
God say about this?
So you think you're gay?
What's up everybody.
I'm your host, shal White, andyou are tuning in to the podcast
.
So you think you're gay?
This platform is strictly forexploring the lgbtq community
(00:55):
and people who reside within it.
I myself used to be a part ofthe community.
I am a christian and I dobelieve that you can come away
from it.
I do believe that it's notgod's best a Christian, and I do
believe that you can come awayfrom it.
I do believe that it's notGod's best for you and I do
believe you can be delivered.
Now, here's the deal.
I'm not bashing.
This platform is a lovingplatform.
I want to know people's stories.
I want to hear how you got towhere you are, why you are the
(01:19):
way you are, and do you plan onstanding that way.
So this podcast you'redefinitely going to hear a lot
of truths.
You're going to hear a lot ofdisagreements, and that's fine,
you know.
It doesn't mean that I don'tlove you or we don't love each
other.
We just disagree.
If you choose to live thelifestyle, that's great.
I want to know why, how, whomade you?
Why Do you plan on standingthat way?
Whatever the case may be.
(01:40):
We're going to talk about itall right here on this platform.
So thanks for tuning in.
I have somebody that's in thestudio today.
Are you an active part of theLGBT community or are you like,
foot in foot out I'm foot in,foot out, he's foot in foot out.
Are you a Christian?
I'm a Christian, he's aChristian and he believes in.
Now I'm two foot in theChristian, okay, and so we're
(02:06):
going to be going back and forth.
Right, he has a story, I have astory, and this is Ty Rashad,
ty Rashad, right and, and, andhe Can y'all input the applause
right there.
Right, so you dress is.
I don't want to call it dragbecause I don't want to be
offensive, right, so it's calledwhat?
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Well, there's a few different terms for that.
Today, the term that I grew upwith is androgyny.
Androgyny, so the androgynousis, like you know, it can be a
male or female.
That kind of has that balanceof both identities, right, you
know?
And they balance them very well.
So that's kind of what I do.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
Right, you know, and they balance them very well.
So that's kind of what I doRight.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
So you do it to where the makeup is.
I mean, my God, all right Now,thank you.
So, yeah, the makeup me being amakeup artist definitely you
know it changes the features ofthe face and stuff like that.
When I say androgyny, I'mdefinitely speaking of more
overall.
I'm definitely speaking of moreoverall and I know that
typically androgyny will be thebalance as that unit, like you
know, in that opinion, boththose appearances of me, more
(03:13):
feminine and more masculine youshould still see those feminine
traits when I'm dressed likethis.
You should see the masculinetraits when I'm dressed in the
pictures that you'll show me.
All right, but yeah, also alsothe flip, though the versatility
is considered androgyny.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
Okay, so this episode is twofold.
Okay, so I do have a Patreonthat is called the escape room,
right, and so the escape roomthis will be not surface level
conversation about the LGBTQlifestyle, right, but in the
escape room we're going to getjust a little bit underneath um
(03:49):
the surface and dig a littledeeper into how we got the way
we were.
Okay, well, I say were.
I don't know where you are inthat, but you'll say where.
Okay, what I am strictly, honey, understand that there'll be no
pause breaks.
Okay, there is one way.
Okay, jesus is the way, thetruth and the life.
I feel there is one way andthat is man with a woman.
(04:10):
All right, okay, anyway.
So in the escape room we'regoing to talk you know how the
stories evolved and how we endedup in the lifestyle and then I
want to talk about exits.
You know what I mean, becausehere's the thing, not everybody
(04:32):
wants to exit the lifestyle.
So we're going to give you a bitof perspective here.
We're going to give you someChristian perspective and we're
going to give you some lifeperspectives and some hows and
things like that.
Life perspectives, and you knowsome house and you know things
like that.
So thanks for coming on theshow, man.
My microphone is really justlike sliding down.
(04:54):
It's doing the dip, you know,and I don't like it.
But thanks for tuning in y'alland we're going to get right
into it.
So, ty Rashad, so you're onefoot in, one foot out.
How did you get here?
Let's start there.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
So how I got here is through trauma.
I got here through molestation,abandonment and.
I think those are like two ofthe main issues that had me so
(05:32):
consumed that I got wrapped upinto whatever I submitted to
Right.
And so when I say one foot inand one foot out, you don't wear
a mustache and a wig and hidewho you are.
So I say one foot in and onefoot out because I do believe in
(05:52):
God.
I know that.
You know he sent his son to dieon the cross for our sins.
That's the you know, savingknowledge of Christ, right, and
I believe that in my heart.
But I'm real about my strugglesand I'm living in them, the way
that I'm suffering in them.
I don't, I don't mask it andand no shade.
(06:13):
No shade to the drinker anddrink at home.
I don't, I can't.
Mine is worn on my sleeve, youcan see it.
So one foot in and one foot outfor me just speaks to just
because of how I got here.
I choose not to subscribe to mytrauma.
You know, I feel like layingwith a guy.
I molest myself every time.
(06:42):
I do it because that knowledgeof Christ and how to lean and
depend on him and how to bedelivered.
You know the old time church Iwon't say a religion, but the
old time church taught us thatdeliverance was prayer and poof
is gone, you know.
So one foot in, one foot out,is you said right now.
(07:05):
How did I get here?
Now is the fight for my freedom.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
Okay, so time out.
So we're going to get there,because that's you know, and
he's going to be back, you know,frequently, because this is an
ongoing conversation.
Right, because when you talkabout the church and you talk
about the LGBTQ community,there's always this major
friction there.
Right, and everybody has theiropinions, you know, but no one
(07:29):
really talks about.
People talk about it but theydon't really explore it.
I believe, the way that itshould be explored with the love
of Christ.
Right, because, at the end ofthe day, everyone, you know you
belong to him, so you're his kid.
You know you belong to him, soyou know you're his kid, so he
loves you.
Now, he may not agree with whatyou're doing, but he loves you.
Right, so we'll get into that.
(07:50):
But I want to get into thisfirst step going around.
Let's talk about the LGBTQcommunity, like, what is it?
Right and and how did it get asbig as it is?
That's number one.
And number two what is it doingto the culture?
Because it seems like it's,it's everywhere, and if it's not
(08:12):
accepted, then it's one ofthose things where you're
ostracized or you know you're,you're, you're considered
bashing or hating.
Right, if you're not in support?
If you're not in support, right.
And then now it's moving intothis thing where it's changing a
whole people group.
You know what I mean.
(08:32):
It's like building a whole,nothing different, another
different type of human being.
Yeah, give me your thoughts onthat.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
So you say what is it ?
That was your first question.
Yeah, the first question iswhat is it supposed to be?
What was it intended for?
It was a.
The acronym was to describe avariety of sexualities and
people that don't live.
(08:59):
Let's not call it the normal,but the standard, the way that
was created.
Man and woman, life, peoplethat live that life.
I feel like have started to puteverything in that box of I
can't understand, of not normal.
So trans, a trans woman, canstill like a woman.
(09:24):
That makes her a lesbian today.
So if a trans woman, a man whoturns into a woman, still dates
women, she's a lesbian.
That could fit in that category.
Lgbtq plus community right.
But if a trans man is dating awoman and they're straight, if
(09:52):
they're dating the oppositegender that they identify as
they're straight, why are weputting that in something that
identifies alternate lifestyles?
Speaker 1 (10:02):
Okay, so wait.
So, because I've seen thisright, I've seen a woman dressed
as a male, correct, I meanstraight.
You know she low-cut, you knowbaggy, not on my trans.
I'm confused.
Okay so, is she trans?
Trying to be a boy, right?
No?
Speaker 2 (10:21):
No, okay, trans.
Okay, you're saying trying tobe, I'm gonna gonna be so when
we speak, I'm gonna be to theday the terms of today, okay,
cool.
So there you have studs yes, Iwas a stud.
I used to be a stud, okay sostuds is more on the lines of
acknowledging you're a woman yesaccepting that you're a woman
(10:41):
got it but you dress to yourcomfort or you dress masculine,
however you want to identify.
Trans is literally the processof transitioning.
So hormones, you know, top,bottom surgery, something of
that nature.
So what I'm saying is goingback to the question what is
(11:02):
LGBTQ?
It's supposed to be an acronymthat represents alternate
lifestyles and that is supposedto be in sexuality.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
L, lesbian, B, bi, g, gay and T was trans, right?
If you let me go all the wayback to it, I don't feel like a
trans should be compared to thecommunity.
If that's what LGBTQ is for,queer is supposed to be a
straight man that dresses up,but that's not normal.
Do you get where I'm going withthat Right?
So, because of a community, itcannot understand it.
(11:32):
What they do is they put it inthis box and so now you have Q,
you got you got a L M N O P.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
You know, yeah, because I'm.
I was trying to understand how,you know, back in the day it
was either you're gay or you'renot You're gay or you're not.
Right, and so then now there's.
It seems like there's analphabet added every day.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
Yeah, and it's like people that don't live in this
community have added to that aswell.
Like this isn't all lesbians,gay, bi, trans, queer people
that agree to these new things.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
So who's doing the naming?
Speaker 2 (12:05):
Oh, now I see you too far, too far too deep, now too
far too deep.
Where I want to go to answeryour question is what is LGBTQIA
?
It's a scheme.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
Now, that's a whole other type of talk.
Wait a minute Before we getthere Now are we the scheme
Right?
Speaker 2 (12:22):
Well, we have allowed our blindness and lust and hurt
indulging in.
I'm hurt by women and I'm awoman, so I'm running to a woman
.
We've allowed this thing totake control over our community.
You know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
And now it's being used for something that Now,
when you say our community,you're speaking to LGBTQ.
Okay, I'm speaking in that term.
Yeah, right, so you're sayingthat the LGBTQ community has
allowed.
We have not protected ourselves.
(13:01):
You have not protectedyourselves.
Yeah, as it pertains to theenemy.
The enemy, who's the enemy?
Speaker 2 (13:07):
The devil Right.
He is using this community todistract.
That's what he has access toyour mind.
He is using this thing todistract the world right now.
Right so then I'm not callinggay people demonic.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
Now here's my question Calling us foolish
Right Now.
Here's my calling gay people.
Now here's my.
Here's my question Calling usfoolish Right Now.
Here's my question Is the LGBTQcommunity legitimate, but what
do you?
Speaker 2 (13:35):
mean, here's the deal .
Speaker 1 (13:36):
Here's the deal, ok, so we're Christians, right?
God made you in his image andhis likeness, right, he created
male and female image and hislikeness, right, he created male
and female, right, created the.
He them.
Genesis, chapter one, two.
So you know, we all wear makeupand we all, you know, enhance
ourselves.
Right, but there's a differencebetween enhancing and becoming
(13:57):
something else, correct, right?
So then, if the LGBTQ communityif it is to me, I think is is
is fraudulent in this regard.
There's a force that's wantingyou to be something different,
(14:18):
to go against what you naturallyare, are like everyone's
conforming to.
Oh, if this person callshimself a man and they're not,
then they're a man Technically.
They're not and they will neverbe because you cannot scrub
your DNA, correct, correct?
(14:38):
So then, is it fraudulent inthe regards of you're attempting
to?
It's like when?
It's like playing Halloweenevery day?
Speaker 2 (14:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
It's like everyday Halloween.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
I can't disagree with you as a person who does it.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
Right.
I can't disagree with youBecause you have to get up and
and go against your naturalreactions.
Natural functions, right Tobecome something else, right.
Right and that is the thescenario that you're asking?
Is it legitimate?
Speaker 2 (15:10):
is it legitimate?
Is the community legitimate?
Answer the question there.
I mean in that in that regard,no, it's not.
Now I know you, so I know thatyou take that when you say
community then you take it as awhole.
When I answer, I'm morespeaking on like physically
getting up changing who I was,from who I was intended to be to
(15:31):
who I feel that I am.
But if we're being blatant,yeah, even laying with the same
sex is not legitimate.
No, because okay, it's nothingbut a it's.
It's a, it's reacting on youknow lust and emotion and you
know what I mean and and and alot of times, trauma.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
That's the key word trauma.
I had some, you know.
So I started a whole.
I started this platform becauseI really um again, I was a part
of the LGBTQ community before.
It was LGBTQIA plus and all ofthat.
You know it was just straightor no, right.
You know what I mean Straightor gay, that's what it was,
Right.
And this was about 20, someyears ago, Okay and so.
(16:15):
But when I was a part of thecommunity, everything was based
on, you figure, the root causesof this is, you know, rejection,
trauma.
You know things that happenalong your journey in your story
, Right.
And so I started this platformbecause I really wanted to
bridge the gap, because there'sso much bashing, Right, and I
(16:38):
think the world has has confuseddisagreement with bashing.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
Right and I think that's a little bit of a fear,
conforming to sensitivity andyeah, you know.
It's sensory, really it is.
You know, I can't, I want tocensor you to how much you can
say, but then there's a bigPeople demand respect, and I
mean acceptance instead ofrespect.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
Right, and that's really what the problem is.
Right, and that's really whatthe problem is Right.
And that's why I don't have alot of those problems, right,
because you ain't got to like me, right, or what I do, right,
you know all you got to do isgive me I mean the ground level
of respect, right, you know whatI mean.
Right, if I make youuncomfortable and I come in the
room, you ain't in my room, butrespect is, excuse me if you
(17:24):
about to step over my foot topass me.
You understand what I mean, Ithink a lot of people even
outside of this if we juststopped trying to look for that
stamp of approval or normalcythrough acceptance and actually
create it within yourself.
Let's be real I'm not happywith the way that I live on that
(17:47):
foot.
That's out, you know.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
But at the same time, you know, I'm glad you said
that because, again, I startedthe platforms right on Instagram
, ig, tiktok, and, and, and andall kinds of places Right, and I
had so many people jump on.
I'm happy to where I am, I'm,I'm, I enjoy this.
I was born this way and I hadso many people jump on.
I'm happy the way I am, I enjoythis.
I was born this way and andthat's what I said, I'm like
(18:09):
because I remember when I was init you know, it's like you're
complicit, it's like this is,this is tormenting.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
It was funny is a lot of the conversations to be had,
you know, going forward, even alot of people, a lot of people
in my community won't like myresponse because it I, they
people think I'm teeter,tottering and, and you know,
straddling the fence, but inreality, um, to the point that I
was just making it.
It's like, uh, even with me notbeing happy on that one foot
(18:37):
out, I'm confident in who.
I am Right and I and I knowwhat's right from wrong.
You know, and if you take yourchurch hurt out, you take your
life hurt, your traumas out andyou look at the world in a
perspective of selfishness tomake a better you, you won't
have time to worry aboutpeople's opinion.
(18:59):
The only thing that will matteris law and Bible, you know, and
the literal and that's.
I can't procreate with a man.
You cannot.
It was not intended, it was not.
There is right from wrong.
There is People ostracize gayright from drunk right.
Drug right from gay right.
You know.
Killing right from gay right.
(19:21):
People do that, not God Right.
And if you see it that way, forwhat it is, you'll spend more
time working on yourself.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
Well see, I think the thing is people, they, you have
to see something, you have toyou have to see it as being
wrong, right, and I think inthis culture they've embraced it
so much that it's no, it's'snot about being wrong, it's it's
, it's acceptance, right.
And so you have people whowould normally be rejected, but
(19:50):
here's just this, this community, that's all inclusive, right,
that's like you know.
Hey, come over here.
That people group don't likeyou, come over here, and that's
offensive to me as the footthat's in.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
Don't like that, right, you know what I'm saying.
But the whole movement wasbuilt off of that.
I mean, yeah, yeah, you right,you right.
I guess I didn't have thatknowledge back then.
Yeah, but today, having it, Idon't like everything new.
Because what's the A for?
Is that an ally?
If that is what that's for,y'all need to stay where y'all
at and support from the back,like you're supposed to.
(20:21):
I don't know if that's what Ithink is asexual, actually, I'm
just thinking about it.
But it's just like stuff likethat, like I just don't think it
, just because you don't fit inthe world's sense of normalcy,
that you should just be intothis.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
So what you're saying is when things arise and the
world or the powers that bedon't understand what it is,
they lump them into the LGBTcommunity.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
Yeah, because I know there's a trans out here,
offended that they're labeled asLGBTQ and they identify as a
straight woman.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
Now you said a straight woman.
So you're saying you can betrans.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
There's a man that turned into a woman.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
Like RuPaul.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
Okay, that's a drag queen, but good idea, right?
So there's someone that liveslike that day in and day out and
they just want to be identifiedas a straight woman that
they've paid and worked tobecome, but they're
automatically identified as Okay, wait.
So you're saying a trans man Isa woman to man, so let's go.
(21:32):
I'm so confused, let's bringyou up to knowledge.
Okay, here we go.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
You are a woman.
I am all woman, baby, all woman.
First of all science.
Don't a cis woman.
That's science, first of allscience.
Don't call me nothing.
Science calls me what the Lordsays I am.
I am a woman, you understand.
So you get that You're a woman.
No, no, no, hold on, let's justgo there.
That's a dog.
(22:02):
You can't change molecular.
Well, the studies are going tochange it.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
That's why there's ongoing studies.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
Right, you cannot scrub my DNA.
Okay, here's the thing.
Let's just be clear.
If you burned up today, youknow especially the people who
got all the you know thechanging and the gingers and you
taking off stuff and putting iton and attacking things and
they'll crawling, okay, allright, so that was really funny.
But, uh, you do that.
Right.
Let's say you get into a fireGod forbid, but you get into a
(22:30):
fire and you burn, right, allyour Velcro parts or all
everything that you put on.
I'm sorry, it came out again.
I'm sorry, no offense, I'msorry, came out again.
So all of that burns, correct?
Do you not know that your teethwill identify you?
You understand?
Oh, okay, I get the point thatyou're making.
(22:51):
You got it, and your teeth willsay what you were born as, you
understand, not what youtransitioned to.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
Yeah, what if I have veneers?
I'm kidding, okay, so let metake you back to the knowledge.
Let me give you back Boom, haveveneers?
I'm kidding, okay, so let metake you back to the knowledge.
Let me give you back basicknowledge.
I got you.
You know, it's so funny Women.
Let me get back to basicknowledge.
Okay, trans, okay, if you are atrans woman, you are a woman
who transitioned into that.
That's why we transition meanschanging.
(23:24):
Yeah, okay, you are just womanand then the man to woman is
called.
They're identified as transwoman because they transition to
that.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
Got it.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
Man is a man of trans descent, so they transitioned
into that man.
Ok, wait time out.
Same thing, flip roles Transman is a woman, is a woman who
transitioned to that man Okay,wait Time out.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
Same thing flip-flops .
Trans man is a woman whotransitioned into a man.
Yeah, got it, okay, because Iwouldn't be just a man Right,
I'm just a man Right.
So you trans man transitional.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
Trans woman.
So that's how we identify that.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
Okay, so trans woman is a man who went to a woman.
Trans man is a woman who wentto a man.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
One to one is two.
Say it again no.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
So trans woman is a woman, a man, a man who went to
a woman, and a trans man is awoman who went to a man.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
Whatever you ended with, remember it started the
opposite.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
Yeah, that's what I just said, yeah.
Speaker 3 (24:24):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
So now that's the trans.
What is the okay?
You got the lesbians.
Okay, bi, I'm sorry, bi, whatyou mean, lb, bi.
What's the difference?
What's the difference betweenbi and lesbians?
Speaker 2 (24:43):
Bi likes both sexes Mm, mm, lesbians.
Bi likes both sexes Lesbians,like both sexes too.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
Some would say you know because, some would say
that if you, okay, let's take aman.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
Right.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
If you sleep with a man once, you're gay.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
A woman can have a kid and still be a full-blown
lesbian.
I don't get it.
I don't get it.
I don't get that.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
Because to me that's no bisexual, that doesn't count.
No, here's the thing If you area male, right, let's just talk
about it.
If you are male and you've beenpenetrated by another male,
correct, and you sleep with awoman, you just decided to sleep
with a woman, but thefoundation of it, you're gay.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
No, but you know what .
You know.
I'm such a real man, I don'tget offended by that.
This is how I am.
I plan on being so articulatewith my words.
Yes, when I have a platform tohelp people find themselves in
the hopes that it's in Christ,right that you're never going to
(25:49):
hear me say I was gay and nowI'm straight.
I am gay, I was gay and I nowlean and depend on God.
I was gay and I don't.
I could say that right now Idon't sleep with men.
I'm not.
There is nothing unless God,unless a relationship came to me
(26:09):
with a man long term, I am not,ain't a man I'm not preparing
to sleep with, to penetrate me,nor am I penetrating.
That's a place that I am in mylife Right, right, right.
So when I'm there, to where I'mnot entertaining men at all, my
verbiage will never be I'mstraight.
I'm such a See the thing is,pastor Sho, I'm such a real man
(26:35):
I'm not offended by those typeof terms.
And what type of terms.
You don't even remember what.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
Because I said if you sleep with a man, you're gay.
Is that wrong the terminology?
You don't even remember what?
Because I said if you sleepwith a man, you're gay?
Speaker 2 (26:46):
Is that wrong the terminology?
It doesn't matter to me.
I can't really answer thatbecause it's about what I live
In every aspect.
It's about how I live From theenemy's aspect.
He don't care how I present toy'all.
I can tell y'all I'm straightall day.
I could put on a what's itcalled?
(27:08):
You put on the face of whatthey call, say godliness and
deny the power.
What does it say?
What's the term?
Come on, you know, y'all know.
You know I could do that.
I could act.
Look straight all day.
Make y'all believe.
You know what the DL do is goget a big woman, nice, hefty
woman, and have kids with him.
Make y'all think I'm living therighteous life and all of that.
(27:30):
It don't matter.
The enemy will.
Let me minister to y'all likethat.
He cares about how I live inprivate, what I'm watching on
that phone screen at night, whatI'm doing behind closed doors,
okay, so when I say theterminology don't matter to me,
it don't matter to me because myI don't care that y'all think
I'm gay because I wear a wig.
I care about what I'm doing onthe inside and what I'm working
(27:53):
on on the back end.
So if you go sleep better atnight by saying I'm gay because
I've been penetrated or havepenetrated a guy, then that's
cool.
I can, I can go with that.
I can subscribe to that rightalong with you.
The truth of the matter is,when I say I don't deal with men
, no more to me, that that makesme straight.
(28:15):
I'm not sleeping with men nomore.
That makes me straight.
If we being real honest.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
So that makes you straight, now, straight Now.
This is teetering into theescape room.
So you know again.
If you want to know theconfounds and you want to be in
the know, the escape room iswhere it's going to go down.
You got a little thumbnail forthe escape room.
But just a caveat, just a caveat, just a teaser here, and you'll
find that on Patreon.
But yes, you must subscribe tosee that, because we're really
(28:41):
going to be talking aboutpeople's personal stories and
really getting down into thenitty gritty of the hows and
whys.
Right, but just just a snippetpiece in that.
So you know you say OK, I'mstraight because I don't sleep
with the man that makes youstraight.
Now the question is does thatresolve the issues that's in
your soul?
Speaker 2 (29:02):
No.
So here's the thing what isdeliverance?
Deliverance is understanding mystruggle.
Let's go back.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
Pause because you're fitting to get into the escape
room.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
Okay, I'm trying to answer my question.
Let me try to stay baseline.
What I'm saying is what you'resaying.
Number one the original pointthat I was making it I am going
to try my best in this spiritualwalk and in my, in my life, of
of my purpose, my ministry, todo something that that the
(29:37):
church failed to do for yearsand people in leadership failed
to do all the time, and that isarticulate and use my words
wisely.
So I'm not going to addressmyself as straight because the
world don't see it as straightbecause of my past, you know,
and so what I'm going to do islet people know.
Yeah, I was gay.
That's what I'm gonna do.
Remember, I told you I wasgonna do that.
(30:00):
Yeah, I was gay, but I don'tsleep with men.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
Okay, so then now the question is.
The question is first of all,let's put your taco meat up,
because you I mean you over herelooking like a a rick or a
squave.
So.
So then the question now is youknow, am I gay according to my
(30:28):
outward appearance?
That's right.
Or am I gay Because you can sayall day I don't sleep with men?
But being attracted to men initself it's a gay act.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
It is.
It is a gay, it is a gaytendency.
Okay, gay is a verb, it is anaction.
Okay, it is a gay, it is a gaytendency.
Okay, gay is a verb, it is anaction.
Okay, it is two people Y'alllittle dummies on the football
field and he missed a touch,quarterback touchdown or
whatever.
Speaker 3 (30:55):
Oh, that's gay.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
That's not gay.
Gay is two people of the samesex having sexual encounters.
That's what that is.
Now is living a life, a gaylifestyle, a gay act, meaning
one thing, one time thing.
No, that is gay.
That is what it is.
(31:17):
But my past.
They don't have nothing to dowith my future.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
Right, so here's the deal.
So, if you are, I'm arecovering gay.
Okay, so here's the deal.
So, if you are okay, so ifyou're saying, okay, I am no
longer in the lifestyle, right,like for myself, right, I did, I
did almost 20 years in it,right, I don't know 10, 15 years
, it's been so long ago, I don'tknow.
(31:41):
But so you're straight throughdeliverance, got through it, you
know, dealt with the trauma,dealt with everything, all of
the underlying issues, right,and then.
So now you know, I believe thatsleeping with a female is
terribly wrong.
I don't, I don't think thatit's God's best.
(32:01):
Right, I am no longer attractedto women.
Now, there were days where Ifeel I thought I would never, so
pause.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
Yeah, that's where I was going.
That you said was an escaperoom.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
Right now.
Now, oh, I'm dancing With theattraction, yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
I'm tap dancing.
I feel like I'm going to leanand depend on God Right To
control, and if control meanstake those desire or attractions
away, then by all means.
But in my opinion, you know, Ihave had substance problems in
my life.
I've had so many things thatI've conquered and I've been
(32:36):
delivered from and.
I haven't went back to.
I feel like this is that thingthat's going to keep me leaning
in the way of God.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
Now have you been delivered from it.
Do you know what deliverance is?
Who me?
Speaker 2 (32:49):
I know what deliverance is.
Okay, yeah, and so that's why,in my mind, when I think about
my future, I feel like you know,I feel like this escape room
talks almost.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
Right, so we'll talk about that in the escape room,
right?
But I want to get back to thedefinitions, right?
Because I feel like I amthoroughly confused.
You are the alphabets and allof the categories.
You know, I feel like I'mplaying categories.
(33:30):
Can we look it up, huh?
Speaker 2 (33:32):
Can we look it up?
We can look it up I could breakit down to you, if I see,
because the Q and the I and theA and the M-N-O-P, that's where
you kind of lose.
M-e.
Now my trans on down, down, Igot your back.
Love all ye thee.
Speaker 1 (33:51):
And in between, okay, so now, while you're looking
that up, you know, and we cantalk about that, but I would
like to spend a whole episode onpronouns okay, I don't need
that for this.
Okay, because, again, I am aChristian.
Speaker 2 (34:10):
So you mean he me, she, them, they, rah, cat rah,
and all that.
I mean yes, basically.
So we're going to underlinesome of that as demonic and then
we're going to get to the he me, she them, they.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
But here's the deal, though, here's the deal, though
here's the deal.
You know, and a lot of peoplewas like you know, it's not
demonic.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
You can tell when I'm joking.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
It's not demonic and it's not, you know, but if
you're not from that, uh,culture, not even culture.
Um, if you are, again, I'm aChristian, right, there are
powers that be, right, there'sgood and there's God, and then,
of course, there's anotherentity, right, this is my
(34:50):
podcast, right, and I believethat, and so for me, he, we, she
, them, they.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
It's too hard in a sentence.
Speaker 1 (34:59):
That's number one and number two.
When you say I identify as weand them, first of all, who the
heck is them?
Speaker 2 (35:08):
That's number one and you always identify that until
we and them punch you and nowyou a girl again.
You understand, and that's justwhat I don't get.
Sorry, put that on the screen.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
Wait a minute.
Okay, you know.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
Okay, it's just like I don't know.
Okay, so let's go back to whatthe pronouns are and why they
are.
That it is a form of acceptance.
You're right.
Are we talking in circles?
Speaker 1 (35:36):
No, you're right, Okay, but I don't understand the
acceptance part of saying thatI am multiple people.
I don't get it.
They're not saying they'remultiple people.
Let's look at okay now.
I was never great at English.
I was never great at English,okay, and math was not my
subject.
Now you give me a good coloringbook, I'm going to be your.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
Okay, but they're not saying they're multiple people.
They're saying they don'tsubscribe to one gender identity
.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
That's multiple, that's one too.
Gender identity that's multiple, that's one too.
I don't understand.
I'm not bashing, okay, that'sthe last time I say it on my
platform.
I ain't saying it, no more.
Okay, this is the lovingplatform and I just, I am
passionately trying tounderstand.
Okay, when you say, if Iintroduce myself and I say hello
(36:26):
, I am them, we are them, them,whiteners, okay, what I learned
in English as a tyke, okay,little thing, right there, right
, a tyke, okay, little thing,right, right, we've learned that
(36:52):
them or we or they are multiplepeople, meaning more than one
Correct, correct, right.
So if I, if, if, if I'm talkingto you and I come up to you and
say hello, my name is so-and-soand I identify as they, right,
somebody can say that, correct,okay?
So then for me, what you'retelling me, I'm going to
(37:12):
automatically especially youknow being who I am and what I
do I'm going to automatically belike I'm sorry, I am talking to
more than one.
And do we need a back room togo work?
I'm so serious because I'mconfused.
Speaker 2 (37:28):
It reminds me you know, so are you confused on why
.
Speaker 1 (37:34):
No, I'm reminded of the movie though Split.
Ok, do you remember that movie?
Yes, and why are you remindedof that?
Speaker 2 (37:42):
OK, ok, so if you say you must be on the backstory
side.
Speaker 1 (37:46):
No, no, no.
If you say, if you say, okay, Iidentify as them, right, it's
stop laughing.
In the movie Split, okay, hehad four different, five
different people.
He had the little boy, he hadthe lady Right, he had the neat
freak Right, then he had theartist right and then the beast,
correct, okay.
(38:06):
So he would say, you know we.
They would always say we, oh,okay, that's number one.
They would always say we.
And then the little boy waslike well, they won't, so-and-so
, won't, let me come to thelight.
Right, and that meant the otherpersonality.
Speaker 2 (38:24):
So that's where it's very different.
Speaker 1 (38:26):
Talk to me.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
Explain their, them, their them, is almost in a
gender.
It is in a like a gender fluidlike way of terminology.
Okay, they are saying, not thatthis is not like a trans.
(38:48):
A trans feels like a man thatturns into a woman.
A trans woman feels like I am awoman.
I put in the work, I'm on thehormones, I have breasts, I am
now a woman.
So the people let's, let's tryto really give an example that
look like me.
You know when I'm like this,but I may have hair, and I say
(39:11):
oh, you know and I'm saying thisbecause I don't subscribe to
Now, if you ask me, how do youidentify?
Oh, man, he.
Speaker 1 (39:19):
I'm not offended by either or.
Speaker 2 (39:21):
Now, when a dude come up to me and be like, yeah girl
, now I'm going to show you I'ma man, but no Other than that.
Speaker 1 (39:28):
So why is that?
Because I've seen women and men, okay, who identify as other
things because I don't know, youknow, but they will get
offended and I mean low-keyfight.
Speaker 2 (39:46):
So look, guy, the people that are done that like
physically, look like me as faras versatility, maybe with style
or whatever right they're them.
The term them, they for them,is not feeling like I'm a man
and a woman all the time.
Sometimes it's just like I don,I don't fit in either, or and
(40:07):
it's so sad because to me that'san insecurity.
It's sad to me because that'san insecurity, because you feel
like you don't fit into onecategory because of what the
world is, world deems masculine.
You don't feel like you.
You fit in somewhere because ofwhat the world deems feminine,
and so you have subscribed towhat the box that the world
(40:29):
created for you.
Speaker 1 (40:31):
Now, when you, I'm having a hard time following,
okay.
So when you say world, you'rebasically saying, okay, here I
am this person, right, and Ihave these bins and I, let's say
, I feel like I'm weird, likesomebody has called me weird all
my life, right, and because,let's say, I don't like sports
but I like tech stuff, right.
(40:54):
So then that will be considered.
But since I don't fit into thebox, yeah.
Speaker 2 (40:58):
So now the world has this term called tech geek, and
so now I'm subscribing to I'm atech.
I'm a tech geek because theworld doesn't see me as normal,
because I don't like sports.
So, to transfer that logic tothis, these people that I
identify as they and them, somepeople feel like there's no box
to check for them, because theworld says because I'm pretty,
(41:23):
oh, from back there I thoughtyou were a girl, and so it
triggers all these, and so Isaid it's sad for me because
it's like another insecurity,it's a lack of confidence.
Speaker 1 (41:35):
It's a lack of assurance in who you are as a
person.
But is it that?
Or is it schemes?
Speaker 2 (41:39):
Because let's say, you're talking about an escape
room truth.
You're right, it's an escaperoom truth.
You talking about an escaperoom truth?
You right, it's an escape roomtruth.
The borderline that's sittingat the tip of the majority's
brain is where do I fit in?
Where do I fit?
It's an identity thing.
It's an identity crisis.
Yes, it is, and sometimes it'swithin their self after the
(41:59):
world, put it in them.
You know, when I say world, I'mbeing broad spectrum, I'm being
very general.
Okay, world, put it in them.
You know, when I say world, I'mbeing broad spectrum, I'm being
very general, because I'm not.
I'm so unbothered and out oftune with where that, that group
of people, that project, oh,you're not a man or a woman.
You're a them.
I don't know who that is, wherethat came from, how it was
(42:20):
brought about.
I don't know if our communitydid that.
If you know so, when I say theworld, that's what I'm, that's
why I say that, but that'sultimately what it is.
You know what I mean.
I have someone really close tome that I care about that.
I that has never corrected mewhen I addressed them as him,
because that's what he is, hebut I addressed him as him and I
(42:43):
didn't know that their pronounswere they them.
He's never corrected me becausehe knows my heart, he knows our
relationship and we're coollike that.
But when he explained to mewhen I first found out not long
ago, he explained just what Ibroke down to you that he just
(43:03):
sometimes doesn't know what boxhe fits in.
Speaker 1 (43:05):
Is that because he feels rejected?
Speaker 2 (43:08):
Because at the end of the day, I think that's who it
is.
Yeah, I think if we want tospeak on majority, it is between
rejection and establishedinsecurities like insecurities
that were put on you Like.
I never felt a problem with mebeing a boy wearing hair until
everybody made it a problemaround me, and so now I'm
questioning my manhood, who I amwhat I'm supposed to be.
Speaker 1 (43:31):
So you're saying I can still be a man and wear.
Okay, because men, okay, thereare men who wear lace fronts.
Two flays Now.
Where are the two flays now?
Now, stop now.
Because there are men who andy'all are over there hitting and
everything when the two slaves?
Now?
Because there are men who, theyain't nothing but some fatalism
.
Let's just be clear.
Speaker 2 (43:48):
Okay, but we call it what it is.
Let's talk like the world uphere when we not in the escape
room.
So yeah, there are some men whocan wear inches and still be
straight.
I'm that man.
Speaker 1 (44:06):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (44:06):
So if you that man, Okay so if you say he gonna take
it, and I'm gonna let him takeit.
Speaker 1 (44:11):
Here's the deal.
Here lies in my problem.
Speaker 2 (44:16):
Okay, who said that the hair was for a woman.
Show me, get the Bible, james,james, catholic Methodist, all
of it.
Pull it out and show me whereheels was for a woman, because
Prince had hecka, hecka.
Speaker 1 (44:39):
Now here's the deal.
Now, if you're going to go, youknow, doing fashion and
everything, back in theElizabethan period men wore
heels, men had hair, but in thesense of, that's one thing to be
a man and to have long hair andto wear heels with boots on it.
I mean, kurt Franklin does it.
I mean, let's be honest, sorry,I'm trying to keep it straight
(45:02):
he doesn't wear hair, but hewears heels because he's short.
I saw him in person once.
He's short, he's super short,so he wears.
If you look at when he's onstage gyrating, he's wearing
heels.
Okay, now, not in the sense ofa stiletto, like a woman I could
wear.
Speaker 2 (45:20):
I will walk down in a stiletto Look at the video
right here.
Speaker 1 (45:23):
Okay, we're not putting a video, no, okay.
Speaker 2 (45:26):
So what I'm saying is this I find it problematic when
I like I already know whereyou're going and I like your
choice of word Right.
Speaker 1 (45:35):
It's problematic for me, okay, right, when, if a man
is wearing his hair long, that'sfine, and he still has the
masculine persona, right, themasculine movement, and he's
masculine, I'm gonna hold you tothat and here's the deal.
Here's the deal as a, as awoman and as a black woman, I'm
(45:55):
beautiful because I but it.
It bothers me to see a man.
Right, you got on heels and I'mtalking about stilettos.
Okay, I'm on me.
Okay, yeah, I'm talking aboutyou.
(46:15):
Stilettos, right, I mean you.
I mean more Mac than me, lasheslonger than mines.
Okay, I mean a little, a littledip in your hip, just a little
stronger than what it needs tobe, because you trying to open
up and say that's the problem Ifyou just got a bigger lash
Because I have nothing butmascara on, and mine are longer
than yours.
(46:36):
We're just, I'm just saying butI have an issue, right, because
my thing is, you're not made todo what I do, right, as well as
I'm not made to do what a mandoes.
Speaker 2 (46:50):
You and you, and you made this thing that you're
saying I'm not made to wear ordo for you.
Now let's speak.
Speaker 3 (47:01):
What I'm saying is.
Speaker 2 (47:02):
I'm not made to reproduce, carry a child.
I mean you're not.
The heel wasn't made for yourfoot.
Speaker 1 (47:11):
Okay, that's fine, I never remember.
Let's go back, okay.
I said no, I said I don't havea problem with me because let me
pull on my fashion bag just alittle bit.
Back in the Elizabethan period,men wore heels too.
Okay, okay, okay.
So all had chunky heels.
What I'm stating is is whenwhat you're wearing, right, it
resembles, it models, it mimic,it mocks me.
(47:34):
You know why I agree with younow.
Speaker 2 (47:36):
Um, as of today, one foot in, one foot out is the
term we're going to use for TyRashad.
One foot in, one foot out isthe term we're going to use for
Ty Rashad.
One for them, one for them.
I don't wear nails because Iliterally can wear 30 inches of
hair straight and people willthink it's my hair because I can
lay a lace like that right.
But when I wear the nails it'sso unnatural that everything
(48:00):
else looks fake, and now I'mresembling what women do to be
feminine and so it's no longermasculine.
But I can wear hair.
So I agree with you because Ican't wear stilettos and look
like a masculine male.
I can't even walk mask.
And I was at the strip, at thegay strip, about a month and a
half ago and this boy I wasdressed like this and his boy
(48:22):
was like you was here like threemonths ago with heels on.
You be faking, trying to getwhat you want.
I was like boy.
First of all, ain't nothing outhere.
I want number one, but numbertwo you go put on a pair of five
inch stilettos and try to walklike you got some Air Forces on
and see how that work.
So my point is I agree with youbecause there are certain
things that, even though I couldsay, I could argue with you
(48:45):
that the heel lane made for thewoman, I can't be masculine in a
stiletto but I can wear aplatform.
I can wear my Doc Martinplatforms, I can wear my moon
boots I can wear there are somewedges I could put on and really
look like a decent man and it'sa thing I get what you're
saying when it's a point ofself-expression, fashion forward
(49:08):
, you know, freedom of speech,your own dang personal choices
and then resembling Versus youtrying to embody, attempting to
embody yeah.
Speaker 1 (49:19):
Right, all right, man , we're going to have to
continue this conversation.
We're going to have to continuethis conversation yeah.
I'm seeing how this is going togo.
Yeah, we're going to have tocontinue.
No thanks for stopping by andlistening.
We got some heavy topics comingdown the pipeline.
So you think you're gay.
I'm your host, sho Whitener.
I love y'all.
Stay tuned, there's so muchmore to come.
All right, y'all, we'll see.
(49:40):
You See ya.
So you think you're?
Speaker 3 (49:58):
gay Peace out.
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