S4 EP3 Knots Landing: Encounters - The "I Know You Lyin!!!!!" Episode

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The cul-de-sac throws a sunny party for Baby Daniel, but every smile has a shadow. We dive into Knots Landing Season 4, Episode 3 to unpack the decisions that bruise, the truths that break through, and the one garage conversation that redraws the map. Richard dazzles the neighbors with food, then stuns Laura by leaping from law to restaurant owner with a secret deposit and a head full of wine lists. Val faces a ruthless PR gauntlet that turns her novel into headlines and her home into a photo set, until a bathtub refuge is shattered by pushy “support” and a trap that delivers Gary to her in a stark, echoing parking structure. Gary’s half-apology and “I miss you” land like a hook, but Val refuses the bait. Anger becomes a boundary, not a burden. Abby, meanwhile, won’t wait around for a man who can’t pick a house or a lane; she’s ready to build, and the stalling exposes Gary’s craving for admiration over accountability. At a dim lounge, a singer with a mullet and a powerhouse voice steals the scene and hints at a trend: when characters can’t say what they want, the music says it for them. Back at the shop, Karen’s grief sharpens into grit as Wayne’s “dentist” alibi slips in a casual brag. One eerie warehouse beat later, the murder thread tightens—and the score turns the air cold. This episode is a study in pressure and choice: paper plates vs. porcelain expectations, closure vs. control, dreams vs. consent. We talk love triangles, public image, career pivots, and the cost of secrets, with sharp character beats for Val, Abby, Karen, and Laura. If you’re here for soapy twists, 80s music cameos, true-crime tension, and fierce boundaries, you’ll feel right at home. If this breakdown hit a nerve, follow and subscribe, share with a friend who loves vintage prime-time soaps, and leave a quick review—what was your biggest “no way” moment?

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SPEAKER_01 (00:02):
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We gotta jump right on into thistoday.
I hope you showed up with thebed bread.
Or if you're listening to thison your mobile device, go on and
get something to drink.
We gotta discuss this.
I'm almost speechless on thisepisode.
I guess I should introduce it.
We are watching Knot's Landing,season four, episode three,
called the heck is this called?

(01:27):
Encounters.
Shout out to these generictitles, okay?
I'm I'm starting to walk intothis surprisingly more blind
than before.
I think it's a combination ofwatching four soap opera
simultaneously and also notthinking too much about it.
But encounters that could beanything, personal encounters,

(01:50):
alien encounters.
This one is just the only thingI can say is I know you lying.
I know you're effing lying.
Ain't no way.
Oh.
Go ahead and pour yourself upsomething bubbly and bright.
Go ahead and black out yourcalendar for a little bit.
Put your phone on do notdisturb, y'all.
We are jumping into season four,episode three of Knot's Landing

(02:14):
Encounters.
Okay, stay with me here.
From growing up in the 90s,watching television, 90s, 2000s,
2010s, whatever.
I can specifically recall in themaybe mid to late 90s on shows
like Moesha, sometimes onBeverly Hills 902, and oh that

(02:35):
was probably a little bit closerto the beginning of it.
Specifically on sitcoms thatwere teenage-centered.
Not at all unusual to have amusical guest.
I can't tell you how many timesI've seen that storyline.
I think Full House had anepisode or two.
I know Moesha always haddifferent guests on freaking

(02:55):
Destiny's Child was on a coupleshows.
Say by the Bell definitely had acouple of iterations of them
having some sort of music groupone way or another.
Having a musical guest is notthat unusual, but I'm starting
to see it more and more on theseshows.
Why?
Why?
Don't get me wrong.
I'm not complaining.
I love a good A and B selection.
I love me a good song.

(03:17):
However, is this just par forthe course when your show
becomes popular?
Is this how you fold in guests?
Is this how they break newartists?
We got a whole concert seriesthis episode.
We got discussions of stardom.
I don't even really know what tomake of it.
I'm not mad at it, but I'm justlike, are they gonna keep doing
this?
It comes to mind because ofDominique on Dynasty.

(03:40):
That's her name, right?
Dominique?
Diane Carroll has a wholesinging gig on there.
We've already had, oh my god,what was what was Care Bear's
name here on Knott's Landing?
Carabare had a hit.
She was, you know, popular for alittle bit, which makes sense
when you think of Kenny being onthe show, but he's not even
prominent.
Okay, let me stop.
I'm rambling.

(04:00):
Let's get into this.
Let's go ahead and break thisoff, okay?
At the top of the show, we seethe backyard extravaganza, aka a
sip and see, or a belated babyshower for baby Daniel.
Baby Daniel, by the way, doesnot seem all that impressed.
His bassinet is outside.
He didn't ask for any of this,but all of the neighbors are in

(04:21):
the backyard stuffing theirface.
When I tell you, people aresmacking lips, licking fingers,
like, damn, this is fire.
Richard, what is this?
Richard explains this so-and-so,this that this with some cream
fresh.
Max country ass don't know whatthat is.
He said, What does that mean?
Karen's like, it's milk, it'scream, onions, and mushrooms.

(04:41):
But I think Richard needs toopen a restaurant.
Damn, Rich, this is delicious.
They are baby, they're going totown.
Everybody is enjoying the F outof the meal and adoring baby
Daniel.
So we learn pretty quicklythrough all of the fawning over
the baby that baby Daniel'sbackseat entry into the world is
astonishing.
The kid tipped the scales atover nine pounds, which makes

(05:04):
Laura's concern about having anall-natural childbirth all the
more real.
Nine pounds, no epidural.
She, no wonder she was like, I'mgonna die, yo.
Women die giving birth everyday.
Yeah, you gave birth to a fullwatermelon in a sedan with
nothing but orange juice on yourlips.

(05:24):
And a man you can barely standon your hip.
Give this woman a break.
I quite frankly think she needsto do absolutely nothing but
raise this baby for the next twoto three months.
Everybody else chip in,wonderful neighborhood to do
that.
Y'all come help her out.
She shouldn't be doing anything.
Richie makes a comment thoughthat stands out to me more than
anything else in this particularscene.
He says, Y'all forgive the paperplates.

(05:47):
My wife doesn't like to dodishes.
Number one, sir, you are quitecomfortable in your role as head
of the household, even thoughyou ain't got no job.
No disrespect, but also you dothe dishes, sir, okay?
She's giving birth toquarterbacks and selling the
finest houses money can buy.
In SoCal, nonetheless, you canwash a dish or two.

(06:07):
But then also, the country partof me is like, wait a minute,
wait, wait, wait.
Is this about is this is not abarbecue?
It's not really a dinner party.
I totally forgot that paperplates haven't been around since
the dawn of time.
Somebody used to really have abarbecue and you had real
porcelain plates outside.
I can't even imagine.

(06:28):
Can you imagine washing platesafter a barbecue?
I hope my mom don't get mad atme saying this.
Actually, it wasn't really.
Well, it was all of them.
My mom and my dad.
My parents, I don't feel likethey grew up super poor, but
they were definitely raised bypeople who did grow up poor.
Nothing wrong with that.
But some of the things that wewould wash, I'm like, what?
We're just doing this becauseit's habit.

(06:49):
We don't really need to do this.
Y'all remember the Dixie platesthat are the kind of plastic
ones?
They're a little more shiny.
They're a little fancier.
They're not actually paper,they're plastic.
Yeah, I can distinctly rememberwashing those in the summer.
And washing the bowls, and Iwould get so irritated that I
would crack them so I can getrid of them.
But yeah, like, why are we doingthis?
I get it, save a penny,especially in this economy.

(07:12):
Now, yeah, I might rinse it outonce or twice, but why are we
doing this?
And then I go to mygreat-grandmother's house and
she'd have all these jars fromjams and stuff over the years,
using them as like glasses andstuff.
That is a very country thing.
Drinking tea out of a mason jaris very normal, but sometimes
you might look at your mason jarand realize it's an old jar of
helm's or some mustard from1957.

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Anyway, the party is hopping.
Everybody's adoring the baby.
The baby looks uncomfortable, hewants to go inside, and Richard
has just cooked his littlenarrow behind off.
They're eating good, they lovingthe baby good.
It's a wonderful time.
Only Valen the Vidalia OnionQueen and her country and
Western star mother have notmade an appearance.

(07:56):
Why?
Val is upstairs fretting over anoutfit.
She don't know what to wear.
Should I wear this?
Should I wear that?
Lily May say, girl, put onwhatever.
Baby Daniel is gonna think youlook stunning.
He's gonna say, Girl, that's socute, Val.
Thank you for showing up to mybackyard kickback, baby shower,
sip and see, whatever, eat andsee.
I don't know.
Val says, No, Mama, I just, ohgosh, I'll let me get my mind

(08:18):
together.
Why don't you go ahead and headon over?
Lily May does just that.
You know, she comes with thatgood old country hoodoo, wives
tell, the shape of the baby'shead.
Oh, he's smart.
That's a smart baby you gotthere.
She's going on and on.
Joe comes up.
Joe wants to know, hey, where'sVidalia?
Lily May says she's at home,fretting over her dress.

(08:40):
Immediately, Joe's spidey sensestarts to tingle.
This needs to be said, y'allknow I like Joe.
I like Joe a lot.
However, he's reminding me ofanother Joe.
He's he's more Joe Jackson thisepisode than he is Joe Karen's
little brother.
For those of you who don't know,Joe Jackson is Michael Jackson's
dad.
Some might say he beat hischildren into excellence.

(09:02):
Some might say that's just forthe way things were back then.
Either way, once Karen's littlebrother Joe realizes that Valen,
the Vidalia Onion Queen, ain'tmaking an appearance, he goes
over to the house after he dumpsLily May off on Mac.
He goes over very sweet, seemslike a very encouraging figure,
per usual, Valen.

(09:22):
My darling, why aren't youdressed?
Why aren't you going over to theparty?
Oh, Joe, I'm doing a couplerevisions.
He immediately calls BS, which Ilove about Joe.
Valen, you don't need to do anymore revisions.
Now we got people coming.
You're gonna go to this meeting.
Why don't you go say hi to yourfriends across the street?
Starting to give off mom vibes alittle, right?
Or dad vibes.
So well, Joe, I mean, I'm notreally ready to do that.

(09:45):
I'd rather chill here in myhouse and look over this book I
don't really want to put outinto the world.
That's what I want to do.
Oh, Val, these are your friends.
They care about you.
Everybody knows what's going on.
Why don't you go over?
Valen, the Vidalia Onion Queen,has had about enough of y'all
telling her what she does anddon't need to do.
She's gonna let you know rightnow.
Today is the new day joke.
This is season four, episodethree.

(10:06):
I ain't the same little Vidaliaonion queen back in the day.
I'm not one of those littleVidalia onion.
I'm a big country bum.
I'm I'm damn near turning into acarriage in the middle of the
night.
I'm a bigger onion, okay?
You don't tell me what to do.
I don't go, I'm not goinganywhere.
I'm not going to the party.
Stop asking me.
I'll leave when I want to leave.

(10:26):
It's the implication here.
The implication is that she isturning into some sort of
recluse.
Two things can be true at once.
Yes, she is a little bit, butalso this is a totally
reasonable reaction to a verylife-changing thing that just
happened to her.
Granted, y'all already know myopinion.

(10:48):
This was under her nose theentire time.
Yes, it was on its way, but doesit make it any easier?
No, she ain't trying tocelebrate.
I'm gonna tell you that's whatit is, too.
It's very hard to go places andcelebrate when you're in a like
a super duper funk like that.
You know she loves a baby, youknow she loves a kid.
It goes a little deeper thanthat, though.
It's not just that she can'tcelebrate other people's things.
That's not it.

(11:08):
It's like I am frozen in a placethat I don't want to be.
She admits I don't want thishouse, I don't want to live in
this neighborhood.
Hell, if not for this book, I'dbe on the first thing smoking to
God knows where.
I do not want to be here, Joe.
So if I don't want to have alittle weak barbecue every now
and again, that means I don'thave to.
If I don't want to go over thereand eat cream fresh, then I'm
not going to.

(11:29):
Yeah.
Then she might have gone off onhim a little harder than she
would on a normal day.
Because while she was mindingher business, stressed out about
going to this party, trying tothink of a good excuse not to do
it.
Guess who has the audacity tocall her?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Uh-huh.
You know, homeboy is in hisfully furnished, fully paid for

(11:53):
apartment with his new boosky,Miss Abby Cunningham, who was
washing her hair.
She's fresh out of the shower.
She's trying to get cute for himin the apartment that she funds.
This mother lover is secretmaking secret phone calls,
calling Valen's house.
Valen is not having it.
Stop playing on my phone, Gary.
I don't want to talk to you.
I don't want to see you call myhouse again.
It's gonna be a problem.

(12:14):
Stop calling me.
She got to.
She has to do it.
Let the girl let her be mad, lether kind of live through this,
and once she gets on the otherside, then we can do what we
need to do.
That's my personal opinion.
But let's get back to um thiskept man, the beautiful and
stunning, and apparently worthpursuing Gary Blue Draws Ewing.

(12:35):
I've been trying my best not tosay Gary gets on my nerves, but
Gary gets on my nerves.
He gets on my nerves.
I thought I was a little moreneutral.
And you know what?
Maybe I am, maybe I'm not, butthis was so annoying and so
satisfying.
So, like I said, Abby was in theshower.
She hops out the shower, her andGary are sitting on this couch.

(12:56):
Side note, she has on the cutestcream-colored, slightly
puff-sleeved skater dress.
It is adorable.
She could wear that to this day.
She's got on with some heels.
She got dressed dressed just tochill at the house with him and
his polo.
So they're sitting on the couch.
And if you recall episodes oneand two, if I remember right, I

(13:17):
feel like it was more on episodeone.
She's been looking all overKnott's Landing or wherever for
a place for them to live.
She understands the severity ofthe situation.
Gary, you were once married.
You were still married,technically.
Your wife lives across thestreet.
That makes it quite awkward foreveryone involved.
We need to find a placetogether.

(13:38):
Let's start this life together.
She is for real in love withhim, as far as I can tell.
He's dragging his feet though.
And it's on this episode thatshe starts to see that.
Like she found a listing thatsounds incredible.
It's private, it's near theocean, it's near schools, it's
got a sauna, three bedrooms, anda den.
I mean, it seems like a steal.
He's like, I don't know.
I don't know when she look atit.

(13:59):
She's like, Gary, at some pointwe gotta find a house.
My kids don't even know where Ilive.
They don't know if this is myhouse or our house is my house.
We need something of our own.
He's still apprehensive.
She's like, What the heck?
Like, what is your problem?
We're already in this.
Why aren't we doing more?
He goes, Well, I don't have ajob.
Okay, you'll get a job.
And you're about to have aninheritance.
Well, I don't have money yet.
I don't have it yet.
It's less than a month away.

(14:20):
She has a very valid point.
Eventually, it clicks for her.
She's like, Oh, okay, I see.
Every time you get in a moodlike this, it's because you're
worried about your ex-wife.
And Gary says, See, that's thething.
She's not my ex yet.
There's still some things thatare hanging over my head that
just need to be taken care of.
She's like, like what?
I need to talk to her.

(14:41):
Oh, and tell her that you foundsomebody better in bed.
And here is the first crack ofmany, in my opinion, in their
relationship.
The scene goes on where Garysays, you know, this is a big
thing.
We have things left unsaid.
I need to talk to her.
I can't start something new if Iif I don't finish off what we

(15:03):
had.
Like if I don't, if I don't findclosure, I basically can't move
through this.
And Abby's like, um, you shouldhave thought about that months
ago when we started banging.
You were already in it, my guy.
Very valid point.
But I didn't really think thisthe last episode, right?
I didn't think this on the firstepisode of the season.
I didn't think this the secondto last of last season.

(15:24):
When Gary Ewing on that infamousepisode where Valen walks across
the street and slaps theabsolute dog mess out of Abby.
Rightfully so.
Gary was so compelled, socompelled by the thought of her
that he walked across thestreet.
He was, remember, he wasstressed.

(15:45):
He could not stop staring out ofthe window.
He ran into the bathroom like alittle girl when Val tried to
confront him about the affair.
He couldn't help himself.
The minute he saw her walk outof her home, he ran over there.
He ran over there when hethought she had another man.
So I came to the conclusion thatthere must be deeper feelings
involved.
You know what I'm saying?

(16:05):
He's definitely into this.
But on this one, the fact thathe's stutter stepping is like,
okay, wait, did you just enjoythe chase?
Or what is this?
So Rabbby gets pissed, basicallytelling him, dude, you're
already in something.
You need to figure out what youneed to do.
So she tries to leave.
She only weighs 48 pounds.
So he's able to snatch her up.
And it is the worst.

(16:26):
Oh, put me down, Mister.
It's it's that whole vaudevillevillain puts the damsel in
distress on the train tracks andshe's kicking her feet two
inches at a time, like, oh mygod, I'm fighting for my life.
Is one of those.
But they done got so hot andbothered from fighting that you
know it's on and popping.
Is this just lust?
Is it?

(16:46):
I thought he was in love.
You know what I'm saying?
Are you compelled by thepassion, Gary Ewing?
Not annoying, but just like,huh.
First time I actually had tothink about that like this
again.
Like, okay.
Originally I thought they gottogether because she obviously
pursued him, but he saw that shebelieved in him and they they

(17:08):
were working on somethingtogether, and she had these
bright ideas.
You got to know her.
Seems like you really care forthis woman.
Only to have you be like, Well,I mean, I don't really want to,
I don't really want to move, Idon't really want to look at
house, I don't have any money.
He didn't say that when she gotthat apartment for him, now did
she?
Is this a y'all see the pattern?
You see what I'm saying?
You like what you like as longas someone is praising you,
which is, I mean, it is what itis.

(17:29):
But the minute you need to startmaking decisions, he starts to
throw a fit.
Now, the thing I like aboutAbby, I didn't think she would
be someone who would allow that,and she certainly doesn't seem
to be the case.
If you want to act up, I'm gonnaact up.
If you want to turn your headand go this way, I'm gonna turn
my head and go the opposite way.
What I'm not gonna do is sithere and wait for you.
My name is not Vidalia.
It's Abby, okay?
Gary goes to lunch with an oldergentleman who I'm not quite sure

(17:52):
who he is, and they're having agood time.
This man knows that he is nolonger with his wife, knows that
Gary's no longer with Val.
But he doesn't seem to thinkthat he's with anyone else.
And this man was going on and onabout like, oh my god, dude, to
be single in the early 80s, Imean, right?

SPEAKER_00 (18:09):
Right?
Life is so different now.
Oh, god, what I wouldn't do tobe single.
You're so smart, Gary.
It's so cool that you have thistime to yourself to really
think.

SPEAKER_01 (18:18):
Although the man is being incredibly disrespectful
to his own marriage, he isdropping some truths.
Gary, nothing wrong with beingalone for a little bit.
Nothing wrong with getting yourmind right.
Nothing like coming alive again.
You know what I'm saying?
You gotta see what it's like outthere.

(19:14):
You're not a married man, you'rea single man at this point.
Now, Gary's got that ridiculouslook on his face, per usual.
Just eyebrows shifting all overhis head like Lance Bass.
He don't know what he'sthinking.
But you need to listen to thisman's wisdom.
He's like, yo, nothing wrongwith it.
Nothing wrong with sitting withyourself for a minute.

(19:35):
Not everybody's able to do that.
And then some let's be clear,not everybody's able to sit with
themselves for long periods oftime, and some people really do
move through things prettyquickly.
I.e.
Richard.
Now, at the backyard kickback,as we'll call it from this point
on, there was a moment whenKaren and Laura were sitting
over by the buffet table,woofing down whatever it is that

(19:59):
Richard had just prepared.
And Karen's like, girl, he looksso good.
He seems to be himself again.
He is vibrant, he is healthy, heis happy.
Oh my gosh, I'm just so happy tosee him like this.
Laura is apprehensive.
Remember, the whole reason shemoved back in is because she
thought he was suicidal.
She says, I mean, he he appearsto be that way.

(20:20):
He has his first interviewtomorrow.
He's gotta, you know, he's gonnago to a lawyer's firm, blah,
blah, blah.
I hope he's okay.
She still doesn't really knowfor sure.
So the next day comes, and Isuppose Richard wanted to walk
to his appointment.
I didn't know people walk thatmuch in LA, but maybe he's
downtown and just Makes moresense.
You know what I mean?

(20:41):
Parking's expensive.
Let me just walk, get my nervestogether.
It could be good for you.
Well, instead of walking intothe interview, or maybe he did,
it seems like he did go to theinterview.
He walks by this run-downbuilding.
When he goes inside, there is alovely gentlewoman sitting at a
disc, a disc, a desk in themiddle of this very vacant, once

(21:03):
upon a time restaurant place.
And they strike up aconversation.
She shows him the former dancefloor, the former bar.
Do you want to see the kitchen?
Do you want to see the diningroom?
He's like, Absolutely.
So immediately she's like, Okay,what kind of restaurant are you
opening?
Oh me, I'm not opening one.
I'm just I'm probably wastingyour time.
And she goes, Are you sure?

(21:23):
He says, Yeah, it was just adream.
She goes, You know, well, guesswhat, baby?
That's my specialty.
I turned dreams into a reality.
Apparently, based on the ravereviews he got at the kickback,
Karen being a little birdie inhis ear, like, yo, you need to
cook, you need to open arestaurant, and him telling baby
Daniel to be a chef and not alawyer.

(21:45):
He has this wonderful, sparklingidea.
Richard goes home and Laura ispreparing one of a well, a
slightly less sad-looking salad.
Y'all, actually, no, it's not.
I think Miss Constant McCashinhas enough McCassian to hire a
McCookin' because ain't no wayyou telling me this woman can't

(22:06):
pan a mime a salad.
She is slicing this cucumberlike it's alive, like if she is
skinning a snake.
It is terrifying.
Then they got this half-wiltedlettuce.
Baby, there are mushrooms on thecounter, a giant horse of a
carrot.
She's got a whole bunch ofsliced, not diced.
Who the hell eats slicedtomatoes on a salad?

(22:27):
Sliced hamburger tomatoes, andshe is skinning this cucumber
alive, all at the bottom.
Now, girl, come back to saladlike you got some sense.
That's neither here nor there.
Because maybe she's distracted.
Because Richard, instead ofcoming home talking about the
lawyer and he's finna startdoing, he comes in with this
whole list about payroll andwine and food, rent insurance,

(22:48):
blase, blase.
So and so's restaurant called uhcharges X amount.
We're gonna have to up the Annieon our wine.
She's like, Okay, what are youtalking about?
You're a lawyer.
Why are we talking aboutrestaurants?
Tell me how your interview went,Richard.
He's still going on and on aboutthis restaurant or Bills, not
even a restaurant.
He didn't actually use thatword.
He says, Oh, the interview wentfine.

(23:08):
They want to start me off at 37and a half.
Oh my god, Richard, that'sgreat.
For those of you wondering, thatwith the rate of inflation in
2025 would be approximately125,000 dollars.
Not bad.
Southern California home, brandnew home was about 80k.
He's doing fine, and Laura sellsmillion dollar homes.
So she's all happy.
That's so great.
She's hugging him.

(23:29):
Yay, that's cute.
So what'd you do?
Sign a lease for the restaurant?
She just says it kind of inpassing.
He starts laughing.
She knows that laugh.
Wait a minute, wait a minute.
That was a that wasn't a it's apipe dream laugh.
That's a you signed a lease.
You went out, wait, wait, holdon, wait, wait, wait, wait,

(23:50):
wait, wait, wait.
Hold on, hold on, hold on.
You went out to look for alawyering job and then you
bought a restaurant, a raggedyrestaurant at that.
A DIY restaurant at that.
Richard, did you did you leave adeposit?
He says he did.
She is gobsmacked because thisis exactly the sort of thing she

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left him for before.
We're right back to square one.
Richard, a whole agreement withme moving back in is that we
would share, you would be open,uh you would communicate.
I am telling you.
No, you're not telling me.
I had to ask.
She had to ask.
Oh it uh uh uh.
He's comfortable.

(24:34):
I understand being excited abouta dream, but he's comfortable
and probably really, reallybored.
I'll give him that, but girl,here you are back at square one.
I didn't think it was a goodidea that she moved back in.
Ugh, I sure hate to see herrevert back to her, so I don't
know what's gonna happen.
Well, he says, listen, we aregonna communicate a lot because
I'm gonna need all of your help.
I'm gonna need a lot of help.

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Sir, she has a fresh baby and acareer.
Speaking of bad ideas, dependingon who you ask, Karen is on a
mission.
She is dead set on figuring outwho killed Sid.
Now she's come to the conclusionthat whoever did it obviously
worked in the shop that day.
Could have been a temp, couldhave been one of the regulars.

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But as she goes over the threeguys who were there, one of them
being Weird Wayne or Warren,whatever his name is, it just
didn't seem like any of the guyswho were on the clock that day
would do anything so soterrible.
Now, what she doesn't know isthat she is inches away from her
husband's murderer every singleday with Weird Wayne.
Now, Weird Wayne is stillworking on getting those parts

(25:40):
to her so that she can notburden her customers with the
increase.
The last thing she wants to dois pass the increase of cost
over to them.
Now, last week, Wayne wasmortified and damn near drowned
to death.
When he went up to a house inthe Hollywood Hills, two mafioso
types told him, Not only are wenot gonna sell you parts, you

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better not do anything weirdbehind our back, dude.
We sure hate to drown yournon-swimming ass in this pool.
And he's like, Okay, cool, cool.
I won't do anything.
Now that he's away from thepool, Wayne ain't scared.
He ain't afraid of those twolosers.
He's a mo he's a mob guy, too.
He cut a whole brick line orsomething.
And he'll be damned if he lets apoor man's John Burnthal and a

(26:26):
man built like Fred Flintstoneand a Lego man wearing salmon
pants ruin his day.
Y'all ain't finna tell menothing.
Unless we're Bible, and I'm thenI'm gonna comply.
But since he's not, he decidesto get on a phone and and
intimidate a uh a bookish typeover the phone.
Hey dude, we're gonna go aheadand go with those stolen parts,

(26:47):
okay?
But didn't the mafioso guys tellus not to?
Yeah, they did.
So we're gonna keep it a secret,okay?
Just send me the stolen parts.
I'm gonna make sure KarenFairgate buys them.
So what happens?
He tells Karen, hey girl, I gotyou this deal.
She's like, Oh my god, that's sogreat.
But he can tell that she'sdistracted.
Well, what's going on?
I'm trying to figure out whokilled Sid.

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I'm looking over the schedulethat day.
Do you remember anybody elseweird coming in?
He's like, No, I can't reallyremember because I had a dentist
appointment.
She's like, Oh, okay.
Well, would Sid have hiredsomeone to come in?
Weird Wayne says, No, wegenerally just sort of pick up
the slack for each other.
If one of us is out, someoneelse just steps in.
She's like, Okay, that makessense.

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Well, maybe it's nothing, but II thought I'd give it a go.
She's not even suspecting himbecause he's he's he's
unassuming until you sit andtalk to him, make eye contact,
then you're like, ooh, he'sgiving me a vibe.
I don't like it.
Anyway, he says, Yeah, so sorry,Karen.
Wish I could help, but like Isaid, I was at the dentist that
day.
She's like, all right, bet.

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So a little later on, babyDaniel makes yet another
appearance with our good sisterLaura, who is now finna be a
restaurant against her will.
She pulls in because her car ismaking a funny sound or
something.
And even Weird Wayne can'tresist charm.
That is the nine-pound 1982phenom Baby Daniel.
He's like, Oh my god, that kidis so cute.

(28:11):
Look at his smile.
Oh my gosh, he has a cute smile.
Laura's like, thank you.
Apparently, it's gas.
Apparently, he's a little toolittle to be smiling, but man,
he's cute.
Weird Wayne decides he's gonnashoot his shot.
This is a woman who just had ababy.
Maybe she's hard up.
Maybe she needs a little Adam'sfamily realness in her life.
She needs a little uh, what'shis name?
Lurch.
Somebody weird and odd.

(28:33):
Maybe she's into it.
So he says, Of course, the kidhas a beautiful smile, so does
his mother.
She goes, Oh, thank you.
Thank you.
You have a great smile too.
He goes, Yeah.
I'm one of those lucky people.
She goes, What do you mean?
Well, I've never had a cavity inmy life.
Matter of fact, I don't evenhave to go to the dentist.
I'm just born with naturallyglowing, beautiful teeth.
I hadn't been to a dentist infive years.

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Can you believe that?
No cavities, no two fusesmissing and whatnot.
I'm good, I'm golden, I'm Gucci.
He's going on and on.
Unbeknownst to him, Karen hascome up the rear.
She hears everything he said,and she's like, Holy crap.
You couldn't have gone to thedentist if you're talking about
you have the best teeth in theworld, you'll need to go to the
dentist.

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Shout out to Baby Daniel forbringing out the worst and the
best of this weirdo.
So now she knows and she doesthe most caring thing she can
do.
She runs over to Mac.
Now they'd had a little bit of atift.
I can't remember if it was rightbefore this or during this.
She's like, yo, I know whokilled Sid.
He's not trying to hear it.
He's like, Karen for crying outloud.
You're not a freaking detective.

(29:35):
Why don't you let the people youpay taxes to, i.e., the police,
the government, won't you letthem do their job?
She goes, Oh, I would, but lasttime y'all tried, you messed up.
So now I'm gonna do it.
I'd like to denote thedistinction between a quote
unquote Karen in 1982 versus aKaren in 2025.
2025, Karen would be like,listen, I pay taxes.

(29:59):
You work for me, sir.
You'll do what I say.
It's hard for me to call.
I mean, she is a Karen, butshe's not a Karen.
I don't know what you wouldcall.
She's a car mother or something,because she's a real one.
She's like, I'm gonna tell youthrough your face that you suck
at your job.
I did a little reading and alittle snooping, and I have
cracked this ish wide open.
Mac is like, I mean, calm down,Inspector Gadget.

(30:21):
You haven't cracked anything.
That dude had an alibi.
Everybody had an alibi becausethat's what the police do.
We do investigations.
She goes, Well, somebody, it wasa lie.
In Mac's defense, just let'splay devil's advocate for here
for a second.
Who's to say that this foolwasn't just lying to impress a
pretty lady?
What if weird Wayne was justtrying to get into Laura's
freshly birthed draws so that hecould, you know, have a little

(30:43):
fun or something?
Maybe he was just trying to spitgame, or maybe he was flattered
because no one talks to himbecause he's creepy and
off-putting.
He could be lying either way.
Karen's like, nah, he wouldn'tlie.
He definitely wouldn't lie.
And if if he was lying, then thedentist was lying.
Max's like, dude, really?
He got a dentist to lie.
So I see where everybody'scoming from, but also, this is

(31:05):
Karen Fairgay.
Max says, Why don't you justfire him?
Just get rid of the guy, thenyou don't have to think about it
anymore.
Sir, you're not listening toher.
That's not what she said.
She goes, No, no, why would I doa fool's thing like that if I
fire him, then I can't watch himevery day, okay?
I want him to be none the wiserthan gonna go to jail.
Plus, I fire Gary, I needsomebody to run the shop.
He can run the shop up until hegoes to jail.

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She's not wrong.
But also, this is where she doesa little bit of a stutter step.
She backtracks.
So she went from like, I knowyou lying.
I can't believe this fool hasnever gone to the dentist.
You killed my whole husband.
To I'm gonna play it as cool asI can until I can't anymore.
So she goes into the shop oneday.
Apparently, he's in the supplywarehouse.

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She's looking for him.
And I don't know why the scorefor this particular scene was so
intense.
It sounded like Jaws or one ofthose slasher films.
She's walking around looking.
Wayne, Wayne, nothing.
It's creepy.
They're shooting her below thewaist, looking up.
So you feel like she's beingfollowed, like she's being
watched.
Then all of a sudden, I'm righthere, Mrs.

(32:11):
Fairgate.
This fool's up on a ladderholding a perfect skull crushing
pipe.
And it was at that moment thatKaren knew she didn't want no
smoke.
Especially with the man whodoesn't blink and doesn't need
to go to the dentist.
He will crush your cranium justlike that.
She's like, oh hey, hey, hey.
Uh I just I just wanted I wantedto talk to you about those

(32:34):
parts.
Those parts I asked you to tofind me.
Oh yeah, everything's set.
He's not as expressive as I am.
Sure, everything's set, Mrs.
Fairgate.
Okay, well, uh just just let meknow what day they're coming and
when the delivery is, and I I'llget the money.
I actually actually I gotta Igotta scrounge up the money, you

(32:55):
know what I mean?
So just let me know when.
I'll be sure to do that, Mrs.
Fairgate.
Creepy, creepy, creepy.
Shout out to her for notbreaking out running.
I don't know.
I girl, sir, soap fiends.
Last time I'm in a room alonewith him again.
Last time ever.

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Speaking of being alone in aroom, but not really.
Remember, I was talking aboutGary eating with the older
gentleman, telling him, youknow, it's cool to be single and
not really be attached at thistime to sort of see what's out
there, see who you are.
Well, Gary apparently foot thebill.
He has enough men, he footedfooted, he paid the bill.
He had enough coin to take careof lunch, and because of that,

(33:39):
he happens to be lingeringaround in this restaurant slash
lounge, and he hears somebody uhbelting out a power ballot, I
believe they're called.
Now, I don't know when my musichistory when it comes to rock
music is minimal at best.
And um he said he hears thisthis young little thing singing,
and she's rather than stutter,step, and insult anyone, I

(34:07):
decided to educate myself.
I thought it was Richard Marks,but it's Journey open arms.
And when I tell you this baby issinging, I didn't want to like
her.
She's talking, you know, atfirst she's just like, I don't
know if it's in the right key,blase, blase.
Hey, hey, hey, hot guy at thebar.
You want to hear me sing?
Sure, I want to hear you sing.

(34:29):
I bet you do, Gary.
I bet you do.
So baby girl starts belting.
And and when I'm like, okay,okay, I know that song.
She is singing for her life.
She's not singing for her lifeat this point.
She's singing really well,though.
He is like, hey, I want tointroduce you to somebody.
So now all of a sudden, he he'sa he's an AR person.
He's for real.
He's uh Timblin', I guess.
He gets so hyped that he goesand he finds Kenny and he says,

(34:51):
Hey Kenny, I found someone.
She's really amazing.
You're gonna want to meet her.
Guess what this girl's name is?
Her name is CGI.
CGI is a rock and roll singerwith a with a sweet mullet,
which we need to discuss at somepoint.
Oh, geez, this is your time toeducate your girl.
If you made it this far in theshow, I'm really glad you're

(35:12):
still here.
Thank you so much for listening.
Listen, I'd love to hear fromyou.
Reach out, holler at your girl.
If you're listening to this onyour mobile device, check the
show notes.
There is a link that says sendus a text.
Drop any information you think Imight enjoy.
I promise you I will.
But specifically today, on thisday, on this episode, I need to

(35:32):
know what a proper early 80smullet is.
I say this because I haven'tseen this.
We are all the way up in 1985, Ibelieve, on Falcon Crest.
I have not run across a mullet,but this baby has one.
She looks totally different.
I'm calling her a baby.
This woman is 20 years olderthan me, plus, probably more.
Anyway, she had a baby on thisshow, so she's a baby to me.

(35:52):
Okay.
I need to know what the propermaintenance of a mullet, because
in my opinion, it is still alittle bit too thick around the
edges.
I can't tell if she has justreally feathered bangs going all
the way to the back of her head,or this is the first mullet on
television.
Actually, strike that.
Y'all remember when Fallon triedto have a mullet, but her hair,
she just she didn't have thethickness.
Her hair couldn't carry it.
They even tried to perm it.

(36:13):
She just couldn't do it.
Anyway, reach out to me in theshow notes, or you can do it the
new old-fashioned way via emailat soaplorepodcast at gmail.com.
That's S O A P L O R E P O D C AS T at Gmail.com.
Holler at your girl, tell meabout the new mullets.
Or old mullets, pardon me.
Okay, back to the business.

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Gary says Kenny, why don't youand Ginger come out with me and
I almost said Val, come out withme and Abby, and uh we can hear
C G I C or Fiji.
No, I'm sorry.
What's that girl's name?
C G.
I'm not gonna remember that.

(36:56):
B C B C D A B C B B D C G.
What the hell is with these?
What was that other girl's name?
She had a dumb name too.
Either way, CGBG, CGI decidesshe's gonna do some singing.
And Gary wants to be, I guesshe's trying to make friends
again.
I didn't realize him and Kennywere even close.
I can't really remember themhaving any other conversations,
not for real, for real.

(37:17):
But uh the invite is sent, andGary's like, please, I'd really
love you guys to come and hearher tonight.
You're gonna love her.
Kenny is like, yeah, gender willtotally go for that.
Okay, oddly enough, baby twonames and baby Daniel never in
the same scene together thisepisode.
I guess this is introducing himand maybe two babies together
are crying, or hell, maybe it'sthe same baby.

(37:38):
I don't know.
Ginger's like, Man, I don't wantthat's I feel weird.
I'm not really trying to do allthat.
Now, Lily May is over there, shehears this.
Kenny says, Hey, Lily Mae, canyou watch Baby Two Names
tonight?
She goes, No, can't do it.
Bye.
Shout out to Lily Mae.
She's got one foot in on thebust to shady pines if she don't

(38:00):
get her life together.
She's like, nah, absolutely not.
I ain't gonna do that so he cango hook up that girl.
Absolutely not.
But Lily Mae is Lily Mae.
She's been ear hustling thiswhole time.
She takes information she hasand she formulates a plan, which
we'll get to here in a moment.
Kenny and Ginger decide they'regonna drop baby two names off
with baby Daniel and them atLaura's house because I mean, I
guess that's the best option.
And they do indeed go to dinnerwith Abby and Gary.

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This is the first time Abby andGary are connecting with anyone
back in the cul-de-sac, and itonly makes sense that it would
be that couple.
There is zero chance that Laurawould break bread with them.
There is zero chance thatRichard would break bread with
them.
It'd be far too awkward.
Karen can't stand her openly.
She is quite hostile to her, toher face.
And you know, Valen ain't finnawatch nobody else's baby, not

(38:46):
anymore.
Last time she did that, whathappened?
You see what happened.
So it's awkward.
I was very proud of Ginger forbeing a girl's girl.
She didn't she didn't act likeshe was excited to be there with
Abby.
She didn't act like she wassuper hating.
She's just like, okay, I'm justhere because I'm also a singer.
But it was very entertaining tome to watch this whole thing.

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So CGI comes out and she's goton the glittery, the golden, the
shimmery, the shiny.
She looks like a verysophisticated can of Cooler's
Light.
Hate on on her outfit if youwill.
Gary and Kenny had the nerve todo that.
They were probably hatingbecause her outfit was tighter
than theirs, and they felt a wayabout it.
They're trying to show off thefamily jewels and whatnot.

(39:28):
She starts singing, and BabyGirl brought her a game.
I had to, I'm not gonna lie, Ilistened to it twice.
I thought, okay, let me golisten to this tongue.
She was singing, baby.
Singing.
CGI is talented.
The best part of this scene islooking at Ginger.

(39:52):
Listen, Ginger was hey to shewas like, she's she's she's
light or whatever.
She's she's right.
She did not like it.
She was looking, she was damnnear scowling, like, oh I I
mean, I guess if you like coversongs.
I'm an original artist, but Imean, okay, okay.

(40:14):
If you like mullets and silverbullets and and covers, she's
she's like, she's cool.
Abby seems genuinelyentertained.
So a waitress comes over.
She says, Mr.
Gary Ewing, there is a phonecall for you.
Now, Gary plays a lot of phonegames this episode.
Before he met CGI, CG the BG,whatever her name is, before he

(40:38):
met her, he decided.
Decided to make a phone callright after the old gentleman's
like, dude, it's what a what atime to be alive and to be
single, Gary.
Gary felt a little bit morenostalgic, I suppose.
Val leans heavy on his mind.
So he goes, he makes a phonecall, and it's Lily Mae who
picks up.
Lily Mae don't hang up, it'sGary.
All right.
I really need to talk to Bal.

(40:59):
She's be here for click.
That worked out.
So he goes to the house.
I gotta rewind a little bit.
Let's let's put it, let's put apen on, let's put a pin on the
CGI, BG's, whatever her name is,Gary and his multiple phone
calls and the hustler that isLily May.
After Valen cursed Joe out andtold him to get out of her house
after Valen told Gary to stopplaying on her freaking phone,

(41:22):
she still has to face the music.
Even though Joe wasn't a hundredpercent correct and, like, girl,
you need to face your neighbor,she ain't really trying to do
that.
She does need to make these PRrounds today.
That means she needs to havelunch with a woman who is the
Miranda Priestley of bookpublishing.
She is the devil wears Kmartversus Prada, but don't you ever

(41:45):
turn your nose up at a sensiblydressed woman?
JC Penny catalogs finest.
She shows up to talk to her.
So Joe is the publisher,whatever.
He's representing Val.
There is a wonderful woman whois, I guess, the PR lady.
I'm not really sure.
She's super happy.
She is trying to brusheverything over.

(42:05):
She's trying to hype up Val.
And she knows that this theDevil Wears Prada lady is kind
of intense.
So she's there to smooth thingsover.
Devil Wars Prada ain't got timefor that.
As Joe and PR lady are hyping upVal, and Val is answering
everything really sweetly.
Miranda Priestley says, Cut thecrap.
This book is about the Ewings,right?
J.R.
Ewings, your brother-in-law.

(42:26):
He's a scoundrel, right?
Can you tell me about any of hisdeals?
Oh, here go Val Amy.
He is my brother-in-law, butthis is a story I made up.
This is from my imagination.
But didn't your sister-in-lawhave a problem?
Didn't they almost not be ableto adopt a baby?
Which, by the way, guys, is alittle bit of a crossover.
So I just finished the Dallasepisode where Kristen had died,

(42:49):
and I started the other onewhere Bobby and Pam started
talking about adopting a kid,right?
And they go to the agency, and Iguess there's a shortage on
babies.
That's as far as I got.
Now, let this woman tell it.
Pam and uh Bobby are gonna havean issue with this book.
Valen is about to drop, andapparently it's costing them
adopting a baby.

(43:11):
I don't really find that to be aspoiler because we don't really
know how that's gonna turn out,but it's interesting that it's
getting it's inching closer andcloser to them being at the same
place at the same time.
And that would be Dallas seasonfive, episode four, is where I'm
at.
Well, Valen, about this point,like she's like, oh crap.
That second question reallykicked her in the gut.
Miranda Priestley, the devilwears Kmart, is not playing with

(43:32):
her.
She don't care, she keeps herfoot on her neck.
Valen, as a matter of fact,isn't that the reason you don't
have a husband anymore?
And your husband's so disgustedthat you wrote this book that he
left you in that the wholething.
Now, Valen has already told Joethat she can't even go to the
grocery store without seeing hername or the Ewing's name or
something splashed on thetabloid.
She is Britney Spears circa 19or 2003.

(43:56):
It is the Paris Hilton of itall, the Lindsay Lohan.
Y'all remember that?
It is that era.
It is brutal for her, which iswhy she wants to stay in the
house and run away with firstthing smoking.
So this lunch went exactly theway she didn't want it to go.
And she looks at Joe briefly,and it is the whole thing is

(44:17):
like, I know you lying.
You just threw me to the youknow this is you threw me to the
wolves.
This is exact, this is exactlywhy I don't want to come out the
house.
This right here.
So this book is becoming an evenbigger nightmare, coupled with
the fact that yes, her marriageis over, coupled with the fact
that uh the kids who she loves,their baby mother, their mother

(44:39):
is the one who snatched up herhusband.
He let's not say that.
I'm gonna stop saying that.
Abby didn't snatch him up, heallowed himself to be snatched
up.
Caught up in the rapture, if youwill.
She's having a rough day, baby.
So she decides, let me go homeand perform the sacred ritual of
all the heavy laden women whoare burdened and just done for

(45:01):
the day.
You've done all you can do.
The only thing you can do is sitin the bathtub and soak your
troubles away.
Well, she goes home to do that,only to have Joe giving very
much little brother energy anderupt her sacred bath time.
Sir, she is doing somethingbubbly.
It ain't bright, she ain't evengot no music, she don't have no
champagne, she's just sitting inlukewarm water with 800 bubbles,

(45:25):
just chilling, sitting in a darkroom by herself, oh, just
letting it trying to let theworld roll off her back.
Joe comes in to be supportive.
Like I said, there's tons ofbubbles, but also that's not
your sister.
What the heck are you doing,Joe?
He don't care.
He's like, hey girl, hey, hey,hey, hey, you did great.

(45:46):
Listen, it's gonna be some ishsometimes.
You can't keep hiding, Val.
I know you want to run and hide.
You gotta grow some things, mybaby.
You got I'm paraphrasing here.
You gotta step up, you gotta,you gotta do something about
this.
And also, you're being a littlebit selfish.
Like you're not the only personwho's writing on this book.
Val says, but Joe, you see howcrazy this has gone, right?

(46:09):
You see how wild this is.
This is not what I signed upfor.
You don't know who I'm messingwith here.
He says, Okay, cool, I get that,but the moment you sign that
contract, you threw it out inthe world, whatever's gonna
happen is gonna happen.
The only thing you can do iscontrol you.
That's all you can do from hereon out.
Not to mention, this is my firsttime as a publisher, so please

(46:29):
don't embarrass me.
Not in the middle of my bubblebath, sir.
Back to CGI, Kenny, Gary, Abby,and the restaurant concert.
So as CG, see CG is singing herlittle heart out.
Waitress comes over, Mr.
U and you have a phone call.
Gary goes and takes the phonecall, is Lily Mae.

(46:51):
Oh my god, Gary, I didn't knowwho else to call.
He's like, How you know where Iwas at?
Don't worry about that.
I'm stuck, speaking of where I'mat.
I'm stuck in this at the mall.
I oh my god, my car won't start.
Gary, I know who else to call,please.
I mean, technically that's stillher son-in-law, so he's like,
All right, that I'll come getyou.
So he goes over to the table andhe says, folks, I gotta go.

(47:12):
Abby says, Where are you going?
Uh that was Lily Mae.
Lily May?
Yeah, she's stuck.
I gotta go get her.
She goes, Oh, that's cute.
Abby is not gonna sit around andwait for this man.
She decides, you know what?
You're out, I'm out.
I'm not sitting around waitingfor you, deal with it.
Also, I need to make a quickcorrection.

(47:33):
I just went back, I mixed it up.
So Val has a little interviewwith this lady.
This lady is it's an interview,I guess.
She talks to her, doesn't go sowell.
The next day, I suppose, thepublicist comes over with a
photographer.
They're doing all these photosin Val's house, making her look
over her shoulder and stuff.
It just doesn't really fit thevibe of the book, honestly.

(47:54):
And it's not her personality.
That's when she freaks out andeventually goes to the bathtub.
When Gary had stopped by thehouse unannounced, and Lily May
let him in.
She looked at Val looked at LilyMay, and not so many words that
you let somebody else in myhouse who I said can't be here.
You're gonna have to get outtoo.
Shady Pines, Shady Pines, youbetter get your life together.

(48:18):
So back to Gary's gone to gopick up Lily May.
Lily May is giddy, knowing thatshe removed him from the
restaurant where he was having alovely dinner with his new boo.
She got to stick it to him, youknow what I'm saying?
And she didn't babysit baby twonames.
So she calls Valen and she'slike, Valen, oh hi.
Something awful has happened.
Most cheerful, something awfulhas happened I've ever heard in

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my life.
She gives Valen the same songand dance.
So we get to see Valen rushingto her mother's aid, fourth
floor of a parking garage, whichis very sketchy.
Lily May is in the big old longBrady Bunch.
What is that?
A station wagon?
As Valen rounds the corner, shesees Gary dirtbag youing.

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She quickly hops in the car.
Lily Mae, that is, and says,Valen, you'll thank me for this,
and peels out.
She really isn't listening.
Okay, bet.
I gotta make a phone call afterthis.
Gary, now that I'm trappedunderground, what do you want?
Ladies and gentlemen, boys andgirls, soap fiends of all ages.
If you and I were having aconversation and you're like,

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Jack, I'll give you four hours,many guesses as you need.
Guess what Gary wants to talk toVal about?
I promise you, I I would havenever, I would have never, ever
guessed this.
Gary starts off by saying, Yourmother's right, we need to talk.
Val says there's nothing to talkabout.

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We can't let our lives togethergo on without ever talking to
each other.
She's like, but you didn't havenothing to say to me when you
was running out with Abby.
You that's when we should havebeen talking.
So now we don't have nothing totalk about.
I need to tell you I'm sorry.
Now I I fully expected him tosay he's sorry.
Guilt.
This this listen, scumbag ornot, do I think he enjoys

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hurting people?
No.
They ask each other how they'vebeen.
She's not she's being verystrong.
I'm proud of her for trying.
You can tell this is this is astruggle, but she's got enough
righteous indignation, if youwill, that she's able to say
what she needs to say, but she'salso not looking at him as much
as she can.
I'm so pissed at Louis.

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Here's where it gets weird.
Have you been?
How you've been?
She told I don't need nothingfrom you.
I really I thought, okay, I'msorry.
I'm sorry this happened the wayit did.
I hope we can be friends.
Or hey, do you think you cansell me back the house?
I'm really not ready to be outof the neighborhood.
I don't know.
Do you mind calling my mom?
Something like that.

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This mother lover says, I missyou.
Now that's the I was saying,wait, what?
Didn't cross my mind.
I miss you.
She's like, well, you got Abby.
But I still miss you.
Gary, are you are you high rightnow?
What are you saying?

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Okay.
Bear with me, ladies andgentlemen.
Emotion.
Listen, I'm gonna let it out.
It's gonna be what it is.
He says, I still miss you, andI'm sorry that you're so angry.
I am sorry that you're so angry.

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The level of just not the level,the lack of emotional
intelligence in this momentreally pisses me off.
You don't apologize for heremotion.
You can apologize for her pain.
I'm sorry that you were in suchpain.
I'm sorry that I hurt you theway I did.

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Don't you ever apologize for mefeeling the way I feel over some
ish you did to me.
I'm sorry you feel so angry.
Now, Val, I okay, I didn'texpect her to roll over.
I really didn't.
And I'm really glad she's like,oh, okay, so you thought you
could just do whatever you wantand that I was gonna come back

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and I was gonna smile and bearit like the Vidalia Onion Queen.
I'm gonna just be chipper andcool with it.
Hell no, Gary.
It's a brand new day.
Absolutely not, Gary.
She's like, you really youreally do think that you you can
do whatever you want, and I'mjust I'm supposed to receive it
with a smile on my face.
He's like, no, no, I don't blameyou for being angry.
I know that.

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I don't blame you.
She said, then don't try to takeit from me.
I'm I love that sentence so muchbecause I think a lot of times
all people are different.
It is my personal policy that ifyou and I are close and I do
something to upset you, I do nothave a say in how you react from
that point on.

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Choice could have been made whenI did the thing, if I did it
knowingly.
It's one thing to be like, I hadno idea that was a thing.
And even then, you get to feelhow you feel.
I do not have the right to tellyou how to feel about something
that happened to you.
And I don't think she's draggingit out.
I hate when people just try tomove through things like they
didn't happen.
I understand you can't dwell,but anything you don't actually

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work through is gonna repeatitself.
She can be mad, she needs to bemad.
How long has she not been mad?
How long has she waited?
How long has she and notperfectly, might I add?
Not perfectly.
Did she try her best to be whathe needed, even if it was the
wrong thing, even if she wasneglecting herself, even though
she was lying to herself?
She can be mad.
She's probably just as mad atherself as she is at him.

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But what you're not gonna do andbe like, hey, let me bombard you
every time I get a chancebecause I'm feeling guilty.
Work through your own emotions,Gary Ewing.
Work through your own crap.
Don't bring it back to her.
I miss you.
And she values her anger becauseit's it's something.
She gets to feel something.
She tells me it's all I got tohold on to, and I'm not giving
it up, mother lover.

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I'm mad, I'm mad, I'm mad.
She did go back to thatridiculous ponytail in her hair.
Regardless of that.
Quick side note as I continue tocorrect myself.
I only watched it once all theway through.
Then I kind of went back to peekat a couple things.
Lily May's not driving a stationwagon.
This mother lover says the mostridiculous thing I've ever heard
in my life, and I would not haveyou couldn't have paid me to

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think he was gonna say this.
He says he wants to work thisout.
He wants to work this out.
Are you serious?
Oh geez, please, please, please,please tell me if you can
remember the first time you seethis.

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Did you expect that?
Nothing in his behavior up untilthis point leads me to believe
you even gave a damn, really.
It was probably inconvenient.
You know what it is?
I feel like it was inconvenientbecause Val was not a bad wife.
Maybe she was a littlesmothering, maybe she was a
little too intense because sheknew him.
I think Gary can't stand thefact that Val has seen him at

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his very, very, very worst andstill thinks the best of him.
And maybe that's too muchpressure for him, which this is
a grown man, so we're only gonnacut him the sliverest of slack.
Now you got me in this damnbasement talking about I want to
work this thing out.
And when she is as as shocked asthe natural as she could be, he
has a nerve to get defensive.
Again, total and complete lackof emotional intelligence.

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Fine acting, but total andcomplete lack of emotional
intelligence.
This is also the loosest pair ofpants I've seen him wear ever.
I want to try to work thingsout.
He's like, you know, baby, allwe've been through.
Valen, Abby, and I, she waslike, Don't you don't finish
saying nothing else to me.
I don't want to hear nothingabout you and your little girl.

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But she's still a girl's girlbecause she says, you know what?
Don't you dare humiliate usboth.
You want me to take you in soyou can do this again?
You want me to do this again?
You know what he says?
Val, if you walk out now, youwalk out on everything we've
been through.
Let's go back to Abby at thebeginning.
She already told him, You don'tknow what you want.
Boy, you already in this.

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You don't get to be like, Oh,I'm not ready.
You are already in it.
Now you're gaslighting thisother woman by saying, Girl, if
you give up on me now, you'regiving up on everything we've
been through.
You didn't care what we wentthrough.
I am so upset with this fool.
I cannot believe the audacity.
Everything we've been through isgone.
If you walk away now, if I walkaway.

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So so basically, basically,you're going to Disneyland with
your little family, you'resleeping at your new woman's
house.
She bought you a wholeapartment.
Yeah.
You're having a real good timesneaking, calling me while she's
washing her hair.
She's away trying to provide fory'all's family now.
But but now, if I don't take youback, I am throwing everything

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away.
I am disrespecting the work thatyou've been through.
Are you serious?
Do you get off on this, Gary?
Oh my god.
Despite my tone, like this is soshocking.
I can't even be mad, really.
I'm I'm actually I'm far toocurious now about your state of

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mind to even be mad.
Because you you must you've gotto be out your rabbit mind.
You have to be.
To come out here with a straightface, a loose fitting jacket,
and lose maybe that's why he cantalk now.
His pants and stuff is looseenough.
Sir, if you walk away now,you're throwing away everything.
I know I'm not perfect, but itit takes what did he say?

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It takes it takes two people.
What the hell did he say?
You can't give up.
Oh my god, you can't give up onus.
Oh my girl, my girl, hold ittogether, Val.
Hold it, hold it.
He ain't even crying.
Oh, hold it, girl.
Hold it.
Oh my god, I'm so proud of her.
Oh my god, I'm so proud of her.

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I needed to see that again.
Oh my gosh.
Sorry.
I'm not sorry.
You know, if you know who I amat this point.
If you if he doesn't want oh mygod, this is so unfair.
Hear me out.
Maybe it's her love that hewants, not necessarily her.
Maybe it's Abby's admiration,maybe it's her passion, it's her

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lust, it's the way that theylook at him.
Abby's the passion, Val is thesteadfastness.
It's she's that.
And it's like if you lose that,you've always had this woman
cheering for you, pining foryou.
Need to be the hero with nowork.
You lazy.
Because if you walk away now,you're walking out on everything

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we ever had together.
Damn it, I know what I've done,but it's never all just one
person.
You know what, sir?
Sure.
Maybe it's not all one personthe first time.
Maybe it's not all one personthe second time.
Maybe it's not all one personthe third time.
You on your own homeboy afterthis.
Because what you what are youdoing now?
I'm glad he's doing this withAbby because I already know

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she's not the one.
If Valen the Vidalia Onion Queencould find a rent spine for a
couple minutes to let thismother lover know you ain't that
fine.
I'm not that interested.
I'm writing a whole book.
And as soon as I get thispublishing money, I'm divorcing
you and I'm sending yourmother-in-law to Shady Pines.
Or you know what?
I'm sending her to y'all'shouse.
Actually, y'all can bescandalous together.

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Lord have mercy.
Anyway, y'all, my girl.
She was stiff-lipped.
She went, oh Val.
God, this hurts to watch itagain.
Oh.
She was stiff-lipped, strongspine.
Told him goodbye, Gary.
She turns.
I'm so glad she didn't sayanything else after that.
Goodbye, Gary.
She starts to walk off.

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Oh, baby.
She gets about 10 feet.
She starts to feel weak.
She turns and she just sort ofwhispers, Gary.
Oh, thank God she didn't screamit.
Thank God she didn't scream it.
Oh, oh my gosh.
I'm so proud of her.
But also, okay, for real, forreal, somebody's got to move.
This is not gonna work.
I don't want to tell anybody'sbusiness.

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But I have a friend we were justtalking yesterday, and he works
at this library.
Now, apparently, I don't need togo into all the detail, but
luckily he's been able totransfer because he and this
lady have this really beautifulrelationship, or so we thought.
Didn't quite work out, kind ofstrings him along, if I'm just

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being quite honest.
Not gonna name names, I have alot of friends.
But one of the things he's Saidjust yesterday was that um every
time he goes to work and theyhave to sort of interact, and
they have these meetings, andthey have whatever.
It's like he can get away fromher for a week and then seeing
her again, it just it reopens.
Like you can't ever heal, it'sjust ripping the band-aid off

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over and over and over and over,and you just really need that
time to heal.
I see this the same way.
You can't look, you can't avoideach other if you live on a
cul-de-sac.
They're not related, but there'syou know, she's Abby is related
to Karen, her kids, you knowwhat I'm saying?
It's it's a complicatedrelationship, and I'm not saying

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the move is gonna healeverything, but they cannot be
this close into to vicinity,especially with her being able
to turn around and whisper hisname there.
She loves that man, she stillloves that man.
It's easier to be angry rightnow, and she needs to be angry
right now, but she loves him,and dare I say it, I think Abby
does, unless Abby's a phenomenalactress and she is setting him

(01:01:42):
up, which I kind of hope she is.
Lord, this is good.
This is so good so far.
Part of me feels like though, Idon't I don't know if he's going
to chase her, but part of mefeels like the wrath that Abby
would have would be enacted onValen and not him.

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And I don't think that's fair.
I I'm more nervous about whatAbby would do to sabotage Valen
because she's already doing itin order to get this man, which
is a whole nother topic.
We might have to wait foranother episode, but how pissed
off would you be if you had topursue this man?
You quote unquote snatched himfrom his wife because you
thought he was so fabulous, orjust a good lay, let's be

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honest.
Now you got to live with him andyou see that he is fully
dragging his feet.
He fully sleeps in your bed or abed you bought every single
night.
He breaks bread with yourchildren.
You are still trying to supporthim.
You put a lot of yourex-husband's money into this
pipe dream for gasoline.
And what do you have?
You have a very unstable person.

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Good episode, y'all.
Great episode.
I guess we'll just see whathappens.
But yeah, this was a very much aI know you lying.
I know you didn't just buy norestaurant.
I know you didn't just tell meyou have the world's most
perfect teeth and kill myhusband.
I know you didn't just trap mein a garage and tell me you miss
me, you love me, and that if Iwalk away from this now, I'm

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basically ruining everything.
I know you lying.
Wow.
I think that's it.
That's all for this episode.
I hope you join me next time aswe jump back into some vintage
primetime soap opera.
We gotta see if PastorPantydroppers is going to figure
out that he is one of the heirsto Falcon Crest.
Figure out what's going on withthe adoption in Dallas.

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See if we can find Falon onDynasty.
And what the hell's gonna happenon Knott's Landing?
My oh my.
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