July 30, 2024 • 27 mins
Could a mysterious figure at Trump rallies really be JFK Jr. in disguise? Join us as we explore the wild and intriguing conspiracy theory surrounding Vincent Fusca, a man many believe to be the late John F. Kennedy Jr. Our deep dive kicks off with a look into Fusca's obscure background, the circumstances around his supposed death in Pennsylvania, and the sparse information available about him today. We discuss the skepticism and myriad opinions that arise when considering such an elaborate deception.
In our spirited debate, we examine the striking physical resemblances between Fusca and JFK Jr., pondering whether changes in appearance from aging, plastic surgery, or hair dye could explain the similarities. We also delve into the motivations that may have driven JFK Jr. to fake his death, such as political connections to Donald Trump and the feasibility of remaining hidden for over two decades. The conversation uncovers a broad range of perspectives on the plausibility of this theory and the potential implications of such a high-profile cover-up.
Finally, we dissect the role of social media in propagating the Vincent Fusca conspiracy and why some people are drawn to believe in it despite its absurdity. We discuss the possible involvement of the so-called deep state and the connections to Trump's campaign that add layers of intrigue to the theory. As we wrap up, we reflect on the factors that lend credibility to this outlandish idea in the eyes of its believers, leaving you with much to ponder about this modern-day enigma.
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Speaker 2 (00:12):
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Anyway, we're here with anepisode about Vincent Fusca.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
Get ready.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
This guy is awesome, awesome, awesome.
Okay, how the hell do you haveno background story and become
so popular?
Speaker 3 (01:16):
I don't know, but it's absolutely insane.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
He's JFK Jr.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
He is.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Yes, he is, he definitely is Jr.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
No, no way, he he is he definitely is JFK Jr.
No, no way.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
He most certainly is.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
Absolutely not.
You know, I really I'll listento all the conspiracies, Some of
them I'm into.
This is a this is John.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
John all grown up?
No, yes, it is.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
It doesn't even look like him.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
It looks a lot like him.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
He was like the sexiest man of the year and
that's what he grew up to be.
I don't think so.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
Hey, a lot of guys peak early.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Maybe that's why he faked his death.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
Because he peaked early, so he decided to fake his
death.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
Maybe he knew he was going to be ugly, so he came
back as this Vincent Fusca guywho, by the way, is fake.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
You think his whole idea is fake.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
I think he stole Vincent Fusca's real identity
after Vincent Fusca died.
Uh, I don't know.
It's kind of like Yves Venturawith Ray Finkel.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
I'm serious.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
Alright, well, do you want to explain to our audience
what we're even talking about?
Finkel is.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Einhorn.
Einhorn is Finkel.
Vincent Fusca is a personalitythat continuously shows up to
the Trump rallies.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
Right.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
And nobody knows who he is.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
But where did it come from?
Speaker 2 (02:35):
Well, it came from a popular publicity company that
made up this character.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
I don't think so.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
It's funny that he's become friends with Donald Trump
.
He gives no interviews, hedoesn't talk to anybody and it's
really hard to find anyinformation on him.
Everything that they do find isvery superficial.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
Right, but he ran for the Senate.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
He ran.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
And if he in reality is not actually Vincent Fusco.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
He's not Vincent Fusco, he's JFK Jr.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
Then he's not even eligible.
He would be committing fraud byputting his name into the
Senate as Vincent Fusca.
You can't do that.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
You can't fraud.
I'm saying he took a name ofsomebody that died and started
this.
A man by the name of VincentFusca died in.
Pennsylvania Right Right aroundthe area where he claims to be
from.
He said he went to theUniversity of Pennsylvania.
He said he went to theUniversity of Pennsylvania.
He said he's from Pittsburgh.
Everything lines up with this.
And then the one time Trumpattempted to be assassinated,
(03:30):
he's standing directly behindhim, for when he ducks.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Right, okay.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
And if you want to go as far as getting to Karen
Lippa's set, we can, but wewon't.
She was also in the crowd.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
So when we first heard about this, I also thought
it was one of the craziestthings I've ever heard.
Why there are so many things.
First of all, why would JFK Jrhave faked his death and stayed
in hiding for what?
25-ish years almost?
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Maybe they really needed him alive.
For 20 years doing nothing Lookthe Kennedys have a history of
being killed.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
Or at least killing people.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
But everybody knew they were killed and none of
them have come back so far.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
They claim there's theories on that.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
The theory came from a very far right conspiracy
organization.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
I guess you could say he died well before QAnon ever
existed.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
Exactly he did.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
But now they believe it's him.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
They're the only people that believe it's him.
Is that one group?
Very few people are believingthis conspiracy.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
Well then you've got to think about how strong that
group is if they're putting thisout there like that.
It's out there because there'sprobably some truth to it.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
You have to look for it.
It honestly makes no sense.
They found their bodies, theyfound the plane, they found the
bodies, everything.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
They found bodies.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
They did.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
If you died in a plane crash would you be in one
peaceful intactment.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
It depends.
It depends on the situation.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
If your plane crashed to the ground, would you expect
to be completely whole whenextracted from the wreckage.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
I guess probably not, but you never know.
I think certain people havesurvived plane crashes, so I'm
not sure that we can actuallymake that determination.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
I agree, some people have survived plane crashes.
Right, most people have died.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
They know exactly what happened to this plane,
right, they tracked it the wholetime.
They know where it nosedived.
They know why it nosedived.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
Do they?
Speaker 3 (05:24):
Yes, okay, off goes to Martha's Vineyard.
I know where they claim ithappened.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
Yes, it was right here in our neck of the woods.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
It was.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
And when it happened, I believed it.
I thought it was going tohappen, I thought it was real.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
I didn't think anything of it Now that this
apparently came out.
It was the president and theywere stating that he was going
to show up and be announced asTrump's VP.
He did not show up or beannounced at any of those things
, nor through the entirepregnancy.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
Pregnancy.
Where are you going?
Speaker 3 (06:00):
Residency.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
Men can't get pregnant, you know.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
That's a whole different topic.
He was waiting for this entirething for 20 years and then the
opportunity he had for what theysay is the reason he was
waiting to make Trump presidentis possible and happening, and
he still stayed in hiding foryet another four years.
Why?
Speaker 2 (06:20):
I don't know, that doesn't make any sense Makes.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
no sense, at what point is he going to announce
himself to be him?
Speaker 2 (06:27):
To be who JFK Jr?
Yes, he won't.
Jfk Jr is dead.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
So they're going to keep that.
Everybody's just assuming thatthat's who that is Vincent Fusca
.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
Look man on the moon.
Andy Kaufman played thegreatest trick I've ever seen.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
You could not tell if his alter ego known as Tony
Clifton was real or fake.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
That was like as a joke, almost as a joke, right
People don't fake deaths as ajoke.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
For 20-something years, have you ever heard of
Machiavelli.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
How about Tupac, although I do think Tupac is
actually dead?
Speaker 3 (06:56):
I was going to say you think Tupac faked his death
as well.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
It's just funny that he always spoke of Machiavelli
and then he died.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
But Machiavelli actually faked his own death.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
I'm not saying people don't fake their own deaths.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
There are plenty of people that do.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
Exactly.
But I don't see any benefit toJFK Jr faking his death and
staying in hiding until now andthen coming out as this weird.
Italian guy.
He's from Italy.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
It hasn't benefited anything yet, but it might.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
When.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
And that's why they made him fake his death.
That's why everybody told youhe was dead.
That way he can come back, notbe a Kennedy and still live full
.
This is genius.
This is after a fakeassassination attempt.
Now all this is going on.
Well, it was going on beforethis.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
It was going on well before this, but this is going
on Well.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
It was going on before this, it was going on
well before this, but this isthe whole story.
This is what's going on, thisis the ploy and this is the
story, and this is basicallywhere I think American politics
are at right now.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
Listen, I agree the politics thing is crazy, but
this guy was actually born inItaly and moved to the US as a
child.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
By the way, Joe Biden is stepping down.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
Yeah, what's that?
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Ironic.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
Not ironic.
I expected that to be ironic.
You don't see all these thingsadding up.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
I mean, I guess, all of a sudden, vincent Fusca is
coming out of nowhere, donaldTrump has attempted to be
assassinated and Biden stepsdown.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
What in the is going on here.
He's stepping out of the race.
He's not stepping down aspresident, you should point that
out.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
Well, yes, he's not seeking re-election, correct?
He can't anyway.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
Unfortunately, this whole JFK-Vincent Fusca thing
came out well before any of thatstarted.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
You got to start a story somewhere.
You can't just start in themiddle of stuff.
You started well before, so youcan build it up.
That's what the story does.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
I think it is the most insane conspiracy.
I think the guy looks nothinglike JFK Jr.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
How would you know what JFK looks like 25 years
later?
I?
Speaker 3 (08:51):
don't think it's that Italian guy.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
They hit him, they sat him on a couch for 25 years
and fed him bonbons.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
He just sat in silence and secrecy.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
What town in Italy was Fusca born in?
I don't know Silence andsecrecy.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
What?
Speaker 2 (09:02):
town in Italy was Fusca, born in.
I don't know, that's right, youcan't find it?
Speaker 3 (09:05):
They're also saying he's like 20 years younger than
JFK would have been.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Of course Look, without getting into details.
Does he look 45?
Does he look 46?
No, not really.
How old does he look 61?
Speaker 3 (09:19):
Does he look 61?
He does.
I agree with that.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
Okay, he looks 61 years old, and how old would JFK
be right now?
Speaker 3 (09:24):
Around 60, 61.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
He'd be 61 years old.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
Not tonight.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
He does not look 46 years old.
I'm sorry, I don't think theyeven have it's JFK I don't think
they have the same facialfeatures.
It's Jon Jon dude.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
Wait.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
I don't have the same facial features I had when I
was 21.
Do you 20 years ago?
I don't have the same facialfeatures.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
Do you actually think that he looks similar enough to
JFK Jr?
Speaker 2 (09:46):
Absolutely Really, oh yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
Because the group.
I don't know if we're sayingthe name of that group.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
You ever notice the forehead, why does?
He think I wear the fedora allthe time To hide the forehead.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
They actually said that he would have had to have
plastic surgery.
That was one of the reasoningshe doesn't look like JFK.
That was one of the reasoningshe doesn't look like JFK,
because they even know hedoesn't look like JFK.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
How do you know he didn't have plastic surgery?
Speaker 3 (10:05):
They're saying that he had to have plastic surgery.
That's the group that createdthis whole conspiracy theory has
said that he had to haveplastic surgery to change his
appearance for his safety.
I don't buy any of it.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
I think this is absolutely insane.
You could sit in a hotel room,smoke pack upon pack of
cigarettes a day, eat bonbonsand change your appearance.
You would not look like thepeople that remember you looking
25 years prior.
I don't look like I did.
I don't look like now what Ilooked like 25 years ago.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
But that doesn't change actual prominent features
that you have.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
But if I died, 25 years ago and I came back right
now, you'd say it wasn't me,because I don't look the same I
don't know.
I'm just saying you would.
I don't see any benefit to it,every single person, every
single person, is rememberingJFK Jr, the way he looked then.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
You haven't seen him since.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
But you can do side-by-sides and look at facial
features and see that theydon't have those.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
If you put Fusca's face over JFK's face, they line
up.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
I don't think so.
They do no.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
In a weird way and it does look like Fusca may have
had plastic surgery.
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
Why is?
Speaker 2 (11:13):
his hair so black too .
It's so crazy.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
He's 61 years old, true, but that's.
People dye their hair.
That means nothing to me.
That's not a definitive yes orno, but actual facial features.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
It would say that you're trying to change your
appearance.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
Well, people do that for a lot of reasons.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
It wouldn't help your explanation that you're not
trying to change your appearance.
You change your hair color, soyou cannot.
If you did that, how far didyou go to get to where you are?
How many other things did youchange?
We could tell you you did yourhair.
We don't know if you did yourface, but you did your hair.
So you can't say that youdidn't do your face, because
you're obviously trying tochange your appearance it makes.
(12:06):
What doesn't make sense is thefact that you're arguing that
it's not JFK Jr.
What's the benefit?
He's now running for office.
He's supporting Donald Trump.
Donald Trump originally saidmany, many, many years ago that
if he ever ran for president, hewould run as a Democrat.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
Right.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
Because they were stupid.
That's what he said.
Okay, those are basically hisexact words.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
Maybe summarized a bit.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
Okay so, and they always asked him to run.
They asked him to run, theyasked him and he said no, no, no
, no.
Then, all of a sudden, he'slike because of Barack, he ended
up running.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
And he won, and good for him.
Who else would you rather haveon your side with all the
connections than a Kennedy?
Speaker 3 (12:41):
But he's not really a Kennedy anymore because he's
been in hiding and has noconnection to the family at this
point, correct, there's no waythat they kept him in hiding for
20 years and he's still actinglike a Kennedy.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
What is arguably the biggest conspiracy of all time.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
I don't know what.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
JFK's assassination.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
Oh, okay, is that?
Speaker 2 (12:57):
correct.
You don't think this familyknows how to navigate their way
through a conspiracy.
They are.
They are the.
They are the architects of thegreatest one, or at least one of
the greatest ones of all time Idon't think how many shooters
were there?
Speaker 3 (13:11):
I don't know exactly.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
No one does, no one will ever know, so why wouldn't
it be jfk I?
Speaker 3 (13:16):
really don't see any benefit to it and I don't see
how anybody in that prominent ofa family.
Yes, do they have ways to coverthings up?
Sure, but how do you stayhidden for 20-something years?
And again, if he were comingout to help Trump get elected,
why didn't he show up four yearsago?
Speaker 2 (13:31):
Because they, the deep state, have a different
timeline and plan for all ofthis.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
Like when's he going to appear?
10 years from now, they'llannounce who he really is.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
Oh, he may never appear as JFK Jr again.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
But this person doesn't have that big of an
influence.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
He's still a Kennedy.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
He's just a person showing up that people notice
now, but he's still a.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
Kennedy, which would give him all the pull and
influence he needs.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
I don't think so, not if nobody knows he's a Kennedy.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
The people that need to know he's a Kennedy.
No, Everybody else discusseswhether he is or isn't.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
Wasn't Kennedy a Democrat?
Speaker 2 (14:07):
He was.
But did you ever read stuff onJFK?
Not a lot.
His policies were conservativeOkay, he was more of a
Republican than a Democrat.
Okay, back then Republicans andDemocrats were basically more
alike than they are nowRepublicans and.
Democrats were basically morealike than they are now, but his
policies sided towards what nowwould be considered the
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Republican side.
He was more of a conservativeDemocrat where Republicans would
have gotten behind him, andthat's probably why he was
assassinated.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
Right.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
Where I think the same goes for Trump.
To be honest, he was tempted tobe assassinated because his
policies aren't in line withwhat other people want to do.
Right, and maybe that's why JFKJr is alive and is running with
Donald Trump and had to seewhich way the first four years
went and how he did to see if arerun, another campaign
(14:56):
nomination went to stand behindhim, and now Fusca's coming out.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
But he's not running with Donald Trump.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
He's not, but he's all over.
He's all over Donald Trump'sand he's right behind him.
He's videoing the entire thing.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
I agree, but I think part of it is that he's just a
big Trump supporter and now herealizes that he's getting this
attention, so he's kind of fitinto it.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
Then where is he from ?
Speaker 3 (15:20):
Pennsylvania.
How did he grow up Italy?
Speaker 2 (15:22):
That's all I know.
It's all anybody knows.
That's the point.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
No, I did see some.
They went to college somewhere.
I mean there was.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
He grew up in the US.
He went to the University ofPennsylvania and they claimed he
was in a fraternity.
He was in a Hold on Phi KappaTheta Okay.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
I agree it's a little weird that you can't find a ton
of info on him.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
You would think a guy running for office because he
doesn't exist.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
Yeah, but then he can't run for office.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
If you're a Kennedy, you have the pull and the
influence to pull this off.
That's the point.
That's why it's definitely JohnJohn.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
No way 100%.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
I don't think it at all 100%.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
Yeah, I would love to hear what other people say,
because I can't even begin tobelieve this is a real thing.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
It is.
And then now this is crazy, andI'm not sure if this is true or
not.
This is even a little farbeyond me, but there's a woman
in the crowd, two seats over andone row in front of Vincent
Fusca, that they claim has theexact facial features of Carolyn
Bessette.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
Was there a third person on the plane?
Who was the third person?
Speaker 2 (16:22):
Carolyn's sister.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
Oh, where is she?
Did she just die?
Speaker 2 (16:25):
Well, she's not really necessary in this.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
Is she alive too somewhere?
Speaker 2 (16:30):
Then again, this would be the puzzle piece which
is like is he alive?
Is he not alive?
Did he fake his own death?
Did he not fake his own death?
Because where is Her name,wasn't Jacqueline?
Jacqueline was Kennedy's mom.
Yeah, Her name was Carolyn andit began with a J.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
I don't remember.
I forget her name, but thosewere the three on the plane.
If those two are alive, where'sthe third?
She must be somewhere too right, or did they kill her?
Speaker 2 (16:58):
She's probably the publicity coordinator.
Vincent Fusca has a ton ofpublicity but he doesn't do any
interviews.
He doesn't deal with the mediaat all, but yet he's everywhere
he won't answer questions hewon't do anything.
So it's like why is he sopopular?
How does he get to run foroffice?
Why is he out there with noreal information about it?
(17:19):
Who could pull this off?
You're.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
Kennedy.
I think it's.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
Having political pull like that, you could probably
do it.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
No, no.
I think if that was the case italready would have come out or
something officially, not fromjust one far right.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
You can't fake your death and then come out that
you're alive.
That's illegal, I believe.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
So is running for office.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
Somehow you haven't paid Kennedy's not running for
office.
Vincent Fusca is.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
He's not running for office.
Vincent Fusca is.
He's not a real person eitheryou're saying I'm saying it's
Kennedy.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
Yes, because you can't find anything on Fusca.
I'm saying that Kennedy isprobably alive, but you can't
say you're John Kennedy becauseyou're dead.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
So you're saying you actually said that Vincent Fusca
is actually dead as well?
Speaker 2 (18:00):
Vincent Fusca is dead and I use that as a thing, and
I use the Ace Ventura reference,where Ray Finkel was a hiker
that died in the mountains, okay, and Lois Einhorn took his name
.
Ray Finkel became Lois, I'msorry, lois Einhorn was a hiker
that died in the mountains, okay, and Ray Finkel, after missing
(18:20):
that kick in the Super Bowl,took her name and changed his
whole appearance Einhorn isFinkel, finkel is Einhorn,
einhorn's a man, wow.
So Vincent Fusca died in themiddle of where this Vincent
Fusca claims to live or havebeen raised after moving here
from Italy.
There's no information on himin Italy.
(18:42):
I don't think he actually liveshere.
He doesn't have an accent Well,you wouldn't know but he
doesn't speak.
But nobody has come out andsaid he's got an Italian accent.
He speaks to people.
I see him take pictures witheveryone.
He's everywhere.
Speaker 3 (18:58):
He's either the most brilliant social media guru I've
ever seen, or he's John John.
I think he caught on to thefact that he can get a lot of
publicity from this insaneconspiracy.
I guess you could say is whatit is really.
But I think he's using that ashis publicity and he says I'm
just not going to say anything,because people are looking at me
.
Because of this, this is.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
Donald Trump we're talking about, right?
No, donald Trump, this isn'tyour ordinary president.
No, hold on this guy's poppingup in Donald Trump's campaign
Because of why.
This is not your ordinarypresident, who is a senator,
goes through the rigging rolls,climbs up the ladder whatever,
becomes president.
This is Donald Trump.
Donald Trump is what I believethey call a tycoon somehow, even
(19:38):
though he inherited all of thestuff, but he is a publicity
magnet, right, they pay him togo places.
Speaker 3 (19:45):
But this would have had to been planned well, well
before.
That was even a thing, it was.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
It was planned, it had started before he won the
first election, when he waspresident, and then, once he won
it, they just went with it andthey took it where it needed to
go.
And then, now that he's backhere and running, let's unleash
Vincent Fusca.
So my biggest question wouldwould be, though this could
quite possibly be a bad thing 20years ago.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
What made them do that then?
Speaker 2 (20:11):
Do what?
Speaker 3 (20:12):
Fake his death 20 years ago and go into hiding.
What would make that?
Speaker 2 (20:14):
So he wasn't killed.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
You think they were going to kill him?
Speaker 2 (20:18):
They killed everyone else.
So you think Every other,Basically every other one of
them that is higher up inpolitics has been killed.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
I don't know.
I don't think it's real.
It looks not even the onlypeople that believe this are
very far right political people,I am not far right.
And researching it and stuff.
Most people are just laughingat it altogether.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
Why are they laughing at it?
Because it is absurd.
Just so you know, I'm laughingat it too, it's absurd, it's
absurd.
It's absurd.
It's absurd, but you can't haveany.
You can't really have any otherexplanation.
This guy came out of nowhere,has done nothing, has no history
, and yet is one of the biggesttopics of Donald Trump's
(21:01):
campaigns.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
But that doesn't mean he's JFK Jr.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
What else would it mean?
It means he realized thatpeople have used that and he
said oh, you know what?
You don't get to that pointunless you're JFK Jr.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
I'm sure other people could come up with that.
I don't think he's the onlyperson in history that could
ever do that.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
He has to be so intelligent with social media
that he's been able to do this,which I don't think he is,
because there are people thatare way more intelligent with
social media than I believeVincent Fusca, at 61 years old,
is, even at 45, he's not thatintelligent.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
That being said, who knows if he was even part of
this when they came up with thisconspiracy.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
You have to have political connections to do
something like this, and he'sdoing it.
I don't think so.
He's not Vincent Fusca.
Maybe he's not JFK Jr, but he'snot Vincent Fusca.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
That's why maybe he's somebody else.
I don't think he's JFK Jr.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
I'm saying the deep state helped him fake his death.
They took him out so he didn'tget killed.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
I mean maybe I'll see something, but right now it is
not even a problem.
So look at the situation.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
I've done the research and I said no, this is
a joke when it is, I'll acceptthe.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
you were right.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
No, I don't think you're going to be right this
time.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
Oh, I'm getting it.
Oh, I'm getting it.
No way, oh, 100%.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
Nope.
Well, you said they're nevergoing to announce it.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
I did say that they can't announce it.
They can't, but something willcome out.
Well, you will start toquestion Vincent and Fusco if
anything more happens.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
But so far, everything that this group has
said other than hey, this is whothis is.
Nothing's happened.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
First of all, let me be clear.
I think QAnon are just a bunchof satanic nutballs.
They're weird, but with allthis going on, I had to look at
it.
I had to look at it and startedlooking into it.
I'm like, holy crap, this couldquite possibly be a thing.
This could.
This is not so far-fetched thatit can't be.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
It's pretty far-fetched.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
No, it's not so far-fetched that it can't be
real.
It's not off the wall, nuts, itis far-fetched.
It is, I agree.
But what is the otherexplanation as to why this guy
is here Right now?
It being JFK Jr is more of arelevant example or excuse
whatever than from where thisguy came from.
(23:10):
He's of nothing.
He literally is of nothing.
Speaker 3 (23:13):
So far.
Yes, he's there, but thatpeople are pointing out that
he's there, that's about it.
And because I think they'resaying that because of was it,
kwanon?
Is that how you say that?
I don't know, stupid idiots, Idon't know, but they're saying
that's who that is.
So when people notice him inthe crowd, it becomes this big
thing.
But other than that, nothinghas happened.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
I think it's pronounced stupid and anonymous.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
Possibly Other than that he's just sitting there.
Lots of people are sittingthere.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
We're not looking at anybody else around him.
There's no info, no matter howhard I try and look.
Anywhere Anything, I askAnything.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
I research.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
Brings me to a dead end.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
Nowhere.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
Nowhere.
Speaker 3 (23:54):
It can't be his real name.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
I don't know who this guy is.
I don't and I can't find out.
And even when you do that, youget one thing about him, and
that's from QAnon, yeah.
And then you get 47 thingsabout Donald Trump.
It's like there's not even aWikipedia page where somebody
makes that stuff up.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
Right, you can go and edit Wikipedia itself.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
Yeah, you can go and make your own things up and put
nothing.
Nobody knows anything aboutthis dude.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
I agree on that stuff , but I don't even know.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
The only person that would be able to pull this off
would be JFK Jr.
Speaker 3 (24:22):
I don't think so.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
But that was a.
You know the magic tricks wherethey have you sign a card and
20 years later you cut off atree branch and your card's
there.
How the hell did they do?
Speaker 3 (24:34):
that Okay.
It's a really long wait forthat.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
Well, that's kind of what magic is, and that's what
they do.
They shield you from what'shappening.
They planted that card, theywait 20 years for it to get to a
point where it needs to be, andthen you go cut it down,
whatever it is.
How is that not what this wouldbe?
This is exactly the same thing.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
I don't see it.
I don't.
I'm not going to agree with youon this one.
I really do not.
Even there's no part of me thatthinks that that's who that is.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
That's because the bull is already over your eyes.
No, I don't believe a lot ofthings They've already got you?
No, I don't believe a lot ofthings that I said.
You're locked in.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
No.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
You're locked in.
You can't see the forest fromthe trees, can you Nope?
Speaker 3 (25:09):
I can.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
You just do what you're told.
Stay in line.
Speaker 3 (25:11):
But if we took a poll there would be very few people
believing this story.
I bet most people would be onmy side, I now.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
True or false?
Jfk Jr.
Is Vincent Fusca True or false?
That's it.
Let's see what kind of responsewe get out of it.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
It's going to be false, false, false.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
Okay, I'm saying true , true, true.
Nope, you don't know that.
I bet there could be a lot ofpeople out there that agree with
me, and if there are, you'regoing to be sorry.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
I don't think so.
You're going to be.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
Sorry.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
Hey case.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
This is what happens when we get into good
conversations.
We got to get ready to go.
We're a little over the time,so, uh, we're at the end.
You want to say anything?
Speaker 3 (25:53):
Nope, Just uh.
Yeah, Do your research, butit's not a.
Thing.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
What are?
Speaker 1 (25:57):
you going to?
Speaker 2 (25:57):
research.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
If this person's a real person go ahead and try
there.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
I've tried.
Anyway, we're at the end of theshow, Guys, I hope you enjoyed
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We're back Back here with anepisode of Saki Tumi Sitting
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little Maz Maz, Miss Maz MazMazzy star.
Anyway, we're here with anepisode about Vincent Fusca.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
Get ready.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
This guy is awesome, awesome, awesome.
Okay, how the hell do you haveno background story and become
so popular?
Speaker 3 (01:16):
I don't know, but it's absolutely insane.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
He's JFK Jr.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
He is.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Yes, he is, he definitely is Jr.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
No, no way, he he is he definitely is JFK Jr.
No, no way.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
He most certainly is.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
Absolutely not.
You know, I really I'll listento all the conspiracies, Some of
them I'm into.
This is a this is John.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
John all grown up?
No, yes, it is.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
It doesn't even look like him.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
It looks a lot like him.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
He was like the sexiest man of the year and
that's what he grew up to be.
I don't think so.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
Hey, a lot of guys peak early.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Maybe that's why he faked his death.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
Because he peaked early, so he decided to fake his
death.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
Maybe he knew he was going to be ugly, so he came
back as this Vincent Fusca guywho, by the way, is fake.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
You think his whole idea is fake.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
I think he stole Vincent Fusca's real identity
after Vincent Fusca died.
Uh, I don't know.
It's kind of like Yves Venturawith Ray Finkel.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
I'm serious.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
Alright, well, do you want to explain to our audience
what we're even talking about?
Finkel is.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Einhorn.
Einhorn is Finkel.
Vincent Fusca is a personalitythat continuously shows up to
the Trump rallies.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
Right.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
And nobody knows who he is.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
But where did it come from?
Speaker 2 (02:35):
Well, it came from a popular publicity company that
made up this character.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
I don't think so.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
It's funny that he's become friends with Donald Trump
.
He gives no interviews, hedoesn't talk to anybody and it's
really hard to find anyinformation on him.
Everything that they do find isvery superficial.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
Right, but he ran for the Senate.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
He ran.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
And if he in reality is not actually Vincent Fusco.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
He's not Vincent Fusco, he's JFK Jr.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
Then he's not even eligible.
He would be committing fraud byputting his name into the
Senate as Vincent Fusca.
You can't do that.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
You can't fraud.
I'm saying he took a name ofsomebody that died and started
this.
A man by the name of VincentFusca died in.
Pennsylvania Right Right aroundthe area where he claims to be
from.
He said he went to theUniversity of Pennsylvania.
He said he went to theUniversity of Pennsylvania.
He said he's from Pittsburgh.
Everything lines up with this.
And then the one time Trumpattempted to be assassinated,
(03:30):
he's standing directly behindhim, for when he ducks.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Right, okay.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
And if you want to go as far as getting to Karen
Lippa's set, we can, but wewon't.
She was also in the crowd.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
So when we first heard about this, I also thought
it was one of the craziestthings I've ever heard.
Why there are so many things.
First of all, why would JFK Jrhave faked his death and stayed
in hiding for what?
25-ish years almost?
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Maybe they really needed him alive.
For 20 years doing nothing Lookthe Kennedys have a history of
being killed.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
Or at least killing people.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
But everybody knew they were killed and none of
them have come back so far.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
They claim there's theories on that.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
The theory came from a very far right conspiracy
organization.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
I guess you could say he died well before QAnon ever
existed.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
Exactly he did.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
But now they believe it's him.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
They're the only people that believe it's him.
Is that one group?
Very few people are believingthis conspiracy.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
Well then you've got to think about how strong that
group is if they're putting thisout there like that.
It's out there because there'sprobably some truth to it.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
You have to look for it.
It honestly makes no sense.
They found their bodies, theyfound the plane, they found the
bodies, everything.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
They found bodies.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
They did.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
If you died in a plane crash would you be in one
peaceful intactment.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
It depends.
It depends on the situation.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
If your plane crashed to the ground, would you expect
to be completely whole whenextracted from the wreckage.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
I guess probably not, but you never know.
I think certain people havesurvived plane crashes, so I'm
not sure that we can actuallymake that determination.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
I agree, some people have survived plane crashes.
Right, most people have died.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
They know exactly what happened to this plane,
right, they tracked it the wholetime.
They know where it nosedived.
They know why it nosedived.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
Do they?
Speaker 3 (05:24):
Yes, okay, off goes to Martha's Vineyard.
I know where they claim ithappened.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
Yes, it was right here in our neck of the woods.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
It was.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
And when it happened, I believed it.
I thought it was going tohappen, I thought it was real.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
I didn't think anything of it Now that this
apparently came out.
It was the president and theywere stating that he was going
to show up and be announced asTrump's VP.
He did not show up or beannounced at any of those things
, nor through the entirepregnancy.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
Pregnancy.
Where are you going?
Speaker 3 (06:00):
Residency.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
Men can't get pregnant, you know.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
That's a whole different topic.
He was waiting for this entirething for 20 years and then the
opportunity he had for what theysay is the reason he was
waiting to make Trump presidentis possible and happening, and
he still stayed in hiding foryet another four years.
Why?
Speaker 2 (06:20):
I don't know, that doesn't make any sense Makes.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
no sense, at what point is he going to announce
himself to be him?
Speaker 2 (06:27):
To be who JFK Jr?
Yes, he won't.
Jfk Jr is dead.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
So they're going to keep that.
Everybody's just assuming thatthat's who that is Vincent Fusca
.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
Look man on the moon.
Andy Kaufman played thegreatest trick I've ever seen.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
You could not tell if his alter ego known as Tony
Clifton was real or fake.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
That was like as a joke, almost as a joke, right
People don't fake deaths as ajoke.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
For 20-something years, have you ever heard of
Machiavelli.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
How about Tupac, although I do think Tupac is
actually dead?
Speaker 3 (06:56):
I was going to say you think Tupac faked his death
as well.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
It's just funny that he always spoke of Machiavelli
and then he died.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
But Machiavelli actually faked his own death.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
I'm not saying people don't fake their own deaths.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
There are plenty of people that do.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
Exactly.
But I don't see any benefit toJFK Jr faking his death and
staying in hiding until now andthen coming out as this weird.
Italian guy.
He's from Italy.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
It hasn't benefited anything yet, but it might.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
When.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
And that's why they made him fake his death.
That's why everybody told youhe was dead.
That way he can come back, notbe a Kennedy and still live full
.
This is genius.
This is after a fakeassassination attempt.
Now all this is going on.
Well, it was going on beforethis.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
It was going on well before this, but this is going
on Well.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
It was going on before this, it was going on
well before this, but this isthe whole story.
This is what's going on, thisis the ploy and this is the
story, and this is basicallywhere I think American politics
are at right now.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
Listen, I agree the politics thing is crazy, but
this guy was actually born inItaly and moved to the US as a
child.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
By the way, Joe Biden is stepping down.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
Yeah, what's that?
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Ironic.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
Not ironic.
I expected that to be ironic.
You don't see all these thingsadding up.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
I mean, I guess, all of a sudden, vincent Fusca is
coming out of nowhere, donaldTrump has attempted to be
assassinated and Biden stepsdown.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
What in the is going on here.
He's stepping out of the race.
He's not stepping down aspresident, you should point that
out.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
Well, yes, he's not seeking re-election, correct?
He can't anyway.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
Unfortunately, this whole JFK-Vincent Fusca thing
came out well before any of thatstarted.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
You got to start a story somewhere.
You can't just start in themiddle of stuff.
You started well before, so youcan build it up.
That's what the story does.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
I think it is the most insane conspiracy.
I think the guy looks nothinglike JFK Jr.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
How would you know what JFK looks like 25 years
later?
I?
Speaker 3 (08:51):
don't think it's that Italian guy.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
They hit him, they sat him on a couch for 25 years
and fed him bonbons.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
He just sat in silence and secrecy.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
What town in Italy was Fusca born in?
I don't know Silence andsecrecy.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
What?
Speaker 2 (09:02):
town in Italy was Fusca, born in.
I don't know, that's right, youcan't find it?
Speaker 3 (09:05):
They're also saying he's like 20 years younger than
JFK would have been.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Of course Look, without getting into details.
Does he look 45?
Does he look 46?
No, not really.
How old does he look 61?
Speaker 3 (09:19):
Does he look 61?
He does.
I agree with that.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
Okay, he looks 61 years old, and how old would JFK
be right now?
Speaker 3 (09:24):
Around 60, 61.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
He'd be 61 years old.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
Not tonight.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
He does not look 46 years old.
I'm sorry, I don't think theyeven have it's JFK I don't think
they have the same facialfeatures.
It's Jon Jon dude.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
Wait.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
I don't have the same facial features I had when I
was 21.
Do you 20 years ago?
I don't have the same facialfeatures.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
Do you actually think that he looks similar enough to
JFK Jr?
Speaker 2 (09:46):
Absolutely Really, oh yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
Because the group.
I don't know if we're sayingthe name of that group.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
You ever notice the forehead, why does?
He think I wear the fedora allthe time To hide the forehead.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
They actually said that he would have had to have
plastic surgery.
That was one of the reasoningshe doesn't look like JFK.
That was one of the reasoningshe doesn't look like JFK,
because they even know hedoesn't look like JFK.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
How do you know he didn't have plastic surgery?
Speaker 3 (10:05):
They're saying that he had to have plastic surgery.
That's the group that createdthis whole conspiracy theory has
said that he had to haveplastic surgery to change his
appearance for his safety.
I don't buy any of it.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
I think this is absolutely insane.
You could sit in a hotel room,smoke pack upon pack of
cigarettes a day, eat bonbonsand change your appearance.
You would not look like thepeople that remember you looking
25 years prior.
I don't look like I did.
I don't look like now what Ilooked like 25 years ago.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
But that doesn't change actual prominent features
that you have.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
But if I died, 25 years ago and I came back right
now, you'd say it wasn't me,because I don't look the same I
don't know.
I'm just saying you would.
I don't see any benefit to it,every single person, every
single person, is rememberingJFK Jr, the way he looked then.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
You haven't seen him since.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
But you can do side-by-sides and look at facial
features and see that theydon't have those.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
If you put Fusca's face over JFK's face, they line
up.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
I don't think so.
They do no.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
In a weird way and it does look like Fusca may have
had plastic surgery.
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
Why is?
Speaker 2 (11:13):
his hair so black too .
It's so crazy.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
He's 61 years old, true, but that's.
People dye their hair.
That means nothing to me.
That's not a definitive yes orno, but actual facial features.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
It would say that you're trying to change your
appearance.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
Well, people do that for a lot of reasons.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
It wouldn't help your explanation that you're not
trying to change your appearance.
You change your hair color, soyou cannot.
If you did that, how far didyou go to get to where you are?
How many other things did youchange?
We could tell you you did yourhair.
We don't know if you did yourface, but you did your hair.
So you can't say that youdidn't do your face, because
you're obviously trying tochange your appearance it makes.
(12:06):
What doesn't make sense is thefact that you're arguing that
it's not JFK Jr.
What's the benefit?
He's now running for office.
He's supporting Donald Trump.
Donald Trump originally saidmany, many, many years ago that
if he ever ran for president, hewould run as a Democrat.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
Right.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
Because they were stupid.
That's what he said.
Okay, those are basically hisexact words.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
Maybe summarized a bit.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
Okay so, and they always asked him to run.
They asked him to run, theyasked him and he said no, no, no
, no.
Then, all of a sudden, he'slike because of Barack, he ended
up running.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
And he won, and good for him.
Who else would you rather haveon your side with all the
connections than a Kennedy?
Speaker 3 (12:41):
But he's not really a Kennedy anymore because he's
been in hiding and has noconnection to the family at this
point, correct, there's no waythat they kept him in hiding for
20 years and he's still actinglike a Kennedy.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
What is arguably the biggest conspiracy of all time.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
I don't know what.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
JFK's assassination.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
Oh, okay, is that?
Speaker 2 (12:57):
correct.
You don't think this familyknows how to navigate their way
through a conspiracy.
They are.
They are the.
They are the architects of thegreatest one, or at least one of
the greatest ones of all time Idon't think how many shooters
were there?
Speaker 3 (13:11):
I don't know exactly.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
No one does, no one will ever know, so why wouldn't
it be jfk I?
Speaker 3 (13:16):
really don't see any benefit to it and I don't see
how anybody in that prominent ofa family.
Yes, do they have ways to coverthings up?
Sure, but how do you stayhidden for 20-something years?
And again, if he were comingout to help Trump get elected,
why didn't he show up four yearsago?
Speaker 2 (13:31):
Because they, the deep state, have a different
timeline and plan for all ofthis.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
Like when's he going to appear?
10 years from now, they'llannounce who he really is.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
Oh, he may never appear as JFK Jr again.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
But this person doesn't have that big of an
influence.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
He's still a Kennedy.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
He's just a person showing up that people notice
now, but he's still a.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
Kennedy, which would give him all the pull and
influence he needs.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
I don't think so, not if nobody knows he's a Kennedy.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
The people that need to know he's a Kennedy.
No, Everybody else discusseswhether he is or isn't.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
Wasn't Kennedy a Democrat?
Speaker 2 (14:07):
He was.
But did you ever read stuff onJFK?
Not a lot.
His policies were conservativeOkay, he was more of a
Republican than a Democrat.
Okay, back then Republicans andDemocrats were basically more
alike than they are nowRepublicans and.
Democrats were basically morealike than they are now, but his
policies sided towards what nowwould be considered the
(14:27):
Republican side.
He was more of a conservativeDemocrat where Republicans would
have gotten behind him, andthat's probably why he was
assassinated.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
Right.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
Where I think the same goes for Trump.
To be honest, he was tempted tobe assassinated because his
policies aren't in line withwhat other people want to do.
Right, and maybe that's why JFKJr is alive and is running with
Donald Trump and had to seewhich way the first four years
went and how he did to see if arerun, another campaign
(14:56):
nomination went to stand behindhim, and now Fusca's coming out.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
But he's not running with Donald Trump.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
He's not, but he's all over.
He's all over Donald Trump'sand he's right behind him.
He's videoing the entire thing.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
I agree, but I think part of it is that he's just a
big Trump supporter and now herealizes that he's getting this
attention, so he's kind of fitinto it.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
Then where is he from ?
Speaker 3 (15:20):
Pennsylvania.
How did he grow up Italy?
Speaker 2 (15:22):
That's all I know.
It's all anybody knows.
That's the point.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
No, I did see some.
They went to college somewhere.
I mean there was.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
He grew up in the US.
He went to the University ofPennsylvania and they claimed he
was in a fraternity.
He was in a Hold on Phi KappaTheta Okay.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
I agree it's a little weird that you can't find a ton
of info on him.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
You would think a guy running for office because he
doesn't exist.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
Yeah, but then he can't run for office.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
If you're a Kennedy, you have the pull and the
influence to pull this off.
That's the point.
That's why it's definitely JohnJohn.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
No way 100%.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
I don't think it at all 100%.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
Yeah, I would love to hear what other people say,
because I can't even begin tobelieve this is a real thing.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
It is.
And then now this is crazy, andI'm not sure if this is true or
not.
This is even a little farbeyond me, but there's a woman
in the crowd, two seats over andone row in front of Vincent
Fusca, that they claim has theexact facial features of Carolyn
Bessette.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
Was there a third person on the plane?
Who was the third person?
Speaker 2 (16:22):
Carolyn's sister.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
Oh, where is she?
Did she just die?
Speaker 2 (16:25):
Well, she's not really necessary in this.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
Is she alive too somewhere?
Speaker 2 (16:30):
Then again, this would be the puzzle piece which
is like is he alive?
Is he not alive?
Did he fake his own death?
Did he not fake his own death?
Because where is Her name,wasn't Jacqueline?
Jacqueline was Kennedy's mom.
Yeah, Her name was Carolyn andit began with a J.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
I don't remember.
I forget her name, but thosewere the three on the plane.
If those two are alive, where'sthe third?
She must be somewhere too right, or did they kill her?
Speaker 2 (16:58):
She's probably the publicity coordinator.
Vincent Fusca has a ton ofpublicity but he doesn't do any
interviews.
He doesn't deal with the mediaat all, but yet he's everywhere
he won't answer questions hewon't do anything.
So it's like why is he sopopular?
How does he get to run foroffice?
Why is he out there with noreal information about it?
(17:19):
Who could pull this off?
You're.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
Kennedy.
I think it's.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
Having political pull like that, you could probably
do it.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
No, no.
I think if that was the case italready would have come out or
something officially, not fromjust one far right.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
You can't fake your death and then come out that
you're alive.
That's illegal, I believe.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
So is running for office.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
Somehow you haven't paid Kennedy's not running for
office.
Vincent Fusca is.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
He's not running for office.
Vincent Fusca is.
He's not a real person eitheryou're saying I'm saying it's
Kennedy.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
Yes, because you can't find anything on Fusca.
I'm saying that Kennedy isprobably alive, but you can't
say you're John Kennedy becauseyou're dead.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
So you're saying you actually said that Vincent Fusca
is actually dead as well?
Speaker 2 (18:00):
Vincent Fusca is dead and I use that as a thing, and
I use the Ace Ventura reference,where Ray Finkel was a hiker
that died in the mountains, okay, and Lois Einhorn took his name
.
Ray Finkel became Lois, I'msorry, lois Einhorn was a hiker
that died in the mountains, okay, and Ray Finkel, after missing
(18:20):
that kick in the Super Bowl,took her name and changed his
whole appearance Einhorn isFinkel, finkel is Einhorn,
einhorn's a man, wow.
So Vincent Fusca died in themiddle of where this Vincent
Fusca claims to live or havebeen raised after moving here
from Italy.
There's no information on himin Italy.
(18:42):
I don't think he actually liveshere.
He doesn't have an accent Well,you wouldn't know but he
doesn't speak.
But nobody has come out andsaid he's got an Italian accent.
He speaks to people.
I see him take pictures witheveryone.
He's everywhere.
Speaker 3 (18:58):
He's either the most brilliant social media guru I've
ever seen, or he's John John.
I think he caught on to thefact that he can get a lot of
publicity from this insaneconspiracy.
I guess you could say is whatit is really.
But I think he's using that ashis publicity and he says I'm
just not going to say anything,because people are looking at me
.
Because of this, this is.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
Donald Trump we're talking about, right?
No, donald Trump, this isn'tyour ordinary president.
No, hold on this guy's poppingup in Donald Trump's campaign
Because of why.
This is not your ordinarypresident, who is a senator,
goes through the rigging rolls,climbs up the ladder whatever,
becomes president.
This is Donald Trump.
Donald Trump is what I believethey call a tycoon somehow, even
(19:38):
though he inherited all of thestuff, but he is a publicity
magnet, right, they pay him togo places.
Speaker 3 (19:45):
But this would have had to been planned well, well
before.
That was even a thing, it was.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
It was planned, it had started before he won the
first election, when he waspresident, and then, once he won
it, they just went with it andthey took it where it needed to
go.
And then, now that he's backhere and running, let's unleash
Vincent Fusca.
So my biggest question wouldwould be, though this could
quite possibly be a bad thing 20years ago.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
What made them do that then?
Speaker 2 (20:11):
Do what?
Speaker 3 (20:12):
Fake his death 20 years ago and go into hiding.
What would make that?
Speaker 2 (20:14):
So he wasn't killed.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
You think they were going to kill him?
Speaker 2 (20:18):
They killed everyone else.
So you think Every other,Basically every other one of
them that is higher up inpolitics has been killed.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
I don't know.
I don't think it's real.
It looks not even the onlypeople that believe this are
very far right political people,I am not far right.
And researching it and stuff.
Most people are just laughingat it altogether.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
Why are they laughing at it?
Because it is absurd.
Just so you know, I'm laughingat it too, it's absurd, it's
absurd.
It's absurd.
It's absurd, but you can't haveany.
You can't really have any otherexplanation.
This guy came out of nowhere,has done nothing, has no history
, and yet is one of the biggesttopics of Donald Trump's
(21:01):
campaigns.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
But that doesn't mean he's JFK Jr.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
What else would it mean?
It means he realized thatpeople have used that and he
said oh, you know what?
You don't get to that pointunless you're JFK Jr.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
I'm sure other people could come up with that.
I don't think he's the onlyperson in history that could
ever do that.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
He has to be so intelligent with social media
that he's been able to do this,which I don't think he is,
because there are people thatare way more intelligent with
social media than I believeVincent Fusca, at 61 years old,
is, even at 45, he's not thatintelligent.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
That being said, who knows if he was even part of
this when they came up with thisconspiracy.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
You have to have political connections to do
something like this, and he'sdoing it.
I don't think so.
He's not Vincent Fusca.
Maybe he's not JFK Jr, but he'snot Vincent Fusca.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
That's why maybe he's somebody else.
I don't think he's JFK Jr.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
I'm saying the deep state helped him fake his death.
They took him out so he didn'tget killed.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
I mean maybe I'll see something, but right now it is
not even a problem.
So look at the situation.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
I've done the research and I said no, this is
a joke when it is, I'll acceptthe.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
you were right.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
No, I don't think you're going to be right this
time.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
Oh, I'm getting it.
Oh, I'm getting it.
No way, oh, 100%.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
Nope.
Well, you said they're nevergoing to announce it.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
I did say that they can't announce it.
They can't, but something willcome out.
Well, you will start toquestion Vincent and Fusco if
anything more happens.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
But so far, everything that this group has
said other than hey, this is whothis is.
Nothing's happened.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
First of all, let me be clear.
I think QAnon are just a bunchof satanic nutballs.
They're weird, but with allthis going on, I had to look at
it.
I had to look at it and startedlooking into it.
I'm like, holy crap, this couldquite possibly be a thing.
This could.
This is not so far-fetched thatit can't be.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
It's pretty far-fetched.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
No, it's not so far-fetched that it can't be
real.
It's not off the wall, nuts, itis far-fetched.
It is, I agree.
But what is the otherexplanation as to why this guy
is here Right now?
It being JFK Jr is more of arelevant example or excuse
whatever than from where thisguy came from.
(23:10):
He's of nothing.
He literally is of nothing.
Speaker 3 (23:13):
So far.
Yes, he's there, but thatpeople are pointing out that
he's there, that's about it.
And because I think they'resaying that because of was it,
kwanon?
Is that how you say that?
I don't know, stupid idiots, Idon't know, but they're saying
that's who that is.
So when people notice him inthe crowd, it becomes this big
thing.
But other than that, nothinghas happened.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
I think it's pronounced stupid and anonymous.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
Possibly Other than that he's just sitting there.
Lots of people are sittingthere.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
We're not looking at anybody else around him.
There's no info, no matter howhard I try and look.
Anywhere Anything, I askAnything.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
I research.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
Brings me to a dead end.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
Nowhere.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
Nowhere.
Speaker 3 (23:54):
It can't be his real name.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
I don't know who this guy is.
I don't and I can't find out.
And even when you do that, youget one thing about him, and
that's from QAnon, yeah.
And then you get 47 thingsabout Donald Trump.
It's like there's not even aWikipedia page where somebody
makes that stuff up.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
Right, you can go and edit Wikipedia itself.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
Yeah, you can go and make your own things up and put
nothing.
Nobody knows anything aboutthis dude.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
I agree on that stuff , but I don't even know.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
The only person that would be able to pull this off
would be JFK Jr.
Speaker 3 (24:22):
I don't think so.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
But that was a.
You know the magic tricks wherethey have you sign a card and
20 years later you cut off atree branch and your card's
there.
How the hell did they do?
Speaker 3 (24:34):
that Okay.
It's a really long wait forthat.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
Well, that's kind of what magic is, and that's what
they do.
They shield you from what'shappening.
They planted that card, theywait 20 years for it to get to a
point where it needs to be, andthen you go cut it down,
whatever it is.
How is that not what this wouldbe?
This is exactly the same thing.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
I don't see it.
I don't.
I'm not going to agree with youon this one.
I really do not.
Even there's no part of me thatthinks that that's who that is.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
That's because the bull is already over your eyes.
No, I don't believe a lot ofthings They've already got you?
No, I don't believe a lot ofthings that I said.
You're locked in.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
No.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
You're locked in.
You can't see the forest fromthe trees, can you Nope?
Speaker 3 (25:09):
I can.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
You just do what you're told.
Stay in line.
Speaker 3 (25:11):
But if we took a poll there would be very few people
believing this story.
I bet most people would be onmy side, I now.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
True or false?
Jfk Jr.
Is Vincent Fusca True or false?
That's it.
Let's see what kind of responsewe get out of it.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
It's going to be false, false, false.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
Okay, I'm saying true , true, true.
Nope, you don't know that.
I bet there could be a lot ofpeople out there that agree with
me, and if there are, you'regoing to be sorry.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
I don't think so.
You're going to be.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
Sorry.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
Hey case.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
This is what happens when we get into good
conversations.
We got to get ready to go.
We're a little over the time,so, uh, we're at the end.
You want to say anything?
Speaker 3 (25:53):
Nope, Just uh.
Yeah, Do your research, butit's not a.
Thing.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
What are?
Speaker 1 (25:57):
you going to?
Speaker 2 (25:57):
research.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
If this person's a real person go ahead and try
there.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
I've tried.
Anyway, we're at the end of theshow, Guys, I hope you enjoyed
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