June 3, 2025 • 23 mins
A dead police officer in the snow. A broken taillight. Flirty text messages. Three competing theories. The Karen Reed murder trial has all the elements of a perfect crime thriller, except this Massachusetts case is chillingly real.
We dive deep into the mysterious death of Officer John O'Keefe, examining the evidence, inconsistencies, and troubling questions surrounding who's really responsible. With a blood alcohol level of 0.29, was O'Keefe simply too intoxicated, falling and succumbing to the elements? Did his girlfriend Karen Reed strike him with her vehicle as prosecutors claim? Or was there an altercation with fellow officer Brian Higgins over those flirtatious texts that led to a potential cover-up?
The physical evidence raises serious doubts about the official narrative. A suspiciously intact taillight fragment found by the body, missing surveillance footage, witnesses who've changed their stories, and police officers who've since been fired from the force – all point to something more complex than the prosecution's straightforward case against Reed.
Most disturbing is how this case exposes potential corruption within the justice system. When police investigate their own, the truth becomes malleable. As one host notes, "They will write anything they want" when it comes to police reports. With the first trial ending in a hung jury and key witnesses mysteriously not returning for the second trial, we're left questioning whether justice is actually being served.
Whether you're fascinated by true crime mysteries or concerned about accountability in law enforcement, this examination of the Karen Reed case will leave you questioning everything you thought you knew about how justice works when the blue line closes ranks.
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Speaker 2 (00:12):
hey, everybody, welcome to sake to me hey
everybody.
Welcome back to sake to me,where we connect people to
people, even if it does includeshoddy police work.
Talking about karen reed andher trial and john o'keefe holy
cow, what a nutball job this isyeah, it's interesting.
(00:33):
It is interesting already.
It's like who done it?
It's a nose it's a live versionof clue it's true.
It's like killed him with alightsaber in the.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
In the library.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
Whatever, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Yeah, there were like three things.
The conservatory is what I wasthinking of.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Yes, conservatory Yep Conversation.
Anyway, john O'Keefe was apolice officer in Massachusetts
and he's dead.
He died on January 29th of 22.
Right, yep, and they're tryingto pin it on his at that time
girlfriend.
Right, karen Reed, who, by theway, looks like she's guilty.
(01:14):
I don't see that she looks likea friggin' psycho.
She probably could have done it.
I don't know, but there's a lotof twists and turns in this
thing.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
There are.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
This is way more interesting than Johnny Depp and
Amanda Heard.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
Oh, 100% yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
This is like oh shit, Really.
Who done it?
Yeah, you can't figure it outBecause you don't know.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
And because there are police involved, there's always
that potential of they covertheir own.
You just never know.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
Back your brother their own.
You just never know.
Back your brother, it's true,absolutely it's stupid.
But uh, there are also timesthat accidents actually happen.
Yes, so there's three differentscenarios right there yeah,
that we just talked about.
Very true, so you could eitherhad karen reed drilling him with
her car right him.
Being so drunk, he fell down,hit his and died of hypothermia.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
Probably is.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
Or him getting in a fight with Brian Higgins,
getting his ass kicked and theythrew him outside.
Yeah, Right.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
I said Brian Higgins right.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
I think yes, yes, either way, anyway.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
Yeah, let's get started on how this all came to
be.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
I don't even know even know.
Yes, you do uh, reed ando'keefe were all drinking with a
bunch of his cop buddies, right, right, yeah a bar, yes, and
they had already been on theouts, I guess seems that they
were not on the best of terms,but even said which brings us to
one of the scenarios right shewas sending flirty text messages
(02:44):
to b Higgins.
Right.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Right, which they don't talk about a lot here.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
Which I guess is what a friend of John's Were.
They friends, yeah, okay.
I wonder who initiated that,but okay.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
It doesn't say, they don't tell us that part, because
they don't go into it that far.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
Not really at all.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
No.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
You have to dig deep for that.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
And we all know if you're sending flirty text
messages to somebody elsethere's pretty much something
going on.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
Yeah, pretty much.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
If you've done it, you've been there and done that.
If you haven't, good for you.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
You're better than we are, whoa.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
Okay, I'm talking about the people that have done
it.
I've already said I have.
I know.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
I've already said I have I know.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
I never said you did.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
I.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Weirdo.
Anyway, whoa the night he died.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
They were at a bar in Canton, massachusetts, yeah,
and they went back to it wasBrian.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
Albert's house.
Brian Albert, yes, right, itwasn't Colin Albert, anyway, no.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
Brian Albert.
Yes, right, it wasn't ColinAlbert.
Anyway, one of the Albertshouse for a part, like an after
party.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
Right and she didn't want to stay.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
She was.
They were in a fight.
Yes, she was screaming at him.
They were in a fight.
Right, I have my theories onthis.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
Sure, you do.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
I'll express them later, I'm sure you will share
them.
But that's not here now, sowe're going to go and we're
going to.
Uh, she dropped them off Rightand then took off and left.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
At some point it starts snowing Right and that's
about four o'clock in themorning.
She dropped them off about 1230.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
Uh huh.
So there's a good three and ahalf hours before it starts
snowing Right and apparentlynobody saw him ever Right, and
that's I guess that's thebiggest piece is if he was
dropping off, even if he didn'tmake it into the house between
1230 and four.
I'm assuming some other peopleleft this house.
They didn't all stay for thisparty for the entire night.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
Maybe they did, but but you have to assume they're
all intoxicated.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
But nobody saw a person lying there on the ground
.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
Well, it says in the autopsy that John O'Keefe's
blood alcohol level was 0.29.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
What does that matter about somebody else seeing him,
though?
Speaker 2 (04:56):
It doesn't matter anything about anybody else,
except for the fact that his is0.29.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
Right.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
What are everyone else's?
True, okay, good point Ifyou're with people at a
restaurant and you're gettingthat drunk.
Yeah, how drunk are thesepeople?
Speaker 3 (05:10):
right driving home.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
I see your point, yeah, right, okay I'm not saying
they were over the legal limit.
I'm not saying they're underthe legal limit, but if that's
what his was, they're probablynot under they're probably not
much off from that right justJust law of averages, right.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
Correct.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
So I don't know what the hell happens to Karen Reed.
She leaves, goes home.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
I think she went home .
Speaker 2 (05:33):
She went home.
It almost hits his SUV in thedriveway.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
How does anybody know that?
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Because on his camera on his house.
They can see her pulling in andalmost hitting his SUV.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
But no taillight was found there.
But taillight was found by JohnO'Keefe's body.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
Yeah, the full chunk of taillight.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
I think they took the whole taillight out and just
laid it next to him.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
Yeah, I mean, I saw the size of the piece of
taillight.
It's interesting.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
He died of blunt head injuries and hypothermia
hypothermia.
I get you have to be hunchedover puking on the ground to get
drilled in the head by ataillight, unless you're getting
hit by a dump truck just evenif she did hit him I don't think
it was intentional, it was shebacked up, drove away.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
I don't know that she intentionally hit him.
How fast could she have hitthis person to have done that
much damage to him?
Speaker 2 (06:30):
she was mad.
Women are a little impulsive.
They do silly things at sillytimes not the point.
When it is, it is kind of thepoint, she could have gassed it
in reverse.
He could have been standingbehind the car not allowing her
to leave because he wanted totalk to her right, and she could
have been so pissed she justgassed it in reverse.
He could have been standingbehind the car not allowing her
to leave because he wanted totalk to her Right.
And she could have been sopissed.
She just gassed it and tried torun them over.
Perfectly logical situation.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
Yeah, I saw he had scratches and stuff too, like
from animals.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
They claim it was for a dog, but I think they threw
that out.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
Well, I think, because I think the owners of
the house also had a dog.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
They did.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
So here we are.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
The other theory.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Well, the first one was that she killed him, right.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
Right.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
But I can't understand.
I can understand the taillightbreaking, but the taillight
would be away from his body, Iwould assume.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
Yeah, I wouldn't assume it would land exactly
where he was.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Otherwise she would have had to have actually run
him over.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
Yeah For that to have happened.
Right, and even yeah, I guess.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
He could have also punched the taillight as she was
leaving, because he was pissedand they were fighting broke it,
fell in the driveway.
He stumbled over, fell down,hit his head and died.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
Of hypothermia, because hit his head and died.
Okay, of hypothermia, becausehe was out there all night,
right, right, and animals cameover started picking at him
because he was still warm at thetime.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
Quickly apparently there, but yeah hey, look, I
don't know.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Uh, my thing is he they were fighting because he
found out that she was sendingmessages to another officer
which you found.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
I I had not heard that, so it's obviously not a
known.
Well, maybe it is.
I haven't followed it thatclosely.
No, it's one of the thingsthat's covered up in here.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
Right, it should have been more of an avenue.
You would think so it was BrianHiggins, brian Albert and Colin
Albert that were the threepeople that could have been that
were suspects in killing him.
Outside of Karen three people,okay, that could have been that
were suspects, okay in this inkilling him outside of.
Outside of karen reed, correct.
So here's karen reed sendingflirty and sexy text messages to
(08:33):
brian uh, higgins right right.
Who's there?
Who's on the scene?
at this party now walks in,everybody's hammered.
He started saying, hey, I wasin.
I was in a shouting match withmy girl because you're sending
her messages.
Blah, blah, blah.
Right A fight breaks out,accidents happen.
This guy's knocked out, theydrop him in the coals and let
(08:55):
him sit there until he wakes up.
He don't wake up.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
Right.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
Now what.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
Well, they're police officers.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Yes, so they can cover it all up.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
Write their own scenario.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
I shouldn't say but they have the ability.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
That's why the text messages were never really
focused in that.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
I wouldn't be surprised if Brian Higgins and
John O'Keefe got in a fightbecause of those text messages.
They beat the bejesus out ofthem, took them out in the snow,
dropped them and then blamed iton Karen Reid.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
Yeah, I mean that from I've watched the
documentary and.
I've read up on this.
There were some other thingsabout it, but yes, it could go
either way.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
You've got to go from memory it does seem like
possibly.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
He went into this house and something happened.
There was some altercation andthey left him out in the snow.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
And all three of them said he was never in the house.
That's easy to do.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
Of course.
Everybody could agree that hewasn't there.
Oh, we never saw him, not here.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
He was never here.
Oh my God, he's dead in myfront yard.
But we have video of Karen Reedbacking out of the driveway
dropping him off.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
Right.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
So you do know he was here.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
So wait.
So they had video of heractually dropping him off, but
they don't have video to seewhat actually happened to him.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
They watched the video of her driving to see if
she actually hit him.
So yes, they did.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
So how do they not know if she hit him or not?
Speaker 2 (10:25):
I don't know Because Cut off Conveniently.
There's certain parts of itthat you can't.
They lost.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
Of course they did, oh they didn't preserve the tape
.
Because it wasn't her, thenthat means that Because she
didn't delete that video, shecouldn't, it wasn't hers, it
wasn't hers.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
She was too drunk to even take video.
She couldn't, it wasn't hers,it wasn't hers.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
She was too drunk to even take video yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
She was the one that found him.
But Well, that gets me into thenext part of this and why I
think Brian Higgins is at thecore of it.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
Really.
Yes, he found out prettyquickly too.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
Because they were sending messages back and forth.
Okay, and I guarantee you,somehow, someway, one got back
to him that he's outside, he'snot moving.
You got to do something, we'llhelp you Okay.
And then they threw her underthe bus.
He didn't come home and she'sstarting to freak out Now.
She doesn't know what happened.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
Right, apparently she can't remember what happened,
right.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
Now, all of this is most likely fabricated to make
it look like everybody'sinnocent well, right, I mean
nobody's gonna own up to it,right?
No, this is like an agathachristie who done it.
We need perry mason here, uh,but that means that somehow I'm
sure he, brian higgins, didn'ttext her directly, I'm sure not.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
Not at that hour, no.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
Unless they had burner phones.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
It doesn't seem like they did, From what I've read.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
I don't think that's a thing.
He was an FBI agent.
He definitely had a burnerphone.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
Okay, so maybe he did .
But okay, it's possible, Idon't really know.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
Anyway, that being said, she comes looking for him.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
Yeah, oh, he's not home yet how?
Speaker 2 (12:09):
is he gonna get home?
His car was in his drivewaywith yours.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
Yeah, I don't really know what was he not just
sleeping one off at albert'shouse I guess maybe she thought
somebody was gonna drive himback, I don't know, but he
didn't get home that's the crazypart.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
Not only does she look crazy, I firmly believe she
is crazy.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
Okay, she was in on it what do you mean in on it I
don't know, I don't think it wasplanned.
Do you think it was plannedahead of time?
I don't think it was planned Idon't.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
I'm not saying it's planned, but she was in on it,
she knew, she knew brian higginskilled, her killed him.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
I don't know, I hadn't really thought that far
into it and she's that crazythat she would do that yeah, I
don't know.
You're right.
I I thought, oh, she's calledthis guy a hundred million times
before she went out to look forhim and she's panicking she
can't find him.
But I guess if she obviouslyknew he was already dead, she
was the one that found him shefound where she left him she
(13:03):
found him she did at 507 right Ihave never been with anyone
ever that has come to look forme when I'm not home at 507 yeah
, that's a little early.
I don't, I wouldn't 7, 30, 8o'clock.
Now he's getting close 9, 10absolutely yeah, in the car
driving around 5 am.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
Hell no.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
Probably not.
Nope, Now I'm just angry andmaybe calling or probably
sleeping, but at the same timenot out driving around looking
for you.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
You're all drunk and being stupid and trying to cover
up your tracks.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
That's what happened, okay.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
They made a mistake, they screwed up, their friend
died, and then they covered itup.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
Yeah, it's like four hours later they were all in on
it and they just left her to bethe one it wasn't murder it, it
wasn't murder no, I don't thinkit was intentional.
I don't think they meant tomurder him it was manslaughter
well, yeah higgins and o'keefedefinitely got in an altercation
.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
Ie O'Keefe got lumped .
That's why the blunt trauma tohis head fell down in the yard
and they left him there.
Then, when he didn't come backin, they go shit and he's dead.
Now what do we do?
Speaker 3 (14:18):
We'll just leave and pretend we don't know he's there
.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
You don't get blunt trauma to the head from a
taillight.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
Like I said, how fast , if you even to reverse, how
fast could she possibly havereversed into this guy?
Hitting somebody head-on, likeyou're driving down the street
and they're crossing the street,you can hit them pretty hard.
I guess, backing up like youdropped them off and you go to
back up, how fast could shepossibly have been going to back
into this person?
Speaker 2 (14:48):
Like I said when we started, 90 miles an hour, you
just gas it.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
It's not 90 miles an hour, but you go as fast as you
can, but I, I guess that's, Idon't know.
The injuries seem way worsethan what she could have done.
And why is the taillight in achunk?
Speaker 2 (15:00):
it wouldn't make.
Wouldn't it make sense that anatf agent has a, a dog that's
trained to attack?
Speaker 3 (15:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
With bite marks.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
So Higgins is the one that did it A hundred percent,
and the Alberts were in on it.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
And then the former police chief died.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
Yes, of cancer apparently.
But yes, he did Cancer, but alot of people.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
Died of COVID.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
So this is trial number two, because the first
one was what A hung jury?
Speaker 2 (15:32):
Hung jury Because it's so screwy.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
And a lot of people are not being invited back to
testify again.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
Which is crazy.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
Now what so how?
Speaker 2 (15:42):
do you even have another trial?
Speaker 3 (15:44):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
If you're not bringing back the key players
exactly you've decided.
They're not useful why are youwasting everybody's tax dollars,
which gets us, gets us back tothe justice system and the
police, which I got a lot to sayabout?
oh, yeah, always they can coverup whatever the they want yeah
and they can do whatever theywant and they can screw with
(16:06):
your life, and they do Again.
Your best bet is just not totalk to them If their mouth is
moving.
They're like credit cardcompanies and they're lying to
you.
They're lying.
They're not your friend.
They're not your friend.
They don't want to be yourfriend.
They look at you as a criminal,no matter what, and that's the
(16:26):
way they're going to put it.
So you try and give themeverything.
Oh yeah, I'll be helpful.
Just look at them, give them afinger and say suck my cock,
jeez.
Well, that's what it's gettingto at this point in time.
It's crazy.
And the fact that they can gothis far and cover everything up
, cover their tracks Right andmake everything look like
something didn't happen orhappened in a different way,
(16:47):
make sure you question theentire legal system.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
Correct.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
Anytime there's a police officer involved, any
judge has got to be under theassumption that they've doctored
statements.
Speaker 3 (16:59):
You do realize the judge is also somehow related to
the family that owns that house.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
That's why he's not allowed to be investigated.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
She.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
No.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
No, it's.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
Brian.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
Albert and Colin Albert.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
Colin Albert cannot be indicted in the murders.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
But why?
Speaker 2 (17:20):
It didn't say Shocking, it didn't tell you why
.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
Alright, the deciding judge, who's going to decide
this woman's fate?
Speaker 2 (17:27):
What was her name?
Canone.
Speaker 3 (17:29):
Beverly something.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
Let me just look it up real quick.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
But they said that she somehow has some sort of
relation with people that wereat that party that night.
She should not be the judge.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
She was If that's true.
She should not be the judge,that's correct.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
She should have reaccused herself and had to do
it.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
From day one.
Yeah, so therefore it should bea mistrial, no matter what.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
Correct.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
Mistrial.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
But somehow there she is.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
So maybe and maybe it's wrong.
Therefore, we come back around.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
We are reading information on the internet.
I could be wrong.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
Maybe I'm not correct , but well, what way do they
want us to read this?
That's why this is confusing,exactly, and compelling.
It's because they're not tryingto spin it in one person's
favor no, they're really not andwithin five minutes of reading
it, I had higgins you did yeahwhich no one has said at all.
No, I mean, he's one of thethree uh suspects.
Besides, read outside of herright and yet nobody said
anything about him.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
He's only mentioned about twice yeah, I had not
heard that name and I watchedthe documentary and everything
he had flirty messages yeah, I,I had not seen anything about
that, so that's definitely newsflirty messages was the kiss of
death right because if you sayflirty messages, there's
pictures, there's naughty thingsand there's something going on
(18:49):
true I know this because I didit.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
Oh yeah, yes, and it.
That's what happens.
And if you're exchanging flirtymessages, right you're.
Look, I don't exchange flirtymessages with very many people,
okay, when I do, it's becauseI'm flirting with you.
I mean otherwise.
Right, I don't exchange flirtymessages with very many people.
Okay, when I do, it's becauseI'm flirting with you.
Speaker 3 (19:08):
I mean right Otherwise.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
I don't even answer or respond.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
That's true, you don't respond to a lot of things
.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
So if you're responding with flirty messages,
you're looking for somethingand you want to, and that's what
that means.
Speaker 3 (19:22):
Right.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
And she's doing it with Brian Higgins.
That's why they got in a fightin the car.
Guarantee you something washappening in that bar they went
to with Brian Higgins.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
Dancing too close, talking too flirtatiously,
whatever.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
Right.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
They got in a fight in the car on the ride home, on
the ride back to the Albert'shouse, and that's what set all
of this in motion and nobodywill say anything, because
Police cover their own.
It's a po-po.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
They will make up, anything they will use.
It's incredible what waswritten about my own particular
case.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
Right.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
That wasn't fucking true.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
Right, right yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
They will write anything they fucking want.
Uh-huh, they can't takestatements over the phone, but
they will literally write.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
What you said on the phone.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
I called Ditto and he told me this over the phone
it's illegal to do that.
Yeah, they do it.
That's how brazen.
They are Right.
And these are the rights thatyou don't understand that you
have.
Yeah, and the only reason Iknow that is I called the local
police department today ask themcan you take statements over
the phone?
she's like no, we're not allowedto.
And when I asked them if Icould press charges, they said
(20:32):
you have to come down here andmake a statement.
I was like why you're on thephone with me right now?
Oh, we can't take statementsover the phone right, that's all
dumb, yeah.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
So in this whole situation I think that's kind of
why I question like is karenreed who knows?
Speaker 2 (20:48):
karen reed is involved.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
She may just be a victim of like she's not close
enough with all these policeofficers karen reed is involved
and they put her there.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
Not only that, but let me say one thing.
I've heard horrifying storiesof of the Massachusetts State
Police from a very reliablesource.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
It's incredible and what happened here if you can't
read into it.
They've all been fired.
Yeah, all the people involvedwith this have been fired from
the Massachusetts State Police,kind of crazy.
Because they protected theirown, and that's how that went.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
Right.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
But alright, there's another episode in the books.
Wow.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
Look at that.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
We'll get to more of it.
We'll see what happens withKaren Reed.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
It's a big thing right now.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
I bet you that she didn't know it was going to
happen.
But she knew it had happenedfirst and then went and tried to
help cover it up.
That's my point in this.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
She didn't do it, she didn't kill him, but she knew
about it.
She altered statements,evidence and all that stuff.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
Oof, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
It was Higgins.
That's my take on that.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
Yeah, that's all I got gotta say about that.
But okay, and that's the bottomline no, I'm not going there.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
It's stone cold, but anyway, we're at the end of the
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Talking about karen reed andher trial and john o'keefe holy
cow, what a nutball job this isyeah, it's interesting.
(00:33):
It is interesting already.
It's like who done it?
It's a nose it's a live versionof clue it's true.
It's like killed him with alightsaber in the.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
In the library.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
Whatever, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Yeah, there were like three things.
The conservatory is what I wasthinking of.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Yes, conservatory Yep Conversation.
Anyway, john O'Keefe was apolice officer in Massachusetts
and he's dead.
He died on January 29th of 22.
Right, yep, and they're tryingto pin it on his at that time
girlfriend.
Right, karen Reed, who, by theway, looks like she's guilty.
(01:14):
I don't see that she looks likea friggin' psycho.
She probably could have done it.
I don't know, but there's a lotof twists and turns in this
thing.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
There are.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
This is way more interesting than Johnny Depp and
Amanda Heard.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
Oh, 100% yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
This is like oh shit, Really.
Who done it?
Yeah, you can't figure it outBecause you don't know.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
And because there are police involved, there's always
that potential of they covertheir own.
You just never know.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
Back your brother their own.
You just never know.
Back your brother, it's true,absolutely it's stupid.
But uh, there are also timesthat accidents actually happen.
Yes, so there's three differentscenarios right there yeah,
that we just talked about.
Very true, so you could eitherhad karen reed drilling him with
her car right him.
Being so drunk, he fell down,hit his and died of hypothermia.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
Probably is.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
Or him getting in a fight with Brian Higgins,
getting his ass kicked and theythrew him outside.
Yeah, Right.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
I said Brian Higgins right.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
I think yes, yes, either way, anyway.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
Yeah, let's get started on how this all came to
be.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
I don't even know even know.
Yes, you do uh, reed ando'keefe were all drinking with a
bunch of his cop buddies, right, right, yeah a bar, yes, and
they had already been on theouts, I guess seems that they
were not on the best of terms,but even said which brings us to
one of the scenarios right shewas sending flirty text messages
(02:44):
to b Higgins.
Right.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Right, which they don't talk about a lot here.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
Which I guess is what a friend of John's Were.
They friends, yeah, okay.
I wonder who initiated that,but okay.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
It doesn't say, they don't tell us that part, because
they don't go into it that far.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
Not really at all.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
No.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
You have to dig deep for that.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
And we all know if you're sending flirty text
messages to somebody elsethere's pretty much something
going on.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
Yeah, pretty much.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
If you've done it, you've been there and done that.
If you haven't, good for you.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
You're better than we are, whoa.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
Okay, I'm talking about the people that have done
it.
I've already said I have.
I know.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
I've already said I have I know.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
I never said you did.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
I.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Weirdo.
Anyway, whoa the night he died.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
They were at a bar in Canton, massachusetts, yeah,
and they went back to it wasBrian.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
Albert's house.
Brian Albert, yes, right, itwasn't Colin Albert, anyway, no.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
Brian Albert.
Yes, right, it wasn't ColinAlbert.
Anyway, one of the Albertshouse for a part, like an after
party.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
Right and she didn't want to stay.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
She was.
They were in a fight.
Yes, she was screaming at him.
They were in a fight.
Right, I have my theories onthis.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
Sure, you do.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
I'll express them later, I'm sure you will share
them.
But that's not here now, sowe're going to go and we're
going to.
Uh, she dropped them off Rightand then took off and left.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
At some point it starts snowing Right and that's
about four o'clock in themorning.
She dropped them off about 1230.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
Uh huh.
So there's a good three and ahalf hours before it starts
snowing Right and apparentlynobody saw him ever Right, and
that's I guess that's thebiggest piece is if he was
dropping off, even if he didn'tmake it into the house between
1230 and four.
I'm assuming some other peopleleft this house.
They didn't all stay for thisparty for the entire night.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
Maybe they did, but but you have to assume they're
all intoxicated.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
But nobody saw a person lying there on the ground
.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
Well, it says in the autopsy that John O'Keefe's
blood alcohol level was 0.29.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
What does that matter about somebody else seeing him,
though?
Speaker 2 (04:56):
It doesn't matter anything about anybody else,
except for the fact that his is0.29.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
Right.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
What are everyone else's?
True, okay, good point Ifyou're with people at a
restaurant and you're gettingthat drunk.
Yeah, how drunk are thesepeople?
Speaker 3 (05:10):
right driving home.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
I see your point, yeah, right, okay I'm not saying
they were over the legal limit.
I'm not saying they're underthe legal limit, but if that's
what his was, they're probablynot under they're probably not
much off from that right justJust law of averages, right.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
Correct.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
So I don't know what the hell happens to Karen Reed.
She leaves, goes home.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
I think she went home .
Speaker 2 (05:33):
She went home.
It almost hits his SUV in thedriveway.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
How does anybody know that?
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Because on his camera on his house.
They can see her pulling in andalmost hitting his SUV.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
But no taillight was found there.
But taillight was found by JohnO'Keefe's body.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
Yeah, the full chunk of taillight.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
I think they took the whole taillight out and just
laid it next to him.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
Yeah, I mean, I saw the size of the piece of
taillight.
It's interesting.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
He died of blunt head injuries and hypothermia
hypothermia.
I get you have to be hunchedover puking on the ground to get
drilled in the head by ataillight, unless you're getting
hit by a dump truck just evenif she did hit him I don't think
it was intentional, it was shebacked up, drove away.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
I don't know that she intentionally hit him.
How fast could she have hitthis person to have done that
much damage to him?
Speaker 2 (06:30):
she was mad.
Women are a little impulsive.
They do silly things at sillytimes not the point.
When it is, it is kind of thepoint, she could have gassed it
in reverse.
He could have been standingbehind the car not allowing her
to leave because he wanted totalk to her right, and she could
have been so pissed she justgassed it in reverse.
He could have been standingbehind the car not allowing her
to leave because he wanted totalk to her Right.
And she could have been sopissed.
She just gassed it and tried torun them over.
Perfectly logical situation.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
Yeah, I saw he had scratches and stuff too, like
from animals.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
They claim it was for a dog, but I think they threw
that out.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
Well, I think, because I think the owners of
the house also had a dog.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
They did.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
So here we are.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
The other theory.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Well, the first one was that she killed him, right.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
Right.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
But I can't understand.
I can understand the taillightbreaking, but the taillight
would be away from his body, Iwould assume.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
Yeah, I wouldn't assume it would land exactly
where he was.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Otherwise she would have had to have actually run
him over.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
Yeah For that to have happened.
Right, and even yeah, I guess.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
He could have also punched the taillight as she was
leaving, because he was pissedand they were fighting broke it,
fell in the driveway.
He stumbled over, fell down,hit his head and died.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
Of hypothermia, because hit his head and died.
Okay, of hypothermia, becausehe was out there all night,
right, right, and animals cameover started picking at him
because he was still warm at thetime.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
Quickly apparently there, but yeah hey, look, I
don't know.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Uh, my thing is he they were fighting because he
found out that she was sendingmessages to another officer
which you found.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
I I had not heard that, so it's obviously not a
known.
Well, maybe it is.
I haven't followed it thatclosely.
No, it's one of the thingsthat's covered up in here.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
Right, it should have been more of an avenue.
You would think so it was BrianHiggins, brian Albert and Colin
Albert that were the threepeople that could have been that
were suspects in killing him.
Outside of Karen three people,okay, that could have been that
were suspects, okay in this inkilling him outside of.
Outside of karen reed, correct.
So here's karen reed sendingflirty and sexy text messages to
(08:33):
brian uh, higgins right right.
Who's there?
Who's on the scene?
at this party now walks in,everybody's hammered.
He started saying, hey, I wasin.
I was in a shouting match withmy girl because you're sending
her messages.
Blah, blah, blah.
Right A fight breaks out,accidents happen.
This guy's knocked out, theydrop him in the coals and let
(08:55):
him sit there until he wakes up.
He don't wake up.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
Right.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
Now what.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
Well, they're police officers.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Yes, so they can cover it all up.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
Write their own scenario.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
I shouldn't say but they have the ability.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
That's why the text messages were never really
focused in that.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
I wouldn't be surprised if Brian Higgins and
John O'Keefe got in a fightbecause of those text messages.
They beat the bejesus out ofthem, took them out in the snow,
dropped them and then blamed iton Karen Reid.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
Yeah, I mean that from I've watched the
documentary and.
I've read up on this.
There were some other thingsabout it, but yes, it could go
either way.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
You've got to go from memory it does seem like
possibly.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
He went into this house and something happened.
There was some altercation andthey left him out in the snow.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
And all three of them said he was never in the house.
That's easy to do.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
Of course.
Everybody could agree that hewasn't there.
Oh, we never saw him, not here.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
He was never here.
Oh my God, he's dead in myfront yard.
But we have video of Karen Reedbacking out of the driveway
dropping him off.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
Right.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
So you do know he was here.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
So wait.
So they had video of heractually dropping him off, but
they don't have video to seewhat actually happened to him.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
They watched the video of her driving to see if
she actually hit him.
So yes, they did.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
So how do they not know if she hit him or not?
Speaker 2 (10:25):
I don't know Because Cut off Conveniently.
There's certain parts of itthat you can't.
They lost.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
Of course they did, oh they didn't preserve the tape
.
Because it wasn't her, thenthat means that Because she
didn't delete that video, shecouldn't, it wasn't hers, it
wasn't hers.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
She was too drunk to even take video.
She couldn't, it wasn't hers,it wasn't hers.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
She was too drunk to even take video yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
She was the one that found him.
But Well, that gets me into thenext part of this and why I
think Brian Higgins is at thecore of it.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
Really.
Yes, he found out prettyquickly too.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
Because they were sending messages back and forth.
Okay, and I guarantee you,somehow, someway, one got back
to him that he's outside, he'snot moving.
You got to do something, we'llhelp you Okay.
And then they threw her underthe bus.
He didn't come home and she'sstarting to freak out Now.
She doesn't know what happened.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
Right, apparently she can't remember what happened,
right.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
Now, all of this is most likely fabricated to make
it look like everybody'sinnocent well, right, I mean
nobody's gonna own up to it,right?
No, this is like an agathachristie who done it.
We need perry mason here, uh,but that means that somehow I'm
sure he, brian higgins, didn'ttext her directly, I'm sure not.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
Not at that hour, no.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
Unless they had burner phones.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
It doesn't seem like they did, From what I've read.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
I don't think that's a thing.
He was an FBI agent.
He definitely had a burnerphone.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
Okay, so maybe he did .
But okay, it's possible, Idon't really know.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
Anyway, that being said, she comes looking for him.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
Yeah, oh, he's not home yet how?
Speaker 2 (12:09):
is he gonna get home?
His car was in his drivewaywith yours.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
Yeah, I don't really know what was he not just
sleeping one off at albert'shouse I guess maybe she thought
somebody was gonna drive himback, I don't know, but he
didn't get home that's the crazypart.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
Not only does she look crazy, I firmly believe she
is crazy.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
Okay, she was in on it what do you mean in on it I
don't know, I don't think it wasplanned.
Do you think it was plannedahead of time?
I don't think it was planned Idon't.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
I'm not saying it's planned, but she was in on it,
she knew, she knew brian higginskilled, her killed him.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
I don't know, I hadn't really thought that far
into it and she's that crazythat she would do that yeah, I
don't know.
You're right.
I I thought, oh, she's calledthis guy a hundred million times
before she went out to look forhim and she's panicking she
can't find him.
But I guess if she obviouslyknew he was already dead, she
was the one that found him shefound where she left him she
(13:03):
found him she did at 507 right Ihave never been with anyone
ever that has come to look forme when I'm not home at 507 yeah
, that's a little early.
I don't, I wouldn't 7, 30, 8o'clock.
Now he's getting close 9, 10absolutely yeah, in the car
driving around 5 am.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
Hell no.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
Probably not.
Nope, Now I'm just angry andmaybe calling or probably
sleeping, but at the same timenot out driving around looking
for you.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
You're all drunk and being stupid and trying to cover
up your tracks.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
That's what happened, okay.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
They made a mistake, they screwed up, their friend
died, and then they covered itup.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
Yeah, it's like four hours later they were all in on
it and they just left her to bethe one it wasn't murder it, it
wasn't murder no, I don't thinkit was intentional.
I don't think they meant tomurder him it was manslaughter
well, yeah higgins and o'keefedefinitely got in an altercation
.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
Ie O'Keefe got lumped .
That's why the blunt trauma tohis head fell down in the yard
and they left him there.
Then, when he didn't come backin, they go shit and he's dead.
Now what do we do?
Speaker 3 (14:18):
We'll just leave and pretend we don't know he's there
.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
You don't get blunt trauma to the head from a
taillight.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
Like I said, how fast , if you even to reverse, how
fast could she possibly havereversed into this guy?
Hitting somebody head-on, likeyou're driving down the street
and they're crossing the street,you can hit them pretty hard.
I guess, backing up like youdropped them off and you go to
back up, how fast could shepossibly have been going to back
into this person?
Speaker 2 (14:48):
Like I said when we started, 90 miles an hour, you
just gas it.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
It's not 90 miles an hour, but you go as fast as you
can, but I, I guess that's, Idon't know.
The injuries seem way worsethan what she could have done.
And why is the taillight in achunk?
Speaker 2 (15:00):
it wouldn't make.
Wouldn't it make sense that anatf agent has a, a dog that's
trained to attack?
Speaker 3 (15:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
With bite marks.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
So Higgins is the one that did it A hundred percent,
and the Alberts were in on it.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
And then the former police chief died.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
Yes, of cancer apparently.
But yes, he did Cancer, but alot of people.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
Died of COVID.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
So this is trial number two, because the first
one was what A hung jury?
Speaker 2 (15:32):
Hung jury Because it's so screwy.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
And a lot of people are not being invited back to
testify again.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
Which is crazy.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
Now what so how?
Speaker 2 (15:42):
do you even have another trial?
Speaker 3 (15:44):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
If you're not bringing back the key players
exactly you've decided.
They're not useful why are youwasting everybody's tax dollars,
which gets us, gets us back tothe justice system and the
police, which I got a lot to sayabout?
oh, yeah, always they can coverup whatever the they want yeah
and they can do whatever theywant and they can screw with
(16:06):
your life, and they do Again.
Your best bet is just not totalk to them If their mouth is
moving.
They're like credit cardcompanies and they're lying to
you.
They're lying.
They're not your friend.
They're not your friend.
They don't want to be yourfriend.
They look at you as a criminal,no matter what, and that's the
(16:26):
way they're going to put it.
So you try and give themeverything.
Oh yeah, I'll be helpful.
Just look at them, give them afinger and say suck my cock,
jeez.
Well, that's what it's gettingto at this point in time.
It's crazy.
And the fact that they can gothis far and cover everything up
, cover their tracks Right andmake everything look like
something didn't happen orhappened in a different way,
(16:47):
make sure you question theentire legal system.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
Correct.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
Anytime there's a police officer involved, any
judge has got to be under theassumption that they've doctored
statements.
Speaker 3 (16:59):
You do realize the judge is also somehow related to
the family that owns that house.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
That's why he's not allowed to be investigated.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
She.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
No.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
No, it's.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
Brian.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
Albert and Colin Albert.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
Colin Albert cannot be indicted in the murders.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
But why?
Speaker 2 (17:20):
It didn't say Shocking, it didn't tell you why
.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
Alright, the deciding judge, who's going to decide
this woman's fate?
Speaker 2 (17:27):
What was her name?
Canone.
Speaker 3 (17:29):
Beverly something.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
Let me just look it up real quick.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
But they said that she somehow has some sort of
relation with people that wereat that party that night.
She should not be the judge.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
She was If that's true.
She should not be the judge,that's correct.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
She should have reaccused herself and had to do
it.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
From day one.
Yeah, so therefore it should bea mistrial, no matter what.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
Correct.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
Mistrial.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
But somehow there she is.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
So maybe and maybe it's wrong.
Therefore, we come back around.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
We are reading information on the internet.
I could be wrong.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
Maybe I'm not correct , but well, what way do they
want us to read this?
That's why this is confusing,exactly, and compelling.
It's because they're not tryingto spin it in one person's
favor no, they're really not andwithin five minutes of reading
it, I had higgins you did yeahwhich no one has said at all.
No, I mean, he's one of thethree uh suspects.
Besides, read outside of herright and yet nobody said
anything about him.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
He's only mentioned about twice yeah, I had not
heard that name and I watchedthe documentary and everything
he had flirty messages yeah, I,I had not seen anything about
that, so that's definitely newsflirty messages was the kiss of
death right because if you sayflirty messages, there's
pictures, there's naughty thingsand there's something going on
(18:49):
true I know this because I didit.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
Oh yeah, yes, and it.
That's what happens.
And if you're exchanging flirtymessages, right you're.
Look, I don't exchange flirtymessages with very many people,
okay, when I do, it's becauseI'm flirting with you.
I mean otherwise.
Right, I don't exchange flirtymessages with very many people.
Okay, when I do, it's becauseI'm flirting with you.
Speaker 3 (19:08):
I mean right Otherwise.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
I don't even answer or respond.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
That's true, you don't respond to a lot of things
.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
So if you're responding with flirty messages,
you're looking for somethingand you want to, and that's what
that means.
Speaker 3 (19:22):
Right.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
And she's doing it with Brian Higgins.
That's why they got in a fightin the car.
Guarantee you something washappening in that bar they went
to with Brian Higgins.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
Dancing too close, talking too flirtatiously,
whatever.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
Right.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
They got in a fight in the car on the ride home, on
the ride back to the Albert'shouse, and that's what set all
of this in motion and nobodywill say anything, because
Police cover their own.
It's a po-po.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
They will make up, anything they will use.
It's incredible what waswritten about my own particular
case.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
Right.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
That wasn't fucking true.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
Right, right yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
They will write anything they fucking want.
Uh-huh, they can't takestatements over the phone, but
they will literally write.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
What you said on the phone.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
I called Ditto and he told me this over the phone
it's illegal to do that.
Yeah, they do it.
That's how brazen.
They are Right.
And these are the rights thatyou don't understand that you
have.
Yeah, and the only reason Iknow that is I called the local
police department today ask themcan you take statements over
the phone?
she's like no, we're not allowedto.
And when I asked them if Icould press charges, they said
(20:32):
you have to come down here andmake a statement.
I was like why you're on thephone with me right now?
Oh, we can't take statementsover the phone right, that's all
dumb, yeah.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
So in this whole situation I think that's kind of
why I question like is karenreed who knows?
Speaker 2 (20:48):
karen reed is involved.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
She may just be a victim of like she's not close
enough with all these policeofficers karen reed is involved
and they put her there.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
Not only that, but let me say one thing.
I've heard horrifying storiesof of the Massachusetts State
Police from a very reliablesource.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
It's incredible and what happened here if you can't
read into it.
They've all been fired.
Yeah, all the people involvedwith this have been fired from
the Massachusetts State Police,kind of crazy.
Because they protected theirown, and that's how that went.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
Right.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
But alright, there's another episode in the books.
Wow.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
Look at that.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
We'll get to more of it.
We'll see what happens withKaren Reed.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
It's a big thing right now.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
I bet you that she didn't know it was going to
happen.
But she knew it had happenedfirst and then went and tried to
help cover it up.
That's my point in this.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
She didn't do it, she didn't kill him, but she knew
about it.
She altered statements,evidence and all that stuff.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
Oof, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
It was Higgins.
That's my take on that.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
Yeah, that's all I got gotta say about that.
But okay, and that's the bottomline no, I'm not going there.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
It's stone cold, but anyway, we're at the end of the
episode all right all right guyscase.
Thanks for being here alwaysnice to have you back finally oh
boy, here we go but uh, allright guys, as always, be good,
be good.
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