April 1, 2025 • 29 mins
The credibility of the #MeToo movement hangs in the balance as celebrity controversies dominate headlines. Could high-profile cases like Blake Lively's accusations against Justin Baldoni and Amber Heard's battle with Johnny Depp be undermining the very movement meant to empower survivors?
We pull no punches examining how false allegations create devastating ripple effects for legitimate victims seeking justice. "She's ruining it for people that it actually happens to," one host observes, highlighting how opportunistic claims can silence authentic voices in need of support.
The conversation takes a surprising turn when we reveal shocking statistics from rehabilitation classes where 21 out of 29 men admitted to experiencing domestic abuse from their partners. This overlooked epidemic exists in the shadows because, as one host explains, "You're a pansy if you do" speak up about being abused. When men finally attempt to defend themselves, they often become labeled as the perpetrators - creating a damaging cycle of silence and shame.
Hollywood power dynamics feature prominently as we dissect the complex dynamics around figures like Harvey Weinstein, Ellen DeGeneres, and P. Diddy. The discussion explores how society's rush to judgment has transformed our justice system into "guilty until proven innocent" - a dangerous reversal that serves no one.
Between personal stories and cultural analysis, we challenge listeners to consider both sides of the equation: believing victims while acknowledging the real damage caused by false accusations. The stakes couldn't be higher for a movement that has empowered countless survivors but now faces a critical credibility test.
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Speaker 2 (00:12):
Hey everybody, welcome to Saki Toomey.
Hey everybody, it's Ditto.
We're back, Saki Toomey,connecting people to people, and
have you heard Hashtag me?
Me Too ain't so lively.
I got Casey here with me.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
Hi everyone.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
And we're gonna get into.
We're gonna like just sink ourteeth right into this.
Screw it.
Here we go, Screw it.
Amber Heard and Blake Livelyhave basically destroyed Hashtag
Me Too.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Yeah, I don't know that they're helping it at all,
that's for sure.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Why not?
Speaker 1 (00:45):
Because they're kind of.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Stupid, yeah, morons, idiots Retards Most women.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
Oh, that's, I slipped into this.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Stop generalizing the .
You know all women doeverything.
This is not a generalizationfor all women, because there are
women out there that arefucking wonderful for all women,
because there are women outthere that are fucking wonderful
, exactly.
But this does shed a light.
It makes you ask yourself washarvey weinstein wrong?
Speaker 1 (01:10):
yeah, I don't know a ton about the harvey weinstein
thing, but it did seem a littleodd.
It's one of those everythingcomes out, one person says
something and all of a suddeneverybody jumps on the bandwagon
even with diddy, things cameout all of a sudden.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
People are just hopping on there.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
And some things are legit, I think, and some things
are not necessarily.
And that's kind of the problem,that you can kind of say
anything and because of this MeToo movement it's allowed.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Once you say it's there, it's like stone.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
Yeah, you can't take it back.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
You can't take it back and people will believe it
Pretty much Right yeah?
Speaker 1 (01:45):
yeah, like even ellen degenerate should be involved
in this ellen.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
She ruined people's lives.
How did ellen ruin people'slives?
Well, she killed ann hache.
What she literally drove.
She laid down the road so annhache would swerve and crash
into a pole and die wow, I'mpretty sure you made that up I
totally made that up yeah yes, Idid, but I'm not far off uh,
it's close to that I feel.
Look, I feel like there's aline in hollywood that you just
if you need something done andyou're powerful enough in
Hollywood, you can have it done.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
Yeah, but what's the benefit?
What was the benefit of thatfor her?
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Well, Paul Walker's dead because of Haiti.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
Of Diddy.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
No Haiti and Clinton.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
Oh, okay.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
And Anne Heche is dead because of Ellen.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
Yeah, but why?
Speaker 2 (02:20):
She's probably into I don't know, but she's probably
into moving kids aroundsomewhere.
Moving kids around.
Maybe she's into, like, helpingto foster children.
I don't know, but either way,Okay, there's probably something
on her, but how come nobodyliked to work with her?
Speaker 1 (02:34):
Ellen, yeah, is that true.
I didn't know that.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
There are so many people that hate Ellen.
Really, I guess I didn't knowthat that I always liked alan on
tv, but they praised her forbeing the first woman to come
out openly gay.
Yeah, on tv, right with annhage, right, wasn't?
Well, she was with ann hagewhen it happened?
Yes, but ann hage was bisexualokay so that doesn't count yeah
well, I mean it counts.
Don't get me wrong, but Ibisexual people are becoming
(02:59):
more and more today, but that'sanother story, uh but there was
somebody else that came out gayfirst.
Now I forget who it was.
I read this the other day ohboy, and they ostracized her and
she's no longer in hollywood,and then they praised ellen
really who the hell was it?
Speaker 1 (03:16):
I didn't, I don't know these pieces oh no, you
know what it was.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
You know what it was?
Rosie o'donnell.
Oh, it was, rosie o'donnellsaid that first well, she's
still and she got condemned fora while.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
And then Ellen comes out and she's just, you know,
glorified, yeah, what's thedifference?
Speaker 1 (03:33):
I have no idea.
I always liked Ellen, but Idon't know her as a person.
I just saw her TV show, thoughtshe was funny.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
She dances like a guy that can't dance.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
Well, that's what's funny about it.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
That's not funny at all.
It's really not.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
I think it's funny.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Well, she's trying to make it funny and people laugh
at her because they don't wantto be offensive to gay people.
Seriously, she's gettingentertainment and laughs and
stuff because she was gay andshe was the first one.
So you have to like now, whatdo I say Now?
What do I say Am Now?
What do I say Now?
What do I say Am I supposed tosay this?
What do I do?
So now the confusion sets in.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
Right, and you're like what the?
Speaker 2 (04:08):
fuck and these pronouns.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
Oh boy.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
I just want to be referred to as pronoun.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
Oh, stop it, We've already had that Pronoun does
this?
Right.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
Stupid, but at the same time it's funny how things
happened around her.
Things happened around her.
And then there was an interviewthe other day with Megyn Kelly
and Rob.
Schneider.
Okay, and they were talkingabout it, and Rob Schneider was
saying that Ellen was the worstperson to work with.
Now here's Rob Schneider, whohas notoriously been, I wouldn't
say difficult, but honest.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
And because he was honest about things, they didn't
like him.
Yet he's in with Adam Sandler,who everyone wants to work with.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Exactly yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
Adam Sandler's like no, you're a good dude.
So at that point, what's goingon?
Speaker 1 (04:51):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
And here he comes and he's saying she was a horrible
person.
She does this and she'scomplaining that she's
blacklisted from Hollywood.
Well, you're probablyblacklisted for a reason at this
point because there's so muchgoing on.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
Yeah, didn't she move out of the country?
Speaker 2 (05:08):
They all did, a lot of people did.
They all moved at one point oranother.
I don't know that they moved,but they left for a while, even
Jay-Z and Beyonce and all thatstuff.
But let's get back to thehashtag Me Too and how Blake
Lively has literally ruined it.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
Yeah, has literally ruined it.
Yeah, I liked Blake Lively,ryan Reynolds.
I thought they were amazing.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
He's trying to get out of it they're going to be
divorced by the end of this year.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
I happen to think he was part of this and I think
that she probably did somethingor was maybe flirting with this
guy, I don't really know and hewanted to put a stop to it.
And I think they did notrealize that their accusations
were going to be backed up, thatJustin Baldoni basically came
out and was like oh, that's nothow this happened.
Look, I have proof, I can showyou all these things.
(05:53):
Oh, this scene that you'resaying, you know, was so
terrible and I was saying thesethings.
I actually do have the words.
You can hear what we weresaying to each other.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
It wasn could hear what we were saying to each
other.
It wasn't bad.
I they didn't think she was toonaive to think that anybody
would do that.
And that's where men are goingnow, right, men are going to
back themselves up to say listen, women are gaslighters some men
are too stupid to remember theyreally are.
It's like we don't have enoughmental capacity to sit there,
remember shit and then turnaround and use it against you.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
We're not that bright yeah, I mean, some people are
in order to defend ourselves.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
Now we have to take video, and I have a friend in
one of my classes okay that isdivorced now because he was
being beaten.
Really, yes, he was in a toxicrelationship and he was being
beaten by the woman.
The woman had the balls to goout to the police and say he
hits me, he hits me.
They're watching the video andthey're like I think he's the
(06:51):
one that's being beaten here.
She got arrested.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
Yeah, that should be how that is.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
That's because that's generally what happens, and in
these classes, said classes, I'mnoticing it more and more, and
nobody takes notice of men beingbeaten.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
Well, most men don't really say it, right.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
It's exactly the opposite of hashtag Me Too, and
I know that hashtag Me Tooincludes it to be everyone, but
men are beaten more than womenand it goes unrecorded and
unpoliced.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
Right yeah, hashtag Me Too, was more about women.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
Oh 100%.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
So it definitely was.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
And then they pooped it out of their vaginas.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
Ew what.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
Okay, well, that's what they did.
Anyway, keep going.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
Wow, yeah, but I think men don't really come out
and say that very often.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
There's no way to say it.
You're a pansy if you do Like Iwas beaten and I made jokes out
of it.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
Exactly.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Because, oh, I must have deserved it.
Yeah, I'm a man.
If I wanted to, I'd beat thecrap out of her true, right so
that, but that's the thing.
So then, it's funny when youget beaten, because what do you
say?
Oh, I gotta be, I'm so, I'm soscared of her no, you don't say
that well.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
Is that on the woman, though, or is it on the men
that have created this situation?
Speaker 2 (08:07):
where it's not, it's on both parties to say it it's
on both parties and it's basedon society and the way you're
raised.
Men are taught to not say thatstuff and you know that doesn't
happen.
You can't say it, you're gonnalook like a pansy right, don't
cry, don't so women have oftentaken advantage of it, and it's
becoming more apparent, more andmore apparent, that that has
happened I don't know that it'sthat they're taking advantage of
(08:28):
it again.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
I think it's oh god yeah, happens, that, just hasn't
been spoken about they'retaking advantage of it, and
that's what.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
That's why blake lively is ruining it.
She tried to take advantage ofit and fucking lost, because men
are wising up to it.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
Yeah, she hasn't lost yet.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
But she's not looking good.
Oh my God, please, you don'tneed a magic eight ball for this
one.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
Yeah, like I said, why have guys created it?
That it's not okay to talkabout that stuff.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
I don't know why I was just taught that way.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
Because if it's said to me, I'm not automatically
going to assume you're lyingabout it.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Because you're supposed to project a strong
personality and family society.
So you don't sit there and sayyour wife beat you, you back her
up.
That's what we were taught.
You always back up your ladyand then when your woman hits
you.
That's not right.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
Right, I agree.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
And then she can just run out and claim rape, and
that's it.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
You didn't even have to do it soon, as she claimed it
.
You're fucked, you're fucked.
Yeah, it doesn't get taken backit doesn't get taken back.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
So and it's like this is what people are doing
because they think they can getaway with it, and by people I
mean.
I'm sure there's situations inthe gay community where either
men or women, men and men, womenand women have the same things
going on, and they do it.
So people will use it, becauseonce you yell it out, that's
what it is.
So you're really guilty untilproven innocent in this country.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
I do agree with that.
The guilty until proveninnocent.
I think it's just,unfortunately, the way that the
society has made it recently.
That that's it didn't used tobe like that, but that's how
everything's treated now.
But I don't think this isnecessarily a men and women
thing.
I think that it is a man and Idon't think, but it's all people
have it in their mind thatthey're going to lie about it
and get something from it.
(10:09):
I think there's probably apercentage of people that have
done that, but I don't thinkespecially in the famous you
know celebrity view of it what'sthe percentage?
Uh, I don't know the percentage.
They say like only one percentof people lie about.
It is what I researched andfound but who's they?
The whoever did the research onit.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
So I don't know who that person, those people are
I'm going to stand out hereright now and say they're
fucking wrong.
Only one people, only onepercent of the people, tell the
truth I think that can'tpossibly be true.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
I don't think that's true I think it's 100.
True, but that's just me well,I, I'm not gonna agree on that.
That's a very, very lowpercentage of honest people and
I don't think that's true noshit, if you can gain something
from somewhere, wouldn't you doit?
But not everything is a gain onthis.
So yes, in the celebrity world,obviously har Harvey Weinstein
comes out.
Now, mind you, everybody lovedHarvey Weinstein.
There are Nobody People wouldget up and thank him at every
(11:04):
single thing they did.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
No, that was they were taught to do, that Harvey
Weinstein is not a good humanbeing.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
I'm not saying he is.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
He is a dirtbag and I am totally judging that book by
its cover.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
A hundred percent because we do not know these
people.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
But you can tell by his eyes, his face and his
mannerisms and everything thathe was just not well liked as a
youngster.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
Right.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
And once he had this ability to have relations with
all these gorgeous women Right,he took advantage of it, yeah,
but there's a flip side to thatcoin.
Those girls wanted it becausethey wanted a part in a movie.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
Exactly.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
So they did it.
So they were doing it, youcannot turn around after that
and say, oh, he raped me.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
No, if you're in agreement at the time, that's
not rape.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
Well, it's not necessarily agreement.
It's not agreement.
I could walk up to you rightnow, open my fly and say if you
want to be on this podcast, helpme out.
You have to then decide whetheror not to do it correct.
I'm not forcing you to do it,but most of them did it because
they felt that if they didn't,they wouldn't get a part right,
so they did it willingly.
It wasn't like he shoved hispenis in their mouth no so at
(12:10):
what point is that?
that's more sexual harassment,sexual assault maybe oh, I, I'm
not sitting here telling youharvey weinstein is right so but
how are the women?
Speaker 1 (12:20):
they chose to do it so I don't know exactly I mean,
every situation obviously is itsown situation.
I think it has been shown evenwith diddy.
Everybody, all these peoplecame out right and said he did
this to me, he did that to me,and then there are already ones
that have gone away becausethey've been proven.
Oh, that didn't really happen.
So, yes, some of it happened.
But some people come out andthink, oh, I can gain from this,
(12:42):
so I should sue them too andsay I did it too.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
There's always truth to every story, one way or
another.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
Maybe a bit of truth.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
No, every story starts from somewhere.
It's usually like whatever.
There's a beginning of that,and then it's a game of
telephone and everything gets uh, embellished and it becomes
bigger than it really is.
And here we are now.
We don't know what is true andwhat is false no, we have no
idea I guarantee you did he'sguilty also oh, I'm not saying
(13:10):
he's not guilty.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
I'm not either, was not what I was saying no, with
all that vaseline or baby oil,whatever it was, baby oil.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
You are definitely guilty, man man.
You should be guilty on babyoil alone.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
Nobody needs that much baby oil, no one.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
Unless you're using it for something and everything,
something so weird, weirdthings happened around him.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Weird things that shouldn't be happening.
If you're not doing anythingwrong, these weird things don't
happen around you yeah.
So where was I going to go here?
I said something aboutsomething before.
No, it was before that.
I said something to you a whileago on this show and I forgot
what it was.
Now I had it and all right,it'll come back to me.
(13:49):
But, um, because weinstein, uh,doesn't matter, keep going.
Blake lively has ruined a lotfor women.
No matter matter the outcome ofthis.
She better not lose Because,after Amanda Heard against
Johnny Depp, this is going tokick it in the dick and it's
going to discredit womeneverywhere for anything they've
(14:10):
ever said.
Because now you have twodifferent cases high profile
cases that you can point to.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
But again, it doesn't mean that just because she's
wrong, I agree.
I don't think Blake Lively isgoing to win this one.
I think she's making everybodylook really bad.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
You're missing the point.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
It does not mean it's the same for every single
person.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
You're right, but now there's a different thought
about it.
So you've ruined it for peoplethat it actually happens to.
You're hurting the people that,where it actually happens,
you're hurting them because youare so greedy.
And oh, and, by the way, blakeLively slept with him.
What 100%, 100%.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
That's why you think that.
Well, maybe it's because theydid.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
She slept with him and then felt guilty about it,
and then this came out.
I do that's how it all started.
Yeah, I mean, she probably gotdrunk one night slept with him
and then felt, and now she'strying to cover it up.
Ryan, Ryan, we should have themovie rights.
I want to be in the MarvelUniverse.
That's why Ryan's trying to getout of it.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
What do you mean he's trying to get out of?
Speaker 2 (15:03):
The lawsuit and everything.
They're going to be divorced.
They'll be divorced by the endof the year.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
You keep saying that she slept with him.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
Except he put in a movie, she slept with him and
she's trying.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
He made comments about jokes about it in his
movies and stuff, like hedefinitely incorporated things
where he probably should nothave.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
Why wouldn't you?
You have your own reputation toprotect.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
I guess, but I don't know.
I think it's in bad taste.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
I didn't say it was in good taste.
I would have called her outright away.
No, she slept with this guy.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
That's why we're getting divorced and she
deserves what she gets.
He had been defending her soYou're supposed to defend your
wife.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
You're supposed to, but he's in a position where
that's not cool and I believe helost his spot in Wrexham he
lost his spot like he doesn'town it anymore.
No, I think he took it awayfrom him.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
No way, because of this.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
I didn't read the article, but I saw a headline
like that and I have to lookmore into it.
I don't know if I'm right onthat, so don't quote me, but I
did see something about himlosing his spot at Wrexham.
Maybe they just demoted him.
He's not primary owner anymore,he's like a shareholder.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
I had not seen that anywhere, but I can't say if
it's true or false.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
He's beginning to lose endorsements, he's losing
his favor in Hollywood andthat's sad because I love Ryan.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
Reynolds, I don't think he's blameless in this
situation is kind of what I'msaying.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
Blake Lively is Jada Pinkett Smith only white.
It's a rough one.
I'm not sure who's white andwho's black, but anyway, jada
Pinkett Smith Only white.
Oof, it's a rough one.
I'm not sure who's white andwho's black, but anyway, jada
Pinkett Smith sucks.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
Yeah, nobody really likes her.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
And Blake Lively never really did anything for me
and she always had the crazyeyes.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
Crazy eyes.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
Oh, people have crazy eyes that you can just see Like
oh, you're a little off.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
You're a little off.
You're a little off, as goodlooking as she is.
If she looks right at thecamera, you get a weird I call
it a shot of adrenaline andyou're like I want to fight you
never noticed that about her yougotta put yourself on defense.
What with Ryan Reynolds?
You look at him and you're likeI want to have sex with you
that's what you think when yousee Ryan Reynolds fuck.
Yeah, he's hot as fuck wow he'sa good looking dude, but blake
(17:19):
lively is good looking herself Iagree right, but she's got that
crazy part to her.
It's like that's why ryanreynolds is with her, because
she probably has amazing sex.
Crazy people have amazing sex.
You've seen that chart I'veseen it there's.
There's a ratio to crazy andsex in the bed, in the bedroom
where it's like, oh the crazyyou are, the better you are at
sex.
The less crazy you are, themore vanilla it is.
(17:40):
So everybody.
That's why you want to have funwith the crazy ones and then
marry.
This, you know the vanilla onesor let's go with a vanilla
chocolate or, you know,strawberry.
At this point, who cares theneapolitan ones?
Let's.
Let's include with vanillachocolate or strawberry.
At this point, who cares theNeapolitan ones?
Let's include all colors.
We're not trying to leavepeople out.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
Oh my.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
God, I'm an idiot.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
So I don't know.
I know you had referenced atone point that the whole Me Too
thing had to do with women'srights and all of that.
I don't know.
No, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
No, I don't think it really.
That's not what I said.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
I don't think it stems from any of that.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
The hashtag MeToo had to do with a lot with women
being suppressed for a long time.
That's a true story, and what Isaid was they got their chance
to make their point and theywent too fast, too soon and
they're doing it now.
They're ruining it forthemselves because it's like all
right, you got your time, youhave this ability now to kind of
(18:38):
control things.
And you guys had like 20 years,just so, isn't what you
actually said about guys notwanting to speak up.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
Doesn't that almost kind of say it's for both men
and women?
Then?
Speaker 2 (18:50):
That's why guys are speaking up, though, because all
these people are coming out andlying about it some no well,
yes, yes, yes, you're rightsorry, some can't say all but
the ones that are lying about itare becoming more and more high
profile, and that's what'skilling everything.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
Well, and that's why have you heard Hashtag?
Speaker 2 (19:14):
me too Ain't so lively.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
I know you think you're pretty creative with that
one.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
I want that to take flight.
Not only am I pretty creativewith that one, that's fucking
stand up exactly what'shappening.
It should take off, and if itdoesn't, that's on you guys, oh
yeah, we better pick that one upand run with it.
But yeah, here we are.
Uh, in my, in those classes Iwas speaking of earlier, it
(19:41):
there's, there's two differentclasses and there's 13 and 1 and
16 and the other and they'reall men all men, uh, all men
okay which is odd because thetwo leaders are women.
That part is, there's fourleaders all together.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
Odd because the two leaders are women.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
That part is odd.
There's four leaders altogether.
Three out of the four are women.
You put all these men in a roomwith women.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
Right, that is odd, that's not bright.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
That's a dumb ass move.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
You would think if it was going to be all men, they
would have men instructors aswell.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
Correct, and the one guy that we have is not really
going to overtake anybody.
Who knows?
Maybe he knows all kinds ofjujitsu, I don't know, but he's
just a nice guy.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
And the woman's not really going to put up much of a
fight, I don't think, against16 people and he's not going to
be able to help?
Speaker 1 (20:27):
Are you expecting something crazy to break out
against these women?
Speaker 2 (20:29):
I just don't know why you would do this.
Whoever's running this thingthinks this is a good idea
because it is for rehabilitationokay, all right.
So a lot of these guys that arein here are actual hardened
thugs and criminals, right?
Okay but why would you putthese people in harm's way
unless you know they're reallynot criminals and you're just
(20:51):
trying to make a buck?
I don't think that's what it is,but Well, anyway, in these
classes, every single one ofthem.
So that's what?
16 and 13 is 29?
There's 29 people in theseclasses, the two classes.
At least 21 of them haveadmitted to being beaten by
their spouse or girlfriend, orwhatever 21 of them 21 of them.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
That seems like a lot .
Speaker 2 (21:13):
Unfortunately it does .
You're right, wow, but this ishappening, this is going on, and
women are covert.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
Not all women are covert.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
No, not all women are covert.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
Men are also covert.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
I don't disagree with you, but I don't think men are
smart enough to be covert, andif they are, they are probably
also narcissists.
That being said, why would youput all these men in a room with
three girls and one dude?
Speaker 1 (21:42):
I don't understand it .
Speaker 2 (21:43):
It really doesn't make any sense.
Not only that, but theseclasses don't even do anything.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
Yeah, I don't necessarily understand them, but
I am surprised by the numberthat claim they're abused.
That's insane.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
But that's just in these two classes.
That's not outside ofeverything.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
But do you think outside of these classes?
You even know 21 people thathave been abused.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
Abso-fucking-lutely.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
I don't know that I do.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
I can pretty much point out a girl that beats
their husband.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
Really.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
Yes, I shouldn't say husband, a girl that beats their
husband Really.
Yes, I shouldn't say husbandGirl that beats their spouse,
their significant other,whatever you want to call it,
whatever label you want to puton it yeah, you could tell.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
You could tell, because you get uncomfortable
around them and there's a couple.
You could tell that there's acouple that you really don't
want to be there because they'renot friendly.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
Right.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
And every time they come here it's like awkward that
woman beats her husband.
Maybe, and that's the husband'sfault for being so passive.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
I'm not going to say blame game on any of it.
Who knows?
I don't know the situation?
I don't think it's appropriateto hit anybody, so I don't.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
Well, it's not appropriate to hit anybody and
it's funny that men do get hitand when they hit back they
become the perpetrator.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
Right.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
I've asked the entire time if it's because I was
brought up like that.
From my childhood I was ahorrible, horrible child,
horrible.
My mother, god bless my mother,I'm not even kidding.
My mother was always at wit'send with me.
I can imagine Always, always,always, and she would throw
things at me, hit me with spoons.
She would.
(23:15):
And I wonder sometimes if Igrew up.
Just, I love my mother.
My mother did not abuse me, no,she was just like I'm fucking
eating right now.
I'm never getting.
Oreos again.
But having said that, she wasat wit's end, she took it out.
Her frustration she took it outof me is punishment right,
(23:36):
right and back.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
Then that was okay there's nothing wrong with that.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
Beat you right no, she did not really beat.
I got hit a lot because I was ahorrible child, right?
This is a case where I actuallydeserve to be hit.
I was acting out being a fooland she needed to keep me in
line and I'm glad she didDiscipline right it was
discipline.
Yes, it wasn't that.
She just woke up in the morning, drank a bottle of whiskey and
(24:00):
then slapped me around, oh jeez.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
No, it was like.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
I woke up in the morning, had Lucky Charms and
then had two Oreos and drove hernuts for the rest of the day
Pretty drove her nuts.
For the rest of the day Prettymuch, and in the middle at lunch
I had a Coca-Cola Added in somemore sugar.
Yes, and she had to deal withit, so I don't blame her Right
Right Now.
Did that translate into myadulthood, where I still do the
same things and when I get hitI'm like I deserved it?
Speaker 1 (24:27):
I don't know.
I don't think it's the samething.
I think your parentsdisciplining you is a very
different situation.
You were not beaten.
It was not like you were abused.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
I was beaten.
Yes, I wasn't abused as a childI was beaten, but I wasn't
abused.
There's a difference A spankingis a beating.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
It's discipline.
Yeah, but it's not abuse.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
But I think kids that are abused abused I think maybe
they would be more accustomedto thinking it's more normal in
the future, or something.
I don't think what you'reexplaining is a reasoning for it
.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
I but I don't know, I'm not a psychiatrist well then
, why do I call my mother foreverything?
Because she drops everythingand goes and does it when my
significant other doesn't do it.
Because that's what I'mconditioned to.
That's why I'm asking thisquestion right, I hear what
you're saying.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
I just I don't know, and I I have no idea.
That's what I said.
I don't know what, if that's areal thing or not, but I don't
think it's ever appropriate asan adult to hit your significant
other or anything.
I don't think there's a reasonfor that ever I was beaten as an
adult so in my marriage rightlike I wasn't ever beaten before
(25:32):
.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
That.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
Exactly.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
That's crazy.
So, I'm obnoxious in everyrelationship I'm ever in.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
You are obnoxious in general.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
yes, Yep, and the only one I was ever beaten in
was the marriage.
She didn't even beat me beforethat.
She took it out on the wallsand the door and all that stuff,
but not me, right.
We get married and she startspunching me in the face yeah,
it's not okay.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
It wasn't okay.
I don't think it's ever okayfor anybody girl, guy, anything.
I don't think it's okay nowomen.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
Men never hit women.
You shouldn't.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
If you do, you're a dick, I don't I have done it
same way on the other side.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
I have done it, though, which is the worst part.
I feel awful about it, but it'sstanding up for yourself and
protecting yourself at somepoint right, it's almost like
self-defense it's self-defenseright, it's not like you came
out and did that first.
Yeah, you're defending yourselfI don't want to sit here and act
like I'm proud of it.
It needed to be done.
It was assertiveness.
It's like stop doing this.
I've asked you a thousand timesnot to do this to me.
(26:31):
I'm tired of it.
I've had enough.
That's it right.
As soon as I did that, I gotthe divorce papers right because
she found out who I she knew.
I knew who she was and that'swhat happened.
But there are a lot of men likethis, a lot of men that just
bottle up, they don't sayanything and it goes badly and
it may end up leading to a lifeof crime, abandonment, all that
(26:53):
stuff.
Everybody needs to start payingattention to this, and Blake
Lively is ruining it for women.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
So that's how we got here because she, basically, is
accusing somebody of doingsomething that I don't think
really happened she had sex withhim.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
she's embarrassed.
She doesn't want Ryan Reynoldsto find out.
She's creating a story, shethinks she can get away with it
and he's like middle finger.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
Right.
Here's the proof that it's notlike that.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
And good for him.
I know right this needs tohappen at some point and it was
only a matter of time.
Yeah, and I said to you a Maybetoo much, too fast, too soon.
I agree, it's a lot ofresponsibility to have for
people that don't know how towield it.
Very true.
It's crazy, because if I needhelp with anything, who do I
call?
Speaker 1 (27:40):
Me.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
A woman, a woman.
Women are much more superior.
Anyway, that being said, we'reout of time.
All right Case.
Thanks for being here with me.
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Anytime.
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have you heard Hashtag me?
Me Too ain't so lively.
I got Casey here with me.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
Hi everyone.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
And we're gonna get into.
We're gonna like just sink ourteeth right into this.
Screw it.
Here we go, Screw it.
Amber Heard and Blake Livelyhave basically destroyed Hashtag
Me Too.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Yeah, I don't know that they're helping it at all,
that's for sure.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Why not?
Speaker 1 (00:45):
Because they're kind of.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Stupid, yeah, morons, idiots Retards Most women.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
Oh, that's, I slipped into this.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Stop generalizing the .
You know all women doeverything.
This is not a generalizationfor all women, because there are
women out there that arefucking wonderful for all women,
because there are women outthere that are fucking wonderful
, exactly.
But this does shed a light.
It makes you ask yourself washarvey weinstein wrong?
Speaker 1 (01:10):
yeah, I don't know a ton about the harvey weinstein
thing, but it did seem a littleodd.
It's one of those everythingcomes out, one person says
something and all of a suddeneverybody jumps on the bandwagon
even with diddy, things cameout all of a sudden.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
People are just hopping on there.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
And some things are legit, I think, and some things
are not necessarily.
And that's kind of the problem,that you can kind of say
anything and because of this MeToo movement it's allowed.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Once you say it's there, it's like stone.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
Yeah, you can't take it back.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
You can't take it back and people will believe it
Pretty much Right yeah?
Speaker 1 (01:45):
yeah, like even ellen degenerate should be involved
in this ellen.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
She ruined people's lives.
How did ellen ruin people'slives?
Well, she killed ann hache.
What she literally drove.
She laid down the road so annhache would swerve and crash
into a pole and die wow, I'mpretty sure you made that up I
totally made that up yeah yes, Idid, but I'm not far off uh,
it's close to that I feel.
Look, I feel like there's aline in hollywood that you just
if you need something done andyou're powerful enough in
Hollywood, you can have it done.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
Yeah, but what's the benefit?
What was the benefit of thatfor her?
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Well, Paul Walker's dead because of Haiti.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
Of Diddy.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
No Haiti and Clinton.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
Oh, okay.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
And Anne Heche is dead because of Ellen.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
Yeah, but why?
Speaker 2 (02:20):
She's probably into I don't know, but she's probably
into moving kids aroundsomewhere.
Moving kids around.
Maybe she's into, like, helpingto foster children.
I don't know, but either way,Okay, there's probably something
on her, but how come nobodyliked to work with her?
Speaker 1 (02:34):
Ellen, yeah, is that true.
I didn't know that.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
There are so many people that hate Ellen.
Really, I guess I didn't knowthat that I always liked alan on
tv, but they praised her forbeing the first woman to come
out openly gay.
Yeah, on tv, right with annhage, right, wasn't?
Well, she was with ann hagewhen it happened?
Yes, but ann hage was bisexualokay so that doesn't count yeah
well, I mean it counts.
Don't get me wrong, but Ibisexual people are becoming
(02:59):
more and more today, but that'sanother story, uh but there was
somebody else that came out gayfirst.
Now I forget who it was.
I read this the other day ohboy, and they ostracized her and
she's no longer in hollywood,and then they praised ellen
really who the hell was it?
Speaker 1 (03:16):
I didn't, I don't know these pieces oh no, you
know what it was.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
You know what it was?
Rosie o'donnell.
Oh, it was, rosie o'donnellsaid that first well, she's
still and she got condemned fora while.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
And then Ellen comes out and she's just, you know,
glorified, yeah, what's thedifference?
Speaker 1 (03:33):
I have no idea.
I always liked Ellen, but Idon't know her as a person.
I just saw her TV show, thoughtshe was funny.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
She dances like a guy that can't dance.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
Well, that's what's funny about it.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
That's not funny at all.
It's really not.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
I think it's funny.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Well, she's trying to make it funny and people laugh
at her because they don't wantto be offensive to gay people.
Seriously, she's gettingentertainment and laughs and
stuff because she was gay andshe was the first one.
So you have to like now, whatdo I say Now?
What do I say Am Now?
What do I say Now?
What do I say Am I supposed tosay this?
What do I do?
So now the confusion sets in.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
Right, and you're like what the?
Speaker 2 (04:08):
fuck and these pronouns.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
Oh boy.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
I just want to be referred to as pronoun.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
Oh, stop it, We've already had that Pronoun does
this?
Right.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
Stupid, but at the same time it's funny how things
happened around her.
Things happened around her.
And then there was an interviewthe other day with Megyn Kelly
and Rob.
Schneider.
Okay, and they were talkingabout it, and Rob Schneider was
saying that Ellen was the worstperson to work with.
Now here's Rob Schneider, whohas notoriously been, I wouldn't
say difficult, but honest.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
And because he was honest about things, they didn't
like him.
Yet he's in with Adam Sandler,who everyone wants to work with.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Exactly yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
Adam Sandler's like no, you're a good dude.
So at that point, what's goingon?
Speaker 1 (04:51):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
And here he comes and he's saying she was a horrible
person.
She does this and she'scomplaining that she's
blacklisted from Hollywood.
Well, you're probablyblacklisted for a reason at this
point because there's so muchgoing on.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
Yeah, didn't she move out of the country?
Speaker 2 (05:08):
They all did, a lot of people did.
They all moved at one point oranother.
I don't know that they moved,but they left for a while, even
Jay-Z and Beyonce and all thatstuff.
But let's get back to thehashtag Me Too and how Blake
Lively has literally ruined it.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
Yeah, has literally ruined it.
Yeah, I liked Blake Lively,ryan Reynolds.
I thought they were amazing.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
He's trying to get out of it they're going to be
divorced by the end of this year.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
I happen to think he was part of this and I think
that she probably did somethingor was maybe flirting with this
guy, I don't really know and hewanted to put a stop to it.
And I think they did notrealize that their accusations
were going to be backed up, thatJustin Baldoni basically came
out and was like oh, that's nothow this happened.
Look, I have proof, I can showyou all these things.
(05:53):
Oh, this scene that you'resaying, you know, was so
terrible and I was saying thesethings.
I actually do have the words.
You can hear what we weresaying to each other.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
It wasn could hear what we were saying to each
other.
It wasn't bad.
I they didn't think she was toonaive to think that anybody
would do that.
And that's where men are goingnow, right, men are going to
back themselves up to say listen, women are gaslighters some men
are too stupid to remember theyreally are.
It's like we don't have enoughmental capacity to sit there,
remember shit and then turnaround and use it against you.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
We're not that bright yeah, I mean, some people are
in order to defend ourselves.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
Now we have to take video, and I have a friend in
one of my classes okay that isdivorced now because he was
being beaten.
Really, yes, he was in a toxicrelationship and he was being
beaten by the woman.
The woman had the balls to goout to the police and say he
hits me, he hits me.
They're watching the video andthey're like I think he's the
(06:51):
one that's being beaten here.
She got arrested.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
Yeah, that should be how that is.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
That's because that's generally what happens, and in
these classes, said classes, I'mnoticing it more and more, and
nobody takes notice of men beingbeaten.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
Well, most men don't really say it, right.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
It's exactly the opposite of hashtag Me Too, and
I know that hashtag Me Tooincludes it to be everyone, but
men are beaten more than womenand it goes unrecorded and
unpoliced.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
Right yeah, hashtag Me Too, was more about women.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
Oh 100%.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
So it definitely was.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
And then they pooped it out of their vaginas.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
Ew what.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
Okay, well, that's what they did.
Anyway, keep going.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
Wow, yeah, but I think men don't really come out
and say that very often.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
There's no way to say it.
You're a pansy if you do Like Iwas beaten and I made jokes out
of it.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
Exactly.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Because, oh, I must have deserved it.
Yeah, I'm a man.
If I wanted to, I'd beat thecrap out of her true, right so
that, but that's the thing.
So then, it's funny when youget beaten, because what do you
say?
Oh, I gotta be, I'm so, I'm soscared of her no, you don't say
that well.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
Is that on the woman, though, or is it on the men
that have created this situation?
Speaker 2 (08:07):
where it's not, it's on both parties to say it it's
on both parties and it's basedon society and the way you're
raised.
Men are taught to not say thatstuff and you know that doesn't
happen.
You can't say it, you're gonnalook like a pansy right, don't
cry, don't so women have oftentaken advantage of it, and it's
becoming more apparent, more andmore apparent, that that has
happened I don't know that it'sthat they're taking advantage of
(08:28):
it again.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
I think it's oh god yeah, happens, that, just hasn't
been spoken about they'retaking advantage of it, and
that's what.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
That's why blake lively is ruining it.
She tried to take advantage ofit and fucking lost, because men
are wising up to it.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
Yeah, she hasn't lost yet.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
But she's not looking good.
Oh my God, please, you don'tneed a magic eight ball for this
one.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
Yeah, like I said, why have guys created it?
That it's not okay to talkabout that stuff.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
I don't know why I was just taught that way.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
Because if it's said to me, I'm not automatically
going to assume you're lyingabout it.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Because you're supposed to project a strong
personality and family society.
So you don't sit there and sayyour wife beat you, you back her
up.
That's what we were taught.
You always back up your ladyand then when your woman hits
you.
That's not right.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
Right, I agree.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
And then she can just run out and claim rape, and
that's it.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
You didn't even have to do it soon, as she claimed it
.
You're fucked, you're fucked.
Yeah, it doesn't get taken backit doesn't get taken back.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
So and it's like this is what people are doing
because they think they can getaway with it, and by people I
mean.
I'm sure there's situations inthe gay community where either
men or women, men and men, womenand women have the same things
going on, and they do it.
So people will use it, becauseonce you yell it out, that's
what it is.
So you're really guilty untilproven innocent in this country.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
I do agree with that.
The guilty until proveninnocent.
I think it's just,unfortunately, the way that the
society has made it recently.
That that's it didn't used tobe like that, but that's how
everything's treated now.
But I don't think this isnecessarily a men and women
thing.
I think that it is a man and Idon't think, but it's all people
have it in their mind thatthey're going to lie about it
and get something from it.
(10:09):
I think there's probably apercentage of people that have
done that, but I don't thinkespecially in the famous you
know celebrity view of it what'sthe percentage?
Uh, I don't know the percentage.
They say like only one percentof people lie about.
It is what I researched andfound but who's they?
The whoever did the research onit.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
So I don't know who that person, those people are
I'm going to stand out hereright now and say they're
fucking wrong.
Only one people, only onepercent of the people, tell the
truth I think that can'tpossibly be true.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
I don't think that's true I think it's 100.
True, but that's just me well,I, I'm not gonna agree on that.
That's a very, very lowpercentage of honest people and
I don't think that's true noshit, if you can gain something
from somewhere, wouldn't you doit?
But not everything is a gain onthis.
So yes, in the celebrity world,obviously har Harvey Weinstein
comes out.
Now, mind you, everybody lovedHarvey Weinstein.
There are Nobody People wouldget up and thank him at every
(11:04):
single thing they did.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
No, that was they were taught to do, that Harvey
Weinstein is not a good humanbeing.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
I'm not saying he is.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
He is a dirtbag and I am totally judging that book by
its cover.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
A hundred percent because we do not know these
people.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
But you can tell by his eyes, his face and his
mannerisms and everything thathe was just not well liked as a
youngster.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
Right.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
And once he had this ability to have relations with
all these gorgeous women Right,he took advantage of it, yeah,
but there's a flip side to thatcoin.
Those girls wanted it becausethey wanted a part in a movie.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
Exactly.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
So they did it.
So they were doing it, youcannot turn around after that
and say, oh, he raped me.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
No, if you're in agreement at the time, that's
not rape.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
Well, it's not necessarily agreement.
It's not agreement.
I could walk up to you rightnow, open my fly and say if you
want to be on this podcast, helpme out.
You have to then decide whetheror not to do it correct.
I'm not forcing you to do it,but most of them did it because
they felt that if they didn't,they wouldn't get a part right,
so they did it willingly.
It wasn't like he shoved hispenis in their mouth no so at
(12:10):
what point is that?
that's more sexual harassment,sexual assault maybe oh, I, I'm
not sitting here telling youharvey weinstein is right so but
how are the women?
Speaker 1 (12:20):
they chose to do it so I don't know exactly I mean,
every situation obviously is itsown situation.
I think it has been shown evenwith diddy.
Everybody, all these peoplecame out right and said he did
this to me, he did that to me,and then there are already ones
that have gone away becausethey've been proven.
Oh, that didn't really happen.
So, yes, some of it happened.
But some people come out andthink, oh, I can gain from this,
(12:42):
so I should sue them too andsay I did it too.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
There's always truth to every story, one way or
another.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
Maybe a bit of truth.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
No, every story starts from somewhere.
It's usually like whatever.
There's a beginning of that,and then it's a game of
telephone and everything gets uh, embellished and it becomes
bigger than it really is.
And here we are now.
We don't know what is true andwhat is false no, we have no
idea I guarantee you did he'sguilty also oh, I'm not saying
(13:10):
he's not guilty.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
I'm not either, was not what I was saying no, with
all that vaseline or baby oil,whatever it was, baby oil.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
You are definitely guilty, man man.
You should be guilty on babyoil alone.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
Nobody needs that much baby oil, no one.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
Unless you're using it for something and everything,
something so weird, weirdthings happened around him.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Weird things that shouldn't be happening.
If you're not doing anythingwrong, these weird things don't
happen around you yeah.
So where was I going to go here?
I said something aboutsomething before.
No, it was before that.
I said something to you a whileago on this show and I forgot
what it was.
Now I had it and all right,it'll come back to me.
(13:49):
But, um, because weinstein, uh,doesn't matter, keep going.
Blake lively has ruined a lotfor women.
No matter matter the outcome ofthis.
She better not lose Because,after Amanda Heard against
Johnny Depp, this is going tokick it in the dick and it's
going to discredit womeneverywhere for anything they've
(14:10):
ever said.
Because now you have twodifferent cases high profile
cases that you can point to.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
But again, it doesn't mean that just because she's
wrong, I agree.
I don't think Blake Lively isgoing to win this one.
I think she's making everybodylook really bad.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
You're missing the point.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
It does not mean it's the same for every single
person.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
You're right, but now there's a different thought
about it.
So you've ruined it for peoplethat it actually happens to.
You're hurting the people that,where it actually happens,
you're hurting them because youare so greedy.
And oh, and, by the way, blakeLively slept with him.
What 100%, 100%.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
That's why you think that.
Well, maybe it's because theydid.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
She slept with him and then felt guilty about it,
and then this came out.
I do that's how it all started.
Yeah, I mean, she probably gotdrunk one night slept with him
and then felt, and now she'strying to cover it up.
Ryan, Ryan, we should have themovie rights.
I want to be in the MarvelUniverse.
That's why Ryan's trying to getout of it.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
What do you mean he's trying to get out of?
Speaker 2 (15:03):
The lawsuit and everything.
They're going to be divorced.
They'll be divorced by the endof the year.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
You keep saying that she slept with him.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
Except he put in a movie, she slept with him and
she's trying.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
He made comments about jokes about it in his
movies and stuff, like hedefinitely incorporated things
where he probably should nothave.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
Why wouldn't you?
You have your own reputation toprotect.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
I guess, but I don't know.
I think it's in bad taste.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
I didn't say it was in good taste.
I would have called her outright away.
No, she slept with this guy.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
That's why we're getting divorced and she
deserves what she gets.
He had been defending her soYou're supposed to defend your
wife.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
You're supposed to, but he's in a position where
that's not cool and I believe helost his spot in Wrexham he
lost his spot like he doesn'town it anymore.
No, I think he took it awayfrom him.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
No way, because of this.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
I didn't read the article, but I saw a headline
like that and I have to lookmore into it.
I don't know if I'm right onthat, so don't quote me, but I
did see something about himlosing his spot at Wrexham.
Maybe they just demoted him.
He's not primary owner anymore,he's like a shareholder.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
I had not seen that anywhere, but I can't say if
it's true or false.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
He's beginning to lose endorsements, he's losing
his favor in Hollywood andthat's sad because I love Ryan.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
Reynolds, I don't think he's blameless in this
situation is kind of what I'msaying.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
Blake Lively is Jada Pinkett Smith only white.
It's a rough one.
I'm not sure who's white andwho's black, but anyway, jada
Pinkett Smith Only white.
Oof, it's a rough one.
I'm not sure who's white andwho's black, but anyway, jada
Pinkett Smith sucks.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
Yeah, nobody really likes her.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
And Blake Lively never really did anything for me
and she always had the crazyeyes.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
Crazy eyes.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
Oh, people have crazy eyes that you can just see Like
oh, you're a little off.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
You're a little off.
You're a little off, as goodlooking as she is.
If she looks right at thecamera, you get a weird I call
it a shot of adrenaline andyou're like I want to fight you
never noticed that about her yougotta put yourself on defense.
What with Ryan Reynolds?
You look at him and you're likeI want to have sex with you
that's what you think when yousee Ryan Reynolds fuck.
Yeah, he's hot as fuck wow he'sa good looking dude, but blake
(17:19):
lively is good looking herself Iagree right, but she's got that
crazy part to her.
It's like that's why ryanreynolds is with her, because
she probably has amazing sex.
Crazy people have amazing sex.
You've seen that chart I'veseen it there's.
There's a ratio to crazy andsex in the bed, in the bedroom
where it's like, oh the crazyyou are, the better you are at
sex.
The less crazy you are, themore vanilla it is.
(17:40):
So everybody.
That's why you want to have funwith the crazy ones and then
marry.
This, you know the vanilla onesor let's go with a vanilla
chocolate or, you know,strawberry.
At this point, who cares theneapolitan ones?
Let's.
Let's include with vanillachocolate or strawberry.
At this point, who cares theNeapolitan ones?
Let's include all colors.
We're not trying to leavepeople out.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
Oh my.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
God, I'm an idiot.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
So I don't know.
I know you had referenced atone point that the whole Me Too
thing had to do with women'srights and all of that.
I don't know.
No, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
No, I don't think it really.
That's not what I said.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
I don't think it stems from any of that.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
The hashtag MeToo had to do with a lot with women
being suppressed for a long time.
That's a true story, and what Isaid was they got their chance
to make their point and theywent too fast, too soon and
they're doing it now.
They're ruining it forthemselves because it's like all
right, you got your time, youhave this ability now to kind of
(18:38):
control things.
And you guys had like 20 years,just so, isn't what you
actually said about guys notwanting to speak up.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
Doesn't that almost kind of say it's for both men
and women?
Then?
Speaker 2 (18:50):
That's why guys are speaking up, though, because all
these people are coming out andlying about it some no well,
yes, yes, yes, you're rightsorry, some can't say all but
the ones that are lying about itare becoming more and more high
profile, and that's what'skilling everything.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
Well, and that's why have you heard Hashtag?
Speaker 2 (19:14):
me too Ain't so lively.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
I know you think you're pretty creative with that
one.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
I want that to take flight.
Not only am I pretty creativewith that one, that's fucking
stand up exactly what'shappening.
It should take off, and if itdoesn't, that's on you guys, oh
yeah, we better pick that one upand run with it.
But yeah, here we are.
Uh, in my, in those classes Iwas speaking of earlier, it
(19:41):
there's, there's two differentclasses and there's 13 and 1 and
16 and the other and they'reall men all men, uh, all men
okay which is odd because thetwo leaders are women.
That part is, there's fourleaders all together.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
Odd because the two leaders are women.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
That part is odd.
There's four leaders altogether.
Three out of the four are women.
You put all these men in a roomwith women.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
Right, that is odd, that's not bright.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
That's a dumb ass move.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
You would think if it was going to be all men, they
would have men instructors aswell.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
Correct, and the one guy that we have is not really
going to overtake anybody.
Who knows?
Maybe he knows all kinds ofjujitsu, I don't know, but he's
just a nice guy.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
And the woman's not really going to put up much of a
fight, I don't think, against16 people and he's not going to
be able to help?
Speaker 1 (20:27):
Are you expecting something crazy to break out
against these women?
Speaker 2 (20:29):
I just don't know why you would do this.
Whoever's running this thingthinks this is a good idea
because it is for rehabilitationokay, all right.
So a lot of these guys that arein here are actual hardened
thugs and criminals, right?
Okay but why would you putthese people in harm's way
unless you know they're reallynot criminals and you're just
(20:51):
trying to make a buck?
I don't think that's what it is,but Well, anyway, in these
classes, every single one ofthem.
So that's what?
16 and 13 is 29?
There's 29 people in theseclasses, the two classes.
At least 21 of them haveadmitted to being beaten by
their spouse or girlfriend, orwhatever 21 of them 21 of them.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
That seems like a lot .
Speaker 2 (21:13):
Unfortunately it does .
You're right, wow, but this ishappening, this is going on, and
women are covert.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
Not all women are covert.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
No, not all women are covert.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
Men are also covert.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
I don't disagree with you, but I don't think men are
smart enough to be covert, andif they are, they are probably
also narcissists.
That being said, why would youput all these men in a room with
three girls and one dude?
Speaker 1 (21:42):
I don't understand it .
Speaker 2 (21:43):
It really doesn't make any sense.
Not only that, but theseclasses don't even do anything.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
Yeah, I don't necessarily understand them, but
I am surprised by the numberthat claim they're abused.
That's insane.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
But that's just in these two classes.
That's not outside ofeverything.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
But do you think outside of these classes?
You even know 21 people thathave been abused.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
Abso-fucking-lutely.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
I don't know that I do.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
I can pretty much point out a girl that beats
their husband.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
Really.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
Yes, I shouldn't say husband, a girl that beats their
husband Really.
Yes, I shouldn't say husbandGirl that beats their spouse,
their significant other,whatever you want to call it,
whatever label you want to puton it yeah, you could tell.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
You could tell, because you get uncomfortable
around them and there's a couple.
You could tell that there's acouple that you really don't
want to be there because they'renot friendly.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
Right.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
And every time they come here it's like awkward that
woman beats her husband.
Maybe, and that's the husband'sfault for being so passive.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
I'm not going to say blame game on any of it.
Who knows?
I don't know the situation?
I don't think it's appropriateto hit anybody, so I don't.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
Well, it's not appropriate to hit anybody and
it's funny that men do get hitand when they hit back they
become the perpetrator.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
Right.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
I've asked the entire time if it's because I was
brought up like that.
From my childhood I was ahorrible, horrible child,
horrible.
My mother, god bless my mother,I'm not even kidding.
My mother was always at wit'send with me.
I can imagine Always, always,always, and she would throw
things at me, hit me with spoons.
She would.
(23:15):
And I wonder sometimes if Igrew up.
Just, I love my mother.
My mother did not abuse me, no,she was just like I'm fucking
eating right now.
I'm never getting.
Oreos again.
But having said that, she wasat wit's end, she took it out.
Her frustration she took it outof me is punishment right,
(23:36):
right and back.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
Then that was okay there's nothing wrong with that.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
Beat you right no, she did not really beat.
I got hit a lot because I was ahorrible child, right?
This is a case where I actuallydeserve to be hit.
I was acting out being a fooland she needed to keep me in
line and I'm glad she didDiscipline right it was
discipline.
Yes, it wasn't that.
She just woke up in the morning, drank a bottle of whiskey and
(24:00):
then slapped me around, oh jeez.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
No, it was like.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
I woke up in the morning, had Lucky Charms and
then had two Oreos and drove hernuts for the rest of the day
Pretty drove her nuts.
For the rest of the day Prettymuch, and in the middle at lunch
I had a Coca-Cola Added in somemore sugar.
Yes, and she had to deal withit, so I don't blame her Right
Right Now.
Did that translate into myadulthood, where I still do the
same things and when I get hitI'm like I deserved it?
Speaker 1 (24:27):
I don't know.
I don't think it's the samething.
I think your parentsdisciplining you is a very
different situation.
You were not beaten.
It was not like you were abused.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
I was beaten.
Yes, I wasn't abused as a childI was beaten, but I wasn't
abused.
There's a difference A spankingis a beating.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
It's discipline.
Yeah, but it's not abuse.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
But I think kids that are abused abused I think maybe
they would be more accustomedto thinking it's more normal in
the future, or something.
I don't think what you'reexplaining is a reasoning for it
.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
I but I don't know, I'm not a psychiatrist well then
, why do I call my mother foreverything?
Because she drops everythingand goes and does it when my
significant other doesn't do it.
Because that's what I'mconditioned to.
That's why I'm asking thisquestion right, I hear what
you're saying.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
I just I don't know, and I I have no idea.
That's what I said.
I don't know what, if that's areal thing or not, but I don't
think it's ever appropriate asan adult to hit your significant
other or anything.
I don't think there's a reasonfor that ever I was beaten as an
adult so in my marriage rightlike I wasn't ever beaten before
(25:32):
.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
That.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
Exactly.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
That's crazy.
So, I'm obnoxious in everyrelationship I'm ever in.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
You are obnoxious in general.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
yes, Yep, and the only one I was ever beaten in
was the marriage.
She didn't even beat me beforethat.
She took it out on the wallsand the door and all that stuff,
but not me, right.
We get married and she startspunching me in the face yeah,
it's not okay.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
It wasn't okay.
I don't think it's ever okayfor anybody girl, guy, anything.
I don't think it's okay nowomen.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
Men never hit women.
You shouldn't.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
If you do, you're a dick, I don't I have done it
same way on the other side.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
I have done it, though, which is the worst part.
I feel awful about it, but it'sstanding up for yourself and
protecting yourself at somepoint right, it's almost like
self-defense it's self-defenseright, it's not like you came
out and did that first.
Yeah, you're defending yourselfI don't want to sit here and act
like I'm proud of it.
It needed to be done.
It was assertiveness.
It's like stop doing this.
I've asked you a thousand timesnot to do this to me.
(26:31):
I'm tired of it.
I've had enough.
That's it right.
As soon as I did that, I gotthe divorce papers right because
she found out who I she knew.
I knew who she was and that'swhat happened.
But there are a lot of men likethis, a lot of men that just
bottle up, they don't sayanything and it goes badly and
it may end up leading to a lifeof crime, abandonment, all that
(26:53):
stuff.
Everybody needs to start payingattention to this, and Blake
Lively is ruining it for women.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
So that's how we got here because she, basically, is
accusing somebody of doingsomething that I don't think
really happened she had sex withhim.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
she's embarrassed.
She doesn't want Ryan Reynoldsto find out.
She's creating a story, shethinks she can get away with it
and he's like middle finger.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
Right.
Here's the proof that it's notlike that.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
And good for him.
I know right this needs tohappen at some point and it was
only a matter of time.
Yeah, and I said to you a Maybetoo much, too fast, too soon.
I agree, it's a lot ofresponsibility to have for
people that don't know how towield it.
Very true.
It's crazy, because if I needhelp with anything, who do I
call?
Speaker 1 (27:40):
Me.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
A woman, a woman.
Women are much more superior.
Anyway, that being said, we'reout of time.
All right Case.
Thanks for being here with me.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
Anytime.
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