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Well, summer has
wrapped up here in the US.
Basically, school is startingback and summer is over, and
usually summer means summervacations, right, and it got me
reminiscing a lot about when mykids were younger taking, you
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know whether it was familyvacations or even just traveling
with them, and having thatopportunity to do that because
of the timing of school, right.
And now nowadays, since Itravel mostly alone, I don't
usually do much in the summers.
I save a lot of my travel forwhat we call the off season.
But I really got to rememberingand reminiscing about traveling
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with my children, and I knowthere's a lot of you out there
that are probably empty nestersor soon to be empty nesters.
I actually spoke with just afew this week that are sending
their kids off to college thisweek.
So it's a bittersweet, they say.
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And you know, I just thoughtthis episode would be just
really good timing for thosethat still want to be connected
with their children, and I wantto share a little bit about how
you can still travel, eventhough they're grown, with your
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adult children.
Welcome to Solo TravelAdventures.
I'm Cheryl Esch and, yes,although this podcast is mostly
about solo travel, I did have anepisode back in number 74.
It talks about when a friendwants to join your solo trip.
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Well, you may actually want totravel with your adult child to
present an opportunity toreconnect.
Maybe you're estranged fromyour children or you don't see
them a whole lot.
I will say travel is abeautiful way to reconnect with
your adult children in a nonthreatening way.
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A lot of times, if you maybeinvite them to your house, there
are other things that aredistracting them or they might.
In my case, when I was an adultchild, often if my mom wanted
to talk it meant I was in thehot seat or I was in trouble.
So we don't want to have thatsort of bad press, so to speak,
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on you know, getting togetherwith our children and maybe you
have a beautiful relationshipwith your adult children, which
I do as well but they also maybethey're married and they have
kids.
But they also maybe they'remarried and they have kids, and
so it does present morechallenges to actually get them
away separately for someconversations or travel.
Travel is a beautiful setupbecause it pulls everybody, each
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of the parties, away from anykind of distractions.
It gets you away from yourday-to-day meeting.
You don't have to say, oh, Ihad this phone call, or I have
to go home to do this, I gotlaundry to do, whatever it is
that might pull.
You know, the responsibilitiesthat we have as adults, right,
can pull our attention.
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So traveling together with youradult children or child really
takes all of that away, and soit does present more
opportunities for you to connect, to have conversations, to
really get to know your adultchild a lot better.
Now there are some things aboutour children that will never
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change, right.
We look at them as our children, our little ones, right, and
they have personalities, right.
So that's something that likelywon't change even as they
become adults.
And so maybe you miss that oryou're not sure what they have
grown into as an adult and wantto rediscover that and so.
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But before you plan a trip withyour adult child, I would try
to have a good understanding.
Number one as to you know, knowwhat the personalities are like
.
Remember, go back and thinkabout you know when you traveled
as a family, what were theirtendencies?
What were they like in othercultures?
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If you went overseas and or,how do they travel, how do they
like to travel?
What did you notice about them?
Do they get car sick, so maybea road trip is not the best idea
for that person.
So getting to know what theyare like and how they travel.
So my examples are my youngestI've traveled with both my adult
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children and my youngest.
When he travels he has to haveactivity.
He is, uh, unlike my older sonwho likes to have downtime or
likes to go to museums whereit's maybe quieter.
My younger son, nathan, is hejust has to have activity to
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keep him going.
That's just how he was wired,that's just how God made him and
I love it.
So when I travel with him andwhen we did our two-week road
trip, it was a constant, just wewere having to keep moving
along.
So road trip was good, except,you know, just making sure those
stops incorporated some sort ofactivity for him.
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So understanding how your adultchildren, even thinking back to
how they were as children,might give you some indications
of how they would travel now.
And then, number two if youplan to travel with your adult
children, ask them for input onwhere to go, what activities
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they may want to do, etc.
Now something I have done withmy oldest son, since we've done
a lot of international traveltogether and it's so hard
sometimes to pinpoint where youwant to go.
Right, there's so many placeswe both wanted to see in our you
know, on our bucket list, so tospeak, and so we had to come up
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with a place that we bothagreed on.
And sometimes we played littlegames with that.
We would go off on our own andsay, okay, you pick, pick five
places you want to go, and Iwould pick five, and then we'd
come together and see if any ofthem, you know, were overlapping
.
One time we also did pick onedestination from each continent
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that you were interested in, butI think we allowed two for
Europe, because there's so muchto see in Europe, and then we
brought them in to see what wasoverlapping there for us as well
.
And then during COVID, we wereplaying a game as to really what
countries were open.
So we kind of got limited there, but both had to.
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He had some parameters, you know.
So he expressed those to me,communicated those to me, and we
made it.
We made it work in decidingwhere to go that year.
So that's number three actually, is setting expectations.
Now, when I say expectations,not just about the trip in
general, where you're going,what you're going to do, those
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should be discussed beforehand.
But also make sure youcommunicate.
If there's, for example, ifyou're the type of person that
needs you don't want to doanything early mornings, or you
need a daily, you know, just achill time every day, right, or
you don't want to be racing fromplace to place, make sure you
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both are communicating that withone another.
But the other expectation thatyou need to set is financial.
Now we're talking adultchildren.
Adult children have their ownjobs, typically, I should say,
and so I've always made it clearas to what my children would be
paying for.
My very first international tripwith my oldest son, we went to
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Machu Picchu and he was just outof high school, but I still
made him pay for his flight.
We joined a tour group, so hepaid for the tour group and then
you know obviously hissouvenirs and such.
We had about two nights of ahotel that I took care of two,
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actually I think it was threeand you know we did.
We didn't rent a car oranything but in like.
For example, we went to Irelandtogether and I did ask him to
help pay for the rental car.
So you make sure you put thoseexpectations upfront so they
know that mommy or daddy youknow whoever they're traveling
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with is not flipping the wholebill right.
They're not paying foreverything.
And even when we are in Ireland, my son paid for some of our
meals.
So we kind of went back andforth oh you pay for this one,
I'll pay for this one.
So we didn't say separate bills, we just because that's more of
an American thing we just kindof took turns as to who paid for
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the meal.
So setting those expectationsare important, setting up the
times, as I said, like how muchtime are you going to want to
spend in a certain place doingcertain areas or activities.
So make sure that iscommunicated beforehand.
Number four is create downtime,create downtime.
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Now, I say this because often,um, I've had some people
actually marvel at how uh closeI am to my children and how, um
well we communicate and just Ilove having discussions with
them and I love to hear abouttheir lives and some of that
comes from, I think, for myyounger son it's asking the
right questions to get himtalking and, you know, talking
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about, maybe, topics that theyenjoy and seeing them come alive
.
But you know, if you want totalk about some deeper things.
For example, creating somedowntime will allow that because
, again, you don't have thosedistractions of other people or
other things.
One way you could do that is ifyou're driving I would say,
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only if you're driving in acountry where it's comfortable
for you to drive.
For example, when I was inIreland driving on the other
side of the road, I was sohyper-focused on just driving
that there was no time for me toactually have a conversation
with my son.
But they do say in a car isgreat because you're not really
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having to make eye contact,especially if it's maybe a
touchy subject that you arewanting to talk about and dive
into and understand theirfeelings.
But a train would be a greatoption.
Again, you won't have to worryabout navigating, but also it
kind of closes you off.
They don't have any place to go, so, just like a car, they're
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kind of stuck.
But I will share sometimesthose moments are not planned
and it's sometimes justserendipitous that these happen.
One example of having a longawaited conversation that I
wanted to have with my both sonsbut I had an opportunity while
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I was in Ireland with my oldestson.
We were it was one of our firstnights there and in Dublin and
we were staying in this castleand probably around 1.30 in the
morning-ish or so their firealarm went off and it was a
malfunction.
We were told we could actually,I think, stay in the room.
I don't recall really, but myson just literally jumped out of
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bed totally scared, because inIreland their smoke alarms are
very different sounding.
They almost sound like, ifyou're familiar with, like the
English or the British sirensthat's kind of what it sounded
like and that was their fire orsmoke alarm that was going off.
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So it was a false alarm, but ofcourse we're not going to bed
after that.
He even said that.
So we started talking and I wasgiven hours and time to
actually be honest and sharewith him the whole story, going
back even to the beginning of mymarriage and really what
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happened through the divorceprocess.
So he was grateful to hear thatit felt good to kind of share
the truth with him.
Um, they were off.
We often shield our childrenfrom some of those things, but
as an adult I think they can now, uh, look back and, you know,
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kind of see things differentlyand so those those kinds of
moments have presentedthemselves to me, uh, during
traveling with my kids.
So again, take that opportunity, seize it if it's something you
want to.
You know something you want toshare with your children.
Maybe have them share somethingpersonal with you, but some of
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that might require asking theright questions.
So what is the right way to askquestions?
Make sure you're askingopen-ended questions.
If you have not learned that,so try to avoid any yes or no
answers.
Have them, you know, share orexplain or describe kind of
using kind of those words, ofcertain scenarios so you can
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understand them more.
And then the final tip I wouldsay is, if you plan to travel
with your adult children, pleasetalk to them and treat them as
adults and not so much like youare the mom, hovering, worrying,
asking, rolling your eyes orgiving them those reminders oh,
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did you check in?
Did you do this, did you dothat Making them feel inferior
or less like an adult.
So treat them like a friend.
At this point, yes, you're stilltheir mother and I sometimes
have to toe the line as far aslike how much freedom do I give
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them versus how much do I insertmyself, so to speak, and you
know, into their travels and,you know, making sure they're
safe, because that's always aconcern or worry.
For example, my son, who myyounger son by the time this
goes live, he will have justjust returned from Morocco, but
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as of today I've been just I'veonly texted him twice in the
whole week.
You know, once I said make sureyou text me when you get there.
That was very reassuringbecause he had several layovers
and I wanted to make sure he gotthere safe, and right now he is
on his way back.
So I haven't heard from him.
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So you know, moms get a littleworried, but I tried to give him
space and not, um, be toooverbearing, so to speak, on
being that mom, but rather justbeing hey, you know, I I did
open myself up to him before heleft and you know as far as
being an expert traveler, so youknow, for in his eyes and some
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other people's eyes but thereare, of course, there's other
people that have traveled morethan me but I was giving him
tips and just providing actualstuff.
I was giving him tips and justproviding actual stuff.
For example, you know a powerbank, or you know flip flops,
and oh, a couple other things Igave him.
I'm trying to remember.
Oh, some other travel.
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Oh, a travel pillow, those kindof things, things that he had
forgotten that he would probablyneed on this trip.
So I encourage you if you haveadult children and you want to
connect deeper with them, oh,the other thing I want to say is
, when you travel with youradult children, you're also
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creating new memories with them,and these memories they will
carry all into their rest oftheir, of their adult life, into
their married life, even ifthey're single.
When you travel with them andthat's a huge blessing and I
have many of those stories totell and feel very blessed to
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have those stories that I sharedthese magnificent moments with
one of my children and duringtravel.
So know that that is thatcherry on the top kind of bonus
when you do travel with yourchildren adult children, I
should say and don't hesitate toeven ask right, especially if
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your children are're adults butthey're single, that's the
perfect opportunity and theymight tell you they're too busy,
they're working so much.
Really, encourage them to takesome time, whether it's to
travel with you or just totravel in general, because
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that's, you know, in their 20s,honestly, that's when they're
going to have more freedom to doso, and I'm just thrilled that
now my two children I haven'ttraveled with either one in a
few years.
Actually it's been about two anda half years since I've
traveled with either one of myadult children because they are
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off doing their own travels,some solo, but mostly with some
friends.
I'm elated that they are doingthat and that I think, in the
spirit of us traveling togetherwhen they were younger adult
children, I really, I think,planted that seed in them and
now they get to enjoy thosefruits with their friends and I
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hope to someday be able to maybetravel with both of them
together someplace.
All three of us, I'm excited.
They also the two of themactually just traveled together
to LA a few months back to see aFIFA game together.
So that also fills my heartbecause I see them doing
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something together.
So I'm hoping this gives yousome insight and some tips If
you do plan to maybe considertraveling with your adult
children.
It is a beautiful way toconnect and create memories with
your adult children.