AI & Biometrics vs. 26K Kids to Pedophiles: Fix Immigration Now (Full)

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Alex (00:00):
Solving America’s Problems — where Jerremy and Dave watched two CEOs who
actually hire immigrants go at it overthe single ugliest fact on the table.
David Williams — the guy who sends 10%of every baby-product sale straight to

anti-trafficking — dropped this (00:14):
26,000 unaccompanied kids crossed the border with
notes pinned to their shirts that said“deliver to Uncle John in South Dakota”…
and agents handed them to the exactpedophiles who’d already paid the cartels.
Those kids are getting raped eightto ten times a day — right now.

Steven Orr fired right back (00:36):
that horror is 0.2% of crossings — torch the
other 99.8% and tomorrow there’s nobodyframing your house or picking your food.
Both men demand AI andbiometrics yesterday.
They just can’t agree on whostays while the machines boot up…

Jerremy Newsome (00:55):
Dave, the people, our fans, the American public, they're
desperate to know they're hungry.
What are we discussing in this episode?

Dave Conley (01:05):
In this week's episode of Solving America's Problems,
we enter an immigration system.
So medieval.
It processes human livesat parchment speed.
While outside its gates.
A modern crisis explodesconstruction workers vanish from
job sites hiding from ice rates.
Legal immigrants bring physicalphotos to government offices to
prove their marriages are real.

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These aren't statistics.
They're fault lines running throughevery community, every business.
Every family touched by America'smost divisive issue, immigration.
Today's guests bring solutions forged inexperience, David Williams, CEO of four,
humanity Baby products that dedicates 10%of every sale to ending human trafficking,

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including the 26,000 children coming intothe US and Stephen Orr, CEO of Quasar
Markets, and the big beat on Wall Street.
Who navigated immigration policy fromthe White House and State Department to
his own kitchen table where his wife'sgreen card journey made it personal.
And that's this week on solving America'sproblems, medieval systems, modern stakes.

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When immigration hits home withDavid Williams and Steven Orr.

79% of Americans say immigration is good for our country.
The highest number ever recordedyet 55% want immigration reduced,
which is the highest since nine 11.
How can both be true?
Because we are trapped in a broken systemthat usually turns allies into enemies.

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I'm Jerremy Alexander Newsom,alongside my cohost Dave Conley, and
this is Solving America's Problems.
Today Dave Williams joins us, a 30year veteran of the baby products
industry, whose company for humanityBaby products puts 10% of his company
sales towards ending human trafficking.
And Steven Big beat on WallStreet or from the White House

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and State Department to founding.
Quasar markets.
He has seen immigrationpolicy from every angle.
Dave Steven, welcome to the show.

David Williams (03:16):
Thank you.
Thank you.
Pleasure to be here.

Yeah,

Steven Orr (03:19):
Thanks Jerremy.

yeah, of course.
It's gonna be incredible.
So Steven and Dave, what do you thinkthe average American misunderstands
about the immigration system basedon your experience or knowledge?

Steven Orr (03:33):
Yeah, I'll start with this one.
I think very simply put, when youask the average American what is
the foremost situation in their.
Thinking and theirforward view of the world.
It's not about immigration,it's about economics.
But when they get down into it,then they realize wait a minute,
immigration affects economics.

(03:53):
Wait a minute.
I have a more deeper nowunderstanding of the world because
I have AI and the internet.
And now I realize that my issue with myneighbor being from Mexico illegally is a
whole different situation now that my, mynow partner is from Ireland, or I'm now
going overseas as a tourist to anothercountry, and now I need another visa.

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The world is changing faster thanI think most people's minds are.
And what you're seeing is thisanger towards unemployment,
this anger I could do that job.
Why is someone doing my job?
And then when that job goes away to animmigrant, they're not happy about it.
And then when we have harshimmigration policies like we do
today, and we're sending them back.
one's there to now do the jobthat they wanted them to do.

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So all of a sudden it's not a onelittle thing of send them back
or I can't wait to get marriedto my partner from the country.
It's becoming a more macro issueand I think people are having a
harder time understanding that.

And Dave, you're over in the Orange County
area, which ironically, right?
Steven is in Florida.
Dave, you are in California.
And the other Texas, right?
Those are the three largest statesin the us but also the ones that.
Experience most immigration.
What do you see being on theground floor being relatively
close to the LA and to the riots?
That just happened not that long ago.

For me it's and I'm hearing the term immigration
used synonymously with immigrationand illegal immigration,

I.

I think there's two facets of that, that really
have to be addressed independently.
I'm all for immigration, 100%, and youwanna come to this country, you wanna live
the dream, go ahead, bring it on, but doit legally because the rights that, ugh.
We're being granted to people whocross the border illegally, who we

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don't have really any knowledge ofwhat their background is and what
their economic impact could be onthe country in a positive manner.
We're seeing them floodhere and eat up resources.
And we see crime that's out of control.
We see overcrowding incities that's out of control.
I'm all for it.
A hundred percent if you wannacome to this country, come

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do it, but do it legally.
And there isn't another countryin the world that's gonna let
you come in there and just squatin and say, Hey, here I am, in.
I've traveled internationally enoughto know that if you don't have the
right documentation going city tocity you can be shown the exit door.
I'm all for it, but just do it legally.
Go through the proper channels.

So Steven, I think to those together.
Hear you on the economics, likeit's a huge driver and I know
people are gonna be like, oh myGod, suddenly there's inflation in
areas that I don't even understand.
And the reason might be that it'simmigration related and people are
gonna have a tough time connecting that.
And then on the other side, particularlyin the last four years, we've seen tens

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of millions of people at the border,which resulted in record numbers of
people being released into the UnitedStates without really any sort of
vetting, meaning we just don't know.
Like we give you, a court date sometimein the future and be like, okay, enjoy.
There's a safety aspectand an economic aspect.

(07:16):
would you, do we even needto balance those things or
what's the push pull there?

Steven Orr (07:20):
I think we do need a balance.
There's two things going on here,Dave, and that's a great question.
if you look at the GDP of the UnitedStates, between 15 and 20% of it
is levied by immigration itself.
Whether those people are the ones who,as Elon Musk always says they're the ones
that fuel the economy in the back end.
When you look at, when Trump says badhombres, and he talks about it from a

(07:43):
legal standpoint of, oh, they're notcoming in here illegally and it's, this
is not right and we gotta vet everysingle person who comes into this country.
That is not what thiscountry was ever built on.
It wasn't how we were started,it wasn't how we created the
United States of America.
We, put a poem from Emma Lazarus,on the Statue of Liberty, and
they came into Ellis Island andsaid, we don't care what you are.

(08:05):
Give us your tired, your masses.
Give us all of 'em.
We'll take 'em.
And I said this earlier to you, Dave,is that, you know what's interesting?
We probably would've lost both wars.
World War I and two, had we not had agood immigration we let everybody in.
It's when you put theseinternment camps like Japan we
did that during World War ii.
Didn't work out too well either.
Are there bad peoplecoming across the border?

(08:25):
Yes, of course.
Should we stop that?
Should there be, I think the problem isnot the fact of immigration or migration.
In that aspect, I think theproblem is enforcement, right?
When you have a problem on the border,like in Mexico, and they're coming
across and the cartels are coming acrosswe're, it's this catch and release policy

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that has been in place for too long.
It's not a catch and release.
It should be.
If you commit a crime, then you're out.
And there is a whole process ofimmigration that we have to go through.
My wife did it, my wife's fromIreland, she's from Belfast.
She came in here on an F1 Visa workedvisa too, and then, and all of a
sudden she became the right way.
But there is some stoppage to that.
Some people can't afford thefees that go along with U-S-C-I-S

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right there are getting to theUSCI, SS are not everywhere.
We had to go ourselves.
We live in dc We had to go toVirginia to go to U-S-C-I-S.
It's not easy.
The process isn't easy.
It's not meant to be easy.
But if you are having a problem rightnow with Trump saying as they're going
to court or as they're going to theSCIS and the ICE raids are happening.

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How are they supposed to be?
Get their green card, or if youhave a green card and they're going
back and now they're saying, evenif you are a naturalized citizen,
we'll still go back and check howyou became a naturalized citizen.
Those policies aren'tmaking America greater.
They're making America worse.
And in my case, I look at it all thetime and because they're not able to
come here, they're going to Canada.
Right now the immigration right now isnearly three times the size of the United

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States based on the latest numbers.
And that's keeping theGDP of Canada over 3%.
That's why they're noteven complaining right now.
So there is this thing where youhave to think about it from a
financial standpoint, but you'vealso gotta think about it from a
personal and a familial standpoint.
There are families beingbroken up too, in some places.
And it's not just in the southern borders.
They're everywhere.

(10:13):
They're on every border.
LA is a good example of that.
So right now, I don't know, I don'tthink that the crime statistics are
matching the border issue as much asI, for me, I think that making the
process needs to be a lot easier.
And the deep down processproblem is very simple.
And I think you and I talked aboutDave earlier today, it's, need

(10:34):
congressional stepping in, right?
We need the team that actually writesand makes the laws and protects the laws.
Supreme court and thejudicial side of things.
Protecting people in general, right?
If they're committing a crimeout, they go, if they're doing
these things right, protect them.
The police should be serve andprotect, not harassing and deports.

Well, I mean, what's fascinating to your point Steven, is the
immigration court backlog hit 3.7 millioncases with judges handling 4,500 each.
So that math doesn't work out.
We'll hear from you in a second.
Dave, what do you think from a policystandpoint or restructuring standpoint

(11:18):
or idea creation standpoint, where do wefind a solution in all the legislation
backlog that's occurring right now?
David, William.

speaking, you said you'd be

Alright.

in a minute.
I apologize.
I thought you

You're good?

that to Steven.
Again, I think we're treating thesymptoms instead of the illness, right?
The symptoms are, we had 13 millionillegal border crossings and now we're
having to treat the symptom the illness.
Is what caused this and theillness was we had open borders
and we didn't have enough control.
I'm all for making the process easier.

(11:53):
Let's do what we can.
In fact I was given about hoursnotice on here's the pre-pro briefing.
So I wasn't able to have enough timeto gather statistics, but I do know
from personal experience in talkingwith several people years ago, that
in Obama's first, in his eight years,the number of green cards issued

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under his administration in eightyears was less than half of what
Trump issued in his first four years.
if the green card process was so difficultand it became a little bit easier.
Then why didn't we go down thatpath, continue down that path,
rather than just open the floodgates and let people through.
Now we've overrun our system.

(12:37):
We've overrun the, immigration system.
We've overrun the court system, andnow it's, throw everything you can at
the wall to try to fix the problem.
I'm all for, like I said, make theimmigration process better and easier, but
it doesn't mean you have carte blanche.
Just walk in the countryand we'll give you asylum.
It just can't be.
And, I'm an anti-human trafficking.

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That's where my passion is.
That's where I want to stay focused on.
the amount of kids that came across theborder that were unaccompanied minors that
were brought across with the cartel, witha letter pinned on it that said, my uncle
John Adams up in South Dakota, here's hisphone number is hogar to deliver me to.

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Knowing that was a pedophile that paidthe cartel to pin that letter on that
kid and bring 'em across the country,and the US government handed 'em over.
I'm sorry, that's broken.
That's wrong.
And Steve, your wife had togo through a vetting process.
Every single one of those kidsshould have been matched up.
They should have been a background check.
My friends came across with kidsand their kids had to be vetted.

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They had to go through andprove who their parents were.
These kids were brought across theborder and handed over to total
strangers because a letter was pinnedto 'em, saying that my uncle is John
Adams up in North Dakota, even thoughit's Miguel Rodriguez, whatever.
Show me how there's any lineagethere, that's your uncle,
this is what was being done.
These kids are being trafficked,they're being abused.

(14:07):
We had zero control on theprocess and yeah, I'm sorry.
If we gotta round up a bunchof people and send 'em back and
say, you know what, I'm sorry.
Start over.
you had the money to pay the coyotein a lot of cases to get here.
You had the money to go throughand file your documentation.
Again I'm not against immigration,I'm against illegal immigration,

Sure.
Yeah.
Makes perfect sense.
What the big challenge, I think alot of people have mentioned, to
your point, you're saying like,we're trying to fix the system.
That's we're healing it rightnow, that it's already happened.
But going forward, what do you thinkwould be the fastest policy to create for
the people that want to come in legally?

(14:50):
That process also a lot ofpeople feel is extremely arduous.
It's a massive backlog.
It's very inundated.
It's not handled appropriately.
Is there a policy or somethingthat you feel that could just
start implementing that right now?
That would be faster orbetter, more efficient?

Again, put a bandaid on a bad situation.
I think it I have a heart and I feelfor the people that have been here for.
years, 10 years, 15 years,established a life here.
At the same time, I'm doing a constructionproject right now for my girlfriend Sarah,
who's building out a new optometry office.
And, I have migrant workers in therethat are working as subcontractors.

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I've got framing, I've got electrical,most of which speak very little English.
And I'm in there with my broken engSpanish trying to communicate with them.
But the consensus even withinthat group is, yeah, we got it.
We're a couple guys short'cause they're hiding from ice.
I go, okay, I got it.
How do you feel about that?
And they said, you know what?

(15:47):
They're idiots.
And I'm telling you, I have threeforemans that are Hispanic, Mexican,
heritage that came over here.
And they said, you know what?
I told those guys, don'tbe drinking and driving.
Don't be driving a car that doesn't haveproper registration, especially if you've

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not gone through and taken the steps.
You're making money here.
You have plenty of money to own a car.
You have plenty of money to buybeer every night after work.
Why aren't you putting in yourpaperwork to get your documentation?
So to answer your question a moreroundabout way I think, maybe
the short solution is tenure.
How long have you been here10 years, established you

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have a job, you have a home.
Maybe they get put on the back burner.
Maybe there's a grace period for themuntil we can get the system caught up.
But I have very little sympathyfor the past five years.

funny.
I did actually just hear thatfrom this administration.
They said, Hey, if you've been herefor, years and years, like there,
there isn't going to be enforcement.
And what I hear from you is that'salso an opportunity to just cut a visa.
It makes zero sense to,to, deport somebody.
It's okay, here's your visa.

Yeah.

Thanks.
And if you want to applyfor citizenship, fantastic.
You're not gonna be penalized.
But if you want to stay, you'vealready been here for decades,
let's get you in the system.

Yep.
And I'm, again I'm okay withthe lesser of the eagle evils.
And I think that's probably itbecause I think creating more,
adding as much government as we needin order to process this, runaway
system that we're in is gonna be.
Extremely expensive.
And cost taxpayers a ton of money.
So yes, I think we do have todivide and conquer, so to speak.

(17:27):
And if you've been here for,10 years, then you get a pass.
You've been here for less than five years,not much of a pass, between five and 10.
Maybe it's a case by case.
I don't have the answers.
It's above my pay grade.
It'll be Jeremy's job tofigure out down the road.
But for now all I have is, my opinion.

Sure.

California native.
I grew up, my first high schoolI went to was 98% Hispanic.
It was a extremely rough area.
There was a gang fightevery day at school.
Fortunately I was a big kid andI had a very big friend with me.
And we had to stand upfor ourselves in school.
Unfortunately, we were the minorities.
We had to be the onesprotecting ourselves.

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I also had a lot of great familiesthat took me in as one of their
own and treated me, oh, you gottaeat, come feed, oh, here's tamales.
It's a community that if youare able to connect with,
will treat you like their own.
But at the same time, there'ssome bad apples in there.
And unfortunately we didn't doa very good job vetting those.
And there's a lot offallout because of it.

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And the biggest fallout that just eatsat me is what's happening to these kids.

Yeah, for sure.
Steven, you were shaking yourhead earlier when David was saying
that would be really expensive.
What's your general first thought on that?

Steven Orr (18:40):
Yeah, there's two thoughts on that and two separate sections.
The first one for me is, when I wentto Japan not too long ago, we all know
how when we go through the customsbordering customs as biometrics.
So you put your paw prints down andon both sides, and they know who
you are almost immediately, right?
They don't have to, there'sno question about it.
So on the first side ofthat is technology, right?
We need to have bettertechnology at the borders.

(19:02):
It's not show me your passportand let some border agent decide
whether or not you can come in.
It's automatic, right?
And the second side of that is that wetalked about this earlier, is legislation.
The new HR 1202 coming outwith Representative Morgan
Lutrell, is get passed, right?
This is the one of the stop humantrafficking of unaccompanied
Migrant Children Act.
I don't see a big push on this, right?

(19:22):
And there needs to be thesekind of pushes, Dave's right in
regards to human trafficking.
But I'm gonna put thisin real perspective.
Human trafficking is 0.2 to 0.4% of allimmigration and migration issues, right?
So it's a very small port, and let'scrush that criminal aspect of it, right?
But it is coming.
It is happening, right?

(19:42):
The majority of peoplecoming across the border.
I want to know who they are, butat the same time, it's just such
a crushing blow to families.
We gotta separate them because oneperson's on the track an F1 Visa
and the other person's on the trackfor a work visa or a green card.
It has to be a little bit more lenientsituation where they're coming in now.
On the flip side of that,yeah, there's criminals.

(20:04):
Yeah, there's problems happening,but it's not the majority issue
that's happening with immigration.
We're sending back people thatactually are doing the work.
We now have situations that peopledon't even wanna go to work.
Dave, just told you that he doesn'twant to go because there's an ice issue,
that the slow down of a building of ahome should not be happening because
someone's scared about their job.

(20:25):
Yeah.
I agree with him when he says that,they're spending it on beer money and
not on getting their visas correctly.
That's a problem.
And they need to have some help with that.
But we have the technologytoday to speed this up.
4,300 cases.
You just said Jerremy infront of the per judge.
What would AI do to those applications?
We could go through them, notin days and years in minutes.

(20:48):
That's the whole key there.
And that's a problem, right?
So technology should besolving one side of it.
And on the other side of it, weshould have some kind of push
against the government and not justin the voting booth every November.
It needs to be a situation where ifthese members of Congress are putting
these bills to the house and theSenate floor, let's get 'em passed.
You're talking about some of themost powerful people in Congress,

(21:10):
Chuck Grassley can't get passed.
Immigration Parole Reform Act of 2025.
Chuck Grassley of Iowa.
Come on, Chuck.

Yeah.

Steven Orr (21:18):
personally.
The visible act by by representativeSenator, now Senator Alex Padilla.
And Corey Booker.
These are two of the most powerfulpeople in the Senate, and they
can't get these bills passed.
And from Dave's perspective TomLantos is on the Human Rights
Commission chair, chaired by bothJim McGovern and Chris Smith.
Two very powerful people.
Massachusetts and New Jersey.
So I think that the problemis it's not on the forefront.

(21:39):
And the first things out of Dave andJerremy, you guys said this today,
was that 75% of people, this ison the forefront of their tongue.
50% of them believe in it.
And yet we can't get thesethings passed in Congress.
'cause the most importantthing is tariffs right now.
Or the most important no.
Now, if you're saying that 3% of theGDP of Canada is being pushed up and

(21:59):
we're losing GDP because of immigrationand migration, we have our issue here.
And when and the otherside of the court side is.
It's, that's a slap on the hand.
Human trafficking shouldnot be a slap on the hand.
It should be right to the gallows boys.

Correct.

Steven Orr (22:12):
you're doing human trafficking there's no if and or buts
you don't get my former president,bill Clinton, my former boss, there's
no three strikes and you're out.
There should be one strike and you're out.
If you're caught human trafficking, thereshouldn't be a question mark about it.
It should go right here.
Do not pass, go do not collect $200.

See you later.

Steven Orr (22:29):
Because we have a problem here.
But the biggest problem is it'salso stopping good immigration.
It's stopping some of theproblems that we have.
It is not round themup and send them back.
It can't be that way.
'cause if we round 'em up and sendthem back, then you're rounding up the
good and the bad and you can't, andwhen I look at our own criminality in
the United States, how many people arein jail compared to other countries?

(22:51):
We have one of the highest incarcerationrates in the United States.
So it's not an issue of criminality,it's an issue of morality, right?
The morality of our government andthe morality of the people coming in.
There has to be a balance.
And how do we balance that outand simply through the courts?
And if the courts are backed up, howdo we help the courts through AI and
through technology, and how do we helpthe courts by helping the government get

(23:15):
legislation passed in order to enforce it?
So I think there's a fairly easyway, a path here, but I think the
problem is, it's being put on theback burner because more important
I don't know what to do, so let'sjust round 'em up and throw 'em away.
That's just not how we are as a country.
As I said earlier, the states of Liberty.
Liberty says that it's not whowe are as a country trying to
move forward with technology.

(23:35):
You, I'm a country trying tomove and to be progressive.
This is not what America's about.

I like the take that we don't use enough technology,
at least to as of right now, right?
I mean, it's 2025.
There's certain ways, and I know Mr.Conley, you wanna say something, but
there's, there's extremely easy andeffective ways at least start speeding
something up in the government and, uh,implementing some of these strategically,
technologies that are currentlyavailable for everyone right now.

(24:00):
Like, why not start using them?

I question, look, there's no doubt in my mind that our current
system is medieval and there's an aspectof this where it's just saying, oh, we
need to add more legislation to this.
Part of that doesn't make anysense to me in the sense that.
Look like Florida is the onlystate that requires E-Verify.

(24:25):
It's the only borderstate that requires it.
And E-Verify is very basic.
You plug in the information of either aVisa or your social security number and it
says, Hey, can work in the United States.
And it's the only one, right?
All of these laws already exist, right?
The president isn't.
Technically outside of the laws, andthose laws are being tested in the

(24:50):
courts because it is pushing boundaries.
But those boundaries neededto be tested anyways, because
nobody's ever tried these things.
The last piece of legislationwas DACA under Obama, and we
already talked about Obama.
Obama was a slew of, I worked duringthe Obama administration in the
administration, and he was very, hewas always a contradiction, right?

(25:12):
Because he was the smartestperson in the room, right?
And so everything was a contradiction.
He was the deporter in chief.
He was also, the fewest numberof green cards and daca none
of it made any sense, right?
There was no, no unifying vision aroundimmigration because there hasn't been,
since Reagan Reagan was the last bigpiece of legislation that went through.

(25:35):
Otherwise, it's been just a,just hap So I I'm questioning.
Do we need more legislation?
Is it just like working the legislationwe have or do we need more of it?

Yeah and here's my overarching point that I would
love for you guys to chat about too.
I think it's less legislationfrom one specific entity.
So me and Dave Conley in our lastepisode I threw out a really crazy idea.
What if the house representativesdid their job crazy right?
And unbelievable, right?

(26:08):
Because so far Dave and Steven, you bothmentioned presidents and that is, and
has been for over 25 years, the mainperson that controls the ebb and flow of
the ideation of immigration and policy.
And I think that's a problem becauseultimately you have one person who

(26:30):
probably has very little experiencewith immigration and that's okay.
You can't be an immigrant andthe president, I get that.
But at the same instance, just thefact that it all boils down to that
one person seems very pigeonholed.
And I think it would be very realistic togo, all right, representatives, solve it.

(26:55):
Enjoy.

Steven Orr (26:55):
mean the president of the United States who's married to
Melania, who is an immigrant herself?

Correct.
Yeah.

Steven Orr (27:03):
Yeah.
This touches on everybody's life, right?
Lemme put it this way.
When I, my own personal right?
With Catherine, when we wentto U-S-C-I-S, she was already
green card holder, visa holder.
She had everything and all thedocuments ready to go, and we still
had to go in front of U-S-C-I-S, right?
We still had to go in front of thatofficer to, to say, yes, you two can get
married, so please bring us pictures.

(27:25):
Okay?
So both of us had our cell phones with us.
We both had a USB, and the guy saysyou need to bring in physical pictures.
Oh, yes.
This has been almost two decades agowhen Catherine and I have gotten married.
But physical pictures like then hegoes maybe, okay, I'll approve this.

(27:46):
I will approve this even thoughyou don't have the pictures.
We'll, show me on your phone.
Show me your digital stuff, right?
Here we are, 16 years later afterbeing married now, and, I look at
the system and it's still the same.
Bring us your physical pictures, right?
And we're still having to go in frontof A-U-S-C-I-S person to approve us.

(28:06):
The technology can fix that.
We don't even need todo that anymore, right?
Just send us and I think you're right.
E-Verify should be everywhere.
That's first and foremost.
Get a social security number.
Anybody gets social securitynumber these days, right?
So that should be too hard.
And I, but a biometric takes nothing.
It is here.
Fingerprints.
Here's some little bit of, alittle bit of your background.
You'll know immediately who you are, butI'll tell you what, Jerremy, if you talk

(28:28):
about it from a perspective of the newblockchain, the heck outta this, right?
Every person is ablockchain number, right?
You can't make that up.
You can't change it.
So now we can follow it.
Technology can fix alot of these problems.
And when I look at you say, don't youknow, we don't need more legislation.
We don't.
Enforcement of the legislation thatwe have today would do a whole,

(28:50):
would do a lot of wonders, right?
And I think that's one of the things thatwe did say, and we're not seeing that.
And I think that's what Dave hereis concerned about that we don't
have the enforcement of these,it's this catch and release issue.
But there's also Zoe Loflinrepresentative from California is also
working out with one, and I look itup, farm Workforce Modernization Act.
All right, so you're a migrantcoming in to pick whatever it should

(29:12):
be a temporary visa get you in.
And guess what?
You go in and you go out you do themigrant farm workforce thing, and then
you leave and then you build a reputation.
And we know we're the, we throughthe blockchain or through AI or
whatever, we want to use biometrics.
We know, okay, this person'sbeen here for a few months, they
didn't make any criminality.
They went back home.
They came back, okay.
And you're creating a blueprint for howto bring others in, in a direct way.

(29:36):
But right now we have this, it'sjust slam it, throw 'em in a, throw
'em in a cell and send them back.
And that's not who we are as a country.
Especially in a situation where, the,economic force behind this is really

Passive.

Steven Orr (29:48):
to a lot of people.

Yep.

also have to go back and look at the fact that we weren't
responsible for the past four years.
We weren't showing anykind of responsibility.
We've got California who was shiftingwater because of some salamander,
which was also shifting water away fromfarmland, which was meaning that we were
producing less crops, yet we're bringingin more migrant workers to work the fields

(30:11):
that we don't have as much output in.
So now we're creating a situation wherewe have unemployment, we're creating more
demand on the local government to support.
Report these people atthe cost of home safety.
My girlfriend lives literally threeblocks from Pacific Palisades.
I can drive over there now.
I couldn't up until recently,and it looked like a fricking

(30:33):
war zone because they didn't haveenough water to put out the fires.
And millions and millions ofdollars of homes, billions of
dollars of homes went up in smoke.
And to this day, a lot of thosepeople can't move back in that
did have homes saved because ofcontamination in the water and lack
of electricity and everything else.
But the point is,newsom's got an open door.

(30:56):
Come on in.
California will accept you.
We're a sanctuary state, but wedon't have enough water to fuel the
crops that you're coming to pick.
So now we're gonna put you onunemployment and we're gonna strain
our welfare system here, and we'regonna put your kids in our schools.
And yet you're not being productive.
We're just giving you the money.
You can't sit there and say weacted so irresponsibly now let's

(31:20):
continue to be irresponsible and notremove these people didn't come in.
You can't just put tax the systemover and over again and say it's okay.
When you've been so absolutely egregiouslyirresponsible for the past five years,
there's gotta be some major movement.
and I apologize to those families that aregetting caught up in the mess, but I think

(31:44):
as we spoke about earlier, maybe it'sthe five year, maybe it's the 10 year.
Time spent in the US that weseparate this for the short term.
there has to be a quick and Iagree with you Steven if we use
ai, absolutely, man, let's use it.
Let's process this stuff a hellof a lot faster, what we're doing.
Maybe that's how we separate,the cream rises the top and

(32:05):
we use the AI system to do it.
And I do agree, we do absolutelyneed more enforcement.
We had zero enforcementthe past five years, zero.
we acted as irresponsibleas a country could act.
And now we're paying for it.
And we're paying for it in a huge way.
And I can't even drive into downtownla after dark, I can't, I, it's taking,

(32:28):
everybody's lives in, and putting itin apparel because it is that bad.
It's horrible.
Sarah and I can walk down a streetin Santa Monica because they
police it pretty well and theykeep the homeless out of there.
But you go down to the beachwhere it's state land you
don't go down there after dark.
I'll tell you that right nowbecause it is a homeless camp and

(32:49):
a lot of it is illegal immigrants.
I hear what you're saying, Steven,but at the same time, we're not a
country that can act as irresponsiblyas we have the past five years.
We have to do something to make up for it.

Steven Orr (33:00):
Yeah.
One thing she just mentionedwas, California's use of
water in that situation.
80% of California's waterright now used for what?
Agriculture, right?
Almonds

Almonds.

Steven Orr (33:11):
and pastures, I can listen.
I can tell you all thedifferent crops in California,

Yeah.

Steven Orr (33:15):
not water usage by homes and guess who works
those fields in California?

But you're not hearing what I said when I started Steven.
Our production is down becausewe've had a shortage of water.
We are producing less agriculture than wehave the past 20 years, and we're bringing
in more workers to work the fields.
That's what's taxing in oursystem is you can't keep putting
more people at a problem whenyou've got a declining, industry.
You've gotta fix the industry first.

(33:41):
So

Steven Orr (33:43):
industry that you talk about, you're talking
about agriculture in general in

agriculture in general.

Steven Orr (33:48):
Yeah.
When you look at ag around the world,and of course I grew up in southern
Illinois, so I grew up in corn fields.
I grew up around all of the ag.
I learned commodities at a very youngage, 16 to 18, I learned commodities.
I learned how it all worked.
And when I look at agriculture waspulled up outta the ground, whether
it's corn crops or whether that'salmonds or down here now, oranges,

(34:11):
picked oranges those crops changed.
And the who picks them andhow they're picked today.
I just argued a few minutes ago thatit's gonna be about technology, right?
That in tech, in the future, we won't evenneed people picking any of those things.
It'll be done by a machine.
John Deere's working onall of those things now.
And as we grow as a country andwe progress and we don't need
migrants picking, those migrantswill be doing other jobs.

(34:34):
They'll be either flipping hamburgersand when the ai, and then when the
technology grows from that, we won'tneed them doing that either because
the machine will flip the burger.
So migration is not an immigration.
It's not about what's going on now.
It's about the future.
We have to think about our problem nowto, to solve it, but for the future.
Yeah, we've had a problemwith criminality in the past.
We have, and still do.

(34:54):
We have a problem with gettingthem in now with biometrics, our
technology is behind, but technologycould solve a lot of the problems
that we haven't done in the future.
When we first invented the car,it gave people the ability to
go outside of the cities, right?
But where was the biggestmigration into the country?
Into the cities.
If you think about New York, it was thebiggest influx of Irish in the world.

(35:15):
At what?
At one time.
Why?
Because they had a fam.
And at that time, New Yorkhated the Irish people.
It was terrible.
We don't want to go back to thosekind of days where we hate the
influx of whoever's coming in Today.
It's the southern border tomorrow.
It's the eastern border.
What we have to think about is how we getthem to integrate in a way that integrates
into our psyche of this country.

Right.

Steven Orr (35:35):
I know one of the things that Obama did and I didn't always agree
with it, but when we had this issuewith Somalia, he put them in Minnesota.
Then it became Somaliansversus Minnesotans.
That became a big problem.
You can't just try tohide your immigration.
They're gonna go wherethey want to go anyway.
The question is tracking them,making sure that everything's good
and they're productive and they'rebeing adding to the production of

(35:56):
the United States or in our case.
And I think a lot of people are concernedabout social security too as well.
'cause there's journey insocial security with those.
But I think if you look at thefuture, I think we do not have as
a country, a plan for technologyto be implemented, to track, to
biometric, to the ai, to all of this.
And I think we have a goodopportunity right now to do that.
yet our biggest concernright now is tariffs.

(36:18):
Our biggest concern is it neat?
And the first thing outta Jerremyand Dan's mouth was, Hey it's on the
forefront of everybody thinking here.
So I think for us, I think we needto take that, and I'm looking forward
to Jerremy saying, answer thisquestion, but when do we do this?
Do we do it today or do we waitthree months, five years from now
and hope that things work out?

(36:39):
I don't think that's the case.
I think this is very on the forefrontburner of what needs to get done
and it needs to get happens.
Now or before we could have abreakout of a civil war, right?
In a lot of ways, and I don't meancivil wars and guns and people
fighting each other, but in a waythat we already are a divided country.
It's a very divided country.
And the one and the things thatdivide us are the things that

(36:59):
make the pendulum swing so far.
And one of them was immigration, right?
And the other thing was the economy andwe thought it was sleepy, Joe Biden.
And now we've got a presidentwho's just too, not understanding
the psyche of the United States.
So the problem here is we keepswinging back and forth instead of
having a middle area trying to createthe next level of the United States.
And I look at this country in generaland I look at what needs to happen

(37:20):
in order to us to progress, right?
We need migration, we needimmigration to be on the right path.
It's not gonna work.
If we don't have immigration,we will fall apart.
Elon Musk told you that right now.
You have, you already, it'salready seeing that in Europe.
They're already cutting rates becausetheir GDP is falling apart right now.
Our GDP is already slowing down andTrump is already upset about the
inflation rate coming down and hecan't get the rates to come down.

(37:42):
He's already upset.
So what do we do in the nextyear or two to make this happen?
And I think we need pressure the lawmakersthat are behind this, and then pressure
enforcement and then pressure the courtsbehind it or nothing's gonna happen.

Let me ask you this and to, to David's point.
Big round numbers forabout the last 50 years.
We've had about a million people we'llsay, legally immigrate into get through
this Byzantine system and actuallyimmigrated to the United States.
They got all their paperwork andthey got all their visas, about a
million people to become permanentresidents in the United States.

(38:16):
And then about a million people ontop of that have been undocumented.
And that's been true for about 50 years.
Those are the numbers,a million and a million,

Steven Orr (38:26):
Yep.

except for the last four years where not entirely sure.
We know that there was about 9 million.
Touch points at the borders,
That's very incomplete andthat's often like the same
person, like three or four times.
So best guess is the last fouryears, it's been about three

(38:48):
or four times that, right?
So not a million, but nowthree or 4 million think.
What would you all think of something likea pause being like, Hey, like we hear you.
What?
Last week we interviewed firstand second generation immigrants.
They were either sons and daughtersof first generation immigrants
or second generation, right?

(39:09):
Their grandparents came.
the one thing that they said,which I absolutely believe.
Is that the United States isby far the best country on the
planet assimilating differentcultures from all over the world.
Like we have more people frommore places all over the planet.
And we are so good at it that, andthey said the big thing there was

(39:33):
actually everybody just needs to learnEnglish, to and if we learn English,
like everything else comes with that.
And by the second generation,you're all American at that point.
So what would you all think tobe just like, Hey, we know it's
been big the last few years.
We know that it freaks people out, right?
Seeing a lot of change very suddenlywe know that it also inflames a certain

(39:53):
amount of racism on top of that, right?
what would you all think to be just like,okay, hey, we're gonna cool our jets,
we're gonna take the next five years.
Like we did actually in theforties, fifties and sixties and
seventies, we were like, eh, thisis gonna be a little bit of a pause.
Is that a, would that be agood idea or not so much?

What's a pause?
Yeah.

Steven Orr (40:14):
And how long is the pause, I think is the question

So I'm gonna go back to your point, Dave, in the beginning is, why
don't we start and Stevens, let's use ai,let's use the technology we have, let's
start making people line up and E-Verify.
You've got, you got 120 days, you gotsix months, whatever it is to E-Verify.
don't E-Verify yourself, then adios.

This goes back to what Steven was talking about at the beginning
of this, which was economic, right?
We have created an underclass of people.
Do not get minimum wage.
They do not have any job guarantees.
They don't have access to any kind ofbenefits if they do lose their jobs.
They are permanent underclass andthey are effectively human trafficked.
Like they can be turned over to ice.

(40:59):
They can be threatened withdeportation if they don't work
how they want to be worked.

In the state of California.

Steven Orr (41:04):
You, you're almost harkening back to the time of Hitler calling them.
Mentions, right?

No.

Steven Orr (41:08):
have a lower class of humanity in it.

Absolutely not.

of California, you get a job and you're not
being paid at least minimum wage.
I don't care if you'redocumented or undocumented.
If you turn that employer in fornot paying you at least minimum
wage, that employer's going to paythe penalty, not that employee.
So yeah, you don't have that.
The actual immigrant, non-documentedworker has just as many rights in

(41:35):
California as a documented worker doeswhen it comes to pay and benefits.
And the state of Californiawill say, you know what?
You're gonna get unemploymentnow you're undocumented.
And that's what's goingon here in this state.
And I hear what Steven was sayingabout, hey, cornfield's in southern
Illinois and my kids played,baseball through the Midwest.

(41:57):
I've been through a lot of cornfieldsin Kansas and everything else.
I see it all out there.
And you know what?
Cornfield's getting picked by machines.
I get it.
It doesn't mean, Hey, let's pausethe world and pay for 13, 14
million illegal immigrants untilour technology catches up with it.

(42:18):
Or until we no longer need thatworkforce, what are we gonna do with them?
Train 14 million people on a new job.
We acted so irresponsiblythe past five years

Steven Orr (42:30):
have.

that we have to take drastic measures.
And I think the only thing that Icould agree with is let's use ai, let's
separate those that have been herefor 10, 15 years that are productive.
And I'm sorry if you don't fit inthat class, you've got 60 days,
90 days to exit the country and ifyou can't do it, we'll help you.

Steven Orr (42:50):
Yeah, but Dave, if I told you that right now in the
United States, there are 10 millionjobs available right now and only
6 million can actually fill 'em in.
And guess who's filling them in?
Nobody.
Nobody wants to do those jobs.
The migrants are coming herebecause they just said earlier
that we are the envy of the world.
So when they come here, they'relooking for a better life.
And I agree with that.

(43:10):
I have

if I do your math and I think your math's way off that
only 26,000 kids were brought intothis country that are undocumented.
That are being trafficked, that are beingsold and raped eight to nine times a day.
that doesn't make you sick.
And you don't say, oh, I'm sorry.
That's just a small percentageof the people that came across.
Let's not focus on that.

Steven Orr (43:30):
No, I,

bs.
I call bs.
I say, you know what, send 'em all out andbring 'em back in the proper way because
I'm not gonna sit by and watch somekid get raped eight to 10 times a day.
I don't care if it's one.
And if it were for your kids, you'dhave a whole different perspective.

Steven Orr (43:46):
I think the first thing I said about that is that if you're criminally
caught, you should be hang the gallows.
I think that was exactlythe words that I said.

I agree with you.
But you also said right beforethat, It was only about, 0.002%

Steven Orr (43:59):
So you're

only.
Only about.

Steven Orr (44:02):
I don't, when you throw the baby outta the bath water, that's
like saying that we should, whenI look at the country in general,
and I say, okay, I understand it.
There's some really bad thingshappening in the world, but believe
it or not, there are some reallygood people here too, Dave, and we're
doing some really good things in this

I I told you I work with them

Steven Orr (44:21):
stop creating technology because maybe there's
some bad people that are hackers.
That it's not, it doesn't add,it's not apples and oranges.
Here.
I've said this a million times andI'm probably harder on those, the
criminality side of things than anybody.
I'm the one that doesn't give 'emthe gallows, send 'em off the,

and I'm working with those guys.
I'm working with those guys now,some of which are undocumented.
I'm sure I'm paying 'em a subcontractor,so I don't have to see that verification.
That's up to the sub to do.
But I know what I'm hearing from them.
We've had this conversation over thepast 60 days not six months ago, not
six years ago, over the past 60 days.
'cause we started thisproject about the 8th of July.

(44:58):
And those that are documented,Hispanics documented are saying,
telling everybody go get documented.
If you're not screw you, you shouldget kicked outta the country.
I've got a Israeli general contractorwho's married to an American who had
two kids in Israel, and they had to gothrough that whole vetting process, and

(45:20):
the kids had to be verified to be theirsand all, they went through that process
and they're saying the same thing.
I went through that process.
You know what?
Screw these guys that didn'tgo through the process.
Screw them for coming overhere and doing it illegally.
And when the Hispanics are saying itabout their own people and Israelis are
saying it about Europeans, why is weAmericans just saying, eh, let it go.

(45:41):
Let it go.
We'll figure it out.
Give him a chance.
Give him a chance.

So Dave, this will be, so this will be an interesting.

it's socially irresponsible to those that are taxpayers,
to those that are here, who, thosethat have paid the price over years.
And to see our school systemsand our hospital systems and our
medical system all be overrun.
Court systems all be overrunbecause we were so irresponsible.
And just say, you knowwhat, we'll absorb it.
We'll assimilate this throughtechnology over the next five years.

(46:08):
I'm sorry, we don't have five years.
We can destroy this country in five years.
We have to take immediateaction and the immediate action.
I'm with you, Steven.
Let's kick it, AI in and startseparating the good from the bad
or at least the good from the gray.
Say, okay, let's focus on the great part.
But we have to take immediate actionand we can't just throw our hands up

(46:29):
in the air and say, you know what?
Agricultural rebound, or we'll move'em into another sector of the economy.
Or, and I'm on the,I'm on the tariff side.
I'm having to pay the 30%tariffs on products coming into
the US that I paid 4.4% before.
But I can also tell you that myfriends over in China applauding it

(46:49):
because you know what, it happenedthe first time with Trump, they were
now able to afford American products.
My quality control manager overin China me up in a Ford festiva
that he was so excited and proud.
Look, Dave, I got a new car.
Check this out.
Isn't this brilliant?
This is beautiful.
I said, what'd you pay for that 40,000 us?
I'm like, it's an 18,000 car in the USwas at the time, this is a few years back.

(47:13):
He had to pay a hundredpercent tariff on that vehicle.
So yes, I understand it maynot be the top priority when we
have this, but you know what?
Slap it in place and let it, whichis what he did, slapped it in place.
Let it work itself out.
But we're gonna createmore jobs in America.
And I can tell you what happenedimmediately was everybody I know in my

(47:35):
industry shifted and said, how else?
How else can we do this?
Can we, how much ofthis can we do at home?
How much of it can we do in Mexico?
How much of it can we do in Vietnam?
Can we do it in, they made animmediate shift based on that.
And I'm hoping that more ofit will come back to the us.
But to your point, Steven, if we'rehaving declining agriculture and
we have better technology and it'seliminating those jobs, don't we

(47:58):
have to create more jobs in order to.
Find a place for thesepeople to assimilate to.
We have to do it's a simultaneous,it's a parallel path.
You've gotta create more jobs becausewe're losing jobs to technology.
And you can't just keep bringing ina floodgate of immigration and say,
eh, we'll assimilate them over time.
It's too difficult on the GDP.

(48:19):
It's too difficult.
Our GGDP is down.
I agree.
And it's ground probablybecause of tariffs.
It's not because of lack of workforce,it's because of tariffs and people are
laying people off 'cause they can't affordit when they don't have product to sell.
So it is, it's caused a temporary problem.
I understand that.
But the temporary problem is alsothat we have a way too large of a

(48:41):
immigration bubble, if you will,that is now taxing every aspect
of our life, every aspect of it.
And I see it more in Californiathan probably anywhere.
Because we've got a governor that's justout of control with what he's doing.
And they had no King's Day here andthey should have been up in Sacramento.
'cause if there's a king anywherein the world it's in Sacramento.

(49:04):
This guy is destroying this stateand it's just it's horrible.
And the fact that they even keephim in office after burning,
whatever it was, 4,000 homes thatwere well over $3 million each.
You just say, eh, I saved the salamander.
It's just unconscionable what's going on.
And you can't just sit thereand say, we'll, assimilate it.
Over time it, we don'thave that kind of time.

(49:26):
We haven't got those kind of resources.

Steven Orr (49:29):
When I hear people say the country can't handle another five more
years, they can't handle the countrywill fall apart in five more years.
I almost discre that.
Almost immediately, this countryhas gone through a whole lot worse
problems than this throughout time.
And while immigration is a hugeproblem, this country has gone through
a lot that, you could talk aboutthe civil rights time, you can talk

(49:49):
about wars that we've gone through.
We, we are a very resilient country.
We are very strong in who weare and when other, and I'm
outta the country all the time.
My passport has is covered in blue andpurple in all when I'm over there in
the past, oh, you're an American today.
It's, oh, you're an American.

(50:09):
We do no longer lead inhow people look at us.
We need to lead in allof these things, right?
Whether it's Governor Newsom orGovernor Mundi, who's gonna be
the next mayor of New York City?
It doesn't matter, right?
Because we will get through it.
'cause we are the UnitedStates of America, period.
We will get through it and we willbe better and we'll be stronger.

(50:31):
Warren Buffett said it very clearly.
He said if you were born inthe United States of America,
you already won the lottery.
He told you that.
He said, look, it's true, and that'swhy we have an immigration problem
because we are the greatest country.
If we weren't the greatestcountry, they wouldn't come here.
Or that we wouldn't have a problemif we weren't the greatest country.
Look, we are called the UnitedStates of America for a reason

(50:53):
because every state is different.
California does not have the sameproblems that Florida has or that
Illinois has, or Michigan has.
We each have our own separate,because we're such a big country
and we have different areas.
So when I look at immigration issues inEurope are a little different because
they are separated by nationality and whatthey consider themselves to be French or
German but if you go to countries likeSwitzerland and I, they're, every year

(51:16):
I can tell you it's French, it's German,Italian, and they all get along and they
do have an immigration issue 'cause he

So Steven, now that you've discredited me, what's your point?
What's your point?
You're spinning a bunch of,spinning a little bit of this
and a little bit of that.
You're not addressing the point.
The point is that I was trying to make toyou is that in California, we're overrun.
We're overrun in California.
You wanna talk about Illinoisand corn there, and you wanna
talk about Switzerland thereand discredit me in the process.

(51:43):
Quit spinning the roomand address the points.
This is the problem I have with mostDemocrats is that they are hypocrite
in their responses because Yeah.
Oh, let's talk about this over here.
'cause we're not gonna address thishere address the issues one by one.

Steven Orr (51:58):
this is not a political discussion.
This is a BA based on verysimple of an issue of,

You made it one by discrediting me and that's not gonna fly.
I'm sorry.

Steven Orr (52:07):
I'm sorry.
I don't care about your politics.
I care about the issue and.

You No, you said you discredit me because I said the country
couldn't handle another five years.
I immediately discreditsomebody who says that.

Steven Orr (52:17):
can't, can handle whatever we throw at it because we
are the United States of America.
It's not a political issue.

No.
No, it's not.
We can't handle, you can't saywe have unlimited resources.
You can't say that we cantake on anything in the world.

Steven Orr (52:30):
unlimited

we can.
No.
It's not true.
We're not able to, no.
What you've got to say is wedo have limited resources and
we have to act responsibly.
That I agree with you.

Steven Orr (52:41):
Lemme tell you something.
I know how it works in the oil business.
I'm in there too all the time.
We have so much oil in this country.
We put a nice big bowon and a number on it.
So that commodity, we'vegot plenty of food.
We are the literallybread basket of the world.
You wanna talk about rareearth outside of China.
We are the second largest and rare earth.
Is there a commodity thatyou're interested in?
I'm happy to tell you thenumbers if you'd like to know.

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That's what I do for aliving every single day.
And I can tell you right now,this isn't a political issue.
Immigration is a very seriousissue that we need to tackle, and
it's not based on what Newsom isdoing or what DeSantis is doing.
It's based on how we come togetheras a country to make immigration.
Most immigration right now,problems isn't even in California.
It's in Texas, right?
They're coming across the border in Texas.
Why?
Because they need leatherneckin work in the oil fields.

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They need people in theagriculture that aren't even there.
And there's a problem in Nevada,and there's a problem in Utah.
It's not a California issue alone.
This is a United States of America issue

No, it's a California issue right now because they're you're, no

Steven Orr (53:37):
care about

but the point is because we're so irresponsible
in bringing them in, we did notdirect them to the right places.
We said, come on in, tax our resources.
Go ahead.
We're fine with it.
We'll figure you out later.
That's the problem that we have, isthat we've been irresponsible with
immigration and we cannot continue tobe, we're not carte blanche to the world.

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Yes, we have a great,vast amount of resources.
Every resource can run drylike it has in California.
And we're not gonna just, got peoplein California that are picking
up and shifting to other statesbecause they can't take it anymore.
They're tired of it.
We're paying six and $7 gas and youtell me we got unlimited fuel supply.

(54:21):
Yeah.
But we've got a state that'sgonna tax the hell out of us.
'cause now we gotta makeup for all the immigration.

Steven Orr (54:25):
I tell everybody that lives in California that hates California.
Why the hell are you there?

live here because of my family.

Steven Orr (54:32):
You should say, you know what, if you're defending
the state of California and what'sgoing on you can pick up and leave.
That's what the United States ofAmerica says, Hey, you know what,
there's other states to go to.
So if you really

There's other countries to go to pick up and leave.
You don't like what's happeningwith you as an immigrant?
Pick up and leave, goback to your own country.
I'm in California because mykids happen to be here and I have
some family that I need to spendsome time with my actual home.
Legal

Steven Orr (54:54):
those

My li my legal residence.
My legal residence is Colorado.
company is based in Nevada.
So the fact that I happen to bein California right now is because
of some family obligations,but it's not 'cause I love it.

Steven Orr (55:10):
are in the United States is because they have work here and
they have family here that you justtold me your only answer, right?
They can go where they need togo to, but it may make a better
life for their own families.

Huh?
At the cost of the taxpayers until wecan figure out how to assimilate 'em.

Steven Orr (55:24):
are you

I'm sorry.

Steven Orr (55:25):
to?

I'm sorry.

Steven Orr (55:26):
Are you paying to California?
Are you paying Nevada
To Colorado?

I pay California taxes every time I go fill up my gas tank.
I took Sarah out to dinner last night.
I paid 10 and a half percent tax on food.
So yes, I'm paying taxes all daylong that are helping to support
the broken system in California.
Anytime I do business in California,yes, I pay California taxes on the
business I do in California as well.

(55:51):
So yeah, I pay California taxes.
I also pay Colorado taxes, andI also pay taxes in Nevada.
They're just in various different forms.
So no, it's
In every situ, every place that I'm at.
But I take real offense to somebody,telling me we can just bring on
the entire world and bring 'em intothe United States because we're
the greatest country in the world.
We have unlimited resources.

(56:12):
And if you say otherwise,you're discredited.

No I think it's

You're

I think it's super fair as somebody who moved from California
to Florida, I think it's super fairthat the ninth largest economy on the
planet like that's California is alsorunning the worst deficits this year.
And they're trying to figureout how to balance their budget.

(56:36):
Some of that is definitely tied to all ofthe different programs that are going on.
They are not hiding the factthat they do pay a lot of money.
A lot of money goes out fora lot of social services.
So I think it's fair to say thatdepending on the state, there is
an unequal burden across states.

(56:57):
And like I live in Florida now, andfrankly they just don't pay like the
state of the school system in thecounty that I live in is abysmal.
So it depends on the state.
So I think it is fair to say that toboth of your points, we do have unlimited
resources in the sense that we have moreoil than any other planet on Earth, right?
That is a shocking thing for most peopleto hear, we have so much oil, that's

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one of our biggest exports, and thatsome states are cratering because of
the burdens on them and some aren't.
So I think that there's a certain amountof aspect to this that is also true.
What you said David, was that.
The foreign policy for the UnitedStates for the last hundred plus years
has been to put our nose in everycountry's business, our foot on most

(57:47):
of their necks, all through Centraland South America and the Caribbean.
Like we've overturned more governmentsand we've made, any number of
countries absolutely miserable.
And I don't know about you,but yes, America is like the
greatest place on the planet.
I can't imagine living someplace else.
And I'm sure for tens of millionsof people, they didn't wanna

(58:08):
leave their country either.
so is there something to be saidabout US foreign policy, and if we're
making America great again, makingVenezuela great again, making Haiti
great again, making Cuba great again.
What do you think our role is?
Not only in creating thisproblem, but also fixing it and

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starting with foreign policy.

Yeah I agree.
I agree that we havehistory of overstepping in
countries we didn't belong.
And some of it to the benefit of thosecountries and some of it to the detriment.
I'm not dodging your question tosay that, is from Seoul, Korea.
Her family migrated herewhen she was eight years old.
She didn't speak lick of English.

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Her parents were, her father wasa pharmacist, her mom was a school
teacher, and they got over here.
And those certifications thoseskill sets couldn't apply.
So they ended up doing differentjobs and she lived a very life
for her first five or six years.
And her brother's now a Los AngelesCounty prosecutor, and she's a

(59:16):
optometrist and has been one for20 plus years, 30 years very very
productive and contributor to society.
But we stuck our nose inSouth Korea in a good way.
We could, my father fought in South Korea.
I think in other places we've stuck ourfoot in, especially in the Middle East,
and we did like you said, stepping onthe neck of some people and doing it in a

(59:38):
backhanded way that, should be ashamed of.
I agree.
If we put more resources into makingsome other countries better so
they didn't have to migrate here,maybe that's a good thing too.
I'm talking about.
Where we are immediately, the immediateproblem, I'm not talking about five years,
six years, eight years down the road.
I'm talking about how do we fix it today.

(01:00:00):
And the best thing that I can agreewith Steven on is let's put ai, let's
get fricking technology cranked up and

Jerremy Newsome (01:00:10):
So rather than so David, you're saying rather than a
mass deportation, so let's say Hey,if you're here by, go through some
channel of using technology just tospeed up the entire process that you
could do a week from now to say, whoshould stay here and who should not?

David Williams (01:00:25):
We're out there trying to use a guppy net to pick up, what
we should be casting a huge net for.
And the only way you can, wecan't afford to cast the huge
net, so let's put E-Verify in,let's put AI in and let's separate

What are we E-Verify?
If they're illegal, whatare wever verifying?

I'd make 'em well.
To Steven's Point that, we should beable to do a scan, but biometrics, but
the, now your question, does Mexicohave a database the biometrics of these
people that we can cross reference?
That's, that would be my biggest concern,is how many of these people aren't
registered in their own country froma biometric standpoint, but I think

(01:01:04):
you have to it it's the only way we'regonna be able to solve it fast, quickly
is I think all the resources at ice.
Is trying to scoop up theocean with a guppy net.
I think if you use at leastE-Verify to identify the good ones,
The bad ones won't bestanding in line to E-Verify,

interesting.
Yeah.

days, give 'em six months to E-Verify.

So Steven what do you think wastes more taxpayers money?
Would it be like milesof unused border walls?
The 70 billion for the CBP?
Our boy David just mentionedice, that's 70 billion

Steven Orr (01:01:44):
let's break that down.
That's a lot to unpack andI think it's a great point.
There's been some good points there.
The first, I think I would say is whenyou look at the border wall, that was
the biggest waste of money period.
Because guys were climbing over thefences, or they're crawling under
or whatever they can get around it.
I, border wall was just nonsense.

(01:02:04):
Now speaking from a former Department ofState employee and someone who believes
in diplomacy and sticking our nose inother places, absolutely we should.
We've stuck our nose in places thatprobably shouldn't have been, but as
my former employees would say, I wouldrather be over there making peace than
having them come over here and making war.
So in a lot of ways, there's a reasonwhy we're over there is to make sure

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that they have a much better life.
So China did the very smart thing.
What did they do?
They stuck their nose into all of Africa.
now control most of the continentof Africa through finance.
Ask, of the water now isrun through African money or
through a Chinese war money.
That, that we started thatprocess but did not finish it.

(01:02:47):
The second thing I'd say here now isthat we also need to fund better the
State Department itself, diplomacy.
And we just laid off how manyemployees there again I believe
in, in, in peace more than war.
Nobody wins in war.
And when you have people intheir own country that are not
happy, that's when war happens.
Just ask Somalians.

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Just ask the Haitians.
Just ask the Iranians right now that inthat border and gaza's a problem, right?
Because they hate eachother's lives, right?
So when I look at the United Statesand how do we fix this problem,
fix it over there first, andnot have them come here, Right?
If we help them have a betterlife in their own country, we
won't have an immigration issue.
They'll be like, why don't wantto go to the United States?

(01:03:28):
I have a better life in Mexico.
I have a better life in Canadathan I did in the United States.
Why do I want live in France, soI don't wanna go to the United
States and immigrate there'cause I have a better life here.
That's what they want.
And they wanna live with their familiesand they love the way that they lived or
they wouldn't live in those areas, right?
Or that's where their business is.
That's where their families are.
They won't wanna move if theylive in a much better situation.

(01:03:49):
So when those look, living in SouthFlorida, in Key West, at some point we
had a wet foot dry foot policy, Which

Yeah.

you made it over in a boat, whatever that submarine or that 30
stroke engine, whatever that thing was,aluminum foil put together from Cuba.
If they could make it here, hell yeah.
Let 'em be here because they've justbraved sharks and everything else in
bad water and weather to a better life.
And majority of them didn't make it.

(01:04:18):
A lot of them didn't make it over here.
They, a lot of themdied on the way over it.
Or they got stopped by a US CoastGuard and they didn't make it that
with foot drive po foot policy.
But if they're willing to gethere, there's wrong with that.
I think that's exactly the weatherwe should be, if you look at.
Little Haiti now, andlittle Cuba and Miami.
They'll say the same thing.
You know what?
They left Cuba because of Castro.

(01:04:40):
It was a worst economyand a worse dictatorship.
So they came here.
If we make their lives betterin those countries, they
will not want to come here.
So I'm okay with that.
You wanna say, what?
Where should we spend our moneyand where should we spend in the
State Department spend it in?
In U-S-A-I-D, which was what?
We're cutting.
It's the biggest cut right now.

(01:05:00):
The state department's budget to,according to the federal government,
the all of it is less than 1%.
Now, 1%.
If we really wanted to solve theproblems, spend money in places that
makes diplomacy and makes their livesbetter, United Nations should have more
money than they have right now in orderto make, and that won't be a US problem.
It'll be a world problem tohelping solve those problems.

(01:05:20):
Then we don't have to worryabout immigration issues.
Then we don't have to worry aboutbiometrics and all that other stuff.
Make their lives better over there.
They won't wanna come here.

It's fascinating.
Love that take.
Let's do one last question.
And again, I will say I loveboth of your hearts for the
individuals and for the people too.
I mean, like, it, it just really shinesthrough the discussion because ultimately
that's what we're talking about.
And we do realize that it's all complex.
Every single person, everylife, they all have a story.
They all have families, they all havetheir trials, their tribulations,
what they're trying to do, thedreams, the achievements, the jobs,

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the careers, their home, their kids.
I mean, that's reallywhat, it's the discussion.
It's extremely complex.
And we realize that we're notgonna solve the problem in a phone
call and a webinar and a podcast.
Dave and I also, we've had afew discussions where we go,
wow, that's actually probablya solution for this problem.
Or there's a realsolution for this problem.
There's a real solution.
We came into immigration realizingthere's probably not gonna

(01:06:14):
be like a oh that's solved.
But
I would like to pose this question becauseI think it'd be interesting 'cause both
of you're extremely great business owners.
You're great entrepreneurs, very powerfulmen, very thought through gentlemen.
Where do you both see privatesector innovation, potentially
solving what government couldnot in this specific situation?

(01:06:36):
Let's go with Steven first.

Yeah, I think it starts with the private sector and not
in the government sector, becausewhy and Dave have both said it,
nothing's changed since the nineties.
That's the first time thebills have, so this is not
gonna happen to the government.
We need to understand that even if wewant laws change and we want the judicial
system to actually, it's gonna startwith the US as business owners to set the

(01:06:58):
policy right, to be able to say, look.
We know that there's animmigration policy problem.
We know that there arepeople, there are bad hombres.
I'll say There are badhombres here, right?
But.
If we take the general idea that everybodyis just bad coming in this country that,
okay, throw the baby out with the bathwater, then that's not gonna solve the

(01:07:21):
problem for those owners in the farms.
It's not gonna solve the problemfor the Dr. Hortons of the world who
need people to build those homes.
It's not gonna solve the problem.
So I think it does start with uspressuring our member of Congress.
I think it does start with us saying,look, let's spend more money in diplomacy.
Let's spend more money of my hard earnedmoney that I spend taxes on the day,

(01:07:43):
spend taxes on California and not wasteit on fixing the salamanders problem.
But actually gettingthe deep heart problem.
All right.
If you're saying that the biggestproblem is human trafficking, let's
put those guys to the test and sendthem out and put 'em the chopping block
as I've been saying, that needs tobe pressure from the business owners.
That needs to come frompressure financially, right?

(01:08:04):
If that member of Congress isn'tdoing it as business owners, then
maybe we should start puttingmoney to people that will do that.
Maybe we should start putting P packmoney together that says, okay, this
organization is supporting my ideasabout getting rid of the bad ombres.
This is the place I wanna spend moneyin order to make diplomacy better.
Because right now, all we care about,and this is I think why a lot of

(01:08:27):
people were attracted to MAGA in thefirst place, is they felt that the,
people ask me all the time aboutpolitics and why is it so divided?
And I said, look, lemmetell you something.
Donald Trump and Bernie Sanderswere talking to the same people.
What?
Bernie Sanders on the far left, andDonald Trump's in the far right.

(01:08:48):
That's right, but he is talkingto the same people because what
they're saying is you didn't geta fair shake in the United States.
You didn't get to live the American dream.
Okay?
So my path is this way, and my path isthis way, but we're both down charting.
We're not the ones that arehappy, so we want to change it.
That's why politics is so separated.
there are people don't really, thatwant to solve the problem, and the

(01:09:11):
business owners don't want problemsbecause the more problems that are
solved and the less problems wehave, those people spend more money.
And businesses grow andimmigration comes in the right way.
So I think as business owners, wehave an, obligation to set some of
those policy ideas to those people.
And I think Jerremy thanks.
And Dave, thanks for having me onthe show because, this is really,
a lot of ways members of Congressactually will be seeing this.

(01:09:34):
People that actually do makedecisions will be listening to us
at, on Dave's side, Dave's point andmy points and our points together
that maybe we could come together.
If Dave and I can come together on thisshow here and talk about how to get the
things done, maybe they can do it too.

Yeah.
Fascinating.
Love that.
David Williams, what's your thoughts?
Private sector?
What should we be doing?

I think that, i've been consistent.
I think Steven's consistent in thisthought too, we can use technology
to separate to refine that process.
I think we use privatesector to refine it as well.
If you're a gainfully employed person,you've been employed with me for the
past, four or five years we shouldbe able to vouch for these people to

(01:10:15):
say, Hey, look, here's an exception.
This is not somebody you wanna round up.
So I think that we can vouch for people,we can accredit people that are here.
But I do disagree that we're just roundingeverybody up and throwing 'em out.
I've not seen that.
I've seen most of 'em are goingthrough criminal background checks.
Most of 'em are being roundedup because they are criminals.
I think the focus on the securityof the country has been on,

(01:10:38):
let's get the bad ones first.
Let's get the bad ones first.
But I think that we can use technologyand I do think that we can use
the private sector to identifywho that is at one point in time.
And I, forgive me guys, I'm somewhatblindsided by the topic when I
got the thing a couple hours ago.
But at one point in time, orange Countywas the 34th richest economy in the world.
Orange County alone, 90% of which was runby companies with less than 50 employees.

(01:11:04):
So we are the private sector.
Orange County is the 34.
Again, these statistics go back away.
They may have changed, but if you'rethe 34th richest economy and you're
employing less than 50 people itshould be real quick and easy to be
able to say, Hey, look, I can verify,25, 40%, 50%, 75% of my workforce to

(01:11:26):
say, look, they've been here, they'vebeen here for x amount of time.
I can verify them.
Let's give them a pass.
Let's focus on the bad.

Got it.

because we don't have the resources, we don't have the

Yeah.

to address all 13, 14 million people that came across
in that short period of time.
So how do we use the resources we have?
I think AI is one of 'em.
I think the private sector to vouchfor others is another way to do it.
But we have to separate, we haveto separate divide and conquer.
Because I agree, you can't throwthe baby out with the bath water.
We don't have the resources for it.

(01:11:58):
We don't have unlimited resources.
Steven, I'm sorry I'll argue thatpoint till the cows come home.
But we do have, we have to use thebest of the resources that we have.
And I think the private sectorand AI would be the best.
Two things we could implement immediately.
And I think you're right.
Congress.
make Congress get involved.
Make them stand up and do

Hold 'em accountable.

And,

I'll say this.

get started on term limits because I guarantee
around doing absolutely nothingand have been for 20 plus years

Whole different conversation.
Yes.
And, but I'm a big proponent ofterm limits because you have it in
literally everything else imaginable.
So like every other field of all,even in military, they kick you
out at a certain point, right?
If you've been servingfor they're like, bye.
So yes, a hundred percent.
Like we should have somelevel of adequacy there.

(01:12:49):
But I will blend both of your statements.
From my perspective, from mypoint of view, we have unlimited
nothing, but we have a, we have aninfinite amount of finite resources.
So David what that would mean fromthe abundance standpoint, like the
amount of oil that's on earth islike the grains of sand on a beach.
Like it's so innumerable though.
It is finite.

(01:13:10):
'cause it's contained,it's extremely large.
Just like money.

Yep.

can say that money is also finite, but there is much of it
that it feels and can act very infinite.
So ultimately that is a blendof an abundance mindset.
At the same time, a realizationof, yeah, there's not an unlimited
amount of anything on earth.
'cause earth is a containedspherical, it's contained.
So there's an infiniteamount of finite resources.
But to that statement and to thatwrap up, here's, I would love to ask

(01:13:38):
both of you, and again, thank you forbringing us both energy excitement, two
counterintuitive points that have reallyallowed both myself and Dave to take
extremely adequate notes about what wecan and could do relatively quickly.
Because again, to the point of.
The innovation sectorfor the private sector.
We have thousands and thousands ofpeople listening to this podcast.

(01:14:01):
That's a humongous businessopportunity, right?
Being able to create the biometrics,being able to create the ai, being able
to create the legal aspect that canmove things along a lot faster and can
read through the complexities, it canstart solving some of those problems.
That's a huge opportunity.
So with that being stated David,Steven, do you have anything to
share as a final with our listeners?

(01:14:21):
And do you have anything that you wouldlike to promote or discuss or provide?
Have David Williams.
You go first.

I'm frustrated from a standpoint of.
Having to just literally deal with theNo Kings Day, walking right down the
street and being thrown in my face.
Which I found to be very hypocriticalbecause that they're standing up for
migrants that Clinton, Obama we'remuch tougher on than what's, what,

(01:14:49):
than any other administration has been.
But you're gonna turn around andscream at Trump for, saying, Hey,
we gotta get under control after,the floodgates were just opened up.
So my frustration is in this current stateof affairs, the media is propagating to
create this division within the country.

Oh, we can all agree on that.

Seven, 75% of us are concerned about immigration.
What was the otherstatistic that you have?
And 55% of us are unhappy withit, I think is we're the same
55% that voted Trump into officesaying, look, we want to change.
We wanna stop this.
It was probably the number, in my opinion,the number one issue on the ballot.

(01:15:29):
And I think that as long as themedia the George Soros of the world
want to continue to pay, we hadads here in Southern California.
Go protest, we'll sendyou $3,000, literally in
Craigslist ads in nextdoor ads.
Which then fuels the propaganda.

(01:15:50):
That's not gonna fix anything.
All it's gonna do iscontinue to create divide.
That's what I saw in my neighborhood,walking down the street on No Kings Day.
and what was going on withthe protesting in downtown la?
It was so contained in a smallarea, right around an ice
facility downstairs or downtown.

(01:16:10):
But if you looked at it acrossthe national News, LA was on fire.
People are right.
Burning cars left and right.
It was within a threeblock, four block area.
It's.

Small.

Yeah, it was extremely small, made to be a huge issue, which
then propagated the, no Kings Day,which then, you know, depending on what
part of the country you were in, wehad probably, I don't know, 25, 30,000
people down on the beach in Santa Monica.
It went very peacefully.
There wasn't any kind of unrest oranything like that, and in Orange
County, they showed up and got ran off.

(01:16:41):
Depending on where you're at, it wasa big deal or it wasn't a big deal.
But it's frustrating that somebody comesinto office, voted in by, the largest,
popular vote in recent history with one ofthe best approval ratings in a 90 day, 120
day stretch, whatever it was that he had.
And then turn around and say, thatwe're shutting down the country.

(01:17:05):
No King's Day.
We don't want himdictating what's going on.
It was a very small minority of peoplethat were really protesting in, in a loud
way that the media made to be a huge deal.
And that's what's causing theseparation in this country.
I think there is a solution.
I think Stephen and I can agreethat, least there's technology that

(01:17:25):
could help to resolve a lot of this.
And I think that was a brilliant ideaof Stevens to put the AI in there.
I think the private sector canlend a huge hand towards that.
But I think, the media propaganda andthe paid protesting and all that kind of
stuff is not helping our country at all.
It's just making us more divided.

I agree on the media piece.
100%. Steven.
Big beat, my man.
Do you have anything to promote,share, or anything as a final?

I think that you talk about the media in general and you
say, okay, the media's split, andthere's a right wing side to it, and
there's the left wing side to it.
places like this, Jerremy and Davethat you guys, that you're putting
out there to giving a platform forthose of us who are on both sides to
talk about things in a more betterway of explaining our positions and

(01:18:17):
saying, Hey, there is a middle ground.
Let's find that middle ground.
Because right now all you're seeingis news organizations that are
either one side or the other becausethey want more clicks or they want

Yep.
Yep.

Instead of bringing a platform that says, bring all the ideas
together and let's fix the problemfaster right now, that's easier said
than done, and I understand that.
And, but.
When we are looking at thecountry, the next, people say,
okay, let's fix the problem now.
You're not gonna fix immigration tomorrow.
It's just not gonna happen.
but we have to start somewhere.

(01:18:50):
And this is a good placeto start is talking, right?
That's the problem.
We're not talking to each other.
We're letting some people yelland scream on TV and say, this
is the way it's supposed to be.
And then we're having anotherperson go, oh, down a city.
That doesn't accomplish anything, right?
We need to actually have it.
You talk about it from the perspectiveof Martin Luther King, he is.
It's all come together.

(01:19:10):
I look forward to a daywhen it's a better day.
And in order to do that, we have to.
And yes, there's gonna be some issuesand there's gonna be some problems.
There's gonna be some bumps in the road.
But we can talk about technology,we can talk about budgets.
We could talk about how good andbad the country is or financially
was, is immigration good?
But when it comes down to it,immigration in and of itself is

(01:19:31):
actually a very personal thing.
It's either a personal thing.
If you're a business owner and yougo, okay, this is hurting my business.
I don't have enough immigrantsworking for me, it's a personal thing.
If my sisters in United States and I'mfrom Mexico and I can't see my family
because I can't be with them, it'sa personal thing on so many levels.
That's why it's a heateddiscussion, right?
If it wasn't an issue that didn't reallyresonate in the hearts of every person,

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75% according to the last polls, thenwe wouldn't have this issue, right?
It wouldn't be a dividingissue amongst us.
So there we have an ability asthe greatest country in the world.
Together.
So let's do that.
Let's come together on these kind offorums and let's have this chat and
let's put these ideas together, put itin the AI and say help us solve this.
And then get the biometrics down.
Get the technology side of thisdown and solve the problem.

(01:20:18):
It's, that's, it's reallyto me, and that's that easy.

Yeah.
Yep.
That easy and that, thatchallenging at the same time, right?
Yeah.
I love it.
Gentlemen, David, thank you man.
Thank you for your favor and yourexcitement and your enthusiasm and
your care for the world, your carefor kids, your care for ending
human trafficking, and just yourgeneral brightness for the world.
And Steven, thank you as well for yourkind reminder that this country was

(01:20:41):
built on amazing principles, principlesof growth, principles of optimism,
principles of hope, and appreciateyou both being a part of the podcast
today, solving America's problems.
You are both incredible men,and thank you for being my life.

Thank you.
Appreciate you.

You guys are awesome.

Jerremy.

Yep.
See you.
Yeah, we got our first fight.
We needed it finally.

Dave Conley (01:21:03):
Loved it.

I loved it too.
Finally, dude, great people.
It was good.

Let 'em roll.

It was good.
I got a lot out of that man.
I learned a lot from that.

Yeah.
What did you learn?

I did learn then, man, California is an absolute dumpster fire.
I did learn that.
Again, relearned it.

As a resident and a few

yeah

a past and future

dude, yes it is.
It's a dumpster fire.
It's our biggest area of reformin this country is Californian.
Truly figuring that out.
And you mentioned the word thatjust boggles my mind, deficit.
America's in a deficit,California's in deficit.
This is a massive problem, but theproblem with American deficit is we
can finance it through other countries.
California can't.
Right?
You can't go out and getCalifornia debt on other countries.

(01:21:47):
Maybe you can.
I don't know if they're doing that.
I doubt it.
But anyway that's one of the thingsthat kind of just reminded me of it.
And ironically enough, David didmake an interesting point, but at
the same time stipulated that likehe wanted a lot of human rights
for immigrants, but is upset thatCalifornia is giving those human rights.
And so that's, that's a tricky one tokind of navigate because you also do

(01:22:12):
want to take care of people, right?
You wanna provide people assistance andcare and, uh, it's a burden probably
'cause of the amount of people and howquickly it happened and the fact that
California has to hold that weight, butthey're still doing it because it's the.
Open air for, Hey, if youwanna come somewhere, come here
and we'll take care of you.
Although California has areally hard time doing that.

(01:22:32):
This is better thanthe alternative, right?
And the thing that I do agree with,and I think that was really kind of the
underlying theme of this discussion,Dave, was the discussion of, Hey,
let's, let's bring in technology tospeed this up because that's available.
It is possible.
And I think a lot of our listenersprobably feel the exact same way.
Technology's not being used in ourgovernment right now to speed things up.

(01:22:57):
Uh, it's still, uh, what was theword you used, use a great word to
describe our governmental system.
Medieval.
Yeah.
It's such a fantastic adjectivebecause I would really agree

medieval.

ultimately it feels like we're in the 1530s in a lot of the
way we handle things and, I think that'sreally what I learned is that that's
probably gonna be an advent that a lotof individuals listening could find
solutions for, could find creations for,could find opportunities for, to really
start integrating that relatively quickly.
What'd you learn, Dave Conley?

I think what gets a couple of things, one of them is
that I appreciate how the currentadministration is burning down the
bridges and setting things on fire andmaking this such a front and center.

(01:23:51):
I disagree with what they are doing.
I find it it's inhumane and it's weirdand it's haphazard and it's expensive.
I mean the billions of dollarsthat they're pouring into this and.
about taxes because it's something thatwe interact with on a fairly basis.

(01:24:11):
We'll complain about the DMVbecause, every now and then we
have to go and get a license.
We'll complain about some aspect ofthe government because it touches us.
And I think most things are ethereal.
We'll talk about safety andwe'll talk about foreign aid.
We'll talk about giantmilitary, industrial complex.

(01:24:35):
But these are, I, like it's notsomething that we can put our
fingers on because it's out there.
is.
like really activatedwith a lot of people.
And I like that.
Even though it's negative,it's touching a lot of people.
And until you start touching alot of people, then you're not

(01:24:57):
gonna see legislative change.
And we've said that over and over again,is that the legislature has just abdicated
everything and left it to one dude.
And the current dude who has his handon the wheel is all over the map, right?
It's everywhere.
It's south African white people cancome in, but let's go invade Greenland.

(01:25:18):
I don't know.
It's

Yeah.

talk.
The second thing I learned was thisisn't an overnight, other than let's
add some technology and let's dragthe government into at least the 20th
century, if not the 21st century.
The longer term thing is what youcome back to over and over again.
It's about education.
And I think it's until we,teach business leaders what

(01:25:45):
it means to, to hire and hire.
And if you are hiring day laborers andif you're hiring undocumented, how do you
get those people into the system properly?
How do you get them ontoPathways for success?
How do other companies spot peoplewho aren't playing by the rules?
Because if one company is playing by therules and another company isn't playing by

(01:26:08):
the rules, who's at a disadvantage there?
It's the one that's playing by the rules.
How do we teach peopleabout the economics of this?
Like if we don't even understand ourown food supply and how that works and
all of the different people who haveto touch your food and where those
people come from, then it becomesthis oh, I just go to the grocery

(01:26:30):
store and there's food there, andthen one day it's more expensive.
You're gonna be like, why?
It's more expensive because suddenlywe started making sure that people
weren't being held in slave labor, soI think there's a lot of education in
order to make this real for people.
I think it's okay, let's bringESL, English is a second language.
Let's make sure that people are getting

Yep.

Make sure that businesses are like on board with this.
Make sure our schools are like, okay,what does immigration actually mean?
How does it work in the United States?
How broken is this?
What's the history of

It's something that never is talked about in school.
That's an, this is not a discussion.

For a nation of immigrants, we don't know anything about it.

correct.
It's mind blowing.
Mind blowing.

I think the short term, I think we got it.
There's a lot of technology and wegotta find, set the thing on fire
because it's gonna drive change.
People are gonna be like, oh my God.
And then longer term, I thinkit's education and like bringing
everybody on board with this.
That's what I learned.

Fascinating.
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