September 17, 2025 • 24 mins
What if AI turns elections into a rigged game? Jerremy, Dave, and Reed confront AI's role in politics, from manipulating outcomes like Cambridge Analytica to amplifying polarization amid Gen Z's civics voids—doubting moon landings while glued to screens. They envision reforms: smarter education, rebellion against tech traps, and pragmatic reps to counter algorithmic threats, urging a future where humans reclaim control.
Timestamps:
- (00:00) AI in Politics: Revolution or Manipulation
- (00:24) Tech's Dark Side: Bias and Overlords
- (16:34) Gerrymandering Fuel: Deepening Divides
- (20:21) Reflections: Education Shifts and Hope
📢 Solving America’s Problems Podcast – Real Solutions For Real Issues
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Alex (00:00):
As schools skip the basics of civics for geometry, voters are
left navigating a system that'sevolving faster than ever—with AI
pulling strings behind the scenes.
Join us as Reed connects the educationshortfall to democracy's big challenges,
from mock elections in class toguarding against algorithmic influence
(00:20):
that could reshape everything.
Reed (00:22):
What do you think about, do you
think that AI is going torevolutionize the democratic process or
our government
Jerremy (00:30):
Ooh.
Reed (00:32):
How dramatically do you think that's gonna change
Jerremy (00:35):
Oh, that's fun.
That's a great question.
I love it, Reid.
Thank you, man.
Man, it's what's wild?
And in addition to that, Iwill answer that question so we
can just pontificate over it.
But when does a robot getinto like Congress, right?
When does you start takingaway certain humans and you
start putting in actual robots?
(00:56):
Ai?
I think for a real integration, areal integration into like American
politics, this will be a crazy take,but I think it's 50 years away.
And the reason I say that, thereason I say that is because
government is very slow.
They're very slow to make changes.
They're very slow to take aadaptations that take away their
(01:17):
control, their speed, right?
'cause they want things to go slow.
That's why they, that's why there areno term limits in certain organizations
where they get to sit back and justcoast in Vermont for 20 plus years and
just do the same thing over and over.
AI is gonna be a massive game changer for,I think, earlier in the political stage.
(01:38):
And I think that'll be, again,discerning information on voting,
asking the AI certain questions.
Like right now, you can type in chatpt, Chachi, pt, almost any amendment
form topic question that's on a ballot.
And you'll get an answer.
Now.
The answer is gonna pull from Redditmostly Pinterest boards, Google.
(02:04):
Facebook, a few other places,is the learning language model.
The LLM is gonna, right now,cha t Rock, a few others.
It's just gonna pull from what'scurrently available, right?
The current pull of information theback and forth conversations that are
happening with people and individuals.
But saying all that to say itshould, if anything, make a lot
of these applications and a lot ofthe certain processes a lot easier.
And I think AI done correctly,robotics done correctly.
(02:30):
The speed and the speed of the internetand the applications done a adequately
creates a post abundance world.
A world where we startstepping away from scarcity.
And people have so muchmore time to create.
They have so much more time to think.
They have so much more time todeliberate because we have machines,
we have robots, we have AI that'sdoing a lot of our manual labor for us.
(02:55):
And we have the ability ashumans to go and reconnect to.
To actually build and toscale and to deliberate.
And I think that absolutely doesexist in the political realm.
Me and Dave's perfect world isindividuals start caring a lot about
going to Washington, DC They care a lotabout becoming incredible politicians.
(03:15):
So it's instead of becoming a movie staror a YouTuber, or you wanna go to the
NFL or a professional soccer player, youwant to become a congressman or woman.
You want to go to the Senate, youwanna become a representative.
You want to be president,placing the nation's brightest.
Most excited, most enthused and positiveindividuals that are well-spoken and
(03:38):
charismatic and caring and kind andempathetic, placing them in government
because now they have time and theyhave income and they have ideas.
They can be assimilated very quickly andeasily and efficiently because of ai.
I think that would be a fun, fun future.
But again, that's my world.
There's a lot of other more negativebiases and approaches of ai, but
that's my rosy colored glasses view.
What do you think,
(03:58):
Reed?
Reed (03:59):
You're talking about 50 years away.
But we I think all you reallyneed to do is tweak the
algorithm to influence outcomes.
Facebook already, what was that?
Cambridge Analytica stuff.
Didn, they influence
the outcome of an election
by
tweaking their algorithm.
I don't know, but I would
(04:20):
have to.
I'm not really sure if I'm spoton that, but, and what if you
have a super intelligent AI justmanipulating what everybody sees?
That, that's all you really need to.
And then the AI can determinewhat outcome it wants or
what outcome it.
(04:40):
The
people who own it wants tohappen, and that will happen
Jerremy (04:44):
But if it's an but
Reed (04:45):
enough.
Jerremy (04:46):
Exactly.
But if it's intelligent, would it beable to, would it be able to give us the
best candidate, right?
Would could it pull cream fromthe crops, could it give us an
algorithmic view of who is the best?
Right now, again, I don't thinkthat AI is actually intelligent.
That's my, again, current belief, right?
It's not artificialintelligence presently.
(05:08):
It is there, there are someapplications that are becoming
smarter and I think obviously thecurve will happen very fast, right?
Five, six years.
It'll become more and more intelligent.
Right now it's just more uniquelyregurgitating what's already on Google.
But to your point, yeah, man, in thefuture, AI actually does sit back and
goes, how can I give Dave and Reid andJerremy this very specific bias in a
(05:32):
way that they're going to assimilateit the way that I want them to so
that I can be their overlord possible?
Right?
You start talking thenMatrix and Terminator.
But again, I think that if thathappens, that's pretty far away and
there is a tipping point where thatcould occur and and hopefully we have
minds in the right place that aresmart enough so that doesn't happen.
Dave (05:52):
So this is
Jerremy (05:52):
What do you think,
Dave (05:53):
yeah, this is a great question.
I
Jerremy (05:55):
is, man.
It's a good one.
Dave (05:57):
I think it's going to, the tipping point's going to be whether or not people
think that the technology is working.
For you or to you,
Because I think a lot of the AI and howit's, coming up is very manipulative.
It's trying to basically separateyou from your money at light speed.
(06:20):
And so as this sort of gets into thesocial space my niece is in HR for like
law firms and she's, she was telling, wewere talking last week and she noticed
something really interesting because she'son the second half of her twenties and
she's talking about who's coming in, liketheir first classes, the recent hires.
(06:43):
And she said, they're so online,they like stare at your they can't
hold a conversation like, likethey're staring at their feet and
you almost have to text them whileyou're standing in front of them.
But Then she's saying that the generationbefore them, maybe the teens, maybe
not your teen Jerremy, but maybe teenand earlier, they're far less online.
(07:06):
They're very selective about whattechnology are because they've seen
what it does to, later generations.
I'm wondering, the, again, back tothe noise versus signal, if people
are perceiving that technology ishappening to them, that we might
create more Luddites that aren't asconnected, that aren't in the swamp.
(07:29):
I've been offline for the lasttwo, three weeks from social
media and my mood's improved.
So I am, I'm curious if there's gonnabe like a rebellion of the humans
against the AI and how that's gonna go.
I, I.
I think it's gonna it's definitelygonna change our culture and
it's gonna change our politics.
It's gonna change everything that we do,and I'm really curious how humans are
(07:52):
going to react to it more than anything
else.
Reed (07:55):
As you gaze thoughtfully out the window.
Jerremy (07:59):
Yeah.
Dave (07:59):
For as long as I can.
Reed (08:01):
I was, to that
point I was looking earlier about whenyou were talking about high school
education and stuff, there was some.
I've read some studies or somesurveys about Gen Z and asking Gen Z,
polling Gen Z about different things.
And it seems like Gen Z has analarmingly level of lack of education
(08:21):
on a lot of things, like a highpercentage of Gen Z doubts that we
landed on the moon, for example.
And other things like that.
So I don't know what direction it'sgonna go, is people being too online just
exposes them to too many TikTok videos.
We didn't land on the moonbecause the camera angles and the,
(08:42):
there's no stars in the background
or, and they're not
presented with the refutationto those arguments.
That's really the
Jerremy (08:49):
Like you can take a telescope and just look at it
and
see.
you can get a really good telescopeand literally, visually look at
what
everyone's talking about.
That's on the moon right
now.
You can see the flags,
you can see them.
Reed (09:01):
we'll just wait till we go back to the moon and the rovers are there.
But of course then it'll bethey flew up there, there was
a secret mission back in 2023
and
they planted the rovers.
Jerremy (09:11):
That's right.
Reed (09:12):
Moon in 1969.
Jerremy (09:14):
Dave, That's it, man.
Solving America's Problems.
Conspiracy Theory edition.
Dave (09:18):
I in.
Jerremy (09:18):
be very fun.
Yeah, I'm in.
But yeah, to, to your point, Reid man,like that is, it's the, we're always
gonna go circle back on education.
That's kinda like my main number oneplatform focus in general is I really
do think and feel and know that thiscountry needs a huge shift in education.
What we're taught, how we'retaught, where we're taught, why we
(09:39):
are taught, because there's, Davementioned the population is increased,
so we need more representatives.
That's one of the most obvious changes,but obviously technology, like the
speed at which things have movedand shifted, and the way that most
teachers and most schools right noware handling the technology shift.
(10:00):
It's just giving a kid a, a Chromebookand saying, Hey, now do everything that
you're doing, but just on this computer.
And they're not, we're not teaching ourchildren how to interact with technology,
how to interact with other humans, how tointeract and really the internal shifts
and the biometric updates that needto happen in order for our species to
(10:23):
evolve adequately is just not occurringbecause the technology is just increasing
at such a rapid pace and rapid speed.
So we'd need big changes there.
And for you to ask that questionabout ai, man, there's gonna be so
many really fascinating, extremelyunique topics on it, because.
The one that I think we glossed over oryou glossed over, I glossed over is the
(10:47):
Cambridge Analytica aspect to all of it.
And when I say Cambridge Analytica,what I mean is the ability for
Facebook, apple, and Google, right?
The CEOs, the decision makers to go,I don't believe that people should
see the information about this.
I'm just gonna make sure they don't
Dave (11:06):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Jerremy (11:07):
it.
It really isn't that hard for them to pullthat off, and it's gonna be very difficult
for individuals to figure it out andto understand what it is and how it is.
Like it's pretty simple for them to flipa switch and just no one see that person
anymore.
That
is
Reed (11:22):
Okay.
Yeah.
Not all that hard is
actually an understatement.
I think
It's mindboggling, mindbogglingly easy,and I think there's an incentive for them.
Facebook actively censors political data.
Facebook does not.
If you post a political post, which I dooften less people will see that than if
(11:44):
you post a picture of your car and yousay, I got, I just went to the car wash.
More people will see that than theywill if you post something about
politics, because Facebook knowsthat politics is polarizing, and so
they make sure that less people seethose posts, which I actually do not
think is good because I think peopleshould be engaging in political.
(12:07):
Discussion and political arguments.
I think it's good for people.
I think it's good for society, andI happen to really enjoy political
arguments and discussions, butI know that most people don't,
most people see it as just people
see it as
advers adversarial,
And just intrinsically adversarial.
(12:28):
And so therefore
Jerremy (12:29):
it is one thing you're not supposed to talk about,
right?
Like societally, sex, religion,money, politics, don't have
conversations about those things.
And I'm over here what else
spins the world around?
Like
Reed (12:44):
I know.
Those are
the things I want to talk aboutlet's talk about religion.
Let's talk about politics.
Jerremy (12:51):
yep.
Agreed.
Agreed, because those are just funtopics and to your point, we can, and
have we can give visible audio audibleexamples of how individuals, and we're
doing it right now can just have an openconversation about something where three
people can either agree or disagree andthey can just have a conversation and
they can have discussions and they canlearn from each other as we have today.
(13:15):
One other thing I would like to learnfrom you, re before we start wrapping
up is earlier at the very beginningyou mentioned that you grew up with
a little bit more, I think you usedthe word electoral information.
Just give us a quick, liketwo minute background.
Why or what shaped you to havemore of an interest in politics.
Reed (13:38):
When I was eight years old, my dad ran for state senate in Georgia and so
we were, that summer when I was eightyears old, 1998, we were on the road
going to every state fair in our district.
And dad was campaigning.
So I had this idea thathe was campaigning.
I knew what was going on, but you didn'treally understand like at the granular
(13:58):
level, it's oh yeah, my dad's runningfor state senate and he's gonna win.
But so we were going to campaignevents and I got to meet, people
like I met Roy Barnes at this one.
Fair.
'cause I think he was campaigning, he wasthe governor of Georgia in the nineties.
He was campaigning as well eventhough he was on the other side.
(14:20):
So I just had this, like passionfor politics from an early age.
'cause I really, it was really fun,when I was eight years old and we were
going, and I was listening to my dadtalk to all these people and try to
convince them to vote for him instead ofthe other candidate who was a Democrat.
And he ran as a Republicanin a rural Georgia district.
And it's been really interestingto see that evolve over the years
(14:42):
because he lost that election andit was a really close election.
And it was, rural kind of Appalachianareas were historic Democrat strongholds
going back to, the Dixiecrats andStrom Thurmond and stuff like that.
They were, it was like that type of voter.
So even though, Nixon really changedthe map in the seventies, it didn't
(15:07):
really fully materialize until.
The two thousands, and now it's a lotdifferent than it was then because
those, that district would absolutelynever be won by a Democrat, even
though it was won by a democrat
25 years ago.
So that's been reallyinteresting to watch.
And,
I just have been passionateabout it basically ever
(15:29):
since I was eight years old.
Just the political process,
Jerremy (15:32):
yeah.
That's awesome, man.
That's really cool.
Yeah.
So it's, so what I heard you say then, isit just starts from as most good education
does, it's gonna start in the homes.
It's gonna start with parents caring,it's gonna start with individuals, just
our moms and dads pouring into us, right?
For every single person who'slistening, you might not think that
(15:53):
your 8-year-old cares about politics,and obviously they're not gonna
be denate voters at eight, but.
Our children will care about anythingthat we tell them they should care
about, and they will begin to understandthe importance and relevance of
anything that we as parents alsofeel is relevant and important.
(16:16):
To wrap up Reid.
If you had 60 seconds on a nationallyranked podcast and you wanted to
give your one line to fix voting inthis country, what would you say?
Reed (16:34):
I'm gonna go back to my hobby horse, which is gerrymandering.
I would tell people that if we electpeople who are strong partisans, they're
not gonna be able to work with people onthe other side because they're strong.
Partisan tilt prevents them from beingincentivized to work across the aisle.
If we like people who are problem solvers.
(16:56):
who are more moderate and can workacross the aisle, then we're gonna
have a functioning government.
And the only way to have a functioninggovernment is to have competitive
districts up and down the board.
And like you said, having morerepresentatives is potentially
one way to achieve that.
But having competitive districts isalso another way to achieve that.
(17:17):
These strong partisans thatjust contribute to more bipolar
polarization in the politicalprocess are not solving problems.
Look at how hard it is forCongress to do anything now.
They're not it's not the wayit was even 20 years ago.
Congress was much morefunctioning than it is now.
(17:38):
And I think that problemreally goes back to
the polarization A but the polarization,which is enabled by the gerrymandering.
Jerremy (17:48):
I love it.
Beautiful.
Take Reid.
Thank you for sharingyour time with us today.
Thanks for pouring into all of ourlisteners with your unique skill sets,
topics, questions, conversations.
Dave, thank you so much as wellfor being here and for all of
our
listeners.
Oh,
re do you have something else to say.
Reed (18:08):
Oh I got a question for you are, so you're planning
on running for president in 2032.
Jerremy (18:13):
Yes, sir.
Reed (18:15):
Are you how do you feel about a potentially another Newsome
being president right before you?
Jerremy (18:21):
I would give the chance of that happening to be very small
and I would love to run against
Governor
Newsom.
It'd be an honor
to
Reed (18:27):
you're right.
I think you're right.
I think his chances arevery small, but it's ironic
that
he
Jerremy (18:34):
It is ironic.
Yeah, it
is ironic.
he
doesn't have the
Reed (18:37):
and if he were to get elected in 2028.
that
could, that could present an issue.
'cause there'll be all these theoriesthat you're like his cousin or something,
Jerremy (18:47):
it's a very valid point.
Yeah.
And we have to be technicallyrelated somehow, although he doesn't
share the e on my last name, I'msure that's a quick little family
fix at some stage in the backlogs.
But yeah, man, ultimately it'dbe an honor for me to share the
stage with anyone that really caresabout creating a better America.
And I think having certain topics andsituations addressed for me is really
(19:10):
focusing primarily on education.
I think fixing that, Ibelieve, fixing that.
I know fixing that will give thiscountry actually what it needs.
versus always just creatingthis, you mentioned it a
million times, polarization.
This bifurcation, this diversificationthat's happening right now where
we're splitting sides versus sayingThe biggest problem is this country
is less smart than we used to be.
(19:33):
We are more unhealthy than everand the way to fix a lot of these
components almost every single timewhen we really drill down into a big
topic that is a thorn in the side ofAmerica, we are deciding and coming
up with more and more relevancy to.
We need to change education.
We need to educate the populace better andin almost every way imaginable, but for
(19:58):
sure, regarding what this country is, whatit stands for, and why it stands for it.
So to our listeners,thank you for tuning in.
Thank you for being here.
Thank you for sharing.
Thank you for tagging us on X andalso Instagram, and we look forward
to continually serving you in futureepisodes of solving America's problems.
Dave (20:22):
Okay, so what did you learn?
What did you learn on this one?
Jerremy (20:25):
What did I learn on this one?
A lot of fun topics, man.
Very circular in thisconversation, which was nice.
Dave (20:32):
Yeah.
Jerremy (20:33):
Discussing everything from ai.
To the degeneration of education againin this country showing up once more in
another topic, in another conversation.
I did learn and I think probablyrelearned my disdain for gerrymandering.
I think a few other peopleshare it which is fun.
(20:55):
That's the big one for me, man, toalso it's just so strange and odd that
eventually and ultimately someone withenough power and insight and wisdom
and also a motive can just go, Yeah.
I want my election to be this way.
And they just boop, take a sharpieout and make sure that happens is
(21:16):
pretty bonkers to me to use your word.
I think that one is,again, it's not illegal.
It's not really a topic.
It's not really something that people arediscussing or having conversations about.
Really.
Ultimately, I think you even said itthere's not tons of people talking
about gerrymandering needs to go away.
We are now, we are discussingthat presently in this podcast,
not only in this episode, butfuture episodes about voting.
(21:38):
I did love hearing and learningthat Reed, a, a gentleman like
myself let's label us a millennial.
Cares, has cared for awhile has enjoyed it.
And I did also hear certain, conversationtopics about his background in school and
how, and the higher education, gettinghis minor in history and things of
(22:01):
that nature is really where he startedsprouting the wings of the additional and
continued education that he currently hasand feels that other people need to have
especially as it relates to this topic.
What about you big man?
What you got for me?
What'd you walk away with?
Dave (22:21):
I gerrymandering is so funny, right?
Because it's totally obviousthat I am gonna dig deep.
I'm gonna see if I can find anybodywho's yeah, I'm pro gerrymandering.
Jerremy (22:31):
Other than a politician.
Dave (22:32):
yeah.
Somebody besides yeah,more gerrymandering.
Jerremy (22:36):
Bring it on.
It's the best.
Dave (22:38):
here's the thing, I, it's not a part of the conversation because
I think everybody looks at it andbe like, okay, that's not fair.
And that, that totally goes against thegrain of everyone, and we're not talking
about it because we are pretty simplewhen it comes to what is important to us.
It's it is the kitchen tableissues, it's safety, it's wealth,
(23:00):
it's education, it's health.
It's not international trade,it's not foreign policy.
It's the what's in it for me at leastwhat is going to help me provide for
my family, have a family, or at leastleave the world a slightly better place.
And gerrymandering's not on that list,but it affects every single one of those.
(23:24):
So I think if we can tie, if we can tiegerrymandering to, hey, this is what's
affecting you, underneath it, right?
This is the meta issue.
The reason we're not talking about yoursafety, your wealth, your education,
the health of you and your family,or leaving the world slightly better
(23:46):
is because you're not represented.
It's,
It is like your representation won'tlisten to you because they don't have to.
That's.
Besides that, AI and that social media,how AI is trained and search engines
are bias, will affect probably theelection of your local dog catcher.
(24:07):
That's terrifying.
So I think that's what I learned.
Jerremy (24:10):
A little spooky, right?
Dave (24:12):
Crazy.
Jerremy (24:13):
Yeah.
definitely Crazy.
Love it.
Awesome.
Dave.
Man, we're gonna continueto dive into the topic.
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continue to solve America's problems.
As schools skip the basics of civics for geometry, voters are
left navigating a system that'sevolving faster than ever—with AI
pulling strings behind the scenes.
Join us as Reed connects the educationshortfall to democracy's big challenges,
from mock elections in class toguarding against algorithmic influence
(00:20):
that could reshape everything.
Reed (00:22):
What do you think about, do you
think that AI is going torevolutionize the democratic process or
our government
Jerremy (00:30):
Ooh.
Reed (00:32):
How dramatically do you think that's gonna change
Jerremy (00:35):
Oh, that's fun.
That's a great question.
I love it, Reid.
Thank you, man.
Man, it's what's wild?
And in addition to that, Iwill answer that question so we
can just pontificate over it.
But when does a robot getinto like Congress, right?
When does you start takingaway certain humans and you
start putting in actual robots?
(00:56):
Ai?
I think for a real integration, areal integration into like American
politics, this will be a crazy take,but I think it's 50 years away.
And the reason I say that, thereason I say that is because
government is very slow.
They're very slow to make changes.
They're very slow to take aadaptations that take away their
(01:17):
control, their speed, right?
'cause they want things to go slow.
That's why they, that's why there areno term limits in certain organizations
where they get to sit back and justcoast in Vermont for 20 plus years and
just do the same thing over and over.
AI is gonna be a massive game changer for,I think, earlier in the political stage.
(01:38):
And I think that'll be, again,discerning information on voting,
asking the AI certain questions.
Like right now, you can type in chatpt, Chachi, pt, almost any amendment
form topic question that's on a ballot.
And you'll get an answer.
Now.
The answer is gonna pull from Redditmostly Pinterest boards, Google.
(02:04):
Facebook, a few other places,is the learning language model.
The LLM is gonna, right now,cha t Rock, a few others.
It's just gonna pull from what'scurrently available, right?
The current pull of information theback and forth conversations that are
happening with people and individuals.
But saying all that to say itshould, if anything, make a lot
of these applications and a lot ofthe certain processes a lot easier.
And I think AI done correctly,robotics done correctly.
(02:30):
The speed and the speed of the internetand the applications done a adequately
creates a post abundance world.
A world where we startstepping away from scarcity.
And people have so muchmore time to create.
They have so much more time to think.
They have so much more time todeliberate because we have machines,
we have robots, we have AI that'sdoing a lot of our manual labor for us.
(02:55):
And we have the ability ashumans to go and reconnect to.
To actually build and toscale and to deliberate.
And I think that absolutely doesexist in the political realm.
Me and Dave's perfect world isindividuals start caring a lot about
going to Washington, DC They care a lotabout becoming incredible politicians.
(03:15):
So it's instead of becoming a movie staror a YouTuber, or you wanna go to the
NFL or a professional soccer player, youwant to become a congressman or woman.
You want to go to the Senate, youwanna become a representative.
You want to be president,placing the nation's brightest.
Most excited, most enthused and positiveindividuals that are well-spoken and
(03:38):
charismatic and caring and kind andempathetic, placing them in government
because now they have time and theyhave income and they have ideas.
They can be assimilated very quickly andeasily and efficiently because of ai.
I think that would be a fun, fun future.
But again, that's my world.
There's a lot of other more negativebiases and approaches of ai, but
that's my rosy colored glasses view.
What do you think,
(03:58):
Reed?
Reed (03:59):
You're talking about 50 years away.
But we I think all you reallyneed to do is tweak the
algorithm to influence outcomes.
Facebook already, what was that?
Cambridge Analytica stuff.
Didn, they influence
the outcome of an election
by
tweaking their algorithm.
I don't know, but I would
(04:20):
have to.
I'm not really sure if I'm spoton that, but, and what if you
have a super intelligent AI justmanipulating what everybody sees?
That, that's all you really need to.
And then the AI can determinewhat outcome it wants or
what outcome it.
(04:40):
The
people who own it wants tohappen, and that will happen
Jerremy (04:44):
But if it's an but
Reed (04:45):
enough.
Jerremy (04:46):
Exactly.
But if it's intelligent, would it beable to, would it be able to give us the
best candidate, right?
Would could it pull cream fromthe crops, could it give us an
algorithmic view of who is the best?
Right now, again, I don't thinkthat AI is actually intelligent.
That's my, again, current belief, right?
It's not artificialintelligence presently.
(05:08):
It is there, there are someapplications that are becoming
smarter and I think obviously thecurve will happen very fast, right?
Five, six years.
It'll become more and more intelligent.
Right now it's just more uniquelyregurgitating what's already on Google.
But to your point, yeah, man, in thefuture, AI actually does sit back and
goes, how can I give Dave and Reid andJerremy this very specific bias in a
(05:32):
way that they're going to assimilateit the way that I want them to so
that I can be their overlord possible?
Right?
You start talking thenMatrix and Terminator.
But again, I think that if thathappens, that's pretty far away and
there is a tipping point where thatcould occur and and hopefully we have
minds in the right place that aresmart enough so that doesn't happen.
Dave (05:52):
So this is
Jerremy (05:52):
What do you think,
Dave (05:53):
yeah, this is a great question.
I
Jerremy (05:55):
is, man.
It's a good one.
Dave (05:57):
I think it's going to, the tipping point's going to be whether or not people
think that the technology is working.
For you or to you,
Because I think a lot of the AI and howit's, coming up is very manipulative.
It's trying to basically separateyou from your money at light speed.
(06:20):
And so as this sort of gets into thesocial space my niece is in HR for like
law firms and she's, she was telling, wewere talking last week and she noticed
something really interesting because she'son the second half of her twenties and
she's talking about who's coming in, liketheir first classes, the recent hires.
(06:43):
And she said, they're so online,they like stare at your they can't
hold a conversation like, likethey're staring at their feet and
you almost have to text them whileyou're standing in front of them.
But Then she's saying that the generationbefore them, maybe the teens, maybe
not your teen Jerremy, but maybe teenand earlier, they're far less online.
(07:06):
They're very selective about whattechnology are because they've seen
what it does to, later generations.
I'm wondering, the, again, back tothe noise versus signal, if people
are perceiving that technology ishappening to them, that we might
create more Luddites that aren't asconnected, that aren't in the swamp.
(07:29):
I've been offline for the lasttwo, three weeks from social
media and my mood's improved.
So I am, I'm curious if there's gonnabe like a rebellion of the humans
against the AI and how that's gonna go.
I, I.
I think it's gonna it's definitelygonna change our culture and
it's gonna change our politics.
It's gonna change everything that we do,and I'm really curious how humans are
(07:52):
going to react to it more than anything
else.
Reed (07:55):
As you gaze thoughtfully out the window.
Jerremy (07:59):
Yeah.
Dave (07:59):
For as long as I can.
Reed (08:01):
I was, to that
point I was looking earlier about whenyou were talking about high school
education and stuff, there was some.
I've read some studies or somesurveys about Gen Z and asking Gen Z,
polling Gen Z about different things.
And it seems like Gen Z has analarmingly level of lack of education
(08:21):
on a lot of things, like a highpercentage of Gen Z doubts that we
landed on the moon, for example.
And other things like that.
So I don't know what direction it'sgonna go, is people being too online just
exposes them to too many TikTok videos.
We didn't land on the moonbecause the camera angles and the,
(08:42):
there's no stars in the background
or, and they're not
presented with the refutationto those arguments.
That's really the
Jerremy (08:49):
Like you can take a telescope and just look at it
and
see.
you can get a really good telescopeand literally, visually look at
what
everyone's talking about.
That's on the moon right
now.
You can see the flags,
you can see them.
Reed (09:01):
we'll just wait till we go back to the moon and the rovers are there.
But of course then it'll bethey flew up there, there was
a secret mission back in 2023
and
they planted the rovers.
Jerremy (09:11):
That's right.
Reed (09:12):
Moon in 1969.
Jerremy (09:14):
Dave, That's it, man.
Solving America's Problems.
Conspiracy Theory edition.
Dave (09:18):
I in.
Jerremy (09:18):
be very fun.
Yeah, I'm in.
But yeah, to, to your point, Reid man,like that is, it's the, we're always
gonna go circle back on education.
That's kinda like my main number oneplatform focus in general is I really
do think and feel and know that thiscountry needs a huge shift in education.
What we're taught, how we'retaught, where we're taught, why we
(09:39):
are taught, because there's, Davementioned the population is increased,
so we need more representatives.
That's one of the most obvious changes,but obviously technology, like the
speed at which things have movedand shifted, and the way that most
teachers and most schools right noware handling the technology shift.
(10:00):
It's just giving a kid a, a Chromebookand saying, Hey, now do everything that
you're doing, but just on this computer.
And they're not, we're not teaching ourchildren how to interact with technology,
how to interact with other humans, how tointeract and really the internal shifts
and the biometric updates that needto happen in order for our species to
(10:23):
evolve adequately is just not occurringbecause the technology is just increasing
at such a rapid pace and rapid speed.
So we'd need big changes there.
And for you to ask that questionabout ai, man, there's gonna be so
many really fascinating, extremelyunique topics on it, because.
The one that I think we glossed over oryou glossed over, I glossed over is the
(10:47):
Cambridge Analytica aspect to all of it.
And when I say Cambridge Analytica,what I mean is the ability for
Facebook, apple, and Google, right?
The CEOs, the decision makers to go,I don't believe that people should
see the information about this.
I'm just gonna make sure they don't
Dave (11:06):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Jerremy (11:07):
it.
It really isn't that hard for them to pullthat off, and it's gonna be very difficult
for individuals to figure it out andto understand what it is and how it is.
Like it's pretty simple for them to flipa switch and just no one see that person
anymore.
That
is
Reed (11:22):
Okay.
Yeah.
Not all that hard is
actually an understatement.
I think
It's mindboggling, mindbogglingly easy,and I think there's an incentive for them.
Facebook actively censors political data.
Facebook does not.
If you post a political post, which I dooften less people will see that than if
(11:44):
you post a picture of your car and yousay, I got, I just went to the car wash.
More people will see that than theywill if you post something about
politics, because Facebook knowsthat politics is polarizing, and so
they make sure that less people seethose posts, which I actually do not
think is good because I think peopleshould be engaging in political.
(12:07):
Discussion and political arguments.
I think it's good for people.
I think it's good for society, andI happen to really enjoy political
arguments and discussions, butI know that most people don't,
most people see it as just people
see it as
advers adversarial,
And just intrinsically adversarial.
(12:28):
And so therefore
Jerremy (12:29):
it is one thing you're not supposed to talk about,
right?
Like societally, sex, religion,money, politics, don't have
conversations about those things.
And I'm over here what else
spins the world around?
Like
Reed (12:44):
I know.
Those are
the things I want to talk aboutlet's talk about religion.
Let's talk about politics.
Jerremy (12:51):
yep.
Agreed.
Agreed, because those are just funtopics and to your point, we can, and
have we can give visible audio audibleexamples of how individuals, and we're
doing it right now can just have an openconversation about something where three
people can either agree or disagree andthey can just have a conversation and
they can have discussions and they canlearn from each other as we have today.
(13:15):
One other thing I would like to learnfrom you, re before we start wrapping
up is earlier at the very beginningyou mentioned that you grew up with
a little bit more, I think you usedthe word electoral information.
Just give us a quick, liketwo minute background.
Why or what shaped you to havemore of an interest in politics.
Reed (13:38):
When I was eight years old, my dad ran for state senate in Georgia and so
we were, that summer when I was eightyears old, 1998, we were on the road
going to every state fair in our district.
And dad was campaigning.
So I had this idea thathe was campaigning.
I knew what was going on, but you didn'treally understand like at the granular
(13:58):
level, it's oh yeah, my dad's runningfor state senate and he's gonna win.
But so we were going to campaignevents and I got to meet, people
like I met Roy Barnes at this one.
Fair.
'cause I think he was campaigning, he wasthe governor of Georgia in the nineties.
He was campaigning as well eventhough he was on the other side.
(14:20):
So I just had this, like passionfor politics from an early age.
'cause I really, it was really fun,when I was eight years old and we were
going, and I was listening to my dadtalk to all these people and try to
convince them to vote for him instead ofthe other candidate who was a Democrat.
And he ran as a Republicanin a rural Georgia district.
And it's been really interestingto see that evolve over the years
(14:42):
because he lost that election andit was a really close election.
And it was, rural kind of Appalachianareas were historic Democrat strongholds
going back to, the Dixiecrats andStrom Thurmond and stuff like that.
They were, it was like that type of voter.
So even though, Nixon really changedthe map in the seventies, it didn't
(15:07):
really fully materialize until.
The two thousands, and now it's a lotdifferent than it was then because
those, that district would absolutelynever be won by a Democrat, even
though it was won by a democrat
25 years ago.
So that's been reallyinteresting to watch.
And,
I just have been passionateabout it basically ever
(15:29):
since I was eight years old.
Just the political process,
Jerremy (15:32):
yeah.
That's awesome, man.
That's really cool.
Yeah.
So it's, so what I heard you say then, isit just starts from as most good education
does, it's gonna start in the homes.
It's gonna start with parents caring,it's gonna start with individuals, just
our moms and dads pouring into us, right?
For every single person who'slistening, you might not think that
(15:53):
your 8-year-old cares about politics,and obviously they're not gonna
be denate voters at eight, but.
Our children will care about anythingthat we tell them they should care
about, and they will begin to understandthe importance and relevance of
anything that we as parents alsofeel is relevant and important.
(16:16):
To wrap up Reid.
If you had 60 seconds on a nationallyranked podcast and you wanted to
give your one line to fix voting inthis country, what would you say?
Reed (16:34):
I'm gonna go back to my hobby horse, which is gerrymandering.
I would tell people that if we electpeople who are strong partisans, they're
not gonna be able to work with people onthe other side because they're strong.
Partisan tilt prevents them from beingincentivized to work across the aisle.
If we like people who are problem solvers.
(16:56):
who are more moderate and can workacross the aisle, then we're gonna
have a functioning government.
And the only way to have a functioninggovernment is to have competitive
districts up and down the board.
And like you said, having morerepresentatives is potentially
one way to achieve that.
But having competitive districts isalso another way to achieve that.
(17:17):
These strong partisans thatjust contribute to more bipolar
polarization in the politicalprocess are not solving problems.
Look at how hard it is forCongress to do anything now.
They're not it's not the wayit was even 20 years ago.
Congress was much morefunctioning than it is now.
(17:38):
And I think that problemreally goes back to
the polarization A but the polarization,which is enabled by the gerrymandering.
Jerremy (17:48):
I love it.
Beautiful.
Take Reid.
Thank you for sharingyour time with us today.
Thanks for pouring into all of ourlisteners with your unique skill sets,
topics, questions, conversations.
Dave, thank you so much as wellfor being here and for all of
our
listeners.
Oh,
re do you have something else to say.
Reed (18:08):
Oh I got a question for you are, so you're planning
on running for president in 2032.
Jerremy (18:13):
Yes, sir.
Reed (18:15):
Are you how do you feel about a potentially another Newsome
being president right before you?
Jerremy (18:21):
I would give the chance of that happening to be very small
and I would love to run against
Governor
Newsom.
It'd be an honor
to
Reed (18:27):
you're right.
I think you're right.
I think his chances arevery small, but it's ironic
that
he
Jerremy (18:34):
It is ironic.
Yeah, it
is ironic.
he
doesn't have the
Reed (18:37):
and if he were to get elected in 2028.
that
could, that could present an issue.
'cause there'll be all these theoriesthat you're like his cousin or something,
Jerremy (18:47):
it's a very valid point.
Yeah.
And we have to be technicallyrelated somehow, although he doesn't
share the e on my last name, I'msure that's a quick little family
fix at some stage in the backlogs.
But yeah, man, ultimately it'dbe an honor for me to share the
stage with anyone that really caresabout creating a better America.
And I think having certain topics andsituations addressed for me is really
(19:10):
focusing primarily on education.
I think fixing that, Ibelieve, fixing that.
I know fixing that will give thiscountry actually what it needs.
versus always just creatingthis, you mentioned it a
million times, polarization.
This bifurcation, this diversificationthat's happening right now where
we're splitting sides versus sayingThe biggest problem is this country
is less smart than we used to be.
(19:33):
We are more unhealthy than everand the way to fix a lot of these
components almost every single timewhen we really drill down into a big
topic that is a thorn in the side ofAmerica, we are deciding and coming
up with more and more relevancy to.
We need to change education.
We need to educate the populace better andin almost every way imaginable, but for
(19:58):
sure, regarding what this country is, whatit stands for, and why it stands for it.
So to our listeners,thank you for tuning in.
Thank you for being here.
Thank you for sharing.
Thank you for tagging us on X andalso Instagram, and we look forward
to continually serving you in futureepisodes of solving America's problems.
Dave (20:22):
Okay, so what did you learn?
What did you learn on this one?
Jerremy (20:25):
What did I learn on this one?
A lot of fun topics, man.
Very circular in thisconversation, which was nice.
Dave (20:32):
Yeah.
Jerremy (20:33):
Discussing everything from ai.
To the degeneration of education againin this country showing up once more in
another topic, in another conversation.
I did learn and I think probablyrelearned my disdain for gerrymandering.
I think a few other peopleshare it which is fun.
(20:55):
That's the big one for me, man, toalso it's just so strange and odd that
eventually and ultimately someone withenough power and insight and wisdom
and also a motive can just go, Yeah.
I want my election to be this way.
And they just boop, take a sharpieout and make sure that happens is
(21:16):
pretty bonkers to me to use your word.
I think that one is,again, it's not illegal.
It's not really a topic.
It's not really something that people arediscussing or having conversations about.
Really.
Ultimately, I think you even said itthere's not tons of people talking
about gerrymandering needs to go away.
We are now, we are discussingthat presently in this podcast,
not only in this episode, butfuture episodes about voting.
(21:38):
I did love hearing and learningthat Reed, a, a gentleman like
myself let's label us a millennial.
Cares, has cared for awhile has enjoyed it.
And I did also hear certain, conversationtopics about his background in school and
how, and the higher education, gettinghis minor in history and things of
(22:01):
that nature is really where he startedsprouting the wings of the additional and
continued education that he currently hasand feels that other people need to have
especially as it relates to this topic.
What about you big man?
What you got for me?
What'd you walk away with?
Dave (22:21):
I gerrymandering is so funny, right?
Because it's totally obviousthat I am gonna dig deep.
I'm gonna see if I can find anybodywho's yeah, I'm pro gerrymandering.
Jerremy (22:31):
Other than a politician.
Dave (22:32):
yeah.
Somebody besides yeah,more gerrymandering.
Jerremy (22:36):
Bring it on.
It's the best.
Dave (22:38):
here's the thing, I, it's not a part of the conversation because
I think everybody looks at it andbe like, okay, that's not fair.
And that, that totally goes against thegrain of everyone, and we're not talking
about it because we are pretty simplewhen it comes to what is important to us.
It's it is the kitchen tableissues, it's safety, it's wealth,
(23:00):
it's education, it's health.
It's not international trade,it's not foreign policy.
It's the what's in it for me at leastwhat is going to help me provide for
my family, have a family, or at leastleave the world a slightly better place.
And gerrymandering's not on that list,but it affects every single one of those.
(23:24):
So I think if we can tie, if we can tiegerrymandering to, hey, this is what's
affecting you, underneath it, right?
This is the meta issue.
The reason we're not talking about yoursafety, your wealth, your education,
the health of you and your family,or leaving the world slightly better
(23:46):
is because you're not represented.
It's,
It is like your representation won'tlisten to you because they don't have to.
That's.
Besides that, AI and that social media,how AI is trained and search engines
are bias, will affect probably theelection of your local dog catcher.
(24:07):
That's terrifying.
So I think that's what I learned.
Jerremy (24:10):
A little spooky, right?
Dave (24:12):
Crazy.
Jerremy (24:13):
Yeah.
definitely Crazy.
Love it.
Awesome.
Dave.
Man, we're gonna continueto dive into the topic.
It's gonna be so much fun For allof our listeners, make sure you
throw us that five star review.
We are the best of the best, whatwe're doing and how we're doing it.
We are unique, we are different,and we really are diving down
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We are collecting so much greatdata and we over time are gonna
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continue to solve America's problems.
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