July 30, 2025 • 29 mins
Tensions explode as David Williams and Steven Orr clash over California's immigration crisis. With the state running massive deficits while providing extensive services, David argues we've "acted irresponsibly" bringing in workers as agricultural production declines. Steven counters that America has "unlimited resources" and survived worse. The heated exchange reveals deep divides: David's construction crews hiding from ICE, Steven's defense of diplomacy, and both men's shared concern for trafficking victims. Raw, unfiltered, and deeply personal.
Timestamps:
- (00:00) Opening Tensions: "We Don't Have Five Years"
- (00:35) California's Burden: Deficits and Social Services
- (01:26) Tariffs and Jobs: Economic Ripple Effects
- (02:17) Technology Replacing Workers: The Future Problem
- (03:40) Pacific Palisades Burns: Water vs. Immigration
- (04:23) "America Can Handle Anything" - The Debate Heats Up
- (06:10) Personal Attacks: When Policy Gets Heated
- (08:22) Finding Middle Ground Through Technology
- (21:13) Private Sector: The Real Solution?
Connect:
- Steven E. Orr: X - https://x.com/qmbigbeat
- LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/qmbigbeat/
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Alex (00:00):
"From solutions to heated reality check.
Statistics turn personal, resourcesget questioned, and California
versus national perspectives collide.
When shared goals meet differentlimits, necessary sparks fly."
David Williams (00:13):
I went through that process.
You know what?
Screw these guys that didn'tgo through the process.
Screw them for coming overhere and doing it illegally.
And when the Hispanics are saying itabout their own people and Israelis are
saying it about Europeans, why is weAmericans just saying, eh, let it go.
Let it go.
We'll figure it out.
Give him a chance.
Give him a chance.
Jerremy Newsome (00:33):
So Dave, this will be, so this will be an interesting.
David Williams (00:35):
it's socially irresponsible to those that are taxpayers,
to those that are here, who, thosethat have paid the price over years.
And to see our school systemsand our hospital systems and our
medical system all be overrun.
Court systems all be overrunbecause we were so irresponsible.
And just say, you knowwhat, we'll absorb it.
We'll assimilate this throughtechnology over the next five years.
(00:56):
I'm sorry, we don't have five years.
We can destroy this country in five years.
We have to take immediateaction and the immediate action.
I'm with you, Steven.
Let's kick it, AI in and startseparating the good from the bad
or at least the good from the gray.
Say, okay, let's focus on the great part.
But we have to take immediate actionand we can't just throw our hands up
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in the air and say, you know what?
Agricultural rebound, or we'll move'em into another sector of the economy.
Or, and I'm on the,I'm on the tariff side.
I'm having to pay the 30%tariffs on products coming
into the US that I paid 4.4%
before.
But I can also tell you that myfriends over in China applauding it
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because you know what, it happenedthe first time with Trump, they were
now able to afford American products.
My quality control manager overin China me up in a Ford festiva
that he was so excited and proud.
Look, Dave, I got a new car.
Check this out.
Isn't this brilliant?
This is beautiful.
I said, what'd you pay for that 40,000 us?
I'm like, it's an 18,000 car in the USwas at the time, this is a few years back.
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He had to pay a hundredpercent tariff on that vehicle.
So yes, I understand it maynot be the top priority when we
have this, but you know what?
Slap it in place and let it, whichis what he did, slapped it in place.
Let it work itself out.
But we're gonna createmore jobs in America.
And I can tell you what happenedimmediately was everybody I know in my
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industry shifted and said, how else?
How else can we do this?
Can we, how much ofthis can we do at home?
How much of it can we do in Mexico?
How much of it can we do in Vietnam?
Can we do it in, they made animmediate shift based on that.
And I'm hoping that more ofit will come back to the us.
But to your point, Steven, if we'rehaving declining agriculture and
we have better technology and it'seliminating those jobs, don't we
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have to create more jobs in order to.
Find a place for thesepeople to assimilate to.
We have to do it's a simultaneous,it's a parallel path.
You've gotta create more jobs becausewe're losing jobs to technology.
And you can't just keep bringing ina floodgate of immigration and say,
eh, we'll assimilate them over time.
It's too difficult on the GDP.
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It's too difficult.
Our GGDP is down.
I agree.
And it's ground probablybecause of tariffs.
It's not because of lack of workforce,it's because of tariffs and people are
laying people off 'cause they can't affordit when they don't have product to sell.
So it is, it's caused a temporary problem.
I understand that.
But the temporary problem is alsothat we have a way too large of a
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immigration bubble, if you will,that is now taxing every aspect
of our life, every aspect of it.
And I see it more in Californiathan probably anywhere.
Because we've got a governor that's justout of control with what he's doing.
And they had no King's Day here andthey should have been up in Sacramento.
'cause if there's a king anywherein the world it's in Sacramento.
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This guy is destroying this stateand it's just it's horrible.
And the fact that they even keephim in office after burning,
whatever it was, 4,000 homes thatwere well over $3 million each.
You just say, eh, I saved the salamander.
It's just unconscionable what's going on.
And you can't just sit thereand say, we'll, assimilate it.
Over time it, we don'thave that kind of time.
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We haven't got those kind of resources.
Steven Orr (04:17):
When I hear people say the country can't handle another five more
years, they can't handle the countrywill fall apart in five more years.
I almost discre that.
Almost immediately, this countryhas gone through a whole lot worse
problems than this throughout time.
And while immigration is a hugeproblem, this country has gone through
a lot that, you could talk aboutthe civil rights time, you can talk
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about wars that we've gone through.
We, we are a very resilient country.
We are very strong in who weare and when other, and I'm
outta the country all the time.
My passport has is covered in blue andpurple in all when I'm over there in
the past, oh, you're an American today.
It's, oh, you're an American.
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We do no longer lead inhow people look at us.
We need to lead in allof these things, right?
Whether it's Governor Newsom orGovernor Mundi, who's gonna be
the next mayor of New York City?
It doesn't matter, right?
Because we will get through it.
'cause we are the UnitedStates of America, period.
We will get through it and we willbe better and we'll be stronger.
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Warren Buffett said it very clearly.
He said if you were born inthe United States of America,
you already won the lottery.
He told you that.
He said, look, it's true, and that'swhy we have an immigration problem
because we are the greatest country.
If we weren't the greatestcountry, they wouldn't come here.
Or that we wouldn't have a problemif we weren't the greatest country.
Look, we are called the UnitedStates of America for a reason
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because every state is different.
California does not have the sameproblems that Florida has or that
Illinois has, or Michigan has.
We each have our own separate,because we're such a big country
and we have different areas.
So when I look at immigration issues inEurope are a little different because
they are separated by nationality and whatthey consider themselves to be French or
German but if you go to countries likeSwitzerland and I, they're, every year
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I can tell you it's French, it's German,Italian, and they all get along and they
do have an immigration issue 'cause he
David Williams (06:10):
So Steven, now that you've discredited me, what's your point?
What's your point?
You're spinning a bunch of,spinning a little bit of this
and a little bit of that.
You're not addressing the point.
The point is that I was trying to make toyou is that in California, we're overrun.
We're overrun in California.
You wanna talk about Illinoisand corn there, and you wanna
talk about Switzerland thereand discredit me in the process.
(06:31):
Quit spinning the roomand address the points.
This is the problem I have with mostDemocrats is that they are hypocrite
in their responses because Yeah.
Oh, let's talk about this over here.
'cause we're not gonna address thishere address the issues one by one.
Steven Orr (06:46):
this is not a political discussion.
This is a BA based on verysimple of an issue of,
David Williams (06:50):
You made it one by discrediting me and that's not gonna fly.
I'm sorry.
Steven Orr (06:55):
I'm sorry.
I don't care about your politics.
I care about the issue and.
David Williams (06:59):
You No, you said you discredit me because I said the country
couldn't handle another five years.
I immediately discreditsomebody who says that.
Steven Orr (07:05):
can't, can handle whatever we throw at it because we
are the United States of America.
It's not a political issue.
David Williams (07:10):
No.
No, it's not.
We can't handle, you can't saywe have unlimited resources.
You can't say that we cantake on anything in the world.
Steven Orr (07:18):
unlimited
David Williams (07:19):
we can.
No.
It's not true.
We're not able to, no.
What you've got to say is wedo have limited resources and
we have to act responsibly.
That I agree with you.
Steven Orr (07:30):
Lemme tell you something.
I know how it works in the oil business.
I'm in there too all the time.
We have so much oil in this country.
We put a nice big bowon and a number on it.
So that commodity, we'vegot plenty of food.
We are the literallybread basket of the world.
You wanna talk about rareearth outside of China.
We are the second largest and rare earth.
Is there a commodity thatyou're interested in?
I'm happy to tell you thenumbers if you'd like to know.
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That's what I do for aliving every single day.
And I can tell you right now,this isn't a political issue.
Immigration is a very seriousissue that we need to tackle, and
it's not based on what Newsom isdoing or what DeSantis is doing.
It's based on how we come togetheras a country to make immigration.
Most immigration right now,problems isn't even in California.
It's in Texas, right?
They're coming across the border in Texas.
Why?
Because they need leatherneckin work in the oil fields.
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They need people in theagriculture that aren't even there.
And there's a problem in Nevada,and there's a problem in Utah.
It's not a California issue alone.
This is a United States of America issue
David Williams (08:22):
No, it's a California issue right now because they're you're, no
Steven Orr (08:25):
care about
David Williams (08:26):
but the point is because we're so irresponsible
in bringing them in, we did notdirect them to the right places.
We said, come on in, tax our resources.
Go ahead.
We're fine with it.
We'll figure you out later.
That's the problem that we have, isthat we've been irresponsible with
immigration and we cannot continue tobe, we're not carte blanche to the world.
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Yes, we have a great,vast amount of resources.
Every resource can run drylike it has in California.
And we're not gonna just, got peoplein California that are picking
up and shifting to other statesbecause they can't take it anymore.
They're tired of it.
We're paying six and $7 gas and youtell me we got unlimited fuel supply.
(09:09):
Yeah.
But we've got a state that'sgonna tax the hell out of us.
'cause now we gotta makeup for all the immigration.
Steven Orr (09:13):
I tell everybody that lives in California that hates California.
Why the hell are you there?
David Williams (09:17):
live here because of my family.
Steven Orr (09:20):
You should say, you know what, if you're defending
the state of California and what'sgoing on you can pick up and leave.
That's what the United States ofAmerica says, Hey, you know what,
there's other states to go to.
So if you really
David Williams (09:29):
There's other countries to go to pick up and leave.
You don't like what's happeningwith you as an immigrant?
Pick up and leave, goback to your own country.
I'm in California because mykids happen to be here and I have
some family that I need to spendsome time with my actual home.
Legal
Steven Orr (09:42):
those
David Williams (09:43):
My li my legal residence.
My legal residence is Colorado.
company is based in Nevada.
So the fact that I happen to bein California right now is because
of some family obligations,but it's not 'cause I love it.
Steven Orr (09:58):
are in the United States is because they have work here and
they have family here that you justtold me your only answer, right?
They can go where they need togo to, but it may make a better
life for their own families.
David Williams (10:08):
Huh?
At the cost of the taxpayers until wecan figure out how to assimilate 'em.
Steven Orr (10:12):
are you
David Williams (10:12):
I'm sorry.
Steven Orr (10:13):
to?
David Williams (10:13):
I'm sorry.
Steven Orr (10:14):
Are you paying to California?
Are you paying Nevada
To Colorado?
David Williams (10:18):
I pay California taxes every time I go fill up my gas tank.
I took Sarah out to dinner last night.
I paid 10 and a half percent tax on food.
So yes, I'm paying taxes all daylong that are helping to support
the broken system in California.
Anytime I do business in California,yes, I pay California taxes on the
business I do in California as well.
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So yeah, I pay California taxes.
I also pay Colorado taxes, andI also pay taxes in Nevada.
They're just in various different forms.
So no, it's
In every situ, every place that I'm at.
But I take real offense to somebody,telling me we can just bring on
the entire world and bring 'em intothe United States because we're
the greatest country in the world.
We have unlimited resources.
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And if you say otherwise,you're discredited.
Dave Conley (11:02):
No I think it's
David Williams (11:03):
You're
Dave Conley (11:04):
I think it's super fair as somebody who moved from California
to Florida, I think it's super fairthat the ninth largest economy on the
planet like that's California is alsorunning the worst deficits this year.
And they're trying to figureout how to balance their budget.
(11:24):
Some of that is definitely tied to all ofthe different programs that are going on.
They are not hiding the factthat they do pay a lot of money.
A lot of money goes out fora lot of social services.
So I think it's fair to say thatdepending on the state, there is
an unequal burden across states.
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And like I live in Florida now, andfrankly they just don't pay like the
state of the school system in thecounty that I live in is abysmal.
So it depends on the state.
So I think it is fair to say that toboth of your points, we do have unlimited
resources in the sense that we have moreoil than any other planet on Earth, right?
That is a shocking thing for most peopleto hear, we have so much oil, that's
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one of our biggest exports, and thatsome states are cratering because of
the burdens on them and some aren't.
So I think that there's a certain amountof aspect to this that is also true.
What you said David, was that.
The foreign policy for the UnitedStates for the last hundred plus years
has been to put our nose in everycountry's business, our foot on most
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of their necks, all through Centraland South America and the Caribbean.
Like we've overturned more governmentsand we've made, any number of
countries absolutely miserable.
And I don't know about you,but yes, America is like the
greatest place on the planet.
I can't imagine living someplace else.
And I'm sure for tens of millionsof people, they didn't wanna
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leave their country either.
so is there something to be saidabout US foreign policy, and if we're
making America great again, makingVenezuela great again, making Haiti
great again, making Cuba great again.
What do you think our role is?
Not only in creating thisproblem, but also fixing it and
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starting with foreign policy.
David Williams (13:21):
Yeah I agree.
I agree that we havehistory of overstepping in
countries we didn't belong.
And some of it to the benefit of thosecountries and some of it to the detriment.
I'm not dodging your question tosay that, is from Seoul, Korea.
Her family migrated herewhen she was eight years old.
She didn't speak lick of English.
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Her parents were, her father wasa pharmacist, her mom was a school
teacher, and they got over here.
And those certifications thoseskill sets couldn't apply.
So they ended up doing differentjobs and she lived a very life
for her first five or six years.
And her brother's now a Los AngelesCounty prosecutor, and she's a
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optometrist and has been one for20 plus years, 30 years very very
productive and contributor to society.
But we stuck our nose inSouth Korea in a good way.
We could, my father fought in South Korea.
I think in other places we've stuck ourfoot in, especially in the Middle East,
and we did like you said, stepping onthe neck of some people and doing it in a
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backhanded way that, should be ashamed of.
I agree.
If we put more resources into makingsome other countries better so
they didn't have to migrate here,maybe that's a good thing too.
I'm talking about.
Where we are immediately, the immediateproblem, I'm not talking about five years,
six years, eight years down the road.
I'm talking about how do we fix it today.
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And the best thing that I can agreewith Steven on is let's put ai, let's
get fricking technology cranked up and
Jerremy Newsome (14:58):
So rather than so David, you're saying rather than a
mass deportation, so let's say Hey,if you're here by, go through some
channel of using technology just tospeed up the entire process that you
could do a week from now to say, whoshould stay here and who should not?
David Williams (15:13):
We're out there trying to use a guppy net to pick up, what
we should be casting a huge net for.
And the only way you can, wecan't afford to cast the huge
net, so let's put E-Verify in,let's put AI in and let's separate
Jerremy Newsome (15:27):
What are we E-Verify?
If they're illegal, whatare wever verifying?
David Williams (15:31):
I'd make 'em well.
To Steven's Point that, we should beable to do a scan, but biometrics, but
the, now your question, does Mexicohave a database the biometrics of these
people that we can cross reference?
That's, that would be my biggest concern,is how many of these people aren't
registered in their own country froma biometric standpoint, but I think
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you have to it it's the only way we'regonna be able to solve it fast, quickly
is I think all the resources at ice.
Is trying to scoop up theocean with a guppy net.
I think if you use at leastE-Verify to identify the good ones,
The bad ones won't bestanding in line to E-Verify,
Jerremy Newsome (16:16):
interesting.
Yeah.
David Williams (16:17):
days, give 'em six months to E-Verify.
Jerremy Newsome (16:20):
So Steven what do you think wastes more taxpayers money?
Would it be like milesof unused border walls?
The 70 billion for the CBP?
Our boy David just mentionedice, that's 70 billion
Steven Orr (16:32):
let's break that down.
That's a lot to unpack andI think it's a great point.
There's been some good points there.
The first, I think I would say is whenyou look at the border wall, that was
the biggest waste of money period.
Because guys were climbing over thefences, or they're crawling under
or whatever they can get around it.
I, border wall was just nonsense.
(16:52):
Now speaking from a former Department ofState employee and someone who believes
in diplomacy and sticking our nose inother places, absolutely we should.
We've stuck our nose in places thatprobably shouldn't have been, but as
my former employees would say, I wouldrather be over there making peace than
having them come over here and making war.
So in a lot of ways, there's a reasonwhy we're over there is to make sure
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that they have a much better life.
So China did the very smart thing.
What did they do?
They stuck their nose into all of Africa.
now control most of the continentof Africa through finance.
Ask, of the water now isrun through African money or
through a Chinese war money.
That, that we started thatprocess but did not finish it.
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The second thing I'd say here now isthat we also need to fund better the
State Department itself, diplomacy.
And we just laid off how manyemployees there again I believe
in, in, in peace more than war.
Nobody wins in war.
And when you have people intheir own country that are not
happy, that's when war happens.
Just ask Somalians.
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Just ask the Haitians.
Just ask the Iranians right now that inthat border and gaza's a problem, right?
Because they hate eachother's lives, right?
So when I look at the United Statesand how do we fix this problem,
fix it over there first, andnot have them come here, Right?
If we help them have a betterlife in their own country, we
won't have an immigration issue.
They'll be like, why don't wantto go to the United States?
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I have a better life in Mexico.
I have a better life in Canadathan I did in the United States.
Why do I want live in France, soI don't wanna go to the United
States and immigrate there'cause I have a better life here.
That's what they want.
And they wanna live with their familiesand they love the way that they lived or
they wouldn't live in those areas, right?
Or that's where their business is.
That's where their families are.
They won't wanna move if theylive in a much better situation.
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So when those look, living in SouthFlorida, in Key West, at some point we
had a wet foot dry foot policy, Which
Jerremy Newsome (18:44):
Yeah.
Steven Orr (18:45):
you made it over in a boat, whatever that submarine or that 30
stroke engine, whatever that thing was,aluminum foil put together from Cuba.
If they could make it here, hell yeah.
Let 'em be here because they've justbraved sharks and everything else in
bad water and weather to a better life.
And majority of them didn't make it.
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A lot of them didn't make it over here.
They, a lot of themdied on the way over it.
Or they got stopped by a US CoastGuard and they didn't make it that
with foot drive po foot policy.
But if they're willing to gethere, there's wrong with that.
I think that's exactly the weatherwe should be, if you look at.
Little Haiti now, andlittle Cuba and Miami.
They'll say the same thing.
You know what?
They left Cuba because of Castro.
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It was a worst economyand a worse dictatorship.
So they came here.
If we make their lives betterin those countries, they
will not want to come here.
So I'm okay with that.
You wanna say, what?
Where should we spend our moneyand where should we spend in the
State Department spend it in?
In U-S-A-I-D, which was what?
We're cutting.
It's the biggest cut right now.
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The state department's budget to,according to the federal government,
the all of it is less than 1%.
Now, 1%.
If we really wanted to solve theproblems, spend money in places that
makes diplomacy and makes their livesbetter, United Nations should have more
money than they have right now in orderto make, and that won't be a US problem.
It'll be a world problem tohelping solve those problems.
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Then we don't have to worryabout immigration issues.
Then we don't have to worry aboutbiometrics and all that other stuff.
Make their lives better over there.
They won't wanna come here.
Jerremy Newsome (20:17):
It's fascinating.
Love that take.
Let's do one last question.
And again, I will say I loveboth of your hearts for the
individuals and for the people too.
I mean, like, it, it just really shinesthrough the discussion because ultimately
that's what we're talking about.
And we do realize that it's all complex.
Every single person, everylife, they all have a story.
They all have families, they all havetheir trials, their tribulations,
what they're trying to do, thedreams, the achievements, the jobs,
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the careers, their home, their kids.
I mean, that's reallywhat, it's the discussion.
It's extremely complex.
And we realize that we're notgonna solve the problem in a phone
call and a webinar and a podcast.
Dave and I also, we've had afew discussions where we go,
wow, that's actually probablya solution for this problem.
Or there's a realsolution for this problem.
There's a real solution.
We came into immigration realizingthere's probably not gonna
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be like a oh that's solved.
But
I would like to pose this question becauseI think it'd be interesting 'cause both
of you're extremely great business owners.
You're great entrepreneurs, very powerfulmen, very thought through gentlemen.
Where do you both see privatesector innovation, potentially
solving what government couldnot in this specific situation?
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Let's go with Steven first.
Steven Orr (21:26):
Yeah, I think it starts with the private sector and not
in the government sector, becausewhy and Dave have both said it,
nothing's changed since the nineties.
That's the first time thebills have, so this is not
gonna happen to the government.
We need to understand that even if wewant laws change and we want the judicial
system to actually, it's gonna startwith the US as business owners to set the
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policy right, to be able to say, look.
We know that there's animmigration policy problem.
We know that there arepeople, there are bad hombres.
I'll say There are badhombres here, right?
But.
If we take the general idea that everybodyis just bad coming in this country that,
okay, throw the baby out with the bathwater, then that's not gonna solve the
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problem for those owners in the farms.
It's not gonna solvethe problem for the Dr.
Hortons of the world who needpeople to build those homes.
It's not gonna solve the problem.
So I think it does start with uspressuring our member of Congress.
I think it does start with us saying,look, let's spend more money in diplomacy.
Let's spend more money of my hard earnedmoney that I spend taxes on the day,
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spend taxes on California and not wasteit on fixing the salamanders problem.
But actually gettingthe deep heart problem.
All right.
If you're saying that the biggestproblem is human trafficking, let's
put those guys to the test and sendthem out and put 'em the chopping block
as I've been saying, that needs tobe pressure from the business owners.
That needs to come frompressure financially, right?
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If that member of Congress isn'tdoing it as business owners, then
maybe we should start puttingmoney to people that will do that.
Maybe we should start putting P packmoney together that says, okay, this
organization is supporting my ideasabout getting rid of the bad ombres.
This is the place I wanna spend moneyin order to make diplomacy better.
Because right now, all we care about,and this is I think why a lot of
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people were attracted to MAGA in thefirst place, is they felt that the,
people ask me all the time aboutpolitics and why is it so divided?
And I said, look, lemmetell you something.
Donald Trump and Bernie Sanderswere talking to the same people.
What?
Bernie Sanders on the far left, andDonald Trump's in the far right.
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That's right, but he is talkingto the same people because what
they're saying is you didn't geta fair shake in the United States.
You didn't get to live the American dream.
Okay?
So my path is this way, and my path isthis way, but we're both down charting.
We're not the ones that arehappy, so we want to change it.
That's why politics is so separated.
there are people don't really, thatwant to solve the problem, and the
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business owners don't want problemsbecause the more problems that are
solved and the less problems wehave, those people spend more money.
And businesses grow andimmigration comes in the right way.
So I think as business owners, wehave an, obligation to set some of
those policy ideas to those people.
And I think Jerremy thanks.
And Dave, thanks for having me onthe show because, this is really,
a lot of ways members of Congressactually will be seeing this.
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People that actually do makedecisions will be listening to us
at, on Dave's side, Dave's point andmy points and our points together
that maybe we could come together.
If Dave and I can come together on thisshow here and talk about how to get the
things done, maybe they can do it too.
Jerremy Newsome (24:36):
Yeah.
Fascinating.
Love that.
David Williams, what's your thoughts?
Private sector?
What should we be doing?
David Williams (24:42):
I think that, i've been consistent.
I think Steven's consistent in thisthought too, we can use technology
to separate to refine that process.
I think we use privatesector to refine it as well.
If you're a gainfully employed person,you've been employed with me for the
past, four or five years we shouldbe able to vouch for these people to
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say, Hey, look, here's an exception.
This is not somebody you wanna round up.
So I think that we can vouch for people,we can accredit people that are here.
But I do disagree that we're just roundingeverybody up and throwing 'em out.
I've not seen that.
I've seen most of 'em are goingthrough criminal background checks.
Most of 'em are being roundedup because they are criminals.
I think the focus on the securityof the country has been on,
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let's get the bad ones first.
Let's get the bad ones first.
But I think that we can use technologyand I do think that we can use
the private sector to identifywho that is at one point in time.
And I, forgive me guys, I'm somewhatblindsided by the topic when I
got the thing a couple hours ago.
But at one point in time, orange Countywas the 34th richest economy in the world.
Orange County alone, 90% of which was runby companies with less than 50 employees.
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So we are the private sector.
Orange County is the 34.
Again, these statistics go back away.
They may have changed, but if you'rethe 34th richest economy and you're
employing less than 50 people itshould be real quick and easy to be
able to say, Hey, look, I can verify,25, 40%, 50%, 75% of my workforce to
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say, look, they've been here, they'vebeen here for x amount of time.
I can verify them.
Let's give them a pass.
Let's focus on the bad.
Jerremy Newsome (26:22):
Got it.
David Williams (26:23):
because we don't have the resources, we don't have the
Jerremy Newsome (26:25):
Yeah.
David Williams (26:26):
to address all 13, 14 million people that came across
in that short period of time.
So how do we use the resources we have?
I think AI is one of 'em.
I think the private sector to vouchfor others is another way to do it.
But we have to separate, we haveto separate divide and conquer.
Because I agree, you can't throwthe baby out with the bath water.
We don't have the resources for it.
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We don't have unlimited resources.
Steven, I'm sorry I'll argue thatpoint till the cows come home.
But we do have, we have to use thebest of the resources that we have.
And I think the private sectorand AI would be the best.
Two things we could implement immediately.
And I think you're right.
Congress.
make Congress get involved.
Make them stand up and do
Jerremy Newsome (27:07):
Hold 'em accountable.
David Williams (27:07):
And,
Jerremy Newsome (27:09):
I'll say this.
David Williams (27:10):
get started on term limits because I guarantee
around doing absolutely nothingand have been for 20 plus years
Jerremy Newsome (27:16):
Whole different conversation.
Yes.
And, but I'm a big proponent ofterm limits because you have it in
literally everything else imaginable.
So like every other field of all,even in military, they kick you
out at a certain point, right?
If you've been servingfor they're like, bye.
So yes, a hundred percent.
Like we should have somelevel of adequacy there.
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But I will blend both of your statements.
From my perspective, from mypoint of view, we have unlimited
nothing, but we have a, we have aninfinite amount of finite resources.
So David what that would mean fromthe abundance standpoint, like the
amount of oil that's on earth islike the grains of sand on a beach.
Like it's so innumerable though.
It is finite.
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'cause it's contained,it's extremely large.
Just like money.
Steven Orr (28:02):
Yep.
Jerremy Newsome (28:02):
can say that money is also finite, but there is much of it
that it feels and can act very infinite.
So ultimately that is a blendof an abundance mindset.
At the same time, a realizationof, yeah, there's not an unlimited
amount of anything on earth.
'cause earth is a containedspherical, it's contained.
So there's an infiniteamount of finite resources.
But to that statement and to thatwrap up, here's, I would love to ask
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both of you, and again, thank you forbringing us both energy excitement, two
counterintuitive points that have reallyallowed both myself and Dave to take
extremely adequate notes about what wecan and could do relatively quickly.
Because again, to the point of.
The innovation sectorfor the private sector.
We have thousands and thousands ofpeople listening to this podcast.
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That's a humongous businessopportunity, right?
Being able to create the biometrics,being able to create the ai, being able
to create the legal aspect that canmove things along a lot faster and can
read through the complexities, it canstart solving some of those problems.
That's a huge opportunity.
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David Williams (00:13):
I went through that process.
You know what?
Screw these guys that didn'tgo through the process.
Screw them for coming overhere and doing it illegally.
And when the Hispanics are saying itabout their own people and Israelis are
saying it about Europeans, why is weAmericans just saying, eh, let it go.
Let it go.
We'll figure it out.
Give him a chance.
Give him a chance.
Jerremy Newsome (00:33):
So Dave, this will be, so this will be an interesting.
David Williams (00:35):
it's socially irresponsible to those that are taxpayers,
to those that are here, who, thosethat have paid the price over years.
And to see our school systemsand our hospital systems and our
medical system all be overrun.
Court systems all be overrunbecause we were so irresponsible.
And just say, you knowwhat, we'll absorb it.
We'll assimilate this throughtechnology over the next five years.
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I'm sorry, we don't have five years.
We can destroy this country in five years.
We have to take immediateaction and the immediate action.
I'm with you, Steven.
Let's kick it, AI in and startseparating the good from the bad
or at least the good from the gray.
Say, okay, let's focus on the great part.
But we have to take immediate actionand we can't just throw our hands up
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in the air and say, you know what?
Agricultural rebound, or we'll move'em into another sector of the economy.
Or, and I'm on the,I'm on the tariff side.
I'm having to pay the 30%tariffs on products coming
into the US that I paid 4.4%
before.
But I can also tell you that myfriends over in China applauding it
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because you know what, it happenedthe first time with Trump, they were
now able to afford American products.
My quality control manager overin China me up in a Ford festiva
that he was so excited and proud.
Look, Dave, I got a new car.
Check this out.
Isn't this brilliant?
This is beautiful.
I said, what'd you pay for that 40,000 us?
I'm like, it's an 18,000 car in the USwas at the time, this is a few years back.
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He had to pay a hundredpercent tariff on that vehicle.
So yes, I understand it maynot be the top priority when we
have this, but you know what?
Slap it in place and let it, whichis what he did, slapped it in place.
Let it work itself out.
But we're gonna createmore jobs in America.
And I can tell you what happenedimmediately was everybody I know in my
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industry shifted and said, how else?
How else can we do this?
Can we, how much ofthis can we do at home?
How much of it can we do in Mexico?
How much of it can we do in Vietnam?
Can we do it in, they made animmediate shift based on that.
And I'm hoping that more ofit will come back to the us.
But to your point, Steven, if we'rehaving declining agriculture and
we have better technology and it'seliminating those jobs, don't we
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have to create more jobs in order to.
Find a place for thesepeople to assimilate to.
We have to do it's a simultaneous,it's a parallel path.
You've gotta create more jobs becausewe're losing jobs to technology.
And you can't just keep bringing ina floodgate of immigration and say,
eh, we'll assimilate them over time.
It's too difficult on the GDP.
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It's too difficult.
Our GGDP is down.
I agree.
And it's ground probablybecause of tariffs.
It's not because of lack of workforce,it's because of tariffs and people are
laying people off 'cause they can't affordit when they don't have product to sell.
So it is, it's caused a temporary problem.
I understand that.
But the temporary problem is alsothat we have a way too large of a
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immigration bubble, if you will,that is now taxing every aspect
of our life, every aspect of it.
And I see it more in Californiathan probably anywhere.
Because we've got a governor that's justout of control with what he's doing.
And they had no King's Day here andthey should have been up in Sacramento.
'cause if there's a king anywherein the world it's in Sacramento.
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This guy is destroying this stateand it's just it's horrible.
And the fact that they even keephim in office after burning,
whatever it was, 4,000 homes thatwere well over $3 million each.
You just say, eh, I saved the salamander.
It's just unconscionable what's going on.
And you can't just sit thereand say, we'll, assimilate it.
Over time it, we don'thave that kind of time.
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We haven't got those kind of resources.
Steven Orr (04:17):
When I hear people say the country can't handle another five more
years, they can't handle the countrywill fall apart in five more years.
I almost discre that.
Almost immediately, this countryhas gone through a whole lot worse
problems than this throughout time.
And while immigration is a hugeproblem, this country has gone through
a lot that, you could talk aboutthe civil rights time, you can talk
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about wars that we've gone through.
We, we are a very resilient country.
We are very strong in who weare and when other, and I'm
outta the country all the time.
My passport has is covered in blue andpurple in all when I'm over there in
the past, oh, you're an American today.
It's, oh, you're an American.
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We do no longer lead inhow people look at us.
We need to lead in allof these things, right?
Whether it's Governor Newsom orGovernor Mundi, who's gonna be
the next mayor of New York City?
It doesn't matter, right?
Because we will get through it.
'cause we are the UnitedStates of America, period.
We will get through it and we willbe better and we'll be stronger.
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Warren Buffett said it very clearly.
He said if you were born inthe United States of America,
you already won the lottery.
He told you that.
He said, look, it's true, and that'swhy we have an immigration problem
because we are the greatest country.
If we weren't the greatestcountry, they wouldn't come here.
Or that we wouldn't have a problemif we weren't the greatest country.
Look, we are called the UnitedStates of America for a reason
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because every state is different.
California does not have the sameproblems that Florida has or that
Illinois has, or Michigan has.
We each have our own separate,because we're such a big country
and we have different areas.
So when I look at immigration issues inEurope are a little different because
they are separated by nationality and whatthey consider themselves to be French or
German but if you go to countries likeSwitzerland and I, they're, every year
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I can tell you it's French, it's German,Italian, and they all get along and they
do have an immigration issue 'cause he
David Williams (06:10):
So Steven, now that you've discredited me, what's your point?
What's your point?
You're spinning a bunch of,spinning a little bit of this
and a little bit of that.
You're not addressing the point.
The point is that I was trying to make toyou is that in California, we're overrun.
We're overrun in California.
You wanna talk about Illinoisand corn there, and you wanna
talk about Switzerland thereand discredit me in the process.
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Quit spinning the roomand address the points.
This is the problem I have with mostDemocrats is that they are hypocrite
in their responses because Yeah.
Oh, let's talk about this over here.
'cause we're not gonna address thishere address the issues one by one.
Steven Orr (06:46):
this is not a political discussion.
This is a BA based on verysimple of an issue of,
David Williams (06:50):
You made it one by discrediting me and that's not gonna fly.
I'm sorry.
Steven Orr (06:55):
I'm sorry.
I don't care about your politics.
I care about the issue and.
David Williams (06:59):
You No, you said you discredit me because I said the country
couldn't handle another five years.
I immediately discreditsomebody who says that.
Steven Orr (07:05):
can't, can handle whatever we throw at it because we
are the United States of America.
It's not a political issue.
David Williams (07:10):
No.
No, it's not.
We can't handle, you can't saywe have unlimited resources.
You can't say that we cantake on anything in the world.
Steven Orr (07:18):
unlimited
David Williams (07:19):
we can.
No.
It's not true.
We're not able to, no.
What you've got to say is wedo have limited resources and
we have to act responsibly.
That I agree with you.
Steven Orr (07:30):
Lemme tell you something.
I know how it works in the oil business.
I'm in there too all the time.
We have so much oil in this country.
We put a nice big bowon and a number on it.
So that commodity, we'vegot plenty of food.
We are the literallybread basket of the world.
You wanna talk about rareearth outside of China.
We are the second largest and rare earth.
Is there a commodity thatyou're interested in?
I'm happy to tell you thenumbers if you'd like to know.
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That's what I do for aliving every single day.
And I can tell you right now,this isn't a political issue.
Immigration is a very seriousissue that we need to tackle, and
it's not based on what Newsom isdoing or what DeSantis is doing.
It's based on how we come togetheras a country to make immigration.
Most immigration right now,problems isn't even in California.
It's in Texas, right?
They're coming across the border in Texas.
Why?
Because they need leatherneckin work in the oil fields.
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They need people in theagriculture that aren't even there.
And there's a problem in Nevada,and there's a problem in Utah.
It's not a California issue alone.
This is a United States of America issue
David Williams (08:22):
No, it's a California issue right now because they're you're, no
Steven Orr (08:25):
care about
David Williams (08:26):
but the point is because we're so irresponsible
in bringing them in, we did notdirect them to the right places.
We said, come on in, tax our resources.
Go ahead.
We're fine with it.
We'll figure you out later.
That's the problem that we have, isthat we've been irresponsible with
immigration and we cannot continue tobe, we're not carte blanche to the world.
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Yes, we have a great,vast amount of resources.
Every resource can run drylike it has in California.
And we're not gonna just, got peoplein California that are picking
up and shifting to other statesbecause they can't take it anymore.
They're tired of it.
We're paying six and $7 gas and youtell me we got unlimited fuel supply.
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Yeah.
But we've got a state that'sgonna tax the hell out of us.
'cause now we gotta makeup for all the immigration.
Steven Orr (09:13):
I tell everybody that lives in California that hates California.
Why the hell are you there?
David Williams (09:17):
live here because of my family.
Steven Orr (09:20):
You should say, you know what, if you're defending
the state of California and what'sgoing on you can pick up and leave.
That's what the United States ofAmerica says, Hey, you know what,
there's other states to go to.
So if you really
David Williams (09:29):
There's other countries to go to pick up and leave.
You don't like what's happeningwith you as an immigrant?
Pick up and leave, goback to your own country.
I'm in California because mykids happen to be here and I have
some family that I need to spendsome time with my actual home.
Legal
Steven Orr (09:42):
those
David Williams (09:43):
My li my legal residence.
My legal residence is Colorado.
company is based in Nevada.
So the fact that I happen to bein California right now is because
of some family obligations,but it's not 'cause I love it.
Steven Orr (09:58):
are in the United States is because they have work here and
they have family here that you justtold me your only answer, right?
They can go where they need togo to, but it may make a better
life for their own families.
David Williams (10:08):
Huh?
At the cost of the taxpayers until wecan figure out how to assimilate 'em.
Steven Orr (10:12):
are you
David Williams (10:12):
I'm sorry.
Steven Orr (10:13):
to?
David Williams (10:13):
I'm sorry.
Steven Orr (10:14):
Are you paying to California?
Are you paying Nevada
To Colorado?
David Williams (10:18):
I pay California taxes every time I go fill up my gas tank.
I took Sarah out to dinner last night.
I paid 10 and a half percent tax on food.
So yes, I'm paying taxes all daylong that are helping to support
the broken system in California.
Anytime I do business in California,yes, I pay California taxes on the
business I do in California as well.
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So yeah, I pay California taxes.
I also pay Colorado taxes, andI also pay taxes in Nevada.
They're just in various different forms.
So no, it's
In every situ, every place that I'm at.
But I take real offense to somebody,telling me we can just bring on
the entire world and bring 'em intothe United States because we're
the greatest country in the world.
We have unlimited resources.
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And if you say otherwise,you're discredited.
Dave Conley (11:02):
No I think it's
David Williams (11:03):
You're
Dave Conley (11:04):
I think it's super fair as somebody who moved from California
to Florida, I think it's super fairthat the ninth largest economy on the
planet like that's California is alsorunning the worst deficits this year.
And they're trying to figureout how to balance their budget.
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Some of that is definitely tied to all ofthe different programs that are going on.
They are not hiding the factthat they do pay a lot of money.
A lot of money goes out fora lot of social services.
So I think it's fair to say thatdepending on the state, there is
an unequal burden across states.
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And like I live in Florida now, andfrankly they just don't pay like the
state of the school system in thecounty that I live in is abysmal.
So it depends on the state.
So I think it is fair to say that toboth of your points, we do have unlimited
resources in the sense that we have moreoil than any other planet on Earth, right?
That is a shocking thing for most peopleto hear, we have so much oil, that's
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one of our biggest exports, and thatsome states are cratering because of
the burdens on them and some aren't.
So I think that there's a certain amountof aspect to this that is also true.
What you said David, was that.
The foreign policy for the UnitedStates for the last hundred plus years
has been to put our nose in everycountry's business, our foot on most
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of their necks, all through Centraland South America and the Caribbean.
Like we've overturned more governmentsand we've made, any number of
countries absolutely miserable.
And I don't know about you,but yes, America is like the
greatest place on the planet.
I can't imagine living someplace else.
And I'm sure for tens of millionsof people, they didn't wanna
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leave their country either.
so is there something to be saidabout US foreign policy, and if we're
making America great again, makingVenezuela great again, making Haiti
great again, making Cuba great again.
What do you think our role is?
Not only in creating thisproblem, but also fixing it and
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starting with foreign policy.
David Williams (13:21):
Yeah I agree.
I agree that we havehistory of overstepping in
countries we didn't belong.
And some of it to the benefit of thosecountries and some of it to the detriment.
I'm not dodging your question tosay that, is from Seoul, Korea.
Her family migrated herewhen she was eight years old.
She didn't speak lick of English.
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Her parents were, her father wasa pharmacist, her mom was a school
teacher, and they got over here.
And those certifications thoseskill sets couldn't apply.
So they ended up doing differentjobs and she lived a very life
for her first five or six years.
And her brother's now a Los AngelesCounty prosecutor, and she's a
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optometrist and has been one for20 plus years, 30 years very very
productive and contributor to society.
But we stuck our nose inSouth Korea in a good way.
We could, my father fought in South Korea.
I think in other places we've stuck ourfoot in, especially in the Middle East,
and we did like you said, stepping onthe neck of some people and doing it in a
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backhanded way that, should be ashamed of.
I agree.
If we put more resources into makingsome other countries better so
they didn't have to migrate here,maybe that's a good thing too.
I'm talking about.
Where we are immediately, the immediateproblem, I'm not talking about five years,
six years, eight years down the road.
I'm talking about how do we fix it today.
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And the best thing that I can agreewith Steven on is let's put ai, let's
get fricking technology cranked up and
Jerremy Newsome (14:58):
So rather than so David, you're saying rather than a
mass deportation, so let's say Hey,if you're here by, go through some
channel of using technology just tospeed up the entire process that you
could do a week from now to say, whoshould stay here and who should not?
David Williams (15:13):
We're out there trying to use a guppy net to pick up, what
we should be casting a huge net for.
And the only way you can, wecan't afford to cast the huge
net, so let's put E-Verify in,let's put AI in and let's separate
Jerremy Newsome (15:27):
What are we E-Verify?
If they're illegal, whatare wever verifying?
David Williams (15:31):
I'd make 'em well.
To Steven's Point that, we should beable to do a scan, but biometrics, but
the, now your question, does Mexicohave a database the biometrics of these
people that we can cross reference?
That's, that would be my biggest concern,is how many of these people aren't
registered in their own country froma biometric standpoint, but I think
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you have to it it's the only way we'regonna be able to solve it fast, quickly
is I think all the resources at ice.
Is trying to scoop up theocean with a guppy net.
I think if you use at leastE-Verify to identify the good ones,
The bad ones won't bestanding in line to E-Verify,
Jerremy Newsome (16:16):
interesting.
Yeah.
David Williams (16:17):
days, give 'em six months to E-Verify.
Jerremy Newsome (16:20):
So Steven what do you think wastes more taxpayers money?
Would it be like milesof unused border walls?
The 70 billion for the CBP?
Our boy David just mentionedice, that's 70 billion
Steven Orr (16:32):
let's break that down.
That's a lot to unpack andI think it's a great point.
There's been some good points there.
The first, I think I would say is whenyou look at the border wall, that was
the biggest waste of money period.
Because guys were climbing over thefences, or they're crawling under
or whatever they can get around it.
I, border wall was just nonsense.
(16:52):
Now speaking from a former Department ofState employee and someone who believes
in diplomacy and sticking our nose inother places, absolutely we should.
We've stuck our nose in places thatprobably shouldn't have been, but as
my former employees would say, I wouldrather be over there making peace than
having them come over here and making war.
So in a lot of ways, there's a reasonwhy we're over there is to make sure
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that they have a much better life.
So China did the very smart thing.
What did they do?
They stuck their nose into all of Africa.
now control most of the continentof Africa through finance.
Ask, of the water now isrun through African money or
through a Chinese war money.
That, that we started thatprocess but did not finish it.
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The second thing I'd say here now isthat we also need to fund better the
State Department itself, diplomacy.
And we just laid off how manyemployees there again I believe
in, in, in peace more than war.
Nobody wins in war.
And when you have people intheir own country that are not
happy, that's when war happens.
Just ask Somalians.
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Just ask the Haitians.
Just ask the Iranians right now that inthat border and gaza's a problem, right?
Because they hate eachother's lives, right?
So when I look at the United Statesand how do we fix this problem,
fix it over there first, andnot have them come here, Right?
If we help them have a betterlife in their own country, we
won't have an immigration issue.
They'll be like, why don't wantto go to the United States?
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I have a better life in Mexico.
I have a better life in Canadathan I did in the United States.
Why do I want live in France, soI don't wanna go to the United
States and immigrate there'cause I have a better life here.
That's what they want.
And they wanna live with their familiesand they love the way that they lived or
they wouldn't live in those areas, right?
Or that's where their business is.
That's where their families are.
They won't wanna move if theylive in a much better situation.
(18:37):
So when those look, living in SouthFlorida, in Key West, at some point we
had a wet foot dry foot policy, Which
Jerremy Newsome (18:44):
Yeah.
Steven Orr (18:45):
you made it over in a boat, whatever that submarine or that 30
stroke engine, whatever that thing was,aluminum foil put together from Cuba.
If they could make it here, hell yeah.
Let 'em be here because they've justbraved sharks and everything else in
bad water and weather to a better life.
And majority of them didn't make it.
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A lot of them didn't make it over here.
They, a lot of themdied on the way over it.
Or they got stopped by a US CoastGuard and they didn't make it that
with foot drive po foot policy.
But if they're willing to gethere, there's wrong with that.
I think that's exactly the weatherwe should be, if you look at.
Little Haiti now, andlittle Cuba and Miami.
They'll say the same thing.
You know what?
They left Cuba because of Castro.
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It was a worst economyand a worse dictatorship.
So they came here.
If we make their lives betterin those countries, they
will not want to come here.
So I'm okay with that.
You wanna say, what?
Where should we spend our moneyand where should we spend in the
State Department spend it in?
In U-S-A-I-D, which was what?
We're cutting.
It's the biggest cut right now.
(19:48):
The state department's budget to,according to the federal government,
the all of it is less than 1%.
Now, 1%.
If we really wanted to solve theproblems, spend money in places that
makes diplomacy and makes their livesbetter, United Nations should have more
money than they have right now in orderto make, and that won't be a US problem.
It'll be a world problem tohelping solve those problems.
(20:08):
Then we don't have to worryabout immigration issues.
Then we don't have to worry aboutbiometrics and all that other stuff.
Make their lives better over there.
They won't wanna come here.
Jerremy Newsome (20:17):
It's fascinating.
Love that take.
Let's do one last question.
And again, I will say I loveboth of your hearts for the
individuals and for the people too.
I mean, like, it, it just really shinesthrough the discussion because ultimately
that's what we're talking about.
And we do realize that it's all complex.
Every single person, everylife, they all have a story.
They all have families, they all havetheir trials, their tribulations,
what they're trying to do, thedreams, the achievements, the jobs,
(20:39):
the careers, their home, their kids.
I mean, that's reallywhat, it's the discussion.
It's extremely complex.
And we realize that we're notgonna solve the problem in a phone
call and a webinar and a podcast.
Dave and I also, we've had afew discussions where we go,
wow, that's actually probablya solution for this problem.
Or there's a realsolution for this problem.
There's a real solution.
We came into immigration realizingthere's probably not gonna
(21:02):
be like a oh that's solved.
But
I would like to pose this question becauseI think it'd be interesting 'cause both
of you're extremely great business owners.
You're great entrepreneurs, very powerfulmen, very thought through gentlemen.
Where do you both see privatesector innovation, potentially
solving what government couldnot in this specific situation?
(21:24):
Let's go with Steven first.
Steven Orr (21:26):
Yeah, I think it starts with the private sector and not
in the government sector, becausewhy and Dave have both said it,
nothing's changed since the nineties.
That's the first time thebills have, so this is not
gonna happen to the government.
We need to understand that even if wewant laws change and we want the judicial
system to actually, it's gonna startwith the US as business owners to set the
(21:47):
policy right, to be able to say, look.
We know that there's animmigration policy problem.
We know that there arepeople, there are bad hombres.
I'll say There are badhombres here, right?
But.
If we take the general idea that everybodyis just bad coming in this country that,
okay, throw the baby out with the bathwater, then that's not gonna solve the
(22:09):
problem for those owners in the farms.
It's not gonna solvethe problem for the Dr.
Hortons of the world who needpeople to build those homes.
It's not gonna solve the problem.
So I think it does start with uspressuring our member of Congress.
I think it does start with us saying,look, let's spend more money in diplomacy.
Let's spend more money of my hard earnedmoney that I spend taxes on the day,
(22:31):
spend taxes on California and not wasteit on fixing the salamanders problem.
But actually gettingthe deep heart problem.
All right.
If you're saying that the biggestproblem is human trafficking, let's
put those guys to the test and sendthem out and put 'em the chopping block
as I've been saying, that needs tobe pressure from the business owners.
That needs to come frompressure financially, right?
(22:53):
If that member of Congress isn'tdoing it as business owners, then
maybe we should start puttingmoney to people that will do that.
Maybe we should start putting P packmoney together that says, okay, this
organization is supporting my ideasabout getting rid of the bad ombres.
This is the place I wanna spend moneyin order to make diplomacy better.
Because right now, all we care about,and this is I think why a lot of
(23:15):
people were attracted to MAGA in thefirst place, is they felt that the,
people ask me all the time aboutpolitics and why is it so divided?
And I said, look, lemmetell you something.
Donald Trump and Bernie Sanderswere talking to the same people.
What?
Bernie Sanders on the far left, andDonald Trump's in the far right.
(23:36):
That's right, but he is talkingto the same people because what
they're saying is you didn't geta fair shake in the United States.
You didn't get to live the American dream.
Okay?
So my path is this way, and my path isthis way, but we're both down charting.
We're not the ones that arehappy, so we want to change it.
That's why politics is so separated.
there are people don't really, thatwant to solve the problem, and the
(23:59):
business owners don't want problemsbecause the more problems that are
solved and the less problems wehave, those people spend more money.
And businesses grow andimmigration comes in the right way.
So I think as business owners, wehave an, obligation to set some of
those policy ideas to those people.
And I think Jerremy thanks.
And Dave, thanks for having me onthe show because, this is really,
a lot of ways members of Congressactually will be seeing this.
(24:22):
People that actually do makedecisions will be listening to us
at, on Dave's side, Dave's point andmy points and our points together
that maybe we could come together.
If Dave and I can come together on thisshow here and talk about how to get the
things done, maybe they can do it too.
Jerremy Newsome (24:36):
Yeah.
Fascinating.
Love that.
David Williams, what's your thoughts?
Private sector?
What should we be doing?
David Williams (24:42):
I think that, i've been consistent.
I think Steven's consistent in thisthought too, we can use technology
to separate to refine that process.
I think we use privatesector to refine it as well.
If you're a gainfully employed person,you've been employed with me for the
past, four or five years we shouldbe able to vouch for these people to
(25:03):
say, Hey, look, here's an exception.
This is not somebody you wanna round up.
So I think that we can vouch for people,we can accredit people that are here.
But I do disagree that we're just roundingeverybody up and throwing 'em out.
I've not seen that.
I've seen most of 'em are goingthrough criminal background checks.
Most of 'em are being roundedup because they are criminals.
I think the focus on the securityof the country has been on,
(25:26):
let's get the bad ones first.
Let's get the bad ones first.
But I think that we can use technologyand I do think that we can use
the private sector to identifywho that is at one point in time.
And I, forgive me guys, I'm somewhatblindsided by the topic when I
got the thing a couple hours ago.
But at one point in time, orange Countywas the 34th richest economy in the world.
Orange County alone, 90% of which was runby companies with less than 50 employees.
(25:52):
So we are the private sector.
Orange County is the 34.
Again, these statistics go back away.
They may have changed, but if you'rethe 34th richest economy and you're
employing less than 50 people itshould be real quick and easy to be
able to say, Hey, look, I can verify,25, 40%, 50%, 75% of my workforce to
(26:14):
say, look, they've been here, they'vebeen here for x amount of time.
I can verify them.
Let's give them a pass.
Let's focus on the bad.
Jerremy Newsome (26:22):
Got it.
David Williams (26:23):
because we don't have the resources, we don't have the
Jerremy Newsome (26:25):
Yeah.
David Williams (26:26):
to address all 13, 14 million people that came across
in that short period of time.
So how do we use the resources we have?
I think AI is one of 'em.
I think the private sector to vouchfor others is another way to do it.
But we have to separate, we haveto separate divide and conquer.
Because I agree, you can't throwthe baby out with the bath water.
We don't have the resources for it.
(26:46):
We don't have unlimited resources.
Steven, I'm sorry I'll argue thatpoint till the cows come home.
But we do have, we have to use thebest of the resources that we have.
And I think the private sectorand AI would be the best.
Two things we could implement immediately.
And I think you're right.
Congress.
make Congress get involved.
Make them stand up and do
Jerremy Newsome (27:07):
Hold 'em accountable.
David Williams (27:07):
And,
Jerremy Newsome (27:09):
I'll say this.
David Williams (27:10):
get started on term limits because I guarantee
around doing absolutely nothingand have been for 20 plus years
Jerremy Newsome (27:16):
Whole different conversation.
Yes.
And, but I'm a big proponent ofterm limits because you have it in
literally everything else imaginable.
So like every other field of all,even in military, they kick you
out at a certain point, right?
If you've been servingfor they're like, bye.
So yes, a hundred percent.
Like we should have somelevel of adequacy there.
(27:38):
But I will blend both of your statements.
From my perspective, from mypoint of view, we have unlimited
nothing, but we have a, we have aninfinite amount of finite resources.
So David what that would mean fromthe abundance standpoint, like the
amount of oil that's on earth islike the grains of sand on a beach.
Like it's so innumerable though.
It is finite.
(27:58):
'cause it's contained,it's extremely large.
Just like money.
Steven Orr (28:02):
Yep.
Jerremy Newsome (28:02):
can say that money is also finite, but there is much of it
that it feels and can act very infinite.
So ultimately that is a blendof an abundance mindset.
At the same time, a realizationof, yeah, there's not an unlimited
amount of anything on earth.
'cause earth is a containedspherical, it's contained.
So there's an infiniteamount of finite resources.
But to that statement and to thatwrap up, here's, I would love to ask
(28:26):
both of you, and again, thank you forbringing us both energy excitement, two
counterintuitive points that have reallyallowed both myself and Dave to take
extremely adequate notes about what wecan and could do relatively quickly.
Because again, to the point of.
The innovation sectorfor the private sector.
We have thousands and thousands ofpeople listening to this podcast.
(28:49):
That's a humongous businessopportunity, right?
Being able to create the biometrics,being able to create the ai, being able
to create the legal aspect that canmove things along a lot faster and can
read through the complexities, it canstart solving some of those problems.
That's a huge opportunity.
Alex (29:02):
"Passionate clash over, deep care for America's future revealed.
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dignity, opportunity, progress.
Next (29:10):
private sector innovation bridges the gaps government couldn't,
turning debate into action."
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