July 31, 2025 • 14 mins
After heated debate, common ground emerges. David Williams calls out media propaganda fueling division while Steven Orr champions platforms for dialogue. Both agree: private sector innovation beats government gridlock. Their solution? Technology-driven verification, employer vouching systems, and AI-powered processing. As Orange County's 34th richest economy built by small businesses shows, entrepreneurs—not politicians—hold the key. The episode ends with a powerful call: pressure Congress, fund diplomacy, and remember that immigration is personal.
Timestamps:
- (00:00) Opening: Business Innovation Over Political Promises
- (00:24) No Kings Day: Media Manipulation and Division
- (03:51) Finding Middle Ground Through Dialogue
- (04:17) "Immigration Is Personal" - The Human Element
- (06:05) Tech Solutions: AI, Verification, and Speed
- (07:12) What We Learned: Education Is Everything
- (09:27) Dave's Take: Setting Systems on Fire
- (11:43) Final Thoughts: It's About People, Not Politics
- (13:28) Call to Action: Subscribe and Share Solutions
Connect:
- Steven E. Orr: X - https://x.com/qmbigbeat
- LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/qmbigbeat/
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Alex (00:00):
"From heated disagreement to collaborative building.
Private sector solutions, sharedentrepreneurial values, practical
next steps—proving that America'stoughest challenges need business
innovation, not just political promises."
Jerremy Newsome (00:14):
David, Steven, do you have anything to share
as a final with our listeners?
And do you have anything that you wouldlike to promote or discuss or provide?
Have David Williams.
You go first.
David Williams (00:24):
I'm frustrated from a standpoint of.
Having to just literally deal with theNo Kings Day, walking right down the
street and being thrown in my face.
Which I found to be very hypocriticalbecause that they're standing up for
migrants that Clinton, Obama we'remuch tougher on than what's, what,
(00:47):
than any other administration has been.
But you're gonna turn around andscream at Trump for, saying, Hey,
we gotta get under control after,the floodgates were just opened up.
So my frustration is in this current stateof affairs, the media is propagating to
create this division within the country.
Jerremy Newsome (01:06):
Oh, we can all agree on that.
David Williams (01:07):
Seven, 75% of us are concerned about immigration.
What was the otherstatistic that you have?
And 55% of us are unhappy withit, I think is we're the same
55% that voted Trump into officesaying, look, we want to change.
We wanna stop this.
It was probably the number, in my opinion,the number one issue on the ballot.
(01:28):
And I think that as long as themedia the George Soros of the world
want to continue to pay, we hadads here in Southern California.
Go protest, we'll sendyou $3,000, literally in
Craigslist ads in nextdoor ads.
Which then fuels the propaganda.
(01:48):
That's not gonna fix anything.
All it's gonna do iscontinue to create divide.
That's what I saw in my neighborhood,walking down the street on No Kings Day.
and what was going on withthe protesting in downtown la?
It was so contained in a smallarea, right around an ice
facility downstairs or downtown.
(02:09):
But if you looked at it acrossthe national News, LA was on fire.
People are right.
Burning cars left and right.
It was within a threeblock, four block area.
It's.
Jerremy Newsome (02:18):
Small.
David Williams (02:19):
Yeah, it was extremely small, made to be a huge issue, which
then propagated the, no Kings Day,which then, you know, depending on what
part of the country you were in, wehad probably, I don't know, 25, 30,000
people down on the beach in Santa Monica.
It went very peacefully.
There wasn't any kind of unrest oranything like that, and in Orange
County, they showed up and got ran off.
(02:39):
Depending on where you're at, it wasa big deal or it wasn't a big deal.
But it's frustrating that somebody comesinto office, voted in by, the largest,
popular vote in recent history with one ofthe best approval ratings in a 90 day, 120
day stretch, whatever it was that he had.
And then turn around and say, thatwe're shutting down the country.
(03:03):
No King's Day.
We don't want himdictating what's going on.
It was a very small minority of peoplethat were really protesting in, in a loud
way that the media made to be a huge deal.
And that's what's causing theseparation in this country.
I think there is a solution.
I think Stephen and I can agreethat, least there's technology that
(03:23):
could help to resolve a lot of this.
And I think that was a brilliant ideaof Stevens to put the AI in there.
I think the private sector canlend a huge hand towards that.
But I think, the media propaganda andthe paid protesting and all that kind of
stuff is not helping our country at all.
It's just making us more divided.
Jerremy Newsome (03:42):
I agree on the media piece.
100%.
Steven.
Big beat, my man.
Do you have anything to promote,share, or anything as a final?
Steven Orr (03:51):
I think that you talk about the media in general and you
say, okay, the media's split, andthere's a right wing side to it, and
there's the left wing side to it.
places like this, Jerremy and Davethat you guys, that you're putting
out there to giving a platform forthose of us who are on both sides to
talk about things in a more betterway of explaining our positions and
(04:15):
saying, Hey, there is a middle ground.
Let's find that middle ground.
Because right now all you're seeingis news organizations that are
either one side or the other becausethey want more clicks or they want
Jerremy Newsome (04:26):
Yep.
Yep.
Steven Orr (04:27):
Instead of bringing a platform that says, bring all the ideas
together and let's fix the problemfaster right now, that's easier said
than done, and I understand that.
And, but.
When we are looking at thecountry, the next, people say,
okay, let's fix the problem now.
You're not gonna fix immigration tomorrow.
It's just not gonna happen.
but we have to start somewhere.
(04:48):
And this is a good placeto start is talking, right?
That's the problem.
We're not talking to each other.
We're letting some people yelland scream on TV and say, this
is the way it's supposed to be.
And then we're having anotherperson go, oh, down a city.
That doesn't accomplish anything, right?
We need to actually have it.
You talk about it from the perspectiveof Martin Luther King, he is.
It's all come together.
(05:09):
I look forward to a daywhen it's a better day.
And in order to do that, we have to.
And yes, there's gonna be some issuesand there's gonna be some problems.
There's gonna be some bumps in the road.
But we can talk about technology,we can talk about budgets.
We could talk about how good andbad the country is or financially
was, is immigration good?
But when it comes down to it,immigration in and of itself is
(05:29):
actually a very personal thing.
It's either a personal thing.
If you're a business owner and yougo, okay, this is hurting my business.
I don't have enough immigrantsworking for me, it's a personal thing.
If my sisters in United States and I'mfrom Mexico and I can't see my family
because I can't be with them, it'sa personal thing on so many levels.
That's why it's a heateddiscussion, right?
If it wasn't an issue that didn't reallyresonate in the hearts of every person,
(05:53):
75% according to the last polls, thenwe wouldn't have this issue, right?
It wouldn't be a dividingissue amongst us.
So there we have an ability asthe greatest country in the world.
Together.
So let's do that.
Let's come together on these kind offorums and let's have this chat and
let's put these ideas together, put itin the AI and say help us solve this.
And then get the biometrics down.
Get the technology side of thisdown and solve the problem.
(06:16):
It's, that's, it's reallyto me, and that's that easy.
Jerremy Newsome (06:18):
Yeah.
Yep.
That easy and that, thatchallenging at the same time, right?
Yeah.
I love it.
Gentlemen, David, thank you man.
Thank you for your favor and yourexcitement and your enthusiasm and
your care for the world, your carefor kids, your care for ending
human trafficking, and just yourgeneral brightness for the world.
And Steven, thank you as well for yourkind reminder that this country was
(06:40):
built on amazing principles, principlesof growth, principles of optimism,
principles of hope, and appreciateyou both being a part of the podcast
today, solving America's problems.
You are both incredible men,and thank you for being my life.
David Williams (06:52):
Thank you.
Appreciate you.
Jerremy Newsome (06:54):
You guys are awesome.
Steven Orr (06:55):
Jerremy.
Jerremy Newsome (06:55):
Yep.
See you.
Yeah, we got our first fight.
We needed it finally.
Dave Conley (07:01):
Loved it.
Jerremy Newsome (07:02):
I loved it too.
Finally, dude, great people.
It was good.
Dave Conley (07:07):
Let 'em roll.
Jerremy Newsome (07:08):
It was good.
I got a lot out of that man.
I learned a lot from that.
Dave Conley (07:12):
Yeah.
What did you learn?
Jerremy Newsome (07:13):
I did learn then, man, California is an absolute dumpster fire.
I did learn that.
Again, relearned it.
Dave Conley (07:19):
As a resident and a few
Jerremy Newsome (07:21):
yeah
Dave Conley (07:21):
a past and future
Jerremy Newsome (07:23):
dude, yes it is.
It's a dumpster fire.
It's our biggest area of reformin this country is Californian.
Truly figuring that out.
And you mentioned the word thatjust boggles my mind, deficit.
America's in a deficit,California's in deficit.
This is a massive problem, but theproblem with American deficit is we
can finance it through other countries.
California can't.
Right?
You can't go out and getCalifornia debt on other countries.
(07:45):
Maybe you can.
I don't know if they're doing that.
I doubt it.
But anyway that's one of the thingsthat kind of just reminded me of it.
And ironically enough, David didmake an interesting point, but at
the same time stipulated that likehe wanted a lot of human rights
for immigrants, but is upset thatCalifornia is giving those human rights.
And so that's, that's a tricky one tokind of navigate because you also do
(08:10):
want to take care of people, right?
You wanna provide people assistance andcare and, uh, it's a burden probably
'cause of the amount of people and howquickly it happened and the fact that
California has to hold that weight, butthey're still doing it because it's the.
Open air for, Hey, if youwanna come somewhere, come here
and we'll take care of you.
Although California has areally hard time doing that.
(08:31):
This is better thanthe alternative, right?
And the thing that I do agree with,and I think that was really kind of the
underlying theme of this discussion,Dave, was the discussion of, Hey,
let's, let's bring in technology tospeed this up because that's available.
It is possible.
And I think a lot of our listenersprobably feel the exact same way.
Technology's not being used in ourgovernment right now to speed things up.
(08:55):
Uh, it's still, uh, what was theword you used, use a great word to
describe our governmental system.
Medieval.
Yeah.
It's such a fantastic adjectivebecause I would really agree
Dave Conley (09:08):
medieval.
Jerremy Newsome (09:08):
ultimately it feels like we're in the 1530s in a lot of the
way we handle things and, I think that'sreally what I learned is that that's
probably gonna be an advent that a lotof individuals listening could find
solutions for, could find creations for,could find opportunities for, to really
start integrating that relatively quickly.
What'd you learn, Dave Conley?
Dave Conley (09:28):
I think what gets a couple of things, one of them is
that I appreciate how the currentadministration is burning down the
bridges and setting things on fire andmaking this such a front and center.
(09:49):
I disagree with what they are doing.
I find it it's inhumane and it's weirdand it's haphazard and it's expensive.
I mean the billions of dollarsthat they're pouring into this and.
about taxes because it's something thatwe interact with on a fairly basis.
(10:09):
We'll complain about the DMVbecause, every now and then we
have to go and get a license.
We'll complain about some aspect ofthe government because it touches us.
And I think most things are ethereal.
We'll talk about safety andwe'll talk about foreign aid.
We'll talk about giantmilitary, industrial complex.
(10:33):
But these are, I, like it's notsomething that we can put our
fingers on because it's out there.
is.
like really activatedwith a lot of people.
And I like that.
Even though it's negative,it's touching a lot of people.
And until you start touching alot of people, then you're not
(10:55):
gonna see legislative change.
And we've said that over and over again,is that the legislature has just abdicated
everything and left it to one dude.
And the current dude who has his handon the wheel is all over the map, right?
It's everywhere.
It's south African white people cancome in, but let's go invade Greenland.
(11:16):
I don't know.
It's
Jerremy Newsome (11:17):
Yeah.
Dave Conley (11:18):
talk.
The second thing I learned was thisisn't an overnight, other than let's
add some technology and let's dragthe government into at least the 20th
century, if not the 21st century.
The longer term thing is what youcome back to over and over again.
It's about education.
And I think it's until we,teach business leaders what
(11:43):
it means to, to hire and hire.
And if you are hiring day laborers andif you're hiring undocumented, how do you
get those people into the system properly?
How do you get them ontoPathways for success?
How do other companies spot peoplewho aren't playing by the rules?
Because if one company is playing by therules and another company isn't playing by
(12:06):
the rules, who's at a disadvantage there?
It's the one that's playing by the rules.
How do we teach peopleabout the economics of this?
Like if we don't even understand ourown food supply and how that works and
all of the different people who haveto touch your food and where those
people come from, then it becomesthis oh, I just go to the grocery
(12:28):
store and there's food there, andthen one day it's more expensive.
You're gonna be like, why?
It's more expensive because suddenlywe started making sure that people
weren't being held in slave labor, soI think there's a lot of education in
order to make this real for people.
I think it's okay, let's bringESL, English is a second language.
Let's make sure that people are getting
Jerremy Newsome (12:49):
Yep.
Dave Conley (12:49):
Make sure that businesses are like on board with this.
Make sure our schools are like, okay,what does immigration actually mean?
How does it work in the United States?
How broken is this?
What's the history of
Jerremy Newsome (12:59):
It's something that never is talked about in school.
That's an, this is not a discussion.
Dave Conley (13:05):
For a nation of immigrants, we don't know anything about it.
Jerremy Newsome (13:08):
correct.
It's mind blowing.
Mind blowing.
Dave Conley (13:13):
I think the short term, I think we got it.
There's a lot of technology and wegotta find, set the thing on fire
because it's gonna drive change.
People are gonna be like, oh my God.
And then longer term, I thinkit's education and like bringing
everybody on board with this.
That's what I learned.
Jerremy Newsome (13:26):
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I love it.
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Jerremy Newsome (00:14):
David, Steven, do you have anything to share
as a final with our listeners?
And do you have anything that you wouldlike to promote or discuss or provide?
Have David Williams.
You go first.
David Williams (00:24):
I'm frustrated from a standpoint of.
Having to just literally deal with theNo Kings Day, walking right down the
street and being thrown in my face.
Which I found to be very hypocriticalbecause that they're standing up for
migrants that Clinton, Obama we'remuch tougher on than what's, what,
(00:47):
than any other administration has been.
But you're gonna turn around andscream at Trump for, saying, Hey,
we gotta get under control after,the floodgates were just opened up.
So my frustration is in this current stateof affairs, the media is propagating to
create this division within the country.
Jerremy Newsome (01:06):
Oh, we can all agree on that.
David Williams (01:07):
Seven, 75% of us are concerned about immigration.
What was the otherstatistic that you have?
And 55% of us are unhappy withit, I think is we're the same
55% that voted Trump into officesaying, look, we want to change.
We wanna stop this.
It was probably the number, in my opinion,the number one issue on the ballot.
(01:28):
And I think that as long as themedia the George Soros of the world
want to continue to pay, we hadads here in Southern California.
Go protest, we'll sendyou $3,000, literally in
Craigslist ads in nextdoor ads.
Which then fuels the propaganda.
(01:48):
That's not gonna fix anything.
All it's gonna do iscontinue to create divide.
That's what I saw in my neighborhood,walking down the street on No Kings Day.
and what was going on withthe protesting in downtown la?
It was so contained in a smallarea, right around an ice
facility downstairs or downtown.
(02:09):
But if you looked at it acrossthe national News, LA was on fire.
People are right.
Burning cars left and right.
It was within a threeblock, four block area.
It's.
Jerremy Newsome (02:18):
Small.
David Williams (02:19):
Yeah, it was extremely small, made to be a huge issue, which
then propagated the, no Kings Day,which then, you know, depending on what
part of the country you were in, wehad probably, I don't know, 25, 30,000
people down on the beach in Santa Monica.
It went very peacefully.
There wasn't any kind of unrest oranything like that, and in Orange
County, they showed up and got ran off.
(02:39):
Depending on where you're at, it wasa big deal or it wasn't a big deal.
But it's frustrating that somebody comesinto office, voted in by, the largest,
popular vote in recent history with one ofthe best approval ratings in a 90 day, 120
day stretch, whatever it was that he had.
And then turn around and say, thatwe're shutting down the country.
(03:03):
No King's Day.
We don't want himdictating what's going on.
It was a very small minority of peoplethat were really protesting in, in a loud
way that the media made to be a huge deal.
And that's what's causing theseparation in this country.
I think there is a solution.
I think Stephen and I can agreethat, least there's technology that
(03:23):
could help to resolve a lot of this.
And I think that was a brilliant ideaof Stevens to put the AI in there.
I think the private sector canlend a huge hand towards that.
But I think, the media propaganda andthe paid protesting and all that kind of
stuff is not helping our country at all.
It's just making us more divided.
Jerremy Newsome (03:42):
I agree on the media piece.
100%.
Steven.
Big beat, my man.
Do you have anything to promote,share, or anything as a final?
Steven Orr (03:51):
I think that you talk about the media in general and you
say, okay, the media's split, andthere's a right wing side to it, and
there's the left wing side to it.
places like this, Jerremy and Davethat you guys, that you're putting
out there to giving a platform forthose of us who are on both sides to
talk about things in a more betterway of explaining our positions and
(04:15):
saying, Hey, there is a middle ground.
Let's find that middle ground.
Because right now all you're seeingis news organizations that are
either one side or the other becausethey want more clicks or they want
Jerremy Newsome (04:26):
Yep.
Yep.
Steven Orr (04:27):
Instead of bringing a platform that says, bring all the ideas
together and let's fix the problemfaster right now, that's easier said
than done, and I understand that.
And, but.
When we are looking at thecountry, the next, people say,
okay, let's fix the problem now.
You're not gonna fix immigration tomorrow.
It's just not gonna happen.
but we have to start somewhere.
(04:48):
And this is a good placeto start is talking, right?
That's the problem.
We're not talking to each other.
We're letting some people yelland scream on TV and say, this
is the way it's supposed to be.
And then we're having anotherperson go, oh, down a city.
That doesn't accomplish anything, right?
We need to actually have it.
You talk about it from the perspectiveof Martin Luther King, he is.
It's all come together.
(05:09):
I look forward to a daywhen it's a better day.
And in order to do that, we have to.
And yes, there's gonna be some issuesand there's gonna be some problems.
There's gonna be some bumps in the road.
But we can talk about technology,we can talk about budgets.
We could talk about how good andbad the country is or financially
was, is immigration good?
But when it comes down to it,immigration in and of itself is
(05:29):
actually a very personal thing.
It's either a personal thing.
If you're a business owner and yougo, okay, this is hurting my business.
I don't have enough immigrantsworking for me, it's a personal thing.
If my sisters in United States and I'mfrom Mexico and I can't see my family
because I can't be with them, it'sa personal thing on so many levels.
That's why it's a heateddiscussion, right?
If it wasn't an issue that didn't reallyresonate in the hearts of every person,
(05:53):
75% according to the last polls, thenwe wouldn't have this issue, right?
It wouldn't be a dividingissue amongst us.
So there we have an ability asthe greatest country in the world.
Together.
So let's do that.
Let's come together on these kind offorums and let's have this chat and
let's put these ideas together, put itin the AI and say help us solve this.
And then get the biometrics down.
Get the technology side of thisdown and solve the problem.
(06:16):
It's, that's, it's reallyto me, and that's that easy.
Jerremy Newsome (06:18):
Yeah.
Yep.
That easy and that, thatchallenging at the same time, right?
Yeah.
I love it.
Gentlemen, David, thank you man.
Thank you for your favor and yourexcitement and your enthusiasm and
your care for the world, your carefor kids, your care for ending
human trafficking, and just yourgeneral brightness for the world.
And Steven, thank you as well for yourkind reminder that this country was
(06:40):
built on amazing principles, principlesof growth, principles of optimism,
principles of hope, and appreciateyou both being a part of the podcast
today, solving America's problems.
You are both incredible men,and thank you for being my life.
David Williams (06:52):
Thank you.
Appreciate you.
Jerremy Newsome (06:54):
You guys are awesome.
Steven Orr (06:55):
Jerremy.
Jerremy Newsome (06:55):
Yep.
See you.
Yeah, we got our first fight.
We needed it finally.
Dave Conley (07:01):
Loved it.
Jerremy Newsome (07:02):
I loved it too.
Finally, dude, great people.
It was good.
Dave Conley (07:07):
Let 'em roll.
Jerremy Newsome (07:08):
It was good.
I got a lot out of that man.
I learned a lot from that.
Dave Conley (07:12):
Yeah.
What did you learn?
Jerremy Newsome (07:13):
I did learn then, man, California is an absolute dumpster fire.
I did learn that.
Again, relearned it.
Dave Conley (07:19):
As a resident and a few
Jerremy Newsome (07:21):
yeah
Dave Conley (07:21):
a past and future
Jerremy Newsome (07:23):
dude, yes it is.
It's a dumpster fire.
It's our biggest area of reformin this country is Californian.
Truly figuring that out.
And you mentioned the word thatjust boggles my mind, deficit.
America's in a deficit,California's in deficit.
This is a massive problem, but theproblem with American deficit is we
can finance it through other countries.
California can't.
Right?
You can't go out and getCalifornia debt on other countries.
(07:45):
Maybe you can.
I don't know if they're doing that.
I doubt it.
But anyway that's one of the thingsthat kind of just reminded me of it.
And ironically enough, David didmake an interesting point, but at
the same time stipulated that likehe wanted a lot of human rights
for immigrants, but is upset thatCalifornia is giving those human rights.
And so that's, that's a tricky one tokind of navigate because you also do
(08:10):
want to take care of people, right?
You wanna provide people assistance andcare and, uh, it's a burden probably
'cause of the amount of people and howquickly it happened and the fact that
California has to hold that weight, butthey're still doing it because it's the.
Open air for, Hey, if youwanna come somewhere, come here
and we'll take care of you.
Although California has areally hard time doing that.
(08:31):
This is better thanthe alternative, right?
And the thing that I do agree with,and I think that was really kind of the
underlying theme of this discussion,Dave, was the discussion of, Hey,
let's, let's bring in technology tospeed this up because that's available.
It is possible.
And I think a lot of our listenersprobably feel the exact same way.
Technology's not being used in ourgovernment right now to speed things up.
(08:55):
Uh, it's still, uh, what was theword you used, use a great word to
describe our governmental system.
Medieval.
Yeah.
It's such a fantastic adjectivebecause I would really agree
Dave Conley (09:08):
medieval.
Jerremy Newsome (09:08):
ultimately it feels like we're in the 1530s in a lot of the
way we handle things and, I think that'sreally what I learned is that that's
probably gonna be an advent that a lotof individuals listening could find
solutions for, could find creations for,could find opportunities for, to really
start integrating that relatively quickly.
What'd you learn, Dave Conley?
Dave Conley (09:28):
I think what gets a couple of things, one of them is
that I appreciate how the currentadministration is burning down the
bridges and setting things on fire andmaking this such a front and center.
(09:49):
I disagree with what they are doing.
I find it it's inhumane and it's weirdand it's haphazard and it's expensive.
I mean the billions of dollarsthat they're pouring into this and.
about taxes because it's something thatwe interact with on a fairly basis.
(10:09):
We'll complain about the DMVbecause, every now and then we
have to go and get a license.
We'll complain about some aspect ofthe government because it touches us.
And I think most things are ethereal.
We'll talk about safety andwe'll talk about foreign aid.
We'll talk about giantmilitary, industrial complex.
(10:33):
But these are, I, like it's notsomething that we can put our
fingers on because it's out there.
is.
like really activatedwith a lot of people.
And I like that.
Even though it's negative,it's touching a lot of people.
And until you start touching alot of people, then you're not
(10:55):
gonna see legislative change.
And we've said that over and over again,is that the legislature has just abdicated
everything and left it to one dude.
And the current dude who has his handon the wheel is all over the map, right?
It's everywhere.
It's south African white people cancome in, but let's go invade Greenland.
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I don't know.
It's
Jerremy Newsome (11:17):
Yeah.
Dave Conley (11:18):
talk.
The second thing I learned was thisisn't an overnight, other than let's
add some technology and let's dragthe government into at least the 20th
century, if not the 21st century.
The longer term thing is what youcome back to over and over again.
It's about education.
And I think it's until we,teach business leaders what
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it means to, to hire and hire.
And if you are hiring day laborers andif you're hiring undocumented, how do you
get those people into the system properly?
How do you get them ontoPathways for success?
How do other companies spot peoplewho aren't playing by the rules?
Because if one company is playing by therules and another company isn't playing by
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the rules, who's at a disadvantage there?
It's the one that's playing by the rules.
How do we teach peopleabout the economics of this?
Like if we don't even understand ourown food supply and how that works and
all of the different people who haveto touch your food and where those
people come from, then it becomesthis oh, I just go to the grocery
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store and there's food there, andthen one day it's more expensive.
You're gonna be like, why?
It's more expensive because suddenlywe started making sure that people
weren't being held in slave labor, soI think there's a lot of education in
order to make this real for people.
I think it's okay, let's bringESL, English is a second language.
Let's make sure that people are getting
Jerremy Newsome (12:49):
Yep.
Dave Conley (12:49):
Make sure that businesses are like on board with this.
Make sure our schools are like, okay,what does immigration actually mean?
How does it work in the United States?
How broken is this?
What's the history of
Jerremy Newsome (12:59):
It's something that never is talked about in school.
That's an, this is not a discussion.
Dave Conley (13:05):
For a nation of immigrants, we don't know anything about it.
Jerremy Newsome (13:08):
correct.
It's mind blowing.
Mind blowing.
Dave Conley (13:13):
I think the short term, I think we got it.
There's a lot of technology and wegotta find, set the thing on fire
because it's gonna drive change.
People are gonna be like, oh my God.
And then longer term, I thinkit's education and like bringing
everybody on board with this.
That's what I learned.
Jerremy Newsome (13:26):
Fascinating.
I love it.
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