November 18, 2025 • 19 mins
Dave Conley and Jerremy tackle America's gun violence epidemic, showing how urban youth, rural residents, and veterans face distinct threats. They favor targeted interventions over sweeping bans, stressing fixes for poverty and mental health. Highlighting just three universal U.S. gun laws, they advocate for enhanced education and training akin to driving or piloting licenses, plus community violence intervention programs and tougher rules to curb crime's roots.
Timestamps:
- (00:00) Gun Violence Crisis: How Poverty and Isolation Fuel America's Deadliest Divide
- (07:56) The Single Shot Rifle Debate
- (08:44) Chris Rock's Take on Gun Control
- (09:11) The Role of Ammunition Costs
- (10:26) Mental Health and Gun Violence
- (11:21) Community Violence Intervention (CVI)
- (12:45) The Link Between Poverty and Crime
- (15:07) The Need for Gun Education
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Alex (00:00):
Dave spotlights how gun violence hits specific groups hardest, from
urban youth to rural suicides, urgingtargeted fixes over broad bans.
But as Jerremy ties crime topoverty's despair, the stakes
rise—if hopelessness fuels the cycle,where does real intervention begin?
Dave (00:22):
There are only three laws, believe it or not, as much as we talk about guns
being completely over overregulated.
That's what I hear on one side,it's like there's so many laws
and it's not doing anything.
Or we have the wrong laws.
I like I can already hear my gun.
I call 'em affectionately,my gun nut friends, screaming
Jerremy (00:40):
I got some
Dave (00:40):
all the, there's only three that are universal.
One of them, if you're a felon,you cannot own a gun, period.
Par none, no felon can own a
Jerremy (00:48):
When you say universal, you mean universal in the
Dave (00:51):
all over the United States.
In the United Statesthere are only three laws.
One of them is, it's.
Jerremy (00:56):
yeah.
Dave (00:57):
18 USC 9 2, 2 G one.
Every state, every sale every day.
10 years in prison for a felonif they have a gun, that's it.
Period.
End of story number two, if you've everbeen convicted of slapping or pushing or
even threatening your spouse or partneror kid, even if it's a misdemeanor,
you cannot own a gun for life.
(01:19):
That one I didn't know.
Jerremy (01:21):
I didn't know this one.
Dave (01:21):
yeah.
Any domestic violence atall, you cannot own a gun.
Period.
And then three, if you've ever, it's,if a judge has ever said, Hey you're
not well, like any mental hospital, anykind of, anything that, where a judge
has said, you've had some sort of mentalhealth hold, you can never own a gun.
So that means everything else.
(01:43):
Everything else is this patchworkof laws across all states, which
to me doesn't make any sense.
It's okay, if you got one biglaw in one state, if you don't
like it there, you just go toanother state and you get a gun.
Like in, in one sense it's if you want,this universally changed in the United
States, given that we have a SecondAmendment we already got three and
(02:03):
they do what they need to be doing,and there's patchworks all over it.
It doesn't make any sense whenthe effects are very specialized.
And I have a feeling I'm gonna get somehate when I say this but here's the truth.
Here is the absolute truth.
The issues in gun and gunviolence are very specific.
So if you are a young black man wholives in a city, it's your leading
(02:28):
cause of death, and that is a tragedy.
That is insanity.
That is a, an urban poor people who donot have, like we've talked about this,
we've talked about this issue many timesbefore where it's like we, like our
issues and the money and the love andthe care, we need to be pouring it into
our cities now, like there is a hugefailure in our cities and it's really
(02:51):
affecting particular young black men.
And then there's the veterans.
They're committing suicide.
And if you are a, if you are awhite man in, in a rural area,
that's how you commit suicides too.
90% of rural white men whokilled themselves are killing
themselves with a gun.
Veterans, 73% suicide.
Now, here's another area wherewe can actually do some work.
(03:13):
Women who are in some sort ofdomestic violence situation,
things are bad in their household.
They are more likely than anythingelse to be, hit, killed with a gun.
That's a problem.
And then and then there's childrenwho get ahold of guns will die.
So like these are very specific targetedareas where we are not, I think having
(03:35):
good conversations rather than banall the guns, do all the things, do it
across the United States, like we talkabout like bump stocks and and types and
assault weapons and all those things.
And that is all noise.
We know exactly where this
Jerremy (03:49):
Wow.
That's powerful statement.
I agree with you, by the way.
Yeah, I agree with you.
To the point, again, if you'rea malicious human being,
Dave (03:57):
Yeah.
Jerremy (03:58):
having a scope on your gun, it's probably relevant.
And again, if you are unfortunately in aplace where you, man I hope this isn't too
overarching of a statement, but if whenyou're in a place of the mental strain
that mental strain probably is gonnahave a lot of financial implications.
(04:19):
And you generally feel like there'sno way out and there's no purpose.
So your purposeless and generallypurposeless comes from cash, right?
No ability to create,no ability to provide.
And you feel like there's no way out thothose are metrics that can be scanned for
that can be thought about ahead of time.
(04:41):
From Ready, ready, the va.
What?
Oh my goodness.
So we have a government agency that cando preemptive health checks on veterans.
Whoa,
Dave (04:57):
How about this?
We have a government that doesn'tneed to be sending our young men
and women all over the planetkick kicking over governments.
How about that?
That's the first thing I would do.
We're about to, we Venezuelais our next I'm telling you,
Cuba's next, it's God, stop.
Just
Jerremy (05:11):
Yeah, exactly.
If we have a, if we had a governmentthat's Hey, you know what, let's just
let's not send a bunch of people to war.
Dave (05:16):
How about Yes.
How about that?
We spend, we've spent the last25 years in perpetual wear.
How about we spend the next 25years being in perpetual peace.
I'm, I think that willsolve the veteran stuff,
Jerremy (05:27):
Agreed.
Agreed.
Because they don't have to use guns.
They don't have to go and murderpeople that they've never met
before in the name of something.
And that's gonna, because that'swhat the PTSD is from, right?
Taking the life of otherpeople innocently or whatever.
You just don't know.
You don't really know why you're there.
Like why am I here fighting this war?
Who's benefiting from me being on Somalia?
Dave (05:49):
And we, we have friends that have been, first tier operators who've
done this and they've come back andit's it is like coming back and being
reintroduced into society is the VAspends zero on that and it's who really?
A trillion dollars to send them over.
Zero to bring them back.
Jerremy (06:08):
Good old goose egg.
You're not spending money, man.
I'm with you.
And, but again, to your point, and whatI hear you saying pretty clearly is
the issue that's actually statisticallyand mathematically the problem.
We don't address, we're not talking about.
(06:29):
So many people have this narrative thatit's just simply the gun when a gun
Dave (06:36):
Yeah,
Jerremy (06:37):
is a knife, is a brick, is an anything, is a car, is anything else
that if you want to cause damage topeople, you'll find a way to do it.
Dave (06:45):
but it's not at scale.
That's where we're going to hear from, gun
Jerremy (06:49):
Advocates.
Dave (06:50):
no gun gun control advocates.
Like there was a period,this is also in our research.
There was a period where there werebands on the size of magazines, right?
Oh let's also clarify this.
If you use the word clip, and if you everhear the word clip in a movie show, they
don't know what they're talking about.
It's a magazine.
That's what you put bullets into.
So high capacity magazines were bannedfor a while, and actually the, the
(07:13):
number of deaths went down like thatseems, it seems pretty clear to me.
If high capacity magazines actually dohelp, and yes, they are annoying for
people who are going hunting and shootingand the Yes, they do have to change
their, they have to change the, theyhave to change their clips more often.
No, they have to changetheir magazines a little bit
Jerremy (07:30):
You.
Who are you?
Who are you shooting?
Chill out.
Chill, chill out, bro.
If you can't get a deer in twoshots, you don't need a, you don't
need eight other ones, homie.
Be better at
Dave (07:41):
it'd be better
Jerremy (07:43):
10.
A magazine of 10 ammo.
You have 10 shots that I thinkthat's the again, most states,
I think that's it, right?
Like 10 a 10 unit magazineis, a six shooter.
A single shot rifle.
I am, I will sign off on that.
I have, I really cannot ifyou're using this for defense.
(08:05):
Again.
Again, who are you?
Who are you trying todefend yourself from?
If you need an a crazyassault rifle, you don't.
You don't need that for hunting.
Dave (08:16):
Here's the math.
That changed it for me,not changed it for me.
Like in perspective, if a 10 roundmagazine saves one life per mass
shooting that is 50 kids thatwould be alive since Parkland
I would take those 50 kids'life over, over a $20.
(08:39):
Magazine any day of the week.
Jerremy (08:42):
Yep, I'm with you.
And Chris Rock once said, he is youknow how we should stop gun deaths?
Dave (08:48):
What's that?
Jerremy (08:50):
He goes, and here's what I love about comedians, man.
They just think so brilliantly sometimes.
And he glossed this over andpeople just forgot, really, in my
opinion, kinda the genius of this.
He goes, oh, you want guns?
Give 'em all the guns youwant a 40 magazine, 40?
Go for it.
(09:10):
How?
Make ammunition athousand dollars a bullet.
That's that's like Chris Rock's.
Give 'em all the guns they want.
Knock it, dude.
Go for it.
Ammo though, ammos expensive and he keptgoing on with the bit, obviously, and it
was, but it was really brilliant becauseI am, I'm on board with that, right?
Like in the sense of ifyou truly need ammunition
Dave (09:34):
like there is a tax on every look, I'm not even a
gun owner and I know this one.
Like on, on every bullet you do buy, thereis a tax, there's a federal tax on it.
And that, that, that tax actuallygoes to animal conservation.
And it's been one of the mostsuccessful things ev it's been
in there since Teddy Roosevelt.
It's been there a long time,between that and how you, you
get, your tags and the rest of it.
(09:55):
That's like really well thought through.
And it's been the most, one of themost successful ways of, it's been
one of the most conservative waysthat we've looked at how to manage
our wildlife in the United States.
And I'm like, huh, that's something
Jerremy (10:10):
Yep.
And again, if I make ammunition,
Dave (10:13):
a thousand dollars.
Jerremy (10:15):
Let's no dude.
Let's just say 30% more expensive,30% more expensive, right.
Nothing.
Nothing crazy.
Dave (10:20):
Alright.
Jerremy (10:21):
And then, oh, that 30%,
Dave (10:24):
Yeah.
Where does that money go?
Jerremy (10:25):
Yeah, exactly.
15 per 15 cents of every that additional30% or whatever the cost is, goes to
organizations that help mental health.
Whoa.
Dave (10:37):
one of
Jerremy (10:37):
that's the problem, right?
The brokenness of any country is in directproportion to the brokenness of men.
It is men that are doing these killings.
It is, it's always men.
It is men and boys who are angry,who have unimaginable anger and
they have no emotional fortitudeor training on how to cope.
(10:58):
And it can be a veteran.
Yes, it can be a gang member, yes.
But they are choosing to do thisbecause they have some emotional
incapacity to heal and to breathe andto cope with what they're feeling.
That's the data though, Dave.
Dave (11:12):
the DA here.
Here's the one I didn't know,and this is what I want.
I gotta, I wanna find these people.
I want to get 'em on this podcast.
I got to get them because.
I want that tax money going to CVI, it'scalled Community Violence Intervention.
This is frigging brilliant.
We talked about young black men beingthe biggest victims and perpetrators of
(11:32):
violence against each other and causingthousands of deaths every single year.
That's exactly what CVI does.
It is ex gang members.
It is community leaders.
It's people in their,in, in the community.
It's the coaches, it's the barbers,it's the, it's men going in and actually
mediating disputes and teaching.
(11:52):
And it drops shootings 30 to 50%.
It costs a milliondollars a year per city,
Jerremy (12:00):
On so low it's nothing.
Dave (12:03):
Ah, okay.
Fif $50 million right now.
Just make
Jerremy (12:06):
Yeah.
Rounding error.
Dave (12:08):
Like they mediate disputes and it's okay.
You get ex gang members who are nowmembers of the community and are
also, mediating disputes againstpeople who have disputes rather
than them killing each other.
It's it's peers, going in and diffusingthis and getting kids out of these cycles.
Jerremy (12:23):
And I can even say, listen, if you know that you're a gang member and
you know you're in the violence again,maybe I'm going too far off right now, but
let's say if you had to arrest them just'cause you know their affiliation and you
put 'em all in a room together and yougo, Hey buddy, figure let's figure it out.
Let's figure it out.
Let's put you in a situation whereyou can work out your differences.
(12:44):
Is it territories?
Is it whatever?
Because in my opinion crime isalmost directly linked to poverty.
And it is simply because they are unawarethat there are other applications of
their knowledge, their time, and theirenergy to create wealth for their family.
(13:04):
Because that's really inherently probablywhat they're trying to do, right?
A gang is trying to fight anothergang because they want more.
Land, which essentially is moreresources, more houses, more
opportunities, more jobs to do what?
To provide for their kids, providefor their wife, provide for someone.
(13:24):
That's what it is.
Dave (13:25):
violent crime is mostly related to poverty.
I agree with that.
And I know if you are poor inthe United States, you are also
treated differently on, like you areinteracting with the state a lot more.
You are treated differently.
You're not believed, like it'sa, poverty, we're gonna have
a whole series on poverty.
It's a, it is, it was an eyeopenerto meet people who are poor.
It's like they live entirelydifferent lives than people like
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that that, that aren't poor.
It's bonkers.
But I'm actually wonderingif most crime is that way.
It's I think white collar crime isprobably more prevalent and causes
more damage in a lot of ways,and it's the least prosecuted.
But that's for another
Jerremy (14:03):
That's another episode.
Dave (14:04):
I, yeah, I will say white
Jerremy (14:06):
Why?
Collar crime?
Dave (14:07):
way more prevalent and completely unenforced and yada.
But violent crime, yes.
I think it is tied to poverty.
It's tied to desperation.
It is tied to hopelessness.
There's, nobody shoots up a school.
Nobody shoots up their neighbor.
Nobody pulls out a gun forbecause they had a good day.
Jerremy (14:26):
yeah.
And they're not doingit from self-defense.
Dave (14:30):
No, that is a, it is a number.
The, it does come up, they call 'emDGU basically good guys with a gun.
I don't remember what DGU stands for.
What does it
Jerremy (14:39):
yeah, but it's a, that's a small number.
Dave (14:42):
gun use.
Lawful Citizen uses afirearm to stop a crime.
So best guess it's somewhere betweena hundred thousand, 500,000 a year,
but it's self-reported, yada yada.
It's not nothing.
On the other hand.
Unarmed civilians stop more mass shootingsthan armed, quote unquote good guys.
It's the moment that somebodytakes to reload is the moment
(15:03):
where somebody tackles the guy.
That's what bystanders do.
You don't, I was talking to my sisterhere about this podcast and I'm like, I.
I know one of the things thatyou and I would be talking about
is like education around this.
And I know that the education aroundgun ownership is a joke, and I'm like,
like I, I live, I've lived in manyareas where, you know, you, you ha you
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took like the most basic of exams anddid the most basic thing in order to
get a concealed carry permit, whichmeans, like you can be in any building
whatsoever and just pull out your gunand, be the good guy with the gun.
I'm like, I'm sure that theydon't talk about the laws.
I am sure that they don't understandlike, the responsibilities and I'm sure
they definitely don't talk about thetype of ammunition that you have to
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have in your gun in order to actuallyhave it in an urban environment where
you don't start shooting throughwalls and into other buildings.
Like they, they don'ttalk about those things.
I am just certain ofit, but I want to see.
That education is at thetop of gun ownership.
I don't think we do nearly enough of it.
I don't think we require it of people,like I, it is the, I believe the most
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deadly thing that we can do that hasthe least amount of education around it.
That's required.
I don't know why, you know that myfriend who flies a jet has to, make sure
that every month he has enough hours,he does enough checks, he does enough
things in order to keep his license.
But somebody who just buys agun has a, has, maybe a 24 hour
(16:30):
waiting and then that's it.
Here you go.
You have this gun and nobody's, unlessyou seek it, like how to use it, how
to care for it, what the laws are, noneof that is required, I don't think.
Maybe some states require it, butdo they, there's no universal,
here's how you use this crazy thing,we'll teach you how to drive a car.
And granted, I think there should be awhole lot more of continuing education
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when it comes to driving a car, but a gun.
Man, I think it's, I think it's weak.
Education.
What is my education czarI'm looking at right now?
What do you, how do you feel aboutgun ownership and information?
Jerremy (17:04):
Everything you said I agree with, I, I do and we've agreed on this for a
while and again it, as ironic as it is, Idefinitely fall in a little bit more into
the camp of the conservative nature ofgun ownership is listen, you can have your
guns, but it needs to come with a lot morewell, education around education on how
(17:27):
to use it, why to use it, when to use it.
I have no problem withcontinuing education.
You need to do a continuing education tohave a life insurance license or a real
estate license to sell people a house.
You gotta go in and yougotta do this thing.
Yeah, doctor,
Dave (17:41):
accountants,
Jerremy (17:42):
all of it, dude.
Dave (17:43):
education.
Jerremy (17:44):
You got a gun.
Alright, cool.
Every two years.
Go in and check.
You gotta get, a therapist to sign off.
Yeah.
This person's, totally.
Dave (17:51):
are the laws that have changed.
Here's, and to train up enough, it's okay,if you have a concealed carry permit,
it's okay, then you can do one of thosecourses where you are inside and you are
Jerremy (18:00):
me fired up,
Dave (18:01):
And it would be expensive.
And so I'd also wanna make it approachablefor people who can't afford it
because I don't think, affordabilityshould be it's gonna be expensive.
It's going to take time.
It's like getting a master's degree in,in gun and gun ownership and keeping your,
it's not just like your proficiency inshooting the thing, it's the proficiency
in owning it and being a responsible
Jerremy (18:21):
Has nothing.
Dave (18:22):
You need to be a super citizen because you're being
entrusted with a tremendous weapon.
And it's I want you to ownit, but I want you to own it.
And.
Jerremy (18:29):
Yeah.
Dave (18:29):
I'm gonna say right now if you don't, and if you don't
keep up on it, then yeah.
Not your, nobody would come in and seizeyour gun, but then, then you can't sell
guns, you can't buy ammunition, you can'tdo, people are gonna be grumpy with you.
It's yeah you gotta take that, yougotta take your Smith and Wesson down
to your local gun dealer and they'lllock it in a locker for you until
you get certified on it, no big deal.
It will take time.
And I know that, that mightbristle, but I do know that the
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responsible gun owners that I knowalready do some version of this.
Jerremy (18:55):
They already do some version of it.
Yeah.
They're going to thegun range often, right?
They're cleaning it,they're doing the firing.
They're checking it, into that aspect,like they are still putting in the time.
Dave (19:04):
Yeah.
Jerremy (19:05):
I wouldn't
Dave (19:05):
Just formalize it.
Yeah.
But just formalize it.
Jerremy (19:08):
process.
It's a formal process.
We're like, Hey, this iswhat you need to do now.
Alex (19:12):
Jerremy backs stricter gun education like pilot checks, mirroring licenses for
cars or jets, while Dave demands ongoingtraining for responsible ownership.
But if rules still miss badactors, how far should balance
go—next, global views weigh in.
Dave spotlights how gun violence hits specific groups hardest, from
urban youth to rural suicides, urgingtargeted fixes over broad bans.
But as Jerremy ties crime topoverty's despair, the stakes
rise—if hopelessness fuels the cycle,where does real intervention begin?
Dave (00:22):
There are only three laws, believe it or not, as much as we talk about guns
being completely over overregulated.
That's what I hear on one side,it's like there's so many laws
and it's not doing anything.
Or we have the wrong laws.
I like I can already hear my gun.
I call 'em affectionately,my gun nut friends, screaming
Jerremy (00:40):
I got some
Dave (00:40):
all the, there's only three that are universal.
One of them, if you're a felon,you cannot own a gun, period.
Par none, no felon can own a
Jerremy (00:48):
When you say universal, you mean universal in the
Dave (00:51):
all over the United States.
In the United Statesthere are only three laws.
One of them is, it's.
Jerremy (00:56):
yeah.
Dave (00:57):
18 USC 9 2, 2 G one.
Every state, every sale every day.
10 years in prison for a felonif they have a gun, that's it.
Period.
End of story number two, if you've everbeen convicted of slapping or pushing or
even threatening your spouse or partneror kid, even if it's a misdemeanor,
you cannot own a gun for life.
(01:19):
That one I didn't know.
Jerremy (01:21):
I didn't know this one.
Dave (01:21):
yeah.
Any domestic violence atall, you cannot own a gun.
Period.
And then three, if you've ever, it's,if a judge has ever said, Hey you're
not well, like any mental hospital, anykind of, anything that, where a judge
has said, you've had some sort of mentalhealth hold, you can never own a gun.
So that means everything else.
(01:43):
Everything else is this patchworkof laws across all states, which
to me doesn't make any sense.
It's okay, if you got one biglaw in one state, if you don't
like it there, you just go toanother state and you get a gun.
Like in, in one sense it's if you want,this universally changed in the United
States, given that we have a SecondAmendment we already got three and
(02:03):
they do what they need to be doing,and there's patchworks all over it.
It doesn't make any sense whenthe effects are very specialized.
And I have a feeling I'm gonna get somehate when I say this but here's the truth.
Here is the absolute truth.
The issues in gun and gunviolence are very specific.
So if you are a young black man wholives in a city, it's your leading
(02:28):
cause of death, and that is a tragedy.
That is insanity.
That is a, an urban poor people who donot have, like we've talked about this,
we've talked about this issue many timesbefore where it's like we, like our
issues and the money and the love andthe care, we need to be pouring it into
our cities now, like there is a hugefailure in our cities and it's really
(02:51):
affecting particular young black men.
And then there's the veterans.
They're committing suicide.
And if you are a, if you are awhite man in, in a rural area,
that's how you commit suicides too.
90% of rural white men whokilled themselves are killing
themselves with a gun.
Veterans, 73% suicide.
Now, here's another area wherewe can actually do some work.
(03:13):
Women who are in some sort ofdomestic violence situation,
things are bad in their household.
They are more likely than anythingelse to be, hit, killed with a gun.
That's a problem.
And then and then there's childrenwho get ahold of guns will die.
So like these are very specific targetedareas where we are not, I think having
(03:35):
good conversations rather than banall the guns, do all the things, do it
across the United States, like we talkabout like bump stocks and and types and
assault weapons and all those things.
And that is all noise.
We know exactly where this
Jerremy (03:49):
Wow.
That's powerful statement.
I agree with you, by the way.
Yeah, I agree with you.
To the point, again, if you'rea malicious human being,
Dave (03:57):
Yeah.
Jerremy (03:58):
having a scope on your gun, it's probably relevant.
And again, if you are unfortunately in aplace where you, man I hope this isn't too
overarching of a statement, but if whenyou're in a place of the mental strain
that mental strain probably is gonnahave a lot of financial implications.
(04:19):
And you generally feel like there'sno way out and there's no purpose.
So your purposeless and generallypurposeless comes from cash, right?
No ability to create,no ability to provide.
And you feel like there's no way out thothose are metrics that can be scanned for
that can be thought about ahead of time.
(04:41):
From Ready, ready, the va.
What?
Oh my goodness.
So we have a government agency that cando preemptive health checks on veterans.
Whoa,
Dave (04:57):
How about this?
We have a government that doesn'tneed to be sending our young men
and women all over the planetkick kicking over governments.
How about that?
That's the first thing I would do.
We're about to, we Venezuelais our next I'm telling you,
Cuba's next, it's God, stop.
Just
Jerremy (05:11):
Yeah, exactly.
If we have a, if we had a governmentthat's Hey, you know what, let's just
let's not send a bunch of people to war.
Dave (05:16):
How about Yes.
How about that?
We spend, we've spent the last25 years in perpetual wear.
How about we spend the next 25years being in perpetual peace.
I'm, I think that willsolve the veteran stuff,
Jerremy (05:27):
Agreed.
Agreed.
Because they don't have to use guns.
They don't have to go and murderpeople that they've never met
before in the name of something.
And that's gonna, because that'swhat the PTSD is from, right?
Taking the life of otherpeople innocently or whatever.
You just don't know.
You don't really know why you're there.
Like why am I here fighting this war?
Who's benefiting from me being on Somalia?
Dave (05:49):
And we, we have friends that have been, first tier operators who've
done this and they've come back andit's it is like coming back and being
reintroduced into society is the VAspends zero on that and it's who really?
A trillion dollars to send them over.
Zero to bring them back.
Jerremy (06:08):
Good old goose egg.
You're not spending money, man.
I'm with you.
And, but again, to your point, and whatI hear you saying pretty clearly is
the issue that's actually statisticallyand mathematically the problem.
We don't address, we're not talking about.
(06:29):
So many people have this narrative thatit's just simply the gun when a gun
Dave (06:36):
Yeah,
Jerremy (06:37):
is a knife, is a brick, is an anything, is a car, is anything else
that if you want to cause damage topeople, you'll find a way to do it.
Dave (06:45):
but it's not at scale.
That's where we're going to hear from, gun
Jerremy (06:49):
Advocates.
Dave (06:50):
no gun gun control advocates.
Like there was a period,this is also in our research.
There was a period where there werebands on the size of magazines, right?
Oh let's also clarify this.
If you use the word clip, and if you everhear the word clip in a movie show, they
don't know what they're talking about.
It's a magazine.
That's what you put bullets into.
So high capacity magazines were bannedfor a while, and actually the, the
(07:13):
number of deaths went down like thatseems, it seems pretty clear to me.
If high capacity magazines actually dohelp, and yes, they are annoying for
people who are going hunting and shootingand the Yes, they do have to change
their, they have to change the, theyhave to change their clips more often.
No, they have to changetheir magazines a little bit
Jerremy (07:30):
You.
Who are you?
Who are you shooting?
Chill out.
Chill, chill out, bro.
If you can't get a deer in twoshots, you don't need a, you don't
need eight other ones, homie.
Be better at
Dave (07:41):
it'd be better
Jerremy (07:43):
10.
A magazine of 10 ammo.
You have 10 shots that I thinkthat's the again, most states,
I think that's it, right?
Like 10 a 10 unit magazineis, a six shooter.
A single shot rifle.
I am, I will sign off on that.
I have, I really cannot ifyou're using this for defense.
(08:05):
Again.
Again, who are you?
Who are you trying todefend yourself from?
If you need an a crazyassault rifle, you don't.
You don't need that for hunting.
Dave (08:16):
Here's the math.
That changed it for me,not changed it for me.
Like in perspective, if a 10 roundmagazine saves one life per mass
shooting that is 50 kids thatwould be alive since Parkland
I would take those 50 kids'life over, over a $20.
(08:39):
Magazine any day of the week.
Jerremy (08:42):
Yep, I'm with you.
And Chris Rock once said, he is youknow how we should stop gun deaths?
Dave (08:48):
What's that?
Jerremy (08:50):
He goes, and here's what I love about comedians, man.
They just think so brilliantly sometimes.
And he glossed this over andpeople just forgot, really, in my
opinion, kinda the genius of this.
He goes, oh, you want guns?
Give 'em all the guns youwant a 40 magazine, 40?
Go for it.
(09:10):
How?
Make ammunition athousand dollars a bullet.
That's that's like Chris Rock's.
Give 'em all the guns they want.
Knock it, dude.
Go for it.
Ammo though, ammos expensive and he keptgoing on with the bit, obviously, and it
was, but it was really brilliant becauseI am, I'm on board with that, right?
Like in the sense of ifyou truly need ammunition
Dave (09:34):
like there is a tax on every look, I'm not even a
gun owner and I know this one.
Like on, on every bullet you do buy, thereis a tax, there's a federal tax on it.
And that, that, that tax actuallygoes to animal conservation.
And it's been one of the mostsuccessful things ev it's been
in there since Teddy Roosevelt.
It's been there a long time,between that and how you, you
get, your tags and the rest of it.
(09:55):
That's like really well thought through.
And it's been the most, one of themost successful ways of, it's been
one of the most conservative waysthat we've looked at how to manage
our wildlife in the United States.
And I'm like, huh, that's something
Jerremy (10:10):
Yep.
And again, if I make ammunition,
Dave (10:13):
a thousand dollars.
Jerremy (10:15):
Let's no dude.
Let's just say 30% more expensive,30% more expensive, right.
Nothing.
Nothing crazy.
Dave (10:20):
Alright.
Jerremy (10:21):
And then, oh, that 30%,
Dave (10:24):
Yeah.
Where does that money go?
Jerremy (10:25):
Yeah, exactly.
15 per 15 cents of every that additional30% or whatever the cost is, goes to
organizations that help mental health.
Whoa.
Dave (10:37):
one of
Jerremy (10:37):
that's the problem, right?
The brokenness of any country is in directproportion to the brokenness of men.
It is men that are doing these killings.
It is, it's always men.
It is men and boys who are angry,who have unimaginable anger and
they have no emotional fortitudeor training on how to cope.
(10:58):
And it can be a veteran.
Yes, it can be a gang member, yes.
But they are choosing to do thisbecause they have some emotional
incapacity to heal and to breathe andto cope with what they're feeling.
That's the data though, Dave.
Dave (11:12):
the DA here.
Here's the one I didn't know,and this is what I want.
I gotta, I wanna find these people.
I want to get 'em on this podcast.
I got to get them because.
I want that tax money going to CVI, it'scalled Community Violence Intervention.
This is frigging brilliant.
We talked about young black men beingthe biggest victims and perpetrators of
(11:32):
violence against each other and causingthousands of deaths every single year.
That's exactly what CVI does.
It is ex gang members.
It is community leaders.
It's people in their,in, in the community.
It's the coaches, it's the barbers,it's the, it's men going in and actually
mediating disputes and teaching.
(11:52):
And it drops shootings 30 to 50%.
It costs a milliondollars a year per city,
Jerremy (12:00):
On so low it's nothing.
Dave (12:03):
Ah, okay.
Fif $50 million right now.
Just make
Jerremy (12:06):
Yeah.
Rounding error.
Dave (12:08):
Like they mediate disputes and it's okay.
You get ex gang members who are nowmembers of the community and are
also, mediating disputes againstpeople who have disputes rather
than them killing each other.
It's it's peers, going in and diffusingthis and getting kids out of these cycles.
Jerremy (12:23):
And I can even say, listen, if you know that you're a gang member and
you know you're in the violence again,maybe I'm going too far off right now, but
let's say if you had to arrest them just'cause you know their affiliation and you
put 'em all in a room together and yougo, Hey buddy, figure let's figure it out.
Let's figure it out.
Let's put you in a situation whereyou can work out your differences.
(12:44):
Is it territories?
Is it whatever?
Because in my opinion crime isalmost directly linked to poverty.
And it is simply because they are unawarethat there are other applications of
their knowledge, their time, and theirenergy to create wealth for their family.
(13:04):
Because that's really inherently probablywhat they're trying to do, right?
A gang is trying to fight anothergang because they want more.
Land, which essentially is moreresources, more houses, more
opportunities, more jobs to do what?
To provide for their kids, providefor their wife, provide for someone.
(13:24):
That's what it is.
Dave (13:25):
violent crime is mostly related to poverty.
I agree with that.
And I know if you are poor inthe United States, you are also
treated differently on, like you areinteracting with the state a lot more.
You are treated differently.
You're not believed, like it'sa, poverty, we're gonna have
a whole series on poverty.
It's a, it is, it was an eyeopenerto meet people who are poor.
It's like they live entirelydifferent lives than people like
(13:47):
that that, that aren't poor.
It's bonkers.
But I'm actually wonderingif most crime is that way.
It's I think white collar crime isprobably more prevalent and causes
more damage in a lot of ways,and it's the least prosecuted.
But that's for another
Jerremy (14:03):
That's another episode.
Dave (14:04):
I, yeah, I will say white
Jerremy (14:06):
Why?
Collar crime?
Dave (14:07):
way more prevalent and completely unenforced and yada.
But violent crime, yes.
I think it is tied to poverty.
It's tied to desperation.
It is tied to hopelessness.
There's, nobody shoots up a school.
Nobody shoots up their neighbor.
Nobody pulls out a gun forbecause they had a good day.
Jerremy (14:26):
yeah.
And they're not doingit from self-defense.
Dave (14:30):
No, that is a, it is a number.
The, it does come up, they call 'emDGU basically good guys with a gun.
I don't remember what DGU stands for.
What does it
Jerremy (14:39):
yeah, but it's a, that's a small number.
Dave (14:42):
gun use.
Lawful Citizen uses afirearm to stop a crime.
So best guess it's somewhere betweena hundred thousand, 500,000 a year,
but it's self-reported, yada yada.
It's not nothing.
On the other hand.
Unarmed civilians stop more mass shootingsthan armed, quote unquote good guys.
It's the moment that somebodytakes to reload is the moment
(15:03):
where somebody tackles the guy.
That's what bystanders do.
You don't, I was talking to my sisterhere about this podcast and I'm like, I.
I know one of the things thatyou and I would be talking about
is like education around this.
And I know that the education aroundgun ownership is a joke, and I'm like,
like I, I live, I've lived in manyareas where, you know, you, you ha you
(15:24):
took like the most basic of exams anddid the most basic thing in order to
get a concealed carry permit, whichmeans, like you can be in any building
whatsoever and just pull out your gunand, be the good guy with the gun.
I'm like, I'm sure that theydon't talk about the laws.
I am sure that they don't understandlike, the responsibilities and I'm sure
they definitely don't talk about thetype of ammunition that you have to
(15:45):
have in your gun in order to actuallyhave it in an urban environment where
you don't start shooting throughwalls and into other buildings.
Like they, they don'ttalk about those things.
I am just certain ofit, but I want to see.
That education is at thetop of gun ownership.
I don't think we do nearly enough of it.
I don't think we require it of people,like I, it is the, I believe the most
(16:09):
deadly thing that we can do that hasthe least amount of education around it.
That's required.
I don't know why, you know that myfriend who flies a jet has to, make sure
that every month he has enough hours,he does enough checks, he does enough
things in order to keep his license.
But somebody who just buys agun has a, has, maybe a 24 hour
(16:30):
waiting and then that's it.
Here you go.
You have this gun and nobody's, unlessyou seek it, like how to use it, how
to care for it, what the laws are, noneof that is required, I don't think.
Maybe some states require it, butdo they, there's no universal,
here's how you use this crazy thing,we'll teach you how to drive a car.
And granted, I think there should be awhole lot more of continuing education
(16:52):
when it comes to driving a car, but a gun.
Man, I think it's, I think it's weak.
Education.
What is my education czarI'm looking at right now?
What do you, how do you feel aboutgun ownership and information?
Jerremy (17:04):
Everything you said I agree with, I, I do and we've agreed on this for a
while and again it, as ironic as it is, Idefinitely fall in a little bit more into
the camp of the conservative nature ofgun ownership is listen, you can have your
guns, but it needs to come with a lot morewell, education around education on how
(17:27):
to use it, why to use it, when to use it.
I have no problem withcontinuing education.
You need to do a continuing education tohave a life insurance license or a real
estate license to sell people a house.
You gotta go in and yougotta do this thing.
Yeah, doctor,
Dave (17:41):
accountants,
Jerremy (17:42):
all of it, dude.
Dave (17:43):
education.
Jerremy (17:44):
You got a gun.
Alright, cool.
Every two years.
Go in and check.
You gotta get, a therapist to sign off.
Yeah.
This person's, totally.
Dave (17:51):
are the laws that have changed.
Here's, and to train up enough, it's okay,if you have a concealed carry permit,
it's okay, then you can do one of thosecourses where you are inside and you are
Jerremy (18:00):
me fired up,
Dave (18:01):
And it would be expensive.
And so I'd also wanna make it approachablefor people who can't afford it
because I don't think, affordabilityshould be it's gonna be expensive.
It's going to take time.
It's like getting a master's degree in,in gun and gun ownership and keeping your,
it's not just like your proficiency inshooting the thing, it's the proficiency
in owning it and being a responsible
Jerremy (18:21):
Has nothing.
Dave (18:22):
You need to be a super citizen because you're being
entrusted with a tremendous weapon.
And it's I want you to ownit, but I want you to own it.
And.
Jerremy (18:29):
Yeah.
Dave (18:29):
I'm gonna say right now if you don't, and if you don't
keep up on it, then yeah.
Not your, nobody would come in and seizeyour gun, but then, then you can't sell
guns, you can't buy ammunition, you can'tdo, people are gonna be grumpy with you.
It's yeah you gotta take that, yougotta take your Smith and Wesson down
to your local gun dealer and they'lllock it in a locker for you until
you get certified on it, no big deal.
It will take time.
And I know that, that mightbristle, but I do know that the
(18:51):
responsible gun owners that I knowalready do some version of this.
Jerremy (18:55):
They already do some version of it.
Yeah.
They're going to thegun range often, right?
They're cleaning it,they're doing the firing.
They're checking it, into that aspect,like they are still putting in the time.
Dave (19:04):
Yeah.
Jerremy (19:05):
I wouldn't
Dave (19:05):
Just formalize it.
Yeah.
But just formalize it.
Jerremy (19:08):
process.
It's a formal process.
We're like, Hey, this iswhat you need to do now.
Alex (19:12):
Jerremy backs stricter gun education like pilot checks, mirroring licenses for
cars or jets, while Dave demands ongoingtraining for responsible ownership.
But if rules still miss badactors, how far should balance
go—next, global views weigh in.
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