Immigration Flip: Crisis to $8.9T Opportunity (Full)

Jerremy and Dave just dropped the red pill on immigration. Immigrants aren’t “taking” anything—they’ve pumped $8.9 trillion into GDP while America sits on enough empty land to give every person on the planet acres. The real scandal? Politicians weaponize “illegal” to protect human trafficking rings and cheap labor scams. Turns out the system isn’t broken—it’s working exactly how the powerful want. Fixing it is stupid-simple and way faster than DC admits. This episode will wreck your brain in the best way.

Timestamps:

• (00:00) Immigration – straight into the fire
• (01:01) Introduction and Excitement – why this episode hits different
• (01:58) Personal Perspective Shifts – how Jerremy and Dave changed their own minds
• (03:02) $8.9 Trillion Economic Bomb – the stat no one wants you to see
• (05:05) Real Challenges, Real Fixes – it’s simpler than they say
• (07:09) Political & Legal Mess – who actually benefits from chaos
• (13:04) Job Competition Myths – downturn truth bombs
• (16:10) Abundance Mindset Unlock – land for literally everyone
• (26:59) Settlers vs Immigrants History – we’ve done this before
• (29:35) Cultural Unity – melting pot or salad bowl?
• (31:28) Speed Up Legal Immigration – why it’s embarrassingly easy
• (38:35) What Makes Immigrants Great – raw definition
• (48:16) Patriotism & New Americans – love it or leave it?
• (50:40) Human Trafficking Exposed – “illegal” as the perfect shield
• (54:05) Final Reflections – next topics teased

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Episode Transcript

Alex (00:00):
On this wrap-up of Solving America’s Problems’ longest series yet — Jerremy

(00:04):
and Dave just admitted something wild.
Dave walked in thinking illegalimmigration was the core problem,
deportations were mostly fine,and the whole thing felt like
another messy American headache.

[thoughtful] Then the numbers hit: immigrants have already pumped 8.9 (00:16):
undefined
TRILLION dollars into U.S. GDP — that’sroughly 30% of the entire economy
— while filling jobs nobody else wants.
[exhales sharply] Jerremy droppedan even bigger one: the U.S. has
enough empty land to give everysingle human on Earth multiple
acres and still have room left over.

(00:39):
Both hosts ended up flipped — arguingthe real scandal isn’t people coming,
it’s a broken political class that’sleft four million cases rotting in limbo
for decades and turned “illegal” intoa shield for actual human trafficking.
They closed the series claiming thefix is simpler, faster, and way more
pro-America than anyone’s admitting…

Jerremy (01:00):
Dave, we're bringing the heat.
Oh my goodness.
You know what I'm excited about, man?
Mo.
Tons of things.
One of them being we're over 100episodes in and now we get to discuss
and talk about Immigration Nation.
What did we learn?
Which is so far beeneveryone's favorite, right?
Once we go through something, we deepdive, we have interviews, discussions,

(01:22):
chats, breakthroughs, monumentalawakenings, paradigm shifts, and then we
wrap it all together on what do we learn,and that's where we're at right now.

Dave (01:32):
This has also been our longest series.
Like I have learned all thedifferent topics we've done.
I mean, I've loved everysingle one of them.
And you were like, let's do immigration.
I went like, oh, okay.
How are we gonna approach this?
That's a hot topic.
Let's do it.
And in all the topics,
school shootings and

Jerremy (01:48):
Actually, I think you said, oh, no one's gonna get
offended by anything we discussed,then it's gonna be perfectly fine.

Dave (01:55):
this has been fun.
And I feel changed from it.
So I think this is, what did we learn?
I learned a lot.

Jerremy (02:01):
That's cool.
So for a moment, when yousay you felt change tell me
a little bit more about that.
What does that mean, or howdoes that resonate with you and
Where do you feel that shift?

Dave (02:08):
I think coming into this, I came in with a certain amount of, yeah.
Illegal immigration, bad.
Yeah.
I'm okay with deportations, but you know,how it's happening now is just barbaric.
And immigrants, youknow, is it really good?
You know, like, immigrationvery confused, right?
It's like, uh, immigration is good.

(02:30):
And I was sort of a mixed bag on it.
But also growing up in a very diverse,immigrant rich world, it's like, I
don't have anything against this.
I just saw it as a problem.
Yet another Americanproblem is immigration.
And then really hearing, well,it's a problem of our own
making like so many things.

(02:51):
It's a problem of our politicalclass, and how that's failing us.
It's.
A problem of perceptionmore than anything.
And I came out with a couple ofthings that I think really shifted me,
which was, this is such an economicproblem in so many different ways

(03:12):
and can be solved economically.
When we take the word illegal out ofthis discussion and put in economic
prosperity and drive this through whateverybody's doing, which is they're
coming here, they're working, they'recontributing to society, and let's take

(03:34):
the illegal legal thing out of this.
Let's simplify this.
Let's make this about greatjobs and great families.
English is really important.
That came up so many times.
It almost sounded a little bit, Idon't know if racist is the right word,
it sounded a little bit like Oggie.
But then when you talk to a bunchof immigrants and second and third

(03:55):
generation immigrants, they'relike, oh no, English was clutch.
And America is so good aboutimmigration integration.
Wow.
I'll say that five times.
And the big key thing foreveryone we talked to was like,
oh, English was the thing.
Like my parents, they wouldn't allowus to speak any other language.

(04:19):
And in a way I thoughtabout like, my father.
My father came from the south,and when he moved to Washington
DC he forced his accent out.
And because if you're from thesouth and you have an accent, you're
immediately thought of as stupid.
And I think same, same in this world,which is if you don't have command of the

(04:41):
English language, you're seen as foreign.
Even if you've been here 40 years,you know, even if you've lived here
longer than you have anywhere else, ifyou don't have command of the English
language, then you're seen as, as other,as less than or from somewhere else.
And no matter what you look like,where you come from, what you do, but
if you have command of the Englishlanguage, it's like, oh, welcome.

(05:02):
So that was a couple of things for me.
What was, what are some,some highlights for you?

Jerremy (05:08):
Highlights, number one, having just really good conversations with
people that, number one, really careabout the topic, but also number two,
they have a lot of information about it.
We
had tons of really unique characters inthis go around with different opinions.
We got a nice little fight.
We got left, we got right, we got someexcitement there, which I really enjoyed.

(05:31):
And also we're coming up with just somegeneral Hey, this is what is working.
This is what can work.
This is what should work.
This is a problem.
AKA paperwork, lawyers fees,
lines, and here's some solutions.
And they were pretty fast.
Like we had a lot of really great, let'simplement this as quick as possible.

(05:52):
'cause it really wouldn't be thatchallenging, wouldn't be that hard.
And one of the things I never really sat
down and really looked at orstudied probably would be that how
immigration does drive us economic
growth, right?
Adding 8.9 trillion to the gross domesticproduct and filling vital labor gaps.

(06:13):
I think me just really seeing that froma, how much is the impact maybe, or
for whatever particular reason, I justdidn't notice or know how large it would
be or should be, or could be or was.
And to see a, 8.9 trillion if ourannual gross domestic has called 25,
so we're at 30%.

(06:35):
That's massive.
And then we had a lot of distinctionin different types of immigrants
and learning about their battlesand their choices, right?
We had people that do notlive here, that just work
here, that still can't get citizenshipthat really want to, but they live in the
us.
We have people that don't work hereat all that do wanna come here.

(06:57):
And they have a hard time.
We have people that come here illegallyand then they get a job, somehow get paid
in cash and can't get, become a citizen.
And then we have people that are like,oh, you have a bunch of money come on in.
I think all of our listeners know myultimate objective of this entire podcast
and this entire process is to justreally have a great grasp on not only
the problems, but most importantly thesolutions as I run for President 2032.

(07:19):
And I really believe that thereshould be and could be a more focused
approach on individual governmentsections articles, processes that
do not rely on one sole individual,which to date has been an old white
man dictating how immigration happens.

(07:40):
And that's what's been.
Forever obviously, right?
You have the deporter in chief, theone non-white old man, but still
everything rested on his shouldersand was kicking people out left
and right, and somehow the mediaportrayed him as the coolest guy ever.
Nicest, kindest human beingof all time, which is cool.
That's probably a whole other subject,but that's the thing I learned, man.

(08:02):
I do not believe in my heart of heartsthat the immigration decisions should
rest, which where they do now reallyin the lap of one person, which is the
president, and that just seems like alittle too much immediate divisive power
to
me.

Dave (08:17):
there is a news story that's making the rounds right now, actually,
and it came out of some tragedy herein Florida where I'll just, I'll use
the language of, the news people.
An illegal alien who was drivinga tractor trailer, made an illegal
U-turn and killed three people and

Jerremy (08:41):
And they are

Dave (08:42):
Losing their, losing their
minds.

Jerremy (08:44):
I'm trying to think of a good verb.
Losing their minds.

Dave (08:49):
Guy comes over from I think he's Indian national
uh, quote unquote illegally.
I don't even know how, hecame into the United States.
He got some sort of status underObama and in California he qualified
for a commercial driver's license.
Okay, fine.
And then Trump comes in changes, itputs him on deportation like quick

(09:12):
deportation started that process.
Biden comes in and this guy appliesfor amnesty and is granted it.
Except the deportationlaw was still in place.
And then the Trump administrationcomes back in and says, this

(09:34):
guy couldn't speak English.
We've already changed.
You know, we did an executiveorder on that, on English language.
And he can't even identify, road signs.
So I heard all of this and I went,okay, this actually typifies exactly,
I mean, this is exactly the issue,which is this guy for nine years has,

(09:56):
been wrapped around the axle from oneadministration to the next administration,
to the next administration, to thecurrent administration, four different
administrations, and in nine years.
And this guy has been told.
he got a commercial driver's license,and he killed a bunch of people.
Now, here's the thing, if we took thefact out of this that he was quote
unquote illegal, the real problemhere is the state of California.

(10:20):
Like, who is handing outcommercial driver's licenses?
Somebody you can't drive.
I mean, that's what it gets down to it.
The legal illegal thing is sort ofirrelevant, except it's telling me
that this cannot be with one person.
Like, we need to actually change the laws.
I don't understand any of this.
Right?
Like I, when it gets down to it,our political class has failed us.

(10:46):
My question is why, you know,like when we talk to Melissa.
She was like, look, this is bonkers.
You know, like I'm printing thingsout and they're scanning them in
and I'm faxing, you know, like itwas outta the eighties, and the
laws haven't changed much since 86.
And she said the laws that arethere are basically either special

(11:09):
interest or a patchwork of stuffthat was valid 50 years ago.
But you know, now in the 21stcentury, it makes zero sense.
So it's like, why is it in the bestinterest of our legislature to do nothing?
That's the part where I don't get it.
I dunno, is it the same thing withhealthcare and all the other things
that actually matter to people is like,ah, they're not getting paid to do it.

(11:32):
Nobody's paying our legislatures.
Like they, they don't.
They're not being paid enoughmoney by some weird special
interest to do something.
If this actually had something todo with national security and just
being sponsored by some other country,it'd probably be done in 15 minutes.
Right?

Jerremy (11:46):
It would be, that's exactly correct.
And that could be a solution right there.
Hey, if you would've come here in thiscountry your country needs to pay for it.

Dave (11:57):
All

Jerremy (11:57):
All you need
to do is have a check written by yourcountry and you can come right on
over.
But I think
that's

Dave (12:03):
Let's talk a little bit about the economic stuff.
Like you mentioned trillions of dollars.
I still can't even imaginewhat a trillion dollars is.
It's a lot, and then I also thinkabout how gummed up this process
is 4 million pending court cases.
Is it, what's the phrase?
It's, uh, justice delayed Isjustice denied 4 million cases.

(12:24):
That's ridiculous.
people are going to be in thesesituations for decades, and in the
meantime, they're gonna have families,they're gonna establish themselves,
and then at the end of this process,they're gonna actually show up to
some sort of court case and somebody'sgonna throw 'em outta the country.
I think what I'm, I. Our big, fightthat we had, a lot of it was economic
based, you know, like immigrants aretaking our jobs and we've dispelled

(12:46):
that in fact, one of the things thatwe talked about with Melissa was it's
like, we also need to change the Visaprogram where, yeah, you can get a PhD in
mathematics here, but if you need somebodyto turn a wrench or to sell something
or to start a business, good luck.
They're never gonna get into the country.
I think my question to you is, whathappens when there's an economic

(13:10):
downturn in the United States?
Because there is going to be,like it's not always up, but what
happens when things go down and whenpeople get into a scarcity mindset,
when there is competition forjobs, do you think that will turn.
Even uglier for immigrants,

Jerremy (13:29):
Oh yeah.
I can't have someone say they took ourjobs without thinking about the South
Park episode because they did that
two decades ago.
They took her and they just keptgoing and going and it's really
this fallacy I shouldn't sayit's a fallacy, it's a mindset.
It's a belief.
My opinion, I live more and whatI think is an abundance mindset.

(13:52):
And then you have other people that aregonna live in more of a scarcity mindset.
And the scarcity mindset isthere'll never be enough jobs.
And we have a limited amount and we're
gonna run out.
But the thought process thereis if you study more history and
you talk about the industrialrevolution changes all jobs, right?
Like in the 1890s, 99% ofevery job that existed was

(14:14):
agrarian.
Meaning it had something to do with foodor land, or growing something, right?
It was agricultural based, 99%.
And so now today, it's less
than 1%.
So no one's growing
shit, no one cares, right?
We got seven

(14:35):
farmers on
this

Dave (14:36):
I think one of 'em is Bill Gates, right?
Doesn't he own like a
Yeah.
Tons of

Jerremy (14:41):
Bill Gates is the best farmer, and you're correct.
So less than 1% is agrarian,and now we're all doing
it stuff.
Okay?
So AI comes, immigrants come,all these jobs get displaced,
taken, removed, and changed.
What is the entire world gonna do?
And the answer is we're going to have toadapt to something we always will, right?

(15:03):
Necessity is the mother of invention.
When humans sit around withlike, how do I make money?
And that thought comes inyour mind every single day,
you're gonna come up with ways.
And that's one of the reasonsthat podcasts blew up.
And I would say in the two thousandsfor sure, but definitely 2000
20 like COVID started happening.

(15:23):
Everyone's oh yeah, let's do podcasts.
And I know seven people personally.
I'm one of them that had a podcast duringthat time that exploded because it just
happened to be everyone was listeningto podcasts and the good ones took off.
Alright, that's an example of, hey, let'spick a random person that I know named
Greg was making $8,000 a year start apodcast, and because of podcasting and

(15:46):
three businesses that he could spendmore time, energy, and effort on, took
his income from 80,000 to 300,000.
Now he's employing more people.
He's paying more taxes.
All the things happened, all becauseof podcasting he literally quit his
job as a police officer and startedpodcasting and building a business.
Now he transformed what he did.

(16:08):
Humans will do that.

Alex (16:09):
And this is my abundance mindset, is if a bunch of immigrants come into the us.
They take all of these jobs, eventhe ones that hard fought want
to keep, I wanna keep my job.
And they take from you.
That's 'cause they're better than you.
They thought more,
Practice more, they cared more.

(16:30):
Or they're extremelyless costly than you are.
It's one of those factors, right?
If someone takes your job,it's 'cause you suck at it.
You're not good at it, you produce, oryou're too expensive, meaning you're not
providing enough revenue or decreasingthe cost of whatever job you're enough.
If you're
doing one of those twothings, you'll keep your job.

(16:51):
Alright?
So you get your job taken froman immigrant what do you do?
Just go create another one.
That's what you're gonna do.
Go literally go find another one.
Go find another business.
Go find something tocreate, to build, to make.
That's what Americaningenuity is all about.
And so that's my theory, dude, is Idon't think that's ever gonna happen.
Like in 50, 60, 80 years fromyou robots doing everything,

(17:13):
you have an idealization, and
I'm going on a tangent, I'm sorry.
You have an idealization ofwhat some people would call post
abundance, not post scarcity.
Maybe it's post scarcity,like after everyone's afraid.
You have this world where money is easy.
Yes, inflation is up, but now
20% of the world is millionaires.

(17:34):
Now millionaires can't buy asmuch 'cause inflation's up.
But you still have a lot more moneythan you have now, relatively speaking.
And jobs are faster.
Everyone's creative.
They're doing music, they're doingpodcasts, they're doing radio.
People pay for the gig economy.
This person made me laugh.
Here's 10 bucks.
This person made my day easier.
Here's 10 bucks.
This person cooked thisreally cool meal, here's $10.

(17:56):
And now I have more money because Ihired 17 robots to go out and drive my
Tesla cars and take people everywhere.
And I got paid a certain amount of money.
'cause my Tesla's making memoney 'cause robot's driving it.
And I don't have to paythe robot as much money.
And then, oh, I'm gonna trade thefinancial markets because I have more
money and the financial market's going up.
So now you have more money.
There's a world that existsout there in my opinion.

(18:17):
And that's why I wanna lead this intowhere it's actually easier, it's simpler.
We make more money, we have moremoney, we have more opportunities.
That's for everybody.
And that's an abundance, likethat's an abundance mindset where
that's where the future is going.
there's not enough land in the United
States

Dave (18:30):
Yeah.

Jerremy (18:31):
do anything.
Pick it.
You could have everysingle human being on this.
live in America,

Dave (18:38):
Yeah.

Jerremy (18:39):
everyone gets three acres.
Like now you have tospread out evenly, but
everyone gets three or four acres.
Everyone has a job andwe have plenty of food.
And then every other landhas no one in it, right?
No one exists.
Birds run around, fly around.
There's plenty of land, plenty of animals.
Everything is a natural preserved park.

(18:59):
We have that much roomin the US and then some.
That's a lot of room 8 billionpeople to live in the US no problem.
You have to spread 'em around, okay?
They're gonna be a lot of peoplein Nevada that's not there now.
You have a lot of people in parts ofCalifornia, Kansas, Illinois, Texas,
Idaho, North Dakota, South Dakota, there'sa lot of land out there, man, a lot.

(19:24):
Now granted the government might haveto buy some from some of the private
landholders, but what I'm kidding at is.
Maybe.
I don't think it's a problem.
I think there's so much to go aroundand that's my belief, but I think
mathematically it's provable, right?
That's what's unique is like we canactually prove it, ultimately we
have so much available that not onlycan this country sustain the world,

(19:49):
but so many other countries thatare available can sustain the world.
We can figure it out and if people aretaking all of our jobs in this country
and no one has a job, the jobs thatthey took probably produce enough income
where you could have something becausethe government's taking care of you.
I'm not saying that's gonnahappen, but that happens for
a lot of people right now.
That's the case right now is whenyou and I create income and we pay a

(20:12):
tax, they're taking some of our tax
money to live off on.
I've never in my life, and I'vebeen as poor as you can grow up in
the us, didn't have food stamps orany type of government protection.
I just had to catch fish and eat it.
And if I didn't catch any fish andeat that day I went to bed hungry.
Okay, cool.
Hey good for you.
So for that to occur, I don'tthink that's gonna be a problem.
I think there'll be a pinchin, in the great depression.

(20:36):
25% of
people are unemployed.
Now that sounds like a lot, and

Dave (20:40):
Yes,

Jerremy (20:41):
but that means 75% of
people were employed.
So only a quarter of the people, right?
One out of four were not employed in thegreat Depression, in the worst economic
cycle America has ever seen in 2008.
And you can fact check me onthis, I believe it was only
15% of people were unemployed.

(21:02):
That's still not that bad.
And right now, again, people will, goback and forth on what the numbers are.
I think CPI is extremely high,although they keep saying it's low.
What actually is unemployment right now?
Depending on where you lookat, it's around four to 5%.
So if we have one of the worst economicdownturns in history that comes in

(21:23):
the next two years, which isn't gonnahappen, by the way, I don't think it
happens until 20 29, 20 30 is we'll getup to probably 20%, 25% unemployment.
And all the jobs that getlost, people can't afford them.
And then, yeah, immigrants mighttake them and they're gonna
work harder, longer for less.

(21:45):
And if you want a job, you'regonna have to figure out a way to
create more income, reduce moreexpenses, and be a better employee.
And I think that ultimately is thelesson for every single listener here.
And I think that's justthe truth of all business.

Dave (21:56):
You know what I'm hearing is that, a lot of our political class,
a lot of the people who are in chargeof this right now, and a lot of people
who are debating it haven't had A bunchof different episodes exploring this.
Like we have over the last few weeksto really dig into this from a bunch
of different angles that they'llsay, we can't do this, or we won't

(22:18):
do this, or don't do this becauseof fear and uncertainty and doubt.
And you're saying, Hey, let'sflip this frown upside down.
Yeah, there's always goingto be edge cases, but let's
not manage to the edge cases.
Let's not manage to thefear, let's not manage it.
Like how do we turn this, can't,won't, and don't to can, will

(22:39):
and do and doing something is waybetter than where we are right now.
Which is a system thatis fundamentally broken.
I mean, we got onto a tangentearly on on this, which was.
Like people are coming here foreconomic prosperity and that just,
that makes people crazy and it makespeople delighted at the same time.

(23:01):
That was our big debate that we had.
And you know, part of that is, isthat we've had a foreign policy that
has had the American boot on the neckof so many countries for decades.
That man, how about we makethose countries great again?
You know, like, I dunno aboutyou, but uh, like I don't think
people want to leave their homes.

(23:23):
They're being pushed to leavetheir homes for some reason.
They might be pulled here for a fewreasons, but they're leaving for a reason.
But if they didn't have toleave, people do wanna stay home.
They wanna be in Venezuela orCuba or Europe or wherever, right?
They're coming to Americafor certain reasons.
Maybe it's because of our freedom,which like, yeah, there's a lot of

(23:46):
countries where you can't be free.
Maybe, uh, it's because of economicsand like, yeah, we can do that.
We can help other countries do that.
So part of that is being the model.
Again, part of that is, is stopscrewing around with other countries.
Some of that is, uh, being admired.
Again, I don't thinkAmerica's very admired.
But I, that was I think our bigdebate, with David and Steven, which

(24:10):
is that, you know, fundamentally, uh,you know, like David was in that world
of, you know, really looking at, well,it's legal versus illegal, right?
And we need to have more legal pathways.
And Steven was like, Hey, this is alleconomics and there are no legal pathways,

Jerremy (24:30):
correct.
And it's 12 on a statement I madeearlier, 2.26 billion acres in the us.
So if you have 9 billion people, that'sabout a quarter of an acre per person.
So not three acres.
But saying that to say, yeah, if wehave that type of room, we have that
type of awareness, we have that typeof understanding, we have that type of
size because that's just a math fact.

(24:53):
If people come over, theywant economic prosperity.
We do have that in this country.
We have established and weare young enough and we have
enough size and resources.
One of the best books that I'veever read that you told me to read
was Accidental Superpower.
And as I was listening to this, I'm like,this is just such a fascinating topic.

(25:13):
Like we have so much

Dave (25:15):
It's

Jerremy (25:15):
in the US as
far as resources go, just amassive everything in droves.
So as I think about this, I'mover here listening to this book
yeah, I think we have plenty.
So to your point, man, when people comeover here, they really do want to come
because they are going to have so much

Dave (25:35):
Oh

Jerremy (25:36):
And I fully believe in the more begets more, is it more income?
Is it more money?
Is it more opportunity?
Is it more to focus on the negative?
Is it more drugs?
Is it more murders?
Sure.
With more people you have more, withmore of anything, you're gonna have more.
So you just need to have some ultimateway to Yes of course, protect.

(25:57):
We had our entire discussion on police and
police reform, but I still think,man, when you start talking
about, oh, everyone's bad that'scoming into this border, like
that's just such an Erroneouslyincorrect statement, like you take
a hundred people off the streetmathematically, it's like 1%
or less are the negatives.

(26:18):
It's the people that really wanna doharm, that wanna hurt other people that
just aren't quote unquote, what mostpeople would consider a great person.
It's less than 1%.
And for immigrants, it'sthe exact same thing.
It's such a small number that arenot bringing greatness over here.
Most people want greatness.
And again of course, justmy opinion, my beliefs.
But that particular episode wasreally fun and fiery and exciting

(26:42):
because David and Steve, like theywere just to total polar opposites
on the spectrum of the belief system.
And that's good because from bothof those perspectives, I got a lot,
I got actually re-fired up about.
We should
have a lot of immigrants come in here.
Like even though the US wasn't foundedby immigrants, I actually said that
a couple times in a couple episodes.

(27:03):
I mistakenly apologize for that.
It was founded by settlers.
And those are, that's a

Dave (27:07):
Ooh, tell me what, tell me.
I want to, I wanna learn this.
What's a settler?

Jerremy (27:12):
so a settler is, I
don't wanna live here anymore.
I'm choosing to go somewhereelse and we're gonna go somewhere
that most likely doesn't havea lot of civilization and we're
gonna go build our life there.
Versus I know this placeexists and they're amazing.
I'm gonna infiltrate thatplace and try to live there.

(27:33):
That's already
built.
Infiltrate
using the word loosely.

Dave (27:36):
Settlers.

Jerremy (27:37):
Yeah.
And so settlers is Hey listen, ifyou are there and we don't like
you, we're probably gonna murder
you.

Dave (27:45):
God.

Jerremy (27:46):
Dude, that is a
distinction, Dave, thatso many people love to
just gloss
over
Vikings

Dave (27:52):
here to murder the people who are

Jerremy (27:54):
And they, we called them Native Americans and they're like
we're settling thisland and it's not yours.
'cause we say, so we have guns andyou don't, sorry, it's now ours.
The 11th president, that's what James Polk
did, right?
to take California, Oregon,Washington from the Britains.
Man, it was just fascinating.
so there's a difference.

(28:14):
Immigrants are,
your country's better than ours
and I wanna come live here.
A settler is,
I kinda like my country, but there'ssomething better and I will fight
for it if I have to create my vision.
Small distinction and I think
Actually
probably
better.
'Cause there's not a lot ofnew countries being settled,

(28:34):
present day.
All right.
So on that topic, if we create thedistinction of, all right, immigrants
are incredible, Steve, in that exactepisode, kind re-lit my fire of yeah.
America was,
Talk
about small

Dave (28:52):
Yeah.

Jerremy (28:53):
and young it, we are 250 years old,
barely.
And to think about how far this countryhas come in 300 years, let's just call
it 300 years for easy numbers compared toany nation that's ever happened before,
that was a superpower is remarkable.

(29:15):
Speed.
Remarkable.
And we only did that because webrought in people to this nation and
those people did absolutely help build
this country.
And those were the vast majority,
they were
immigrants.

Dave (29:33):
yeah.

Jerremy (29:35):
That thought process brought me to the conversation that we had with
Audrey and Jerry because Audrey andJerry, they were, second generation
or first generation, and their parentscame here for one reason, mostly was to.
Work to create jobs to create forthemselves and had their kids here and

(30:00):
really wanted to build a family and wantedto build power and legacy and impact.
And they were able to do that.
And for me to just think throughusing that conversation, using that
discussion, using the terminologiesthat both Audrey and Jerry were able to
dictate and enunciate on the power ofthat cultural identity saying, I have

(30:27):
this, we have this, but we are together.
And to create some level of unison unityand having the remarkable capability
and capacity to take that unity andfrom that build, from that scale, from
that to create a melting pot of hey.
You have this exact same situationthat I had, you went through

(30:47):
this exactly like I'm going,through it Let's help each other.
And it was in that episode where Istarted putting the pieces together.
Okay, I think we could that coulddefinitely be a alright, if you
wanna come into this country goget a job, I'm fine with that.
probably gonna be a job thatAmerican doesn't want anyway.
And there's gonna be plenty of them.
Go get a really cool job.
And when you come here, connectwith a group of individuals who've

(31:11):
already been here before and letthem guide you, let them pull you.
And that's just a requirement.
This is a terrible example, but thinkabout like a parole officer, right?
Parole officer has Hey, here's thesethings that you have to do to return as
a returning citizen to the communities.
Okay, if you're an immigrantinto this country and you.
Check mark.
You go through the AI adopted software,automated system and process where we

(31:33):
can take 95% of these core cases andspeed 'em up to days or weeks versus
decades.
And now, once they get that bigcheck mark, they go get a job
and they're required to attend.
Dude, I don't know, whatever.
Community meetings,let's have discussions.
Let's do this together.
Let's build each other up together.
Let's remember why we're all here.

(31:55):
We came to this countryto yes, have our heritage.
And this was a big one that Audrey just,I love how she stated this, but it was
like, yeah, we came from somewhere else.
Absolutely.
And we still have that as our heritage.
We saw that as our background.
But I'm an American.
I'm here now
and we're gonna pour into it andwe're gonna celebrate our past.

(32:15):
We're gonna celebrate where we came from.
It's gonna be remarkable.
It's gonna be incredible.
It's gonna be an accomplishment.
It's gonna be a feat.
But we're Americans and we're in thiscountry for a reason and we're gonna build
and we're gonna help other people build.
And that just got me all excited.

Dave (32:27):
Yeah.
We touched on that a little bitwith Svetlana and Olga too, right?
I think Olga mentioned, yeah, you, youtend to find your communities, right?
Particularly in, in cities.
You find your people.
I like the idea of.
People helping people,communities helping out.
But didn't they also say thereare so many different programs and
so many things that are alreadyavailable and it's, I don't know.

(32:51):
I remember Olga looking, sounding a littleslant eyed at that, meaning that, yeah,
but you gotta get rid of all of the scamsand all of the people taking advantage
of, of, uh, of immigrants or peoplewho are going through this gauntlet.
And I think the phrase was, um,a marathon through a minefield.

(33:13):
You know?
So what would it accomplish?
because we also heard aboutthe crab potting too, right?
So what would you envision, say asecond gen helping, a first gen doing?
Is that what you're saying, right?
It's ah,

Jerremy (33:27):
Yeah.
I think Exactly.
I'd

Dave (33:29):
we

Jerremy (33:29):
have that be

Dave (33:29):
a you need to have an advisor here.

Jerremy (33:31):
Exactly,

Dave (33:32):
A
mentor.

Jerremy (33:34):
Americans do that.
If you're born here,
You have advisors.
Those advisors are
generally called

Dave (33:39):
Yeah,

Jerremy (33:40):
Mentors.
What it does is it speeds up the processso that if you have a marathon through
a minefield, you know where to run.
Don't put your foot there.
Avoid this big
iron metal, shiny thing.
I think that too is it's justa way to speed the process.
Solana said, let's remove the story ofalways having to be hard and having this

(34:06):
link and this beauty attached to hardship,because it doesn't have to be that way.
These things can be easier, and if they'reeasier, we'll create our own hard, right?
That hard will be made.
I love that people have to work diligentlyand put a lot of effort into build
something to scale something for that, toreally have a value associated with it.

(34:28):
And yes, that'll never go away, but ifyou have a mentor, a second generation
appealing to a first generationthat says, here's what to avoid.
Here's how to speed things up.
Here's how to get a great job.
Here's where you could pay taxes.
Here's where you can do this.
Avoid this, don't do this.
Do this.
Now that person can avoida lot of the hardships, and
they'll have their own hardship.
And their hardship might be, Ihave to work more because I, now,

(34:52):
I bought two houses and I live inone and I rent out the other one.
But there are some hardships that comewith owning two houses, and that hardship
is just as unique and individualistic assomeone who has no house and has to rent
and have to pay their money for rent.
It's just a hardship.

(35:13):
We're all gonna have our own hardshipsbecause human beings, in my almost
personal definition, are spiritual beingsthat want to create a physical experience.
And so we're going to createhard things for ourselves.
Naturally, it doesn't matter how easylife is, we will find things to make hard

(35:33):
because we want to experience that hard.
So let's make it as easy as possiblebecause the faster it is, the easier
it is, the quicker our immigrants loveto learn the country, love to learn the
processes, fall in love with the people.
I think it would create a,they're no longer, less than.
I think that was one of the veryfirst things you talked about.
Davis was like, Hey, this isno longer a we versus them.

(35:55):
It's kinda like an us.
It's oh, cool, you're an immigrant.
Awesome.
You should connect with this group,this person, this individual,
and this is what you should do.
Because that's, everyone knowsthat's what we do now, right?
We just have this protocol towelcome people 'cause we don't
have this disdain for, you do haveto be technically non-approved to

(36:17):
start getting here at some point.
There is a process of.
Not approved to approved.
What does that window look like?
Let's short it, make it as easyand quick and efficient and scaled
down as possible so that we canfigure it out and we can continue to
become the world's greatest country.
'cause that's what put us here.
And what got us here will continueto get us where we want to go to a

(36:40):
certain level, to a certain degree,

Dave (36:41):
Immigration, and let's just extend that to becoming a
citizen in the United States.
Should that be easy orshould that be hard?

Jerremy (36:51):
I think it should be easier than
it is now.
But here's my thoughts though.
Yes, it can be easy, but easycan have very specific outlines.
Finishing a marathon is pretty easy, Dave.
You go 26.2 miles.

Dave (37:05):
I'm

Jerremy (37:06):
a lot
easier

Dave (37:07):
I, like that analogy.
That's great.

Jerremy (37:09):
It's like it's a
lot

Dave (37:11):
the

Jerremy (37:11):
easier.
Yeah, that's the thing.
It's like we could still havethese, you gotta do, okay, this is
maybe a tangent again, but imagineif I said, in order to be an
immigrant, legally, all you have to do iscome over to America, do 25 pushups, 25
pull-ups, and run a seven sub minute mile.

(37:31):
That was it.
That's all you have to do.
And then boom, big check mark.
That is easy for a
lot of people, those threethings, and it's not easy
for a lot of people as well, butif you have a very clear standard
that's, Hey, this is what it is.
But that standard for themajority of individuals is still
something that is a fun challenge.

(37:55):
I'm all for that.
Then it just gives someone like,Hey, this is a really easy process.
We have to do these three things.
But those three things are not inherently

Dave (38:03):
Yeah.

Jerremy (38:03):
ultimately that easy.
Running a marathon likeit is, you just gotta go.
26.2 miles was like, okay.
But it's actually hard to do it though.
And I think that to me isvery fun and very realistic.
It's create some type of pathway is like,Hey, here's all the things you gotta do.
And here it is, we'll just put iton a piece of paper and we'll put it
on street posts across the country.
These are only 10 things yougotta do to be here legally.

(38:25):
And they're easy, but they'rea lot easier not to do.
And if it is known enough thateveryone's aware of what it
is, I think we can all kind of
champion
that

Dave (38:35):
I wanna talk a little bit about who should immigrate?
Who are we welcominginto the United States?
because I think this comes up in a lotof our conversations the last few weeks.
Who?
And like when we talk to Melissa,you know, her world is very
much about STEM businesses.

(38:56):
Like, these are developers, theseare scientists, these are people
who are good at math and thesecompanies, they need, the scientists
in order to do what they need to do.
So the companies are willing toput up the money, put up the time,
energy in order to get those folks.
And we learned all about that whenMelissa, but then we also heard, well,

(39:17):
yeah, if you're a world class salesguy, sales salesperson yeah, good luck.
Or if you're an incredible entrepreneurfrom anywhere in the world, you're
not being treated special, right?
Even if best salespersonhappens to be Mexican, forget
it, they're stuck in Mexico.
And then you get people who immigrateor are pushed into situations that are.

(39:42):
Kind of weird, you know, whetherit's having to basically get forced
into a marriage in order to stay,or, vacationing in the United States
when you're nine months pregnant sothat your child can be born here.
You know, I think we also sort of indexto smart people and college graduates when
we need people who can, twist a wrench.

(40:06):
And, you know, we need build people tobuild our builds and the incredible skill
and intelligence necessary in order to,build anything in the United States.
None of that comes with a college degree.
And there aren't sadly, a lot ofAmericans who even want those jobs.
And you know, those skilledpeople are immigrants.

(40:29):
And I don't know about you.
I know a lot of smart people.
I have worked with a lot of smart peoplein highly technical positions, some of
them immigrants, and they, they are,we don't test for psychopaths, right?
You know, like if you are a crazyson of a bitch, but you happen to
have an advanced degree in something,you're welcome to the United States.
But if you are a world classpoet from someplace else,

(40:53):
good luck getting in the door.
So I think we overindex for certain thingsand we say, oh, those must be good people.
And we completely under index forthings that we actually need and tie
it to jobs and like, okay, so whoshould be coming to, the United States?

Jerremy (41:09):
Well, let me answer your question by
asking you a question.
How would you define great,because that's my answer.
My answer would be, let's get great people
into this nation.
If you're gonna immigrate inhere, I want you to be great.
I don't want you to be a scum human being.
There are scum, human beings.
I haven't met a lot myself 'causethat's just 'cause I have my perception

(41:31):
and the people I surround myselfwith, but I want great people.
So how would you definea great individual?

Dave (41:39):
It's shown over and over again that the people who are happy, the people
who on their deathbed say I did it.
Well, those people.
Over index for things like compassion.
They're social, they're curious,they have a bit of a intelligence

(42:05):
about them, and they really care.
And with those qualities, they succeedand the people around them succeed.
They tend to be a bit more familyoriented community oriented.
And those are the people who are notonly the happiest, they live the longest.

(42:27):
And that is success morethan anything else for me.
So bringing in a job producer thathas hundreds of millions of dollars
but is a crazy son of a bitch wholays waste to everything around them.
Is worth very little to me thansomebody who has those other

(42:49):
qualities that I talked about.
The kindness, the compassion the socialaspects, because they bring more, like
the people around them are productive.
They are the job creators.
They are creating businesses,they are creating community.
They are actually bringingmore to the United States.
So I think that greatness is aboutthose soft skills and those soft

(43:11):
skills where you look at that personand you're like, I admire that person.
I see this in you all the time.
It's like, I admire you as a personbecause you have those qualities
and great things happen aroundyou because of those qualities.
It's not because you're the smartest orthe richest or the craftiest or the one
who's willing to do whatever it takes.

(43:31):
You have the qualities that underpinall of that that are more important.
So that's what I think is.

Jerremy (43:36):
Thanks man.
So you're saying I'd be a good immigrant

Dave (43:38):
What did you, what was the country?
What was the country you chose?
Was it wasn't Grenada?
Aruba.
Aruba?
Yeah.
Aruba will be lucky to have you.

Jerremy (43:46):
Thanks man.
You, but to your point,I like that answer.
Meaning.
Imagine if it was as simple as we tooksomeone who had a lot of wisdom, insight,
experience, call them someone that was,let's just say you're 70 years old.

(44:06):
'Cause that's way tooold to be the president.
And you say to yourself, okay, sinceyou're 70 and you have all this wisdom
and age and experience and talent, let'sput you on the front lines of hire.
Going through an interview processfour hours a day for 80 minutes
per person to interview immigrants,people who wanna come to this nation.
And you have this list of questions.

(44:28):
And at the end, you've got the job, didn'tget the job you have these people that
are trained and talented and awesomeand have care and compassion and can
actually listen to stories and judgeI think this person's a great person.
'Cause they have those certain qualities.
That's what a hiring manager at a job.
Of almost any company, theyhave to talk to people crazy.

(44:52):
Like we have to actually learn whothis individual is because I do think
there are some characteristics, whatI said earlier about the physicality
of becoming an immigrant, was both alittle bit of a hyperbole, but at the
same time would be an actual legitimateaspect of an interview process of are
you healthy or are you gonna come to theUS and be a ginormous burden physically?

(45:18):
we don't need any moreobese people in America.
We had a health podcastdiscussion already, podcast,
and over 30% of the US is obese.
So there are Okay.
Certain levels there that's important.
Physicality, like mentally,spiritually, emotionally.
How do you relate to people?
What is your general charisma,kindness, thought process.

(45:39):
Do you smile?
Do you like other human beings?
Do you provide good energy?
Are you nice?
Do you understand the complexitiesof human interaction, like shaking
hands and smiling and giving me eyecontact and being a great human being?
I think there's plenty of peoplethat would mind taking that
job or that volunteer position,because that's really the answer.
It can be that easy.
Let me interview and pass or fail.

(46:02):
Do you smell terribly?
Are you just unkempt andmean, and angry and terrible?
It's okay, if that person's a genius
and they're gonna invent the nextincredible invention, let 'em do it in
their home country, because we probably,as US citizens, don't necessarily want a

(46:24):
lot more horrifically, angry, frustrated,terrible people that are running things.
I just think that ultimately, it should be
easy or it should still be somethingwhere there is a level of component.
And if someone takes the time, energy,and diligence to, I think you mentioned

(46:47):
be an incredible world renowned poetand they came to a job interview and
they said, what's your number one skill?
Or like why would you be here?
What value do you provide to thiscountry, company in this example?
And they just recited for 17minutes this beautiful poem.
Are they gonna get hired?
Probably like that's gonna berelatively impressive to somebody.

(47:11):
And if it's not at that exact job,maybe that person who's hiring
is oh wow, you're not fit for thefront desk at human resources.
Like you need to be the copywriter.
You need to be in the languagedepartment for this company.
And so I think that ultimately islike, yeah, everyone doesn't have to
fit into for everything, of course.

(47:32):
But for the people, whoshould be in this country,
great people.
That's who should be here.
People that are gonna add incrediblevalue, who are gonna do great things,
who are gonna care, who are gonnabe kind, who can be compassionate,
who are gonna do their best to bean amazing, loyal, caring citizen.
And if the time comes, ifit ever needed to happen,

(47:53):
Got invaded,
would you fight for it?
And I think that's a realizationthat, listen, I know some people
will or will not because of somereason or rationale, but most people
who would consider themselves anAmerican would go, yeah, if it, I'm
not saying put me on the front line.
I'm saying if this country gotinvaded and we had to, would

Dave (48:15):
How beautiful was that when Olga said, like she knew she was an
American when, at nine 11, she waslike, I would die for this country.
And I'm like, oh myGod, I just got chills.

Jerremy (48:26):
Man.
Me too, dude.
That's patriotism.
And you know what frustrates me?
I'm a rampage tyrant today.
This I feel, and maybe this ismy newsfeed, maybe it's my media,
I'm not sure, but people demonizepatriotism and because they think it's
one

Dave (48:42):
Who's doing that?
That's ugh.

Jerremy (48:44):
and they go, only hard-nosed Republicans can be patriotic.
No, exactly.
I agree.
I'm like, what?
We're like, what?
What are you talking about?
And I think if someone wears aginormous American flag shirt and
American flag pants, I did three orfour polls on this on my Twitter.

(49:06):
The majority of people say, or at leastthe people that voted for it, right?
They say that they would viewthat person as a Republican first.
There's that flag, baby.
There's that flag.
And so it's just man, I don't think thatneeds to be the case, nor should it be.
It's like being a patriot ofthis country just simply says,
you know exactly where you live.

(49:26):
You know exactly why you live here.
As much as I love Aruba and I wouldimmigrate there, I ain't got a rubian flag
anywhere in my house that welive here and left, right middle
center, far either direction.
Be an amazing human being, be anamazing citizen, be an incredible
advocate for this country.

(49:46):
That is what makes patriotismin any country exciting.
And we all should have a degreeof that, and that needs to
certainly be a very important
component

Dave (49:55):
Yeah.
whoever is demonizing patriotism.
I think that got wrapped up in thehole, woke in the last few years.
That is a dying thing.
I have definitely seen a lot moreleadership on the left side saying,
Hey, no, patriotism is amazing.
I spend some time in Turkey andeverybody has a Turkish flag.

(50:16):
They're wearing Turkish,shirts and it's a cool flag.
people just love it andthey're proud to be Turkish.
it's infectious.
we did lose that, but
I don't think it was real, I think it wasjust something else to make people crazy.
I think it was right coded fora while, but so was working out,

Jerremy (50:33):
valid.

Dave (50:35):
it was like, oh, must be a Republican.
No.
Yeah.
It's no.

Jerremy (50:39):
Yeah.

Dave (50:40):
I don't know how we landed on this side of it, but I still have this.
When we label somebody illegaland when we have illegal ness
as far as this immigration thinggoes, we create another class.
We create effectively like economicslave labor that have, no protections

(51:03):
that can be manipulated by fear.
And we also create, as far as anybody ismeasuring the largest human trafficking,
anything on the planet that is onlymaking some of the worst people on
the planet, filthy rich, and leavingpeople in these uncertain situations

(51:30):
or in, human trafficking situations.
Drugs and prostitution, like the worstthings in the United States are tied
around this economy of human trafficking.
I don't know, man that's gotta,all of that's gotta stop.
You know, like all of it, we haveto make it so it is economically

(51:51):
not viable at all to traffic anotherhuman being into the United States.
Have them work here for nothing, have themwork in prostitution or like, all of it,
It's just, it's gottastop, like all of it.
Alright, that was my rant.
I don't know.

Jerremy (52:09):
Oh yeah.
No, I love, I love your

Dave (52:10):
did we say, oh, this is how, like I, Melissa changed me completely
to be like, ah, let's not focus on theillegal at all and let's focus on all
the business and economic prosperityand making sure that people can come
here and work safely and legally.
Wouldn't that get rid of theillegal aspect of this completely

Jerremy (52:30):
Yeah.

Dave (52:31):
temporary work visas

Jerremy (52:33):
And I think if we spend more time, energy, and focus on that portion
of it to your realization that I thinkmost people will not have listened
to Dave, is that where they're like,they don't even think about, oh wow.
Companies can traffic
humans from different organizations,from different countries.

(52:54):
They're here legally, and thenwe induce them into slave labor.

Dave (52:59):
Yeah.

Jerremy (52:59):
For a
long time like that happensway more often than it should.
And that should be anincredibly horrific fine.
And I say fine, like penalty, right?
You're going to prison for a verylong time if you're getting caught
and doing something like that.
'cause it's a human life.
And I think the more we just realizeto your aspect of having the ability

(53:24):
to work and then doing it legallyversus illegally and piecing all the
past work together, that is keep peoplesafe, make it, like you said, non
economically viable for that to happen.
For anything to even be createdillegally with illegal labor, slave
labor, traffic, labor, all thatshould be really looked down upon.

(53:46):
And that is absolutelysomething that's just not.
Really openly talked about at anyhigh level of American government,
and I don't necessarily think thatthis is the time to theorize as to why
that is, but that is something that'sreally very un openly talked about.

Dave (54:01):
Boo

Jerremy (54:01):
Yeah.
Big boo.
I agree.
But I like how you said that Melissa
changed you, meaning I think both ofus had some fun tweaks and adjustments
and this whole evolution of thispodcast, because that's the reason
that we're doing this for so long.
I want our listeners to know thatis I personally need to learn more

(54:22):
and spend more time and energyto just really uncover topics so
that I can have not my media fed.
Boilerplate closed perspectives thatjust got fed to me that I never explored.
But to hear different opinions, heardifferent points, look back at them.

(54:44):
Dave does an incredible job at takingAI to distill a lot of information
and to piece a lot of this informationtogether and really show us what
we're talking about visually andlyrically, and literally put it on a
page so that we can understand whatwe discuss, how we discussed, at what
points were made, why they were made,and what we're gonna do about it.

(55:05):
And I think that's really cool that thisentire series did give us tweaks for sure.
Both of us adjustments on,Hey, think about this way.
Consider not only thatopinion, but this opinion.
And every single person that weinterviewed and discussed just really gave
us a new, fresh perspective on the tinyadjustments that we can not only make now,

Dave (55:26):
It's a, through this series I knew coming into this, it would
be very, it's a hot topic, right?
And at the end of this series, you know,like all of that energy is out of me.
And is very, very frustrated with thepolitical class where it should be, right?

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Like that's the responsibility of the,is at the people who have abdicated
doing anything about this for 50 years.
And Americans not really paying attentionto it or being, you know, made crazy
about, well, it's illegal immigrantsand they are taken away from you.
Like, that's a, a dividing line.

(56:07):
I'll give you some inside baseball here.
I actually should pro I, I'll runthis by her, but Melissa's episode
for all of our listeners here.
For everybody we interview we sendout early, early cuts to anybody we
interview and we're like, Hey, here it is.
Great interview.
You know, like, if you need anychanges or updates, just let us know.

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And by and large, it comes backwith a thumbs up and out it goes.
Other than like a CEO that comesback and says, Hey, you know, I
dropped like way too many F-bombs.
Can you cut out like 10% of my F-bombs?
I'm like, yeah, sure, no problem.
And then other than that we do, lightediting to make sure it sounds okay.
But you know, like it's extremely rare.

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But with Melissa's episode, shecame back, you know, remember
she's an immigration attorney.
She came back and she said, Hey, this,you know, this one section is, um.
She was like, you know, like, you knowwhat I said was technically correct, and
in the context of what you and I weretalking about, it was perfectly fine.

(57:15):
And I think 99.99% of everybodythat listens to it would've been
like, okay, yeah, no problem.
Yeah, that makes sense.
But you know, the 0.99% thatis angry about this is going
to get angrier by this answer.
And she was like, yeah, couldyou do me a favor and like

(57:37):
clip this And it wasn't much.
We're talking 10 seconds, right?
And we actually answered the question.
I just took out, you know, a fewsentences and then I had to take a
little bit extra out because you sounded
stupid.

Jerremy (57:51):
It was like literally
two

Dave (57:53):
and it was totally innocuous.
I don't think she would mind me sayingit was really around our discussion of
businesses firing Americans, but openingup a bunch of visas, To hire foreigners.
And what we learned therewell that's not the case.

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Like these companies actually are big andwhere they're hiring and where they're
firing are in totally different areas.
And mind you, businesses have tospend a lot of money on this process.
Often the immigrant is actually beingpaid more than the American because
of this stupid table that the USgovernment puts together on, salaries.

(58:38):
And the companies come back and it'slike, I cannot pay, an immigrant,
a hundred thousand dollars extrathan my American counterpart.
She goes, well, that's what it is.
And it was in that world, right?
And we were talking about it, thethree of us were like, we get it.
But there just a couple ofsentences in there that were like,
oh, that could piss somebody off.
And she was like, Nope.

(58:58):
Out.
And I'm like, no problem.
And that comes back to, I thinkpeople listening to this whole
arc of us, I'm hoping that the onething that they take from it is
that this is not an angry issue.
This is not an us versus them.
This is about America.
You wanna be angry at somebody, whoeveryou voted for, be angry at them because

(59:19):
they have abdicated all of this.
That's what I want people to be angry at.

Jerremy (59:24):
I like that ultimately it's gonna be a policy situation
and who you voted for or evenbetter, who you did not vote for.
Be angry at somebody in thisenvironment that actually has the
ability to create that change.
And not only be angry, butgive 'em some solutions.
And those solutions can be comingon podcasts just like this one.

(59:46):
Having open conversations,give ideas, right?
Come up and sit downwith what should we do?
Why could we do it?
Where could we do it?
How could we do it?
Make adjustments, make tweaks,make alterations, give thoughts to
really creating integral changes.
That's.
I feel we did a great job at, during thisduring this briefing, during this entire

(01:00:07):
series, is just having a way to createpotentially policy centric reframing,
Making systematic or systemic fixes andtweaks and adjustments that allow for some
radical changes in the Immigration Nation.

(01:00:29):
Yeah.
Dave,
What are we talking about
next?
What's on the docket for our
listeners?

Dave (01:00:35):
voting, voting,

Jerremy (01:00:37):
what do you mean voting,
We gotta vote.
Like how
can we possibly
talk

Dave (01:00:39):
solving America's problems is voting.
This can go like a lotof different directions.
There's so
much.

Jerremy (01:00:49):
tons.
You got my tweet, right?
I I, yeah,

Dave (01:00:52):
I think

Jerremy (01:00:54):
I did send him a voice memo.
I'm like, Hey man, canyou come on my show?
So we'll see if it's a yes or no, butfor our listeners there was someone
who was very political, who talkedabout, we, how they should update or
how we could update the voting process.
And dude got so much hate mail forjust wanting the idea, the simple
thought that we should make votingeasier and people are hating on this.

(01:01:15):
And that just blew me away.
A pretty intricate stance
on voting.
So I want every single one of ourlisteners to tune in very closely into
our next series, because I can assure youthis will be one of my most passionate
topics

Dave (01:01:31):
that.
That's incredible.
I. I'm totally stoked about this one.
I'm putting togetherthe research on it now.
You know, like we start allof these with a research and
I'm like, man, it's bonkers.
Voting is bonkers.
I think we did it again my friend.
It's also a little Easter egg inthe show notes for Olga and Vena.

(01:01:52):
So I'm gonna prompt our listenersto look at the show notes.
There is something veryspecial hidden in there.
I'll give you a little hint.
Olga talked about an amazing cookie.
There might be a little recipesnuck into the show notes for

Jerremy (01:02:11):
Easter Egg, if you like
cookies.

Dave (01:02:12):
Much better than whatever the.
Mayonnaise drenched stuffyou were talking about.
Ugh.
But yes, next up onsolving America's problems.
Probably fewer cookies,but a lot more on voting.
Alright my friend.
Wrap us up.

Jerremy (01:02:29):
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