September 2, 2025 • 22 mins
What if America isn’t full, but underperforming? Jerremy’s math shows the U.S. could house 8 billion people with land to spare, and history proves the economy adapts. From the Great Depression’s 25% unemployment to the 2008 crash’s 15%, downturns didn’t break the system—they reshaped it. Layered on top: how U.S. foreign policy pressures fuel migration, and why abundance, not fear, defines the country’s potential. Settlers vs. immigrants, mentorship, and generational resilience round out this sharp reframe of what’s possible.
Timestamps:
(00:00) The Math of Abundance: Why Scarcity Is a Myth
(11:01) Settlers vs. Immigrants—Who Really Built America?
(13:37) Unity Through Diversity: Communities That Work
(15:31) Bureaucracy vs. Speed: Fixing the Process
(15:50) Heritage and Identity in the New America
(16:30) Mentorship and Generational Strength in Action
📢 Solving America’s Problems Podcast – Real Solutions For Real Issues
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Alex (00:00):
What if America’s limits are just a myth?
Jerremy’s math proves we could welcomethe world, while a fresh take on settlers
versus immigrants rewrites our history—andmentorship paves the way forward.
this is my abundance mindset, is if abunch of immigrants come into the us.
They take all of these jobs, eventhe ones that hard fought want
(00:23):
to keep, I wanna keep my job.
And they take from you.
That's 'cause they're better than you.
They thought more,
Practice more, they cared more.
Or they're extremelyless costly than you are.
It's one of those factors, right?
If someone takes your job,it's 'cause you suck at it.
You're not good at it, you produce, oryou're too expensive, meaning you're not
(00:45):
providing enough revenue or decreasingthe cost of whatever job you're enough.
If you're
doing one of those twothings, you'll keep your job.
Alright?
So you get your job taken froman immigrant what do you do?
Just go create another one.
That's what you're gonna do.
Go literally go find another one.
Go find another business.
Go find something tocreate, to build, to make.
(01:06):
That's what Americaningenuity is all about.
And so that's my theory, dude, is Idon't think that's ever gonna happen.
Like in 50, 60, 80 years fromyou robots doing everything,
you have an idealization, and
I'm going on a tangent, I'm sorry.
You have an idealization ofwhat some people would call post
abundance, not post scarcity.
(01:26):
Maybe it's post scarcity,like after everyone's afraid.
You have this world where money is easy.
Yes, inflation is up, but now
20% of the world is millionaires.
Now millionaires can't buy asmuch 'cause inflation's up.
But you still have a lot more moneythan you have now, relatively speaking.
And jobs are faster.
Everyone's creative.
(01:47):
They're doing music, they're doingpodcasts, they're doing radio.
People pay for the gig economy.
This person made me laugh.
Here's 10 bucks.
This person made my day easier.
Here's 10 bucks.
This person cooked thisreally cool meal, here's $10.
And now I have more money because Ihired 17 robots to go out and drive my
Tesla cars and take people everywhere.
And I got paid a certain amount of money.
(02:08):
'cause my Tesla's making memoney 'cause robot's driving it.
And I don't have to paythe robot as much money.
And then, oh, I'm gonna trade thefinancial markets because I have more
money and the financial market's going up.
So now you have more money.
There's a world that existsout there in my opinion.
And that's why I wanna lead this intowhere it's actually easier, it's simpler.
We make more money, we have moremoney, we have more opportunities.
That's for everybody.
And that's an abundance, likethat's an abundance mindset where
(02:30):
that's where the future is going.
there's not enough land in the United
States
Dave (02:33):
Yeah.
Jerremy (02:34):
do anything.
Pick it.
You could have everysingle human being on this.
live in America,
Dave (02:41):
Yeah.
Jerremy (02:42):
everyone gets three acres.
Like now you have tospread out evenly, but
everyone gets three or four acres.
Everyone has a job andwe have plenty of food.
And then every other landhas no one in it, right?
No one exists.
Birds run around, fly around.
There's plenty of land, plenty of animals.
Everything is a natural preserved park.
(03:02):
We have that much roomin the US and then some.
That's a lot of room 8 billionpeople to live in the US no problem.
You have to spread 'em around, okay?
They're gonna be a lot of peoplein Nevada that's not there now.
You have a lot of people in parts ofCalifornia, Kansas, Illinois, Texas,
Idaho, North Dakota, South Dakota, there'sa lot of land out there, man, a lot.
(03:27):
Now granted the government might haveto buy some from some of the private
landholders, but what I'm kidding at is.
Maybe.
I don't think it's a problem.
I think there's so much to go aroundand that's my belief, but I think
mathematically it's provable, right?
That's what's unique is like we canactually prove it, ultimately we
have so much available that not onlycan this country sustain the world,
(03:52):
but so many other countries thatare available can sustain the world.
We can figure it out and if people aretaking all of our jobs in this country
and no one has a job, the jobs thatthey took probably produce enough income
where you could have something becausethe government's taking care of you.
I'm not saying that's gonnahappen, but that happens for
a lot of people right now.
That's the case right now is whenyou and I create income and we pay a
(04:15):
tax, they're taking some of our tax
money to live off on.
I've never in my life, and I'vebeen as poor as you can grow up in
the us, didn't have food stamps orany type of government protection.
I just had to catch fish and eat it.
And if I didn't catch any fish andeat that day I went to bed hungry.
Okay, cool.
Hey good for you.
So for that to occur, I don'tthink that's gonna be a problem.
I think there'll be a pinchin, in the great depression.
(04:39):
25% of
people are unemployed.
Now that sounds like a lot, and
Dave (04:43):
Yes,
Jerremy (04:44):
but that means 75% of
people were employed.
So only a quarter of the people, right?
One out of four were not employed in thegreat Depression, in the worst economic
cycle America has ever seen in 2008.
And you can fact check me onthis, I believe it was only
15% of people were unemployed.
(05:05):
That's still not that bad.
And right now, again, people will, goback and forth on what the numbers are.
I think CPI is extremely high,although they keep saying it's low.
What actually is unemployment right now?
Depending on where you lookat, it's around four to 5%.
So if we have one of the worst economicdownturns in history that comes in
(05:26):
the next two years, which isn't gonnahappen, by the way, I don't think it
happens until 20 29, 20 30 is we'll getup to probably 20%, 25% unemployment.
And all the jobs that getlost, people can't afford them.
And then, yeah, immigrants mighttake them and they're gonna
work harder, longer for less.
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And if you want a job, you'regonna have to figure out a way to
create more income, reduce moreexpenses, and be a better employee.
And I think that ultimately is thelesson for every single listener here.
And I think that's justthe truth of all business.
Dave (05:59):
You know what I'm hearing is that, a lot of our political class,
a lot of the people who are in chargeof this right now, and a lot of people
who are debating it haven't had A bunchof different episodes exploring this.
Like we have over the last few weeksto really dig into this from a bunch
of different angles that they'llsay, we can't do this, or we won't
(06:21):
do this, or don't do this becauseof fear and uncertainty and doubt.
And you're saying, Hey, let'sflip this frown upside down.
Yeah, there's always goingto be edge cases, but let's
not manage to the edge cases.
Let's not manage to thefear, let's not manage it.
Like how do we turn this, can't,won't, and don't to can, will
(06:42):
and do and doing something is waybetter than where we are right now.
Which is a system thatis fundamentally broken.
I mean, we got onto a tangentearly on on this, which was.
Like people are coming here foreconomic prosperity and that just,
that makes people crazy and it makespeople delighted at the same time.
(07:04):
That was our big debate that we had.
And you know, part of that is, isthat we've had a foreign policy that
has had the American boot on the neckof so many countries for decades.
That man, how about we makethose countries great again?
You know, like, I dunno aboutyou, but uh, like I don't think
people want to leave their homes.
(07:26):
They're being pushed to leavetheir homes for some reason.
They might be pulled here for a fewreasons, but they're leaving for a reason.
But if they didn't have toleave, people do wanna stay home.
They wanna be in Venezuela orCuba or Europe or wherever, right?
They're coming to Americafor certain reasons.
Maybe it's because of our freedom,which like, yeah, there's a lot of
(07:48):
countries where you can't be free.
Maybe, uh, it's because of economicsand like, yeah, we can do that.
We can help other countries do that.
So part of that is being the model.
Again, part of that is, is stopscrewing around with other countries.
Some of that is, uh, being admired.
Again, I don't thinkAmerica's very admired.
But I, that was I think our bigdebate, with David and Steven, which
(08:13):
is that, you know, fundamentally, uh,you know, like David was in that world
of, you know, really looking at, well,it's legal versus illegal, right?
And we need to have more legal pathways.
And Steven was like, Hey, this is alleconomics and there are no legal pathways,
Jerremy (08:33):
correct.
And it's 12 on a statementI made earlier, 2.26
billion acres in the us.
So if you have 9 billion people, that'sabout a quarter of an acre per person.
So not three acres.
But saying that to say, yeah, if wehave that type of room, we have that
type of awareness, we have that typeof understanding, we have that type of
size because that's just a math fact.
(08:56):
If people come over, theywant economic prosperity.
We do have that in this country.
We have established and weare young enough and we have
enough size and resources.
One of the best books that I'veever read that you told me to read
was Accidental Superpower.
And as I was listening to this, I'm like,this is just such a fascinating topic.
(09:16):
Like we have so much
Dave (09:18):
It's
Jerremy (09:18):
in the US as
far as resources go, just amassive everything in droves.
So as I think about this, I'mover here listening to this book
yeah, I think we have plenty.
So to your point, man, when people comeover here, they really do want to come
because they are going to have so much
Dave (09:38):
Oh
Jerremy (09:39):
And I fully believe in the more begets more, is it more income?
Is it more money?
Is it more opportunity?
Is it more to focus on the negative?
Is it more drugs?
Is it more murders?
Sure.
With more people you have more, withmore of anything, you're gonna have more.
So you just need to have some ultimateway to Yes of course, protect.
(10:00):
We had our entire discussion on police and
police reform, but I still think,man, when you start talking
about, oh, everyone's bad that'scoming into this border, like
that's just such an Erroneouslyincorrect statement, like you take
a hundred people off the streetmathematically, it's like 1%
or less are the negatives.
(10:21):
It's the people that really wanna doharm, that wanna hurt other people that
just aren't quote unquote, what mostpeople would consider a great person.
It's less than 1%.
And for immigrants, it'sthe exact same thing.
It's such a small number that arenot bringing greatness over here.
Most people want greatness.
And again of course, justmy opinion, my beliefs.
But that particular episode wasreally fun and fiery and exciting
(10:45):
because David and Steve, like theywere just to total polar opposites
on the spectrum of the belief system.
And that's good because from bothof those perspectives, I got a lot,
I got actually re-fired up about.
We should
have a lot of immigrants come in here.
Like even though the US wasn't foundedby immigrants, I actually said that
a couple times in a couple episodes.
(11:06):
I mistakenly apologize for that.
It was founded by settlers.
And those are, that's a
Dave (11:10):
Ooh, tell me what, tell me.
I want to, I wanna learn this.
What's a settler?
Jerremy (11:15):
so a settler is, I
don't wanna live here anymore.
I'm choosing to go somewhereelse and we're gonna go somewhere
that most likely doesn't havea lot of civilization and we're
gonna go build our life there.
Versus I know this placeexists and they're amazing.
I'm gonna infiltrate thatplace and try to live there.
(11:36):
That's already
built.
Infiltrate
using the word loosely.
Dave (11:39):
Settlers.
Jerremy (11:40):
Yeah.
And so settlers is Hey listen, ifyou are there and we don't like
you, we're probably gonna murder
you.
Dave (11:48):
God.
Jerremy (11:49):
Dude, that is a
distinction, Dave, thatso many people love to
just gloss
over
Vikings
Dave (11:55):
here to murder the people who are
Jerremy (11:57):
And they, we called them Native Americans and they're like
we're settling thisland and it's not yours.
'cause we say, so we have guns andyou don't, sorry, it's now ours.
The 11th president, that's what James Polk
did, right?
to take California, Oregon,Washington from the Britains.
Man, it was just fascinating.
so there's a difference.
(12:17):
Immigrants are,
your country's better than ours
and I wanna come live here.
A settler is,
I kinda like my country, but there'ssomething better and I will fight
for it if I have to create my vision.
Small distinction and I think
Actually
probably
better.
'Cause there's not a lot ofnew countries being settled,
(12:37):
present day.
All right.
So on that topic, if we create thedistinction of, all right, immigrants
are incredible, Steve, in that exactepisode, kind re-lit my fire of yeah.
America was,
Talk
about small
Dave (12:55):
Yeah.
Jerremy (12:56):
and young it, we are 250 years old,
barely.
And to think about how far this countryhas come in 300 years, let's just call
it 300 years for easy numbers compared toany nation that's ever happened before,
that was a superpower is remarkable.
(13:18):
Speed.
Remarkable.
And we only did that because webrought in people to this nation and
those people did absolutely help build
this country.
And those were the vast majority,
they were
immigrants.
Dave (13:36):
yeah.
Jerremy (13:38):
That thought process brought me to the conversation that we had with
Audrey and Jerry because Audrey andJerry, they were, second generation
or first generation, and their parentscame here for one reason, mostly was to.
Work to create jobs to create forthemselves and had their kids here and
(14:03):
really wanted to build a family and wantedto build power and legacy and impact.
And they were able to do that.
And for me to just think throughusing that conversation, using that
discussion, using the terminologiesthat both Audrey and Jerry were able to
dictate and enunciate on the power ofthat cultural identity saying, I have
(14:30):
this, we have this, but we are together.
And to create some level of unison unityand having the remarkable capability
and capacity to take that unity andfrom that build, from that scale, from
that to create a melting pot of hey.
You have this exact same situationthat I had, you went through
(14:50):
this exactly like I'm going,through it Let's help each other.
And it was in that episode where Istarted putting the pieces together.
Okay, I think we could that coulddefinitely be a alright, if you
wanna come into this country goget a job, I'm fine with that.
probably gonna be a job thatAmerican doesn't want anyway.
And there's gonna be plenty of them.
Go get a really cool job.
And when you come here, connectwith a group of individuals who've
(15:13):
already been here before and letthem guide you, let them pull you.
And that's just a requirement.
This is a terrible example, but thinkabout like a parole officer, right?
Parole officer has Hey, here's thesethings that you have to do to return as
a returning citizen to the communities.
Okay, if you're an immigrantinto this country and you.
Check mark.
You go through the AI adopted software,automated system and process where we
(15:36):
can take 95% of these core cases andspeed 'em up to days or weeks versus
decades.
And now, once they get that bigcheck mark, they go get a job
and they're required to attend.
Dude, I don't know, whatever.
Community meetings,let's have discussions.
Let's do this together.
Let's build each other up together.
Let's remember why we're all here.
(15:57):
We came to this countryto yes, have our heritage.
And this was a big one that Audrey just,I love how she stated this, but it was
like, yeah, we came from somewhere else.
Absolutely.
And we still have that as our heritage.
We saw that as our background.
But I'm an American.
I'm here now
and we're gonna pour into it andwe're gonna celebrate our past.
(16:18):
We're gonna celebrate where we came from.
It's gonna be remarkable.
It's gonna be incredible.
It's gonna be an accomplishment.
It's gonna be a feat.
But we're Americans and we're in thiscountry for a reason and we're gonna build
and we're gonna help other people build.
And that just got me all excited.
Dave (16:30):
Yeah.
We touched on that a little bitwith Svetlana and Olga too, right?
I think Olga mentioned, yeah, you, youtend to find your communities, right?
Particularly in, in cities.
You find your people.
I like the idea of.
People helping people,communities helping out.
But didn't they also say thereare so many different programs and
so many things that are alreadyavailable and it's, I don't know.
(16:54):
I remember Olga looking, sounding a littleslant eyed at that, meaning that, yeah,
but you gotta get rid of all of the scamsand all of the people taking advantage
of, of, uh, of immigrants or peoplewho are going through this gauntlet.
And I think the phrase was, um,a marathon through a minefield.
(17:16):
You know?
So what would it accomplish?
because we also heard aboutthe crab potting too, right?
So what would you envision, say asecond gen helping, a first gen doing?
Is that what you're saying, right?
It's ah,
Jerremy (17:30):
Yeah.
I think Exactly.
I'd
Dave (17:32):
we
Jerremy (17:32):
have that be
Dave (17:32):
a you need to have an advisor here.
Jerremy (17:34):
Exactly,
Dave (17:35):
A
mentor.
Jerremy (17:37):
Americans do that.
If you're born here,
You have advisors.
Those advisors are
generally called
Dave (17:42):
Yeah,
Jerremy (17:43):
Mentors.
What it does is it speeds up the processso that if you have a marathon through
a minefield, you know where to run.
Don't put your foot there.
Avoid this big
iron metal, shiny thing.
I think that too is it's justa way to speed the process.
Solana said, let's remove the story ofalways having to be hard and having this
(18:09):
link and this beauty attached to hardship,because it doesn't have to be that way.
These things can be easier, and if they'reeasier, we'll create our own hard, right?
That hard will be made.
I love that people have to work diligentlyand put a lot of effort into build
something to scale something for that, toreally have a value associated with it.
(18:31):
And yes, that'll never go away, but ifyou have a mentor, a second generation
appealing to a first generationthat says, here's what to avoid.
Here's how to speed things up.
Here's how to get a great job.
Here's where you could pay taxes.
Here's where you can do this.
Avoid this, don't do this.
Do this.
Now that person can avoida lot of the hardships, and
they'll have their own hardship.
And their hardship might be, Ihave to work more because I, now,
(18:55):
I bought two houses and I live inone and I rent out the other one.
But there are some hardships that comewith owning two houses, and that hardship
is just as unique and individualistic assomeone who has no house and has to rent
and have to pay their money for rent.
It's just a hardship.
(19:16):
We're all gonna have our own hardshipsbecause human beings, in my almost
personal definition, are spiritual beingsthat want to create a physical experience.
And so we're going to createhard things for ourselves.
Naturally, it doesn't matter how easylife is, we will find things to make hard
(19:36):
because we want to experience that hard.
So let's make it as easy as possiblebecause the faster it is, the easier
it is, the quicker our immigrants loveto learn the country, love to learn the
processes, fall in love with the people.
I think it would create a,they're no longer, less than.
I think that was one of the veryfirst things you talked about.
Davis was like, Hey, this isno longer a we versus them.
(19:58):
It's kinda like an us.
It's oh, cool, you're an immigrant.
Awesome.
You should connect with this group,this person, this individual,
and this is what you should do.
Because that's, everyone knowsthat's what we do now, right?
We just have this protocol towelcome people 'cause we don't
have this disdain for, you do haveto be technically non-approved to
(20:20):
start getting here at some point.
There is a process of.
Not approved to approved.
What does that window look like?
Let's short it, make it as easyand quick and efficient and scaled
down as possible so that we canfigure it out and we can continue to
become the world's greatest country.
'cause that's what put us here.
And what got us here will continueto get us where we want to go to a
(20:42):
certain level, to a certain degree,
Dave (20:44):
Immigration, and let's just extend that to becoming a
citizen in the United States.
Should that be easy orshould that be hard?
Jerremy (20:54):
I think it should be easier than
it is now.
But here's my thoughts though.
Yes, it can be easy, but easycan have very specific outlines.
Finishing a marathon is pretty easy, Dave.
You go 26.2
miles.
Dave (21:08):
I'm
Jerremy (21:09):
a lot
easier
Dave (21:10):
I, like that analogy.
That's great.
Jerremy (21:12):
It's like it's a
lot
Dave (21:13):
the
Jerremy (21:14):
easier.
Yeah, that's the thing.
It's like we could still havethese, you gotta do, okay, this is
maybe a tangent again, but imagineif I said, in order to be an
immigrant, legally, all you have to do iscome over to America, do 25 pushups, 25
pull-ups, and run a seven sub minute mile.
(21:34):
That was it.
That's all you have to do.
And then boom, big check mark.
That is easy for a
lot of people, those threethings, and it's not easy
for a lot of people as well, butif you have a very clear standard
that's, Hey, this is what it is.
But that standard for themajority of individuals is still
something that is a fun challenge.
(21:58):
I'm all for that.
Then it just gives someone like,Hey, this is a really easy process.
We have to do these three things.
But those three things are not inherently
Dave (22:05):
Yeah.
Jerremy (22:06):
ultimately that easy.
Running a marathon likeit is, you just gotta go.
26.2
miles was like, okay.
But it's actually hard to do it though.
And I think that to me isvery fun and very realistic.
It's create some type of pathway is like,Hey, here's all the things you gotta do.
And here it is, we'll just put iton a piece of paper and we'll put it
on street posts across the country.
These are only 10 things yougotta do to be here legally.
(22:28):
And they're easy, but they'rea lot easier not to do.
Alex (22:31):
Abundance unlocked, mentorship outlined—but who truly belongs?
Next, we explore the heart ofimmigration: character, patriotism,
and stories that tie it all together.
What if America’s limits are just a myth?
Jerremy’s math proves we could welcomethe world, while a fresh take on settlers
versus immigrants rewrites our history—andmentorship paves the way forward.
this is my abundance mindset, is if abunch of immigrants come into the us.
They take all of these jobs, eventhe ones that hard fought want
(00:23):
to keep, I wanna keep my job.
And they take from you.
That's 'cause they're better than you.
They thought more,
Practice more, they cared more.
Or they're extremelyless costly than you are.
It's one of those factors, right?
If someone takes your job,it's 'cause you suck at it.
You're not good at it, you produce, oryou're too expensive, meaning you're not
(00:45):
providing enough revenue or decreasingthe cost of whatever job you're enough.
If you're
doing one of those twothings, you'll keep your job.
Alright?
So you get your job taken froman immigrant what do you do?
Just go create another one.
That's what you're gonna do.
Go literally go find another one.
Go find another business.
Go find something tocreate, to build, to make.
(01:06):
That's what Americaningenuity is all about.
And so that's my theory, dude, is Idon't think that's ever gonna happen.
Like in 50, 60, 80 years fromyou robots doing everything,
you have an idealization, and
I'm going on a tangent, I'm sorry.
You have an idealization ofwhat some people would call post
abundance, not post scarcity.
(01:26):
Maybe it's post scarcity,like after everyone's afraid.
You have this world where money is easy.
Yes, inflation is up, but now
20% of the world is millionaires.
Now millionaires can't buy asmuch 'cause inflation's up.
But you still have a lot more moneythan you have now, relatively speaking.
And jobs are faster.
Everyone's creative.
(01:47):
They're doing music, they're doingpodcasts, they're doing radio.
People pay for the gig economy.
This person made me laugh.
Here's 10 bucks.
This person made my day easier.
Here's 10 bucks.
This person cooked thisreally cool meal, here's $10.
And now I have more money because Ihired 17 robots to go out and drive my
Tesla cars and take people everywhere.
And I got paid a certain amount of money.
(02:08):
'cause my Tesla's making memoney 'cause robot's driving it.
And I don't have to paythe robot as much money.
And then, oh, I'm gonna trade thefinancial markets because I have more
money and the financial market's going up.
So now you have more money.
There's a world that existsout there in my opinion.
And that's why I wanna lead this intowhere it's actually easier, it's simpler.
We make more money, we have moremoney, we have more opportunities.
That's for everybody.
And that's an abundance, likethat's an abundance mindset where
(02:30):
that's where the future is going.
there's not enough land in the United
States
Dave (02:33):
Yeah.
Jerremy (02:34):
do anything.
Pick it.
You could have everysingle human being on this.
live in America,
Dave (02:41):
Yeah.
Jerremy (02:42):
everyone gets three acres.
Like now you have tospread out evenly, but
everyone gets three or four acres.
Everyone has a job andwe have plenty of food.
And then every other landhas no one in it, right?
No one exists.
Birds run around, fly around.
There's plenty of land, plenty of animals.
Everything is a natural preserved park.
(03:02):
We have that much roomin the US and then some.
That's a lot of room 8 billionpeople to live in the US no problem.
You have to spread 'em around, okay?
They're gonna be a lot of peoplein Nevada that's not there now.
You have a lot of people in parts ofCalifornia, Kansas, Illinois, Texas,
Idaho, North Dakota, South Dakota, there'sa lot of land out there, man, a lot.
(03:27):
Now granted the government might haveto buy some from some of the private
landholders, but what I'm kidding at is.
Maybe.
I don't think it's a problem.
I think there's so much to go aroundand that's my belief, but I think
mathematically it's provable, right?
That's what's unique is like we canactually prove it, ultimately we
have so much available that not onlycan this country sustain the world,
(03:52):
but so many other countries thatare available can sustain the world.
We can figure it out and if people aretaking all of our jobs in this country
and no one has a job, the jobs thatthey took probably produce enough income
where you could have something becausethe government's taking care of you.
I'm not saying that's gonnahappen, but that happens for
a lot of people right now.
That's the case right now is whenyou and I create income and we pay a
(04:15):
tax, they're taking some of our tax
money to live off on.
I've never in my life, and I'vebeen as poor as you can grow up in
the us, didn't have food stamps orany type of government protection.
I just had to catch fish and eat it.
And if I didn't catch any fish andeat that day I went to bed hungry.
Okay, cool.
Hey good for you.
So for that to occur, I don'tthink that's gonna be a problem.
I think there'll be a pinchin, in the great depression.
(04:39):
25% of
people are unemployed.
Now that sounds like a lot, and
Dave (04:43):
Yes,
Jerremy (04:44):
but that means 75% of
people were employed.
So only a quarter of the people, right?
One out of four were not employed in thegreat Depression, in the worst economic
cycle America has ever seen in 2008.
And you can fact check me onthis, I believe it was only
15% of people were unemployed.
(05:05):
That's still not that bad.
And right now, again, people will, goback and forth on what the numbers are.
I think CPI is extremely high,although they keep saying it's low.
What actually is unemployment right now?
Depending on where you lookat, it's around four to 5%.
So if we have one of the worst economicdownturns in history that comes in
(05:26):
the next two years, which isn't gonnahappen, by the way, I don't think it
happens until 20 29, 20 30 is we'll getup to probably 20%, 25% unemployment.
And all the jobs that getlost, people can't afford them.
And then, yeah, immigrants mighttake them and they're gonna
work harder, longer for less.
(05:48):
And if you want a job, you'regonna have to figure out a way to
create more income, reduce moreexpenses, and be a better employee.
And I think that ultimately is thelesson for every single listener here.
And I think that's justthe truth of all business.
Dave (05:59):
You know what I'm hearing is that, a lot of our political class,
a lot of the people who are in chargeof this right now, and a lot of people
who are debating it haven't had A bunchof different episodes exploring this.
Like we have over the last few weeksto really dig into this from a bunch
of different angles that they'llsay, we can't do this, or we won't
(06:21):
do this, or don't do this becauseof fear and uncertainty and doubt.
And you're saying, Hey, let'sflip this frown upside down.
Yeah, there's always goingto be edge cases, but let's
not manage to the edge cases.
Let's not manage to thefear, let's not manage it.
Like how do we turn this, can't,won't, and don't to can, will
(06:42):
and do and doing something is waybetter than where we are right now.
Which is a system thatis fundamentally broken.
I mean, we got onto a tangentearly on on this, which was.
Like people are coming here foreconomic prosperity and that just,
that makes people crazy and it makespeople delighted at the same time.
(07:04):
That was our big debate that we had.
And you know, part of that is, isthat we've had a foreign policy that
has had the American boot on the neckof so many countries for decades.
That man, how about we makethose countries great again?
You know, like, I dunno aboutyou, but uh, like I don't think
people want to leave their homes.
(07:26):
They're being pushed to leavetheir homes for some reason.
They might be pulled here for a fewreasons, but they're leaving for a reason.
But if they didn't have toleave, people do wanna stay home.
They wanna be in Venezuela orCuba or Europe or wherever, right?
They're coming to Americafor certain reasons.
Maybe it's because of our freedom,which like, yeah, there's a lot of
(07:48):
countries where you can't be free.
Maybe, uh, it's because of economicsand like, yeah, we can do that.
We can help other countries do that.
So part of that is being the model.
Again, part of that is, is stopscrewing around with other countries.
Some of that is, uh, being admired.
Again, I don't thinkAmerica's very admired.
But I, that was I think our bigdebate, with David and Steven, which
(08:13):
is that, you know, fundamentally, uh,you know, like David was in that world
of, you know, really looking at, well,it's legal versus illegal, right?
And we need to have more legal pathways.
And Steven was like, Hey, this is alleconomics and there are no legal pathways,
Jerremy (08:33):
correct.
And it's 12 on a statementI made earlier, 2.26
billion acres in the us.
So if you have 9 billion people, that'sabout a quarter of an acre per person.
So not three acres.
But saying that to say, yeah, if wehave that type of room, we have that
type of awareness, we have that typeof understanding, we have that type of
size because that's just a math fact.
(08:56):
If people come over, theywant economic prosperity.
We do have that in this country.
We have established and weare young enough and we have
enough size and resources.
One of the best books that I'veever read that you told me to read
was Accidental Superpower.
And as I was listening to this, I'm like,this is just such a fascinating topic.
(09:16):
Like we have so much
Dave (09:18):
It's
Jerremy (09:18):
in the US as
far as resources go, just amassive everything in droves.
So as I think about this, I'mover here listening to this book
yeah, I think we have plenty.
So to your point, man, when people comeover here, they really do want to come
because they are going to have so much
Dave (09:38):
Oh
Jerremy (09:39):
And I fully believe in the more begets more, is it more income?
Is it more money?
Is it more opportunity?
Is it more to focus on the negative?
Is it more drugs?
Is it more murders?
Sure.
With more people you have more, withmore of anything, you're gonna have more.
So you just need to have some ultimateway to Yes of course, protect.
(10:00):
We had our entire discussion on police and
police reform, but I still think,man, when you start talking
about, oh, everyone's bad that'scoming into this border, like
that's just such an Erroneouslyincorrect statement, like you take
a hundred people off the streetmathematically, it's like 1%
or less are the negatives.
(10:21):
It's the people that really wanna doharm, that wanna hurt other people that
just aren't quote unquote, what mostpeople would consider a great person.
It's less than 1%.
And for immigrants, it'sthe exact same thing.
It's such a small number that arenot bringing greatness over here.
Most people want greatness.
And again of course, justmy opinion, my beliefs.
But that particular episode wasreally fun and fiery and exciting
(10:45):
because David and Steve, like theywere just to total polar opposites
on the spectrum of the belief system.
And that's good because from bothof those perspectives, I got a lot,
I got actually re-fired up about.
We should
have a lot of immigrants come in here.
Like even though the US wasn't foundedby immigrants, I actually said that
a couple times in a couple episodes.
(11:06):
I mistakenly apologize for that.
It was founded by settlers.
And those are, that's a
Dave (11:10):
Ooh, tell me what, tell me.
I want to, I wanna learn this.
What's a settler?
Jerremy (11:15):
so a settler is, I
don't wanna live here anymore.
I'm choosing to go somewhereelse and we're gonna go somewhere
that most likely doesn't havea lot of civilization and we're
gonna go build our life there.
Versus I know this placeexists and they're amazing.
I'm gonna infiltrate thatplace and try to live there.
(11:36):
That's already
built.
Infiltrate
using the word loosely.
Dave (11:39):
Settlers.
Jerremy (11:40):
Yeah.
And so settlers is Hey listen, ifyou are there and we don't like
you, we're probably gonna murder
you.
Dave (11:48):
God.
Jerremy (11:49):
Dude, that is a
distinction, Dave, thatso many people love to
just gloss
over
Vikings
Dave (11:55):
here to murder the people who are
Jerremy (11:57):
And they, we called them Native Americans and they're like
we're settling thisland and it's not yours.
'cause we say, so we have guns andyou don't, sorry, it's now ours.
The 11th president, that's what James Polk
did, right?
to take California, Oregon,Washington from the Britains.
Man, it was just fascinating.
so there's a difference.
(12:17):
Immigrants are,
your country's better than ours
and I wanna come live here.
A settler is,
I kinda like my country, but there'ssomething better and I will fight
for it if I have to create my vision.
Small distinction and I think
Actually
probably
better.
'Cause there's not a lot ofnew countries being settled,
(12:37):
present day.
All right.
So on that topic, if we create thedistinction of, all right, immigrants
are incredible, Steve, in that exactepisode, kind re-lit my fire of yeah.
America was,
Talk
about small
Dave (12:55):
Yeah.
Jerremy (12:56):
and young it, we are 250 years old,
barely.
And to think about how far this countryhas come in 300 years, let's just call
it 300 years for easy numbers compared toany nation that's ever happened before,
that was a superpower is remarkable.
(13:18):
Speed.
Remarkable.
And we only did that because webrought in people to this nation and
those people did absolutely help build
this country.
And those were the vast majority,
they were
immigrants.
Dave (13:36):
yeah.
Jerremy (13:38):
That thought process brought me to the conversation that we had with
Audrey and Jerry because Audrey andJerry, they were, second generation
or first generation, and their parentscame here for one reason, mostly was to.
Work to create jobs to create forthemselves and had their kids here and
(14:03):
really wanted to build a family and wantedto build power and legacy and impact.
And they were able to do that.
And for me to just think throughusing that conversation, using that
discussion, using the terminologiesthat both Audrey and Jerry were able to
dictate and enunciate on the power ofthat cultural identity saying, I have
(14:30):
this, we have this, but we are together.
And to create some level of unison unityand having the remarkable capability
and capacity to take that unity andfrom that build, from that scale, from
that to create a melting pot of hey.
You have this exact same situationthat I had, you went through
(14:50):
this exactly like I'm going,through it Let's help each other.
And it was in that episode where Istarted putting the pieces together.
Okay, I think we could that coulddefinitely be a alright, if you
wanna come into this country goget a job, I'm fine with that.
probably gonna be a job thatAmerican doesn't want anyway.
And there's gonna be plenty of them.
Go get a really cool job.
And when you come here, connectwith a group of individuals who've
(15:13):
already been here before and letthem guide you, let them pull you.
And that's just a requirement.
This is a terrible example, but thinkabout like a parole officer, right?
Parole officer has Hey, here's thesethings that you have to do to return as
a returning citizen to the communities.
Okay, if you're an immigrantinto this country and you.
Check mark.
You go through the AI adopted software,automated system and process where we
(15:36):
can take 95% of these core cases andspeed 'em up to days or weeks versus
decades.
And now, once they get that bigcheck mark, they go get a job
and they're required to attend.
Dude, I don't know, whatever.
Community meetings,let's have discussions.
Let's do this together.
Let's build each other up together.
Let's remember why we're all here.
(15:57):
We came to this countryto yes, have our heritage.
And this was a big one that Audrey just,I love how she stated this, but it was
like, yeah, we came from somewhere else.
Absolutely.
And we still have that as our heritage.
We saw that as our background.
But I'm an American.
I'm here now
and we're gonna pour into it andwe're gonna celebrate our past.
(16:18):
We're gonna celebrate where we came from.
It's gonna be remarkable.
It's gonna be incredible.
It's gonna be an accomplishment.
It's gonna be a feat.
But we're Americans and we're in thiscountry for a reason and we're gonna build
and we're gonna help other people build.
And that just got me all excited.
Dave (16:30):
Yeah.
We touched on that a little bitwith Svetlana and Olga too, right?
I think Olga mentioned, yeah, you, youtend to find your communities, right?
Particularly in, in cities.
You find your people.
I like the idea of.
People helping people,communities helping out.
But didn't they also say thereare so many different programs and
so many things that are alreadyavailable and it's, I don't know.
(16:54):
I remember Olga looking, sounding a littleslant eyed at that, meaning that, yeah,
but you gotta get rid of all of the scamsand all of the people taking advantage
of, of, uh, of immigrants or peoplewho are going through this gauntlet.
And I think the phrase was, um,a marathon through a minefield.
(17:16):
You know?
So what would it accomplish?
because we also heard aboutthe crab potting too, right?
So what would you envision, say asecond gen helping, a first gen doing?
Is that what you're saying, right?
It's ah,
Jerremy (17:30):
Yeah.
I think Exactly.
I'd
Dave (17:32):
we
Jerremy (17:32):
have that be
Dave (17:32):
a you need to have an advisor here.
Jerremy (17:34):
Exactly,
Dave (17:35):
A
mentor.
Jerremy (17:37):
Americans do that.
If you're born here,
You have advisors.
Those advisors are
generally called
Dave (17:42):
Yeah,
Jerremy (17:43):
Mentors.
What it does is it speeds up the processso that if you have a marathon through
a minefield, you know where to run.
Don't put your foot there.
Avoid this big
iron metal, shiny thing.
I think that too is it's justa way to speed the process.
Solana said, let's remove the story ofalways having to be hard and having this
(18:09):
link and this beauty attached to hardship,because it doesn't have to be that way.
These things can be easier, and if they'reeasier, we'll create our own hard, right?
That hard will be made.
I love that people have to work diligentlyand put a lot of effort into build
something to scale something for that, toreally have a value associated with it.
(18:31):
And yes, that'll never go away, but ifyou have a mentor, a second generation
appealing to a first generationthat says, here's what to avoid.
Here's how to speed things up.
Here's how to get a great job.
Here's where you could pay taxes.
Here's where you can do this.
Avoid this, don't do this.
Do this.
Now that person can avoida lot of the hardships, and
they'll have their own hardship.
And their hardship might be, Ihave to work more because I, now,
(18:55):
I bought two houses and I live inone and I rent out the other one.
But there are some hardships that comewith owning two houses, and that hardship
is just as unique and individualistic assomeone who has no house and has to rent
and have to pay their money for rent.
It's just a hardship.
(19:16):
We're all gonna have our own hardshipsbecause human beings, in my almost
personal definition, are spiritual beingsthat want to create a physical experience.
And so we're going to createhard things for ourselves.
Naturally, it doesn't matter how easylife is, we will find things to make hard
(19:36):
because we want to experience that hard.
So let's make it as easy as possiblebecause the faster it is, the easier
it is, the quicker our immigrants loveto learn the country, love to learn the
processes, fall in love with the people.
I think it would create a,they're no longer, less than.
I think that was one of the veryfirst things you talked about.
Davis was like, Hey, this isno longer a we versus them.
(19:58):
It's kinda like an us.
It's oh, cool, you're an immigrant.
Awesome.
You should connect with this group,this person, this individual,
and this is what you should do.
Because that's, everyone knowsthat's what we do now, right?
We just have this protocol towelcome people 'cause we don't
have this disdain for, you do haveto be technically non-approved to
(20:20):
start getting here at some point.
There is a process of.
Not approved to approved.
What does that window look like?
Let's short it, make it as easyand quick and efficient and scaled
down as possible so that we canfigure it out and we can continue to
become the world's greatest country.
'cause that's what put us here.
And what got us here will continueto get us where we want to go to a
(20:42):
certain level, to a certain degree,
Dave (20:44):
Immigration, and let's just extend that to becoming a
citizen in the United States.
Should that be easy orshould that be hard?
Jerremy (20:54):
I think it should be easier than
it is now.
But here's my thoughts though.
Yes, it can be easy, but easycan have very specific outlines.
Finishing a marathon is pretty easy, Dave.
You go 26.2
miles.
Dave (21:08):
I'm
Jerremy (21:09):
a lot
easier
Dave (21:10):
I, like that analogy.
That's great.
Jerremy (21:12):
It's like it's a
lot
Dave (21:13):
the
Jerremy (21:14):
easier.
Yeah, that's the thing.
It's like we could still havethese, you gotta do, okay, this is
maybe a tangent again, but imagineif I said, in order to be an
immigrant, legally, all you have to do iscome over to America, do 25 pushups, 25
pull-ups, and run a seven sub minute mile.
(21:34):
That was it.
That's all you have to do.
And then boom, big check mark.
That is easy for a
lot of people, those threethings, and it's not easy
for a lot of people as well, butif you have a very clear standard
that's, Hey, this is what it is.
But that standard for themajority of individuals is still
something that is a fun challenge.
(21:58):
I'm all for that.
Then it just gives someone like,Hey, this is a really easy process.
We have to do these three things.
But those three things are not inherently
Dave (22:05):
Yeah.
Jerremy (22:06):
ultimately that easy.
Running a marathon likeit is, you just gotta go.
26.2
miles was like, okay.
But it's actually hard to do it though.
And I think that to me isvery fun and very realistic.
It's create some type of pathway is like,Hey, here's all the things you gotta do.
And here it is, we'll just put iton a piece of paper and we'll put it
on street posts across the country.
These are only 10 things yougotta do to be here legally.
(22:28):
And they're easy, but they'rea lot easier not to do.
Alex (22:31):
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