The Vote That Doesn’t Exist: America’s Missing Right to Vote and the Electoral College Trap

The U.S. Constitution never guarantees the right to vote—and that gap still shapes democracy today. Jerremy and Dave expose how the Electoral College distorts representation, how felon disenfranchisement silences millions, and why reforms like ranked-choice voting could reset a two-party system at war with itself. A system without universal access isn’t broken—it’s incomplete.

Timestamps:

(00:00) The Missing Right: Why Voting Isn’t in the Constitution

(01:44) Electoral College: Democracy’s Built-In Design Flaw

(12:16) Felon Voting Rights: Punishment or Redemption?

(18:51) Ranked-Choice Voting: Democracy’s Reset Button

(24:17) The 130 Million Problem: Why So Many Don’t Vote

Episode Transcript

Alex (00:00):
"Quick test
Stumped?
So are most of us, but theycall the shots on presidents.

Shock two (00:07):
The Constitution skips voting rights entirely.
We're decoding these outdated setups,felon barriers, and ranked-choice fixes to
make every vote matter in modern America."

Dave (00:18):
Hey.
I want your opinion on this because

Jerremy (00:21):
I'll take it.

Dave (00:22):
blew my mind.

Jerremy (00:23):
Okay.

Dave (00:25):
The US Constitution contains no right to vote.
It has discrimination built into it onvoting, but there is no right to vote.
And certainly in the history ofvoting, like it was only a few people,
you know, at the beginning of thiscountry that were, allowed to vote.
It got a little bit broader.
You know, women were, enfranchisedthan, former slaves were.

(00:48):
And then it was fixed again with theVoting Rights Act to make sure that there
wasn't, like all these barriers to voting.
Now they're talking about likemaking 16 year olds vote, which I
do have strong opinions on that.
Anybody who's ever had ateenager would be like, what?
Um.
What do you think?
I mean, there's no right to vote.
Uh, how crazy is that?
Shouldn't we have a

Jerremy (01:07):
you the bear arms.

Dave (01:09):
You can you, yes.
You can bear arms and not be forcedto have troops in your home, but no
to vote in a representative democracy.
And I

Jerremy (01:19):
Well,

Dave (01:20):
Like in the early days, like you didn't do a direct
voting for a lot of thing.
Like you didn't, I don't think you votedfor senators, I think, or, you know, like
you didn't vote directly for the right.
Like the president was like voted outof Congress and, uh, like it was, it,
I, you know, I got my history wrong.
Anybody out there who islike, no, that's not true.
But I don't think there was ever a direct,I mean, we don't have a direct vote now.

(01:42):
Okay, let's talk about this.
Um, the electoral college one,I'm not sure if I understand it.
And two, I think peoplehave strong opinions on it.
Do you have any opinionson the electoral college?
Because you can actually getall the votes and still not

Jerremy (01:59):
Still Yeah.
Oh, do I have opinion onthe electoral college?
Yes I do.
So number one, the fact that I'dprobably say less than 20% of
Americans know what the electoralcollege is as probably a travesty.
Number two, who is onthe electoral college?
No one knows.

Dave (02:19):
Oh yeah.

Jerremy (02:20):
No one.
Like you'd have to you.

Dave (02:23):
I'm a graduate of the electoral college.

Jerremy (02:26):
Exactly.

Dave (02:27):
have my degree from electoral college.

Jerremy (02:29):
JD Vance couldn't tell us who's only electoral
college right now like that.
And that's not even discrediting him.
That's like saying that's how basswards, that whole system is now.
I like its relevancy in the sense that,hey, the overall state, you get this many.
Votes because now thatis a population thing.

(02:51):
Okay.
You have a population, themore population, the more
people the more votes.

Dave (02:55):
And that's like Congress, right?
So

Jerremy (02:58):
Congress, but also,

Dave (02:59):
like Texas and Florida and California.
They have a bigger numberin the electoral colleges.
That's right.
Like congress.
Okay.

Jerremy (03:06):
correct.
And Wyoming, Montana, they haveless than three, like 12 votes.
And they usually all get voted the sameway anyway, but it's like it's, they have
less because they have less population.
However, though, if a state, andI can't currently remember if this
has ever even happened, but it couldwhere a state votes, Hey, we want this

(03:32):
person in office, and the electoralcollege could still decide to vote and
cast their vote however they want to.

Dave (03:40):
Come on.
That's bonkers,

Jerremy (03:42):
So they don't have to actually listen to the populace.
They are according to the current law,allowed to make whatever vote they want.
Now, again, who are these people voting?
I, I have no idea Who they are.
I don't know what they're doing.
I don't know what theyhave, how they discuss.
I don't know any of that.
And no one does either really.

(04:02):
Which seems very strange to me.
Very strange.
It's if you went and they said, Heywho should go into the Hall of Fame
for the NFL National Football League?
And people are like, I don't know.
All right let's have people vote on it.
Who?
I don't know what, let'sjust call 'em people.
And these people are like, no,pass Hall of Famers get to vote.

(04:23):
Got it.
So there should be.

Dave (04:26):
God, as much as I, I love politics and as much as I love watching the
presidential stuff, it's not winnertake all, like it really is, you know,
it's 538 electoral college, votes.
And that's the same as Congress, right?
It's basically a hundred becauseevery state gets two and then is

(04:49):
it 4 38 representative wise, geez,I think we're gonna have to have
somebody who knows what this is.
So why isn't this just a math thing again?
Yeah, because you do getdifferent counties like that.
We get reports county by county, andpeople do get counties, but man, they
don't have representation in thatsame, so those aren't gerrymandered.
Why is the electoral college notgerrymandered, but the elections are?

Jerremy (05:12):
Thank you.

Dave (05:13):
That's weird.

Jerremy (05:14):
Thank
you.

Dave (05:15):
that's weird.

Jerremy (05:17):
it is weird, man.
It's super strange.
And again, just the fact thatthere's so little information
and validation and verification,not only on voting, but yeah, the
electoral college is super bizarre.
Super wild.
And I will say, as muchas I love this country,

(05:37):
I'm not one of the, like me andCharlie Kirk have a pretty big
disagreement on the Constitution.
He thinks it's the greatestthing since the Bible.
And I'm like, I don't see it that way.
I'm glad that it was written.
I'm glad that it was created.
I am very thankful for all the things.
It was created by misogynist,racist, homophobes.

Dave (05:59):
Brilliant ones.

Jerremy (06:01):
very, yeah, very smart, very well articulated.
There's a lot of very smart people.
Hitler was incredibly smart,extremely wise, very articulate.
Just because you have smart people,doesn't mean they're remarkable.
The reason that they didn'thave the right to vote is 'cause
they didn't want anyone to vote.
Dave.
They wanted
their buddies, their friendsfrom Alexandria and West

(06:23):
Point, that's who they wanted
to vote, was their friends and thehighest of the pedigrees of individuals,
right?
They didn't want women voting.
Women are dumb.
They don't have brains.
They're not smart.
Don't have them vote,
right?
Black people, absolutely no chance.
Native Americans get outta here.
Who are
you?
They want them and their buddiesand their drinking halls and

(06:45):
their mason temple to vote.
So that's why, because they knewif you open it up to too many
people, if everyone had the rightto vote, they lose their power.
And again, I'm not saying thatthey're terrible individuals
by any stretch of imagination.
What I'm saying is the Constitutionwas the best thing that they
could come up with at the time.

(07:06):
Granted, the majority of thewriters of the Constitution
were most likely inebriated atthe time of creating it, right?
They drank all the time.
All the time.
Openly.
Like frequently.
So guys,
they were

Dave (07:23):
alcoholic misogynists put together this incredible document.
Hey, on the other side of this,we've also have the longest
running government in the world.
Like we've been around hundredsof years now, like nowhere else on
the planet can actually say that.
It's been amended a bunch of times, right?
There is a process.

(07:43):
So I think there is a, the factthat they did build in a process
that says we can update this.
Maybe it, there is a, there is somethingto be said, like maybe we should be in
a regular process of updating things.
Like maybe it shouldbe a little bit easier.
But man, results do matter.
Incredible country, incredible foundingdocument that has served us for hundreds

(08:05):
of years and has changed over time.
I don't know, I can't think of alot of documents that are like that.
People don't update the bible, theKoran doesn't go through updates
Torah, no updates there, right?

Jerremy (08:17):
They weren't supposed to, right?

Dave (08:19):
I'm just saying great documents, like this is a
living, breathing, I don't know.

Jerremy (08:23):
No,
exactly.
And

Dave (08:24):
be a little bit of more on Charlie's side on this, but,

Jerremy (08:27):
to, I don't think you are.

Dave (08:28):
No.

Jerremy (08:29):
no, I don't think so.
The fact is, yes, I lovethe amendment process.
That's incredible.
And I love what it is and whatit's created and what it's built.
I just don't have the reverence
for this,

Dave (08:39):
Oh yeah,

Jerremy (08:40):
to your point Yeah.
Does have anything about voting
at all,
and this is what the country is built on.
Country is built on

Dave (08:46):
away.
I was like, there is no, there areactually it's all built into laws.
Like they can say, oh, hey,voting is unconstitutional.
What?
And so this is also like federalversus state control because
it is not in the constitution.
It is up to the states tofigure out their process.
And so I've lived in different states.
You've lived in different states.
There is a differentprocess in every single one.

(09:07):
I actually have a hugeadmiration for Florida.
I think we knew all of the results.
It was the first in the nation for thepresidential election to post their
votes because I think within a fewminutes certainly within the hour, I
think they had everything posted online.
There were some minor updates over thecourse of a couple of weeks as mail-in,

(09:27):
but they not mail-in anything that waslike postmarked later or, like just
minor corrections that didn't changeanything, but it was like minuscule.
But they had everything within minutes.
Whereas in California they might still becounting the votes as far as I can tell.
It, like it takes foreverto go through that process.
So I have huge, like credit wherecredit is due, Florida has got it down.

(09:49):
You gotta show your id.
I get a paper receipt on it, youknow exactly my vote and okay, great.
It was easy peasy.
You're just like they check you in andyou go and vote, like done, like great.
California, I lived in San Francisco.
I went to some, literally somebody'sgarage which I, it was in my, it
was in my neighborhood, but it waslike the door of the garage was

(10:10):
up and there was, those, the, yes.
I went to a garage and they askedme my name and I gave 'em my name
and they said, what's your address?
And I said, this is my address.
And they said, here, sign here.
I'm like, great.
And I signed here.
But I could have gone toall of the voting places.
You can vote anywhere.
You don't have to votein your neighborhood.
Like you can just keepgoing to voting places.
Now mind you, the penalties aresevere if you go and vote other places

(10:34):
but anybody could vote anywhere.
And all you had to do was signa paper that says, this is who
I am and this is where I live.
That's why it, I think it takes weeksand weeks and weeks in order to get all
this stuff, because it's all by hand.
I mean, it's like, it's bonkers.
So it's not in the Constitution,it goes to the States.
Actually, the Feds have verylittle say in how voting is done.

(10:54):
It is a state's rights issue.
I feel like there does need tobe some, some standards, but

Jerremy (11:02):
yeah.

Dave (11:03):
it's not in there.

Jerremy (11:04):
higher standards, better standards.
It's really fantastic just to be aware of.
I think that we all want to do better,and this is one of those very crucial
aspects to how this country is runthat just really isn't widely known.
Talked about, discussed or changed,you know, like we've been doing it the

(11:28):
same way for a very, very long time.
And to your point, like go into a garage.
Yeah, just sign this thing, man.
It's fine.
It's all good.
Believe it or not, actually gives waymore credence to like the, hey, we should
just have everyone vote argument whereit's it's not even in the constitution.
They didn't even care for it tobe that big of a deal like that.

(11:49):
That
would
be the

Dave (11:50):
That's interesting.
I'm in, yeah.
What's the history on this?
Why isn't it in there?

Jerremy (11:54):
Yeah.
Like they should just have everyonelike, I know why they did it at
the time, I get it, but sinceit's not in there, they're like.
Have everyone, like all of them.
Every single person.

Dave (12:04):
Yeah.
I think it was the white guyswho voted at the state, and then
the state representatives sentthe representatives to the feds.
That was, my seventhgrade, remembrance of this.
Okay.
Let's talk about some of ourfavorite people in our lives, phons.
Should felons be allowed to vote?
Lots of states, no.

(12:26):
They're like, Nope, you broke the law.
You're gonna have atough time getting a gun.
You're not gonna be able to vote.
And then some states, which iskind of wild, you vote in prison.
I'm like, okay, cool.
Do you have an opinion on this?

Jerremy (12:40):
In prison, no.
I do believe, and I do have an opinionon this one of those opinions are, I
think that it's very easy to classify.
Are you a felon
or.

Dave (12:49):
Yeah.

Jerremy (12:50):
Are you a prior felon?
I'm not.
You're not.
Like it's very simple togo, are you or were you

Dave (12:55):
Hey, we know that they have IDs.

Jerremy (12:58):
bro?
Oh my goodness.
Okay, so now were you a felon whogot let out early for good behavior?

Dave (13:07):
Okay.
So you're saying

Jerremy (13:08):
Again, very easy to determine, identify and verify.
If, yes, absolutely you canvote, you're a great human being.
Are you a felon that served yourentire sentence and then got out?
Did not early, just got out 'causeyou served your whatever, 35 years.
By the way, it's hard to be a felony andget out like, oh, three years in prison.

(13:29):
Like you're, it's tough.
But if you went through the entirething and didn't try to do any of the
programs like that, that again justtells me that there's the likelihood
we've studied this, the recidivismrate, the likelihood that you're gonna
go back to prison is extremely high.

Dave (13:43):
Yep.

Jerremy (13:44):
So I would say no.

Dave (13:45):
Ah, interesting.
If you've served yourtime, you're like, no.
But if you've served your time andyou've seen some rehabilitation,
you're like, yeah vote, vote away.

Jerremy (13:56):
you were able to get out early.
Like I, I just think that's a prettyeasy identification, classification where
everyone that we spoke to about thiswhole process, they did get out early,
right?
They did.
Because there are programs inplace, there is implementation
in place, there are things thatyou can do that are known about.
They're just not actively participated in.

(14:18):
And I think that's probablya very shining metric, right?
Should you be allowed tovote while you're in prison?
No.
That's a no.
That is your crime.
Hey bud, you, because not all felons.
Not every single personwho's in prison is a felon.
I don't think.
I don't believe so.
can have

Dave (14:36):
like jails.
Yeah.
Maybe we have to go back anddo the justice one again.
Interesting.
Interesting take.
I might be a little bit moreliberal on you on this one.
I am like, just because you brokelaws doesn't necessarily mean you
shouldn't be able to vote on them.
Like I, I get, hey you alsocan't have a handgun in prison.

(14:56):
So you do lose, certainthings with your freedom.
We also heard about the shenanigans withprosecutions and prosecutors and like
how, like there are plenty of people thatare serving time that shouldn't be there,
are falsely accused, there are railroads.
Like there are a lot of reasons why peopleare in prison that should not be there.

(15:18):
And.
I don't know.
I feel like they're not connected.
I feel like you should be able to vote,and I'm fine with voting in prison.
I'm like, whatever.
If you're a felon, whatever.
I don't think there shouldn'tbe, like, I don't feel like we
should keep on punishing somebodyafter they've served their time.
Like the state and the, andthe people have already said,
this is your punishment.
You've served your time.

(15:38):
Maybe not, like if probation, if you'reon probation, I, I can, I, can I get
where, like there could be some limits,like maybe not when you're inside,
maybe not when you're on probation,but if you've served your time, I
think you're welcome back to the club.
You can own guns, you can,you have freedom of speech.
You live your life.
We want you back in the community.

(15:58):
We want you back in a productivemember of society, some of our
friends that we know personally.
You're saying no voting for you.
I don't know.

Jerremy (16:08):
don't know.
I don't know any felons that wenttheir entire sentence personally.
I'm not saying that they don't exist.
I just don't know anyone personally
That I'm currently aware of.
So everyone that I'm aware of thatwent to prison, got out early.
Every single one of them.
So it's if you, so serving your,because I mean serving your time
is like generally 20, 25, 30.
Like it's a long

Dave (16:27):
Yeah.

Jerremy (16:27):
and or you're doing life because yes, everyone who is in prison,
not everyone in prison is a felon.
That is a fact.

Dave (16:34):
True.

Jerremy (16:35):
to, be a

Dave (16:36):
should be or not.

Jerremy (16:38):
But sometimes they're awaiting trial.
There can be all kinds of things,but ultimately a felons, a
relatively high level of crime
and the part about them owning gunsagain, even if they did serve their
time, to your point, I don't necessarilythink that they should get guns again.
Just 'cause it's just if you murderedsomeone with a car, I don't think you

(17:01):
should ever have a driver's license.
There are a certain level, like totake another human's life, there
should be lifelong repercussions.

Dave (17:08):
Okay.

Jerremy (17:09):
I'll never kill anybody, so

Dave (17:13):
I

Jerremy (17:13):
I,
am going to have that on anddoes kill another human being.
There should be lifelong repercussions.
That is just one of those partsabout life is hey, it sucks.
Like you're gonna havesome repercussions forever.
And
doesn't mean you can't be an amazingcitizen, but there, yeah, you can't own a
gun if you killed someone 'em with a gun.
That seems very fair to me.
Very realistic.

Dave (17:34):
All right.

Jerremy (17:35):
Yeah.
But again, just all

Dave (17:37):
I want to come back to this one.
When we do justice again, I'm eh.
I think we have to fix the justice systembefore we say that we're gonna punish.
People, life long.
We met people in prison who like hadone bad mistake one, one moment in their
lives when they were a child, and holdingthem accountable their entire life.

(17:59):
I could see that asbeing a judgment thing.
I think a judge can say, Hey, okay,you're going to jail for three years
and you're not allowed to vote for,three years after that, or the rest
of your life, or you're not allowedto drive for three years after that.
That's your probate.
Okay.
I get that.
I don't know if somebody makes one rottenmistake when they're 16 years old and

(18:19):
be like, okay, and you're donezo withmajor components of being a citizen and
the rights and privileges of a citizen.
I think, won't you serve your time?
I think you're, welcome back to thecitizen club because we want you back in.
Okay.
Enough of this.
We're talking about voting.

Jerremy (18:36):
This was part of it, right?
Should you vote in prison?

Dave (18:38):
I'm,

Jerremy (18:39):
you're a yes, and I'm a no.
And that's okay.
That's perfectly fine.

Dave (18:43):
Yeah.
Only two states, Vermont and Maine.
But you know, those arebuddies in Vermont and Maine.
God

Jerremy (18:49):
old Bernie

Dave (18:50):
Yeah.
I think we're gonna have toexplain this one ranked choice
voting and first pass the post.

Jerremy (18:58):
So rank choice voters, rank candidates in order of preference.
If no candidate wins a majority of firstchoice vote, the lowest is eliminated.
The votes are redistributeduntil a majority is achieved.

Dave (19:17):
Yeah.

Jerremy (19:18):
It reduces spoiler effects, encouraging stability, and is used
in states like Maine and Alaska.

Dave (19:25):
At California.
I at least San FranciscoI used it as well.
I don't know.
I'm a fan.
I'm reaching out to folks right now thatare, advocates on rank choice voting.
So just to describe it.
When you get a ballot and you have,like your local board or whatever that
you're voting for, you vote it in rank.

(19:45):
So you have a number one choice,number two choice, number three,
choice, number four, choice.
Now, you don't have to rank them, you canjust say, I have one choice and that's it.
But you can so if you have five peoplewho are running, which is great, I love
more choice than not, then you can rank,one through five and then it's okay.
And then we start counting until weget a majority of the population.

(20:06):
You have to get 50% plus one.
And if between the five, between themultiple, multiple candidates, you don't
have 50% plus one, then the very lastperson who was ranked last they're off.
And then you take their votesand you split them because
now you have one through four.

(20:27):
And so okay, you don'thave one through five.
And it's like, okay, if they don't make itfine number four gets lopped and they're,
you know, then they get redistributed.
Then, you know, number three, and thatmeans that, like if you voted, one
person won two and I voted somebodyto one, like those same people, like
they will get more representation.

(20:48):
And they just keep goinguntil they get 50% plus one.
And I'm like, okay, I, I dig that.
I think that's fine.
Whereas first pass the post is, uh,you know, whoever gets majority wins.

Jerremy (21:00):
Yeah.
I'm with you on that.
I think there shouldn't necessarilyjust be like a, Hey, this person won
everything, just because they had themost amount of people that came in.
For example, if everyone said, this ismy second choice, but there was enough of
them that said, this is my second choice.
And that person came first.
'cause they were the majority.
'cause everyone thought that theywere the best second person, but no
one could agree on the first best.

(21:22):
We wouldn't want that to happen.

Dave (21:24):
What I also love about it is that it gets around parties.
When I live in San Francisco,just about anybody who got enough
signatures could run for a city seat.
And I loved this you would get a littlemini phone book in the mail that had
all of the issues, all of the statementsfrom different stakeholders on, whatever

(21:45):
the issue is that you're voting on,
they explain it in normal English.
Then they have people who are for itand people who are against it, what
their positionings are and who they are.
Like, if they are like, a big giantcorporation, they actually have to
say they're a big giant corporation.
And just need a few signatures inorder to be considered a candidate.
You'd have a dozen or morepeople running for a single seat.

(22:07):
And some of 'em are lunatics.
They're like, I'm an alienand this is what I believe in.
And I loved it because there weresome legit crazy people or people just
screwing with the system because theycould, ranked choice voting means that
the left and right the Democrat andthe Republican don't necessarily win.
They like there are third partiesthat can legitimately win.

(22:30):
And the other thing, and we sawthis in New York with ranked choice
voting, that people who would bespoilers it was like, okay, I know
I'm going to be fifth on this.
They can actually endorse and they canendorse like the third choice, not the
first and the second, like the Democratand the Republican and be like, Hey, I
totally endorse, if you're voting for me,please, like rank, this guy with my vote.

(22:53):
And that means, as the votesare ranking up and up, the third
choice can totally win an election.
I'm like, oh, they, that's cool.
I dunno, what was mypoint on that Jerremy?
And did I have a point or was Ijust like talking along again?

Jerremy (23:07):
It was exciting to hear the pointless,

Dave (23:09):
We liked it.
We enjoyed it.

Jerremy (23:10):
yeah, it was nice.
It had fervor.

Dave (23:13):
There's gotta be a downside to it, but I don't know what it is.
I am reaching out to folks who arelike all for this, and then some
people are like, I don't know.
This can be game two.

Jerremy (23:21):
Oh yeah.
It all can be gamed one, likethat's the cool part about game
theory is once you know the
rules, you can always make adjustmentsand tweaks and optimizations on anything
that you want to create the exact thatyou want to or best case scenario.
But yeah, man, this is gonna be areally fun conversation to continue
have and to just bring otherpeople and bring other guests on.
Just kinda get their thoughtsand their perspectives and

(23:42):
what you and I are gonna do.
Probably the thing that we'll enjoy themost is Hey, we're gonna have, we're gonna
go on this topic about voting, right?
Because there's so many aspectsto it that we've already covered
in just our discussion, right?
We've got like 17 different things.
Already.
And so just to drill down and figureout which one that we, we see as unique
and opportunistic and available andchangeable and solvable and fixable.

(24:06):
And also something that a lotof people know a lot about.
We start interviewing too manypeople about electoral college.
Unless it's seven people that have studiedthis their whole lives, they're not gonna
know very much information about it.

Dave (24:17):
Before we wrap up and we are at wrap up time on this one.
I want to lock this in because wealways evolve at the end of this.
Do you believe that the UnitedStates has a voting problem
and that it's a big problem?

Jerremy (24:33):
I definitely do.
Without a question.
Without a question.
It's big enough where,I mean, that was the.
It was a 20, 20 20 election.
That was 95% of Trump's argumentwas that the voting was manipulated.
That he had a bunch of mail-invoting fraudulence that changed the

(24:57):
outcome of a presidential election.
That to me, has been going on forever.
Like the whole, like obviouslyTrump is a crybaby and is gonna
fight anything that doesn't goagainst exactly what his ego wants.

Dave (25:09):
Yeah.

Jerremy (25:09):
However, the fact that he was aware and everyone's talking
about the mail-in vote fraud and allthe different things that people are
doing or could do or could have done,was over there thinking to myself,
wow, we had that many mail-in votes.

Dave (25:24):
it was also COVID, right?
It was deep COVID.

Jerremy (25:27):
I get it.
But again, we were doingeverything on our phone like.

Dave (25:31):
yeah,

Jerremy (25:32):
We didn't want to even try to solve the problem then with, no one
wanted to think about this ahead of time.
Like we again, yeah,we were in a pandemic.
There was so much going on.
No one tried to solve that issue.
We're just, we're doing the same thing wedid in the seventies with mail-in voting.
And then, yeah it was, it is a problem.
It's a problem that needs to be addressed.

(25:52):
It needs to be optimized because Ialso here's the biggest problem, Dave.
The biggest problem about allof it is the amount of people in
this country that do not vote.

Dave (26:02):
Yep.

Jerremy (26:02):
That's the biggest

Dave (26:03):
60 or

Jerremy (26:05):
I think you've addressed a few reasons why,

Dave (26:07):
Yeah.

Jerremy (26:08):
but it's about 130 million people who do not vote.
And believe it or not, that's probablyone of my main focuses as going into my
presidency election, is I educated forover a decade large swaths of human beings
about how to invest, how to make money.

(26:30):
How to properly grow their accountsand create more income with money.
I believe that this podcast, thisinformation, this discernment, will
also help bring in tens of millionsof people who have never voted before
because they're not voting becauseof other reasons, not, Hey, I don't,

(26:51):
I'm not voting 'cause I can't, Idon't have an id, I don't have a
license, I don't have enough money.
I can't get outta my house.
I think there's definitely, toyour point, there's definitely
that percentage, maybe it's 10%.
If you have 10% of 130 million peoplewho don't vote, that's 13 million.
That's still a hundred millionpeople plus that just do not
vote because they don't want to.
And that's really ultimately ahuge target market for myself.

(27:14):
Is because I feel like that's justa glaring, glaring problem and
they're probably not voting 'causethey don't think that it matters.
They don't think that it counts.
It's not easy, it's notsimple, it's not fast, it's not
countable, it's not reliable.
They don't know why.
They don't know who.
They don't know what they're voting for.
They don't have the outline,they don't have the information.
And so that I think ultimately isprobably the big state of the problem.

Dave (27:35):
I'm on the fence on whether or not there's barriers to participation.
We need to fix theparticipation side of this.
I think there's a lot of people who don'tvote because they don't believe that their
representation in their vote matters.
And so, like my number onething, the one that sings to my
heart is this gerrymandering.
It's like nobody's, you know, like.
People aren't payingattention to my issue.

(27:56):
Why would I vote?
It doesn't seem to ever make a difference.
So I like things like rank choice voting.
I like things like gerrymanderingreform or representation reform.
And then, you know, like my third iselection integrity and voter id and
like, like making sure that it's like,and you know, as much as Trump has

(28:18):
complained about 2020, you know, theyshot themselves in the own foot because
they said don't mail in vote votes.
Like if, if he had just said mail invotes and he hadn't been all over that,
that he might very well have won again.
And in fact, this last election,they had a huge ground game
that included mail-in voting.
I mean, that happened in the swing states.

(28:38):
That was Elon Musk's big thing wasto make sure people were registered
that they could vote anyway.
So like I, I think, uh, you and Imight be unified on the problem.
Yes, it's a big problem.
We might be on different sidesof the coin, and be like, my most
important things are, representation.
You have, more of a mindset onthe front end and the reform.

(29:01):
And I think they're both important.
I, so it's very, like mine are1, 2, 3, yours are 1, 2, 3.
If we did rank choice voting yeah.
Like for instance I love theidea of having a national
holiday voting on weekends.

Jerremy (29:14):
Oh

Dave (29:15):
national holidays for ev we have national holidays for things
that I have to look up, right?
What is this?
Let's definitely have a national holiday,make sure everybody, can vote and then
go have a barbecue or a winter celebrate

Jerremy (29:28):
Great idea.
I've heard in a long time,

Dave (29:30):
Thanksgiving, then you go, yes.
We'll tack it on to Thanksgiving.
So you have Wednesday off, to bothget your cranberries and vote.
And then, Thursday, Friday,is your Thanksgiving.
So yeah.
That's, that's that.
I think, like Australia, theyhave 90 plus percent and they,
man, it's man voting is mandatory.
And I don't know how thatwould fly in the United States.

(29:51):
I'm actually for it.
It's mandatory.
And if you don't, then youget this like small fine.
And I think it was like ahundred bucks not everybody even
has access to a hundred bucks.
So then it can be waived prettyeasily by your, it's yeah.
It's if you really can't afford this,we're not gonna send you to voter jail.
But it's just and they have a

Jerremy (30:11):
Exactly.
That's how I would, yeah.
I would say it is as mandatoryas, do you drink water?
If you don't, you can survivewithout drinking water

Dave (30:18):
You can drink Coke.

Jerremy (30:20):
It's fine.
It's okay.
But,
Yeah, I, it would be, that's if I evermade voting in the US mandatory, it'd be
to that degree where it's it's mandatory.

Dave (30:28):
And you get

Jerremy (30:29):
Yeah.
a day

Dave (30:30):
day off,

Jerremy (30:31):
I like this plan,

Dave (30:32):
Yeah.
Alright, my friend.
Wrap us up.

Jerremy (30:35):
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