Why 80% of Undocumented Immigrants Have Been Here 10+ Years (Full)

You think the immigration crisis is new? Wrong. 80% of undocumented immigrants have been here over ten years. Jerremy Alexander Newsome and Dave Conley kick off the series exposing how broken the system really is—economic winners and losers, bipartisan legislative failures, birthright citizenship myths, packed detention centers, and why foreign policy keeps fueling the flow. No slogans, just cold facts and sharp takes you won’t hear on cable.

Timestamps:

• (00:00) Immigration Series Intro – the stat that flips the whole debate
• (00:49) America’s Real Immigration Problem – setting the stage
• (01:18) Current State of the Border – numbers vs. headlines
• (01:54) Economic & Demographic Impacts – who actually pays, who profits
• (05:11) Historical Context – this isn’t the first “crisis”
• (08:25) Personal Stories – human side hits harder than stats
• (09:38) Policies & Political Games – both parties’ hands are dirty
• (19:19) Proposed Fixes – teaser for the series
• (31:23) US Foreign Policy Critique – why we keep creating refugees
• (38:48) Immigration Courts & Detention Nightmare – backlog from hell
• (43:04) Investment Visas – legal path for the rich only
• (48:09) Birthright Citizenship Debate – constitutional showdown
• (53:58) Wrap-up & Call to Action – stick around, it gets spicier

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Episode Transcript

Alex (00:00):
On Solving America’s Problems, Jerremy and Dave just uncovered one stat
that stops you cold — four out of fiveundocumented immigrants in the U.S. have
already lived here more than ten years.
[thoughtful] These aren’t fresh bordercrossers sneaking in last night.
They’re your neighbors, yourcoworkers, the guy who’s fixed your

(00:21):
roof since 2012, the mom droppingkids at the same school as yours.
And right now the system treatsthem exactly the same as someone
who hopped the fence yesterday.
Almost four million cases are stacked inimmigration courts, each judge juggling
OVER four thousand five hundred files,five-year waits just to get a hearing…

(00:43):
Jerremy and Dave stare straightat that mess — and ask the
question nobody else will touch…

Jerremy (00:50):
Dave Conley, we're gonna go behind the scenes for
solving America's problems.

Dave (00:55):
Yeah.

Jerremy (00:55):
To look a little bit into how we are going to.
Potentially the mostcomplex subject to date.

Dave (01:02):
Mm-hmm.

Jerremy (01:03):
With so many different thesises and one that we are also not directly
impacted by, nor have we been a part of,nor have we could have been a part of.
And that's immigration.
Mm-hmm.
We're gonna be discussing it,talking about it, diving into it.
But these episodes really stemfrom the recent episode that we had

(01:23):
catching everyone up on the currentstate of affairs of the world.
And one of those big issues was ice.
And of course the huge LA raids and riotsthat occurred over the immigration thesis.
That's happening right now.
And what we do know is the UnitedStates Immigration System is
experiencing unprecedented strainwith over 3.7 million, so almost

(01:45):
4 million pending court cases.
And a president who isextremely big on border control.
That coupled with one of the thingsI think a lot of people probably
overlook or maybe overlook, I'm notright the exact term, but immigrants
definitely add a humongous portionto our gross domestic product.

(02:11):
8.9, not million, not billion trillion tothe top line of the GDP of America, Dave.
So now we're talking balancing thehumanitarian point of it, balancing the
actual balance sheet part of it, and justdiscussing the humanistic standpoint.
That is gonna be immigration.
This is gonna be a big one for us tocover, and it's gonna be a multifaceted

(02:33):
multier episode that people are gonnareally absolutely fall in love with.

Dave (02:37):
I think this one's an easy one to say, look, this is super polarized.
Can we back up from this andbe like, okay, you know, like
there's a lot of opinions.
There's a lot of data, there'sa lot of, you know, like people
who are dug in on both sides.
And it's, I think it's really importantwhen we're looking at the problems.
One is, hey, nobody's lookingat immigration saying,

(02:59):
Hey, this is working great.
Mm-hmm.
And this is also not one of thosethings where it's solved with
executive orders and deportations.
It's solved with like reallegislation, real practices, real
things that we don't talk about.
And also just understanding itfrom those three key components.

(03:19):
Like there's a hugeeconomic piece of this.
There's also like a demographic pieceof this, you know, like we're not making
enough babies in the United States andwe, you know, a society's only going
to survive if it has enough, you know,young people supporting the old people.
Unlike like Japan, which hasbeen, cratering or China or

(03:40):
You know, like these arecountries in crisis because they
don't have enough young people.
So we, we need to have it.
And also the talent that comes on board,you know, all of the stem folks that
come over both, you know, documented,under documented, that's the thing.
And then balancing thesecurity aspect of it.
This, which is really important.
It's like if somebody's coming in, wejust wanna know who you are, right?

(04:01):
Mm-hmm.
And like, you know, so if we can reallykind of tease these things apart.
A, pour some water on the rhetoric andbe like, okay, now we understand what the
problems are and now onto the solutions.

Jerremy (04:16):
Yeah.
So tell people a little bit about,as you started building kind of the
framework for myself and yourself onnot only research, but conversations
that we're gonna have with some amazing,incredible people in the future.
How did you start and how didyou build the framework around
this incredibly polarizing topic?

Dave (04:34):
Well, I think, I mean, this goes back to a little bit of behind
the scenes, you know, before we startany of these topics, whether it's
homelessness or debt or school orsafety, any of these things, what we
start with is a whole lot of research.
So like, what's going on out there?
Because I don't know,you're not an expert.

(04:56):
I'm not an expert.
You know, there's a few things that we areexpert in, but it's none of these topics.
So, for instance, with immigrationwe're staring at like a 14 page brief
that I put together, and it covers asmany things as that I could think of.
It's the key statistics,it's the history of this.
I mean, I didn't understandthe history of immigration.

(05:17):
Like it goes back to beforethere was a country and it's been
poked at, you know, likeevery 10 or 20 years.
And, and we keep on poking at it, butit goes, it, you know, like there's a
huge foundation in the United States.
Like we, you know, likewhat was this all about?
So yep.
This huge historical context andthen sort of like the recent history,

(05:38):
basically like the last 25 years,what have the president's done?
Mm-hmm.
What are, you know, what are themajor legislation, if any, you
know, like what, what has beenlike, the big, big pieces with that.
Then overall, what the problem is,and that's like the core of it.
Like what is the problem thatwe're actually looking at?
And then what are the solutions, notjust the ones that are proposed, but

(06:00):
the solutions that have been triedsometimes in the United States, like
we do have some things that are workingright now, which surprised me, but
also what are other countries doing?
Like, like there are so many countriesthat are struggling with immigration and
there's a lot of experiments out there.
I think, you know, we think thatwe have to reinvent the wheel

(06:22):
over and over and over again, andthat's just, that is not the case.
But we're also looking at asystem that nobody is saying,
Hey, this is, this is working.
So it's like, okay, what doeswork and can we build on that?
Definitely also looking at what thecontroversies are, what the divides
are, what are the things where thereis like a lot of energy, like border

(06:44):
walls or the dreamers or asylumseekers, sanctuary cities, all of that.
So like where, where is there like, likethis, where is there energy around things?
And then also understanding whatpeople don't know about this.
You know, like what are the, whatare sort of like the mysteries
of this that people don't like?
You know, one of myfavorite ones, uh, was that.

(07:08):
That most undocumented or, you know,illegal aliens, undocumented, however
you wanna describe people who are, areoverstaying visas or coming into the
nation without, you know, without avisa or without any kind of information.
Four outta five of those folkshave lived here for over 10 years.
These people are already here,they're in our communities.

(07:31):
They're not just recent border crossers.
They have been here andthey're part of our lives.
So it's like, oh, you know, like, wereally want to take a look at this
systemically as solutions of notlike, okay, let's deport them all.
Also know that you're deportingfamilies and like there's gotta be
this humanitarian aspect of this.
It's not just that.
So that's what we start with.
That's what you get.

(07:52):
Sometimes actually our guestsget this as well, so that we can
have more vibrant communications,talks about what's going on.
That's the behind the scenesand that's what we're doing
this week is sort of laying out.
Some of the information that we areinterested in, some of the things that we
are gonna explore, and some of the peoplethat we want to talk with on this, whether

(08:13):
it's policy, people or, recent immigrants,maybe even undocumented or illegal aliens,
whoever we can get around this to reallyexplore this and explore their things.

Jerremy (08:24):
Yeah.
So on that kind of general topic, Dave,earlier you mentioned the word problem,
which is what we do in this podcast.
Do you feel Trump was the firstpresident in recent decades to
take a very, uh, what's the word?
Overwhelming stance on immigration, andhe also proposed a very tactical solution.

(08:49):
I'm not calling it a workable solution.
I'm saying this is a solution to him.
A k the wall.
In your recent memory, wasthis the first person to really
take that type of a stance?

Dave (09:00):
He took, or he takes a very energetic stance, right?
Like there's a lot of energy behind whathe's saying, and it's not positive, right?
Mm-hmm.
You know?
Mm-hmm.
When he came down the escalator in2016 he pitched this as, these are the
problems you're having and these are thepeople that are causing those problems.

(09:23):
You know, it's an us versus them.
And that is very polarizing, right?
And that puts people very much on edge.
And that is pretty much the firsttime in, you know, like our living
history where that's happened.
It is not the case in theUnited States that has actually
happened many other times.

(09:45):
Back to the colonial era,
there was like this reallike, oh no, no, no, no, no.
You know, like we are going to.
Make sure that it is only thesekind of people like, um mm-hmm.
Mid 19th century, basically we're saying,okay, no Chinese people not allowed.
Mm-hmm.
But we would allow like a hugenumber of Europeans, right?

(10:06):
We had 14 million people that came inin 40 years, which is actually more than
what we've seen in the last 10, 15 years.
Like, it's a huge number.
It was 15% of the US population.
And then, uh, in the 20th century,again, long before we were born,
there was a real bias against SouthernEuropeans or eastern Europeans.

(10:32):
Like they were, they were like, oh, no,no, no, we're not gonna have any of this.
And they actually shut down immigrationstarting in about 19 20, 19 24,
which I didn't realize, but like,there wasn't a lot of immigration
between the twenties and the eighties.
Like there was this 60 year period.
Where not much happened.
We did actually allow a lotof Mexican laborers to come

(10:54):
in because we needed labor.
And, but outside of that there was,it was a real small number and it
really was, it was quite prejudicial,you know, like it was a lot of like,
oh no, no, we're not doing that.
Changed in the eighties.
And, and this is, I have some memory ofthis, and I wanted to ask you about this.
Because I, this is how I sort of have,you know, my thinking about immigration.

(11:17):
It happened where I was, you know,like how I grew up and where I grew up.
Uh, and I wanted to get your, yourvibe on things like what was it like
you, when you were growing up, likewhat was your view of immigration?
Did you have a sense of it, youknow, like where, where, where were
sort of the beginnings of Jerremynewsom's thinking on immigration?

Jerremy (11:37):
Sure.
It really wasn't a issue, topicor really overall thought for me.

Dave (11:42):
Yeah.

Jerremy (11:42):
Growing up in Georgia, I would say probably the number
one politically divisive topic wasprobably more racism than immigration.
Um, because what was interesting is inGeorgia where I grew up, immigration
was very welcomed isn't the right word,probably swept under the rug because

(12:04):
they're like, Hey, we have a lot of jobs

Dave (12:06):
Yeah.

Jerremy (12:06):
That we need, or I shouldn't say we need, they really
want cheap labor for, right?
And it was like, oh, well,let's give cheap labor to
immigrants or illegal aliens.
And that was very common, verypopular in the farms, right?
Picking watermelons, picking peanuts,doing extremely hard construction work.

(12:29):
Uh, very, very often was.
Immigrants, and I didn't know ifthey were illegal or not, but again,
most of the farmers or owners of theland or owners of the construction
companies, they didn't really care.

Dave (12:40):
Yeah.

Jerremy (12:41):
So that's how I kind of saw it.
And so I guess subconsciously, if wehad to dive deeper, my thought would've
been, Hey, immigration, even if it isillegal, is probably perfectly normal.
As long as we get them jobsand we get them working.
Like that's probablygonna help the economy.
And so I think that was probably asubconscious belief that I had and

(13:02):
probably still have, where it's like,listen, is there a better way to do it?
Yes.
But they're gonna have people that, Hey,you want the Big American cool dream?
Amazing.
That dream is probably gonna be,initiated somehow by a lot of work.
And so if you want a lot of work,we're gonna give you access to that.
So if you come here looking for jobs,looking for opportunity, looking

(13:24):
for employment, hey, guess what?
We got tons of it.

Dave (13:26):
Yeah.

Jerremy (13:27):
And I think that is probably.
A way to inject excitementinto this world.
And at the same time, you mentionedearlier the solution of, okay,
cool, so how do we do that?

Dave (13:41):
Mm-hmm.

Jerremy (13:41):
Um, that was really kind of my upbringing.
What about yours?

Dave (13:45):
So I grew up just outside of Washington DC and it was a real
turning point in immigration actually.
There was a lot of stuff happeningaround Vietnam at the time.
There was a big humanitarian crisis andwe had, what was called boat people.
A lot of churches got together withpoliticians and be like, oh my God.

(14:07):
We have all these boat peopleand 'cause they were primarily
Christians actually fleeing poverty.
And there was droughts and all, you know,like huge things that were going on.
I mean, they'd just gotten outtathe Vietnam War and now they were
having humanitarian crisis anda lot of 'em were Christians.
And so a lot of the churches in theUnited States actually like, were
pounding on the doors of, particularlyRepublicans and Reagan to be like, oh

(14:32):
my God, we've gotta rescue these folks.
And so they did.
And the State Department scoopedup tens of thousands of Vietnamese,
and they dropped them in threeplaces in the United States.
One of them was in Los Angeles,the other one was Houston, Texas.

(14:53):
And, the third one was.
Right outside where I livedin Falls Church, Virginia.
And in fact, falls Church still has oneof the largest Vietnamese populations in
the United States, outside of Vietnam.
To this day, my comfortfood is Vietnamese food.
Every time I'm back in DC I'm like,I'm going for Vietnamese food.
I love it.
Right.
And so my friends, a lotof them were Vietnamese.

(15:15):
And then just down the roadin Annandale, Virginia, there
was a huge Korean population.
You know, they had had the war in thefifties, but they'd also, uh, lived in
sort of like this strange, like communistsort of like disaster in South Korea.
You know, South Korea being ademocracy is actually pretty new.
I, you know, I don't think alot of people realize that.

(15:37):
And so a lot of refugees from Korea cameand they were deposited again by the
State Department in Annandale, Virginia.
And then outside of that, not a lotof, um, Mexican laborers but a lot of
people from other nations in Centraland South America, a lot of Honduras, a

(15:58):
lot of Venezuelan, uh, some Brazilian.
So like, it wasn't alot of, of, of Mexican.
Like what, what you would, you know,see in, in Texas or in California.
The south.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Mainly in the south.
But it wasn't like an agrarian area.
It was the suburbs.
Right.
And here's what was nuts again,this is a history that I don't

(16:18):
think a lot of people realize.
All these Vietnamese come into theUnited States and with a stroke of a
pen, a fine Republican, Ronald Reaganmade tens of thousands of Vietnamese.
Instant citizens.
I mean, instant like, just signedand said you're an American.
That was pretty much myupbringing because, you know,

(16:39):
DC was incredibly multicultural.
I was surrounded by, you know,people that weren't like me.
You know, like a lot of Vietnamese,a lot of Korean, a lot of Asian, and
DC being very, you know, just likeeverybody's from everywhere else.
And that really was my thinkingaround, like, it wasn't a thing.
It just like people existed.

(17:00):
And you know, like looking athow polarizing it is today, I
didn't grow up with any of that.
You know, everybody was just there.
And like, there was plenty of work.
Like it was an abundance thing, youknow, it's like there was plenty of
work you know, like, particularly theVietnamese and the Koreans as a population
they, they really fundamentally changedNorthern Virginia, which was like this,

(17:21):
sleepy little, slightly southern, part
of Washington DC completely transformedit into like, a lot of stores, a lot of
entrepreneurship, you know, just, it just,it completely changed the fabric of the
area and made it really amazing actually.
I mean, to this day Ilove going through there.
It's like, it's a really specialpart of the United States.

(17:44):
And so that was, that was sortof my foundation, which was
like these folks are just here.
And by the way to this day, you know,some of the most patriotic people I
know, because a lot of folks that becameinstant US citizens, because it was
Washington DC and it was a company town,a lot of them joined the government.
And so when I joined the government30 years later, I was surrounded

(18:07):
by Koreans and Vietnamese.
Yeah.
Uh, who had now been in thegovernment and their parents had
been in the government for, 40 years.
And I'm like, okay, this is awesome.
So, you know, my viewswere always very positive.
Uh, you know, there wasn't, youknow, sort of an underclass.
I'd say it changed, you know, I leftDC I think, uh, 10, 15 years ago now.

(18:30):
And what was really clear was andactually a lot of people in the
government got in trouble for this,which was hiring people under the table.
And so, like, can you imaginelike, this was the thing that got
a politician, like, ousted or likea senior executive out, right.
Because they, they had a, they hada nanny or they had somebody who was
like mowing their lawn who was likeundocumented their pan under the table.

(18:54):
You know, like that was the thingthat would ruin people's careers.
Now, you know, not so much.
So like, there really is, underneath now,this world of people who just work under
the table, which is now one of my issues.
And I think we can talk about that maybenext of what are the problems that we see,
you know, like now they, this was my, myfoundation was like, hey this is awesome.

(19:16):
And that's evolved.

Jerremy (19:18):
Yep.
I think the problems I hearabout presently in the media.
And I think a lot of the listeners,you know, we have a very, very
culturally diverse group of listeners.
Very large audience I wouldalso say is they probably feel
or see from media drugs, right?
Like, sure.
This is the, that's how most ofthe drugs come into this country.

(19:41):
Now, my opinion is that it's not.
Immigrants that bring in drugs.
It is drug runners thatbring in drugs, right?
Like, it's not the mom and dad from,Poland that want to come to the US or
Mexico or Honduras or Chile that want tocome to the US and they do it illegally.

(20:02):
They're not bringing drugs, right?
Yeah.
They want to get here and they want allthe greatness that America provides.
Now, I think, can we have differentborder restrictions and should we really,
really be careful about who we let injust because it's a nation and there
should be some level of due process.

(20:22):
Sure.
But we gotta remember alittle bit of history, right?
The reason that there are.
Tens of millions of Mexicans in Californiais because California used to be Mexico.
Right?
Like we, and that like, they'rejust, they're home really.
We went over there and waslike, yeah, it's ours now,

(20:43):
you know, in the 18 hundreds.
And so like, talk to people love, justlike, no, they can't come over here.
I'm like, we took it from them guys.
So you gotta, but that's the truth, right?
That there's a lot of those littlecomponents that people love to kind
of just slip around and forget about.
And I think the ironic part of that, Dave,is California as a state is like the, if

(21:08):
it was a country, it would be like the53rd most wealthy country in the world.
It adds, I think $4 trillion to thegross domestic product of us by itself.
Yeah.
And a lot of people arelike, california sucks.
My thought is it can simply be better.
It's not that it sucks.

(21:29):
Yeah.
It's like it can just becomebetter than it is now.
So the documentation process and the,the awareness process for me, I'm
almost like, listen guys, I thinkmost politicians really do a great
job of providing scarcity basedmentality to the American public.

(21:50):
And that scarcity based mentalityis we don't have enough land.
They're taking all of our land.
They're taking all of our jobs.

Dave (21:59):
Yeah.

Jerremy (21:59):
We gotta keep the immigrants out and they're bringing in all these drugs.
Right.
Where my version, much more abundant, muchlarger mindset is I. We have so much land.
It's crazy.
Mm-hmm.
First of all have you seen Utah?
Like we have so much land.
I mean we're, Nevada, California, Arizona.

(22:22):
I'm in Tennessee right now.
There's, there's acreageseverywhere for sale.
Lots of jobs.

Dave (22:26):
Lots

Jerremy (22:26):
of land.
We got lots of land.
So much land.
Yeah.
We have so much opportunityfor building, for construction,
for new creations to happen.
I think it's like, listen, open it up,and come up with a really cool process.
Say, Hey, listen, we can haveas many immigrants as we want.
Bring them in.
Yeah, but let's get 'em documented.
Let's make them citizens and wecan sign on the dotted line where

(22:49):
someone a really beautiful, well-paid,well-trained representative, gives
them the ability to stamp and say,Hey, you just passed the test.
Which is, I think reasonable.
Man, like if you come tothe US to live here sure.
Pass some level of tests, somelevel of, basic knowledge, basic
education slash ba, basic language.

(23:09):
Go through that, oh, now you're a citizen.
Awesome.
And now you can pay taxes, right?
That's really what thecountry wants or needs.
And, and I think, man, looking atsome of these numbers the economic
impact, immigration can add 9 trillionto the GDP 2024 to 2034, right?
Over that decade, 1.2trillion in federal taxes.
Yeah, they could cut deficits by900 billion Immigrants currently

(23:33):
pay 652 billion in taxes yearly,including almost a hundred billion
from undocumented immigrants.
You find a really good flat tax,which again, I'm kind of a huge fan
of everyone pays this amount done.
Don't worry about the IRS anymore.
Oh, you're alive.
Cool.
You pay this amount.
High five.
If you're making 30,000,300,000 or 30 million, you pay

(23:53):
this amount, Hey, high five.
There's no way to get around it.
There's no way to, buydepreciation or have write offs.
It's like, nope you'rean American citizen.
You pay this amount.
So now that, that collective revenueis incredible among immigrants, and
again, I just think we just have a,a much better due process because I'm
really, truthfully, in my personalopinion of the world, not afraid.
I'm not afraid 'cause that's whatbuilt dude, that's what built America.

(24:16):
Like if you do any level of history,any level, our railroads, Manhattan,
built by immigrants, right?
Our entire transportation system outto the Midwest, built by immigrants.
Like we have so much of this countryto think directly to those that
flooded this nation from travelingbecause of what we can be and how big.

(24:39):
And how expansive it was.
I mean, shoot, dude, wecame here as immigrants.

Dave (24:42):
Yeah,

Jerremy (24:43):
We came over here, you know, good old stories of Mayflower,
christopher Columbus we camehere and, and forged our own way.
So I think there's a, I think there'sa better way to approach this.
I think there's some type of reallyinteresting solution, and I'm not
the whole, oh man, America, theimmigrants are bringing in drugs.
It's like, no dude, immigrantsaren't bringing in drugs.

(25:03):
Drug people are bringing drugs.
They're coming here and leaving here andit's not the immigrants that are bringing,

Dave (25:10):
well, I want to tease that apart a little bit because it
goes to some of my feelings onundocumented or illegal aliens.
I guess one of the things I havea problem with is this system of.
The drug cartels gettingpeople into the United States.
They make billions of dollars gettingpeople into the US and then these

(25:36):
folks become indentured servants.
They have to send money to thecartel every single month, or bad
things happen to their families.
Mm-hmm.
I mean, this is human trafficking.
You can't go very long here insouth Florida about, another

(25:58):
prostitution ring, broken up.
And you know, the human sufferingthat is around the undocumented
aspect of this is insanity.
And I think it causes a lot of.
I, I mean, I, I, I think that thatis a moral, a moral imperative
to be like, okay, look, youcan't come in the United States.

(26:20):
You are going to be deported.
This is a line in the sand.
Because what this does iscreates this underclass of people
That are, subject to the most violent,extreme, awful human beings on the planet.
And then they're essentially put intoslave labor here in the United States.

(26:40):
That's the other side of this, whichis I don't get how American companies
and that includes, farm corporations,that includes construction companies.
Like, like I don't, Ilook, I don't get it right.
I mean, if you are working a fairjob in the United States, you
should be getting a fair wage and.

(27:02):
Yeah, we shouldn't be paying peopleless money because they're undocumented
or saying, Hey, we're going to,turn you over to ice if you demand,
basic benefits or a living wage,
these are people who are providingtremendous value to the United
States and to you and I, but it'sartificially keeping wages low when

(27:23):
they should be making great moneyand I got a big issue with that.
Human trafficking, prostitution,underclass, not getting,

Jerremy (27:32):
think the underclass that we should figure out is just
the criminals, dude, that's it.
There's gotta be a really,really great way to bifurcate
and distinguish who's here.
'cause they want to be here and they'rereally doing their best to add to the
world and add to America as a positive.

Dave (27:48):
Yeah.

Jerremy (27:48):
Or those who are here to be negligent.
There is definitely a way to distinguishthat and to just deep, oh, you're here and
you didn't get your stamp of approval yet.
You haven't gotten your green card.
We, it's gonna deport you.

Dave (28:01):
Yeah.

Jerremy (28:02):
And it doesn't matter who you are.
I, you know, I kind of really likedthe, um, and I forget the exact name
and I apologize if I mess it up,but like, I think it was under Obama
when if you're Cuban and you madeit to the beach, touch the sand.
You're, you got it right.
Hey, good job.
You survived.
You made it right in Florida.

Dave (28:21):
Was and

Jerremy (28:21):
cu was that way.

Dave (28:22):
No.
George W.

Jerremy (28:23):
Bush did that one.
Yep.
You know, and I kind of think inthat perspective where it's like,
Hey, the prize is to live here.
If you get here, and we can easily,like we build centers, just like you
have military recruitment centers, youhave immigration centers all across the
country, because I've never seen one.
This might be pure ignorance andI'm just a moron, but driving around

(28:44):
than any other city I've never seen,oh, here's an immigration center.
They're, they're not just places wherelike, Hey, you wanna come to America?
Cool.
You got here.
However you got here, I don'tknow how you got here, but come
here, fill out these forms, take atest, get a green card, well done.
Go pay your taxes.
Mm-hmm.
And those are people that are not going,99% of them are not going to be criminals.

(29:05):
That's like saying, oh, we should deportall of them because they're illegal.
It's like the amount of people that arein the US that are illegal, documented,
born here, bred here, people thatterrorize people and commit murders
is probably just as high as whatever.
Someone from a different country did it.
So you can't just stipulate anyone who'sillegal alien is automatically a murderer.

(29:27):
I think that's, I think that'san insane propagandist piece
that was thrown out there.

Dave (29:33):
I hear you.
And I also, what are thecauses of all this immigration?
Because we're talking about,you know, like there's about a
million people, and it's beenabout the same for about 50 years.
About a million people come intothe United States, quote unquote,
legally, they have green cards.
They, you know, either lottery orthey're sponsored by a business
and, you know, they have a marriage.
And then, you know, like that'swhat I'm exploring right now.

(29:55):
And because the laws are so byzantineand haven't been really been touched
in like 30 years, you know, I need alawyer in order to help figure this out.
You know, it's not simple,but when I think about it.
There's a reason, there'sa push and a pull.
There's, you know, like there's issuesgoing on in a person's home country.

(30:16):
There may not be economic opportunity.
It may be violent, it may be, unstable.
And, you know, like here in South Florida,you know, huge number of folks from
Haiti, from Cuba, and from Venezuela.
I mean, it's massive, right?
Those countries are in pretty badshape directly because of the stuff

(30:37):
that the United States has done,like, you know, the French and the
United States have been, shaking.
Haiti for the better part of 120 years.
Venezuela has had, so many issues.
I think we've toppled thatgovernment one or two times.
Uh, who knows?
Like, we have had it, you know, undersome sort of, uh, economic restrictions
for as long as I can remember.

(30:59):
And, uh, you know, Cuba is Cuba.
Like we, I've been to Cubaand like we've had our foot on
the neck of that country for.
Since the 1950s, since waybefore, you and I were born.
And so like, there's a reason whypeople are leaving their countries.
And in some stance I'm thinking likeI wouldn't wanna leave my country, you

(31:21):
know, like, it's my country, right?
Mm-hmm.
And like, if those countries were amazing.
Nobody would be wanting to even come here.
I mean, isn't there something to besaid that the policies of the United
States should be like, okay, not only isit like make America great again, it's
also make Venezuela great again and,you know, stop like throwing it down a
flight of stairs or make Cuba great again.

(31:42):
You know, like, these countries justbecause we don't like the governments,
it's like we deal with countries that haveterrible governments all over the planet.
Like Saudi Arabia is not like abastion of human rights, you know?
Like it is not a good place.
Right.
And yet, you know, like we're all sunnyabout Saudi Arabia and it's like, it is
not, I'll probably get some hate mailfor this, but Saudi Arabia is, is very

(32:05):
low on the human rights world, right?
Correct.
Oh yeah.
But like, we're all thumbs up.
Right?
We could be doing the same with thosecountries in our own hemisphere.
And like, I don't get that, youknow, like, maybe this isn't an
immigration thing, it's a, stopscrewing with other countries thing.

Jerremy (32:22):
What do you think?
Yeah, very well could be like, youknow, beefing up the essentially
ambassadors or the Secretary of State orother aspects of where we can, I don't
know, teach other governments, right.
Help give them guidance, help teachthem how to think, play, construct,
build, liberalize, theorize, create,make opportunities, uh, rather than

(32:48):
continually punishing citizens.
'cause yeah, everyone'scoming here, right?
Honduras doesn't really have ahuge immigration problem and it
has a bunch of countries around it.
Brazil isn't facing ahuge immigration problem.
It's got a bunch ofcountries bordering it.

Dave (33:04):
Yeah.

Jerremy (33:05):
We only have really two.
Mexico and Canada, and, Canadiansdon't flood down here either.

Dave (33:11):
Mm-hmm.

Jerremy (33:11):
So we also have to kind of think about like, all right, well
the countries that are coming here,is there a way to your point, right?
Is there a way that we can work withthem weekly, monthly, quarterly, to say,
Hey, listen, your country kind of sucks.
Like, is there a way that youguys can figure it out where
everyone doesn't leave in droves?

Dave (33:27):
Let's stop invading with, uh, with government, contractors with guns
and start invading with Coca-Cola.
Mm-hmm.
And let, mm-hmm.
Let's, let's, you know, let'slet's get great American
businesses in these countries.
Yeah.
Um,
Creating jobs and, making sure thatfolks do have a good standard of
living and that, you know, like we,we, we have, we have overturned most

(33:48):
of the governments in Central andSouth America over the last hundred
years, and it hasn't worked out well,
I'm of a proponent ofinvading economically.
That's what I think we should do.

Jerremy (33:58):
It's fascinating.
I think ultimately one of the really,really cool solutions that I'm
very fascinated to dig into is justgonna be the border thing, right?
Like, that's, that's the one thattrump's like, Hey, I don't think
a lot of people are gonna do it.
They haven't really brought it up.
I mean, Obama was big on immigration.
Some people, people love paintingObama as this, like super peaceful.

Dave (34:20):
Oh no.

Jerremy (34:21):
Crazy loving.
He did everything correct, kinda.
He,

Dave (34:25):
he was actually called the deporter in chief.
He, that I know, dude, a lot of people.
He deported,

Jerremy (34:30):
he kicked out all kinds of people.

Dave (34:31):
He deported more people than any other president in modern history.
Like period.
Yeah.
I mean, like, it was crazy.
It was like 5 million people.
Actually.
George w he, he did 10.3 millionand Obama did 5.3 million.
You'd think Trump in his firstadministration was this huge.
Now he did 1.9 million.
Uh, so it was actually the lowest one.

(34:54):
You know, Biden got a lot of griefand he should have, you know, it
felt like the borders were wide open.
Mm-hmm.
Uh, and that goes to someof the economic cost.
You know, in the researchit came up that on average.
You know, immigrants do, you know,provide a lot more to the United States
than they take in services, right?
However, you know, that is different inFlorida, in Texas, and in California.

(35:21):
California right now hasa huge budget deficit.
It may be like the ninth largesteconomy on the planet, but they, they're
running a massive deficit right nowthat they're trying to balance out and
they have really high, uh, high taxes.
So they're trying to figure it out.
That's a, you know, that's a statethat provides all sorts of services.
And so like they're struggling with that.

(35:42):
They're trying to figure it out.
Here in Florida?
Same.
Same.
You know, like there's, there'sa lot of money that goes into
the infrastructure, whether it's,schools or healthcare or housing.
Yeah.
You know, like there's, there's a lotwhich is very different than say New York.
And that's, you know, that was some ofthe shenanigans that we saw, you know,
last administration where, you know, uh,governor Abbott would like bust people

(36:07):
into San Francisco or they'd bus theminto LA or bus 'em into to New York.
And there was a change in attitude,and particularly in New York City
where it was like, oh my God.
And so like, there was a bit of aout of sight, out of mind for folks.
It's like, it's easy to sayimmigrants are awesome when.
It's not in your face, and it isn'tlike a serious sort of issue that is

(36:30):
expensive and time consuming and changing,sort of like the fabric of things.
So I, I think it, you know, if we're,we're thinking about immigration,
we think about it as a nation as awhole, not as like, it's just really
a problem for the border states.

Jerremy (36:45):
Yeah.
Yeah, I agree.
But I think the border states, I mean.
Dude, Arizona, New Mexico.
Yeah.
It's called New Mexico.
Hello.

Dave (36:54):
Gulf of America.

Jerremy (36:56):
What happened to

Dave (36:57):
that is, is the whole Greenland, uh, Gulf of America are we done with that now?

Jerremy (37:02):
No, Gulf America has happened.
That is an executive order.
It's on Google Maps.
They're putting it in the schools,they're updating into books.
It's kind of hilarious.
And where did that

Dave (37:11):
come from?
I'd be like, I,

Jerremy (37:13):
In, in the random, uh, rabbit hole of Gulf of America.
I believe it was becauseof an energy rite.
That has been signed for the last30 years that prohibited Trump or
any American president from doingsomething in the Gulf of Mexico.
So he said, oh, well, I'll justchange it to Gulf of America now.
The law no longer supersedeswhat I want to do.

Dave (37:31):
IIII love that we're kind of run by a toddler.
It's like the greatestthing ever, you know?
Yeah.

Jerremy (37:38):
It's like, we'll just change the name.

Dave (37:39):
I'm like,

Jerremy (37:39):
okay.
He's a billionaire, toddler who knows howto break all laws and get away with it.

Dave (37:44):
There is a subtle brilliance to it.

Jerremy (37:46):
He is like, let me break the law and I can't be in trouble because it
doesn't apply to me a subtle brilliance.
So that, that's real.
The Gulf of America isnow an actual thing.
It's on, if you pull up aGoogle map, Dave, on your phone.
Oh, come.
It'll say Gulf.
I swear.
Pull it up real quick.
After, after pulling up

Dave (38:03):
Panama, we were gonna invade Panama too.
We stopped talking about that one.

Jerremy (38:06):
Yeah, we stopped talking about that Greenland that kind of went away.
'Cause people told Trump, Heybro, there's nothing there.
Just go away there, there'snothing in Greenland.
It's not a real place.
Like there's like five pounds of oil.
Leave it alone.

Dave (38:20):
Okay.
Yeah, man.
Check out

Jerremy (38:22):
some

Dave (38:22):
of these issues.
Alright we spend, and it's gonna be alot more with the budget bill coming in.
Uh, but we spend, threeand a half, a billion.
That's a billion with a B on,uh, detention and deportation.
So that, that's crazy.
And we spend a billion dollarson courts doing adjudication.

(38:46):
But here's the thing.
There's 3 million people that arelooking for like their day in court,
and they deserve a day in court.
And actually like the, the immigrationcourts, it's, it's not like a, you
know, it's not like what we wouldthink of, like when we were talking
about like the incarceration and allthe stuff that we were talking about.
Like those were, those were courts, likehow we would be thinking about them.
These are immigration courts.

(39:07):
They're like they'readministrative, right?
But here's the kicker.
There's only enough judges.
Uh, if you take all of the judges,each one of them has 4,500 cases,
and so there's like a five yearwaiting list for, you know, that's
the quickest you would ever see.
So you're in this like perpetuallimbo of like, am I here or am I not?

(39:32):
You know, will I ever get seen?
Yeah.
Will, I won't.
Yeah.
And so like, these things can gofor years and years and years.
It's like, so what's the big deal?
Like, why don't we be hiring?
Like, how are we not hiring like abunch of administrative judges on this?
Right?
Like, easy to like, you know, isthis a real asylum case or not?
You know, like some people said, I'm,you know, in asylum, but I'm not.

(39:53):
And then some people are like,yeah, it's serious asylum.
It's like, okay, thenwe're gonna take you.
You know, like we need the judges.
Like, why do we spend all this money?
Like so down here in Florida.
I don't know if you sawany of the news on this.
They have put up what's beingcalled alligator Alcatraz, and
it's just outside of Miami here.
And it's on an old, not an old base.
It's on an old, airport.

(40:15):
You know, like they were gonna bebuilding like this huge airport down
here, and they decided like 40 yearsago that they couldn't build it because
of environmental concerns, right.
But they were gonna buildthe largest airport in the
United States here in Miami.
And so, but they left all the runways.
And so, ICE has come in and DHS hascome in and they've put up temporary
trailers to house like a thousand people.

(40:35):
And so like, there's allsorts of protests with that.
And I'm like, I don't know.
I saw the trailers.
They look pretty nice,but that's all detention.
Those aren't like courtrooms.
And I feel like we spent, you know,a little bit less money on detention
and deportation and a little bit moreon getting people through the system,
because once they have the adjudication,then it'd be like, okay, you know,

(40:56):
do you stay or do you go yes or no?
Right.
Yeah.
Like yes or no.
It's a yes or no.
But just starting with deportation andspending all that money on deportation,
I don't know if it's that effective.

Jerremy (41:05):
Yeah.
And we could spend, but we alsohave to spend that much money too.
'cause like, you could go after allthe people, you know, all the kids
who are going to college to be, toget, they haven't passed the bar yet.

Dave (41:16):
Yeah.

Jerremy (41:16):
And all they need is administrative.
Yes or no.
Like, that could be one of their first,Hey, spend some time on this case.
You're a college kid in Virginiaand you get 25 cases go through
'em, and the judge or the counseloror whoever that has passed the
bar just gets to sign off on it.
Mm-hmm.
You know, with an auto pin or whatever.

Dave (41:35):
Yeah.

Jerremy (41:36):
There's from your perspective, and I would agree with it, I think
that is a process or like, ratherthan spending all the money on keeping
him here let's spend the money onfiguring out should they be here.
Mm-hmm.
Because there's gonna be definitely alarge portion that will slash should.
So we can say, yep, you belong here.

(41:56):
You deserve to be here.
Thanks for being here.
Welcome to America.
And then there's gonna be probably 25%or less that probably shouldn't be here.
And great, we can deportthem, but we don't have to
spend money on detaining them

Dave (42:11):
Yeah.

Jerremy (42:11):
Versus going through that court system.
And that's a lot of people, man.
That's a long, long,long, long, long history.
Um, if a judge saw one case a dayright, it would take 'em 10, 15 years
just to go through the current cases.
Which to your point, yeah.
I think that's a relativelybig glaring oversight.
It's like, just speed up thatprocess and just make you a little
bit more formalized as well.

(42:34):
So me, man this is gonna be fantastic.
Fantastic to talk through.
Because then you also have the, uh, the.
The one that my wife, and I'msure we'll all hear from her later
'cause she definitely wants tohop in on this immigration topic.

Dave (42:46):
Yeah.

Jerremy (42:47):
Uh, because that's how she got here, right?
She was an immigrant and so she's really,really stoked to have that conversation.
But one of the things that she'smost frustrated by is, hey, if you
have a bunch of money, it's a loteasier to become American citizen.
It sure is.
Uh, we are, that's a lot easier.

Dave (43:04):
We are, uh, we're exploring that, you know, in my situation, my, my boo
too, like if you make an investmentin the United States, you okay?
You want to hear how it's done.
You want to hear how it's actuallydone and it might make you crazy.
Living here in Miami, you see allthese big buildings, you might be
able to actually see 'em behind me.

(43:25):
Well, you've been down here, right?
Like these giant buildings.
And so this is how the FourSeasons was built down here.
The Four Seasons needed ahundred million dollars.
And so they partnered with, a companythat would provide the financing.
And the financing comes fromwell off international people.

(43:45):
And so they got a hundred peopleto put up a million dollars.
The company who built the buildingwould employ a bunch of people.
And that's what the requirement is.
You have to invest in the United States,employ a bunch of people for a certain
amount of time in an economic zone.
And with that, that's how youget your permanent residency.

(44:10):
The person who's making the buildinggets a really, really cheap loan, and
the people who want a permanent greencard get permanent residency easy.
And so at the end of this process, whatyou get is you get a place to live too.
Mm-hmm.
So not only do you get to buildthe building you get return on your

(44:31):
investment and you get a place to live.
And that is only available to people whohave a lot of money that can be without
like a million or $2 million for a fewyears while building's getting built.
And I think that that is bonkers.
So now you have permanentresidency because you built
a building in South Florida.

Jerremy (44:51):
Yes.
Well, um, I can see the pros and thecons to this deeply because the truth
is money makes everything easier.
Sure.
It makes everything faster, right?
It's one of the coolestlubricants in the world.
Money, time, and energy, like those arethe only three things you can spend.
And you definitely would rather spendmoney than time and energy if you can.

(45:12):
The bridge,

Dave (45:13):
what we also get around here is a bunch of empty buildings.
And that happens in New York City too.
Uh, I mean, so many of the buildings,and I saw it in San Francisco so many
of the buildings are essentially empty.
Uh, and I know people wholive in London, same, same.
So it's people who have builtthose buildings have residencies.
Oh, perfect.
We can give those to the homeless

Jerremy (45:34):
people.

Dave (45:34):
Well, that's the thing is that, like these buildings are
empty, but somebody owns them, right?
And so mm-hmm.
Like in Florida, they mightshow up for a few weeks out of
the year, but that's it, right?
Yeah.
But they have permanent residency.
And so that is driving up the cost ofhousing here in South Florida, which
totally is, is, yeah, money is importantand money's great and money's building

(45:57):
these buildings, but like, what's atthe end of this rainbow is not great.

Jerremy (46:01):
Well, again, what's back to my, one of my original solutions of the
whole, add, if you are a real estatedeveloper or builder, there's a certain
percentage of what you have to buildthat goes directly towards a real estate
initiative, created homeless drive thatfocuses on putting people into a building.
It's like, Hey, you're gonna buildan entire apartment complex in Miami.

(46:22):
Amazing.
You also have to donate $15,000 of that.
Of your profits, your procedure,your carrying costs, or the
equity that you took out afteryou built it, that's tax free.

Dave (46:31):
Yeah.

Jerremy (46:32):
You have to take a portion of that and give it to this real
estate initiative that builds homesfor homelessness and put 'em in there.
But yeah, man, it isreally, really interesting.
And again, should that be allowed?
I think the answer is yes.
It's a really hard to go, Nope.
Don't do capitalism in capitalist society.
Um, if you got a bunch of money.

(46:52):
Sure.
Because if you do want to take awaythis deficit, you go, listen, a million
dollars buys you a green card andyou sell a million of those things.
Yeah.
A million times a million.

Dave (47:07):
Yeah.

Jerremy (47:07):
Yeah, that's gonna start chipping away a little bit at this
deficit like that if they're spendingit correctly, and sourcing it correctly
and facilitating it correctly.
And so these are, you know, again, tome, really fascinating discussions.
And man, I just cannot wait to keeppicking each one of these apart.
Mm-hmm.
I think that's what's gonna be most funis really picking a certain portion of

(47:28):
this immigration issue apart and providingit to our panelists and saying, okay,
hey, border patrol, let's solve it.
Hey, immigration status, let's solve it.
Yeah.
Um, let's figure out some reallycool constraints and things that
are working and things that are notworking, and things that you could do
and things that you would do better.
And it's just gonna be a really,really a fascinating topic.
On that note, for all of our listeners,if you have ideas, thoughts, opinions,

(47:50):
perspectives, or solutions thatyou're like, man, I would really love
to just give some of my insight, mythought, my deliberation on this topic.
Hit us up and let us know how we can,uh, bring you on or at least propose
your ideal a little bit more seriously.

Dave (48:04):
Love it.
Alright here's a hot button one, and then,we'll, I think we'll wrap it up there.
Uh, birthright citizenship.
14th Amendment says straight up,you're born here, you're a citizen.
And this is gettingchallenged in the courts.
Now, I did a deep dive on this, uh,because I was like, oh, of course,

(48:24):
the 14th Amendment says, it turnsout that there is, there are some
bits and pieces that have never beenlitigated, never been through the courts.
There is some ambiguity in there thatis just never been defined, right?
Like, I think, you know, I think on the,on the service of it, most people will
be like, oh, yeah, that's pretty clear.
You know, like if you're born here,you're a citizen, but there's a clause

(48:47):
in there that says you're a citizen.
If you are subject to the jurisdictionof the United States and, uh, this, the
14th Amendment was specifically builtfor slaves, saying, okay, you know,
like if you're born in the United Statesand you're a slave, like nobody can
deny you, you are an American citizen.

(49:09):
And it was never meant for anybody whowas from outside of the United States.
It, you know, specificallyit carves out legislatively.
You know, like if you're, if you have akid here and you're an ambassador no, no.
You, you're not a, you're not a citizenbecause you're not subject to the

(49:30):
jurisdiction of the United States.
Where this gets kind of squirrely is,if you don't have a, you know, if you
don't have a legal right to be here,like if your parents are, quote, uh,
undocumented, are you actually subjectto the laws of the United States or not?
And it's a maybe not, because you know,like there's certain rights that you

(49:51):
don't have because you are undocumented.
Like you couldn't get drafted or, youknow, like you actually, couldn't, be
penalized for not paying federal taxes.
You know, like there's certain rights andprivileges that you do not have because
you, you know, you are not a citizenand you don't have the right to be here.
So are you fully, part of thejurisdiction of the United States?

(50:13):
And it has been tried, you know,like there was what was called
the Arc case over a hundredyears ago, which had to do with.
The Chinese, and it was legal authorizedor like permanent residence that happened
to be Chinese born, that had a child.
And the child, went back to China andthen came back and then was deported.

(50:34):
And the Supreme Court said, oh, no, no,no, no, no, this is an American citizen.
And so like, that has been the foundation.
Mm-hmm.
But they were permanent residents andso like, it actually has never, ever
been adjudicated to be like, oh, itis your birthright if you are here.
But it, nobody's ever said,well, okay, certain classes of

(50:57):
people, they are not citizens.
Are undocumented people, citizens or not.
And so by birth.
And so that, that is, thatis an interesting thing.
I think it, do you what's your, what'syour thoughts and feelings on this?

Jerremy (51:11):
Agreed.
Very fascinating.
Number one.
Number two, I'm glad it's gettingsome attention because again, that's
probably one a lot of people arelike, dude, most people don't even
know how many amendments we have.
Right?
So to be clear, it's like, yes, thatone definitely should, especially with
all this essentially turmoil, right?
Being arose arisen about immigration.

Dave (51:31):
Yeah.

Jerremy (51:31):
I think that's one where we probably need a
little bit more light on her.
We need a little bit more freshnessbecause again, if you do have two
illegal immigrants that come across theline that she's eight and a half months
pregnant and they boom, have a baby.

Dave (51:44):
One of the most critical things actually.
The original case was the SupremeCourt in the Wong case, and I think
this was like in the 1880s, right?
Like as, so it's, it's been a hot minute.
The Supreme Court at the time,on their case, they said it's
British common law, right?
Like so it's mm-hmm.
It's, it's found.
So like that's what we'll go back to.
It's British common law.

(52:05):
And it was like, okay it, and it's like,it's some Latin term for like by blood.
And so, by the simple fact thatyou are in the country and you are
born there, then by blood you, youare a citizen of Great Britain.
Here's the thing though.
That was changed.
You do not get instant citizenshipif you are just born in the uk.

(52:29):
It is.
It fundamentally changed.
In fact, the United States isamong few countries, like almost
no countries in the world.
Do you get.
Automatic citizenship.
Yeah.
You know, the United Kingdom doesn't doit like nobody envisioned like modern
immigration practices and patterns.
Like, there are people who do birthtourism where they will come to

(52:52):
the United States and hang out fora couple of months, give birth to
their child, and then you go back towherever they're from, just so that
their child can have a US passport.
So like the whole foundation of thiswas British common law that was the
original, but that's all changed.
I'm like, oh, okay.
That's curious.
So I, fundamentally, I think likeif you're born in the United States,
you're definitely a US citizen.

(53:13):
I think that makes sense to me.
But I totally get where peopleare coming from on this one.

Jerremy (53:19):
Oh, me too, man.
Yeah.
I think, like I said, to your point, it'sgood to be, it's good to get addressed.
It's good to look over and just, Hey, canwe make any tweaks, any adjustments there?
Is there any rules, regulations, just alittle bit more redefine it or definement?
Um, same thing.
I think probably what'll stem from thatmight be the marriage thing too, right?
Where it's just like, Hey, wejust need to make sure that you
have this to your point, right?

(53:40):
You gotta go through a lawyer.
Ugh.

Dave (53:42):
Yeah.

Jerremy (53:42):
Could you slash should you need to do that, right?
If you got born here, like, let'sjust make sure you go through
this lawyer process anyway.
I think having it go through the courtsystem and be an issue for debate
and issue for conversation, I thinkis very, very valid and valuable.

Dave (53:56):
Yeah.

Jerremy (53:56):
Totally.
Yep.
Yeah, man, it's gonnabe a great topic, Dave.
I can't wait to get some incredibleguests and just have some beautiful
discussions and learn more and sharemore and grow more and have more thoughts
and insights poured into our brainas we continue to build this really,
really incredible, uh, presidential run.

Dave (54:14):
It's gotta be great.

Jerremy (54:15):
Yep.

Dave (54:15):
Wrap us up.
We're, uh, that's it.
And

Jerremy (54:20):
exactly.
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