What If Pain Is Your Body Remembering What Your Mind Forgot: A Conversation with Jason Marvin

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SPEAKER_04 (01:03):
Hello and welcome.
I'm very excited on today'ssession of the Soma Flow
podcast.
I have a very special guest withme.
His name is Jason Marvin, aphysical therapist for 25 years
who believes true healinghappens when we care for the

whole person (01:17):
body, mind, emotions, and soul.
His passion is helping peoplerise into their full potential
and experience a vibrant healthfrom the inside out.
Thank you, Jason, for joining metoday.
I'm so happy to have you here.

SPEAKER_01 (01:34):
Yeah.
Thank you for inviting me.
And you know, it's been a while.
We actually were, I think backthe last time we actually met.
We're like, we should do apodcast.
Like, okay.

SPEAKER_04 (01:44):
That was like two years ago.

SPEAKER_01 (01:45):
I know.
So Jason and I made thiscoaching program.

SPEAKER_04 (01:50):
And it was, I think we met on the last night of the
five-day.
That must have been in 2022.

SPEAKER_01 (01:56):
Yeah, I think the first time.
Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (01:58):
Yeah.
And we were in this five-dayconsciousness training for the
coaching program that we bothgot certified in.
And um he's a body-basedpractitioner.
I'm a body-based practitioner.
And it's a unique thing to be abody-based practitioner in the
world of coaching andconsciousness because they'll
usually say, like, oh, we don'tneed that.
And everything inside of me islike, you're wrong.

(02:22):
Like, actually, don't tell meI'm less than you.
Like, I'm just not like thefighter in me is always like,
no, you just don't understandthe benefits.
So you say it's not necessary.
But um, so that's how Jason andI met was the last day.
I think we were the only twobody-based practitioners there,
if I recall.

SPEAKER_01 (02:41):
Yeah, it's it's quite an interesting interesting
um dynamic, to be in a place ofcoaching and then realize that
everybody else needs this stuff,like not just coaching, but
bodywork too, at the same timeand the meshing of it all
together.

SPEAKER_04 (02:55):
So oh, right.
Yeah.
It was so inner that was aninteresting journey for me.
We could talk about it onanother episode.
Yeah.
But it was when it was coaching,and I was like, wait a minute,
I've been doing this for 25years.
I just don't charge as much asyou.
Like it was like, I've beengiving people wellness
strategies since I started thiscareer.

(03:16):
So it was just a funnyrealization.
But our second encounter was atan intuition training for five
days, and we had a grouptogether, and I'm just gonna
tell this story because it wasreally funny.
And we were doing intuitivereadings for people, and this
one man had a question about hislove life.
And Jason and I had the samevision, and we saw the same

(03:37):
woman in this man's field.
And what was that like for you?
Because that was kind of a funreading.

SPEAKER_01 (03:42):
I mean, uh Yeah, no, it was pretty it was pretty
wild, you know, just the pingponging off of one another.
Like, you see this?
Yeah, I see that too.
Yeah, this is what's gonnahappen.
This is what she looks like,this is what she's like.

SPEAKER_04 (03:53):
And you know what?
Okay, so Jason doesn't knowthis, but he emailed me not that
long after, I think it was likea year later, and he goes, You
guys were 100% accurate.
I met that exact woman and itunfolded exactly as you thought
it would.
And it's not because we set theyou know thing in there, the
lesson we told him he needed tolearn was exactly what he

(04:15):
learned.
And he goes, That was exactlywhat I needed to learn.
And it was amazing the accuracy,especially when you get too
intuitive during a reading fromsomeone, anyways.

SPEAKER_01 (04:24):
Very powerful.
That's that's so amazing.

SPEAKER_04 (04:27):
Yeah.
So it was kind of it was verycool because you don't always
get feedback from people to go,oh yeah, that reading was like
so accurate.
And um, thank you.
So I don't know that you know,we don't always get that as
practitioners.
So no, we don't.
Yeah.
Um yeah, and so um thisconversation that we're gonna
have today is a little bit aboutJason's journey because he's

(04:49):
fascinating and I'm so gratefulto consider him a friend.
And he helped me um through somecoaching last year that was
probably the best coaching I'veever had.
And I mean that from the bottomof my heart.
And um, he helped me get to someparts of myself that just were
trapped in in pain and in avictim consciousness that aren't

(05:10):
there anymore.
So I'm so grateful for Jason andthe work that he does in the
world.

SPEAKER_01 (05:16):
So um I appreciate that.
Very sweet of you to say.

SPEAKER_04 (05:20):
So I love that you're kind of uh um that you're
not kind of, but you went fromsuper science to to woo, and now
you do both.
And I I would love to hear alittle bit about your journey.

SPEAKER_01 (05:29):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (05:30):
How it happened?

unknown (05:32):
Wow.

SPEAKER_01 (05:32):
Well, it it was quite it's quite fascinating,
actually.
You know, thinking about myjourney back then, coming out of
school, you know, I'm gung ho.
I'm like, I want to help people.
This is awesome.
And I'm very sports-related andall that kind of stuff.
And I started working at aclinic originally that was
sports medicine.
No, it was just a mill.

(05:53):
Here, give some exercises, givesome exercises.

SPEAKER_04 (05:55):
Oh my god, can we talk about that for just a
minute?
Like the mill mentality drivesme insane.
Okay, we have to do anotherpodcast on that.
I'm not gonna impress it, butyeah, okay, sorry.

SPEAKER_01 (06:06):
I'm like, all right, um, helping no, that's that's
that's not part of it.
We just we just wanted to get abunch of people in here to make
money.

SPEAKER_03 (06:14):
Drive me nuts.

SPEAKER_01 (06:15):
Yeah, but I I really kind of realized that I was not
helping people that way.
So I ended up getting in contactwith one of my colleagues that I
went to school with, and he wasworking for an individual.
And basically, they wereteaching osteopathy um
principles.
Okay.
We were a physical therapist,but we can still learn all those
types of techniques and all thatkind of stuff.

(06:36):
So so yeah, I started reallydelving into that and just
really understanding how totreat the body as itself, but
from a physical level.

SPEAKER_04 (06:42):
And hands-on approaches.

SPEAKER_01 (06:44):
Oh, what's that?

SPEAKER_04 (06:45):
So more hands-on.

SPEAKER_01 (06:46):
Yeah, it's it was all hands-on, and you know,
there were exercises in there,but only it's very, very
specific to what you were tryingto accomplish within the body,
right?
Not just this random, hey,here's these 10 exercises that
they we give you, giveeverybody, right?

SPEAKER_03 (07:01):
Right.

SPEAKER_01 (07:02):
No, no, no.
It's very, very specific, youknow, because you're treating
this one person.
I went from the mill to treatingtwo people an hour.
At least I had person, some oneperson for a half hour say,
okay, which was reallybeneficial, you know, when
you're first starting to learnand all that kind of stuff.
But I think the biggest thingthat I began to realize
throughout this whole thingwhile I was doing it, um, is the

(07:26):
more you're in contact withpeople, you start to unknown to
us sometimes and to me at thetime, was this big energetic
exchange going on?

SPEAKER_03 (07:38):
Yes.

SPEAKER_01 (07:39):
Yes.

SPEAKER_03 (07:40):
It's huge.

SPEAKER_01 (07:40):
And it's huge.
And you know, I had a lot ofreally, really, really good
experiences with withindividuals just for just in
that half an hour.
It was it was amazing.
I really started to understandthat hey, I can really help
people when we start to reallyfocus on the whole person in
general.
Yes, I was still doing it from astructural standpoint at that
point in my life, um, which wasamazing, but at the same time,

(08:04):
because you're delving intofascia and all that kind of
stuff, sometimes people have asomat emotional release.
I'm like, oh what the hell's allthis?
This is really weird.
Like, what's going on?

SPEAKER_04 (08:13):
Didn't you train you in physical therapy school about
that?
Oh, wow.

SPEAKER_01 (08:19):
Nothing about that.
No, seriously, at least at theat that time.
See, that was 25 years ago, youknow.
So things have obviously changedat this point, and I hope to god
that they're bringing that kindof stuff in at this point.

SPEAKER_04 (08:33):
I hope so, because that's one of the foundations in
Massage School.

SPEAKER_01 (08:38):
Yeah, but well, the thing is, we we weren't just in
PT school, they're not justtraining you about fashion,
they're training, they're doingeverything.
So it's like, hey, how can welike give the biggest bang for
the buck?
And that's more of a post-gradthing.
The emotional stuff.
I think that's what they really,you know, they really kind of
think about, you know.
So, and that that's fine, that'sjust how it is.

(09:00):
But trying to get you through astate board exam, that's like if
they're mean focus.
But okay, I think you know,starting to treat about two
hours or um two years, I shouldsay, into doing PT with people,
um, I started having my own likeissues, like run, really run
down, headaches, you know, gutstuff, digestive stuff, losing

(09:24):
weight unexpectedly, and going,what is going on with me?
Here I am, an athlete,competitive athlete doing stuff,
you know, really, really pushingmy body all the time, eating you
know, thousands of calories aday, and I'm just losing weight,
like not just a couple pounds.
We're talking like five, ten, itjust kept going, 15 pounds.

SPEAKER_04 (09:46):
Just there's a lot of people listening right now
wanting to know the secret tolosing weight like that.

SPEAKER_00 (09:51):
Yeah, the opposite.
This is not the way to do it.

SPEAKER_04 (09:55):
Mine just kept going up and up and up.

SPEAKER_01 (09:58):
So yeah, this is not the way to do it.
But and you know, here I amgoing, oh my god, I didn't have
freaking cancer or something,you know.
It's like that's one of thehallmark signs, is like you're
losing weight unexpectedly,you're having like night pain or
just weird stuff, right?
It's hallmark sign of cancertype stuff.
So it's like, of course, thebrain's like going through like,

(10:20):
oh my god, oh my god, oh my god.
You know, so I go to the doctor,run a bunch of tests.
Of course, there's nothing wrongwith you, nothing wrong with
you.
They can't find anything, whichis like okay.

SPEAKER_04 (10:31):
So yeah, I really have an experience to have.

SPEAKER_01 (10:34):
Yeah, it's like and I knew there was something,
there was something else goingon, you know.
Yeah, I had I knew I wasn'tunder a bunch of stress, um,
just with work stuff, gettingout in the career, all that
stuff.
I was, you know, dating anindividual at the time.
It was kind of crazy and allthat stuff.

SPEAKER_04 (10:50):
Anyhow, but oh, that's actually important.
We are gonna talk about thatlater.

SPEAKER_01 (10:55):
Yeah, yeah.
It's it's it it is, it is, it isimportant, but the number one
cause of disease crazyrelationship partners.
Yeah, totally so, but yeah, I Ireally started to feel that it
wasn't just these other thingsthat I had been doing, you know,
I've been dealing with all thatstuff just fine.
It's like my resiliency wasdoing good.

(11:17):
I was able to come back and dealwith stuff and bounce back, no
problem.
And then as soon as I got intothe the career of doing this
within a couple years, it waslike I crashed.
Like something, it was like whattipped me over the edge.
You know, the cup is still full,but now it's the body can't
adapt anymore.

SPEAKER_03 (11:34):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (11:35):
And and then I started to realize like, like I
said, obviously, there'ssomething wrong.
So I um I actually had a nursepractitioner ask me about that.
Like, what do you do for aliving?
I'm like, oh physical therapist.
She's like, hmm.
So I I wonder if you everthought about your taking on
emotion.

SPEAKER_04 (11:54):
Wow.
A nurse practitioner asked youthat.
Was she in the traditional scopeof of work or was she more she
was in traditional medicine, butI think she was just intuitive.

SPEAKER_01 (12:03):
I think she at the time she was able to pick up on
my energy and notice what wasgoing on.
So I think she, you know, justbrought it to my attention that
way.
And it's like I had never eventhought about that kind of stuff
because we hadn't had anytraining in that kind of stuff.
So I just kind of delve into itfrom there.
But, you know, stepping back alittle bit and kind of thinking
about this as a whole, um,knowing what I started to learn

(12:28):
and understand, okay, well,maybe there's some kind of
energetic change going on.
Obviously, we're we're allenergetic beings and we, you
know, we're working with ourhands, very cohesive with water
molecules and everything.
We're we're taking on thisstuff, right?
We can if we don't protectourselves.
But when I started to look backthough, just hindsight as a
child, super, super likeemotional.

(12:51):
Like, and when I started to torealize where I was at now
versus way back then, how thingsplayed out kind of in my life,
and I began to realize that andhad thought processes around it.
I wonder if I've been carryingthings for other people my
entire life, not just thislifetime, but many lifetimes and

(13:17):
and the genetic component frommy own you know genealogy and
all that kind of stuff comingthrough epigenetics and what
well answered nine, right?
Well I'm not on the Enneagram,right?

SPEAKER_04 (13:28):
Are you a nine?

SPEAKER_01 (13:30):
I thought it was more of a nine, but I'm actually
You're oh, that makes so muchsense.

SPEAKER_04 (13:36):
I was picking up a five yesterday, and I was like,
are we sure you're a nine?
Because yeah, everything thatyou said, I was like, I think
you're a a five, like, or you'rea nine with like living in their
five, but okay, okay, okay.

SPEAKER_01 (13:49):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So I originally I think I was anine where I was very people
pleasing and just the nobody,the the day, all that kind of
stuff, right?
And um, but but yeah, when Ireally get deep down into I'm a
definitely number five.
Um go away.
I don't want to be with you.
I want to retreat back here.
I just do my own thing.

SPEAKER_04 (14:09):
Oh my god, I love fives.
I'm a five when I'm in my goodspace.
I'm a five.
Well, I'm a seven, but like whenI'm in my like high side, I'm a
five, so I get them, and I'mlike, people come in and they'll
say they're autistic.
I'm like, are you sure you'renot just a five?
Like that's nice thing.
That's they get called weirdthings.
Like that's like yeah, totallybut um oh, that makes so much

(14:33):
sense.
Okay, I love it.

SPEAKER_01 (14:34):
Well, yeah, so when I when I start to think about
that kind of stuff, it's like,oh my god, you know, I've been
really holding things all mylife, but so let's speed up to
where you know going into peakticketing and all that kind of
stuff and start to realize this,and it's like the aspects of my
body were really shutting downbecause it's like how how much

(14:58):
can we put into the glass?
It's going to get full at somepoint, and because the body is
so adaptive, it's made to adaptand it's it needs to be that
way, right?
Um, you know, it's all abouttrying to keep homeostasis, keep
a center line the best that wecan.
Okay.
But if we start to look at itfrom an energetic perspective,

(15:22):
and if we go down that road,it's like when you get things
that are blocked in your systemand you don't have energetic
flow through your body forwhatever reason, right?
Whether it's yours, whether it'ssomebody else's, it doesn't
matter.
Um, things just start to shutdown.
Like my body was literallyshutting down.

(15:42):
And it was it was a scary thing,you know.
I was like, oh my god, I'm like,here I am just getting into my
career, and I have effingcancer.
It's like, what are you talkingabout?

SPEAKER_00 (15:53):
Or something else.

SPEAKER_01 (15:54):
I didn't know what it was, but yeah, it was really
scary.
And so, but the fact that theycouldn't find anything, which is
okay, good, I don't have that,perfect.
Now what?
Yeah, but but this realizationof really delving delving into
it and diving into myself as aquote unquote empath.

SPEAKER_04 (16:13):
The curse of the empath, yes.

SPEAKER_01 (16:15):
Yeah, the curse of the empath, but it's I had to
begin to learn about beingenergetically responsible, is
what I like to say and how Icall it.
It's this responsibility toself, number one, okay, and
responsibility to to others too,as well, at the same time.
So you're I'm working on people,I don't want to sit there and be

(16:37):
like giving them all anythingthat I'm dealing with, right?
Energetically, yeah.
I don't want to be like, here, Itake all that.
No, that's not their job.
You're coming here to actuallyhelp help for me to help you.

SPEAKER_03 (16:47):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (16:48):
So, and at the same time, I don't want to take on
their stuff.
No, right, and and that's wherethe energetic, the responsible
comes into play.
So um, but this this energeticexchange is really important to
understand.

SPEAKER_04 (17:02):
Uh I think it's more important in a conversation we
should be having now more thanever, because I think that a lot
of skilled healthcarepractitioners get sick because
of this very reason that there'sa very large lack of
understanding about the exchangeof energy, taking on other
people's ick is kind of what Icall it.
Like I I work with people intrauma all the time, and the

(17:26):
only reason I can hold space forthem on their journey is because
I cleanse it from my system andI don't take it home with me
anymore.
But at the point, I was over ahundred pounds over 130 pounds
overweight when I was doing thiswork because uh you look
amazing, by the way.
Oh, thank you.

(17:47):
Thank you for helping me lastyear because you definitely got
me through the the first threeto six months of on my journey.
I'm super close to the end goalnow.
So um, that's a thank you toyou.

unknown (17:58):
Yeah, so you're very welcome.

SPEAKER_01 (18:01):
Um let me say something on that just real
quick that you were saying, buttaking on and then you know,
take it home, whatever.
But so in my experience, what Iwould notice is that because I
was ambitious to me taking onenergy, is that the fatigue
thing?
So I could there'd be days thatI'd be like, oh yeah, I can see,

(18:23):
you know, three, four, five, sixpeople, whatever, no problem.
And other days I'm seeing twoand I'm exhausted.
Like, what okay, what happened?
Like, what's the differencebetween that this other day and
this day?
So, this I think is a really biglike telltale sign of when
people are having energeticexchange problems in a sense of

(18:43):
they're not being responsibleand they're taking it on and
it's beginning to build up.
So I hear this a lot fromcolleagues of mine, especially
new practitioners that come in.
Um, that I've been, you know, Ihave colleagues that are in
osteopathic school that I wentthrough to as well.
And and they're starting totreat more.
And all of a sudden they'relike, oh my gosh, I only saw a
couple of people today.

(19:03):
I'm totally wiped out.
I'm like, oh, okay.
And I start talking about it.
And lo and behold, this iswhat's happening for them.
They're taking on energy becausethey're not, they're not
understanding their ownenergetic first number one, and
what that really means, and howto ground, how to clear, all
that kind of stuff, and and bethis just independent.

(19:23):
I like to say independent ofthat and that other person.
It's like you are you, I am me,and we are separate.
So we have this energeticexchange, but we don't need to
mesh together, right?
That was yeah, dance aroundbubbles, that's fine, but we
don't need to mesh and like takeyour stuff, you take my no no,
that's not what we're gonna I'mgonna play that game.

SPEAKER_04 (19:45):
Do you remember that exercise we did at the five day?
And it was where we were playingwith energy and what it felt
like.
And I used to be a ragingcodependent.
I'll just say I didn't even knowmy energy field was like just
codependent.
And I think when you havecodependent strategies, like you
don't necessarily know how to dothat because it's you just

(20:06):
foreign to you.
And when we when we were in thatfive day, we we have this
exercise where we put thefunctional bubbles next to each
other, and it's like to trainyou how to hold healthy energy
next to another human beingwithout taking theirs, but then
you practice and you play andyou have like one's the big
spoon and the other one's thelittle spoon.

(20:27):
And um, it's such a great way oflearning that skill.
And um, I think we should do aworkshop on it, but um also like
I can you talk about that morefor people who don't understand
what that means?
Because I think that when youand I talk about two functional

(20:48):
bubbles sitting next to eachother where I can like bump up
next to your energy, I can readit, but I'm not getting it into
my field.
How does that feel for for you?
Like if you had to describe it,I know this is a really hard
question because I don't knowthat I know how to describe it,
but um, I do this exercise withmy clients so they understand
the difference.

(21:09):
Because I can always feelsomeone who has an open energy
field.
And I'm always like, whoop, letme put your functional bubble on
you first because I don't wantyour field leaking out all over
the room.
And then I all like kind of givethem a functional bubble.
Um, so and then they'll be like,Well, that's strange.
I feel really good.
What did you just do?
And I'm like, Oh, I justcontained your energy around

(21:29):
you.
And um I don't think that Ithought about it until you just
mentioned I forgot that I didthat.
But how do you do explain thatto someone?
And when is our workshop?
Because that's coming.

SPEAKER_01 (21:44):
Yeah, I I think it's really an amazing thing to
understand.
Okay, so um, for me, you know, II don't think I'm I'm quite
doing what you're doing there.
I think I probably should be agood thing.
Um, I always protect myself, butthat's a good idea.
I never really thought aboutjust you know setting them up
for themselves.

(22:04):
But um, for me, what I reallyfeel, and everybody's different,
you know, everyone's had youknow, it depends on where their
energy is at, you know.
If it's all over the place, it'slike I feel them when they're in
the parking lot before they evencome like, oh boy, this is gonna
be a big one.
Um, so yeah, and it's it's justthis place, you know.

(22:24):
So if I think about my ownenergetic field, my energetic
bubble, what do you want to callit?
Okay.
So when I'm the client's in myroom, I really tap into that.
I'm just feeling I'm like upagainst this, is kind of how I
do it.
I'm up against my own and I'msending out my own little
feelers into the into the room.
And I'm feeling it's kind ofthere, where their space is,
okay, and what's going on withit in general.

(22:47):
And for me, because I'm I tendto be more um clairsentient as a
primary, so I think it's becauseof the bodywork and all that
kind of stuff too, but um, soand then not just clairsentient
empathic, but clairsentient likefeeling, like sensation-wise.

(23:09):
So I I'll pick up on both ofthose pretty kind of primarily
first with people.
And it's like, okay, what whatis their view?

SPEAKER_04 (23:20):
Oh um, let's let's yeah, go ahead.
Let's talk about our sixfriends, the Claire's.
Um, clairsentient is that likeknowing, knowing like a feel a
felt sense um in your body.
A lot of body workers areclairsentient because we feel
the other person's pain in ourbody, and so we don't always
know that it's not ours.

(23:41):
It's really the way that ourbody is communicating through an
intuitive channel what we'repicking up from the other
person.
Is that is that how you woulddescribe it?

SPEAKER_01 (23:50):
Yeah, yeah, definitely.
And there's there's aspects ofit like feeling pain in the body
is one thing, but then feelingemotion.
Yeah, there's two differentaspects of it, you know.
So that's why I kind of teeterin that whole realm, you know,
really quickly as a primary.
Um, yeah.
And the other clear iscognizance, like you have a
knowing, you have it hearing,you have a visual uh for
clairvoyance, um, those thosetypes.

(24:10):
So it's all the part of theintuitive intuition, you know,
how the the information comesinto us.
Everybody has this ability.
Um, it's just got to figure outwhat works the best for you and
all that kind of stuff.

SPEAKER_04 (24:21):
So all of them because they're all great tools.

SPEAKER_01 (24:24):
They're all great tools and they bounce all
around.
So, but I think as a primary,that's where I tend to resonate
from.
And then it goes, it kind ofgoes from a a um sensing uh
sensing to a feeling to aknowing is that that's the kind
of the blip for me, you know.
So um, but anyhow, but yeah,it's so that's really what I

(24:47):
practice with with um with myclients in general, is to
knowing and understanding thatit's like if I am here's my
bubble, and then I just kind ofmerge up against them a little
bit, or just what does the roomfeel like with them in it?
And then I get a little closerto them, and so they're here's
their bubble, here's theirbubble, and I kind of come in a
little closer.
What does it feel like to benext to them?
Okay, and then I'm still me, butwe can merge into them just

(25:11):
slightly, okay.
So we overlap the two circles,okay, and then we start to still
be me and feel what it feelslike to be in their field, and
then you start picking up allthese different uh types of
information that that comes frompeople, so but this is just a
way of knowing what's going onfor the individual.
But the thing is, is that whenwe go into their field

(25:33):
completely, and then we I wouldsay lose ourselves completely,
and we stay there, yeah, and westay there, and then all of a
sudden we we pull all theirstuff with us, and it's like
that's not that's not what wewant to do.
And this is when it becomes aproblem when we're doing this
over and over and over and overand over again, and we're not
clearing ourselves out, um, andunderstanding that we that our

(25:56):
energy is getting blocked, soit's like the tank is getting
fuller and fuller and fuller andfuller and fuller, and the next
thing we know, there's we'rehaving crazy symptoms.
So body pain has been a hugething for myself um ever since I
was a kid.

SPEAKER_04 (26:13):
Because you need a good massage therapist, Jason.

SPEAKER_01 (26:17):
Exactly.
Everybody needs a good massagetherapist, exactly.
And you know, it was yes, I wasa very, you know, rambunctious
child, a very um high-end um,you know, sports, sports, and
just you know, rough and toughand tumble, always that kind of
stuff, you know.

SPEAKER_04 (26:37):
Oh, I thought you were gonna say a high-end
terror.

SPEAKER_01 (26:39):
I was like, No, no, you know, it's I loved, I love
BMX biking, I love snow skiing,always sports, right?
But honestly, for me, I reallythink it was a place of my
system was really trying tofeel.
So I may back up.
I, you know, not to get intofamily dynamics too much, but I

(27:00):
think it is.
Yeah, it's a part of it, right?
So it's like my family, my momspecifically, grew up in a
family was like you probablyheard the saying, it's like stop
crying, or I'll give yousomething to cry about.

SPEAKER_04 (27:13):
So what year were you born in, though?

SPEAKER_01 (27:16):
71.

SPEAKER_04 (27:17):
Yeah, that's the Gen X.
That's how we were raised.

SPEAKER_00 (27:20):
Totally, totally.
It's like, shut up and justdon't bother me.
Get back outside.
Exactly.
Go outside.

SPEAKER_04 (27:28):
I know, watch general hospital, like so, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (27:33):
You know, as a very sensitive little boy, that was
that was tough.
It's like at times it wasaccepted and other times it
wasn't.
So, what did I do with the timesthat it wasn't accepted?
You stuff it, and it's like youkeep bottling it up, pushing it
down, pushing it down.
And then all of a sudden it'slike, why is my body hurting all
the time?
So, yes, I'm doing physicalthings, but it's like the

(27:55):
physical tweaks and turns in mybody that may happen if I fall
down doing things, but then youput the emotion and that
energetic walking on top of it,and then all of a sudden, things
can't adapt anymore.
Yeah, and then you start havingpain.
Your nervous system startstalking to you when you're so
far from your midline that it'sstressing it, so then it starts
firing off, and then you havesort of all kinds of pain all

(28:17):
the time.
So I remember my stepdad alwaysgiving me a hard time because I
had back pain all the time.
But as a kid, and he was like,and I he's like, Oh, I can't run
that weed eater, you know,because it's back pain.
And it's like, it's like, yeah,it hurts.
It's like my back is jacked up,you know.

SPEAKER_03 (28:32):
Oh my god.

SPEAKER_01 (28:33):
It was all lumbar support.
I'm gonna start thinking aboutlumbar support, either support,
family support, emotionalsupport was not being happened,
happening for me.
You know, I had a uh a pops, mydad, that was not around very
much, and as a father figure,you know, they're there to you
know show you how much um worthyou have, so to speak.

(28:55):
Acknowledge you.
And so he wasn't really around.
Well, I had that aspect too.
All these different things,right?
Going on.
So that is the journey, butthat's in its story, but you
know, it's making me who I am.
My my sensitivity is because ofall that, which I love now, but
I just know how to work with itnow.
So it's it's really what'staking me into you know what I

(29:17):
do, and you know, coming back toyou know, going into PT and all
that kind of stuff and realizingthis is this is an issue, not
just for me, but for allpractitioners, and you know, it
needs to be addressed.
Absolutely.

SPEAKER_04 (29:30):
And I don't think we talked about it.
I mean, I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 (29:32):
It doesn't get talked about as much.
It's I think it's reallystarting to be talked about
more.
Um, as I have talked to otherpeople in this industry that
have gone through after me, um,you know, like maybe like five
to ten years after I graduatedfrom PD school.
And it seems that they werestarting to bring in more
things, absolutely, which whichwas good.

(29:54):
So it's it's moving, but it'sslow, you know, it's just part
of the process and how it has tohappen and and what's considered
acceptable and as far as are we,you know, doing therapy, like
talk therapy, whatever, youknow, and they didn't really
think that was it needed to belike separate for whatever
reason, you know, and you knowit's so I love that you brought
that up because I got certifiedin coaching because I knew it

(30:18):
shouldn't be separate anymore.

SPEAKER_04 (30:20):
Yeah, and I just knew that because when I was
working on people, I might bethe only person they came to see
for help.
And I thought I can either getreally responsible and get
trained in trauma and coachingand the things that will be able
to help me help them because I'mnot gonna stop someone in their

(30:41):
moment if I'm the only personthey're gonna see.
And they might have a a memoryabout, you know, an assault or
something that's actually theblock of the pain.
I didn't want that to be like,oh, here, maybe you should go
get some help.
I I was like, I want to have theskills to be able to help them
in an ethical and integrous way.

(31:02):
Um so that, you know, if I wasthe only person that they ever
came to for help, that that Iwould be able to and equipped
with the right skill set to dothat.
Not from opinion, like I'veheard a lot of therapists give
their opinions about what theyshould do, but from that like
high level of training andtrauma and understanding uh
intuition and the higher selfpath and things, you know,

(31:24):
things such as that.
So that was I think that I Idon't know.
I think in anytime you'reworking with a human body, you
should one kind of get thatextra training so that you
understand you know if you arethe only person that they see
that you have at least someframe of helping them further.
Because we can do better in thatI think as a as a as a

(31:46):
healthcare culture.

SPEAKER_01 (31:48):
Yeah absolutely um yeah it and it's you know where
it kind of took me intoobviously was doing my own work
um yeah and what we call SCR orsomatemotional release traumas.
Did you do Peter Levine'straining or no you didn't barely
I just did just went throughBaral Institute um and did some

(32:08):
of their classes at it's it'swhat they kind of call it SER
but it's like cranial somethingthey call it cranial work.
But so there's a lot of it's notlike traditional osteopathic
cranial um work where you're youknow moving there is some bone
work you know that they do butit's a lot of emotional so is
that like the bars not likedrinking bars but like is it

(32:32):
like bars where you're likescanning the cranium for
energetic imprints of trauma onthe cranium okay I just saw a
class online it's gonna look atbut yeah no they're doing a lot
of they do a lot of mouthwork umaround this and they do I think
the first class they kind ofstart off with just doing this
um it's like a 10-step protocolis kind of where they do um

(32:54):
where they're just like movingthrough the body and they
they're just basically workinglike um transitional zones and
diaphragms and all that kind ofstuff just balancing the system
out um but then they start theygo into really work of
dialoguing with the body umwhich was really amazing you
know to um when you're startingto get certain things you're
getting intuitive hits maybe orum you know whatever's going on

(33:17):
for the person where you'reworking with them you start just
having a dialogue with theindividual a little bit so they
they really bring that in soit's just this aspect of
starting to work in theemotional realm with for people.
So the biggest thing though iswhen I went through this is that
because it's class there's a lotof people there they start doing

(33:37):
multi-hand work meaning multiplepractitioners on one person.
And it's so powerful becauseyour body can't escape it's like
it's like it's like it can't itcan it but it's really what
makes people pop if if thatmakes sense and in the way of
like they they can't get aroundyou know because typically when

(33:59):
you're just one person onanother person that if you're
not a skilled really skilledpractitioner to to feel what's
happening in the body and it'strying to get away from the
thing you're working on becauseit doesn't feel safe or whatever
reason.
So it's um when you havemultiple hands on somebody like
literally if there's four fourpeople that's eight hands on one

(34:22):
body all at one time it's likeit can't escape.
So what happens is it brings upthe emotion of whatever is going
on to process it out.
So I was able to go through thatand really what actually came
out was fascinating for mebecause it it was emotional but
it was primarily um physicaltrauma at first that's what came

(34:45):
out at first was my physicaltrauma because I had had so many
um physical accidents because Iwas I was a water skier at you
know 10 11 12 but learning howto barefoot water ski stepping
off a seat and flipping acrossthe water like multi-vehicle car
accidents how I liken that toand at at 12 and it's like just

(35:09):
torque my body in so manydifferent directions right yeah
so and then falling on my headmany times just you know outride
my bike or whatever it's like somany concussions are probably
undiagnosed all these differentthings but what was coming out
was like my body was goingliterally back through these
motions and like arching andtwisting and just all kinds of
stuff and it's like to the pointof where I felt like my body

(35:31):
can't go there but it wants togo there but it's like feels
like it's gonna snap becauseit's like so much motion but it
was just trying to go backthrough these things so that it
could actually let it go andrelease it.
And then after the process ofdoing some of the physical stuff
then like more of the emotioncould come out it had to like
you know the body's differentit's very interesting that way

(35:53):
it's doesn't how we think onething is going to come out first
no that's not always the caselike oh wait that's the thing
that was there maybe first orprimary it should come out for
no it's gonna choose whateverwhatever feels safe enough to
let let go of that's what it'sgonna come out.
So for me being emotional infront of other people was at

(36:14):
that time was not safe.
So it chose the physical thing.
Yeah this is how I view it.
Yeah yeah and so that what cameout but as I started to go
through this and reallyunderstand like oh my gosh this
is this is what I've beenholding for like all my life you
know this this different aspectof the trauma emotion okay the

(36:35):
energetic stuff and as soon as Ikind of went through that series
of classes my my body felt sodifferent my my mind was
different my just overall how Ilook at things was different it
everything about myself mymental aspect my energetic
aspect my my emotional aspect myphysical aspect everything

(36:56):
started changing and it that waslike okay I I'm a believer now
you know it's like once I had Ihad to kind of go through it
myself you know to really feelit but yeah then then that was
that's what kind of started itall off you know it's like once
I I kind of was feeling it fromthe beginning like there was a

(37:18):
problem doctors did their stuffno problems they couldn't find
anything okay that's not thatbut it's something else and then
I had this I'm like oh my goshnow that's really actually
getting me to shift in differentways that I've never been able
to shift before so what's goingon for now all my clients it's
like okay so how do I protectmyself not taking on uh the

(37:41):
energy so it just began to be uma learning you know a learning
curve obviously you got to gothrough you got to educate
yourself on it and understandwhat it's all about but like you
I went through the coaching tostuff too as well because I
realized that you know I need tobuild to be coaching people and
it and they can't be separatebecause if we're exchanging

(38:02):
energies while you're working onsomebody you're gonna you know
if if you're in tune with yourintuition you're gonna be
getting things they're comingthrough that it's like that's
being housed whether it's in anerve an artery the vein an
organ tissue cranial whateverit's gonna it's there because as
we know there's a lovely bookcalled Body Keeps a score.

(38:22):
You know it's just it has thememory right so and it's been a
huge um revelation I would saynow there's a lot of in the
Baral Institute background theyhave the um this is what they
would call cranial work okaywhich is they do hands-on but

(38:44):
it's process work while they'reworking in the tissue and stuff
like that yeah so that that isone aspect but um you know I
didn't at first I didn't reallycare for that as much you know
at the time and and that wasfine you know so because I think
it was more on the physical soyeah I had to go my own route
through it and I think it's verysimilar what I do now but on

(39:10):
another level even so yeah I'mgonna bring in uh something else
here that in osteopathic care welook at levels so when I say
levels I'm talking about stuffI'm on a structure is it pure
pure structure that's the issueis it fluid is it energetic or

(39:31):
is it there is an emotional onthat one piece.

SPEAKER_04 (39:34):
So you what level is it the primary you know that we
have to deal with I think that'simportant if we really want to
be exceptional practitionerslike to be able to connect in
and and get the information likeis this a spiritual thing is
this mental is it emotional likeand then if it's in the body

(39:55):
what's the root cause and what'sthe one thing I can tell them
that they need to startincorporating into their daily
lives so that they can startmaking a a profound shift.

SPEAKER_01 (40:06):
So yeah absolutely if we don't tackle it from that
point what we see you mean elseas practitioners you will see if
you pay attention that peoplekeep coming back with the same
complaint.
Yeah and it doesn't matter ifyou do not address the primary
root cause of what's going onthey will keep coming back.
It may not be right away butit'll come back and it'll be the

(40:27):
same loop system coming backcoming back coming back because
you haven't gotten to the point.
So if I've got a liver in myhand and I'm like okay yeah
structurally it's a met it likethis position is all out of
crazy whack because they were ina car accident.
Okay great that's fine.
However this thing doesn't haveany vitality because their
energetic system is clear overthere.

(40:47):
Because when they got hit fromthis side they pushed everything
out.
So we got to address that pieceback in because it's it's one of
the things you got to get theprimary first.
So say like so how I how Ireally work with people to
understand this is is going intowhen I start to feel on
something like I'm testing allthese different levels.

(41:08):
Okay I'm going down just doingstructural assessment okay good
you have this this this othercomplaints good okay um then
within that that primary areathat I find is structurally then
I say okay looking at thatthat's great now let's let's
look at the energetic systemwhat's going on there and then I
say okay this is kind of theprime area how does that

(41:31):
energetic system affect thisstructural thing yeah is it you
know is this energetic thingbeing dominant to the structure
or is the structure beingdominant to that so I use just a
simple inhibition testing youknow um basically it's like a
way of giving support to thatarea of the body or that's level
to see what happens in the otherones if I give support to the

(41:52):
energetic does the does thestructure shift does it allow it
to also start to change and comeand come back to neutrality or
or vice versa.
So I'm testing primary that wayand so there's that system then
there's the mental aspects ofwhat's going on for them and
there's an emotional fact andemotional I'm testing all these
things to find like what'sreally the dominating thing you

(42:13):
know that I can do the biggestbang for the buck right now for
this individual okay what dothey need to know so this is
really where I come to educatingpeople on this they may not have
any idea about this kind ofstuff which is pretty much how
it is for most people that's whythey're coming they they think
they have this problem but theybut they really have this

(42:33):
problem.
They really have an ancestorwho's draining their energy like
yeah yeah exactly exactly andyou know it's it's it's very
common it's just how it is soespecially when it's an
energetic thing.
So I'm gonna give you just acouple examples of some of my
clients if that's okay.
Yes yeah no this is great justthings I've experienced you know

(42:56):
and so so say like I've had manypeople that all of a sudden
they've got their inner theirenergetic bubble around them is
like say it's symmetrical it'skind of like just normal about
three foot around no problemright that's ideal.
Then all of a sudden and I'mfeeling it's like they've got
this piece that's like shiftedway out over to one side right
left back what doesn't matterwhat it is and then you can

(43:20):
explain what that means tosomeone who doesn't understand
energy because um I think thatthat's an important thing to
know when your energy is shiftedoutside of you.

SPEAKER_04 (43:36):
And um kind of like why what that means like because
you can like you can use me asan example because you helped
call all my energy back when weworked so you could always use
me as a reference point from thework that we did.
But like when you think aboutwhen your energy is like I think
of the movie like Doctor Strangewhen she pushes on him and is

(43:59):
like consciousness separatesfrom his body like and like you
can still blow out it's kind oflike that if you had to like
explain it to someone who has noclue what we're talking about.
Because not everyone sees energythe way that we do just because
they're not like trained in ityet.
So what does that mean almostlike when their energy is
outside of them or like whatwould that cause what would

(44:21):
cause that?

SPEAKER_01 (44:21):
Well let's step back for a second just think about
heart being the battery of theof the body right it's like the
energizing piece.
So it gives off theelectromagnetic field already
around us right that's sciencethat's a straight up fact.
So um just think about thisthough that everything around
you has an energy if you thinkabout that standpoint.
So it's no different than yourheart is different than this.

(44:42):
It's the same same thing.
Okay.
So that thing's that phone's gotan energy that's why they tell
you don't put this thing morethan 30 inches next to you
because shit's gonna give youcancer that's in the small print
yeah they don't put that on thewarning label no no no no no
that's in the small print rightat the bottom so but we have

(45:04):
this this energetic aspect of usokay it's like the that that
battery that's running and andkeeps us cohesive so to speak
okay we have different what wecall chakra systems in the body
that are just areas of of energythat gets housed in it.
Okay and those areas havedifferent roles so to speak as
far as intuition or using ourpower or sexuality all that kind

(45:28):
of stuff.
But anyhow that's just our ouraspect of energy so when it
comes to being outside of theway I see things a couple couple
of fold if somebody has been intrauma like a physical trauma in
osteopathy be called a force inprint literally the force of

(45:48):
that thing that happens whetheryou fall on the ground whether
you're in a car and you get hitfrom the car and so that force
goes through you okay and itwill literally shift things your
body itself organs within yourbody and that energetic field
that is ours okay can getshifted that's just from a

(46:08):
physical trauma but it's say ifyou have an emotional trauma an
aspect that you for whateverreason or didn't feel safe and
it feels scary to be there itwill also move outside of your
body okay which you'veexperienced that for yourself
I've experienced that for myselfum we have our personalities

(46:31):
okay we all have them when theydon't feel safe they just
literally disintegrate from ourthe whole the they're not
copacetic and and getting alongwith each other.
All the kids aren't playing niceon the playground I call them
the itty bitty shitty committeeI love it I love it so they get
disintegrated so that energeticpart of you is outside of you

(46:53):
now and it feels safe out therebecause inside it does not feel
safe anymore.
So it it's just an aspect of ofourself that has like I was
coming back doesn't feel safe itjust moves outside.
So it's either safe is usuallywhy though yeah so it's outside
and and that could be for like Isaid many different reasons.

(47:13):
It could be because A maybeyou're scared about moving
forward with something so maybethat's showing up as it's over
here to the right okay maybe mymasculine drive I gotta go well
do something but I don't feelcomfortable doing it.
So and it's part that I reallyneed to move forward in for
multiple patients of mine for areason suddenly I become a a a
uh relationship coach lately.

SPEAKER_04 (47:35):
Oh my God because that is the root of pain don't
let don't get me started on itI'm gonna we're gonna do a
separate episode on it.

SPEAKER_00 (47:42):
They come in for all this but it goes right down to
that point.

SPEAKER_04 (47:45):
It's always down to like loneliness, biting
narcissistic abuse recovery Imean it's always like the root
cause of most pain isrelationship trauma.

SPEAKER_01 (47:56):
Yeah yeah because we want to be loved and seen by
everybody you know that's how itis and somehow it doesn't come
in that way.

SPEAKER_04 (48:02):
It's our it's our it's our natural human nature to
want to be loved and to lovesomeone in return and to find
partnership and build a lifewith someone like that that's
that is our human nature.

SPEAKER_01 (48:14):
Yeah totally so yeah it's been it's been interesting
to see people going through thistype of thing right now and
where their energy is gettingshifted.
You know to see it actually goto an aspect that is feminine
posterior and behind which is ittends to be more past related

(48:36):
stuff we start to tap intothings and they're like yeah I
I've got this issue and I I'mnot allowed to you know I feel
like I'm not allowed to speak mytruth around certain things
especially around men that Ihave to kind of be subservient
like oh that's interestingbecause I'm seeing this back to
like literally like 10generations back this is what
happened for your generations.
So you've been carrying this allthis time through this you know

(48:57):
these lifetimes and andgenerations but but it's also
happening to you now.
So but that's where it shows upso then all of a sudden maybe
it's you know it's something onthe the masculine side of that
wanting to move forward.
So it's like all these differentthings but but what happens is
that when I hone in on that andthen I feel the structural I

(49:19):
could have them standing and sayhey you you feel your body
having a hard time moving withthis you're like yeah yeah no
problem I totally feel that wellI say you know well I'm gonna
support this little piece overhere and I want you to tell me
what your body does.
And so I support it and all of asudden their body shifts and
allows them to start movingagain.
And they're like well what didyou just do?
I said I supported that piece ofyou that you're not willing to

(49:41):
look at right now and that'sokay.
And it's this piece and they'relike how did you know that I'm
like because that's just youknow the energy so hard to
answer that question isn't itsometimes it is you're like I
don't know you've got yourgrandma's here and she told me
like it's just like Yeah I knowthey're like what like I don't
and then I'm like oh how do Iexplain this in science like

(50:04):
okay wait a minute like yeahyeah absolutely and you know so
I had a client just the otherday and I met her in a spiritual
workshop and I was she's anamazing gal but um she was just
having a lot of a lot of blocksshe had some physical things you
know she had a total kneereplacement and just the little
things you know in her body butshe's had having some
difficulties moving around thisstuff but I also knew and

(50:25):
understand that she's her sonpassed away she's got a lot of
heaviness but as we went throughthe thing her whole body it's
like she she really wascongested down like the whole
system was like if you couldtake it and just like like
nothing was happening right inthe vitality wise just not
expressing itself like it needsto express itself like a whole

(50:47):
what we call whole body you knowvitality just is like down gone.
Yeah and one of her complaintswas long time depression anxiety
um headaches like feels likejust compressed in her head all
the time and I started to reallylike the physical was there but
then I was like what's going onwith the energetic stuff like

(51:08):
her whole upper chakra wasoutside of her body seemed to be
like trying to shut down and Istarted to work with her a
little bit this way and toconnect with that and then her
son showed up and then westarted talking he was talking
to me and I was just kind ofgoing talking to her about it
and how do you handle that whensomeone's loved one they're

(51:29):
there for body work andsomeone's loved one shows up
because that happens all thetime it's a touchy subject for
people that don't necessarilyget it andor might be afraid of
it.
So this individual was not so itwas perfect.
Yeah so just holding some spaceon her crown like on her
forehead and then on her heartshe went through this whole

(51:54):
unwinding okay around this piecearound her son and and it was so
beautiful to watch her do thatand and for me I was just doing
my thing and just allowingpeople you know my intuition to
you know lead the whole show andas soon as it cleared we went
back and started checkingdifferent things in the body and

(52:15):
it's like oh that's interestingnow it's like now you're showing
me some true structural thingsthat are actually stuck here.
I'm like okay cool released acouple different things no
problem it came back in andstarted balancing it with the
energetic system.
So she goes she calls me thenext day and she felt great
after it was it was good youknow she did really really well
yeah and and uh next day shegoes to Pilates and she told me

(52:38):
in the history taking that thePilates she's has trouble with
it like certain things your bodyjust doesn't do it won't do.
And she's trying to but it justwon't let her do it.
She goes to Pilates the next dayand doesn't say anything and the
instructor's like what happenedyou're like this is the bot this
is the body I was waiting toshow up and I've been trying to
work with what and all of asudden she's able to do all
these different things and shewas so amazed because it's like

(53:02):
it was just so trapped downinside that it couldn't allow
any kind of like how I call itis like the body can't like let
go and stretch and do what itneeds to do because it's like
this.
It's like two weeks inside it'slike you know so yeah it's like
you have to get it to like relaxand you know a central nervous

(53:26):
system brain spinal cord have tobe able to just come out of
fight and flight they have to gointo the parent sympathetic
tone.

SPEAKER_04 (53:34):
She was just very very high sympathetic tone you
know around this trauma you knowso I can't imagine because I
know losing the the thought ofeven losing one of my children
is like I don't know how youcome back from it.
And also as a reluctant mediumnot someone who ever thought I
would be considered a medium nothappy about it when it came in I

(53:56):
was pretty pissed um that it waseven something I had to deal
with I was like nobody's Ididn't sign up for this garbage.
I don't want to be talking todead people like I was like
whoopy Goldberg right when sheanyways that was my experience
mostly because the first time ithappened I was with a plane and
her husband came in but he likecame in and I was like no I

(54:19):
don't want to like what'shappening and I didn't know how
to put boundaries up with thespirit plane.
Anyways um now when they come inI'll be like you can sit in the
corner if I if I invite you togive me information you can but
um only if uh invited otherwiseI'll kick you out uh so behave
anyways I think that um that itcan also be the root cause of

(54:40):
pain though if it's agreed um orif it's also I mean I don't like
to say the word but kind of likeum like a like an energy that's
following you that doesn'tbelong to you.
Unresolved trauma can follow youlike that energetically and
that's like where I do a lot ofclearing work with entities and
energy and things like that.

(55:00):
But that that can impact yourbody's ability to heal and
transform.
So it's awesome.

SPEAKER_01 (55:05):
Yep yeah absolutely it's uh it can be good energies
and and bad energies you knowit's they're out there so they
don't just they don'tdiscriminate from you.

SPEAKER_04 (55:14):
They do not so it's just an aspect yeah we have to
weed through those things clearthem out best that we can and
begin to become energyresponsible again and know when
we might be holding somethingand yeah I think because of a
lot of empaths they I hear themonline saying like oh I don't
have any control I'm an impactI'm like you absolutely need to

(55:36):
learn to control that becauseit's also going to be filtered
through your own experience oflife.
So what you might be picking upmight be wrong actually.
So you need to make sure that ifyou are or identify as an empath
that you take responsibility forthat gift and that you learn how
to manage energy um otherwiseyou will get sick and that's

(55:58):
that's on you.
It's your responsibility to makesure that you take care of your
energy and um that's yourresponsibility as as an empath
whether or not you want to ornot like you just have to
otherwise you you won't surviveyou'll get sick.
Yeah being in control of yourown empath yeah yeah yeah
absolutely this was like thebest conversation I'm like I

(56:19):
already have 18 other um podcastideas generated in my head while
we were chatting I was like I'mlike a manifesting generator and
a seven so I would my like myseven was like oh my god we need
to have a workshop on like howto connect with the love of your
life like yeah there you go anddo intuitive readings for people

(56:42):
because we're so good at it.
Yeah it'll be fun it'll be funso oh it would be fun and it's a
good way to get out of the umthe the more like oh the
academia of what we do it's it'suh it is actually kind of fun
when you get to spend time justliving in that like um energy of

(57:02):
you know calling peoplesoulmates and stuff anyways I
will talk to you about thatanother time because but I
appreciate too that you are thatyou are somebody so committed to
excellence in everything thatyou do because I think that the
world needs more physicaltherapists, coaches and and

(57:22):
practitioners of all sortsbecause I just kind of all put
us in the the world of healingand coaching.
And that that you are socommitted to that path of
knowledge and excellence.
And I've just seen it over theyears since I've known you too
um always expanding yourknowledge and and in the kind of

(57:44):
like I'll always say in the armyof light like and that's how I
kind of call practitioners isthe army of light.
At least that's how my guidesalways say it.
It's like oh there's this armyof light that is like here to
help elevate people um in theirlives and you know to bring them
and return them back to love.
And I know that you're part ofthat like warrior that warrior

(58:07):
uh energy of returning people toto love basically because when
you're in flow with your higherself that's love and not fear.
So um I just appreciate yourfriendship and also your
commitment to helping peoplebecause it feels nice when I
send the client down to you likedown in the Sacramento area and

(58:27):
I'll be like oh no he's downhe's down there he's but he does
what I do but like probablybetter and like go see him down
there.
And um when that same clientlike came up and saw me she was
like you guys work so similarit's so nice to have that
congruency and care um betweencollege and home anyway.
So um did she come back?
Yeah yeah no I've been treatingher since she got home yeah

(58:50):
awesome so and it was so niceshe was like oh you talk just
like him like you guys say thesame things I'm like oh yeah
that's good yeah because that'sgood saying the right thing so
like but um so it was like alsovery nice to have that like uh
yeah that consistency betweenmessaging and and knowing that
that's coming from that higherplane not ego not what we think

(59:12):
it should be but having totranslate it from source and
then how do you say it to thisperson and get them where they
need to go and I think that'sthe the biggest challenge being
in this work.

SPEAKER_01 (59:22):
But um you know I just I just want to end with one
thing and I think does it itdoesn't matter what kind of
practitioner you are when youreally come from a hard space
and you really decide thatyou're doing work for the
greatest good of thisindividual.

(59:43):
And when you come from thatplace and you understand that
you need to find the the realcore of what's going on at the
root of the issue um and thatthe person that's sitting in
front of you ismultidimensional.
Once we can tap into that andstart to understand that then

(01:00:05):
people are going to shift beyondit doesn't matter what you're
doing.
Okay.
When it's a pureness of love andlight and you have the the
individual um doing things forthe greatest good of for that
person think it doesn't matteryou you could not literally not
know anything what you're doingand just let things flow through

(01:00:25):
you and it's going to happen.
You know um I think it's reallyimportant to come from that
place.
And just try our best to becausewe you know as human nature we
can be egoic but step out of theway and let your higher self
work through through you know isthe biggest thing and let it
just fly because it's the themore I do that the more I just

(01:00:45):
step out of the way and just letwhatever has got to come in come
in for this person.

SPEAKER_04 (01:00:49):
It has nothing to do with me not about me bothering
right yeah so that's the nicestpart of it though isn't it it's
not about you.
You're and I hear that all ofthe time it's like it's it's not
about you you are the conduitwith which healing flows and
it's not coming from you it'sjust passing through you and

(01:01:10):
you're just the you're thevessel the person who did the
knowledge the education orwhatever and you're the one
who's holding space for like Icall it kind of Christ conscious
healing to come through me notfrom me and I and I think that
was how I learned not to getsick from healing people was
because I no longer thought theenergy had to come from me.

(01:01:31):
I simply let it pass through me.
And that to me was the firststep in not getting
energetically drained and notgetting sick doing the type of
work that we do.
And I've seen a lot ofpractitioners where their energy
it's coming from them and it'sdraining them and making them
sick.
And it's like if you could justconnect into the light above

(01:01:52):
your head there's like a light300 feet above your head like
your superconscious light andyou just let that light flow
through you and not from you.
And uh I have a lot of stuff onlike YouTube and stuff that I
that I share with people toteach them how to do that.
But I think that that would benumber one is just don't make it
your energy let it just let itflow.

(01:02:13):
Yeah let it go and let it flow.
I love that oh I'm so gratefulfor you.
I'm gonna post some contactinformation for Jason um and I
am going to help him build a newwebsite so people can find him
online.
And um thank you so much forbeing you yeah look forward to

(01:02:35):
our next little shindig where weoh I have like 18 like I said I
already wrote them all out inthe field they're gonna be
coming in later so I'll probablytelepathically you already got
the download or evil in yoursleep tonight you'll you'll see
my face and I'll be like so Ihave a clipboard and I've got
all of our episodes outlined atleast gosh yeah let that number

(01:02:56):
seven wear off of me a littlebit you have a direct line to
it.
I know I do totally all rightI'm super grateful for you and
thank you.

SPEAKER_01 (01:03:08):
And do you have any parting words of wisdom or
anything for our I would saywell I would say that if from
listening to this if peopledon't still kind of understand
they want to know more aboutenergy words go go do it because
it's an aspect of who we are golearn some stuff and begin to
understand um what it's aboutand being able to shift things

(01:03:28):
because we easily can shiftstuff you know um do the own
work on ourselves and don'tnecessarily have to go to
somebody else but you can getsome training in it and all that
kind of stuff.
But um but yeah we we are ableand capable to do it ourselves.

SPEAKER_04 (01:03:41):
So absolutely just do it thank you and um I'm gonna
uh um thanks Jason again and Ilike I said I'll post some of
his contact information ifyou're interested in working
with him.
Take care.

unknown (01:03:59):
Bye

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