January 7, 2025 • 32 mins
John Jarman shares his transformative journey from coaching to faith, reflecting on how life’s challenges became opportunities for growth. Through mentorship, personal experiences, and community engagement in sports, he inspires listeners to foster resilience and faith in their daily lives.
• John’s coaching journey and personal growth
• The impact of the Marine Corps on his life
• His turning point and surrender to Christ
• Insights into writing and sharing personal testimonies
• The importance of mentorship and guidance in faith
• Engaging youth through FCA and its community impact
• Discovering how faith intertwines with sports and coaching
• John’s encouraging message to aspiring authors and leaders
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right.
So today I'm with John Jarmanand this is a little bit of his
testimony.
So what did you like most aboutbeing a football coach?
Speaker 2 (00:14):
You know, just for me , the game planning and, you
know, the Friday night and youknow, having the ability to, you
know, see what the opponent'sdoing and adjust on the fly to
that, that was the part of itthat really got to me.
Um, you know, and they're just,you know, watching the kids
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improve over time.
Um, you know, from thebeginning of the season to the
end of the season, uh, you know,I, I took over a few losing
programs and were able to turnthem around, so that that
challenge of seeing the growthnot only in the kids but in the
programs were, you know, the twoof the biggest things that I
enjoyed the most out of coaching.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Nice, and who did you coach for?
Who did you coach for who?
Who did you uh?
What school did you coach for?
Speaker 2 (01:07):
I coached for a number of schools.
I started my career out inCalifornia when I was still in
the Marine Corps, um, and then,uh, did a coaching stint at
Athens high school in Athens,ohio, um, as I worked on my
undergrad degree, then got on asa grad assistant at Ohio
university, uh, when I wasworking on my master's, and then
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I moved to North Carolina and Imoved to Georgia, then I moved
back to Washington.
So you know I bounced.
You know I don't want to say Ibounced around, but I moved
around quite a bit to differentschools and you know it was just
a, it was a blessing in all ofthe schools to be able to move
to there and then help them outand help them rebuild their
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programs.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
Nice.
So you were a Marine, right,yeah, what did you like about
that?
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Again.
I went in the Marines initiallyjust to get out of the
situation I grew up in and getsome money so I could go to
school to become a coach.
And you know just thecamaraderie of the brotherhood
of the Marines.
I mean, we still, the people Iserved with in 29 Palms for
three years, we still stay incontact.
You know, and it's just youknow the saying that once a
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Marine, always a Marine, is true, because you know, once you
have that fellowship it nevergoes away.
Um, and you know they're,they're kind of like an extended
brotherhood of your family.
So Nice Boot camp was not thefunnest time, but you know it
was what it is so yeah, my uh,my uncle was a Navy SEAL.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
Oh okay, yeah, my uncle was a Navy SEAL, oh okay,
so he definitely did some crazyinteresting things.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Yeah, I mean boot camp physically wasn't.
I had harder times on my highschool practice field.
Physically Boot camp is amental game because they're
trying to see who's going tocrack under pressure and who's
going to step up and lead.
And you know, I mean they aretrying to get you ready to go to
combat.
So you know what she and I wentin is at 23.
So I was a little older, soonce I caught on to that it was
easier to handle the you know,the everyday I don't want to say
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torture, but the everydayevents of boot camp.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
It was easier to handle once you figured out that
Gotcha.
So what ultimately brought youto Christ?
Speaker 2 (03:36):
What was the breaking point?
You know it was 2016.
I was going through.
You know, I'd been growing infaith up to then.
I'd been working with aspiritual mentor here in
Washington and I was goingthrough a tough time.
I owned a personal trainingbusiness.
It was struggling.
I'd lost my mom, my dad, twoolder brothers, my little
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brother's wife was dying, andyou know just everything started
to crumble in.
And you know, I got up onemorning in my prayer time and
that's when I totally gave upcontrol and told him that you
know it's in his hands.
And that's when, you know, mylife changed for the better
because I held on to thatcontrol.
And you know, once I let thatgo, you know I started seeing
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the world differently.
I started seeing scripturedifferently and everything
changed at that point nice, um,and what?
Speaker 1 (04:36):
what has been the biggest difference like in your
life since?
Like coming back to christ,like what's the biggest
difference?
Speaker 2 (04:46):
well, I'd have to say the book.
Yeah, because if, if, if, you'dhave told me, you know, four
years ago that I would havewritten a book and and be on
shows like yours, you know,talking about my testimony, I
would have laughed at you.
Um, you know it's.
It's the book was.
It was spiritual driven.
Um, you know, the story behindthe book is.
I started to write it in 2014when my counselor told me I
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should write a book.
Uh, I got five chapters intothe book and I didn't really
know where to take the book, sothe zip drive basically sat on
the shelf until, um, let's see,the book's been out since three
years now.
So since 2020, august of we'rejust over three years now.
So since 2020, august of we'rejust over three years.
Um and so, um, I was in mymorning prayer reading time and,
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um, I came across hebrews 1036,which says when you're doing
the will of god, you mustpersevere to get what you
rewarded.
And an hour later, I was doingsome cardio and I read in a aj
sobota's Sobota's very firstbook it's called messy and he
was talking about the will ofGod and he said that no one told
him if anybody would read hisbook or buy his book.
He just had to write it.
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When I those two things, thatwent okay.
I got to finish my book, and soI made a commitment to write
every day for two hours, um, andthe book was done in four weeks
, um, so it was just a spiritualdog, and so, you know, that's
the biggest change in my life isis the release of that book and
, you know, just having theability to share my testimony
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and touch lives of people, um,so that would have to be the
biggest.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
What would you say to people who might want to write
a book?
Like me, I'd like to write abook I want to do like a
Christian coaches and athletesbook, you know.
So, like I don't know.
Like, do you have anything youwould like to say to like, maybe
inspire people to be like hey,you know, like, this is possible
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, you can do it like.
Hey, you know, like this ispossible.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
You can do it.
Well, I think anything'spossible if you put your mind to
it.
I mean, if you have anythingthat you want to do, first and
foremost, and then it's justsetting aside the time to do it.
You know, for for those thatare, you know, interested in
writing a book, it's, you knowyou got to have the outline
first.
You know you got to outlinewhat you want the chapters to be
and then have an idea of whatyou want to put in those
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chapters by outlining thechapter a little bit, and then
you know if it's a spiritualbook.
You know, pray before you writeand then, just, you know, let
the Lord lead it and go fromthere.
It's not an easy task.
You know, I started my book in2014,.
Didn't finish it till threeyears ago, but then, luckily, I
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was talking with my spiritualmentors.
I was finishing it and I askedif he knew an editor, because I
have dyslexia.
So I needed somebody to editthe book to make sure that the
type you know, there wasn'ttypos and stuff like that in
there.
And he had a former colleagueof prayer ministry that that was
now doing editing, and I got ahold of arlen and we went
through the book and turned outshe's a scout for morgan james
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publishing um.
And then they picked me up andthat that whole process between
finding arlen and getting signedby the publisher was about
eight months.
And you know that wouldn't havehappened, you know, without the
you know intervention and inthe hand of god and everything
so nice, um.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
So throughout your time as a coach and marine,
which verse in the bible is yourlife verse that you go to when
times get tough?
Speaker 2 (08:24):
well, I, I I'd have to say this because, you know,
during that time I wasn't asdeep in office as I was, you
know.
So I don't really think I had afavorite verse.
You know, I kind of I say thisin the book I had when I coached
up here one of my coaches was aminister and he played in the
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NFL and um, in his sermons hewould call what I was and I and
I laugh about this now is thesubmarine Christian.
They go to church on Sunday andthen they go underwater the
rest of the week, um, and sothat's kind of where I was, um,
you know, I, I knew who Christwas and I went to church, but I
didn't study the word, I didn't.
You know, I didn't have thatreal, true vertical connection
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and the relationship that I havenow.
So back then I probably didn'thave a verse, but the verse that
I have now is Exodus 2020.
It's actually tattooed on myright forearm and it it
basically says do not be afraid.
God has come to test you sothat the fear of God will be in
you to to keep you from sinning.
And that, to me, it's myfavorite verse because of the
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address it's 2020, and clearvision is 2020.
And so to me, that's God'sclear vision that he wants us to
understand that it is going tobe a test, but he's doing it for
a reason, so that you havereverent fear of him to
hopefully keep you in inobedience, and that's what that
verse means to me.
And then there's a few otherverses there's 17 other verses
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in the bible that have thataddress, and 10 of those 17 have
instructions on how we're tolive and act as christians, and
so that little series was whatinspired me and and that's, you
know, that's my favorite verse.
And you know, I made it throughthe marine corps without
getting and and that's, you know, that's my favorite verse.
And I made it through theMarine Corps without getting a
tattoo, and that was the firsttattoo I got about six, about
four and a half years ago.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
So Nice, yeah, I actually.
My favorite verse is Romans 8,28, where God works all things
together for good to those wholove him and are called
according to his purpose.
And it's my favorite versebecause it's just kind of a
reassurance for good to thosewho love him and are called
according to his purpose.
And it's my favorite versebecause it's just kind of a
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reassurance that, even if thingsdon't go my way, I know that
God has a better plan, and yeahso.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
Well, sometimes I think, when you think you have a
plan and it turns and itdoesn't go the direction you
want, I think that's it.
Think you have a plan and itturns and it doesn't go the
direction you want, I thinkthat's it's either for you know,
because you shouldn't be goingdown that path, or that you know
the Lord has a different pathfor you.
So you know you just got to letgo and let him take control and
, and you know, not worry aboutit and just ride it out.
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But you have to have that.
You know, for me, the dailyconnection with prayer and
reading is a must in order forthose things to take place.
So, and then you have to have avertical connection.
I know you work with FCA.
You know that that verticalconnection here on Earth is
important too, because we haveto have that fellowship with
other people you have.
You need mentors, you know, andI always tell people when I do
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these shows is, you know, if youdon't have a mentor, find
somebody who's farther along inyour walk and in their walk than
you are and, and you know, askthem to mentor you, because
you're going to have questionsabout scripture, You're going to
have questions about certainthings and you and you need that
fellowship and leadership.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
So yeah, and I've, I've had mentors in my life and
they've definitely likeinfluenced me and yeah, that's
another question.
So who do you who's?
Do you have a mentor that youlook up to and is it?
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What's that relationship like?
Do you have like a goodrelationship with someone where
you'd like to have like a mentor?
Speaker 2 (12:12):
Well, my spiritual mentor is Scotty Kessler and
Scotty used to be a footballcoach and you know he started a
men's disciple ministry when hewas in, when he was coaching
here at PLU, and so he's myspiritual mentor and we still
stay in contact and you knowthat's a great he.
Even though he lives in Florida, we still stay in touch with
each other.
Um, you know, as far as mycoaching, I would have to say
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coach grobe and the staff thatwas at Ohio university is
probably the biggest influencethat had on my coaching career.
Um, coach grobe, and then, uh,coach Troy Calhoun, who's now
the head coach at the air forceacademy those, those two
individuals probably had thebiggest impact on my coaching
career.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
Okay Academy.
Those, those two individualsprobably had the biggest impact
on my coaching career.
So, okay, and how do you?
Speaker 2 (13:03):
use your platform as a fitness coach to bring glory
to God.
You know it's, it's.
It's just a, you know I, I liketo when I, when I work, it's
more of a.
You know, if somebody hasquestions, that I'll talk to
them about it.
I don't push it on anybody.
Um, you know I I'd rather havethem come and say hey, you know
I have this question, becausethen then I understand that
there's there's a spark andthere's an interest, and so it's
easier to speak to them aboutuh, christ and and that type of
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stuff.
You know, I don't like to pushit.
It's kind of easy now, withExodus 2020 tattooed on my
forearm, because when I shakehands with people, people see
that and they're like what is it?
And it opens the door for thatgospel presentation, or you know
, to start talking about thegospel, and so, you know, I
didn't put it there for thatreason, but that's what it kind
of came out to be.
So you know it's.
I didn't put it there for thatreason, um, but that's what it
kind of came out to be.
So you know it's, it's prettycool when you, you know, you
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don't even know people and youshake hands and they're like hey
, what is that?
And then you can discuss it andtalk to them about it and, you
know, open up that window ofopportunities for lack of better
terms.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
Yeah, I know, for me, like't know, I guess I just
yeah, I like I'll, I like tolike pray for people.
So, like I'll say hey, do youneed prayer for anything?
Or you know, um, like forhomeless people, I give them
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food and then maybe give them aBible track or something like
that.
Or obviously with FCA you'resharing the gospel and you're
doing it in schools.
But you know, I just yeah, Iguess I don't know, well, I
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don't know, I don't know if it'slike 's, I guess I, yeah, I
don't know well, I don't know.
Shut, I don't, I don't know ifit's like talking to people,
like I don't like, like you said, I don't like force it right.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
Well, like so in the fitness industry, when you're
doing personal training, you youget to know your clients on a
pretty personal level, um,because you spend a lot of time
with them, and so you start tounderstand who their family is
and what their family makeup is,and so it gives you that
opportunity to to say, hey, youknow how's things going, you
know, do you need anything, doyou need it, do you need prayer?
You know.
Once they understand who I amand and where I'm coming from,
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um, you know, obviously thatopens the door for for a ton of
things, um, and so you know thebook.
A lot of the people that whereI work and around where I work
know about the book.
So it's it's they know andunderstand where I'm coming from
, uh, and so it makes it alittle easier to you know to
assist them if they need it, oryou know to speak to them.
And and about the gospel, yeah,yeah, it's definitely important
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.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
Um, and there's honestly like there's no better
feeling than sharing the gospeland getting a response and
having kids especially when kidscome to christ like that's like
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that's literally like probablythe best feeling, like there's
really nothing that compares tothat right so well.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
I mean, it's uh.
I'll tell you a little storyabout when the book came out.
About a year after it released,um, there was a there's a young
lady who reached out, toreached out to me through
facebook and she had been a fewyears behind me in high school
and she saw the book.
So she got the book and sheread it and she direct messaged
me and told me that had she notfound the book at that time in
her life, she was going tocommit suicide.
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And the book brought her backto Christ.
And you know, that to me, isokay.
I don't even need to sellanother book because I saved
somebody's life and brought themback to Christ.
You know, and so I understandthat feeling that you're talking
about.
Um, you know, when I wascoaching, like I said, I really
didn't have, uh, there wasn'tuntil my last few years of
coaching that I that I reallystarted, you know, applying
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principles of of Christ tocoaching, cause, you know, it
just wasn't there.
You know, I I got exposed toChrist through the Marine Corps
and FCA, um, but it took a whilefor me to, you know, start
applying those into my dailylife.
That you know there's.
You know, I don't want to sayit's a regret, but it'd be
interesting to see what mycoaching would be like now
compared to when, you know,because I've given up total
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control.
Uh, and it you know.
It'd be interesting to see, youknow, the difference of the
impact that I would have.
You know, but I consider what Ido as a job coaching because
I'm working with individualswith their fitness goals, are
still coaching, you know so um,but yeah, um, talk a little bit
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more about your experience withFCA.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
Like, what did you like, what, what, what in?
What influence did it have onyou and what did it do for your
life, like, as far as like, didthat help, that help you come to
christ, or was that after?
Speaker 2 (17:58):
no, it was before.
Um, like I, it helped developmy, it helped develop a stronger
sense of faith.
But, like I said earlier, youknow I held on to control
because you know, when I grew up, I was 12 years old, my dad
left so I basically had to, youknow, fend for myself since I
was 12 years old, because youknow it was my mom and my three
brothers after my dad had left,and so you know it was a tough
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upbringing.
And so you know that aspect ofyou know, taking control of my
life then and then going to theMarines and then being a
football coach, those are a lotof things that you have to have
control in, and so I didn't wantto give up the control and so,
even though I started to grow infaith, that holding onto that
control had a block to totalfreedom.
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But FCA was a big impact on thatbecause when I moved to Georgia
, that's when I really gotinvolved in the FCA huddles,
because we had one at the school.
When I moved back up here, weactually started an FCA huddle
at the school and the schooldistrict balked it for a while
and the kids had to go in and doa presentation as to.
You know why it was legal?
You know, because they werebalking us and said it couldn't
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happen.
They didn't want us to happenon campus.
And then, you know, we had FCAthe FCA backing us and they were
.
You know, they were going toprovide legal counsel if we
needed to go that route andeverything.
So it was.
It was an interesting time towatch that take place and the
kids did a phenomenal job intheir presentations and stuff.
Because, as you know, you knowthat the teachers can't lead any
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part of the cuddles.
The kid has to be kid-led.
And so, you know, it was prettycool to watch the kids do that
and grow in that aspect.
And I even had a student on theteam that was.
He was Muslim and he said can Icome?
And I said, well, you need togo talk to your parents, you
know, because it's a Christianthing, and so he ended up
actually attending.
But he would, he would sit at,you know, off to the side and go
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through his religious routinesas we were doing our stuff, and
so that was kind of, you know,cool to see that growth and
cause.
He just wanted to be a part ofit, you know.
So.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
Yeah, it's a really cool uh organization because,
because it literally like itgoes to the athlete.
Yeah, you know, it's like it's,it's for it's, even though,
like these kids, they might likewe do a lot of public schools
so, like some of these kids, youknow, they don't get the gospel
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right.
They don't get, they don't goto church, they don't, they
don't see what what it's like tobe a Christian, right and
they're, they're and they and I,but honestly, so like I work at
Coconut Creek High School andthese kids are so hungry for God
, like they're just likeanswering questions and they're
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and they and they're just likethey want to know about Jesus
and it's like it's a really coolthing, you know.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
I can't imagine being in high schools nowadays with
all the stuff that's going on inthis world.
Oh yeah, and to have FCA beable to be on campus is a
miracle and it's super good forthe kids.
And the more you could getinvolved in that program, I
think, the better it'd be forfor the entire youth population,
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because the the world's such acrazy place right now with all
the transgender and genderaffirmation and all that stuff,
and the kids have so manyquestions and you know we need
them to get seeking the truthrather than all this other stuff
.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
So yeah, and and I think like at that age, um, I
feel like at that age kids aremore receptive, maybe.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
Cause, like once you get older, um, it's kind of like
once you get older, um, it'skind of like once you get older,
you kind of you either don't,you, either are a believer or
you're just you're, you'rehardened.
You know, Like, I feel like ata certain point I mean you can
still come back, obviously, LikeI, like I, my personal
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testimony, I read away from God,I came back to Christianity,
but I feel like if you get themwhen they're younger for Christ,
it's, it's easy, it, it worksout better.
You know, like they they come,like, um, I'm going to try to
say they just it's, it'ssomething that, um, that you
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want to reach the youth.
You want to reach the youthwhen they're, when they're at a
younger age.
You know.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
Right.
Well, I mean it's.
Jesus said bring me thechildren.
So that's kind of what FCA isdoing.
But you know, the thing too is,you know, if I were to speak to
an FCA group, the biggest thingI would say is you know, keep
the faith in Christ and don'tplace faith in the people that
are on the pulpit speaking,because the people on the pulpit
are just as sinful as us andthey can fall just as easy as
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you and I can.
And so, if they, if, if andwhen they do, you know you can't
let that affect your faith,because your faith should not be
placed in the people on thepulpit, it should be your faith
in the Bible and in Jesus Christ.
And you know, I've had, you know, and I say that because of my
pastor here in Seattle.
He fell, and so you know it's,and we, I talk about it in the
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book.
And when I was, when Scotty wasreading the book, to go over
the book before it was released,he asked me you know, john, are
you sure you want to put thisin here?
And I said yeah, because at thetime those teachings were valid
and they helped me grow.
But you know, my faith's not inthat person.
My faith is in Christ and eventhough that person fell, you
know, all we can do now is prayfor him that he repents and he
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comes back.
Um, you know, and, and sothat's, that's a message that I
would give to any FCA huddle is,you know, make sure your faith
is grounded in Christ and notthe people that are teaching you
the word, because they couldfall just as simply as anybody
else.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
Yeah, and I had that happen to me too.
I don't know if you're familiarwith Pastor Bob Coy.
He was the pastor of Calvary,fort Lauderdale, and he also
fell into.
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You know, fell and you know,yeah, so, like that, really, I
put my faith in a man ratherthan God, and man let me down
and yeah, yeah, so so it, uh,it's uh, yeah, it's.
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It's hard Cause, like you know,it's not cause the church
wasn't built on that person, thechurch was built on Jesus,
right, and if we put our faithin those people, they're always
going to let us down.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
Well, and that's why it's said.
You know, the saying that Ilove the most is hate the sin,
but love the sinner.
You know, we're taught to loveour neighbor as ourself.
The sinner, you know we're.
We're taught to love.
Love our neighbor as as ourself.
And and the thing is, is, ourneighbor is going to be, you
know, one of those people thatyou know.
Eventually you're hopefully not, but you know they're going to
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fall at one time or another andand we don't pass judgment on
them we pray for them and and wehelp them.
You know, come back, if that'swhat they're looking to do and
repent, and, and you know it's,it's like, I'd say, anybody.
You know, if you fall, it's it's.
The choice is yours whether youwant to repent, um, you know,
and, and so you know that'sthat's what we have to do as
Christians is is, you know,we're not to judge, we're not to
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, you know, pass judgment.
We're just supposed to love andand you know, showing that love
and that time of need when theyfall, that's probably going to
be more valuable to that personthan you know, whatever you've
done in the past.
So, because you're standing bythem, even though they've
they've fallen, you're, you'resaying, hey, it's okay, you know
we're going to be here, we'regoing to help you through it and
we're going to pray for you,and so I think that's more
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important than anything.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
So yeah, um, important than anything.
(26:36):
So yeah, um, yeah, so, um, um.
So how do you believe sportsand faith coincide and how do
they relate, and maybe tell mewhat it is about sports and
faith that you find sointeresting, you know?
Speaker 2 (27:00):
Well, the biggest thing I'd have to say is one you
have to have dedication to yoursport, where you have to have
dedication to your faith as well.
You know you have to have adaily practice.
You know sports it's yourworkout, it's your time on the
practice field, where yourrelationship with Christ it's
prayer and daily Bible readingso that you can understand that
(27:22):
relationship.
And then you know, if you lookat the faith side of it, you
know, especially in football andteam sports, you have to have
faith that your teammate next toyou is going to do what they're
supposed to do to help yousucceed.
And Um and understand, justlike we were talking about, he
might not do it all the time, hemight make a mistake and we're
not going to get mad at him,we're just going to hey, you
know, let's pick it up and youknow, keep on going, um.
(27:45):
And so you know that's thebiggest thing.
Comparison, I think, withsports and and and Christianity
and your walk with crisis is youhave to have discipline, you
have to have faith in others.
Um is you have to havediscipline, you have to have
faith in others, but, again,your ultimate faith needs to be
in Christ and you have to cometogether with that same goal,
(28:06):
and that's how I would combinethe two and point to their
similarities.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
Yeah, and that's another beautiful thing about
FCA is a combined sports andfaith.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
You know how does it help.
Do you do, do?
Speaker 2 (28:23):
you still do a weekly huddle, or do you do more than
one, or do you just do once amonth?
Speaker 1 (28:28):
Um so, so basically okay.
Um, so right now I have I havethe huddle with um coconut creek
high school.
That's my main huddle, but thenI also um help with other
huddles.
So, like my, I have a goodfriend, mark.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
I go to his huddles, I do, I take pictures, I what I
was asking is theuddles are theystill just once a week or do
you do more?
Oh sorry, when I was, when Iwas with it, we did one a week.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
So oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
So yeah, the the coconut Creekhigh is once a week on a.
It's like Thursday, thursday,and it's like we go to the
school, we bring pizza, we dothe Bible, we pray, we do the
Bible study.
Yeah, so yours is in theevening, then what's that?
Speaker 2 (29:25):
Yours is in the evening.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
No, it's actually.
It's actually afternoon, ohokay.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
See the way I still, like we always did, we're in the
morning, so oh, you See the wayI stylized where it was did
were in the morning.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
So, oh, you did in the morning.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
Yeah, yeah, we'd have breakfast and we'd start off
that way and had, you know,typically have a speaker come in
or something like that and gofrom there.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
so Nice, all right.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
I was just curious as to if FCHM's budged at all,
because I haven't been involvedin it since 2005, so it's been a
while yeah yeah, it's a goodministry.
Oh no, it's awesome.
It's super ingrained in thehigh schools and colleges down
south.
It's very there's not too manyhuddles up here in Washington.
(30:23):
Oh no, because you know this is.
You know, washington and Oregonare probably two of the least
church states in the country.
So it's a battle up here.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
It's liberal right.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
Yeah, yeah.
So it's tough.
It's tough even getting huddlesinto schools.
So what there is, there is apresence and you know it's a
song but it, but you know itneeds to grow and it's that's a
tough thing.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
So Awesome, well, um, it was't know.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
If you want to have anything else you'd like to say,
or Well, like I said, I waskind of in this with you know if
, if you're, you know, if you'refind a mentor.
You know, that's the biggestthing I could say is you know to
your young listeners uh, youknow, find somebody who's who's
more advanced in their walk andlatch onto them so that they can
help you walk through it andanswer the questions that you're
(31:17):
going to have, cause I had abunch of that.
So you know there's going to bequestions.
You need help with it and youknow, use all the resources you
have.
And then, you know, keep yourfaith in the right area uh,
aimed in Christ rather than man.
And and uh, you know, just staystrong and have a daily
discipline where you read andpray every day.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
So, nice, all right.
Well, thank you, john.
Thank you, I appreciate it.
I enjoyed this interview and,yeah, so have a great day and
God bless.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
God bless you.
Keep up the good work.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
All right, thank you.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
Well, we're just going to keep recording.
All right.
So today I'm with John Jarmanand this is a little bit of his
testimony.
So what did you like most aboutbeing a football coach?
Speaker 2 (00:14):
You know, just for me , the game planning and, you
know, the Friday night and youknow, having the ability to, you
know, see what the opponent'sdoing and adjust on the fly to
that, that was the part of itthat really got to me.
Um, you know, and they're just,you know, watching the kids
(00:36):
improve over time.
Um, you know, from thebeginning of the season to the
end of the season, uh, you know,I, I took over a few losing
programs and were able to turnthem around, so that that
challenge of seeing the growthnot only in the kids but in the
programs were, you know, the twoof the biggest things that I
enjoyed the most out of coaching.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Nice, and who did you coach for?
Who did you coach for who?
Who did you uh?
What school did you coach for?
Speaker 2 (01:07):
I coached for a number of schools.
I started my career out inCalifornia when I was still in
the Marine Corps, um, and then,uh, did a coaching stint at
Athens high school in Athens,ohio, um, as I worked on my
undergrad degree, then got on asa grad assistant at Ohio
university, uh, when I wasworking on my master's, and then
(01:28):
I moved to North Carolina and Imoved to Georgia, then I moved
back to Washington.
So you know I bounced.
You know I don't want to say Ibounced around, but I moved
around quite a bit to differentschools and you know it was just
a, it was a blessing in all ofthe schools to be able to move
to there and then help them outand help them rebuild their
(01:49):
programs.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
Nice.
So you were a Marine, right,yeah, what did you like about
that?
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Again.
I went in the Marines initiallyjust to get out of the
situation I grew up in and getsome money so I could go to
school to become a coach.
And you know just thecamaraderie of the brotherhood
of the Marines.
I mean, we still, the people Iserved with in 29 Palms for
three years, we still stay incontact.
You know, and it's just youknow the saying that once a
(02:20):
Marine, always a Marine, is true, because you know, once you
have that fellowship it nevergoes away.
Um, and you know they're,they're kind of like an extended
brotherhood of your family.
So Nice Boot camp was not thefunnest time, but you know it
was what it is so yeah, my uh,my uncle was a Navy SEAL.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
Oh okay, yeah, my uncle was a Navy SEAL, oh okay,
so he definitely did some crazyinteresting things.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Yeah, I mean boot camp physically wasn't.
I had harder times on my highschool practice field.
Physically Boot camp is amental game because they're
trying to see who's going tocrack under pressure and who's
going to step up and lead.
And you know, I mean they aretrying to get you ready to go to
combat.
So you know what she and I wentin is at 23.
So I was a little older, soonce I caught on to that it was
easier to handle the you know,the everyday I don't want to say
(03:22):
torture, but the everydayevents of boot camp.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
It was easier to handle once you figured out that
Gotcha.
So what ultimately brought youto Christ?
Speaker 2 (03:36):
What was the breaking point?
You know it was 2016.
I was going through.
You know, I'd been growing infaith up to then.
I'd been working with aspiritual mentor here in
Washington and I was goingthrough a tough time.
I owned a personal trainingbusiness.
It was struggling.
I'd lost my mom, my dad, twoolder brothers, my little
(03:58):
brother's wife was dying, andyou know just everything started
to crumble in.
And you know, I got up onemorning in my prayer time and
that's when I totally gave upcontrol and told him that you
know it's in his hands.
And that's when, you know, mylife changed for the better
because I held on to thatcontrol.
And you know, once I let thatgo, you know I started seeing
(04:21):
the world differently.
I started seeing scripturedifferently and everything
changed at that point nice, um,and what?
Speaker 1 (04:36):
what has been the biggest difference like in your
life since?
Like coming back to christ,like what's the biggest
difference?
Speaker 2 (04:46):
well, I'd have to say the book.
Yeah, because if, if, if, you'dhave told me, you know, four
years ago that I would havewritten a book and and be on
shows like yours, you know,talking about my testimony, I
would have laughed at you.
Um, you know it's.
It's the book was.
It was spiritual driven.
Um, you know, the story behindthe book is.
I started to write it in 2014when my counselor told me I
(05:09):
should write a book.
Uh, I got five chapters intothe book and I didn't really
know where to take the book, sothe zip drive basically sat on
the shelf until, um, let's see,the book's been out since three
years now.
So since 2020, august of we'rejust over three years now.
So since 2020, august of we'rejust over three years.
Um and so, um, I was in mymorning prayer reading time and,
(05:32):
um, I came across hebrews 1036,which says when you're doing
the will of god, you mustpersevere to get what you
rewarded.
And an hour later, I was doingsome cardio and I read in a aj
sobota's Sobota's very firstbook it's called messy and he
was talking about the will ofGod and he said that no one told
him if anybody would read hisbook or buy his book.
He just had to write it.
(05:52):
When I those two things, thatwent okay.
I got to finish my book, and soI made a commitment to write
every day for two hours, um, andthe book was done in four weeks
, um, so it was just a spiritualdog, and so, you know, that's
the biggest change in my life isis the release of that book and
, you know, just having theability to share my testimony
(06:14):
and touch lives of people, um,so that would have to be the
biggest.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
What would you say to people who might want to write
a book?
Like me, I'd like to write abook I want to do like a
Christian coaches and athletesbook, you know.
So, like I don't know.
Like, do you have anything youwould like to say to like, maybe
inspire people to be like hey,you know, like, this is possible
(06:42):
, you can do it like.
Hey, you know, like this ispossible.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
You can do it.
Well, I think anything'spossible if you put your mind to
it.
I mean, if you have anythingthat you want to do, first and
foremost, and then it's justsetting aside the time to do it.
You know, for for those thatare, you know, interested in
writing a book, it's, you knowyou got to have the outline
first.
You know you got to outlinewhat you want the chapters to be
and then have an idea of whatyou want to put in those
(07:06):
chapters by outlining thechapter a little bit, and then
you know if it's a spiritualbook.
You know, pray before you writeand then, just, you know, let
the Lord lead it and go fromthere.
It's not an easy task.
You know, I started my book in2014,.
Didn't finish it till threeyears ago, but then, luckily, I
(07:27):
was talking with my spiritualmentors.
I was finishing it and I askedif he knew an editor, because I
have dyslexia.
So I needed somebody to editthe book to make sure that the
type you know, there wasn'ttypos and stuff like that in
there.
And he had a former colleagueof prayer ministry that that was
now doing editing, and I got ahold of arlen and we went
through the book and turned outshe's a scout for morgan james
(07:49):
publishing um.
And then they picked me up andthat that whole process between
finding arlen and getting signedby the publisher was about
eight months.
And you know that wouldn't havehappened, you know, without the
you know intervention and inthe hand of god and everything
so nice, um.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
So throughout your time as a coach and marine,
which verse in the bible is yourlife verse that you go to when
times get tough?
Speaker 2 (08:24):
well, I, I I'd have to say this because, you know,
during that time I wasn't asdeep in office as I was, you
know.
So I don't really think I had afavorite verse.
You know, I kind of I say thisin the book I had when I coached
up here one of my coaches was aminister and he played in the
(08:45):
NFL and um, in his sermons hewould call what I was and I and
I laugh about this now is thesubmarine Christian.
They go to church on Sunday andthen they go underwater the
rest of the week, um, and sothat's kind of where I was, um,
you know, I, I knew who Christwas and I went to church, but I
didn't study the word, I didn't.
You know, I didn't have thatreal, true vertical connection
(09:07):
and the relationship that I havenow.
So back then I probably didn'thave a verse, but the verse that
I have now is Exodus 2020.
It's actually tattooed on myright forearm and it it
basically says do not be afraid.
God has come to test you sothat the fear of God will be in
you to to keep you from sinning.
And that, to me, it's myfavorite verse because of the
(09:31):
address it's 2020, and clearvision is 2020.
And so to me, that's God'sclear vision that he wants us to
understand that it is going tobe a test, but he's doing it for
a reason, so that you havereverent fear of him to
hopefully keep you in inobedience, and that's what that
verse means to me.
And then there's a few otherverses there's 17 other verses
(09:52):
in the bible that have thataddress, and 10 of those 17 have
instructions on how we're tolive and act as christians, and
so that little series was whatinspired me and and that's, you
know, that's my favorite verse.
And you know, I made it throughthe marine corps without
getting and and that's, you know, that's my favorite verse.
And I made it through theMarine Corps without getting a
tattoo, and that was the firsttattoo I got about six, about
four and a half years ago.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
So Nice, yeah, I actually.
My favorite verse is Romans 8,28, where God works all things
together for good to those wholove him and are called
according to his purpose.
And it's my favorite versebecause it's just kind of a
reassurance for good to thosewho love him and are called
according to his purpose.
And it's my favorite versebecause it's just kind of a
(10:32):
reassurance that, even if thingsdon't go my way, I know that
God has a better plan, and yeahso.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
Well, sometimes I think, when you think you have a
plan and it turns and itdoesn't go the direction you
want, I think that's it.
Think you have a plan and itturns and it doesn't go the
direction you want, I thinkthat's it's either for you know,
because you shouldn't be goingdown that path, or that you know
the Lord has a different pathfor you.
So you know you just got to letgo and let him take control and
, and you know, not worry aboutit and just ride it out.
(10:59):
But you have to have that.
You know, for me, the dailyconnection with prayer and
reading is a must in order forthose things to take place.
So, and then you have to have avertical connection.
I know you work with FCA.
You know that that verticalconnection here on Earth is
important too, because we haveto have that fellowship with
other people you have.
You need mentors, you know, andI always tell people when I do
(11:21):
these shows is, you know, if youdon't have a mentor, find
somebody who's farther along inyour walk and in their walk than
you are and, and you know, askthem to mentor you, because
you're going to have questionsabout scripture, You're going to
have questions about certainthings and you and you need that
fellowship and leadership.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
So yeah, and I've, I've had mentors in my life and
they've definitely likeinfluenced me and yeah, that's
another question.
So who do you who's?
Do you have a mentor that youlook up to and is it?
(12:02):
What's that relationship like?
Do you have like a goodrelationship with someone where
you'd like to have like a mentor?
Speaker 2 (12:12):
Well, my spiritual mentor is Scotty Kessler and
Scotty used to be a footballcoach and you know he started a
men's disciple ministry when hewas in, when he was coaching
here at PLU, and so he's myspiritual mentor and we still
stay in contact and you knowthat's a great he.
Even though he lives in Florida, we still stay in touch with
each other.
Um, you know, as far as mycoaching, I would have to say
(12:35):
coach grobe and the staff thatwas at Ohio university is
probably the biggest influencethat had on my coaching career.
Um, coach grobe, and then, uh,coach Troy Calhoun, who's now
the head coach at the air forceacademy those, those two
individuals probably had thebiggest impact on my coaching
career.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
Okay Academy.
Those, those two individualsprobably had the biggest impact
on my coaching career.
So, okay, and how do you?
Speaker 2 (13:03):
use your platform as a fitness coach to bring glory
to God.
You know it's, it's.
It's just a, you know I, I liketo when I, when I work, it's
more of a.
You know, if somebody hasquestions, that I'll talk to
them about it.
I don't push it on anybody.
Um, you know I I'd rather havethem come and say hey, you know
I have this question, becausethen then I understand that
there's there's a spark andthere's an interest, and so it's
easier to speak to them aboutuh, christ and and that type of
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stuff.
You know, I don't like to pushit.
It's kind of easy now, withExodus 2020 tattooed on my
forearm, because when I shakehands with people, people see
that and they're like what is it?
And it opens the door for thatgospel presentation, or you know
, to start talking about thegospel, and so, you know, I
didn't put it there for thatreason, but that's what it kind
of came out to be.
So you know it's.
I didn't put it there for thatreason, um, but that's what it
kind of came out to be.
So you know it's, it's prettycool when you, you know, you
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don't even know people and youshake hands and they're like hey
, what is that?
And then you can discuss it andtalk to them about it and, you
know, open up that window ofopportunities for lack of better
terms.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
Yeah, I know, for me, like't know, I guess I just
yeah, I like I'll, I like tolike pray for people.
So, like I'll say hey, do youneed prayer for anything?
Or you know, um, like forhomeless people, I give them
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food and then maybe give them aBible track or something like
that.
Or obviously with FCA you'resharing the gospel and you're
doing it in schools.
But you know, I just yeah, Iguess I don't know, well, I
(14:48):
don't know, I don't know if it'slike 's, I guess I, yeah, I
don't know well, I don't know.
Shut, I don't, I don't know ifit's like talking to people,
like I don't like, like you said, I don't like force it right.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
Well, like so in the fitness industry, when you're
doing personal training, you youget to know your clients on a
pretty personal level, um,because you spend a lot of time
with them, and so you start tounderstand who their family is
and what their family makeup is,and so it gives you that
opportunity to to say, hey, youknow how's things going, you
know, do you need anything, doyou need it, do you need prayer?
You know.
Once they understand who I amand and where I'm coming from,
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um, you know, obviously thatopens the door for for a ton of
things, um, and so you know thebook.
A lot of the people that whereI work and around where I work
know about the book.
So it's it's they know andunderstand where I'm coming from
, uh, and so it makes it alittle easier to you know to
assist them if they need it, oryou know to speak to them.
And and about the gospel, yeah,yeah, it's definitely important
(15:44):
.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
Um, and there's honestly like there's no better
feeling than sharing the gospeland getting a response and
having kids especially when kidscome to christ like that's like
(16:06):
that's literally like probablythe best feeling, like there's
really nothing that compares tothat right so well.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
I mean, it's uh.
I'll tell you a little storyabout when the book came out.
About a year after it released,um, there was a there's a young
lady who reached out, toreached out to me through
facebook and she had been a fewyears behind me in high school
and she saw the book.
So she got the book and sheread it and she direct messaged
me and told me that had she notfound the book at that time in
her life, she was going tocommit suicide.
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And the book brought her backto Christ.
And you know, that to me, isokay.
I don't even need to sellanother book because I saved
somebody's life and brought themback to Christ.
You know, and so I understandthat feeling that you're talking
about.
Um, you know, when I wascoaching, like I said, I really
didn't have, uh, there wasn'tuntil my last few years of
coaching that I that I reallystarted, you know, applying
(16:57):
principles of of Christ tocoaching, cause, you know, it
just wasn't there.
You know, I I got exposed toChrist through the Marine Corps
and FCA, um, but it took a whilefor me to, you know, start
applying those into my dailylife.
That you know there's.
You know, I don't want to sayit's a regret, but it'd be
interesting to see what mycoaching would be like now
compared to when, you know,because I've given up total
(17:19):
control.
Uh, and it you know.
It'd be interesting to see, youknow, the difference of the
impact that I would have.
You know, but I consider what Ido as a job coaching because
I'm working with individualswith their fitness goals, are
still coaching, you know so um,but yeah, um, talk a little bit
(17:39):
more about your experience withFCA.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
Like, what did you like, what, what, what in?
What influence did it have onyou and what did it do for your
life, like, as far as like, didthat help, that help you come to
christ, or was that after?
Speaker 2 (17:58):
no, it was before.
Um, like I, it helped developmy, it helped develop a stronger
sense of faith.
But, like I said earlier, youknow I held on to control
because you know, when I grew up, I was 12 years old, my dad
left so I basically had to, youknow, fend for myself since I
was 12 years old, because youknow it was my mom and my three
brothers after my dad had left,and so you know it was a tough
(18:20):
upbringing.
And so you know that aspect ofyou know, taking control of my
life then and then going to theMarines and then being a
football coach, those are a lotof things that you have to have
control in, and so I didn't wantto give up the control and so,
even though I started to grow infaith, that holding onto that
control had a block to totalfreedom.
(18:42):
But FCA was a big impact on thatbecause when I moved to Georgia
, that's when I really gotinvolved in the FCA huddles,
because we had one at the school.
When I moved back up here, weactually started an FCA huddle
at the school and the schooldistrict balked it for a while
and the kids had to go in and doa presentation as to.
You know why it was legal?
You know, because they werebalking us and said it couldn't
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happen.
They didn't want us to happenon campus.
And then, you know, we had FCAthe FCA backing us and they were
.
You know, they were going toprovide legal counsel if we
needed to go that route andeverything.
So it was.
It was an interesting time towatch that take place and the
kids did a phenomenal job intheir presentations and stuff.
Because, as you know, you knowthat the teachers can't lead any
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part of the cuddles.
The kid has to be kid-led.
And so, you know, it was prettycool to watch the kids do that
and grow in that aspect.
And I even had a student on theteam that was.
He was Muslim and he said can Icome?
And I said, well, you need togo talk to your parents, you
know, because it's a Christianthing, and so he ended up
actually attending.
But he would, he would sit at,you know, off to the side and go
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through his religious routinesas we were doing our stuff, and
so that was kind of, you know,cool to see that growth and
cause.
He just wanted to be a part ofit, you know.
So.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
Yeah, it's a really cool uh organization because,
because it literally like itgoes to the athlete.
Yeah, you know, it's like it's,it's for it's, even though,
like these kids, they might likewe do a lot of public schools
so, like some of these kids, youknow, they don't get the gospel
(20:23):
right.
They don't get, they don't goto church, they don't, they
don't see what what it's like tobe a Christian, right and
they're, they're and they and I,but honestly, so like I work at
Coconut Creek High School andthese kids are so hungry for God
, like they're just likeanswering questions and they're
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and they and they're just likethey want to know about Jesus
and it's like it's a really coolthing, you know.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
I can't imagine being in high schools nowadays with
all the stuff that's going on inthis world.
Oh yeah, and to have FCA beable to be on campus is a
miracle and it's super good forthe kids.
And the more you could getinvolved in that program, I
think, the better it'd be forfor the entire youth population,
(21:14):
because the the world's such acrazy place right now with all
the transgender and genderaffirmation and all that stuff,
and the kids have so manyquestions and you know we need
them to get seeking the truthrather than all this other stuff
.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
So yeah, and and I think like at that age, um, I
feel like at that age kids aremore receptive, maybe.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
Cause, like once you get older, um, it's kind of like
once you get older, um, it'skind of like once you get older,
you kind of you either don't,you, either are a believer or
you're just you're, you'rehardened.
You know, Like, I feel like ata certain point I mean you can
still come back, obviously, LikeI, like I, my personal
(22:06):
testimony, I read away from God,I came back to Christianity,
but I feel like if you get themwhen they're younger for Christ,
it's, it's easy, it, it worksout better.
You know, like they they come,like, um, I'm going to try to
say they just it's, it'ssomething that, um, that you
(22:34):
want to reach the youth.
You want to reach the youthwhen they're, when they're at a
younger age.
You know.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
Right.
Well, I mean it's.
Jesus said bring me thechildren.
So that's kind of what FCA isdoing.
But you know, the thing too is,you know, if I were to speak to
an FCA group, the biggest thingI would say is you know, keep
the faith in Christ and don'tplace faith in the people that
are on the pulpit speaking,because the people on the pulpit
are just as sinful as us andthey can fall just as easy as
(23:02):
you and I can.
And so, if they, if, if andwhen they do, you know you can't
let that affect your faith,because your faith should not be
placed in the people on thepulpit, it should be your faith
in the Bible and in Jesus Christ.
And you know, I've had, you know, and I say that because of my
pastor here in Seattle.
He fell, and so you know it's,and we, I talk about it in the
(23:25):
book.
And when I was, when Scotty wasreading the book, to go over
the book before it was released,he asked me you know, john, are
you sure you want to put thisin here?
And I said yeah, because at thetime those teachings were valid
and they helped me grow.
But you know, my faith's not inthat person.
My faith is in Christ and eventhough that person fell, you
know, all we can do now is prayfor him that he repents and he
(23:47):
comes back.
Um, you know, and, and sothat's, that's a message that I
would give to any FCA huddle is,you know, make sure your faith
is grounded in Christ and notthe people that are teaching you
the word, because they couldfall just as simply as anybody
else.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
Yeah, and I had that happen to me too.
I don't know if you're familiarwith Pastor Bob Coy.
He was the pastor of Calvary,fort Lauderdale, and he also
fell into.
(24:24):
You know, fell and you know,yeah, so, like that, really, I
put my faith in a man ratherthan God, and man let me down
and yeah, yeah, so so it, uh,it's uh, yeah, it's.
(24:49):
It's hard Cause, like you know,it's not cause the church
wasn't built on that person, thechurch was built on Jesus,
right, and if we put our faithin those people, they're always
going to let us down.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
Well, and that's why it's said.
You know, the saying that Ilove the most is hate the sin,
but love the sinner.
You know, we're taught to loveour neighbor as ourself.
The sinner, you know we're.
We're taught to love.
Love our neighbor as as ourself.
And and the thing is, is, ourneighbor is going to be, you
know, one of those people thatyou know.
Eventually you're hopefully not, but you know they're going to
(25:27):
fall at one time or another andand we don't pass judgment on
them we pray for them and and wehelp them.
You know, come back, if that'swhat they're looking to do and
repent, and, and you know it's,it's like, I'd say, anybody.
You know, if you fall, it's it's.
The choice is yours whether youwant to repent, um, you know,
and, and so you know that'sthat's what we have to do as
Christians is is, you know,we're not to judge, we're not to
(25:49):
, you know, pass judgment.
We're just supposed to love andand you know, showing that love
and that time of need when theyfall, that's probably going to
be more valuable to that personthan you know, whatever you've
done in the past.
So, because you're standing bythem, even though they've
they've fallen, you're, you'resaying, hey, it's okay, you know
we're going to be here, we'regoing to help you through it and
we're going to pray for you,and so I think that's more
(26:12):
important than anything.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
So yeah, um, important than anything.
(26:36):
So yeah, um, yeah, so, um, um.
So how do you believe sportsand faith coincide and how do
they relate, and maybe tell mewhat it is about sports and
faith that you find sointeresting, you know?
Speaker 2 (27:00):
Well, the biggest thing I'd have to say is one you
have to have dedication to yoursport, where you have to have
dedication to your faith as well.
You know you have to have adaily practice.
You know sports it's yourworkout, it's your time on the
practice field, where yourrelationship with Christ it's
prayer and daily Bible readingso that you can understand that
(27:22):
relationship.
And then you know, if you lookat the faith side of it, you
know, especially in football andteam sports, you have to have
faith that your teammate next toyou is going to do what they're
supposed to do to help yousucceed.
And Um and understand, justlike we were talking about, he
might not do it all the time, hemight make a mistake and we're
not going to get mad at him,we're just going to hey, you
know, let's pick it up and youknow, keep on going, um.
(27:45):
And so you know that's thebiggest thing.
Comparison, I think, withsports and and and Christianity
and your walk with crisis is youhave to have discipline, you
have to have faith in others.
Um is you have to havediscipline, you have to have
faith in others, but, again,your ultimate faith needs to be
in Christ and you have to cometogether with that same goal,
(28:06):
and that's how I would combinethe two and point to their
similarities.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
Yeah, and that's another beautiful thing about
FCA is a combined sports andfaith.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
You know how does it help.
Do you do, do?
Speaker 2 (28:23):
you still do a weekly huddle, or do you do more than
one, or do you just do once amonth?
Speaker 1 (28:28):
Um so, so basically okay.
Um, so right now I have I havethe huddle with um coconut creek
high school.
That's my main huddle, but thenI also um help with other
huddles.
So, like my, I have a goodfriend, mark.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
I go to his huddles, I do, I take pictures, I what I
was asking is theuddles are theystill just once a week or do
you do more?
Oh sorry, when I was, when Iwas with it, we did one a week.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
So oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
So yeah, the the coconut Creekhigh is once a week on a.
It's like Thursday, thursday,and it's like we go to the
school, we bring pizza, we dothe Bible, we pray, we do the
Bible study.
Yeah, so yours is in theevening, then what's that?
Speaker 2 (29:25):
Yours is in the evening.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
No, it's actually.
It's actually afternoon, ohokay.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
See the way I still, like we always did, we're in the
morning, so oh, you See the wayI stylized where it was did
were in the morning.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
So, oh, you did in the morning.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
Yeah, yeah, we'd have breakfast and we'd start off
that way and had, you know,typically have a speaker come in
or something like that and gofrom there.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
so Nice, all right.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
I was just curious as to if FCHM's budged at all,
because I haven't been involvedin it since 2005, so it's been a
while yeah yeah, it's a goodministry.
Oh no, it's awesome.
It's super ingrained in thehigh schools and colleges down
south.
It's very there's not too manyhuddles up here in Washington.
(30:23):
Oh no, because you know this is.
You know, washington and Oregonare probably two of the least
church states in the country.
So it's a battle up here.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
It's liberal right.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
Yeah, yeah.
So it's tough.
It's tough even getting huddlesinto schools.
So what there is, there is apresence and you know it's a
song but it, but you know itneeds to grow and it's that's a
tough thing.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
So Awesome, well, um, it was't know.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
If you want to have anything else you'd like to say,
or Well, like I said, I waskind of in this with you know if
, if you're, you know, if you'refind a mentor.
You know, that's the biggestthing I could say is you know to
your young listeners uh, youknow, find somebody who's who's
more advanced in their walk andlatch onto them so that they can
help you walk through it andanswer the questions that you're
(31:17):
going to have, cause I had abunch of that.
So you know there's going to bequestions.
You need help with it and youknow, use all the resources you
have.
And then, you know, keep yourfaith in the right area uh,
aimed in Christ rather than man.
And and uh, you know, just staystrong and have a daily
discipline where you read andpray every day.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
So, nice, all right.
Well, thank you, john.
Thank you, I appreciate it.
I enjoyed this interview and,yeah, so have a great day and
God bless.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
God bless you.
Keep up the good work.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
All right, thank you.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
Well, we're just going to keep recording.
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