Ep. 88 w/ Branlin Shockey - Transforming Outdoor Filmmaking with Authenticity and Heart - Son of a Blitch

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Speaker 1 (00:15):
Hello everybody, welcome back to the Son of a
Blitch podcast.
I'm your host, george Blitch,and today you're in for quite a
treat.
I just wrapped up aconversation with Brantley and
Shockey that is going to touchyour heart.
Um, it really I'm I'm stillkind of a buzz from this uh,
just in a wonderful, wonderfulconversation with just a
beautiful human.
That's how his father describedwhen I told him I was going to

(00:37):
be interviewing him.
He's like, he's a beautifulhuman and, uh, you know, I think
we are able to shed light onthat today and his kind of
approach to filmmaking.
You know, I first learned about,you know, branlon through his
work with his father, throughthe professionals and then later
on Uncharted, uncharted Yukonand some of the films that they
had done together, which youknow lasted multiple seasons,

(00:59):
and he also did a reality showfor a season with his sister Eva
, and that was incredible aswell.
You know, there's been so manythings.
He's contributed to somewonderful films and we really
kind of focused a lot on the twomore recent ones.
One is called Once we WereWolves with Cameron Haynes,
which is just in and of itself amust watch.

(01:20):
Check out the show links belowand in the notes here and make
sure you go check that outProfound film and the most
recent one that came out, youknow, a little over a month and
a half ago, called Gone, whichis kind of a documentary of Jim
Shockey's life and just reallytalking about his legacy, his
approach and what it is that hehopes to leave behind.

(01:42):
There's so many things that youknow we chat about too with
Brandon and I today.
You know where a lot of thosewere unscripted moments, you
know, and he was given in bothof those cases, the opportunity
to really just go in there andto film without having a
predisposed idea of how the showis going to go, uh, and just

(02:04):
really kind of to see how thisemerges and what comes from.
Uh, you know the filming andfrom putting in that time and
recording.
Uh, you know these interviewsand you know, in the case of
with cam the hunt and I reallyfeel like, uh, those are are two
really good examples of whatBrandlin is capable of doing, uh

(02:27):
, and which is just putting outsome amazing films that will
touch your heart, touch yoursoul, uh, leave you thinking and
leave you wanting more of thatkind of authentic uh films that
he does.
Man.
I just I'm just blown away, uh,by the conversation we had
today.
We really dove in deep and Ithink you get a really good
taste of who Brantley is and thelove and respect and honor that

(02:52):
he puts into this beautifulwork that he does and that he
shares with us all.
So make sure you're checkingout the show notes, check out
those films.
Go follow Brantley on Instagramfor the announcements of what's
next.
He's got a website that he'sworking on right now and that'll
be coming out soon.
That he, you know, he hints outand I'm sure he'll be
announcing that.

(03:13):
So make sure you're followinghim so you learn about it when
it does, you can check it outand you can check out all the
amazing things he's done andbeen a part of.
Uh, once again, thank you,brandon, for joining me today.
It was truly an honor and aprivilege to sit down with you.
I had such an amazing time andI know that all the listeners
and watchers are going to lovethis podcast.
So, without further ado, hereis my interview with Brandlin

(03:34):
Shockey.
Y'all enjoy Fantastic Listen.
I'm really excited to talk toyou.
I want to dive into a lot ofthe projects you've been
involved in, talk about somemusic, all your film work.
But I kind of want to start,you know, at the very beginning
and kind of give a littleone-on-one background to the
listeners.
So if you can maybe talk to mea little bit about you know

(03:59):
where you grew up and you knowhow you found your way.
Obviously you kind of have aunique story into working with.
You know some of your film workand kind of being involved in
the outdoor space.
So if you don't mind kind ofstarting us off there and we'll
just dive in as we go.

Speaker 2 (04:08):
Yeah, it sounds great Cool.
First of all, thank you forhaving me on today.
This is very exciting.
I appreciate it.
It's funny.
I was just like half an hour ago.
I was filling out this onlineform for this company and
they're asking you know what'smy experience in the firearms
industry and the huntingindustry?
And they said you know how longhave you been involved in the
industry?

(04:28):
And, uh, I was trying to comeup with a number and I just put
you know, since I was born likesmiley face, uh on the on the
forum, cause I mean I've I'vebeen involved in the hunting
industry, outdoor industry,since I can remember.
Uh, some of my earliestmemories are and this is
probably illegal, actually but Ihad a little like a BB gun my
dad got me and he'd be workingat his desk, you know, typing,

(04:51):
and I'd be, uh like under hisdesk firing the BB gun at these
little boxes full of uh likepieces of cardboard and stuff
inside the house.
So, um, yeah, I I've.
I grew up in the outdoorindustry, obviously, and I and I
kind of I strayed a little bitfrom that when I got into um,
you know, high school and anduniversity.
I kind of went through thatphase where, uh, you know, I

(05:12):
didn't necessarily appreciate,uh, you know where you, the
let's see, didn't necessarilyappreciate the environment that
I grew up in and I thought, oh,you know, I'm going to go do
something else, I'm going tolive in a city and wear a suit
and tie, and that.
So I went to university forbusiness and, but I ended up
coming back in the fold a fewyears later.

Speaker 1 (05:33):
Well, how did you find that?
Your foothold Cause I know youknow, obviously, growing up with
your father being kind of anicon in the outdoor industry,
you know there's there can besome pressure, I'm sure, um, for
you know kind of following inthose footsteps.
And then, like you said too,you kind of wanted to move into
something else, but you foundyour way back into that, but in
the role of a storyteller anddoing film work.

(05:55):
So I was kind of curious, likehow that came to be, that you
found that being a drivingpassion that you wanted to kind
of really spend some time and,you know, jump into and run with
yeah, yeah, good question,let's see.

Speaker 2 (06:09):
So, first of all, yes , growing up with Jim Shockey as
your dad is interesting and,looking back, you know I now
have perspective on that.
But yeah, you know, when a guylike that, when Jim Shockey is
your dad, you're never going tobe, you know, manlier than Jim
Shockey.
You're never going to betougher than your dad, you're

(06:30):
never going to.
I mean I'm talking aboutperspective.
Now, right, sure, sure, you'renever going to be.
Uh, you know, I'm never goingto travel the world and and do
more hunting than than dad has.
It's almost impossible.
And so, as a son and I thinkthis is relatively common I mean
you do compare yourself to yourdad.
I mean he's your hero, he's theperson you want to be like.

(06:52):
But for me, following dad'sfootsteps exactly was never an
option and I knew that prettyearly on.
I was like, oh well, dad,you're sitting on that whitetail
stand for 30 days straight tokill that deer.
I don't want to do that.
I, you know that's crazy.
I mean it's cool, it's, it's,it's epic and it's.

(07:13):
You know, all the power to youand and, and I respect what you,
what you do, but man, I, youknow, I don't have that passion,
you're never going to be ableto do what someone like my dad
has done in the industry.
So I was never a storyteller asa kid that I can recall.
I was a numbers kid.

(07:34):
I was into techie, geeky stuff,you know I was.
I was, you know, just a kid.
You know nothing, nothing crazyspecial.
I don't think any of my Englishteachers would be like, oh wow,
you know, he showed so muchpromise, promise as a kid.
You know nothing, nothing crazyspecial.
Um, I don't think any of myEnglish teachers would be like
oh wow, you know, he showed somuch promise, you know, promise
as a kid.
Telling stories, uh, that wasmore something that I discovered
and I was, let's see, um, Iwould film with dad growing up,

(07:57):
so he would, and this isincredible and I'm so blessed to
have this opportunity because,you know, I recognize this is
not normal, but he pulled me outof school and we go, you know,
to Africa or to Australia on onthese trips with him, or New
Zealand, and uh, so I had a lotof worldly exposure, but I was
just holding a camera and I wasshooting video and I wasn't
thinking much of it, so I wouldnever, um, you know, it was just

(08:20):
a job to me and it was, and itwas.
I hate to say that, but I nevergave it the um.
You know, again, I was a kid, Ididn't, I didn't grasp the
opportunities that were handedto me, as is when I was younger.
So we come back and the footagewas fine.
You know, I did whatever Icould and pass it off and no big
deal.
Nothing came of that.

(08:41):
Um, but then, you know, oncegraduated university and I
started looking around andsaying, okay, what am I going to
do with my life?
Like, what, how can I dosomething a little more than
just, you know, get drunk withmy buddies on Thursdays and go
out to the, to the bars?
Uh, dad, at that point you knowwhat he was doing.
I kind of, again, I came backinto the fold.

(09:01):
I started talking more aboutwhat he, his outlook on life and
like how, you know he he looksat challenges as something that
you should pursue.
The bigger the challenge, thegreater the reward.
Um, and I mean like, really toan extreme level, right, and and
so, and I started readingthings like some of the Ayn Rand
books at that time, like thefountainhead.

(09:22):
That really got.
Uh, you know I look back at itnow it's a little bit stilted
writing, but she was brilliantand she changed my life at that
time and I said, okay, I want todo something like Howard Rourke
, like I want to go and buildsomething incredible, make
something incredible.
And the opportunity at thatpoint was sort of a fork in the
road.
I could go into finance and Icould try and do something

(09:44):
incredible there, which I'm veryhappy.
I did not take that route, uh,or I could go into, um, the
outdoor space, and I could tryand figure out how to make a
mark there, how to, how to buildsomething like I'm sorry to any
listeners who are not familiarwith, uh, howard work, he's a
character in the fountainhead,um, but hopefully you are, and
if you're not, I'd highlyrecommend that book.

(10:05):
It changed my life.
I wanted to go and do somethingdifferent.
I wanted to make my mark on theindustry and the only way I
could figure out how to do thatwas to just throw caution to the
wind and try and make somethingcool in the storytelling space,
in the outdoor space.
And again, not everybody hasthese opportunities, of course,

(10:25):
but for me, you know, it wasn'tthat difficult to get my foot in
the door at that point and getan opportunity to make something
, and so I did, and I poured my,my heart and soul, truly, uh,
into the project, and thatbecame the professionals season
one.

Speaker 1 (10:41):
So in the professional season, we want to
know that.
You know your dad came to youand he had the footage there.
That was when he was inPakistan, that's early 09.
And you then were going to bein charge of kind of putting
together that story and, youknow, taking what, I guess you
weren't a part of the filming ofthat, right, didn't you have
all the footage given to you?
Okay, so, which is a wholedifferent world than kind of you

(11:05):
know dreaming this idea up andthen kind of running with it,
which I know you've done inother projects too.
So what did that look like foryou?
As far as you know that, okay,it sounds like, you know, if you
don't have a ton of the editingexperience, there's kind of a
learning curve there.
What did that look like for youto kind of get all this and be
like all right, now I'm going toput this together, or did you
have some background andexperience kind of being around
it from that exposure?
What did that look like?

Speaker 2 (11:26):
Yeah, I did have a little bit of experience because
, uh, when dad started hisoriginal series, which was
hunting adventures, I was aroundwhen that started.
So I would sit there with theeditor and watch him as he was
working on putting the seriestogether.
And, uh, you know his name.
Uh, that was Cody Robbins, andhe basically put that together
from scratch.
And another one, another guynamed Jesse Reardon, and they

(11:50):
learned, you know, as they wereputting that together they went
through all the hurdles that Iwould eventually go through.
So I watched them go throughthat process and then I'm.
So I knew at that point that tomake a show was possible and
you did not have to go to filmschool for a bunch of years.
You didn't have to be somesuper genius person to do it.
Necessarily, I mean, obviouslyI'm not, but clearly, cody Cody,

(12:11):
I love this, but clearly ifCody Cody Robbins, if you could
do that series by yourself,clearly don't need to be a super
genius.
That's kind of an inside thinghe's.
He's an amazing guy and a goodfriend.

Speaker 1 (12:23):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (12:30):
It's a nice little kidney punch to friends.
Yeah, yeah, no, uh.
So so I knew that it waspossible and that's kind of.
But I also knew that I wasquite naive going into it.
And so, yeah, we had all thisfootage and I basically just had
to.
You asked what it looked like.
It looked like a lot of mesitting at a desk, like we're
doing now, and watching, youknow, early day youtube videos
on how to edit and how to putthings together and call people
if I didn't, if I got stuck.
And then um and this is againwhere I got a little bit lucky

(12:54):
at this point I was notinterested in making a hunting
show because that wasn't mypassion.
So what I did in my spare timewas, you know, I'd watch Guy
Ritchie movies, things like that.
And so I and again, beingcompletely naive, I was like,
well, shoot, why don't I justbring some elements of like that
kind of editing style, quickercuts, kind of more music driven

(13:17):
stuff, some more character stuff, less focused on like the kill
shot?
Why don't I bring that into thehunting industry?
Isn't that like a cool idea?
And you know, again, I'm, I'm akid, I've I've got nothing to
lose, you know, and I'm naive asheck, so I think, okay, this
might actually work.
I don't know, it's what I wouldwant to see, and um, and so
that's what I did.
So I learned how to edit, putit all together, and then I

(13:38):
remember, uh, let, that was thePakistan episode.
Was was episode one and it wasa pilot.
We're going to send that pilotoff to the channel and they're
going to look at it.
And my dad came over and wewatched it together and I can't
remember exactly, but I rememberthinking, like at that point,
like, oh, okay, maybe we havemade something.
That's that's, if nothing else,maybe not good, but it's very
unique at that point.

Speaker 1 (14:00):
Well, I think it was both good and unique.
Just watched kind of theepisode a few weeks ago, just
kind of.
You know, start from that point, oh, wow, okay, it was great.
Other things you've worked withyour sister there too.

(14:21):
If you want to just mind, maybekind of give some folks who
might want to go and see some ofthe work you've been a part of,
maybe some of those titles thatyou've been a part of, if you
wouldn't mind.

Speaker 2 (14:31):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
So.
Professionals was the firstseries I did and that was again
started with that Pakistanepisode.
That was a pilot went off tothe channel and they thought it
was again.
I don't know if they said itwas good, but they definitely
said it was unique and differentand uh.
So so you know, I kind ofrolled the dice and hit sixes or
whatever, and then we did greatand so that that series came

(14:52):
back and that series did verywell.
We won, all you know, a bunchof awards for that.
Back when, uh, outdoor tv waswas, you know, you didn't back
and this is this is datingmyself but back then, you know,
you couldn't just go findhunting stuff all over the place
, so it's not like so.
So TV was a, was a big deal anduh.
So professionals ran for fourseasons and I didn't start

(15:13):
filming really until a littlebit in season two, and then
season three was really where,like, I got that chance to pick
up a camera again and go back,uh, to places like Nepal, with
being very intentional aboutwhat I was doing.
So because now you've got asuccessful series, but you're
going now every season is newand, by the way, especially in

(15:35):
those days, if you do somethingunique and different, you can
only do that for one year andthen the next year, everybody
else has seen what you're doingand now, all of a sudden, like
you're hearing the same musictracks used and everybody's
cutting differently, and so, uh,you always, I always wanted to
try and like, stay ahead of all.
That I was always in my mind,and whether this is real or not,
I'm not sure, but I alwaysthought, you know, there's,
there's people hungrier than Iam, people that want this, uh,

(15:58):
worse than I do, that are comingup, you know, that are going to
take over what we're trying todo.
I'm trying to make the best.
At that point I was trying tomake the best content I could
make my mark in the industry andI was thinking, well, I got to
get better and better, betterevery year, or else I'm.
You know, people are going tocatch up.
So I went very intentionallyinto season three and that was.
We made a series on the par, uh,uh, was it a four episode?

(16:20):
Uh, like a mini series on thepole.
And that became the pilot for adifferent show called uncharted
, which was kind of like it'skind of like professionals, but
it was more intentionally shot.
So professionals were taking alot of footage that was just
kind of handed to us and thenwe're making, we're kind of
weaving stories through it, uh.
But but uncharted, like I wasgoing on most of the trips,

(16:41):
especially in season one, and wewere shooting, you know, with
the purpose of making theselonger format, more cinematic,
story-driven, character-drivenepisodes.
So, anyway, professionals, fourseasons Uncharted ran for I
think maybe seven seasons with,I think we went into Uncharted
Yukon for the last two.
So we kind of focused on theUtah territory, which was which

(17:02):
was really really cool anddifferent, because dad wasn't
traveling as much then and also,by the way, um, I'm not trying
to take credit for all thefilming of these things, because
I did not film the majority ofthese episodes.
A lot of these were filmed byum, an absolute badass, his name
is matt zanil um, and someother cameraman as well.
But but I couldn't, you knowwhat dad does, where he travels

(17:24):
300 days a year.
You know, at that time I just,you know, I wasn't, frankly, I
wasn't able to do that and stillbe sane.
I was losing my mind a littlebit.
So sure, sure uh, so we didanyway.
So I'll shorten this up.
But yeah, those those uh seriesand what I did, a, uh, just a
one season, I don't know twoseasons with ivan carter on a
show called Carter's War and Iwas following, like you know,

(17:47):
anti-poaching operations inAfrica.
Then we did a season called myOutdoor Family with my sister,
which actually I think it couldhave been a successful series,
but it kind of wasn't.
And again, this is, you know,when I say like I was naive, I
really was naive and I wouldjust do things because I thought
they were cool and I thought,well, reality shows kind of suck

(18:08):
, I don't like watching them.
So let's just like, let's justshow up without a plan and let's
just, you know, follow Evaaround for a bit with her
husband and their young familyand show their dedication to
their businesses and the outdoorlifestyle and their family.
And I thought that would dogreat.
And it didn't, it had badratings.
So, uh, you know, naive naivetyisn't necessarily a good thing.

(18:32):
Um, it's nice because itdoesn't prevent you from trying
different things, but thosethings can, can definitely fail.
So uh did that.
And then, uh, I don't know ifthat was about the time now, it
was probably a little earlierthan when COVID hit.
But you know, I started a family, we bought a house up in
Vancouver Island and then, youknow, we went through all the

(18:54):
COVID stuff and and and thenrecently we started, or a couple
of years ago we started, a showcalled American Made, and so
that's that's me looking, beinga little bit less naive and
saying, okay, what, how do weactually create value, like, how
do we, how do we be creativesbut create value at the same
time?
Uh, and how do we maximize that?
So I try to think of storiesthat we could tell that are not

(19:17):
just interesting stories toviewers, necessarily, but also
interesting and valuable topeople.
That ultimately, you know, fundcreative endeavors.
And a lot of the times thoseare those are brands.
So so American made is isessentially it's kind of like a
chef's table idea, but it falls,uh, the it's, it's telling
stories about Americanentrepreneurs and companies um,

(19:39):
making products in America andwhat goes into that.
And and it's not, it's not likea how it's made thing, you know,
like how things come together.
I think that's cool, but that's, that's been done, and that's a
technical approach.
When we're looking at thepeople, you know, like what is a
Pete Roberts, for instance?
Why does he, how can he startorigin, which is making a camo
clothing in America, or makingsorry, not just camel, but you

(20:02):
know jeans and boots andeverything Like?
How does he?
What possesses someone to dothat?
Because I was told in businessschool that it's not possible to
make clothes in America, norshould we even consider it.
And their speech is, you know,crushing it over there and
making it happen and proving allmy professors wrong.
So we would try and focus onthose stories.
We're looking at the people atthat point.

Speaker 1 (20:28):
Well, I think that's so rich to do that and there's
so many amazing stories to betold and I was thinking about
that too all your traveling andyour experience and how much
culture and different people andbelief systems and just the way
of life you were exposed to andhow that.
That element that comes intoplay in a lot of these films is
that human element.
Right, it's not just the hey,we're going to show the sponsor,
we're going to do the like.

(20:49):
It's telling the stories ofthose people that are behind
where you're traveling to andgetting a piece of that.
Uh, and you know your dad hasbeen involved in that as well.
A lot in talking about that.
It's been a huge thing to uhsee that human element.
I think that's such animportant thing to bring into
play.

Speaker 2 (21:06):
Yeah, I mean to me personally, like that is what is
interesting about being alive?
It's not.
I mean, I, you know, I liketechnical stuff, you know, I
like, I like collecting guitarsand things and um, but
ultimately to me, what'sinteresting about life is is
people right, like what, whatstories you can kind of uncover
if you dig a little bit?
Uh, and, and storytelling isreally cool because you can, um,

(21:28):
uh, let me think of it.
I was talking to another guythe other day about how to
interview somebody and youprobably, I'm sure I mean you've
done this is your 88th episode,correct?
Yeah, so you're familiar withthis.
But you know, for American madeespecially, we have to sit down
with a lot of people and theseare, you know, big time people,
like, like, people that arepowerful and that you know have

(21:48):
45 minutes to sit with you andthat's it.
That's all you're getting.
Then they're jetting off to thenext big meeting, whatever
they're doing, and the lastthing I want to do, especially
when they're spending money, isto come off, as you know, not
knowing what I'm talking aboutor not being respectful or
saying the wrong thing, but atthe same time I want to prod
them in ways that gets a story.
Otherwise they're going toregurgitate the same stuff they
would normally do in a corporatevideo, which is, frankly, stale

(22:12):
, right, we've heard it amillion times and our eyes glaze
over and that's bad for I thinkit's bad for the company, but
it's also bad for the series,it's bad for me.
So I try and focus on you knowwhat.
I try and get them to look atwhat they do in a little bit of
a different perspective, similarto, uh, say, you know,
yesterday I was driving down thehighway, it was going 75 miles

(22:33):
an hour.
I don't think twice about it,and now that there's anybody
else on the highway, don't givea second thought.
But if you're telling a storyabout that, I would say, well,
okay, you know what were youcarrying in your truck?
And I had my two kids, you know, and other than my wife, those
are, those are my two mostvaluable possessions.
You know my, my two mostvaluable things in the planet.
And here I am driving down ahighway, 75 miles an hour, and a

(22:55):
5,000 pound truck, and there's6,000 pound vehicles coming out
me the other way, and all ittakes is is literally one second
of not paying attention andveering the touch and steering
wheel in the wrong way orwhatever, and you know I can
lose everything.
So I try and find and I'm usinglike an extreme example,

(23:15):
obviously because we know that,like driving isn't like that big
of a deal but I do feel likemost of us go through our lives
in that kind of neutral mode andwe're just driving along and
with the cruise control on andwe don't think about what is
really interesting, necessarilyabout our lives and about other
people's lives and how weinteract with people and the

(23:36):
decisions we make.
I mean they, they, they matter,um, and they, you know, if you
look at it on the right angle, Ithink that's the key to making
things, helping to move peopleright, to creating emotion in
viewers going with cam haynesand retracing some steps, uh,

(24:07):
with his friend roy who hadpassed away, and kind of
thinking about those momentsthat are there.

Speaker 1 (24:09):
Then all of a sudden it takes one misstep and then
everyone's lives around you havechanged you.
If you're that person, you'renot there any longer.
To see how that affectseveryone.
Right, it's like it, that is ait that that film was very
powerful in multiple ways for me, just in the way that you guys
told that you directing that wasjust so profound.

(24:29):
And you know, for those who havenot had the chance to watch
that yet, I will have it in theshow notes in the link below and
I highly suggest everyone checkthat out.
And I want to dive into alittle bit about that and then
we'll dive into Gone, the mostrecent one you've directed.
But if you can kind of tell mea little bit about how that film
started, like, how did you, isthis something that Cam
approached you?
Did you approach him with theidea?

(24:50):
I want to know about thegenesis of that idea and then
maybe, if you can kind of giveeveryone a little bit of
background about what that filmwas and maybe we'll dive into a
little bit of the sequence ofevents there.

Speaker 2 (24:59):
Yeah, absolutely so.
That film started actually witha phone call from Kip Falks.
So Kip is a co-founder of UnderArmour and I could talk about
Kip for hours.
He's one of my favorite peopleon earth, actually.
He's really, really, reallyinteresting guys.
He's someone that literallyclimbed the corporate ladder to
the very pinnacle just about andcreated a $5 billion company

(25:24):
out of like him in a garage withthe other founder, I mean,
that's it, you know, making 20grand a year.
So run from that to billions ofdollars and literally hit
whatever.
What I was taught in university,which was you know, you've made
it like this, is this is ourdream, this is our goal.
You've got all the power on theplanet, you're hanging out with
the billionaires, you're livingthe billionaire lifestyle and

(25:48):
and Kip wasn't he got out of allthat and he decided that that
wasn't what he wanted and hekind of turned his back to it,
all left it.
You know, if you, if you talkto Kip now, meet Kip, now meet
Kip now he don't.
He won't mention the UnderArmour stuff, he won't talk
about money or anything likethat.

(26:08):
You won't even know he hasmoney really, unless you're
riding around in his truck orseeing his house or whatever,
but he's not, you know, hedoesn't act define him right no,
that doesn't define him.
So so really interesting rightthere.
But but he wants to and he'llsay that's in the film, but he
wants to be a mountain man.
That's what he wants to beremembered for, not for this,

(26:28):
not for the corporate stuff hedid.
So he'd always been a fan ofcam haynes, right, because cam
um really like epitomizes that,what, what kip, who kip wants to
be, and these are all things Ididn't really know at the time.
But we ended up discoveringthat during the filming process.
But Kip called me up and said,hey, uh, you know, I hardly knew
Kip.
I think I talked to him, likeonce maybe, and he said, hey, uh

(26:49):
, you know me and Cam Haynes aregoing to come on a bear hunt.
You want to come film it.
And, uh, I mean I get askedthat a lot, right, want to come
film my hunt.
And that's no, every timebecause it's just not.
It's just not what I want to do.
This I mean I think hunting isincredible.
I want to tell great huntingstories, but usually that's not
what it is.
It's usually just just to hunt,and I've been on a lot of those

(27:09):
, and so for me it isn't um,it's not necessarily.
I don't find it that inspiring.
Now, kip fulks and cam going ontrip is inspiring to me and is
different.
And I I thought, okay, let's,let's, yeah, absolutely.
So I told him I was in, uh, youknow, no pay or anything like
that.
I didn't have to pay for thetrip other than the flights, but
other than that, you know, itjust wasn't.
You know, it wasn't like Icharged Kip a bunch of money or

(27:30):
anything.
And uh, he said, okay, let's go.
And uh, I didn't have a plan.
And you know, we went back tolike again, me being naive and
kind of like embracing that Uh,but sometimes I do feel like,
yeah, you'll strike out, butsometimes it works and works

(27:52):
really well and it's better.
Actually, like, if I would havespent, you know, a bunch of days
doing all this pre-planning andcalling these guys and trying
to figure out like, what we'regoing to film, blah, blah, blah,
I don't know that it would havecome together like it did,
because I'd always be trying tosteer the story into something
that it wasn't so.
So we showed up and uh, youknow it's a 10 day hunt or

(28:13):
whatever up there and I justkind of kept the camera rolling
and tried to try my best not toget too caught up in being
present, which is kind ofunfortunate for, like, for
anybody who films.
Uh probably knows this but ifyou get too caught up, like
being where you're at and saying, oh wow, this is so incredible
and, like you know, start havinga good time and telling jokes
and stuff, you miss you.
You I think you do a little bitof a disservice to what you're

(28:36):
really there for, which is tocapture, like, what's going on
without you present.
So so I would uh, cam wouldwake up in the morning, you know
we well, actually we got stuckin this crazy blizzard for like
four days in the beginning.
So, uh, cam would wake up inthe morning and Kip and we all
be in the same tent together andI just be filming from like the
second they woke up to.
Uh, you know, essentially thesecond.
We went to sleep at night andthey got.

(28:58):
It was crazy because I'd filmhours and hours and hours, but I
didn't know what I was going toget.
So anybody who's looking tocapture content in the same
style that I would do, I guessone piece of advice is certainly
film.
Film the stuff that you shouldbe looking at the stuff that
most people find boring rightaway.
Don't look at like everybodythinks oh, it's a hunt film,

(29:26):
let's just keep the camera offuntil you start stalking the
grizzly bear or you're going ona hunt in the morning and all
the best stuff, the stuff that Iremember you know from I think
this is true for for mosthunters is you remember the
stories you guys were tellingaround the campfires.
You remember the camaraderieyou had after like day six and
you're hanging your head atnight, uh, because you haven't
seen anything that many days andit's just been a grind and you
don't want and your boots arewet and you don't want to put
them back on in the morning walkback up that mountain.

(29:47):
That's the kind of stuff I wantto capture.
And you don't get that duringthe day.
You get it in the off hours.
You know when people are, Ithink, a little bit more.
I don't know what the term is.
They're not relaxed, butthey're not relaxed, but they're
just more open, right, they've,they've forgotten about the
camera.
They're, they're.
You find, um, there's a senseof like truth that comes out, I
think, during those those times,and I tried to capture that

(30:08):
during the film.
So I don't know if I wasactually.
I can't remember what yourquestion was now yeah, just, you
know I was.

Speaker 1 (30:14):
That was great because I wanted to kind of know
how you got involved with goingin that and you know the idea
of kind of what there was anelement there of, of shining a
light on the legacy of Roy andthe friendship of him and Cam
and what that meant and how youknow many years they spent
together, um, and going on thesejourneys that were further and

(30:35):
pushing themselves more than,and then others.
And I was kind of curious too,which you kind of mentioned it
as, like you didn't have thatplan going into that, like you
were there in the moment andbeing present, capturing what
you could.
And those you know, those youknow non exciting moments where
you're sitting there, you know,in in a, in a camp, you know you
got the blizzard going on,which those, like you said too,

(30:56):
those are some of those goldenmoments that come out from that,
because I think too a lot ofthe times when the hunts you
know those focus on before, like, like you said too, they're
setting up for the kill shot.
Okay, now you got your grip andgrin.
That's not the important stuff,it's all the things leading up
to afterwards campfire.
Those moments and thoseauthentic conversations come out
.
So that kind of played a part ofthat and I was curious if, like

(31:16):
you knew the level of maybe youknow ham wanting him wanting to
give a nod to Roy becauseobviously he went to his house
there too he's going backthrough Roy's room and it was
very emotional because he hadn'tbeen back to Alaska since Roy
had passed away and so this wasa very monumental hunt for him,
one that he had put off for awhile, as he talked about.
So I was kind of curious, youknow, as part of that, I was

(31:38):
going to have a follow-upquestion is is how much were you
aware of what you werecapturing?
Was there an element of that atplay that you knew about, or
was that something that youthere was a discovery upon, uh,
your journey there with him?

Speaker 2 (31:51):
Yeah, uh, no, I did not know that that was going to
happen on the trip.
I actually did not know.
I don't think I knew that thatwas Cam's first time back to
Alaska after losing his bestfriend.
So, uh, and I do want to saysomething quickly, like just a
shout out to Cam, okay, becauseyou know a lot of people from
from on my side of the lens.

(32:13):
Anyway, I'm looking forvulnerability, and my, my
production partner, caleb, saysthis all the time.
But you know, being vulnerableis something that actually
people respect and I think it'spretty common for, like the
tough guys out there right tothink oh, you know, I don't want
to be vulnerable, I don't wantto shed a tear, I don't want to,
you know, laugh at that, jokesand things like that.

(32:35):
I want to be stoic all the timeand if you watch the film, you
know, none of that is me evertelling cam hey, like I need you
to be emotional here, I needyou to, like, say something here
.
I'm just following around, I'mobserving, so, so there's no,
you know, other than keeping thecamera rolling and maybe some
particular shots or whatever.
Um, there's no credit that goesmy way on that.

(32:55):
That's.
That's just cam being cam, andhe's, if you know cam well and I
and I know him pretty well notas well as his family, but I
know him well.
That's just him.
He is vulnerable and he's notafraid to show that, and so he
cared about Roy a lot.
Roy had a tremendous impact onCam's life and Cam lost him and

(33:17):
he'll never get him back, and sothere was that element going on
.
And then for me also, uh, youknow, a little more subtly I
think, and I don't know if I didthe best job of showing this,
but looking at Kip now trying tobe like Cam and the same way
that Cam was trying to be likeRoy, you know, that's really
what I tried to focus on andthis is all.

(33:39):
This is not, again, not me atthe moment when they're talking
in camp, trying to put thistogether, it's just me kind of
gradually putting that togetheras the hunt goes on and we're
headed back and flying back homeand thinking about what really
did I just witness?
And how do I take that 80 hoursof footage and condense it down
to what I think the essence ofit was?
And to me it's that camaraderie, right, it's.

(34:00):
It's it's um, cam and Roy, andthen it's Kip and Cam and you
know, eventually there's gonnabe someone following Kip.
Now, uh, you know it's.
So, yeah, I don't, I don't knowif, again, if that answered
your question, but I'm justtrying to distill what I think
is the most pertinent andpowerful essence of a journey

(34:24):
and then into you know 60minutes where I think it comes
across.

Speaker 1 (34:38):
Well, I love that you talk about to like you're
you're capturing and then you'reto put out that you have to
kind of maybe have certainsequences or shots or things
you're going to do if you'retelling this story, but if you
are just kind of throwing it onrecord and then seeing what
comes of that, then you're kindof, through that experience, you
realize that it is how youwanted to edit that and shape it
.
It is how you wanted to editthat and shape it and I think

(35:03):
you did a tremendous amount ofof of service towards that story
about, you know, brotherhood,about friendship, about the
challenges and just therealities of what that looks
like too, and and you know causeobviously it's not just
condensed down to that one.
You know pulling back shot andthat you know there was a lot
that went to it and I don't knowif we want to necessarily spoil
you know the ending there foreverybody and as far as what
happened but it was a very uh,emotional, uh hunt for him in

(35:26):
multiple ways leading up to itand then as far as what happened
and how, uh, you know that thatultimately, that that hunt
ended and I think you know I wascurious too because I think
there was a time where you knowCam, I was curious, was that
something where he was a littlereluctant to, you know, maybe
have that film uh kind of gobecause obviously of how you

(35:48):
know the end, you know the killended up happening, or was there
a part of that that you know?
He just kind of left it to yourhands and your devices to put
that together.
Uh, cause obviously I knew thatthat was a difficult way for
how it ended and I was curiousas far as how that that
interplay was with you guys andworking on that film.
You know what did once that filmwas done and what it was.

(36:09):
What did that look like for you?
And, uh, you know you said 80hours of film.
I was curious how long it tookuh for that editing of that,
cause that's a big, big uhamount of footage to go through.

Speaker 2 (36:19):
Yeah, uh, okay.
So a couple of things.
Uh, Cam says and I won't ruinthe film, but Cam does say in
that film that you know he'swilling to die, right, um, and
what he's really talking aboutis he's willing to die for his
beliefs, which is, you know, hewants to go hunt a grizzly bear.
Okay, and he recognizes that.

(36:40):
You know he's not just doingthat for food, he's doing it for
other reasons too, and andthere's an element of there's
kind of like a warrior sort ofelement here where you know that
grizzly bear can turn aroundand can can kill cam.
You know that's a very that's apossibility.
It may not be um, very likely,but it's certainly there and Cam

(37:00):
is okay with that.
So he said at one point that heis okay with that, he's ready to
die, and I can tell you fromknowing Cam that he's not just
saying that, cam means it, hereally does mean that, and I've
seen comments and stuff onlineabout.
You know, cam hands this, camhands this.
Cam doesn't mean that.
Or you know, whatever, he'sjust trying to act tough.
That's not true.

(37:21):
You know, whatever hismotivations are, kim a hundred
percent meant that, and so theissue for him was that he was
put in a position where, well,actually, he feels like and I'm
speaking for Kim now, obviouslyI'm not going to put words in
his mouth, so take this as youas you may, but I feel like he
holds himself to an extremelyhigh standard, and he does that

(37:44):
for his own personal reasons,but also because he loves bow
hunting, he loves the sport ofbow hunting, he loves sports I
terrible word, for I hate sportum, loves the bow hunting
lifestyle and everything that itrepresents.
And so to him, go out to him,put all this energy into being
the best he possibly can be, notjust for himself but for bow
hunting and for the respect hehas for the animal on the other

(38:07):
side of that arrow, and then, to, you know, not potentially
perform up to that standard, andthen have, you know, guns and
things involved, which is partof, just part of hunting, and
you know uh I believe, as anon-resident alaska, you just
have to have that, uh, it's.
That was hard for him to swallowbecause I think he felt like he

(38:28):
was letting people down.
Right, he was letting the bowhunting his, his passion down,
his, the the thing that he theonly thing he cares about
outside of family, like he wasletting that down.
So, yeah, he definitely we wantthat film was ready for quite a
while.
I mean, I was going to at leastsix months or longer, uh, and
he wasn't sure if he wanted torelease it.
For that reason he didn't wantto.
He didn't want to tarnish, uh,bow hunting.

Speaker 1 (38:52):
What was that then?
Decision that clipped like forhim.
Was that a conversation thathappened?
Or one day he just said let'srun it Like.
How did that come about?
Cause obviously I could tellthat the hesitation for a little
while after it was done.
What did it look like from thatpoint to then?
Okay, we're going to put it outand we're going to hit go.

Speaker 2 (39:11):
Uh, I actually don't know.
I think maybe Kip had talked tohim and I know I had talked to
him a little bit, uh, but Icertainly wasn't me that made
that happen.
You, but it certainly wasn't methat made that happen.
You'd have to talk to Kim.
I'm trying to remember.
If he's, yeah, maybe when hecomes on ask him.
Yeah, I want to say it was himtalking with Kip, or maybe he
talked with Joe Rogan a littlebit about it.
I can't remember.
Yeah, but at some point hedecided to go for it.

(39:32):
It wasn't a small thing for him, like you know, he was he's
again, he's just very passionateabout it and he wanted to make
sure that he's um, he's doingwhat you know he's.
I don't know what the words are.

Speaker 1 (39:45):
He's honoring the best version.

Speaker 2 (39:47):
Yeah, the best, yeah, he wants to honor the, that
lifestyle and he wants to be thebest for all those reasons were
listed and for those who, who,who don't know, you know about
Cam and his journey to it.

Speaker 1 (39:59):
I'll have some notes there below.
But he is by far one of themost extreme, um, you know,
athletes, but he pushes himselfto be able to get further in the
woods to be able to have themost authentic experience.
And he, his dedication, ispractice and shooting every day
is to make sure that he honorsthat animal and that time spent
to where he's going to be, uh,the most ethical and lethal with

(40:22):
what he does.
And so that kind of leads up toour conversation, and you know
I'll have again the, the link inthe show notes, cause it's an
incredible film.
I thought you did such anamazing job putting that
together.
The, the filming of it wasamazing, the story, everything
all around man.
I think it was such animportant thing and I'm so glad
that he uh finally hit the greenlight on that, cause I think it
it it shows a lot about him.

(40:44):
You know, like we said to thecamaraderie, the brother ship,
uh, you know the, the hunt, thehonoring of the animals and the
landscape, and what an abeautiful, amazing spot.
Well, minus the four days whereyou're stuck in the tent.
Maybe you don't get to see asmuch there.
I think it was probablyvisibility was like a foot right
, but it's like you guys talkabout it.
You're like I can't even see,but, uh, it was an amazing film
and I, you know, just wanted tosay thank you for for, uh, what

(41:07):
you did with that.
You did an amazing job, youknow, moving on to another one,
that your most recent that youdid was gone, um, very profound,

(41:27):
man, I mean, I, I found myselfwatching this multiple times,
having, you know, a little bitexperience of meeting and
chatting with your dad andhaving him on when we talked
about you know his book and youknow what he was going through
at that point in time and youknow when your mother was sick,
and then to see this film, andit's just such a beautiful,
beautiful film, man, and I'mjust so amazed and I was curious
how that you know the, theorigins of that, you know story
of, like, how did that begin?
How did you guys decide?
Or was this something you said,hey, I want to film, or

(41:48):
something your dad, or is thatlike, how did this come to be?
And what were the kind of thebeginning stages of of putting
that film together?
And then we'll kind of dive ina little bit to.
You know how it was puttogether and you know, obviously
, the five act you know set upand I was curious about you know
your thoughts going into thatand directing it, cause you you
told quite a profound story.
So yeah, it was just, if youwouldn't mind, kind of bringing

(42:08):
us to the beginning of how didthat, you know, first hit the
table and you know it was adiscussion point for you guys.

Speaker 2 (42:14):
Yeah for sure, okay.
So first of all, I, I talkedearlier about being young and
naive and having nothing to loseand throwing caution to the
wind and rolling dice and justseeing what happens.
And I got lucky right this time.
You know, I'm not as young as Iwas, I'm 38 now and I've got
mortgages, I've got kids, I'vegot, you know, companies to run
and people that depend on me,and so it's not.

(42:45):
I'm a little bit more leerythese days of just like kind of
throwing caution to the wind andjust going doing, you know,
whatever I think.
So I'd wanted to make, or I.
I knew that there was a storyaround my, my dad, of course,
and there has been for years, um, more so recently, obviously,
with my my mom, uh, and, and her, if people don't know, she, you
know, she got lung cancer andpassed away this last September.
Uh, course, but my, you know,for the last several years I've
known that there's a documentaryon dad, no question.
What I didn't know was that howI would justify the time to

(43:10):
create a documentary like thatand do it justice, right?
So not just something I'd throwaway and also have it, you know
.
Help to, you know, help with myother responsibilities in life,
which is feeding my family andkeeping the lights on and all
that.
So, you know and unfortunatelyI wish this wasn't the case but
we don't live in a space where,you know, I'm not like

(43:31):
Christopher Nolan, where I cancreate a movie every few years
and it's on the IMAX, and makemillions of dollars and
everybody's all happy.
You know it's hard, it's reallyhard.
Lots of people all happy.
Uh, you know it's it's hard,it's really hard, lots of people
.
Again, I'm very cognizant thatI'm very, um, you know, I'm
blessed to be in a positionwhere I can even make a living
doing creative things.
So, uh, basically, the the uhconduit here was Christians in

(43:54):
Arms.
Uh wanted to do a film and theywant to do a film, you know,
with with dad, and I don'tremember the exact way this all
came about.
But, uh, they asked if I wantto do it and I said, yeah,
absolutely, let's do it.
And so the reason this filmhappened the way it happened is
thanks to Christian charms, forcause, essentially, they, they
believe in the story and theywere willing to to to fund it.

(44:16):
Um, so, again, I wish thathappened more often and it's
it's it's rare, but I, you know,to me, uh, again, I was now, um
, it wasn't quite like thecampaign saying with with Kip,
where I was just being invitedto go and hunt and not could do
whatever I wanted because therewasn't any funding involved and

(44:37):
no brands or anything like that.
This is different, because nowI'm trying to tell dad's story,
but also I'm trying to berespectful for the, the brand
that brought me here and, and,you know, not do some I don't
know to to make something great,to make something good that
that moves people and that thatdad does justice to dad's story
but also keeps everybody, um,you know, thrilled and and and

(45:00):
happy, and so including myself.
So, anyway, um, props toChristians in Arms, because we
had a planning conversation andI think they are used to working
with um agencies, creativeagencies that are very willing
to, you know, make hard and faststatements about what they're
going to film and what the storyis going to be, and

(45:21):
pre-planning stuff ahead of time.
And, uh, I'm not pooing, pooingthat at all, but we had a
conversation and I rememberspecifically, uh, they said,
well, what's your plan?
And I said I don't have a plan.
I'm going to take some camerasand some of my best guys and
we're going to go up there andwe're going to hang with dad,
and and they said, right, so youdon't have a plan.

(45:44):
I said, no, we don't have aplan.
And they said that's a, that'sa pretty big, you know, trust
pill you're asking us to swallow.
And I, we kind of went back andforth and we hashed it out and I
said I mean I, honestly, fromthe bottom of my heart, I think
this is the best way to approach.
And I do.
I don't, as we already talkedabout.
I don't think, I think you canover-plan things, especially in
the documentary space.
Like we're not, we're not doingscripted formats here.
Yeah, we don't have a hundredpeople to try and figure out,

(46:06):
like how something's going towork and and you know, set
dressing and all that.
Like we don't have thoseluxuries, but what we do have is
we have the truth, we havereality, we have a, an authentic
angle that always seems to getoverlooked.
And I kind of settled thesethings and they said, okay,
great, we trust you go do it.
So we did Um and so.
So we went up there and satwith dad and you asked about the

(46:27):
five acts.
Um, there was a documentarycalled the fog of war, and it's
uh okay, have you seen it?

Speaker 1 (46:35):
I have yes.

Speaker 2 (46:36):
Okay, great, so that's probably my favorite
documentary ever.
Robert McNamara killed it.
Uh, just the way it was all puttogether and what they did
there is they separate that intodifferent lessons, right, like
lessons from Robert McNamarabecause this is a defense
secretary for whatever it wasover a decade to all these like

(47:00):
backdoor conversations with theSoviets during the Cuban Missile
Crisis and all these otherissues that most of America
experienced in a general sense.
But he experienced it becausehe was right there and so he was
able to tell us stories from adifferent perspective that
people weren't used to hearing.
And I thought that might workvery well for dad, because he's
traveled the world and donethese crazy hunts.
He's traveled the world anddone these crazy hunts, um, and

(47:24):
he might have something to say.
You know that that is, again,is authentically unique and a
different angle to what mostpeople would think about it.
And I knew and having knownthat, I mean I knew that he's
got, uh, certain beliefs, justlike Cam does, that are uh like
extreme, and not extreme in abad way, just extreme, and
that's something that I think we, we can, we can take from as
much or as little as we want,and so we just we sat down with

(47:44):
him for I think it was like sixhours.
It was crazy long interview andI just asked him question after
question, trying to get actuallyI will say one thing um, if you
look back at, uh, like dad'shunting adventure days, right,
he has a lot of.
His voice is kind of like well,here we are and welcome to the
show, and today we're going togo after.

(48:08):
He has a way of talking that Iwanted to avoid in this because
I wanted to feel I really,really, really wanted it to be
very authentic to who he is, andthat's not always easy to find
and do when you're working withsomebody like my dad, who's been
in front of a camera for 30years.
So it took a while to kind oflike, and also, I'm coming at
dad and just like you and I aresitting right here and I don't
have any plan, I'm just asking arandom question.
So I'm trying to find, likewhere the path is, what, what he

(48:31):
wants, what I'm trying to say,what he wants to say, and get
him to say it in like anauthentic way.
And that's again, really whatI'm doing is I'm just trying to
prod and and pick away thingshere and there and then filming
for a long, extended period oftime, uh, and just letting dad
do his thing and be real, justlike kind of cam would have done
in once for wolves, and that'swhat we came out of it.

(48:53):
So, if you look at gone, reallywhat it is is an interview with
dad and and him being as real ashe could possibly be.
And it's easier right nowbecause dad, um, you know, has
has been grieving for a while,grieving in his own way, which
is, you know, different than alot of the way a lot of people
grieve.
But but, being a son, I knowlike emotionally, he's far more

(49:17):
open right now than he ever hasbeen, and it's been like that
for the last few years with,with, with mom and everything.
So, um, I tried to focus onthat.
On the post side, um, and myeditor, uh, jordan Bogart, is
amazing and he, you know, again,props to him because a lot of
the editing that he did, a lotof the amazing cuts and the way

(49:37):
that the the um the piece flowlike that.

Speaker 1 (49:42):
That comes from the edit side too, and he was
heavily involved in that so well, and it's there's you talk
about too, about like thosemoments where you know the
unscripted, like you knowfinding the bird, and just
there's so many powerful thingsthat you you because this was
his first trip back to the yukonsince your mother had passed,
and so that was part of thisidea of like following and

(50:03):
having that part of the journeywhat was that like for him,
going to these places that wereso spiritually deep, and I don't
know if that's maybe the rightword, but I mean like being
there, like he talks about, youknow, seeing your mother and
feeling her in the wind, andlike all there was a, there was
a place there, an imprint thathas been so powerful for him,

(50:25):
kind of returning home base in asense, maybe that you get that
and that you know I loved howyou threaded through so many
things and like, at the very end, you know you're, you're at the
hand of man museum and hisinteraction with the young boy
there who's you know talkingabout how he's like I'm going to
tell my kids that I met you,that I was here, cause you know
your dad's talking to me aboutthat museum at being a
collection of all thesedifferent things that he's

(50:46):
brought throughout his life, uh,to share with others the
richness of cultures, ofexperience, of art, and that
idea of this whole.
You know it seemed to be, youknow a documentary that you know
encompassed his legacy, andthen, obviously, what he's
leaving behind, cause I believethat you know he told me he's
has funds there to have hand aman for the next 30 or 40 years,

(51:08):
right, isn't it like it'salready funded to where that
will be there for futuregenerations to to behold?
Is that correct?

Speaker 2 (51:15):
Yeah, yeah, the, the.
So uh, and again, you know dadis is like him in a lot of ways.
He's extreme in certain areasand not bad or good, and I would
think mostly good.
But one of those things is, youknow he wants to leave
something behind, he truly, andthat's.
You know.
Part of that, part of what hetalks about in the film is what
do you want to leave behind?
And I think you know meincluded, right, we go through

(51:38):
life where I wake up in themorning, get the kids breakfast,
do the stupid dishes every day,which I hate doing.

Speaker 1 (51:43):
I feel you.

Speaker 2 (51:44):
You sit at a desk you come back, maybe there's a
football game, maybe there's not.
You know you read some bedtimestories and play some Lego or
whatever, trying to hang withyour wife for a few minutes if
you can, and you do it all againthe next day and you know we
are in a sense building a legacywith our kids, right?
And you know we are in a sensebuilding a legacy with our kids,
right, but at some point we'regoing to have more time on our
hands.
And these are questions that Iknow I'm going to think about,

(52:06):
but I don't know that everybody,including myself, thinks about
it enough.
Like, what do you want to leavebehind?
I mean, we're not going to behere forever.
And dad's personification ofthat is literally a museum,
museum, and it's a 18,000 squarefoot museum.
That's like 30,000 people ayear, which, by the way, it's in

(52:29):
a tiny little town way off thebeaten path of, like you know,
20,000 people, and he gets thatmany visitors yearly, uh,
already, so it's, it's crazy,it's insane.
It's nothing to do with hunting, it's about it's a natural
history museum, effectively.
Uh and so, and you talk about acouple moments, so, um, that,
of course, the moment with theuh child.
Um, what was his name, I can'tremember now.

(52:50):
Uh, it was completelyunscripted that we were, we were
filming the interview and hehad somebody come into the
museum that he had to meet.
So he kind of I think he justgot maybe rapping, I can't
remember but he got up and hewas talking with them and this
school group had come in whichthey do all the time to go
through the museum, and dadstarted talking with them and I
was kind of and this is remember, we're talking about not being

(53:12):
present, right, trying your bestnot to get lost in, like what's
going on, because I was justkind of listening and kind of
sitting there and, uh, theystarted, the kids started asking
questions and I was like holyshit, this is actually like this
could be really good.
Uh, this could be something wecan use like this.
What am I doing?
I'm sitting here, not filming,and so I I ran back and I think
we're, I think we're wrappinglike the interview, so we're

(53:34):
less.
You know, I've been talking forsix hours, like the last thing
I want to do is film more, andso I picked up the camera.
One of the cameras was two cams.
The other guys were workinglike disassembling stuff.
And I ran back there and, uh, Ijust started observing through
the, through the lens.
You know what was going on andthat all came naturally.
Nothing was scripted there.
I don't even know if dad reallyknew we were filming.
He was just, she's just beinghimself, he's just.
And the kids, obviously they're, they're just doing their thing

(53:56):
because they're curious.
You know, that's a like.
We talked about being authentic.
Like kids don't know how to beanything else, right, they're
not acting, they're, they'rebeing authentic.
And there's, when you saw thatinteraction between dad and them
, there's I'm not, I'm not verygood at describing this.
I'm good at like, recognizingthat it's there, but I'm not
really good at telling youexactly what it is that I find

(54:16):
interesting and and um, movingby that, but I know when I held
the camera and that kid wentinto the back room, it was like
I want to.
You know, I want to be like youwant to have on this museum and
and dad's and I know I knowthat dad means it when he said
like this is what I want to havehappen I want to inspire people
to do you know to, to makegreat efforts, right, to strive
to be whatever it is.

(54:37):
You want to be, whatever.
That is Not not, I'm justtelling him.
I'm telling him anything hebelieves that fundamentally, and
to have a kid in there tellinghim that that's what he's going
to do and, dad, you know, changeeffectively like probably
changed the directory of hislife, that was very moving to me
and so you can't see this, buton camera I'm actually crying as
I'm filming this, so I've gottears coming down my eyes when

(54:59):
I'm filming this whole scenetake place.
And I walked back into Kayla,my production partner, after
that I said, dude, I just thinkI just got the best scene I've
ever filmed and it was just.
It was something that that, ifI had not been in that like that
mindset of okay, I have to tella story, I would just walk

(55:21):
right by that and not thoughtanything of it.
Uh in, and I think we do thatall the time like, I think those
moments happen a lot.
They happen.
I know I'm speaking like frommy experience with myself and my
kids.
It happens all the time.
If someone had a camera hereand they could, they could frame
that in a particular way andthey could capture that and then
share it.
Like you know, just becausedad's jim shocky, like I don't
think those moments are uniqueto him.
They're, they're maybepotentially more powerful just

(55:44):
because you know his life isjust so like insane and crazy
and his beliefs are so again,like so extreme and fundamental
and structured and strong.
I think it that lends itself tohaving like more powerful
moments like that.
But but all of us can have anddo have moments like that all
the time.
We just don't, I think we justdon't capture them or think

(56:06):
about them, unless we just letthem kind of slide by it's true.

Speaker 1 (56:10):
I mean, there's so many, so many things that happen
that we're so busy and we haveall these distractions, this
disengagement, but like thosethat, that what you captured
there was such a great summationtoo, and I think of like that
jumping post of when you talkabout legacy, what's after.
And here's this next generation, or two generations.
You know he's a younger childand what he, how profound that

(56:34):
was for him to to meet this manwho doesn't.
He talks about it too.
He might not know your dad inthe global sense of this hunter,
this adventure, this traveler.
He, you know, sees him in thatelement too of here's this man
who has captured all this art,culture, memories, imprints of
other you know, times and othergenerations and our ancestry and

(56:57):
all the richness that's, that'sthere in that 18,000 square
foot, you know, museum.
And so that was something thatwas just amazing and I love.
There's a quote there too.
He said the accomplishment isdirectly proportioned to the
challenge.
And he's talking to this kidabout, like, how you, you know,
go do big things, and the kid'sjust like, yep, I'm going to,
I'm going to remember thismoment, and it was.

(57:18):
I mean, I was balling throughthat too, man, just thinking
about, like too, how there's for, how powerful that must be like
for your dad, and I'm sure thatthere's moments where he feels
like those interactions happenand he's probably inspired
somebody.
But he's, you know, he kind oflooks at him and he's like I see

(57:39):
you in a way that you know thatthat connection there, that
kind of you know, spans throughages and it's just those two
human people connecting on sucha profound level.
It was a very I'm glad you wentand got your camera, man.
That was huge.

Speaker 2 (57:55):
So powerful.
I mean again, though, likethat's, that's I'm trying to be
clear in this, like that's notme saying like let's direct this
and make this happen, justcapturing something, just hit
record.
Yeah, yeah, that's it.
Um, but you know, and maybelooking at being open to the
idea that you know, we are allof us, I think guilty of missing
out on some moments in lifethat are more powerful than

(58:16):
others, and we don't alwaysthink about it.
And if you think about it,those moments will come usually.

Speaker 1 (58:22):
Yeah, no, absolutely.
And there's sometimes, I think,what's forced when people are
trying to record something infilms uh, especially in that
kind of documentary style andlike that, you know, with
interaction, sometimes there's aa feeling of a forcedness too,
and that camera's there insomeone's presence where you
know it's it's sometimes it canget in the way and sometimes,
when you're in the background,you have those.

(58:43):
You know you're just hittingrecord and capturing what you
capture.
Uh, there's amazing how manygems you can pick up, you know I
I want to hit another quote toothat he talked about too and
just get your take on it as well.
He said you know, we get twolives and the second one begins
when you realized you only haveone.
What was that that moment?
I'm glad you guys keyed in onthat what was that like for you

(59:05):
when you captured that?
Was that something you hadheard him talk about before, or
was that something that was kindof a new element at play with
that kind of, you know, beliefsystem?

Speaker 2 (59:14):
Yeah, I had not heard him say that quote before.
No, that was new for me, but Ihave talked to him about that so
I knew that's something he'dbeen thinking about.
So two things.
One is I remember aconversation I had with dad when
I had kids and you know yourlife.
I do kind of feel like yourlife changes relatively

(59:36):
dramatically after that, becausenow you cannot be selfish
anymore, you are not.
You know the most importantthing in your You're not number
one.
Yeah, you're not, you're adistant number, you know, three
after your wife, kind of thing.
And so to me that was kind of aturning point in my life and I I
certainly became a little bitmore introspective then and uh,

(59:59):
I remember having conversationswith dad and he's like, yeah,
you know, try being like youthink you think you're thinking
about that Like, try being agrandparent I'm a grandpa now,
like you know we're yourmortality is is in stark relief
when I think when those thingshappen.
Um, is in stark relief when Ithink when those things happen.

(01:00:19):
And then, obviously, with mymom and, by the way, my mom was
the healthiest person ever Imean literally live the
healthiest lifestyle yoga everyday, walked every day, ate you
know the like, literally likethe healthiest stuff you
possibly could.
And she walked into a doctor'sclinic with a cough and walked
out with, you know, four monthsto live effectively.
And that gets you thinking tooabout mortality and um, so I
think that's what I think youknow.

(01:00:40):
And there's the other aspect is, for dad is uh, after mom died,
you know and this is a.
I don't know if I want to gettoo deep into this, but you know
, I'd never really thought muchabout death, and particularly
death of, like, a very closefamily member prior to that
point, and what would happenafterwards.
And now they're to death.
You know, talking to him up tothis point, up to that that

(01:01:02):
point, he said I have no ideawhat's going to happen after.
And actually he said, you know,I, I don't know, I guess I'll
take it one second at a time andthen, when I can, I'll take it
one minute at a time and thenI'll take it an hour at a time
and then I'll, you know,hopefully I can take it a day at
a time and maybe one day a weekat a time.
Like he's just saying that yourtime with someone who's like

(01:01:25):
you're you're and, by the way,my mom and dad were closely
married and in love couples I'veever seen, you know, and I know
I've seen comments, because youknow he moved on quickly and
all that, and that's that's abunch of BS.
If you knew him.
Yeah, they were, they're asclose as there is, an, as true
of a love as you get, um, and hesaid, you know, and basically

(01:01:50):
he said like time right now isrunning out, and so we're going
to have days, we're going tohave minutes or hours and we
have out, and so we're gonnahave days, we're gonna have
minutes or hours, and we haveminutes, then we're gonna have
seconds, and then, you know, thedeath is gonna happen, and then
there's gonna be seconds,minutes and hours afterwards and
we're gonna try and call ourway back into life.
You know, myself and my sisterwe've got our families to come
back to and that was brutal Imean just terrible as it.

(01:02:13):
But dad comes back to an emptyhouse and so, anyway, I think I
think he was in that quote, Ithink he's referencing all those
things.
I think he's referencing theidea that just mortality in
general is going to hit you atsome point, being like wow, you
know, I don't have that muchlonger, like I better use the
time I have really well andintentionally, really well and

(01:02:38):
intentionally, um.
And I also think he's talkingabout literally being
effectively in some ways rebornafter something like that
happens.
I mean, I watched my, I wasthere.
I mean I watched my dadeffectively, um, you know, I
watched one of the toughest,probably the toughest guy I know
like break, basically, and bereformed into something else and
, and it took him a while.
He was finding himself for abit after that, basically, and
be reformed into something elseand, and it took him a while.
He was finding himself for abit after that and he's reformed
now and he's, he's fine.

(01:02:59):
But uh, that was, as you know,without literally being reborn
like a phoenix from the ashes,like that's about as close, as
your life is kind of over.
Your old life is over andhere's a new life.
It'd be like getting in a crazy, I don't't know, train wreck or
something and and being, um,you know, losing everything that

(01:03:20):
you cared about, and then beingopening your eyes one day in a
hospital bed five years laterand you got to restart your life
.
You know if you want to or ordon't restart it, and trust me
that that had occurred to me asan option for dad, uh, and, and
he did not do that and, um, yeah, so I think that's what he was.

Speaker 1 (01:03:37):
he was referencing when I you know from
conversations I had with him too, and that he, he was encouraged
by your mom to go and live hislife and make his moments count
and to move forward and to usetheir you know their time and
their legacy together.
You know that he, he said thatwill always be my soulmate.

(01:03:57):
There's no replacement, there'snothing else.
It's their, their, they were ablueprint of what it seemed like
you'd want marriage to be.
And and I don't know the innerand the outs and I'm not sitting
where you're sitting but fromyou know at least the public
standpoint and the way that theytalked and the way that they
described it and the way peopleyou know comment on on things

(01:04:18):
throughout the time.
You know there's a that lovethat was there, was so pure and
pristine and just so beautiful,and I know that he wants to
honor her with his every daywhen he walks forward and he
still does.
And so you know, I don't carewhat comments are there those
are people who don't know stuffbut there there was a comment on
that particular film, cause Iknow you you released gone on

(01:04:40):
campaigns is a platform on hisYouTube page and there was a guy
have you looked at the commentson that?

Speaker 2 (01:04:47):
Yeah, most of them yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:04:48):
So the very first lead one that I don't know if
it's got pinned or if it's justgot so many comments that it
kind of became naturally pinnedwas a guy who is depressed,
battling thoughts of suicide,and he talked about how that
film changed him and helped tomake him want to stick around
and have an impactful life andimpact others and move through

(01:05:09):
his losses and all the thingsthat had gone through.
And it was just, you know,there's outpouring of so much
support for your dad and so muchthanks for people who saw that
and were inspired by that filmthat you directed and you put
together.
And I mean it's it's been oneof the more beautiful things.
Like you see comments onYouTube that are just, you know,

(01:05:31):
whatever people post, and a lotof times you're like, ah man,
it goes negative by, likecomment two or something, right,
yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:05:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:05:38):
I'm just scrolling through hundreds of people who
left.
You know their amazing, strong,profound feelings and responses
to that film and I feel likethere's, you know, that legacy
of that your father has made,the legacy that you're doing
through film.
I I see the importance of thosethrough these moments, of being

(01:06:03):
able to have those reflectionsof those folks talk about how
that film, his life, hasimpacted them in so many amazing
ways.
And that was just, I mean, itwas kind of reading through
those tearing up man, I'm likewow, like so much beauty there,
so much beauty you put in thefilm so much beautiful things
that they've had and they sharewith their life, with, with,

(01:06:24):
with your parents, and just thejourney to have.
You know, at one point in timewe're going to be sitting at the
end and, you know, thinkingabout our own legacies that we
leave behind.
And that kind of brings me to aquestion with you is you know
what's your view and your takeon legacy?
Is this something that you walkthrough in a day-to-day,
thinking about that?
Have you reflected on that andhow you want to?

(01:06:47):
You know, leave your mark,imprint for your family for the
rest of the world, imprint foryour family for the rest of the
world, for your friends, foryourself?
How do you view your own legacy?

Speaker 2 (01:06:58):
Yeah, first of all, thank you for the comments about
the film.
You're welcome, yeah, and again, I'm sitting there holding a
camera and it's mostly coveringwhat's just there in reality.
But that is a good question.
I don't know that I walk aroundand think about it super
actively, but I absolutely thinkabout.

(01:07:20):
Well, I mean, I've lookedthrough all those comments so I
think there's like, yeah,whatever 700 of them, and the
comments are amazing.
They really are there.
And I want to be very clear insomething when we when I did you
know gone right, at no pointdid I know for sure that it was
going to be, that it was goingto move people.

(01:07:40):
So I think you mentioned the,the pigeon scene.
Um, I mean, that's just dadcatching a pigeon, it's really.
And even when I was somewhere,I was like, should I really be
bothering capturing this Becauseit's really interesting to
people?
Um, and I had to kind of trustmyself and be like you know, I
think it's interesting, I thinkit's beautiful actually, and

(01:08:01):
there's that's a term that Ithink you know like we don't use
enough as like, uh, like beautyand something beauty in life,
right, uh, I at my and I'm notalways like this, but at my best
.
I think that I have, forwhatever reason I have, an
ability to find and targetbeautiful things in life and and
and look at things that aremundane and say, no, actually,
this is really beautiful If youthink about it.
Uh, I was, I was listening to,what was it?

(01:08:25):
I interviewed with, uh, you know, zach Bryan does music, yeah,
unbelievable, a great, amazingsongwriter, incredible.
I listened to an interview hedid with Joe Rogan.
He was talking about that.
I was like these are my, theseare my exact thoughts, zach,
because he's talking like he'ssaying you know the, the I think
it said statue.
I know the empire statebuilding.
I was like it's beautiful, it'sbeautiful and I totally agree
it's, it's, it's a beautifulthing.

(01:08:45):
And you know, we're so focusedon the.
Well, the empire state buildingis 1500, whatever, whatever,
1500 feet high and it's you knowit was built in whatever 1922
and three people died and and,but those are just like stats.
I don't want the stats.
I want like the real, authenticstuff, the emotional stuff,
like that's.
That's where we find.
To me, that's what'sinteresting and and you know why

(01:09:08):
we get emotional about certainthings and and what I can seek
out in the world and thenhopefully share with people,
like I did with Gon.
That will move them like itmoves me, and so like, yeah, I
think it's cooler than heck thatI can film a dad catching a
pigeon and have people respondto that in the way that I love,

(01:09:30):
you know again, and I'm veryblessed to have sort of like a
built-in platform to be able todo those things, because
unfortunately now I find anywayand this is not a complaint, it
just is the way the world is but, you know, it's difficult to do
that in a 15 second TikTokvideo.
Uh, you know, and and and that'sone of the reasons why I'm not
on TikTok, I'm, I'm just not.
I don't think I'm capable of ofdoing beautiful things or doing

(01:09:52):
what I want to do, being who Iwant to be on a platform like
that, uh, with media like that,unfortunately.
So, um, in terms of legacy, I,you know, I don't I don't know
if I like the word legacy to meI want to do two things I want
to continue providing for myfamily while also doing creative
endeavors that I findpersonally fulfilling and that

(01:10:14):
hopefully help fulfill otherpeople in ways that maybe they
don't think about.
So, yeah, that comment that theguy said he's depressed and
that this video potentiallychanged his life trajectory.
I mean, heck, yes, I mean likethat's that's so fulfilling to
me way, for way more than likepaychecks or the view count on
YouTube or whatever.

(01:10:35):
Like, yeah, I just, I justchanged, so I helped anyway, you
know, change someone's life andthat's I don't know what more
you could, you could ask for,and I did it in a way that I was
able to do, in a way that'sbeautiful to me.
Um, I know the other comments,you know, like talking about the
pigeon and all that.
I keep going back to that, butthey see a beauty in that and
just like I do, and I'm like,well, those are might be like, I

(01:10:56):
think like that I truly do inmy best moments, not all the
time, but sometimes when I'mthinking clearly and I, you know
, I find beauty in the world andI love I'm very honored and
blessed to be able to share thatsometimes.
The second thing is so I want tocontinue to do that.
The second thing I want to dois there are other creatives
right, I was doing a, actually,when we uh, when we aired gone,

(01:11:21):
uh, we did it like in a in aBass Pro Shops here and had a
big giant theater and there's200 people there and they're,
they all came to watch.
And afterwards, you know, dadand I went up on stage and
people would ask questions and,um, we did a poll, and I went up
on stage and people would askquestions and we did a poll and
I asked everybody on it's like,how many people do creative work
, you know, as part of what theydo for a living?
And I think there was like oneperson that raised their hand.

(01:11:42):
I think it was like the eventphotographer or something,
nobody else.
And I thought it made merealize how, again, how
fortunate I have been to be in aposition where I am able to,
you know, be in an industry thatdoes value creative work.
Right, if my dad was a financedude, you know, finance master,

(01:12:05):
I mean I would never have donethis.
I'm sure.
I'm sure of that.
That path was partially forgedfor me already when I was born
into the outdoor industry.
So I would like to change thatnumber.
I don't want it to be oneperson putting their hand up, I
want it to be 10 or 50 or ahundred.
I want it to be as many peoplebeing fulfilled through creative

(01:12:27):
endeavors that want to be.
Not everybody wants to docreative things.
I totally understand that.
I get it and there's a there'sand I very much respect it
actually, because there's ahonor that I recognize in, you
know, being the stoic personthat that that you know my
grandpa uh worked crazy longdays doing really unhealthy

(01:12:48):
stuff, you know, building roadsin the middle of Saskatchewan,
uh, for years and decades andand and, and that's it.
You know he, he literallydreamed about building roads at
night and I don't, maybe there'ssome creative aspects to that.
There probably isn't like a tonUh, and I have so much respect

(01:13:08):
for that because he did it notfor himself, he did it for his
family and he did it for thefuture of his, of his kids, and
and like, talk about a legacy,like there's, there's, there's
honor in that um, and so I'm not, I'm not at all saying, you
know, creativity has to trumpeverything else at all.
I'm just saying you know, to me, like our human, our ability to

(01:13:29):
um, like what's the word?
Um, not ingenious, I can'tthink of it but our ability to
be creative is unique to us.
It makes us, in my mind, human,it makes life more interesting
and, yes, more beautiful, and Iwould love to help create a path
for people to be able toexpress that and still, ideally,
be able to provide for thefamily and live balanced lives

(01:13:52):
and everything.
So I don't know exactly how I'mgoing to do that.
Necessarily, I like to spreadthe word.
You know I'd like to.
That's why I'm very open in theway that I approach projects
and and our creative business,because I want other people to
be inspired by that.
I want them to go and do thatand if, if people message me
online I always take time I tryto try my best to, you know,

(01:14:15):
write exactly what I think backto them and not worry about the
time it takes me to do that.
Uh, you know, maybe I'll do auh, I don't know filmmaking camp
or storytelling camp orsomething someday.
But yeah, I want, um, I wantthe world to be a more uh, a
more opportunistic,opportunistic place for
creatives, place for creatives.

Speaker 1 (01:14:32):
That's an amazing answer.
Um, wow, uh, I'm, I'm almostspeechless, man, that's, it's,
it's, it's amazing, like I.
Really.
I think there's a lot to unpackwith that and I'm really
thankful that you shared thatand then share that vision for
that idea of having morecreative to.
I think we need to have as manyof these beautiful moments

(01:14:54):
captured, shared, experienced aspossible, and I think it takes
things like that.
You're not going to get thosein the 15 second clips.
Yeah, maybe there's some inthere, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:15:05):
So I'm not saying it's impossible, because I think
it is, but I don't know how todo it but it's.

Speaker 1 (01:15:09):
But I think sometimes it it some, I think sometimes
it it some of the more profoundthings we see, or take time to
weave together and put togetherthose stories and to understand
the complexities and the, thedeep, intricate value and beauty
of of those moments in ourlives that we share.
Um, and you know I, just I wantto tip my hat to you once again

(01:15:30):
for all that you're.
You've put out all of theamazing work that you've been a
part of and the end result ofwhat it is you're sharing, cause
it's so profound, it's soincredible.
Um, I just find you to be anamazing filmmaker and just great
human.
Like when I told your dad thatI was going to have you on the
podcast, he said he's one of thegreatest humans, like, and I

(01:15:55):
was just like it just full stop,and I was like what a great
sentence and what a great thingto to say about someone, just a
beautiful human.
And, uh, you know I, I, I findthat to be in your putting out
things that, um, you know I, Ican't wait to see what you're
doing next and what you share,and I just want to thank you for
following and honoring the paththe way that you do and do and
leaving room for all thoseamazing moments to come through.

(01:16:15):
With that, I'd like to have youshare where people can go ahead
and, like I said, I'll have thefilms that we spoke about today
.
There'll be a direct link herein the show notes below, so I
encourage everyone to go andcheck those out.
You have to go see those twofilms that we just discussed and
the other ones that you've puttogether as well, and you know
your journey with your dad, butas far as people want to go and

(01:16:38):
kind of, you know, make surethat they're have, you know,
their, their thumb on whatyou're doing.
Next, and and you know some ofyour journey and things that you
share on on socials, uh, whatare the best places for people
to follow you there?

Speaker 2 (01:16:48):
Uh, first of all, thank you for all those words,
george.
Uh, best places is, honestly,instagram.
Uh, although I will say I don't, I do not post as much as I
should, and my sister has beentelling me for years I need to
post more and I should have.
And I just I'll go throughstints where I'll post like a
hundred different stories in aday, sometimes when I'm really
inspired and we're kind of onthe road doing funny stuff, um,

(01:17:09):
and then I'll every once in awhile, right Like a longer post.
But but yeah, instagram isprobably the best.
I am putting a website togetherthat'll have all the more like
the sort of the work we've beendoing, because a lot, actually
90%, of stuff we do I don't evenmention or post about it just
kind of goes into the cyberspace.
So I want to, I want to startand this kind of like plays back

(01:17:29):
to what you're saying about orwhat I was saying about leaving
a little bit more behind.
I want to inspire creatives,but also I want to, you know,
show that it's possible to becreative and create value for
others, and so, you know, thewebsite's going to going to be
part of that, hopefully.
But, yeah, instagram is thebest, best place.

Speaker 1 (01:17:46):
So is that something you're in the midst of working
on?
You have the URL.
I mean you don't have to say ityet because then, if those want
to follow you, you'll I'm sureyou'll announce it on instagram.
Is that something that's comingsoon?
Is that, uh, in in the nearfuture?

Speaker 2 (01:17:58):
yeah, well, my production partner.
So.
So caleb marmolejo is is anincredible creative.
Uh, things like I do, um, he'sa ridiculous photographer
actually kind of makes mejealous, so I stopped taking
photos after working with him,uh, but he and I have this, this
dream.
It's kind of along what, whatwe've been talking about to
create a, um, you know, morethan a network of creatives that

(01:18:22):
are more than the sum of theirparts, and uh, so we're working
on that.
So it's called big peak and itshould be coming up pretty
quickly.
Actually, I don't mind if you,if you talk about it, because
it'll incentivize me to actuallylaunch the website and write
about it.

Speaker 1 (01:18:33):
So good deal.
Well, that's coming soon.
So there you go.
Well, listen, brandon, I I Ijust want to say thank you again
for for coming and joining metoday, for sharing everything
that you do.
Um, you know, you, you are abeautiful human man and you're
sharing so many beautiful thingsand I I'm I'm very appreciative
that there's people like youout there.
You're inspiring.
What the films you put together, they're, they're just so

(01:18:56):
profound, man, they really hitthe heart and I'm just so, so
thankful to you know, be able tohave this interaction and to
have you on the show and toshare some of the things that
you've put in the world with allthe listeners.
So, thank you once again.

Speaker 2 (01:19:08):
Thank you for having me on, george, I appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (01:19:10):
All right, man.
Well, you take care.
You have a great day.

Speaker 2 (01:19:13):
Yeah, you too.

Speaker 1 (01:19:14):
Cheers.

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