Unlock the secrets of cutting-edge firearm innovation with Matty Nelson from Seekins Precision as he unveils their revolutionary 2025 rifle lineup. This captivating episode promises to redefine your understanding of rifle technology with the introduction of five brand new rifles, all boasting the M3 designator. Each model, including the HitPro M3, Havak Element M3, PH3, PH3-NRL and the Element Hunter features a groundbreaking three-lug bolt design and a dual cam system for seamless cocking, marking a new era in rifle performance. Marvel at the quick-change barrel options, crafted in carbon fiber and tailored perfectly to meet the needs of the ever-growing suppressor market.
Dive deeper into the heart of Seekins Precision's manufacturing prowess, where the magic unfolds entirely in-house. Matty shares an insider's perspective on the rigorous production process that ensures superior quality, from the crafting of carbon fiber barrels using Rock Creek Steel 416R match-grade material to the meticulous quality control measures. Discover the lengths to which Seekins goes to maintain precision, including a climate-controlled 100-yard underground range for accuracy testing, underscoring their commitment to delivering perfection with every rifle.
Celebrate the evolution of the hunting rifle with us by exploring the exciting transition from tactical to hunting designs. Through the lens of the SLAM rifle's transformation into the Element Hunter, experience the perfect blend of modularity and tradition. The episode also highlights the new 7mm backcountry caliber and compact barrel configurations that promise versatility and precision for hunters. As we wrap up, Matty extends sincere gratitude to Seekins Precision fans for their unyielding support and enthusiasm, which has fueled the company's remarkable growth and innovation. Join us in embracing the future of hunting rifles and the passion driving Seekins Precision forward!
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Hey, everybody, welcome back tothe Son of a Blitch podcast.
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I'm your host, George Blitch,and I got to sit down with
Maddie Nelson with Seekin'sPrecision today, talking about
the 2025 lineup, all the newrifles, all the new updates, the
innovative design that Seekin'sPrecision is known for.
And you guys, you're in for atreat.
Make sure you share this with afriend.
You check out the show notesand the links below.
And you guys, without furtherado, here is my podcast with
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Matty Nelson of Seekin'sPrecision.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Y'all enjoy, matty, how the heck you doing today.
Man so good, man, so good to beback.
Thank you for having me back.
Just honored to be here.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
Dude man, I'm so stoked we're going to be talking
about all the things that aredropping in 2025, for Seekin's
Precision.
I know this is in the middle ofshow season too, so I'm glad we
got to catch you.
How's the show season been sofar?
Speaker 2 (01:26):
It's been good.
So I just got back from DallasSafari Club and I'm headed out
the door to SHOT Show Already.
Half my team is on the roadthis morning.
They're headed out for Reno andthen after that we have Western
Hunt.
So a bunch of shows right in arow.
We're super excited about them.
So yeah it, it's been wild sofar and it's only going to get
more crazy the next couple weeks.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
Yeah, man.
So what are you showcasing?
You guys got five new rifles inhand.
I'll let you go ahead and listthem and let's just kind of dive
in and talk about what's newfor 2025.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Yeah, sounds good.
So we had big, big changes.
All the bolt guns at SeekersPrecision got a change in 2025.
So if there's an M3 designatorafter the name of something
you're already familiar with,that just means it's the new
generation of stuff we havegoing on.
So the HitPro M3 or the ElementM3.
And then we have the PH3, whichis brand new.
It's replacing the PH2.
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And then we have the ElementHunter, which is kind of the
evolution of the element rifle.
So, um, lots and lots ofchanges.
Biggest changes overall are allof the new bolts are three lug
instead of four and they're 60degree throw instead of 90
degree throw.
And there's a couple differentreasons for that.
To get the 60 degrees you haveto have, or to get the three
lugs, it has to be a 60 degreethrow.
Um, but we've gone into a lotof design, a lot like why people
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like the 90 over 60s.
You got, you know, 30 moredegrees to cock that firing pin
back.
Uh, but the new bolt design wehave is like a dual cam system,
so it wants to come apart andcock that rifle.
So it's an easy cock even on 60degrees, which is great.
Um, and then high pressurerounds are coming right.
Seven back country justlaunched, 277 fury's been out.
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There's a bunch more that areunder, like I'm under NDA we
can't talk about but like highpressure rounds are coming and
this new three lug bolt allowsus more lug engagement, allows
us bigger, deeper lugs.
So it's like you know, it's80,000 PSI instead of 60, that's
a lot.
So our rifles have already beenrevamped to handle this higher
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pressure cartridge, thesesemi-spec higher pressure
cartridges that are coming downthe pipe.
So that's the biggest reasonfor the change.
We're super excited about it.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
That's amazing.
And so you guys got some quickchange barrel features like tool
list stuff, and I mean you gotsome carbon fiber barrels.
Let's talk about some of thosethings and some of those new
innovations you guys are kickingout.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Yeah.
So like the on the hit and thehit pro.
Uh, we had the quick changebarrel system which everybody
loved, and then we were like,hey man, how do we get that in
to some of these other platformsagain?
Which just allows you to playaround with a bunch of different
stuff.
So I have a pH three right here, which is super fun.
So it'll be tough to see, butif you go to the website or any
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of the Seekins YouTube channelslike all of them are there up
close a bunch of b-roll, niceand close, so you can get all
the details there.
But we have a couple differentbarrel length options.
We have 20 inch barrels andthen 24 inch barrels for the
short actions, which is nice.
Everybody's is buyingsuppressors.
The suppressor craze is huge.
So those 20 inch barrels reallyallow people that option.
On long action 22 inches or 26inches for the long action so
you can pick which barrel lengthyou want, whether you're
chasing muzzle velocity or youreally want that shorter barrel.
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Integrated Picatinny rail now nomore bolt-on stuff, kind of
slimmed everything down.
Bunch of relief cuts in there.
It's super sharp looking.
Like I said, it's my favoritegun that we're making on the
hunting side right now it lookssuper good Underneath the stock.
It's the same on the Element M3.
So inside this stock now wehave a Seekins mini chassis.
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So it makes up the full lengthM-LOK rail, the bottom metal and
then the mounting portion forthe action makes up the mini
chassis on the inside, which nomore bedding, we don't have to
worry about that stuff.
But now it's machined flatsurfaces all the way around,
which we do amazingly well, sowe can take that barreled action
in and out a bunch of times.
So if you take out the actionscrews, pull the barreled action
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out.
On the bottom of the actionthere is a similar clamp system
to what the hit had.
So you loosen one screw, youspin this barrel off by hand.
You put the new barrel on byhand, so you loosen one screw,
you spin this barrel off by hand.
You put the new barrel on byhand.
You tighten that screw down andyou're done Easy day.
So it's super fast.
It's still a tool-less boltchange.
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If you're changing from 6.5Creedmoor to 6.5 PRC and need a
Magnum bolt head, all that isstill very similar.
You don't need any tools forthat, but two tools one for your
action screws, one for theAllen screw on the side of the
action when you get it out andyou can change your barrel.
Still three minutes tailgate ofyour truck and you're done,
super simple.
So all of our bolt guns nowhave a quick change barrel
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system.
The Element M3, the ElementHunter, the PH3, they all have
the ability to swap thosebarrels in and out super fast.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
That's amazing.
And now you got the Huntermuzzle brake on all of these.
Is that coming standard?
Speaker 2 (06:09):
Yep so so the Hunter brake is coming on, all of them.
It's a radial brake that wedesigned here.
It's the same profile as all ofour barrels, so it's a good
finished, clean look.
The only one that it is notcoming on is the new uh PH3 NRL
which is in glacier blue, whichhas got so much attention that
that will probably be offeredsooner than later across the
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rest of the platforms.
But it's been a very popularcolor but it won't come on.
That one per NRL rules If it'smounted on the gun when it
leaves the factory, that's whatthey have to use.
So a lot of guys want to usetheir own brake.
So it comes with a threadprotector.
But the NRL Hunter also, likeit, comes with an ATC muzzle
brake in the box, just notmounted to the gun.
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And then it has the TriggerTechdiamond trigger as the upgraded
trigger for those kind of morecompetition style trigger
settings that they can adjust to.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
Nice.
And for people who don't knowNRL, go ahead and mention what
that means.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Yeah so it's the National Rifle Series and it's a
big.
It's very similar to PRS, ifyou're familiar with that, but
geared specifically towardshunting.
So it's a lot different thanmatches that you would be
familiar with.
You've got to, like, startstanding, but then you don't
know where any of the targetsare.
You have to find them, arrangethem, apply your own dope and
data Like it's very much athinker's game.
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It's it's.
It's a lot of fun.
So, if you haven't heard ofthose or or you're looking for,
you know, stretching yourabilities to the next level,
those NRL matches are super funand, like the learning curve is
steep.
The first one you're going tobe like, oh, like don't go with
a bunch of feelings, causethey're going to get hurt.
So you got to learn, you'regoing to have a great time and
then and then it'll really build.
Like it just bleeds over verywell to the hunting side as well
(07:50):
.
What are things that I canapply in my regular hunting?
Uh, that make me more fast,that make me more accurate,
which, at the end of the day,those are the only two things
that matter right now I want totouch base you.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
You mentioned the integrated pick rail right now.
Are they all MOA?
Are they set up straight likethat now?
Speaker 2 (08:06):
Yep, yeah, so everything now.
So on the Element M3, it wasalready integrated into the top
of the action.
That one's still full length.
On the PH3, we split it so youhave the back and the front end
and then mode everything off tosave a bunch of weight in the
middle.
But it is 20 MOA from back tofront.
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So you already have that builtin, you're ready to rumble and
that's yeah, like machine cutsin the top, like trying to lose
every ounce we could.
We did add an adjustable cheekpiece so that comes on all of
the stocked rifles.
Now you can move this cheekpiece up and down.
We have length of pull spacers,which is another one that
people were asking about, whichalways makes me laugh a little
bit, because I got, like youknow, I'm 6'3", my wingspan is
like 6'7", I got gorilla armsright, just big old orangutan
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swingers, and I shoot everythingas short as I can get it.
So guys that are, you know,5'5" are like I need more length
of pull.
I don't know if you do, butwe're offering them now because
that's what people wanted.
But this adjustable cheek piece, we wanted it to be super stiff
.
We wanted it to not have anywiggle.
That's our biggest complaintabout anything that is
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adjustable is you get thatlittle bit of wiggle, little bit
of wobble.
In order to make it as stiff aswe wanted, we had to add about a
half a pound, which is that'sthe tradeoff, right?
So we had to add about a half apound of weight here, which
means we tried to save iteverywhere else we could save it
to make sure that we were stillmeeting that weight.
So same with the Element M3,right, that's five and a half
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pounds.
On the short action, we had toadd about a half a pound to get
that cheap piece in there.
But we're getting some backwith carbon fiber barrels.
So first time that SeekersPrecision is doing them, we're
doing them here in-house, sowe're wrapping those barrels
here in-house.
It's still Rock Creek Steel416R match grade barrels, the
ones that we've been famous forour accuracy for to now.
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That's the biggest question wegot at DSC like oh, it's a new
carbon fiber barrel.
Who's making it?
We are.
I'm sorry that, like mycustomer voice or whatever is,
oh, is this guy from here, butthat's.
It's the same for students.
If you've ever taken one of mylike, had me as an instructor at
Hat Creek or wherever so.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
I like it.
I like it.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
Got a different vision somehow.
Right, it's easier for me to gohigh than low, I guess there
you go there, you go Well.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
So with the, with the carbon fiber technology and
like having that in there, likewhat would I mean?
You guys have all the tooling,everything is done in house,
except for like maybe like the,the butt pad, like, okay,
there's a, there's very fewpieces that aren't done there.
What did that look like whenyou all are developing that,
when you're when looks like youknow, cradle to grave?
I mean, obviously you've goteverything from all the machines
(10:41):
, all the tooling and everything, and then you're testing stuff
out and you're arranged therein-house.
So maybe, if you can just kindof, like you know, give a little
bit of you know overview ofthat, so people can you know,
kind of know what happens at theSeekers Precision Headquarters.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
Yeah, so we do everything on the rifles we do
in-house.
So and when I say everything,we're talking like every barrel
action, the bolt handle, thefiring pin, the bolt face, the
extractor on the bolt face wemake everything on this rifle
tip to tail, except the triggerand the rubber butt pad, right
here on our factory floor.
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So if you go to the website youcan take a tour of the factory.
You can see what it looked likea couple of years ago.
It looks completely differentnow.
We've added like 20,000 squarefeet since we did that.
You know 360 degree tour youcan take.
So there's more machines,there's more stuff here.
We've been playing with carbonfiber barrels for a while, just
for funsies.
But we decided like hey, thisis the year.
(11:35):
Like, let's upgrade the ElementM3.
Let's give it that.
We.
You know we changed the PH2 tothe PH3 and it came with so many
more options than the PH2 did.
Right, full length M-LOK rail,quick change barrel system, you
know, more lug engagement and aneasier throw on the bolt.
What are we going to do for theElement to continue to have
that nice separation between thetwo lines and carbon fiber
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barrels?
Was the obvious answer, right,like hey, we're already spinning
them in-house.
It's been on the R&D tableproject and making barrels
onesie, twosie for guys over thelast couple of years.
So let's get loud about it,let's thin that out and make
that production alive.
But that's the big thing is wedo it all right here on our own
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shop.
We have crazy automation.
There's robots everywhere.
We come in every day likeeverybody gunned up.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
Yeah, you got to be ready.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
We're good so, but it's really a unique place to
work.
Every machine that lands now onthe floor already has a robot
purchased for it with some typeof automation already in mind
for plugging and playing parts,and it's allowed our guys to be
so much more effective with ourtime.
We haven't had to fire anybodybecause of automation.
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We've actually had to addpeople because the growth is so
fast and it's been amazing forus to be able to catch this big
rocket ship ride of growth.
But we can't go so fast that weoutrun the stuff that we're
famous for.
You know Seekin's Precision,not Seekin's Pretty Close.
That's Glenn Seekin's favoritesaying.
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So we do a bunch of testingin-house.
Our quality control process isvery robust, much more so than
somewhere else, because we'remaking them right here, so we
don't have, you know, four orfive or 10 different machine
shops making different parts andsometimes those tolerances
stack up to your favor and gunsas a lights out shooter, and
sometimes they stack up againstyou and it's not.
We don't have to worry aboutany of that, because we test
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everything right here in house.
Things like one in sixreceivers goes through the
entire quality control process.
We have a big Zeiss machinethat measures stuff to, you know
, like 20 microns.
I don't know what thatmeasurement is, it's super small
, so, but it goes through theentire quality control process.
So if anything has gone awry,we know within six actions, and
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then we can go back and getthose other five and pull those
and measure those.
Hey, what was it?
Can it be reworked?
Are these ones out, whatever?
So our scrap rate is extremely,extremely low.
And then our tolerance windowsare so fine because we can't we
can put them out there withthese extremely tight tolerances
, which allows us to make gunson a production style level with
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custom precision and machining,because it's literally all of
those are getting taken intoaccount.
One in eight guns gets pulledand sent downstairs to accuracy
test.
All the guns have to be fired,obviously, before they leave.
So every gun has been shotbefore it leaves here.
But one in eight get accuracytested.
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They go downstairs.
We have a climate controlled100 yard underground range here.
That's a really nice facility.
So everything gets tested thereand it's got to be 0.6, 0.5 or
better or it's not leaving.
So generally, that's what wesee.
Everybody wants to know what ouraccuracy guarantee is.
It's too easy to slap threequarters of a minute on the box,
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send it out and then thecustomer gets a minute or a
minute and a half.
He calls them up and says no,it's three quarters.
Like you're on your own, it'syou or it's the guys, it's the
ammo.
That's not what we want to do.
So, um, our, our, our shootersatisfaction guarantee simply
States that we will.
Our rifles will shoot theaccuracy you require, right?
If that's sub minute, perfect,we're already there.
That's one hole, then we'regoing to.
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We're going to have some someteaching to do right.
We're going to like hey, if youwant to shoot one hole groups,
the gun can absolutely do it.
However, it's not going to doit off the hood of your truck
with 10 dogs in the bed, right,that's.
That's not a thing.
So, like walking hand in handwith customers is something that
our customer service team does,our custom shop, that I do
every day to ensure that theknowledge is there to be able to
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get them the accuracy that theyare expecting or that they
require.
And that has really kind ofwhat sets Seekins apart across
the board is our customerservice and the ability we have
to walk guys down this path.
We'll take the time out, we'llmake sure that they understand
what they need to understand andthat bleeds into lifelong
Seekin's customers and fans ofnot just our product but the
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experience that they had withthe company.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
Well, and I can speak to the accuracy Obviously, this
whole last year you sent me arifle.
I had put it to the test, a lotof animals down, but out the
bat man.
I mean factory ammo.
It's half moa and I'm doingreloads right now and testing
stuff out.
I'm I'm clipping that big time.
I mean this is the mostaccurate factory rifle I've ever
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had.
I had a custom one built for meby a buddy.
He did a great job.
But the factory ammo withy'all's, it's it just beats it
and it's super light.
It's great.
And I'm actually looking forwardto testing out the element
hunter.
Now that thing is sick lookingman and it's got a foldable
stock.
I want you to just talk alittle bit about that because
like that, that is something yousee a lot of in the ar modular
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builds, but this is like ahunter specific.
I mean this thing is incrediblelooking and I know all your
rifles are amazing.
But I wanted you to talk alittle bit about that just
because when I saw that, thatkind of jumped off the page and
it says Hunter in the name andso let's talk about that and
what you hope that people cansee when they have that in their
hands.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
Yeah.
So like the chassis system haskind of invaded the hunting
world the last two years prettyheavily and we're looking at a
lot of the stuff that was outthere and it looks like they
just took like a big tacticalchassis, put it on you know a
horrible diet, and then hey,here's your, here's your hunting
rifle.
It doesn't feel right, itdoesn't really look like because
they've thinned everything downlike there's a lot of wiggle
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and wobble.
It just it wasn't fitting theneed that I think the market
really wanted.
So we looked at it and said,hey, what makes a hunting rifle
a hunting rifle?
Well, it's, it's, it's how itfeels Right.
So we took the slam rifle andwe said, hey, let's, let's make
a, let's make a chassis gun thatfeels still like a hunting
rifle but that gives you all themodularity of a chassis system.
So we launched the SLAM rifletwo years ago.
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It's been super successful.
But it's just out of the customshop.
So the Element Hunter is aproduction version of that gun.
So instead of some of thehand-laid carbon fiber, it's
carbon fiber injection moldedlike carbon fiber plastic mix.
That's injection molded, soit's easier and we can make
numbers a lot faster.
It's not so time consuming ashandling up each carbon fiber
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piece.
But it still comes with allthose same features.
So it still has that fulllength M-LOK rail on the bottom.
It still has a nice fit formand feel of a hunting rifle on
the front end it's not metal,it's not cold, it's not flimsy
and chintzy.
It's still a fore end of ahunting rifle.
And then as you move backwards,now we took that folder and
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threw it on there, so now youcan fold it up.
It's super short, it's supertiny.
We have 16 inch barrel options,we have 20 inch barrel options.
So, suppressed or notsuppressed, it's still sliding
into a scabbard on a backpack orthe side of a horse and it's
just not taking up nearly theroom that it would if it was
extended.
And it's crazy lightweight.
So we're still down in thatfive and a half six pound range,
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but with all of the modularityof a chassis but none of the the
stuff that people don't likeabout it.
You're going to shoot tacticalstuff.
Shoot tactical stuff.
That's a big, heavy system.
They want the weight, they wantit to be heavy, they want the
metal.
But hunters don't necessarilyresonate with that same, that
same shooting style.
They want something that stillfeels like hey man, this is like
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.
This feels more like the riflemy dad taught me to hunt with
than some big tactical monster.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
So, sure, oh man, that's exciting.
Well, man, you know, I justcannot wait to see this get in
people's hands, have everyone'sreactions.
I mean, these are some amazingrifles.
You guys are just pushinginnovation once again.
I mean, I am just blown away byall the things you guys are
doing and you know, I can't waitfor everyone to get out there.
All the shows are coming up.
Put one in your hands, placeyour orders now and everything's
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pretty much shipping right now,or at least within the next few
weeks, right?
Speaker 2 (19:51):
yeah, so I went and pulled this one off of the.
You know the assembly line backthere.
So we are making stuff rightnow.
It's shipping right now.
Uh, you should see them at yourlocal dealer or through our
distributor network.
Uh, start to trickle in, butthey'll be there in mass like
big time for all the wheelsturning.
Like you know, as fast as wecan go down the track, uh, mid
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February, beginning of March,everything should be wide open,
as as fast as we can go, both onthe production side as well as
the shipping side.
So everything is is isscheduled to be turning and
burning.
We're making parts now, we'regetting guns sent out now, uh,
but full tilt, wide open.
You know, all the chocksremoved mid February.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
Everything's, everything's on the roll man so
excited for you guys and youmake sure when you're ordering
your rifle you're picking up thescope rings.
So it started it all for me andnow I am just the seagans man
through and through.
I my other rifles are jealous.
I don't know.
I don't know what to tell them.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
I don't know what to tell them, man.
Yes, I know I'm taking this oneout again.
I'm sorry.
I'll make some time for you onthe weekend, but I won't.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
Just keep them company in the safe.
That's all really at this point.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
So I'm swapping old war stories.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
Exactly, exactly.
I remember when he used to takeme out.
See, I have that voice for myrifles.
You've got the customer voice.
There we go.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
There you go.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
One.
One other thing I was going toask you about, man, that the new
7mm backcountry.
Obviously you know there's beennew.
You know calibers that arecoming out and with the steel
case you're talking about the.
You know the higher pressuresystems there too.
I was just curious, man.
I'm sure you've tested it out,you've put it to the test.
What do you think about it, man?
Is that something that peopleshould be putting in their
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consideration?
Cause I've been.
I was a 300 PRC man last yearand I don't know if I can go
with anything else now.
I love it.
But that one was catching myeye and I, just for people who
might not know, can you talk alittle bit about that caliber
and what that's offered, and isthat offered in all five there?
Speaker 2 (21:43):
Yeah, yeah.
So so we offer it in in all ofour guns.
So the seven the seven backcountry is just a new round that
federal came out with.
It's just a new round thatFederal came out with.
It's a nickel-plated stainlesssteel case, which is so they can
get more pressure.
Now there's a couple differentcompanies that are playing with
it.
Sig has the 277 Fury out.
It's been out for a while, butyou couldn't find any in the
store because every round theywere making was going straight
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to their military contract.
Now, as of middle of December,you can start to see boxes here
and there at your local placethat you're buying ammo.
They're shipping it out moreand more as they've met those
demands that the military needs,and so there's a couple of
differences.
They have, like a stainlesssteel cup and then a brass outer
side, right?
So?
So there's a bunch of stuff togo into about.
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You know the differencesbetween what brass does under
pressure versus what nickelplated stainless steel does
under pressure.
Pressure versus whatnickel-plated stainless steel
does under pressure, yada, yada,yada.
So there's pros and cons toboth the brass expanding and
catching the sidewallseliminates bolt thrust, which is
awesome, but then you have tohave stuff that's able to, you
know, withstand that pressuredown the barrel.
That nickel-plated stainlesssteel on the 7-back country is
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not going to expand and catchany sidewalls in the chamber.
So you're getting a massiveamount of bolt thrust.
So is it going to?
You know everybody's like oh,it's a lot of pressure, it's not
going to hurt anybody, it's notblowing anything up, like
that's not the case.
However, you may experiencelike some heavy bolt lift and
some issues, as that bolt thrusttends, if that gun is not built
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to continuously handle 80,000PSI, you'll start to notice some
things like that.
So seven backcountry is anamazing concept.
High pressure rounds are forsure coming in a bunch of
different calibers.
You know, like I mean, we'renecking down on the R&D side,
we're necking down 277 FuryBrass to 6.5 Creedmoor and it's
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going mop Jesus out of thebarrel, it is so fast.
So five Creedmoor, and it'sgoing mop Jesus out of the
barrel, it is so fast, excuse me.
So, uh, like there's, it iscoming for sure.
Now, when you lead the charge,sometimes it doesn't always work
out for that first guy up thehill Right.
So that is a little bit of mymy.
My worry with seven back countryis they're the ones that are
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leading the charge, which isbold and brave and good for them
, and it is, for sure, a roundworth considering.
There are some other roundsthat are coming down the pipe
which will help continue thatcharge and be sure that that
high pressure becomes a thingthat is commonplace on the Sammy
Speck side of the house, whichis awesome, right, it's fast,
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it's flat, the terminalballistics are absolutely out of
control.
They're just, they're amazing,right.
So that's coming, and I thinkthe seven backcountry is leading
the charge, which is both a proand a con for them.
That's a double edged swordthat's going to cut both ways,
but somebody has to lead thecharge, and I'm glad they're
doing it.
So the next question with thathigh pressure is like what's the
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barrel life?
It's terrible.
Why do you think all of ourguns now have a quick change
barrel, right?
So, yeah, it's not nearly whatyou would get, because it's just
, it's more pressure, everythingis in that throat and that's,
you know, that's where it's at.
So no, the barrel life will notbe nearly as good with the
8,000 PSI versus a standard60,000 PSI semi-spec cartridge.
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But quick change barrel options.
We've already sent our printsout to a bunch of other barrel
manufacturers because they askedus to like hey, we see what
you're doing, we know whereyou're headed, we're looking at
the market, we're all under thesame NDAs.
Like, we want to make somedrop-in barrels for you guys.
So, proof Bartland, a bunch ofother barrel companies are
making stuff specifically forPH2 or PH3s the Element Hunter,
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the Element M3, the HitPro M3,all that stuff.
So barrels will be around asthis high pressure makes its way
in and just starts eating themup.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
And what does that look like as far as, like, let's
say, you know someone's gettinga long action and they get in a
specific caliber.
If they want to have somethingelse that they can switch off,
is that something they can orderdirectly from you guys now, or
are you just producing therifles with those on, and you
know what does that look like?
Speaker 2 (25:43):
as far as the development lead out of that,
but we can always like we'realways making barrels right.
So if there's differentcalibers you want to try
something different, you shotyour barrel out.
Like there's always riflebarrels that are orderable
through sequence, precision, butthe timeline is a little long
for those because we are makingso many guns.
They're, you know, eaten up,you know, depending on the batch
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between you know, 85 and 95percent of the barrels that are
coming out.
So that's why, like othercompanies have realized, hey,
this pinch is coming, coming out.
So that's why, like othercompanies, have realized, hey,
this pinch is coming.
This is our chance to, you know, really get out there and get
our product in front of someguys.
And from from Seekin'sstandpoint, yeah, like we love
you to have to have Seekin stuff, but the pool is big enough for
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everybody to swim around in.
So, like, we're happy to havethese other companies jump on
board and make stuffspecifically for our actions and
allow customers a faster ordifferent option than our carbon
fiber or our stainless steelbarrels.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
Right on.
Well, man, I think if anyonethat's listening wants to learn
out more, I will have all thelinks down below.
There's some great videosfeaturing each one of these new
rifles, some close-ups andB-rolls, some really informative
stuff.
So I'm going to have everythingdown below.
Also, make sure you'refollowing Seekin's Precision on
YouTube and all the socials aswell, and Matty Nelson some
(27:02):
really amazing content there too.
And you know, do you just haveany kind of closing words for
you know some of the customersand fans of Seekin's that you'd
like to go ahead and leave themwith with this podcast.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
Oh, absolutely, like, like, thank you for listening.
Like George, you've been such agood friend just in in in the
short time we've known eachother, like very, very kindred
spirit.
It's it's not always that linesup, and it's been.
It's been awesome to, to beable to swap phone calls and
text messages with you over thelast you know, several months
and months and it's been great.
So, to you and your fans thatare hearing this and to the
(27:35):
Seekins fans that are listeningto this, you guys are what make
it possible this growth thatSeekins has experienced in the
last seven years has been arocket ship, and that is because
of the end users that are outthere trying our stuff and
checking it out.
And we cannot thank you guysenough for your support of
Seekins, your support of ourproduct and getting the word out
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there, to the people, to yourleft and right, letting your
friends know about it and themin turn becoming Seekins fans
through the quality of theproduct and the quality of the
care they get from the peoplehere at Seekins.
So, to all those guys, wecannot thank you enough.
If you haven't heard of Seekins, give us a shot.
Like, like our hats, like I'llput our name in the ring.
(28:16):
You know I'll throw our hat inthe ring and we'd love to have
the opportunity to to to win youover as well.
So thank you so much and wejust love you, guys, man.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
Cheers, man.
Well, hey, thanks again forjoining me and I look forward to
all the wonderful innovativethings that are to come and the
years to come, and I can't waitto test out this rifle and put
it to the test and I'll besharing all my experiences with
you guys.
I had a year in the life ofSeekins and I'll be having that
article be coming out very soon,and you know each year I plan
to do this, man, because theseare the best rifles on the
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market in my opinion.
I love them.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
I love them, I love the people behind it and, maddie
, I love you.
Buddy, thank you so much againfor joining me.
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Hey, everybody, welcome back tothe Son of a Blitch podcast.
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I'm your host, George Blitch,and I got to sit down with
Maddie Nelson with Seekin'sPrecision today, talking about
the 2025 lineup, all the newrifles, all the new updates, the
innovative design that Seekin'sPrecision is known for.
And you guys, you're in for atreat.
Make sure you share this with afriend.
You check out the show notesand the links below.
And you guys, without furtherado, here is my podcast with
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Matty Nelson of Seekin'sPrecision.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Y'all enjoy, matty, how the heck you doing today.
Man so good, man, so good to beback.
Thank you for having me back.
Just honored to be here.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
Dude man, I'm so stoked we're going to be talking
about all the things that aredropping in 2025, for Seekin's
Precision.
I know this is in the middle ofshow season too, so I'm glad we
got to catch you.
How's the show season been sofar?
Speaker 2 (01:26):
It's been good.
So I just got back from DallasSafari Club and I'm headed out
the door to SHOT Show Already.
Half my team is on the roadthis morning.
They're headed out for Reno andthen after that we have Western
Hunt.
So a bunch of shows right in arow.
We're super excited about them.
So yeah it, it's been wild sofar and it's only going to get
more crazy the next couple weeks.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
Yeah, man.
So what are you showcasing?
You guys got five new rifles inhand.
I'll let you go ahead and listthem and let's just kind of dive
in and talk about what's newfor 2025.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Yeah, sounds good.
So we had big, big changes.
All the bolt guns at SeekersPrecision got a change in 2025.
So if there's an M3 designatorafter the name of something
you're already familiar with,that just means it's the new
generation of stuff we havegoing on.
So the HitPro M3 or the ElementM3.
And then we have the PH3, whichis brand new.
It's replacing the PH2.
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And then we have the ElementHunter, which is kind of the
evolution of the element rifle.
So, um, lots and lots ofchanges.
Biggest changes overall are allof the new bolts are three lug
instead of four and they're 60degree throw instead of 90
degree throw.
And there's a couple differentreasons for that.
To get the 60 degrees you haveto have, or to get the three
lugs, it has to be a 60 degreethrow.
Um, but we've gone into a lotof design, a lot like why people
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like the 90 over 60s.
You got, you know, 30 moredegrees to cock that firing pin
back.
Uh, but the new bolt design wehave is like a dual cam system,
so it wants to come apart andcock that rifle.
So it's an easy cock even on 60degrees, which is great.
Um, and then high pressurerounds are coming right.
Seven back country justlaunched, 277 fury's been out.
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There's a bunch more that areunder, like I'm under NDA we
can't talk about but like highpressure rounds are coming and
this new three lug bolt allowsus more lug engagement, allows
us bigger, deeper lugs.
So it's like you know, it's80,000 PSI instead of 60, that's
a lot.
So our rifles have already beenrevamped to handle this higher
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pressure cartridge, thesesemi-spec higher pressure
cartridges that are coming downthe pipe.
So that's the biggest reasonfor the change.
We're super excited about it.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
That's amazing.
And so you guys got some quickchange barrel features like tool
list stuff, and I mean you gotsome carbon fiber barrels.
Let's talk about some of thosethings and some of those new
innovations you guys are kickingout.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Yeah.
So like the on the hit and thehit pro.
Uh, we had the quick changebarrel system which everybody
loved, and then we were like,hey man, how do we get that in
to some of these other platformsagain?
Which just allows you to playaround with a bunch of different
stuff.
So I have a pH three right here, which is super fun.
So it'll be tough to see, butif you go to the website or any
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of the Seekins YouTube channelslike all of them are there up
close a bunch of b-roll, niceand close, so you can get all
the details there.
But we have a couple differentbarrel length options.
We have 20 inch barrels andthen 24 inch barrels for the
short actions, which is nice.
Everybody's is buyingsuppressors.
The suppressor craze is huge.
So those 20 inch barrels reallyallow people that option.
On long action 22 inches or 26inches for the long action so
you can pick which barrel lengthyou want, whether you're
chasing muzzle velocity or youreally want that shorter barrel.
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Integrated Picatinny rail now nomore bolt-on stuff, kind of
slimmed everything down.
Bunch of relief cuts in there.
It's super sharp looking.
Like I said, it's my favoritegun that we're making on the
hunting side right now it lookssuper good Underneath the stock.
It's the same on the Element M3.
So inside this stock now wehave a Seekins mini chassis.
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So it makes up the full lengthM-LOK rail, the bottom metal and
then the mounting portion forthe action makes up the mini
chassis on the inside, which nomore bedding, we don't have to
worry about that stuff.
But now it's machined flatsurfaces all the way around,
which we do amazingly well, sowe can take that barreled action
in and out a bunch of times.
So if you take out the actionscrews, pull the barreled action
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out.
On the bottom of the actionthere is a similar clamp system
to what the hit had.
So you loosen one screw, youspin this barrel off by hand.
You put the new barrel on byhand, so you loosen one screw,
you spin this barrel off by hand.
You put the new barrel on byhand.
You tighten that screw down andyou're done Easy day.
So it's super fast.
It's still a tool-less boltchange.
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If you're changing from 6.5Creedmoor to 6.5 PRC and need a
Magnum bolt head, all that isstill very similar.
You don't need any tools forthat, but two tools one for your
action screws, one for theAllen screw on the side of the
action when you get it out andyou can change your barrel.
Still three minutes tailgate ofyour truck and you're done,
super simple.
So all of our bolt guns nowhave a quick change barrel
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system.
The Element M3, the ElementHunter, the PH3, they all have
the ability to swap thosebarrels in and out super fast.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
That's amazing.
And now you got the Huntermuzzle brake on all of these.
Is that coming standard?
Speaker 2 (06:09):
Yep so so the Hunter brake is coming on, all of them.
It's a radial brake that wedesigned here.
It's the same profile as all ofour barrels, so it's a good
finished, clean look.
The only one that it is notcoming on is the new uh PH3 NRL
which is in glacier blue, whichhas got so much attention that
that will probably be offeredsooner than later across the
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rest of the platforms.
But it's been a very popularcolor but it won't come on.
That one per NRL rules If it'smounted on the gun when it
leaves the factory, that's whatthey have to use.
So a lot of guys want to usetheir own brake.
So it comes with a threadprotector.
But the NRL Hunter also, likeit, comes with an ATC muzzle
brake in the box, just notmounted to the gun.
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And then it has the TriggerTechdiamond trigger as the upgraded
trigger for those kind of morecompetition style trigger
settings that they can adjust to.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
Nice.
And for people who don't knowNRL, go ahead and mention what
that means.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Yeah so it's the National Rifle Series and it's a
big.
It's very similar to PRS, ifyou're familiar with that, but
geared specifically towardshunting.
So it's a lot different thanmatches that you would be
familiar with.
You've got to, like, startstanding, but then you don't
know where any of the targetsare.
You have to find them, arrangethem, apply your own dope and
data Like it's very much athinker's game.
(07:29):
It's it's.
It's a lot of fun.
So, if you haven't heard ofthose or or you're looking for,
you know, stretching yourabilities to the next level,
those NRL matches are super funand, like the learning curve is
steep.
The first one you're going tobe like, oh, like don't go with
a bunch of feelings, causethey're going to get hurt.
So you got to learn, you'regoing to have a great time and
then and then it'll really build.
Like it just bleeds over verywell to the hunting side as well
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.
What are things that I canapply in my regular hunting?
Uh, that make me more fast,that make me more accurate,
which, at the end of the day,those are the only two things
that matter right now I want totouch base you.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
You mentioned the integrated pick rail right now.
Are they all MOA?
Are they set up straight likethat now?
Speaker 2 (08:06):
Yep, yeah, so everything now.
So on the Element M3, it wasalready integrated into the top
of the action.
That one's still full length.
On the PH3, we split it so youhave the back and the front end
and then mode everything off tosave a bunch of weight in the
middle.
But it is 20 MOA from back tofront.
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So you already have that builtin, you're ready to rumble and
that's yeah, like machine cutsin the top, like trying to lose
every ounce we could.
We did add an adjustable cheekpiece so that comes on all of
the stocked rifles.
Now you can move this cheekpiece up and down.
We have length of pull spacers,which is another one that
people were asking about, whichalways makes me laugh a little
bit, because I got, like youknow, I'm 6'3", my wingspan is
like 6'7", I got gorilla armsright, just big old orangutan
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swingers, and I shoot everythingas short as I can get it.
So guys that are, you know,5'5" are like I need more length
of pull.
I don't know if you do, butwe're offering them now because
that's what people wanted.
But this adjustable cheek piece, we wanted it to be super stiff
.
We wanted it to not have anywiggle.
That's our biggest complaintabout anything that is
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adjustable is you get thatlittle bit of wiggle, little bit
of wobble.
In order to make it as stiff aswe wanted, we had to add about a
half a pound, which is that'sthe tradeoff, right?
So we had to add about a half apound of weight here, which
means we tried to save iteverywhere else we could save it
to make sure that we were stillmeeting that weight.
So same with the Element M3,right, that's five and a half
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pounds.
On the short action, we had toadd about a half a pound to get
that cheap piece in there.
But we're getting some backwith carbon fiber barrels.
So first time that SeekersPrecision is doing them, we're
doing them here in-house, sowe're wrapping those barrels
here in-house.
It's still Rock Creek Steel416R match grade barrels, the
ones that we've been famous forour accuracy for to now.
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That's the biggest question wegot at DSC like oh, it's a new
carbon fiber barrel.
Who's making it?
We are.
I'm sorry that, like mycustomer voice or whatever is,
oh, is this guy from here, butthat's.
It's the same for students.
If you've ever taken one of mylike, had me as an instructor at
Hat Creek or wherever so.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
I like it.
I like it.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
Got a different vision somehow.
Right, it's easier for me to gohigh than low, I guess there
you go there, you go Well.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
So with the, with the carbon fiber technology and
like having that in there, likewhat would I mean?
You guys have all the tooling,everything is done in house,
except for like maybe like the,the butt pad, like, okay,
there's a, there's very fewpieces that aren't done there.
What did that look like whenyou all are developing that,
when you're when looks like youknow, cradle to grave?
I mean, obviously you've goteverything from all the machines
(10:41):
, all the tooling and everything, and then you're testing stuff
out and you're arranged therein-house.
So maybe, if you can just kindof, like you know, give a little
bit of you know overview ofthat, so people can you know,
kind of know what happens at theSeekers Precision Headquarters.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
Yeah, so we do everything on the rifles we do
in-house.
So and when I say everything,we're talking like every barrel
action, the bolt handle, thefiring pin, the bolt face, the
extractor on the bolt face wemake everything on this rifle
tip to tail, except the triggerand the rubber butt pad, right
here on our factory floor.
(11:14):
So if you go to the website youcan take a tour of the factory.
You can see what it looked likea couple of years ago.
It looks completely differentnow.
We've added like 20,000 squarefeet since we did that.
You know 360 degree tour youcan take.
So there's more machines,there's more stuff here.
We've been playing with carbonfiber barrels for a while, just
for funsies.
But we decided like hey, thisis the year.
(11:35):
Like, let's upgrade the ElementM3.
Let's give it that.
We.
You know we changed the PH2 tothe PH3 and it came with so many
more options than the PH2 did.
Right, full length M-LOK rail,quick change barrel system, you
know, more lug engagement and aneasier throw on the bolt.
What are we going to do for theElement to continue to have
that nice separation between thetwo lines and carbon fiber
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barrels?
Was the obvious answer, right,like hey, we're already spinning
them in-house.
It's been on the R&D tableproject and making barrels
onesie, twosie for guys over thelast couple of years.
So let's get loud about it,let's thin that out and make
that production alive.
But that's the big thing is wedo it all right here on our own
(12:17):
shop.
We have crazy automation.
There's robots everywhere.
We come in every day likeeverybody gunned up.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
Yeah, you got to be ready.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
We're good so, but it's really a unique place to
work.
Every machine that lands now onthe floor already has a robot
purchased for it with some typeof automation already in mind
for plugging and playing parts,and it's allowed our guys to be
so much more effective with ourtime.
We haven't had to fire anybodybecause of automation.
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We've actually had to addpeople because the growth is so
fast and it's been amazing forus to be able to catch this big
rocket ship ride of growth.
But we can't go so fast that weoutrun the stuff that we're
famous for.
You know Seekin's Precision,not Seekin's Pretty Close.
That's Glenn Seekin's favoritesaying.
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So we do a bunch of testingin-house.
Our quality control process isvery robust, much more so than
somewhere else, because we'remaking them right here, so we
don't have, you know, four orfive or 10 different machine
shops making different parts andsometimes those tolerances
stack up to your favor and gunsas a lights out shooter, and
sometimes they stack up againstyou and it's not.
We don't have to worry aboutany of that, because we test
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everything right here in house.
Things like one in sixreceivers goes through the
entire quality control process.
We have a big Zeiss machinethat measures stuff to, you know
, like 20 microns.
I don't know what thatmeasurement is, it's super small
, so, but it goes through theentire quality control process.
So if anything has gone awry,we know within six actions, and
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then we can go back and getthose other five and pull those
and measure those.
Hey, what was it?
Can it be reworked?
Are these ones out, whatever?
So our scrap rate is extremely,extremely low.
And then our tolerance windowsare so fine because we can't we
can put them out there withthese extremely tight tolerances
, which allows us to make gunson a production style level with
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custom precision and machining,because it's literally all of
those are getting taken intoaccount.
One in eight guns gets pulledand sent downstairs to accuracy
test.
All the guns have to be fired,obviously, before they leave.
So every gun has been shotbefore it leaves here.
But one in eight get accuracytested.
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They go downstairs.
We have a climate controlled100 yard underground range here.
That's a really nice facility.
So everything gets tested thereand it's got to be 0.6, 0.5 or
better or it's not leaving.
So generally, that's what wesee.
Everybody wants to know what ouraccuracy guarantee is.
It's too easy to slap threequarters of a minute on the box,
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send it out and then thecustomer gets a minute or a
minute and a half.
He calls them up and says no,it's three quarters.
Like you're on your own, it'syou or it's the guys, it's the
ammo.
That's not what we want to do.
So, um, our, our, our shootersatisfaction guarantee simply
States that we will.
Our rifles will shoot theaccuracy you require, right?
If that's sub minute, perfect,we're already there.
That's one hole, then we'regoing to.
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We're going to have some someteaching to do right.
We're going to like hey, if youwant to shoot one hole groups,
the gun can absolutely do it.
However, it's not going to doit off the hood of your truck
with 10 dogs in the bed, right,that's.
That's not a thing.
So, like walking hand in handwith customers is something that
our customer service team does,our custom shop, that I do
every day to ensure that theknowledge is there to be able to
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get them the accuracy that theyare expecting or that they
require.
And that has really kind ofwhat sets Seekins apart across
the board is our customerservice and the ability we have
to walk guys down this path.
We'll take the time out, we'llmake sure that they understand
what they need to understand andthat bleeds into lifelong
Seekin's customers and fans ofnot just our product but the
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experience that they had withthe company.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
Well, and I can speak to the accuracy Obviously, this
whole last year you sent me arifle.
I had put it to the test, a lotof animals down, but out the
bat man.
I mean factory ammo.
It's half moa and I'm doingreloads right now and testing
stuff out.
I'm I'm clipping that big time.
I mean this is the mostaccurate factory rifle I've ever
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had.
I had a custom one built for meby a buddy.
He did a great job.
But the factory ammo withy'all's, it's it just beats it
and it's super light.
It's great.
And I'm actually looking forwardto testing out the element
hunter.
Now that thing is sick lookingman and it's got a foldable
stock.
I want you to just talk alittle bit about that because
like that, that is something yousee a lot of in the ar modular
(16:50):
builds, but this is like ahunter specific.
I mean this thing is incrediblelooking and I know all your
rifles are amazing.
But I wanted you to talk alittle bit about that just
because when I saw that, thatkind of jumped off the page and
it says Hunter in the name andso let's talk about that and
what you hope that people cansee when they have that in their
hands.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
Yeah.
So like the chassis system haskind of invaded the hunting
world the last two years prettyheavily and we're looking at a
lot of the stuff that was outthere and it looks like they
just took like a big tacticalchassis, put it on you know a
horrible diet, and then hey,here's your, here's your hunting
rifle.
It doesn't feel right, itdoesn't really look like because
they've thinned everything downlike there's a lot of wiggle
(17:30):
and wobble.
It just it wasn't fitting theneed that I think the market
really wanted.
So we looked at it and said,hey, what makes a hunting rifle
a hunting rifle?
Well, it's, it's, it's how itfeels Right.
So we took the slam rifle andwe said, hey, let's, let's make
a, let's make a chassis gun thatfeels still like a hunting
rifle but that gives you all themodularity of a chassis system.
So we launched the SLAM rifletwo years ago.
(17:53):
It's been super successful.
But it's just out of the customshop.
So the Element Hunter is aproduction version of that gun.
So instead of some of thehand-laid carbon fiber, it's
carbon fiber injection moldedlike carbon fiber plastic mix.
That's injection molded, soit's easier and we can make
numbers a lot faster.
It's not so time consuming ashandling up each carbon fiber
(18:14):
piece.
But it still comes with allthose same features.
So it still has that fulllength M-LOK rail on the bottom.
It still has a nice fit formand feel of a hunting rifle on
the front end it's not metal,it's not cold, it's not flimsy
and chintzy.
It's still a fore end of ahunting rifle.
And then as you move backwards,now we took that folder and
(18:35):
threw it on there, so now youcan fold it up.
It's super short, it's supertiny.
We have 16 inch barrel options,we have 20 inch barrel options.
So, suppressed or notsuppressed, it's still sliding
into a scabbard on a backpack orthe side of a horse and it's
just not taking up nearly theroom that it would if it was
extended.
And it's crazy lightweight.
So we're still down in thatfive and a half six pound range,
(18:58):
but with all of the modularityof a chassis but none of the the
stuff that people don't likeabout it.
You're going to shoot tacticalstuff.
Shoot tactical stuff.
That's a big, heavy system.
They want the weight, they wantit to be heavy, they want the
metal.
But hunters don't necessarilyresonate with that same, that
same shooting style.
They want something that stillfeels like hey man, this is like
(19:19):
.
This feels more like the riflemy dad taught me to hunt with
than some big tactical monster.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
So, sure, oh man, that's exciting.
Well, man, you know, I justcannot wait to see this get in
people's hands, have everyone'sreactions.
I mean, these are some amazingrifles.
You guys are just pushinginnovation once again.
I mean, I am just blown away byall the things you guys are
doing and you know, I can't waitfor everyone to get out there.
All the shows are coming up.
Put one in your hands, placeyour orders now and everything's
(19:48):
pretty much shipping right now,or at least within the next few
weeks, right?
Speaker 2 (19:51):
yeah, so I went and pulled this one off of the.
You know the assembly line backthere.
So we are making stuff rightnow.
It's shipping right now.
Uh, you should see them at yourlocal dealer or through our
distributor network.
Uh, start to trickle in, butthey'll be there in mass like
big time for all the wheelsturning.
Like you know, as fast as wecan go down the track, uh, mid
(20:12):
February, beginning of March,everything should be wide open,
as as fast as we can go, both onthe production side as well as
the shipping side.
So everything is is isscheduled to be turning and
burning.
We're making parts now, we'regetting guns sent out now, uh,
but full tilt, wide open.
You know, all the chocksremoved mid February.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
Everything's, everything's on the roll man so
excited for you guys and youmake sure when you're ordering
your rifle you're picking up thescope rings.
So it started it all for me andnow I am just the seagans man
through and through.
I my other rifles are jealous.
I don't know.
I don't know what to tell them.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
I don't know what to tell them, man.
Yes, I know I'm taking this oneout again.
I'm sorry.
I'll make some time for you onthe weekend, but I won't.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
Just keep them company in the safe.
That's all really at this point.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
So I'm swapping old war stories.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
Exactly, exactly.
I remember when he used to takeme out.
See, I have that voice for myrifles.
You've got the customer voice.
There we go.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
There you go.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
One.
One other thing I was going toask you about, man, that the new
7mm backcountry.
Obviously you know there's beennew.
You know calibers that arecoming out and with the steel
case you're talking about the.
You know the higher pressuresystems there too.
I was just curious, man.
I'm sure you've tested it out,you've put it to the test.
What do you think about it, man?
Is that something that peopleshould be putting in their
(21:28):
consideration?
Cause I've been.
I was a 300 PRC man last yearand I don't know if I can go
with anything else now.
I love it.
But that one was catching myeye and I, just for people who
might not know, can you talk alittle bit about that caliber
and what that's offered, and isthat offered in all five there?
Speaker 2 (21:43):
Yeah, yeah.
So so we offer it in in all ofour guns.
So the seven the seven backcountry is just a new round that
federal came out with.
It's just a new round thatFederal came out with.
It's a nickel-plated stainlesssteel case, which is so they can
get more pressure.
Now there's a couple differentcompanies that are playing with
it.
Sig has the 277 Fury out.
It's been out for a while, butyou couldn't find any in the
store because every round theywere making was going straight
(22:03):
to their military contract.
Now, as of middle of December,you can start to see boxes here
and there at your local placethat you're buying ammo.
They're shipping it out moreand more as they've met those
demands that the military needs,and so there's a couple of
differences.
They have, like a stainlesssteel cup and then a brass outer
side, right?
So?
So there's a bunch of stuff togo into about.
(22:26):
You know the differencesbetween what brass does under
pressure versus what nickelplated stainless steel does
under pressure.
Pressure versus whatnickel-plated stainless steel
does under pressure, yada, yada,yada.
So there's pros and cons toboth the brass expanding and
catching the sidewallseliminates bolt thrust, which is
awesome, but then you have tohave stuff that's able to, you
know, withstand that pressuredown the barrel.
That nickel-plated stainlesssteel on the 7-back country is
(22:46):
not going to expand and catchany sidewalls in the chamber.
So you're getting a massiveamount of bolt thrust.
So is it going to?
You know everybody's like oh,it's a lot of pressure, it's not
going to hurt anybody, it's notblowing anything up, like
that's not the case.
However, you may experiencelike some heavy bolt lift and
some issues, as that bolt thrusttends, if that gun is not built
(23:08):
to continuously handle 80,000PSI, you'll start to notice some
things like that.
So seven backcountry is anamazing concept.
High pressure rounds are forsure coming in a bunch of
different calibers.
You know, like I mean, we'renecking down on the R&D side,
we're necking down 277 FuryBrass to 6.5 Creedmoor and it's
(23:30):
going mop Jesus out of thebarrel, it is so fast.
So five Creedmoor, and it'sgoing mop Jesus out of the
barrel, it is so fast, excuse me.
So, uh, like there's, it iscoming for sure.
Now, when you lead the charge,sometimes it doesn't always work
out for that first guy up thehill Right.
So that is a little bit of mymy.
My worry with seven back countryis they're the ones that are
(23:53):
leading the charge, which isbold and brave and good for them
, and it is, for sure, a roundworth considering.
There are some other roundsthat are coming down the pipe
which will help continue thatcharge and be sure that that
high pressure becomes a thingthat is commonplace on the Sammy
Speck side of the house, whichis awesome, right, it's fast,
(24:15):
it's flat, the terminalballistics are absolutely out of
control.
They're just, they're amazing,right.
So that's coming, and I thinkthe seven backcountry is leading
the charge, which is both a proand a con for them.
That's a double edged swordthat's going to cut both ways,
but somebody has to lead thecharge, and I'm glad they're
doing it.
So the next question with thathigh pressure is like what's the
(24:35):
barrel life?
It's terrible.
Why do you think all of ourguns now have a quick change
barrel, right?
So, yeah, it's not nearly whatyou would get, because it's just
, it's more pressure, everythingis in that throat and that's,
you know, that's where it's at.
So no, the barrel life will notbe nearly as good with the
8,000 PSI versus a standard60,000 PSI semi-spec cartridge.
(24:58):
But quick change barrel options.
We've already sent our printsout to a bunch of other barrel
manufacturers because they askedus to like hey, we see what
you're doing, we know whereyou're headed, we're looking at
the market, we're all under thesame NDAs.
Like, we want to make somedrop-in barrels for you guys.
So, proof Bartland, a bunch ofother barrel companies are
making stuff specifically forPH2 or PH3s the Element Hunter,
(25:20):
the Element M3, the HitPro M3,all that stuff.
So barrels will be around asthis high pressure makes its way
in and just starts eating themup.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
And what does that look like as far as, like, let's
say, you know someone's gettinga long action and they get in a
specific caliber.
If they want to have somethingelse that they can switch off,
is that something they can orderdirectly from you guys now, or
are you just producing therifles with those on, and you
know what does that look like?
Speaker 2 (25:43):
as far as the development lead out of that,
but we can always like we'realways making barrels right.
So if there's differentcalibers you want to try
something different, you shotyour barrel out.
Like there's always riflebarrels that are orderable
through sequence, precision, butthe timeline is a little long
for those because we are makingso many guns.
They're, you know, eaten up,you know, depending on the batch
(26:05):
between you know, 85 and 95percent of the barrels that are
coming out.
So that's why, like othercompanies have realized, hey,
this pinch is coming, coming out.
So that's why, like othercompanies, have realized, hey,
this pinch is coming.
This is our chance to, you know, really get out there and get
our product in front of someguys.
And from from Seekin'sstandpoint, yeah, like we love
you to have to have Seekin stuff, but the pool is big enough for
(26:25):
everybody to swim around in.
So, like, we're happy to havethese other companies jump on
board and make stuffspecifically for our actions and
allow customers a faster ordifferent option than our carbon
fiber or our stainless steelbarrels.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
Right on.
Well, man, I think if anyonethat's listening wants to learn
out more, I will have all thelinks down below.
There's some great videosfeaturing each one of these new
rifles, some close-ups andB-rolls, some really informative
stuff.
So I'm going to have everythingdown below.
Also, make sure you'refollowing Seekin's Precision on
YouTube and all the socials aswell, and Matty Nelson some
(27:02):
really amazing content there too.
And you know, do you just haveany kind of closing words for
you know some of the customersand fans of Seekin's that you'd
like to go ahead and leave themwith with this podcast.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
Oh, absolutely, like, like, thank you for listening.
Like George, you've been such agood friend just in in in the
short time we've known eachother, like very, very kindred
spirit.
It's it's not always that linesup, and it's been.
It's been awesome to, to beable to swap phone calls and
text messages with you over thelast you know, several months
and months and it's been great.
So, to you and your fans thatare hearing this and to the
(27:35):
Seekins fans that are listeningto this, you guys are what make
it possible this growth thatSeekins has experienced in the
last seven years has been arocket ship, and that is because
of the end users that are outthere trying our stuff and
checking it out.
And we cannot thank you guysenough for your support of
Seekins, your support of ourproduct and getting the word out
(27:56):
there, to the people, to yourleft and right, letting your
friends know about it and themin turn becoming Seekins fans
through the quality of theproduct and the quality of the
care they get from the peoplehere at Seekins.
So, to all those guys, wecannot thank you enough.
If you haven't heard of Seekins, give us a shot.
Like, like our hats, like I'llput our name in the ring.
(28:16):
You know I'll throw our hat inthe ring and we'd love to have
the opportunity to to to win youover as well.
So thank you so much and wejust love you, guys, man.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
Cheers, man.
Well, hey, thanks again forjoining me and I look forward to
all the wonderful innovativethings that are to come and the
years to come, and I can't waitto test out this rifle and put
it to the test and I'll besharing all my experiences with
you guys.
I had a year in the life ofSeekins and I'll be having that
article be coming out very soon,and you know each year I plan
to do this, man, because theseare the best rifles on the
(28:47):
market in my opinion.
I love them.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
I love them, I love the people behind it and, maddie
, I love you.
Buddy, thank you so much againfor joining me.
You guys have a great day,thank you.
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