February 15, 2023 • 36 mins
There is a mathematical perfection to the Universe in which we are a part. In this episode Deborah and Brenda explore Sacred Geometry and a way to decode your "numbers" to better understand and find your soul path.
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Announcer (00:09):
Welcome to the Soul Path Sessions podcast with
Deborah Minds Pearson and BrendaLittleton.
Brenda is an educator andcounselor wrote it in YY and
Ecopsychology.
She helps her clients understandthe importance of the mind,
body, spirit, and earthrelationship for healing.
Deborah is a licensedpsychotherapist and has been
trained in traditional andsacred psychology, exploring
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from the ground up what makesour human experience meaningful,
wholesome, and enlightening.
Deborah and Brenda invite you toaccompany them on a soul path
journey as they explore thepossibilities of living a most
soulful life as therapists,seekers, and lovers of fate.
Brenda (00:50):
Welcome back to Saul.
Past Sessions.
I'm Brenda Littleton withDeborah Minds, and today we're
gonna take a look at numerology.
It's a, uh, a practice that Idon't have much experience with,
although I know my mother did alot of numerology.
Mm-hmm.
, and I was raisedwith it.
But the actual, um, mechanics,the art, the science, and the
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practice and the application.
Um, I'm gonna have Debra, uh,walk us through and, um, maybe
even do a case study on me.
Yeah.
Deborah (01:24):
I make get more fun, don't you think?
Yeah.
Everybody get their, yourpencils out because you're gonna
wanna be doing this foryourself.
I have a feeling.
Um, it's fun.
Brenda (01:32):
So, um, walk us through what is numerology and the
science behind it?
Well,
Deborah (01:38):
It's a study of numbers for to begin.
Um, and it's very ancient andlike all mystic scientist
sciences, it's the other meaningof something.
So we all know the numbers, youknow, of one through 10.
Um, and I was content with that.
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I wanna just kind of back up.
I was content with the numbers,just numbers being numbers.
I love numbers.
I've always loved numbers.
Counting has always been afavorite activity.
But about when I was in myforties, I remember walking into
a Barnes and Noble book storewith my daughter Zoe, and she
had to get a book on somethingand I was just minding my own
business when an inner voicesaid to me, you gotta get a book
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on numerology.
And I went, no, cuz I reallyhated astrology numerology.
I didn't, I thought that, sofocus book is carnivalesque
projection, so I, you know, so Ijust stood there and it got more
insistent.
I'm like, get a book onnumerology.
I'm like, Ugh.
And finally the internalpressure got so strong.
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Well, my daughter was lookingfor her book that I went over
and I got like, numerology forcomplete Idiots, fools, you
know, believers whatever.
Brenda (02:48):
Numerology for Dummies.
Deborah (02:49):
Yes.
I mean, it was no for completeIdiots because I just was
so mad.
And, um, so I, I went home and Iread the book and of course I'm
kind of scholarly, so I outlinedit, I did my own numerology and
then I went, okay, this iscreepy.
And then cuz it was so spot on.
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And then I did, we went onvacation and I did my husband,
my daughter, everybody I knewall their birthdays, cataloged
them and went down the rabbithole.
Then I got Dan Millman's book,the Life You Were Born to Live,
which is stellar.
I read and outlined the wholething.
It's all done.
An orange, green, and yellow.
And then I secretly andprivately did all of my clients'
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numerology so I could help themmore.
Wow.
And after 10 years of secretdefining there literally 10
years, cuz you know, I'm apsychotherapist licensed in
California.
I do not want to come acrosslike a carnival barker or a
gypsy or something, although,yeah.
So I didn't reveal, but I didheal.
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And so Great, great
Brenda (03:54):
Tagline.
Yeah.
,
Deborah (03:56):
Right.
It didn't matter if I toldpeople what I was doing.
Brenda (03:58):
Great tagline.
Deborah (03:59):
Yeah.
don't reveal.
You can hear.
Yeah.
And of course I've said beforeon another podcast, my
grandmother was a psychic, achanneler, um, a medium.
I grew up thinking that wascompletely normal and she did
the destiny cards, which lateron I would come to know.
So this was my first doorway.
And, uh,
Brenda (04:18):
So you start with the
Deborah (04:20):
Birthday.
Yes.
So it's a simple enough thing todo.
What I'd like to do is startwith what it is and then go
through what the meaning of thenu the nine numbers are.
Great.
And then we'll do a little demoon
Brenda (04:32):
Brenda.
So if, if, um, like I knowpeople that have a certain
number that they really identifywith.
Yeah.
Like, I, I really identify withfive.
Yeah,
Deborah (04:41):
That
Brenda (04:41):
Makes sense.
Um,.
Oh.
Um, so this will give insight toour listeners as to perhaps why
they have a, um, a particularnumber that they resonate with.
Deborah (04:53):
Yeah.
Generally speaking, I mean,there's so much more to this
than I can present in a 20minute format, but, um, the
number five will figure inpowerfully to your life once I
tell you the meaning of it.
Okay.
And this, um, so we all know westart with the number one.
Let's start at the verybeginning.
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Very good place to start.
So the number one is the numberof creativity and confidence.
Um, it is the, the single.
Okay.
There was just one, one and donein the, in a deck of plane
cards.
It's the ace.
Got it.
And what it stands for is, um,creativity and confidence.
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So all of the numbers have a,uh, resonance with internal
qualities.
Mm-hmm.
.
Okay.
Um, and it's just a straightline.
And, um, that's the positivenature of the one.
Uh, the negative nature of theone is the opposite.
Insecurity andwithdrawal.
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So creativity and confidence.
I will return to this.
If I see somebody, for instance,with a one or 10 life path,
they, they will struggle withthose things, generally speaking
because the life path we'll talkabout in a minute is not what
you're good at.
It's what you're here to master.
Right.
In this lifetime.
So we'll go over the numbers,the lessons.
So, so confidence versusconfidence and creativity versus
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the insecurity.
Insecurity and withdrawal.
Okay.
That would be the negativeaspect of the one.
Got it.
For instance, I have a February10th birthday, that is my
personality card.
If you are born on a one or aone zero, that means that in
your personality, which is notreally your soul, but how you
present to the world, you maycome across as very confident.
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Okay.
Like one zero, you may be reallyinsecure behind all that, but a
one zero indicates the'representing persona.
Exactly.
Okay.
All right.
So what's your birthday numbers?
That's kind of fun.
The number two, it's representedby two lines.
Um, is cooperation and balance.
That's what it means, you andme.
So it's when the one adds one,you get two.
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And so it's all aboutcooperation and balance.
Now that is the goal.
But because those are reallydifficult things to balance, we
tend to fall into overcooperating or codependency when
the number two figures inpowerfully in our lives.
And being out of balance toenmeshment.
Yeah.
Over and under cooperation.
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Exactly.
Got it.
And being out of balance withpeople.
The two, the number two reallyis seeking harmony between you
and me.
Imagine me and you.
I do.
I think about your day and night.
It's only right to think aboutthe one you love and hold them
tight, happy together.
That's a theme song of the two.
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Now I'm a two, so thereforethat's what I do.
Um, and most of us have two,many people have two.
And we'll return, uh, lifechallenges in their numerology,
um, journey.
Okay.
Three.
Number three is represented bythe triangle in sacred geometry,
which is the, another, uh, wayto view, um, the numbers
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themselves are in shapes.
Um, and this is all aboutemotional expression and
sensitivity.
So we have the number two plusone, we got an extra.
So now we can make the triangle.
And the triangle, uh, is very,very sacred.
There's the, the trinity mm-hmm.
.
Um, there's the tension of theopposites plus the one at the
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top, which is holding Yes andno.
And then at the very top of thetriangle is the divine light
shining down on us, um, in itsnegative aspect, in its positive
, uh, aspect, I should sayemotional expression is
childlike wonder, creativity,joy, uh, emotional expression.
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I mean, come on.
It's, you know, com comedy anddrama and all that.
But in the same way thatsensitivity can turn into
childishness, baby ishnesstantrum, throwing outta control,
temper crazy, making over,excessive, or withdrawal.
So when I see a three, uh,person, they tend to understand
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exactly what I'm talking about.
Brenda (09:24):
.
Okay.
So the, i the, their goal wouldbe to become more confident and
confident, uh, more mature.
Deborah (09:32):
Yeah.
To use that sensitivity wiselymm-hmm.
.
And to learn how to emotionallyregulate.
Yeah.
Like one of my three clientssaid, you know, I got, I, my
emotions are like a sled on thetop of a slippery hill.
Mm.
It takes one tiny push and I'mat the bottom of the ice shoot.
Yeah.
And so I helped her with someskills.
Brenda (09:53):
She's no self-regulating.
Deborah (09:54):
She needed self self-regulation.
She's brilliant.
But she needed that becausethree is a really tough number
if you're facing it.
A lot of people have three.
Oh.
And anything that's exponentialwith a zero is 10 times
stronger.
Amplified amplifies.
You have a 30th birthday, youmay Yeah.
Brenda (10:10):
40 is 50.
Yeah.
Deborah (10:11):
That's a personality number.
But if it's your life pathnumber, which we will circle
back to, it's gonna be more,more of a thing.
So let's move on to four three.
You add one, you get a nicestable base.
It's a box.
Brenda (10:26):
Mm.
A square.
Deborah (10:27):
Square.
And that is stability andbalance.
So many people with a four lifepath, they actually have a sort
of boxy appearance, like asquare.
Interesting solidness to them.
Um, we all love stability andbalance.
The thing about the four, it'slike a Ford truck.
It's just reliable as hell.
So the number four has alwaysbeen about that.
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And putting things in order,doing things step by step.
Don't skip steps.
Follow the simple instructions.
That's the number four.
Brenda (10:55):
So they can get stuck though, too.
Deborah (10:57):
Well, the problem with the four in, um, as a life path
challenge is there's this littleissue with a five that, that
enters in.
Uh, and it they can get stuck.
That's true.
But because it's a, it's achallenge instability.
Mm-hmm.
And being out of balance is achallenge.
You see, if you have a four lifepath number, it would seem like
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you'd be so, like, you know,square, Hey man, it's hip to B
square.
But the problem is theopposite's gonna be your
challenge.
Mm-hmm.
.
So we always wanna look at itlike as the opposite instability
out balance.
I don't wanna do thingsaccording to Hoyle.
I, you know, I I,
Brenda (11:35):
So we can have phases in our life as well, going through,
um, spots that amplify or focuson, um, these aspects.
Deborah (11:44):
Yes.
So, okay.
When, when we're doing the mathon this, I'm gonna return to
this.
We're gonna see what our lifepath number is, and it's gonna
gonna be one of theseexponentially or doubled.
Okay.
And you'll be able to see alittle bit better.
Brenda (11:59):
Okay.
So five.
Deborah (12:00):
Now five is, um, really the human form.
Um, you know, like Da Vinci's,uh, five pointed.
Yeah.
Man.
Right.
A
Brenda (12:09):
Pente.
A pentacle.
Deborah (12:10):
Yes, exactly.
So it's, um, the freedom anddiscipline is the challenge of
the five.
Uh, five is the number that'slike the square with an added
leg.
A a table with another leg.
What are you gonna do with thatextra leg?
Well, that's your freedom anddiscipline, huh.
So freedom's just another wordfor nothing left to lose.
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And, um, what happens with fivepeople a lot is they, they're
usually scintillating fun, lovetheir freedom and discipline,
uh, is the other aspect.
It's, it's a balancing aspect.
And they tend to go one way orthe other too much.
They can be so disciplined,there's no fun.
They can, they can just, therearen't that many that are like
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that I've noticed.
Um, the, the other one is thatthere's so much freedom that
nothing ever gets created forvery long.
Mm-hmm.
, uh, they can makegreat salespeople.
They love new ideas.
They love the innovative, theylove to travel.
They, you know, they just reallylove their freedom.
When I'm working with somebodywho has this as a life
challenge, it's always balancingthat so they don't get out of
balance with too muchdiscipline.
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Not enough freedom, or too muchfreedom.
Not enough discipl discipline.
It's the seesaw.
Brenda (13:20):
So number six,
Deborah (13:22):
Number six is actually the philosopher stone.
It's made by putting a triangleinside of a triangle like the
star of David.
Okay.
Yeah.
Um, so you have a six pointedstar.
Mm-hmm.
, and it's meansvision and acceptance is the
goal.
And so when you look at themeaning of one triangle points
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down at the earth, the othertriangle points up at the
heavens.
This has always been considereda very sacred, um, as events by
its use in the Judaic traditionsymbol for as above, so below.
Mm-hmm.
, um, the wordsvision and acceptance mean that
you have to look both up anddown to have good vision.
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You have to see what's going onin the earth.
And you look up, you lookexpanded beyond your own
consciousness.
And this is a challenging onebecause the freedom, I mean, I'm
sorry, the vision can turn intoperfectionism.
Mm-hmm.
I'm a six life path.
I know about it.
Like, I wouldn't do the podcastcuz you know, I'll never be
perfect enough.
I have the vision of it and Ican get so many visions, but the
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practical application can bedifficult.
So I have to be careful aboutperfectionism, which is a whole
I can fall into.
Brenda (14:39):
So the acceptance part is also comes from the stability
of under, like, if you can see,and, and you, you, you foresee,
you know that it, what's comingin the sense of, um, not so much
predestine, but you know, thatthere's a comfort zone.
There's a comfort level ofcompetence and, um, acceptance
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involved.
Deborah (15:01):
It's gonna be a, it's gonna be what you strive for
with the six of life path.
There's, it's, uh, very karma.
The number six is connected tokarma.
Um, it's connected to family.
It's a pregnant number if youlook at it.
Brenda (15:15):
Got guy.
Deborah (15:15):
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's, so the people with sixlife paths tend to call
everybody brother, sister,family.
Okay.
You know?
And, um, the acceptance part iswe have to look at all angles.
So if something happensdifficult to a six life path,
it's the number that's morelikely to say what good can come
with this.
Right.
Because find the lesson.
Yeah.
Find the lesson because karma'sgonna hit us.
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Right.
So it's the number of fatedestiny.
Cool.
Brenda (15:38):
Balancing seven,
Deborah (15:40):
Seven.
A beautiful number seven, theseven sacraments.
Um, seven seventh heavens.
Uh, the symbol for this is therainbow.
Brenda (15:49):
Oh.
Deborah (15:49):
It's the rainbow bridge and it's the number of rest.
Um, and the colors of the, ofthe rainbow.
Uh, it's beautiful.
I get chills when I'm thinkingabout it.
Uh, the number seven is allabout trust and openness.
After so much activity, we needa bridge.
And if you ever meet a sevenperson, they will tend to be
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quiet and they'll tend to listenmore than they speak.
Um, and they will have a restfulnature.
It's also the card of faith.
Brenda (16:20):
So it seems like a sense of vibration and a sense of
peace.
I mean, when I see, when I see arainbow, it's just, I get
awestruck.
Right.
It's like, wow, this is righthere.
Yeah.
Yes.
And I don't often get to see itsince it's here, it's gonna go
real soon.
Pay attention.
Deborah (16:36):
Exactly.
So, so the seven, um, like theseventh day of the week, we
rest.
Ah,
Brenda (16:41):
Okay.
Deborah (16:42):
So this idea that the seven is all about rest, the
challenge for the seven personis trust and openness.
So very often when you meet aseven person, they will, they
keep their cards close to theirbest.
Mm-hmm.
, a seven personwill be somebody that you think
you know, but then the next timeyou meet'em, it's like a
stranger sometimes.
Hmm.
You really have to win their,they're like their rabbit.
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You have to really win theirtrust.
And it's not so easy, it'sdifficult for them.
Many of them can be passiveaggressive in the negative
mm-hmm.
because they don'ttrust you.
It's their challenge.
Brenda (17:14):
So the openness, the opposite of openness in would be
a sense of closure.
Um, um, apprehension.
Deborah (17:21):
Mm-hmm.
.
Retreat.
Retreat.
I'm not, you know, I reallydon't wanna deal with people.
They're not trustworthy.
I'm gonna, I'm a rock, I'm anisland.
Yeah,
Brenda (17:27):
I know that one.
Deborah (17:29):
.
Yeah.
So, so we, I think we all havethese qualities.
If it's a life path challengefor you, it's gonna be much more
accentuated.
Yeah.
Okay.
So now we're gonna move forwardto the powerful eight.
Yeah.
Eight on its side is the symbolfor infinity in the Egyptian,
right?
Mm-hmm.
Brenda (17:45):
.
Deborah (17:46):
And it stands for power and abundance.
So if you can picture the eightright side up as two circles,
one on top of each other
Brenda (17:55):
Mm-hmm.
.
And I do see it that
Deborah (17:56):
Way.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So the top one in our culture inthe, in the west is power over
abundance.
Like, if I have a lot of power,I'll have a, so if you could
picture it like an hourglassmm-hmm.
, the top one wouldbe the power.
And if I do a lot of thingspowerfully, then I'll get
abundance.
It'll, it'll the sands.
We'll go to the bottom.
Now in the mystic tradition, youflip
Brenda (18:14):
It.
Yeah.
Deborah (18:15):
And so you see the, the spiritual abundance as feeding
the earthly needs.
Brenda (18:21):
I recently had a, a client saying, I thought I was
gonna be expanding my outerpower to receive inner
abundance, but this whole yearhas transferred itself so that
I've worked, I've received moreinward power.
And that will achieve outwardabundance.
Deborah (18:39):
That's right.
Yeah.
That's right.
So, so when a person's workingthat correctly, like person
you're talking about, they findthat things, the power comes
through them as part of them,but it doesn't belong to them.
It's, it's universal energy
Brenda (18:53):
And it's the affect.
It's not, um, the, the abundancepart and the power.
Um, again, I I I, I always seethe sense of, um, ego versus
soul mm-hmm.
and any handicapsor limitations.
It's the ego getting stuck andthat what carries it through and
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what allows the sense of growthis soul seeping in and taking
some burden off that outwardmanifestation of the ego.
And, um, so Right on.
Yeah.
In
Deborah (19:23):
Fact, when you were saying this, you were making the
I know,
Brenda (19:25):
Sign
Deborah (19:26):
With your hand.
Like you're just going like,here we go.
Everything serves.
And, um, it's a, it's like whenyou, we surrender and we put the
surrender on the top to theabundance of universal
intelligence that belongs to us.
And we are the, the container orthis we are the container.
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Mm-hmm.
, then what poursinto the bottom serves.
Mm-hmm.
serves the greater
Brenda (19:53):
Good.
That's so interesting.
I used to have a time, a sandhourglass.
Yeah.
You know, and I would have thatas my Oh, session's over.
Deborah (20:01):
I love that.
I love it.
I I would love to use somethingjust like that.
So when we forget spirit, whatwe do in the negative, which
you'll see with a power person,is they use power tools.
Yeah.
Um, they may usemethamphetamines to go faster.
Right.
I see a lot of eight addicts.
Got it.
They, they override the, theirbody.
They're simulating, they'reusually beautiful, powerful
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looking people.
But they burn out.
Yeah.
Because they have to use a lotof substances.
They tend to treat people mean.
Mm-hmm.
Um, they tend to confuse earthlygold for spiritual gold.
So the, their bumper sticker isthe one who dies with the most
toys wins.
Mm-hmm.
.
And that yet they come crashinginto a therapist's office saying
like, I've got five homes andfive wives and a whole pocket of
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misery.
Can you help me?
Mm-hmm.
I'm this and that.
This is my ego.
It's so big.
And my toilet seat is gold.
And I, and I need somegrounding.
So eights when they hit crashand burn are incredible at
learning what the source of trueabundance is.
Which is, which is love.
Brenda (21:02):
Nice.
Deborah (21:03):
It's love.
Really nice.
It's always been love.
And it always will be
Brenda (21:06):
Beautiful.
Yeah.
So then what's left over fornine?
Deborah (21:08):
Number nine.
So nine is the penultimatenumber.
It's the number of integrity andwisdom.
Mm-hmm.
It's coming full circle.
So integris, so the, the symbolfor nine would be the circle.
Mm-hmm.
.
You can actually see that littlecircle with that line.
It's a rope.
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It stands for a rope in Egyptian, um,
Brenda (21:31):
Orora Boris
Deborah (21:32):
Orora Boris correctly.
Yes.
Correct.
They snake eating its own tail.
Mm-hmm.
.
So the, um, the two words thatgo with the number nine are
integrity and wisdom.
Um, this means to embraceeverything that's happening to
you and learn from it.
So you can have wisdom.
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The word wisdom is, uh, ancientold English word divided into
wisdom.
The vi was v i s mm-hmm.
Turned into a w that meansvision.
D o m is dominion.
So you put vision and dominion.
You, you then have knowledge.
So what I see, and I learn, Ican learn from mm-hmm.
.
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So nine people in the positivetend to give everything away.
They're returning, uh, like thearbor to themselves.
They're the, they, they learnfrom their experiences.
They're wise beyond all measure.
And, um, in the negative, it'scrazy cuz this number has such a
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high calling that quite a fewpeople don't ascend to it.
And they, what they do is theygo offline, there's nobody worse
in my caseload than a nine who'sgone offline because they worry
they can't get outta their ownway.
There's negative Nellies, thesky is falling.
They're the most worried,indecisive, lost souls who just
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don't accomplish much ofanything.
They recognize integrity, butthey don't apply it.
They'll do drugs.
They'll be like, I'll just findthem wandering in the desert
uncle like, oh God, they gottabe a nine
Brenda (23:05):
.
So this is a, like a sidebar,but when I hear the aura Boris,
um, I used to do a lot of workwith Aura Boris.
And the idea is everyone talksabout how it's a circle and it
contains, but then to me it'slike, well that's a very clear
boundary.
So when you've created an ororaBoris, you have a very clear
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boundary of not only what you'recontaining inside, but you're
also de uh, denoting what isoutside.
You're not letting in in yourbeautiful space.
All of that which is out there.
So this would tie in with anine, I would think.
Mm-hmm.
in the sense ofcontaining your own integrity.
Yes.
Your own and, and containing thewisdom and having a definitive
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circle.
Deborah (23:46):
Abso I love that.
I'm gonna add that to myknowledge base cuz that's spot
on.
In fact, quite a few nines giveso much away, they have nothing
left.
Right.
And you've gotta use some, insome wisdom to know what, you
know, don't just give thingsaway
Brenda (23:57):
And have boundaries.
Deborah (23:58):
And have boundaries.
Yeah.
Don't give it all away.
So the dark side is worry andaddiction.
Um, when they get on the trail,there's some of those beautiful
souls I've worked with gangmembers that in the past who I
knew when I knew they were anine, I knew I could work with
'em.
Brenda (24:12):
Hmm.
Deborah (24:12):
Okay.
They got out of integrity.
So do you wanna play with
Brenda (24:15):
Your Yeah, let's play, let's play, let's, I have, um, I
know my mother did mynumerology, she did all this
when I was younger, but I, I,um, you know, this one of my
resistance, I was like, that waswhat I did when I was a child.
mm-hmm.
.
So, um, I'd love to bereintroduced to the value
because I know it's integral asfar as understanding your own
(24:36):
life, client life, um, dealingin couples.
Um, and also I, I, uh, wouldthink that this would be useful
in an instrumental when you'restarting a project mm-hmm.
and see the numberen numerology for a project.
Deborah (24:49):
Oh absolutely.
For me it is.
Yeah.
Good.
Because my, my 26, um, my 24 6life path helps me a lot.
So, okay.
Brenda (24:56):
Um, yeah.
So what do you need from me?
Well,
Deborah (24:58):
I just need your birthday.
Okay.
And I want everybody in who'slistening take the time to get
to Pen, because you're gonna bedoing the math on yourself if
you wish.
It'll make it much more rich foryou.
So we're gonna, I'm gonna askBrenda is her birth month, day,
and year.
So, and we're gonna add thosenumbers up one at a time.
Okay.
Brenda (25:16):
So May
Deborah (25:17):
Mm-hmm.
five,
Brenda (25:19):
That's a five is 15.
Mm-hmm.
Deborah (25:20):
plus one
plus five.
Brenda (25:23):
So keep going five.
And then 10 and 11, that's
Deborah (25:27):
Two.
No, we're gonna separate themout.
Okay.
We're just gonna go five plusone plus five
Brenda (25:32):
Plus plus five
Deborah (25:33):
Plus one plus nine
Brenda (25:36):
Plus five.
Five
Deborah (25:37):
Plus five plus.
And when you add those numbersup, you get oh, 31
Brenda (25:42):
.
Deborah (25:43):
Okay.
Then you collapse that numberand you put a slash and you
collapse it into four.
So it'll be like a 31 over afour.
Like a like Yeah.
There you go.
So now
Brenda (25:55):
Why over a
Deborah (25:56):
Four?
Well, because you collapse thethree and the one and that's
your life path number.
It's four.
Yeah.
So what we do, if you canpicture this now, if everybody's
catching up, you can do thislater.
Cuz I'm gonna, for the interestof time, I'm gonna move ahead
with Brenda's stuff.
Um, and remember the book, uh,the Life You Were Born to Live
by Dan Millman is the mostexcellent resource on all of the
(26:18):
numerology books I have.
So what we're gonna look at isthat the life path number, the
three and the one in Brenda'slife path are like doors.
They're beautiful doors on onedoor.
They're, there's a three and theother door is a one.
And those two doors are going tohave to be worked
Numerologically in order forBrenda to get to her four.
Okay.
Okay.
(26:38):
So we're gonna start with thenumber three.
For Brenda, it's very, veryimportant that she addresses her
emotional expression andsensitivity.
Mm-hmm.
, it might be saidthat Brenda, if she's not
careful, would let her emotionsget the best of her.
And in the negative, we alwayswanna look at the negative.
When we're the weak weakestpoint.
The weakest point.
We want it and we wanna use, wealso wanna address the gift.
(27:02):
So if Brenda is using herartistic, which I know she does,
um, emotional nature.
Well, and not fritter away hertime in tantrums and
complaining, which would be achallenge for any three life
path.
Not to, not Brenda inparticular, but I'm using Brenda
as our Guinea pig today.
Yeah.
The three, uh, is trying tomaster their emotions, which is
(27:24):
a lifelong journey.
Brenda (27:26):
Yeah.
Is that the, uh, compensation isto dismiss emotion and go for
the rational.
Mm-hmm.
, you know, go forthe intellect.
Deborah (27:36):
Yeah.
There's nothing wrong with that,it's just that, but it's a
compensation.
It's not Yeah.
It's a compensation.
It's, it's just, it's your path,you know?
Yeah.
So the one door is all aboutcreativity and confidence.
It opens again to her life path.
So in Brenda's life, it could bespeculated that she has the
potential for a lot ofcreativity.
She may have struggled withconfidence at times mm-hmm.
(27:56):
, because that isthe difficulty feeling blocked,
not being able to get out of ajust a, a creative block and not
feeling confident about herselfmight be the challenge.
I'm gonna turn it over to you,Brenda.
I can relate to that.
Brenda (28:09):
Well, I wasn't until I was 40 and living in a marriage
where I was comfortable beingcreative where I didn't have to
sequester myself away.
Sequester away.
Yeah.
To hide my creativity.
It was part of the, the, thehome.
It was ex almost expected to becreative mm-hmm.
(28:31):
.
And, um, so yeah, the idea ofhaving confidence through my
creativity, I, I had garneredconfidence through my business
acumen, but I hadn't reallyallowed the creativity to be
expressed until much, you know,in my midlife.
And it was a struggle.
And it's, um, it, it's a greatgift because it's a foundation
(28:51):
now that is unwavering.
Mm-hmm.
, you know, I, Ibelieve in my, not only my
artistic creativity, but mywriting creativity mm-hmm.
through being aprofessor and, and writing
papers and present, you know,it's just that it had to come
though.
Mm-hmm.
I mean, up until then I hadabsolutely like, nobody wants to
hear this.
Yeah.
Nobody
Deborah (29:10):
Needs this.
That's the one challenge.
Nobody want the de the littledemonn in the ear.
Nobody needs this.
You know, the critic.
Yeah.
Nobody wants it.
Nobody will do it.
So that's the one challenge, theconfidence you might see, you
know, somebody, you thinkthey're so confident, but if
they have the one challenge, youknow, that it was part of the
curriculum and I called it thedivine curriculum.
Mm-hmm.
, uh, Pythagoras,who was one of the people who
began this whole conversationabout the interconnection of
(29:31):
numbers and life path.
Cool.
Um, but talked about this being,uh, a, the school in ancient
Greece, you know, this is aschool where you found out, out
your numerology, then you knewyour path.
Mm-hmm.
.
So for you, Brenda, you facedthe wine.
And I imagine like in my path,I, I bounce back, I get kicked
out the door quite a bit.
Like, then I have to look atwhat did I not do Right.
(29:53):
Okay.
And I know what my numbers are,so it helps me.
Got it.
Now we're gonna bust open thosedoors.
We're gonna actually open thesebeautiful, beautiful
Brenda (30:00):
Doors.
The carved wooden doors.
Deborah (30:02):
You can choose the kind of doors they are.
And we have the lovely numberfour waiting for Brenda and
Brenda (30:07):
That.
And we get the life path byadding those two numbers
Deborah (30:10):
Together.
Exact them all.
Okay.
Brenda (30:12):
Them all.
So, and everyone at home, if youhave their, their numbers and
they add'em together, and thenthe bottom part that's becomes
their life path.
Deborah (30:19):
That's your life path as like, as a Dan Millman is so
good at explaining.
Okay.
So for Brenda, her number isfour, and that's all about, as
you remember the box stabilityand balance mm-hmm.
mm-hmm.
.
Now if she's in the, I'm gonnatalk about the negative because
it'll help our listeners.
Stability and balance would bethe goal, but it would be a
(30:40):
challenge at some point inBrenda's life because she
wouldn't have chosen it.
I mean, the idea here is thatyou choose your curriculum to
master it while you're in soul,in form on the planet.
So Brenda May have experiencedtimes where she felt very
unstable.
Mm-hmm.
, she may have feltcompletely outta balance and she
may have skipped steps to getthere.
She might have jumped over andignored building a solid
(31:03):
foundation.
That would be the norm.
Um, I have a four challenge inmy life, and like reading
instructions when I'm gonna putsomething together is a weak
point.
Mm-hmm.
I've learned to do it.
Just read the simpleinstructions.
.
Brenda (31:16):
Well, it does add a sense of, line up the dots on
continuity.
When I look at being a ballerinafor 14 years mm-hmm.
riding horses and,and, uh, mastering a balance
technique on horses.
Mm-hmm.
, you know, in thesense of being elevated and
being in balance, um, as well asbalance, as far as security.
(31:45):
Um, I have a pension.
Like I, I absolutely have to ownland.
Like I cannot live in a condo oran apartment.
That's
Deborah (31:54):
So four of you,
Brenda (31:56):
It's just like, have to, you've gotta have the four
walls.
Deborah (31:58):
Yeah.
You see that and
Brenda (31:59):
The four, the four lines of the five acres mm-hmm.
or, you know,whatever the property is.
Mm-hmm.
, it's like I haveto have that.
Mm-hmm.
.
It's like if I, I could befalling apart as long as I have
that mm-hmm.
Deborah (32:11):
,
good foundations.
Yeah.
So that, that means that Brendasounds like she works her life
path.
Um, she's working her life path.
She's, she's using hercreativity.
Well, she's confident and she'screating a good structure for
herself in, in her, her project.
She's making sure she'sfollowing the simple
instructions.
She's carrying through with herprojects, she's getting them
(32:33):
done.
I know Brenda well enough to saythat is correct.
She's certainly not done becausewe're never, never done.
What I find is that when I'veachieved something, I just sign
up for the next thing and then Ihave to practice all over again,
uh, to, to apply those sameprinciples.
All my life path is a bitdifferent.
Mm-hmm.
in your life, youmight find it a challenge where
(32:54):
you get emotionally upset andyou don't feel confident mm-hmm.
and you don't havethe structure you need.
Brenda (33:00):
Well, I, I understand that when I am emotionally
imbalanced, I get physicallysick.
Deborah (33:06):
Yeah.
Brenda (33:07):
You know, it, it is that quick.
Yeah.
And if I'm going to repairmyself, um, go to art, um, you
know, create something.
Right.
Something, um, listen to poetry,it, it, it is a balancing act
for me in that sense.
Deborah (33:23):
We Yes.
And this is so important.
All of these are a balancing actactually.
I mean, they all have theirteeter-totter creativity and
confidence cooperation balance.
Yeah.
You can see there's a fulcrumhere.
Yeah.
Um, nobody stays perfectlybalanced all the time.
It's like a matter of a questionof
Brenda (33:40):
Balance.
I've often, um, Reached thepoint with myself and my clients
in that, um, we are all damagedwith something.
And that is a clear indicationas to what the signposts are.
That it's almost, um, a, um, atravel plan, uh, uh, like going
to the old AAA to get a travelplan, you know mm-hmm.
(34:02):
.
And so we're actually given theroadmap, if we act, if we look
at it yes.
As this is, these are the itemson the list to work through,
these are the areas ofimprovement.
This is our, these are our teststhat are specifically uniquely
our own.
And you don't have to search toofar to go outside of that to
find it.
So stop wasting time and get onwith it.
(34:25):
Deborah (34:25):
So true.
I mean, when I got a hold ofwhat this particular stuff
Brenda (34:30):
Yeah.
Deborah (34:31):
Um, it wasn't just mental.
I had a full body realizationthat I came up on a Rosetta
Stone.
Yeah.
Again, we'll go back to thebeginning of the story.
I'm in Barnes and Noble, I don'twant anything to do with this.
The voice says you'reinterested.
Now my body lights up like aChristmas tree.
I become extremely interested.
It benefits humanity.
(34:51):
It benefits me.
It makes me more loving.
It makes me able to accomplishwhat I came here to do.
So it's was given to peoplethroughout all, I've looked up
it up, it was found in ancientEgypt, in Greece, in, in, in
Israel, Egypt, and all theseIndia.
It, there's not a culture that,this was not the, the secret
(35:12):
handshake.
Brenda (35:13):
Well, I love our secret handshake, Deborah, I'm
glad that we've had a show onthis.
And the beginning of the year,we first went through the year
The Rabbit, and now we're movinginto numerology.
Perfect.
And, uh, we're gonna go look atrepair.
Yay.
So thank you so much.
I My pleasure.
I I'm going to, um, take mynotes and, um, and apply them.
Yeah.
Deborah (35:33):
Yay.
Yay.
Okay.
Tell we meet again.
Thank
Brenda (35:35):
You.
All right, bye.
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Brenda (00:50):
Welcome back to Saul.
Past Sessions.
I'm Brenda Littleton withDeborah Minds, and today we're
gonna take a look at numerology.
It's a, uh, a practice that Idon't have much experience with,
although I know my mother did alot of numerology.
Mm-hmm.
But the actual, um, mechanics,the art, the science, and the
(01:14):
practice and the application.
Um, I'm gonna have Debra, uh,walk us through and, um, maybe
even do a case study on me.
Yeah.
Deborah (01:24):
I make get more fun, don't you think?
Yeah.
Everybody get their, yourpencils out because you're gonna
wanna be doing this foryourself.
I have a feeling.
Um, it's fun.
Brenda (01:32):
So, um, walk us through what is numerology and the
science behind it?
Well,
Deborah (01:38):
It's a study of numbers for to begin.
Um, and it's very ancient andlike all mystic scientist
sciences, it's the other meaningof something.
So we all know the numbers, youknow, of one through 10.
Um, and I was content with that
(01:59):
I wanna just kind of back up.
I was content with the numbers,just numbers being numbers.
I love numbers.
I've always loved numbers.
Counting has always been afavorite activity.
But about when I was in myforties, I remember walking into
a Barnes and Noble book storewith my daughter Zoe, and she
had to get a book on somethingand I was just minding my own
business when an inner voicesaid to me, you gotta get a book
(02:20):
on numerology.
And I went, no, cuz I reallyhated astrology numerology.
I didn't, I thought that, sofocus book is carnivalesque
projection, so I, you know, so Ijust stood there and it got more
insistent.
I'm like, get a book onnumerology.
I'm like, Ugh.
And finally the internalpressure got so strong.
(02:41):
Well, my daughter was lookingfor her book that I went over
and I got like, numerology forcomplete Idiots, fools, you
know, believers whatever.
Brenda (02:48):
Numerology for Dummies.
Deborah (02:49):
Yes.
I mean, it was no for completeIdiots
so mad.
And, um, so I, I went home and Iread the book and of course I'm
kind of scholarly, so I outlinedit, I did my own numerology and
then I went, okay, this iscreepy.
And then cuz it was so spot on.
(03:10):
And then I did, we went onvacation and I did my husband,
my daughter, everybody I knewall their birthdays, cataloged
them and went down the rabbithole.
Then I got Dan Millman's book,the Life You Were Born to Live,
which is stellar.
I read and outlined the wholething.
It's all done.
An orange, green, and yellow.
And then I secretly andprivately did all of my clients'
(03:32):
numerology so I could help themmore.
Wow.
And after 10 years of secretdefining there literally 10
years, cuz you know, I'm apsychotherapist licensed in
California.
I do not want to come acrosslike a carnival barker or a
gypsy or something, although,yeah.
So I didn't reveal, but I didheal.
(03:53):
And so Great, great
Brenda (03:54):
Tagline.
Yeah.
Deborah (03:56):
Right.
It didn't matter if I toldpeople what I was doing.
Brenda (03:58):
Great tagline.
Deborah (03:59):
Yeah.
You can hear.
Yeah.
And of course I've said beforeon another podcast, my
grandmother was a psychic, achanneler, um, a medium.
I grew up thinking that wascompletely normal and she did
the destiny cards, which lateron I would come to know.
So this was my first doorway.
And, uh,
Brenda (04:18):
So you start with the
Deborah (04:20):
Birthday.
Yes.
So it's a simple enough thing todo.
What I'd like to do is startwith what it is and then go
through what the meaning of thenu the nine numbers are.
Great.
And then we'll do a little demoon
Brenda (04:32):
Brenda.
So if, if, um, like I knowpeople that have a certain
number that they really identifywith.
Yeah.
Like, I, I really identify withfive.
Yeah,
Deborah (04:41):
That
Brenda (04:41):
Makes sense.
Um,
Oh.
Um, so this will give insight toour listeners as to perhaps why
they have a, um, a particularnumber that they resonate with.
Deborah (04:53):
Yeah.
Generally speaking, I mean,there's so much more to this
than I can present in a 20minute format, but, um, the
number five will figure inpowerfully to your life once I
tell you the meaning of it.
Okay.
And this, um, so we all know westart with the number one.
Let's start at the verybeginning.
(05:14):
Very good place to start.
So the number one is the numberof creativity and confidence.
Um, it is the, the single.
Okay.
There was just one, one and donein the, in a deck of plane
cards.
It's the ace.
Got it.
And what it stands for is, um,creativity and confidence.
(05:38):
So all of the numbers have a,uh, resonance with internal
qualities.
Mm-hmm.
Okay.
Um, and it's just a straightline.
And, um, that's the positivenature of the one.
Uh, the negative nature of theone is the opposite.
(06:00):
So creativity and confidence.
I will return to this.
If I see somebody, for instance,with a one or 10 life path,
they, they will struggle withthose things, generally speaking
because the life path we'll talkabout in a minute is not what
you're good at.
It's what you're here to master.
Right.
In this lifetime.
So we'll go over the numbers,the lessons.
So, so confidence versusconfidence and creativity versus
(06:24):
the insecurity.
Insecurity and withdrawal.
Okay.
That would be the negativeaspect of the one.
Got it.
For instance, I have a February10th birthday, that is my
personality card.
If you are born on a one or aone zero, that means that in
your personality, which is notreally your soul, but how you
present to the world, you maycome across as very confident.
(06:44):
Okay.
Like one zero, you may be reallyinsecure behind all that, but a
one zero indicates the'representing persona.
Exactly.
Okay.
All right.
So what's your birthday numbers?
That's kind of fun.
The number two, it's representedby two lines.
Um, is cooperation and balance.
That's what it means, you andme.
So it's when the one adds one,you get two.
(07:08):
And so it's all aboutcooperation and balance.
Now that is the goal.
But because those are reallydifficult things to balance, we
tend to fall into overcooperating or codependency when
the number two figures inpowerfully in our lives.
And being out of balance toenmeshment.
Yeah.
Over and under cooperation.
(07:29):
Exactly.
Got it.
And being out of balance withpeople.
The two, the number two reallyis seeking harmony between you
and me.
Imagine me and you.
I do.
I think about your day and night.
It's only right to think aboutthe one you love and hold them
tight, happy together.
That's a theme song of the two.
(07:49):
Now I'm a two, so thereforethat's what I do.
Um, and most of us have two,many people have two.
And we'll return, uh, lifechallenges in their numerology,
um, journey.
Okay.
Three.
Number three is represented bythe triangle in sacred geometry,
which is the, another, uh, wayto view, um, the numbers
(08:15):
themselves are in shapes.
Um, and this is all aboutemotional expression and
sensitivity.
So we have the number two plusone, we got an extra.
So now we can make the triangle.
And the triangle, uh, is very,very sacred.
There's the, the trinity mm-hmm.
Um, there's the tension of theopposites plus the one at the
(08:36):
top, which is holding Yes andno.
And then at the very top of thetriangle is the divine light
shining down on us, um, in itsnegative aspect, in its positive
, uh, aspect, I should sayemotional expression is
childlike wonder, creativity,joy, uh, emotional expression.
(08:58):
I mean, come on.
It's, you know, com comedy anddrama and all that.
But in the same way thatsensitivity can turn into
childishness, baby ishnesstantrum, throwing outta control,
temper crazy, making over,excessive, or withdrawal.
So when I see a three, uh,person, they tend to understand
(09:22):
exactly what I'm talking about.
Brenda (09:24):
Okay.
So the, i the, their goal wouldbe to become more confident and
confident, uh, more mature.
Deborah (09:32):
Yeah.
To use that sensitivity wiselymm-hmm.
And to learn how to emotionallyregulate.
Yeah.
Like one of my three clientssaid, you know, I got, I, my
emotions are like a sled on thetop of a slippery hill.
Mm.
It takes one tiny push and I'mat the bottom of the ice shoot.
Yeah.
And so I helped her with someskills.
Brenda (09:53):
She's no self-regulating.
Deborah (09:54):
She needed self self-regulation.
She's brilliant.
But she needed that becausethree is a really tough number
if you're facing it.
A lot of people have three.
Oh.
And anything that's exponentialwith a zero is 10 times
stronger.
Amplified amplifies.
You have a 30th birthday, youmay Yeah.
Brenda (10:10):
40 is 50.
Yeah.
Deborah (10:11):
That's a personality number.
But if it's your life pathnumber, which we will circle
back to, it's gonna be more,more of a thing.
So let's move on to four three.
You add one, you get a nicestable base.
It's a box.
Brenda (10:26):
Mm.
A square.
Deborah (10:27):
Square.
And that is stability andbalance.
So many people with a four lifepath, they actually have a sort
of boxy appearance, like asquare.
Interesting solidness to them.
Um, we all love stability andbalance.
The thing about the four, it'slike a Ford truck.
It's just reliable as hell.
So the number four has alwaysbeen about that.
(10:48):
And putting things in order,doing things step by step.
Don't skip steps.
Follow the simple instructions.
That's the number four.
Brenda (10:55):
So they can get stuck though, too.
Deborah (10:57):
Well, the problem with the four in, um, as a life path
challenge is there's this littleissue with a five that, that
enters in.
Uh, and it they can get stuck.
That's true.
But because it's a, it's achallenge instability.
Mm-hmm.
And being out of balance is achallenge.
You see, if you have a four lifepath number, it would seem like
(11:18):
you'd be so, like, you know,square, Hey man, it's hip to B
square.
But the problem is theopposite's gonna be your
challenge.
Mm-hmm.
So we always wanna look at itlike as the opposite instability
out balance.
I don't wanna do thingsaccording to Hoyle.
I, you know, I I,
Brenda (11:35):
So we can have phases in our life as well, going through,
um, spots that amplify or focuson, um, these aspects.
Deborah (11:44):
Yes.
So, okay.
When, when we're doing the mathon this, I'm gonna return to
this.
We're gonna see what our lifepath number is, and it's gonna
gonna be one of theseexponentially or doubled.
Okay.
And you'll be able to see alittle bit better.
Brenda (11:59):
Okay.
So five.
Deborah (12:00):
Now five is, um, really the human form.
Um, you know, like Da Vinci's,uh, five pointed.
Yeah.
Man.
Right.
A
Brenda (12:09):
Pente.
A pentacle.
Deborah (12:10):
Yes, exactly.
So it's, um, the freedom anddiscipline is the challenge of
the five.
Uh, five is the number that'slike the square with an added
leg.
A a table with another leg.
What are you gonna do with thatextra leg?
Well, that's your freedom anddiscipline, huh.
So freedom's just another wordfor nothing left to lose
(12:32):
And, um, what happens with fivepeople a lot is they, they're
usually scintillating fun, lovetheir freedom and discipline,
uh, is the other aspect.
It's, it's a balancing aspect.
And they tend to go one way orthe other too much.
They can be so disciplined,there's no fun.
They can, they can just, therearen't that many that are like
(12:54):
that I've noticed.
Um, the, the other one is thatthere's so much freedom that
nothing ever gets created forvery long.
Mm-hmm.
They love new ideas.
They love the innovative, theylove to travel.
They, you know, they just reallylove their freedom.
When I'm working with somebodywho has this as a life
challenge, it's always balancingthat so they don't get out of
balance with too muchdiscipline.
(13:15):
Not enough freedom, or too muchfreedom.
Not enough discipl discipline.
It's the seesaw.
Brenda (13:20):
So number six,
Deborah (13:22):
Number six is actually the philosopher stone.
It's made by putting a triangleinside of a triangle like the
star of David.
Okay.
Yeah.
Um, so you have a six pointedstar.
Mm-hmm.
goal.
And so when you look at themeaning of one triangle points
(13:47):
down at the earth, the othertriangle points up at the
heavens.
This has always been considereda very sacred, um, as events by
its use in the Judaic traditionsymbol for as above, so below.
Mm-hmm.
you have to look both up anddown to have good vision.
(14:09):
You have to see what's going onin the earth.
And you look up, you lookexpanded beyond your own
consciousness.
And this is a challenging onebecause the freedom, I mean, I'm
sorry, the vision can turn intoperfectionism.
Mm-hmm.
I'm a six life path.
I know about it.
Like, I wouldn't do the podcastcuz you know, I'll never be
perfect enough.
I have the vision of it and Ican get so many visions, but the
(14:33):
practical application can bedifficult.
So I have to be careful aboutperfectionism, which is a whole
I can fall into.
Brenda (14:39):
So the acceptance part is also comes from the stability
of under, like, if you can see,and, and you, you, you foresee,
you know that it, what's comingin the sense of, um, not so much
predestine, but you know, thatthere's a comfort zone.
There's a comfort level ofcompetence and, um, acceptance
(15:00):
involved.
Deborah (15:01):
It's gonna be a, it's gonna be what you strive for
with the six of life path.
There's, it's, uh, very karma.
The number six is connected tokarma.
Um, it's connected to family.
It's a pregnant number if youlook at it.
Brenda (15:15):
Got guy.
Deborah (15:15):
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's, so the people with sixlife paths tend to call
everybody brother, sister,family.
Okay.
You know?
And, um, the acceptance part iswe have to look at all angles.
So if something happensdifficult to a six life path,
it's the number that's morelikely to say what good can come
with this.
Right.
Because find the lesson.
Yeah.
Find the lesson because karma'sgonna hit us.
(15:35):
Right.
So it's the number of fatedestiny.
Cool.
Brenda (15:38):
Balancing seven,
Deborah (15:40):
Seven.
A beautiful number seven, theseven sacraments.
Um, seven seventh heavens.
Uh, the symbol for this is therainbow.
Brenda (15:49):
Oh.
Deborah (15:49):
It's the rainbow bridge and it's the number of rest.
Um, and the colors of the, ofthe rainbow.
Uh, it's beautiful.
I get chills when I'm thinkingabout it.
Uh, the number seven is allabout trust and openness.
After so much activity, we needa bridge.
And if you ever meet a sevenperson, they will tend to be
(16:10):
quiet and they'll tend to listenmore than they speak.
Um, and they will have a restfulnature.
It's also the card of faith.
Brenda (16:20):
So it seems like a sense of vibration and a sense of
peace.
I mean, when I see, when I see arainbow, it's just, I get
awestruck.
Right.
It's like, wow, this is righthere.
Yeah.
Yes.
And I don't often get to see itsince it's here, it's gonna go
real soon.
Pay attention.
Deborah (16:36):
Exactly.
So, so the seven, um, like theseventh day of the week, we
rest.
Ah,
Brenda (16:41):
Okay.
Deborah (16:42):
So this idea that the seven is all about rest, the
challenge for the seven personis trust and openness.
So very often when you meet aseven person, they will, they
keep their cards close to theirbest.
Mm-hmm.
you know, but then the next timeyou meet'em, it's like a
stranger sometimes.
Hmm.
You really have to win their,they're like their rabbit.
(17:03):
You have to really win theirtrust.
And it's not so easy, it'sdifficult for them.
Many of them can be passiveaggressive in the negative
mm-hmm.
It's their challenge.
Brenda (17:14):
So the openness, the opposite of openness in would be
a sense of closure.
Um, um, apprehension.
Deborah (17:21):
Mm-hmm.
Retreat.
Retreat.
I'm not, you know, I reallydon't wanna deal with people.
They're not trustworthy.
I'm gonna, I'm a rock, I'm anisland.
Yeah,
Brenda (17:27):
I know that one.
Deborah (17:29):
Yeah.
So, so we, I think we all havethese qualities.
If it's a life path challengefor you, it's gonna be much more
accentuated.
Yeah.
Okay.
So now we're gonna move forwardto the powerful eight.
Yeah.
Eight on its side is the symbolfor infinity in the Egyptian,
right?
Mm-hmm.
Brenda (17:45):
Deborah (17:46):
And it stands for power and abundance.
So if you can picture the eightright side up as two circles,
one on top of each other
Brenda (17:55):
Mm-hmm.
And I do see it that
Deborah (17:56):
Way.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So the top one in our culture inthe, in the west is power over
abundance.
Like, if I have a lot of power,I'll have a, so if you could
picture it like an hourglassmm-hmm.
And if I do a lot of thingspowerfully, then I'll get
abundance.
It'll, it'll the sands.
We'll go to the bottom.
Now in the mystic tradition, youflip
Brenda (18:14):
It.
Yeah.
Deborah (18:15):
And so you see the, the spiritual abundance as feeding
the earthly needs.
Brenda (18:21):
I recently had a, a client saying, I thought I was
gonna be expanding my outerpower to receive inner
abundance, but this whole yearhas transferred itself so that
I've worked, I've received moreinward power.
And that will achieve outwardabundance.
Deborah (18:39):
That's right.
Yeah.
That's right.
So, so when a person's workingthat correctly, like person
you're talking about, they findthat things, the power comes
through them as part of them,but it doesn't belong to them.
It's, it's universal energy
Brenda (18:53):
And it's the affect.
It's not, um, the, the abundancepart and the power.
Um, again, I I I, I always seethe sense of, um, ego versus
soul mm-hmm.
It's the ego getting stuck andthat what carries it through and
(19:13):
what allows the sense of growthis soul seeping in and taking
some burden off that outwardmanifestation of the ego.
And, um, so Right on.
Yeah.
In
Deborah (19:23):
Fact, when you were saying this, you were making the
I know,
Brenda (19:25):
Sign
Deborah (19:26):
With your hand.
Like you're just going like,here we go.
Everything serves.
And, um, it's a, it's like whenyou, we surrender and we put the
surrender on the top to theabundance of universal
intelligence that belongs to us.
And we are the, the container orthis we are the container.
(19:47):
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Brenda (19:53):
Good.
That's so interesting.
I used to have a time, a sandhourglass.
Yeah.
You know, and I would have thatas my Oh, session's over.
Deborah (20:01):
I love that.
I love it.
I I would love to use somethingjust like that.
So when we forget spirit, whatwe do in the negative, which
you'll see with a power person,is they use power tools.
Yeah.
Um, they may usemethamphetamines to go faster.
Right.
I see a lot of eight addicts.
Got it.
They, they override the, theirbody.
They're simulating, they'reusually beautiful, powerful
(20:22):
looking people.
But they burn out.
Yeah.
Because they have to use a lotof substances.
They tend to treat people mean.
Mm-hmm.
Um, they tend to confuse earthlygold for spiritual gold.
So the, their bumper sticker isthe one who dies with the most
toys wins.
Mm-hmm.
And that yet they come crashinginto a therapist's office saying
like, I've got five homes andfive wives and a whole pocket of
(20:45):
misery.
Can you help me?
Mm-hmm.
I'm this and that.
This is my ego.
It's so big.
And my toilet seat is gold.
And I, and I need somegrounding.
So eights when they hit crashand burn are incredible at
learning what the source of trueabundance is.
Which is, which is love.
Brenda (21:02):
Nice.
Deborah (21:03):
It's love.
Really nice.
It's always been love.
And it always will be
Brenda (21:06):
Beautiful.
Yeah.
So then what's left over fornine?
Deborah (21:08):
Number nine.
So nine is the penultimatenumber.
It's the number of integrity andwisdom.
Mm-hmm.
It's coming full circle.
So integris, so the, the symbolfor nine would be the circle.
Mm-hmm.
You can actually see that littlecircle with that line.
It's a rope.
(21:28):
It stands for a rope in Egyptian, um,
Brenda (21:31):
Orora Boris
Deborah (21:32):
Orora Boris correctly.
Yes.
Correct.
They snake eating its own tail.
Mm-hmm.
So the, um, the two words thatgo with the number nine are
integrity and wisdom.
Um, this means to embraceeverything that's happening to
you and learn from it.
So you can have wisdom.
(21:53):
The word wisdom is, uh, ancientold English word divided into
wisdom.
The vi was v i s mm-hmm.
Turned into a w that meansvision.
D o m is dominion.
So you put vision and dominion.
You, you then have knowledge.
So what I see, and I learn, Ican learn from mm-hmm.
(22:13):
So nine people in the positivetend to give everything away.
They're returning, uh, like thearbor to themselves.
They're the, they, they learnfrom their experiences.
They're wise beyond all measure.
And, um, in the negative, it'scrazy cuz this number has such a
(22:35):
high calling that quite a fewpeople don't ascend to it.
And they, what they do is theygo offline, there's nobody worse
in my caseload than a nine who'sgone offline because they worry
they can't get outta their ownway.
There's negative Nellies, thesky is falling.
They're the most worried,indecisive, lost souls who just
(22:56):
don't accomplish much ofanything.
They recognize integrity, butthey don't apply it.
They'll do drugs.
They'll be like, I'll just findthem wandering in the desert
uncle like, oh God, they gottabe a nine
Brenda (23:05):
So this is a, like a sidebar,but when I hear the aura Boris,
um, I used to do a lot of workwith Aura Boris.
And the idea is everyone talksabout how it's a circle and it
contains, but then to me it'slike, well that's a very clear
boundary.
So when you've created an ororaBoris, you have a very clear
(23:25):
boundary of not only what you'recontaining inside, but you're
also de uh, denoting what isoutside.
You're not letting in in yourbeautiful space.
All of that which is out there.
So this would tie in with anine, I would think.
Mm-hmm.
Yes.
Your own and, and containing thewisdom and having a definitive
(23:45):
circle.
Deborah (23:46):
Abso I love that.
I'm gonna add that to myknowledge base cuz that's spot
on.
In fact, quite a few nines giveso much away, they have nothing
left.
Right.
And you've gotta use some, insome wisdom to know what, you
know, don't just give thingsaway
Brenda (23:57):
And have boundaries.
Deborah (23:58):
And have boundaries.
Yeah.
Don't give it all away.
So the dark side is worry andaddiction.
Um, when they get on the trail,there's some of those beautiful
souls I've worked with gangmembers that in the past who I
knew when I knew they were anine, I knew I could work with
'em.
Brenda (24:12):
Hmm.
Deborah (24:12):
Okay.
They got out of integrity.
So do you wanna play with
Brenda (24:15):
Your Yeah, let's play, let's play, let's, I have, um, I
know my mother did mynumerology, she did all this
when I was younger, but I, I,um, you know, this one of my
resistance, I was like, that waswhat I did when I was a child.
So, um, I'd love to bereintroduced to the value
because I know it's integral asfar as understanding your own
(24:36):
life, client life, um, dealingin couples.
Um, and also I, I, uh, wouldthink that this would be useful
in an instrumental when you'restarting a project mm-hmm.
Deborah (24:49):
Oh absolutely.
For me it is.
Yeah.
Good.
Because my, my 26, um, my 24 6life path helps me a lot.
So, okay.
Brenda (24:56):
Um, yeah.
So what do you need from me?
Well,
Deborah (24:58):
I just need your birthday.
Okay.
And I want everybody in who'slistening take the time to get
to Pen, because you're gonna bedoing the math on yourself if
you wish.
It'll make it much more rich foryou.
So we're gonna, I'm gonna askBrenda is her birth month, day,
and year.
So, and we're gonna add thosenumbers up one at a time.
Okay.
Brenda (25:16):
So May
Deborah (25:17):
Mm-hmm.
Brenda (25:19):
That's a five is 15.
Mm-hmm.
Deborah (25:20):
Brenda (25:23):
So keep going five.
And then 10 and 11, that's
Deborah (25:27):
Two.
No, we're gonna separate themout.
Okay.
We're just gonna go five plusone plus five
Brenda (25:32):
Plus plus five
Deborah (25:33):
Plus one plus nine
Brenda (25:36):
Plus five.
Five
Deborah (25:37):
Plus five plus.
And when you add those numbersup, you get oh, 31
Brenda (25:42):
Deborah (25:43):
Okay.
Then you collapse that numberand you put a slash and you
collapse it into four.
So it'll be like a 31 over afour.
Like a like Yeah.
There you go.
So now
Brenda (25:55):
Why over a
Deborah (25:56):
Four?
Well, because you collapse thethree and the one and that's
your life path number.
It's four.
Yeah.
So what we do, if you canpicture this now, if everybody's
catching up, you can do thislater.
Cuz I'm gonna, for the interestof time, I'm gonna move ahead
with Brenda's stuff.
Um, and remember the book, uh,the Life You Were Born to Live
by Dan Millman is the mostexcellent resource on all of the
(26:18):
numerology books I have.
So what we're gonna look at isthat the life path number, the
three and the one in Brenda'slife path are like doors.
They're beautiful doors on onedoor.
They're, there's a three and theother door is a one.
And those two doors are going tohave to be worked
Numerologically in order forBrenda to get to her four.
Okay.
Okay.
(26:38):
So we're gonna start with thenumber three.
For Brenda, it's very, veryimportant that she addresses her
emotional expression andsensitivity.
Mm-hmm.
careful, would let her emotionsget the best of her.
And in the negative, we alwayswanna look at the negative.
When we're the weak weakestpoint.
The weakest point.
We want it and we wanna use, wealso wanna address the gift.
(27:02):
So if Brenda is using herartistic, which I know she does,
um, emotional nature.
Well, and not fritter away hertime in tantrums and
complaining, which would be achallenge for any three life
path.
Not to, not Brenda inparticular, but I'm using Brenda
as our Guinea pig today.
Yeah.
The three, uh, is trying tomaster their emotions, which is
(27:24):
a lifelong journey.
Brenda (27:26):
Yeah.
Is that the, uh, compensation isto dismiss emotion and go for
the rational.
Mm-hmm.
Deborah (27:36):
Yeah.
There's nothing wrong with that,it's just that, but it's a
compensation.
It's not Yeah.
It's a compensation.
It's, it's just, it's your path,you know?
Yeah.
So the one door is all aboutcreativity and confidence.
It opens again to her life path.
So in Brenda's life, it could bespeculated that she has the
potential for a lot ofcreativity.
She may have struggled withconfidence at times mm-hmm.
(27:56):
not being able to get out of ajust a, a creative block and not
feeling confident about herselfmight be the challenge.
I'm gonna turn it over to you,Brenda.
I can relate to that.
Brenda (28:09):
Well, I wasn't until I was 40 and living in a marriage
where I was comfortable beingcreative where I didn't have to
sequester myself away.
Sequester away.
Yeah.
To hide my creativity.
It was part of the, the, thehome.
It was ex almost expected to becreative mm-hmm.
(28:31):
And, um, so yeah, the idea ofhaving confidence through my
creativity, I, I had garneredconfidence through my business
acumen, but I hadn't reallyallowed the creativity to be
expressed until much, you know,in my midlife.
And it was a struggle.
And it's, um, it, it's a greatgift because it's a foundation
(28:51):
now that is unwavering.
Mm-hmm.
artistic creativity, but mywriting creativity mm-hmm.
papers and present, you know,it's just that it had to come
though.
Mm-hmm.
I mean, up until then I hadabsolutely like, nobody wants to
hear this.
Yeah.
Nobody
Deborah (29:10):
Needs this.
That's the one challenge.
Nobody want the de the littledemonn in the ear.
Nobody needs this.
You know, the critic.
Yeah.
Nobody wants it.
Nobody will do it.
So that's the one challenge, theconfidence you might see, you
know, somebody, you thinkthey're so confident, but if
they have the one challenge, youknow, that it was part of the
curriculum and I called it thedivine curriculum.
Mm-hmm.
began this whole conversationabout the interconnection of
(29:31):
numbers and life path.
Cool.
Um, but talked about this being,uh, a, the school in ancient
Greece, you know, this is aschool where you found out, out
your numerology, then you knewyour path.
Mm-hmm.
So for you, Brenda, you facedthe wine.
And I imagine like in my path,I, I bounce back, I get kicked
out the door quite a bit.
Like, then I have to look atwhat did I not do Right.
(29:53):
Okay.
And I know what my numbers are,so it helps me.
Got it.
Now we're gonna bust open thosedoors.
We're gonna actually open thesebeautiful, beautiful
Brenda (30:00):
Doors.
The carved wooden doors.
Deborah (30:02):
You can choose the kind of doors they are.
And we have the lovely numberfour waiting for Brenda and
Brenda (30:07):
That.
And we get the life path byadding those two numbers
Deborah (30:10):
Together.
Exact them all.
Okay.
Brenda (30:12):
Them all.
So, and everyone at home, if youhave their, their numbers and
they add'em together, and thenthe bottom part that's becomes
their life path.
Deborah (30:19):
That's your life path as like, as a Dan Millman is so
good at explaining.
Okay.
So for Brenda, her number isfour, and that's all about, as
you remember the box stabilityand balance mm-hmm.
Now if she's in the, I'm gonnatalk about the negative because
it'll help our listeners.
Stability and balance would bethe goal, but it would be a
(30:40):
challenge at some point inBrenda's life because she
wouldn't have chosen it.
I mean, the idea here is thatyou choose your curriculum to
master it while you're in soul,in form on the planet.
So Brenda May have experiencedtimes where she felt very
unstable.
Mm-hmm.
may have skipped steps to getthere.
She might have jumped over andignored building a solid
(31:03):
foundation.
That would be the norm.
Um, I have a four challenge inmy life, and like reading
instructions when I'm gonna putsomething together is a weak
point.
Mm-hmm.
I've learned to do it.
Just read the simpleinstructions.
Brenda (31:16):
Well, it does add a sense of, line up the dots on
continuity.
When I look at being a ballerinafor 14 years mm-hmm.
technique on horses.
Mm-hmm.
being in balance, um, as well asbalance, as far as security.
(31:45):
Um, I have a pension.
Like I, I absolutely have to ownland.
Like I cannot live in a condo oran apartment.
That's
Deborah (31:54):
So four of you,
Brenda (31:56):
It's just like, have to, you've gotta have the four
walls.
Deborah (31:58):
Yeah.
You see that and
Brenda (31:59):
The four, the four lines of the five acres mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
It's like if I, I could befalling apart as long as I have
that mm-hmm.
Deborah (32:11):
Yeah.
So that, that means that Brendasounds like she works her life
path.
Um, she's working her life path.
She's, she's using hercreativity.
Well, she's confident and she'screating a good structure for
herself in, in her, her project.
She's making sure she'sfollowing the simple
instructions.
She's carrying through with herprojects, she's getting them
(32:33):
done.
I know Brenda well enough to saythat is correct.
She's certainly not done becausewe're never, never done.
What I find is that when I'veachieved something, I just sign
up for the next thing and then Ihave to practice all over again,
uh, to, to apply those sameprinciples.
All my life path is a bitdifferent.
Mm-hmm.
(32:54):
you get emotionally upset andyou don't feel confident mm-hmm.
Brenda (33:00):
Well, I, I understand that when I am emotionally
imbalanced, I get physicallysick.
Deborah (33:06):
Yeah.
Brenda (33:07):
You know, it, it is that quick.
Yeah.
And if I'm going to repairmyself, um, go to art, um, you
know, create something.
Right.
Something, um, listen to poetry,it, it, it is a balancing act
for me in that sense.
Deborah (33:23):
We Yes.
And this is so important.
All of these are a balancing actactually.
I mean, they all have theirteeter-totter creativity and
confidence cooperation balance.
Yeah.
You can see there's a fulcrumhere.
Yeah.
Um, nobody stays perfectlybalanced all the time.
It's like a matter of a questionof
Brenda (33:40):
Balance.
I've often, um, Reached thepoint with myself and my clients
in that, um, we are all damagedwith something.
And that is a clear indicationas to what the signposts are.
That it's almost, um, a, um, atravel plan, uh, uh, like going
to the old AAA to get a travelplan, you know mm-hmm.
(34:02):
And so we're actually given theroadmap, if we act, if we look
at it yes.
As this is, these are the itemson the list to work through,
these are the areas ofimprovement.
This is our, these are our teststhat are specifically uniquely
our own.
And you don't have to search toofar to go outside of that to
find it.
So stop wasting time and get onwith it.
(34:25):
Deborah (34:25):
So true.
I mean, when I got a hold ofwhat this particular stuff
Brenda (34:30):
Yeah.
Deborah (34:31):
Um, it wasn't just mental.
I had a full body realizationthat I came up on a Rosetta
Stone.
Yeah.
Again, we'll go back to thebeginning of the story.
I'm in Barnes and Noble, I don'twant anything to do with this.
The voice says you'reinterested.
Now my body lights up like aChristmas tree.
I become extremely interested.
It benefits humanity.
(34:51):
It benefits me.
It makes me more loving.
It makes me able to accomplishwhat I came here to do.
So it's was given to peoplethroughout all, I've looked up
it up, it was found in ancientEgypt, in Greece, in, in, in
Israel, Egypt, and all theseIndia.
It, there's not a culture that,this was not the, the secret
(35:12):
handshake.
Brenda (35:13):
Well, I love our secret handshake
glad that we've had a show onthis.
And the beginning of the year,we first went through the year
The Rabbit, and now we're movinginto numerology.
Perfect.
And, uh, we're gonna go look atrepair.
Yay.
So thank you so much.
I My pleasure.
I I'm going to, um, take mynotes and, um, and apply them.
Yeah.
Deborah (35:33):
Yay.
Yay.
Okay.
Tell we meet again.
Thank
Brenda (35:35):
You.
All right, bye.
Announcer (35:42):
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