Life Beyond Death: The Zach's House Story

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What if the death of a loved one isn't the end of your relationship, but rather the beginning of something profoundly different? Martin and Krista Anderton discovered this truth in the most heart-wrenching way when their 20-year-old son Zach died in a car accident. Just when they thought their world had ended, something miraculous happened on the third day—they found Zach, or more accurately, he found them.

Their journey from devastation to connection unfolds with stunning moments that defy conventional explanation. Fingerprints appearing on screens when no one is touching them. Messages arriving at exactly the right moment. A camper van purchase guided by their son from beyond, with costs matching his unknown life insurance policy down to the last few dollars. These aren't coincidences, but evidence of what happens when we open ourselves to a deeper understanding of consciousness.

What makes this conversation special is Martin and Krista's background—they were self-described "ultra-competitive, material-focused people" before their loss, not spiritual seekers. Their transformation came through direct experience, not belief. "We don't believe, we know," Martin emphasizes, highlighting the distinction that changed everything for them. This knowing led them to create Zach's House, a gathering place providing support for bereaved people through mindfulness, health and well-being, consciousness, and energy healing.

Through their story, we explore how grief itself—which they describe as "love on"—can actually heighten our connection rather than block it. We discover how each person connects differently with loved ones who have passed, whether through meditation, signs, spontaneous communications, or simply remaining open. Most importantly, we learn that relationships don't end with physical death; they transform into something new that can be even more expansive.

Whether you're navigating grief, curious about consciousness beyond the physical, or simply drawn to stories of extraordinary human resilience, this conversation will leave you questioning the boundaries you thought existed between life and death. As Krista beautifully puts it, "Hope equals knowing"—knowing that we are never truly separated from those we love.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 2 (00:18):
Welcome to Soul Sisteries, full of so much hope
as we talked about connectednessand the knowing that love never
dies and that our loved onesare still with us even after
they transition out of thisphysical world.

Speaker 1 (00:34):
Just as we know, we discovered that their beautiful
Zach, who transitioned six yearsago, is here with them now is
here with us as we have thisconversation.
What I love about these two,and what I think is going to
resonate with so well witheverybody, is they are
incredibly down to earth, veryreal, so identifiable, and, gosh

(00:56):
, I can't wait for everyone tohear their story and their
journey.
It's just so.
It's a wonderful and justinspiring thing.

Speaker 2 (01:06):
Yep, let's get to it.
We are here today with Martinand Krista Anderton, the
founders of Zach's House, agathering place that provides
support for bereaved people.
It focuses on four pillars ofsupport mindfulness, health and

(01:27):
well-being, consciousness andenergy healing.
While the organization startedin the UK, it has since provided
support and education aroundthe globe.
To share a bit, their storywith Saks House began on April
17th 2019, the day their onlychild passed away at just 20
years old following a caraccident.

(01:49):
Their world completely crumbledthat day, and they had no idea
how they would get through thisso-called life.
The first couple of days wereabsolute agony, and they were
living in what they consideredhell on earth.
On the third day, though,something miraculous happened
they found Zach, or rather, hefound them.
He has continued to show them,through signs and

(02:09):
synchronicities, that we neverdie and he's still right by
their side, helping them to growand become who they set out to
be and carry on doing what theyagreed to do in their soul plan.
They understand how deep grieffeels and what it is like to
have someone you love so dearlytransition before you.
They also now know that thereis a whole other world out there

(02:32):
that is sometimes confusing andhard to explain, but as they
have learned more about thespiritual realm and where Zach
is, they have been able to keeptheir relationship alive and
continue to communicate with him.
He is an amazing soul and haschanged the lives of so many
while he was here physically,and he continues to do so in
spirit.

(02:53):
Just a year later, following myown deep losses, I found Zach,
which is a story for another day, but he led me to Zach's house
and to Martin and Krista.
Martin says that he finds hopethrough direct connection and
Krista throughinterconnectedness, and we are
certainly going to let them talkabout that while we're here
today.
And it's not lost on Donna andI that today is the anniversary

(03:18):
of Zach's transition six yearsago.
So welcome Martin and Krista,and we are so happy that you
agreed to spend some of your daywith us.

Speaker 1 (03:27):
And welcome Zach very much here as well.
Absolutely.

Speaker 3 (03:34):
Thank you for having us.

Speaker 4 (03:35):
Thank you for having all of us, and Zach thanks you
too.

Speaker 2 (03:39):
Good good, good.
So I would love if you wouldn'tjust kind of share.
I know I shared kind of areally small background of
Zach's house, but I would loveto have you share the journey of
what got you to where you arehere today, in 2025.

Speaker 4 (04:00):
Do you want me to?

Speaker 2 (04:01):
go first.
Yeah, go for it.

Speaker 4 (04:02):
Okay, so you mentioned that the first two
days were living hell.
Everybody understands that.
The third day that we, we, wereconnected with Zach, if you
like.
Maybe that's where we should,we should probably start.
So the first couple of daysundescribbable.

(04:23):
But immediately Krista wantedto go to the crash site and she
was insistent to do this.
I didn't want to do that.

Speaker 3 (04:33):
I didn't want to go.
Let me throw this in there.
I didn't want to go.
I felt compelled and I didn'tunderstand at that time why I
was so adamant.
And Zach was telling me but Ididn't realize at the time he
was telling me get to the crashsite.
You need to get to the crashsite.
I didn't want to go, but Ineeded to go and we needed to go

(04:57):
.
No, you didn't, andrew.

Speaker 4 (05:00):
So the reason that we didn't want to go was because
we're a family from motorsportand so Zach was a professional
driver and throughout all of ourlives we've been involved with
motorsport, which means we'veseen lots of accidents.
And so the reason that wedidn't want to go to the crash

(05:22):
site was because it wouldn'ttake much for us to reconstruct
that in our minds because theresistance to us going probably.
But we did, as Krista said, andas soon as we got out of the
car we went our separate ways.

Speaker 3 (05:37):
we were very quiet and we milled around and my mom
was here as well, so my motherover, so she, so there was the
three of us.
So that's important becausethere's three people that went
and we all went separate ways.

Speaker 4 (05:52):
It was a very personal time.

Speaker 3 (05:54):
I suppose yeah.

Speaker 4 (05:57):
And probably 20 minutes later, we reconvened at
the car and as we reconvened atthe car, all three of us almost
simultaneously said sax with us,right, and we could feel it.
Yeah, so, if you, if you pausethat for a second, um, that was
the start of our journey.
Really, we were not spiritualpeople before that, right, we

(06:21):
were ultra competitive, um, verymaterial, focused, pretty
typical people I suppose.
But we were ultra competitive,um, and so this yeah and so this
was this, this us saying zach'swithers was very alien to us,
but it was immediate.
So we got in in the car andZach came home with us.

(06:45):
So those first two days when itwas this living hell, people
would come and visit us andeverybody's experienced that
Tell me about the car you forgotabout.

Speaker 3 (06:56):
I will.

Speaker 4 (06:59):
And it was like icy cold.
The house was like ice, it wasdark and depressing and it was
awful and we could sense thatand our house has never been
that way, no when physicallyhere right since came over.

Speaker 3 (07:14):
It was.
It's just a lovely energy inthis house and it has been,
except for those two days yeahyeah, it was awful, awful, awful
, and it wasn't just the griefspeaking right it was he is.
He wasn't here yeah, right hewas waiting, I think, but yeah,
he just wasn't.
It was, it was only for twodays.

Speaker 4 (07:34):
It was like the house was in mourning as well right,
yeah, the house has, um, has aconsciousness to it.
Yeah, and the house was, was inmourning.
It says it's.
It's as simple as that.
Zach comes home three dayslater and the house is
immediately back to its old self, back to being alive again yeah

(07:57):
, but commented on it when they,his friends, came over those
back to normal again.

Speaker 3 (08:02):
Yeah, you know, zach's not here, like you know,
but we knew he was.
Well right, he's here.
Yes, why?

Speaker 4 (08:11):
yeah, yeah, you know so that there was the first hint
that was, that was the, theember, if you like, just to get
us, get us going on spark.
Uh, what chris wanted me tomention, was really I love this
bit we're back.
I know we're ploughing backwardsand forwards, but you'll see
why.
So when we were getting intothe car at the crash site now,
the car is special, I won't gointo the details of that, but

(08:33):
it's special and it has aparticular mode on it which is
called race mode.
Remember, we come frommotorsport.
This mode cannot be set andthen you get out of the car and
you get back in and it's stillin this mode.
It reverts back to normal.
So you have to make amechanical movement to put it
back into this mode, right?
So when we got in the car afterwe'd been at the crash site and

(08:58):
started the car, it started inthat, that race mode can't be
done.
Cannot mechanically be done, butit did.

Speaker 3 (09:06):
Yeah, we called the manufacturer.

Speaker 4 (09:07):
Called the manufacturer a few weeks later
just to figure out if there was,and they're like no, no, you're
mistaken, it can't be done.

Speaker 3 (09:14):
Yeah, that's it.
It started off.
No, we're not mistaken, rightyeah?

Speaker 4 (09:19):
So all of us.
So, as soon as we went to thecrash site, from that moment on,
zach has been leading us andcontinues to do so.
That's how we see it.
So we see in normal life youwould say that you know the
parent is purpose is to helptheir, their kids, develop.

(09:46):
Well, we think it's the reverse,not in our situation you know
and actually, if you, if youreflect on it, there's it
doesn't work that way.
We, we have the perception that, um, you know, as parents, we
are developing our kids but, onreflection, even if Zach hadn't
gone home, and now we understand, zach is the leader and the

(10:09):
parent.
Really, you know, we can seethat in all of our lives, where
it's actually the actions thatour kids do that develops us.
Yes, yes, we see that in thephysical and now we see it in
spades with zach and not needinga physical body yeah, for sure,

(10:30):
for sure.

Speaker 2 (10:31):
So, and don, I know you're going to jump in too, but
so day three, day three,there's this connection with
zach.
He so I, I know not, but I'mgoing to say physically he
physically went home with youand I know he's been with you
since.
I know if you go on a trip he'swith you.

(10:52):
I know if you go to the trackhe's with you.
I know when you're at home he'swith you.
What happened between day threeand again?
I met you just a year later,when Zach's house was up and
running and already providingsupport to so many people.
What happened in that year tohave you create this place that

(11:12):
really provides hope andstrength for so many people?

Speaker 3 (11:18):
I'd say it's what happened to us.
We thought we have to sharethis because there's got to be
others out there who have eitherexperienced similar situations
or have done it, didn't knowwhat, what to do, didn't know
how to to talk about it, whereto go, you know, because you
can't really well, you can speakabout it in the, in the general

(11:41):
public and population.
It is getting better, yes, butit's still very hard at lots of
places.
So we thought we need a place.
It's like a hub for anyone.
You know, any groups.
We just wanted to bringeveryone together and connect
people.
You know, not necessarilyzach's house, but different

(12:04):
places, different people,bringing everyone together and
and helping people.
While we're here along the way,I've got one story that I would
love to share and we we bothknow this lady.
I won't mention her, but shewas medium and she right after

(12:26):
Zach passed, I thought I said toMartin we need her to come over
and come to the house, and I'mgoing to bring his friends over
because they need to experiencethis, they need to know, or I
hope that they will know.
I didn't want to force it onhim hope that they would
understand and know Zach isstill here and all their loved

(12:49):
ones were still here.
Yeah, so she came over andthere was about 40 45 of his
friends that came there and weset up the room downstairs with
all the chairs look like awedding.

Speaker 4 (13:02):
It did look like a wedding.

Speaker 3 (13:04):
Yeah, and just prior to this, we brought zach's race
car home and it's literally,it's literally on the wall here
five feet away from his right.
Yes, a huge race car.
Yeah, it's bolted, it's up onthe wall, and so we did that
because we thought that that cannever go anywhere.
It wouldn't we need it, so weput it on the wall and then we

(13:32):
had his race helmet made into acake, because this was for his
birthday.
I just remembered it wasOctober 17th and so we had a
birthday cake made out of hisrace helmet.
It looked identical to his racehelmet.
Those were the very importantpoints.
So she comes in and she startsreading and doing amazing with

(13:53):
the kids and brings not justZach but you know, one of the
guy's grandparents through.
It was great and he was kind ofin shock because I don't think
a lot of these guys, because alot of them are race drivers and
they really were like nah, nah,but you can't deny it when
someone comes through and startscountry western dancing, your

(14:15):
granddad, and he's like, oh myGod, I can't believe that.
And then Zach and a lot ofothers came through, which was
it was a really fun night.
It was the next night we had.
We always have people in thehouse with us, especially in the
beginning.
Martin, myself and one ofZach's friends girlfriends was

(14:36):
sitting next to me.
We were all down in one of therooms.
Martin was in the corner in achair.
I was next to him on the couchand then Zach's girlfriend
friend's girlfriend was next tome on the couch.
I had his laptop on my lap andfor me, I need to hear and see

(15:01):
Zach.
I always did, from the time hepassed.
I know people have a hard timewith that and that's because we
all agree differently, but Ineeded to hear him and I needed
to see him.
So I looked all the time.
I was looking at his photos.
This was his um computer andit's a touch screen and when you
touch the screen with yourfinger, you see the fingerprint.
Yeah, so it was sitting on mylap and I was scrolling through

(15:23):
his photos and it was on hisrace car and I it just stopped.
It was stopped there and Istarted talking to Charlotte and
Martin and we were justchatting and all of a sudden a
fingerprint on the screen wentfrom one to two, two to four,

(15:45):
and none of us were like oh, oh,my god, do you see this, do you
see this?
And none of us have our phonesdon't think about you know
because you didn't think, younever think gonna happen.
Why now I do, but I didn't then?

Speaker 4 (16:00):
so we.

Speaker 3 (16:01):
We didn't want to move because I thought, oh my
gosh, what's going on?
So, two, two, zach kepttouching the screen.
You could see where he wastouching it and he made his
image of his race car huge,across the whole screen in large
depth, and I was like oh my God.
And then touched it again andshrunk it back to normal size.

(16:26):
Now, if you hadn't seen thisstuff you would not believe it,
but we all three saw it.
That's key, yes.
And then, when it was normalsize, one finger you can see the
one finger on the screentouching it starts scrolling
through the pictures.
These pictures start movinguntil he got to his race helmet,
did the same thing with hisrace helmet and made it enlarged

(16:51):
it, shrunk it back down.
All the while.
We're seeing his fingerprints,so you can see him touching.
Oh my gosh, he's touching thescreen.
He's right here, no doubtScrolled right back, he's no
doubt scrolled right back yeah,no doubt scrolled right back the
picture of his race car andleft it.
Wow, the next day after we hadthe meeting yes party for his

(17:16):
birthday, had the cake made ofhis helmet and just put the race
on the wall yeah what he knewand was letting us know, know
about the cake race car here,and I'm going to show you I'm
right here by doing thisabsolutely.

Speaker 1 (17:34):
I mean bravo, zach, and it's, it's glorious and
beautiful and wonderful.
Here's the thing that I want toask you, because this is the,
this is the challenge for somany, and you know that I live
in this world as well as you doand I understand all that you're
talking about.
But the challenge that so manycome up against, despite this

(17:57):
incontrovertible evidence, Imean, it is just so clear and
apparent to us, but yet so manywill still take that and doubt,
doubt themselves.
It's coincidence, it's whatever, whatever it is.
And of course, then there's thewhole realm of individuals who
find something dark in all ofthat, which God bless but yeah,

(18:19):
exactly, we always say that'stheir journey.
That's their journey, exactly.
So what do you think it isabout you?
What is it that allowed you, orwhat activity of you allowed
you, to embrace and say yes, andagree and accept that all of
this is so?
I mean, I get it and of courseit's so, but I'd love you to

(18:43):
talk a little on that.

Speaker 4 (18:45):
So I'll be controversial now.
So I think religion plays itsplace.
And I think religion createsfaith and that faith is supposed
to see you through the hardtimes because you're going to
believe, you're going to trustand it's that trust and belief

(19:06):
that's the hug, right?
Well, that's all been achievedby somebody telling you that,
either verbally, or you've readthe book, but it is all indirect
and I'm not dismissing it inany way, but that wasn't enough
for us.
Right, right and Zach knew thatand I'm not dismissing it in
any way, but that wasn't enoughfor us, right, right, and Zach

(19:26):
knew that.
So we needed to be able toexperience things, for us to,
quite frankly, remain here,right, we needed that.

Speaker 3 (19:43):
Somebody saying he's fine, just didn't cut it the
thing that used to not irritatethis isn't the right word but
the thing that used to to towind.
That rubbed me the wrong way.
Oh, he's in heaven and I'm likeheaven's right here.
Oh bless him.

(20:04):
Or oh bless you.
And I just thought, well, ohbless you Because you don't know
.

Speaker 1 (20:09):
Bless you yeah.

Speaker 3 (20:12):
And I'll send you love and everything else, but
it's you know you don't know,here's another one.

Speaker 4 (20:19):
Rest in peace.

Speaker 3 (20:20):
Yeah, that one.

Speaker 4 (20:21):
Why is he resting?

Speaker 3 (20:23):
They are resting.

Speaker 1 (20:25):
We know our boys are so not resting.

Speaker 2 (20:30):
Everything I know about zach he doesn't rest, I
don't know if that's avocabulary you see so.

Speaker 4 (20:36):
So the concept is alien, the concept doesn't sit
well it's like well, why wouldhe need to rest?
I don't understand not restingright so when?

Speaker 3 (20:45):
let us rest.

Speaker 4 (20:48):
No.
When you start to get thosepersonal connections and you
acknowledge them, thatstrengthens them.
Yes, strengthening of themmakes you become more aware, and
the more you become aware, theeasier it is to connect.
And all of a sudden you have anew relationship.
Right, it's not therelationship you had before,

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it's a new relationship and it's, quite frankly, it's fuller.

Speaker 2 (21:15):
Yes.

Speaker 4 (21:16):
Because you're able to connect on different levels
than you could connect before.
Yes, really, all you had wasyour actions, um, be those
verbal or anything else.
That's how we communicate inthe physical.
We're very limited in how wecan communicate here, whereas
when you don't need that and youlearn how to expand that, your

(21:38):
communication, that thebandwidth grows significantly
yeah, and you communicate betterthat's, yeah, it is beautiful
and profound.

Speaker 1 (21:46):
Thank you for all that.
Absolutely to that.
I remember, um, you know, kennyhad not been, uh, gone long and
um, just a few months afterzach's or stories coincide I did
have this history of I heardthings, I saw things and what,

(22:09):
but I?
The difference for me postKenny was I learned to be
intentional about it.
I wasn't before that time, buteven so, even having that, I
remember anguishing Kenny hadnot been gone and long and just
anguishing.
Honey, honey, I need I justlike I need to.
I need to know, I need to knowthat you are here.

(22:31):
I just need to know that youare here.
And within moments, he I'm notdoing anything with my phone, my
hands are not on my phonethere's a my phone popped up an
old text message of his in whichhe said literally yes, I'm here
, I love you, yeah, yeah,exactly that, exactly to what

(22:53):
you're speaking on, like, and itwas like, from that moment,
that's right.
Yeah, that's right, that'sright.

Speaker 3 (22:59):
Okay, let's go let's beautiful it's beautiful, yeah
yeah, I mean, it's sorry no, goahead it's still for a lot of
people and for all of us, it'sstill, even though we
categorically know Icategorically know no more.
Yeah, we, we don't die, ourphysical bodies go, but they're

(23:21):
just the vessels that carry us.
Yes, yeah, we still go on andwe're just the same.

Speaker 2 (23:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (23:32):
But it's still really difficult.
So I don't want people to thinkthat we don't still grieve.
Of course we do in our own ways.
Yeah, but I still miss thephysical.
Oh my God, I miss that so ways.
Yeah, I still miss the physical.
Oh my God, I miss that so bad.
Yes, some days, no matter howmuch my vibration is higher or

(23:53):
how much I cry, and we domeditations and sound healing
and we have more chats, and youstill are going to go through
that.
Yeah, but knowing for me thatzach is still right here, that's
what gets me through every daybreathe every day.

Speaker 4 (24:12):
Yeah, if that that might help someone else I don't
know yeah I think the um, the,the reality that when you don't
have a physical body, you canstill communicate in this
reality.
Yeah, makes you betterchallenge sometimes what this

(24:34):
reality is yeah because if weperceive that this physical
reality requires things in thephysical to be present, if you
like, but then you prove thatyou don't need a physical body
to be present in this physical,rather than, what's this all

(24:56):
about?
yeah you know, you start to askthese really deep questions, and
I'll speak for myself I wasn'ta particularly deep person
before that went home prettyshallow and superficial but you
know that that's where theeducation comes, that's that's
where him being the leader forus comes home, we think of

(25:17):
things on a completely differentlevel.

Speaker 3 (25:19):
We talked about stuff and I used to joke with him in
the kitchen because I had a foodbusiness, so he used to be able
to work with me sometimes whenhe wasn't racing or working on
the car or whatever it was doing.
I remember I stood there onetime and I said Zach, I'm
laughing because I was soimmature, he was so much more

(25:42):
mature than I ever was and wewere laughing and I said you
should be the dad.
And I remember saying, zach,you should be the dad, you're so
much more mature.
And he would just laugh His armaround me and, looking back on
that, he was the dad.

Speaker 2 (25:58):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So much to pass on to you both.
And I know for myself.
I was kind of introduced toZach in a class I was taking
with a medium to learn how toconnect with both Kenny and my
partner, you know.
And Zach showed up and Iremember being like, well, who

(26:18):
is this Zach kid?
I have a Zach, a nephew who'salive in this world, but I
didn't know who this kid wasthat was showing up hanging out
with David and Kenny and Ithought what is going on?
And that's where I met Zach,Right, yes, and the very next
week was when somebody told meabout you guys and this Zach's

(26:39):
house and maybe I need to lookup Zach's house and I went oh,
this is exactly why Zach wascoming to me, because I was
supposed to find you somehow.
So part of my journey, and Iknow it's where you both have
found hope.
Martin, you said, throughdirect connection and your
personal experience, Krista,through the interconnectedness

(26:59):
and the consciousness, thatyou're all one, that we're all
one.
So I would love to hear each ofyou I know it's a little
different for each of you Iwould love to hear you speak
about that a little bit how youfind hope in that connectedness.

Speaker 4 (27:16):
I'll give you a story .
I'll make it quick, that's mything.

Speaker 2 (27:19):
I like your stories, Martin.

Speaker 3 (27:21):
I like the stories All right, but you guys won't
know this.
But there's a standing joke inZach's house.
On a Friday night we have achat, especially between a
couple of the gals, the membersthat are in there.
We now go Zach, martin, sorry,zach, zach's laughing.
Martin always says Zach'slaughing.
Martin always says I'll make itquick.
His stories are never veryquick.

Speaker 4 (27:43):
I'll do my best.
I'll do my best to make itbrief.

Speaker 2 (27:45):
Right.

Speaker 4 (27:46):
So it's.
I'm going to roll the clockback now.
I want to say it's day four.
I think it was day four or dayfive after Zach had gone home or
didn't actually go anywhere.
That after Zach had gone homeor didn't actually go anywhere,
and a friend of his it's aconvoluted thing, this, but a
friend of his who had been asoldier in Afghanistan, who got

(28:08):
blown up and had terrible PTSDand just a horrendous story
pulls through our gates in hisnew camper van and knocks on the
door and says I want to showyou my camper van.
This was his way of dealing withit for himself and this was his

(28:31):
way of, you know, softening itfor us.
I suppose the last thing Iwanted to do was go look at this
camper van.
I couldn't care less about acamper van, right, but he was
insistent.
So a friend of mine, myself andthis guy walked out to have a
look at his camper van, okay,and the two of them were looking

(28:55):
at it and I was there, just azombie, because we are a zombie
at that point right of them werelooking at it and I was there
just a zombie, because we are azombie at that point, right.
Um, and all of a sudden I heard, zach, you need one of these,
right, and it was in my head andI thought, oh, my god, so this
is what grief feels like.
This is the next stage, becauseI'm trying to figure this out
and I am going nuts, because Ican actually hear him in my head

(29:18):
, right, I could hear him in myhead louder than I could hear
these two guys with physicalbodies yeah, and actually I lost
the train of the conversationbecause that was in my ear
talking you need one of these,your mom needs to go away on the
weekends, you need one of these, and blah, blah, blah which is
how Zach

Speaker 3 (29:35):
is he will not, he won't, he won't stop until yeah
until you listen.

Speaker 4 (29:44):
Yeah, you gotta listen, so a few minutes later
we are going back in the houseand as we walk in the house, I
hear him say I'll buy you one,right.
And I in my mind I said, zach,you can't buy me one, you're
dead.
And it was a strange, surrealthing, right.

(30:06):
I couldn't understand what wasgoing on, but that was it right.
An hour or two later, the mailcomes.
It's weird how automatic youstill become when you're going
through this stuff.
And the mail came and Kristagot the mail mail right and she
opened something that was reallydistressing and handed it to me
, right yeah, I couldn't.
I was like I can't deal withthis right you need to take it

(30:27):
two hours after he said he wasgoing to buy the van.
Yeah, two hours right, and it'sa letter from his employer and
he's very upset that, you know.
Uh, they awful for Zach, butyou know Zach had a life
insurance policy with work andthey needed our information to
be able to, you know, cover itin goosebumps.

Speaker 3 (30:50):
Yeah, we didn't have a life insurance policy.
Didn't know, Never evenanswered our heads.
And when I read it I'm likethat's because I didn't know
about the van story.
At this time I'm crying andthinking I don't want this money
?

Speaker 4 (31:04):
no, pointless, it's just number on a piece of paper.

Speaker 3 (31:06):
What, yeah, I don't know you take it yeah yeah then
he told me the story and then,oh my gosh.

Speaker 4 (31:17):
Bobby, I need to think the story's over, but it's
not right so we didn't knowanything about these camper vans
.
So a week or two later, stillin a daze, you've got to do
something zach wanted.

Speaker 3 (31:29):
Sorry, martin no, go ahead he wanted a camper van
when he was here physically.
Martin knew that when we usedto go to the racetrack stuff we
at that point because we spenteverything we had on his racing.
We couldn't afford a race acamper van so we bought every
cent, went into his racing.
So he never got a camper vanphysically when he was here he's

(31:53):
got one now, but anyway, that'sbesides but sorry, martin so we
start this quest of getting acamper van.

Speaker 4 (32:01):
We didn't know anything about it and so we went
to all these places.
It turns out there is a myriadof choices and features on a
camper van I hadn't got a clue.
So we're driving around to allthese different places over the
next few weeks and we didn'tknow, not that it mattered, but

(32:21):
we didn't know what the value ofthat was.
It wouldn't have mattered if itwas a penny right that we would
have bought a camper van,because that's what we had to do
, right, important.
We didn't know the value of itand the reason for that is
because, um, there was a bit ofuh, on a side note, there was a
little bit of a on a side note,there was a little bit of a
struggle with the employerbecause his, his death

(32:42):
certificate had his job but alsoprofessional race driver and
that must've been a bit of achallenge for the insurance.
So this is longer right andthere's.
It's important to say thatbecause we're fishing around
trying to find this camper van,anyway, one of these trips out,

(33:02):
camper van anyway, um, one ofthese trips out, we finish up
going a five hour drive to thesame place that this, this jason
, the guy that had his campervan abroad.
So we finish up going to this,the same location, five hours
away, uh, to have a look at whattheir camper vans were like,
right, and on that particularoccasion, his sister ella, who
is incredibly close to Zach, waswith us on the trip and at this

(33:23):
point, yeah very, very closeright.
And now that we get there andElla's like hey, has Zach said
anything?

Speaker 3 (33:30):
because now we know and I'm like, no, no, and we at
this point, ella and I, we wereall looking and for me and a
baby, blue and white one, andI'm like, oh, I love this, I
love this one, but I'm like Zachwouldn't have this.

Speaker 4 (33:46):
And then so I walk away and as I walk away from
from the girls and the van amoment later, it's just like
work.
I see him again and he's likehey, it's the red one two rows
back.
Hmm, this place is packed.
There must be 60, 70 of thesecamper vans.
They all look the same andthey're all next to each other,
really close together, rightpacked into this very small

(34:08):
space so you can't see a red one.
They're all multi-colors but nored.
I walk two rows back and oneover and there's a red one.
It's the only red one, right.
So as I walk towards the redone, um, the sales guy comes
over, right.
So, oh, we don't get many ofthese, and it's a bit unusual
inside.
It's just like a race carinside.
So we bought it easiest salehas ever.

(34:32):
Got right, got all thesefeatures, wouldn't know,
wouldn't know what they areanyway, right?
No?
So we go in to do the paperworkright, and there it's a little
office and there's two chairs infront of his desk and there's
three of us.
So Krista and I don't want tosit down, and Ella sits down on

(34:53):
one of these chairs and we'relooking, um, so we're viewing
the room in, we're viewing fromthe doorway into this room, um,
and the, the sales guy, isfacing ella and and facing us
and waiting in the background,and then he's there sitting next
to her.
He's sitting there.

(35:14):
He's made of millions of littledots is the best way to
describe it.
The best way I could describe itwould be like static on an old
TV.

Speaker 2 (35:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (35:24):
And he's got his arm, he's got one leg and half his
body on the chair and the otherleg and the other half of his
body are in the space betweenthe two chairs and he's got his
arm across the back of her chairand he's there.

Speaker 3 (35:39):
Wow.

Speaker 4 (35:40):
So I called to bought the pieces well, I didn't right
yeah, we have to go back forthe van a couple of weeks later.
Long story.
By this point we now know whatthe value of his settlement of
his thing is right, which againis important, but it is for the
story.
So we go back and it's a coupleof thousand less.

(36:03):
Excuse me, his settlement's acouple of thousand more than the
price of the van.
Okay.
And then the guy goes do youneed a bit of this?
And we're like, yeah, we needall that, whatever that is.
So all of a sudden he adds thaton and now we're very close to
his figure and the deal isfinished.
And so we get in the van and heturned on, goes I'm so sorry, I

(36:26):
can't believe it.
There's no fuel in it.
So if you give us a little bit,we'll.
We'll go put some fuel in.
I'm like it doesn't matter,we'll just go down the road and
gas it up.
So we do that, and after we putthe fuel in, there's about five
pounds left from what the valueof his second was.

(36:46):
So he, he know exactly new sohow is that possible, right?
how can that be?
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (36:55):
yeah, there is no coincidence.
There's nothing in yes.
Yes.

Speaker 3 (36:59):
I don't believe in coincidence.

Speaker 4 (37:00):
There isn't.

Speaker 3 (37:01):
No, you know.

Speaker 4 (37:02):
So that's what started Zach's house.
Really.
That was it was.
That was really it.
It was the absoluteconfirmation that there can't be
coincidences.
We don't understand what'sgoing on, but the reason that we
are OK is because we nowcomplete.
We don't believe, we know, yeah.
So we've got to believe.

(37:22):
We haven't got a faith, we'vegot to know, and it's the
knowing, that's the differenceso let, and it is.

Speaker 1 (37:28):
It is, it's the knowing and I know in the work
that I do as a medium, that's it.
It's to give, it's to givepeople that validation, that
knowing to move from the hope,the belief, to the knowing.
It changes everything in thisjourney, doesn't it?
So what would you say to?
You know the number ofindividuals who say and you

(37:52):
spoke on this a little bitearlier, I'll say that but what
would you say to the number ofindividuals who say well know, I
don't see my son sitting in thechair there.
I don't have, I don't have.
This isn't true for me, so whyyou and not me?
What do you?
have anything to say to that?

Speaker 3 (38:11):
yeah, I was gonna say we have a lot of that in our
friday night.
Yeah, because you know, we allget different things, I think,
for sorry, what I?
I think we all grievedifferently.
Yes, and we all get the signs.

(38:32):
Yeah, I just think sometimes wedon't maybe aren't aware of it,
because either we're in suchdeep grief, but that doesn't
mean the signs aren't there.
Yeah, I just think sometimes Ispeak for myself as well.
Yeah miss them because we justIs so strong sometimes.

Speaker 1 (38:53):
Yes.

Speaker 3 (38:55):
Sometimes, when we're in such deep grief, we often
get the signs, even more sobecause I think and we have this
chat as well we're closer tothem in such deep grief, because
grief is just love on.
So the more you grieve, themore you've loved and so they
feel that love even though youknow it is, we call it grief.

(39:18):
If you want to label somethingand oftentimes that gets
misconstrued the name, the grief, the title.
People I've heard oh you'regrieving so you can't connect
because you're?
No, I don't believe thatBecause some of my best
connections with Zach were whenI was in Memphis.

Speaker 2 (39:40):
Yeah, exactly the same, exactly the same.
And, krista, I want to give youan opportunity because we got
to hear from Martin, but I wantto hear you because your word
was a little bit different.
You talked about consciousnessand interconnectedness, but it's
that idea of knowing that youand Martin and Zach are are all

(40:01):
one, that I guess probably allof us are all one.
So I want to, I want to hearyou speak to that a little bit.

Speaker 3 (40:07):
Yeah, so I that kind of falls on the back of Martin's
story with the van.
You know, he saw him, he sharedthat with me and that we've had
lots of other things between ushappen and knowing that that we
are never separated, that weare connected, nothing, nothing

(40:28):
can separate us.
We just think with our brains,these filters, that we're
separate.
Yeah, not.
And when I realized that andunderstand what, uh well, you
can't really understand whatconsciousness is, because it's
such a big, vast array ofmultitude of things.
Yes, but to me, consciousnessis that Zach is part of my soul.

(40:55):
I'm part of Zach's soul.
Yeah, I'm part of Martin's soul.
Martin's part of my soul.
I'm part of your soul.
You're so full of my soul.
I'm part of zach's soul.
Yeah, I'm part of martin's soul, martin's part of my soul.
I'm part of your soul.
You're so full of my soul.
We are all connected and we areall I call, you know, different
soul families yeah but I knowthat I kind of see soul families
as groups.
Yeah, and knowing um, um, whatdo you what?

(41:18):
I can't think what it's.
What's it called the?
Um, the medical term, when youhave the dots, the circles and
the lines on it, um, helix oh,yes, yes, yes, yeah yeah, like a
helix yes if I see soulfamilies yeah, you've got your
main soul family here.
I'm just going to use theexample martin, martin, his

(41:38):
parents, my parents out here,but we're all connected.

Speaker 1 (41:42):
Yes.

Speaker 3 (41:43):
Friends here, but we're all connected so to me.
That's how my brain envisionsit.

Speaker 2 (41:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (41:50):
We are all, we're really all one, and, and, and.
Knowing that, knowing that I'mgoing to see Zach again, I know
we see him here, but in adifferent way.
Yeah, the knowing, yeah,knowing, that's again that word
keeps coming up, but that iswhat does it mean?

(42:12):
Yeah, Knowing we're allconnected.

Speaker 1 (42:17):
So beautifully said.
Krista, thank you, thank youfor that want to help a lot of
people oh yeah, you're, we'realways fighting culture.

Speaker 4 (42:28):
Culture says you're an individual.
Culture says that, um, you'vegot to do it yourself, um, and
it's all me, me, me.
So cultures always driving this,this individuality yeah, we are
all individuals, but we are notseparated right but the way

(42:49):
culture identifies you as anindividual says that you are on
your own, you are your own thing, and that's driven in all the
time in everything me andeverything you hear in life.
And so you've got to and you'vebeen trained in that.
You know from from being asmall child.
You know you, you've got to bean individual, you know you've

(43:10):
got to make your own way in life.
It's all me, me, me, I, I, Iright, you've got to challenge
that, you know.
And this is, this is the otherpart that we have to be able to
do is is accept just everything.
Christa just said that we areall interconnected.
We are, we have ourindividuality, but we are not
separate, and that is for us.

(43:30):
That's what it's about.

Speaker 1 (43:31):
Yeah, if I may interject another little and
this is your time in your story,but I'm going to interject your
time and your story, but I'mgoing to interject another
little, kennyism.
Because, no, but there's somuch about our stories that
coincide and I too, my kenny,was that um little guru who had
so much wisdom as as a littleguy diana can can attest to that

(43:53):
and it was that individual andI have the photograph of him
when he's about three, fouryears old, and he had taken all
of his Legos and the Lego boardand he had created this
intricate design that I don'teven understand it to this day,
but it was all interconnectionof pieces and colors and swirls.

(44:15):
And he came to me and saidMommy, I want to tell you about
this.
Oh yeah, honey, what do youwant to tell me?
This is the puzzle of life.
Okay, babe, three year old.
Thanks for that.
So if anybody wants to see it,I have a puzzle of life you can
interpret it.
But really at the heart of it,it is that very

(44:38):
interconnectedness you'retalking about that.
That was the essence.

Speaker 2 (44:41):
So yeah, yeah, yeah, our boys, oh my gosh, they're
pretty amazing, magical, amazingyeah yeah.
So so guys, six, six years intothis journey and you've had all
I mean stories for days.
I know every time I meet withyou there's there's new stories
and Zach is ever present andyou've both done.

(45:02):
Whenever I meet anybody who'snew on this journey, I tell them
about you two, especially youtwo as a couple, and how you've
kind of ridden this ridetogether, but also in very
unique ways.
I think you connect verydifferently with Zach and I
would love it if you're willingto share just what have you

(45:23):
found.
I guess works the best for youto keep that connection with
Zach.

Speaker 3 (45:32):
Well, I know what you're going to say you go first
, come on.

Speaker 1 (45:38):
I love you guys.

Speaker 3 (45:40):
We love you too.
For me, it's slightly differentthan Martin, where I like that
I'm going to say it's not justmediumship, because that's a
label Right, to say it's notjust mediumship because that's a

(46:01):
label right.
So it's that working with him,knowing it's him and trusting
it's him, yeah, and then whenyou trust and you get the
confirmations on the back ofthis, yeah, that's what does it
for me.
However, you get there is fine,because everyone's different.
You might get there throughmeditation.
You might get there throughmediumship.

(46:23):
You might get that through justgoing out for a walk and then
sure, just being open, um, butfor me it is that's it.
Just be up knowing, and youknow, you start to hear spirit.

Speaker 2 (46:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (46:39):
And they start to confirm things with you.

Speaker 1 (46:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (46:42):
Okay, there's my confirmation.
Boom, you know.
Yeah, all right, let's keepgoing.
What's happened?
And then you might have youknow.
Something happened like thismorning.
So I'm going to share a quickstory with Martin.
I know it's probably, you'regood, you're good, okay.
So this isn't my story, it'sMartin's.

(47:03):
But we wake up this morning andagain today's the six year
transition day.
So we think, oh, we're, we'reokay, but we're going to go out
and eat your blah, blah, blah.
So Martin wakes up Very rarely.
Do you remember your dreams?
This is true, I always remembermy dreams, but Martin doesn't.
So I always share my dreamswith him where he never shares

(47:24):
them with me.

Speaker 4 (47:25):
I'm a strange.

Speaker 3 (47:26):
No, yeah, so am I I was talking about yours.
Oh yeah, fine, I don't want totell him too.
I'll put in a pat-and-sellsometimes.
So he wakes up and says Krista,I had a dream visit with Zach
this morning.
I won't tell the story, I'lllet Martin because it's his

(47:47):
story.
It's brilliant.
They were at the go-kart track,but it was all proper racers.
So he tells me this story,which I'll let him-.

Speaker 4 (47:55):
No, you don't need to tell the story.
Yeah, if you want to laterleave it on.

Speaker 3 (48:01):
So then Ella, who we've mentioned that went with
us to get the van.
We communicate, we talk to hera lot and stuff.
She still messages us.
She sent us a message thismorning, and what first popped
up on her Facebook page?
And what?

Speaker 4 (48:18):
did it say exactly, so it was the picture of the
back of a shirt.
Yeah, and this is the firstthing that's popped up on a
shirt, on her facebook and thethe shirt is being worn by
somebody.
It's the back of the shirt.
The back of the shirt saysmonday, tuesday, wednesday, th
Practice qualifying race.
In other words, practiceSaturdays, qualifying Sundays

(48:40):
racing.

Speaker 3 (48:40):
And that's what you do at the race.

Speaker 4 (48:42):
Yes, that's his life.

Speaker 2 (48:45):
Yes.

Speaker 4 (48:46):
That epitomizes the back of the shirt, epitomizes
his life.
His life as it's continued aswell.

Speaker 3 (48:52):
Yes, she sent that over after Martin, just right
after Martin had the dream Justgorgeous, just gorgeous.

Speaker 1 (48:56):
Yeah, so it's mute as well.
Yes, she sent that over aftermartin, just right after the
dream.

Speaker 3 (48:57):
that's gorgeous, just gorgeous yeah, so it's just
going back that's how it works,and that's how it works.
Yeah, and it's knowing,trusting and going with it and
don't like it.
We have this all the time, yeah, and it's so hard not to
question, yeah, our human brains, these filters, we have always
want us to question everything,yeah, but exactly as you've said

(49:20):
.

Speaker 1 (49:20):
If you go with it and don't question, then the
validations come.
You get more and more and more,and that's just how it works.

Speaker 3 (49:29):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think so going back to the and
I'll stop talking, but goingback to very beginning, when you
ask why we get so many signs,how we got so many signs and
other people might not, it wasjust, I just said who cares?
Yes, if it's not Zach, oh well,and if it is Zach, great.

(49:50):
You know, and that's how I getgot.

Speaker 2 (49:53):
Yeah, and.

Speaker 3 (49:55):
I always go with it and I think what's the worst is
going to happen.
It's not going to be Zach andhe's going to go score yes,
wasn't me.
So now he's going to dropsomething in and then he's going
to confirm it with aconfirmation yes, so that I like
that.
Just just, who cares?
Who cares?

Speaker 1 (50:14):
Who cares?

Speaker 3 (50:14):
Who cares?

Speaker 4 (50:15):
Who cares?
Yeah, I think people use theword skeptic wrong.
I don't think they understandthe meaning of the word skeptic.
That's just an opinion.
So when people say a skeptic,then they often mean a naysayer,
a denier, quite, the oppositeof being open-minded.
But really, a skeptic is anopen-minded person that's

(50:37):
prepared to consider everything.
They're going to challengeeverything.
Right, and I'm good, I'mtotally good with a proper
skeptic.
Something's going to challengeeverything.
Yeah, don't dismiss it.
Yeah, right, and because if youdo continue as Chris, we all
said to accept these signs aswhat they are, there's nothing

(51:00):
wrong with also, in my mind, theway I am, there's nothing wrong
with also having an acceptance,but then a challenge to it.
Because if you do keep on sortof challenging your acceptance
that these signs are real, thenyou can only come to one
conclusion and that is thatthey're still here.

(51:21):
So in my mind, it's okay tochallenge, provided that you are
challenging in a trulyopen-minded way, you are
prepared to accept theconclusion that you come to.
And if you keep looking at itand you keep accepting that
these things are happening, thenyou can only logically come to

(51:44):
one conclusion that they'restill here.

Speaker 3 (51:46):
That's my take, yeah right, right, there was another.
You know get signs.
Sorry, diane, I interrupted you, no, no you're good.
You get signs just all the time.
And again, this was anotherreally quick one.
I'll throw it out there becauseI love this one and I think the
parents will love it too.
It was Mother's Day and it wasthe first Mother's Day that Zach

(52:09):
had been in spirit and it wasCOVID.
So here in the UK, which is iswhere we live, there was
absolutely not a soul out ofsoul and we were outside here
cleaning out the shed we haveand all of Zach's stuff we
pulled out of the shed somethingto do sprawled out everywhere

(52:31):
because we thought we need toorganize this right and it's.
Everybody knows these days aretough.
They just are tough, no matterhow much you know, yeah, it's
hell it is yeah, but no, youknow.
So I'm stood out there and wewent inside.
I walked in to get a drink andMartin was stood out there and

(52:55):
all of a sudden this thing comeslike floating around and we're
like what's that Comes floatinginto?
We share a car park with nextdoor, so we have it's a big car
park, the house here, and thegates are locked.
Nobody could walk in oranything.
Martin said oh, krista, I thinkthere's something out there for
you from Zach and I'm like what.

(53:17):
Go out and have a look.
As I walk out, there's aballoon helium balloon big
helium balloon floating.
He pulled it in.
I know he did.
He pulled it right in and putit right behind our shed and I
went around the corner and itsays happy mother's day to the

(53:37):
best mummy ever.
Oh, he's so good it's real.

Speaker 1 (53:44):
I've got the balloon 100% believe you.
Of course it's real.

Speaker 3 (53:48):
My point was, that is , I've kept the balloon because
you know because it's a giftit's a gift, it's a gift.
It is.
He's on the other side.

Speaker 2 (53:56):
But he gave me a gift .

Speaker 1 (53:57):
Yeah, he did.

Speaker 2 (53:58):
And it doesn't stop.

Speaker 1 (54:00):
No yeah.

Speaker 2 (54:02):
He gets to keep giving you gifts even six years
later, without his body, andthere's no doubt about that, and
the important piece, though, isthat you received it.

Speaker 1 (54:12):
You accepted it and received it.

Speaker 3 (54:15):
I'm bawling going, thank you yeah, yeah, you know,
and some people get feathers,some people get you know, yeah,
I get license plates, some youknow things that people get,
it's just accepting and yeskenny gave me a diamond yes,
that was a good one story foranother day, but it is a good
one yeah.

Speaker 4 (54:37):
So you see this there's the memories don't stop
when they don't have a physicalbody.

Speaker 1 (54:42):
Right.

Speaker 4 (54:43):
Memories keep coming.

Speaker 2 (54:48):
There's anything.

Speaker 3 (54:48):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Hundreds of memories, yeah, andhere's the other.

Speaker 4 (54:52):
Take from it.
This is just me on my soapboxnow.
Yeah, I'm sorry so if, if, ifZach had not dispensed with his
physical body, then thatphysical body could be living in
Australia now, right, right, Iwould have.
We would have a much morelimited communication if David

(55:16):
retained his physical body andthat physical body.
He decided he was going to goput it somewhere else.
So it's not the same, but in away it can be a broader
experience.

Speaker 2 (55:33):
I say that all the time.
I don't have to call David, Idon't have to text him, I just
get him now.
I don't have to wait for him torespond to his text, you know,
at lunchtime or something.
So yeah, exactly, there is noresponse time.

Speaker 3 (55:45):
It's instant.
Yeah, yes, yes.

Speaker 4 (55:46):
And can we all?

Speaker 1 (55:52):
say out loud too, because a lot of people in my
world they ask this all the time.
Am I bugging them, though?
Am I taking too much of theirtime?
Let's answer that.

Speaker 4 (56:02):
No, absolutely not, absolutely not.

Speaker 3 (56:05):
And they're not too busy either.
No, they can be in many placesat once, and they're not too
busy.

Speaker 1 (56:14):
They can be anywhere at all at once.
Exactly places at once, andthey're not too busy.

Speaker 4 (56:17):
Yeah, anywhere at all , at once, exactly.
No, it's difficult because wehave to get away from the
confines of physicalities.
Confines of physicality is I'mdoing something so I can't be
doing something else.
Yeah, that's because, yeah,you're looking to say, but yeah,
you dispense with that.
If you can just move away fromthat and, as Chris says, you
know, you can be in an infinitenumber of places all the time it

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is mind bending.
I was just going to say thatit's mind blowing, yeah, but
without the body?

Speaker 2 (56:45):
Yeah, the body contains us in one place, right,
but without it we can beanywhere, so.
So OK, let's get back, though,because I do want to hear.
Martin, you've shared a bunchof stories.
I know Zach comes through you,through to you, in so many
different ways, but what is, Iguess, if you had to pick your
ideal way to connect with Zach?

(57:06):
Or you know what works for youthe best, do you think?

Speaker 4 (57:09):
OK.
So my secret sauce, if you like, if all else fails, is
meditation.
But it's not meditation sittingdoing the arm thing, it's
meditation with headphones on,listening to particular sounds,
right.
So let me just back up on thatreal quick.

(57:31):
So early on, we had stacks ofbooks everywhere, right?
So we were trying to figure itout and we had lots of people do
this.
We had literally columns ofbooks all over the house where
we were just trying to absorbknowledge, to try to understand
what was going on, and one ofthe things I bumped into was

(57:54):
out-of-body experience, right,and I latched onto that.
I latched onto that because Ithought, well, if somebody can
have an experience without theirbody, then that means they
don't need their body.
So if I can have an experiencewithout my body and I know I've
had that experience then I alsoknow Zach doesn't need a body to

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have an experience.
So Zach's fine.
So that was my circle, that wasmy loop, that was the thought
process right, and I scratchedaround and dug about how to do
that and I had.
It was like the light bulb,edison.
We had so many failures oftrying to achieve this, but
there was an organization thatwe were sort of drawn to, which

(58:40):
is a thing called the MonroeInstitute, and there was a guy
called Bob Monroe who had thesethings happen naturally, and
then he was a radio producer andhe worked on these frequencies
and these headphones and thesewe'll call them meditations, but
I would call them connectionexercises, right, um, and they
allow you to change your I'llcall it brain state, to allow

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your mind to go where it needsto go.
And and that's the shortest wayI can policy and when I do them
pretty reliably and consistently, then I'm always in a better
space.
Sometimes I just drift off fromdoing them for a while, but I

(59:29):
don't force them anymore andsometimes that means I stay good
and sometimes I dip a littlebit, but when I dip I know I can
go back to those and I'm backand that is for me that's 100%
reliable and the experiencesI've had are just awesome,
unbelievable, right, you know,and that's my secret sauce for

(59:53):
me and as a person that doesthem as as well, and I've never
been a huge meditator, but nowworking with them in row yes,
when the Monroe group, they'reamazing yeah you don't have to
the thing for me, you don't haveto think about it, you don't
have to do and they do it foryou.

Speaker 3 (01:00:13):
Yeah, and that's what helps me on the back of the
horse, sorry, yeah, they, theykind of guide you, but the way
that the formulas are done alpha, beta, beta, delta, going on in
your mind they just take youand you don't have to do
anything and before you know it,you're having these amazing
experiences yeah, but you're notactually doing anything, but

(01:00:36):
you are right.

Speaker 4 (01:00:38):
There's something really cruel about all this
right and this.
The thing that's really cruelabout it is the more desperate
we are to connect sometimes, theharder it is to connect yeah,
and that's a cruel thing.

Speaker 2 (01:00:55):
Yes, yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:00:57):
If you can find what doesn't matter what it is but if
you can find whatever yoursecret sources that allows you
to connect and allows you torelease that desperation, then
when the desperation dips a bit,for me I can only speak for
myself.
For me, when the desperationdips, the connection clarity

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increases all the time andbefore you know it, there's no
desperation because you don'tneed to be desperate, because
you've got a great relationshipthat you've understood how to
communicate again.
But there is this thing you'vegot to figure we're all
individuals but we're allconnected.
But you've got to figure thisway out to get to accept where
you are, to accept thatdesperation but not have that

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desperation prevent you fromhearing and seeing right knowing
yeah, so wonderful, so, sowonderful.

Speaker 1 (01:01:53):
So let me ask you this, my friends so if we were
to go back in time well beforeall of these events of your life
and the journey that you're onnow, and go back to you when
you're, say, a kid, a youngadolescent, if that kid were to
look into and see where you arenow and what you're doing now,

(01:02:17):
what do you think they'd sayabout this journey?

Speaker 3 (01:02:22):
Don't worry about the small stuff, don't sweat the
small stuff because it doesn'tmatter.
Yeah, actually, nothing reallymatters.
That's what I would have toldmyself, knowing what I know now.

Speaker 1 (01:02:37):
And I love that.
Going back to saying that, yes,absolutely.
What do you think that kidwould say to you now To me now.

Speaker 2 (01:02:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:02:49):
That's what.
That's what I think they'd say.

Speaker 1 (01:02:51):
They, they, they would say to you also yeah,
don't worry about it.
That's what I think.

Speaker 3 (01:02:58):
Nothing matters because we're going to get a
little deep here and I wouldn'twant anybody to take this the
wrong way, but this life's, tome, is a video game and we're
just playing a part in a game.
That's what myself would tell menow yeah, it's you're just
playing a part in a play, wouldtell me now.

(01:03:18):
Yeah, is you're just playing apart in a play?
Yeah, don't take life tooseriously, even though of course
it's hard, and of course wetake it seriously because you're
going to as a human.
But when you can, don't takelife too seriously, yeah thank
you, krista.

Speaker 1 (01:03:29):
Yeah, how about you, martin?

Speaker 4 (01:03:32):
I'm gonna give it a different take.
Yeah, whatever comes to you.

Speaker 2 (01:03:44):
The kid of me, looking at the me today, would
say I'm a stranger.

Speaker 4 (01:03:46):
I am not that person.
So that person that was the kidthat evolved into who I became,
that person stopped being thatperson when Zach went home.

Speaker 1 (01:04:01):
I get that I am a different person.
I look the same.

Speaker 4 (01:04:06):
I sound the same, but I'm not the same person.

Speaker 1 (01:04:09):
No, it's like your very DNA has changed.

Speaker 4 (01:04:13):
It has, and that is a great thing, yeah, as that is a
great thing, yeah.
Because that person that I was,I wouldn't particularly want to
be around today.

Speaker 1 (01:04:24):
Wow.

Speaker 4 (01:04:24):
Because that person wasn't, he was all right, yeah.
I'm not saying I'm great now,but the person that I was wasn't
didn't have any idea what wasgoing on.
That guy had his head in thesand and was playing in this
game and I'm glad I got my headout of the sand.
If I'm honest, yeah, and it'sZach that did that.

Speaker 2 (01:04:48):
Right.

Speaker 4 (01:04:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:04:49):
Yeah, and to have to go through that experience,
right, and I always hate whenpeople do the whole.
Well, you know, things happenfor a reason.
It's like okay, stop, I didn'tneed people to die for me to
experience this, but there is avery different me than was here
five and six years ago.
So, yeah, yeah, veryinteresting.

(01:05:11):
So.
Donna should we oh go aheadKrista.

Speaker 3 (01:05:14):
I think there's something out there Now I might
be wrong, so if not, pleasedisregard it but something about
the DNA that does change, doeschange in our systems when we go
through such loss that wereally aren't the same people.
And I read that somewhere and Ican't remember where.
I read it Like a medicaljournal, something that shows

(01:05:34):
that our literal DNA does change.

Speaker 1 (01:05:38):
Yeah, and I believe it, I feel it.

Speaker 2 (01:05:39):
I believe it.
Yeah, I think all four of us.
It's one of those things kindof like what we're talking about
and this connection kind ofbeyond the physical that many
people can't get until they getit, because they're in this
experience, right, and and so Ithink other people could say, oh

(01:06:00):
yeah, no, no, everything's justthe same and you know, once
you're here it's a verydifferent like that Harry Potter
thing, those skeletal horsethings I can't see yeah, well
even like you don't know untilyou know.

Speaker 1 (01:06:13):
Yeah, that's absolutely true yeah, yeah,
exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:06:18):
So should we kind of switch gears a little bit and
jump into what we call our rapidfire?
Sis, let's do it okay okay, doyou?
Do you want to ask the first,or do you want me to jump in?

Speaker 1 (01:06:28):
go for it, sis, go, and we'd love to hear from each
of you both yes, both haveanswers like yes, yeah yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:06:34):
So again, these are as fast as you want them to be,
don't have to think a lot aboutthem.
And they're not like you know,they're not going to change
their world for anybody, butthey're fun.
So if you guys had a song kindof like that walk-in song you
know you're walking up to thepitcher's mound, or you know
going up to do your big TED talk, what?

Speaker 1 (01:06:57):
is your big, big ted talk.
What is the walk-in song thatwould?

Speaker 2 (01:06:59):
play while you're walking in.
What is your walking song?

Speaker 3 (01:07:02):
country roads I was just gonna.
I was gonna say the same, bothof you country, yeah okay, oh,
my god, I love that song yes, metoo deeply oh beautiful.
Okay, put it together we shouldwe could have done that?

Speaker 1 (01:07:16):
Yeah, yeah, love it.
Oh, I'm asking what bookchanged you?

Speaker 3 (01:07:24):
Oh gosh, lots, lots of books.
I don't know if I can nail itdown to one so hard.

Speaker 1 (01:07:30):
Say a couple, three, say throw in a few titles, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:07:36):
I know there's one that we share.
It's called Reunions by BobMonroe.
That's an amazing one.
Raymond Moody excuse me, sorry,I brainstormed.
Monroe, raymond Moody, reunions.
That's an amazing one.
What about you?

Speaker 4 (01:07:55):
Adventures Out of the .

Speaker 3 (01:07:56):
Body by Bob Monroe.

Speaker 4 (01:07:57):
That's an amazing one .

Speaker 1 (01:07:59):
Okay, what about you?
Adventures Out of the.

Speaker 2 (01:08:00):
Body.
Oh, that's a good one, bobMonroe, bob Monroe.

Speaker 3 (01:08:02):
That's just so many, so many.

Speaker 2 (01:08:06):
Yeah, yeah, I think I've read the second one, not
the first one, so I'll have tolook that up.
Yeah, yeah, and I think I onlyread the second one because of
you, martin, because I think yourecommended it in one of our,
our Friday chats.
Ok, what movie lives rent freein your brain?
What movie can you watch againand again, and again, oh, gosh

(01:08:28):
OK, the Proposal oh fun.

Speaker 1 (01:08:36):
Yeah, I was just watching a couple scenes of that
last night, and it must be alittle taste or something.
Oh, here we go.

Speaker 2 (01:08:39):
Something to make you smile.

Speaker 3 (01:08:41):
Yeah, answers with the grandma who's doing a show.
She's so cute, oh my.

Speaker 2 (01:08:46):
God, yeah, yeah, good .
How about you, martin?

Speaker 1 (01:08:50):
The matrix oh how fitting is that oh?

Speaker 4 (01:08:58):
there's another universe point in this.
So for a long time, for about ayear or so, that DVD the Matrix
was sitting in my laptop and Iwould travel all over the
country and I kept forgettingway before 15 years before Zach
would know.
And this matrix DVD sat in thatlaptop, I kid you not.

(01:09:21):
For over a year I must'vewatched that damn film about 50
times, because everything wentaway the only thing I could
watch was the matrix, so buteven so, I think there's a
reason for that, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:09:34):
Preparing you, yeah, preparing you.
Oh, everything it's preparingyou.
Yeah, it's preparing me, yeah,it's preparing you.

Speaker 1 (01:09:39):
Oh boy.

Speaker 2 (01:09:39):
Do I understand now?
And David loved that movie andany time it would come on.
If you're flipping channels, hewould stop.
I never really enjoyed it untilafter he passed.
Then I started watching andgoing.
Oh, now I get some of this.
This is starting to make senseto me.

Speaker 4 (01:09:56):
But it wasn't before.

Speaker 3 (01:09:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:09:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:09:58):
Yeah, yeah, okay.

Speaker 1 (01:10:01):
All right.
So what did you love doing as akid that you love doing to this
day?

Speaker 4 (01:10:12):
Oh gosh, I'm still going to say cooking.

Speaker 1 (01:10:16):
That's good, because I'm going to say eating.
You two were made for eachother.
It is a perfect match.

Speaker 2 (01:10:21):
I love that.
I love that Very good.
So what in the world, what inyour world, I guess is lighting
you up right now?

Speaker 3 (01:10:36):
What gives you light, gives you joy.
Well, I'd say lots of things,but narrow it down.
Doing these kind of chats, likewith you gals, this is amazing.
It gives us joy because we getto share our story and share
Zach with the world, beingtogether and knowing Zach's with

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us each day.
When I wake up each day, I dowake up a lot in the morning and
go God, I'm still here.

Speaker 1 (01:11:02):
Yeah, we do Still here.

Speaker 3 (01:11:03):
I understand that too , but then knowing that Zach's
here and wondering what today'sgoing to be hold with him.

Speaker 2 (01:11:14):
Yeah, beautiful, beautiful.

Speaker 4 (01:11:26):
Experimenting today's going to be hold with him.
Yeah, beautiful, yeah, umexperimenting, yeah, yeah.
So we, we, we're, we're in aroom that we call the
psychomantium.
We call it that because that'sfrom the book reunions by
Raymond Moody, and he made one.
I won't go into the details,it's a good read.
It's only a little book, it's agood read, I think it is anyway
, and we made our own.
And, as a result of that, thisis the space that we come into

(01:11:49):
to work on our connections,because we have them all the
time, but we work on it in here,yes.
And as a result, because wehave them all the time, but we
work on in here, yes, and as wework on in here, we also record
what goes on in here in many,many different ways and as a
result of that, we can see somethings in the physical that you

(01:12:10):
can't see through your naked eye, and we've experienced things
that are we'll use the wordunbelievable.
And we only do that not becausewe're trying to do something,
but because we don't know whatwe're doing and we're just
playing, trying to do stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:12:25):
Well, we don't.
We think we're the puppets.

Speaker 4 (01:12:33):
So Zach, kenny, david , all the loved ones that are
part of Zach's house they'reguiding us every step of the way
.
So we think, oh that, the lovedones that are part of Zach's
house, yeah, every step of theway.
So we think, oh, that's a greatidea.

Speaker 2 (01:12:41):
Yes.

Speaker 3 (01:12:42):
It wasn't our idea.

Speaker 2 (01:12:43):
No, yeah, I love that , though your experiments are
pretty amazing.

Speaker 3 (01:12:49):
So good.

Speaker 1 (01:12:50):
So cool.
All right, what color is hope?

Speaker 4 (01:12:55):
One, two, three Purple.
Oh, there you go.

Speaker 3 (01:13:06):
Yay, I like that.
Um what does hope sound likeone, two, three zach.
Oh, this is gonna sell Ithought we'd do it together.

Speaker 1 (01:13:10):
Oh, I like that it does, that is hope yeah yeah,
yeah sorry, I let you down onthat one.

Speaker 3 (01:13:16):
No, you're right you did not.

Speaker 1 (01:13:19):
I have to go back, though I have to go back.
So the one, two, three purpleis the color of hope.
Why is that?

Speaker 4 (01:13:26):
you go we'll say it together no, go ahead, just say
it why is purple.

Speaker 1 (01:13:32):
Yeah, why, why is purple?

Speaker 3 (01:13:33):
the hope, of hope, yeah, why why?

Speaker 4 (01:13:35):
is purple.
Why is purple the color of hope?

Speaker 3 (01:13:39):
Oh, because it was Zach's favorite color.

Speaker 1 (01:13:41):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:13:42):
And I found a.
We went through all of Zach'sstuff and it was awesome.
It was another thing Zach wroteabout mom, like mom, you know,
mom thing.
And he was very young.
And it says what's your mom, mymom's favorite color is purple.
Oh thing, when he was veryyoung.
And it says what's your mom, mymom's favorite color is purple,
oh and I thought oh my god,yeah and

Speaker 1 (01:14:01):
that's been his color not for nothing kenny's color
purple and I can see a purplelight behind your head.

Speaker 4 (01:14:09):
Yeah, yeah, there is does have the purple.

Speaker 2 (01:14:12):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:14:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:14:16):
Oh, my goodness you guys Connected, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:14:21):
So let's ask so connectedness or
interconnectedness is completethat statement?
Connectedness is orinterconnectedness is Everything
.

Speaker 3 (01:14:37):
Sorry, Martin.

Speaker 2 (01:14:38):
Can I say that Everything you guys are the best
.
You guys do belong together.

Speaker 1 (01:14:43):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (01:14:44):
We'll wrap it up with hope.
Hope is what Hope is.

Speaker 3 (01:14:51):
Hope is is knowing that we live on and we live on
together, that we never areseparated.
But the biggest thing is hopeis knowing Hope equals knowing.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:15:06):
Amen to that.
You too, you cannot Thank you,and I'm sorry, I'm sorry
Martin's saying it's okay, now,I'm so used to you all are just
agreeing on everything.

Speaker 4 (01:15:20):
I would say hope is oxygen.

Speaker 2 (01:15:23):
Oh, I like that too.

Speaker 4 (01:15:25):
Right, so without without hope.

Speaker 3 (01:15:27):
That's yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:15:30):
I couldn't.

Speaker 3 (01:15:30):
No yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:15:32):
So hope is my answer.

Speaker 2 (01:15:34):
I like that For that answer.
That's a good answer.

Speaker 1 (01:15:37):
That is good.
Yeah, I'm going to take thatone with me.
So you two, thank you fortaking your time and just
sharing so freely of your hearts, your story.
Zach, thank you for being herewith us, because we know you are
and we feel you here.

Speaker 3 (01:15:51):
And he and David yes.

Speaker 2 (01:15:54):
And David, I want to make sure, too, that whoever is
listening knows where they canfind you.
Of course, I know where theycan find you, but do you want to
share Facebook, your website,anything else that you want
people to know where they canfind you?

Speaker 3 (01:16:08):
Website's the best way to find us really, Cause
I've got Facebook, but I'm not.

Speaker 2 (01:16:16):
we do have it on facebook yeah, but and and the
website is zach's house, ukalmost okay zach's house.

Speaker 4 (01:16:26):
Zach's house z-a-c-h-s.
Yes, yes, yeah dot org dot ukokay, thank you, dot org, dot uk
.

Speaker 2 (01:16:34):
I knew that uk was, knew that you can and dot orguk
yes.

Speaker 3 (01:16:40):
Perfect, just stuff.
If anybody have to reach out tous if they just want to have a
look.

Speaker 2 (01:16:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:16:47):
Even if it helps one person Awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:16:50):
Yes, and, and I will share.
It's Information about Zach'shouse.
It's events going on at zach'shouse, it's resources, it's the
blog that y'all keep.
It's.
It's even stories from membersof zach's house and the amazing
connections they're having withtheir own children and loved
ones, which is pretty amazing.
So a great resource.

Speaker 3 (01:17:11):
By the way, we haven't put any new blogs on for
a long time a few months we'vebeen so they happen when we've
been too busy.

Speaker 4 (01:17:16):
yes, time, a few months.

Speaker 2 (01:17:17):
We've been so busy.
Yes, yeah, yeah, but we're notgoing to be so busy now, yeah.
No Wonderful and although itstarted because of Zach, thank
you so much.
I know that it's not solelyfocused on helping those who
have lost children.
It's any loss at all, any griefthat people need kind of help

(01:17:37):
navigating.
I think you guys have been agreat resource for me and so
many other people, and I justwant to say thank you so much
for being here, cause I enjoyall of my time with you and I
know I don't always get to joinon Friday, so this is like I got
a little special time with you,which is really nice.
Yeah, and and and.
Thank you for sharing today, um, you know, this day with zach

(01:17:59):
and with us, because I know it'sa day that you three could just
be together and to to welcomesoul sisters and with you on on
this day is is you yeah?
So yeah, good, anything else.
So much, thank you.

Speaker 4 (01:18:21):
Thank you, we will talk soon.

Speaker 2 (01:18:23):
Thank you so much.
Thank you, guys, bye guys, goodnight.

Speaker 3 (01:18:27):
I know it's late for you.
Bye, bye, oh, it's not late.

Speaker 2 (01:18:31):
Oh, it's late for me, for you, but okay, it's late
for me for you, but okay, we'llsee you guys soon.

Speaker 1 (01:18:37):
See you later.

Speaker 2 (01:18:38):
Bye-bye, see you later.
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