January 8, 2025 • 54 mins
Experience an enlightening conversation with Reverend Dr. Christian Sorensen, as he shares his profound journey in religious science and metaphysics. With a rich tapestry of experiences, including a rare triple family ordination and the founding of multiple churches, Dr. Sorensen's story inspires us to continually lift our heads and see the vast possibilities that lie beyond immediate challenges. This episode promises not just stories, but actionable insights into facing life's struggles with renewed hope and a higher perspective.
Transport yourself to the scenic landscapes of Connecticut and Montana, where the beauty of fall becomes a powerful metaphor for hope and clarity. We explore how embracing a higher perspective, akin to rising above the turmoil in an airplane, can illuminate our path through the darkest of times. By valuing courage over fear and trusting the journey over the destination, we find the keys to navigating life's complexities with grace. Discover how small shifts in perspective can lead to profound changes, allowing us to see beyond the immediate and embrace broader possibilities.
Join us as we uncover the transformative power of reconnecting with our divine nature, guided by the wisdom of spiritual avatars like Jesus, Buddha, and Krishna. Reverend Sorensen emphasizes the importance of moving beyond pain and darkness to manifest extraordinary changes in life, fostering hope, creativity, and connection even during challenging times. With insights into maintaining community spirit during the pandemic and a lighthearted rapid-fire session, we end by announcing our upcoming book, "Wholehearted Living: An Enchanted Journey of the Soul," promising daily inspiration and soulful living.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Welcome to Soul Sisteries.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
I absolutely loved just to hear everything that
he's doing.
My perspective was smallerbecause I don't know Dr Sorenson
as well as you and others in myfamily know him, so I think it
was just really great for me tohear what he had to share.
And of course, now I have morebooks on my Amazon list that I
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need to order, but I love justthat vision.
I just keep seeing beyond thismountaintop.
Now let's look down at theworld below and see what is out
there totally within my grasp,you know, but that I don't
necessarily see on a day-to-daybasis.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
Yeah, everyone, thank you so much for being here with
us.
What we're talking about istalking with Reverend Dr
Christian Sorensen, the leadminister at Seaside Center for
Spiritual Living in Encinitas,california, and just such an
inspiring speaker, somotivational and very real and
authentic, and that, for sure,is my takeaway from this talk.
(01:14):
And also you know the number oftimes I've listened to him in
the past.
Boy, he gets going and you arejust going with him Like, oh my
God, I feel it and you want toshout whatever it is that you
shout Amen, ole, whatever it iswhatever you're feeling he want
to get up and sing it out forsure, and it just is the real
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deal.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
He lives this and you can feel the hope and the
inspiration and it makes me wantto jump up and go, and you know
it, it like makes me want tolike jump up and go.
Okay, let's go, do it now.
There's no, there's no time forsitting here.
There's things to do, there'sthings to to be, and it's all
okay, All okay.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
I feel that like in my soul, in my core, it's all
okay, Without any pretensearound, like we don't pretend
that the crap exists thehardcore, the challenges, the
struggles we don't just as wehear in some philosophies, right
, that we don't even allow thatthat's so.
(02:21):
No, that's real, that is veryreal lived experience and
there's through and beyond andtaking something from it which
is also beautiful and rich.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
I had the little image as he was saying like you
know, pop your head up.
You know, through all the muck,pop your head up.
And I see like the whack-a-mole, you know, pop your head up and
then duck.
When you need to duck, you know, but pop your head up and and
keep coming back.
And I think that is it not tokeep coming back for more muck
or to get beat up, but keepcoming back because you're going
to see what else is out there.
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You're going to see that higherperspective, you're going to
see the sunshine, whatever it is, yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
Yeah, I needed this today.
Beautiful Jen.
Everybody enjoy listening, likeI've just been to church
perfect.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
So hello, here we are with the wonderful Reverend.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
Christian Sorensen.
Let me tell you just a littlebit about him.
We're so delighted to have himhere with us.
Wonderful Reverend ChristianSorensen, let me tell you just a
little bit about him.
We're so delighted to have himhere with us today.
Reverend Christian Sorensen DDis the eminent spiritual leader
of the Seaside Center forSpiritual Living and a past
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president and communityspiritual leader of the United
Church of Religious Science,ucrs worldwide, now United
Centers for Spiritual Living.
Dr Sorensen was born intoreligious science and has been a
lifelong student of metaphysics.
Both his father and mother wereordained into the ministry on
the same day as Dr Sorensen in1985, the only triple family
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ordination in the history of themovement.
His credentials include adoctorate of religious studies
earned from Emerson TheologicalInstitute, a doctor of divinity
and a doctor of religiousscience received from UCRS.
He served as senior minister ofthe Ventura County Church in
California from 83 to 88,co-founder of the Costa Mesa
Church in California in 82, andco-creator of the Oahu Church in
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Hawaii in 1988.
Dr Sorensen is also a prolificauthor, certainly a speaker, a
world traveler and an avidsportsman, and we are so eager
and excited to speak now with DrReverend Christian Sorensen and
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to hear about his hope throughwhich he shared with us, but
we're going to let him sharewith all of you his hope through
journey, and then we'll getrocking and rolling.
So welcome, thank you for beingwith us.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
Thank you to both of you.
And what a full bio you got.
So thank you for thatgenerosity and I trust, just all
as well.
I guess you're in Connecticuttoday, and so what is it Fall?
Are the leaves beautiful, arethey?
Speaker 2 (05:12):
over.
Absolutely beautiful here, yes,chilly and fall, and orange and
red and beautiful colors outthe window.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
It's really, it's like out of a movie set.
You're like wait, this isactually real how people live in
this gorgeousness and the sweetlittle town with the gazebo in
the center and the old stonechurch with the steeple and the
pumpkins everywhere.
It's just delightful.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
Wow.
Well, I just recently got backfrom Montana so I got a little
bit of that fall color going onthere, got a ranch there and I
wrote a book called Living fromthe Mountaintop, which was
inspired from that area.
So when I was writing this book,in my mind or my consciousness
I would always go to thismountaintop, overlooking one of
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our lakes, and just sit thereand imagine.
And so when you asked me to comeon your show, I thought, hey,
well, it'd be great to talkabout hope from a higher
perspective, you know, from thatmountaintop view, from looking
like kind of down at our life,when we find ourselves in those
precarious situations and wefeel ourselves being constricted
or tied down or just stuck inlife, if we could just remember
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to rise our awareness above it,like an airplane taking off and
the ground gets further away andyou begin to see so many roads
and ways out and ways throughthat, I think that hope is
really begins to become moreplausible in those challenging
times if we can just rise to ahigher perspective and recognize
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that there's so many moreoptions than what we're caught
up in our myopic view of asituation, and so we can be
caught in the pain, thedifficulty, the scarcity, the
heartbreak, the agony, and itcan be just debilitating.
And so to step out of a darknight of the soul, sometimes
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just to be able to catch ahigher glimpse, is able to shine
a light that allows us tomaneuver a way in which we
hadn't known and, in retrospect,we're able to receive the gifts
of the pain and the sorrow andthe sadness when we trust that
there is more, you know, to whatwe're in.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
That makes such perfect sense.
But let me just ask you, rightthere in that spot of, yes, a
higher perspective, for sure,but the how, the how of pulling
yourself out of I'm down at thisland's view and I'm in the mire
and the muck the how to lift upto that higher perspective?
Speaker 3 (07:51):
One of the valuable things when your guests are
listening or watching thepodcast is they begin to expand
their awareness of possibilitiesand so to have inside of our
spirit and our soul a bit ofremembrance of those good times
and those greater possibilitiesthat we don't have to be stuck.
That when we do become stuckbecause we're doing this human
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experience, we can remember.
You know what?
Somehow this is going to playinto my soul's evolution.
I'm caught up here in a soullesson and I'm being stretched
and put through a washingmachine and who knows where I'm
going to come up once I've gonedown.
But if I can remember that thisis part of the journey and that
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this too shall pass.
I mean, in Montana Glacier Parkthey have a road called Going
to the Sun Road.
It's one of America's iconicmust drives and it's got an
incredible amount of hairpinturns looking down in these
endless valleys with spectacularviews and mountains and
glaciers, and that it's a you'regoing very slow and you're
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making a turn and you say, whenam I going to get to the top of
the mountain?
When I'm going to get up there?
And you know, you finally getup there and it's like you know,
this is it.
There's just.
But see that you missed thewhole point, because the whole
point is the journey, the wholepoint is the drive, the whole
point is each one of those turns, or the fears and the concerns.
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And when the fear comes in, youget to choose whether you're
going to be courageous in thismoment.
And being courageous isbelieving that something is more
important than your fear,something is more important than
the sadness, something is morevaluable in that moment that
will pull you from being stuckin the mire.
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And so sometimes, when you'rein the depths of despair and it
is a dark night and it seemslike it's never going to end and
you're like you're underwaterand it's like your voice is just
muffled and you know they can'thear you and you get your body
out and you go out with yourfriends, but you're not really
there.
You're still in your pain orthe difficulty and you're making
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a good showing, but they'restill not that connect.
Sometimes it's important to bein the sorrow and when you
choose to get out of the toughtimes, to go through the motions
, because eventually somethingwill click, and a lot of times
it isn't ta-da, everything'sbetter, it's just.
Things begin to be a little bitlighter, it begins to be a
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little easier.
You've come up in a differentplace, you're different now and
it's still a little precariousgetting back into life and being
who you are.
And now, after this moment, itcan happen with a mystical
experience too, where all of asudden you've changed and you
can't really pinpoint it.
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But you're different now andyou're in the world in a
different kind of way and thevibration that you are emanating
from your soul essence isn'tquite matching where you once
were, and you've got to be okaywith that.
You've got to trust that, whichis why it's valuable to listen
to alternative perspectives fromwhere you know that stretch
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your thinking, that lift you toa higher perspective so you're
not caught up.
Because when you're caught upin your pain, when you're caught
up in your difficulty, thatfear and that concern can run
rampant and take you down.
I mean one time, trevor, my sonand I or not one time, but we
used to spend the night in thesummertime in the tent on our
front lawn on this mountaintop,but we got a lot of things that
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run around out there.
You know turkeys, no bigproblem.
You know occasional deer, butwe got bears too In Montana.
You know we got not only blackbears, we got grizzly bears, you
know not just deer, we got elkrunning around, we got moose
running around as well.
So one night, trevor and I areout there in the tent and you
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know, the head sometimes startsstirring about those bears,
because there's not a lotbetween you and a bear, there's
a little piece of canvas, andjust imagine his snout checking
it out, you know.
And we're lying out there andso you know, trevor's asleep and
I hear this, I growl and it'slike oh no, about to get eaten.
You know there's a bear, it'sgoing to devour me and my head
starts spinning.
So I get really quiet and Ilisten, and I listen and all of
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a sudden I realize it's mystomach growling, and not a bear
at all.
You know, it was the beans Ihad earlier in the evening that
were, you know, dancing throughmy stomach.
But I, you know I went on thisfar out trip that you know it
was the end of the world.
And what happens in our lifewhen we get caught up in one of
those down, sad, hard times inour life, you know we start
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allowing our mind to run itstape and its story and get us
all wigged out and it's real andit's dramatic, and it goes on
for days or weeks.
So people live in theirdramatic vision of their life,
rather than you know gettingstill vision of their life,
rather than you know gettingstill trying to find that higher
perspective, what really isgoing on here.
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You know something happened.
It's human.
You know, and now what you know, I'm willing to give some time
of my life to this.
But if I'm going to be in thisworld still, then I got to move
forward and I know that.
You know I have got all thesupport you know from this
dimension or the next that isthere to assist me, just as long
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as I have something to rememberthat's calling me to go forward
.
And that's the beauty of thehigher perspective it allows you
to see something greater thanthe pain that you have been in,
and so it's valuable to be in itfor a while.
But you're going to be in thisworld.
You can't stay there the restof your journey in this life.
And we're dealing with time inthis time-space continuum, in
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this plane, but the truth iswe're dealing with that which is
timeless.
So if you're in your muck for afew days or a year?
Is it time to wake up from thatdream, that experience, that
nightmare, that challenge?
I mean?
You know, and once you wake upit's behind you, you know.
It lingers, it, teaches, itempowers you, but it doesn't
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need to be the dominating forcein your life.
Once you take a higherperspective and realize it plays
into my being, my character, mytotality of who I am, but it's
not all of who I am.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
I love that image you created of being on the
mountain.
And everybody can't go to thetop of the mountain, you know,
in the middle of the pain, inthe middle of the muck, right.
But we can envision thatmountain and so even just kind
of having that idea in my mindof you know.
Okay, let's close the eyes andpicture myself on top of the
mountain and now I can reallysee everything instead of just
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what is right.
You know, within my peripheralvision right now, I like that
idea of being able to see allthe options in front of me
instead of just this oneisolated view that I have right
now.
So I haven't read the book,unlike Donna.
So that's something I'm goingto have to read.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
Oh, there you go, I'll get you a copy.
And that's beautiful whatyou're saying, because you know
I love trees, but I also lovethe beach and you know I got
palm trees.
But it's not quite the same, asyou know, being lost next to
your lake in a mountain and justsitting there and watching
nature unfold and the animalscome up to the lake and have a
drink and the fall colors.
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But what you two are well awareof is the multidimensional
aspect of our being and that'sthe beauty of being not locked
to a body.
This body of ours is this greatvehicle we've been given to
tool around this planet and thisvibrational plane in, and it's
wonderful and it's magical, butwe got to remember this is not
who we are.
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It's, you know, we got thismodel and this is what we got,
this go around and it's great,but it's not who we are.
And who we are is able to go tothose spots in nature and so
often I try to go there, or Iused to try to go there and pull
the image and picture.
I take myself to that place.
But what I learned is I canonly bring a little pieces in
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that way.
But, if I allow myself.
Rather than try to bring itinto me, I allow myself to go
there.
If I actually allow myself tostep into that space, I then
recognize that I'm actually partof nature, that you know you
got the trees and the water andthe wind and Christian who's
part of this, and there's somuch more than what my mind can
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conjure up I can begin to seethe infinite aspects of where
I'm sitting and looking out fromthere.
As opposed to trying to bringit to me, I enter into that
space and you can do this beyondjust a location.
You can do this through time.
I mean, I can remember, you know, I got once locked in, not
locked, but I went to Egypt andI got to the Pyramid of Giza and
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it's this little tunnel you gotto walk up to get into the
king's chamber and the lightswent out in the king's chamber
and the guard up there broughtdown the person with their
candle, let him down, and so Ihad a flashlight.
So I scurried up that littlepassageway into the king's
chamber and no one was in thisdark room.
So I climbed into thesarcophagus of the king's
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chamber and I'm in this darkroom, just my buddy and I, and
just meditated and it was justamazing being able to transcend
into that time and that space ofbeing in there in the days of
the kings and the sun gods andbeing able to experience the
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vibration that is alwaysavailable, that is there for
someone who wants to just tuneinto it.
And so in our life we canalways tune into a higher
realization.
You know you're stuck.
You're calling forth hope.
You choose to dial into theother things that are available
to us.
We're not bound by the body ofthis time-space vibration, but
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you can converse with those thathave left this world recently
or a long time ago.
It is all ever available in themultidimensional totality of
the subjective field.
And so, as you choose torecognize that my hope will
bring me beyond the constraintsof this environment, this body,
this time, this pain, you areable to become available to so
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much more that is seekingexpression through you.
You know Ernest Holmes.
He founded this philosophycalled religious science, which
has become the center forspiritual living.
He said there's infiniteopportunities that are forever
seeking expression through you.
You know it's there.
You know you're not stuck.
But if you get caught up andrunning in the game of your mind
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, you'll feel you're stuck.
But you're not stuck, it's just.
That is the belief that you'rerunning right now, and so you've
got to begin to look withinyour heart and soul and
recognize that, if I want out, Ihave at my disposal infinite
possibilities, and it's notbound by the physical, but
rather it is allowing myself toenter into this space.
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That is other than what I amconscious of in this moment, and
we do that by tuning that dialto a different frequency and all
of a sudden, we are able toenter into that.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
So I don't imagine, Dr Sorensen, that you always had
this perspective.
I know Donna mentioned that youwere ordained in 85.
What got you to thisperspective?
What got you here?
Can you share a little bitabout the story that got you
here?
Speaker 3 (19:25):
Sure, both my parents were ministers in this New
Thought philosophy, ministers inthis New Thought philosophy.
And just, you know New Thoughtis, it is America's unique
contribution to the world bodyof theology.
You know, you got yourJudeo-Christian, the Abrahamic
religions, muslim in there,you've got the Eastern
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philosophies, you know.
But America's contribution isthe New thought to the world
body of theology.
And what differentiates it isthat we deal in the realm of
thought, we deal in the realm ofconsciousness.
It came from thetranscendentalists, emerson and
Thoreau and all those guys andwomen back in, really, the
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Athens of the 1850s in theBoston area, not far from where
you guys are hanging out, butanyway.
So I was blessed, I was broughtup into the New Thought
philosophy, where you takeresponsibility for your life.
You believe that what allreligions say, you believe that
we're dealing with that which isinfinite, and the religions say
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this spirit, this life force isinfinite.
So here's the math hereInfinite one plus nothing leaves
only one right, say we.
You know this spirit, this lifeforce is infinite.
So here's the math hereinfinite one plus nothing leaves
only one right infinite.
That can't be infinite pluschristian right, it's just that
includes who I am.
But see, that's where a lot ofthe, the religions begin to
break off.
They put something outside ofthemselves, and so what our
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philosophy is that there is, youknow anything?
I would call that as part ofthis divine nature the love, the
beauty, the, the abundance, thewealth, the ease, the hell,
whatever it is, that's part ofmy nature, that's part of your
nature.
I mean, it may not be all ofwho you are, it may not be what
you're experiencing right now,but just like I was part of
nature, I'm also part of thisdivine nature, and so our
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philosophy and the new thoughtof philosophy is that we are
able to direct this kind ofthinking.
So I was blessed in a homewhere both my parents were
ministers in what was calledreligious science or science of
the mind Back then.
It's now identified as centersfor spiritual living.
I'd done preliminary classes toCenters for Spiritual Living.
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I'd done preliminary classesand when I was 19, I was going
to Cal State.
Northridge Major was drama andbusiness kind of dichotomy of
each other, but actually itworks really well for ministry.
I'm on the stage and we gotbudgets to deal with, so it
works out well.
But anyway, at 19, I justdidn't want to go back to the
college.
It wasn't.
There's just too many, I don'tknow, it wasn't, there's just
too many, I don't know.
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It wasn't quite right.
So I ran off to New Zealand,never to return, and a
19-year-old guy you know mom anddad, or mom and dad, you knew
I'd be back.
Mom devastated her Son's nevercoming back and it lasted all of
two months, but you know.
So, yeah, moms don't worry,they're coming back.
Anyway.
So I'm down there at 19.
I'm down at the South Island inNew Zealand, then surfing up
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north and waiting for the stormsto clear off the Tasman Glacier
.
I'm staying at a youth hostel,all by myself.
The only book I'm reading isErnest Holmes' book this Thing
Called you, and I can rememberbeing out, you know, waiting for
the storms to clear off JasmineGlacier under this rock.
You know, in the storm, and I'msitting there and I'm just
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meditating, because I brought upwith this.
I'm doing this, I've takenpreliminary classes and all of a
sudden it's like the light atthe end of the tunnel.
It's like the light getsbrighter and I begin to like a
train or something.
But it's like all of a sudden,I'm sitting there and I'm
looking into these lights andall of a sudden I'm sitting up
on the stage like Christian, youknow, 20 years later, man like
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this, 40 year old and standingup there on a stage underneath
these lights that are shining,being the speaker and the leader
of a spiritual community.
And I was like, wow, that's, Ican see it and it's like, and I
asked my you know, myfour-year-old guy.
I said, hey, how do I get there?
And he says, you know, followyour joy.
You know, follow your passion.
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And so it was in that momentthat I knew I was to get on this
path.
And so I came back at 19,enrolled as late 70s, enrolled
in the School of Ministry, and Igraduated in 82.
And it was an amazing journey.
But this is the second part ofthe story that I found fun is
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and, donna, you've been to ourplace here.
You know we bought it in 98.
It took us four years to getpermits and building and money.
We moved in in the fall here of01.
I can remember the first Sunday, stepping out onto the stage
underneath the lights, lookingat all the people, just feeling
the magic of a community thatcame together.
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You talk about hope.
We had no money, we had nopossibility of buying this place
, getting this place, we got ina bankruptcy court.
The city didn't want to give uspermits.
It took a while, but we did it.
It was just truly, from a higherperspective, a vision that
called us and I stepped out onthat stage.
That's why the lights are in myeyes, they're kind of bright
and I'm kind of focusing in.
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As I'm focusing in, I'm lookingout and all of a sudden I see
the young, 19-year-old Christiansitting under the rock in New
Zealand, smiling at me andsaying you know, how did you get
here?
And he said I followed mypassion, you know, I followed my
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joy.
And he said back to me don'tever lose that, keep following
it.
And it's like, wow, time justblended into one.
It was just a crazytrans-dimensional time lapse
moment, so kind of there'ssomething launched me back then.
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But as I got here, I was ableto thank him back.
There it was.
It was um, it's hard to explain, you know that kind of stuff.
So that's how I kind of endedup in the ministry, um, you know
, and I had a lot of fun.
You know, getting to this point,I've had nothing but joy.
I've've appreciated every day.
I love what it is I do.
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I love to wake up in themorning.
It doesn't mean there aren'ttough kind of dynamics in
running the place, or financialthings, or personality things,
or Saturday you know, thingsthat break my heart.
But the hope that has a higherperspective knows that this too
shall pass.
This is one of the twists onthe sun road that, oh my
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goodness, I am not going to goover the edge, I'm not going to
finally get to wherever thedestination says that.
But I'm going to remember thatevery twist and turn on the road
is part of the experience andfor me, my ministry and my life
has always been about joy.
I started every one of my Sundaymornings.
What a joy it is to be herewith the two of you today and to
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share with those you know, andyou know I at 19, you know I
didn't really fit the commonlook of a minister.
You know I wasn't really thatfather figure looking guy at 20.
I was a surfer dude.
You know paddle out in thewaves.
You know go skiing whenever Icould, and.
But what I learned is what wasimportant was to be authentic,
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was to be who I am and to be astransparent and share my pains
and difficulties and things likethat.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
So that's what I wanted to ask you, and I think
you've already answered that,actually answered beautifully.
The you know what you do infront of so many reaching out in
limitless ways to the worldrequires a tremendous amount of
confidence to do that.
But it sounds like what you'resaying is it's not really about
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the confidence, it's about thatauthenticity and it's about
leading with joy.
And you do that and the restfollows.
Am I putting words in yourmouth or you speak to me a
little bit about?
Speaker 3 (27:20):
it.
Yeah, you can just do the restfor me, That'd be fine.
So, yeah, no, it's the energyabout.
You know life can be toughenough.
You know we have enough painfulmoments in our world, and so I
like to bring joy into it andthe laughter and the, you know,
and the lightness.
(27:40):
My higher power is joy.
I think Théodore Desjardinssaid that joy is the infallible
sign of the presence of God, andso that's the way I choose to
play.
You know some people prefer togo with solemn.
You know you come to a seasidecelebration on Sunday.
(28:01):
It's a celebration.
You know some people want to goto devotional service, Some
want to go to contemplativeservice.
When you come to seaside,you're going to get celebration,
You're going to get joy, You'regoing to get jazz music.
We've got San Diego's voted bestlive performer here.
You know Rebecca Jade.
She just sings incredibly, yeah, yeah.
(28:21):
And so we've got great music.
We laugh, we cry, we love oneanother and we have community.
You know it's not about oneperson who is the leader, it is
about we are a community thatdoes this thing together and we
call it community.
You know it's our sangha, it'sour place and it's open, it's
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welcoming, and we confirm people.
We confirm you know, whereveryou may be on your path, you're
welcome here.
It's a place without judgment.
It's a place without judgment,it's a place of kindness and
what we have found is that, in aworld where there's so much
toughness out there, the hope isthat there are these pockets of
light that are open andwelcoming and it's about healing
(29:05):
.
People come in, you know,brokenhearted, downtrodden, you
know defeated, and what ourmessage is is about hope.
And you get to that placebecause you take a higher
perspective.
You know, we've all had ourtimes when we have been down,
but when you're doing yourspiritual work, you begin to
build just a wonderful resourceof knowing that I have something
(29:30):
to draw upon.
When I have eked out, you knowall I can from this dark time,
you know, and the hope it givesus the courage to keep going.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
Yeah, and you've used our word hope several times and
some people kind of look atthis idea of hope or they have
no hope and they think, oh,people who are hopeful are
handed things.
You're handed things and that'swhy you're hopeful.
So you know, you said building.
I think you're building hope.
Is it that you just find hopeon the mountain?
(30:07):
Do you create your own hope?
Where does the hope come from?
Speaker 3 (30:12):
Well, I believe the hope brings with it the
possibilities.
And as you can lift yourselfabove the meme of darkness, you
know that vibration of theheaviness.
If you can poke your head outof it, you begin to see.
You don't?
I don't approach things byconjuring it up.
(30:34):
I try to approach things bymaking myself available to that
which is greater than I like tostep into that realm of infinite
possibilities and begin to lookaround and see what I resonate
with.
I think that we struggle so hard, attempting to make something
work, to make the hope.
(30:55):
It doesn't have to be astruggle.
I mean that's the value offinding the quiet time to sit
and to listen.
As we listen to, as we talkedabout the lowly voice, you know
it could be your imagination.
You begin to develop yourability to become familiar with
what your inner voice soundslike.
(31:15):
I would like to say it's a big,booming voice.
Hey, christian, do this.
You know, for some it may be,but the key is everybody has to
take the time to become familiarwith how the inner communicates
with them.
Some it's images, some it'shunches, some it's chills up the
spine, some it's very clearwords, some it's pictures.
(31:36):
Some you feel like you're beingcommunicated with and talked to
from the other side.
You know, there's not a rightor wrong.
There is developing your skillset to become.
I don't know.
You call it intuitive, you cancall it what you want, but you
know, really one of my goals inlife is to assist people to
become familiar with their innervoice and to be led by that in
(31:57):
life.
And so do I, you know, make hopehappen, do I conjure it up?
What I do is, you know, in themidst of my pain or difficulty
or sorrow or challenge I have,because of practice, over and
over, in good times, light times, happy times, whatever times,
daily, whether it's a time ornot, I stop and I listen to that
(32:20):
something inside of myself,without expectation.
I'm supposed to get this, I'msupposed to get that, I'm
supposed to be helpful.
I just allow myself to beavailable to a higher wisdom
that is forever looking to beseen, to be heard, to bring a
greater expression into thisworld.
And so, as I allow myself tobecome more available, the hope
(32:44):
is a natural thing and itactually moves beyond hope.
You know, ernest Holmes, in oneof his spots, says hope's a
subtle illusion, because it saysthat you know, hope can say,
maybe it might not work, butwhat we want to do is go to the
place where it's, absolutelyknowing that this hope is
unfolding in a way.
That is my doorway, it's thethreshold, it is the revelation
that has come with a jubilationof the joy that is ever seeking
(33:07):
to be known.
In this vibration and as Ibecome that in my life, I add to
the collective consciousness ofhumanity and the gift that I
get to bring, the gift that youget to bring, is the hope, is
the light, is the joy to helpoffset the bombardment that news
and media and network and thesocial media is just filling
(33:32):
people's minds with thisincredible fear and is taking
this, uh, grabbing hold andcreating an addiction that
people need to check their phone.
I mean people, you know.
Will, you know, have dinnerwith somebody?
They'll check their phone.
Why are you doing that?
You know it's like you're withpeople.
Why would you have to see whatis hip and what is what is
happening?
And so what we get to do withour authentic expression of joy
(33:56):
and love and compassion, caringand kindness is begin to help
shift it.
But there's always going to bea higher possibility and as high
(34:22):
as you get, there's alwaysgoing to be a higher one.
You know the great avatars, orthe Jesus, or the Buddhas, or
the Krishna, you know you don'tthink they stopped when they
checked out of this place andtheir soul's evolution man.
They had this plane down.
They knew that they were themasters, they knew that they
were in charge of their body andtheir environment and their
(34:43):
world, but they didn't stop.
I'm sure you know it is aboutcontinual evolution, but we've
been left with a legacy from theavatars that says we are not
our body and that any moment wecan move to a higher perspective
, a higher meme.
If you would, and not be victim, but rather the architect of
our reality, of our world.
And if you don't like whatyou're living in, then you get
(35:05):
to change it.
I don't mean to blow it up ifyou want to and if things are
stirring.
Sometimes your world willimplode or blow up on its own,
and sometimes things have tofall apart for them to be
rebuilt and to come together,for that which is next in your
world and those that you havetraveled with thus far on this
dimension may no longer be partof the next iteration of your
(35:26):
soul's gift to humanity, andnobody wants to hold you back.
What they want you to do iswhat they want to do is to be
able to launch you into whatyou've come here to do.
So we have to move beyond thepain of where we were in order
to be used by all that have cometogether to support you to get
to this point, so you can be themagnificent expression that our
(35:46):
world hungers you to be.
And you're the only one who candeny that by buying in and being
remained stuck to the pain andthe darkness.
But you've got a light that isstirring, and when you can take
the time and the stillness tofeel it, to see it, to hear it,
to experience it, you becomethat transparency for the higher
expression of spirit to haveits way in this world, and it
(36:07):
needs us all.
You have come to this world fora time such as this, to be that
for which you have been calledto be.
Don't deny that.
Be bold, be great in who youare and step into a place you
haven't stepped before, with thecourage of not knowing but
trusting, with that greater hope.
That Spirit will provide allthat is necessary for you to
(36:27):
know, to do and to source you inthe vision that you have said
yes to.
Speaker 1 (36:32):
That is so just incredibly inspiring.
But you're always inspiring.
I love, love, love.
Listening to you, christian andGod, the passion, the joy that
comes through what you share.
I know the authenticity of thatand I can feel it and receive
(36:53):
it, and I'm sure you hear thatall the time that you're
inspiring.
You're inspiring, your talksare inspiring.
I know that's what I hearpeople say about you always.
But so what?
What inspires you?
What gives you this feelingthat I now have listening to you
going yes, what is it?
What is it that inspires youand drives you?
Speaker 3 (37:14):
That right there.
That's it.
It's just you, you gettingturned on.
I'd love to turn you on youknow, it's like you know.
That's why I love doing Sundays.
I mean, you guys, you knowyou're welcome.
We, you know you can watch uslive, you know 11 o'clock, west
coast time right here on.
That's my joy.
I watch healings all the time.
(37:37):
It's a healing philosophy and Igive you the secret to healing
if you want it.
It's very simple and it doesn'tmatter what is going on, what
the pain, what the condition, nomatter what is going on.
There's only one cause.
That's it.
It's just one, and it's a senseof separation from the source.
That's it.
(37:58):
If it's infinite, you are that,and if you've got anything,
that is not it, it's because youare creating that in your
reality.
If you can get that out of yourthinking, you heal that sense
of separation.
I have seen broken bones go backtogether.
I've seen diabetics no longerneed insulin.
I've seen brain tumors dissolve.
I have seen just amazingtestimonials relationships come
(38:22):
back together, finances justexplode into wonderful realms of
possibility.
Podcasts go just viral.
You know, you just get rid ofthis sense that separates you
from the infinite.
See, you are the infiniteexpressing Now.
Is this life force having a goodtime with you as you, or is it
(38:44):
like just being restricted.
Are you going bold?
Are you going courageous?
Are you doing what needs to be?
So what keeps me going is, youknow, inspiring.
You say well, that means inspirit.
You know, enthusiasm in Dios, inGod.
You know that's what I do.
I get, you know, I get to prayevery day.
I get to read, write research,share it.
(39:06):
I mean, I love what I do.
I wake up in the morningexcited.
I seem to be waking up earlyand earlier all the time because
I get excited, getting goingwith my day.
And it doesn't mean some of thethings I've got to do are not
as fun, but you know what it's,you know that's why I woke up
and prayed, you know, withpeople before I even left the
(39:27):
house, because somehow peoplejust feel good when I do that.
So I try not to think about itor my talks.
I just trust stepping into thatspace and allow that spirit to
flow.
And what happens is I'm sourcedman, I'm turned on, I get
(39:48):
jazzed, I get excited.
It's like you know, if you guyscan even see how fast it's
moving through my awareness,only a little bit's coming out.
But you know there's so muchmore and it's the life force
that heals, because I have seenthese healings going on.
It is that which transforms andI want you to have that.
That's what gets me excited isas people begin to experience it
(40:13):
in their life, they begin tohave greater hope that they are
not victims of circumstances orthe headlines or the fears that
we are getting pumped, becausewe're being pumped more fear all
the time.
We're in a country that seems tobe wanting to divide itself and
once again, you want to healthat, heal that sense of
separation.
There is no large or small,that's only in our mind.
(40:36):
We're dealing with that whichis infinite.
So there is no large or small,that's only in our mind.
We're dealing with that whichis infinite.
So there's not a large or small, it's just infinite.
So, whether you're trying toheal a schism in a relationship
or in a country, it is aboutsaying what is that common
denominator that we have?
What is that common vision thatcould unite our country?
You know our relationship, andso that's what happens when you
(41:01):
have a higher perspective is youbegin not to fester in the
minutia of the littleness, youbegin to think in an
ever-expanding kind of way, andit's in this expansive way you
can see how all of us connectedmake this world.
You fly on the plane.
All these houses make up ourtown.
This town makes up our county.
(41:24):
This county make up our state,the further away you begin to do
it.
And so, when people are in pain, what I like to do is sometimes
try to get them to lift alittle bit higher so you can see
how this experience, andsometimes as horrendous as that
experience is somehow I mean,when you're in the midst of it
(41:48):
it's hard to get that butsomehow it's playing into
something that is supportingyour life in a greater way.
Once you can get out of thatthe pain of the dynamics of it.
Speaker 2 (42:01):
Yeah, so I'm picturing you on the stage and I
know you mentioned Rebecca andI love her music.
So I think you know, during thepandemic, when everything was
online, it was amazing gettingto hear her, but what would be
other than the music you hearevery Sunday at church.
What would be your walk-in song?
(42:23):
Here you are coming up to thestage, coming up to present in
front of everybody.
What is your walk-in song?
Speaker 3 (42:29):
Well, the walk-in song is whatever everyone is
singing together.
That's the joy for me, I mean.
I mean I prefer the good beat.
I like the bass, I like thehigh energy and we got a jazz
band going on and the hornsblowing and the bass is playing
and the pianist is going.
It's.
You know, I love all that.
But the magic in the music forme is when everybody is singing
(42:49):
together and they're, and I walkin and they're hugging and
shaking hands and it's just thejoy is starting when it's going.
And then you know, when Iactually go to speak, I like a
high energy song to step intothe high vibe, because you know
it's like down or out of tune,somebody's missing notes.
I cringe, but I get into thepassion and the love and their
(43:14):
beauty.
So I definitely like highenergy.
But when I'm done talking, Ilike the ones that will touch
your heart and make you cry andjust go, wow, my heart can break
open even more.
So there's more space toreceive the gifts of this moment
.
You know there's a magic ofcommunity.
I mean we do online and there'sgreat things and just wonderful
stories, but there's magic ofbeing physically in community,
(43:37):
together with hundreds of peoplewho are singing and clapping
and laughing and hugging andloving, and it takes all of us
to do that together, and so itgoes on online but also goes on
in person, and that's the beautywith Seaside.
During the pandemic youmentioned, we didn't um, you
(43:58):
know what happened is we have agarden outside, so we we met
outside, you know the, you knowthe state, you know locked down
the place.
But as soon as, um, we wereable to get back inside, before
people were allowed inside, youknow, we brought in the band and
they and uh brought in our uhsound team and stream team and
Rebecca and I and the crew, wecontinued to deliver.
(44:21):
We said people, you know what,you want it live, you can sit
outside.
And you want it at home with amimosa, you can have that too.
Speaker 1 (44:32):
So much great messaging, christian.
I'm so glad to be able to talkwith you about all of this.
So so much great messaging,Christian.
I'm so glad to be able to talkwith you about all of this so
clearly.
You've done so much beautifulwork here in this life that you
have to live.
You are doing the beautifulwork.
You're constantly.
You are an idea guy, for sure,but you're also a guy who makes
it happen.
(44:52):
It's not just about the idea.
You execute, execute, execute.
You get out there, you writethe book, you speak the speech,
you get the place in Montana,you do the stuff you realize.
I know that on the other sideof this life because this life
does have this life in this bodyhas its time frame and you go
(45:13):
wherever you go.
How do you hope?
And you go wherever you go, howdo you hope?
Or do you even think about howyou hope to be remembered or
what that legacy of this lifeyou have is as you move forward?
Speaker 3 (45:28):
I don't really care about legacy, it's.
You know, my joy is, you knowit's just like, right here, this
is so good.
You know, it's just being ableto talk to the two of you on the
other side of our continent.
You know, that's so, soincredible.
I, you know, I just I just so,hopefully, the place a little
brighter.
You know, touch some peoplethat continue.
(45:48):
I, I'm about now and you knowwhen I'm done I'm done.
You know where I'm going isprobably where I came from.
You know, when I came into thisworld I came from somewhere I'm
going back into that place thatI think the energy is a little
finer and faster.
I think this world, things areslowed down.
You know the vibrational levelhere is slower, which is why,
(46:10):
you know, we have this densityin these bodies that are pretty
much made up of just energy.
You know, in 99.9% it's allspace in those atoms or
something.
You know that's what I am.
I will continue to be and Itrust that there'll be the
continuity of my awareness.
But you know what's alsodifferent I think about, you
know, with those on the otherside, is, you know, when we're
(46:33):
with somebody here, it's likeI'm with you and I can't be
somewhere else.
But I think when we're on theother side and when we're
consciousness, we're like ableto be more spread out in our
awareness.
So when I'm talking to my dadon the other side, it's not like
I'm pulling him out of aclassroom somewhere.
You know he's doing his shtickover there, but he's also
available to communicate, youknow, with me and say hey, son
(46:55):
man, nice job, man, I'm proud ofyou.
You know way to go.
So I think, with thatomnidimensional expression of
possibilities, the consciousnessis able to be present in a
wider place.
So, like on that plane, you'relooking down at the house in
(47:16):
this city and the house overthere.
You know you're able to seeboth and be available.
You know in both awarenesses,without taking away from who you
are.
I think, when we are notoperating just conscious of the
physical body, that what we haveis a broader realm of awareness
and not bound to a particulardelineation of that.
(47:39):
And so at nights we probably gothere, and I know you two
travel there all the time.
You know you don't have to giveup awareness, you just have to.
You know, let go of theframework of belief that has you
bound to a linear location, andthen you can, you know, know
commune with whoever you wantabsolutely, shall we jump into?
Speaker 2 (48:02):
our rapid fire sis.
What do you think?
Speaker 3 (48:04):
oh, yep, so this isn't hasn't been rapid fire,
huh this is gonna be here.
Some quick questions okay, Iget ready we'll just throw them
at you.
Speaker 2 (48:13):
So what color is hope ?
Speaker 3 (48:18):
It is my goodness, I would say it is.
I like my shirt color.
Maybe about this color here?
Yeah, what kind of color.
Speaker 2 (48:28):
Is it periwinkle?
I'm like, what color is that?
Is it more gray?
Is it periwinkle?
Is it blue?
Oh, you gotta come hug it foryourself sometime, there for
yourself sometime.
You're gonna have to see thevisual to know.
Speaker 1 (48:40):
Very good, like ocean color, which is uh changing and
very fitting for you, and Iknow your passion and love for
the ocean.
All right, so what does hopesound like?
That's gorgeous go, sis.
Speaker 2 (48:58):
I'm sitting there in that big sigh um.
The meaning of life is joy uhhope is love made manifest
Speaker 3 (49:17):
and higher perspective is a mountaintop
view beautiful there we go ohman, those are easy yeah, that
was it.
That's our rapid fire we're nota bird cell at all.
Speaker 1 (49:38):
This is a soft and easy place to be Okay.
Speaker 3 (49:41):
Hey, I got a new book coming out tomorrow, actually
November 1st.
It's a 365-day book.
You may remember CatherineEconomo, who's Assistant
Minister here at Seasiderecently made a transition, but
before she left, she and I wrotea book called Wholehearted
Living An Enchanted Journey ofthe Soul.
(50:02):
It's a 365-day book ofinspiration.
It's a great way to start a newyear is to grab that.
So be on Amazon.
Love for anybody, any of yourviewers.
Pick it up and once again, youknow we're able to, you know,
make a difference.
So Catherine, yeah, like I said, left the world too soon early
(50:23):
50s, left a 16-year-old daughterbehind and so just made
arrangements that all thosesales go to her college fund,
and mom didn't get to know thatbut decided that that would be a
beautiful thing.
Speaker 1 (50:39):
So yeah, mama knows it now for sure.
That's gorgeous, wholehearted.
It's interesting.
I have a book that I've beenworking on called Wholehearted
also, I love that title.
Speaker 3 (50:50):
I think it's kind of I don't know.
You know, brene Brown reallymade the concept of wholehearted
living current, I think.
Speaker 1 (50:59):
I love Brene Brown, so tell us more.
Tell us about more where peoplecan find you.
Speaker 3 (51:04):
Well, go to the Seaside Center for Spirits of
Living.
It's called seasidecenterorgand you can watch Sunday morning
live.
I shared with you guys at 11o'clock, west Coast time on
Sundays, but you can watch itanytime.
You know there's a Patreongroup.
I continue to give you knowfresh content too.
And yeah, you know, I got youknow 11 books, you know.
(51:28):
So you go on Amazon and pick upanyone.
That's still.
You know.
My favorite one really is Livingfrom the Mountaintop, which I
was speaking from today.
It's definitely about being themystic you were born to be and
it's a self-directed journeyfrom your lower vibrational
chakra energy of the earth beingtrapped in prison.
(51:50):
And by the time you get to thelast chapter you're just merging
with the light.
You just blow out through thetop.
At the last chapter, you'rejust merging with the light.
You just blow out through thetop and you're living with the
ease and the grace, the sense ofbliss and ecstasy and all those
fun kind of things.
But at the end of each chapterthere's self-directed questions.
So it's a real fun book study.
So, if you have a few friendsto get together, at the end of
(52:12):
each chapter there's a guidedmeditation followed by questions
that you can work, and so a lotof different communities have
used this book.
It's 10 chapters, 10 weeks, andit's just fun to do with people
.
One person can read the guidedmeditation.
You can put it on a recordingif you want to do it yourself,
and then you do the questions atthe end, and each chapter has
(52:35):
quotes from mystics and it justutilizes the different
directions of the indigenouspeople, things like that.
Speaker 2 (52:46):
Beautiful.
Go ahead, sis.
I imagine if people are localto Seaside they can probably
even stop in there at thebookstore and pick up your books
.
Speaker 3 (52:54):
Yeah, they do have mine.
We don't have many booksanymore because people mostly
get their books online cheaperthan bookstores can sell them.
So but don't tell our bookstore.
I told you that.
Speaker 1 (53:04):
Well, I know and having read the book and knowing
it well, it is very muchinfused with this hope that
we're talking about.
That is replete throughout itand it is a-.
Speaker 3 (53:16):
It's such a great way to live and, as we said, it's
you know.
It opens the door, it lets thelight in, it shows the
possibility, it allows you tostep into a place that is higher
than despair, for sure, and itbegins to lead you down a path
that allows you to enter akingdom where all possibilities
for your world begin to takeform, and you know the ways and
(53:37):
the means and the how-tos for it.
So christian.
Speaker 1 (53:42):
we are so grateful that you came to share this time
with us right now.
It really was beautifullyinspiring.
We're so glad to have capturedit on tape, but also we know
that it's all you know, spokenit.
It's out there in the world,it's out in the ethers, right
and living and breathing andtaking form and shape, and so,
thank you, thank you.
(54:02):
Thank you for sharing.
Speaker 3 (54:03):
Yes, yeah, hey, thanks for including me.
That was a lot of fun.
You too, be well, love you both.
Speaker 1 (54:09):
You too, you too Hugs and love to Callie and your boy
.
Speaker 3 (54:13):
I'll do it All right, see you guys.
Speaker 2 (54:15):
Bye-bye to Callie and your boy.
I'll do it All right.
See you guys, bye-bye.
Thanks for joining us today onSoul.
Speaker 1 (54:18):
Sisteries, and thanks for sharing stories with us.
We'd love to hear your storiesas well and keep the
conversation going, absolutelykeeping the hope going.
So we're really hopeful thatyou'll connect with our guests
as well, who have great storiesto share.
Go ahead and follow them invarious social media platforms
(54:39):
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sharing what they do.
Speaker 2 (54:45):
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Speaker 2 (00:10):
I absolutely loved just to hear everything that
he's doing.
My perspective was smallerbecause I don't know Dr Sorenson
as well as you and others in myfamily know him, so I think it
was just really great for me tohear what he had to share.
And of course, now I have morebooks on my Amazon list that I
(00:31):
need to order, but I love justthat vision.
I just keep seeing beyond thismountaintop.
Now let's look down at theworld below and see what is out
there totally within my grasp,you know, but that I don't
necessarily see on a day-to-daybasis.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
Yeah, everyone, thank you so much for being here with
us.
What we're talking about istalking with Reverend Dr
Christian Sorensen, the leadminister at Seaside Center for
Spiritual Living in Encinitas,california, and just such an
inspiring speaker, somotivational and very real and
authentic, and that, for sure,is my takeaway from this talk.
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And also you know the number oftimes I've listened to him in
the past.
Boy, he gets going and you arejust going with him Like, oh my
God, I feel it and you want toshout whatever it is that you
shout Amen, ole, whatever it iswhatever you're feeling he want
to get up and sing it out forsure, and it just is the real
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deal.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
He lives this and you can feel the hope and the
inspiration and it makes me wantto jump up and go, and you know
it, it like makes me want tolike jump up and go.
Okay, let's go, do it now.
There's no, there's no time forsitting here.
There's things to do, there'sthings to to be, and it's all
okay, All okay.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
I feel that like in my soul, in my core, it's all
okay, Without any pretensearound, like we don't pretend
that the crap exists thehardcore, the challenges, the
struggles we don't just as wehear in some philosophies, right
, that we don't even allow thatthat's so.
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No, that's real, that is veryreal lived experience and
there's through and beyond andtaking something from it which
is also beautiful and rich.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
I had the little image as he was saying like you
know, pop your head up.
You know, through all the muck,pop your head up.
And I see like the whack-a-mole, you know, pop your head up and
then duck.
When you need to duck, you know, but pop your head up and and
keep coming back.
And I think that is it not tokeep coming back for more muck
or to get beat up, but keepcoming back because you're going
to see what else is out there.
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You're going to see that higherperspective, you're going to
see the sunshine, whatever it is, yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
Yeah, I needed this today.
Beautiful Jen.
Everybody enjoy listening, likeI've just been to church
perfect.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
So hello, here we are with the wonderful Reverend.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
Christian Sorensen.
Let me tell you just a littlebit about him.
We're so delighted to have himhere with us.
Wonderful Reverend ChristianSorensen, let me tell you just a
little bit about him.
We're so delighted to have himhere with us today.
Reverend Christian Sorensen DDis the eminent spiritual leader
of the Seaside Center forSpiritual Living and a past
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president and communityspiritual leader of the United
Church of Religious Science,ucrs worldwide, now United
Centers for Spiritual Living.
Dr Sorensen was born intoreligious science and has been a
lifelong student of metaphysics.
Both his father and mother wereordained into the ministry on
the same day as Dr Sorensen in1985, the only triple family
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ordination in the history of themovement.
His credentials include adoctorate of religious studies
earned from Emerson TheologicalInstitute, a doctor of divinity
and a doctor of religiousscience received from UCRS.
He served as senior minister ofthe Ventura County Church in
California from 83 to 88,co-founder of the Costa Mesa
Church in California in 82, andco-creator of the Oahu Church in
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Hawaii in 1988.
Dr Sorensen is also a prolificauthor, certainly a speaker, a
world traveler and an avidsportsman, and we are so eager
and excited to speak now with DrReverend Christian Sorensen and
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to hear about his hope throughwhich he shared with us, but
we're going to let him sharewith all of you his hope through
journey, and then we'll getrocking and rolling.
So welcome, thank you for beingwith us.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
Thank you to both of you.
And what a full bio you got.
So thank you for thatgenerosity and I trust, just all
as well.
I guess you're in Connecticuttoday, and so what is it Fall?
Are the leaves beautiful, arethey?
Speaker 2 (05:12):
over.
Absolutely beautiful here, yes,chilly and fall, and orange and
red and beautiful colors outthe window.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
It's really, it's like out of a movie set.
You're like wait, this isactually real how people live in
this gorgeousness and the sweetlittle town with the gazebo in
the center and the old stonechurch with the steeple and the
pumpkins everywhere.
It's just delightful.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
Wow.
Well, I just recently got backfrom Montana so I got a little
bit of that fall color going onthere, got a ranch there and I
wrote a book called Living fromthe Mountaintop, which was
inspired from that area.
So when I was writing this book,in my mind or my consciousness
I would always go to thismountaintop, overlooking one of
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our lakes, and just sit thereand imagine.
And so when you asked me to comeon your show, I thought, hey,
well, it'd be great to talkabout hope from a higher
perspective, you know, from thatmountaintop view, from looking
like kind of down at our life,when we find ourselves in those
precarious situations and wefeel ourselves being constricted
or tied down or just stuck inlife, if we could just remember
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to rise our awareness above it,like an airplane taking off and
the ground gets further away andyou begin to see so many roads
and ways out and ways throughthat, I think that hope is
really begins to become moreplausible in those challenging
times if we can just rise to ahigher perspective and recognize
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that there's so many moreoptions than what we're caught
up in our myopic view of asituation, and so we can be
caught in the pain, thedifficulty, the scarcity, the
heartbreak, the agony, and itcan be just debilitating.
And so to step out of a darknight of the soul, sometimes
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just to be able to catch ahigher glimpse, is able to shine
a light that allows us tomaneuver a way in which we
hadn't known and, in retrospect,we're able to receive the gifts
of the pain and the sorrow andthe sadness when we trust that
there is more, you know, to whatwe're in.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
That makes such perfect sense.
But let me just ask you, rightthere in that spot of, yes, a
higher perspective, for sure,but the how, the how of pulling
yourself out of I'm down at thisland's view and I'm in the mire
and the muck the how to lift upto that higher perspective?
Speaker 3 (07:51):
One of the valuable things when your guests are
listening or watching thepodcast is they begin to expand
their awareness of possibilitiesand so to have inside of our
spirit and our soul a bit ofremembrance of those good times
and those greater possibilitiesthat we don't have to be stuck.
That when we do become stuckbecause we're doing this human
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experience, we can remember.
You know what?
Somehow this is going to playinto my soul's evolution.
I'm caught up here in a soullesson and I'm being stretched
and put through a washingmachine and who knows where I'm
going to come up once I've gonedown.
But if I can remember that thisis part of the journey and that
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this too shall pass.
I mean, in Montana Glacier Parkthey have a road called Going
to the Sun Road.
It's one of America's iconicmust drives and it's got an
incredible amount of hairpinturns looking down in these
endless valleys with spectacularviews and mountains and
glaciers, and that it's a you'regoing very slow and you're
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making a turn and you say, whenam I going to get to the top of
the mountain?
When I'm going to get up there?
And you know, you finally getup there and it's like you know,
this is it.
There's just.
But see that you missed thewhole point, because the whole
point is the journey, the wholepoint is the drive, the whole
point is each one of those turns, or the fears and the concerns.
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And when the fear comes in, youget to choose whether you're
going to be courageous in thismoment.
And being courageous isbelieving that something is more
important than your fear,something is more important than
the sadness, something is morevaluable in that moment that
will pull you from being stuckin the mire.
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And so sometimes, when you'rein the depths of despair and it
is a dark night and it seemslike it's never going to end and
you're like you're underwaterand it's like your voice is just
muffled and you know they can'thear you and you get your body
out and you go out with yourfriends, but you're not really
there.
You're still in your pain orthe difficulty and you're making
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a good showing, but they'restill not that connect.
Sometimes it's important to bein the sorrow and when you
choose to get out of the toughtimes, to go through the motions
, because eventually somethingwill click, and a lot of times
it isn't ta-da, everything'sbetter, it's just.
Things begin to be a little bitlighter, it begins to be a
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little easier.
You've come up in a differentplace, you're different now and
it's still a little precariousgetting back into life and being
who you are.
And now, after this moment, itcan happen with a mystical
experience too, where all of asudden you've changed and you
can't really pinpoint it.
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But you're different now andyou're in the world in a
different kind of way and thevibration that you are emanating
from your soul essence isn'tquite matching where you once
were, and you've got to be okaywith that.
You've got to trust that, whichis why it's valuable to listen
to alternative perspectives fromwhere you know that stretch
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your thinking, that lift you toa higher perspective so you're
not caught up.
Because when you're caught upin your pain, when you're caught
up in your difficulty, thatfear and that concern can run
rampant and take you down.
I mean one time, trevor, my sonand I or not one time, but we
used to spend the night in thesummertime in the tent on our
front lawn on this mountaintop,but we got a lot of things that
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run around out there.
You know turkeys, no bigproblem.
You know occasional deer, butwe got bears too In Montana.
You know we got not only blackbears, we got grizzly bears, you
know not just deer, we got elkrunning around, we got moose
running around as well.
So one night, trevor and I areout there in the tent and you
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know, the head sometimes startsstirring about those bears,
because there's not a lotbetween you and a bear, there's
a little piece of canvas, andjust imagine his snout checking
it out, you know.
And we're lying out there andso you know, trevor's asleep and
I hear this, I growl and it'slike oh no, about to get eaten.
You know there's a bear, it'sgoing to devour me and my head
starts spinning.
So I get really quiet and Ilisten, and I listen and all of
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a sudden I realize it's mystomach growling, and not a bear
at all.
You know, it was the beans Ihad earlier in the evening that
were, you know, dancing throughmy stomach.
But I, you know I went on thisfar out trip that you know it
was the end of the world.
And what happens in our lifewhen we get caught up in one of
those down, sad, hard times inour life, you know we start
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allowing our mind to run itstape and its story and get us
all wigged out and it's real andit's dramatic, and it goes on
for days or weeks.
So people live in theirdramatic vision of their life,
rather than you know gettingstill vision of their life,
rather than you know gettingstill trying to find that higher
perspective, what really isgoing on here.
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You know something happened.
It's human.
You know, and now what you know, I'm willing to give some time
of my life to this.
But if I'm going to be in thisworld still, then I got to move
forward and I know that.
You know I have got all thesupport you know from this
dimension or the next that isthere to assist me, just as long
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as I have something to rememberthat's calling me to go forward
.
And that's the beauty of thehigher perspective it allows you
to see something greater thanthe pain that you have been in,
and so it's valuable to be in itfor a while.
But you're going to be in thisworld.
You can't stay there the restof your journey in this life.
And we're dealing with time inthis time-space continuum, in
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this plane, but the truth iswe're dealing with that which is
timeless.
So if you're in your muck for afew days or a year?
Is it time to wake up from thatdream, that experience, that
nightmare, that challenge?
I mean?
You know, and once you wake upit's behind you, you know.
It lingers, it, teaches, itempowers you, but it doesn't
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need to be the dominating forcein your life.
Once you take a higherperspective and realize it plays
into my being, my character, mytotality of who I am, but it's
not all of who I am.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
I love that image you created of being on the
mountain.
And everybody can't go to thetop of the mountain, you know,
in the middle of the pain, inthe middle of the muck, right.
But we can envision thatmountain and so even just kind
of having that idea in my mindof you know.
Okay, let's close the eyes andpicture myself on top of the
mountain and now I can reallysee everything instead of just
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what is right.
You know, within my peripheralvision right now, I like that
idea of being able to see allthe options in front of me
instead of just this oneisolated view that I have right
now.
So I haven't read the book,unlike Donna.
So that's something I'm goingto have to read.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
Oh, there you go, I'll get you a copy.
And that's beautiful whatyou're saying, because you know
I love trees, but I also lovethe beach and you know I got
palm trees.
But it's not quite the same, asyou know, being lost next to
your lake in a mountain and justsitting there and watching
nature unfold and the animalscome up to the lake and have a
drink and the fall colors.
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But what you two are well awareof is the multidimensional
aspect of our being and that'sthe beauty of being not locked
to a body.
This body of ours is this greatvehicle we've been given to
tool around this planet and thisvibrational plane in, and it's
wonderful and it's magical, butwe got to remember this is not
who we are.
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It's, you know, we got thismodel and this is what we got,
this go around and it's great,but it's not who we are.
And who we are is able to go tothose spots in nature and so
often I try to go there, or Iused to try to go there and pull
the image and picture.
I take myself to that place.
But what I learned is I canonly bring a little pieces in
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that way.
But, if I allow myself.
Rather than try to bring itinto me, I allow myself to go
there.
If I actually allow myself tostep into that space, I then
recognize that I'm actually partof nature, that you know you
got the trees and the water andthe wind and Christian who's
part of this, and there's somuch more than what my mind can
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conjure up I can begin to seethe infinite aspects of where
I'm sitting and looking out fromthere.
As opposed to trying to bringit to me, I enter into that
space and you can do this beyondjust a location.
You can do this through time.
I mean, I can remember, you know, I got once locked in, not
locked, but I went to Egypt andI got to the Pyramid of Giza and
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it's this little tunnel you gotto walk up to get into the
king's chamber and the lightswent out in the king's chamber
and the guard up there broughtdown the person with their
candle, let him down, and so Ihad a flashlight.
So I scurried up that littlepassageway into the king's
chamber and no one was in thisdark room.
So I climbed into thesarcophagus of the king's
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chamber and I'm in this darkroom, just my buddy and I, and
just meditated and it was justamazing being able to transcend
into that time and that space ofbeing in there in the days of
the kings and the sun gods andbeing able to experience the
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vibration that is alwaysavailable, that is there for
someone who wants to just tuneinto it.
And so in our life we canalways tune into a higher
realization.
You know you're stuck.
You're calling forth hope.
You choose to dial into theother things that are available
to us.
We're not bound by the body ofthis time-space vibration, but
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you can converse with those thathave left this world recently
or a long time ago.
It is all ever available in themultidimensional totality of
the subjective field.
And so, as you choose torecognize that my hope will
bring me beyond the constraintsof this environment, this body,
this time, this pain, you areable to become available to so
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much more that is seekingexpression through you.
You know Ernest Holmes.
He founded this philosophycalled religious science, which
has become the center forspiritual living.
He said there's infiniteopportunities that are forever
seeking expression through you.
You know it's there.
You know you're not stuck.
But if you get caught up andrunning in the game of your mind
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, you'll feel you're stuck.
But you're not stuck, it's just.
That is the belief that you'rerunning right now, and so you've
got to begin to look withinyour heart and soul and
recognize that, if I want out, Ihave at my disposal infinite
possibilities, and it's notbound by the physical, but
rather it is allowing myself toenter into this space.
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That is other than what I amconscious of in this moment, and
we do that by tuning that dialto a different frequency and all
of a sudden, we are able toenter into that.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
So I don't imagine, Dr Sorensen, that you always had
this perspective.
I know Donna mentioned that youwere ordained in 85.
What got you to thisperspective?
What got you here?
Can you share a little bitabout the story that got you
here?
Speaker 3 (19:25):
Sure, both my parents were ministers in this New
Thought philosophy, ministers inthis New Thought philosophy.
And just, you know New Thoughtis, it is America's unique
contribution to the world bodyof theology.
You know, you got yourJudeo-Christian, the Abrahamic
religions, muslim in there,you've got the Eastern
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philosophies, you know.
But America's contribution isthe New thought to the world
body of theology.
And what differentiates it isthat we deal in the realm of
thought, we deal in the realm ofconsciousness.
It came from thetranscendentalists, emerson and
Thoreau and all those guys andwomen back in, really, the
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Athens of the 1850s in theBoston area, not far from where
you guys are hanging out, butanyway.
So I was blessed, I was broughtup into the New Thought
philosophy, where you takeresponsibility for your life.
You believe that what allreligions say, you believe that
we're dealing with that which isinfinite, and the religions say
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this spirit, this life force isinfinite.
So here's the math hereInfinite one plus nothing leaves
only one right, say we.
You know this spirit, this lifeforce is infinite.
So here's the math hereinfinite one plus nothing leaves
only one right infinite.
That can't be infinite pluschristian right, it's just that
includes who I am.
But see, that's where a lot ofthe, the religions begin to
break off.
They put something outside ofthemselves, and so what our
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philosophy is that there is, youknow anything?
I would call that as part ofthis divine nature the love, the
beauty, the, the abundance, thewealth, the ease, the hell,
whatever it is, that's part ofmy nature, that's part of your
nature.
I mean, it may not be all ofwho you are, it may not be what
you're experiencing right now,but just like I was part of
nature, I'm also part of thisdivine nature, and so our
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philosophy and the new thoughtof philosophy is that we are
able to direct this kind ofthinking.
So I was blessed in a homewhere both my parents were
ministers in what was calledreligious science or science of
the mind Back then.
It's now identified as centersfor spiritual living.
I'd done preliminary classes toCenters for Spiritual Living.
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I'd done preliminary classesand when I was 19, I was going
to Cal State.
Northridge Major was drama andbusiness kind of dichotomy of
each other, but actually itworks really well for ministry.
I'm on the stage and we gotbudgets to deal with, so it
works out well.
But anyway, at 19, I justdidn't want to go back to the
college.
It wasn't.
There's just too many, I don'tknow, it wasn't, there's just
too many, I don't know.
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It wasn't quite right.
So I ran off to New Zealand,never to return, and a
19-year-old guy you know mom anddad, or mom and dad, you knew
I'd be back.
Mom devastated her Son's nevercoming back and it lasted all of
two months, but you know.
So, yeah, moms don't worry,they're coming back.
Anyway.
So I'm down there at 19.
I'm down at the South Island inNew Zealand, then surfing up
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north and waiting for the stormsto clear off the Tasman Glacier
.
I'm staying at a youth hostel,all by myself.
The only book I'm reading isErnest Holmes' book this Thing
Called you, and I can rememberbeing out, you know, waiting for
the storms to clear off JasmineGlacier under this rock.
You know, in the storm, and I'msitting there and I'm just
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meditating, because I brought upwith this.
I'm doing this, I've takenpreliminary classes and all of a
sudden it's like the light atthe end of the tunnel.
It's like the light getsbrighter and I begin to like a
train or something.
But it's like all of a sudden,I'm sitting there and I'm
looking into these lights andall of a sudden I'm sitting up
on the stage like Christian, youknow, 20 years later, man like
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this, 40 year old and standingup there on a stage underneath
these lights that are shining,being the speaker and the leader
of a spiritual community.
And I was like, wow, that's, Ican see it and it's like, and I
asked my you know, myfour-year-old guy.
I said, hey, how do I get there?
And he says, you know, followyour joy.
You know, follow your passion.
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And so it was in that momentthat I knew I was to get on this
path.
And so I came back at 19,enrolled as late 70s, enrolled
in the School of Ministry, and Igraduated in 82.
And it was an amazing journey.
But this is the second part ofthe story that I found fun is
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and, donna, you've been to ourplace here.
You know we bought it in 98.
It took us four years to getpermits and building and money.
We moved in in the fall here of01.
I can remember the first Sunday, stepping out onto the stage
underneath the lights, lookingat all the people, just feeling
the magic of a community thatcame together.
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You talk about hope.
We had no money, we had nopossibility of buying this place
, getting this place, we got ina bankruptcy court.
The city didn't want to give uspermits.
It took a while, but we did it.
It was just truly, from a higherperspective, a vision that
called us and I stepped out onthat stage.
That's why the lights are in myeyes, they're kind of bright
and I'm kind of focusing in.
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As I'm focusing in, I'm lookingout and all of a sudden I see
the young, 19-year-old Christiansitting under the rock in New
Zealand, smiling at me andsaying you know, how did you get
here?
And he said I followed mypassion, you know, I followed my
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joy.
And he said back to me don'tever lose that, keep following
it.
And it's like, wow, time justblended into one.
It was just a crazytrans-dimensional time lapse
moment, so kind of there'ssomething launched me back then.
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But as I got here, I was ableto thank him back.
There it was.
It was um, it's hard to explain, you know that kind of stuff.
So that's how I kind of endedup in the ministry, um, you know
, and I had a lot of fun.
You know, getting to this point,I've had nothing but joy.
I've've appreciated every day.
I love what it is I do.
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I love to wake up in themorning.
It doesn't mean there aren'ttough kind of dynamics in
running the place, or financialthings, or personality things,
or Saturday you know, thingsthat break my heart.
But the hope that has a higherperspective knows that this too
shall pass.
This is one of the twists onthe sun road that, oh my
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goodness, I am not going to goover the edge, I'm not going to
finally get to wherever thedestination says that.
But I'm going to remember thatevery twist and turn on the road
is part of the experience andfor me, my ministry and my life
has always been about joy.
I started every one of my Sundaymornings.
What a joy it is to be herewith the two of you today and to
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share with those you know, andyou know I at 19, you know I
didn't really fit the commonlook of a minister.
You know I wasn't really thatfather figure looking guy at 20.
I was a surfer dude.
You know paddle out in thewaves.
You know go skiing whenever Icould, and.
But what I learned is what wasimportant was to be authentic,
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was to be who I am and to be astransparent and share my pains
and difficulties and things likethat.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
So that's what I wanted to ask you, and I think
you've already answered that,actually answered beautifully.
The you know what you do infront of so many reaching out in
limitless ways to the worldrequires a tremendous amount of
confidence to do that.
But it sounds like what you'resaying is it's not really about
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the confidence, it's about thatauthenticity and it's about
leading with joy.
And you do that and the restfollows.
Am I putting words in yourmouth or you speak to me a
little bit about?
Speaker 3 (27:20):
it.
Yeah, you can just do the restfor me, That'd be fine.
So, yeah, no, it's the energyabout.
You know life can be toughenough.
You know we have enough painfulmoments in our world, and so I
like to bring joy into it andthe laughter and the, you know,
and the lightness.
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My higher power is joy.
I think Théodore Desjardinssaid that joy is the infallible
sign of the presence of God, andso that's the way I choose to
play.
You know some people prefer togo with solemn.
You know you come to a seasidecelebration on Sunday.
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It's a celebration.
You know some people want to goto devotional service, Some
want to go to contemplativeservice.
When you come to seaside,you're going to get celebration,
You're going to get joy, You'regoing to get jazz music.
We've got San Diego's voted bestlive performer here.
You know Rebecca Jade.
She just sings incredibly, yeah, yeah.
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And so we've got great music.
We laugh, we cry, we love oneanother and we have community.
You know it's not about oneperson who is the leader, it is
about we are a community thatdoes this thing together and we
call it community.
You know it's our sangha, it'sour place and it's open, it's
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welcoming, and we confirm people.
We confirm you know, whereveryou may be on your path, you're
welcome here.
It's a place without judgment.
It's a place without judgment,it's a place of kindness and
what we have found is that, in aworld where there's so much
toughness out there, the hope isthat there are these pockets of
light that are open andwelcoming and it's about healing
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.
People come in, you know,brokenhearted, downtrodden, you
know defeated, and what ourmessage is is about hope.
And you get to that placebecause you take a higher
perspective.
You know, we've all had ourtimes when we have been down,
but when you're doing yourspiritual work, you begin to
build just a wonderful resourceof knowing that I have something
(29:30):
to draw upon.
When I have eked out, you knowall I can from this dark time,
you know, and the hope it givesus the courage to keep going.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
Yeah, and you've used our word hope several times and
some people kind of look atthis idea of hope or they have
no hope and they think, oh,people who are hopeful are
handed things.
You're handed things and that'swhy you're hopeful.
So you know, you said building.
I think you're building hope.
Is it that you just find hopeon the mountain?
(30:07):
Do you create your own hope?
Where does the hope come from?
Speaker 3 (30:12):
Well, I believe the hope brings with it the
possibilities.
And as you can lift yourselfabove the meme of darkness, you
know that vibration of theheaviness.
If you can poke your head outof it, you begin to see.
You don't?
I don't approach things byconjuring it up.
(30:34):
I try to approach things bymaking myself available to that
which is greater than I like tostep into that realm of infinite
possibilities and begin to lookaround and see what I resonate
with.
I think that we struggle so hard, attempting to make something
work, to make the hope.
(30:55):
It doesn't have to be astruggle.
I mean that's the value offinding the quiet time to sit
and to listen.
As we listen to, as we talkedabout the lowly voice, you know
it could be your imagination.
You begin to develop yourability to become familiar with
what your inner voice soundslike.
(31:15):
I would like to say it's a big,booming voice.
Hey, christian, do this.
You know, for some it may be,but the key is everybody has to
take the time to become familiarwith how the inner communicates
with them.
Some it's images, some it'shunches, some it's chills up the
spine, some it's very clearwords, some it's pictures.
(31:36):
Some you feel like you're beingcommunicated with and talked to
from the other side.
You know, there's not a rightor wrong.
There is developing your skillset to become.
I don't know.
You call it intuitive, you cancall it what you want, but you
know, really one of my goals inlife is to assist people to
become familiar with their innervoice and to be led by that in
(31:57):
life.
And so do I, you know, make hopehappen, do I conjure it up?
What I do is, you know, in themidst of my pain or difficulty
or sorrow or challenge I have,because of practice, over and
over, in good times, light times, happy times, whatever times,
daily, whether it's a time ornot, I stop and I listen to that
(32:20):
something inside of myself,without expectation.
I'm supposed to get this, I'msupposed to get that, I'm
supposed to be helpful.
I just allow myself to beavailable to a higher wisdom
that is forever looking to beseen, to be heard, to bring a
greater expression into thisworld.
And so, as I allow myself tobecome more available, the hope
(32:44):
is a natural thing and itactually moves beyond hope.
You know, ernest Holmes, in oneof his spots, says hope's a
subtle illusion, because it saysthat you know, hope can say,
maybe it might not work, butwhat we want to do is go to the
place where it's, absolutelyknowing that this hope is
unfolding in a way.
That is my doorway, it's thethreshold, it is the revelation
that has come with a jubilationof the joy that is ever seeking
(33:07):
to be known.
In this vibration and as Ibecome that in my life, I add to
the collective consciousness ofhumanity and the gift that I
get to bring, the gift that youget to bring, is the hope, is
the light, is the joy to helpoffset the bombardment that news
and media and network and thesocial media is just filling
(33:32):
people's minds with thisincredible fear and is taking
this, uh, grabbing hold andcreating an addiction that
people need to check their phone.
I mean people, you know.
Will, you know, have dinnerwith somebody?
They'll check their phone.
Why are you doing that?
You know it's like you're withpeople.
Why would you have to see whatis hip and what is what is
happening?
And so what we get to do withour authentic expression of joy
(33:56):
and love and compassion, caringand kindness is begin to help
shift it.
But there's always going to bea higher possibility and as high
(34:22):
as you get, there's alwaysgoing to be a higher one.
You know the great avatars, orthe Jesus, or the Buddhas, or
the Krishna, you know you don'tthink they stopped when they
checked out of this place andtheir soul's evolution man.
They had this plane down.
They knew that they were themasters, they knew that they
were in charge of their body andtheir environment and their
(34:43):
world, but they didn't stop.
I'm sure you know it is aboutcontinual evolution, but we've
been left with a legacy from theavatars that says we are not
our body and that any moment wecan move to a higher perspective
, a higher meme.
If you would, and not be victim, but rather the architect of
our reality, of our world.
And if you don't like whatyou're living in, then you get
(35:05):
to change it.
I don't mean to blow it up ifyou want to and if things are
stirring.
Sometimes your world willimplode or blow up on its own,
and sometimes things have tofall apart for them to be
rebuilt and to come together,for that which is next in your
world and those that you havetraveled with thus far on this
dimension may no longer be partof the next iteration of your
(35:26):
soul's gift to humanity, andnobody wants to hold you back.
What they want you to do iswhat they want to do is to be
able to launch you into whatyou've come here to do.
So we have to move beyond thepain of where we were in order
to be used by all that have cometogether to support you to get
to this point, so you can be themagnificent expression that our
(35:46):
world hungers you to be.
And you're the only one who candeny that by buying in and being
remained stuck to the pain andthe darkness.
But you've got a light that isstirring, and when you can take
the time and the stillness tofeel it, to see it, to hear it,
to experience it, you becomethat transparency for the higher
expression of spirit to haveits way in this world, and it
(36:07):
needs us all.
You have come to this world fora time such as this, to be that
for which you have been calledto be.
Don't deny that.
Be bold, be great in who youare and step into a place you
haven't stepped before, with thecourage of not knowing but
trusting, with that greater hope.
That Spirit will provide allthat is necessary for you to
(36:27):
know, to do and to source you inthe vision that you have said
yes to.
Speaker 1 (36:32):
That is so just incredibly inspiring.
But you're always inspiring.
I love, love, love.
Listening to you, christian andGod, the passion, the joy that
comes through what you share.
I know the authenticity of thatand I can feel it and receive
(36:53):
it, and I'm sure you hear thatall the time that you're
inspiring.
You're inspiring, your talksare inspiring.
I know that's what I hearpeople say about you always.
But so what?
What inspires you?
What gives you this feelingthat I now have listening to you
going yes, what is it?
What is it that inspires youand drives you?
Speaker 3 (37:14):
That right there.
That's it.
It's just you, you gettingturned on.
I'd love to turn you on youknow, it's like you know.
That's why I love doing Sundays.
I mean, you guys, you knowyou're welcome.
We, you know you can watch uslive, you know 11 o'clock, west
coast time right here on.
That's my joy.
I watch healings all the time.
(37:37):
It's a healing philosophy and Igive you the secret to healing
if you want it.
It's very simple and it doesn'tmatter what is going on, what
the pain, what the condition, nomatter what is going on.
There's only one cause.
That's it.
It's just one, and it's a senseof separation from the source.
That's it.
(37:58):
If it's infinite, you are that,and if you've got anything,
that is not it, it's because youare creating that in your
reality.
If you can get that out of yourthinking, you heal that sense
of separation.
I have seen broken bones go backtogether.
I've seen diabetics no longerneed insulin.
I've seen brain tumors dissolve.
I have seen just amazingtestimonials relationships come
(38:22):
back together, finances justexplode into wonderful realms of
possibility.
Podcasts go just viral.
You know, you just get rid ofthis sense that separates you
from the infinite.
See, you are the infiniteexpressing Now.
Is this life force having a goodtime with you as you, or is it
(38:44):
like just being restricted.
Are you going bold?
Are you going courageous?
Are you doing what needs to be?
So what keeps me going is, youknow, inspiring.
You say well, that means inspirit.
You know, enthusiasm in Dios, inGod.
You know that's what I do.
I get, you know, I get to prayevery day.
I get to read, write research,share it.
(39:06):
I mean, I love what I do.
I wake up in the morningexcited.
I seem to be waking up earlyand earlier all the time because
I get excited, getting goingwith my day.
And it doesn't mean some of thethings I've got to do are not
as fun, but you know what it's,you know that's why I woke up
and prayed, you know, withpeople before I even left the
(39:27):
house, because somehow peoplejust feel good when I do that.
So I try not to think about itor my talks.
I just trust stepping into thatspace and allow that spirit to
flow.
And what happens is I'm sourcedman, I'm turned on, I get
(39:48):
jazzed, I get excited.
It's like you know, if you guyscan even see how fast it's
moving through my awareness,only a little bit's coming out.
But you know there's so muchmore and it's the life force
that heals, because I have seenthese healings going on.
It is that which transforms andI want you to have that.
That's what gets me excited isas people begin to experience it
(40:13):
in their life, they begin tohave greater hope that they are
not victims of circumstances orthe headlines or the fears that
we are getting pumped, becausewe're being pumped more fear all
the time.
We're in a country that seems tobe wanting to divide itself and
once again, you want to healthat, heal that sense of
separation.
There is no large or small,that's only in our mind.
(40:36):
We're dealing with that whichis infinite.
So there is no large or small,that's only in our mind.
We're dealing with that whichis infinite.
So there's not a large or small, it's just infinite.
So, whether you're trying toheal a schism in a relationship
or in a country, it is aboutsaying what is that common
denominator that we have?
What is that common vision thatcould unite our country?
You know our relationship, andso that's what happens when you
(41:01):
have a higher perspective is youbegin not to fester in the
minutia of the littleness, youbegin to think in an
ever-expanding kind of way, andit's in this expansive way you
can see how all of us connectedmake this world.
You fly on the plane.
All these houses make up ourtown.
This town makes up our county.
(41:24):
This county make up our state,the further away you begin to do
it.
And so, when people are in pain, what I like to do is sometimes
try to get them to lift alittle bit higher so you can see
how this experience, andsometimes as horrendous as that
experience is somehow I mean,when you're in the midst of it
(41:48):
it's hard to get that butsomehow it's playing into
something that is supportingyour life in a greater way.
Once you can get out of thatthe pain of the dynamics of it.
Speaker 2 (42:01):
Yeah, so I'm picturing you on the stage and I
know you mentioned Rebecca andI love her music.
So I think you know, during thepandemic, when everything was
online, it was amazing gettingto hear her, but what would be
other than the music you hearevery Sunday at church.
What would be your walk-in song?
(42:23):
Here you are coming up to thestage, coming up to present in
front of everybody.
What is your walk-in song?
Speaker 3 (42:29):
Well, the walk-in song is whatever everyone is
singing together.
That's the joy for me, I mean.
I mean I prefer the good beat.
I like the bass, I like thehigh energy and we got a jazz
band going on and the hornsblowing and the bass is playing
and the pianist is going.
It's.
You know, I love all that.
But the magic in the music forme is when everybody is singing
(42:49):
together and they're, and I walkin and they're hugging and
shaking hands and it's just thejoy is starting when it's going.
And then you know, when Iactually go to speak, I like a
high energy song to step intothe high vibe, because you know
it's like down or out of tune,somebody's missing notes.
I cringe, but I get into thepassion and the love and their
(43:14):
beauty.
So I definitely like highenergy.
But when I'm done talking, Ilike the ones that will touch
your heart and make you cry andjust go, wow, my heart can break
open even more.
So there's more space toreceive the gifts of this moment
.
You know there's a magic ofcommunity.
I mean we do online and there'sgreat things and just wonderful
stories, but there's magic ofbeing physically in community,
(43:37):
together with hundreds of peoplewho are singing and clapping
and laughing and hugging andloving, and it takes all of us
to do that together, and so itgoes on online but also goes on
in person, and that's the beautywith Seaside.
During the pandemic youmentioned, we didn't um, you
(43:58):
know what happened is we have agarden outside, so we we met
outside, you know the, you knowthe state, you know locked down
the place.
But as soon as, um, we wereable to get back inside, before
people were allowed inside, youknow, we brought in the band and
they and uh brought in our uhsound team and stream team and
Rebecca and I and the crew, wecontinued to deliver.
(44:21):
We said people, you know what,you want it live, you can sit
outside.
And you want it at home with amimosa, you can have that too.
Speaker 1 (44:32):
So much great messaging, christian.
I'm so glad to be able to talkwith you about all of this.
So so much great messaging,Christian.
I'm so glad to be able to talkwith you about all of this so
clearly.
You've done so much beautifulwork here in this life that you
have to live.
You are doing the beautifulwork.
You're constantly.
You are an idea guy, for sure,but you're also a guy who makes
it happen.
(44:52):
It's not just about the idea.
You execute, execute, execute.
You get out there, you writethe book, you speak the speech,
you get the place in Montana,you do the stuff you realize.
I know that on the other sideof this life because this life
does have this life in this bodyhas its time frame and you go
(45:13):
wherever you go.
How do you hope?
And you go wherever you go, howdo you hope?
Or do you even think about howyou hope to be remembered or
what that legacy of this lifeyou have is as you move forward?
Speaker 3 (45:28):
I don't really care about legacy, it's.
You know, my joy is, you knowit's just like, right here, this
is so good.
You know, it's just being ableto talk to the two of you on the
other side of our continent.
You know, that's so, soincredible.
I, you know, I just I just so,hopefully, the place a little
brighter.
You know, touch some peoplethat continue.
(45:48):
I, I'm about now and you knowwhen I'm done I'm done.
You know where I'm going isprobably where I came from.
You know, when I came into thisworld I came from somewhere I'm
going back into that place thatI think the energy is a little
finer and faster.
I think this world, things areslowed down.
You know the vibrational levelhere is slower, which is why,
(46:10):
you know, we have this densityin these bodies that are pretty
much made up of just energy.
You know, in 99.9% it's allspace in those atoms or
something.
You know that's what I am.
I will continue to be and Itrust that there'll be the
continuity of my awareness.
But you know what's alsodifferent I think about, you
know, with those on the otherside, is, you know, when we're
(46:33):
with somebody here, it's likeI'm with you and I can't be
somewhere else.
But I think when we're on theother side and when we're
consciousness, we're like ableto be more spread out in our
awareness.
So when I'm talking to my dadon the other side, it's not like
I'm pulling him out of aclassroom somewhere.
You know he's doing his shtickover there, but he's also
available to communicate, youknow, with me and say hey, son
(46:55):
man, nice job, man, I'm proud ofyou.
You know way to go.
So I think, with thatomnidimensional expression of
possibilities, the consciousnessis able to be present in a
wider place.
So, like on that plane, you'relooking down at the house in
(47:16):
this city and the house overthere.
You know you're able to seeboth and be available.
You know in both awarenesses,without taking away from who you
are.
I think, when we are notoperating just conscious of the
physical body, that what we haveis a broader realm of awareness
and not bound to a particulardelineation of that.
(47:39):
And so at nights we probably gothere, and I know you two
travel there all the time.
You know you don't have to giveup awareness, you just have to.
You know, let go of theframework of belief that has you
bound to a linear location, andthen you can, you know, know
commune with whoever you wantabsolutely, shall we jump into?
Speaker 2 (48:02):
our rapid fire sis.
What do you think?
Speaker 3 (48:04):
oh, yep, so this isn't hasn't been rapid fire,
huh this is gonna be here.
Some quick questions okay, Iget ready we'll just throw them
at you.
Speaker 2 (48:13):
So what color is hope ?
Speaker 3 (48:18):
It is my goodness, I would say it is.
I like my shirt color.
Maybe about this color here?
Yeah, what kind of color.
Speaker 2 (48:28):
Is it periwinkle?
I'm like, what color is that?
Is it more gray?
Is it periwinkle?
Is it blue?
Oh, you gotta come hug it foryourself sometime, there for
yourself sometime.
You're gonna have to see thevisual to know.
Speaker 1 (48:40):
Very good, like ocean color, which is uh changing and
very fitting for you, and Iknow your passion and love for
the ocean.
All right, so what does hopesound like?
That's gorgeous go, sis.
Speaker 2 (48:58):
I'm sitting there in that big sigh um.
The meaning of life is joy uhhope is love made manifest
Speaker 3 (49:17):
and higher perspective is a mountaintop
view beautiful there we go ohman, those are easy yeah, that
was it.
That's our rapid fire we're nota bird cell at all.
Speaker 1 (49:38):
This is a soft and easy place to be Okay.
Speaker 3 (49:41):
Hey, I got a new book coming out tomorrow, actually
November 1st.
It's a 365-day book.
You may remember CatherineEconomo, who's Assistant
Minister here at Seasiderecently made a transition, but
before she left, she and I wrotea book called Wholehearted
Living An Enchanted Journey ofthe Soul.
(50:02):
It's a 365-day book ofinspiration.
It's a great way to start a newyear is to grab that.
So be on Amazon.
Love for anybody, any of yourviewers.
Pick it up and once again, youknow we're able to, you know,
make a difference.
So Catherine, yeah, like I said, left the world too soon early
(50:23):
50s, left a 16-year-old daughterbehind and so just made
arrangements that all thosesales go to her college fund,
and mom didn't get to know thatbut decided that that would be a
beautiful thing.
Speaker 1 (50:39):
So yeah, mama knows it now for sure.
That's gorgeous, wholehearted.
It's interesting.
I have a book that I've beenworking on called Wholehearted
also, I love that title.
Speaker 3 (50:50):
I think it's kind of I don't know.
You know, brene Brown reallymade the concept of wholehearted
living current, I think.
Speaker 1 (50:59):
I love Brene Brown, so tell us more.
Tell us about more where peoplecan find you.
Speaker 3 (51:04):
Well, go to the Seaside Center for Spirits of
Living.
It's called seasidecenterorgand you can watch Sunday morning
live.
I shared with you guys at 11o'clock, west Coast time on
Sundays, but you can watch itanytime.
You know there's a Patreongroup.
I continue to give you knowfresh content too.
And yeah, you know, I got youknow 11 books, you know.
(51:28):
So you go on Amazon and pick upanyone.
That's still.
You know.
My favorite one really is Livingfrom the Mountaintop, which I
was speaking from today.
It's definitely about being themystic you were born to be and
it's a self-directed journeyfrom your lower vibrational
chakra energy of the earth beingtrapped in prison.
(51:50):
And by the time you get to thelast chapter you're just merging
with the light.
You just blow out through thetop.
At the last chapter, you'rejust merging with the light.
You just blow out through thetop and you're living with the
ease and the grace, the sense ofbliss and ecstasy and all those
fun kind of things.
But at the end of each chapterthere's self-directed questions.
So it's a real fun book study.
So, if you have a few friendsto get together, at the end of
(52:12):
each chapter there's a guidedmeditation followed by questions
that you can work, and so a lotof different communities have
used this book.
It's 10 chapters, 10 weeks, andit's just fun to do with people
.
One person can read the guidedmeditation.
You can put it on a recordingif you want to do it yourself,
and then you do the questions atthe end, and each chapter has
(52:35):
quotes from mystics and it justutilizes the different
directions of the indigenouspeople, things like that.
Speaker 2 (52:46):
Beautiful.
Go ahead, sis.
I imagine if people are localto Seaside they can probably
even stop in there at thebookstore and pick up your books
.
Speaker 3 (52:54):
Yeah, they do have mine.
We don't have many booksanymore because people mostly
get their books online cheaperthan bookstores can sell them.
So but don't tell our bookstore.
I told you that.
Speaker 1 (53:04):
Well, I know and having read the book and knowing
it well, it is very muchinfused with this hope that
we're talking about.
That is replete throughout itand it is a-.
Speaker 3 (53:16):
It's such a great way to live and, as we said, it's
you know.
It opens the door, it lets thelight in, it shows the
possibility, it allows you tostep into a place that is higher
than despair, for sure, and itbegins to lead you down a path
that allows you to enter akingdom where all possibilities
for your world begin to takeform, and you know the ways and
(53:37):
the means and the how-tos for it.
So christian.
Speaker 1 (53:42):
we are so grateful that you came to share this time
with us right now.
It really was beautifullyinspiring.
We're so glad to have capturedit on tape, but also we know
that it's all you know, spokenit.
It's out there in the world,it's out in the ethers, right
and living and breathing andtaking form and shape, and so,
thank you, thank you.
(54:02):
Thank you for sharing.
Speaker 3 (54:03):
Yes, yeah, hey, thanks for including me.
That was a lot of fun.
You too, be well, love you both.
Speaker 1 (54:09):
You too, you too Hugs and love to Callie and your boy
.
Speaker 3 (54:13):
I'll do it All right, see you guys.
Speaker 2 (54:15):
Bye-bye to Callie and your boy.
I'll do it All right.
See you guys, bye-bye.
Thanks for joining us today onSoul.
Speaker 1 (54:18):
Sisteries, and thanks for sharing stories with us.
We'd love to hear your storiesas well and keep the
conversation going, absolutelykeeping the hope going.
So we're really hopeful thatyou'll connect with our guests
as well, who have great storiesto share.
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