April 17, 2024 • 42 mins
On Episode #4 of "Sound-off with Sinkoff", former Siena Saints Guard and Harlem Globetrotter Tay Fisher joins Brian Sinkoff. Tay discusses his career and the impact of his time at Siena.
Tay talks about his growth as a player and a person during his time in Loudonville and shares his experience of being the first member of his family to get a college education and the impact of college on his life.
Tay also discusses playing under different coaches at Siena and the challenges he faced, including the issue of his braids. He emphasizes the importance of community and the support he received from Siena fans. Tay shares his journey from college to joining the Harlem Globetrotters and the impact he had on kids and adults alike. He talks about the importance of perseverance and taking advantage of second chances.
Tay reflects on his favorite memories as a Globetrotter and as a Siena Saint. He also discusses his current endeavors, such as running basketball camps and leagues, and the joy he finds in being a father. Tay's positive attitude and dedication to helping others shine through in his work.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
And hello and welcome everybody to Sound Off with
Sync Off.
I am your host, brian Syncoff,and of course, sound Off with
Syncoff is sponsored by theSyncoff Realty course, a
legendary basketball player fromSiena College.
He is a former HarlemGlobetrotter and this weekend
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he's going to be inducted to theNew York State Basketball Hall
of Fame.
Tay, what is up, my man?
How are you, buddy?
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Brian, what's going on?
How are you?
Speaker 1 (00:39):
Good, I'm doing well, tay.
It's so good to see you, tayand I, a little bit of inside
baseball for you, tay and I.
We've been friends for a verylong time Geez, I want to say
probably almost 20 years sinceyou were in Siena back in the
day.
So our relationship goes back along time and, Tay, I can tell
you this those that knowbasketball, those that don't
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know basketball it is alwaysnice to see your smiling face
because you literally areprobably one of the happiest
human beings I've ever met in mylife.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
That's a good thing, not even a joke.
Thank you for saying that.
That's a great thing.
Thank you for having me on thisas well.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Yeah, no problem, tay .
Tay, let's talk a little bitabout what we got coming up, or
what you got coming up thisSunday That'll be for those
watching on the podcast.
May 21st, in the Capital Region, you're going to be inducted to
the New York State BasketballHall of Fame in Troy at the
Hilton Garden Inn.
I know it's a prestigious honorfor you.
Tell us what that was like,getting the call to go in and
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then just sort of reflectingback on what it means to you.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
It's definitely an honor to be able to be inducted
in the New York State Hall ofFame for basketball it's I still
haven't really.
Since retiring from theGlobetrotters, I haven't really
reflected too much on my careerbecause things have been so
crazy in my life.
Once I stopped playing, covidhit, then I had a son, and then
we just moved up to the CapitalRegion and just so much has just
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been happening all at once.
So people would always ask mehave I had a chance to really
sit back and just think about mycareer?
And the answer is no, notreally.
But on top of that I'm stilldoing a lot of basketball
programs for the kids.
But at the same time I comehome I look at pictures, I look
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at videos.
They're on my phone.
There's YouTube.
There's so much other thingsgoing on that's in the world
right now with technology thatit reminds me.
They'll bring me back to thosegreat memories.
So even though I haven'treflected on it, there are
things that I haven't forgottenthat still makes a difference
today tay, of course, fromkingston.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Uh played at sienna and some of those great sienna
teams, uh the mid, uh, you know,mid 2000s uh went to ncaa
tournaments.
Tay, you were there at Sienafrom 2004 to 2008.
You had 229 three-pointers,second only to Scott Knapp.
You basically lit it up in theNCAA tournament 2008 Vanderbilt
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the upset win.
You have six three-pointers.
Go back to your time at Siena.
We'll talk about the Vanderbiltgame in a second.
Go back to your time at SienaWe'll talk about the Vanderbilt
game in a second.
But go back to your time atSiena and sort of how you grew,
not only as a player, but yougrew a lot as a person, didn't
you?
Speaker 2 (03:34):
Yeah, definitely Siena was.
It was in reality it should befor college.
For any kid it's four years ofgrowth and once I stepped on
that campus I was no longer thatKingston kid, you know, like 18
year old kid anymore, becausereality have set with how I'm
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going to be as a student athlete.
And if I had to take anythingaway from that, I always knew I
was a great basketball player.
I knew it.
I mean, I had the confidence inmyself very humble, but I knew
what my game was able to providefor me on the court.
Basketball was probably.
The court, to be honest with youwas probably the safest place
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that I was able to be at as ayoung kid, which is why I felt
comfortable on the court.
It was the off the court stuffthat I wasn't really sure if I
was going to be able to do.
So for me to be able to go toSiena, stay there, do good in
school, get my degree that wasthe highlight of my time at
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Siena Me doing what I did atVanderbilt, me scoring all those
threes, me being a leader,being the captain of the team
all of the success I had atSiena on the court.
It wasn't a surprise, because Icame from having success
already at Kingston High Schooland then Siena.
I kind of had the confidence inmyself to know what I was going
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to do.
But to have it all cometogether as one, I feel like
that was probably the hugeaccomplishment for me.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
Tay, you talked about that kid that went to Siena and
you were the safest and I hearthat from so many basketball
players really a lot of athletes, but especially basketball
players.
You have that safe court whereit's yours, you're comfortable.
You came to Siena.
You were the first.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but Ibelieve you were the first
member of your family to get acollege education right.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
What was it like for you growing up and knowing that
college would be an outlet foryou that maybe others in your
family didn't have a chance?
What was Tay Fisher's life likegrowing?
Speaker 2 (05:37):
up.
Growing up, I grew up in aninner city where there wasn't
much to do.
I mean, all I saw was drugs andviolence and just I mean,
really, what I'm saying is nodifferent than what we will see
in the capital region as well,in a lot of other places.
So if people understand andthey know, they can relate and
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they know what I have to saywith that.
So going to the Boys and GirlsClub was my safe place, which we
have a lot of them in thecapital region, whether it's in
Albany or Troy or whatever, andthen we have multiple YMCAs as
well.
But again, the Boys and GirlsClub was my safe place.
That's where my love for thegame started.
That's where I knew I was goingto be safe, because I knew I
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didn't have to have the streetstake me away like I've done
other people and let's be honest, there's many great athletes
out there who wasn't fortunateto have other things take them
away from their greatness.
So I could have been anotherstatistic, but there were people
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in places in my community thatnever let me go down that route
and I thank them for that tothis day.
And that's the reason why Itake pride in what I do because
some people they don't get paidto take care of us, right, they
don't want the limelight, theydon't want to be acknowledged,
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they do it because they have agood heart.
And I got to make sure that Ido that same thing for other
kids.
But at the same time I got tomake sure I don't go down the
wrong path, because I appreciatewhat they have done for me.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
Was it hard and Tay, this is good stuff here Was it
hard for you to stay on theright path?
I mean, did you look at an endgame, like Siena?
I'm sure you hear the stories.
Hey, we're doing this tonight.
You're like, no, I'd rathershoot baskets.
Was there that sort of linewhere everyone went like this?
And maybe, Tay, you went likethis?
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Yeah, it definitely did.
But what was different in mylife was the people that went
this way, and I went this way.
Those same people were the onestelling me don't go this way,
Tay.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
Go your way, right.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
So some people don't have that, but my friends that I
have to this day.
Maybe they went the wrong way,but they're my friends because
they helped me go the other way.
Way, but they're my friendsbecause they helped me go the
other way.
And every time they see mesucceed, they feel like they
succeeded because they were thesame kids that stayed over my
house.
They were the same kids whowoke up in the morning to work
out with me.
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They were the same kids thatstayed up late.
They were the ones in my class.
I do not forget my friends thatI grew up with.
I'm not that type of person thatsays, hey, you went this way, I
went that way.
No, I'm not that type of personthat says, hey, you went this
way, I went that way.
No, if you made a difference inmy life, I make sure you stay
in it, and I'm a very loyalperson.
I'm a very committed person.
If you don't know that about me, just go back to my Siena time,
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when I could have left.
When everybody else left andCoach McCaffrey came in, I was
the only person that stayed.
So if I would have left, maybewe wouldn't be having these
conversations right now.
But for me being where I'm from, that college degree and that
full scholarship was above andbeyond my expectations.
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I wasn't going to mess that upby just leaving the school and
trying to start all over again.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
How did it evolve?
Obviously McCaffrey didn'trecruit you, right?
Speaker 2 (09:07):
It was Rob Lanier.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
Rob Lanier was the previous coach, so how did you
get to Siena?
Take us back to that the yearbefore.
I guess it would have been acouple, actually two years
before McCaffrey got here.
How did you end up getting toSiena?
Speaker 2 (09:20):
Well, I had a great career at Kingston but the one
thing that I guess steeredSienna towards me was when I
scored 61 points against AlbanyHigh.
My senior year was the secondgame in our.
In our season we were in anAlbany tournament and I scored
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61 points and we only won bylike five points.
So those 61 points was allneeded.
Some people they score 61points and they win by 61 points
.
That means coach was justtrying to keep you in.
You can rally up all thempoints, but every point was
needed.
It was a great accomplishment.
I got in Sports Illustrated andFaces in the Crowd for that.
Then Siena obviously Albany'sright in their backyard they
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said that's the kid we need.
And obviously I had otherschools but Rob Lanier, I had a
connection with him.
Sienna was close to home.
I wanted to be close to myparents, especially my mom, and
it was just the right fit.
And you know when it's theright fit, like no one can tell
you, you just feel it and youknow it and it's a choice that
I'm happy I made and I wouldn'tchange it if I had to do it all
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over again.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
And you know you bring that up.
It's funny I'm just going tobring this back to my life and
my son, my son's 15 now and he'sgoing to be a junior next year
and he's looking at colleges.
We're starting to get in thatpoint and I said you know he's,
you know dad, how do I know?
And I echoed literally what youjust said, tay.
I said zach, I said you'll knowwhen it's the right fit, like
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mom or dad can't tell you.
You know, you're just gonnaknow.
And I think that's so neat thatyou just said that.
And and you're obviously at adifferent level you're playing
college hoops, you're beingrecruited, recruited, you're
being courted, but your innerman, your inner core, just told
you that that was all you neededto know, tay.
Let's talk now about your Sienacareer.
So you know your first coupleof years there, rob leaves, fran
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comes in you mentioned it was alittle bit of an upheaval in
the program.
He brings a lot of you, newplayers in an amazing core that
you end up playing with.
How was it like playing Frannow, of course, at Iowa?
Speaker 2 (11:29):
what was it like playing for Fran who, let's be
honest, a legendary coach atSiena, there's no question yeah,
I didn't know much about coachMcCaffrey at all coming in, uh,
but I trusted Siena and I justwasn't leaving Sienna, like it
just is what it is.
I was happy there it was.
I was the type of person that Ialways said the only way I'm
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going to sit out because at thatpoint if you transferred you
had to sit out a year, right,like.
So I was just the type ofperson I love basketball so much
and I played it every day thatif I sat out I wanted to be
because I'm injured or I'm hurt.
I'm not going to sit out justbecause a coach left.
That stuff happens in life.
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So he was great.
He was great.
I know he didn't recruit me,but I still had confidence in
myself that I will be able toplay not only with the kids that
he was going to bring in, butat the level of the mid-major
MAAC conference.
So whoever was coming in, Iknew I was going to be able to
compete.
I already had a year under italready and I was happy that I
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stayed.
Obviously, there was some upsand downs, some on the court and
off the court issues.
For those people that don'tknow, coach McCaffrey wasn't
really a fan of my braids andyou know me having, you know the
braids that I kind of loved andsome of it came from high
school and being an alan iversonfan and you know a lot of
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people were, you know, we kindof I loved ai.
I mean, we kind of, uh, asathletes we all have people we
idolize, but it wasn't somethingthat he was very fond of and
I'm okay with having theseconversations because it's in my
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documentary that you know mydoc, that was done for me and
Coach McCaffrey we talk about itall the time.
But I was very committed to hisyou know his standards and also
to Sienna.
And then all of a sudden I justcut my hair and it's hair, you
know, to some people, to somepeople, it means something to
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them.
For me it was a symbol becausepeople would say, oh, that guy
with the braids, yeah, he's good, what's his name?
But I had something thatseparated me from other people
but at the same time I wasn'tgoing to let that take away from
my education and my time atSiena.
So I'm happy I made thatdecision.
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As you can see, it was going togo anyway.
So it doesn't even matter, butit's much bigger than the game
of basketball, and CoachMcCaffrey taught me about life,
and he taught me about how to bea man and how to be a leader,
and sometimes there's thingsthat we need to do and you know,
those are the coaches that youneed in your life.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
You know it's.
It's remarkable to sort of hearthose stories.
And Tay, it's, you know.
You look back, it's, you know,16 years ago, at that point you
know you're a man now.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
You know what I?
Speaker 1 (14:27):
mean, you got two kids, you got a wife, you got a
house.
It's remarkable that you couldsort of reflect back on that and
talk about it, because I don'tcorrect me if I'm wrong and I
know you.
I don't know you as well asmaybe I think I do right, but I
know you pretty well.
Would I think I do right, but Iknow you pretty well?
Would you have been able todiscuss that 10 years ago
publicly?
It took you a little while tounderstand, right?
Speaker 2 (14:51):
Am I right?
It took me a while because atthe end of the day as a kid and
even to this day, it's like whatdid that have to do with how I
performed?
But at the end of the day, Imade the decision.
I made the decision and, like Isaid to you before, it was a
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decision that I'm happy that Imade.
Number one a new coach came in,new players came in.
Everything was new and I feltlike at that point, I needed to
be a new version of myself aswell.
The Tay with the braids was sohigh school.
It was a one-year Sienna.
I was looking at the future of.
Okay, if I'm in this new era,I'm going to go ahead and do
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this and, at the same time, he'smy coach.
He's a new coach.
I want him what I'm about to do, even though I don't really
agree with it.
I want you to know I'm your man, you're committed.
You're in, I'm committed, right,you know what I mean.
So me doing that was me sayingI know you didn't recruit me,
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but I'm here and look whathappened three years later and
to this day we're really cool.
We're family still and look thesuccess that we had.
Even the picture that you seethat's the most iconic picture,
probably at Siena is him pickingme up, walking my feet, hugging
me in such joy because we havewent through so much together in
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those three years, knowing Iwasn't one of his recruits, and
him saying you are probably oneof the biggest stars at Siena
that we've had and you know I'mthankful.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
I'm thinking of that man.
It gets me a little shook.
Not going to lie, because thatphoto is so iconic.
And for those that don't knowwhat he's talking about, walk
around downtown Albany.
It's on the.
You see it usually hanging onlike the light posts right
outside of the arena and allover the inside of the arena and
on the Siena campus.
So you're right, that is suchan iconic photo.
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You're in his arms and he'shugging you.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
What a great photo that is.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
So Tay Kingston, only about an hour from here, you're
part of the Siena community.
Talk about how much thiscommunity I mean because I
remember I was at, I was doingtelevision, I was at Channel 10
when you were at Siena and thendid the radio show Sound Off
with Sync Off.
I remember you were like youwere so good with the media, you
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were so good with the fans, yougot it Like you understood sort
of your role as a basketballambassador.
How talk about how the fansembraced you and how comfortable
they made you feel because,let's face it, you weren't in
kingston anymore, dorothy, right, I mean you weren't, you were
in a different area.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
Loudonville ain't kingston, yeah but that's the
reason why I still live in thiscapital region right now, right,
and my wife and I chose to cometo this area because it's home.
It's a second home for me.
I feel comfortable here.
When I played at Siena, I canstill hear the fans on their
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feet when I got in the game, orsomething you know on their feet
when I got in the game, orsomething you know, or when I
hit a shot, because they allknew that I was the definition
of Sienna during that era.
You know, I was there and Irepresented the program the
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right way.
I never did anything that madethem question who I was on or
off the court.
Um, and I was an ambassadorwith them before.
I was an ambassador with theglobe charters or anything else,
like I already.
I was already.
I was already doing it.
So, um, I was doing thecommunity stuff.
I was going to the schools I wasgoing to visit, as a Sienna
like coach would always say Tay,you're the leader, this is what
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you're going to do, can yougrab this?
Can you do that?
I was his guy and Siena, sienafans embrace me and I'm thankful
for that because, as a player,you know that there's times
where you lose your confidence,whether you're missing shots,
whether there's a problem, youjust never know.
But every time I played in thatarena, man, I'm telling you I
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was just.
It just felt good.
It felt good and I still playedthere, even with the
Globetrotters.
Every year we played there andwhen I did, it felt like I was
that young kid back in the gymagain, with the fans screaming
my name or cheering orthree-point goal, tay Fisher.
I mean, I still hear it andit's pretty amazing and I'm
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thankful for that.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
Tay, you obviously still live in the area.
You run your basketball campswhich we'll get into in a minute
.
You still get recognized allover the place.
What's that like that feelingof still being appreciated,
still being recognized and stillhonestly being loved by the
capital region?
That's gotta be cool, rightyeah?
Speaker 2 (19:48):
that is cool.
I say that because when yougraduate from college and you go
on with your professionalcareer, you're forgotten, not in
a bad way, but they'll.
They'll ask the questions suchas what is that kid, by the way?
Hey, how's he doing, is hedoing?
No, for my career I chose adifferent path.
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I've done things differently.
I never really followed I'm nota follower.
I always do things differentlyand sometimes it could be right,
it could be wrong, but I havemy own mind and I have my own
life and my chapters and my life.
It led me to the Globetrotters,which I think was a big part of
keeping my name in the area,because I always came home and I
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still stayed on the radio or onTV and I played in the same gym
and I always was in thecommunity.
And then, on top of that, I didall my community stuff here in
the area, even though it wasn'tfull time.
It was enough for people toknow I didn't forget about you.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
So I think, going with the Globetrotters, is
probably the best decision I wasable to make to be able to
still be very popular,well-known in the community, and
let people know that I'm notgoing nowhere, tay, it literally
leads me to my next question.
That is my big surprise.
You join, you leave Siena, youleave Siena.
This is awesome bud.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
It's a nice jersey.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
A good friend of mine gave that to me, or you know
whatever.
It's awesome and we'll talkabout the Globetrotters.
We're going to talk about themnow, but I'll talk about my
experience with theGlobetrotters.
But anyway, you leave Siennaand O8, how on earth did the
Globetrotters come about?
Like, explain how you get atryout with them.
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You make the team like how doesthat happen?
Speaker 2 (21:42):
Um, again, everything is about that one shining
moment, like we talked about atKingston, when I scored at 61
points.
Sienna recruited me.
Everyone else startedrecruiting me as well, but for
the Globetrotters, it was themwatching me play against Ryder
in the championship on my 22ndbirthday.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
You went nuts in that game at the TU Center At the
time which led us to Vanderbilt,which then I went 66.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
But I had games like that that showed that I can play
on a big stage and I wasprepared and at the same time, I
was still showing personality,which has always been my thing.
I always was a class clown inschool.
I was always always happy, Iwas always the funny guy and
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people saw that on the court andthe Globetrotters were watching
them games, just like they dothe dunk contest.
If they won dunkers, you justnever know.
And they drafted me in 2008.
And what people don't know isthat when I graduated from Siena
, I didn't know where to go forbasketball and I started my
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education at the College of StRose to be a teacher.
People don't even know that Iwasn't actually in class and
going and after I got doneworking out, that's when the
Globetrotters reached out to me.
So I went to the tryout in 2008while I was still at the
College of St Rose and thentried out for the team.
Another thing that people don'tknow is I didn't even make the
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team my first year, so peopledon't even know that they do now
.
Yeah, they do now.
The reason why we have thesepodcasts and these conversations
is I completed my first year atthe College of St Rose.
The Globetrotters called meback to give me another
opportunity and I never lookedback since.
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And I tell people all the timeit might not work out your first
time, you might not do wellyour first time, and I thought I
did great my first time.
But I got another opportunityand another chance and I made
sure that they took me and I wasable to be Firefly and do 10
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years in 50 states, 75 countries.
Come on, man, a kid from theinner city who couldn't even
leave his house because ofthings that my parents were
concerned about, with thestreets taking me away.
I'm now all over the world andthat became my new education, my
new teacher, and now I'm ableto share more than what the
basketball, what I'm able to doon the basketball court.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
I mean it's, it's amazing best, it is you know I
made in my life and and I'm I'mtelling you as a suburban kid
from outside of Washington DC,I'll hold up the jersey again
because I'll never tell you.
I'm telling you we've had youand I have had conversations
about the Globetrotters, becauseyou know how enamored I am with
these guys.
The capital center, right,landover, maryland, where the
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bullets and the capitals playedright, that's kind of near where
I grew up and my mom.
They would come every year inmarch in the dc area yeah and my
birthday present every year wasmy mom giving me tickets to go
to the globetrotters.
Now, that's when they had curlyneil and um uh don, what was
his name?
Don, sweet Lou.
Um uh, who else?
Speaker 2 (25:07):
Um give me some other guys.
You have metal or lemon on it.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
Uh, metal art?
No, I think he might've been,like he might've been there, but
he wasn't.
You know like reallyparticipating just kind of like
an ambassador.
But curly, curly was like myfavorite.
Um, uh, you know, uh, sweet Lou, sweet lou.
Um, done was dunbar, was that aname?
yeah, that was sweet lou dunbaryeah, yeah, yeah, I love those
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guys.
They had a cartoon.
They had a cartoon they likewith scooby-doo and stuff, and
like, I met these guys.
Man, I was, and I lovebasketball.
Obviously I'm a short dude, but, like, I always loved
basketball, I played, you knowwhatever, and I just met these
guys.
Man, I was, and I lovebasketball.
Obviously I'm a short dude, butlike I always love basketball,
I played, you know whatever, andI just met these guys and I'm
just what I'm trying to do isI'm relating it to you and when
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you met the kids because Iremember as a little kid meeting
curly, taking pictures andautographs, and it was like
bring the biggest smile on myface, you know my mom would get
me the tickets and it would.
We'd have to wait like a monthand every morning I woke up and
asked when we're going to theglobetrotters I'm not even
kidding, like to this day I handto god man.
I loved him as a kid and I waslike that was the prime
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globetrotters era you know whatI mean?
Yeah, and I know that you hadthat impact on kids, didn't you?
And and even adults like me,probably like parents, like
remembering their days, right,what was that like?
Sort of when you saw those kidsyou know, wide-eyed, going oh
my gosh, it's a globetrotter infront of me.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
Yeah, no, it's hard to explain unless you put on
that red, white and blue becauseyou're really turning into
Superman.
You really are.
And those kids, it's almostlike you can't do wrong because
they look up to you.
So when you are accepted intothat Globetrotter family they
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don't just let anybody wear that.
There's too much history.
I think at this time, right now, it might be 96 years, 98 years
, I don't really know.
Off the top of my head.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
It's almost 100.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
It's almost 100 years of rich history that you got to
make sure the right people whoput on that uniform is going to
represent the right way.
I was one of those guys and Idid it for 10 years.
Some people don't even last 10days, not only because of the
hard schedule that we go through, which is hard, you know.
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We play every single day,sometimes twice a day.
We travel all around the world.
That's a hard schedule forpeople to be able to manage, but
you've got to have it.
I don't know what that is, butit's more than just the
basketball skills.
It's the smile, it's thecharisma.
It's the charisma, it's thecharacter, it's the speaking,
it's a little bit of everything.
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And then I learned how to spinthe ball on my finger.
I learned tricks.
I can spin the ball on my head.
I can put it all through mybody.
It's just amazing the thingsthat I was able to learn and
that's from the veterans mebeing creative and using my mind
, because obviously I still havean image of I want people to
remember me by, like they did,curly with his bald head right
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and having Curly as my mentor.
That was very, very, very big.
We would do PR together andtravel for like 10 days to, like
Virginia and other places.
We would stay in the hotelstogether, just me and him, and
he would just update me on thehistory and say you know, tay,
you guys are so happy and luckyto be able to stay in this rich
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hotel.
We had to go from door to doorand ask people if we could just
stay in their house, just tocontinue on the road.
Like those are the small thingsthat I don't think people
really understand, and I'm apart of history.
In February, when we talk aboutBlack History Month and we talk
about Martin Luther King andall of the other
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African-American leaders, theHarlem Globe charters have to be
in that discussion and I thinkthat's something I do want to
bring to you know schools andeverything, because I think
they're missing out on somehistory that they should be a
part of and and what I think isso cool about the Globetrotters.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
You know it.
Look, admittedly I'm thesuburban white kid, right I mean
, who lived in the suburbs ofMaryland.
I idolized these guys like Ididn't.
You know what I mean.
I think the Globetrotters ascorny as this sounds, tay and
you probably saw, color wasn'teven a thing.
You know what I'm saying.
I never even thought, oh curly,like these were my heroes and I
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think that's pretty cool youknow, especially being in your
shoes, that you know you havesomeone that may not look like
you, idolizes you or maybeidolizes is a bad term but
admires you and just has thisfond feeling about you.
That's a pretty powerful thingthat sports can do for human
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beings.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
That sports can do and that's the reason why every
time they Again, we already kindof talked about how I'm not
playing anymore, but that's thereason why, whenever they come
home, I bring kids from myprograms there, because I need
them to see it and I like to sitback and watch it as well.
Not to mention that I have ason who I never really realized.
(30:20):
I knew I made an impact.
I knew kids loved it.
I knew they went home and theywore their wristband and they
loved it.
But now I'm actually seeing ithappen in my house.
Now he wouldn't take off hiswristbands.
He'll talk about it every day.
He'll ask me can I just playSweet Georgia Brown?
He'll just.
It's those little things thatI'm like wow, is this what I was
(30:40):
doing to these kids?
This is crazy.
And again, this is that part ofsitting back and reflecting on
what I was a part of and still apart of to this day, because
once you're a Globetrotter,you're always a Globetrotter, so
I'm happy that I was able to bea part of that type of
environment.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
So, tay, let's.
I'm going to put you on thespot here.
You're, one of your favoritememories is a globetrotter.
I know you have hundreds.
Is there any favorite countryyou've visited?
Favorite memory?
I mean, I imagine you'reprobably entertaining people.
You're entertaining and some ofthe people don't even
understand English.
Right, seriously, right,seriously right.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
Yeah, I mean, the good thing about the Globe
Charters is you don't, we'll go.
Let's just say we go to Spain.
I'll just give that an example,and we're obviously not fluent
in Spanish, but we will try tolearn it, and even if we mess up
, they will clap just for tryingit right, because it's the
whole part of the process.
But at the same time, though, asmile is universal, right?
(31:48):
We don't have to speak yourlanguage.
We can do things that make yousmile, such as spinning a ball
on our finger right, like that,right there, smile, boom, we got
you already right, and that'swithout even saying a word.
Not too many people or ororganizations have that power to
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do that, and I can say that Ido, and one of my favorite
countries probably Egypt.
I think it's because I learnedabout King Tut, I learned about
things.
I learned about all of that inschool, and now I'm there and
the pictures that I have theylook Photoshopped because they
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look so great and I'm like wow,like I can't believe I'm
actually here.
Um, but on top of that, one ofthe coolest moments I got so
many of them, but one of thehighlights that I always looked
forward to every year was goingto entertain the troops, loved
it, I loved it.
And they would always say, tay,you're going to entertain the
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troops, loved it, I loved it.
And they would always say Tay,you're going to entertain the
troops because you know theywill pick players.
But they said you do such agreat job, they love you over
there.
You're going, and I loved itbecause we brought a smile to
them during the holiday seasons.
We're away from our families,they're away from their families
.
Every year, we would change ourlocation.
So we'll either go to Asia, um.
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We'll go to, uh, europe and um,or we'll go to Afghanistan, uh.
So we'll always change it upevery year.
And I'm gonna tell you rightnow it's different everywhere
you go.
You know some bases, such asEurope.
They have their family there.
You know other places, like youknow, go to Afghanistan or
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something.
They don't.
So we were able to sleep in thetents, we were able to see how
it felt to be there, wow, and Iain't gonna lie, I was ready to
go.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
I mean that had all jokes aside, that had to be very
eye-opening.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
It was.
It was, you know, things thatwe couldn't do like.
We couldn't use social media,we couldn't post pictures,
because that could be a target.
Security rights yeah security,for security reasons.
You know, wow, it was just manlike.
And I always think to myself Iknow we can make kids smile.
How the heck are we going tomake these grown men and women
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smile?
And I kid you not, they werethe biggest little kids that you
can have at a show.
That's when I knew this wasreal.
I said, wow, this is a realthing right here.
So those are some of the fondestmemories that I had and I loved
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it and I enjoyed it.
But I miss Thanksgiving forthose things we always have
Christmas morning.
I miss birthdays, I missholidays.
I miss so much, but it wasn'tbecause of the Globetrotter.
It's just a part of being anathlete.
You just miss certain specialdays.
That's the reason why, now thatI'm not playing, I don't miss
those days anymore, because Imake them very valuable, because
I knew how it felt to miss mywife's birthday, my son's
birthday, whoever.
It is Christmas morning seeingthe kids open up their stuff
sitting at the table forThanksgiving with my family.
So I value those little, smallthings because I knew that they
weren't a part of my life for solong, because I had a job I had
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to do.
Speaker 1 (35:10):
Right, tay, I know a question that you probably have
answered a hundred times, and italways blows my mind how on
earth the Globetrotterspracticed what they do on the
court, you hitting those fourpoint shots, the half court
shots, the dunks, I mean it is.
And, let's face it, you guysare good basketball players too,
(35:31):
so there's the show aspect andthen the game aspect.
I imagine it takes a lot ofpractice, but I was always
fascinated by that.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
It takes a lot of practice, like it was almost a
requirement your first threeyears.
You have to take a basketballto your room, you have to Yep.
If you left your basketball onthe bus they will call you and
say, hey, you left your ball, goget it.
So we had to feel comfortablewith that ball.
I would be in the room justspinning the ball on my finger,
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trying things.
It was hard, man.
It's like learning basketballall over again, but, man, it's
so rewarding In the GlobeCharters.
Out of everything that it taughtme, it taught me about
consistency.
That's a life lesson Beconsistent.
That taught me consistency,because we played every day,
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sometimes twice a day, and itwas always a new crowd coming to
see you and sometimes it wouldbe their only time coming to see
you, because we only came oncea year, or it was their first
time, or it could be their lasttime watching us, you never know
.
So we had to be likeprofessionals perfection every
single day.
(36:43):
And it kind of translated intomy life now, which is why you're
like.
You're one of the happiestpeople that I ever see.
You know what?
And I am?
Do I have bad days?
Yeah, I do.
Am I tired at times.
Yeah, I do.
I'm a human, but I know when toshut it down and I know when to
be on, and it's because theGlobe Charters have taught me
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that type of life and that's askill.
Speaker 1 (37:06):
And you certainly are successful in life.
Tay, tell us about what you'redoing right now.
I know you got your basketballcamps, promote those.
Just break down what TayFisher's doing and
congratulations.
I know you have a gym now inTroy yeah, I do?
Speaker 2 (37:21):
I have a gym in Troy.
This used to be the SanAugustine, the old building.
It's right across the streetactually from the Boys and Girls
Club at Lantenburg.
My partner is Julie McBride,who played at Catholic High,
went to Syracuse, had a greatcareer there.
She's an awesome person.
So we're together, trying tocreate memories and have our own
(37:44):
place together to be able toprovide the kids something.
But my basketball camps 20years.
I'm celebrating 20 years thisyear.
Wow, 20 years of my basketballcamp.
But I have basketball leagues,I have an AAU team, I have
clinics.
I have so much going on now thatI'm not playing that me being
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on the globe charters.
I was gone nine months out ofthe year, but now I'm home every
day, all the time.
So now I'm making my programslast throughout the year and I'm
very excited to be able to havethat.
I have a son that's four yearsold.
I have a daughter that's sixmonths.
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So now being a father, I meanthat's my favorite's my favorite
job, man, Like I love it andyou would know as well.
I mean you know you broughtyour son to the game and
everything and you enjoyed itand I see how great of a father
you are and I'm happy that youknow.
I was able to enjoy my lifebecause now I can dedicate
(38:48):
everything to my family rightnow.
The only thing I regret and Idon't want to say regret,
because that's not a good wordto say is I just wish that I was
able to play and he was able towatch me.
That's the only thing Now.
Would he have remembered?
Probably not, but I would havehad pictures and we would have
had something to remembertogether.
But at the same time, covid hitand I left when he was born and
(39:13):
when we talked about going tocollege, you know when it's,
you'll know when it's the rightcollege.
At the same time, I also knewwhen it was time to go and I
left at the right time, when itwas time for me.
I left on good terms and Ididn't want to force something
and I did my 10 years and, likeI said, it was time to open up a
(39:35):
new chapter in my life, man,and uh, I'm not going to say
that it was a bad decision.
I'm very happy with thedecision that I made.
Speaker 1 (39:45):
And Tay, we're going to put on the screen, we'll put
give.
Give us the website for yourbasketball camp.
Speaker 2 (39:50):
How can people?
Speaker 1 (39:51):
reach out to you.
Speaker 2 (39:52):
Yep, it's just tayfishercom tayfishercom.
Speaker 1 (39:56):
Tayfishercom.
Speaker 2 (39:57):
And then you'll see, you know all of the all the
offerings that I have.
Yep, Just continue to follow itthroughout the year as more
things will start coming up year, as more things will start
coming up.
Facebook is a big thing for meas well.
Tay Fisher, Basketball.
You know so many differentsocial media platforms now that
we can have to not only promoteour businesses but also just to
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share important things like thisthat people can follow as well.
Even if you don't likebasketball, you can just follow
my life.
You know, that's what I like.
Speaker 1 (40:29):
You have a great message and you're very positive
and that's what I love aboutyou.
And you know, I, I I followyour social media and it's so
funny to see like people that Iknow that you know, I didn't
know, have a connection to youand they comment on your page
because they sent their kid toyour camp.
I was like, oh my god, he has,like you, have, like your, your
(40:53):
handprints in every community inthe capital region.
I think that is so cool.
I'm like, literally I lookevery day and I'm like, oh my
gosh, her daughter went to totay's camp and his son was at
taste wow, look at these.
So that's great.
That is that shows you've kindof made it, tay, that you've
been able to really implantyourself into this community.
Speaker 2 (41:12):
I treat everybody's kid like they're mine, you know.
I just hope that as my son getsolder, I can go ahead and give
(41:33):
him to someone else like myselfwho can also help him as well.
That's the whole goal, man.
We all help each other and wekeep this thing going.
So then that way, the future isbright for our young ones to be
able to be successful as well.
Speaker 1 (41:46):
Well, tay, I really appreciate it.
Man, you're a good guy.
You're a good guy, you're agood father.
You have a beautiful family.
Say hi to your bride and yourkids for me and we're going to
keep following you.
Keep smiling and again, Ireally appreciate you taking the
time with me here on SoundOffice Sing Call.
Speaker 2 (42:04):
Thank you.
I appreciate you having meagain and sharing all of these
new and adventurous things thatI have going on in the past.
It's always good to reminiscewith good friends like you, so
thank you.
Speaker 1 (42:16):
All right, that is Tay Fisher.
Tay, hang with me for onesecond.
I'm just going to say goodbyehere.
That is it for SoundOff withSinkOff.
Tayfishercom is the website.
Tay's a great guy, so check itout if you got kids and, as he
said, even if you don't.
Just good positivity, goodpositive vibes and let's go
Globetrotters, Thank you.
(42:38):
Thank you everyone for watchinghere.
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I'm Brian Sinkoff.
You have a great day.
And hello and welcome everybody to Sound Off with
Sync Off.
I am your host, brian Syncoff,and of course, sound Off with
Syncoff is sponsored by theSyncoff Realty course, a
legendary basketball player fromSiena College.
He is a former HarlemGlobetrotter and this weekend
(00:31):
he's going to be inducted to theNew York State Basketball Hall
of Fame.
Tay, what is up, my man?
How are you, buddy?
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Brian, what's going on?
How are you?
Speaker 1 (00:39):
Good, I'm doing well, tay.
It's so good to see you, tayand I, a little bit of inside
baseball for you, tay and I.
We've been friends for a verylong time Geez, I want to say
probably almost 20 years sinceyou were in Siena back in the
day.
So our relationship goes back along time and, Tay, I can tell
you this those that knowbasketball, those that don't
(01:01):
know basketball it is alwaysnice to see your smiling face
because you literally areprobably one of the happiest
human beings I've ever met in mylife.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
That's a good thing, not even a joke.
Thank you for saying that.
That's a great thing.
Thank you for having me on thisas well.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Yeah, no problem, tay .
Tay, let's talk a little bitabout what we got coming up, or
what you got coming up thisSunday That'll be for those
watching on the podcast.
May 21st, in the Capital Region, you're going to be inducted to
the New York State BasketballHall of Fame in Troy at the
Hilton Garden Inn.
I know it's a prestigious honorfor you.
Tell us what that was like,getting the call to go in and
(01:40):
then just sort of reflectingback on what it means to you.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
It's definitely an honor to be able to be inducted
in the New York State Hall ofFame for basketball it's I still
haven't really.
Since retiring from theGlobetrotters, I haven't really
reflected too much on my careerbecause things have been so
crazy in my life.
Once I stopped playing, covidhit, then I had a son, and then
we just moved up to the CapitalRegion and just so much has just
(02:11):
been happening all at once.
So people would always ask mehave I had a chance to really
sit back and just think about mycareer?
And the answer is no, notreally.
But on top of that I'm stilldoing a lot of basketball
programs for the kids.
But at the same time I comehome I look at pictures, I look
(02:32):
at videos.
They're on my phone.
There's YouTube.
There's so much other thingsgoing on that's in the world
right now with technology thatit reminds me.
They'll bring me back to thosegreat memories.
So even though I haven'treflected on it, there are
things that I haven't forgottenthat still makes a difference
today tay, of course, fromkingston.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Uh played at sienna and some of those great sienna
teams, uh the mid, uh, you know,mid 2000s uh went to ncaa
tournaments.
Tay, you were there at Sienafrom 2004 to 2008.
You had 229 three-pointers,second only to Scott Knapp.
You basically lit it up in theNCAA tournament 2008 Vanderbilt
(03:20):
the upset win.
You have six three-pointers.
Go back to your time at Siena.
We'll talk about the Vanderbiltgame in a second.
Go back to your time at SienaWe'll talk about the Vanderbilt
game in a second.
But go back to your time atSiena and sort of how you grew,
not only as a player, but yougrew a lot as a person, didn't
you?
Speaker 2 (03:34):
Yeah, definitely Siena was.
It was in reality it should befor college.
For any kid it's four years ofgrowth and once I stepped on
that campus I was no longer thatKingston kid, you know, like 18
year old kid anymore, becausereality have set with how I'm
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going to be as a student athlete.
And if I had to take anythingaway from that, I always knew I
was a great basketball player.
I knew it.
I mean, I had the confidence inmyself very humble, but I knew
what my game was able to providefor me on the court.
Basketball was probably.
The court, to be honest with youwas probably the safest place
(04:16):
that I was able to be at as ayoung kid, which is why I felt
comfortable on the court.
It was the off the court stuffthat I wasn't really sure if I
was going to be able to do.
So for me to be able to go toSiena, stay there, do good in
school, get my degree that wasthe highlight of my time at
(04:36):
Siena Me doing what I did atVanderbilt, me scoring all those
threes, me being a leader,being the captain of the team
all of the success I had atSiena on the court.
It wasn't a surprise, because Icame from having success
already at Kingston High Schooland then Siena.
I kind of had the confidence inmyself to know what I was going
(04:56):
to do.
But to have it all cometogether as one, I feel like
that was probably the hugeaccomplishment for me.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
Tay, you talked about that kid that went to Siena and
you were the safest and I hearthat from so many basketball
players really a lot of athletes, but especially basketball
players.
You have that safe court whereit's yours, you're comfortable.
You came to Siena.
You were the first.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but Ibelieve you were the first
member of your family to get acollege education right.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
What was it like for you growing up and knowing that
college would be an outlet foryou that maybe others in your
family didn't have a chance?
What was Tay Fisher's life likegrowing?
Speaker 2 (05:37):
up.
Growing up, I grew up in aninner city where there wasn't
much to do.
I mean, all I saw was drugs andviolence and just I mean,
really, what I'm saying is nodifferent than what we will see
in the capital region as well,in a lot of other places.
So if people understand andthey know, they can relate and
(06:01):
they know what I have to saywith that.
So going to the Boys and GirlsClub was my safe place, which we
have a lot of them in thecapital region, whether it's in
Albany or Troy or whatever, andthen we have multiple YMCAs as
well.
But again, the Boys and GirlsClub was my safe place.
That's where my love for thegame started.
That's where I knew I was goingto be safe, because I knew I
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didn't have to have the streetstake me away like I've done
other people and let's be honest, there's many great athletes
out there who wasn't fortunateto have other things take them
away from their greatness.
So I could have been anotherstatistic, but there were people
(06:41):
in places in my community thatnever let me go down that route
and I thank them for that tothis day.
And that's the reason why Itake pride in what I do because
some people they don't get paidto take care of us, right, they
don't want the limelight, theydon't want to be acknowledged,
(07:03):
they do it because they have agood heart.
And I got to make sure that Ido that same thing for other
kids.
But at the same time I got tomake sure I don't go down the
wrong path, because I appreciatewhat they have done for me.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
Was it hard and Tay, this is good stuff here Was it
hard for you to stay on theright path?
I mean, did you look at an endgame, like Siena?
I'm sure you hear the stories.
Hey, we're doing this tonight.
You're like, no, I'd rathershoot baskets.
Was there that sort of linewhere everyone went like this?
And maybe, Tay, you went likethis?
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Yeah, it definitely did.
But what was different in mylife was the people that went
this way, and I went this way.
Those same people were the onestelling me don't go this way,
Tay.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
Go your way, right.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
So some people don't have that, but my friends that I
have to this day.
Maybe they went the wrong way,but they're my friends because
they helped me go the other way.
Way, but they're my friendsbecause they helped me go the
other way.
And every time they see mesucceed, they feel like they
succeeded because they were thesame kids that stayed over my
house.
They were the same kids whowoke up in the morning to work
out with me.
(08:13):
They were the same kids thatstayed up late.
They were the ones in my class.
I do not forget my friends thatI grew up with.
I'm not that type of person thatsays, hey, you went this way, I
went that way.
No, I'm not that type of personthat says, hey, you went this
way, I went that way.
No, if you made a difference inmy life, I make sure you stay
in it, and I'm a very loyalperson.
I'm a very committed person.
If you don't know that about me, just go back to my Siena time,
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when I could have left.
When everybody else left andCoach McCaffrey came in, I was
the only person that stayed.
So if I would have left, maybewe wouldn't be having these
conversations right now.
But for me being where I'm from, that college degree and that
full scholarship was above andbeyond my expectations.
(08:55):
I wasn't going to mess that upby just leaving the school and
trying to start all over again.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
How did it evolve?
Obviously McCaffrey didn'trecruit you, right?
Speaker 2 (09:07):
It was Rob Lanier.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
Rob Lanier was the previous coach, so how did you
get to Siena?
Take us back to that the yearbefore.
I guess it would have been acouple, actually two years
before McCaffrey got here.
How did you end up getting toSiena?
Speaker 2 (09:20):
Well, I had a great career at Kingston but the one
thing that I guess steeredSienna towards me was when I
scored 61 points against AlbanyHigh.
My senior year was the secondgame in our.
In our season we were in anAlbany tournament and I scored
(09:42):
61 points and we only won bylike five points.
So those 61 points was allneeded.
Some people they score 61points and they win by 61 points
.
That means coach was justtrying to keep you in.
You can rally up all thempoints, but every point was
needed.
It was a great accomplishment.
I got in Sports Illustrated andFaces in the Crowd for that.
Then Siena obviously Albany'sright in their backyard they
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said that's the kid we need.
And obviously I had otherschools but Rob Lanier, I had a
connection with him.
Sienna was close to home.
I wanted to be close to myparents, especially my mom, and
it was just the right fit.
And you know when it's theright fit, like no one can tell
you, you just feel it and youknow it and it's a choice that
I'm happy I made and I wouldn'tchange it if I had to do it all
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over again.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
And you know you bring that up.
It's funny I'm just going tobring this back to my life and
my son, my son's 15 now and he'sgoing to be a junior next year
and he's looking at colleges.
We're starting to get in thatpoint and I said you know he's,
you know dad, how do I know?
And I echoed literally what youjust said, tay.
I said zach, I said you'll knowwhen it's the right fit, like
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mom or dad can't tell you.
You know, you're just gonnaknow.
And I think that's so neat thatyou just said that.
And and you're obviously at adifferent level you're playing
college hoops, you're beingrecruited, recruited, you're
being courted, but your innerman, your inner core, just told
you that that was all you neededto know, tay.
Let's talk now about your Sienacareer.
So you know your first coupleof years there, rob leaves, fran
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comes in you mentioned it was alittle bit of an upheaval in
the program.
He brings a lot of you, newplayers in an amazing core that
you end up playing with.
How was it like playing Frannow, of course, at Iowa?
Speaker 2 (11:29):
what was it like playing for Fran who, let's be
honest, a legendary coach atSiena, there's no question yeah,
I didn't know much about coachMcCaffrey at all coming in, uh,
but I trusted Siena and I justwasn't leaving Sienna, like it
just is what it is.
I was happy there it was.
I was the type of person that Ialways said the only way I'm
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going to sit out because at thatpoint if you transferred you
had to sit out a year, right,like.
So I was just the type ofperson I love basketball so much
and I played it every day thatif I sat out I wanted to be
because I'm injured or I'm hurt.
I'm not going to sit out justbecause a coach left.
That stuff happens in life.
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So he was great.
He was great.
I know he didn't recruit me,but I still had confidence in
myself that I will be able toplay not only with the kids that
he was going to bring in, butat the level of the mid-major
MAAC conference.
So whoever was coming in, Iknew I was going to be able to
compete.
I already had a year under italready and I was happy that I
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stayed.
Obviously, there was some upsand downs, some on the court and
off the court issues.
For those people that don'tknow, coach McCaffrey wasn't
really a fan of my braids andyou know me having, you know the
braids that I kind of loved andsome of it came from high
school and being an alan iversonfan and you know a lot of
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people were, you know, we kindof I loved ai.
I mean, we kind of, uh, asathletes we all have people we
idolize, but it wasn't somethingthat he was very fond of and
I'm okay with having theseconversations because it's in my
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documentary that you know mydoc, that was done for me and
Coach McCaffrey we talk about itall the time.
But I was very committed to hisyou know his standards and also
to Sienna.
And then all of a sudden I justcut my hair and it's hair, you
know, to some people, to somepeople, it means something to
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them.
For me it was a symbol becausepeople would say, oh, that guy
with the braids, yeah, he's good, what's his name?
But I had something thatseparated me from other people
but at the same time I wasn'tgoing to let that take away from
my education and my time atSiena.
So I'm happy I made thatdecision.
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As you can see, it was going togo anyway.
So it doesn't even matter, butit's much bigger than the game
of basketball, and CoachMcCaffrey taught me about life,
and he taught me about how to bea man and how to be a leader,
and sometimes there's thingsthat we need to do and you know,
those are the coaches that youneed in your life.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
You know it's.
It's remarkable to sort of hearthose stories.
And Tay, it's, you know.
You look back, it's, you know,16 years ago, at that point you
know you're a man now.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
You know what I?
Speaker 1 (14:27):
mean, you got two kids, you got a wife, you got a
house.
It's remarkable that you couldsort of reflect back on that and
talk about it, because I don'tcorrect me if I'm wrong and I
know you.
I don't know you as well asmaybe I think I do right, but I
know you pretty well.
Would I think I do right, but Iknow you pretty well?
Would you have been able todiscuss that 10 years ago
publicly?
It took you a little while tounderstand, right?
Speaker 2 (14:51):
Am I right?
It took me a while because atthe end of the day as a kid and
even to this day, it's like whatdid that have to do with how I
performed?
But at the end of the day, Imade the decision.
I made the decision and, like Isaid to you before, it was a
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decision that I'm happy that Imade.
Number one a new coach came in,new players came in.
Everything was new and I feltlike at that point, I needed to
be a new version of myself aswell.
The Tay with the braids was sohigh school.
It was a one-year Sienna.
I was looking at the future of.
Okay, if I'm in this new era,I'm going to go ahead and do
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this and, at the same time, he'smy coach.
He's a new coach.
I want him what I'm about to do, even though I don't really
agree with it.
I want you to know I'm your man, you're committed.
You're in, I'm committed, right,you know what I mean.
So me doing that was me sayingI know you didn't recruit me,
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but I'm here and look whathappened three years later and
to this day we're really cool.
We're family still and look thesuccess that we had.
Even the picture that you seethat's the most iconic picture,
probably at Siena is him pickingme up, walking my feet, hugging
me in such joy because we havewent through so much together in
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those three years, knowing Iwasn't one of his recruits, and
him saying you are probably oneof the biggest stars at Siena
that we've had and you know I'mthankful.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
I'm thinking of that man.
It gets me a little shook.
Not going to lie, because thatphoto is so iconic.
And for those that don't knowwhat he's talking about, walk
around downtown Albany.
It's on the.
You see it usually hanging onlike the light posts right
outside of the arena and allover the inside of the arena and
on the Siena campus.
So you're right, that is suchan iconic photo.
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You're in his arms and he'shugging you.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
What a great photo that is.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
So Tay Kingston, only about an hour from here, you're
part of the Siena community.
Talk about how much thiscommunity I mean because I
remember I was at, I was doingtelevision, I was at Channel 10
when you were at Siena and thendid the radio show Sound Off
with Sync Off.
I remember you were like youwere so good with the media, you
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were so good with the fans, yougot it Like you understood sort
of your role as a basketballambassador.
How talk about how the fansembraced you and how comfortable
they made you feel because,let's face it, you weren't in
kingston anymore, dorothy, right, I mean you weren't, you were
in a different area.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
Loudonville ain't kingston, yeah but that's the
reason why I still live in thiscapital region right now, right,
and my wife and I chose to cometo this area because it's home.
It's a second home for me.
I feel comfortable here.
When I played at Siena, I canstill hear the fans on their
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feet when I got in the game, orsomething you know on their feet
when I got in the game, orsomething you know, or when I
hit a shot, because they allknew that I was the definition
of Sienna during that era.
You know, I was there and Irepresented the program the
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right way.
I never did anything that madethem question who I was on or
off the court.
Um, and I was an ambassadorwith them before.
I was an ambassador with theglobe charters or anything else,
like I already.
I was already.
I was already doing it.
So, um, I was doing thecommunity stuff.
I was going to the schools I wasgoing to visit, as a Sienna
like coach would always say Tay,you're the leader, this is what
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you're going to do, can yougrab this?
Can you do that?
I was his guy and Siena, sienafans embrace me and I'm thankful
for that because, as a player,you know that there's times
where you lose your confidence,whether you're missing shots,
whether there's a problem, youjust never know.
But every time I played in thatarena, man, I'm telling you I
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was just.
It just felt good.
It felt good and I still playedthere, even with the
Globetrotters.
Every year we played there andwhen I did, it felt like I was
that young kid back in the gymagain, with the fans screaming
my name or cheering orthree-point goal, tay Fisher.
I mean, I still hear it andit's pretty amazing and I'm
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thankful for that.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
Tay, you obviously still live in the area.
You run your basketball campswhich we'll get into in a minute
.
You still get recognized allover the place.
What's that like that feelingof still being appreciated,
still being recognized and stillhonestly being loved by the
capital region?
That's gotta be cool, rightyeah?
Speaker 2 (19:48):
that is cool.
I say that because when yougraduate from college and you go
on with your professionalcareer, you're forgotten, not in
a bad way, but they'll.
They'll ask the questions suchas what is that kid, by the way?
Hey, how's he doing, is hedoing?
No, for my career I chose adifferent path.
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I've done things differently.
I never really followed I'm nota follower.
I always do things differentlyand sometimes it could be right,
it could be wrong, but I havemy own mind and I have my own
life and my chapters and my life.
It led me to the Globetrotters,which I think was a big part of
keeping my name in the area,because I always came home and I
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still stayed on the radio or onTV and I played in the same gym
and I always was in thecommunity.
And then, on top of that, I didall my community stuff here in
the area, even though it wasn'tfull time.
It was enough for people toknow I didn't forget about you.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
So I think, going with the Globetrotters, is
probably the best decision I wasable to make to be able to
still be very popular,well-known in the community, and
let people know that I'm notgoing nowhere, tay, it literally
leads me to my next question.
That is my big surprise.
You join, you leave Siena, youleave Siena.
This is awesome bud.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
It's a nice jersey.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
A good friend of mine gave that to me, or you know
whatever.
It's awesome and we'll talkabout the Globetrotters.
We're going to talk about themnow, but I'll talk about my
experience with theGlobetrotters.
But anyway, you leave Siennaand O8, how on earth did the
Globetrotters come about?
Like, explain how you get atryout with them.
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You make the team like how doesthat happen?
Speaker 2 (21:42):
Um, again, everything is about that one shining
moment, like we talked about atKingston, when I scored at 61
points.
Sienna recruited me.
Everyone else startedrecruiting me as well, but for
the Globetrotters, it was themwatching me play against Ryder
in the championship on my 22ndbirthday.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
You went nuts in that game at the TU Center At the
time which led us to Vanderbilt,which then I went 66.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
But I had games like that that showed that I can play
on a big stage and I wasprepared and at the same time, I
was still showing personality,which has always been my thing.
I always was a class clown inschool.
I was always always happy, Iwas always the funny guy and
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people saw that on the court andthe Globetrotters were watching
them games, just like they dothe dunk contest.
If they won dunkers, you justnever know.
And they drafted me in 2008.
And what people don't know isthat when I graduated from Siena
, I didn't know where to go forbasketball and I started my
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education at the College of StRose to be a teacher.
People don't even know that Iwasn't actually in class and
going and after I got doneworking out, that's when the
Globetrotters reached out to me.
So I went to the tryout in 2008while I was still at the
College of St Rose and thentried out for the team.
Another thing that people don'tknow is I didn't even make the
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team my first year, so peopledon't even know that they do now
.
Yeah, they do now.
The reason why we have thesepodcasts and these conversations
is I completed my first year atthe College of St Rose.
The Globetrotters called meback to give me another
opportunity and I never lookedback since.
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And I tell people all the timeit might not work out your first
time, you might not do wellyour first time, and I thought I
did great my first time.
But I got another opportunityand another chance and I made
sure that they took me and I wasable to be Firefly and do 10
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years in 50 states, 75 countries.
Come on, man, a kid from theinner city who couldn't even
leave his house because ofthings that my parents were
concerned about, with thestreets taking me away.
I'm now all over the world andthat became my new education, my
new teacher, and now I'm ableto share more than what the
basketball, what I'm able to doon the basketball court.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
I mean it's, it's amazing best, it is you know I
made in my life and and I'm I'mtelling you as a suburban kid
from outside of Washington DC,I'll hold up the jersey again
because I'll never tell you.
I'm telling you we've had youand I have had conversations
about the Globetrotters, becauseyou know how enamored I am with
these guys.
The capital center, right,landover, maryland, where the
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bullets and the capitals playedright, that's kind of near where
I grew up and my mom.
They would come every year inmarch in the dc area yeah and my
birthday present every year wasmy mom giving me tickets to go
to the globetrotters.
Now, that's when they had curlyneil and um uh don, what was
his name?
Don, sweet Lou.
Um uh, who else?
Speaker 2 (25:07):
Um give me some other guys.
You have metal or lemon on it.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
Uh, metal art?
No, I think he might've been,like he might've been there, but
he wasn't.
You know like reallyparticipating just kind of like
an ambassador.
But curly, curly was like myfavorite.
Um, uh, you know, uh, sweet Lou, sweet lou.
Um, done was dunbar, was that aname?
yeah, that was sweet lou dunbaryeah, yeah, yeah, I love those
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guys.
They had a cartoon.
They had a cartoon they likewith scooby-doo and stuff, and
like, I met these guys.
Man, I was, and I lovebasketball.
Obviously I'm a short dude, but, like, I always loved
basketball, I played, you knowwhatever, and I just met these
guys.
Man, I was, and I lovebasketball.
Obviously I'm a short dude, butlike I always love basketball,
I played, you know whatever, andI just met these guys and I'm
just what I'm trying to do isI'm relating it to you and when
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you met the kids because Iremember as a little kid meeting
curly, taking pictures andautographs, and it was like
bring the biggest smile on myface, you know my mom would get
me the tickets and it would.
We'd have to wait like a monthand every morning I woke up and
asked when we're going to theglobetrotters I'm not even
kidding, like to this day I handto god man.
I loved him as a kid and I waslike that was the prime
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globetrotters era you know whatI mean?
Yeah, and I know that you hadthat impact on kids, didn't you?
And and even adults like me,probably like parents, like
remembering their days, right,what was that like?
Sort of when you saw those kidsyou know, wide-eyed, going oh
my gosh, it's a globetrotter infront of me.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
Yeah, no, it's hard to explain unless you put on
that red, white and blue becauseyou're really turning into
Superman.
You really are.
And those kids, it's almostlike you can't do wrong because
they look up to you.
So when you are accepted intothat Globetrotter family they
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don't just let anybody wear that.
There's too much history.
I think at this time, right now, it might be 96 years, 98 years
, I don't really know.
Off the top of my head.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
It's almost 100.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
It's almost 100 years of rich history that you got to
make sure the right people whoput on that uniform is going to
represent the right way.
I was one of those guys and Idid it for 10 years.
Some people don't even last 10days, not only because of the
hard schedule that we go through, which is hard, you know.
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We play every single day,sometimes twice a day.
We travel all around the world.
That's a hard schedule forpeople to be able to manage, but
you've got to have it.
I don't know what that is, butit's more than just the
basketball skills.
It's the smile, it's thecharisma.
It's the charisma, it's thecharacter, it's the speaking,
it's a little bit of everything.
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And then I learned how to spinthe ball on my finger.
I learned tricks.
I can spin the ball on my head.
I can put it all through mybody.
It's just amazing the thingsthat I was able to learn and
that's from the veterans mebeing creative and using my mind
, because obviously I still havean image of I want people to
remember me by, like they did,curly with his bald head right
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and having Curly as my mentor.
That was very, very, very big.
We would do PR together andtravel for like 10 days to, like
Virginia and other places.
We would stay in the hotelstogether, just me and him, and
he would just update me on thehistory and say you know, tay,
you guys are so happy and luckyto be able to stay in this rich
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hotel.
We had to go from door to doorand ask people if we could just
stay in their house, just tocontinue on the road.
Like those are the small thingsthat I don't think people
really understand, and I'm apart of history.
In February, when we talk aboutBlack History Month and we talk
about Martin Luther King andall of the other
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African-American leaders, theHarlem Globe charters have to be
in that discussion and I thinkthat's something I do want to
bring to you know schools andeverything, because I think
they're missing out on somehistory that they should be a
part of and and what I think isso cool about the Globetrotters.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
You know it.
Look, admittedly I'm thesuburban white kid, right I mean
, who lived in the suburbs ofMaryland.
I idolized these guys like Ididn't.
You know what I mean.
I think the Globetrotters ascorny as this sounds, tay and
you probably saw, color wasn'teven a thing.
You know what I'm saying.
I never even thought, oh curly,like these were my heroes and I
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think that's pretty cool youknow, especially being in your
shoes, that you know you havesomeone that may not look like
you, idolizes you or maybeidolizes is a bad term but
admires you and just has thisfond feeling about you.
That's a pretty powerful thingthat sports can do for human
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beings.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
That sports can do and that's the reason why every
time they Again, we already kindof talked about how I'm not
playing anymore, but that's thereason why, whenever they come
home, I bring kids from myprograms there, because I need
them to see it and I like to sitback and watch it as well.
Not to mention that I have ason who I never really realized.
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I knew I made an impact.
I knew kids loved it.
I knew they went home and theywore their wristband and they
loved it.
But now I'm actually seeing ithappen in my house.
Now he wouldn't take off hiswristbands.
He'll talk about it every day.
He'll ask me can I just playSweet Georgia Brown?
He'll just.
It's those little things thatI'm like wow, is this what I was
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doing to these kids?
This is crazy.
And again, this is that part ofsitting back and reflecting on
what I was a part of and still apart of to this day, because
once you're a Globetrotter,you're always a Globetrotter, so
I'm happy that I was able to bea part of that type of
environment.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
So, tay, let's.
I'm going to put you on thespot here.
You're, one of your favoritememories is a globetrotter.
I know you have hundreds.
Is there any favorite countryyou've visited?
Favorite memory?
I mean, I imagine you'reprobably entertaining people.
You're entertaining and some ofthe people don't even
understand English.
Right, seriously, right,seriously right.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
Yeah, I mean, the good thing about the Globe
Charters is you don't, we'll go.
Let's just say we go to Spain.
I'll just give that an example,and we're obviously not fluent
in Spanish, but we will try tolearn it, and even if we mess up
, they will clap just for tryingit right, because it's the
whole part of the process.
But at the same time, though, asmile is universal, right?
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We don't have to speak yourlanguage.
We can do things that make yousmile, such as spinning a ball
on our finger right, like that,right there, smile, boom, we got
you already right, and that'swithout even saying a word.
Not too many people or ororganizations have that power to
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do that, and I can say that Ido, and one of my favorite
countries probably Egypt.
I think it's because I learnedabout King Tut, I learned about
things.
I learned about all of that inschool, and now I'm there and
the pictures that I have theylook Photoshopped because they
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look so great and I'm like wow,like I can't believe I'm
actually here.
Um, but on top of that, one ofthe coolest moments I got so
many of them, but one of thehighlights that I always looked
forward to every year was goingto entertain the troops, loved
it, I loved it.
And they would always say, tay,you're going to entertain the
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troops, loved it, I loved it.
And they would always say Tay,you're going to entertain the
troops because you know theywill pick players.
But they said you do such agreat job, they love you over
there.
You're going, and I loved itbecause we brought a smile to
them during the holiday seasons.
We're away from our families,they're away from their families
.
Every year, we would change ourlocation.
So we'll either go to Asia, um.
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We'll go to, uh, europe and um,or we'll go to Afghanistan, uh.
So we'll always change it upevery year.
And I'm gonna tell you rightnow it's different everywhere
you go.
You know some bases, such asEurope.
They have their family there.
You know other places, like youknow, go to Afghanistan or
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something.
They don't.
So we were able to sleep in thetents, we were able to see how
it felt to be there, wow, and Iain't gonna lie, I was ready to
go.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
I mean that had all jokes aside, that had to be very
eye-opening.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
It was.
It was, you know, things thatwe couldn't do like.
We couldn't use social media,we couldn't post pictures,
because that could be a target.
Security rights yeah security,for security reasons.
You know, wow, it was just manlike.
And I always think to myself Iknow we can make kids smile.
How the heck are we going tomake these grown men and women
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smile?
And I kid you not, they werethe biggest little kids that you
can have at a show.
That's when I knew this wasreal.
I said, wow, this is a realthing right here.
So those are some of the fondestmemories that I had and I loved
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it and I enjoyed it.
But I miss Thanksgiving forthose things we always have
Christmas morning.
I miss birthdays, I missholidays.
I miss so much, but it wasn'tbecause of the Globetrotter.
It's just a part of being anathlete.
You just miss certain specialdays.
That's the reason why, now thatI'm not playing, I don't miss
those days anymore, because Imake them very valuable, because
I knew how it felt to miss mywife's birthday, my son's
birthday, whoever.
It is Christmas morning seeingthe kids open up their stuff
sitting at the table forThanksgiving with my family.
So I value those little, smallthings because I knew that they
weren't a part of my life for solong, because I had a job I had
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to do.
Speaker 1 (35:10):
Right, tay, I know a question that you probably have
answered a hundred times, and italways blows my mind how on
earth the Globetrotterspracticed what they do on the
court, you hitting those fourpoint shots, the half court
shots, the dunks, I mean it is.
And, let's face it, you guysare good basketball players too,
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so there's the show aspect andthen the game aspect.
I imagine it takes a lot ofpractice, but I was always
fascinated by that.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
It takes a lot of practice, like it was almost a
requirement your first threeyears.
You have to take a basketballto your room, you have to Yep.
If you left your basketball onthe bus they will call you and
say, hey, you left your ball, goget it.
So we had to feel comfortablewith that ball.
I would be in the room justspinning the ball on my finger,
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trying things.
It was hard, man.
It's like learning basketballall over again, but, man, it's
so rewarding In the GlobeCharters.
Out of everything that it taughtme, it taught me about
consistency.
That's a life lesson Beconsistent.
That taught me consistency,because we played every day,
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sometimes twice a day, and itwas always a new crowd coming to
see you and sometimes it wouldbe their only time coming to see
you, because we only came oncea year, or it was their first
time, or it could be their lasttime watching us, you never know
.
So we had to be likeprofessionals perfection every
single day.
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And it kind of translated intomy life now, which is why you're
like.
You're one of the happiestpeople that I ever see.
You know what?
And I am?
Do I have bad days?
Yeah, I do.
Am I tired at times.
Yeah, I do.
I'm a human, but I know when toshut it down and I know when to
be on, and it's because theGlobe Charters have taught me
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that type of life and that's askill.
Speaker 1 (37:06):
And you certainly are successful in life.
Tay, tell us about what you'redoing right now.
I know you got your basketballcamps, promote those.
Just break down what TayFisher's doing and
congratulations.
I know you have a gym now inTroy yeah, I do?
Speaker 2 (37:21):
I have a gym in Troy.
This used to be the SanAugustine, the old building.
It's right across the streetactually from the Boys and Girls
Club at Lantenburg.
My partner is Julie McBride,who played at Catholic High,
went to Syracuse, had a greatcareer there.
She's an awesome person.
So we're together, trying tocreate memories and have our own
(37:44):
place together to be able toprovide the kids something.
But my basketball camps 20years.
I'm celebrating 20 years thisyear.
Wow, 20 years of my basketballcamp.
But I have basketball leagues,I have an AAU team, I have
clinics.
I have so much going on now thatI'm not playing that me being
(38:04):
on the globe charters.
I was gone nine months out ofthe year, but now I'm home every
day, all the time.
So now I'm making my programslast throughout the year and I'm
very excited to be able to havethat.
I have a son that's four yearsold.
I have a daughter that's sixmonths.
(38:25):
So now being a father, I meanthat's my favorite's my favorite
job, man, Like I love it andyou would know as well.
I mean you know you broughtyour son to the game and
everything and you enjoyed itand I see how great of a father
you are and I'm happy that youknow.
I was able to enjoy my lifebecause now I can dedicate
(38:48):
everything to my family rightnow.
The only thing I regret and Idon't want to say regret,
because that's not a good wordto say is I just wish that I was
able to play and he was able towatch me.
That's the only thing Now.
Would he have remembered?
Probably not, but I would havehad pictures and we would have
had something to remembertogether.
But at the same time, covid hitand I left when he was born and
(39:13):
when we talked about going tocollege, you know when it's,
you'll know when it's the rightcollege.
At the same time, I also knewwhen it was time to go and I
left at the right time, when itwas time for me.
I left on good terms and Ididn't want to force something
and I did my 10 years and, likeI said, it was time to open up a
(39:35):
new chapter in my life, man,and uh, I'm not going to say
that it was a bad decision.
I'm very happy with thedecision that I made.
Speaker 1 (39:45):
And Tay, we're going to put on the screen, we'll put
give.
Give us the website for yourbasketball camp.
Speaker 2 (39:50):
How can people?
Speaker 1 (39:51):
reach out to you.
Speaker 2 (39:52):
Yep, it's just tayfishercom tayfishercom.
Speaker 1 (39:56):
Tayfishercom.
Speaker 2 (39:57):
And then you'll see, you know all of the all the
offerings that I have.
Yep, Just continue to follow itthroughout the year as more
things will start coming up year, as more things will start
coming up.
Facebook is a big thing for meas well.
Tay Fisher, Basketball.
You know so many differentsocial media platforms now that
we can have to not only promoteour businesses but also just to
(40:19):
share important things like thisthat people can follow as well.
Even if you don't likebasketball, you can just follow
my life.
You know, that's what I like.
Speaker 1 (40:29):
You have a great message and you're very positive
and that's what I love aboutyou.
And you know, I, I I followyour social media and it's so
funny to see like people that Iknow that you know, I didn't
know, have a connection to youand they comment on your page
because they sent their kid toyour camp.
I was like, oh my god, he has,like you, have, like your, your
(40:53):
handprints in every community inthe capital region.
I think that is so cool.
I'm like, literally I lookevery day and I'm like, oh my
gosh, her daughter went to totay's camp and his son was at
taste wow, look at these.
So that's great.
That is that shows you've kindof made it, tay, that you've
been able to really implantyourself into this community.
Speaker 2 (41:12):
I treat everybody's kid like they're mine, you know.
I just hope that as my son getsolder, I can go ahead and give
(41:33):
him to someone else like myselfwho can also help him as well.
That's the whole goal, man.
We all help each other and wekeep this thing going.
So then that way, the future isbright for our young ones to be
able to be successful as well.
Speaker 1 (41:46):
Well, tay, I really appreciate it.
Man, you're a good guy.
You're a good guy, you're agood father.
You have a beautiful family.
Say hi to your bride and yourkids for me and we're going to
keep following you.
Keep smiling and again, Ireally appreciate you taking the
time with me here on SoundOffice Sing Call.
Speaker 2 (42:04):
Thank you.
I appreciate you having meagain and sharing all of these
new and adventurous things thatI have going on in the past.
It's always good to reminiscewith good friends like you, so
thank you.
Speaker 1 (42:16):
All right, that is Tay Fisher.
Tay, hang with me for onesecond.
I'm just going to say goodbyehere.
That is it for SoundOff withSinkOff.
Tayfishercom is the website.
Tay's a great guy, so check itout if you got kids and, as he
said, even if you don't.
Just good positivity, goodpositive vibes and let's go
Globetrotters, Thank you.
(42:38):
Thank you everyone for watchinghere.
Sound off with Sink Offer forlistening on all your favorite
podcast websites.
I'm Brian Sinkoff.
You have a great day.
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