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This episode of the Soup Sandwich Podcast continues on from last episode where we discussed the recent election, but promises to unravel the complexities and paradoxes of such, laced with humor and heartfelt camaraderie. Featuring veterans like Manny Martinez and sharing personal stories from our guests, including El Salvadorian immigrant Giovanni, we dive into the nuances of veteran experiences and immigration reform. Join us as we remember Big Sexy Tim through his sticker tribute, sparking laughter as Billy fulfills our tradition of adding his name to our Soup Sandwich banner that hangs in AJ's Sky Lounge!

As the conversation unfolds, we tackle some of today's most pressing issues, from hate crime laws to media bias, highlighting the importance of understanding nuances in statistical data and political perceptions and biases. The chapter on police shootings and racial bias challenges listeners to consider the reliability of data sources and media reporting while exploring the interplay of race and political affiliations. On a lighter note, the banter about teaching a Marine about pay periods and the joys of extra paychecks offers a momentary respite from deeper topics, ensuring a balanced blend of serious dialogue and levity.

With a thoughtful examination of affirmative action, hiring practices, and immigration policies, our guests share insights into the balance of qualifications with diversity, providing a fresh perspective on historical and current challenges. Through anecdotal exchanges about the challenges of the immigration process, both in America and abroad, we aim to foster a deeper understanding of the immigrant experience. This episode of the Soup Sandwich Podcast is an engaging tapestry of personal narratives, societal critiques, and a celebration of the veteran community, inviting our listeners to reflect on the past and envision a future filled with camaraderie and understanding.

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Speaker 1 (00:03):
War is a paradox.
It has the power to bringnations together, to inspire
heroism and sacrifice and toforge bonds of camaraderie that
will span a lifetime, but italso has the power to tear
families apart, to shattercommunities and to leave scars
that will never fully heal.
And, for those who have served,the transition back to civilian

(00:27):
life can be one of the greatestchallenges they will ever face.
This is the typical life ofmilitary veterans, a world that
is both familiar and foreign tomost of us.
It is a world that is shaped byunique experiences, values and
traditions of the military andby the sacrifices and struggles
of those who have served, butit's also a world that Thank you

(00:47):
for joining us at Soup Sandwich.
Dig your foxhole, heat up yourMRE and spend some time with us.
This podcast is designed solelyfor entertainment and,
occasionally, informationalpurposes only, and is to be
regarded strictly as satire.

(01:09):
Comprising of veterans, itdelves into their thoughts and
experiences in combat, as wellas their perspectives on various
aspects of daily life that maybe unsettling for certain
listeners.
This podcast is not suitablefor individuals under the age of
18.
The views articulated in thispodcast may not necessarily
align with those of the NationalVFW VFW Department of Michigan

(01:30):
or VFW Post 3033.
Additionally, we kindly requestthat listeners refrain from
pursuing legal action againstthe creators or contributors of
this podcast.
In other words, please don'tsue us In other words.

Speaker 2 (01:45):
Please don't sue us.
Welcome back to another nightof Soup Sandwich Podcast.
Vfw Post 3033.
We appreciate everybodywatching us live on Facebook or
listening to us on Spotify.

Speaker 3 (02:06):
We'll leave the introductions to the founder
Brent Holbrook Sounds good.

Speaker 4 (02:09):
I like that title the founder, yeah well you know, if
you ever get a bike, that'll beyour road name.
Sounds good, though, which willnever happen.

Speaker 3 (02:17):
I don't know.
You know, five years from now,I might.

Speaker 5 (02:19):
Do you have a home plate?

Speaker 6 (02:21):
No, we still like two-part.

Speaker 5 (02:23):
Are we gonna?

Speaker 6 (02:24):
set a CC limit?
We still like two-part.
Do you have a CC limit?
We still like two-part, allright.

Speaker 3 (02:27):
Me too.

Speaker 2 (02:32):
Oh shit, you threw me off my groove man, that's
because you were doing the introon the live.
Yeah, that's true.

Speaker 3 (02:40):
I had to start it, which isn't normal.
Did one of you guys want towatch the live and just monitor
any comments or anything?
I'm trying to go.
Oh okay, all right, so, yeah.
So, as Charlie said, thanks forjoining us on the live Tonight.
We have a few things we kind ofwanted to talk about, wanted to
follow up on.

(03:01):
Was it last?

Speaker 2 (03:02):
week or the week before Two weeks ago, we kind of
left it in a shit show, youknow.
I mean we digress quite a bitin this podcast.

Speaker 3 (03:16):
So you know we want to follow up on that a little
bit and throw in some otherthings and, as our disclaimer
states, you know occasionallyinformational of a, of a podcast
, so wanted to throw out somestuff there.
Um, something you know aboutreal estate and the va home loan
and you know short, sweet andto the point kind of a thing,

(03:37):
nothing too crazy.
But if we want to go a littlebit deeper then, um, I can set
up a, I can set up a, you up aguest to come in and maybe have
one of my buddies who's a loanofficer come in.

Speaker 2 (03:48):
So I actually have one that might want to go live
tonight if we decide to call himin.
So on the last podcast we weretalking about immigration and
doing it legally and all thosedifferent things Trey are you
worried, am I?
Worried.
Al-qaeda.

Speaker 1 (04:05):
Al-Qaeda is in the house no.

Speaker 2 (04:07):
Which goes back to like 10 podcasts ago.
Immigration, no, but my niece'shusband, Giovanni, the El
Salvadorian immigrant hereillegally, went back to El
Salvador, came back legally.
I did message him over the lastfew days and he's willing to
come on tonight if we want tohave him on.
He's at work but he's like Ican step outside and as a brown

(04:32):
guy he could give us his intake,a little bit different from
Trey's wife who came over fromPoland as a doctor, this guy's
coming over in the blue collarkind of world.
He's a chef.

Speaker 3 (04:47):
At the risk of sounding a little racist.
With the name Giovanni, I wouldnot have thought El Salvadorian
.
I definitely would have thoughtItalian.

Speaker 2 (04:55):
Yeah no, no, no.

Speaker 5 (04:58):
You're a typical asshole.

Speaker 2 (05:01):
So, for Christmas years ago I actually bought him
a Spanglish dictionary, so it'shalf Spanish, half English,
because when you talk to himhe'll talk to you and if we
bring him on tonight you'll hearthe way he talks straight up.
He has that dialect, which isawesome I love, especially like

(05:22):
French or German, like I lovelike ooh yeah yeah, yeah, ooh,
yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 6 (05:26):
I like the German dialect.

Speaker 2 (05:27):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, or even like Irish.
Oh my God, dude, Mm-hmm, womenthat have an Irish.

Speaker 6 (05:33):
Can we smoke in the?

Speaker 2 (05:33):
podcast.
Absolutely, brother.
This is the AJ Sky Lounge.

Speaker 6 (05:38):
You can do what you want to do, I know.
But you know how I smoke, Iknow.

Speaker 2 (05:42):
but you know how I smell.
There's Trump flags flying upand down, which I'm surprised
that Trey didn't catch on firewalking by him, walking into the
AJ Skylark, you know, becausehe was almost simmering.
He was simmering coming in.
He didn't quite catch on fireuntil I put that 28 Vance flag
up there.

Speaker 4 (05:59):
That's where I keep this cup full of ice.
It's pulling me down.
That's what's in it.
That's what's in it.

Speaker 6 (06:05):
That's what's in.
It is just ice.

Speaker 2 (06:08):
Ice and water but.
I mean when you guys hear thisguy talk you will have to really
kind of pay attention, becauseit's still thick, right.
But apparently El Salvadorianshave a lot of foreign nationals
that have immigrated there ormoved there or whatever.

(06:30):
So how the hell did he get hisname?
It's not Jorge or whatever.
The hell.

Speaker 3 (06:34):
I have no idea I have no idea what they're, you call
me a stereotypical asshole.

Speaker 2 (06:40):
But I'm saying I have no idea.
You know what I mean.
I don't.
I see the guy like three timesa year when him and my niece
come back to Michigan becausethey're in Washington DC.
So I don't get to see himenough, right.
But when he left, I was talkingto him once a week when he was
down there, right gone fromfamily and stuff like that, but
I have no idea how.
Yeah, I would think Giovanni isdefinitely not an El

(07:02):
Salvadorian name, right?
Yeah, I would think Giovanni isdefinitely not an El
Salvadorian name, right?
And even his last name,orellana Orellana.
Orellana Even sounds Italian tome too.
Okay.

Speaker 3 (07:13):
Well, before we get too far into it, you're
monitoring over there.
If you want to monitor as well,I just want to do a quick sound
check.
Is anybody watching that cancomment real quick and just make
sure you can hear us, okay, andall that stuff.

Speaker 2 (07:28):
Yeah, but if these guys aren't?

Speaker 3 (07:32):
If these guys aren't admins Okay, somebody's playing
it, so yeah, I think I can.
Alright, cool, alright that'salright.

Speaker 2 (07:42):
Anybody's got questions comments.

Speaker 3 (07:44):
Questions, comments concerns complaints, whatever.

Speaker 2 (07:48):
Just realize there's a little bit of a lag.

Speaker 6 (07:49):
Well, if you've got complaints, keep them to
yourself.

Speaker 3 (07:52):
No, I mean they can submit complaints.
They'll just go right throughthe shredder, it's alright.

Speaker 5 (07:57):
Are we finished going around the table?

Speaker 3 (07:59):
Yeah, let's do introductions Again.

Speaker 4 (08:06):
We've only done it like 7,000 times, I know, but we
do it every episode.
I haven't been here in a minute.

Speaker 2 (08:12):
You're the outtake tonight.

Speaker 6 (08:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (08:14):
I'm the fresh.
Let's go this way.
Start right here, Brent's thefounder man.
I thought we were saving thebest for last, but okay, that's
why I'm over here, that's whywe're going that way.

Speaker 6 (08:32):
Two-part start.

Speaker 3 (08:33):
Yep, all right.
Well, my name is Brent Holbrook.
I am a life member of Post 3033, mount Pleasant, michigan,
represent.
Mount Pleasant, michigan,represent.
I am the founder of thispodcast and all around good dude
.

Speaker 2 (08:51):
I don't know.
You're not the tech nerd.
I'm not the tech nerd, allaround nerd.

Speaker 3 (08:58):
I was junior vice commander, but that's keyword is
was, so I don't really have anyother titles these days
douchebag took the words rightout of my mouth sorry, it was
funny to me.

Speaker 4 (09:15):
Sorry, uh, you're gonna make me cry.
Trey porter, uh, I am thewriters group president,
lifetime member of Post 3033.
I used to think Roy was themost handsome guy when he first
started coming around, but he'sgrown on me, not in a good way,

(09:36):
and now he's back down to numbertwo and I have that number one
spot now.
Sorry, roy, grown on you islike herpes, like a wart Like
herpes.

Speaker 2 (09:43):
Herpes, billy, you're up All right.
Grown on you is like herpes.

Speaker 6 (09:48):
Like a wart, Like herpes.
Billy, you're up All right.
My name is Billy Payne.
I'm a past three-time commanderof the polls.
I'm a past writers grouppresident.
Let's see what else.

Speaker 2 (10:03):
District commander, district 11.
I'm a past District commander.

Speaker 6 (10:05):
District 11.
I'm past district 11 commanderLife member.
I'm a life member of the post.

Speaker 2 (10:13):
We call him Billy Goat, so if you're looking
online you can see the goatee.
Looks like a.

Speaker 3 (10:17):
Billy Goat.
I can't see him.
Oh, you can't see him Come overhere.

Speaker 4 (10:20):
Bill, there we go.

Speaker 6 (10:22):
Got the goatee.

Speaker 4 (10:23):
There he is.

Speaker 6 (10:25):
I'm the pot smoker of the group.

Speaker 4 (10:28):
We don't do drugs or alcohol here, we do AJ's
Catholic Sky Lounge.

Speaker 2 (10:34):
AJ's Catholic Sky Lounge.
Whoa, whoa, whoa whoa, whoa,whoa.
You're all altar boys and I amthe priest 30-year Army combat
vet 30 years 30 years.
Yeah, but it was National Guard.
Yeah, you were POC, it wasNational Guard JV team.
Yeah, I did both part time, 30years is like three months in

(10:58):
the Marine Corps, right?
Roy, you just graduated bootcamp after 30 years.
Congratulations.

Speaker 6 (11:04):
I did 17 and a camp after 30 years.
Congratulations, good job.
Good job.
I did 17 and a half active dutyyears.

Speaker 2 (11:08):
Oh yeah, 17 and a half.
Yeah, okay, so you got ninemonths credit in the Marine
Corps.
Yeah, we're just teasing.
That's what we do up here.
Billy, we appreciate you beinghere tonight, man.
It's been a long time sinceyou've been up.
We appreciate you joining theconversation Before.
It's been a long time sinceyou've been up.
We appreciate you joining theconversation.
I'm glad you actually called me, because I was going to call

(11:28):
you today to remind you thattonight was the night, did you?

Speaker 5 (11:30):
get my text you called me.

Speaker 2 (11:31):
No, I didn't get a text from you because you don't
know how to text.
But you called me and said Iwill be there tonight.
I remembered, tonight ispodcast night.
I saw you last Friday.
You called me today to remindme not to call you to remind you
, I know which, I appreciate it.

Speaker 6 (11:48):
And then I sent you a text a few minutes ago that
said I'm drinking.
Oh yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (11:52):
I'm not.
You're finishing your beer andyou're on your way up, yeah yeah
, I got you, cuz you're anybirthday dinner oh yeah, is
there any beers up here?

Speaker 3 (11:58):
so?
Here's the deal we only drinkfood you have to take what we
have if you don't bring your own.

Speaker 2 (12:05):
There's hams, there's cores, there might be some
ultras there might be somemillers there might be.
You get what you get, don'tthrow a fit, there's some gin
over there.

Speaker 3 (12:15):
Unless you bring your own While he's getting his beer
.
Has he signed our thing?
I will check.
I will ask him.

Speaker 2 (12:23):
Actually I'm.
Has he signed our thing?
I will check.
I will ask him Okay, ActuallyI'm going to go check, I'll just
wait.
No, he has been here.

Speaker 3 (12:29):
He's been here, yeah, but I think we might have.

Speaker 2 (12:32):
We got Roy's introduction.
Yeah, Do mine and I'll go check.

Speaker 5 (12:37):
I'm Roy Thomas, post-3033, lifetime member,
post-quartermaster andbetter-looking dude in Trey.

Speaker 2 (12:46):
The quartermaster.

Speaker 5 (12:47):
Better looking dude than Trey.

Speaker 2 (12:48):
The best looking member of post-3033,.

Speaker 4 (12:54):
That's what you have to say.

Speaker 6 (12:56):
That's not true, because I'm here.

Speaker 2 (12:58):
And since we're saving the best for last, I'm
Charlie Klein, obviously lifemember of our post and the
director of the writers groupsfor the state of Michigan.
Are we all lifetime members?
I think so I think every one ofus.
Billy, did you sign our AJ SkyLounge post-sandwich podcast

(13:19):
banner?
No, what?

Speaker 3 (13:21):
Are you sure?
I told you.
He came and then you got thatyou got that right after he came
the last time.

Speaker 5 (13:29):
Yeah, he hasn't been back.

Speaker 1 (13:30):
No, you're sure you didn't sign this.

Speaker 5 (13:32):
That was one of my first podcasts when he was here
last time.

Speaker 2 (13:37):
I'll see you, gently Roy.
All right, billy.

Speaker 6 (13:43):
You made me fucking get up again.

Speaker 2 (13:47):
It's our tradition, billy, they need your Herbie
Hancock up there buddy HerbieHancock grab the camera grab the
camera, gotta bring it overhere so we can see it hold on
we're on the move here.

Speaker 7 (14:00):
The podcast is on the move flip that around a big
deal.

Speaker 3 (14:03):
This is a big deal.
Do you want to flip that around?
Yeah, I've got to mess with ithere.
I've got to write something too.

Speaker 4 (14:10):
You've got to write your name.

Speaker 5 (14:12):
All right, you write whatever you want, bill Yep.

Speaker 3 (14:15):
All right, hold on, guys.
The podcast is on the move.

Speaker 2 (14:20):
Yeah, you should be able to come all the way over
here, all right.
So for all those that are new,here at the India Sky Lounge we
have a banner, so anybody thatcomes in and joins the podcast,
regardless of post number or notpost number, signs the banner.
So I got this literally at anorder and Big Sexy Tim had

(14:43):
passed away before I could gethim to sign the banner, so we
have his sticker on there and itmade me so mad.
I actually have the banner, butdidn't have this marker for his
last podcast.

Speaker 5 (15:00):
And we said next time we have his sticker and
everybody else signs it.

Speaker 2 (15:04):
Sign your name, your years, your branch service,
however you want to do it.
You see what everybody else hasdone and we have Jimmy.
We have Jimmy that was in theNavy lives out of Washington
State In the Navy Oregon, oregon.
Came from Oregon for one of ourpodcasts one time and signed it

(15:24):
.
So you know this is just a wayfor anybody that ever shows up.
We have who's been on thispodcast.
It's special to me, right?
It's special to all of us.
Thank you, thank you.
So not only so.

(15:45):
What I always appreciated aboutthis podcast is we have about
12 or 15 hours of Tim's voiceyeah, we do, and all those times
that he spent on this podcastyou can go back and listen to
those very beginning ones, ifyou can hear them.
You have all that audiorecording.
So I wish I had a signature.

(16:07):
We don't have it.
We have this memorial sticker.
Because I was too lazy that dayI didn't go get that, and after
that happened I went and boughtthese.
And there you go Now.
We got Billy on the sign.

Speaker 3 (16:21):
Billy's on the sign.
So there you go.
All right, I'll get it wrappedup.
I'll get it put back the wayshe goes.
All right, thanks, billy.
Moving back to our setup here,justin Carey says hee, hee, yee,
yee, yee, yee.

Speaker 6 (16:38):
Nobody can do it like Carey.

Speaker 3 (16:40):
Nope, he can't, nobody can.

Speaker 2 (16:46):
You're right, I think I'm all the part of my jacket.
Good old stogie's on the horn.

Speaker 6 (16:48):
I like it it's good stuff, stogie.
This puffs for you.
This puffs for you so is LizBrian oh, liz Stroud.

Speaker 5 (16:58):
Brian Shainer, Kerry Cairns oh, brian Shainer.

Speaker 2 (17:02):
So I gave him a shout out last podcast.
Then I cut on him right afterthe shout-out.
And he never messaged me to sayyou, son of a bitch, Brian.
I appreciate that because Iprobably was well-deserved after
giving you a shout-out this ismy first Coors, pure light beer.

(17:24):
Whatever man, here's the deal.
You didn't bring your own.
I know the Sky Lounge provideswhat the Sky Lounge provides I'm
taste testing right now, well,that's probably like a year old.
Just so you know.
Hopefully you enjoy it.

Speaker 6 (17:39):
This is my first one.
All right, I'm taste testing.

Speaker 3 (17:41):
Natalie Lopez says hey, hookers, hope you all have
a great holiday, alright.

Speaker 2 (17:53):
Yeah, so hopefully, as the Fall continues on and the
winter gets here, this will bea Bi-week or bi-monthly Podcast.
Bi-monthly Bi-weekly Bi-weeklyright Podcast.
Bi-monthly Billy Bi-weeklyBi-monthly Bi-weekly means, we
do it twice, a week there's.

Speaker 3 (18:10):
Bill House.
No, bi-weekly means every otherweek.

Speaker 2 (18:12):
No, bi-monthly.
Bi-weekly would be twice a week.
How much do you want to bet?
Google or shit?
I can't.
I don't twice a month.
Okay, twice a month.
Bi-weekly would be twice a weekBi-weekly.

Speaker 3 (18:31):
You're thinking as a Marine.

Speaker 6 (18:35):
Roy Roy have my back, jesus Christ, that would be
smarter than a Navy guy.
Charlie's right.

Speaker 3 (18:40):
Hey, you got your computer.
Will you Google this shit?

Speaker 2 (18:43):
What's the difference between bi-weekly and bi-weekly
?
Let me know at a 51.

Speaker 5 (18:48):
Bi-6.

Speaker 2 (18:49):
Yeah, I'll send a fucking smile down your ass,
javelin.
Incoming Yep.

Speaker 4 (18:56):
Occurring every two weeks Boom Fortnightly.

Speaker 3 (19:00):
That's what Charlie said.
No, he said bi-monthly wasevery Bi-monthly.

Speaker 2 (19:07):
Bi-monthly would be every two months.

Speaker 4 (19:08):
See, that's what.

Speaker 2 (19:09):
Charlie said Bi-yearly would be twice a year,
no monthly.
Just wait a minute.
Bi-yearly would be twice amonth.

Speaker 4 (19:16):
No, bi-yearly would be twice a year.

Speaker 2 (19:18):
Every two years.
Twice a year.
So that's twice a year.
Bi-month that's twice a year.
Bimonthly would be twice amonth.

Speaker 4 (19:28):
Biweekly.
So like if you get here, we gobimonthly versus biweekly.
Both mean occurring every twoor occurring twice, so you're
both right.

Speaker 2 (19:36):
So we're both white.
Okay, that's cool, you're bothwhite, both white.

Speaker 4 (19:40):
Both right.
I knew how this was going to go, Jesus Christ just because I'm
Caucasian, is a motherfuckerwith.

Speaker 1 (19:45):
Irish-German descent.

Speaker 3 (19:47):
Okay, doesn't mean you got to call me out you just
said you're both white Perfectexample, though so bimonthly was
how we were paid on active duty.
The first and the 15th it wasbimonthly.
So biweekly is literally everyother week.

Speaker 2 (20:04):
So it doesn't follow Same difference.
So then don't cut on me whenwe're saying the same thing.

Speaker 3 (20:12):
What's?

Speaker 2 (20:13):
that.
Uh-oh, uh-oh, this is how shecalling it.
Hold on a minute, I don't knowwhat I'm doing.
You're in trouble.
Hey, what's up Now?
We there he is Now.
We just googled it.
We just get, I'm hanging up.
We just googled it.

(20:33):
We already got the answer thankyou very much we don't need the
peanut gallery.
Thank you, though.
Enjoy you.
Enjoy your drive home in theghetto yeah tell him, he should
have been here.
Yeah, why weren't you here?
Yeah, he's trying to call indefending the Navy guy.

Speaker 5 (20:48):
I'm not listening to that shit.

Speaker 2 (20:50):
Words of a feather fluff together.
Yeah, you're trying to tell meyou've already Googled it.
Brother, Sorry about your luck.
That is surprising.
So there you go.

Speaker 4 (21:02):
So we have the answer anyways, it doesn't matter.

Speaker 2 (21:05):
So you get paid bi-weekly, you get paid
bi-monthly, whatever, it doesn'tmatter, you get paid bi-yearly
In the grand scheme of things.

Speaker 3 (21:12):
Well, I mean it's.

Speaker 2 (21:15):
Next time he calls, I'm not answering.

Speaker 3 (21:17):
I understand what you're saying, but I'm just
saying that there is a slightdifference, because there's some
months where there's like three, there's three weeks, you know
so there's five weeks in a month, yeah, which I always like
those.

Speaker 2 (21:28):
I always love those months because you got paid
three times that month, yeah,when you're, when you're in the
service, right, there was like abonus, but then you hit the
next month and it was you onlygot are you taking text like oh
shit, are you gonna be our?
I'm gonna be the fact checkeras long as you don't have Joe's
oddly loud mouse clicks, yes,which I wish he was here tonight

(21:50):
because he is so fast at typingand I don't trust your
abilities compared to him.

Speaker 3 (21:55):
I would be happy to help you.
Definitely not.

Speaker 2 (21:59):
He should be hired by the View as a fact checker,
because they have like 19, Iswear to God, 19 fact checks and
what do they call those?
Law statements or whatever theydo During their episodes?
Now they actually have factcheckers and they have to do

(22:20):
like a legal.

Speaker 5 (22:21):
Oh yeah they have to read that legal document.
Yeah, they have to read like alegal statement Really.

Speaker 2 (22:26):
Yeah, so like the girls will be talking about
whatever and they're like youhave a legal statement to read
and they have to read like okay,matt Gaetz was never convicted,
he was just brought up and thisisn't true.

Speaker 4 (22:37):
It completely contradicts everything that they
just said.

Speaker 2 (22:42):
So that they don't get sued.

Speaker 4 (22:43):
So you guys watch the View a lot Legal statement.

Speaker 5 (22:46):
No, it's all over the news.

Speaker 2 (22:48):
I actually watch the View.
I sit at my desk and I don'twatch it.
I listen to it, but here's thething I always like to hear.
Like, when the electionhappened, I had you ask Jen, you
ask House, you ask whoever Ihad multi-view on my TV MSNBC,
cnn, I had Newsmax and Fox Newsgoing Four channels, right, so

(23:12):
you can watch them all and,depending on where you put your
cursor, right, which one of thehighlighted is the one you
listen to, right, just so Icould hear like, okay, fox News
called whatever Wisconsin forTrump.
You switch over to one of theother two networks, the liberal,
and either they've called himor haven't called him yet, right
, and you can hear what they'retalking about.

(23:33):
Yeah, right, Just type in thenew legal statement.
Because I hate to say this, butI don't trust any of those
motherfuckers.

Speaker 4 (23:41):
Well, no, you know what.

Speaker 2 (23:43):
I mean One's going to be slandered one way or the
other.
Now with Elon, maybe buyingMSNBC.
See, they're freaking out,Rachel.

Speaker 5 (23:55):
Rachel.

Speaker 8 (23:55):
Rachel Maddow melted Hold on a second.
I do have a legal.
Thank you, Whoopi.

Speaker 4 (24:01):
No rewind, that I am, I am.
This is the one I was talkingabout Watch her face, watch her
face.

Speaker 2 (24:05):
Thank you, whoopi Bill rewind that I am.
This is the one I was talkingabout.
Oh, he was.
They were trashing Matt Gates.
Watch your face, watch yourface.

Speaker 3 (24:09):
Let's give everybody who can't see the screen here.
So he's got a 30-second YouTubeclip here of Sonny Hostin from
the View being forced to read alegal memo after they were
talking about Matt Gates, andwhat we were saying is
essentially that they're beingforced to read this so they
don't get sued.
So here's 30 seconds.

Speaker 8 (24:31):
Hey, sonny, you have a legal memo.
I do have a legal memo.
Thank you, whoopi.
Matt Gates has long denied allallegations, calling the claims
quote invented and saying in astatement to ABC News that this
false smear following athree-year criminal
investigation should be viewedwith great skepticism.
That DOJ investigation wasclosed with no charges being

(24:55):
brought.
We'll be right back, okay.

Speaker 4 (25:00):
No charges being brought.
I know a lot of people thathave committed crimes and no
charges were brought.
I know a lot of people thathave committed crimes and no
charges were brought.
Matter of fact, I'm going to goand say this You're the fact
checker.

Speaker 3 (25:15):
You've got to keep that open.

Speaker 4 (25:17):
So, anyways, I'll say this I can't close that Because
the statute of limitationsCount to ten.
Be careful what you say.
Statute of limitations has gonebye-bye on this, but I've
committed crimes as a teenagerthat I was actually even

(25:39):
investigated for and nevercharged.

Speaker 2 (25:41):
Let me ask you a question Was it because you're
black?
No, I actually did it.
Oh, I just wanted to make surethat we're Okay.
Roy was there yesterday right.
No, the statute of limitations.
They're not.

Speaker 4 (25:57):
No, we were talking about this thing yesterday and
there was a guy who was down inDetroit and he got upset with a,
a worker at a gas station andthe guy was arab or chaldean,
one of the two, I believe.
And uh, chaldean, yeah, whichis chaldean?

(26:21):
That's they're.
They're arabs from iraq thatare catholics.
You should know this, being acatholic.
Which is?
They're Arabs from Iraq thatare Catholics.
You should know this, being aCatholic.

Speaker 3 (26:27):
Hey, I'm a new Catholic, alright, so you can't
pull that on me.

Speaker 4 (26:31):
This guy got upset with this and went in there and
started Dumping gasoline In thegas station.
In the gas station but wasprobably calling him A bunch of
racial epithets while he wasdoing it.
And this is the, a black dude,and he got charged with ethnic

(26:52):
intimidation.
I was like how the f is thefirst person I've always known,
even as a as a young child, thatethnic intimidation was a crime
.
It it's a felony.
You can't call somebody theN-word, punch them in the face
and then not get.
It's a crime, it's a felony.

(27:13):
So how is the first time I'mhearing I didn't realize it was
a felony.

Speaker 1 (27:17):
I get called the.

Speaker 4 (27:17):
N-word and punched in the mouth a thousand times in
my lifetime Maybe not a thousand, but a lot.
How is it that the first time Ihear about somebody actually
being charged with ethnicintimidation, it's a black man
in Detroit?
Come on, can't make this shitup.

Speaker 3 (27:36):
Those are your hate laws at work that all the
Democrats wanted to push throughPontiac.

Speaker 2 (27:40):
But wait a minute, let me ask you a question.

Speaker 4 (27:42):
You weren't even here for this discussion.
I don't want to hear your mind.

Speaker 2 (27:47):
I have, I guess, some issues.
If a white person punches, ablack or brown or yellow person
is that considered a hate crime?

Speaker 4 (28:00):
No, but if you're calling the N-word while you're
doing it, okay.

Speaker 2 (28:04):
Well, because.
I think, I feel and I'm notsaying I'm correct.
I feel a lot of times if it's awhite person that commits a
crime against a minority or acolored, whatever right,
depending on if you're black.
So I just say colored, right,right, black, brown yellow.

Speaker 3 (28:22):
Sorry to interrupt.
Are we expecting anybody?
I think I just saw somebodypull in.

Speaker 2 (28:26):
Yeah, a lot of people turn around in the driveway.

Speaker 3 (28:29):
Sorry.

Speaker 2 (28:30):
Yeah because they're trying to find hemp higher.
But they figured timber isright across the street.

Speaker 4 (28:35):
I'd give them directions.
It's like a mask.

Speaker 2 (28:40):
No, but I think a lot of times that automatically
just institutes a sort of hatecrime, right, because it's one
color against another.
I do too, but I find it very,very not prosecutorial.
Prosecutorial, thank you,because Jen would totally have

(29:02):
that.
She'd have my back on that.
Prosecutorial, thank you,because Jen would totally have
that, she'd have my back on that.
But if it's the other wayaround, it's a yellow against
white or a brown against whiteor whatever, it never becomes a
hate crime, right.

Speaker 6 (29:16):
I can see that.

Speaker 2 (29:18):
Well, and I'm curious to see if you, because very
rarely like I just watched avideo this old white lady was
walking her dog, Dog was goingto the bathroom, whatever this
black guy just walked up andsucker punches this 70-year-old
lady, knocks the fuck out, hegoes for her.

(29:38):
They end up picking him up andhe gets charged with assault and
everything else, but not a hatecrime.
Now, if you reverse that and itwas a white guy that punched a
black lady, brown lady, yellowlady, that age, it would include
some sort of in extenuatingcircumstances.
It would be a hate crime.

Speaker 4 (29:56):
Right.
The thing about a hate crime isthey have to prove it was
racially motivated.

Speaker 2 (30:02):
Right, not just I think the assumption always is
if it's a white person on aminority, it's automatically a
crime.

Speaker 6 (30:10):
I think I agree with Charlie.

Speaker 2 (30:12):
I think it very rarely goes the other way.

Speaker 4 (30:14):
How many white crimes ?
No, yeah, are you going toGoogle that?

Speaker 5 (30:19):
I think this whole divide, though, is how many
obviously politically pushed,how many hate crimes are
prosecuted.

Speaker 2 (30:27):
These are the things that we should be talking about
with an open discussion, wherewe can look up facts and we can
have an adult conversation aboutbecause I think they're
important.
There's a good.
Maybe I'm wrong, I have noproblem.

Speaker 3 (30:40):
I fact check the fact checker and I pointed him in
the direction of a reputablesource.

Speaker 4 (30:45):
So this is from the Department of Justice so sexual
orientation was 18.4, religionwas 22.5 percent percentage and
race and ethnicity was 52.5.
There were 13,857 victims.
There were 415 multiple biasincidents.

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That involved 559 victims.

Speaker 3 (31:13):
We also for clarity there's also, 4.1% was based on
gender identity, 1.6% was basedon disability and 0.9% was based
on gender by itself.

Speaker 2 (31:25):
Okay, so give us a synopsis of what all those
statistics actually mean.
So basically reported hatecrime Right but I want to know
what were white against minorityor minority against?

Speaker 3 (31:39):
white.
Oh, how it breaks down.

Speaker 2 (31:42):
That's what I want to know, because I have a feeling
that majority of hate crimes arealways going to be white
against the minority, or coloredRegardless of what color is,
and very rarely is it evercolored against a white person.
You know what I'm saying and Iuse colored as not a racist term
.

Speaker 4 (32:00):
It's brown black yellow, you're talking Asians,
right?
Well, you know, and this is notgoing to be a popular opinion
when I say this, your opinionsusually aren't.
And the thing is, your wifelikes my opinions.

Speaker 7 (32:17):
True story right, Only when she hears the zipper,
then she likes the opinions.

Speaker 4 (32:22):
No, don't say that, tiffany.
That's not what we're saying.
And so and this is from the DOJthat the number one like
terroristic threat in America Doyou know who that is?

(32:43):
No, whites for sure.

Speaker 2 (32:45):
Yeah.
So statistically, do you knowwho's more likely to be shot by
the police?
Well, statistically, whites.
Let's Google it.
A thousand percent, I bet youif you look it up.

Speaker 3 (32:59):
I'm just trying to look it up the FBI crime
statistics.

Speaker 2 (33:02):
And you talk about?
What race is shot more bypolice?

Speaker 3 (33:07):
Okay, what race is shot more, All right so time out
real quick, or killed, just putkilled more.

Speaker 2 (33:14):
Just to throw this out, white's almost two to one
over any other minority.

Speaker 3 (33:17):
Just to throw this out.
They will basically say thatit's race, ethnicity, ancestry
related, but they won't break itdown by which is fine.

Speaker 5 (33:27):
So going back to Trace as far as what was I doing
?
What the DOJ reports?

Speaker 2 (33:35):
Race is killed by police Right but going back to
the DOJ.

Speaker 5 (33:39):
Two to one it's whites With the DOJ, you know
they're number one.
The white male is the biggestthreat in America?
Yeah for sure.
But I feel that with thiscurrent administration, this
current administration haslabeled white American

(34:01):
extremists and that's such abroad spectrum that they've
opened that up to.
White American extremist, andthat's such a broad spectrum
that they've opened that up to.
If you don't view with them oralign with them, they're going
to call you an extremist.
So I feel that's a littleskewed.

Speaker 4 (34:17):
You ask that's why we're here, Right right.
Doing this so that we have abetter understanding of each
other, but we break these crazybarriers down, right right.

Speaker 2 (34:24):
Doing this so that we have a better understanding of
each other, but we break thesecrazy barriers down, okay, so?
So for me, you ask, jim.
So I hate the word conspiracytheorist, right, can I?
Because everything is aconspiracy until it's proven
true.
Can I look at this?

Speaker 4 (34:41):
The.

Speaker 3 (34:41):
JFK shooting Right look at all the things coming
out, we're gonna get proven thejfk shooting.

Speaker 2 (34:48):
You look at the moon landing right and the conspiracy
theorist on that and you startlooking at the evidence and
stuff coming out like aliensnever existed.
No, you look at the evidencecoming out and even the
government saying, yes, there'sextraterrestrials here now on
earth.
Yeah, but 20 years agoeverybody was a conspiracy
theorist about, oh, there'saliens, I believe in aliens.

(35:09):
Well, you're a conspiracytheorist I know Now those things
are being proven true yeah.

Speaker 3 (35:14):
They're actually here .
Oh, so sorry.

Speaker 2 (35:15):
Or have been here.

Speaker 3 (35:16):
We have their vehicles, we have whatever right
, sign up for a.

Speaker 2 (35:19):
So Today.
If you ever think outside thenorm, you're labeled a
conspiracy theorist.
So I don't think we should usethis.
They're all a conspiracy untilthey're proven true.

Speaker 3 (35:30):
All right, hold on, hold on, hold on Right.
Yeah, so we found somethingfrom Statistacom, but it won't
let us look at the actualsources of the information.
Okay, so we're just going tothrow this out there, but it is
unofficial.

Speaker 4 (35:44):
Let's see if we can find the.

Speaker 2 (35:45):
DOJ report.
I think it might be the FBIactually Go back up National Use
of Force Data Collection.

Speaker 3 (35:54):
So this is from the FBI's website.

Speaker 2 (35:57):
I think it's the FBI report.
We'll actually tell you.

Speaker 6 (36:00):
We're going to get in all kinds of trouble getting on
the FBI website.

Speaker 2 (36:05):
We're not hacking it, we're just looking at
statistics right, because thismight go back to 2018, because
they're so far behind in theirdata.
But I will bet you you will findlike 3,000 white people have
been shot and killed by policeand 1,000 or 800 minorities have

(36:25):
been killed by police and 1,000or 800 minorities have been
killed by police.
But they always want to putright and I think this is
politically motivated.
They always want to take theJoy Floyds or whoever else and
stick them in the forefront ofthe police killing minorities,
but when you actually look atthe data, it's two to one the
other way, right, of the policekilling minorities, but when you

(36:46):
actually look at the data, it'stwo to one the other way, right
, right, because it's a stickingpoint.

Speaker 4 (36:50):
Well, I'm going to, and I'm just going to use this
information here.

Speaker 2 (36:54):
Yeah, which is fine.

Speaker 4 (36:55):
Which we don't know if it's a credible source or not
.

Speaker 2 (36:57):
Well, I would assume if it's coming from the FBI, it
should be somewhat credible itwas the one before that.

Speaker 4 (37:03):
We haven't found the FBI one yet.
This is a fucking wild goosechase we're on here, but it said
that 500, let's say, in 2023, Iwas looking at the numbers 500
white people killed by police.
It was 249, half the amount ofblack people killed by police,

(37:24):
so two to one.
Two to one, yeah.

Speaker 2 (37:26):
Essentially yeah.

Speaker 5 (37:26):
Let's just round the numbers.

Speaker 4 (37:27):
Yep good.
But out of those 500, how many?
What is the percentage of whitepeople in America that were
killed versus the percentage ofall black people?

Speaker 2 (37:42):
All right, Some of you should be able to Google it.
Black people make up about 13%of the population, of all black
people.
Some of you should be able toGoogle it Black people make up
about 13% of the population ofAmerica.

Speaker 4 (37:49):
White people are 75-ish.
Maybe, it's getting lower andlower, buddy.

Speaker 2 (37:59):
No, there's no doubt about it, but you want to go
back to the last podcast youtalked about who all races.
Vote for Trump.
Yeah.
Racists Races.

Speaker 4 (38:10):
Not racists, not racists.
I said racists, racists.

Speaker 2 (38:13):
So then you're saying black people are racist.

Speaker 4 (38:16):
No, I said not all people that voted for Trump are
racist, right, but all racistsvoted for Trump.

Speaker 2 (38:24):
Races, racists, racist right, but all racist
voted for Trump.

Speaker 4 (38:26):
Races racists, so anybody who's racist in America
voted.
So what I'm saying is thenyou're calling black people
racist oh, I'm not saying thateverybody that voted for Trump
are racist, okay, but I'm sayingthe racesist, okay, listen
Billy's Caucasian racist.
All of us here are Trump voters.

(38:48):
Let's just say for argument'ssake he said all races like
Mexican.

Speaker 2 (38:51):
Latino, black, no, he said racist, racist, all races
voted for Trump.
Racist.
That's the difference.

Speaker 5 (38:59):
All races.
No, that's not what I said.
That's not what he said.
He said racist.
That's not what I said.

Speaker 4 (39:03):
That's not what he said.
He said racist.
Not all people that voted forTrump are racists With a T
Racists.
Not all of them are racist, butall racists that exist in
America voted for Trump.

Speaker 2 (39:17):
So they're called racists?
No, yes, you're a race right.

Speaker 4 (39:24):
People who are racist in.
In my opinion, voted for Trump.

Speaker 2 (39:28):
So what I'm saying is then you think black people are
racist.
No because you have to.

Speaker 4 (39:33):
That's not what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (39:35):
But, you're saying the same word.
Somebody who can speak English?

Speaker 4 (39:41):
Get in there.
Brent, Can you help me out here?

Speaker 3 (39:43):
I think what he is saying correct me if I'm wrong
is that not everybody who votedfor Trump is racist, but the
people who are racist did votefor him.

Speaker 2 (39:55):
So what I'm trying to say is then he believes.

Speaker 3 (39:58):
Did I translate that?

Speaker 2 (39:59):
correctly, then he thinks there's minorities that
are racist because they votedfor.
Trump Minorities are racist.

Speaker 4 (40:08):
How is that?
How are you not seeing thelogic here?

Speaker 2 (40:12):
Right, you're using the same word, trying to double
mean it.

Speaker 4 (40:17):
No, I'm not double meaning it.
I'm not double meaning it, okay.

Speaker 1 (40:19):
You are double meaning it.

Speaker 4 (40:20):
Let's say, all of us here are Trump voters, right,
okay.

Speaker 2 (40:26):
There's four white guys and one black guy.
Yeah, so you're saying we'reall?

Speaker 4 (40:28):
racist, but we all voted for no, I'm not saying
that we're all white guys.
We're different, races we'redifferent races, yes, but we all
voted for Trump.
Let's call Brett a Mexican.
He's a Mexican.
I'm a black guy, and then wegot three white guys, so we're
different races but we're notracist no, we're not.

(40:49):
But Billy is a racist, right?
Just for argument's sake, weknow he's not okay.
He didn't vote for Kamala.
He's voting for fucking Trumpbecause he wants the Mexicans,
the brownies, to get the hell upout this country, and that's
who's gonna right.
But there's Trump because hewants the Mexicans, the brownies
, to get the hell up out of thiscountry, and that's who's going
to Right, but there's four outof five that aren't racist.

Speaker 2 (41:11):
We're different races .
Yes.
We're different races and wevoted for the same guy, right,
so let's not call us all racist.

Speaker 4 (41:20):
I'm not saying that you are.

Speaker 2 (41:23):
I'm not saying that, because there's just as many
racists Do you understand?

Speaker 4 (41:26):
what I'm saying, roy, no, no, I don't think he does.

Speaker 2 (41:28):
No, but listen.
There's just as many raciststhat voted Democrat than there
are that voted for Donald Trump.
I'm going to say bullshit.
I guarantee you, give me timeout.

Speaker 3 (41:41):
This okay, number one , this thought process.
I understand what you're saying, but this thought process
number one is not provablebecause there are racists on
both sides.
Thank you, thank you.

Speaker 2 (41:52):
So now he admits it.

Speaker 4 (41:54):
I'm going to say yes, but generally speaking, by and
large, what?

Speaker 3 (41:58):
is the definition of racist?
It is hatred based on your raceand that is on both sides, and
I found the information we weretalking about by civilian deaths
, with contact from lawenforcement.
This is from the university.
Billy's like what the fuck isgoing on.

Speaker 2 (42:14):
This is why I don't show up.
This is why I never come around.

Speaker 4 (42:18):
Is the heat off on that thing?

Speaker 2 (42:19):
It is off.
It's set to like 73.

Speaker 5 (42:22):
Here's your standing next to Billy.
He's a ball of fire.

Speaker 6 (42:25):
Yeah, it's set to like 73.
You're just standing next toBilly.
He's a ball of fire.
He's on fire for you.

Speaker 4 (42:26):
I feel like Billy's about to punch me in the mouth
right now.

Speaker 2 (42:31):
Billy was eating spicy.

Speaker 4 (42:32):
He called me a racist .

Speaker 6 (42:35):
Billy's a brown guy.

Speaker 4 (42:37):
I said we know Billy's not a racist.

Speaker 2 (42:39):
We know that Billy's a brown guy.

Speaker 4 (42:41):
He was at El.

Speaker 2 (42:42):
Jamente eating dinner and he had the spicy salsa.

Speaker 5 (42:46):
He did it because you got the good stuff, all right.

Speaker 4 (42:49):
He's mad at him for getting it from his shop.
Oh, is this percentages no.

Speaker 3 (42:53):
Yeah, this is some percentages.
So this is the Law EnforcementEpidemiology Project from the
University of Illinois, chicago.
Okay, so what they did is howthey got this information is
from the causes of death asreported by ICD-10 codes, which
is the health codes that yourdoctor uses.
So, in 2000,.

(43:13):
Most recent information is 2022.
There were 817 total deathsthat year based on contact with
the police.
Deaths that year based oncontact with the police.
Okay, now, out of those, itbreaks it down by, you know, by

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white, non-hispanic.
So white non-Hispanic deathswere 370.
Which is 0.2% of the population, which is yep.
0.2% of that population, 0.2%of that population that died.
So 20%, essentially so.
And then up here it's sayingblack non-Hispanic is 198.

Speaker 4 (44:00):
Almost half as much.

Speaker 2 (44:02):
But percentage.
But the population in generalis less Yep.

Speaker 3 (44:11):
And then it adjusts for Hispanic black, so on and so
forth.
So that's what we were lookingfor.
Is that was the number?
So out of 817, 370, let medouble check this.
Hold on, yeah, so just shy ofhalf, yeah, so anyway.

Speaker 2 (44:27):
So just shy of half, and I think these are important
conversations to have Because Ithink things get taken out of
context.
There's always in the mediaspecial attention paid to.
I unfortunately can't rememberthe name off the top of my head.
There was a security guard inFlorida at some neighborhood,

(44:51):
shot and killed.
Trayvon Martin, was the guy's,was the kid's name.

Speaker 4 (44:54):
Oh, he wasn't even a security guard, no he was just
neighborhood watch orneighborhood watch.

Speaker 2 (44:58):
Yeah, he shot this unarmed black kid right that
lived in the neighborhood andthen they said he was Zimmerman.

Speaker 4 (45:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (45:07):
George Zimmerman Said he was a white dude, and then
it came to find out he wasHispanic.
So that changed the narrativeall of a sudden, right, Because
I think he went to prison for awhile or whatever right, he got
off.

Speaker 4 (45:20):
He got off.

Speaker 2 (45:21):
Okay, but you see how that narrative goes.
They hear the name GeorgeZimmerman, they just assume the
guy's white.
Then they find out he'sHispanic, right?

Speaker 4 (45:28):
He's half white.

Speaker 2 (45:29):
Or whatever, but he's still Hispanic, so I don't care
if you're.
I mean, what's the congressmansenator from Florida Gates Woman
?
No, the woman.
She's been there for fuckingever.
She said she was Indian.
She even put on herapplications she was Indian.
Yeah, he calls her PocahontasElizabeth Warren.

(45:52):
She puts on her shit.
She wasn't from Florida, wasshe?
I think she's from Florida.
I'm pretty sure she was acongressman senator from, I
think she's Massachusetts.

Speaker 3 (46:04):
Maybe you're right.
I digress sure.

Speaker 2 (46:05):
Google it.

Speaker 5 (46:05):
I'm pretty sure she was a congressman senator from I
think she's Massachusetts.

Speaker 2 (46:06):
Oh, maybe you're right.
Maybe you're right, I digress.

Speaker 3 (46:09):
It doesn't matter.

Speaker 2 (46:10):
She put on her college applications and
everything else right.
She was Native American, right,so she could get those credit
points to get into college, yep,oklahoma, and then come to find
out.

Speaker 3 (46:23):
So she's from Oklahoma.
She was born in Oklahoma.

Speaker 2 (46:27):
And then come to find out.
So she's from Oklahoma, she wasborn in Oklahoma.
And then come to find out she'slike quarter percent Sure,
we're probably all quarterpercent.

Speaker 4 (46:32):
Trump talked about her so bad.
Oh yeah, she went and got a DNAtest.

Speaker 2 (46:36):
And then found out she was like less than a quarter
percent Native American, Ithink she was like two or three.
I don't even think it was thatmuch.
Yeah, but yeah, like two orthree.
I don't even think it was thatmuch.
Yeah, because you can't say youare what you are if you don't
know what you are.

Speaker 3 (46:50):
She was born in Oklahoma City, but she's a
United States Senator fromMassachusetts Senator, that's
what it is.

Speaker 2 (46:57):
I have no idea how I came up with Florida.

Speaker 3 (47:00):
That's called affirmative action, and I'm
pretty sure they struck thatdown, didn't they just strike
that down recently?
Here's the deal.

Speaker 2 (47:06):
He's a business owner , like I'm a business owner.
You guys work for differentbusinesses and no offense when
Trey and I hire people to workfor us.
I don't give a shit what youare If you're the most qualified
person to do the job and I'mgoing to pay you whatever the
wage is.
To pay you what the wage is, itdoesn't matter to me, right,

(47:29):
and it shouldn't matter to himeither.
I don't even need to know whatyour fucking name is.
You leave the name blank, youleave the sex blank and you give
me what your description ofwhat your certification license
is experience or anything elseis.
That's what I should hire off of.
You should never fill out yourname.
You should never fill out yoursex.
You should never fill out yourorigin or anything else.

(47:50):
It doesn't matter.
When I'm hiring someone to do ajob, it should be the best
candidate period.

Speaker 3 (47:56):
That's it.
So let me break this down,because I'm going to be devil's
advocate, that's usually me, sothat's weird.

Speaker 2 (48:05):
Yeah, I like sitting over here.

Speaker 3 (48:08):
From an HR perspective.
Okay, there's actuallycompanies out there now that
they will.
When you apply to their careerpage on their website, that
application gets funneledthrough this company and what
they'll do is they'll take awayall identifying information from
your resume your name, yourbirth date, all of that stuff,

(48:29):
anything that can be construedas discriminatory and then give
you just a clean resume based onyour credentials only.
So that's how you got hired Insome places.

Speaker 2 (48:41):
Yeah, but the idea though, the idea, though, is so
he definitely took your sexualorientation out of it.
If they knew you were a PeterPuffer, they might not have.

Speaker 5 (48:52):
Well, yeah, they saw that you said Navy, Navy.

Speaker 6 (48:54):
Navy, they automatically knew.

Speaker 5 (48:58):
They actually probably left that in there
because they know he comes withknee pads and good oral skills.

Speaker 2 (49:03):
Friggin' ancillary I'd hire him for that, because.
I know he comes with knee padsand good oral skills.
Freaking answers, man.
I'd hire him for that.
I'd hire him for that, I wish.

Speaker 3 (49:08):
I would have known you should apply it here.
Doesn't matter which end you'reon, you're still gay.

Speaker 2 (49:12):
I got a spotter to my desk 20 bucks, 20 bucks 20
bucks is 20 bucks, but talkingabout affirmative action.
I mean, I think, affirmativeaction, I think.

Speaker 3 (49:21):
I think affirmative action, I think, is another
example of something that soundsgreat on paper but in practice
is horrible, because the ideabehind it was to give everybody
a fair shot.
Okay, I get that.
I understand the idea that thestereotypical person let's just

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say somebody from the inner cityor something mixed in the pool
of college applicants and stuffare going to be drowned out by
everybody else.

Speaker 2 (50:01):
So let me ask you what's wrong with that?

Speaker 3 (50:04):
That's the idea.

Speaker 2 (50:06):
So if you're CMU okay , which is Central Michigan
University here in town, youdon't make the cut to make CMU,
what's to say you can't go toMid-Michigan Community College
or Delta College or SaginawValley or whatever else.
So maybe you don't qualify toget into CMU.
That doesn't limit you.
So you go to mid for a year ortwo, get your grades up, do

(50:28):
whatever, and then maybe at theend of your college career you
qualify to get to the next level.
That's the way it should be,regardless of what your
circumstances are.
It doesn't mean you should justautomatically get a spot
somewhere else because he's notgoing to hire a guy.
He's not going to hire a guy.
I'm not going to hire a guy.
Just because your circumstancesare what they are.

(50:50):
I've got to hire the person oraccept the person that comes in,
regardless of who they are.
That best fits what the needsare.
If your needs aren't up to thestandard here, then maybe you
need to get your standards up,and I understand everybody's got
.

Speaker 6 (51:06):
Why would you limit it so that an inner city person
couldn't get a job?

Speaker 3 (51:12):
No, I mean, you're thinking it the other way around
.

Speaker 5 (51:15):
So there's preferences and stuff for low
income and so on.

Speaker 3 (51:19):
Yeah, they're trying to give preference to those
individuals, but the argument isthat they make up such a small
percentage of the applicants intheir applicant pool that
they're trying to give them alittle bit of a boost, to
essentially hit their radar sothat they can look at them, for
example, if you are a US NavalSea Cadet which would suck I was

(51:45):
a Sea Cadet which would suck.
I was a Sea Cadet.
I was a Sea Cadet, totallyunderstand that, and we.
The program is great.
All seriousness, I know youguys are joking.

Speaker 6 (51:54):
That's fine.
It does because I partook inthat program for a little bit.

Speaker 5 (51:59):
Yeah, they were here forever.

Speaker 6 (52:00):
I knew about that program.

Speaker 3 (52:02):
There is John Smith.
I remember him.
We were who, was it Sorry?
I'm trying to think there are.
It's a separate pile in theiradmissions department for the
kids who are sea cadets.
It doesn't mean you get specialpreference, you don't get
special appointment.

(52:22):
It just means you're looked atdifferently.
And we were told that years agowhen I was still a cadet and I
was in high school and stuff,and in fact one of our people
did get picked up for anappointment to the Coast Guard
Academy.
So there's things out there,but there's a difference there

(52:44):
and so.

Speaker 2 (52:45):
But there's a difference.
Because you went above andbeyond, you didn't do the basic.
So, for instance, you didn't goto high school and just
graduate high school.
And then you got extra creditRight, because you came from
inner city.
Right, you went to high schooland did a additional program.
Yeah, to get extra credit.
That's what we're talking about.

(53:07):
So, just because you went toDetroit Central Catholic
whatever the hell high schooldoesn't and you just graduated
high school, should not give youextra credit over the kid that
went to Hazlitt, lansing,central, mount Pleasant, central
, bay City, central.
It shouldn't give you extracredit because where you came
from, just in a high schoolgraduation right, you did an

(53:31):
extra program to get extracredit.
Yeah, that makes sense.
Yeah, and that's different.

Speaker 3 (53:36):
So and then, coming from the two business owners
here, um another.
The next cog in the wheel wouldbe when you got these
universities like take all theIvy Leagues right, they're all
the number one in the country,everybody wants to go to them
and they've got an applicantpool of 10,000 or more people a
year routinely.

(53:56):
They need some way to pare downtheir applicant pool, and so I
think that's kind of anotherreason why affirmative action
exists, because they were tryingto.
You know, I can solve this easy.
And so my this is the questionI'm posing to the both of you,
and this is my argument is itdoesn't frickin' matter where

(54:19):
you go.
You're going to look at theircredentials and if you've
successfully completed somethinga bachelor's or whatever I
don't give a fuck if you went toHarvard or Dartmouth or
whatever versus Central.

Speaker 4 (54:31):
I'll let Trey answer first, if you're ready if not,
no, I want you to go ahead.

Speaker 2 (54:38):
And then let me chime in so for my business, we're a
union.
We're with United Association,local union 85 out of Saginaw.
For six, seven years I sat onthe JTC, which is the Joint
Apprenticeship TrainingCommittee.
So it's made up of this side ofthe table was all the labor

(55:01):
side, right?
So the union guys in the frontoffice at the local or the
instructors, whatever, and thisside of the table were all the
owners or owner representatives.
So I said on this side of thetable is the owner of the owner
representatives.
We did applications right.
All throughout the year cutoffdate.

(55:21):
There was pre-tests that theyhad to take they call them work
keys and some other differentthings you have to turn in your
high school transcripts,whatever, those automatically
equated to points.
Over the course of three orfour days we'd have every
applicant come in.
They'd get about ten minutes tosit in front of that committee
and each one of us would ask youa question or two, right, we

(55:46):
only had 10 minutes.
We'd have over 300 applicantsthat made it through the first
round just to get the interview.
So say we would have 600, 700people apply.
Half of that would have a highenough score from their work
keys, their high schooltranscripts, whatever else,

(56:07):
right Well?
it's just like yeah, thecomputer automatically tabulated
and said okay, you know, thesepeople can get an interview.
You'd come sit in front of usfor about five or ten minutes.
We'd all be able to talk to you, kind of get a feel for who you
are.
We'd all ask you a question ortwo and then, out of the 12 of
us that were sitting at thetable, we'd all grade you like

(56:30):
one through a hundred, right oneach category, like how were you
dressed, your attitude, right?
How you answered whateverquestions, right, they were
always the standard questions.
I asked the same question toeverybody.
You answered, you know, youasked the same one to the next
guy, right, it was always thesame thing.
Then, out of that, we'd turnthe slit and the girls would

(56:53):
type in whatever the scores wereand they would tabulate one
through the 300 that weinterviewed and we had a picture
of you and we would sit thereand it was like the draft, the
nfl draft, right, we'd sit therewith a 90 inch tv and we'd be
like, oh yeah, I remember thatguy and here's the scores.

(57:13):
And we're like, and we'd sitthere for a fucking day picking
16 people out of the 300 we hadan interview with, out of the
600, 700 that applied, right, wedidn't care.
Black, brown, green, yellow,white Didn't matter, right?

(57:33):
Were you going to fit in theprogram?
Were you going to go out on thejob and make me money?
Right, we didn't care.
The union side definitelydidn't care.
They were like, hey, if theseguys want to hire this guy,
that's perfect.
Right, they were worried aboutis he going to complete a
five-year apprenticeship?
We didn't give a shit, right?
But sometimes it took a face.
You know, we only met you forfive or ten minutes, so

(57:55):
sometimes we needed the face.
We hired women, we hiredminorities, we hired white
people.
We hired whatever white peoplewe hired whatever.
It didn't fucking matter.
But we had this huge pool ofpeople.

Speaker 3 (58:09):
So it's possible to do this.

Speaker 2 (58:12):
It didn't matter where you came from.
We had guys from the inner cityof Saginaw to the dude that
lived in Remus, michigan, orBlanchard, michigan or wherever.
You had no idea Until theywalked in, but they had to make
the cut every time and it wasn'tjust one person making a
decision.
We'd argue over people for 20,30 minutes sometimes, right,

(58:34):
because I might be like dude, Idon't want to hire that person.
Well, I like that guy.
Okay, cool, you hire him forfive years.
You know, you hire him forthree years.
We're paying people good moneywith pensions, insurance, you
know all these different things.
So we didn't care.
We just wanted someone thatwould fit with our crews.
Right, I can make money offthem.
They could make good money.
They could pay for the kids'college, they could do their

(58:55):
things right.
That's what we cared about.
So, at the end of the day, itdidn't matter the color of the
skin, it didn't matter whattheir economic socio, whatever,
depended upon.
What we cared was I could makemoney off them being an owner.
And, at the end of the day, ifthey fit with the crew, just
like you, right, you're notgoing to hire somebody if

(59:19):
they're not going to sit in yourstorefront and be friends with
the customers.

Speaker 3 (59:25):
And that's the downside.
So your customers want to comeback again.

Speaker 2 (59:28):
Right, because you know what?
Hey, when Johnny works, johnnytakes care of me.
Dude hemp hires the shitbecause when I go in there I
feel like I'm a member of theirteam.
I feel like those guys love meand they appreciate me.
Guess what that guy's gettingthe sales.
He's making them buy somethingthey probably weren't going to
buy when they walked in the door.
But Johnny talked me intobuying this and I like it.

(59:50):
Now I'm going to buy it againand I'm going to go there
because I know that product I'mgetting.
That's what we do, it doesn'tmatter.
The other shit is just a stigma, bullshit that the media pushes
.
It doesn't matter.

Speaker 3 (01:00:07):
And I think that's the downside of the affirmative
action, because it gives creditto something that doesn't
deserve credit.
Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:00:13):
So he's sales, I'm not sales, I'm construction.
So he might have a differentopinion, which is great.

Speaker 4 (01:00:22):
I'm going to give you an idea of affirmative action.
Fit into this society at onepoint and we'll see.
They took affirmative actionaway, so we'll see where this
goes.
But my father was anaffirmative action hire in the
70s Mishkan.
In the 70s Mishkan, if he wouldhave never, if they weren't

(01:00:48):
forced to hire a black man, theywould have never hired a black
man.
This was in the 60s.

Speaker 5 (01:00:58):
Okay, your phone time out.

Speaker 4 (01:01:03):
I think so, it would have never happened.
Is that House calling you?
No, that's my daughter Text me.

Speaker 2 (01:01:17):
Did it end?
Yep, my daughter's actuallyasking what happened to the live
feed.
Yeah, I have no idea.

Speaker 3 (01:01:26):
It doesn't say anything, it just says it
stopped.

Speaker 2 (01:01:30):
Might have to log back in.

Speaker 3 (01:01:34):
No, I'm just going to restart it.
Three, two one.

Speaker 2 (01:01:40):
Anyways, no, and I'm not, I really want you to
understand.

Speaker 3 (01:01:44):
Address it real quick .
Sorry about that, guys.

Speaker 4 (01:01:47):
All right.
So my father was an affirmativeaction hire.
I wouldn't be where I am or whoI am right now if it wasn't for
that.
I can tell you that Affirmativeaction had a time, a place and
a time in this country.
Sure.

(01:02:07):
Has it worn out its welcome?
Well, we'll see.
It's over now.
So the amount of racism thatpervade in this country for
years and years and years, andeven after the Civil Rights
Movement it's not like the CivilRights Movement happened and

(01:02:30):
that was it.
Racism was over.
No, my uncle was an affirmativeaction.
Hire at Ford, I guarantee youthat.
And this was in the 60s.
And he became a Right 60 yearsago.
Right 60 years ago.
But he wouldn't have became theman he is today without that.

Speaker 2 (01:02:55):
Right, but you can't tell me that the man you are
today is because of whathappened in the 60s.

Speaker 4 (01:03:00):
Me yeah, absolutely, absolutely, absolutely.

Speaker 3 (01:03:06):
And I'll tell you why .
Did we get everybody back?
Sorry?

Speaker 9 (01:03:10):
Yeah it's back on.
We're back on.

Speaker 2 (01:03:13):
We got four people.
I'll tell you why?

Speaker 4 (01:03:18):
It's because my father was up here, moved up
here and was an affirmativeaction hire in the 70s in
Mishkan and was able to provideme because of that, was able to
provide me with a life that heprobably wouldn't have been able
to provide me had it not beenfor that.

(01:03:38):
But that's not what I'm asking.

Speaker 2 (01:03:39):
What I'm asking is do you still affirmative hire
today in your business?

Speaker 4 (01:03:46):
No.

Speaker 2 (01:03:47):
Why not no?
If this is the way you wereraised and you see the benefits
in it, why don't you do it now?

Speaker 4 (01:03:55):
Number one it's not required, right?
It doesn't need to be requiredfor you to do it.
Number two there's not a hugepool of minorities here, yeah,
but so why don't you not hireuntil you hire of minorities
here?
So why don't you not hire untilyou hire?
Now, here's the thing I havehired people because I wanted

(01:04:18):
some diversity in myorganization.
I have hired people.
They've met the qualifications.
If they didn't meet thequalifications, I wouldn't have
hired them.
Yeah, so I do want diversity,but did you?

Speaker 2 (01:04:39):
solely hire them because of their diversity?
No, did you solely hire them?

Speaker 4 (01:04:42):
because they were a qualified candidate.
They were a qualified candidate, but did they get preferential?

Speaker 2 (01:04:47):
treatment because they were a diversity.

Speaker 4 (01:04:49):
No, I wouldn't say that, but I do want diversity in
my workforce.

Speaker 2 (01:04:56):
There's nothing wrong with that, but you have to hire
the best candidate at the timewhen you're doing your
applications right.
There shouldn't be bonus pointsbased on what your race is or
what your ethnicity is oranything else.
You get two 100% equal people.

Speaker 3 (01:05:11):
One is white and one is black.
Which one are you going to hire?
Okay, equal yeah completelyequal Across the board.
The only difference is theirskin color.
They even sound the same.
Which one are you hiring?

Speaker 5 (01:05:25):
I think that's a difference of opinion.

Speaker 3 (01:05:26):
Yeah, I mean, that goes either way.
I guess that's the point,because opinion, yeah, I mean
that goes either way.
I guess that's the pointbecause, before I get into that,
number one I agree with youthere was a time and a place,
especially right after the CivilRights Act was passed.
Yeah, that whole generation,the generations before, were
totally racist.

Speaker 2 (01:05:45):
So there's a place there, I agree, we're not
talking the 60s, we're talking2020s.

Speaker 3 (01:05:51):
But now, if we're going to flip the script,
because I think if you againthat hypothetical situation,
you've got two completelyidentical people.
The only difference is theirskin color, and you hire the
black guy because you wantdiversity, is that not?

Speaker 4 (01:06:04):
racism.
So if I hire the white guy, whyam I hiring the white guy and
wear the black?
I know but I'm saying, I'msaying either way, Maybe I flip
a coin.

Speaker 3 (01:06:14):
But see, that's what I'm saying Either way, and then
you know, if they're 100% equal,which, as you know, never are.
This is a hypothetical, but ifthey are, either, one could have
an argument against you.

Speaker 5 (01:06:28):
What if that coin's racist?

Speaker 3 (01:06:30):
then yeah, what if that's a two-headed coin.

Speaker 4 (01:06:33):
Yeah, what if it's racist coin?

Speaker 2 (01:06:36):
It's black and black.
Trust me, you get heads youwant heads.

Speaker 3 (01:06:41):
So I guess that's my point.

Speaker 2 (01:06:45):
That's kind of what my point was.
If you have two equalcandidates and you're only
picking the one because they'rea minority, then, that is a
racist choice.

Speaker 3 (01:06:54):
I mean, I shouldn't say that there's never a
situation where you've got acouple?
Identical candidates.

Speaker 5 (01:07:02):
So I think a little bit to that, though is say,
they're equal as far as you knoweverything on paper.
What about their personality?

Speaker 3 (01:07:10):
Yeah, that's my.
Point is everything on paper?
What about their personality?

Speaker 5 (01:07:11):
Yeah, that's my point is at some point there's going
to be something that sets themapart.

Speaker 2 (01:07:16):
Same thing I told him .
Right, johnny's selling yousomething you don't want to buy.
Right, johnny's a good salesmanand he owns a retail store and
he gets a guy to buy another $20, $30 worth of shit and he wants
to come in because he likesJohnny when Johnny's working,
because Johnny's his buddy andhe gave him good advice.

(01:07:36):
He's going to hire the guy thatmakes more sales.

Speaker 4 (01:07:40):
Regardless of what the skin color is, it doesn't
fucking matter.
My best bud tender is the blackguy.

Speaker 3 (01:07:45):
Bud tender Really.

Speaker 4 (01:07:47):
That's what we call him bud tender.
I'm telling you what he sellslike a motherfucker over there.
Hire his fucking brother.
Yeah, I wish.

Speaker 2 (01:07:56):
I could, he's just the same yeah.
Hire a sister.

Speaker 4 (01:07:59):
He's got a sister who's a lawyer, I think.

Speaker 2 (01:08:02):
Well, he ain't paying that much yeah.
We ain't worth that much youmight want to hire her.
But maybe she could be in-housecounsel.

Speaker 4 (01:08:12):
There you go, there we go.

Speaker 2 (01:08:14):
No, and that's what I'm talking about.
So at the end of the day, youhire the best fit regardless of
what their skin color is, forwhat your business deserves.
We did the same thing.
We didn't give a shit what youwere.
If you could fit in with a crewand you wanted to work in the
heat and the cold and the dirtyand the nasty 12 hours a day,

(01:08:34):
seven days a week, we didn'tgive a shit.
We didn't give a shit because Ihave to pay the bill and if
you're going to show up everyday and you're going to work and
I can bill you out, you'reworth it to me.
It doesn't matter what you looklike.
I don't give a fuck where youcame from.
It really doesn't matter.
Ray Lopez or Natalie Lopez islistening tonight.
Ray worked for GM.

(01:08:54):
Gm didn't give a shit that hislast name was Lopez.
He showed up every day.
He worked.
He showed up on the weekends.
He showed up on Saturday.
He showed up on Sunday.
He worked nights, he workedweekends, he worked whatever.
I don't give a fuck, you'rethere to do the job, right.
Your dispos are open,regardless.

(01:09:15):
If it's Scottville or Clare,michigan, it doesn't matter.
Right or Loomis, you show up,you work.
I don't give a shit, you sellmy stuff 10147 North Loomis Road
.
Perfect Empire.

Speaker 4 (01:09:28):
Empire Collective.

Speaker 2 (01:09:31):
Come see us.
The best selection in MichiganPeriod, worth the drive,
regardless if it's from Detroitor it's from fucking inward
Michigan.

Speaker 3 (01:09:39):
It doesn't matter.
Stock up, and that's a goodpoint, because, especially in
the trades, your personality andyour work ethic goes a hell of
a lot farther because, let's behonest, you're not always in new
construction where everything'ssort of clean.
You're going to be undersomebody's fucking house in the
mud, like in the cold, it sucks.

Speaker 2 (01:09:59):
Yeah, but I mean, even in trades, business, right,
you can have the assholecustomers that are never happy.
Or you're working behind a bar,you're always going to have the
asshole customer, or the personhates the food you delivered.
You're serving somebody, youdidn't make the food, you're
just bringing it out, and thoseretail people catch so much

(01:10:20):
bullshit Stuff they have nocontrol over, so for him, same
thing.
Man, if you're out thereproducing and selling, it
doesn't matter who you are orwhat you look like or anything
else.
Right, you could have dermals.
You could have a fuckinghorseshoe in your nose, you
could have whatever.
You're making me money, you'remy best employee, period, and

(01:10:41):
every business owner, typicallyRepublicans we've had this
conversation.
I could care less.
I'm very fiscally conservative,socially liberal, I don't care.
You want to marry a balloon ora potato, cool, we don't care.
99% of conservatives orRepublicans don't care.

(01:11:04):
They want to put the no.
Honestly, listen, honestly,listen, honestly, listen.
There's a bunch of us sittingat the table tonight.
Right, we don't care.
Trump even said we need toextend gay rights.

Speaker 4 (01:11:21):
Did he say that he did.

Speaker 2 (01:11:23):
When did he say that?
Do you want me to pull thevideo up where he actually said
it?
Okay, I'll do it, just give mea minute.
He actually wanted to expandgay marriage.
He wanted to extend abortionspast nine weeks or six weeks or
whatever they had.
He said that's not enough time.

Speaker 4 (01:11:42):
Right, he said it.
What has he done he?

Speaker 3 (01:11:46):
said it.
What has he done?

Speaker 2 (01:11:47):
He doesn't need to do anything, that's not his job,
the responsibility of thepresident, he's not the king,
that's what they're trying tomake him.
No, your side's trying to makehim.

Speaker 4 (01:12:00):
No, okay, so we haven't even talked about
Project 2025.

Speaker 2 (01:12:06):
He didn't endorse it one bit.
He said that's a crack show.

Speaker 3 (01:12:10):
No, we already decided that.
Hold on.

Speaker 4 (01:12:11):
hold on If he told you he had a 16-inch penis,
would you believe him?
No, no, yeah, you would.
You would, and then you'dprobably put it in your mouth
Time out.

Speaker 3 (01:12:22):
We already settled the Project 2025 debate the last
year.

Speaker 4 (01:12:25):
No we did not.
Yes, we did no, we did not.

Speaker 3 (01:12:27):
Yes, we did no, we did not, we agreed that in four
years, at the end of Trump'snext term, we were going to go
through line by line and seewhat actually came true.
Remember that I can tell youthis.

Speaker 4 (01:12:35):
I can tell you this To date.
To date, seven of hisappointees, seven of them, are
Project 2025 authors.
Okay, who are they?
Stephen Miller, his chief ofstaff.
Miller, his chief of staff.

Speaker 2 (01:12:50):
No, his chief of staff is a fucking woman dude.
Hold on, he's a misogynistmotherfucker.
Who, stephen Miller, listen toCNN?
Hold on, hold on, we're allmisogynists.
Hold on, his chief of staff isthe first woman chief of staff,
bro, yeah, hold on hold, on holdon Trump's chief of staff,

(01:13:12):
Susie.
Uh yeah, hold on, hold on, holdon Trump, yeah.
Chief of Staff Susie.

Speaker 4 (01:13:18):
Talk right into this microphone, because I want to
hear you say I'm sorry, becauseI am wrong.

Speaker 3 (01:13:21):
Oh yeah, okay, hold on, no say it wrong.

Speaker 4 (01:13:22):
What's her name?
Trey Porter.

Speaker 2 (01:13:24):
No, what's her name?
Her name's Trey Porter.

Speaker 4 (01:13:27):
Her name is I don't know what.
What's her name?
Her name's Street Reporter.
Her name is I don't know whatis it Susie Wiles.
There you go.
It's not his chief of staff.
I'll tell you.
Hold up.

Speaker 2 (01:13:34):
Stephen Miller, first woman appointed chief of staff
to the President of the UnitedStates, but he's a misogynist.

Speaker 1 (01:13:42):
Oh, no, wait a minute .
No, wait a minute, sorry.

Speaker 2 (01:13:44):
He only associates or likes stupid women.

Speaker 4 (01:13:50):
Right, Okay, so Stephen Miller would be the
Homeland Security Advisor.
Yeah, Also also an author ofProject 2025.
Okay, so why is Okay back up?

Speaker 3 (01:14:05):
Why is Project 2025 such a resounding drum for the
liberal side?
Have you read it?
No, no, it's pretty crazy.

Speaker 4 (01:14:14):
You should read it.
I have.
It's a waste of time.
Okay, and seven of hisappointees to date, just to date
.
I'm sure there'll be more.
He's done appointing.
They're authors of the Project2025.

Speaker 2 (01:14:27):
He's done appointing.
So let me ask you a questionwhat's the Okay?
If you guys made a Project 2025for marijuana, the liberals
Marijuana, oh, okay, and yousigned your name to it, okay,
amongst a thousand other peoplethat signed their name to it
does that mean that you're notqualified to be on my staff?

Speaker 4 (01:14:49):
But what if I wrote it Actually?
It was an.

Speaker 2 (01:14:51):
Author.
Okay, let me ask you a question.

Speaker 4 (01:14:55):
It's one thing to just endorse it and not add
anything to it.

Speaker 2 (01:14:58):
Let me ask you a question how many people
endorsed the Constitution of theUnited States, not Trump?
How many people endorsed theirname?
Oh, I don't know, right, like400.
Does that mean they're allcrazy because they endorsed?
We want to establish Americafrom Britain.
Does that mean you know JohnHancock?

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Because he signed his name bigas fuck and everybody knows it.
But that doesn't mean everybodyis some crazy person, right?
It's not saying that you don'tagree with some of it, but that
doesn't mean you agree with allof it, you're comparing the
Constitution to Project 2025.
Because you're talking aboutauthors.
There's a lot of authors of theConstitution, Uh-huh Like

(01:15:42):
literally 160 people.

Speaker 3 (01:15:46):
So, and here's okay.
So we were saying there's like,how many authors of everything?
So here's okay.
So we were saying there's like,well, how many authors of
everything?
So here's my question Trump hasnot come out and said that he
endorses Project 2025.

Speaker 2 (01:15:59):
He would never.

Speaker 3 (01:16:00):
He came out against it.
But stop, stop.
It says one thing at a time.
Ladies, you actually believethis?

Speaker 4 (01:16:06):
You actually believe this?
Hold on.
I mean, I know he said it, Iknow he has, I know he has, I
know he has, I know that.

Speaker 9 (01:16:13):
So why would I not believe him?
He's lying.

Speaker 4 (01:16:15):
He is lying.
He is lying Because it was sounpopular.
Project 2025.
If everybody loved Project 2025, you'd have been like yep,
that's me all day.
But people hated it, everybodyhated it, and so he came out
against it.
Yet 40-something of his formercabinet in his administration,

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former, former, but now seven ofthose people are back in
business.

Speaker 2 (01:16:47):
Seven out of 40.

Speaker 3 (01:16:48):
Okay, so my question is the authors of this project
of which there are many.
They're going to push it.
The authors of this, which aremany.
I want to know what is thedifference between them
authoring a section of Project2025 and putting an op-ed in one
of the newspapers.

(01:17:08):
Say that one more time.
Okay, an op-ed is an opinionpiece.
I know what it is, but Okay.
What is the difference betweensomebody being part of Project
2025 as an author of a sectionof it and an op-ed?
What's the difference.
Specifically, if Trump has notcome out and said that this is

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not, they call this thepresidential transition project.
But if the president-elect issaying that is not my
presidential transition project,then what?

Speaker 4 (01:17:43):
That's my question.
Okay, so okay.

Speaker 3 (01:17:46):
I think they're trying to take.

Speaker 4 (01:17:48):
How much of this, how much of Project 2025, aligns
with Trump's policies?
How much of it does?
Probably 10 or 20%, maybe I'mgoing to say more like 95.

Speaker 3 (01:18:02):
So let me read this Of course you will Of course you
will.

Speaker 2 (01:18:06):
And Elon Musk is going to own MSNBC and you will
watch it every day.
So here's the thing, becauseJoe Scarborough went down and
sucked the nuts of Trump inMar-a-Lago, he sure did.

Speaker 3 (01:18:17):
Oh, why is that so hold on?
Why is that?
Let me read this.

Speaker 4 (01:18:20):
Daddy owns them.
Daddy owns them Because theyknow what's about to happen,
because Trump's about to goafter reporters and everybody
else that he doesn't like thatlied.

Speaker 5 (01:18:32):
That lied Because they're all slanderous.

Speaker 2 (01:18:34):
The reason why the View has legal disclaimers like
94 times an episode.
Hold on, hold on, let me readthis.
They talk all this shit andthey're worried about getting
sued, so they have to fuckinghave a legal disclaimer.
So let me read this Project2025.

Speaker 3 (01:18:49):
This is from their About page.

Speaker 4 (01:18:50):
Real, quick Hold on.
Which news organization had topay a billion dollars for
slander?
Cnn which one?

Speaker 3 (01:18:59):
CNN.
There you go, cnn.
Well, actually we don't knowhow much it was, because it was
a closed deal.
Fox News.

Speaker 4 (01:19:06):
It was like a billion now.

Speaker 3 (01:19:07):
Google it.

Speaker 7 (01:19:08):
Let me do this first Fox News.
It was like a billion now.

Speaker 4 (01:19:10):
Okay, google it, hold on, Let me do this first.

Speaker 3 (01:19:11):
Project 2025.

Speaker 4 (01:19:14):
Project 2025.

Speaker 3 (01:19:16):
I agree.
The project is an effort of abroad coalition of conservative
organizations that have cometogether to ensure a successful
administration begins in 2025.
They did not say to ensureTrump's successful
administration, but I'm going tocontinue on.
With the right conservativepolicy recommendations, keyword
recommendations and properlyvetted and trained personnel to

(01:19:37):
implement them, we will takeback our government.
Presidential Transition Projectis organized by the Heritage
Foundation and builds off theHeritage's longstanding mandate
for leadership, which has beenhighly influential for
presidential administrationssince the Reagan era.
More recently, the Trumpadministration relied heavily on
Heritage's mandate for policyguidance, embracing nearly

(01:19:59):
two-thirds of their proposalswithin just one year in office,
but that was in 2016 when he wonthe first time.
That does not mean it's goingto be the same thing here.

Speaker 4 (01:20:11):
You, you, I mean the the, the.

Speaker 3 (01:20:14):
I'm not saying.
I'm not saying that it's notgoing to happen.
I'm just saying we need to waitto see if it actually does.

Speaker 4 (01:20:23):
What's the word I'm looking for?

Speaker 2 (01:20:25):
The doom and gloom.

Speaker 4 (01:20:26):
Yeah, sure, no, no, it's.
I don't know.
I'm just befuddled that youguys actually, Because you're on
your own swallow this bullshitthat this motherfucker is
pushing.

Speaker 3 (01:20:41):
So it did come out and say CNN confirms settlement
after a $275 million lawsuitwith Nick Sandman.
Do you remember that one?
Yeah, I do.
Okay, so $275 million they paidSandman Do you remember that
one.

Speaker 4 (01:20:50):
Yeah, I do.

Speaker 3 (01:20:50):
Okay, so $275 million they paid.

Speaker 4 (01:20:54):
I wish I was that kid .

Speaker 3 (01:20:55):
Let's do Fox News.

Speaker 5 (01:20:56):
Fox News Dominion.
Yeah, but wasn't that the kidthat was at the Washington DC?
Yeah, he got surrounded by thatprotester group.

Speaker 3 (01:21:04):
Yeah, Damn $787 million Shit Over election
claims.
So let's see, let's see Nearly80.
Okay, so To which?

Speaker 4 (01:21:16):
to which they pulled their, and the reason they
settled is because they keptpulling all their host text
messages and all of them sayingI hate fucking Trump.
All of them saying to eachother I hate Trump.
But, yet they're telling youhe's the greatest thing since
fucking Slice Ben, and you'relike, yeah, yeah, you're right,

(01:21:39):
and that's why we shouldn'tlisten to any of these people.

Speaker 3 (01:21:45):
$1.6 billion, damn.
That's what they sued for, andthey almost got it, Hold on hold
on Well.

Speaker 2 (01:21:54):
I can sue you for $1.6 billion Doesn't mean you
settle for it.

Speaker 4 (01:21:57):
Well, yeah, I know that they settled for half of it
$787 million.

Speaker 3 (01:22:04):
Okay, so they, and this is where I believe.

Speaker 2 (01:22:08):
What was the dude?
That fucking the Kenoshashooter, that kid.
What did he sue CNN for?
Did he sue Fuck?

Speaker 5 (01:22:16):
yeah, he did.
He won Kyle Rittenhouse, kyle.

Speaker 2 (01:22:18):
Rittenhouse.

Speaker 4 (01:22:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:22:19):
That motherfucker made a billion dollars.

Speaker 4 (01:22:21):
No, the fuck he didn't.

Speaker 3 (01:22:22):
I bet you damn close.
He's rolling in the dough.

Speaker 2 (01:22:25):
I bet you fucking close.
I bet you 500 million.
It may not be a billion, butyou're rolling Hold on hold on
hold on.

Speaker 3 (01:22:30):
Before we get too far .
We've got to in order here.

Speaker 4 (01:22:33):
I'll bet you a blowjob.

Speaker 9 (01:22:34):
Whoa.

Speaker 2 (01:22:38):
Unless it's you, it ain't worth that much.
Hey, put your mouth where yourmouth is.
That motherfucker made a shitton of money.

Speaker 3 (01:22:46):
Don't look it up, because it's behind closed doors
.
They won't release it and youbet a blowjob, dude.
And we got it recorded.

Speaker 2 (01:22:59):
He had motherfuckers fired because of it?

Speaker 3 (01:23:01):
Yeah, he did so.
The Fairness Doctrine you guysremember hearing about that on
the news lately.
So in 1987, during the Reaganadministration, the FCC
abolished the Fairness Doctrine,prompting some to urge its
reintroduction through eithercommission policy or
congressional legislation.
The FCC removed the rule thatimplemented the policy from the

(01:23:24):
Federal Register in 2011.
So basically, what the Stupidfrickin' Apple computers?
Frickin' garbage.

Speaker 4 (01:23:33):
Get your shit together, boy.

Speaker 3 (01:23:34):
So basically what?
The fairness doctrine of theUnited States Federal
Communications Commission thatwas introduced in 1949 was a
policy that required the holdersof broadcast licenses to
present controversial issues ofpublic importance and to do so
in a manner that fairlyreflected differing viewpoints.
That was removed from law in1987 during the Reagan

(01:23:57):
administration.
I think, and it says right herefairness doctrine is not the
same as the equal time rulewhich NBC just got fricking
fined for it is not the samething.
This is talking about factualaccuracy in news reporting.
They need to put this back in.
They do.

Speaker 4 (01:24:16):
I agree, I absolutely fucking agree.

Speaker 3 (01:24:18):
Have you heard this?
Have you heard about this?
I've heard a little bit aboutit yes.
Yeah, me too.

Speaker 4 (01:24:24):
I fucking agree 100%.
It's not just Fox News, it'sMSNBC.

Speaker 3 (01:24:31):
Oh, it's both of them , it is, it's CNN, and it's
every single one of them, and Iagree.

Speaker 5 (01:24:36):
Present the news and let the person dissect it how
they choose.
Yeah.
But, don't try and steer thisway and steer that way.
Well, here's the problem.

Speaker 3 (01:24:43):
Because then it becomes propaganda and not news
1990, 1990.

Speaker 4 (01:24:52):
What here's the problem 1990?
What here's the problem withthat is now we have YouTube and
the Internet.
That's where I watch.
Most of my news is on YouTube.
I watch most of my news there.
I don't go with the.

Speaker 3 (01:25:04):
With the Young Turks.
I do.

Speaker 4 (01:25:06):
I watch the Young Turks.
I watch he gets it from theKardashians.

Speaker 5 (01:25:09):
Yeah, the hell I fucking hate them.

Speaker 4 (01:25:13):
I can't say I've never watched an episode of that
fucking show Keeping up withthe Kardashians Not one.
Do you have any comments Onwhat On here?
So yeah, this legacy media isdying.
It's dying.
Yeah, this legacy media isdying, but I don't think that

(01:25:34):
Fox News is going to die.
Msnbc is going to die, CNN isgoing to die, but I don't think
Fox News is going to die Now,just because the conservatives
are winning this information warwhich they are doesn't make
them right.
But it goes in cycles.
The Nazis won the informationwar in Germany.
Wait a minute.

(01:25:55):
Does it mean they were right.

Speaker 2 (01:25:59):
Let me say this it goes in cycles.

Speaker 5 (01:26:03):
Is that the last one?

Speaker 2 (01:26:05):
Yeah, it's the last cookie.
You're shit out of luck.
He'll share it with you, butyou're going to be like what was
that Disney movie we starred atthe end.

Speaker 3 (01:26:14):
Lady and the Tramp.

Speaker 4 (01:26:14):
Come here.
Ryan, you guys, me and the man,Come here.
No Tramp's right next to you.
Navy guy Navy.

Speaker 5 (01:26:19):
Marine, there you go.
We need Bill here.

Speaker 2 (01:26:22):
No, I don't turn on the news cycle, right, we don't
watch the network fucking news.
It's all fucking garbage it is.

(01:26:42):
It is.
We get our news alternativesources right Twitter's,
facebook's, tiktok'subes,whatever right Truth, whatever's
out there.
That's where we get our newsfrom.
Well, listen to podcasts, and Iwholeheartedly believe that's
where Trump did well at waspodcasts.
He was smart for that.

(01:27:03):
Well the Harris campaign hadthe same thing and she wasn't
willing to go anywhere.
They had a lot of restrictions.
I'm not blaming her.
It could be the party, it couldbe whatever.
Who's pulling the stringsbehind the curtains, right?

Speaker 5 (01:27:16):
I think there's a lot more there.

Speaker 2 (01:27:18):
I think there's a lot more there that we don't know
about.
If she could have done them, Ithink she would have.
I don't think she was able todo them.
To be honest with you, Iseriously think that because I
think they still believed in theold school way of doing things,
rather than coming up with thetechnology on the way things are
actually done.

Speaker 4 (01:27:36):
She definitely should have went on the Joe Rogan
podcast.

Speaker 2 (01:27:40):
Well, but Joe Rogan even came out on Joe Rogan
Experience and said they wereonly going to give me an hour
and I had to fly to LA and I hadto set up a studio and I had to
do this.
And he's like fuck, I'm notdoing that.
If you want to be on my podcast, you're going to come here and
you're going to give me threehours.
No different than Trump did, nodifferent.
And I'm going to ask you thequestions these aren't going to
be set up questions that you'regoing to have me ask you.

(01:28:01):
It's going to be you and Ihaving a conversation.
This is not scripted, right.
We'll fact-check each other.
We'll do what we need to doduring this.
This is just a normalconversation between two people,
right, which is perfectly fine,right.
But at the end of the day, thethings that need to happen when

(01:28:22):
it comes to the newsorganizations, they are dying,
for sure, because the youngergeneration is not doing it.
And in 1990, which is where Iwas going when, brent, I was
letting you finish yourstatement but the first Gulf War
, that's when CNN started doing24-hour newscasts, right, so I

(01:28:44):
remember as a kid in the 80s,late 80s, right, the news was on
from 6 to 7, or 5 to 6, orwhatever.
It was right, right, and youhad the hour of the news, and
then it was done for the night,and then it was on to regular
programming, you know.

Speaker 4 (01:28:59):
Sanford and Sons or whatever the fuck.
Wasn't that the good old days?

Speaker 2 (01:29:01):
Whatever was coming out.
Now you have these 24-hour newscycles where you have all these
opinion pieces.
Yep, because pieces becausethey're time fillers, so they
bring all these experts on togive their opinions, probably
more than what they really know,and I think that's what's
killed the news, because thosenews stations were never meant

(01:29:23):
to be.
I have no idea what you'resaying or showing, but House is
willing to share a cookie withme?
Yeah, I bet he is Navy guys,navy guys unite.
But, and I bet you, they'llshare a cookie and they'll share
dungarees together too.
Let me guess you guys are goingto hot rack at the end of the
night.

Speaker 3 (01:29:44):
We don't use dungarees anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:29:46):
Yeah, well, back in your day you did.

Speaker 1 (01:29:48):
So anyways, so anyways, back in my day so
anyways.

Speaker 2 (01:29:51):
Definitely an obvious day, you know, but I mean, I
think that's kind of what killedit, because then it became more
opinion and it became fact.
Billy's a lot older than us.
No offense, I'm not calling youout for your age.
No, I am, but you're probably10 years older than me and I'm
probably the oldest guy sittingat the table right.
I'm 57.
Yeah, so you're 10 years older.

Speaker 4 (01:30:10):
I'm older than you are my birthday's tomorrow.
I'm 48.

Speaker 2 (01:30:13):
Is it really?
Yeah, oh shit man.
Congratulations.
Happy birthday brother.

Speaker 4 (01:30:17):
Yeah, made it one more year.
Goddamn.

Speaker 2 (01:30:21):
I'm surprised your wife let you do it, right he's
got a lot of grades here, but Ibet you, billy, would be better,
because he's 10 years olderthan me so he probably remembers
better than I do.
When the news came on it waslike a big deal 24-7.
You stopped dinner, you stoppedeverything.
You watched the news.
I'm not saying the WalterCronkite years, but you know I
mean, but when the news came onit was actually what the news

(01:30:44):
was about.

Speaker 5 (01:30:45):
Right, but that's when family sat down at a dinner
table together, yeah, and nowit's 24-hour regurgitation of
the same bullshit Of the samebullshit, yes you know, and a
hundred different opinions onhow things should be, and.

Speaker 2 (01:30:58):
I really think that's ruined it.
So I watch.
So I have IPTV, so I watch SkyNews, I watch Britain News and
not the BBC, but there'salternatives.

Speaker 4 (01:31:09):
I'm sure they have standards in Europe, australia.

Speaker 3 (01:31:12):
Australia's Sky News is freaking hilarious.
Sky News is great because theyroast us.

Speaker 2 (01:31:17):
They roast us Terrible they do.
They were like these peoplethink they're free the fuck they
are.
They cut on everybody.
They'll cut on Trump.
They'll cut on Harris.
They'll cut on the Democrats.
They'll cut on the fuckingRepublicans.
They're like They'll cut onHarris.
They'll cut on the Democrats.
They'll cut on the fuckingRepublicans.
They're like thesemotherfuckers have no idea.
Like it's insane what they doto us.
Yep, and if more Americanswatched overseas news about

(01:31:38):
America, they'd probably learn ashit ton.
And that's see, that's theproblem, because our media is so
controlled it's insane.

Speaker 3 (01:31:45):
That's the problem.
No, it is.
So here's something I want toask and this might take us off
the politics tangent a littlebit but with our background in
serving the country, right, Turnthe volume up.
I got it as high as it'll go.
Are they talking about the live?

Speaker 1 (01:32:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:32:03):
So then we got to start speaking towards the
camera over there.
Just bring it forward a littlebit if you can, don't tip it
over.

Speaker 2 (01:32:13):
Just bring it forward a little bit if you can.
Don't tip it over, man, let me.

Speaker 5 (01:32:16):
let me turn the fan off as long as you're feeling.

Speaker 2 (01:32:18):
Also, you tell me if this is any better.

Speaker 5 (01:32:20):
I'm gonna turn the fan off right above you there we
go as long as you're what aslong as you're what as long as
you're the filling in that oreocookie no, I always have the.

Speaker 4 (01:32:35):
Uh, I always have the cream filling for you bud tell
house, I miss him up here, areyou sure I do?

Speaker 2 (01:32:41):
miss him.
So he actually took a brand newjob down to detroit he did so.
He is a I don't know if it'slicensed or registered engineer,
so he's the CAD guy that doesthe drawings for mechanical
whatever SpaceX to whatever abuilding, whatever you're going

(01:33:03):
to build.
Some guy in the shop is goingto build something.
He has that degree to be ableto be the guy that puts all the
measurements out and you buildoff the drawings, like I have in
my office.
He's that guy, he's an engineer.
So I think it's more mechanicalmechanical engineering.
He would blueprint an engine,basically right, build the

(01:33:25):
engine and what hisspecifications are.
He's that guy he's pretty yeahhe just I wouldn't go.
He's smart.
He has a fucking degree fromCMU.
It's not like he's got an Ivydegree.
It's no offense to him.

Speaker 3 (01:33:44):
My point earlier was that the names of the colleges
don't mean shit.

Speaker 2 (01:33:50):
He's definitely good at what he does, obviously right
.
So he just took a job down inDetroit.
So he's living down there.

Speaker 3 (01:33:56):
He's got some houses up here in the Mount Pleasant
area, rosebush area, but yeah,so my question I was going to
pose to you guys was, with ourbackgrounds of serving the
country and being overseas andseeing other countries,
especially what we wouldprobably consider third world

(01:34:17):
countries, Some of us more thanothers.

Speaker 2 (01:34:19):
Yep, real quick.
You guys want me to call GLN onhis immigration, the way he
came.

Speaker 3 (01:34:25):
Yeah, as a brown guy, let's take this to him.

Speaker 2 (01:34:30):
We'll keep talking and.
I'll message him see if he'savailable.
Okay.

Speaker 3 (01:34:34):
So and we'll talk about, yeah, we'll use this to
lead into immigration.
So my question is freedom.
You know how your typical andaverage American might describe
that, as Charlie was saying, theinternational viewpoint is
going to be a hell of a lotdifferent than what we might
describe that, as Charlie wassaying, the international
viewpoint is going to be a hellof a lot different than what we
would describe it.
So my question is those of uswell, all of us we're VFW

(01:34:59):
members, so to qualify, we'vegot to be boots on the ground
somewhere overseas.
Having seen those things incomparison, do we have more
freedoms than they do?
Absolutely, but here's thequestion Do you feel that too
much freedom is a bad thing aswell?

(01:35:21):
Because the argument that I'mmaking is people get too
comfortable with what we have.
Nobody's ever stepped footoutside of our country and
they've got all these opinionsabout how the world works and
it's you know.
I don't know if some of it'sfactually accurate or not, but

(01:35:44):
at the end of the day, I guessthat's the question I'm trying
to pose as to whether or not.
What do you think?
Because the quote in my head isyou know, good men create good
times, good times create weakmen.
Weak men create bad times, andbad times create strong men.

Speaker 4 (01:35:59):
So here's my thought about this, and I've thought
about this a lot actually.
If you go to Europe let's sayyou go to Amsterdam you think
we're free here.
Them motherfuckers in Amsterdamare free.
That's freedom.
Over there, they're free to doalmost whatever they want.

(01:36:20):
Hookers are free.
I mean hookers are legal.

Speaker 3 (01:36:26):
They're not free.

Speaker 4 (01:36:28):
All drugs are decriminalized.
All drugs are decriminalizedover there, and yet they don't
have the type of problems therethat we do here.

Speaker 2 (01:36:41):
All right, I'm going to call Giovanni here in a
second.
I was just messaging with him.
So this is my niece's husband.
Came here legally left, cameback legal as a brown guy, Yep,
you know.
So this goes back on our lastpodcast.

(01:37:02):
Let me call him in here in aminute.

Speaker 4 (01:37:05):
And so Americans have a problem with excess.
Oh yeah, we have a problem withexcess.
Yep, we get something and wejust we'll fuck it up, just
because we you know what I mean.
Like weed is legal, oh shit,we're just going to.

Speaker 2 (01:37:23):
Hey G, how's it going ?

Speaker 9 (01:37:26):
Very good, just walking.

Speaker 2 (01:37:28):
Just working, huh.

Speaker 9 (01:37:30):
Walking actually.

Speaker 2 (01:37:31):
Oh, you're walking, All right.

Speaker 9 (01:37:32):
hey, so you're on Into a quiet on Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:37:39):
You working tonight.

Speaker 9 (01:37:46):
All right.

Speaker 2 (01:37:49):
So in our last podcast here at the VFW we were
talking about some immigrationstuff, right?

Speaker 9 (01:37:56):
our last podcast here at the VFW.
We were talking about someimmigration stuff, right.

Speaker 2 (01:37:59):
Yeah, I heard a little bit of stuff about last
night.
Yeah, so I obviously broughtyou up because we experienced
that with you and Steph right,yes, how you came to America and
how you had to leave and thencome back illegally and all
those different things.
Right, and I married you,remarried you in DC years ago

(01:38:20):
and we wanted to have just alittle bit of your experience on
what it was like to come here,leave and then come back.
You know, I know from mypersonal experience, right being
able to.
I know from my personalexperience, right being able to
FaceTime you when you were backin El Salvador waiting to come

(01:38:42):
back and all the rigmarole thatyou had to go through.
Yeah, was it more on theAmerican side for you, the
struggle to come back, or was iton the El Salvador government
side for you the struggle tocome back, or was it on the El
Salvador government side for youto come back?
Or kind of what was yourexperience?

Speaker 9 (01:39:05):
I believe it was more .
Actually, it was both sidesInside my country, which I still
have no idea who runs theembassies there and the people
that works, who qualifies whofor the government and who calls

(01:39:30):
the shots?
You know, call the shots, youknow.
And because, at the end of theday, it was me trying to do the
the things in the right way, uh,which you know, I, I got the
opportunity to tell you lord andmarry an american citizen and

(01:39:55):
then, um, I entered the countryillegally when I was a teenager
and then so, through the, theprocess for people who enter the
country illegally is like, ifyou able to qualify for one of
the, the things is you need toleave the country and come back

(01:40:18):
legally, which is a wholeprocess through immigration, and
then go for an interview insidethe US embassy and, you know,
run your background check.
You're a good person, you're adad, yes, you're a citizen.

(01:40:38):
It doesn't grant you anything,but if you do, then you're good
to go.

Speaker 2 (01:40:50):
So I guess one of the guys here at the podcast
tonight.
His wife immigrated from Poland, so she is a legal US citizen,
right?

Speaker 4 (01:41:02):
Yes she is.

Speaker 2 (01:41:05):
She's a doctor.
She did her med school inPoland, came here and did a
residency I'm assuming right orsomething similar.
Yeah she did a residency here.

Speaker 4 (01:41:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:41:14):
So his wife did something similar to you, right,
or something similar.
Yeah, she did a residency here.
So his wife did somethingsimilar to you, right Immigrated
back to America.
She immigrated to Americalegally.
You were illegal, had to leaveand come back legally.

Speaker 4 (01:41:29):
Here's the thing.
She came here illegallyinitially, my wife, she was
illegal.
Then she filed her paperwork.
Don't ask me why we did this,uh, but her parents came to
visit and we left and went to.

(01:41:51):
We would fly her every threemonths out of the country.
Right, we go to mexico,whatever, just to reset her visa
, because it was a tourist visa,but once we filed the paperwork
, can't leave no more.
don't ask me why we did this,but we went to niagara falls
with her parents and then cameback like we weren't leaving the

(01:42:13):
fucking country.
But we did.
And we were in there at PortHuron for two hours with her.
They were going through everyline by line.
Why this?
Why that she was in thereshaking like a leaf, but they
let her in.
They let her back in.
I don't know why they did it,but they did.

Speaker 9 (01:42:57):
So, Gio, as an illegal immigrant, why did you
feel it was necessary to leavethe United States and come back
legally to file for residency,To get your, to get my green
card?
It's like, first I need to filefor a what is a waiver for
entering the country illegally,so they approve it, it's fine, I
don't have any criminal recordsor anything.

(01:43:18):
But I need to leave the countryand re-enter the country
legally.
It's a requirement.
It's not like a choice.
But in the US Embassy in ElSalvador you have to go to an
interview again with the USofficials.
But previous to that you haveto go through a screening

(01:43:46):
process with the government overthere, which is drugs.
I don't know if they have anytype of disease.
I don't know if I have any typeof disease.
I don't want you to bring Idon't know any disease to the
country, even though I just cameback to the country a week ago

(01:44:07):
and that's how things get rigged.
Where I go to get my blood test,I'm fine.
Then I go to psychologicalevaluations.
Then this guy had to, you know,identify me as an aggressive
person or a person that has likepsychological problems, you

(01:44:30):
know.

Speaker 2 (01:44:33):
Yeah, so when I was talking to you when you were
back in El Salvador, right, itseemed to me like it was more a
money grab on the El Salvadorianside for you to get your
medical release right to come tothe United States than it was a

(01:44:53):
hang-up on the US government toget you to come back.

Speaker 9 (01:44:59):
Oh yeah, that's 100%.
That's 100% over there.

Speaker 2 (01:45:02):
Right.
So they didn't want you toleave, and if you were going to
leave, they wanted you to spendthe money to come here, right?

Speaker 9 (01:45:11):
They wanted you to spend the money, but this is
people that are qualified by theUS government at some point.
Because it's not like you cango any you know practitioner
over there and be like, hey, Ineed a blood sample for the US
Embassy.

(01:45:31):
No, the US Embassy has a listof doctors and clinics where you
need to go.
You need to go to these placesand they send the results
straight to the US Embassy and,based on those results, you go

(01:45:52):
to your appointment for thefinal interview, where you have
all your stuff together for thatto say, okay, you're healthy,
you have psychological problems,you're not a gangster, you know
, because they actually made medo that, yes, 100% naked, to see

(01:46:13):
if I have a single tattoo.
When it comes to gangsters,which is, you know, one of the
main problems in the South Pole,used to be at least back in
2016.

Speaker 4 (01:46:27):
They're all here now, right.

Speaker 9 (01:46:30):
I'm here now yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:46:31):
In Aurora Colorado Gangsters.
The El Salvador gangsters.

Speaker 9 (01:46:36):
Now the gangsters are here.

Speaker 2 (01:46:41):
So, Gio, did I not give you a Spanglish dictionary
one time at Christmas?

Speaker 9 (01:46:49):
Spanglish dictionary.

Speaker 2 (01:46:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (01:46:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:46:53):
Yeah, because I really like it tonight, because
we're on a podcast, so you'rebroadcast over Facebook and
everything else and Spotify andour radio.
I would appreciate it if youtalked English so we can all
understand you.

Speaker 9 (01:47:09):
Did I say a Spanish word that I'm not familiar with?

Speaker 2 (01:47:13):
I don't know.
I will let my niece dictatetonight when she hears this.
But no, I really appreciate youbeing on because, as we've had
which, I don't really care whereyour political allegiances lie,
right, I would assume that youvoted in the last presidential

(01:47:33):
election, right?

Speaker 4 (01:47:34):
But are you a US citizen?

Speaker 9 (01:47:35):
No, no, no, no.
You're not going to believe.
I couldn't.
I tried, even though I became aUS resident.
I'm an alien.
I'm not a resident, I'm analien, you're not a citizen, yet
, no, I'm an alien.

Speaker 4 (01:47:51):
Yeah, so he can't vote.
So he can't vote.

Speaker 9 (01:47:56):
He alien, so he can't .
So he can't vote.
I can't vote.
But even though I got my greencard in 2019, I don't have the
physical one yet because afterCOVID, they keep sending.
It's just like excuses afterexcuses.
I don't know why.

Speaker 2 (01:48:15):
So let me ask you this is just you don't have to
answer it if you don't want toanswer it If you could have
voted in the last presidentialelection, being a legal and now
legal immigrant, if you want toanswer, who would you have voted
for in the last presidentialelection?

(01:48:37):
And you're more than welcome tosay I don't want to answer it.
But if you had the option tovote and you could have voted
and you want to tell us, Fromthe illegal.

Speaker 9 (01:48:55):
You know me, I become a businessman here in DC and
right now I'll go towardswhatever makes me money and you
know, business-wise and Ibelieve Trump was the best
option for that, and I believeyou know Trump was the best
option for that.

(01:49:15):
But I mean, I don't.
I really don't like the way heexpressed himself about, you
know, illegals and all that kindof stuff.
You know he said we it's notdumping people here in the US,
it's not like I'm in Salvadorand the president said oh, you

(01:49:35):
know what, go to the UnitedStates and fuck shit up.
You know, sorry, yeah, I don'tknow.

Speaker 2 (01:49:43):
No, what we're looking for right.

Speaker 9 (01:49:45):
Because I heard from the previous podcast.
It's like I hear some of youguys.
Maybe I know Charlie, I knowmaybe other people Do.
I know anybody else in there?

Speaker 2 (01:49:56):
No, I know Charlie.
I know maybe other people Do.
I know anybody else in?

Speaker 9 (01:49:59):
there?
No, you probably don't.
You've never met anybody but me.
I'm very familiar with yourunpleasant people, but I hear
people saying you know they'resending.
Let me tell you that's not howit is.
It's not like I get qualified.
I'm a criminal and I'm notqualified to go to the US and

(01:50:21):
just whatever.
Or they're dumping.
The suburb is safer becausethey're dumping all the
criminals in the US and that'snot how it is.
Ifiminals are running away fromthere.
Yeah, I don't think that's agood thing, and the US have open
border.
That's a different story.

Speaker 2 (01:50:39):
There's legitimate people seeking salvation.
But, because of open border thecriminals are running into it?
Are you and Steph coming herefor Thanksgiving?

Speaker 9 (01:50:51):
I believe we're not no For Christmas.
Possibly Okay, we don't knowyet.

Speaker 2 (01:51:00):
Which is good, so you and I can have an offline
conversation later.
Trust me, everybody here at thetable this is the reason why I
want to have you call in,because you are my best
representative of someone that'sgone through the system and or
has an outside perspectivethat's not involved here at the

(01:51:21):
table.
Right, you obviously know thatI love you, no different than my
niece, right, but I always lovethe difference in opinions.
Right, you're allowed yours,I'm allowed mine.
Let's have an adultconversation about things.

(01:51:41):
And I don't think and there'sdifferent people at the table
tonight than there were the lastpodcast that you probably
listened to we don't think that,and we're primarily probably
talking about Venezuela over ElSalvador.
But when we're talking aboutdumping people or doing whatever

(01:52:03):
, nobody I think at this tablehas any adverse effect over
bringing people to this country,as long as they do it legally
Right.
Over bringing people to thiscountry as long as they do it
legally right.
So, no different.
If I decided to fly over to ElSalvador on a visa and
overextend my stay, would I notgo to jail or prison or be

(01:52:27):
deported?
Right, we should be doing thathere as well, right?
So it's not that we don't wantpeople to come here, but we want
to know who's coming here, whythey're coming here and what
they bring to.
America no different if we didit to your country.
No different if we did it toyour country.
We want to know, your countrywould want to know why you're

(01:52:49):
here, why you're staying, whyyou're not going home or doing
whatever, and what do you bringto the table.
You know what I mean.
So it's not that, as you know,right, you live in Washington DC
.
You're an owner of multiplerestaurants, head chef of those
multiple restaurants and do allthose things.
You bring a lot of assets tothe table, so you're a welcome

(01:53:19):
member of society.
What most Americans I think areworried about are people coming
here that soak off the system,right, they get the welfare,
they get the housing, they getthe food assistance, they get
whatever, and they don't bring atangible asset.
You're probably an anomaly,Trey's wife, who came here from
Poland.
She's a doctor, right, so shebrings a tangible skill set,

(01:53:46):
just like you do, to America.
I don't think Americans have anissue with that.
You know what I mean.
I love my wife.

Speaker 9 (01:53:55):
No, correct Me too, and it's not a perception.
I knew.
Yet it's just, I feel like Idon't know people assuming,
assuming the illegals, and youknow, in my experience I mean DC

(01:54:18):
has the vast majority so far ofillegal influence Besides New
York, I think.
Because, I do hire people.
I lived there for a year hereto work in the restaurants and
you know I'm not saying I'mhiring illegals and stuff like

(01:54:41):
that.
I'm not immigration, I work forimmigration.

Speaker 4 (01:54:44):
Not saying you are, but you're not saying you're not
.

Speaker 9 (01:54:48):
If you qualify for the job.
You qualify for the job, bingo.
But I also work in nightclubs.
You know, right, you being here, this is a massive nightclub
and I run into people where youknow.
They come to me and they see meand it's like what are you?

(01:55:08):
Are you at the drug dealer?
Are you a fucking gang memberor what is it?
I'm like no, why do you assumethat?
But then these kind of peopleit's the same situation that is
happening in Salvador.
In Salvador now the borders havetightened up so much, if you

(01:55:30):
see, now they're ceasing drugoperation over there, like for
drugs to come from Colombia.
They got across for CentralAmerica at some point and
they're ceasing tons of drugsover there and really nobody's
talking about it.
But then people entering thecountry I did enter illegally,

(01:55:54):
yes, but I'm maybe 90 percent.
The people who come here wantto do good things, but then
there's always that 10 percentof you know that messed up
people who leave and runningaway from either Guatemala,

(01:56:16):
because whole Central America isa big problem.
They're running away from cops,it's not just poverty, they're
just legal situations they'rerunning away from and they come
into the country and then I'mliterally in the most powerful
city of the world and if I'mrunning into a MS-13 gang member

(01:56:42):
trying to like say things to me, I'm like bro, don't, don't.
You know I hired one of themand he's like bro, don't, do
that stuff here over here.
We're not in Salvador anymore.
There will be repercussions foryou if you're trying to pull up
that stuff over here.
We're not in salvador anymore.
There'll be repercussions foryou if you're trying to pull up
that stuff over here.
So you need to get, get out ofhere, move on.

(01:57:05):
But you're not gonna do that.
So, yeah, I see the concern fromother people saying do not have
open borders.
It's not the right way to do,but there is no.
Also, the government is notstopping sanctuary cities for
hiring people, you know, becausethese people still come here,

(01:57:29):
get jobs or not or just goaround.
I mean, the situation in DC isout of hands, where the crime is
going crazy high.
You might as well leave withthe windows open, because you
know you're going to find yourcar with the windows broken at

(01:57:51):
the end of the night when you'regoing to work, you know,
because it has gone so crazyhard the the crime over here.
So, yes, in my opinion, myopinion, uh, open borders
because right now, people, ourfriends, have probably been here
for 15, 20 years and they stillthe immigration cases are not

(01:58:12):
being even to view.
But if you're venezuel I'm not,I'm probably anybody with
Venezuela, anybody hearing thisbut if you're Venezuelan,
whatever Colombian, you can getacross the Mexican border and
then you can get a court in theUS and your court date is five

(01:58:33):
years from now and they give youa permit to work if you apply
in the US and your court date isfive years from now and they
give you a permit to work if youapply in the next three days,
just because you can be.
I don't know, that's what Iknow.

Speaker 2 (01:58:46):
No, yeah, and I think this is what we're saying is
the immigration system in theUnited States is broken, right?
We've said this forever on thispodcast.
It's not that we will notaccept immigrants coming to the
United States.
We need to.
There's no doubt about it,because no offense to all of us

(01:59:10):
that are here that are Americanwe're lazy, right.
We need people to do certainjobs, certain things.
It's not that we're notaccepting of them.
So Trey's wife's a doctor.
We need doctors, but we don'tneed a million and five day
laborers.

Speaker 4 (01:59:29):
We need fruit pickers .

Speaker 2 (01:59:32):
We don't need a million and five of them.

Speaker 4 (01:59:34):
You white folks ain't going to do that.
Well, but For sure you ain'tdoing that.

Speaker 2 (01:59:39):
Right, but maybe those farmers need to up the pay
to do it.

Speaker 4 (01:59:44):
Yeah, because if they don't have, if they up the pay,
then now your grocery bill isgoing to go up and you're going
to bitch even more.

Speaker 2 (01:59:51):
Well, but here's the difference.
There's no difference inraising the minimum wage, right?
So at the end of the day excuseme, I don't think anybody's
saying that we don't needimmigrants, but at some point it
would be no different.
If I went to El Salvador and Iextended my stay, I'm probably
going to end up in a jail, right?

(02:00:12):
We don't do that.
You probably wouldn't you?

Speaker 9 (02:00:14):
can't work over there unless you don't have a permit.
I mean the same thing you go toEurope, right?
I mean we Salvadorians, theSalvadorian country I'm just
talking about Salvadorianbecause I'm not Mexican and
sometimes you and I we jokeabout where Salvador is in
Mexico.

Speaker 2 (02:00:33):
You guys are all the same to me.

Speaker 4 (02:00:40):
But Americans have geography problems,
unfortunately.
Here's the problem.
Here's the problem that I seeis that there's well-meaning
folks like you and you and youwho say, yeah, people should
come, and Billy yes.

Speaker 6 (02:01:01):
No, Billy was the racist member.

Speaker 4 (02:01:03):
People should come here legally, they should come
here legally, and so on and soforth.
But I don't think that theTrump administration wants brown
people here period.

Speaker 2 (02:01:17):
I think that's totally false.
I think that's a crazynarrative.
We need brown people.

Speaker 9 (02:01:23):
Who is brown people?
If you're brown, for me Indians.

Speaker 4 (02:01:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (02:01:28):
For me.

Speaker 4 (02:01:29):
Well, brown people speak louder for their lives.
Brown people to me is anybodythat's fucking brown he's saying
.

Speaker 2 (02:01:39):
He's saying brown is anybody between central American
brown to Indian brown.

Speaker 5 (02:01:48):
Africa brown so I but Trey is tan, so he's kind of,
he's kind of outside.

Speaker 3 (02:01:57):
He's virtually ambiguous.

Speaker 4 (02:01:59):
Listen, they say they want to get rid of these
illegal immigrants right?
The Trump administration wantsto get rid of these illegal
immigrants and find out whathappens once they start.
They're not going to stop there.
They're not going to stop thereand they're going to take
people like your nephew, gio.

Speaker 9 (02:02:18):
I think it's a waste of time because for people I
know some people they have beendeported and 20 days later
they're back in the country.
So why would you wastethousands of dollars?
Why would you waste thousandsof dollars?
Why would you waste thousandsof dollars deporting the people

(02:02:40):
when 30 days later, this isgoing to be billions, billions
of dollars.

Speaker 2 (02:02:44):
Because I think, gio and this is me speaking but I
think if we deport them rightand we make them come back the
way that you did right as awe're not and we make them come
back the way that you did right,we're not going to let them
come back, but wait a minute youcome back as a member of
society, same reason why weimprisoned you, yeah but for me

(02:03:07):
to do that, I spent over $15,000to get that $15,000.

Speaker 4 (02:03:14):
So wait a minute so wait a minute.

Speaker 2 (02:03:15):
So wait a minute.
Let me ask you a question then,Gio Was it worth the $15,000 to
come back?

Speaker 9 (02:03:22):
It was worth, but I don't think a lot of people can
make that money Okay.

Speaker 2 (02:03:28):
So then, no offense.
I can't afford in the UnitedStates to get a drunk driving
and pay $7,000 in fees and myjail time and everything else,
to go to jail and pay to get mylicense back and everything else
.
I can't afford the $7,000.
Maybe I shouldn't drink anddrive.
So no offense.

(02:03:50):
You come to America, you getkicked out and it's going to
cost you $15,000 to come back.
Maybe you should save up andnot come here.

Speaker 9 (02:03:59):
I think you guys need to understand.
I did not get kicked out.
If anybody gets kicked out ofthe country, you're gone for the
next 10 years.

Speaker 2 (02:04:10):
We know you did what I'm saying is if it's worth
$15,000 to come to America,would you not pay it?
Obviously, it is because youpaid it.

Speaker 9 (02:04:23):
Everyone wants to go through that funnel of you
qualify for green card, becausethe only way to get a green card
right now is possibly, if I'mnot wrong, through marriage and
through business only if you'rean investor.

(02:04:44):
But pre-order administrations,you know, if I am your employee,
I can grant you with the work,but not me personally.
Like I just said, the owner ofthe business will be able to
grant you with a sponsorship, soyou'll be able to get your,

(02:05:06):
your green before the previous,I mean not this one, I think was
Nathan.
But the way the works right nowis like that you just marry a
citizenship, a citizen, andthere's no other way.
But even if you marry a personlike that, you still got to get

(02:05:29):
a lawyer which is a minimum of$6,000, $7,000 to start the case
, which is a minimum of $6,000,$7,000 to start the case, and
then another A-50 to send thepermits, the forms, to the US
immigration offices and if youget approved, if you get

(02:05:50):
approved, so, on the reverseside, if I were to become an El
Salvadorian citizen, is it freeor is it going to cost me money?

(02:06:19):
No, if you want to start overthere.

Speaker 2 (02:06:22):
But it's still going to cost me money, correct?
I'm still?

Speaker 9 (02:06:27):
going to have to hire lawyers?
Very little, very little.

Speaker 2 (02:06:30):
Well, but are you talking exchange rate little, or
are you just talking about?

Speaker 9 (02:06:37):
Back home right now, things have changed differently
and the president is going moretowards bringing people to
invest money and giving them thebest assistance when it comes
to opening your business Right.

Speaker 2 (02:06:54):
So my instance is we have enough immigrants here now.
We don't need any more.
So if you want to come herelegally, it's going to cost you
money.
I go to your country.
You need people, so you'rewilling to take anybody and
everybody.
Now, if the shoe is on theother foot right, you guys have

(02:07:17):
enough people you don't needanymore it's probably going to
cost me money to become an ElSalvadorian citizen, establish a
business and do whatever.
Right?
So it's going to cost moneybecause you don't need anybody
else, right?
So you're only going to takethe best of the best to
immigrate to El Salvador.
You know what I'm saying?
So what I'm saying is it's notthat the US wants no immigrants.

(02:07:42):
We're not about that at all.
Come here, we want you.
Trump just wants them to bewhite.
No, but we need to haveproductive citizens just like
yourself, correct, right.
So we don't need anybody andeverybody, but we need to have
productive citizens just likeyourself, right, correct, yeah,
right.
So we don't need anybody andeverybody.
I said this at the last podcast.
When my family came over herein the 1800s, they had to

(02:08:06):
register.
They got told where they went.
There was no social bailouts Ifyou want to come here, it's a
different size of the coin.

Speaker 9 (02:08:17):
It is, and it is because I mean from the
humanitarian side and I know allof you are good people, you
know you humanitarian side wouldsay why would I not welcome
women who's running from thegangs in Salvador or Honduras?

Speaker 4 (02:08:35):
or running away with two, three kids.

Speaker 9 (02:08:37):
You know from there and you, as a good person, you
will welcome this person and tryto help her out.
But what about me?
What about me that I say myselfthat I haven't got a woman
pregnant?
I don't have.
Yes, I'm a Salvadorian, and wenormally have five kids with
five different women.
But I'm not.
I studied.
I don't have yes, I'm aSalvadorian, and we normally
have five kids with fivedifferent women.
But I'm not.

(02:08:58):
I studied, I went to collegeand then I'm here.
You know, I made it.
I stay over my visa, but Icannot get a work permit or
green card, because the only wayto get a green card is, if only
I'm a single mother Right, youknow, from an American, because

(02:09:20):
if this kid is born here, yeah,then you're granted.
Yeah, this mother is grantedwith all the benefits Social
security, I mean insurance,insurance and it's like, okay,
so you can be, you know, a wifeof a really gangster in Salvador

(02:09:41):
.
But you made it through theborders.
Now you're here, your kid isborn in the US and all of a
sudden you have all the benefitspossible, right, just like in
other America.
But me.
I went to university, I went tocollege or whatever.
I qualified for everything, butI'm not a single model, so you

(02:10:02):
know it puts you in a badposition, where being a
humanitarian, you know, andtrying to help somebody, is a
good thing, but all right 100%agree with you, gino G and I,
all of us here tonight,appreciate you.

Speaker 2 (02:10:25):
Yeah, I think you deserve it, I mean, 100% Of
letting me, letting us call youin tonight.
You know we had thisconversation a couple weeks ago
about immigrants and the waythey come in and the hamstrings
and Trey he's the Democrat ofthe group we only want white

(02:10:48):
people and I don't think that'snecessarily the truth, right.

Speaker 4 (02:10:51):
Well, you don't, you don't, no, roy doesn't.

Speaker 2 (02:10:55):
Billy doesn't.
What we want is people comingin the legal way.
So G came here as a teenagerillegally left, came back the
legal way.
Did it cost a lot of money?
Sure.

Speaker 4 (02:11:07):
But what if he never left and went back, but so Gio.

Speaker 9 (02:11:11):
No, it's still illegal.

Speaker 4 (02:11:13):
Yeah, gio, when you came here, right when you left,
were you married to Stephanie.

Speaker 9 (02:11:20):
No, you weren't married yet yeah, no, when I
left, I was married.
Yes, I was married and that'spart of the process, Because my
chances to re-entry were, youknow, 90%.

Speaker 4 (02:11:34):
So how is it that you had to go back, but my wife, as
a white woman, didn't have togo back Because she's a doctor?
She wasn't a doctor then too.

Speaker 9 (02:11:46):
She possibly came under a visa.

Speaker 4 (02:11:49):
She came on a tourist visa and overstayed it.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, so that's adifferent story.

Speaker 9 (02:11:53):
Overstaying your visa is differently than me.
You know jumping.

Speaker 2 (02:11:58):
He came with no visa.
He came on a bus.
I came.

Speaker 9 (02:12:04):
I jumped a wire back in 2004 or 2005,.
If I remember very well, theborder was a wire.
How old were you?
I was 20 years old when I came.

Speaker 4 (02:12:20):
Oh, when you came, okay, I thought you said you
were a teenager, wow.
You can't even drink 20 is anadult.
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (02:12:29):
I know.

Speaker 2 (02:12:29):
Yeah, he literally came across no papers, no visa
no, nothing, he came across.

Speaker 9 (02:12:36):
Yeah, but that wasn't an easy task.
Back right now, you take a bus,you cross mexico that's what I
know from stories that peopletell me.
You know you get a bus, youcross all mexico and get to the
border.
You, you surrender yourself tothe legal authorities and then
you have a court day.
In the next five years you canstay in the country because

(02:12:59):
you're waiting for your court,right, right, yeah, when I came,
I had to pay a coyote sixthousand dollars.
Six thousand dollars.
Back in.

Speaker 5 (02:13:12):
Back then there was a lot of money back in.

Speaker 9 (02:13:18):
Back then there was a lot of money where the marines
were doing that shit and it tookme over a month to cross the
whole mexico.

Speaker 4 (02:13:23):
It was being my friend.
I do that, I do it, and youknow I literally almost died and
it was.

Speaker 9 (02:13:28):
I was very close to death and you know, that's one
of the points where I actuallybelieve that God exists, because
I was really close to die inthat trip, damn.
And you know, yeah, you've beenstuck in these fucking high
conditions.

Speaker 3 (02:13:48):
I met it for a reason I don't know.
Well, they just had.
I believe it was an Indianfamily that came across the
Canadian border and they frozeto death.

Speaker 9 (02:13:57):
Yeah, I mean, it's a lot of people who died Right and
it's not like the first month Iwas, I would say, depressed.
I was like that's the moststupid thing I did to come here,
because the only family I hadat that time was my father.

(02:14:19):
That I never, that I did notgrow up with Right.
He's been here since the CivilWar back in the mid-'80s, so he
was here in America.
He was here, yeah, in WashingtonDC.
Oh, okay, he flew the countryduring the Civil War.

(02:14:41):
That happened in the mid-'80s,70s and 80s, between that period
of time.

Speaker 4 (02:14:48):
Well listen, gio, we really appreciate you calling up
here.
I would like to personallyapologize for the fact that
you're related to Charlie Klein.
He's not in here right now, soI can say what I want.

Speaker 3 (02:15:05):
He'll listen to this recording later.

Speaker 9 (02:15:07):
Okay, I really love everybody here.
I'm really glad that I.

Speaker 4 (02:15:14):
You've got to come up and visit us.
Yeah, we'd love to meet you,man A lot of people there.

Speaker 9 (02:15:19):
I recently was there for wine tours over Traverse
City Beautiful country.
I'm here in DC.
I've seen people over there.
People don't even believe howbeautiful it's over there.
Yeah, it certainly is, I'veseen be using pictures and you
know people, you know.

Speaker 3 (02:15:40):
You had said that you might come, you know, for like
around Christmas time orsomething.
So I'm sure if you do end upcoming here, we'll probably end
up doing an episode that you canjoin us, or even if we don't do
an episode.

Speaker 4 (02:15:54):
We'll meet up with you somewhere.

Speaker 5 (02:15:55):
We'll meet up with you somewhere.

Speaker 4 (02:15:57):
Bring them up to the post, Charlie.

Speaker 9 (02:15:59):
I was hoping for you guys to come and do a protest if
Trump didn't win.

Speaker 2 (02:16:04):
Yeah, so, g, I totally appreciate you taking
time out of one of yourrestaurants tonight.
Just so everybody knows thatmay be listening.
You're still an owner group oflike three or four different
nightclubs, slash restaurants,in DC area, correct?

Speaker 9 (02:16:26):
Yeah, yep.

Speaker 2 (02:16:29):
And the head chef, so you bring a lot to America,
right?
And the DC area, which I wasfortunate enough to visit when I
married you and Steph, and allthose different things.
We obviously had a great timethere.
Appreciate you taking some youknow, 45 minutes of your time

(02:16:51):
tonight to be able to talk to us.
Minutes of your time tonight tobe able to talk to us.
Hopefully you follow us onFacebook Soup Sandwich Podcast
and or listen on Spotify.
Iheart all those differentthings that we're on.
Yeah, of course, Totallyappreciate you and if I ever
need you, I'll reach out to you,like I did the other night.

(02:17:13):
And I definitely remember whenyou went back to El Salvador, as
you were waiting to come backto America legally, and I saw
that we were FaceTiming orwhatever, and you had the top
hat and the monocle, like youwere the guy off of Monopoly,

(02:17:36):
Right.
So you're my niece's favoritehusband, just so you know.
You might be the only one, butyou're still my favorite brother
and I wish you were going to behere for Thanksgiving in a
couple days, but hopefully Icatch you at Christmas.

Speaker 9 (02:17:54):
Cool, cool Anytime.
Thanks, man, come see catch youat Christmas.
Cool, cool Anytime.

Speaker 4 (02:17:56):
Come see us, Gio Come see us.

Speaker 9 (02:17:59):
Yeah, you all have a good night.

Speaker 2 (02:18:00):
You too See ya, bye-bye.
Yeah, such a great dude.
It was so weird because he is,unfortunately, the first
minority in my family.
It's just me and my sister andmy mom and dad, my ancestors,

(02:18:22):
alice Island we talked about it,right.
They got sent to fuckingChicago.
They've immigrated toGreenville and then to Mount
Pleasant.
Should have stayed in Chicago.
Well, that was the Al Caponedays.
I'm actually a second.
I'm actually a second.
He was an Irish cop in there,got shot and then they left

(02:18:43):
Chicago to go to Greenville.
So there's some weird historythere.

Speaker 1 (02:18:48):
Why fucking Greenville?

Speaker 2 (02:18:49):
Well, because Al Capone's mom lived in the
Brownstone next to mygreat-great-grandparents.
That was named after Charlie.
I and my grandfather playedwith Al Capone's kids.
Al Capone's kids went to thegrandma's house, yeah, yeah, and
he got shot.
He was a cop.
I have his Billy Club, hisbadge, all his bullshit.

Speaker 4 (02:19:09):
Damn Wow, you have it all yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:19:12):
So I mean there's some history there.
He got shot.
They left in the middle of thenight Like there's the family
stories right End of the day.
He's the first immigrant slashnon-white in my family.
Great, great dude, known thisguy for a long time, married my
niece and him, but he'llstraight up tell you so.

(02:19:36):
Like you know, we had thisimmigrant story, which I totally
appreciate, eva's way she camehere yeah, a little bit
different because she's a littlebit in the upper echelon, right
as far as if you're going toimmigrate somebody to america
that can produce for america.
Right, it's a doctor.
Yeah Right, this is a dudethat's an owner of nightclubs

(02:19:58):
and bars or whatever, right.
And he's a brown dude.
He's a chef, not the typicalstereotypical best of America
coming here.

Speaker 3 (02:20:08):
Hey Roy, Was Manny Martinez coming?

Speaker 5 (02:20:12):
I don't think.
So Did I say something.

Speaker 3 (02:20:15):
He said I'm outside looking for you, gents, oh.

Speaker 2 (02:20:18):
Roll out front.

Speaker 6 (02:20:18):
I don't have that update.

Speaker 2 (02:20:20):
So, anyways, what I'm trying to say is like he is the
guy when I say like I want tohear his story, or you guys hear
his story on how he came here.
It's bizarro to me, because Iwould FaceTime him right and
talk to him when he was back athome living with mom and dad,

(02:20:43):
before he came back, and all thebullshit that he came through.
I think it's important forpeople to hear what it's
actually like to come here.
Your wife's story is totallydifferent than his and there's a
different dialect, the waythings go.
Yeah, and I actually did buyhim that Spanglish dictionary
because he actually spoke prettywell tonight.

(02:21:04):
Right, right.

Speaker 4 (02:21:10):
A lot of times it's really hard to hear him and I
know it's through speakerphoneand then we're doing it through
microphones.

Speaker 1 (02:21:13):
I hope that people on the live, heard it and could
understand, because it's just,you know not that his accent was
so bad.

Speaker 4 (02:21:18):
It's just, you know, with his accent and coming
through this microphone andbeing on the phone.

Speaker 2 (02:21:23):
It's different right?
I appreciate him taking thetime.
Maybe text him.

Speaker 3 (02:21:29):
Because I did see a truck back up a while back.
So here's my question for youguys, and this is to you know,
find solutions to this.
So way back and we said this inthe last stream um, was it
during the reagan administrationthat they passed the
naturalization act and itlegalized a whole bunch of
illegal immigrants up until that, to a certain date, right?

(02:21:55):
If they were in the countrybefore that date, they were all
legalized, right.
So here's the question we knowhow fucked up our immigration is
, right.
Yeah, I know it's got itsissues and everybody is is
talking back and forth aboutillegal this, legal that back
and forth.
I and I legal that back andforth, and I think we're

(02:22:17):
fighting a losing battle.
Wow, because if we want to fixthis shit, we need to fix it
first and then figure out whatto do with the people who are
already here.

Speaker 2 (02:22:29):
Here's the deal on our side of the table and I will
bet you probably 90%, mightover, exaggerate, might not
exaggerate 80%, 75% ofRepublicans, conservatives will
100% agree with we needimmigration, right, but there's
got to be some checks andbalances, right.

(02:22:49):
We have to know who's comingand going.
If you decided you wanted to goto El Salvador or Mexico or
anything else and overextended,you're probably going to end up
in jail and deported, right?
So why do we accept it andother countries don't accept it?

(02:23:10):
There's a reason why Canadashut the shit off Mexico, mexico
.
She even said the president ofMexico, like Canada shut the
shit off Mexico, mexico.
She even said the president ofMexico said here, here's the
deal.
America's going to deport people.
If you're Mexican, we welcomeyou with open arms.
If you're not, we're shippingyour shit out of here.
She literally said it, right,the new president, right, well,

(02:23:31):
why?
Why would they say that?
And it's okay.
But we say it and it's not okay.
They're only going to takeMexicans.
They're not going to takeanybody else.
They're like hey, whatever youare, whatever country you come
from, we're getting rid of yourass, because we can't take you
Well wait a minute.

(02:23:51):
But America can do that, butthey can't do that.
So why?

Speaker 3 (02:23:58):
is it cool that they do it and we don't do it?
I would say you know what Imean?

Speaker 2 (02:24:00):
Well, I would say it's part of our heritage,
because we always say we're anation of immigrants, which is
fine, but we have to know whoyou are and why you're here and
what you bring to society.

Speaker 4 (02:24:12):
I think, with the internet and technology being
the way it is nowadays, we canfigure that out.

Speaker 3 (02:24:21):
What up, manny, welcome Big.

Speaker 2 (02:24:25):
Manny, how are you man?
A jarhead in the house.
Let me guess.

Speaker 3 (02:24:31):
Jarheads have us outnumbered.

Speaker 2 (02:24:34):
Well, I was, even if I was the only one.
There were 70 motherfuckers andyou're still outnumbered.

Speaker 5 (02:24:40):
Just saying 7-1.

Speaker 2 (02:24:41):
7-1,.
The odds aren't with the Army,guys.

Speaker 1 (02:24:44):
Now you're way outnumbered.
Now you're way outnumbered.

Speaker 4 (02:24:47):
It's three against three, I'd say we fuck them up.
That's bringing it on UFC styleTurn that camera around AJ.

Speaker 7 (02:24:53):
Skylounge slash UMM.
That's the Joe Rogan Dana Whiteexperience is coming live to
the Skylounge.

Speaker 2 (02:25:01):
tonight we're going to wrap up and make them tap out
.
Introduce yourself.
You're live on.

Speaker 3 (02:25:11):
Facebook Over there.
We're recording you throughhere and we'll be uploading that
to Spotify and iHeartRadio andwherever else we are.

Speaker 2 (02:25:20):
YouTube or something Not quite sure.
Thanks for joining us tonight.
I didn't know I was going to beon live.

Speaker 4 (02:25:27):
Now you're put on the spot.

Speaker 2 (02:25:29):
You need a beer, you need a cocktail, you need
bourbon.

Speaker 4 (02:25:31):
No, I don't drink?

Speaker 2 (02:25:33):
Oh you don't, so you need bourbon.
It's over there.
Just grab a bottle, take acouple swigs and then you'll be
right in the swing of things,but are we live really?
Yeah, we are For sure.
Look, look.

Speaker 5 (02:25:45):
Roy's got live Drink.

Speaker 2 (02:25:53):
So what brings you up tonight?
Well, I'm going to hang outwith these fellas?

Speaker 6 (02:25:57):
I didn't, so what brings you up tonight?
Well, I'm going to hang outwith these fellas.

Speaker 4 (02:26:00):
I didn't know they were going to put me on the spot
.
Yeah, well, we do a podcastevery two weeks or so.

Speaker 3 (02:26:04):
Welcome to the Soup Sandwich Podcast.

Speaker 4 (02:26:07):
And it's a veteran-based thing.

Speaker 2 (02:26:13):
Manny, who's a Mexican, obviously serves in the
.

Speaker 4 (02:26:15):
Marines?
Yeah, who's a Mexican guy.
Obviously he serves in theMarines.
Yeah, who's a Mexican guy, he'sMexican.
Are you legal, though he'slegal.
What do you call legal?

Speaker 3 (02:26:21):
We were just talking about him, I'm above age I'm
over 18.

Speaker 4 (02:26:27):
I'm not a priest, so you're not my style.
He's also you'll like this aTrump supporter.
Oh no, you're wrong.
Wait, I thought you said youwere.

Speaker 2 (02:26:38):
I never said that.

Speaker 4 (02:26:39):
What.

Speaker 2 (02:26:40):
I'm Kamala Harrison.
All the way, get the fuck outof here.

Speaker 4 (02:26:42):
I could have sworn.

Speaker 2 (02:26:43):
You said that.

Speaker 4 (02:26:44):
Did he not say that?

Speaker 2 (02:26:46):
So here's the deal.
So we started this podcast.
Oh, look at this Motherfuckingbrown motherfuckers unite all of
a sudden.
Look at this Motherfuckingground motherfuckers unite all
of a sudden.
Look at this.
Yeah, I need somebody on myteam over here.
No, it's not.
It's not here still.

Speaker 4 (02:27:00):
America is a team Thank you, thank you there you
go.

Speaker 5 (02:27:03):
You're right If we're all trying to better America,
then we're wrong.
We're not.
We're all just trying to dodifferent parts of what's better
for ourselves.

Speaker 2 (02:27:10):
You could have a different opinion than me.

Speaker 5 (02:27:12):
But, what bothers me you know, what bothers me Is
that today we are no longerconsidered American, while we're
using the bathroom.

Speaker 6 (02:27:20):
Oh, here you go which is wrong European.

Speaker 4 (02:27:25):
European.

Speaker 9 (02:27:28):
You're not American.

Speaker 4 (02:27:31):
Yeah, european, you're European, and when you
really got to go, you're notAmerican.
I'm not always.

Speaker 2 (02:27:35):
European.
Sometimes I'm you're a shit,just yeah, european.
And when you really got to go,you know that I was European.
Sometimes I'm your shit, youknow, totally depends on how
much I've had to drink tonight.
This tomorrow might be a littlehot and you really, when you
really got to go, you're notAmerican, you're Russian all

(02:27:55):
right, so introduce yourself,manny.

Speaker 3 (02:27:57):
We typically you know name and obviously you were in
the Marines.
So what'd you do?
What years did you serve Allthat good stuff?

Speaker 6 (02:28:06):
Manny Martinez is a United States Marine from 1993
to 2001.

Speaker 4 (02:28:14):
2001.
Did more time than you did.
I like it Right, you did.

Speaker 6 (02:28:18):
I had four years active, four years inactive
Awesome.

Speaker 3 (02:28:22):
When did you get out?
In 2001?
Before 9-11?

Speaker 2 (02:28:25):
Yeah, don't matter.

Speaker 3 (02:28:28):
Well, I was just curious because I heard that
some of the people who got outright before 9-11 got
stop-lossed and brought theirass right back to active duty
after.

Speaker 6 (02:28:37):
I had custody of my son and I could have went back
in, and but then they said youjust got a hand right back over
to the.

Speaker 5 (02:28:45):
Did they do a stop-loss in 01?

Speaker 2 (02:28:47):
no, it was all I thought they did.
I know the only stop-loss.

Speaker 5 (02:28:50):
I remember was 03, because I got stuck in Japan for
an extra six months.

Speaker 1 (02:28:54):
Okinawa, which yeah it was like not a painstaking
ordeal.

Speaker 5 (02:28:57):
I mean, I loved every bit of Okinawa.
Were you on Schwab?

Speaker 2 (02:29:01):
Hanson oh yeah, you on the big base.
Yeah, I was on Schwab, so um, Ithink it was uh in the ring too
, january.

Speaker 1 (02:29:09):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah so that's that's why this
is the good side.

Speaker 2 (02:29:12):
Yeah, who were you with?
So I was with First FleetAnti-Terrorism Security Team
Company, or FAST Company, out ofNorfolk, virginia, all right,
and then I was at 3rd BattalionSubmarines out of 29 Palms.

Speaker 6 (02:29:24):
I was with the 2-7.
Stumps.
Huh, I was with 2-7.

Speaker 2 (02:29:26):
The Stumps.

Speaker 9 (02:29:29):
Our.
Fast company 2-7.

Speaker 5 (02:29:30):
Yeah, so we were actually we were doing training
operations in South Korea.
Like we were there justtraining when the official like
kickoff began over in Iraq.
Yeah, and the Koreans likestarted protesting.
They weren't happy about it.
Like they were protesting, sure.
So it became like a mission.

Speaker 4 (02:29:49):
They protest all the fucking time it became like we.

Speaker 5 (02:29:51):
They had to rush us out of the field for safety
reasons to get it back on ship.
And then we ended up going toSasebo, which is mainland Japan,
for 10 days while they reloadedand restocked the ship and they
had to figure out what we weregoing to do next.
Because, with the war starting,they're like well, we're not
going to show our face onforeign soil while our brothers

(02:30:12):
are at war, so we're not goingto do Bali, hong Kong, you know.
Indonesia, australia, you knowwe're not going to do the
Westpac float.
So they refueled the ship andwe went to Guam.

Speaker 2 (02:30:22):
We did.
Tinian Guam.
So for us at 3-7, we did oursix month over to Okinawa, right
, we flew over Yep and then wedid training with the.
Did you fly through Alaska?
No, so we actually.
We actually left Anchorage,yeah, we actually left LAX, flew
straight over.
Then we went down to thePhilippines, did training with

(02:30:46):
the film.
Marines, huh, when were you in?
That deployment would have beenlike 2000, 2001.

Speaker 3 (02:30:54):
What were your active years?
Though I think is what he'sasking Is that what you're
asking?

Speaker 2 (02:30:58):
Yeah, so I went in in 98 to 02.
And then we went from there, wejumped on the Frederick and we
went up to Thailand and weworked with the time marines,
field exercises or whatevercross training and stuff with
those guys.
But I was back at 29 Palms andwe were on a 25 miler out to the

(02:31:22):
field during 9-11.
When 9-11 happened.
So actually I was in thefucking field on the march that
morning and cell phones wereringing and this was like cell
phones were scarce, like youcould still use Pagers.

Speaker 5 (02:31:38):
Yeah, they were Pagers.

Speaker 2 (02:31:39):
Pagers.
Yeah, right, so we're on a 25miler out to the field at 29
Ridgeline and all the shit outto the out to the ranges or
whatever right, and they flewhelicopters out to pick us up
and tracks and shit to get usbring us back.
But, yeah, so, yeah, it was adifferent role.

(02:32:04):
So when I was at Fast Companyout of Norfolk, we were forward
deployed to Bahrain.
Then we went to Iraq and SaudiArabia and UAE and all that shit
, qatar.
We went to Iraq and SaudiArabia and UAE and all that shit
, sure, and Qatar.
So that's where I got myeligibility for the VFW.
Smell it.
Yeah, it was pretty crazy.
So at the time my wife Jen anddaughter Maddie were at 29 Palms

(02:32:29):
.
So I'm out in the field andshe's getting phone calls at
like 6 am, yeah, so she's stillsleeping, baby's sleeping,
because Maddie was only like ayear old-ish.
Her phone's blowing up likewhat the fuck's going on with
Charlie?
Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
She's like what are you talkingabout?
They're like turn on thefucking TV and she's like what
are you talking about?
She's three hours behind.

(02:32:56):
So it's 9 am here.
It's 6 am out in California,right, no idea.
Well, they pulled us out of thefield, brought us back to stand
security on the base and allthe different shit right because
9-11 had happened.
So I'm also a GWAT guy as well,because they backdated
everything, but yeah, so Iactually got my Air Force
expeditionary and stuff when Iwas that fast.

Speaker 5 (02:33:16):
So I went to boot camp in June of 2002, or June of
2001.
Graduated boot camp August 31,2001.
Come home for 10 days.
Yeah, didn't get RA, shit popsoff.
I flew back to California thenight of September 10.
Damn, went to Deja Vu, hung outwith the guys we were drinking,
got off Probably SLI.
We stayed at the Good Night Inn, you know down there.
Damn, went to Deja Vu hung outwith guys.

Speaker 2 (02:33:35):
We were drinking got off, probably SOI.

Speaker 5 (02:33:36):
We stayed at the Good Night Inn, you know, down there
in San Diego with the shuttlethat would take us the next
morning.
I had to check in to SOI,september 11, 2001 that was my
check in damn.
So we you know, we're allhungover and fucking our phones.
We just got cell phones when weflew back to.
San Diego, you know.

(02:33:56):
So our phones are ringing andblowing up and I finally answer
mine and it's my mom and she'sjust like bawling, scared, like
what's happening, what's goingon, what's going to?
I'm just like what are youtalking about?
Yeah, like no idea.
Three hours difference, dude.
Yeah, no idea.
I get you.
I didn't want to be awake rightnow, let alone be talking on

(02:34:18):
the phone, let alone be dealingwith my mom crying.

Speaker 2 (02:34:20):
I have no idea.
She's in my face.
What are?

Speaker 5 (02:34:22):
you talking about, you know.
And so they told us to turn onTV and we turned it on, and
that's when you know, we finallysobered up really quick, yeah,
so so, so, so.

Speaker 2 (02:34:34):
Jen, I think her first phone call was from my
sister right, which is Gio thatwas just on the phone, my
niece's sister or mother-in-law.

Speaker 4 (02:34:42):
That's Jen's daughter Stephanie.

Speaker 2 (02:34:44):
No, so it's my sister , janelle, janelle, janelle,
yeah, so Gio married one of mysister's daughters.
Oh, okay, yeah, that was theguy we just talked to.
I think Janelle was my sister.
Was Jen's first phone call,like what the fuck's going on
with my brother?
Basically, right, yeah, yeah,because 9-11 just happened.
We were in the fucking fieldCrazy, you know what I mean.

(02:35:08):
Like this, that time era, likewhen I was at Fast Company, we
had pagers Jen will tell you thestories.
I carried a pager like I was afucking Navy SEAL.
We were definitely not NavySEALs, right, and that fucker
would go off.
And I had to be back to the basewithin a certain amount of time
.
Our gear got loaded up by theNavy.
Camp Allen, where Fast Companywas at, was right across from

(02:35:32):
Naval Air Station Norfolk, sothey had Seaside, which were the
ships, and then an air station,and they would come over and
load up and we'd literally taxiand then pull back in.
They'd unload our gear.
It was like a timing thing,right, to make sure you could
deploy within so fast, right,right, yeah.
So 98, I just got to fuckingFast Company I mean fucking

(02:35:57):
within a week.
So I didn't even have all mygear right out of supply, plus
my weapons and everything else,mm-hmm.
And we had embassy bombings inNairobi County and Barcelona and
Tanzania.
I betrayed you.
So those bombs went off withina couple hours of each other,
right at the embassies, right,well, our job was to go secure

(02:36:19):
those embassies, right.
So we had the securityclearances right, top or secret
security clearances to go doextra security on stuff.
And all of a sudden, right, Ihad this brand-new pager like I
have no idea, right.
It's like, oh, you got to showup, right, okay, cool, I had
this brand-new pager like I haveno idea, right.
It's like, oh, you got to showup, right, okay, cool, I go show
up.
And the guys are like, yeah,it's just a drill, because
they've been doing it forfucking ever.

(02:36:40):
Right, right, these guys havebeen around forever.
They're like yep, well, we'reon the Reaction Air Force,
they're just timing us.
Right the guys to get over tous to palletize our shit.
They take it over on big-asssemis, we put it on the plane,
you got a taxi and then theyturn around and you unload
everything, right, so Pedro goesoff.

(02:37:03):
Okay, you know, we get all ourshit.
So we had like gear we trainedwith and we had gear that was
deployable.
So we had bulletproof vests.
We didn't even have Kevlar's,they had plates, savvy plates
and all that shit.
We were so old school, sopictures of me have like I have
a bulletproof vest on.

Speaker 1 (02:37:20):
People are like what the fuck?
And I'm like that's what we had.

Speaker 2 (02:37:23):
That's what they gave us right.
We didn't even have M4s, it wasso old school, we used M16s.
We used.
M16s, we had MP5s, we had theM590 shotgun, we had Berettas,
we had all that bullshit.
So we get on this fucking planeright, all our shit's loaded,
fucking plane's taxiing.

(02:37:43):
The guys are, you know,everybody's joking, the old
senior lance corporals rightAssault dogs, yep.
All of a sudden that fuckingplane picks up fucking speed and
takes off and they're going andtheir eyes are like this
fucking big, oh shit, yeah, Imean this fucking big around.
I have no idea, dude.
I've been in the fucking unitlike 10 days, yeah Right, and

(02:38:05):
all of a sudden we're airborneand you're like what the fuck?
And then captain comes back, ltcomes back, staff sergeant
comes back and they're like okay, boys, here's the deal.
Right, there's two embassybombings.
We're fucking headed to Africa.
God damn, what the fuck.
Because these guys have beenthrough the drills 105 times

(02:38:27):
right, yeah.
And then, within like 18 hours,we're landing in fucking Africa.

Speaker 4 (02:38:32):
I told you that story about it.
It's crazy.

Speaker 5 (02:38:34):
We had a similar deal when we first got it, like when
I first got to the fleet afterSOI, we got assigned to 24.
And we ended up going to 24because there was a great big,
huge drug ring that went on.
These guys were making crackand everything in the barracks.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So a shit ton of them went tothe fucking brig so they needed
a huge boot drop at 2-4.

(02:38:56):
So almost all of SOI went to2-4.
And when we got there and theywere doing, it was QRF.
So what we had to do is westill had the Alice packs at the
time oh yeah, the old alleypacks, the old Alice packs.
But you had to have everythingpacked like sitting at at your

(02:39:17):
door.

Speaker 2 (02:39:17):
So that was my son and as we went through you know,
training through the day Sendhis ass to voicemail.

Speaker 5 (02:39:20):
When they gave, like this certain signal or sound, we
had to grab our pack and be infront of the company.
Uh, you know, office in xamount of time, like staged and
ready to go to get on five tonswhether.
Well, back then it was fivetons, you know, whether we were
heading to an airport orwherever, and it was just

(02:39:44):
constant drills of how soon andhow staged we could be and
everything else.
And there were a couple drillswhere, like, we actually started
heading up, you know, headingup to Riverside Airport to fly
out.
But I remember it was adifferent time.
We actually it was right downto the minute that we were going

(02:40:08):
to head to the Golden GateBridge, because at that time,
you know, like a land train,like a target, you know like a
famous national landmark, thatwas a target.
So, like we were, I meanminutes away from you know,

(02:40:29):
heading up to San Francisco topick the Golden Gate Bridge.
But it was just like you, itwas that QRF.
It was drill after, drill afterdrill.

Speaker 2 (02:40:36):
How quick you just get mundane to it right.

Speaker 5 (02:40:39):
You're just like oh, here's another one.
Like hurry up, grab my shit,get upstairs.

Speaker 2 (02:40:44):
So whenever Brent heard that, come over like the
ship's horn, he just dropped tohis knees and like started
twisting, gripping.
Even if it was midair, hedidn't even care Grabbing them
cucumbers out of the fridge,that's what it was.
He was like the hot dogs, gothe hot dogs.
Ah, I remember when mayonnaise,extra mayonnaise on my hot dog,

(02:41:06):
no bun, mayonnaise, mayonnaise.

Speaker 4 (02:41:09):
I was at Bragg and kind of you were at Liberty.

Speaker 1 (02:41:12):
Yeah it's now Liberty .
I ended up.

Speaker 4 (02:41:13):
I didn't.
You're a liberty.
Yeah, it's now liberty.
I hate that I ended up.
I didn't go overseas, but itwas a training exercise and I
was a special operations, so Iprobably shouldn't talk too much
about why not.
It's past like 10 years.

Speaker 5 (02:41:28):
Yeah, I know, but I mean Statute of limitations,
right?
Yeah, I don't know.
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (02:41:33):
But I don't know.
I don't know, but you haven'tbeen told.
It's not okay.
They got us on a bus, took usabout an hour away from Bragg
and said okay, get on thisflight, commercial flight, you
have water in there, yeah thereshould be some in the fridge, or
there's a little table outthere.
They said get on this commercialflight.
It was a commercial flight likeDelta or American, I can't
remember, and there was a littlebit of a training exercise and

(02:41:59):
they were like, okay, Got off ofthat, we didn't go anywhere,
Got off that one.
They were like, all right, geton that C-130.
I was like I got to get my kidsin the morning.
What the fuck are we doing?
And they ended up flying usfrom that airport back to Bragg
on a C-130.
I was like, Jesus Christ, wheredid they take me Do?

Speaker 2 (02:42:18):
you have the jump seats.
Yeah, I mean I was airborne, soit was crazy.
When I was at FAST, we went outto Hawaii for a refuel defuel
we call them RFDFs Right, I didtwo, so it's where they take the
nuclear fuel off a ship or asub and they exchange those rods

(02:42:41):
.
Right, I did one in Bremerton,washington, I did one out in
Hawaii at Pearl Harbor.
We flew from Norfolk C-130 inthe jump seats.
We flew all the way to fuckingCalifornia, say the night, and
then we jumped the next day toHawaii and then vice versa, on
the way to fucking California,say the night, and then we
jumped the next day to Hawaiiand then vice versa on the way

(02:43:01):
back.
And I actually went through afucking earthquake when we were
at uh, uh, what's, what's one ofthe fucking uh air stations,
county O'Hare, no, out inCalifornia Riverside March.

Speaker 5 (02:43:14):
Air Force Base no, no , no.

Speaker 2 (02:43:16):
It's way south.
Yeah, it might have beenMiramar.
Yeah, it was crazy, so we flewinto there on the way back.

Speaker 5 (02:43:23):
Miramar's like the southernmost station.

Speaker 2 (02:43:25):
Yeah, we had to stay the night.
There had a fucking earthquake.
It was crazy.
I think I talked to Jen on thephone that night when that
fucking earthquake.
So my same fucking phone numberis a Sprint number from.
Virginia way back in the day,footphone days 1990, yeah, it

(02:43:46):
was like my, I just transfertransfer transfer right next to
Sprint fucking Altel fuckinginto AT&T Verizon, you know.
So they spent my number forfucking ever.
But yeah, we actually had that.
That was the first time I'dever been through a fucking
earthquake.

Speaker 4 (02:43:59):
It was crazy.
I've never experienced anearthquake.

Speaker 2 (02:44:02):
That's crazy.
I actually Miramar doesn'tsound right.
It was a different.

Speaker 5 (02:44:12):
Miramar's like the only air station air base down
in Southern California.

Speaker 6 (02:44:16):
Back in the day Was it.

Speaker 5 (02:44:17):
Yuma.

Speaker 2 (02:44:18):
No, I mean Yuma is Arizona, but I'll have to maybe
look on the map and try toremember Dude 30 years ago.
Yeah, I know I get it Fuckingold as fuck Can't remember shit.
I don't remember what I didfucking yesterday, oh man.

Speaker 4 (02:44:31):
Alright, I think we need to wrap it up.
We're going off on tangents,going off, going off, going off.

Speaker 3 (02:44:41):
All these old people need to get to bed, all of you.

Speaker 2 (02:44:44):
What we do need to work on is I was talking about
Manny.
I was talking about Mannyjoining the post.

Speaker 5 (02:44:54):
We need to sit through his DD 214 and get that
correct.

Speaker 4 (02:44:58):
We need all your records.
I'm illegal.

Speaker 6 (02:45:02):
That way I get all the money.

Speaker 2 (02:45:05):
Wait a minute, you're not going to get the phone with
Gio.
You missed that.

Speaker 4 (02:45:09):
You speak Spanish?
You do Okay.

Speaker 6 (02:45:13):
Not fluent enough.
I speak Portuguese too.
Oh, really shit no hablaespanol oh, jen said it was
Miramar.

Speaker 2 (02:45:23):
We need to go to.
Brazil, then I must have beenat MCAS.
That was on the way back fromHawaii.
Yeah, that was crazy because Iwas on the phone with her.
My fucking foot lockers andshit the hanging lockers were
banging and shit Freaked thefuck out.

Speaker 4 (02:45:44):
I remember a 9-11.

Speaker 2 (02:45:46):
She'll always fact check me.
That's the best part abouthaving an ex-wife, they'll
always fact check the shit outof you.
I'm like no it doesn't soundfamiliar she's like nope, that
was it.

Speaker 4 (02:45:53):
Okay no, just self-melding.
She's like nope, that was it,okay, cool, right.
I remember on 9-11, I had threecousins that were living in New
York at the time Nobody couldget through to them.
I had a cell phone and I was atFort Leonard Wood, missouri.
I was able to get through tothem briefly, like hey, how's it

(02:46:14):
going?
We're all safe, we're in theapartment, so tell about 9-11.
Yeah and uh, I was able torelay that message to their
parents, my aunt and uncle, whocouldn't get through to them.
They were worried, you know,but for whatever reason, I was
able to get through to them.

Speaker 2 (02:46:35):
So the crazy shirt you're saying is I had a guy
from new york.
His sister worked in like thesixth floor basement of one of
the towers and she was able toget out right.
So he, he was one of the guyswhen we were doing our field
exercise.
You, you know, you stop tochange socks and do all the shit
right, yep, right, he got thephone call right.

(02:46:59):
So as we stopped, all the cellphones started ringing, which
was weird back then because cellphones weren't very prevalent.
Yeah.
I mean, the internet wasn't evenyeah, so then we got to yeah,
then we got to the end of themovement, and that's when he
finally you do that again.

Speaker 3 (02:47:14):
I don't think I picked it up.

Speaker 2 (02:47:18):
But I mean.
And his sister survived.
She worked in like a gift shopin the sixth basement floor of
one of the towers.
They got hit and she was ableto get out because it might have
hit the first tower and theystarted evacuating people right
Because they were worried about,Because in 91 or whatever,
there was the car bomb.

Speaker 5 (02:47:39):
Hey, Bill said put in a plug and name the restaurants
for Gio.
What's that?
Bill said put in a plug andname Gio's restaurants.

Speaker 2 (02:47:46):
Yeah, that might have to be On the next one.
So yeah, so Gio got called in.

Speaker 4 (02:47:55):
Salvadoranian.

Speaker 2 (02:47:56):
Yeah, he's an owner.

Speaker 4 (02:47:58):
He's from El.

Speaker 2 (02:47:59):
Salvador, el Salvador .
So he was an illegal immigrantSalvadoranian.
Well, he was an illegalimmigrant left and came back as
a legal immigrant.
He's an owner, and there's likeI don't know five, six, ten
owners.
They own a bunch of restaurantsand nightclubs in Washington DC

(02:48:28):
area.
He's one of them, right, Idon't know how many there
actually are, but whatever andhe is their head chef.
So he sets the menus for eachone and then trains the chefs at
each one to what their menu isgoing to be.
And then my niece, stephanie,she basically is his boss, so

(02:48:48):
she is the probably lack of abetter word maybe the CEO of
each one of them.
So they're making money, notmaking money, kind of thing.
So she oversees him, right,right.
So you better step up yourtrain boy.
She's a bad bitch.
She is my sister times 10.

(02:49:09):
My sister's a pretty bad bitch.
She'll cut you with a knifewith just her words.
You guys think I'm an asshole.
My sister's a pretty bad bitchLike she'll cut you with a knife
with just her words.
You guys think I'm an asshole,my sister.

Speaker 4 (02:49:18):
I can?
You know, I see that in yoursister, my sister, yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:49:23):
If you've ever met her Like a strong woman.
She, yeah, she looks sweet andinnocent, right, but when she
tells you something, you feel itright here, right, yeah, it's
in your chest.
Yeah, tells you something, youfeel it right here, right, yeah,
it's in your chest, yeah, yeah.
So her daughter is Jill's wife,right, she's just as bad, bad
of a bitch as my sister is.

Speaker 5 (02:49:46):
It's kind of scary.
I've never met any of yourfamily, but I remember when I
first got back home, I think ourfirst days of meeting you were
at Chip Lane's.

Speaker 4 (02:49:57):
Oh, chip Lane's.
Yeah, charlie, that's a blastfrom the past.

Speaker 5 (02:50:00):
Oh, fuck, you used to buy me shots all the time.
Every time you ran into me,when you caught me downtown,
you'd come and buy a shot, andthen you'd just vanish.
No words, no line.
You'd take a shot and you'dvanish.
So yeah, no, I still do that.
Short and simple and sweet, yep.

Speaker 4 (02:50:14):
I still do that.

Speaker 5 (02:50:15):
I think the first time that I ever met you, when I
first got back home, was ChipLane's.

Speaker 2 (02:50:20):
I'll never say goodbye.

Speaker 5 (02:50:21):
You just won't see me the next second the.

Speaker 4 (02:50:24):
Irish goodbye.

Speaker 2 (02:50:26):
I'm a ghoster, for sure.

Speaker 4 (02:50:27):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (02:50:27):
I do the same thing.

Speaker 3 (02:50:29):
Are we wrapping it up then?

Speaker 2 (02:50:30):
gents, yep, I guess Trees have got to curfew Yep.

Speaker 3 (02:50:34):
So I think the next one, I think the next episode
will be one of our rareinformational episodes.

Speaker 2 (02:50:41):
Good job getting back to his way of company.
We do.

Speaker 3 (02:50:44):
So I'm going to reach out to a couple of friends.
Maybe I can get my buddy Willto come in.
Maybe I don't know, we don'thave friends.
But he's a real estate agent.
I mean, so am I him and I cango back and forth about the va
home loan and maybe I can bringin another friend who's who is a

(02:51:06):
loan officer we can maybe talkto talk to her, I don't know
something.
Uh, just throw out one of thosereally small informational bits
, maybe 30 minutes, and then therest of it soup sandwich style,
as usual.

Speaker 4 (02:51:22):
You call this soup sandwich, but you've got no soup
or sandwich here.

Speaker 6 (02:51:26):
It's soup sandwich because it's just a shit show.

Speaker 5 (02:51:30):
Shit sandwich Manny.

Speaker 4 (02:51:32):
Shit sandwich.

Speaker 3 (02:51:34):
We'll try to neat and tidy it up here Everybody's
taking off.

Speaker 2 (02:51:41):
We'll do the outro.
We're not even waiting, we'lldo the outro.

Speaker 3 (02:51:45):
But for those of you watching live, thank you so much
.
Those of you listening later on, thank you again.
I got a face for radio.

Speaker 6 (02:51:52):
You got to take your phones over that way.

Speaker 3 (02:51:54):
Yep, I know, so we'll see you guys later.
We're going to Manny.
Thanks for coming in.
We're going to mute ourmicrophones so you guys can hear
the outgoing music.
Again, thanks for coming.
We'll see you next time.

Speaker 1 (02:52:18):
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