Beyond the 9-5: Veterans Discuss Remote Work, Sports Highlights, and Political Perspectives

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
War is a paradox.
It has the power to bringnations together, to inspire
heroism and sacrifice and toforge bonds of camaraderie that
will span a lifetime, but italso has the power to tear
families apart, to shattercommunities and to leave scars
that will never fully heal.
And, for those who have served,the transition back to civilian

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life can be one of the greatestchallenges they will ever face.
This is the typical life ofmilitary veterans, a world that
is both familiar and foreign tomost of us.
It is a world that is shaped byunique experiences, values and
traditions of the military andby the sacrifices and struggles
of those who have served, butit's also a world that is

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constantly changing, as newgenerations of veterans confront
new challenges and newopportunities.
Thank you for joining us atSoup Sandwich.
Dig your foxhole, heat up yourMRE and spend some time with us.
This podcast is designed solelyfor entertainment and,
occasionally, informationalpurposes only, and is to be
regarded strictly as satire.

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Comprising of veterans, itdelves into their thoughts and
experiences in combat, as wellas their perspectives on various
aspects of daily life that maybe unsettling for certain
listeners.
This podcast is not suitablefor individuals under the age of
18.
The views articulated in thispodcast may not necessarily
align with those of the NationalVFW VFW Department of Michigan

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or VFW Post 3033.
Additionally, we kindly requestthat listeners refrain from
pursuing legal action againstthe creators or contributors of
this podcast.
In other words, please don'tsue us.

Speaker 3 (01:44):
Well, sorry about that.
Ladies and gents, welcome toanother night of soup sandwich,
aptly named in case you havebeen watching us on the live and
trying to figure some of thisshit out.
So we got great equipment.
We just don't know how to useit.

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So, anyway, we're back again.
Thanks for joining us.
I suppose we should just goaround the table and say who's
here, shall we?
I don't know.
I'll start with me.
My name is Brent.
I am the founder of thispodcast.
Shake your head all you want,but, but you know, it's fucking

(02:26):
true.

Speaker 4 (02:27):
The founder that shows up once every nine months.
Excuse you.

Speaker 3 (02:30):
We took the summer off.
You did too.
We all did, we all did.
Anyway, I don't know.
House, you're up.

Speaker 5 (02:41):
Bill House life.
Member post 3033.

Speaker 6 (02:49):
Bill House.
Lifetime member of Post 3033.
Trey Porter.

Speaker 7 (02:53):
Lifetime member of Post 3033, president of the
Riders Group as well.
Roy Thomas, lifetime member ofPost 3033 and the current Post
Quartermaster.

Speaker 8 (03:03):
Joe Gates, secretary of the Riders Group and adjunct
of Post 3033.
The current post quartermasterJoe Gates, secretary of the
writers group and adjunct ofpost 3033.
And all around tech nerd.

Speaker 4 (03:12):
And I'm Charlie Klein , life member of post 3033 and
the department of Michigan,director for the writers groups.

Speaker 3 (03:21):
That sounds like a really lofty title, but it's not
.
It's not.

Speaker 4 (03:30):
It's a bunch of junk, like any other position.
I really strive to be thequartermaster and I would love
to do it, but Roy does such agood job.
I think we're going to bring uphis life.
Member quartermaster forever.

Speaker 2 (03:40):
He's a quartermaster, yeah.

Speaker 4 (03:41):
I think so he does such a great job.
I agree.
I would hate to steal that fromhim.
You have no worries, on my endI'll never go after that.
Just wait until elections.
Just wait until elections.
For those that don't know whatthe quartermaster is, it's
basically your treasurer.
They deal with all the moniesof the VFW post and pay the

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employees and all the bar stuff.
It's a lot of work.
Our post is crazy busy.

Speaker 6 (04:09):
Very busy.
I do not envy the quartermasterno not at all, it's the busiest
job in the post.
It's the one that nobody wants.
Luckily, roy's unemployed andhe's got nothing better to do.

Speaker 7 (04:22):
Yeah, I live in a van down by the river.

Speaker 4 (04:26):
Oh, you moved, I thought you were living in the
back of the post.

Speaker 3 (04:30):
No, I thought he was over by the junkyard.

Speaker 7 (04:34):
I'll soon be looking in your window.

Speaker 4 (04:39):
I like peeping Tom, I'll watch your whole family eat
dinner.
Peeping Roy, that was TheoVaughn, said that one time.

Speaker 2 (04:45):
Oh man.

Speaker 4 (04:46):
That guy's podcast when he's on Joe Rogan.
Oh God, I just crack uplaughing.

Speaker 8 (04:50):
Some of the stuff he says it's absolutely hilarious.
Sound of Freedom.

Speaker 4 (04:54):
Oh, my God.

Speaker 3 (04:56):
Oh yeah, sound of Freedom.
Speaking of that, if you're newto this podcast.
Oh, there you go.
There's two.
If you're new to this podcast,you're going to hear sounds of
freedom, of us cracking opencans of apple juice Liquid
refraction.
Yeah, yeah, liquid curd,something like that, and we're
munching on chips and salsa, soyou're going to be hearing that

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too.
So sorry in advance, but notreally sorry because I'm hungry,
so what?

Speaker 6 (05:26):
should we talk about tonight?
Gents, charlie's looking at me.
He knows what he wants to talkabout.
Elf, in the room we can get tothat later man.

Speaker 8 (05:34):
Let's talk about that .

Speaker 2 (05:35):
Lions win.
Yeah Great, something positive.
Oh my God, we've got lots ofpositives.

Speaker 4 (05:39):
Talk about it.

Speaker 3 (05:40):
Yeah, we do.

Speaker 4 (05:40):
We'll start at the low positives.
There's a bigger positive thathappened over the week, but
we'll get to that.
He's just grimacing.

Speaker 3 (05:48):
I'm grinning, grinning ear to ear.

Speaker 4 (05:56):
You know I mean Jerry Goff.
Five picks, two of which Idon't count.
Man, he tipped at the line orbumbled around you know when his
arm got hit.
I mean those aren't bad passes.
Right, that's hit the line, oryou know, his arm got grabbed on
a throw.
The other three bad, absolutelybad passes but, still, he threw
five interceptions and stillcome back and win that game.

Speaker 7 (06:14):
I mean that's crazy.
Yeah, we went into halftimewith those five picks and I just
thought it was done.

Speaker 4 (06:19):
It was already what 23 to 7?
7, yeah, 7.
Yeah, I mean it was crazy,right, and then to come back and
play like that Shut them down.

Speaker 6 (06:28):
Second half yeah, completely Shut down and the
thing is, their defense was notour defense.
The Texans, texans, theirdefense was killer in that first
half.
Yeah, they were killing us.

Speaker 5 (06:43):
Yeah, they were flying around.
So with that win, lions arenumber two in the nation, only
following by the Chiefs, which Iwill make this announcement
that the Lions did beat inpreseason but I was told by a
super Uber Chiefs fan, that thatdoesn't count.
Well, I say it counts.

Speaker 7 (07:03):
We also beat them first game of the season last
year.

Speaker 4 (07:05):
First game of the season last year, winning in the
Arrowhead.

Speaker 6 (07:09):
We'll beat them in the last game of the playoffs
this year.
All that matters.

Speaker 3 (07:14):
I'm not a huge football guy, but I also don't
live under a rock, so what's thedeal with Hutch?

Speaker 6 (07:21):
Broke his leg.

Speaker 3 (07:23):
I heard rumors that he might make it to a Super Bowl
, if we get that far.

Speaker 7 (07:28):
I mean those were rumored, but man, that's a quick
push to get back.

Speaker 4 (07:34):
That's probably a no-go, he'll be there in spirit.
My only guess is, if they diddecide to suit him up and the
game gets out of hand, one playand he'll come in, maybe on
offense, just to kneel the ballso he could say he had a play
One play to get the rainSomewhere.

Speaker 7 (07:51):
non-contact.

Speaker 4 (07:53):
Yeah, the game's pretty much over.
He's not going to do anything.
They do that a lot with a lotof players that get hurt.
At the end of the year theybring them in just for the kneel
down play or something.

Speaker 6 (08:03):
That poor kid, the kneel down player or something.
That poor kid, what a freakaction.
I know as great as he's been,and this season in particular,
to go out that way it just sucks.
Nature of the beast.

Speaker 4 (08:19):
I guess I was excited to see Smith running around.
I was surprised to see him onenot play Desiree Smith, but he
goes.
This was supposed to be my byeweek in Cleveland, so coach
doesn't want me playing everysingle week of the year.
They sat him like it was hisbye week.
He did a lot of interviewsafter the game and he was like,
oh my god, he was so pumped tobe a part of that team Because

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of how good they are.
But how they play like a team,it's not individuals bitching at
each other in the locker roomafter a loss, like some of these
other teams are having issueslike Dallas right now and stuff
like that right.

Speaker 7 (08:56):
Yeah, with a QB right on the sideline mouthing we
fucking suck.

Speaker 1 (09:00):
We fucking suck.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's amorale killer.

Speaker 3 (09:05):
So what's the energy this year versus last year?
Last year, we divide all odds.

Speaker 5 (09:13):
Well, last year, you know, we started off kind of
weak and got better as theseason progressed.

Speaker 3 (09:18):
But we're 8-1 at this point.
So, like you said, you knowonly behind the Chiefs.

Speaker 5 (09:23):
It's getting better.

Speaker 3 (09:24):
How's the energy this year?
Do we have fierce competition?

Speaker 7 (09:29):
I think we picked up right where we left off last
year, though because the secondhalf of the season last year we
were the best team in the NFL.

Speaker 5 (09:34):
Yeah, exactly, they just lit fires.

Speaker 7 (09:38):
Obviously, we had that tough loss in the playoffs
which we should have won.
Had we have won that, we wouldhave been in the playoffs, which
we should have won.

Speaker 3 (09:45):
I mean, what a mess.
Had, we have won that we wouldhave been in the Super Bowl.

Speaker 5 (09:48):
Right, yeah, for sure , and probably won the Super.

Speaker 4 (09:50):
Bowl.
Well, they got screwed inDallas, right.
So then they didn't have homefield advantage when they should
have, because if they had that,win every game would have been
played at 4-4.

Speaker 7 (10:02):
Yep, but I mean, we came out that first half at San
Francisco and we were justtearing them up like shell shock
San Francisco, and then thatsecond half on the page the
Chiefs suck.

Speaker 5 (10:12):
Who said that?

Speaker 8 (10:16):
Who did?
I'm sorry, sean, but the Chiefssuck.

Speaker 5 (10:25):
One of my buddies from the Navy.
He's a big Chiefs fan fromWichita, Kansas.
He likes to rub it in they'reundefeated.
And I said, well, except forthat loss to the Lions in
preseason.
He said, yeah, whatever, thosedon't count.
Who the hell is a.

Speaker 7 (10:43):
Chiefs fan around here, yeah, but week after after
week, it just seems like theChiefs are getting bailed out.

Speaker 5 (10:48):
Man.
Well, that's because they'renot playing any teams that
really are that good.

Speaker 4 (10:52):
Texans are definitely a playoff team and they showed
it.

Speaker 5 (10:57):
They're going to be there if you look at the Chiefs
lineup versus the Lions lineup,it's much, much harder season
for the Lions than it is for theChiefs, based on who they play.

Speaker 4 (11:11):
Yeah, but you can't fault If you're in a division
they're in the AFC, it's theteams that you've got to play.
You don't really have muchchoice.
Is it an easier path?
Yeah, maybe, but to the sameextent you've still got to go
out every week and execute.
That's right.
I mean, that's all there is toit, right?
That's right.

Speaker 8 (11:32):
Mm-hmm.

Speaker 3 (11:33):
So, Yep, so I'm rooting for it because what
minimal knowledge that I knowabout football.
I always used to make the jokethat all the Detroit teams are
farm teams for the rest of theirleagues, but last year proved
me wrong with the Lions, and Iguess the Pistons is still in
that category, I suppose fromwhat I can understand, yeah, but

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I mean in our lifetime, youknow, you've got to give the
fact that the Pistons went in 04.

Speaker 7 (11:59):
So it's not like they're championship-less or
whatever.
And the bad boys.

Speaker 6 (12:04):
Yeah, back in the 03 or something 88, 87, 88.

Speaker 7 (12:07):
Oh yeah, the early 90s.

Speaker 4 (12:10):
You guys heard my story about going down what?

Speaker 5 (12:12):
are you talking about Tigers?
Yeah, the Pistons.
The Pistons won that year.
Yeah, it was.

Speaker 4 (12:16):
Elvis night.
Yeah, did you hear that?

Speaker 2 (12:18):
one.

Speaker 4 (12:29):
You went with your father-in-law drives for UPS was
a huge Pistons fan ever sincemy wife and I started dating and
so I got him and Jen'sbrother-in-law, sean, tickets
for a game down at the Palace,so the three of us go down there
.
It's Elvis night, so there'sall these Elvis impersonators,
right, and my father-in-law isalways like the sneaky guy and
if he could shade a gray line,he's shading it with a couple

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feet on the other side,basically right.
So there's this huge lineup ofpeople walking.
So we have nice seats in theupper bowl, right on that first
row of the upper bowl.
See everything, perfect.
So we go down.
He sees Darko Milicek warmingup, so we go down there.
He wants to get a picture withDarko and all of a sudden this

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big line of people come by andhe was like what are those
people doing?
Or whatever we're like, I don'tknow.
And he's like well, let's gowith them.
So we jumped in the back of theline and we start walking and we
go around the court and thenwe're standing in line and
they're literally like oh, youhave your camera, yeah, you know
some random camera.
You walk out on the court whileboth teams are warming up and

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they got the two championshiptrophies out there.
So we walk over to the table.
We're, like you know, to get apicture with the trophies.
It was like a VIP line that youhad to probably pay to get into
or something you know, and itwas like a VIP line.

Speaker 1 (13:45):
they had to probably pay to get into or something you
know, and my mother was likelet's get in that son of a bitch
.

Speaker 4 (13:47):
So we get in it.
Yeah, we went out there.
That's awesome.
That's cool, Great, great.
I mean, I never would have doneit because I would have been
like I don't want to get thrownout of here.
And he was like hell with that.
Let's go.

Speaker 5 (13:59):
Let's do it.

Speaker 4 (13:59):
You know.

Speaker 3 (14:00):
Yeah, it was pretty cool, though Reminds me of my
trip to boot camp.
That was horrible.
Another story for another day,blizzard.
But you guys even went to bootcamp, oh shut the fuck up.

Speaker 5 (14:10):
Great mistakes, baby, great mistakes.

Speaker 4 (14:12):
I thought you guys stayed in Holiday.

Speaker 5 (14:13):
Inn when you went there.
That's the Air Force.
That's the Air Force.

Speaker 6 (14:17):
Down in San Antonio.
They go tubing down there onthe river every weekend,
Saturday and Sunday.
It's part of their training.
The Air Force drink beers.

Speaker 4 (14:30):
You're lying.
Nah, I am lying, I mean I wouldalmost think that might be.

Speaker 2 (14:34):
I mean, it was kind of plausible until you said
drink beers, I thought thetubing trip, maybe no man, but.

Speaker 3 (14:45):
So what's our favorite sports in general?
I mean, do you guys watch themall Me?
I am more of a hockey person.
I like my Red Wings, I like myGrand Rapids Griffins.

Speaker 6 (14:55):
I don't watch hockey really.

Speaker 3 (14:57):
You should.
They beat the shit out of eachother.
I know it's the only sport thatthey still are allowed to do.

Speaker 6 (15:02):
Don't get me wrong.
I remember back in the day whenoh help me out, mccarty.

Speaker 4 (15:10):
Oh, Darren McCarty.

Speaker 6 (15:12):
Yeah, beat the shit out of Claude.

Speaker 4 (15:14):
Lemieux From Colorado Avalanche Turtled him, and that
was only because he put thehead on.

Speaker 7 (15:21):
What's the redhead?

Speaker 6 (15:23):
Chelyos, no Heisman Dalios.

Speaker 7 (15:25):
No Heisman.

Speaker 6 (15:26):
Datsun no.

Speaker 7 (15:27):
One of his teammates.
I knew it was one of them.
I read McCarty's book and thewhole thing, but I can't
remember who it was.

Speaker 4 (15:37):
I can't think of it now either.

Speaker 7 (15:38):
I was hoping you were going to get there.

Speaker 4 (15:40):
He had red hair, red beard.
He clawed a mule, broke hisback or broke his neck.

Speaker 6 (15:44):
Broke his face, was it?

Speaker 2 (15:46):
his face.

Speaker 6 (15:47):
Oh yeah, yeah Damn, it was a nasty, it was kind of a
dirty play.

Speaker 7 (15:52):
Yeah, but like when McCarty, you know, completely
annihilated him, like thatbecame just an image around the
world.
Yeah, yeah.
You know, there was so muchthat was put out I world, there
was so much that was put out.

Speaker 3 (16:04):
I was a season ticket holder for the Grand Rapids
Griffins for five years.
Right after I got out of themilitary I was like I had that
terminal leave pay and I waslike I'm going to be really
bored.
This year I decided to buymyself some season tickets and
that lasted for five seasons.
It was great.

Speaker 4 (16:20):
Chris Draper.
It was so crazy because Iactually saw Chris Draper at a
Michigan State game.
This was late 90s or no late2000s.
Jen's grandma, her boyfriend,went there season tickets since
65 or whatever the fuck right.
So we go there, so we'resitting in his seats, which are

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like right behind the player'sparents, and the game gets over
and we're standing up down therefor the Michigan Michigan State
game.
Of course we're Michigan fans,we, we won that year.
And uh, all of a sudden we'restanding up and we're getting
ready to hit the aisle and Inudged Jen.
I said, hey, that's ChrisDraper, and he looks over, puts

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his head down and goes straightup the thing.
It was totally him and he wasprobably 25 feet away from me,
but it was enough that he couldhear me say it because as soon
as he said it, he lookedstraight over at me.

Speaker 6 (17:16):
You know Darren McCarty.
He spent a lot of time here.
His wife was from Claire.

Speaker 7 (17:22):
Oh, really oh yeah, he's been up here a lot.
Do you know Russ Fember?

Speaker 4 (17:26):
No.

Speaker 5 (17:27):
Yeah from far away.

Speaker 2 (17:28):
You know, Russ.

Speaker 7 (17:29):
Yeah, and his brother Tom.
Yeah, they were all super close.
Mccarty, he would always comeup here for the Irish Fest.
Oh, that's cool.

Speaker 6 (17:38):
They would always get together big group.
So I'd known his wife prettymuch my whole life I was
probably like 12 or 13 when Imet her and once.

Speaker 5 (17:50):
I retired from the military?
Did it freeze on your end?

Speaker 4 (17:56):
No.

Speaker 6 (17:58):
Joe's hacking away on bylaws.
Once I went in the military.
Well, when I came back I met upwith her.
She was living down in the citywith McCarty, that's probably
just your connection.
He took us up to the Red Wingssuite to one of the games over
there.
It was great.
He's a good guy.
He's been to my facility.

Speaker 3 (18:20):
What I was talking about.
You're saying McCarty, yeah,Okay, I can't remember what year
it was.
He got hurt or something, andthen they put him down to the
Griffins and I remember thatbecause was I?

Speaker 7 (18:34):
Yeah, that was towards the end of his career.

Speaker 2 (18:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (18:38):
So I think he came down.
He was our goalie for a while.

Speaker 7 (18:43):
But I mean, those were the days, you know to where
the enforcer, like you know youfeared, you feared those guys.
You know those enforcers Wellthat started with Bob Probert.
Yeah, you know Probert gave wayto, you know McCarthy there,
but that was just a massive erawhere those enforcers like you

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even looked at any of theirteammates wrong and they were
dropping those gluttons.

Speaker 4 (19:10):
They got on the ice with the sole purpose of going
to fight.
They didn't even care about thepuck.

Speaker 7 (19:16):
They didn't care where it was at.

Speaker 4 (19:17):
They got on the ice to come over there and beat you
to death.

Speaker 7 (19:20):
Yep, that was their sole mission.

Speaker 4 (19:21):
That was the point of having them.
So for me, football, obviouslyI like college sports actually
better than professionalMichigan hockey, michigan State
hockey, but obviously the RedWings Football it used to be in
the CMU.
Years and years ago we couldwalk to the stadium from our

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house.
You know it takes about 15minutes.
But we don't go to any of thosegames anymore because they
started making them on Tuesdaynights and Wednesday nights and
all these weird things, it'sjust to be on TV.
It's like, you know, no, I'm notgoing.
You know, because I've got toget up, because we're working
five in the morning, Right, sothat's Kind of killed it.
But yeah, baseball Great LakesLoons.
I'm trying to get over to agame.

Speaker 7 (20:05):
That's fun to get over there.
It's cheap baseball.

Speaker 4 (20:08):
But you're so close.

Speaker 7 (20:09):
Right.

Speaker 4 (20:09):
We took the kids down one time to Detroit this was
years ago and it's $300 forhotel rooms or more.
Then you're eating out, sothere's another $200, $300.
Then the tickets are $200, $300for four people to go, then all
the crap you're buying in there, man one trip down for a couple

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days in Detroit was $1,000.
I don't mind paying it.
It was good to take the kidsdown there so they can
experience stuff, but I'm notgoing to do it over and over and
over when I can go watchbaseball at the Loons for $12 a
seat or $8 sitting in the yardand I can go get a $4 beer and
not a $14 beer, right right, youknow, same thing, same thing.

Speaker 3 (20:51):
You know my neck of the woods from Grand Rapids, it
was the West Michigan Whitecaps,you know, and it was nice over
there because I went over therefor a few games not too long
after my cousin became.
I don't know if he was headcoach.
I don't think he was head coach, or he was maybe like
conditioning, I don't know,because he had played a little
bit in the major leagues and sothey hired him on there.

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I don't even know if he's thereanymore, but I was laughing
earlier because my better half,tiffany, she's watching.
So hi, tiffany, she was textingme, she.
She was like I met McCarty andshe said he's got, she's got his
autograph in the book he wrote.

Speaker 7 (21:27):
So she's, she's fangirling at home, good buck um
, you know, especially I didn'tyoung, you know I follow, I
didn't, you know, follow orunderstand much of the Red Wings
through the early 90s and stuffyou know, know through their
dominance.
But you know, the Russian Fiveand that limo accident, you know

(21:49):
I learned about all that andthen just how out of control
McCarty was with drugs andeverything else back then.
Man, it was a good read, youknow, interesting to catch up on
them.

Speaker 4 (21:59):
but Well, I got into the Wings in the 2000s because
my sister and brother-in-law hadseasoned seats down there.
Whenever they weren't usingthem, jen and I would take the
tickets and go down there andbuy them from them.
It would be shit, sometimes 3o'clock.
He couldn't sell them for thatday.

(22:20):
He'd call man, we're gone,she's out of work early and
we're flying down there.
And we went to a playoff gameone year Went into triple
overtime.
We lost and by the time we gotback it was like we literally
went home, changed and went towork because it was foggy as
hell you had to drive like 35miles an hour on the way home.

Speaker 7 (22:39):
I'll tell you, though , he's a big supporter of the
troops McC.
He's a big supporter of thetroops McCarty.
Yeah, I did what four years ago.
So I've been doing this golfouting for a local KIA,
ellsworth.
They do a big golf outing downin Novi every year in his honor
because that's where his dad'sat, and McCarty was there, you

(23:02):
know.
I got to meet him and talk tohim there.
But then I just did one thisyear over in Frankenmuth at the
Fortress with John Ellsworth.
It was the golf outing for theMilitary Heroes Museum and
McCarty was there.
So we made the turn and I'mstanding there, you know,

(23:24):
getting a hot dog or whatever,and he walks up and he's just
standing.
I bet you were I love thatProbably no bun.
No bun.

Speaker 4 (23:33):
He's probably no bun.
He's just like throwing at me.
No bun extra mayo Just throwingat me, but I turn around.

Speaker 7 (23:46):
I turn around after I get my dog and there's McCarty
standing right there.

Speaker 4 (23:50):
You know, there again for another veteran's ordeal,
chit-chat real quick and rockand roll.
You know that's cool.
It's cool.
Man, you can't say stuff likethat around us.
Yeah, you should have skippedthat part.
I should have said I wasgetting a beer.
I was getting a beer.

Speaker 6 (23:58):
I was getting a burger.

Speaker 5 (23:59):
I was getting a beer.
I I got a no bun extra mayo onmy dog's face.

Speaker 7 (24:03):
Extra mayo.

Speaker 3 (24:07):
Can we just sorry to interrupt.
Can we just make sure ourvolumes are turned all the way
down because I can hear it fromsomebody?
I got mine off.
People at home probably can'thear it, but when we were quiet
I could catch it.
All right, it was probably fivepeople.
No, mine's not.

Speaker 4 (24:23):
Five people with their phones watching the live.
How many people we got watching?

Speaker 3 (24:28):
One, two, three, four , five, six.

Speaker 4 (24:32):
Three other people out there in one's company, we
know.

Speaker 7 (24:36):
Brian Shaner won Jake Bullis.

Speaker 4 (24:39):
Jakey's on.
How do you see who's on?

Speaker 5 (24:41):
Hi Jake.
I can't see that on mine.
You're not an admin on thething.
If you're an admin, you can seewho's watching.

Speaker 3 (24:44):
How do you see who's on?
Hi, jake, I can't see that onthe monitor, so you're not an
admin on the thing.
If you're an admin, you can seewho's watching.

Speaker 4 (24:47):
I see, cool, well thanks for tuning in, guys.

Speaker 7 (24:49):
Our old XO.
From 2-4 there.
His son transferred from JamesMadison to Michigan State this
year.
He was a long snapper, ohreally.
And so we've been going down tothe games there.
You know, pretty cool.
But the Michigan-Michigan Stategame he snapped the ball and he

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would always be one of thefirst ones down there to try and
make a tackle.
Well he went to plant and hisknee instantly buckled and he
went down and come to find out acomplete ACL tear and three
tears in his meniscus.
So he's down and going through.

Speaker 4 (25:32):
So that was tough to see.
Is Brian still in?
Yes, so I've got to give ashout-out to Mud Creek
Construction.
Brian Chainer up here in MountPleasant needs something done.
Give it Brian.
They did a hell of a job.
So here at the Sky Lounge AJSky Lounge we got the cupola up
on the roof.
Thing's been leaking for years,right, so get a hold of Brian.
He sends his crew over here ina couple days.

(25:53):
They sided it, boarded up allthe old windows, osb siding, cut
some skylights in, re-shingled,re-flashed.
They did everything.
We've had a lot of rain aroundhere, zero problems.
So I want to make sure I throwthat out to Mug Coop and Ryan
out there for hooking us up overhere so we can be out here
tonight without worrying aboutgetting dripped on.

Speaker 7 (26:16):
Good, good, honest, solid dude.
You ain't going to find abetter guy than Brian.

Speaker 4 (26:20):
Well, I don't know about that.

Speaker 7 (26:21):
I'm sure I can find a better guy Every time I look in
the mirror.

Speaker 4 (26:24):
I see a better guy.
But, I mean he's okay, I likethe guy, he's all right.

Speaker 2 (26:29):
Beauty's in the eye of the beholder.

Speaker 7 (26:34):
That was a backwards compliment, he's all right.

Speaker 4 (26:36):
I like the guy.

Speaker 3 (26:37):
He's hot, he's all right, he's listening.
He's like, yeah, I like this oh.

Speaker 4 (26:41):
Oh oh.
The bitch gave me a plug, thenburned me.

Speaker 5 (26:45):
That's what you get, though, right I?

Speaker 6 (26:47):
mean, you know, that's what you get when you're
friends with Charlie Klein.

Speaker 4 (26:50):
You know, you know it's coming from somewhere.
That's right, you're like ohall warm and fuzzy and then, oh,
he's an asshole.
He don't even Well like Timwould always say that's more
fucked up than six guys blowingseven because someone's got two
dicks in their mouth.

Speaker 3 (27:10):
That was one of his things, tim are we allowed to
say that on our post page wejust did, we just did.

Speaker 4 (27:17):
We just did.

Speaker 3 (27:18):
Well, we did the disclaimer, didn't we?

Speaker 6 (27:20):
Yeah, we did the disclaimer, we did the
disclaimer.
So there you go 18 and up.

Speaker 4 (27:23):
Well, this is a post-function, that's right.

Speaker 5 (27:26):
That's true.

Speaker 4 (27:27):
I called the meeting to order.

Speaker 6 (27:29):
Is Emily Stanek old enough to be watching us?
I don't think she is.

Speaker 3 (27:35):
What'd you do to my phone?
It looks different now.
I just tapped it I touched it.

Speaker 5 (27:42):
He'd give you a little Apple love.
That's what he gave you.

Speaker 6 (27:46):
I actually accidentally went to the next
video and then I went back.
The comments are not thereanymore.

Speaker 3 (27:53):
Well, nobody's commented, but I know it just
looks different, Anyway it don'tmatter.
Emily and Natalie.
Oh, natalie, natalie.

Speaker 6 (28:05):
I'm not going to be here all night, so we need to
get to the real deal.

Speaker 4 (28:08):
What do you mean?
You're not going to be here allnight, the real deal.

Speaker 6 (28:13):
You got me until about 8 o'clock at the latest.

Speaker 5 (28:17):
He's got a hot date tonight.
He's got to get to.

Speaker 3 (28:20):
What do you want to talk about?
The boss is keeping you on theleash.

Speaker 5 (28:23):
What's his name anyway?

Speaker 6 (28:25):
I can't tell you that His name is Charlie Klein
actually.

Speaker 7 (28:29):
If he told you he'd have to kill you.
Top secret.

Speaker 2 (28:33):
You don't have clearance.

Speaker 6 (28:35):
How do we feel about the election boys?

Speaker 5 (28:37):
What election we had an election I didn't know Ever
since the last podcast, which Iwas not at.
Sorry about that so what's theselection you speak of?
I?

Speaker 4 (28:47):
got it, I got it, I liked it.

Speaker 7 (28:50):
AJ's on.
Huh, aj's on AJ Boyle.
Aj is on AJ Boyle.
Aj Boyle, young AJ.

Speaker 4 (28:57):
He's on the kid.

Speaker 8 (28:59):
The kid.

Speaker 4 (29:00):
The kid is on the kid .

Speaker 7 (29:05):
Is he old enough to be on this podcast, him and.

Speaker 2 (29:07):
Emily need to wear earmuffs, yeah I know, how do
you feel about it?

Speaker 6 (29:15):
I don't like it.
See, I had to be the onedissenting voice up here, yeah
which is good we're not, yeahJust like when we saw you the
next day and nobody gloated.

Speaker 4 (29:25):
I didn't gloat, you know what I didn't like that
very much that you guys didn'tgloat.

Speaker 6 (29:31):
Because, if it was me that had one, I'd be rubbing it
in all your goddamn faces.

Speaker 4 (29:39):
That's the difference between the left and the right.

Speaker 8 (29:41):
That's the difference between the left and the right.

Speaker 4 (29:43):
That's true, though, because we don't run around
calling people racist,misogynist, nazis, uneducated
women.
We don't label people like that.
You guys are the labelers.
You're joking right.

Speaker 6 (29:57):
No, you guys are the labelers.
You're joking About what?
About what you're saying rightnow?
We don't do that.
Are you joking right now?

Speaker 5 (30:04):
Just get down to business.

Speaker 6 (30:05):
I can't tell if you're joking or not joking Time
out, time out.

Speaker 3 (30:09):
I would say just labeling in general.
I feel like people on the leftside of the aisle are more into
labels in general, forthemselves, for others in
general than the right is.

Speaker 6 (30:23):
Well, I mean, we're talking about Donald Trump,
who's the leader of yourmovement, who comes up with
nicknames for everybody Sleepy,joe, those are nicknames, just
like your big papa Camel Toe,harris, wait what he came up
with that one.

Speaker 3 (30:42):
Listen listen.
I don't think he said Kim untilHarris, I didn't hear that one.
Crooked Hillary Because she iscrooked.

Speaker 5 (30:51):
Come on really, let's just call it a spade, a spade.

Speaker 6 (30:55):
You tell me who in DC is not crooked?

Speaker 3 (30:59):
They're all crooked.

Speaker 6 (31:00):
You tell me who's not .

Speaker 3 (31:01):
That's literally the platform he ran on, don't say
Donald Trump because he is thefucking crookedest.

Speaker 4 (31:06):
So the second, crookedest, crookedest.
The second yeah, neither one ofthe Clintons in government.
Where did the ClintonFoundation go?
Why is there no more moneybeing poured into the Clinton
Foundation?
I have no idea.

Speaker 2 (31:18):
I have no idea.

Speaker 4 (31:19):
Because she can't do favors for anybody.
So nobody's donating to theClinton Foundation anymore.
Why?

Speaker 6 (31:25):
can't she do favors for anybody?

Speaker 4 (31:27):
Because she's not in government anymore.

Speaker 5 (31:29):
She has no power anymore.

Speaker 6 (31:31):
So they shut her down .

Speaker 4 (31:32):
You know who else Are we going to make Tech our fact
checker here.

Speaker 3 (31:37):
Go ahead.
Tech is our fact checker.

Speaker 6 (31:39):
Listen we're not even talking about Hillary Clinton,
hillary.
Clinton she didn't run.
I'm talking about the Clinton,Hillary Clinton.
She didn't run.

Speaker 3 (31:50):
I'm talking about the name-calling and the let's see
the playground antics of DonaldTrump.

Speaker 5 (31:59):
I think, there's a difference between name-calling
and labeling.
Yes, the difference is he talksabout an individual as an
individual, not as a group ofpeople as a whole.
For instance, anyone who votesfor Trump is garbage.

Speaker 4 (32:15):
Or racist.

Speaker 6 (32:18):
That was listen.
I have never said that allTrump supporters are racist.

Speaker 3 (32:25):
And we're not saying that you said it.

Speaker 2 (32:27):
No, but we're not saying every left person said it
either.

Speaker 6 (32:30):
What I will say is all racists are Trump supporters
.
They are.

Speaker 5 (32:37):
All racists are Trump supporters.
I didn't say listen, listen.
No, I don't know if I agree,Not all.

Speaker 6 (32:41):
Trump supporters are racist.

Speaker 5 (32:43):
But all racists are Trump supporters.
But all racists are Trumpsupporters.
But all racists are Trumpsupporters.
I don't know that.
I agree with that.

Speaker 4 (32:48):
Well, that depends on how.

Speaker 3 (32:49):
Yeah, I don't agree with that entirely, because
there is a such thing as Becauseevery time I listen to the news
.
When you think of racism ingeneral in this country.
You think of white againstblack or a person of color in
general.
Okay, but it is entirelypossible for racism to be the
other way around.
That's just the definition ofit, and that also happens.

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That happens, not on the levelof Maybe not on the grandest
scale.
I get it, but I'm just sayingit's there, here's the thing.

Speaker 6 (33:19):
If you walk into a room and for 400 years you're
getting kicked in the dick, thatwould suck 400 years.
You're getting kicked in thedick.
That would suck 400 years.
You're getting kicked in thedick 400 plus years.
Don't you think you're going tolearn to not like that room
very much?

Speaker 4 (33:35):
Well, but let me ask you this, maybe you're not
liking the right room, becauseyou know what party abolished
slavery.
You know Don't even.
No, no, no.

Speaker 6 (33:47):
Let's talk about it.
I do want to talk about this.

Speaker 4 (33:50):
So what party abolished slavery?
It was the Republican Party.
Okay, so what party?

Speaker 7 (33:55):
advocated for slavery .

Speaker 4 (33:57):
Gave voting Republican Party.
Okay, what party actually hadthe first?
Colored?
I'll use colored.
Sorry if I no if that's aimproper term actually had the
first senators or congressmenelected into.
It was Republicans Right, sothe first black members elected
to Congress were Republicans.

(34:17):
So at what point did it switch?

Speaker 6 (34:20):
Look up Google this the Southern Strategy.
I'd also want to bring up theThree-Fifths Compromise too.

Speaker 5 (34:28):
Who came up with that .

Speaker 6 (34:29):
I've never, heard of it.

Speaker 7 (34:31):
I don't know what you're talking about.
Democrats wanted to keep slaves.

Speaker 4 (34:34):
Republicans wanted to free slaves.

Speaker 6 (34:36):
You're right, absolutely.

Speaker 3 (34:39):
And then you can never forget the fact that
Lincoln was the one that signedthe Emancipation Placidation.

Speaker 6 (34:43):
And he was a Republican?
Yes, he was.
And he got shot he got shot.

Speaker 3 (34:48):
Let's be honest.

Speaker 5 (34:49):
So why is it then, with all those being fact right,
Proven facts that you can lookup, why is it then that the
black population seems to votemore Democrat than Republican?
Incumbency?

Speaker 4 (35:06):
Because they get lied to.
Unfortunately, they getpromised stuff that never gets
delivered.

Speaker 6 (35:12):
They leave them out, they keep dangling the carrot.
I want to listen to this realquick.

Speaker 8 (35:17):
I don't want to pull up Wikipedia because of what you
can do with that one, so I'mpulling up Botanica.
It says that it's a politicalhistory of the us, a campaign
strategy the republican partyactively pursued for the 1960s
that initially sought toincrease and preserve support
from white voters in the southby subtly endorsing racial
segregation, racialdiscrimination and a
disenfranchised time out, stop.

Speaker 6 (35:38):
What party was that?
That's it.
It was a republican party, okay, and a disenfranchisement of
black voters.

Speaker 8 (35:42):
A disenfranchisement of black voters.

Speaker 6 (35:45):
Disenfranchisement of black voters.

Speaker 3 (35:47):
Which Republican House member, Congress in
general, Senate and theRepublican Party period.

Speaker 4 (35:53):
It just says Republican Party yeah.

Speaker 5 (35:56):
So, what happened is yes, they flipped this before
Listen you know who David Dukeis.

Speaker 4 (36:02):
You know who David Duke is.
Wasn't he part of the KKK?

Speaker 6 (36:08):
He was a grand wizard , okay okay, no, he was a state
senator in Louisiana.
Can you look him up?

Speaker 3 (36:12):
show me what party.
Okay time out though time outso when we're talking about
senior.

Speaker 6 (36:18):
Democrat.
He was a Democrat, but he wasbefore the southern strategy and
pooh paw of the once thesouthern strategy along, and the
Republican Party was.
What's his name?
David Duke.
Yeah, david Duke, he was likethe grand wizard, but so was.
Yes, you're right, bill, thathe was a former.

Speaker 8 (36:38):
What's that?
He was a former KKK leader,white supremacist politician.

Speaker 6 (36:44):
So what party was he in when he was in the?

Speaker 8 (36:48):
Says he's not directly associated with the
Southern Strategy Right.
Not directly.
Okay, Beth failed running forgovernor.
Hold on, let me find what partyhe was in.

Speaker 3 (36:58):
So while he's looking that up, I just want to point
something out.
So if we're going to be talkingabout the Southern Strategy as
it relates to the RepublicanParty, I want to know who in the
Republican Party was involvedin this, and I'm willing to bet
that it was going to be theSouthern Republicans who grew up
in that area.

Speaker 6 (37:14):
It started, I believe , with Nixon, not Nixon, yeah,
nixon, richard Nixon.
It started with Nixon In the60s.

Speaker 3 (37:21):
Wouldn't that be LBJ?

Speaker 2 (37:23):
Well it started with Nixon.

Speaker 6 (37:24):
That's actually and then Ronald Reagan kicked it up
a whole other level and that'show he won.
He won in 1984.
He won every single stateexcept for Minnesota.

Speaker 4 (37:38):
Minnesota was the only one that Mondale got, and
he was a.

Speaker 3 (37:42):
Republican Wasn't Mondale from Minnesota too?

Speaker 6 (37:48):
I don't know.
The Republican Party back inthe 40s, 50s and 60s, during the
Civil Rights era, was a lotlike what the Democratic Party
is nowadays.
They switched because theRepublican Party was losing
support.
So they said, wow, we need toget people in here.
We're going to appeal to theracists in the South.

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And that's what they did.
They appealed to the racists inthe South and started winning
again.

Speaker 3 (38:19):
So what you're saying is virtue signaling to get more
votes.
His virtue signaling to getmore votes.
Okay.

Speaker 6 (38:24):
So my statement that got us here was that not all
Trump supporters are racist, butI truly believe in my heart of
hearts that all racists areTrump supporters.

Speaker 5 (38:40):
So you're saying that no one that voted for Harris is
unbiased and non-racist.

Speaker 2 (38:50):
Well, we're talking about.
So you're saying that?

Speaker 5 (38:52):
any racist by your definition is a Trump supporter.
So no one that's a racist votedfor Harris, that's not what he
said.
That's exactly what he justsaid.

Speaker 6 (39:02):
I did say all racists are Trump supporters.
All racists, yeah.

Speaker 4 (39:06):
Not racists.
Oh, did say all races are Trumpsupporters.

Speaker 6 (39:07):
All races, yeah, not race, oh, you said racists.

Speaker 1 (39:09):
Yeah, racists.
Oh, I thought you said races.

Speaker 4 (39:11):
No racists he got because I agree with you.
Earlier I thought you saidraces not racists, racists, yeah
, racists.

Speaker 1 (39:19):
Gotcha, so if you're racist no I definitely

Speaker 4 (39:21):
don't agree with that .

Speaker 5 (39:21):
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
So if you're racist, then youvoted for Trump.
So do you think?
Okay?

Speaker 4 (39:26):
so, obviously there was blacks and Hispanics that
voted for and women that votedfor Trump?
Are those black people thatvoted, or Hispanics that voted,
or women voted?
Are they racist and misogynistsNow?

Speaker 6 (39:40):
let's talk about that .

Speaker 4 (39:43):
Because if it's only racist, let's talk about that.

Speaker 7 (39:45):
Because, if it's only racist, because he got
increased numbers of the blackvote.

Speaker 2 (39:48):
He had almost 50% of the Latino vote Black Latino.

Speaker 4 (39:52):
So they're racist against themselves.

Speaker 8 (39:54):
No, how do they know that?
They don't know.
We individually voted for them.
You know who?

Speaker 6 (39:57):
Mark Robinson is no.
He ran for governor in NorthCarolina.

Speaker 3 (40:01):
Isn't he the current lieutenant governor?
I think he is.

Speaker 6 (40:06):
I don't look that up.
I don't know how it works.
He was the guy that went virala few years back.

Speaker 7 (40:10):
talking about, Natalie says I'm appreciating
this respectful, controversialconversation amongst you,
gentlemen.

Speaker 6 (40:17):
This is what we do.
Don't make me blush, natalie,that's the thing I do not.
I do not hate anyone for theirpolitical views, right, I don't
hate anyone.
I respect your right to believehow you believe.

Speaker 7 (40:38):
And that's what we all went and fought for.

Speaker 6 (40:39):
Exactly, exactly.
So I got family and everythingthat just go absolutely apeshit
over this whole thing.

Speaker 5 (40:48):
So we've looked up a few people.
So look up, senator Byrd,considering you want to look up
certain sides.

Speaker 4 (40:56):
He was talking about.

Speaker 3 (40:56):
Mark Robinson yeah but he's.

Speaker 4 (40:58):
But I asked a question earlier.
We're going to get back to thatOkay About black people.

Speaker 6 (41:01):
Are those people?

Speaker 4 (41:02):
racist.
Black, yeah, black is the nextone.

Speaker 6 (41:05):
I want him to pull up Mark Robinson and what he did.
He's a black guy, he's thelieutenant governor in North
Carolina and he was on a pornwebsite years ago talking about
I'm a black Nazi.
We should bring slavery back.

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I'd own a few.

Speaker 5 (41:30):
Is this a black guy?

Speaker 2 (41:31):
There's a black guy saying this there's Kanye West.

Speaker 6 (41:36):
who, kanye West?
Who said I'm a Nazi, I'm a Nazi.

Speaker 5 (41:42):
See and I think that term is thrown around way too
much it does.
People don't even realizeexactly what they're talking
about when they say that I don'tthink.
So what did I look up?

Speaker 3 (41:50):
Well he's got like 40 tabs open now.
He kept telling him to lookshit up.

Speaker 5 (41:55):
That's what you wanted to look up, but you were
bringing up a certain rationale.

Speaker 6 (42:00):
But I agree with you.
Dennis Byrd was a member of theDemocratic Party the racist
Democratic Party before theybecame what they are now.

Speaker 5 (42:11):
What are they now?
That's the whole thing.
They seem to morph into allthis.
The.

Speaker 4 (42:17):
Democratic.
Party doesn't even know, theymorph into whatever the polls
are putting out, say they needto be.

Speaker 7 (42:23):
Exactly Identity politics hurt the.

Speaker 5 (42:25):
Democrats.

Speaker 3 (42:29):
And that's why they are failing.

Speaker 6 (42:30):
Identity politics.

Speaker 3 (42:31):
Yeah, you're right Let me get this out before I
forget it.
So talking about Mark Robinsonand his history, so I know where
you're going with this.

Speaker 1 (42:37):
You're going to go on the aspect of morality and that
kind of thing.

Speaker 6 (42:41):
right, I mean no.
And that kind of thing right,well, I mean no.
So you say you know what aboutthese black people that voted
for Trump and whatever whatnot,who obviously ignored the racism
, the misogyny, the homophobia,all of that?
We're going to get into that.
We'll get into all of that.

Speaker 3 (43:02):
I don't know.
You've got an 8 o'clock bedtime.
You've got a curfew.

Speaker 4 (43:05):
He's got like an hour and 15 minutes or so, if this
gets good, I'll stick around.
Do you think?

Speaker 7 (43:13):
the economic woes that this country has been in
overweighed these people ofcolors vote to go towards Donald
Trump.

Speaker 6 (43:26):
I absolutely think that's you know.
They looked at it, they lookedbeyond all that other shit and
said my pockets are hurting.

Speaker 8 (43:35):
Right.

Speaker 6 (43:35):
I'm going to ignore the rest of this shit and I'll
vote for Donald Trump.
So, because they think he'sgoing to Well he's already done
it once.

Speaker 4 (43:44):
He did already.
As soon as he got elected, theDow jumped like yeah, the 2000
starts.

Speaker 7 (43:50):
Mark overnight, no, and it's still moving.

Speaker 6 (43:52):
Yeah, exactly, it's still ready to check my I need
to check.

Speaker 4 (43:57):
Yeah, you better check your crypto, because it's
gone through.

Speaker 8 (44:00):
They're saying crypto it's insane insane, they're
saying cripples gonna keep beingall it is.
It's insane, it's at 87,000.

Speaker 4 (44:05):
It's insane.
They're saying crypto is goingto keep going.
All it is is he's just beenpresident-elect, They've taken
over.
But just the fact that Can wetalk about foreign policy too.

Speaker 5 (44:15):
I was just going to say not only that but Putin has
been trying his ass off to geton the phone with Trump to talk
to him.
I wonder what that's all about,because get on the phone with
Trump to talk to him.

Speaker 4 (44:24):
Wonder what that's all about, because Trump pretty
much said he's already said he'salready come out and said we
need to make a deal and the warHamas wants to do the same thing
.
They want to end it because heknows, they all know he's the
guy that sat there with theTaliban leader in Afghanistan
and said here's a deal I want toleave Afghanistan in 18 months.

(44:44):
And we in Afghanistan saidhere's the deal I want to leave
Afghanistan in 18 months andwe'll withdraw, but if you kill
one American you're done.
Pulls out a picture, gives itto the leader of the Taliban.
Guess what happened?
In 18 months, we never had oneAmerican killed you gotta
explain that for people whodon't understand the picture.

Speaker 3 (45:04):
The picture was a picture of the leader's house,
the Taliban leader's house.

Speaker 4 (45:08):
The guy he was sitting down with right we're
sitting across the table and hesaid here's the deal With the
Terp.
Tell him you want to withdraw,want out of Afghanistan, let us
leave, everything will be good.
Terp says the thing right.
And he says you let him knowthat if one hair on an
American's head is hurt, you'redone, you're done.

(45:30):
Tell him right.
So the Terp tells him.
Then he hands him a picture ofhis house.

Speaker 5 (45:36):
Like I know where you live.

Speaker 4 (45:38):
A drone and basically said here you go test it.
And guess what?
For 18 months we didn't haveone American killed in
Afghanistan.
Then he loses the election andthen we see the fallout of
trying to withdraw with a guythat just simply says don't
Right, ooh, don't, don't.
Well, here's a picture.
I will kill you, your family,your kids.

Speaker 3 (46:00):
Peace through strength.
And didn't Mad Dog do the samething during a speech?

Speaker 4 (46:06):
so mattis actually said the same thing right, so he
was being interviewed.
I think it was on 60 minutesand I'm not perfectly going to
be good on the quote and he wasrecounting the.
But it was a meeting withtribal leaders yeah, but
basically you know they theysaid something about you know,
does all this stuff keep you upat night?
He goes no, I'm the guy thatkeeps them up at night.
Yeah.
I remember that, because we andMad Dog was a Marine right, this

(46:29):
guy was straight up, just likeTrump.
If you fuck with us, we willwipe you off the mat and I'm not
going to feel bad about it, yep.

Speaker 6 (46:37):
So I agree with you guys as far as like.

Speaker 3 (46:42):
Trump's foreign policy.

Speaker 6 (46:46):
Like his with you guys.
As far as Trump's foreignpolicy, his foreign policy he
did well.
He didn't start any wars.
That's the one good thing I cansay about Trump.

Speaker 4 (46:52):
No wars were started while he was even.
It doesn't have to be us in it.
No other wars in the worldbroke out when he was there.

Speaker 3 (47:03):
And first president to step foot in North Korea.
But yet it was thrown all overthe media that he was there and
first president to step foot inNorth Korea.

Speaker 5 (47:05):
But yet it was thrown all over the media that he was
going to be World War III and hewas going to start wars, and
blah, blah, blah blah blah, I'llgive him the nuclear button.
Yeah, the disservice of ourbiased media.
Well, yeah, and.

Speaker 6 (47:20):
I didn't believe it.

Speaker 5 (47:21):
It was touted out not that long ago that 85% of the
news coverage against Trump wasbad it's always negative and 72%
of the news coverage of Harriswas good.
With that swing in bias, hestill won with a landslide.

Speaker 4 (47:40):
Well, that's because it's peer-to-peer, it's TikToks,
because people don't listen tothat crap anymore.
Yeah, absolutely, but there arecertain people that still do.

Speaker 7 (47:49):
Well, because conservatives in general, yeah,
but you can pinpoint thosepeople immediately, because any
argument they only haveone-sided facts.
You're like all right, allyou've got in your stuff is from
TV or the news.

Speaker 4 (48:00):
But you just get tired of being bombarded.
It's like mom, right.
So you're living with mom anddad.
Mom's always yelling clean upyour room, do the dishes, do
this, do that, always bitchingat you right.
And then the second, so you'relike whatever, it's just mom
being mom, right.
Second dad yells.
You're like oh, I screwed up,game over.

(48:21):
Right, it's game over.
So I got tired as a voter since2016, late 2015, when Trump was
running Merck's on Right andconstantly getting you're a
racist, you're a misogynist,just browbeaten.
And I've listened to it now forlike 10 years.
Hold on.
Guess what, I don't care aboutit no more People saying it to
you, conservatives andRepublicans in general we're

(48:45):
racist, we're misogynist, we'rebigots, we're this, we're that.
We've been told this stuff for10 years now.

Speaker 6 (48:52):
I don't even listen to it.

Speaker 4 (48:53):
It's like mom saying it anymore.

Speaker 6 (48:55):
I don't care.
I don't believe that thegeneral public are racist.
I can tell you this Do you knowwho Steve Bannon is?
Yep Racist.

Speaker 4 (49:10):
Yeah, there's always going to be people like that out
there.
Do you know who Stephen Milleris?

Speaker 6 (49:14):
No, Stephen Miller is Trump's closest confidant
Racist, Like he was in hisadministration Racist.
The guy was straight up racist.
All of his policies.

Speaker 4 (49:29):
This separate the children, and all that from
their families.
That was 100% agree with that100% agree with that, because if
what's his name?
Holman, holman, that's going tobe the new.
The borders are right.
He says the same thing in frontof Congress, talking to AOC, he
said the same thing.
He goes well, you're separatingfamilies at the border.

(49:50):
He goes I get separated as anAmerican.
If I have my kid in the car andI get pulled over for drunk
driving and I go to jail, am Inot separated from my kid?
A hundred percent?
So why are we allowing peopleto come over here?
So why are we allowing peopleto come over here?
Do you want to put 6-year-oldkids or 3-year-old little girls
in detention with 55-year-oldmen or 40-year-old men?
No, there's going to be badshit.

(50:11):
That happens.
You have to separate thosepeople.
It's the same thing why we goto prison.
We don't put males with femalesin prison, because what's going
to happen?
The males are going to dominatethe women.

Speaker 6 (50:25):
That's why we separate.
Right, you have to separate,okay, but you're not.
You're separating families.

Speaker 5 (50:28):
That's the thing.
Did you not listen to a word hejust said I?

Speaker 6 (50:32):
did but the law that they broke was coming across the
border trying to find a betterlife.

Speaker 3 (50:40):
So do it, legally Do it right.

Speaker 4 (50:43):
So I have a niece that lives in Washington DC.
Do it right?
No, her husband is from ElSalvador, came here illegally,
illegally, illegally, had to goback to El Salvador for about a
year to come back legally inorder to marry her Right Right.
So he left and came back.

Speaker 6 (51:04):
And they applied for the, I'm sure the.

Speaker 4 (51:07):
So now he's a US citizen.

Speaker 6 (51:09):
Now he's a US citizen .

Speaker 4 (51:10):
He's a dual citizen now, but he had to do it right.
So why can't these people do itright?

Speaker 6 (51:15):
So you obviously have never gone through the process
my wife and I have of trying toget her legal, so why don't you
just fly her over and have herhere illegally?
Why not?
You're saying she's legal.
Now I don't know, but why?

Speaker 4 (51:31):
Why did she have to come here legally?

Speaker 5 (51:32):
Yeah, why did she have to?
You just said, why would shebother doing it?

Speaker 6 (51:35):
Put her on a little boat and bring her into Miami
and she's good.

Speaker 4 (51:37):
Who said she was here illegally?
I didn't say she's here.
I said why did you do?

Speaker 3 (51:41):
it.
You said you went through theprocess.

Speaker 6 (51:43):
Yeah, we did go through the process, so why
can't anyone else you did?

Speaker 4 (51:47):
it.
So you're saying she's hereillegally.

Speaker 5 (51:49):
No, no, no she was here illegally.

Speaker 7 (51:53):
The problem with the process is it's long and
expensive.

Speaker 6 (51:56):
It's long and expensive, and we're talking
about thousands of dollars.
Good, why shouldn't it?

Speaker 5 (52:03):
You go to another country illegally and see what
happens to you.
No, I agree, They'll take youout back and shoot you right?
We don't do that.

Speaker 7 (52:09):
I think in America, where we pride ourselves on rule
of law and everything else, Idefinitely think there should be
a faster way.
I mean some of these peoplecoming through the legal way.
I mean it's it's 10 yearprocess and thousands and
thousands of dollars itshouldn't take that long.
This isn't really saying youguys seen the video with the but

(52:30):
do I think they should bevetted?

Speaker 8 (52:31):
yes, absolutely you guys seen the video with the
gumballs that talks about thisyeah so that's a really good
video.
Yeah, I'll use a quick analogywith it, if you have.
I'm gonna change it just alittle bit.
Like a 55 gallon drum full ofgumballs, that's the world of
people that want to get into theUS and we have like a 5 gallon
pail over here.
This is the room we have thisyear for the resources we have

(52:52):
available, all that stuff.
How do you pick out of the 55gallon drum what 5 gallons comes
across?
Pick?

Speaker 6 (52:57):
all the white ones.

Speaker 3 (52:58):
There are no white gumballs.

Speaker 8 (53:00):
I'm just saying.
I'm just saying, I'm taking asaying.

Speaker 6 (53:04):
I'm taking a guess.
Remember, Trump said it.
Why are we taking people fromwhole countries?
Why can't we get people fromSweden or Norway?

Speaker 4 (53:14):
Because, here's the thing.
Well, no, that's not true,because his wife came from
Poland.
Shit, it's not Sweden or Norway.
But what I'm saying is right.
You've got that big 55-gallondrum, and if we're going to
bring in people, they need to beproductive citizens.
We don't need to bring inpeople to be on the system.
We don't need people to be adrain on everybody else we need

(53:36):
to bring in.
If we're going to bring anybodyin, you just okay.

Speaker 6 (53:40):
That is why, okay, no , no, no, I'm going to do this.

Speaker 4 (53:43):
I'm going to go up next week and I'm going to go to
Hempire and I'm going to sayI'm an employee and you better
pay me and I'm going to sitaround and do whatever the hell
I want and if I'm not in yourpayroll I'll just steal what the
hell I want to steal.
You can't throw me out, why not?
What do you mean?

Speaker 6 (54:08):
That's what these illeg here, and they're a drain
on the welfare system.
They're getting free hotels.
They're getting free food.
New york just had to shut itoff.
Do you know?
Do you know how?

Speaker 5 (54:12):
how much money um illegal immigrants paid into
social security, and all that in2022 do you know how much drain
that they drew off of oursystem?

Speaker 3 (54:19):
well, let's, let's, let's get to that.

Speaker 6 (54:19):
You just bumped that camera those uh, those illegals
paid $96 billion in 2022 intoour social security system.
That's money they're not goingto get.
Wait a minute.

Speaker 4 (54:34):
Look up how much New York has given illegal
immigrants since they startedtheir food and their hotels.
I bet you it's been more than$96 billion because they just
shut off their $350 a week infood credit.
$350 a week in food credit $350a week, that's like $1,200 a
month in food that would pay formy family of five.
I pay $350 a month at my housefor me and the boy, not a week.

(54:58):
They're getting that a weekplus free hotel room, right?
So you start adding that up bythe $60 or $70 million or
whatever it was that was sent upto New York, or thousands $60
or $70 million.
Hundreds of thousands that weresent to New York.
It was like $50,000 maybe,maybe.

Speaker 3 (55:17):
But it's $50,000 times $350 per week, times 52
weeks, and that's just food.

Speaker 5 (55:24):
The problem is, we don't even know the amount of
people that have came across,and let's time out for a second
and bring it to US citizens.

Speaker 3 (55:32):
So we're talking about this whole kind of program
for illegals, but we've alsogot our own US citizens who are
rigging the system.
Oh yeah, right, and so we'renot even talking about us, are
you?

Speaker 6 (55:44):
talking about the welfare system?
Yeah, I'm talking about youknow, does welfare even exist
anymore?
It sure does, it sure does.
I wish my daughter would get onit, god damn.

Speaker 3 (55:54):
But she's got two kids, one on the way- you know,
I just wanted to make that point, just to show that we're not
just talking about illegals.

Speaker 1 (56:03):
here We've got our own people that are having this
issue.

Speaker 3 (56:08):
I'm just saying that the illegals have a potential of
compounding the issue.
Maybe that's not an issue herein Michigan, maybe that's an
issue more so for New York, Idon't know.

Speaker 6 (56:19):
I'm not an expert in this.
You know what we should havedone Back in the 1900s, when all
those ships were sailing intoNew York Harbor, the harbor of
New York, and going to EllisIsland.
We should have shot those boatsdown right in the ocean, sunk

(56:39):
them before they even got here.
Sound of freedom, that's whatwe should have done.
Why, why let them come here,guys?
Sound of freedom, that's whatwe should have done.
Why, why, why, why, why letthem come here and be a fucking
drain on our system.

Speaker 4 (56:50):
But you got to remember we didn't have welfare
in 1900.

Speaker 6 (56:53):
That's true.

Speaker 4 (56:54):
Right.
So either you landed on a boatand you made your way you died
in the street, which most ofthem did.
There was no falling back onthe system.

Speaker 6 (57:06):
So it was okay to let the Europeans come, but now,
once the brown people from thesouth.

Speaker 3 (57:09):
It doesn't matter who it is.
Hold on a minute.
Why are we not building?

Speaker 6 (57:12):
a wall.
Why are we not?

Speaker 4 (57:15):
building a wall with Canada.
Let them come in, and if theycome in illegally, they get zero
state assistance.
They get zero anything.
They don't get health care,they don't get schooling, they
don't get housing, they don'tget food vouchers.
They get nothing.
They come over just like myancestors did in the 1800s.
They landed in Ellis Island,they signed the document book
saying that they were here andthey got told where they're

(57:36):
going to go live, and it waseither feast or famine.
Dude, you got a job and you gota house, or you got an
apartment or you made your ownfood.
They did what you did.
There was zero from thegovernment.

Speaker 3 (57:45):
You got nothing, and there were times.

Speaker 4 (57:47):
Other than told where they were going to go.
So they landed in Ellis Island,they got six months in New York
, or a year and six months inNew York, and then they were
told they were going to Chicagoand they got loaded up on a
freight train and they gotshipped to Chicago and that's
where they had to put roots on.
That's it.
That's all they got was a trainticket.
They got nothing else.
The whole year and six monthsor whatever it was 18 months

(58:08):
they were in New York.
They had to go get a job justto be fed.
They had to rent a freakinghouse and they had to earn their
own way.
They didn't have the governmentsaying oh, here's a place for
you to live, oh, here's moneyfor food.
They got nothing, nothing.
Money for food.
They got nothing, nothing.
And I have no problem If theywant to come here illegally.
They get absolutely nothing offthe system.
I don't care if they live in atent, they live under the bridge

(58:29):
or they live in the ditch.
That's cool, come on over, makeyour own way, just like my
ancestors did.
No, problem.

Speaker 5 (58:35):
But the problem is the difference back then is they
didn't come here because theywanted to rampage and rape and
steal and do the violence.

Speaker 4 (58:43):
They don't all want to do that.

Speaker 5 (58:45):
But there is that.

Speaker 3 (58:47):
Because there's no vetting of their background.
That's right, that's the wholereason that you're supposed to
there's probably not even 10% ofthe violence to vetting.
Correct me if I'm wrong, ifanybody knows this, but that's
the reason why you go to theport of entry, because if you
want to come here and claimasylum, our State Department is
going to reach out to thatcountry, is going to do a

(59:10):
background check, is going tofigure you out and who you are.
They're just going to vet youin general before they let you
in.
It is not an open door.

Speaker 5 (59:18):
It's not meant to be, but you can't say that that
didn't happen, because how manyprisons in Venezuela was let
loose to come to this country?
And that's a fact.
Did it.

Speaker 4 (59:28):
Yeah, they actually let a bunch of prisoners out in
order to cut their costs.

Speaker 6 (59:34):
Cuba did that Castro back in the 80s.
Late 70s, early 80s Let themout.

Speaker 4 (59:41):
Tell them to go north , get out of here.
They're not my problem anymore.

Speaker 3 (59:44):
That was before my time, you old assholes.

Speaker 4 (59:47):
Plus the way seeking asylum works.
They're internationally, byinternational law.
They're doing it wrong.
Anyways, If you leave Brazil,you leave whatever.

Speaker 5 (59:57):
You can't go through another country.

Speaker 4 (01:00:00):
You have to go to the next country that borders your
country that's right In order toclaim asylum.
You can't travel from.
Chile, all the way throughBrazil, all the way through
Central America, all the waythrough Mexico.
To get here, you have to go tothe next country to claim asylum
.
So they're doing it wrong.
Well, mexico doesn't want them,so they're giving them a free

(01:00:21):
pass.
That's right.
Hey, just keep on cruisingthrough here's water.
Here's some food.
Just keep on going north.
Because we don't want to dealwith you.
Yeah, because they can't affordit either.
So they're doing it illegally,even international law.
They're doing it illegal allthe way around, trying to come

(01:00:42):
here to claim asylum, when weshould only be taking Mexican
citizens for asylum or Canadiancitizens from asylum.
We can't take people from anyother country because they're
going through other countries'borders that are free.
So that's always been an issue.

Speaker 5 (01:00:55):
So they're doing it wrong right out the gate and
they're using that oh, it's anasylum and oh, we can't separate
the kids.
They're trying to pull theheartstrings.
Exactly, they're pleading tothe heartstrings and making it
okay based on oh, if you don'tlet this happen, you're
heartless.
Well, it's not about that, it'sright, and wrong, oh and to get

(01:01:17):
back to his.

Speaker 6 (01:01:18):
Well, your definition of right and my definition of
right are probably two differentthings.

Speaker 7 (01:01:24):
The tough thing about women and children.

Speaker 5 (01:01:26):
So hold on.
You say that.
Go back to what Charlie saidabout him coming to your shop
and just taking whatever hewants.
You pay him and he's not goingto do anything.

Speaker 6 (01:01:36):
Listen.

Speaker 5 (01:01:36):
I don't no hold on.
Is that right or wrong?

Speaker 6 (01:01:41):
Is that right or wrong?
Well, of course, charlie comingto my shop, and that'd be wrong
, yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:01:46):
So our definition of right or wrong isn't that
different.

Speaker 3 (01:01:49):
The country and Charlie's the illegal immigrant.
Here's the thing.

Speaker 5 (01:01:53):
So that just goes to what you just said, that our
definition of right and wrongare different, and you just
agreed with me Our definition ofthat being what him doing would
be wrong, right.
So our definition of right orwrong is not different.

Speaker 6 (01:02:07):
If we didn't make things so hard and we let people
started letting more people in,they would and not being like
but there is a process, but wecannot.

Speaker 5 (01:02:20):
We can only let so many in a year, because it
floods our system and then we'reoverloaded and we cannot take
care of our own essential.

Speaker 6 (01:02:28):
Right, but let's go back to what Charlie said we
don't give them shit.

Speaker 5 (01:02:32):
But that's not Whether they come legally or
illegally, but that's against.

Speaker 6 (01:02:36):
We don't give them.

Speaker 5 (01:02:37):
So if you did that, if you did like he said and like
it happened in the past, do youknow how quick the heartstrings
would be slammed on that?

Speaker 4 (01:02:46):
oh, I'm like you kids starving and dying in the
street and we're not doing thisit would look like an aspc women
and children are used as pawnsespecially, you know for foreign
countries.

Speaker 7 (01:02:57):
It was no different than when we were in iraq, when
they sent women and childrenwith guns to come after them
yeah so that's no different thanthese foreign countries sending
these women and children acrossthe border and they get split
up.
I saw this on TikTok.
I don't know, it's tough.

Speaker 4 (01:03:13):
Anybody that agrees that we should be taking these
asylum seekers should open uptheir houses if they have an
extra room or a basement.
I mean I know there's a placethat's got about a
10,000-square-foot basement thatI guarantee we could line cots
up all day long.
I mean I know there's a placethat's got about a
10,000-square-foot basement Iguarantee we could line cots up
all day long.
All day long I've been there.
I've got the address.
So if there's any out therethat are on Facebook, listen to

(01:03:34):
this tonight.
You let me know as soon as Iknow that house in Alma,
michigan, just north of ourcapital, is open and ready to
take residents.
They have a shelter there thatyou are more than welcome to.

Speaker 5 (01:03:48):
Free hots and a cot.

Speaker 4 (01:03:50):
Hots and the cots.
They are more than willing totake you in.
And if they don't take you in,that just goes to show that they
don't agree with you being here, Because if they agreed with
you being here, they would bewilling to spend their own
hard-earned money and spaces toshelter you and take care of you
and you can bring your wholefamily.
They will not separate you fromyour kids.
They'll be happy to take youknow, eight guys and the 14 kids

(01:04:14):
that come with them.

Speaker 5 (01:04:16):
They're more than willing to do that If they don't
do that shame on them.
The funny part of this, though,is when you turn it around and
you make it absolutely 100%personal.
It kind of changes the subjecta little bit.

Speaker 7 (01:04:30):
But what about?
No, no, what about.

Speaker 4 (01:04:32):
I'm going to get on the horn with Greg Appett down
in Texas and I'm going to givehim an address for how we're
going to get him in.
We got men women and children.

Speaker 2 (01:04:38):
He can sign the whole busload.

Speaker 7 (01:04:39):
We got men, women and children asylum seekers, you
know, coming into this countryseeking, you know, shelter, food
and whatever.
What about our own women?

Speaker 3 (01:04:49):
men and children and veterans and hungry that we
can't even take care of.
What asylum?

Speaker 7 (01:04:53):
We refuse to take care of what are we talking
about?

Speaker 4 (01:04:56):
What is our definition of asylum?
So let me say this, though, Inthe grand scheme of things I've
read a lot about homelessness inAmerica, and most of the people
that are homeless want to behomeless.

Speaker 5 (01:05:08):
Choose to be exactly right.

Speaker 4 (01:05:09):
And part of the reason why is they don't want to
be restricted in theirday-to-day activities.
They don't want to be told bythe man to come to work and you
know, I've got to worry about abill and I've got to do this.
So a lot of them actuallychoose to be homeless.
That's right.

Speaker 5 (01:05:26):
I them actually choose to be homeless, because
that's right, because they watchthe seat.
I watched a 60 minute episodeon that, the the panhandlers and
and they would.
They would leave the corner fromfrom all day, go around the
block, get in their car hold on,guys, we'll get to your
comments in a second.
They're 250 000 house becausethey're they're making more than
us money cash, money, no taxes,no anything, and and they're

(01:05:46):
living better than we are andwe're giving them that money.
Yeah, I refuse, I refuse.
There's, there's ways to go andavenues.
After seeing that episode, ittotally changed my thought
process.

Speaker 3 (01:05:57):
So let's go over the comments real quick.
Um, millions of americans don'tqualify for welfare and they
struggle every day, playingdevil's advocate.
What if you really do needasylum and the process does cost
a lot?
They don't have it and theyjust don't get in.
There's definitely things thatneed to be changed in our system
as a whole.
Agreed.
Our entire immigration policyas a whole needs to be changed,

(01:06:18):
agree with that.
It does need to be changed.
Merck says that he'll stay inthe mansion.

Speaker 6 (01:06:26):
He's already stayed in one of my properties.

Speaker 5 (01:06:29):
Where's he seeking asylum from?

Speaker 3 (01:06:33):
Where's that property at hey?

Speaker 4 (01:06:35):
Merck, you and I can spoon at night, because I'm
coming too.

Speaker 6 (01:06:39):
It's on Crawford Road .
If you need a place to stay,which one?
Crawford Road?

Speaker 3 (01:06:44):
Either Big Spoon or the Little Spoon and one Offord
Road, I guess Loose Road Either.

Speaker 1 (01:06:46):
Big Sport or the Little Sport, and then we've got
one Bring your golf clubs.

Speaker 3 (01:06:48):
We've got one that says who cares about illegal
immigrants when you've got kidsin Flint, michigan, in your
backyard with poisoned waterliving?
Section 8 on food stamps andgovernment assistance we can't
feed our own people.

Speaker 6 (01:06:58):
There's another Republican Agreed.
Yeah, but here's the thing.

Speaker 3 (01:07:01):
Who do we focus on?
We have a great US aid program.
We have great humanitarianprograms.
We go on deployments for all ofthis stuff.

Speaker 6 (01:07:10):
Let's talk about Donald Trump and what he's going
to do to fix all of this.

Speaker 3 (01:07:14):
How about we not talk about that?
Because we're not done yet.
Hold on, we're still talking.
We're still talking.

Speaker 4 (01:07:19):
I want to address one comment, and this is the reason
where you want to talk aboutthe process to become a US
citizen is too expensive, right?

Speaker 2 (01:07:29):
Probably totally agree.
I'm sure it is.

Speaker 4 (01:07:32):
And I could probably get Giovanni on the horn one
night to talk about it, becausehe actually went through the
process when he was down there.
I was FaceTiming him once aweek.
I went through the process andfor him, when we have these
illegal asylum seekers cominghere, they're draining the tax
dollars to shelter them.
So this is the reason why wedon't have other resources for

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Americans that are currentlyhere, that are actually
Americans.
We don't have the funding forthem because we're spending the
money on the illegal asyleesthat are here.

Speaker 5 (01:08:02):
So what would you suggest that we could do to help
fix this issue of illegalimmigration?

Speaker 3 (01:08:11):
I apologize.
I asked him to look up what ourdefinition of asylum even is.
I mean, I have a general idea,but what is the United States
definition of asylum?
What qualifies a person to filefor an asylum status?

Speaker 8 (01:08:25):
The protection granted by a nation to someone
who has left their nativecountry as a political refugee.

Speaker 4 (01:08:30):
Right Political refugee Not.
My living conditions areterrible.
That means I'm going to bekilled by my government for the
political affiliation that Ihave.
Right Now.
Look up the international lawof how to seek asylum, because
that's probably somewhere it'lltalk about.
You have to go to the nextcountry that borders you.

Speaker 8 (01:08:53):
And I don't know, why do you go?

Speaker 2 (01:08:55):
shopping, shopping, shopping for a country.

Speaker 4 (01:08:57):
So, basically like Jill that came from.

Speaker 8 (01:09:01):
Okay, so a quick, and I'm sure this is through Gemini
or one of those.
It's a general AI one Gemini.

Speaker 5 (01:09:07):
What about Virgo or Cancer GPT?
No, no, it's an AI.
I'm kidding, I'm kidding.

Speaker 8 (01:09:12):
It says to seek asylum in the US, you can apply
within one year of your lastarrival in the US, Unless you
show extraordinary circumstances, be physically present, meet
the definition of refugee.

Speaker 4 (01:09:27):
That's not what we're looking for.
I'm asking can you travelthrough more than one country to
seek asylum?

Speaker 5 (01:09:30):
in another, because the international laws.

Speaker 4 (01:09:31):
You have to go to the next country.
That border is yours.

Speaker 5 (01:09:33):
As long as the next country is friendly, it has to
be friendly.
So you could potentially gothrough multiples if where
you're traveling to is still notfriendly.

Speaker 4 (01:09:44):
You can't travel through five to get to the one
you really want to live in aslong as there's, as long as
there's a friendly in that five,then that's that's correct.

Speaker 8 (01:09:52):
As a result, most asylum seekers must apply for
asylum whichever of these twocountries they land in first
yeah, whichever of what twocountries, but it has to be.

Speaker 5 (01:10:01):
Asylum seekers must apply for asylum in whichever,
of what two countries.

Speaker 4 (01:10:03):
Asylum seekers must apply for asylum in whichever of
these two countries they landin first.

Speaker 8 (01:10:10):
I'm going to click on a link so we can get more info
on that.

Speaker 5 (01:10:13):
Two countries, so it has to be a friendly for one.

Speaker 8 (01:10:16):
It says land, so you can fly over one each other.

Speaker 3 (01:10:19):
So while you guys are , looking that up, we've got a
couple more.
So AJ's saying politiciansdon't fix shit.
Flint, Detroit, saginaw are allthe same shitholes.
They've been under Trump, obamaand Biden.
President doesn't matter,neither does the party.
The ghetto doesn't change, nomatter who's in office.

Speaker 6 (01:10:34):
Tell AJ to shut the fuck up.
Go drink some titty milk withhis young man.

Speaker 3 (01:10:40):
You want to read that man Ouch?
Oh, you want to read that manOuch.
And then we got agreeing withAJ driving around Saginaw every
day.
There's nice parts, but the badis bad, and my answer to that
would be where's the investmentin those areas?

Speaker 6 (01:11:01):
I mean, we get into economic policy there, but I can
tell you who fucked that up andI'm going to be honest with you
Democrats.
This free trade and all thatbullshit was under Clinton,
Clinton, and I remember whenNAFTA came along NAFTA.
And I remember, as soon as thathappened, seeing these cities

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die off.

Speaker 4 (01:11:23):
So I'm going to tell a story about Flint.

Speaker 3 (01:11:26):
Hey, let me make a quick joke.
Hey Tech, what's he drinkingright here?

Speaker 8 (01:11:32):
Shut up.

Speaker 6 (01:11:34):
What is it?
Tech Dingo wings.

Speaker 3 (01:11:37):
Dingo wings.
Sorry inside joke.
He was helping us with ourcanteen and House has got line
and kugels and he looks at meand he goes is that linen
cuddles?
I was like because he couldn'tread the script on the can.

Speaker 7 (01:11:56):
By the way, do you guys see they're shutting down.
Who is Miller or Coors orwhoever their parent company is
that bought them is shuttingdown Really.
Line and kugel Wow.

Speaker 3 (01:12:05):
Oh no, don't tell.

Speaker 2 (01:12:06):
Tiffany that she loves.

Speaker 3 (01:12:07):
Summer Shandy.

Speaker 4 (01:12:08):
Yeah, she had to find something else, so Flint where
Flint went wrong was and they'vebeen a Democrat stronghold in
that city forever, whichtypically the big cities are
right, and I'm not blamingDemocrats on this either.
All right, but the way that itworked out was they had big GM

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plants, right, so they keptrelying on GM and their tax
dollars to fund everything inthe city.
So, rather than replacing thewater mains, they're building
big, beautiful cuts, becausethat's what gets politicians
elected, right.
What you don't see under theground doesn't get you elected,
but that big shiny park orwhatever that people see.

(01:12:51):
That's what gets you elected.
So they neglected taking careof an infrastructure that you
can't see.
And then they kept going afterGM for more and more and more.
And GM said if you keep comingafter us for more, we're going
to leave, we'll build a plantsomewhere else in Tennessee or
whatever.
We're going to get the hellright out, because if I'm going

(01:13:14):
to have to pay a billion dollarsa year, I'll just build a plant
and go somewhere else.
It's cheaper for us.
It was a long investment, andthey did it.
They started pulling out ofFlint Now Flint.
It was a long-haul investment,and they did it.
They started pulling out ofFlint right and then now.

Speaker 1 (01:13:28):
Flint's losing income tax revenue.

Speaker 4 (01:13:28):
So then they had to switch their water source.
They started getting out of theGreat Lakes, out of Huron,
rather than from Detroit.

Speaker 5 (01:13:35):
Well, it's because they didn't pay their bill too.

Speaker 4 (01:13:41):
Sorry, aj, I was just joking.
Did your butt hurt?

Speaker 6 (01:13:44):
He said I was on Trey's side.

Speaker 4 (01:13:50):
Fuck him.
Snuggled up to mama sucking onthe teeth, typing that you got
two for a reason.

Speaker 5 (01:13:58):
One side roll over to the other side.
The problem with the Flintwater system is when they went
to the other source they had toadd so much more cleaners and
different things to it and iteroded the protective layer of
the pipes.

Speaker 4 (01:14:09):
That's when the lead came in the lead's always been
there.
I will tell you as we're uphere at the AJ Plumbing Sky
Lounge any time that you changethe molecular structure of your
water going through a pipe, itstraight up tears the pipe apart
.
I've been in and this is nojoke hospitals and schools,

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right.
And the second that the citydrills a new well and it might
be 500 feet deeper, right nextto the other one or whatever,
because they're running rightand as soon as that changes
there's pits and holes and leaksand stuff.
That's incredible Because thatmolecular structure of the water
changes.
So the second, they had toswitch from Detroit water

(01:14:54):
because they couldn't afford it,to starting getting it out of
the Saginaw Bay up by Bay City.
They changed that water sourceand, like you say, if they're
not treating it properly, it'sgoing to start eating it, it's
going to start eating

Speaker 2 (01:15:06):
it.

Speaker 4 (01:15:07):
And that's exactly what happened.
And that just comes back to.
They kept relying on GM and,rather than fixing the water
pipes, they built parks or didwhatever else with their money,
rather than worrying about theirinfrastructure.

Speaker 5 (01:15:20):
Well, they had to pay for them.
Illegals.

Speaker 4 (01:15:22):
You know?
No, you know, and it's tragic.

Speaker 6 (01:15:26):
Them illegals don't even want to go to Flint.
It's tragic because that wasbecause that was Vehicle City.

Speaker 5 (01:15:34):
I mean, Flint was a rich city, it was Detroit.

Speaker 4 (01:15:37):
That's because they had GM there.
They chased them out.

Speaker 6 (01:15:40):
So I know I just left you guys.
Detroit, Flint had all theseauto plants Lansing, and why'd
they get chased out?
Nafta?
Then NAFTA had them.

Speaker 4 (01:15:49):
Well, it even goes earlier than that, NAFTA rather
than giving the largest employera tax break to stay to have?
Because it's not just aboutwhat GM pays, right You're
talking about like these bigcities, right?
My sister-in-law works forConsumers Energy.
She lives in Lansing.
They're out of Jackson, right?
If she's working from home somany days a week or she's

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working down in Jackson at PlazaOne so many days a week, she
pays different city taxes.
Those big cities all have acity tax.
Not only is it your income taxand all these other things, but
it's also citywide taxes.
So the second GM pulls out ofthese big cities not only is the
GM's money walking out the door, but it's all the employees'
money walking out the door andall they're doing is shooting
themselves in the foot.
So if you have the biggestemployer of your city and they

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say, look man, you guys arekilling us, you've got to give
us a break.
And they basically say the cityboard or whatever it is mayor's
office says, f you Pound sand,pound sand, pound sand, we're
going to keep taxing and we'regoing to raise it.
And they say, well, you poundsand, I'm going to build
something in Tennessee.
Or I'm going to build somethingin Mexico, I'm going to build
something in Canada.
You F off?
Yeah, because I can get abetter deal somewhere else.

Speaker 5 (01:16:55):
Right, and that's how these cities go down.
You just took two-.

Speaker 4 (01:17:00):
Because now, if it's a Republican and no offense to
our conservative right we runbusinesses, own businesses.
I'm going to do where it'sfriendly for me to do business
If I can't make money.
I can't put a dispo up in MountPleasant, michigan, because I
can't make money.
There's too much competition.
I'm going to go somewhere else,I'll go to Lewis my labor costs
are cheaper.
My property taxes are cheaper.
I'm going to go somewhere else,right?

Speaker 3 (01:17:21):
You're going to go somewhere else.
You're going to do the samething, you're not going to come
down here and struggle.

Speaker 2 (01:17:30):
You're going to stay in a small market where you're
thriving.
That's what these guys aredoing.

Speaker 3 (01:17:34):
You're making a good point.
I left when you were talkingabout NAFTA.
You old guys can educate ayoung guy Growing up.
I remember some of the Fordplants shutting down.
I remember Greenville.

Speaker 4 (01:17:48):
He says a young guy is at Receiving Airlines about
halfway back he's saying he's ayoung guy.
I love that.

Speaker 3 (01:17:55):
But seriously, what's that?

Speaker 4 (01:17:57):
factory in Greenville .

Speaker 3 (01:17:59):
The factory in Greenville.
What was that?
Hitachi?

Speaker 4 (01:18:02):
No, no, it was Gibson and Hitachi.
No, gibson.
And then, turned intoElectrolux.
I actually have family fromGreenville area.
I moved from Chicago toGreenville.

Speaker 6 (01:18:12):
Okay.
So I had, it was Electrolux.

Speaker 3 (01:18:16):
I remember those factories shutting down and I
remember asking my mom.
Of course she couldn't tell mehow do you explain NAFTA to an
eight-year-old, so I didn'tunderstand An eight-year-old
that was destined for the Navy.

Speaker 6 (01:18:31):
You know who did a great job.

Speaker 3 (01:18:32):
You went to the Marine Corps.

Speaker 6 (01:18:33):
No young shelter man who did a great job explaining
that whole.
Nafta thing.

Speaker 2 (01:18:39):
What did that say on your ID card?

Speaker 5 (01:18:42):
What did that say, michael Moore, on your?

Speaker 2 (01:18:43):
ID card.

Speaker 5 (01:18:43):
What did that say?

Speaker 6 (01:18:43):
Michael Moore On your ID card.
I can't remember the name.

Speaker 5 (01:18:47):
It might have been what your picture was?
One of his documentaries?
One of his documentaries?
Yeah, he does greatdocumentaries.

Speaker 2 (01:18:52):
He's very liberal.

Speaker 4 (01:18:55):
Very, very liberal but, he does really good
documentaries.

Speaker 3 (01:18:59):
I like Sicko.
Sicko was good.
Of course, my background ishealthcare, so that's why I
liked it.
That's a whole otherconversation.

Speaker 6 (01:19:08):
Can you imagine that In Sicko he loaded a bunch of
people on a boat In 9-11, firstresponders loaded them on a boat
, took them to Cuba and they gotthe care that well, probably
not everything that they needed,but they got some care in Cuba.

Speaker 3 (01:19:29):
And you know they weren't fancy hospital rooms or
anything like that.

Speaker 4 (01:19:32):
Yeah, wait to see what happens to our health care
system here in about a year.
What do you think?
What do you mean?
They're going to gut it.
What's that?
What are they gutting?
The Trump administration isgoing to start gutting shit.
All this.
Every time you go to the doctor, push a pill, push a pill, push
a pill.
All this bullshit.
It's going to end Just likewith the Department of Education

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.

Speaker 3 (01:19:54):
I want insurance to be completely unfucked.
It's terrible.

Speaker 4 (01:19:59):
I was actually at the doctor's, and I'm not kidding
you.
I went up and I paid my $20co-pay.
And I'm not kidding you.
I went up and I paid my $20copay and I had a lady walk up
right after me to the check-inwindow.
You know, I need your insurancecard.
Nope, I'm here to pay cash.
She says, okay, it's $50, so itmeans she paid $50 for that
visit.

Speaker 3 (01:20:16):
I paid 20.

Speaker 4 (01:20:18):
I paid 20 at the window and then I get a bill in
the mail for another 110 yeah,it's cheaper to use cash she
paid 50.

Speaker 5 (01:20:24):
yeah, she didn't have insurance, so that means my
insurance company and myself arepaying extra for that Because
of all the bureaucratic bullshitthat the government puts on us,
and that's what I meant aboutun-fucking our insurance.

Speaker 3 (01:20:36):
There really is no place for the middleman anymore.

Speaker 6 (01:20:39):
You guys are complaining about things that
are we have no control over.
No, that would be like youconsider that communism or
socialism.

Speaker 3 (01:20:51):
Okay, okay, time out, time out.

Speaker 5 (01:20:53):
We're talking about health care, it is Do you know
why there's health care the wayit is today.
Do you guys understand why?
What happened?
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:21:02):
Rich people want to get richer.
No, it has nothing to do withthat After World.
Why what?

Speaker 5 (01:21:03):
happened.
Yeah, it's back after.
We want to get Richard.

Speaker 4 (01:21:04):
No, there's nothing to that after one doctor should
make more than anybody elseafter.

Speaker 5 (01:21:08):
World War two.
They kept wages.
You could not pay anyone over acertain amount.
So employers went in because Iwant, I want you, so I'm.
I can't pay you any more than acertain amount, so I'm gonna
give you a more than a certainamount, so I'm going to give you
a benefit.

(01:21:28):
Who capped wages Government did?
You can look it up Governmentcapped wages For who.
For everybody, everyone, yes.
So private business beingprivate business, I want you
because you're better than thisguy.
I can't pay anybody.
That's one benefit benefits.
I'm going to give you healthcare and what happened is they

(01:21:49):
took you paying for your ownhealth care to someone else
paying for it.
So now you don't give two shitsif that five dollar aspirin
costs five dollars for anaspirin because your employer is
paying for it, or the insuranceis paying for it.
So then then you start addingall the red tape on top where,
oh, you can't do that, you'vegot to give a title.

(01:22:11):
You can't give them a title andall, you have to give them a
generic version because we'repaying for it, and blah, blah,
blah.
And then it snowballs into 50years of this stuff and now it's
so bureaucratic red tape thatCharlie's paying $400 for a bill
that this lady paid 50 bucksfor Well, you know what's even
crazier Because it's cashinstead of.

Speaker 4 (01:22:33):
Have you ever asked for an itemized bill?
Oh, that's always fun From ahospital, it's ridiculous.

Speaker 3 (01:22:40):
I've heard stories.
One of the stories that I heardwas she had.
I was going to tell you one.
One of the stories that I heardwas she had.
I'm trying to find it.
So the story that I heard was awoman who went in for an
emergency C-section.
How did all this?

Speaker 4 (01:22:55):
turn out from the election.
Yeah, we drifted way way.

Speaker 3 (01:22:59):
But that's soup sandwich and that's how our
conversations roll.

Speaker 6 (01:23:03):
I want to finish this conversation.
No more conglomeration fortrade to finish this
conversation, so just finishedthis story so half hour, yep so
yeah, before his curfew, I keepit longer so she goes in for an
emergency c-section.

Speaker 3 (01:23:18):
I do what I want.
Emergency c-section, yeah,emergency c-section so she can
have a baby.
So which is surgery?
So, and then they keep her forobservation for a couple of days
.
She gets an itemized bill somepoint down the line and finds
out that they charged herinsurance like $100, for a box
of alcohol pads to stock herroom.

(01:23:41):
With the same box of alcoholpads you could get at Meijer for
$3.
Yep, that's typical.

Speaker 4 (01:23:48):
It's like $22.
Jen got charged one time for abox of Kleenex.

Speaker 5 (01:23:52):
Because they're mandated to give that to you,
mm-hmm.

Speaker 4 (01:23:56):
And they have to do it.
It's like that stupid thingwhen you get out of surgery, you
got to blow in and the littleball flows.

Speaker 5 (01:24:01):
We bring Jen's every time that she has a surgery
Because they don't get chargedfor one.

Speaker 4 (01:24:05):
Because that thing's like 220 bucks.
We're like, no, we brought ourown, we make sure we tell them
when they come in with it fromrespiratory therapy or wherever
the hell it is.
We're like, nope, we alreadygot our own.
So we check those itemizedbills and the stuff that they
charge you like $150 for a bagof saline that's literally a
dollar in Canada.
It's just salt water, right, or$1.50 or $2 or whatever it is

(01:24:27):
they're charging like $150 forthat, and that's the thing.

Speaker 5 (01:24:31):
It's insane, and a lot of times they'll keep you
after noon.

Speaker 4 (01:24:35):
Yes, they can bill you for the next day.

Speaker 5 (01:24:37):
They can charge you for the whole day.
If it's a one, one minute past,then they can charge you for
the whole day.

Speaker 4 (01:24:42):
Yep, that's how long that was.
That's why they discharge youbetween 2 and 4 o'clock.

Speaker 3 (01:24:46):
Yeah, mm-hmm, yep, and that's why for health care,
it's a business.

Speaker 4 (01:24:50):
They don't have to feed you no more, but they can
write you up for the.

Speaker 5 (01:24:55):
It's not health care, because if it teach you to be
healthy, Preventive medicinewould be the point it is a
business, the way it's set up isto make people sick.

Speaker 6 (01:25:06):
I would love this part of it.

Speaker 5 (01:25:08):
They make people sick on purpose so they can make
more money off it.

Speaker 4 (01:25:10):
I don't think they make people sick on purpose.
They don't teach you how to behealthy.

Speaker 5 (01:25:14):
Then why did they start changing the food from 30
years ago to what it is now?
What?

Speaker 6 (01:25:20):
Bill is talking about when he's saying they make
people sick on purpose.
It's the system.
Yeah, for sure it wants to keeppeople sick.

Speaker 4 (01:25:31):
The FDA is a sham.
Now they're pulling all thecold medicines off the shelf
because they've said for thelast 30 years they don't
actually work, but they want yougoing into the pharmacy to buy
the shit.
None of the active ingredientsdo a damn thing.
And here's the thing thatreally your regular antibodies
in your, in your body, that thatkill it right, yes, everybody.

Speaker 3 (01:25:51):
But everybody talks about how everybody who uses
like essential oils and stuffare just crackpots.
Yeah, but what's the firstthing that doctors ask you
before they prescribe you amedication?

Speaker 1 (01:26:00):
Are you taking any?

Speaker 3 (01:26:01):
natural medicines or anything like that.
Why?
Because they work.
Maybe not to a scientific level, and all that, but you know
what I'm saying.

Speaker 6 (01:26:12):
They have an effect nonetheless.
I can tell you why Because ifyou're taking this particular
supplement, whatever there'sinteraction, it depends on what
they give you, there could be aninteraction that fucking kills
you.

Speaker 3 (01:26:26):
That too.
I didn't want to get to thatlevel because I didn't think you
guys were smart enough.

Speaker 4 (01:26:35):
Band of the parking lot.
You can text in them damn babyguys.

Speaker 5 (01:26:41):
What the hell.

Speaker 3 (01:26:42):
I'm just saying I got a bachelor's degree In health
administration.
Motherfuckers.

Speaker 2 (01:26:45):
Yeah, you should know this I do, like I said, I
didn't think you guys Were smartenough.

Speaker 5 (01:26:49):
But, you know, Whatever, your wife's a doctor.

Speaker 4 (01:26:51):
I don't know what kind of doctor.
Yeah, she's straight up MD.

Speaker 5 (01:26:54):
How many, how many Classes did she take On health,
like dietary health?

Speaker 6 (01:27:03):
Man, I should get her on the fucking phone.

Speaker 3 (01:27:05):
I don't know, probably, but here's the thing
she went to school in Poland, soit's probably going to be a
better medical school.

Speaker 5 (01:27:15):
Way probably better, because most doctors have very,
very little in dietary health.
You know what?

Speaker 6 (01:27:24):
I agree with you 100% .
I don't know and I'm sure mywife would agree with you too
about people's diet, theirexercise.
That's the best fucking message.

Speaker 5 (01:27:34):
When you go to a doctor, does the doctor ever ask
you?
What is your daily diet?
What do you typically?

Speaker 4 (01:27:40):
eat.
No, they never ask why, whywhat you eat typically eat, they
never why why.

Speaker 5 (01:27:42):
What you eat is what you are, so that should be the
first damn thing.

Speaker 6 (01:27:46):
What do you eat, Bill ?
I'm curious because I feel likeyou can eat whatever the fuck
you want.

Speaker 4 (01:27:51):
How skinny is this guy?
I just read an article where ittalks about cereal.

Speaker 5 (01:27:56):
Oh, it's terrible for you.

Speaker 4 (01:27:57):
In the US we have like 48 ingredients and you go
to the Europe version and it'slike eight.

Speaker 7 (01:28:04):
That's why the majority of our foods are banned
in the European countryMountain Dew.

Speaker 3 (01:28:12):
So when I was on my deployment I got used to the
overseas Arabic Mountain Dew andit had no high fructose corn
syrup in it.

Speaker 1 (01:28:19):
It was basically we called it Mountain Dew and it
had no high fructose corn syrupin it.

Speaker 3 (01:28:21):
It was basically we called it Mountain Dew Throwback
.
It had pure cane sugar in itand it was a little different.
It didn't have the dyes.
It looked different when I cameback stateside again and I had
my first Mountain Dew out of agas station and I spit it out
and threw it away and I couldn'tdo it.
It took me weeks to be able todrink our Mountain Dew and it
took me weeks to be able todrink our Mountain Dew and you

(01:28:42):
were like.

Speaker 6 (01:28:43):
I'm going to.

Speaker 4 (01:28:43):
So, I understand what he says.
Right, Like our food is whatmakes us sick.
Yeah, Because we allow.
The FDA allows so much.

Speaker 3 (01:28:50):
All these dyes.

Speaker 7 (01:28:51):
That's what I'm talking about.

Speaker 5 (01:28:52):
It becomes such a processed ingredient, because
look at pictures of people from1970.
Right, and look at people frompictures now.

Speaker 8 (01:29:01):
Oh, we're an obese nation.
Well they're lazy.
Now too, they almost get offtheir ass.
Well, it's not so much thelaziness as much as.

Speaker 2 (01:29:08):
Let's go for a run, I bet you, I'll beat you.

Speaker 5 (01:29:11):
Does that say what they were made out of years ago,
like in 1970?
I'll drive three miles.
What was it made out of?

Speaker 4 (01:29:24):
Imp Improvise Over debt.
That's what we do Now.
So let's get back to theelection.
Let's get back to what you said.

Speaker 6 (01:29:30):
Hold on, I'm about to give the Trump, the Trump
administration, some kudos.

Speaker 5 (01:29:37):
Some kudos.

Speaker 4 (01:29:38):
Let me write this down in my diary.
You don't need to.
It's live so.

Speaker 6 (01:29:44):
As much as I don't like um robert kennedy, rfk,
whatever, yeah his family don'tlike me, and they're gonna.
He's gonna put this guy incharge of the cdc and all that.
But there's some truth intowhat he's speaking, right about
the fucking poison that they'repushing in this country.
So if he can get that out ofour food system, that alone

(01:30:09):
would help tremendously.

Speaker 5 (01:30:09):
It would be amazing.

Speaker 4 (01:30:11):
And this is where I'd love to hear your wife's take
on it, right yeah, as a medicalprofessional, trained Exactly
Right and actually hear whatmaybe her thoughts are.
And I get that this is probablynot in her wheelhouse.
I don't know what her specialtyis or what she went through.

Speaker 6 (01:30:26):
Family practice.
Right, she will speak on this.
Is she family practice?
She is family medicine, oh yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:30:31):
So then this might be in her wheelhouse, because that
probably is.
You know, she's not a surgeonor whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:30:35):
We're just specializing in something.

Speaker 3 (01:30:41):
She's more, more general medicine, which would be
great to hear what her thoughtsare.
I absolutely agree with RFK Jrwe need to get some of this.
We got to get some of this fakestuff out of our.
I think the other part of itwas just simple economics.

Speaker 7 (01:30:57):
It's cheaper to do manufactured fake crap that they
can make in a lab right and addit to our food, but that goes
to the corporate machine likeexactly more money it's all
connected.

Speaker 4 (01:31:09):
Now I saw here's the thing.
This goes to the American wayof everything.
You walk into Walmart andyou're looking at TVs and
there's a 60 inch TV there and a60 inch TV there.
You really can't tell thedifference in it.
Are you buying the one for $899or the one for $699?
You're too fucking cheap.
Right, you're going to buy the$699, even though it's in Sparra

(01:31:32):
, rather than getting theSamsung you're like who the
hell's in Sparra?

Speaker 5 (01:31:36):
well, whatever, you don't give a shit because it's
$699 the only difference in that, though, is a lot of times.
For me personally is, let's say, I'm looking at the two TVs.
Not that you're going to buy,probably, an American TV, but if
that $899 was made in Americaand the $699, I may pony up the

(01:31:59):
extra money because I know it'scoming back to us.
Can I also?

Speaker 3 (01:32:02):
throw something out there, I try.
You want to talk about astorefront that would be really
successful, building the entirestorefront and everything in it.
It doesn't matter what it is,you're a standard mire.
But change the model to whereeverything in that store, from

(01:32:23):
wall to wall, is made in America.
You want to know how fast thatwould make you a billionaire,
guaranteed the problem is.

Speaker 5 (01:32:30):
It's getting harder and harder.

Speaker 4 (01:32:32):
Yeah, the problem is you'd have about four items
inside the store.

Speaker 1 (01:32:37):
Nothing's made in.

Speaker 4 (01:32:37):
America anymore, and your prices would be
astronomical.
I can't even buy a GM productToyota is more made in the
United States out of all thematerials in it than Florida
Talking about foreign economicpolicy though Trump?

Speaker 3 (01:32:58):
was talking about this during some speech at some
point and he was saying ifyou're going to import something
from another country that wehave the ability to make here
and I think the example he usedwas a car he's going to put 100%
tariff on it John Deere.

Speaker 7 (01:33:17):
What was it, John Deere?
The main target for that wasJohn Deere.
Oh, okay.

Speaker 6 (01:33:20):
What about the components, john?

Speaker 8 (01:33:21):
Deere.
The main target for that wasJohn Deere.
Oh, okay, okay, but there's a.

Speaker 6 (01:33:22):
Mexican thing going on.
What about the components inthat car?

Speaker 4 (01:33:25):
Yeah, that's fine, it's assembled here, but it's
not made.
It might be assembled here,yeah exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:33:30):
Most Toyotas are assembled here but not made here
, and that's fine.
I'm not saying that everythinglike the steel and everything
down needs to be.

Speaker 6 (01:33:37):
But the thing is, a Toyota is more American-made
than a Ford or a Chevy or a GMor a.

Speaker 3 (01:33:43):
Cadillac, and that's the point.
Ford is born and raised here.
Gm is born and raised here.
It should be here.

Speaker 7 (01:33:54):
Well, that's my thing , you get the greed and the
bottom dollar.
It's cheaper to send itelsewhere.

Speaker 6 (01:33:59):
And I only drive.

Speaker 3 (01:34:01):
I think that's what he elsewhere, and I only drive
American cars Same here and I dothat, for a reason, it's not
purpose.
And I think that's what Trumpwas saying.
We were just talking about itwith NASA.
We've got all these empty Fordfactories and at this point they
probably need to be updated orwhatever.
But you know, open those thingsback up.

Speaker 5 (01:34:21):
A lot of that started after World War II when we
bombed Japan, because we rebuiltJapan and we gave them the best
of the best of the best and wekept our old stuff.
And then they took theirtechnology with what we helped
them to do and used theirculture.
Because if you read the bookToyota Way, they have a

(01:34:45):
different system and there's amovie on that that came out in
the 80's that talked about thisvery thing there was a series
movie on Netflix but this is amovie that they talked about and
they came in and they showedhow the Toyota built their cars
and this assembly plant and theystarted building their cars

(01:35:06):
that way and Ford and GM andChrysler and all these other
companies started using Toyota'smodel and Toyota's way.
That's why Toyota went to thenumber one car company, because
they used better systems andbetter ways, because they used
better systems in better ways.
And now we use thoseimplementations in those ways

(01:35:27):
where we kind of got high on ourmorals and whatever, because we
had the best of the best untilwe got our asses kicked.

Speaker 3 (01:35:33):
And I'm not saying that we've got to be the grand
poobah of everything in theworld.
Yes, we do.
We're fucking American, I agree.
I agree.
Poobah of everything in theworld?
Yes, we do, we're fuckingAmericans.

Speaker 6 (01:35:41):
I agree, that's the fucking shit that pisses me off
about, and I'm talking aboutDemocrats, republicans, all of
them.
We should be doing everything,so you agree with the slogan?

Speaker 4 (01:35:54):
Make America Great Again.
No.
You just said it, you justliterally said we need to be the
best at everything.

Speaker 5 (01:36:00):
Best at everything.

Speaker 6 (01:36:02):
That's why we're making America great again.
When was America great Tuesday?

Speaker 4 (01:36:08):
Motherfucking Tuesday night.
Actually it was Wednesdaymorning about 2 o'clock when
they called Wisconsin.

Speaker 6 (01:36:14):
Donald Trump said America's a shithole, it's a
fucking third world country.

Speaker 4 (01:36:20):
What he said is they're sending their trash to
us like we're fucking thirdworld country.
That's what he said.
No, no, no.
What he said is they're sendingtheir trash to us like we're a
third world country.
That's not good semantics.

Speaker 5 (01:36:27):
See once again you're taking something completely out
of context and twisting it.

Speaker 4 (01:36:31):
The world is treating us like a third world country.

Speaker 6 (01:36:33):
That's the whole fake news mantra right there, you
just did a perfect example.

Speaker 4 (01:36:38):
No, we're all not trash he said the world is
sending their trash to us.
Like we're a terrible country.

Speaker 6 (01:36:45):
Yes, Do we got any video of Trump calling up the?

Speaker 4 (01:36:48):
Yes, and then you get Joe Biden on there saying that
we're garbage.

Speaker 6 (01:36:53):
He said Trump supporters are garbage.
Yeah, he did Exactly Once again, stereotyping every person.
Here's the thing and what Ithink Joe Biden meant.

Speaker 4 (01:37:04):
No, it doesn't matter what he meant, it's what he
said.

Speaker 6 (01:37:07):
He's a fucking feeble old man.
What do you mean?

Speaker 8 (01:37:11):
The quote that they have in here is we're like a
garbage can for the rest of theworld to dump the people that
they don't want.
To dump the people that theydon't want.

Speaker 4 (01:37:17):
Right.
The world is treating, sothey're treating us Right.
The world is the world istreating us like they're dumping
ground.
That's the problem.
They're dumping all their trashin.
America, and that's why we needto, not let's not get facts in
the way of a good story.

Speaker 7 (01:37:36):
So I got a question.

Speaker 6 (01:37:37):
Yes, yep.

Speaker 7 (01:37:39):
He's touching your shoulder.
As the news is progressing,it's coming out more that the
Democrats' new move now is toget Biden to resign so Kamala
can step up and still become thefirst black woman president,
but she's not black.
She's not black.

Speaker 6 (01:38:00):
What the fuck is she?
Neither here nor there.

Speaker 5 (01:38:02):
She's Indian.

Speaker 4 (01:38:04):
What do you think of that?
Depends on what the polls saynext week.

Speaker 6 (01:38:06):
We'll find out.
She went to Howard University.
She's in the fucking state.
Wasn't her dad Indian?
Her dad was black.

Speaker 2 (01:38:16):
Her mother was.

Speaker 6 (01:38:17):
Indian.

Speaker 4 (01:38:17):
Look up.

Speaker 7 (01:38:17):
Elizabeth Warren, but what do you think of that?
She called herself a NativeAmerican.
Yeah, she was.

Speaker 5 (01:38:24):
You probably have more Native Indian in your
ancestry than she does Wait holdup.

Speaker 3 (01:38:29):
We're having five different things and I can hear
everything at the same time.

Speaker 6 (01:38:33):
I know we're going to slow down.
Roy is asking a question.

Speaker 7 (01:38:35):
So right now it's being pushed news media.

Speaker 6 (01:38:39):
I think, that's bullshit.

Speaker 5 (01:38:40):
You think bullshit's bullshit no so I even heard that
this morning there is a, thereis a one of her staff or a
senator or someone thatsuggested it.
So it has been suggested bynobody.

Speaker 7 (01:38:57):
I've seen that a lot of top Democrats are pushing for
it by nobody.

Speaker 3 (01:39:00):
So okay.
So let's go to the next thing,because this is a real deal
thing and it just hit onFacebook.
Have you guys heard?

Speaker 6 (01:39:10):
and I want to get your, because everything on.

Speaker 5 (01:39:14):
Facebook is true.
No, seriously.
Everything on the internet istrue?

Speaker 3 (01:39:16):
No, no, no seriously, it really is just coming down.
So they are saying that thehave you heard of the national
how do they call it?
The National Popular VoteInterstate Compact?
Have you heard about that?

Speaker 5 (01:39:32):
yet?
Yeah, I've heard of that.
Okay, national, what?

Speaker 3 (01:39:35):
National.
It's like I don't know whatit's called Interstate Compact
for the National Popular Vote orsome shit like that.
So, anyway, google it.
It basically says they're goingto hijack the Electoral College
by getting a number of stateswith their electoral votes that
add up to the 270.
They're going to all cometogether and agree that the

(01:39:55):
National Popular Vote is howthose states are going to
allocate their electoral votes,and so it's basically.
So, basically, you're going toallocate their electoral votes.

Speaker 4 (01:40:04):
And so it's basically .
So, basically, you're going totake the surplus from California
and give it to Iowa to gettheir electoral college votes.

Speaker 3 (01:40:12):
No.
So whatever the nationalpopular vote ends up being, this
interstate compact and whateverstates agree to it, are going
to allot all of their votes towhoever wins the national
popular vote.
Okay, they're going to try andstack.

Speaker 6 (01:40:27):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (01:40:30):
Listen, listen.
In this lame duck session itwas pull up Facebook.
I saw it on MCRGO.
I think it was MCRGO, I thinkit was, and it was.
In this lame duck session.
Before the Republicans takeover in the Michigan legislature
, they're going to push throughthe bill to authorize Michigan

(01:40:51):
to join this interstate compact.

Speaker 4 (01:40:54):
That'll straight go to the Supreme Court and get
shot down.

Speaker 3 (01:40:57):
But they're saying it won't because the Electoral
College is still going to allotthose votes.
So it's in compliance with the.

Speaker 5 (01:41:07):
I literally just Okay , let's say that happens.
So it kind of goes back to thewhole gerrymandering situation.
Bingo.

Speaker 6 (01:41:14):
Let's say that happens.
Who would be president rightnow?
Trump.

Speaker 4 (01:41:18):
Trump would still be president Because he still has
time to vote.

Speaker 3 (01:41:21):
Trump trounced, I don't care about who he fucking
killed.
He did.

Speaker 6 (01:41:26):
By 7 million, and I don't care who it is, it's not 7
million.

Speaker 3 (01:41:30):
His popular vote was 7 million in favor of.

Speaker 4 (01:41:32):
Trump.
There's still counting votesbro.

Speaker 3 (01:41:34):
Well, I know.
So it might be more.
Whatever, it's less, it's wayless.

Speaker 4 (01:41:37):
I bet you he's about 2 million ahead of her.

Speaker 3 (01:41:42):
I heard he was 7.

Speaker 5 (01:41:43):
The last I think I looked was 4 million here you go
.

Speaker 4 (01:41:47):
This is the updated right now.
Kamala Harris has 72.1 millionvotes.
Trump has 75.3.

Speaker 3 (01:41:55):
Oh, so I don't know where I got the 7.

Speaker 4 (01:41:57):
It's like almost 3 million.

Speaker 2 (01:42:01):
Yeah, he's only beaten her by a few million
Because California, nevada.

Speaker 4 (01:42:04):
A bunch of others are still coming in.
They're not going to haveenough to take those
scholarships.
But at this point in time noneof that matters.

Speaker 5 (01:42:12):
It's a moot point, because she conceded and he's
already won with the ElectoralCollege.

Speaker 3 (01:42:17):
So the point that I'm trying to make left or right
Harris Trump Biden it doesn'tmatter the point I'm trying to
make is our founding fatherscame up with the system of the
electoral college for a reasonthey wanted to make sure that
the most populous states werenot going to overrun everybody

(01:42:38):
else.
They always called it thetyranny of the majority.
So if you look at I believeit's the top 12 most populous
cities would be enough to whichwe actually had this
conversation earlier New YorkState, California or even New
York, and LA and there's acouple handfuls of others, huge

(01:43:02):
cities.

Speaker 4 (01:43:03):
That's all that needs to vote every year.

Speaker 3 (01:43:04):
Can I borrow your phone for a second?

Speaker 4 (01:43:06):
That's all that needs to vote every year Other than
that just don't go in my browserhistory.

Speaker 2 (01:43:13):
Perfect example.

Speaker 8 (01:43:14):
Perfect example Maybe I do want to go there, you're
more than welcome to Look at howlarge Michigan is as a state
and Detroit runs this wholestate.

Speaker 5 (01:43:24):
Yeah, basically, Because of the majority of the
votes are in.

Speaker 4 (01:43:28):
I would actually like to see each state have their
own electoral college.

Speaker 1 (01:43:32):
In its own, Because yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:43:34):
I mean and Detroit could be 50, right, but each
other county should be accountedfor because we're all supposed
to be one.
So now you have this minoritythat has the majority, telling
us what to do.

Speaker 5 (01:43:51):
And your vote doesn't count now because you're in
Gratiot County, because if youlook at the red versus blue on
the whole scale of the state andit's just tiny little dots of
blue and everything else is red,but it goes by concentrated
areas.

Speaker 6 (01:44:08):
For sure.
Well, you're looking atlandmass versus.

Speaker 5 (01:44:13):
Yes, that's what.

Speaker 2 (01:44:13):
I'm saying Landmass versus.

Speaker 4 (01:44:15):
But you're also doing that when you do the electoral
college throughout the country.
Iowa still counts for something, so let's use the country.
Iowa still counts for something.
Michigan still counts forsomething.
Massachusetts counts forsomething.
So you're saying take thenational electoral college and
implement it in each state.
Exactly Right so then thatstate votes right in People that

(01:44:36):
live in the UP, they still geta say.
Right now they don't really geta say Because no offense people
in Detroit a say Unless they'rein Marquette.
Right now they don't really geta say Unless they're in
Marquette, because no offensepeople in.

Speaker 3 (01:44:46):
Detroit.
Don't know what people up inTraverse City do, so let's use
an example, okay.
So I mean gun control is alwaysa huge thing In the most bluer
cities you open.

Speaker 5 (01:44:54):
Wait a minute.
I want to understand something.
Is gun control where you holdthe gun with two hands, or just?

Speaker 3 (01:45:00):
You hold it sideways, gun control sideways.

Speaker 4 (01:45:04):
Sideways it's called a gap.

Speaker 3 (01:45:06):
Okay, fair enough.
But in the bluer, more populouscities, typically gun control
is the name of the game.
So in this hypotheticalscenario, all right, the 12 most
populous cities are probablygoing to put down a rule on gun
control that's going to applynationwide and in the most
reddest like look at Oklahoma,if you look at the for this past

(01:45:30):
Tuesday, if you look atOklahoma every single one of
their counties voted red.
Every single one, not a singleone voted blue and so then, the
gun control laws.

Speaker 5 (01:45:39):
Let's see if you're right.
I got Oklahoma right there.
Man, I tell you what damn.
Look at that look at that,every single one, you know so
that's my example, that littledot these gun control laws are
going to apply to an entirelyred state.
No, that's not here.
No, that's just a.
If you look at here, look at,let's go minnesota.

Speaker 4 (01:45:56):
Well, look at how much red is new mexico, or
whatever my, my, my whole thingis, but look at how much red is
in there.
That's New Mexico, or whatever.

Speaker 5 (01:46:02):
My whole thing is, but look at how much red is in
there.

Speaker 3 (01:46:04):
One thing real quick, just to get it on the recording
.
Michigan House Bill 4156 is theone I was talking about, about
the interstate compact for thenational popular vote, so you
can.

Speaker 1 (01:46:15):
Google that House.

Speaker 3 (01:46:16):
Bill 4156.
Holy shit.

Speaker 4 (01:46:21):
But the electoral college is set in the
Constitution.
Yeah, so what you can do is bemore restrictive or you can be
more restrictive, you can't beless restrictive.
So, if it says that this is theway the votes go, you can't
change that, but that's thething.

Speaker 3 (01:46:37):
So what they're?

Speaker 1 (01:46:38):
saying is with this interstate compact.

Speaker 3 (01:46:42):
The Constitution stipulates that each state can
choose on its own free will todetermine how it does its, but
the electors are made up of theparty that won.

Speaker 4 (01:46:55):
So each state comes up with electors for those 19
votes for Michigan.
They're not made up of allDemocrats.
They're not made up, they'reRepublican electors Typically
vote down there.

Speaker 3 (01:47:10):
In this case, of the most recent.

Speaker 4 (01:47:13):
It doesn't really matter.

Speaker 3 (01:47:16):
I guess the point I'm trying to make and maybe I'm
thinking about it wrong.
I don't know.
Typically Detroit, except forthis past week.
Detroit always votes blue andit's the most populous in the
state, so it usually goes thatway.

Speaker 6 (01:47:33):
Look at the current population of Detroit.
It's not that much Detroitproper.
I don't mean Detroit proper, Imean the counties I'm talking.

Speaker 3 (01:47:42):
Macomb, washtenaw Wayne.

Speaker 6 (01:47:47):
I'm talking about them in general 639,000.
You know Detroit used to have.

Speaker 3 (01:47:52):
Do the population of Detroit Do you?

Speaker 5 (01:47:54):
know, during World War II era, the two richest
cities in America was Detroitand Los Angeles.

Speaker 8 (01:48:05):
Detroit was.

Speaker 3 (01:48:07):
There you go, so Metro Detroit's got 3.7 million
people, so they will carry it.

Speaker 4 (01:48:13):
We just got fact-checked from Reuters.
Uh-oh, reuters.
Yep, kamala Harris' birthcertificate is not of Asian
American or black Jamaicanheritage.
That's what I said she's notblack, let me see what is it?
That's the snippet from Reuters.

Speaker 5 (01:48:33):
I thought her dad was she's not Asian or black.
I thought her dad was fromIndia well, he was from Jamaica,
but that doesn't mean he'sJamaican.

Speaker 6 (01:48:43):
Okay, his race is Almost 4 million.
This is race as.

Speaker 4 (01:48:46):
Jamaican.
What are Jamaican people?
What's it say, not blackJamaican.

Speaker 6 (01:48:50):
I was going to say no , it doesn't say that, don't
make sense.
Her father's birthplace islisted as Jamaican and his race
as Jamaican.
Jamaican Does not include whenare you looking at that?
Oh, at the top, the very top.

Speaker 4 (01:49:09):
I was just reading the.
The presidential candidate isnot right here.
The presidential candidate isnot of Asian American or black
Jamaican.
What is this?
That's Reuters it.
That's from Reuters.
It's a screenshot from Reuters.

Speaker 6 (01:49:25):
Harris, however, has both black Jamaican and Indian.
But it says Harris, however hasboth black, jamaican.
But who the?

Speaker 4 (01:49:33):
fuck cares we were just talking about.
We're not racist or misogynist.
It's not about a femalecandidate.
What did you see her as?
What does most of America seeher as?
Or misogynist.
It's not about a femalecandidate.
It's not about?

Speaker 6 (01:49:41):
what did you see her and what does most of?

Speaker 4 (01:49:43):
America.
See her as ours, an American.

Speaker 5 (01:49:46):
What American?

Speaker 4 (01:49:47):
a fucking American.
I don't give a fuck what coloryour skin.

Speaker 6 (01:49:53):
Leave.
I believe you when you say thatfirst.

Speaker 4 (01:49:56):
I believe I don't I don't, I don't give a shit if
you're brown, yellow, fuckinggreen.

Speaker 3 (01:50:00):
Let me, let me show you the fuck.
I've never seen a yellow,because I hate to say I don't
walk a shit if you're brown,yellow, fucking green, black,
whatever the fuck.
I've never seen a yellow man,because I hate to say it, I
don't walk around saying I'm.

Speaker 7 (01:50:05):
Irish American.

Speaker 4 (01:50:07):
I hate the term African American.
Be honest with you I straightup hate it.

Speaker 6 (01:50:11):
I don't really, I hate it.

Speaker 2 (01:50:13):
You're not African American.
You weren't born in Africa andthen became an American.

Speaker 4 (01:50:18):
Your mom or your dad or your probably grandfather or
grandmother probably weren't.
You're going back so manygenerations.

Speaker 6 (01:50:24):
I can go back to the 1700s on my black side in
America.

Speaker 3 (01:50:29):
They were slaves On your black side.
You are racially ambiguous.

Speaker 6 (01:50:34):
My Italian side.
They came in the 1920s.

Speaker 5 (01:50:39):
What color is Italian ?

Speaker 6 (01:50:41):
They're racially ambiguous.

Speaker 3 (01:50:44):
What podcast episode did we get after him for being
racially ambiguous?
I said that.

Speaker 2 (01:50:49):
That's when he came in looking like the Taliban.

Speaker 4 (01:50:51):
That one time Like a goddamn haji, walking through
the door, you're all likedrawing down on him.

Speaker 5 (01:51:02):
What the heck Diary of Anne Frank.
So what?
What is this proving?

Speaker 2 (01:51:15):
This was in.

Speaker 7 (01:51:21):
So what?
What is this?
So this was in Nazi flagoutside the American.

Speaker 3 (01:51:23):
Legion where the play was being performed.
So what?
Individuals using masks to hidetheir racist family-waving Nazi
flags but also reportedlyshouting racist slurs, according
to some government statementsthat vacated the premises of the
.
Legion.
So what's the point?
They're exercising the right toprotest.

Speaker 6 (01:51:37):
Okay, yes, they're shit stains, but I believe that
Donald Trump's the election ofDonald Trump has emboldened
people like this to do shit likethat, so what he's not
associated with them, and viceversa.

Speaker 5 (01:51:56):
Hold on, hold on.
What was that?
So there's.

Speaker 3 (01:52:02):
At an American Legion .
I did hear about this.
At an American Legion, therewas a play.

Speaker 6 (01:52:08):
The Dire of Anne Frank.

Speaker 3 (01:52:09):
Livingston County, Michigan, and the Dire of Anne
Frank as you know, was about theHolocaust, so outside of this,
a group started waving Naziflags and stuff.

Speaker 5 (01:52:20):
So they're pathetic pieces of shit individuals.

Speaker 6 (01:52:25):
Who do you think they voted for?

Speaker 3 (01:52:28):
Does it matter so?

Speaker 5 (01:52:32):
once again yes, it does matter.
Who do you?

Speaker 6 (01:52:34):
think they voted for.
I don't care who they voted for.
It matters to me in 72.
, how many people voted forKamala Harris?

Speaker 5 (01:52:41):
72 million other Americans, 72 million versus 72
million.
You want a?

Speaker 6 (01:52:45):
utopia where everybody's nice to each other,
so you're taking one smallsnippet of five people out of 72
million.
Hold on, hold on, let's do oneat a time, because we've got to
get this on.
So, anyways, bill go ahead.

Speaker 5 (01:53:02):
You're taking two or three people out of 72 million.

Speaker 6 (01:53:07):
Uh-huh, no, no, no, the 72 million was that vote for
Kyle O'Neal.

Speaker 3 (01:53:11):
He's saying the vote emboldened those people to
decide to do what they wanted todo.

Speaker 6 (01:53:17):
There's also.
Hold on, you know who NickFuentes is.
Yeah, he's Virginia.
Hold on, you know who?

Speaker 3 (01:53:22):
Nick Fuentes is yeah, he's Virginia, right.

Speaker 6 (01:53:25):
I don't think so.
I think that's a different guy,richard, something or another.

Speaker 5 (01:53:30):
I'm just trying to understand where your thought
process is coming from.

Speaker 3 (01:53:33):
I'm pretty sure he's from.

Speaker 6 (01:53:34):
Virginia.
So who do you think thosepeople voted for?
Kamala Harris?
Do you think they voted forKamala Harris?

Speaker 5 (01:53:40):
I don't know what the context of what this is all
about.

Speaker 6 (01:53:44):
I'm going to get to that.
I will get to that.

Speaker 5 (01:53:46):
I'm seeing swastikas which predates, which people
don't realize.

Speaker 3 (01:53:52):
Predates the Nazis by thousands of years.

Speaker 5 (01:53:55):
Who is Nick Fuentes?
I'm going to tell you.

Speaker 6 (01:53:56):
I'm going to get to it One second.
I'm going to tell you I'm goingto get to it One second.

Speaker 3 (01:54:03):
So I'm trying to understand what American Ask him
if that's the guy, becausethat's his picture, right?
Is that the guy you're talkingabout?

Speaker 6 (01:54:09):
Yeah, that is Nick Fuentes.

Speaker 8 (01:54:11):
He's a far-right political pundit and
livestreamer who promotes whitesupremacist, misogynistic and
anti-Semitic views.

Speaker 3 (01:54:17):
Okay, do me a favor.
So here's the thing.
Okay, now hold on, hold, onhold on.

Speaker 9 (01:54:20):
Far right, far right and I've never heard of this guy
.
Okay, hold on, hold on.

Speaker 6 (01:54:24):
Hold on.
Who did Nick Fuentes havedinner with?
Type in Nick Fuentes dinner.

Speaker 5 (01:54:32):
Well, I guarantee it's going to be Trump.
That's all right, you'reproving your point for that.

Speaker 7 (01:54:37):
Okay, sure, but we can flip the switch.

Speaker 6 (01:54:40):
Would you have dinner with a white supremacist?
Would you, knowingly, knowingly, that this person is a fucking
white supremacist, would youhave dinner with him?

Speaker 8 (01:54:51):
If I think I can get valuable information out of him
to save some people, I bet yourass.
I would.

Speaker 5 (01:54:55):
Yeah, just like.

Speaker 6 (01:54:56):
I would want to fucking dumbass his island to
get some people to watch it.
What does it say?
Nick Fuentes dinner.

Speaker 7 (01:55:03):
Well, ye, ye, but we can flip the switch to the
extreme and Kanye West.

Speaker 6 (01:55:09):
Kanye West and Nick Fuentes both went and had dinner
with Donald.

Speaker 7 (01:55:14):
Trump, so what?

Speaker 6 (01:55:15):
about.

Speaker 5 (01:55:17):
Far right, why would?
Donald Trump the ex-presidentof the United.

Speaker 6 (01:55:22):
States.

Speaker 5 (01:55:23):
Can you look up something, joe, for me please?
Can you look up what is thepercentage of white supremacists
in America?

Speaker 7 (01:55:29):
But outside where I'm going, as you flip to the far
left, what about AMC?
And you see, you can go onTwitter and TikTok and all these
videos, especially since theelection, and these not happy
people.
But you got the LGTBQ extremeleft sitting there and they're

(01:55:52):
calling white men in Americadomestic terrorists and that
we're horrible, disgustingpeople.

Speaker 5 (01:55:59):
That's not okay, Well you're talking extreme polar
opposites.

Speaker 3 (01:56:06):
Right, it's on both sides.

Speaker 5 (01:56:07):
Way out of fringes.

Speaker 3 (01:56:08):
It's not the normal all-American people.
You're saying that Trump'svictory emboldened them to go
out and protest.

Speaker 6 (01:56:17):
Yes, I do think that.

Speaker 5 (01:56:20):
But the thing of it is it's not illegal to protest.
No, I know that that is 100%American and in our DNA.

Speaker 6 (01:56:31):
So you agreed with the Black Lives Matter protest.

Speaker 5 (01:56:36):
Did I agree with the Black Lives Matter protest?
You agreed with that.
No, I did not Fuck how, why,why would you not agree with
that?
No, I did not.
Oh, what the fuck, how why?

Speaker 6 (01:56:42):
Why would you not agree with that?
That was such an.

Speaker 3 (01:56:44):
American idea.
You want to know why I didn'tagree with that.
Please tell me.

Speaker 5 (01:56:48):
Because it was based on a false premise.
Okay, okay, you want to go.
All right, you want to go black.

Speaker 6 (01:56:56):
So a white cop puts his knee on a black man's neck,
chokes him to death.

Speaker 3 (01:57:00):
That dude deserves to go to prison.
How does?

Speaker 2 (01:57:03):
that have anything to do with.

Speaker 5 (01:57:04):
Black.

Speaker 3 (01:57:05):
Lives.

Speaker 4 (01:57:05):
Matter, that's what sparked the whole thing, I'm
walking back in here.

Speaker 5 (01:57:09):
So the person that started Black Lives Matter Look
them up.

Speaker 6 (01:57:14):
I love you.

Speaker 5 (01:57:14):
Oh yeah she's a piece of shit, oh, but she started it
.
She was the founder of theBlack Lives Matters protest.
So wait a minute, Now hold on.

Speaker 6 (01:57:24):
Listen, everybody's a fucking grifter nowadays.
Go to what?

Speaker 5 (01:57:28):
Candace Owens said about the Black Lives Matters
protest oh fuck her, listen.

Speaker 6 (01:57:34):
Okay, back to black people.
Wow, black people that voted.
She is black.
Listen back to Candace Owens isblack back to black people that
voted for Trump and supportTrump.

Speaker 4 (01:57:45):
Ok let's bring the tone down.

Speaker 6 (01:57:49):
Seems like we're getting a little excited about
it listen, I don't get angryabout this kind of shit.

Speaker 5 (01:57:58):
I'm not angry at all exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:58:00):
I just want to make sure I walked back in and I was
like holy shit it's like that'sgot a bar.
You said we're going back toblack, but we were just talking
about neo-nazis.

Speaker 5 (01:58:11):
I know, but we're going to get back to that
hopefully listen, you know whatI think we need to play ACDC
you're 7 minutes past yourcurfew, just so you know, I'm
good, I'm good, let him talk.

Speaker 6 (01:58:26):
So, if you look back, even during slavery times,
right?

Speaker 3 (01:58:31):
I wasn't around.
I'm not in.

Speaker 6 (01:58:33):
But the history is clear on this.
There were black people thatowned slaves.
I was going to say something.
I'm totally in agreement.
There were black people thatown slaves.
There were black people thatown slaves, right For sure.
There were black people thatalso.
Malcolm X talked about this.
He was like the house negroversus the field negro.
The house negro lived betterthan the man.

Speaker 5 (01:58:57):
Well there's differences of opinion in that
as well.

Speaker 3 (01:59:01):
We're talking about Sam Jackson here because exactly
the ones in the house.

Speaker 5 (01:59:09):
I just read something on this just the other day that
there's contradictions to thatthat say no, the house people
didn't, the house slaves didn'thave it better than those out in
the field.
So there's, so don't say thatthey absolutely did because the

(01:59:31):
women were raped.
The women were you know andthey could not get away at all,
but out in the field.

Speaker 1 (01:59:38):
I love you had a chance to get away.

Speaker 6 (01:59:41):
I don't look at this, all right so I'm saying.
What I'm saying is, throughouthistory there have been black
people that were what we callsellouts, sellouts, uncle Tom,
uncle Tom, there you go, yeah.
So Eminem said it did he, yeah,he did Watch 8 Mile.

(02:00:01):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
So anyways, who's M&M?
It's Thomas.
And even today, even today, wehave Uncle Tom's and Sellouts
Candace Owens being one of them.
Well, let's get back have youlistened to me.

Speaker 7 (02:00:21):
Have you really listened to her?
I?

Speaker 6 (02:00:22):
have.
I have Like a lot, a lot.

Speaker 7 (02:00:25):
And again, do you think?

Speaker 5 (02:00:26):
though she says a lot more than just that.
She's a sellout because she'sbig time in favor of changing
the mindset.

Speaker 6 (02:00:34):
The culture, just the culture, no but.

Speaker 5 (02:00:36):
How things really are versus what is being taught and
told as to how they really are.

Speaker 7 (02:00:42):
She's probably right, this election far more than
race black, white, green, yellow, whatever had more to do with
the economy and the financialsituations involved.
It did For sure.
That's what drew crowds acrossthe line.

Speaker 3 (02:01:02):
So are you?
Hold on back up.
We've got a question.
How is she a sellout?
Is it because she's black andconservative?

Speaker 6 (02:01:10):
Yeah, pretty much.
I mean not black andconservative, because, listen, I
would vote conservative.

Speaker 5 (02:01:16):
I think she's done more for the black community
than a lot of others In myopinion.

Speaker 2 (02:01:22):
This is what I'm going to say.

Speaker 4 (02:01:24):
I follow her, I listen to her a lot, I respect
her opinions and I respect herthoughts.
She's extremely educated, veryknowledgeable in a lot of things
and what I think she does, andwe have it in the white race, we
have it in the brown race.
This applies to everything.
She holds everybody accountable.
The white race we have it, thebrown race.

Speaker 5 (02:01:42):
this applies to everything the human race.

Speaker 4 (02:01:43):
She holds everybody accountable, and one of the
reasons why she doesn't like thewelfare system is it
incentivizes single women withkids.
Yep, she says, which I agreewith.
When you get paid more in awelfare program or anything if
you're a single mother, right,it incentivizes women to have

(02:02:08):
kids out of wedlock, becauseit's that paycheck from the
government right Every time Ihave a kid.
It's another $800 a month.

Speaker 6 (02:02:18):
And if I have one or whatever, it's pretty
astronomical.

Speaker 4 (02:02:22):
So per kid you get paid.
So they consistently have kidsout of wedlock?
They do, and she'll even saythis is what's breaking up the
black families.

Speaker 5 (02:02:32):
So if you go back to 1970, one of the things she says
if you go back to 1970, theaverage black family was 80%
married.
You know what it is now.

Speaker 4 (02:02:45):
It's like 8% or 18% or something.
Yeah, it's crazy.
It's crazy low.

Speaker 5 (02:02:49):
And she's saying this is the lies that we've been
taught and being told as apeople, Because the welfare
system promotes being a singlemother rather than it is a
family unit.

Speaker 8 (02:03:03):
That's the thing.
You can't afford them.

Speaker 4 (02:03:05):
No, I mean.

Speaker 8 (02:03:06):
You can't figure out how to get up there and do the
job.

Speaker 4 (02:03:09):
So my recommendation to you is re-listen to what she
says and use it as a thing.
I've got 18 years of assistance.
Listen with an open mind.
I do.
I do, I do Every two or threeyears.

Speaker 3 (02:03:20):
Whoa, whoa, whoa, great conversations.
Children become pawn of thesystem At that point those
children are just a financialgame.

Speaker 7 (02:03:26):
You're not truly listening to what she's saying.
She's trying to fix a problemand help people and educate
people on how to fix thisproblem and how the government
has stepped in and screwed thepeople and are continuing to do
this.

Speaker 6 (02:03:42):
Bill is dropping some jewels, as we say.
He's dropping some knowledge, Imean.

Speaker 5 (02:03:51):
I don't agree with 100% of anything.

Speaker 4 (02:03:52):
anyone says it's like Trey, I don't believe nothing.

Speaker 5 (02:03:57):
he says she has a good voice, she knows how to
speak and articulates what she'strying to say in a manner that
you can't refute what she'ssaying because it's based on a
lot of knowledge and a lot ofstudies and a lot of facts that

(02:04:19):
she's learned you know, but thething about Candace Owens.

Speaker 6 (02:04:24):
Do you guys know who Benedict Arnold is?

Speaker 3 (02:04:27):
Of course.

Speaker 6 (02:04:28):
Traitor.
Nobody likes a Benedict ArnoldFuck that guy.
Nobody, wasn't he like ourfirst traitor too?
And I'm telling you this from ablack man's perspective, right,
and I know I'm telling you thisfrom a black man's perspective,
right, and I know I'm raciallyambiguous.
Did you hear that?

Speaker 4 (02:04:47):
I know I'm racially ambiguous.
You're black.
I'm surprised you didn't walkin with a turban on your head.

Speaker 3 (02:04:51):
Are you sure you're not Greek?
You look Greek to me, are younot from Greece?
So my mother's Italian.

Speaker 5 (02:04:57):
What color is Italian ?

Speaker 4 (02:04:59):
I actually love your mom, kind of off-white.

Speaker 2 (02:05:02):
Off.
What color is that?
I actually love your mom.
Kind of off-white, I actuallylove your mom, she's

Speaker 4 (02:05:04):
a great lady.
I like Teddy better.

Speaker 5 (02:05:07):
Don't tell her, I said that I'm just messing with
you.
She's a.

Speaker 6 (02:05:15):
Benedict Arnold.
Nobody likes a Benedict ArnoldCandace Owens is a Benedict
Arnold.

Speaker 2 (02:05:21):
Why Becauseens you?

Speaker 6 (02:05:21):
think is a Benedict.

Speaker 3 (02:05:22):
Arnold.

Speaker 5 (02:05:23):
Why?
Because?

Speaker 2 (02:05:24):
she's black and she doesn't agree with you.

Speaker 6 (02:05:27):
I disagree with that the thing is the problems in the
black community, the problemsin the black community.

Speaker 4 (02:05:38):
Olive, olive Natalie, that's great.

Speaker 6 (02:05:40):
The problems that plague the black community need
to be solved within the blackcommunity.
I agree with that.

Speaker 4 (02:05:49):
You have a place of your own.
Yes, exactly.

Speaker 5 (02:05:51):
But is she not trying to educate the people on how
things got to where they got to?
I agree with that.

Speaker 6 (02:06:01):
I feel like she's not speaking to black people.

Speaker 4 (02:06:04):
Oh, I think she is.

Speaker 6 (02:06:07):
I feel like she's speaking to you.

Speaker 4 (02:06:09):
I feel like she's speaking to you.
No, I understand.
I think she's speaking toeveryone.
Well, she is, we are all inthis, but she speaks like a
white woman.

Speaker 3 (02:06:19):
I see what you're saying on that.

Speaker 5 (02:06:20):
She speaks like an white woman Rather than speak
like I see what you're saying onthat she speaks so no, she
speaks like an educated person.

Speaker 4 (02:06:27):
So that makes me feel like shit, because that means
I'm saying that black peoplearen't educated.
That's not what I'm saying atall.

Speaker 2 (02:06:33):
No, I'm not meaning that.

Speaker 5 (02:06:34):
What I'm trying to say is, but I'm taking race and
gender out of it.

Speaker 4 (02:06:38):
No, and I even said 100%.
She's extremely educated, she'sextremely ineligible, is she
educated.
You will see her run for Senate, or Congress.

Speaker 5 (02:06:48):
Look up Candace Owens' education.
I don't know what it is, but Iknow she's well-read.

Speaker 6 (02:06:52):
No, she is Well, she could be.
Yeah, I don't even know.
I don't know what her educationis.

Speaker 5 (02:06:57):
I don't either, but I know she's well-read because
the way she articulates thingsthere's no way in hell she's not
well-read.

Speaker 6 (02:07:04):
She is well-read.

Speaker 5 (02:07:07):
Let's go with education for a second Rush
Limbaugh.
Don't hit me with the politicsof Rush Limbaugh, but he took
one class of formal education incollege and said screw this.
And dropped out.
But you cannot tell me ifyou've ever actually truly

(02:07:28):
listened to Rush Limbaugh thatyou could say that he's not
educated, but he has zero formaleducation.

Speaker 8 (02:07:35):
No, really.

Speaker 5 (02:07:36):
She dropped out of junior year, so Rush Limbaugh
went one semester of college andsaid, screw this, I'm out.

Speaker 6 (02:07:43):
And you cannot tell me that he was not intelligent
and educated Because he wasextremely well-read.

Speaker 5 (02:07:51):
Is that your niece?
Yeah, that's my niece.

Speaker 3 (02:07:53):
So your niece, House's niece, commented.
She said that she commandsrespect when she speaks and she
makes sure you answer thequestion that she's asking you.
Candace Owens, right.

Speaker 4 (02:08:04):
That's always a problem with any politician man.
They tiptoe.

Speaker 8 (02:08:07):
Yeah, people in general don't answer the fucking
question anymore.

Speaker 4 (02:08:12):
With Kamala, and I think this is really what hurt
her.

Speaker 5 (02:08:16):
What did you say her education was.
I'm sorry, Charlie.

Speaker 8 (02:08:19):
She dropped out after her junior year.

Speaker 4 (02:08:20):
she has an undergrad from Rhode Island University so
she has a bad definition.

Speaker 5 (02:08:24):
She did not finish.

Speaker 8 (02:08:25):
That's a bachelor, that is a bachelor's degree
another I said she has anundergrad nope, she dropped out
her junior year.

Speaker 4 (02:08:32):
Okay, I'm trying to read his computer from ways away
.
So she.

Speaker 5 (02:08:37):
So she did not attain a bachelor's degree, so she
technically has an associate'sdegree.

Speaker 6 (02:08:43):
Probably.

Speaker 5 (02:08:45):
Based on credit.

Speaker 4 (02:08:46):
But it doesn't say she has.

Speaker 5 (02:08:46):
Junior year would be, you know, associates based on
credit.

Speaker 3 (02:08:50):
So the challenge laid down on the table for you, trey
is to this is from Tab so it'sto take the person away from it
and only listen to the ideas andthen tell you or tell them that
you wouldn't agree.

Speaker 8 (02:09:05):
So this goes back to the first televised debate which
was against Nixon and Kennedy.

Speaker 5 (02:09:14):
And if you listen to that debate on the radio, nixon
killed Kennedy in that debate.
If you watched it on television, kennedy won.
So what she's saying or is itTab?
It's Tab.
She's saying take the visualout and just listen to the words
, and that happens all the time.

Speaker 3 (02:09:35):
Right now, it's a big thing on YouTube that all these
pundits are going to collegecampuses which are notoriously
liberal and they're Kirk andeverybody, but some other ones
too, and they put outconservative thoughts and ideas
and the students are like ohyeah, yeah.
Until they're like oh yeah, bythe way, trump said that oh,
you're kidding.
No, I don't like that.

(02:09:55):
They stick them with the gotcha.
So, and maybe I don't agreewith that, but that's the point.

Speaker 5 (02:10:01):
No, but that takes the person.
No, but that takes the personout of it.

Speaker 1 (02:10:04):
And puts the policy into it.

Speaker 5 (02:10:06):
So we had a meeting, a while back and one of the
things that was said in themeeting for the writers group.
Right, there was some conflicts, that was going on.
I said, no, no, wait a minute,stop.
You cannot put the person in.
It has to be the policy.
You can't go by person, youhave to go by policy.

Speaker 4 (02:10:24):
And because you said that that's why we kicked you
out, that's why, I'm out.

Speaker 6 (02:10:29):
You didn't kick him out, exactly right.
Sorry, I had to do it somewhere.

Speaker 3 (02:10:34):
I was getting too serious.
It's perfect to think about.

Speaker 5 (02:10:38):
It's just you've got to look at both sides.
I do, I look at both sides.

Speaker 4 (02:10:41):
I'm always a devil's advocate man.
People hate that shit.

Speaker 6 (02:10:45):
So what Tabitha's saying right?

Speaker 3 (02:10:47):
We already established what she's saying.

Speaker 6 (02:10:50):
The problem is, and like I said is, Trump is so.

Speaker 5 (02:10:57):
We're talking about Candace Owens, not Trump, I know
, but she's talking about takethe person out of it.
And listen to what they'resaying Candace Owens Okay.

Speaker 6 (02:11:06):
Anyways, we're talking about Trump.

Speaker 3 (02:11:10):
This is all about Trump.
Hey, by the way, who?

Speaker 6 (02:11:15):
won that election.
That was Trump.

Speaker 5 (02:11:17):
My hands fucking down .
I just wanted to know.
I just wanted to know.

Speaker 6 (02:11:21):
So he is so to me, when we talked about him with
Nick Fuentes and having dinnerand all that shit.
He is so white supremacist,adjacent Right.
I cannot throw my hat in thatring.

Speaker 5 (02:11:40):
But what was the dinner?
What was the?
What was the?
I don't know it was him, kanyeWest and Nick Fuentes, because
there's because there's picturesfloating around with him and
the dude that didn't commitsuicide in the jail cell too.
What's his name?
Epstein Epstein.

Speaker 7 (02:11:54):
There's pictures floating around.
There's pictures with him andDiddy.
The Democrats said he was bestbuddies with him.

Speaker 5 (02:12:00):
The guy showed up at an event and he got a picture
with Trump and now he's bestbuddies with him.
He didn't even know the dude.

Speaker 3 (02:12:06):
And so that's what I was trying to say.

Speaker 5 (02:12:08):
So I don't know what the context is.
So you're saying they went todinner.
Okay, what's the context ofwhat the dinner was?
They had dinner the three ofthem, just them, I.

Speaker 6 (02:12:17):
They had dinner the three of them, just them.
It was.
I mean, I'm sure there wereservers.

Speaker 5 (02:12:22):
It was at Mar-a-Lago, I'm sure there were servers, so
they were invited to his placeat Mar-a-Lago to have dinner
with him.
Yes, so there was clearly therewas something going on, and
that's what I'm asking what wasthe context of what the dinner?

Speaker 4 (02:12:32):
was Okay, okay.
So let me ask you a question.
Context Okay, we're sittinghere tonight.
You and I are good friends, yes, and I don't tell you that I'm
a pedophile.
I wouldn't say good friends,but we hang out.

Speaker 5 (02:12:50):
We've been associates for years.
You spooned once.

Speaker 4 (02:12:54):
We did spoon twice, we spooned twice.

Speaker 9 (02:12:56):
You spooned a little, but that's what I want to know.

Speaker 4 (02:12:59):
And I'm a pedophile and all of a sudden I get
arrested and they're like ohshit, trey.
Trey's got to be in on itbecause he's been friends with
the guy for years.
He's hung out and they've donepodcasts and they've gone to
dinner and they've ridenmotorcycles together.
He's got to be here, but youhad no idea ever.

Speaker 8 (02:13:18):
Right, that's what I'm trying to say.

Speaker 5 (02:13:22):
What's the context of all this?

Speaker 4 (02:13:24):
It's hard to say that just because there was a
picture floating around, or youhad a couple dinners, or you
hung out a couple times.
You don't know what someone'sdoing behind closed doors all
the time, and I'm not excusingit in a way either.
I'm just going to use this asan example.
That's a possibility, but NickFuentes was reputed.
I don't even know who that guyis.

Speaker 5 (02:13:41):
I don't know who he is either.
I don't know who that is.

Speaker 6 (02:13:45):
And he was known and Trump's people should have known
like, hey, do not take a dinnerwith this guy, but was this
before he was a politician?
No this was after he became,after he was president.
Okay, this was down inMar-a-Lago after he was
president.
Okay, this was down inMar-a-Lago after he was
president, but he knew he waseyeing, getting ready to run

(02:14:06):
again.
Okay, he should have never hadthat kind of a point.

Speaker 4 (02:14:08):
So I have a lot of friends that would probably say
I can't believe you sat acrossthe table from a liberal Right.
Does that mean maybe I'm tryingto have an honest conversation
with you to show you my side?
I understand where you're at.
He's not.

Speaker 6 (02:14:22):
Hitler and over there , what's up?

Speaker 3 (02:14:25):
I'm just saying like what's the argument?
Like why is it an issue?
Because clearly you won theelection by the popular vote.
Clearly, how many million didyou say?
About three?

Speaker 4 (02:14:39):
Right now, but there's still probably votes out
there to count.
So how many million?

Speaker 3 (02:14:42):
people voted for him and didn't give a shit about
that meeting at all.

Speaker 6 (02:14:46):
Nobody knew about it.

Speaker 4 (02:14:48):
He didn't know about it.
I didn't know about it, youdidn't know about it, he didn't
know about it.
This guy didn't know about it.

Speaker 5 (02:14:52):
And that's called bias, and I watch this kind of
stuff every day and I didn'tthat's called bias, and that's
why things like Ground Newsexists and stuff.

Speaker 2 (02:15:05):
I have no clue.
I've never seen that, I'venever heard of that guy?

Speaker 3 (02:15:10):
No, I haven't either.

Speaker 6 (02:15:12):
How am I supposed to know?
I heard about it as soon as hehad that dinner.

Speaker 3 (02:15:16):
But I guess, stop, stop, stop.
Where Where'd you hear it?

Speaker 6 (02:15:20):
from.
I have no fucking idea, to behonest with you Did AOC, tell
you that?

Speaker 5 (02:15:24):
Okay, listen, did she text you?

Speaker 4 (02:15:25):
Hold on hold on she definitely texted.

Speaker 6 (02:15:31):
That is when Kanye West lost his fucking mind.

Speaker 4 (02:15:34):
Gin and juices.

Speaker 5 (02:15:35):
He was a fucking See, and I barely even know who
Kanye West is.
So See, and I barely even knowwho Kanye West is.

Speaker 8 (02:15:39):
So Nick was brought as a guest of Kanye West to that
dinner.

Speaker 5 (02:15:46):
Oh, so he was just there as a guest of Kanye.

Speaker 4 (02:15:48):
He was there as a guest of Kanye Right, but well,
or Kanye, slash Uncle.

Speaker 6 (02:15:51):
Todd.
Here's here exactly, uncle Todd.
Thank, you.
Thank you, that's what I'm herefor man.

Speaker 4 (02:15:57):
I'm here for the comedy relief, right Is Kanye.

Speaker 5 (02:16:00):
West a singer or a basketball player.
He's a rapper.

Speaker 4 (02:16:03):
He's a rapper Married to Kim Kardashian for a bit.
Oh, that's why I don't know who, kim Kardashian is.

Speaker 5 (02:16:10):
He changed his name to Yee Yee.

Speaker 6 (02:16:12):
Kim Kardashian is part of Kanye, so he just
dropped the con.
It's now just.
Yee, his shoes are ugly.

Speaker 4 (02:16:19):
Well, it was like, it was like Y-E.
I mean, I know I thought it waslike it's like Chad Ochocinco.

Speaker 6 (02:16:29):
I saw that guy in Miami one time, really In the
fucking Adidas store, so I waswith my friend and he was like
that's Ochocinco, right there I

Speaker 4 (02:16:37):
was like that is Ochocinco AKA Chad Johnson, so
bringing it back though ChadJohnson Ochocinco.
Bringing it back, though he wasa football player Wide receiver
and his number was 85.
So he changed his name fromChad Johnson to Ochocinco,
because that's Mexican for 85.

Speaker 8 (02:16:54):
85, right, I got that and then the one dude did the
Middle World Peace in basketballoh Middle World Peace.
Sorry.

Speaker 4 (02:17:01):
I just got asked are you wearing?

Speaker 6 (02:17:03):
Yeezys, I am not, absolutely not, what the fuck
are you wearing Timberlands?
These are.
Timberlands.

Speaker 1 (02:17:09):
Justin Timberlake.

Speaker 6 (02:17:10):
Not Timberlake.

Speaker 4 (02:17:14):
Timberlake.

Speaker 2 (02:17:15):
He's wearing Timberlake.

Speaker 4 (02:17:20):
He owns a medical or he owns a marijuana growth
facility.
That's legal here in Michigan.

Speaker 8 (02:17:22):
So he's got the knockoffs.
Oh the knockoffs.
He's got the.

Speaker 4 (02:17:25):
Timberlakes.

Speaker 6 (02:17:26):
Timberlakes, timberlakes.
I do want to buy a pair ofTimberlakes.
I want to buy a pair of Yeezys.
I got the Timberlakes ontonight, boys.

Speaker 1 (02:17:36):
So I would say bringing you back.

Speaker 3 (02:17:38):
I would say you're the only one that has supposedly
heard this story and knows whothis Nick Fuentes guy is.
The rest of us, I would say,have a conservative lean.
I'm just using this as anexample to show that clearly,
whatever news source you got itfrom, news being used lightly is
bias.
It's complete bias, becausewe've all listened to Fox or

(02:18:00):
Newsmax or whoever they're notgoing to talk about that.

Speaker 6 (02:18:03):
No, I mean clearly we all know there's some divide,
that's what.

Speaker 4 (02:18:07):
I'm saying the bias is there.
So here's the deal.
I never try to do bias.
I got out of the Marines andactually paid attention to
elections, right?
So Bush was when I was in andClinton I mean, that was when
Clinton was coming out and Bushwas coming in the first time.
Like that's how long ago.
So when I got back still tothis day election night.

Speaker 5 (02:18:29):
I have like multi-view multi-screen on my TV
.

Speaker 4 (02:18:36):
You need a pop culture class, bill.
Bill, bill, get over it.
I'm flopping between CNN,newsmax.

Speaker 5 (02:18:41):
Fox MSNBC.
I was kidding about that one.
I'm all going.

Speaker 4 (02:18:46):
And the reason why is because they all report so
differently, right?
So, for instance, if I'mwatching Fox or Newsmax, oh my
gosh.
I need a pop culture call, sothey're talking a certain way,
and I flip between MSNBC and CNNand I'm watching those to see
what they're saying, to kind ofget the feel, the general feel,
because they're so differentthey're major news organizations

(02:19:07):
.
Fox and Newsmax are callingstates totally different than
the way MSNBC I mean you sawthat right.

Speaker 5 (02:19:14):
I had like four screens on my TV because I want
to know, I'm not biased eitherway.

Speaker 4 (02:19:20):
I just want to know the fucking truth.
I'm so tired of being lied toyeah, exactly right yes so pull
up, pull up our soup sandwichmessenger.

Speaker 3 (02:19:29):
I posted pictures of this and I'm watching the live,
so can one of you all pull it up?

Speaker 5 (02:19:34):
what do we have just?
The soup sandwich messengerchat that we have oh shit, I
don't know where the hell that'seven at.
It's right here.

Speaker 3 (02:19:41):
All right cool, Let me scroll through this.

Speaker 4 (02:19:44):
I thought you were talking about, like actually the
Facebook administrator.

Speaker 2 (02:19:46):
We love that, Charlie .

Speaker 7 (02:19:47):
No no, no.

Speaker 4 (02:19:50):
Where is it at?
It's our little group chat.
Yeah, it's not like the.

Speaker 2 (02:19:55):
Facebook messenger for the podcast page.
So anybody out there?

Speaker 4 (02:19:59):
listening.
I know we're on the post pageright now but, go to.
Soup Sandwich on Facebook.
Follow Mike.
We need to get to 100 people inorder to be able to put this on
that page rather than on thepost page.

Speaker 3 (02:20:13):
I know the live is not going to be able to see this
, but this is ground news.
I've subscribed to these guys,so they will show you whatever
the news article is and it willshow you how it leans, based on
who is running the article, andthen it gives you a synopsis,
down here in the bullet points,as to what they're saying, and

(02:20:34):
then it will show you a factualscore based on all that, and
then it shows you who owns thatnews agency.
Is it a media conglomerate?

Speaker 4 (02:20:49):
It'll tell you this article's going to be shaded one
way or the other.
And then they somewhat factcheck.
Is that what you're trying tosay?

Speaker 6 (02:20:57):
They give a fact score.

Speaker 5 (02:20:59):
What is this?

Speaker 8 (02:21:00):
It's called the ground news.

Speaker 4 (02:21:02):
Here's the issue I have with fact checking, and
this is not fact score.
What is this?
It's called the ground news.
Here's the issue I have withfact-checking.
And this is not fact-checking Ican fact-check something 100%
different than the way youfact-check it.
So I don't like fact-checkers,because I think that's bias as
well.

Speaker 3 (02:21:15):
Of course it is.

Speaker 5 (02:21:15):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (02:21:18):
I can interpret data totally different than you can,
even though we're looking at thesame numbers.

Speaker 8 (02:21:26):
Something as simple as you know, if you look at the
exit goals, we're crazy, rightit's like, oh, he's going to win
by a landslide If we don'targue.
And I said, fuck you, I'd punchhim in the fucking face.
I wouldn't hurt, I bet youwould.
I bet you'd be eating out of astraw for a few weeks.
No, what happened?

Speaker 6 (02:21:39):
So what do you guys think of Project 2025?

Speaker 4 (02:21:43):
I think it's garbage, it's 100% garbage and it's 100%
made up.
Got linked to him that he evensaid this is not any type of
policy.

Speaker 6 (02:21:54):
Can you Google how many people from the Trump
administration from the firstTrump administration, how many
it's not from From the firstTrump administration, how many
people authored Project 2025?

Speaker 3 (02:22:06):
That's great and all, but are those people going to
be in the new one?
Absolutely not.

Speaker 4 (02:22:09):
Because the first time he came in he even said it
right, I'm getting Nikki Haleyand Pompeo on these guys.
They're not going to be a partof this one.
Those are the swamp people he'strying to get rid of.
Right and no offense.
Right when you come in for oneterm.

Speaker 5 (02:22:22):
He knew no one.

Speaker 4 (02:22:24):
It's just like you as the P of the writer's group.

Speaker 5 (02:22:26):
He knew no one.

Speaker 4 (02:22:27):
All of a sudden, here's your first term.
How well did you know thefucking job?

Speaker 6 (02:22:31):
Not well.

Speaker 4 (02:22:33):
And what did I tell you?
Reach out to me if you've gotquestions or problems.
I'm not here to do your job.
Reach out to me if you needsomething.
You probably stepped on yourdick multiple times and now
you've learned the lesson, right.
So now your next term is goingto be way better than your first
term because you've got someexperience.
The same instance for him.
He had four years.

Speaker 5 (02:22:51):
Yeah, and he was an outsider.
You know, you've got toremember he was an outsider, he
didn't know anybody, he didn'tknow the Washington way.
So this time is going to bebetter than the last time.

Speaker 4 (02:22:58):
He's going to get rid of those people that maybe put
their name onto this.
That's why so many of his.

Speaker 5 (02:23:05):
Trump.
That's why so many of the Trumpfirst administration he fired
so many of them.
That's why so many of them arelike well, I work for Trump.
He's an asshole.

Speaker 3 (02:23:11):
And now they're never Trumpers?

Speaker 5 (02:23:13):
Yeah, because he found out that they were not
what he really wanted and gotrid of them.

Speaker 3 (02:23:19):
Yeah, and so my thoughts, my thoughts on that,
and I guess it's just kind ofthe challenge, because I guess
you will have to figure this out, Trey but over over the next
couple of years or so, some ofthose things in project 2225,
will it, will it materialize Of?
course they will Maybe, Ofcourse they will.

(02:23:39):
But I want to see, at the endof his next term, I want to see
a percentage of what actuallycame true versus what didn't,
Because if it's anywhere belowyou know, I don't know 30%, 20%,
he had nothing to do with it.
That's my challenge to you.

(02:24:00):
But even a blind squirrel can'tfind an acre.

Speaker 5 (02:24:03):
The number of that is going to happen.

Speaker 8 (02:24:05):
The numbers show 267 additional contributors.
At least 144 of them worked inTrump's administration On his
first term.
Here's the deal.

Speaker 6 (02:24:19):
He doesn't know anything about it.
Wait a minute.
These are knowledge of it.

Speaker 4 (02:24:23):
Okay, so let me ask you a question you have how many
employees at your business?

Speaker 6 (02:24:27):
Overall 100?
80?
.

Speaker 4 (02:24:29):
It's like 65.
Okay, so you have 65.
So say, 40 of them get together.
Knowledge of what they're doingUsed to work for me.
That's the point.

Speaker 5 (02:24:46):
Wait a minute.
What did you just say, he?

Speaker 4 (02:24:49):
only has 144 out of the 3,000.
That probably worked for him.

Speaker 6 (02:24:55):
Okay, but of the authors of this?
They worked for him and werethe majority of the authors?
No, so wait a minute.

Speaker 4 (02:25:04):
Majority of the authors.
Okay, so wait a minute.
So that's the out of the 144that authored.
This worked for him this time.

Speaker 3 (02:25:11):
And that's what I was going to say.

Speaker 6 (02:25:13):
Holman.
He contributed to that.
No, did he, did, he Did Holman.

Speaker 4 (02:25:17):
Holman.

Speaker 6 (02:25:17):
What's his first?

Speaker 4 (02:25:18):
name.

Speaker 7 (02:25:20):
Mike, mike, no, holman, holman, what's his?

Speaker 3 (02:25:23):
first name Mike?
No, I think it's Tom.
Tom Holman.

Speaker 6 (02:25:25):
So he did contribute to it.
Oh my God.

Speaker 3 (02:25:28):
But here's the thing what did he contribute?
Was it Borders R?

Speaker 4 (02:25:31):
stuff Secure the border.
So if you look at Project 2025,and it talks about border
security and the way immigrantswhat does Project 2025 say about
the VA?

Speaker 3 (02:25:43):
To privatize it.
I already know that's been afreaking argument for decades.

Speaker 5 (02:25:48):
That just goes back to privatizing.

Speaker 2 (02:25:50):
Social Security too.
They want to take our moneyaway from us.

Speaker 6 (02:25:53):
They don't want to privatize.
They want to take our moneyaway from us.
How can you privatize the VA?

Speaker 5 (02:25:57):
Hold on.

Speaker 6 (02:25:58):
It already has been privatized.

Speaker 5 (02:26:02):
Time out.
You're talking about the VA.
What did Trump do for the VAwhen he was president?

Speaker 4 (02:26:04):
I don't know, gave a shit ton more money, the White
House hotline.

Speaker 6 (02:26:09):
He did listen, he did a lot of good for the VA.

Speaker 5 (02:26:13):
So now you're saying he's not going to do shit for
the VA no no, no, no, no.

Speaker 6 (02:26:17):
But they want to take money away from us, so I'm
going to According to Project2025.
Who is they?

Speaker 3 (02:26:22):
But here's the thing.
Here's the thing Republicans,the OPM, the OPM, by mandate,
every single year has to comeout with things that they could
possibly slice off the cow tosave us money.
And on that list every singleyear it's cutting VA disability.

Speaker 5 (02:26:40):
Well, it just kind of goes back to Every single year,
every time they want to cuttaxes or cut.
What do they try to cut?
We're going to cut SocialSecurity.
We're going to cut schoolfunding.
We're going to cut police.
We're going to cut fireservices, all these things, it's
never going to be welfare.

Speaker 4 (02:26:56):
It's never going to be the social programs.

Speaker 5 (02:26:58):
It's always the thing People are saying hell, no,
that's not going to happen.

Speaker 3 (02:27:01):
It would be political suicide.
They never talk about cuttingthe crap.
Social Security, SocialSecurity, VA anything with
veterans, that's a.

Speaker 4 (02:27:12):
That's definitely a no-go Bipartisan thing.

Speaker 3 (02:27:15):
That's no-go, that's political suicide.
I'm going to revise my mandateOut of the people on that list
that contributed to 2025.
Is this the second part?
Two months revised.

Speaker 4 (02:27:26):
We've got to have at least two months, two hours 27
minutes, but here we are.

Speaker 3 (02:27:34):
I thought I did pretty good at two hours and 27
minutes.

Speaker 4 (02:27:37):
I could have called it earlier, but I just didn't
Because.

Speaker 1 (02:27:40):
I'm a nice guy.
I'm a nice guy.
I feel bad for Trey being heretoday.

Speaker 3 (02:27:43):
I got it, I got it so originally I had said what
percentage becomes true.
So I'm going to add on to that,whatever comes true, who wrote
it, and if it doesn't come true,who wrote it and whether or not
they are in his newadministration.

(02:28:03):
So, and I guess that's justbasic research, I'm just kind of
splitting it out, but like thatis at the end of his term.
That's what I'm going to do andI'm going to try to figure out,
like OK, so here here I'm goingto give you my issues, my
issues with.
I better sit down for this.

Speaker 6 (02:28:22):
You're probably not going to like this because, okay
, who the Trump administrationis aligning themselves with?
One, they're aligningthemselves with people like Nick
Fuentes, Right.
He's not going to work in theadministration, but you have
Stephen Miller, steve Bannon,all these racist people.

Speaker 7 (02:28:46):
I like the Steve Miller band.
That's the name.

Speaker 6 (02:28:50):
Matthew Spann.

Speaker 3 (02:28:52):
I don't think that's what he was talking about.
All these racists.

Speaker 6 (02:28:55):
That's awesome.

Speaker 5 (02:28:56):
I was thinking the same thing earlier too.

Speaker 6 (02:29:00):
They're racist or racist adjacent Right.
The second thing is.
The second thing is thereligious cuckoos, these
religious cuckoos that want toturn America into the fucking
handmaid's tale.

Speaker 7 (02:29:19):
Oh, shut up, so wait a minute.
That's why.

Speaker 6 (02:29:21):
I said you're not going to shut up.

Speaker 4 (02:29:22):
You're not, I know.
That's why I said you're notgoing to like it.
You want to get on religion.
Do you know what he said aboutabortion?
When they're talking about theyhave to do it in the first six
weeks, he says that needs to belonger than that.

Speaker 6 (02:29:32):
Listen listen, he can say what he fucking wants, but
what is happening?

Speaker 7 (02:29:38):
I mean that's all.

Speaker 5 (02:29:42):
So let me tell you, let me tell you what's happening
In red states.

Speaker 6 (02:29:43):
what's happening?

Speaker 4 (02:29:44):
Let me tell you he actually gave back the power to
the people.

Speaker 5 (02:29:47):
That's what I was just going to say.

Speaker 4 (02:29:48):
He gave the power to us in Michigan to vote on what
we want to do.
That's the way it should be.
It should not come from.
Are they voting?

Speaker 6 (02:29:56):
though Some.
Some states yes.

Speaker 4 (02:29:58):
Ruth Bader Ginsburg.
Ruth Bader.

Speaker 5 (02:30:02):
Ginsburg.
So, that being said, if theydidn't vote for it, that's
because they didn't put it ontheir ballot.

Speaker 6 (02:30:08):
I know and that goes to the people of that state.
The politicians in that statetook it over, made laws in Texas
, Florida, Georgia, where youhave women, women dying.

Speaker 4 (02:30:23):
No hold on Dying in those states.
Let me ask you a question.
No hold on a minute, google it.

Speaker 8 (02:30:28):
They just did.
Tuesday's vote was a rarechance for Texans to vote
directly on abortionrestrictions.

Speaker 6 (02:30:32):
Okay, now what are the?

Speaker 3 (02:30:34):
statistics of who's dying and how many.
How many women have died inTexas from abortion restrictions
?

Speaker 4 (02:30:39):
I got a lot of knowledge on this in Texas from
abortion restrictions.
I got a lot of knowledge onthis subject From abortion
restrictions.
I got a lot of knowledge on thissubject, I'm going to ask a
question.
So Ruth Gensler did not likethe fact that abortion rights
were hung on.
Roe v Wade Didn't like at all.
House Bill 1964, obama ran on.

(02:31:03):
House bill 1964, obama ran onFeels good, yeah, turn that down
over there.
Ruth Obama said he was going tosign that bill for abortion
rights or reproductive rights.
Never did it, never did it Hiseight years You're absolutely
right, never signed it.
Trump comes in.
Biden had the opportunity to dosomething.
Never fucking did it.

(02:31:23):
Never did it His eight years.
You're absolutely right, neversigned it.
Yep, trump comes in.
Biden had the opportunity to dosomething.
Never fucking did it.
Okay.

Speaker 1 (02:31:27):
He had both House and Senate never did it.

Speaker 4 (02:31:30):
Okay, so you can't hang reproductive rights on
Republicans when you've had 12years of Democrat control and
they've never done it.
Yep, so you can't come after usfor four years.
What did you do?
Jesus, jesus Bill relax.

Speaker 8 (02:31:51):
You're putting it on upside down, not me this time.

Speaker 4 (02:31:56):
So you want to hang all these policies or these
principles on Republicans whenDemocrats had every opportunity
to do it and they don't do it?
Yep, so that's the most crapstuff I've ever heard.
Now, how many women in theUnited States have ever been
tried or convicted for anabortion?

Speaker 6 (02:32:15):
None yet, None Well maybe back in the 50s or 60s.

Speaker 4 (02:32:19):
So here's the problem with Michigan.
Kamala Harris comes here andshe wants to talk about abortion
rights.
She wants to talk aboutreproductive rights.
Guess what?
It's already enshrined in ourConstitution by a vote that you
can do it You've got to turnyour camera around.
I did there's a problem oh okay, so you know it's just crap

(02:32:39):
right.

Speaker 5 (02:32:40):
Sorry about the camera folks.
These are those.

Speaker 3 (02:32:42):
These are those?
Roy had a little too much todrink.
He knocked it all over.

Speaker 4 (02:32:47):
Don't say that His wife might be listening.

Speaker 5 (02:32:49):
That brisk lemonade is really kicking his butt.

Speaker 4 (02:32:51):
Yeah, it's tall.
There it is.
His wife might be listening.
Don't throw him under the bus.

Speaker 5 (02:32:56):
It was brisk lemonade no-transcript.

Speaker 4 (02:33:07):
Is there that a woman is facing prosecution for
having an abortion?
Say again, how many states hasa woman that's being prosecuted
for having an abortion?
I'm going to read this to youZero?

Speaker 6 (02:33:19):
No, I'm going to read this to you.
What's that sound?
The heater's turning.
In the first year after thedecision to overturn Roe v Wade,
over 200 women were chargedwith pregnancy-related crimes in
12 states.

Speaker 4 (02:33:36):
Charged but were they prosecuted, Because we all know
there's a difference right.
I could have you arrestedtonight, but so you're charged
with Hold on.
Have you been prosecuted?

Speaker 6 (02:33:50):
Let me finish this, because the majority of these
crimes were charges were forsubstance abuse during pregnancy
, ah See, which I agree with.

Speaker 5 (02:34:06):
Changing the topic.
You were throwing a curveballin there.

Speaker 4 (02:34:10):
How many states criminalize the removal of the
atopic or entopic pregnancy?
Say again, how many statescriminalize the removal of the
atopic?

Speaker 3 (02:34:24):
E-C-T Et-opic Pregnancy.

Speaker 4 (02:34:27):
It's pretty simple.
The answer is zero.
How many states prohibit thelife-saving care for the mother?

Speaker 6 (02:34:36):
Say that one more time.
How many states prohibit thelife-saving?

Speaker 4 (02:34:41):
measures of the mother.

Speaker 6 (02:34:44):
None Zero, exactly.

Speaker 4 (02:34:46):
So there has not been one woman that's faced
prosecution for having anabortion.
There are zero states thatcriminalize having a miscarriage
.
Zero times has any statescriminalized removal of ectopic
pregnancy.
And zero states prohibitlife-saving measures for the
mother as of today, Okay so thisis all scare tactics.

Speaker 6 (02:35:13):
No, but what you're saying there?
What you're saying there?
You're being awful quiet overthere.
Does not Say that one more time.
It does not Since the overturnof Roe v.

Speaker 4 (02:35:25):
Wade.
There's not been one mother,woman prosecuted, penalized or
anything Yet.

Speaker 2 (02:35:32):
Okay, we can say yet penalized or anything Yet.
Okay, we could say yet, butstill today, but it's going to
happen.

Speaker 6 (02:35:36):
It's zero.
Is it going to happen?
It's going to happen, it'sgoing to happen, yeah.

Speaker 4 (02:35:39):
Is it?
Is it?

Speaker 6 (02:35:40):
Yeah, it's going to happen.

Speaker 4 (02:35:41):
Okay, so we can wish down the way.
Uh-huh, it could happen thatthe Lions win the Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 (02:35:52):
Is it?

Speaker 4 (02:35:52):
a probability.

Speaker 1 (02:35:53):
Maybe, but that's not guaranteed.

Speaker 4 (02:35:54):
It's a very high probability.
So what you're trying to do isyou're trying to guarantee this
is going to happen.

Speaker 6 (02:35:56):
It's going to happen and it hasn't.
Well, it hasn't yet.

Speaker 4 (02:36:01):
You know what?
A spaceship has not landed anddropped dinosaurs with little
red cakes, but it could happen.

Speaker 6 (02:36:07):
It could happen.

Speaker 4 (02:36:12):
All this Roe v Wade shit is so in RB.
Wade, Listen here Nostradamus.

Speaker 5 (02:36:17):
You're speculating and it's called scare tactic.

Speaker 4 (02:36:21):
RB Dean did not even want women's reproductive rights
.
Hung on Roe v Wade and thiswhole thing about Handmaiden's
Tale.

Speaker 3 (02:36:28):
It is a dystopic fantasy.
It is a fantasy storyic fantasy.
It is a fantasy story From yourside.
It is a fantasy story, Adystopian fantasy.
That is what it is.

Speaker 4 (02:36:41):
Look up HR 1964.
Obama could have signed themotherfuckers first second he
was in the office and never did.
You want to know why?
No, I agree.
You want to know why you didn'tdo it.
Because they have to leavesomething out there for people
to fight.
They have to leave somethingout there to divide the fucking
country.
He did the same bullshit in myunion right United Association.

(02:37:04):
We're Local 85 out of Saginaw,michigan.
We walked around our unionmeetings and we all signed a
petition for him to make beingable to unionize easier.
Right, and it was taught to usall day long you sign this card.
It's going to make all theseother companies so much easier
for people to fucking unionize.
Guess what he never fuckingsigned in eight years.

(02:37:26):
He never signed themotherfucker to make it easier
for us to unionize.

Speaker 5 (02:37:29):
But he could, he could someday, he absolutely
could have.

Speaker 4 (02:37:33):
He might still be able to.
I don't fucking know I meanit's a possibility.

Speaker 5 (02:37:36):
He could do it.

Speaker 4 (02:37:36):
The aliens come down with the dinosaurs and red capes
.
I mean it could happen.
What I'm saying is he had.
They have every opportunity tosolve problems, and the reason
why they don't want to do it isbecause they want guys like you
and I that fight amongst eachother, and when we're fighting
against each other, now they'vegot a division where they can
draw a vote this way or a votethat way.
They want to keep us at arms.

Speaker 6 (02:37:56):
But here's the thing.
Here's the thing from myperspective.
Yeah Right, that will neverhappen, because you'll always be
my brother.
Well, I get that, no matter ourfucking political, I get that.

Speaker 5 (02:38:07):
But that's because you guys have a bond.
That's outside of this bullshit.
But when you have people thatyou don't know and you
automatically assume thatthey're having a dinner with
somebody, so they'reautomatically a sexist racist
homophobic, misogynistic pieceof garbage that you're going to
take Well, I mean Trump has beenconvicted of crimes.

Speaker 6 (02:38:32):
Where has he?

Speaker 5 (02:38:32):
34.
Has he, has he?
What were the crimes?
Fraud.

Speaker 3 (02:38:40):
Fraud in the most liberal state in the nation,
which may still get struck down.
We'll see what happens when theBiden's coming out.

Speaker 4 (02:38:47):
What is Trump's conviction?
We'll see what happens.

Speaker 5 (02:38:49):
Because he said the value of his home was a certain
value.

Speaker 6 (02:38:53):
No, no no, here's the other thing, here's the other
thing.

Speaker 3 (02:39:01):
I watched a small 20, 30-minute snippet of the New
York Court of Appeals and one ofthe justices.
They lit him right up.
One of the justices sat rightthere and said in the history of
this nation, no court case hadever come before any court
anywhere in the nation where thepeople who the prosecutors is

(02:39:21):
what they were referring to.
The prosecutors wereprosecuting a case where there
was nobody complaining of anywrongdoing, no damage.

Speaker 5 (02:39:31):
So for instance.

Speaker 4 (02:39:32):
This is the case.
Trump took out a loan on one ofhis buildings and I'm just
going to use it was 2,000 squarefeet smaller than what he said.
You're the bank.
You come in, you look at thebuilding.
You say, okay, yep, you want $3billion for this building.
Right, you want to take a loanout?
Yep, we agree $.
You want to take a loan out?
We agree $3 billion.
And you're going to pay us $1billion in interest.

Speaker 3 (02:39:53):
And they have their own due diligence.

Speaker 4 (02:39:56):
They come in and they say we'll give you $3 billion.
Trump takes the $3 billion andpays them back the $4 billion.
Everybody's square, Everybody'sfucking happy.
Now you get to stay in the ERgoing.
Wait a minute.
That should only be $2.8billion, not $3 billion, because
you lied and said it was worthmore square footage than what
you said.
The bank came into the case andsaid we were good with it.

(02:40:19):
We don't give a shit.
We made our billion dollars.

Speaker 5 (02:40:21):
We got our money back .

Speaker 4 (02:40:22):
We got our money back .
It's not like it's a default oranything crazy.
That's what the case was about.
That's exactly what it was allthat's gonna get overturned
because there was no damage.

Speaker 3 (02:40:31):
So anyway what it was about there was no damage.

Speaker 6 (02:40:33):
Can we talk about His conviction before, before we
had?

Speaker 4 (02:40:37):
and I know, but there's multiple cases in New
York.
All right, all right now,before we get too deep on that.

Speaker 3 (02:40:42):
Let me throw one more thing about this handmaidens
tale before we get too far.

Speaker 6 (02:40:47):
I really want that to happen.
See what I'm talking about.

Speaker 3 (02:40:50):
It's so stupid?
Because, okay, because I liketo read.
I like to read books.
You have a daughter, right?

Speaker 4 (02:40:58):
Whatever, she's a daughter, right?
I want to get into voting afterthis is done.

Speaker 3 (02:41:01):
Okay, so let me read to you guys, Because they're
talking about oh, the headman'stale.
I've seen memes all overFacebook about it.

Speaker 5 (02:41:09):
I don't even know what the hell it is.

Speaker 4 (02:41:10):
I'm about to tell you .
Are you ready for this?
Shut your mouth and listen.

Speaker 3 (02:41:16):
Never once has a sailor ever done that.

Speaker 4 (02:41:19):
No, you guys usually open up and go ah, you would
know.

Speaker 6 (02:41:26):
You're on the boat with them, I know.

Speaker 4 (02:41:29):
Remember what Tim always says it doesn't matter
which end of the dick you're on,you're still gay, I know.
But remember what Tim alwayssays doesn't matter which end of
the dick you're on, you'restill gay.

Speaker 5 (02:41:34):
I got three words.

Speaker 4 (02:41:35):
I got three words I think one's gayer than the other
, but still it doesn't matter.

Speaker 5 (02:41:38):
I got three words, three, three words.

Speaker 4 (02:41:41):
Fuck you, charlie you know how many times I've heard
that in my life.
To be taken as seriously.

Speaker 2 (02:41:48):
No, I'm just kidding All right.

Speaker 8 (02:41:50):
All right.

Speaker 3 (02:41:50):
But, seriously I've seen memes galore about all this
other stuff about Handmaid'sTale coming true, whatever.
Okay, here is the overview.
The Handmaid's Tale is afuturistic dystopian novel
written by a Canadian author in1985.
It is set in a near-future NewEngland, in a patriarchal,

(02:42:12):
totalitarian, theonomic stateknown as the Republic of.
Gilead, which has overthrownthe United States government.
Hold on, my stories are quickand they're saying that we're
going to turn into the headman'stale.
It is the most ridiculousbullshit I have ever heard in my
life.
It is ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (02:42:33):
Did AOC say it Totalitarian?

Speaker 3 (02:42:36):
Take a breath and count to ten One, two, three,
four, five, ten Totalitarianmeaning North Korea.
So we're going to turn it toNorth Korea.
Patriarchal which means IranMen are in charge, so Iran.

Speaker 2 (02:42:54):
So we're, going to turn into some sort of
combination between North Koreaand Iran.

Speaker 3 (02:43:00):
In Iraq as well.
So we're going to turn intosome sort of mixture between
North Korea and Iran.
It's the biggest bullshit lieanybody's ever told.
They're trying to take fictionand put it into reality and it's
never going to happen.

Speaker 6 (02:43:14):
Listen, ever.
It's a scare tech.
I watched this series, theHandmaid's Tale right.
It's based on the book Rightand it's based on the book.

Speaker 5 (02:43:24):
Is there unicorns in that series?
That's what I want to know,probably.

Speaker 6 (02:43:27):
But there are women hung for not giving up the pussy
.
So, but there are women hungfor not giving up the pussy, so
this is what people like NickFuentes want.

Speaker 5 (02:43:35):
Man, you like that?

Speaker 6 (02:43:35):
guy, don't you?
He's a fucking piece of shit.
You know what it is?

Speaker 4 (02:43:38):
They always find that one little thing they just ride
to death.

Speaker 3 (02:43:41):
And this is it.
That's my site.

Speaker 6 (02:43:44):
They saddle up and they just ride that shit.
You know what it is I just goon and on and on.

Speaker 5 (02:43:48):
I just realized what it is.
It goes on and on and on.
I just realized what it is.
He wants to be the big spoon ofNick Fuentes.
He's sick of being the littlespoon.
He wants to be the big spoon,big papa.

Speaker 6 (02:43:59):
Nick Fuentes was on his social media platform,
whatever talking to women yourbody, my choice, your body, my
choice there were guys.

Speaker 4 (02:44:09):
Andrew Tate's no damn different.
And then look at that piece ofshit.

Speaker 6 (02:44:14):
But listen, these are all people who are Trump's the
fuck he is.

Speaker 7 (02:44:19):
Wasn't Andrew Tate during COVID, where it was my
body, my choice?

Speaker 8 (02:44:23):
Oh.

Speaker 4 (02:44:25):
Listen, nobody forced you to get a fucking vaccine.
Jake is listening, probably.
Hopefully still hey, leah did?

Speaker 5 (02:44:32):
they force you to get a Did.

Speaker 4 (02:44:32):
Jake is listening.

Speaker 5 (02:44:32):
Probably, hopefully still.
Hey, leah, did they force youto get a, did they?

Speaker 6 (02:44:34):
force you Leah Well in the Navy.

Speaker 3 (02:44:36):
yes, my fiancé, while still breastfeeding was forced
to get this vaccination or loseher job because her employer was
a.
Medicare and Medicaid fundedorganization my body might my
ass.

Speaker 6 (02:44:54):
I'm talking about the government.

Speaker 4 (02:44:56):
Did the government force them to do it?

Speaker 6 (02:45:00):
No, they didn't.

Speaker 7 (02:45:00):
Yes, they did.
It was government mandate.

Speaker 3 (02:45:05):
No, it was not.
Look it up, fact checker, lookit up.

Speaker 6 (02:45:11):
It was not a government mandate a government
yes, it was.
Employers might have mandatedit.

Speaker 3 (02:45:18):
No specifically in health care.
It was a mandate.
You would lose your job and themilitary.

Speaker 6 (02:45:23):
How's she doing?
She got it.
She got the vaccine.
That doesn't matter.

Speaker 3 (02:45:28):
The point is my body, my choice.
That's what you're saying.

Speaker 5 (02:45:33):
So your immunizations are the same thing.
It's okay to pick and choosethough.
Your body my choice.

Speaker 6 (02:45:38):
That's what these your body, my choice.

Speaker 3 (02:45:41):
All right, get your ass over here big boy.

Speaker 5 (02:45:43):
I'll show you something.
It's only gay if you look up.

Speaker 7 (02:45:50):
You better look up too.

Speaker 8 (02:45:51):
You better look up 20 bucks is 20 bucks 20 bucks is
20 bucks, so let's talk aboutthe votes I need dad's money.

Speaker 6 (02:46:00):
Let's talk about the votes.
Oh, you know what I'm gladabout what vote?
There's no voter fraud, sothere isn't.

Speaker 4 (02:46:12):
So look at the numbers.
Nine million as of today, lessDemocratic votes than in 2020.
Nine million less votes.
Nine million.
So the Messiah Obama.
I voted for him twice.

Speaker 3 (02:46:28):
I voted for him the second time because I was too
young.

Speaker 4 (02:46:30):
the first time I voted for him twice.

Speaker 5 (02:46:32):
Who's that Obama?
Second time because I was tooyoung the first time I voted for
him twice.

Speaker 4 (02:46:34):
Who's that?
Obama, obama, absolutely.
Here's the deal, man, I don'tcare what political affiliation
you have.
No, shit, no honestly.

Speaker 3 (02:46:41):
No, I'm sorry.
Natalie said I can't help, butimagine if Tim was in this
conversation.

Speaker 4 (02:46:47):
I vote.
Oh shit, I vote on the personRight.
I voted for Slotkin over MikeRogers.

Speaker 5 (02:46:54):
Because I liked her message.
Yeah, we talked about that,yeah so here's the deal.

Speaker 4 (02:46:57):
I've never been a straight ticket.
I hate straight tickets.

Speaker 8 (02:47:00):
I don't know why it's even on the ballot.

Speaker 4 (02:47:01):
You need to.
I think you should fill out.

Speaker 8 (02:47:02):
You need to do your research, because here's the
problem.

Speaker 4 (02:47:05):
It's too lazy to go in and bubble thing and you're
dragging the ticket down ofpeople you have no idea what
they actually believe in.
I think you should have tobubble it in If you get to a
name you don't know, or a couplenames you don't know.
Don't fucking fill anything out, walk away.
Which is cool.
So here's the deal.
I voted Democrat.

Speaker 3 (02:47:21):
I voted some township people.

Speaker 4 (02:47:25):
He got 68 million votes.

Speaker 5 (02:47:28):
The judges I didn't know who they were.

Speaker 4 (02:47:33):
Obama, obama.
So Obama got 69 million votesin 08, to McCain 60 million.
I had this set up for just anight.

Speaker 8 (02:47:39):
I didn't know we were going to get into this Obama's
2012,.

Speaker 4 (02:47:44):
Right, romney 66 million to 61 million.
You go to Trump in 2016,.
He got 63 million to Clinton's61.

Speaker 6 (02:47:59):
Clinton's 66 million.
Trump had 66 and Clinton had 66.

Speaker 5 (02:48:04):
Oh Clinton, he's talking about not being able to
vote.

Speaker 1 (02:48:09):
He didn't win the popular.

Speaker 4 (02:48:10):
Then you go to the COVID year Mail-in ballots 81
million for Biden, okay, 81million for Biden and Trump at
74 million.

Speaker 7 (02:48:21):
There's no way.

Speaker 4 (02:48:21):
Okay, so you go from the messiah that was Obama in
the 60 million range, nevertouched 70.
You go 20 million.
More votes for Biden in themail-in ballot.

Speaker 5 (02:48:34):
Who never left his basement, by the way, why?

Speaker 4 (02:48:38):
Why is there that big a difference?
When Obama was the great blackAmerican that ever was ever made
, he was the guy.

Speaker 5 (02:48:47):
Obama brought in all the youth vote too.

Speaker 4 (02:48:51):
Trump 63, 74.
That's 11 million different.
During COVID years there was ajump, but it wasn't a 20 million
jump, it was a 9 million jump.
So half less than half jumpedfrom Obama to him.

Speaker 6 (02:49:04):
Pause.
How many?
What was the?
When did Obama get elected?

Speaker 4 (02:49:09):
First time 2012.
What?

Speaker 6 (02:49:13):
is the population of the US in 2008?

Speaker 3 (02:49:16):
Are we going to go percentages now?

Speaker 6 (02:49:17):
No population.

Speaker 4 (02:49:19):
You should just register voters in 2008.

Speaker 3 (02:49:23):
Because you can't count anybody in 2018.

Speaker 6 (02:49:26):
But I mean what is it though?

Speaker 4 (02:49:27):
It was 305 million For total population, for 2008,.
Total population Jesus Christ,dude, calm down.

Speaker 2 (02:49:38):
I'm a motherfucking monster.
He's like, hey, I've got tocheck these facts.

Speaker 6 (02:49:42):
I've got to check it.

Speaker 4 (02:49:46):
So this is where the voter fraud comes in and we'll
get to the actual numbers as oftoday, because that's the latest
data that I got.

Speaker 3 (02:49:54):
While he's looking that up, let's throw this out
there as part of thisconversation.
So, assuming, let's just assume, that there was some level of
voter fraud, what are thethoughts about getting rid of
the secret ballot?

Speaker 1 (02:50:09):
What secret ballot?

Speaker 3 (02:50:12):
So your name is not on that ballot.
It is a ballot number.

Speaker 5 (02:50:15):
Who you voted for is not.

Speaker 3 (02:50:18):
Not that it would be in a database that I'd be able
to say oh yeah, trey voted forwhatever.

Speaker 5 (02:50:23):
Not like that.
What's known is that you havevoted.
What's not known is who youvoted for.

Speaker 4 (02:50:27):
Right, so I've got a.
I have a lot of stats, thankyou.
I was prepared for tonightbecause I want to have this
discussion that's an open-endeddiscussion 2008,.
146 million registered voters146 million registered voters
when 2008.
2008.
146.
The numbers I'm looking at arepretty dang close to almost

(02:50:48):
everybody voting 2020.

Speaker 8 (02:50:50):
153.
153.
Nope 168.

Speaker 4 (02:50:53):
168 million voters.
Pull out your calculator.
In what year?
In 2020.
168 million in 2020.
So you take in 2020 Biden's 81million minus 81 million and
then take Trump's 74 million.
So out of the registered votersthere's only 13 million voters

(02:51:18):
that didn't vote.

Speaker 5 (02:51:20):
Or voted for a third party or whatever, or
independents, and it's usuallywhat?

Speaker 3 (02:51:25):
0.2?
Yeah, but out of 146 million.

Speaker 6 (02:51:30):
0.2 is probably still 1.

Speaker 4 (02:51:32):
So in the last two Trump votes.
Okay, so you're talking 2020and this one, trump's had 75
million this year and he had 74million in 2020.

Speaker 5 (02:51:44):
Pretty consistent 3.3 .
Yep.

Speaker 4 (02:51:46):
Okay, 3.3.

Speaker 5 (02:51:47):
Out of that number.

Speaker 4 (02:51:49):
He actually only went up a million votes between 2020
and this time.
Kamala Harris went from 81million, democrats went from 81
million, with Biden down to 72million.
For Kamala Nine million.
So here's where my issue isNine million votes.
Nine million, currently ninemillion, and there's some change

(02:52:11):
in there.
Right, I'm just going rawnumbers, just easy numbers.

Speaker 5 (02:52:12):
I'm just going easy numbers Nine million, nine
million votes.
Currently 9 million.
There's some change in there,right, I'm just going raw
numbers, just easy numbers.
I'm just going easy numbers 9million votes.

Speaker 4 (02:52:18):
So you guys want to stand there and say all the
racists, and everybody voted forTrump.
It's only a million votes.
How come your party didn't turnout to vote for the black woman
?
That's on you guys for beingmisogynist or racist.
It's not on Republicans.

Speaker 1 (02:52:34):
You can't come at us.

Speaker 4 (02:52:36):
Because our number is within a million votes out of
300 million, that can votePretty consistent.
Whatever that number is, yeah,pretty consistent.
How come you guys didn't have 9million of your own party come
out to vote for her?
If we only took a million,that's still 8 million Democrats
short from Biden that didn'tvote for her, or that's on?

Speaker 3 (02:52:57):
you guys.

Speaker 5 (02:52:58):
Maybe that's the number.

Speaker 3 (02:52:59):
I was trying to say Not popular vote.

Speaker 5 (02:53:01):
Maybe that was the number that they were talking
about, or you look at it and seewhat the previous year was, or
there was massive fraud duringBiden, because not at one point.
Because they never validatedthe votes, they only recounted
what was there Not at?

Speaker 4 (02:53:20):
one point since 2008.
Never validated.
Not at one point since 2008until Harris this year, did
Democrats ever get 70 millionvotes?
This is the first year since2008,.
So Obama years.

Speaker 8 (02:53:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (02:53:35):
With the exception of the 20 million vote jump during
the Biden year, did they evertouch 70 million?

Speaker 6 (02:53:42):
So let me ask this why did the Democrats not cheat
this year?

Speaker 5 (02:53:47):
Because there was too many people watching.

Speaker 2 (02:53:49):
Way too many people watching after 2020.

Speaker 4 (02:53:50):
They did not have the opportunity.

Speaker 5 (02:53:51):
Way too many people watching.
Way too many people watchingafter 2020.
They did not have theopportunity.
Way too many people watching.
They didn't have theopportunity and they knew they
couldn't get away with it twiceIf they actually did cheat.

Speaker 4 (02:54:00):
Why do people get caught thieving?
Because you walk into DollarGeneral and you stole this first
time and what do you do?
You get brazen.
I got away with it once, I'llget away with it twice.
I got away with it once, I'llget away with it twice you go
back, and that's the time youget caught.

Speaker 6 (02:54:12):
If I'm going to go steal some shit, why would I
steal it from dollars?
So here's the thing If you'regoing, to steal votes from the
American people.

Speaker 4 (02:54:17):
You've already done it once.
Maybe this time they're goingto be watching.
How come there's that big adifference between Biden in 2020
to Harris this time, and howcome Obama never?

Speaker 6 (02:54:27):
got those numbers Because people were
disillusioned with the wholefucking process.
They're disillusioned with andI'm just being honest here.

Speaker 4 (02:54:36):
I'm just wondering why your but?

Speaker 5 (02:54:37):
you can't say they made it easier for when Biden
ran against Trump the first timethan it was this year.

Speaker 4 (02:54:42):
You can still mail in .

Speaker 5 (02:54:44):
They still did mail-ins this year.

Speaker 4 (02:54:45):
You can still do drop boxes, so you can't say it was
easier If your party didn't showup to vote for your own
candidate, there should havebeen 81 million votes that she
got this year.
What's up, dude?
Well, there should have been 80million if 1 million went over
Trump from last time.
Right.

Speaker 1 (02:55:02):
And there was a 9 million difference between Trump
and Biden.

Speaker 4 (02:55:06):
She should have had 8 million more votes this year.

Speaker 1 (02:55:09):
Yeah, and she didn't have them, so explain to me why
your base didn't come out tovote for her Was it because she
was a woman, wait a minute, didyour base not come out because
she was a woman.
The base did, or was it?

Speaker 4 (02:55:20):
she was black.
Why didn't your people want tocome out to vote for her?
The base did.

Speaker 6 (02:55:26):
The base did.
It was those swing voters nothere was only a million.

Speaker 5 (02:55:31):
There was only a million, there was only a
million that went after Trump,because Trump.

Speaker 4 (02:55:37):
There's only a plus million vote from Trump between
Biden to this year, but therewas a nine million between Trump
and Biden, so we'll take themillion that voted for Trump or
voted for Biden Subtract it,subtract it, and that still
leaves eight million.
We'll take a million that votedfor Biden and we'll shift them
over to Trump, because Trump putup a million that leaves 8

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million Democrat votes out there.

Speaker 5 (02:56:01):
So there's a couple theories.
Either they cheated or theystayed the fuck home.

Speaker 7 (02:56:09):
And if they stayed home, then they don't believe in
it.
Let's rewind that for a minute.

Speaker 6 (02:56:12):
Don't in it.
Hey, don't step away.
No, I'm not.

Speaker 7 (02:56:15):
Let's go further back.

Speaker 5 (02:56:18):
And that's numbers, that's numbers.
They don't lie.
Let's take numbers out.

Speaker 4 (02:56:22):
Hold on.
This is the reason why I madethat chart.

Speaker 3 (02:56:26):
He, he's a Marine.
I didn't think he could make achart like that Right.

Speaker 4 (02:56:31):
I have an ex-wife.
That got me very organized, bythe way.
It's all on her, not on me.

Speaker 5 (02:56:37):
You know damn well he's not.
That kid wasn't in crayon.

Speaker 7 (02:56:43):
When they finally decided that Biden was done and
dropped out, they didn't giveyou guys a chance, like a little
mini primary, to vote for whoyou wanted.
They just gave you somebody andsaid, hey, you got no choice.
This is where we're running.

Speaker 6 (02:56:58):
I was going to bring that up.

Speaker 5 (02:57:00):
I did not agree with that I'm not saying, you didn't.

Speaker 6 (02:57:04):
And a lot of people did not agree with that Sure.

Speaker 3 (02:57:06):
But they should have said no.

Speaker 5 (02:57:09):
But yet Trump is the one that was the one that was
supposed to kill the democraticprocess.

Speaker 3 (02:57:16):
Well, give it time.
Do you think that had a toll?

Speaker 7 (02:57:18):
on your numbers.

Speaker 5 (02:57:20):
Democrats are the ones that totally went away from
the democratic process bystripping Biden and giving her
the nod without any democraticprocess.

Speaker 3 (02:57:34):
We're going to get into election law for a second,
but what I understood that to bewas because she couldn't access
the fundraised money because ofthe name right?

Speaker 5 (02:57:45):
No, what happened is, if she didn't succeed him, the
money had to go back to thedonors.
So the only way that they couldkeep the money that was given
to Biden for the election wasshe had to take the nod,
otherwise they had to give itback and then they would have to

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resubmit that money.
That's election law.
So that's why she got denied,because the money was there.

Speaker 6 (02:58:17):
Roy's question was do I think that not running a
primary had any effect on theamount of people?
That why she lost?
I believe absolutely, hellfucking yeah, there were a lot
of people me included.

Speaker 5 (02:58:36):
I think had she had more time to campaign, she would
have done worse.

Speaker 4 (02:58:41):
I don't think that she wasn't really good in
interviews at all.

Speaker 6 (02:58:45):
I think she would have done worse, she ate Trump
up in their debate.

Speaker 4 (02:58:50):
She ate him up.
You know why?
Because Trump was the only onefact-checked.
No, that's true.
No, it's 100% true.
And you're going to see, abcNews is going to get hammered
for it, because that's exactlythe contract of that yeah, once
Trump gets in there and wants tofucking no.
And actually gets the facts ofthe case.
It's not revenge.

Speaker 6 (02:59:08):
He has said that he wants revenge on his political
opponents.
What?

Speaker 5 (02:59:11):
about Kamala Harris going on Saturday Night Live at
the last.

Speaker 3 (02:59:15):
Saturday night NBC got fined for that because equal
opportunity law.

Speaker 6 (02:59:22):
Would Trump come do that?
Would he have?

Speaker 4 (02:59:24):
done that Probably.
How come she didn't go on JoeRogan for a three-hour interview
?

Speaker 6 (02:59:30):
She wanted to limit it Right, she should have she
was asked to.
And I'm not saying she was aperfect candidate.
No, I'm not blaming her one bitbecause.

Speaker 4 (02:59:38):
I think she was behind the eight ball, right out
the gate.
And here's the other thing, andthat's unfortunate.

Speaker 2 (02:59:43):
She was given interview.

Speaker 3 (02:59:45):
Offers all the time and I know you guys don't really
follow Dave Ramsey but I do andhe interviewed Dave.

Speaker 5 (02:59:51):
Ramsey.
You don't know Dave Ramsey,financial guy.
He's in Rush Limbaugh.

Speaker 3 (02:59:56):
So anyway, he did an interview with Trump, but he
also offered it to Kamala andthey never responded.
Per fair election law Per fairelection law you have to offer
it.

Speaker 5 (03:00:09):
That's why Saturday Night Live is getting fired.

Speaker 3 (03:00:12):
It's not like we offered to interview Trump and
Harris and they ignored us,because we're just small town.

Speaker 4 (03:00:20):
Dave.
Ramsey has got millions theywould have been like it would
have been off the charts weshould have we should have
fucking invited him on here,right?

Speaker 6 (03:00:32):
you know what?

Speaker 4 (03:00:35):
I bet you Trump would call in.
I goddamn guarantee you if wetry to figure out how to extend
this courtesy to him he probablywould be, like, yeah, come on,
let's make sure we have thesystem working right first,
though.

Speaker 8 (03:00:46):
All right.

Speaker 3 (03:00:48):
And Trey has to be here to lead it, and he's the
one that's got to talk to him.

Speaker 6 (03:00:52):
Oh, I will.
Oh, that would be awesome.
That would be awesome.
I absolutely would.
That would be awesome.

Speaker 8 (03:00:57):
We'd have to close the post down for that one, so
we could do this there, man thatwould be great.

Speaker 6 (03:01:01):
I would love to interview that guy.
But, there's his invitation.

Speaker 4 (03:01:06):
You know, I honestly think you know she was behind
the eight ball.
The unfortunate part is shespent over a billion dollars.
I kept getting those messages,I think, on a lot of us that are
still neutral.
We might lean one way or theother, but we're still pretty.
We're just Americans.

Speaker 3 (03:01:23):
I'm very moderate.
We just want the best for thecountry.
I'm very moderate.

Speaker 4 (03:01:27):
Like I say in our House races, our Senate races, I
voted for Democrats this time,man, I voted for Obama before.

Speaker 3 (03:01:34):
I'm conservative all the way.

Speaker 4 (03:01:35):
I'm always right what's best for all of us.
What's your policies?

Speaker 5 (03:01:40):
Who are you?
Not me, because I think healthpolicies are jacked.

Speaker 4 (03:01:43):
There's things that you can do and can't do.
You can bring bills up.
They get shot down.
That's not your fault.
You brought them up, you triedto do this and it got shot down.
It's not your fault, but atleast you tried.
That's.
What I care about is the effort.
I think that her not winning aprimary.
I think during the Democratprimary she got like 10% of the
vote or 20% of the vote orsomething like that.

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It was really low.
She was not going to win aprimary.
I think that hurt her.
Then she just got gifted allthe way up to the VP.
I even hate to bring this up,that DEI stuff.

Speaker 8 (03:02:23):
I hate to say that's what it is you should be the
best person for the job, nomatter what.

Speaker 4 (03:02:28):
It should always be the best person for the job.

Speaker 2 (03:02:31):
I hire that way, trey hires that way.

Speaker 4 (03:02:34):
Your company hires that way, right?
I already looked at yourcredentials before I even met
you, and I already knew you werethe best candidate.
That's the way it should alwaysbe.
You do the same thing with yourapplications.

Speaker 2 (03:02:44):
You've worked at a dispo, or you're a cultivator,
you're a gardener, you'rewhatever, with all partner, you
or whatever with all thisexperience going in before they
even meet you.

Speaker 4 (03:02:51):
You know you're the best candidate, yep Right,
that's the way it should alwaysbe in anything.
And she was just behind theeight ball man and down to here.
They paid $20, $30 million tohave these celebrities come out,
oh Jesus Christ, and dointerviews and do this.

Speaker 3 (03:03:05):
I'm so tired of these celebrity things.

Speaker 6 (03:03:07):
Who cares.

Speaker 5 (03:03:11):
I don't give a that might sway a few people, but I
don't think it's swaying like.

Speaker 6 (03:03:15):
I don't give a fuck what Beyonce thinks.
I don't give a fuck what TaylorSwift thinks.
I don't give a shit what thosepeople think.
Matter of fact, matter of factyour job is to entertain.

Speaker 3 (03:03:28):
Stay in your arena.

Speaker 6 (03:03:29):
Matter of fact matter of fact, eminem, all of them.
The job is to entertain.
Stay in your arena, matter offact.
Matter of fact.
Yeah, look how that worked out,eminem all of them.

Speaker 5 (03:03:33):
I don't give a fuck Colin Kaepernick.
How'd that work out for him?

Speaker 6 (03:03:36):
Listen, I don't give a shit.

Speaker 5 (03:03:37):
What none of those people think Good player Should
have kept on the field.

Speaker 6 (03:03:41):
Further and say this they're fucking.
They're jumping in there andsupporting this candidate or
that candidate.
That turns me off from that.
So they're not actuallysupporting them.

Speaker 4 (03:03:55):
They're there to get paid.

Speaker 6 (03:03:56):
I know, I know that.

Speaker 4 (03:03:58):
They're not there other than the paycheck.

Speaker 1 (03:04:00):
Let's not forget that , because they would do it for
free if they really cared aboutthe person Exactly, but because
they're getting paid, it's justanother game.

Speaker 6 (03:04:06):
I mean, they paid $10 million to Beyonce, that's like
you.
They paid $10 million toBeyonce.

Speaker 4 (03:04:11):
We've got to pay you to be here because we don't like
you.

Speaker 6 (03:04:14):
Exactly the only reason why you're going to come
on, here is because you paid me.
So we can argue here you go,here's payment, this is
technically a fake video.

Speaker 4 (03:04:23):
I walked right into it.
This is technically a fakevideo.

Speaker 3 (03:04:28):
I think we're all going to agree on this one that
$10 million is ridiculous.
But the only reason that theyeven have that remote amount of
money is because corporationsare allowed to donate
politically.

Speaker 6 (03:04:39):
I think that is bullshit.
You do, oh yeah, corporationsdonating.

Speaker 5 (03:04:43):
I go one step further , because I think when I drive
by a business and I see a Harrisor a Trump sign or a political
sign, whatever it is, take theperson out.
Right Policy, not person.
But when I see a political signin a business environment, I
look at that and go you're afucking idiot.

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You are alienating and takinghalf of your business away just
because of your own personalfucking thought.
And look at Mike Lindell.
And taking half of yourbusiness away just because of
your own personal fuckingthought.
And look at Mike Lindell thepillow guy.
He's a smart guy.
How faffing stupid are you tolose half of your business.

(03:05:26):
Well, he's a pretty smart guy,but he got tied up in something
that he shouldn't have and hedid something stupid.
We all do stupid shit.

Speaker 3 (03:05:35):
And now he's not doing that great.

Speaker 4 (03:05:37):
You do more than the average.

Speaker 5 (03:05:38):
And he's struggling now because of it.
Keep your damn, and this kindof goes into the these
entertainers and footballplayers and sports people and
all this shit.
Keep that shit to yourself.

Speaker 4 (03:05:56):
This goes back to the NFL.
My stepdad when he run hisbusiness.

Speaker 5 (03:06:00):
There's no way in hell you would have ever seen a
political sign in front of hisbusiness.

Speaker 4 (03:06:05):
And you would have never talked to him.

Speaker 5 (03:06:08):
If you did talk to him you would never know who he
was voting for, because that washis personal thing, not his
business.

Speaker 4 (03:06:16):
So for me, when it comes to the NFL, and I'm pretty
sure Roy and probably a bunchof us here probably will agree
with this as veterans.
Right, don't bring politicsinto sports.

Speaker 2 (03:06:30):
Sports should always be neutral.
So should a concert.

Speaker 4 (03:06:35):
And even here at the Post we're so neutral.
We might lead one way.
We always have opinions Neutral.
I wouldn't say that.
But at the end of the day, whatdo we do?
We do what's in the bestinterest of veterans and of the
Post.
Regardless of what side of theaisle you're on, we always come
to the middle ground.
That's why we're having thisconversation tonight, because

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what we do is we care aboutveteran issues.

Speaker 5 (03:06:59):
If you want to see the other side, you can be here.
Right, right, yeah, and wewouldn't give you the
opportunity to say hey, whatever.

Speaker 7 (03:07:07):
Because if you got served down tomorrow, we would
be there to take care of yourfamily and you're probably
shocked 100%, but you shouldknow me well enough.

Speaker 4 (03:07:14):
Me being the guy that's always going to be on the
other side of the fence.
I'm going to be the devil'sadvocate.
You're probably surprised tohear I even voted for Democrats
this year.

Speaker 6 (03:07:25):
No, no, Really.
And the only reason I'm not isbecause we've talked about this
before and you've said I votedfor Obama twice.
I've heard that before from you.

Speaker 4 (03:07:36):
Okay, yeah, and I did it this year.
I voted for Slotkin overRodgers.
Right, there's this.
I vote on the person man, Idon't care.
You tell me your position, youtell me why you think, what you
think and if you somewhat.
Try to back it up what you'retelling me you're going to do.
I'll vote for you the next time.
If you tried and maybe youcouldn't get it to go through.

Speaker 3 (03:07:57):
We've said several times so far that we take the
person out of the politics andwe vote on the issues, and I
said to you that I am liberal onhealth care policy.

Speaker 4 (03:08:08):
I'm definitely socially liberal.

Speaker 3 (03:08:10):
For sure, fiscally conservative, but socially I
don't care if you want a hundredpotatoes.
That's why I voted for Obama.

Speaker 5 (03:08:17):
So you're more libertarian then?

Speaker 4 (03:08:19):
really yeah, and the reason why is because I don't
want to see this yeah but theproblem in our two-party fucked
up.

Speaker 7 (03:08:25):
System is libertarian will never ever have a chance,
I agree.

Speaker 4 (03:08:28):
That's the problem.

Speaker 7 (03:08:32):
But if you go through , like my wife reads, it's like
the party of women votercandidates, Women's League kind
of thing.
They go through and theyinterview all these candidates
statewide.
They try and get their viewsand their opinions.
And you go through and you readsome of these third party green
and libert.
Read some of these third partyyou know green and libertarian

(03:08:54):
and so like all these othercandidates 100% agree with
everything they say.
And you're sitting there likeman.
This person aligns exactly withme, but that person will never
ever, ever stand a chance inthis stupid two parties.

Speaker 4 (03:09:07):
So did you see the way Germany votes?
So you kind of rank when you goto vote Ranked choice voting.

Speaker 3 (03:09:14):
You kind of rank choice voting?

Speaker 4 (03:09:15):
One, two, three.
It's so weird.
Well, it might even be five six, seven, eight and the person
this round with the less votesgets eliminated.

Speaker 2 (03:09:23):
The next round of voting.

Speaker 4 (03:09:24):
So, like you go through and your ballot you put
like this is my number oneperson, my number two person, my
number two person, and theytake that ballot.

Speaker 5 (03:09:32):
Oh, and they do a round-robin tally it's almost
like a round-robin.
Interesting.

Speaker 1 (03:09:36):
Yeah, so like if you put the.

Speaker 4 (03:09:38):
Libertarian as your one, and a bunch of people did
it.
They might knock out the nextperson and the next person.
It takes forever for the votingto go through, but you rank
every single person and thenyour vote automatically goes to
your second or third choice.

Speaker 3 (03:09:52):
That's wild.
It's weird the way it works.

Speaker 5 (03:09:54):
One of the smartest guys I went to when I was at mid
one of the smartest instructorsthat.
I had he was going firstdoctorate.
He's got his doctorate now.
He was libertarian and we wouldsit for hours in his office
after class and discuss thisshit, but we're a two-party
country.

Speaker 4 (03:10:15):
And debated, voting for the lesser of two evil.

Speaker 7 (03:10:17):
Essentially yeah, If you go with that third party,
you're throwing away a Modisystem.

Speaker 3 (03:10:23):
There is a new party that's forming, it's in the
process and they call it theForward Party and that party as
a whole is, was the Obama slogan, was Ford Hope and change.
Hope and change.

Speaker 4 (03:10:39):
Maybe that was.
Was it Clinton's?

Speaker 3 (03:10:41):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (03:10:44):
Somebody had Ford.

Speaker 3 (03:10:45):
But anyway, they're saying that the Forward Party
combines liberals andconservatives, but their party
platform calls for ranked choicevoting.

Speaker 4 (03:10:56):
That'd be interesting .
Don't we have a state that doesthat?
I think Maine does.

Speaker 5 (03:11:03):
New Mexico.
I've never heard of that before.
Wow, that's pretty wild.

Speaker 4 (03:11:08):
So if you have six people running for president
Obama, your forward was Obama,your forward was Obama, forward
was Obama.
I thought somebody had forward.

Speaker 3 (03:11:16):
Hey type in states that do ranked choice voting.
I thought we had one.

Speaker 4 (03:11:21):
I've never heard that .
I know, germany does it thatway.
That's interesting.

Speaker 3 (03:11:26):
And then the UK has an interesting one.
They don't do ranked choicevoting but by national popular
vote, like how they, becausethey've got like five different
parties, but who you know.
For us we have the two parties,but however many seats is
allotted based on who gets thevotes, I don't care if you use

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Wikipedia.

Speaker 5 (03:11:48):
So how many do you guys think Kennedy would have
had any chance at all if hedidn't have such a speech in
federal?

Speaker 4 (03:11:54):
I thought we had one that doesn't.

Speaker 3 (03:11:56):
Alaska some statewide elections?
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (03:12:00):
Because, a lot of the things he said made a ton of
sense, but it was so difficultto listen to it.

Speaker 3 (03:12:08):
You almost kicked that down again.

Speaker 5 (03:12:14):
Listen, I'm way past your bedtime I'll probably have
to get going.

Speaker 6 (03:12:17):
I want to leave you guys with this.

Speaker 5 (03:12:21):
This is honestly.
Is it from?

Speaker 6 (03:12:22):
the heart.
That's what I wanted to say.
It is from the heart.
This is why I will never votefor Trump and never support him.

Speaker 5 (03:12:29):
This is where it started, he's done.
Good for you, man, you don'thave to.
This is where it started, he'sdone, I know, man.
He's done.
Good for you, man, you don'thave to worry yet We'll see.

Speaker 6 (03:12:35):
We'll see.
I'm going to play this, I'mgoing to play this, and I just
want you guys to hear it.

Speaker 5 (03:12:42):
Is this a country music, John?

Speaker 9 (03:12:44):
Oh boy, trump makes my life difficult.
15,000 crazies show up, crazies.
He called them all crazy.
I said they weren't crazy.
They were great Americans,these people.
If you would have seen thesepeople, you I know what crazy is
.
I know all about crazies.
These weren't crazy, so heinsulted me and he insulted
everybody in that room and Isaid somebody should run against

(03:13:06):
John McCain, who has been, youknow, in my opinion, not so hot.
And I supported him.
I supported him for president.
I raised a million dollars forhim.
It's a lot of money.
I supported him.
He lost, he let us down.
So I became boys against thepolice, so I never liked him as
much after that because I don'tlike him as much.
But Frank, Frank, let me get toit.
He hit me, he's not a war hero.

Speaker 5 (03:13:26):
He's a war hero.

Speaker 9 (03:13:27):
He's a war hero because he was captured.
Put it on the speaker.
I like people that weren'tcaptured, okay, I hate to tell
you he was a war hero.
He was a war hero because hewas captured.

Speaker 6 (03:13:37):
I like war heroes that were not captured, john
McCain also turned his back onus, yeah.

Speaker 4 (03:13:44):
John McCain should have just switched parties.

Speaker 5 (03:13:46):
McCain's shitting on him bigger than his daughter did
Are.
Are you talking?

Speaker 3 (03:13:48):
about this right here , do you?

Speaker 5 (03:13:52):
realize.

Speaker 6 (03:13:53):
The thumbs down that John McCain.

Speaker 4 (03:13:56):
I didn't even vote for John McCain.
As a veteran, do you realize?
John McCain told.

Speaker 5 (03:14:03):
Sarah Palin to quit campaigning because she was
becoming more popular than him.

Speaker 6 (03:14:10):
I never heard that yeah she was not even allowed.

Speaker 5 (03:14:13):
She had to quit campaigning here in Michigan
because she was doing betterthan him and it pissed him off.

Speaker 4 (03:14:20):
So let me ask you a question Before you walk out
what do you think about JD Vanceas a veteran?

Speaker 5 (03:14:27):
Fucking jarhead.

Speaker 4 (03:14:29):
Yeah, he was just a photo journalist or whatever the
fuck he was, but still, hestill served overseas.
So, shit I'd love him to.
If you're listening to this,join Post 33.

Speaker 5 (03:14:39):
I like him actually.

Speaker 4 (03:14:40):
We will make you a life member.

Speaker 5 (03:14:42):
I listened to a lot of the things he said.

Speaker 4 (03:14:45):
I'm just curious because, as a veteran on the
other side, I want to know whathe feels about it.

Speaker 6 (03:14:49):
I watched his debate with with Walz and I was like
Jesus Christ, why can't we havethese two fucking running versus
the two we?

Speaker 2 (03:14:58):
have.
Give it four more years.

Speaker 4 (03:15:01):
Well, you know what the good thing is In four years,
you'll have one of those tworunning.

Speaker 6 (03:15:06):
I can tell you that.

Speaker 7 (03:15:07):
McCain voted at least 28 times against veterans'
benefits, including health care.
Mccain was the only senator inAmerica to skip the vote on the
21st century GI.
Bill McCain opposed the $500million bill for counseling
services for veterans withmental health disorders
attributed to the militaryservice.
Mccain voted against $44.3billion for veterans' programs

(03:15:28):
and McCain voted against $47billion for the Department of
Veterans Affairs.

Speaker 6 (03:15:33):
So he's, a fucking loser Hold on.
I'm going to hit you with.
That's all out of context.
Is what you guys always say no,no, it's not.

Speaker 5 (03:15:40):
Those are facts.

Speaker 6 (03:15:41):
We don't know why he did what he did.
It doesn't matter.
He still voted against us.
But here's the.

Speaker 5 (03:15:46):
Thing.

Speaker 4 (03:15:47):
Here's an Uncle Tom, but that's a mystery.
Here's an Uncle Tom Whoa, whoa,whoa John.
Uncle Tom McKay.

Speaker 3 (03:15:52):
Hold on, I'm going to play devil's advocate.
So if he did vote against usbecause of whatever reason, the
reason is going to be because hedidn't agree with the rest of
the bill which is also a majorissue on Capitol Hill, where
they just like to pack thefreaking pig and then pass it
through to save time becausenone of them want to do their

(03:16:13):
jobs.
I agree.

Speaker 6 (03:16:16):
Here's my thing.
You can think what you wantabout John McCain as far as his
record as a senator or whatever.
He was Congressman, senator, hewas a senator, but here is an
undeniable fact that John McCainwas a fucking war hero.

Speaker 5 (03:16:34):
He was a hero.
All six of us in this room area war hero, except for.

Speaker 6 (03:16:41):
Tech.

Speaker 5 (03:16:42):
I'm just joking.
Okay, there's some exceptionsto every rule.

Speaker 6 (03:16:45):
I'm joking, but you know.

Speaker 3 (03:16:49):
John McCain.

Speaker 2 (03:16:51):
I'm just glad I got through that joke.

Speaker 5 (03:16:53):
Maybe not to that extent.

Speaker 3 (03:16:55):
For Donald.

Speaker 4 (03:16:56):
Fucking nurse.
We'll allow you in nurse.
Male nurse, Medic Mercy Gaylordfucker.

Speaker 6 (03:17:06):
That's actually been his name For Donald Trump, who
never served anything but hisfucking self in his whole life,
and his kids never servednothing.
For him to denigrate theservice of one of our, in my
opinion, one of our greatest warheroes and I say that because

(03:17:30):
he was a fucking POW for yearsand years and years, I'll agree
with that For him to denigratethat man in his service
unforgivable, unforgivable in myopinion.

Speaker 4 (03:17:42):
So the other thing and maybe this is the reason why
he said what he said is whenthat war hero turns his back on
his own, maybe it's justifiedfor those comments there's a
reason why I didn't vote forJohn McCain because of the way
he turned his back on us.
As one of us, I agree, Right.
So you want to call CandaceOwens and Uncle Tom.

Speaker 6 (03:18:06):
Right.

Speaker 4 (03:18:06):
Because, she turns her back on you guys, right.
Touche we see it the same waywhen John McCain turns his back
on us Get fucked.

Speaker 6 (03:18:15):
Now okay, he turned his back on us.
He didn't turn his back onDonald Trump, because Donald
Trump never served.

Speaker 1 (03:18:24):
He doesn't know nothing about serving.

Speaker 6 (03:18:27):
But I can assure you of this Donald Trump did not
know about John McCain's votingrecord when he said what he said
.
Are you sure I'm absolutely,fucking, 100% positive?

Speaker 4 (03:18:39):
I would doubt that, because that guy's a lot smarter
than what you think he is.

Speaker 2 (03:18:42):
I highly doubt that.
I really would highly doubtthat I would too.

Speaker 6 (03:18:45):
Nope, so the fact that you're going to, okay, wait
a minute, wait a minute.

Speaker 8 (03:19:02):
We're going to wait for your theories to come down.
I see the spaceship, so, so sothe you know, I just noticed
something I kind of like thecolor of his sweatshirt.

Speaker 5 (03:19:08):
Not only that, but it's a Republican red yeah, I'm
a gift you all want.

Speaker 7 (03:19:16):
Still waiting on my hat Six years ago.

Speaker 6 (03:19:22):
There was that instance.
Right there was him with theGold Star family and insulting
the Gold Star family.
Who did Trump?
I would love to see that.

Speaker 5 (03:19:31):
Gold Star family.
Who did Trump?
Yeah, I would love to see that.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 6 (03:19:35):
The Khan family.
The Khan family.
I would like to know what thatis Trump and the Khan family, so
I had a gentleman I work with.

Speaker 4 (03:19:44):
I'd love to hear it, because I don't know this I had
a gentleman I worked with theother day that told me that he
heard a video.

Speaker 5 (03:19:53):
Or he heard I don't know if he's seen the video or
what of jd uh vance bashingwomen or something of that
nature, and I says, well, wait aminute, where was that video
because I didn't see that.
Maybe I need to, you know.
Yeah yeah, my thought processhere and he goes well I I'm not
sure where it's at here and hegoes well, I'm not sure where
it's at, so you don't have anyrecollection of this video

(03:20:15):
whatsoever, but yet you're goingto tell this to me.
I still don't know the videothat he's referring to, because
he didn't have any contact tohim, but he spouted it off
because it's something he heardon whatever he heard.

Speaker 3 (03:20:31):
I'm not saying this is a biased person, because I do
hear usually one side of thenews, which is why I committed
to do the ground news thing.

Speaker 5 (03:20:41):
Yeah, because I want to know these things.

Speaker 3 (03:20:43):
I do.

Speaker 5 (03:20:44):
If this is the case, because I know there's been a
lot of things that Trump hassaid kind of like oh love the
poorly educated.

Speaker 4 (03:20:52):
Well, if you hear it in no, that was Biden and Kamala
Harris that said that.

Speaker 5 (03:20:57):
No, I heard it.
Sean Hannity plays it every dayin his intro.
I think when you get to, all ofthat was Unfortunately I don't
know, so I looked it up one day.
I looked it up and he wassaying I love people and the
poorly educated, I love thepoorly educated.
He was meaning people.
He wasn't bashing peoplebecause they were uneducated.

(03:21:20):
It was a bad way to say what hewas trying to say yes, but it
wasn't taken and said the way hesaid it, it's always taken out
of context.

Speaker 7 (03:21:32):
It's taken out of context, I think it's just like
and all those upper echelons ofthe politics, though, I mean the
military, is just used as apawn.
Oh, of course you know what?
Usually is you can go back toBiden with the Afghanistan
ordeal when he's standing at thefunerals and he's looking at
his watches like in, hurry up,get this shit over with.
Yep, they've all done it, man.
Yep, yeah, they'll always do it, fortunately, and they can,

(03:21:55):
they will yeah.

Speaker 4 (03:21:56):
They'll always do it.

Speaker 7 (03:21:57):
It's not going to stop.

Speaker 5 (03:21:58):
Well, it's just like I said.
I don't know if I mentionedearlier if it was on the podcast
or not, but 85% of the newscoverage of Trump is negative to
72%, and I may have the numbersa little off, but it's pretty
damn close.
But 72% of what was coveredwith Harris was positive.
When you have that huge of aswing, that one is negative and

(03:22:20):
one is positive.

Speaker 4 (03:22:20):
You look at the view to this day.
The view is terrible.
You get that sunny lady onthere going what's wrong?
Who the fuck watches the view alot of people because they're
still on fucking TV.
If that show wasn't inviewership, I can't say what's
wrong.
Who the fuck?

Speaker 2 (03:22:32):
watches the View A lot of people, because they're
still on fucking TV If that showwasn't in viewership.

Speaker 6 (03:22:34):
I can't say that I've ever, ever watched the Fucking
View.

Speaker 4 (03:22:38):
But you get Sonny on there bitching and complaining
that America's fucked up andthis is the problem, and that's
the problem.

Speaker 5 (03:22:45):
Whoopi Goldberg and all that.

Speaker 4 (03:22:48):
Here's the issue Back , but here's the issue.

Speaker 6 (03:22:50):
Back to the con.

Speaker 4 (03:22:51):
Somebody comes on that wants to answer this.
I love the gold star comment.
Yeah, what is it?

Speaker 8 (03:22:55):
He just said that he was talking to the widow of Army
Sergeant David Johnson.
He knew what he signed up for,but I guess it still hurt.
That's what I'm seeing, then heknew what he signed up for.

Speaker 6 (03:23:09):
That's not the con thing.
But.

Speaker 4 (03:23:10):
I guess it still hurts.

Speaker 8 (03:23:12):
Yeah, there's the Gold Star family.

Speaker 6 (03:23:15):
But there was another Gold Star family, the Khans.
That doesn't sound bad.

Speaker 4 (03:23:17):
So essentially, we all did the same thing.
I mean for all the viewers onlive tonight or the people that
listen to this right.
So I am for my family.
I am the last of the generation.
Now.
I have my son right.
My parents had to sign thewaiver and I had to sign the
waiver before I went to Iraq.

Speaker 2 (03:23:35):
Right.

Speaker 4 (03:23:35):
And Bahrain.
That said, if I die, right,it's like the saving private
rights thing, right, there's oneleft right.
We had to sign the waiver forme to go saying if I'm killed,
the lineage of my family dieswith me.
Yeah, right Now it dies with me.
Right now it dies with my son.
He better have a whole bunch ofboys.
So for him I'm like dude, youbetter get the wick dipping.

Speaker 1 (03:23:57):
Let's get her going.

Speaker 5 (03:23:58):
My family's gone.

Speaker 4 (03:24:00):
But what I'm saying is my sister.

Speaker 5 (03:24:03):
She loses the name.
I didn't have any kids.
My oldest brother had adaughter.
My second brother had twodaughters.
I have a daughter.
I brother had two daughters.
I mean is one and I have adaughter.

Speaker 3 (03:24:15):
I don't have a son, so my name ends you know, yep,
and I don't know.
You know, and my in my dad'sdaughter actually.

Speaker 1 (03:24:24):
Jen, my dad's other brother, jen just messaged about
the no next to kid.

Speaker 2 (03:24:34):
Right, so we all signed up, knowing what could
happen.

Speaker 4 (03:24:39):
I didn't expect it because we didn't have a war
going on Right, but still when Ihad to deploy in 2000 to go
over there.

Speaker 5 (03:24:45):
We had to sign that stuff.
What is this gold star?
What did you find?

Speaker 8 (03:24:52):
K-A-H-N-I-F-A-N-S.

Speaker 5 (03:24:54):
I found the New York Times article.
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (03:24:57):
Donald Trump belittled the parents of a slain
Muslim soldier who had stronglydenounced Mr Trump during the
Democratic National Convention,saying that the soldier's father
had delivered the entire speechbecause his mother was not
allowed to speak, which is theirculture.
Trust me, the soldier's fatherhad delivered the entire speech
because his mother was notallowed to speak.

Speaker 4 (03:25:13):
So, um Well, which is their culture?
Trust me, For all of us thathave been over there, we all
know.

Speaker 5 (03:25:20):
I'm not hearing where Trump.
What did Trump?
Say what did he do?

Speaker 6 (03:25:23):
I didn't hear yeah, we're waiting.
Just relax God, it's just somuch.

Speaker 4 (03:25:28):
Put your ADHD in the back pocket.

Speaker 5 (03:25:30):
Gotta have it right now, mr.

Speaker 6 (03:25:31):
Trump's comments in an interview with George
Stephanopoulos of ABC News thatwill air on Sunday drew quick
and widespread condemnation andamplified calls for Republican
leaders to distance themselvesfrom their presidential nominee,
with his implication thatsoldiers' mothers had not smoked
because of female subservienceexpected in some traditional

(03:25:54):
strains of Islam.
His comments also inflamed hishostilities with American
Muslims.
Qasir Khan, the soldier'sfather, lashed out at Mr Trump
in an interview on Saturday,saying his wife had not spoken
at the convention because it wastoo painful for her to talk
about her son's death, mr Trumpsaid.
Mr Trump, he said, is devoid offeeling the pain of a mother

(03:26:19):
who has sacrificed her son.
True.

Speaker 4 (03:26:22):
So wait a minute, I'm going to stop you, right there
real quick.
I mean that's kind of pretty itis.
That's a bullshit articlebecause we all know.
When I was in Bahrain 100% factand I don't care what you tell
me I watched two adult men olderthan me by far, so they were in
their 40s probably and I was inmy 20s holding hands walking

(03:26:45):
down the street and their wivesin full burqa, just eyes showing
, walking several, several stepsbehind them.
They are subservient.
So if they're truly Muslim,she's not going to pull up to a
microphone and say a fuckingword.
That is not her job, not herplace or nothing in their

(03:27:07):
culture.
And if we're supposed to beaccepting of other cultures and
the way they do things.
Any liberal should 100% agree.
She shouldn't say a fuckingword and she shouldn't even be
seen in public.
She should be cloaked in 10steps behind her husband.

Speaker 5 (03:27:22):
That's her place in our culture, that's in their
culture.

Speaker 4 (03:27:25):
Absolutely so.
What he said is 100% true.
I've seen it, I've been there,and unless a motherfucker has
been there and walked in theshoes that I was in or been
there, they have no right to saywhat they want to say.
Just like I shouldn't say whata woman's reproductive rights
are because I'm a male, I don'thave it either.

Speaker 6 (03:27:45):
I'm cool.
If they want to abort kids, Idon't complain about that.
So you and the Supreme Courtshould not be.
Men in the Supreme Court shouldnot be deciding what women do
with their bodies.

Speaker 4 (03:27:55):
No, what they do is they give that right to the
voters of the states to decidewhat they want to do.

Speaker 5 (03:28:00):
That goes back to the peak.

Speaker 4 (03:28:02):
Now here's the issue.
So say it's a male issue.
Should females be able to votein that?

Speaker 6 (03:28:08):
No, has that ever came up?

Speaker 4 (03:28:13):
No, but I'm just saying if it is right.
So you're saying reproductiverights are women, but we all
have the right to vote.
So now where do we make thedistinction on who can vote on
what?
Because, no offense, I own myhouse.
So does that mean my wife getsto vote on property taxes or
anything else?
She's not the owner of thehouse.
I'm the owner of the house.
So somebody lives in anapartment building or you're

(03:28:33):
renters, like Merck.
Should he be able to vote onproperty taxes or anything else.

Speaker 1 (03:28:39):
He's a renter.
He's not the owner he doesn'tpay him.

Speaker 4 (03:28:41):
He does right.
No, he doesn't.
He can vote.
He's not the owner of theproperty.

Speaker 6 (03:28:45):
I know he's not, but he can vote right he should be
able to, because he's not theowner.

Speaker 4 (03:28:50):
I'm not the owner of a uterus, but does that mean I
don't get the right to vote onit?
How do you make that decision?
Exactly my point, right.

Speaker 1 (03:28:57):
So you're going to make a decision.

Speaker 4 (03:28:59):
You're going to make a decision on.
Can a guy in the Supreme Courtmake a decision for a woman?
Should it only be the women onthe Supreme Court that make the
decision?
Should it only be the womenvoters in the state of Michigan
make the decision?
Yeah, okay, so if you live inan apartment.

Speaker 8 (03:29:14):
I can see this going really bad, and I'll give you an
example of that.

Speaker 4 (03:29:16):
But I mean, if you live in an apartment, you
shouldn't vote on what my taxesare.

Speaker 5 (03:29:20):
What about helmet law ?
I pay them.
If you don't ride a motorcycle,should you get to vote on
whether or not you wear a helmetwhen you ride your motorcycle?

Speaker 4 (03:29:27):
You're sober.
Do You're sober?
Do you get to vote on what theDUI laws are Because you don't
drink?
I mean, we could hack thisthing to death.
It's ridiculous.

Speaker 3 (03:29:36):
So you can't say that some people can vote on some
things and people can't vote onother things.

Speaker 6 (03:29:42):
Right, but nobody knows.
I mean us as men.

Speaker 4 (03:29:46):
I wish we had a woman up here.
Well, we need to get Krista uphere.
I'd love to have Krista up here, but she's got like three kids.
Yeah, it's crazy as a singlemom, right?
Yeah, with twins, yeah, haveher vote in.

Speaker 5 (03:29:59):
Have her call in.

Speaker 3 (03:30:00):
Natalie says you should run for president Me.
Yeah, I don't know.
That's what she said.
Ask her.

Speaker 4 (03:30:05):
Why, Natalie?
Why should I run?
Because I'm really curious.

Speaker 3 (03:30:08):
How important 2020?
How not and here's the otherthing about like taking Merck,
for example, as your renter.
If he pays for a higherproperty tax, he's definitely my
VP, for sure.
Yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 2 (03:30:19):
You ain't even going to get outranked.

Speaker 4 (03:30:22):
Absolutely Negative.
Wait a minute.
Wait a minute.
Didn't we talk about the houseguys earlier?

Speaker 6 (03:30:32):
Hey, why did you?

Speaker 4 (03:30:32):
got to bring me into this.
It won't be me.
Wait a minute, why do you?

Speaker 5 (03:30:34):
got to bring me into this.

Speaker 4 (03:30:35):
No, no, I'm talking about the house, boys.
We're going back to the slave,the house, His last name House.
Yeah, I know I get what you'resaying, man, you need to put
those landing coogles down.
You're getting turned up.

Speaker 5 (03:30:49):
You go back in there and get those bushes, natalie.

Speaker 6 (03:30:55):
Hold up, Natalie.
You know what Charlie's firstorder of business is going to do
he's going to deport your assback to where you came from.

Speaker 4 (03:31:04):
No, no, wait a minute .
I'm not saying that.
Don't look at me.
I have no idea what thecircumstances are.
How do you know she's?

Speaker 6 (03:31:14):
an illegal.
What's that?
Because her last name is Lopez,she's not illegal.

Speaker 4 (03:31:17):
Oh, this is Ray's wife.

Speaker 6 (03:31:19):
She's not yet Manly.

Speaker 4 (03:31:19):
Lopez.
All right, then.
Hopefully you and Ray andlittle Benji are watching
tonight.
Awesome yeah.

Speaker 3 (03:31:26):
No, 100%.

Speaker 4 (03:31:27):
And these are those open-ass conversations we've got
to have Going back to usingMerck as an example.

Speaker 3 (03:31:32):
If he votes for millage or whatever on property
tax, you are going to raise hisrent to cover that right, so
indirectly.
But he's not Right Because he'snot on the deed.

Speaker 4 (03:31:44):
Hmm, not on the deed, you have to.
So I'm the father, I'm thefather of your kid okay, I'm the
father of your kid.

Speaker 7 (03:31:49):
Okay, trey, you fucked up.

Speaker 4 (03:31:54):
What gives you the right to abort my kid?
What gives you the right tokill my kid?
Because here's the instance.
Okay, I've had a couple beerstonight and I drive home and I
crash into a car and I kill apregnant woman and her child.
Do I get charged as doublehomicide or single homicide?
The argument is is that a kid?
Or not, I don't know, becauseif you can abort it at six weeks
and you're not getting chargedwith murder.

(03:32:18):
It's not a kid.
You can abort it at 24 weeksand it's not a kid because
you're not charged with murderfor aborting your kid.
But I kill you at 24 weeks in acar accident.
I get charged with doublemurder.
That's true, because you'repregnant, so you can't have it
both ways.
Okay, I get charged with doublemurder.
That's true Because you'repregnant, so you can't have it
both ways.
Okay, I should only be chargedwith one.
How about?

Speaker 6 (03:32:37):
this?
How about this?
How about this If you're drunkdriving and you kill the mother
and the baby, but she was on herway to the abortion clinic?
Are you still getting thecharge.

Speaker 3 (03:32:53):
Can we stop splitting hairs here?
We've got to figure it out.
These are the issues.

Speaker 2 (03:33:00):
It's not cut and dry.

Speaker 4 (03:33:02):
No, it's not.
It always, unfortunately,shades.
Your wife gets pregnant.
She wants to abort the baby,but you want to be a father.
Why don't you have rights tosay but you want to be a father.
So why don't you have rights tosay, no, I want to be a dad.

Speaker 5 (03:33:14):
Well, that's the original Roe v Wade.
Right there, that's theoriginal Roe v Wade.

Speaker 4 (03:33:19):
So she gets to determine if you need to become
a father or not.

Speaker 5 (03:33:23):
So what about?
Let's flip that coin, though.
What if the woman wants thechild and the man doesn't?
Where's his right to abort, towalk away?
It's not.
He doesn't have that right.

Speaker 4 (03:33:34):
Now you're on the hook for 18 years.

Speaker 5 (03:33:35):
Yeah, but he doesn't have that right.

Speaker 4 (03:33:38):
It's so shaded and this is unfortunate, but this is
the conversation that has to behappening.
Is that it's so shaded towhatever the woman wants?

Speaker 2 (03:33:46):
not ever to what the father wants.

Speaker 4 (03:33:48):
So you talk about father's rights compared to
mother's rights or whatever.
Yep, you know these are thosetough conversations as veterans
or as Americans we have to have,because everything is slanted
always one way too heavy thanthe other.

Speaker 5 (03:34:02):
And yeah, it's always a one-way slant no matter what
it is.
It shouldn't be.

Speaker 3 (03:34:07):
The other thing.
There is a comment from Tab.
We've got to define what itmeans to be alive.
Is it a heartbeat, brainfunction, et cetera, et cetera.
So one of the things thatwhat's his?

Speaker 5 (03:34:20):
name, so that gets into.

Speaker 3 (03:34:21):
Kevorkian Rand Paul I think it's Rand Paul.
Yeah, Rand Paul, he'sconsistently in every Congress
has put forth the Life atConception Act.
Okay, Meaning that?
Federally it would berecognized that life is defined
as conception.
But when's that happening?

(03:34:43):
I don't know.
But the point is we'resplitting hairs, and that's
another question.

Speaker 5 (03:34:49):
And that's why Charlie mentioned something
about eight weeks or six weeksearlier and he said, no, that's
not long enough.
Yeah, that's another question,and that's why Charlie mentioned
something about eight weeks orsix weeks earlier and he says,
no, that's not long enough.

Speaker 4 (03:34:55):
Yeah, that's exactly what Trump said.
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 3 (03:34:58):
But me personally, when you're talking about
defining what life means.
So in biology class, we learnedabout how cells separate,
reproduce and separate into morecells, right, Would you say?
Or not say that that cell isalive to some degree?

Speaker 4 (03:35:14):
Well, so let me ask you a question, and is that also
not?

Speaker 3 (03:35:16):
how a child is formed , even at the earliest stages.

Speaker 4 (03:35:20):
So I would have to go back to a scientist that looks
at enzymes or something else.
At what point does a scientistdetermine an enzyme that splits
or does whatever become a livingbeing?
Right?
Is it cells that divide?
Is it whatever?

Speaker 8 (03:35:35):
Well, haven't they already kind of defined this
when we started looking underspace?
We look at another planet.
How do they define there's lifeon that planet?

Speaker 4 (03:35:42):
Yeah, one set of organisms.
Yeah, it's a bunch of organisms, our life.

Speaker 8 (03:35:45):
So why isn't there the same definition?

Speaker 7 (03:35:49):
We got a comment from Natalie Uh-oh.
We got a comment from NatalieUh oh.
She says can women tell you toget a vasectomy because she
doesn't want to take birthcontrol?
Boom.

Speaker 4 (03:35:59):
We can, but there's options, right, there's a
thousand ways to beat this deadhorse.
Either don't have sex, wear acondom, wear a dam.

Speaker 6 (03:36:09):
Condoms don't always work.

Speaker 5 (03:36:10):
Condoms don't always work, and this is my argument
there's only one tried and trueway to prevent birth.

Speaker 2 (03:36:20):
And that is.

Speaker 5 (03:36:20):
Anal no no no.

Speaker 2 (03:36:23):
No, no, no no.

Speaker 3 (03:36:26):
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, he's
wrong.
He is wrong.
There is a documented case ofanal leading to pregnancy.
There is a documented case.

Speaker 4 (03:36:37):
It's my son Andrew.
What about in the mouth?
I apologize.
Oh, Jen, listen to me, I am Amy.
Amy, if he's listening too.

Speaker 6 (03:36:46):
That was a good one.
I was getting somewhere.

Speaker 2 (03:36:49):
I blew it up.

Speaker 6 (03:36:50):
Okay so.
I remember.
Now Natalie said can women tellyou?

Speaker 2 (03:37:00):
you're going to get a vasectomy.

Speaker 4 (03:37:03):
I'm going to get a text from you.

Speaker 5 (03:37:05):
Yeah, your shit's going to blow up in a minute
Nice knowing you man Niceknowing you man.

Speaker 3 (03:37:13):
So listen.
His phone starts buzzing.
You're like, oh shit.

Speaker 4 (03:37:15):
If I'm hanging from the Trump 2024 flag.

Speaker 5 (03:37:20):
There goes Charlie.
2028.

Speaker 3 (03:37:24):
Sorry, natalie got to choose somebody else.
He's not going to make it.
He's not going to make it.

Speaker 6 (03:37:29):
And this is my problem with where we're heading
with this movement.
Right, it's going towards thesereligious fundamentalists.
Sorry, Brett, but it's goingtowards that.
Hold on.

Speaker 4 (03:37:45):
You're a church guy, I know I can tell you this.
He's not, I can tell you this.

Speaker 6 (03:37:50):
I can tell you this that in Poland, where there are
a bunch of religiousfundamentalists, that it is
illegal for a woman to go in andsay I need my tubes tied
Illegal, but you and I as menLuckily we don't live in Poland,
you and I as men, but this iswhere we're going you and I, as
men, can go in there and say Iwant a vasectomy, no problem, no

(03:38:17):
bullshit.
That's the way it is and that'sthe way it's heading in this
country because the religiousfundamentalists.
Brent, they want to do.
Not only do they want to doaway with Church attendance is
down.

Speaker 5 (03:38:28):
Where the hell are you?

Speaker 6 (03:38:30):
Not only do they want to do away with abortion, they
want to do away withcontraception period no condoms,
no birth control.

Speaker 5 (03:38:40):
You're out here on the way out to the street.

Speaker 4 (03:38:43):
Because Trump actually came out and said I'm
going to make it mandatory thatyour insurance company pays for.

Speaker 6 (03:38:49):
If Trump told you he had a 12-inch penis, would you?

Speaker 5 (03:38:53):
believe it, he'd be out of his need.

Speaker 2 (03:38:56):
So fast you wouldn't believe it.

Speaker 4 (03:38:58):
Stop.

Speaker 3 (03:39:00):
The ACA did that.
Obamacare mandatedcontraceptive coverage, and it
wasn't until the case with HobbyLobby that they had the choice
to decide whether or not theircoverage would do it or not.
So, in other words, they hadthe choice to decide whether or
not their coverage would do itor not.
So, in other words, they putthe choice in the hands of the
people who are paying for thecoverage.
You've got to follow the money,man.

Speaker 4 (03:39:21):
Okay, so here's the deal.
Here's the deal.
Tell them about the money.
It's always about the money.
And listen, I hope I'm wrong.
And when?

Speaker 2 (03:39:25):
they want to ban anything federally.

Speaker 6 (03:39:28):
They always.
I hope I'm wrong.

Speaker 4 (03:39:33):
You will be wrong.

Speaker 3 (03:39:33):
No, I mean to be honest with you.
When they want to ban anythingfederally, they always ban the
use of federal dollars.
They don't ban the action, theyban the use of money.
Yes, right, Without moneyyou're nothing.

Speaker 5 (03:39:43):
Pull the purse strings.
Baby Prostitution here's theissue with the.

Speaker 1 (03:39:47):
Hobby Lobby decision.

Speaker 4 (03:39:50):
Your employer is paying your health care If they
decide we're religious.
We're not going to abide bythese things, Okay.
As the employee what are youroptions?
Either I continue to work thereand pay my own way, or I leave
and work somewhere else.

Speaker 3 (03:40:09):
Or go to your local.
You have an option.
Or go to your local.

Speaker 4 (03:40:11):
You have an option or go to your local health
department and get freecontraception.
So I actually screwed withAndrew.

Speaker 3 (03:40:20):
Or Planned Parenthood .

Speaker 4 (03:40:21):
I went on to Central Michigan Community Health or
whatever it was and you can sendanonymous packages.
So I got a bunch of hisbuddies' addresses right
packages.
So I got a bunch of his buddiesaddresses right and I went
online and I filled out like forfree condoms, free lube, free
STD tests and I sent them to allhis buddies.

(03:40:43):
Oh, I did.
I sent them to all his buddieswhen they were like 16 or 17
years old and they were liketheir parents were on Facebook.
I was on.

Speaker 1 (03:40:48):
Facebook years ago going.

Speaker 4 (03:40:48):
Jesus Christ.
We got this package fromCommunity.

Speaker 1 (03:40:50):
Middle Health, so I knew the kid's name.
They, their parents, were on.

Speaker 4 (03:40:51):
Facebook.
When I was on Facebook yearsago going Jesus Christ, we got
this package from CommunityMental Health.
The kids named it.
They opened it.
It was like a bunch of lube andcondoms.

Speaker 8 (03:40:59):
And.

Speaker 4 (03:40:59):
STD tests and shit.

Speaker 8 (03:41:01):
It was the best prank ever.

Speaker 4 (03:41:04):
It was the best prank ever.
All right, damn it.

Speaker 5 (03:41:07):
You ever?

Speaker 4 (03:41:08):
said that before.

Speaker 1 (03:41:10):
I hope Jen is watching, She'll be like that's
legit that just

Speaker 5 (03:41:15):
convinced me right there, client 2028, I'm voting
for that motherfucker.

Speaker 7 (03:41:20):
You just go in and fill out the room for me.

Speaker 4 (03:41:22):
It was great.

Speaker 5 (03:41:23):
Client for president.
That just tipped me over.
Man, I'm ready.

Speaker 2 (03:41:28):
That's what you do man, come on, man, you've got to
mess with everybody.

Speaker 5 (03:41:32):
Oh my God, that's what you do, man.
I mean, come on, man, you gottamess with.
I mess with everybody equallyright.
Oh my god, that's hilarious.
That's the funniest thing I'veheard all day.

Speaker 4 (03:41:35):
Yeah do it, that's awesome.
I mean even do it to yourbrother today so and I can, you
can still do it and that'sawesome you were talking about
religious fundamentalists.

Speaker 3 (03:41:45):
I want to talk about this because it is 10 o'clock
and I don't know why y'all, butI got to get out of here.

Speaker 8 (03:41:50):
Yeah, we're like almost four hours.

Speaker 2 (03:41:52):
Yeah, we're almost four hours on this one.

Speaker 3 (03:41:53):
So I can tell you from the perspective of the we
could keep going.

Speaker 4 (03:41:59):
No, it's easy to go another two hours.
Yeah, I got to go.
Exactly so from the perspectiveof, we got 10 more minutes.

Speaker 3 (03:42:18):
Obviously, I can't speak for the Catholic Church as
a whole, but I can speak as alayperson and I can say that the
catechism specifically definesthe church teaching right.
The church teaches that life isat conception, that essentially
natural law which was bestowedby God when he created us.
He created it for a reason.
That's how the church sees itand that's why they don't allow
contraception.
Created it for a reason.
That's how the church sees itand that's why they don't allow
contraception.
Do people use it?
Of course they do.
You can't even pull out thechurch's opinion.
No, you can't.

(03:42:39):
You can't.
It's called onism.
It's named after a guy in theOld Testament, but that's a
whole other thing.

Speaker 4 (03:42:47):
I thought that was called sulking.
Maybe it's a different religion, I don't know.
I thought that was calledsulking.

Speaker 3 (03:42:50):
Maybe it's a different religion, I don't know
, but the whole idea is thatyou're supposed to, you're
called on to vote how yourbeliefs are supposed to, and
then you've got the whole termof cafeteria Catholic.
I'll take this, I'll take thisbecause I agree with it, but I
deny that, and so you've gotthat kind of going on too.

(03:43:12):
But the main point is you'resupposed to follow it right,
just like any other religion,and if you ever look at a copy
of the Catechism you can look upliterally anything.
It's like an encyclopedia andit just is paragraphs and it
just kind of talks about whythings are.
It's not just you can't do this.
It's why I feel like this isScientology.

(03:43:34):
When you talk aboutcontraception, it talks about
how natural law is the way ofthe land, and that's why they
practice natural family planning, which is much more than just
tracking and all that.
It's way more than that, and Idon't know anything about that
really.

Speaker 4 (03:43:54):
Real quick, I'm starting my truck.
You have less than 10 minutesI'm going to start my car.

Speaker 6 (03:44:00):
I'm very interested in what you're saying.
I am God damn it.
I wish we had more time.

Speaker 4 (03:44:06):
We can always do another one next week.
We can do another one in twoweeks.
We can do another one wheneverwe're rolling up on four hours.

Speaker 5 (03:44:16):
Which is insane for a podcast, and remember we only
get so many hours per month andthe thing is, we can keep going.

Speaker 3 (03:44:21):
We can easily keep going.

Speaker 5 (03:44:23):
This has been an awesome conversation.

Speaker 8 (03:44:25):
This is what the Brotherhood's about.
We only get six hours a month.

Speaker 6 (03:44:29):
But see, I brought the dissenting opinion.

Speaker 2 (03:44:32):
Which we appreciate.

Speaker 4 (03:44:36):
You're not even dissenting opinion, because I
voted for your side too, forAlyssa Slotkin.

Speaker 5 (03:44:50):
The thing that there is more that unites us than
divides us.

Speaker 4 (03:45:00):
I just want to leave that.
So here's the thing.
At the end of the day,regardless of whichever the
aisle you lie on, if whoever itis that you vote for is doing
what's in the best interest ofveterans, that's all I care
about, right?
So it comes down to Americanism, right?
So if they believe in whatAmerica is about and they're

(03:45:23):
there to support us, like wesupported them during our
service, to be honest with you100%, I don't care what letters
behind your name is a Michigansenator, a Michigan congressman,
president of the United States,whatever I don't care.
We served, we did ourobligation and if you support us

(03:45:45):
, you'll always have my support.
Yep, okay, at the end of theday, we get shafted.
You keep hitting that.
At the end of the day, we getshafted.
We get shafted exactly the sameway that Social Security gets
shafted.
The first thing to get cut isveterans' benefits and all these
different things.

Speaker 3 (03:46:03):
And again, it's a mandate that happens every year.

Speaker 4 (03:46:06):
I know it's unfortunate.
So, regardless of where yourpolitical ideals lie, we have to
take care of veterans.
It so, regardless of where yourpolitical ideals lie, we have
to take care of veterans.
That's what the VFW is about.
That's what we are as veteransare about Taking care of each
other and making sure, at theend of the day, our things are
covered.
Because we did what we said, weexpect those people to do what

(03:46:28):
they say.
Right, we have a Purple Heartrecipient sitting at our table
tonight he hasn't said a lot.
This is a guy that was injured,wounded, in combat, right and,
at the end of the day, I justwant anybody that listens to

(03:46:48):
this to understand where wereally lie.
We like to joke and we like totalk and we like to have fun.
We're all brothers, we're allsisters.
We upheld our end of thebargain.
We expect those people touphold their end of the bargain.

Speaker 8 (03:47:01):
Even after the fact, at the end of the day.

Speaker 4 (03:47:03):
Yeah, I mean, that's what it's supposed to be about.
So I know we dove into a lot ofdifferent subjects tonight and
we'll do it again here in acouple weeks or next week or
whenever we do the next one.
But you know, at the end of theday, that's what we care about
as.
Vfw members.
Right is every veteran matters,Absolutely Every veteran

(03:47:25):
matters, Regardless.

Speaker 5 (03:47:26):
So one of the things you said about the mega right
make America again.
Okay, you were like when werewe great?
How about this?
Throw the fucking again off?
How about mag?
Make america great yep 100.

Speaker 4 (03:47:44):
Agree, I'm with that.

Speaker 3 (03:47:46):
Let's just end that and just to 100, just to throw
on the again part or greater.

Speaker 5 (03:47:51):
How about that?
Make America greater, that'sbetter.

Speaker 3 (03:47:54):
Because I was just going to say again, meaning as
if, like you're right, as ifthere was one particular spot in
history and I guess you couldargue, like our scientific
explorations, world War II typestuff, World War II getting to
the moon, whatever.

Speaker 5 (03:48:08):
There's been lots of good things that America has
done, but none of that mattersbut you've got to blend it, but
none of that matters.

Speaker 3 (03:48:15):
and I would say make America greater.
I would agree with that becauseover the last 100 years we have
progressively gotten better.
Women had the right to vote andthen they were able to join the
military.
There was Civil Rights Act.
We have progressively gottenbetter.
That is absolutely correct.

(03:48:36):
Make America greater is theterm that I will now agree with.

Speaker 5 (03:48:41):
I think I like that.

Speaker 6 (03:48:44):
The thing is, I don't think that, as of this date,
that America has fulfilled itspromises to all its citizens,
but I think it can.
I think it can.
I hope it can.

Speaker 5 (03:49:04):
But on that, I think as a whole, we have improved
year after year after year.
Yes, whole.
We have improved year afteryear after year, even though we
are bombarded year after yeardaily with negative oh we're
this, we're that, we're not goodenough, we're not that.
But we as a society, I think,have improved majorly.

(03:49:26):
Is there more room forimprovement?

Speaker 4 (03:49:27):
Absolutely, absolutely, always no question I
mean I'm pretty damn perfect,but I can still improve.
It might be a very slightpercentage point.

Speaker 5 (03:49:37):
You're not quite presidential.

Speaker 6 (03:49:42):
You're not quite presidential material yet, but
it's getting close.
We got to shave your beard andput you in a suit.
Make Charlie great again.

Speaker 2 (03:49:48):
I look damn good in a suit by the way I saw a picture
Birthday again, I look damngood in the suit by the way I
saw a picture birthday.
My birthday suit's a little bit, a little bit lackluster my
birthday suit's definitelylackluster but I hold my own.

Speaker 5 (03:50:01):
Why don't?

Speaker 8 (03:50:01):
you just talk, and right here he is Absolutely.

Speaker 5 (03:50:04):
But yeah, I think that's where we can.
Let's leave it there, where youknow we as a society have a
obligation.
There, where you know we, we asa society, have a a obligation,
obligation.

Speaker 6 (03:50:15):
Yes, thank you, to make things better as we see,
and that's all Americans,absolutely not just us as
veterans there is always roomfor improvement, always, and we
should always strive to getbetter, no matter what, even if
it's our personal life.

Speaker 5 (03:50:36):
Everything Try to improve.

Speaker 6 (03:50:38):
Everything, and I think that I'm way better this
year.
I think that that potentialexists.
We are way better than we were100 years ago, oh for sure.
And hopefully better than wewere 100 years ago, oh for sure.
And hopefully we're way better100 years from now from where we

(03:50:59):
are right now.
That's right.

Speaker 8 (03:51:06):
That's right Hi.

Speaker 6 (03:51:09):
Sorry, I was trying to find something that you guys
were talking about.

Speaker 4 (03:51:11):
Let's not get into it .
No, we're all good.
We're all good for the night.

Speaker 6 (03:51:12):
We are shutting her down.

Speaker 5 (03:51:13):
Yeah, Good night y'all.

Speaker 6 (03:51:15):
Jesus.

Speaker 5 (03:51:18):
Thanks for if you're still with us.
Thanks for staying with us.

Speaker 8 (03:51:21):
There were still four or so left.

Speaker 3 (03:51:23):
And now we are headed out.
So thanks for joining and wewill see you guys next time
Shining off.
Peace out.
Next time Shining off.

Speaker 1 (03:51:30):
Peace out.
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