Brotherhood Beyond the Battlefield: Stories of Patriotism and Perseverance from VFW Post 3033

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
War is a paradox.
It is the power to bringnations together, to inspire
heroism and sacrifice and toforge bonds of camaraderie that
will span a lifetime, but italso has the power to tear
families apart, to shattercommunities and to leave scars
that will never fully heal.
And, for those who have served,the transition back to civilian

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life can be one of the greatestchallenges they will ever face.
This is the typical life ofmilitary veterans, a world that
is both familiar and foreign tomost of us.
It is a world that is shaped byunique experiences, values and
traditions of the military, andby the sacrifices and struggles
of those who have served, butit's also a world that is

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constantly changing, as newgenerations of veterans confront
new challenges and newopportunities.
Thank you for joining us atSoup Sandwich.
Dig your foxhole, heat up yourMRE and spend some time with us.

Speaker 2 (01:09):
Good evening everybody.
We welcome you back to SoupSandwich hosted by VFW Post 3033
, Mount Pleasant, Michigan.
Tonight I'll be your host.
My name is Charlie Klein, I'mthe VFW Post 3033 riders group
president and tonight we havewith us.

Speaker 3 (01:29):
Tray Porter Post 3033 riders group vice president.

Speaker 4 (01:36):
Joseph Gates Post 3033 riders group member and
Post member.

Speaker 5 (01:41):
I heard you the adjunct.
That is well, okay, I'm justchecking.
I want to make sure that Ididn't forget something.
Okay, so then you have TimArtebe, post commander for 3033,
riders group, sardine at arms,and their director of the riders

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group for the department ofMichigan.

Speaker 2 (02:06):
Excellent guys.
I appreciate everybody beinghere tonight, so let's dive
right in Different things thatwe have going on at our post
here in Mount Pleasant.

Speaker 5 (02:15):
All right.
So, winding down to the end ofthe new year or ramping up to
the end of the new year, howeveryou want to look at it, we have
our New Year's Eve party onSunday, December 31st.
It's a no theme kind of thing.

(02:38):
You just come as you are.
If you want to wear yourpajamas, wear your pajamas.
If you don't wear pajamas, thenput pajamas on.

Speaker 2 (02:46):
Okay, whatever you actually thought it was.
If you don't wear pajamas, youget free beer.
No shoes, no service, no shirt.
Free beer, that's for the women.

Speaker 5 (02:57):
Oh, yeah, yeah, Okay.
So and then, rolling into thenew year, we have a riders group
Christmas party on the first,where we're going to watch we
are going to watch MichiganSmackdown Alabama and then,

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rolling on through there, wehave a district 11 VOD banquet,
and then a dark tournament onthe 20th for Special Olympics,
where we raised $5,000 last year.
And then ending out is themidwinter conference, which I

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will have to go to because I'malso the district commander
where we vote on a state winnerthat could go to national and
win up to $30,000 inscholarships to go to school.

Speaker 2 (03:56):
So, for those of you out there that don't know so,
these scholarships for Voice ofDemocracy or Patriots been right
, depending on their age group.
What they do is they writeessays right that are judged.
So these are all good things.
So if you're a school teacher,a school administrator that's
out there, try to get yourstudents involved, because you

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know when they're looking atpaying for colleges right,
regardless if it's, you know,your community college that's
local to you, and or statecolleges wherever you're at, you
know all this money isdefinitely going to apply right.
So and it seems like every year, you know it's kind of a
struggle to get these kids andeven the schools right on board

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with the things that we need or,you know, get kids to write
essays.
So if you're an English teacheror a school administrator, make
sure you get your studentsinvolved in these things,
because there's a lot of moneythat's out there that some of
these students have no idea it'seven available to them.

Speaker 5 (04:57):
And this is something that as a district commander.
I've been a district commanderfor the last two and a half
years and I've slowly seen theschool participation has slowly
dropped because, like anythingelse in our country now, it's
been a more liberal kind ofthing and it's went away from

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the red, white and blue.
It's went away what what makesAmerica great.
It's went away from all thestuff that these young people
need to do to grow up to begreat Americans.
But there's a lot of liberalteachers out there and school
administrators that won't let usin the schools, which is

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actually screwing the students.
Because there's a lot of youngpeople out there that still love
America, they still have theirown head, they still want to do
what's great for America.
But we have theseadministrators and these school
teachers that says, well, we'renot changing our curriculum, we
don't want you in the schoolbecause we don't necessarily

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believe what the the theme foris, and that's that's a damn
shame.
There's 52 states.
Then you have, then you havethe Philippine area for the VFW,
and then you have the Europetheater for the VFW.

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The VFW is all over the damnworld and these and this goes
for if you're, if you're, a VFWand you put kids in for this.
They can win money and it's adamn shame that these
administrators and and I'm goingto be nice people don't support

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the United States of Americabecause of their own political
beliefs, their own stuff.
It's about the kids.
If we can give them 30 grand togo to college, why in the hell
ain't we pushing this?
Why aren't we pushing it?

Speaker 7 (07:06):
I want to throw something in there.
And first of all, who are you?
Oh, is Brent Holbrook again.

Speaker 2 (07:14):
He's late to the game .

Speaker 7 (07:16):
I'm late to the game, my bad, you know.
Correct me if I'm wrong.
Any administrators, anyteachers that are out there
listening correct us.
But growing up I rememberreciting the Pledge of
Allegiance before class everyday and to my knowledge they
don't do that anymore.
They're not even even on abasic level, instilling basic

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patriotism and appreciation forthe country in which you live.
Those of us in the VFW have beeninto some horrible countries.
We've seen what it could belike.
You know, and that's just kindof how I see it and I want to.
I would just want to say like Idon't want to really get into

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the politics, but it just, ifyou think about it for a minute,
as society has changed and aspolitics have changed over the
last 20 years, slowly schoolsdropped reciting the Pledge of
Allegiance.
They've dropped certain thingsand more censorship in certain
areas has become more prevalent.

(08:20):
I mean, little changes likethat are happening at on the
school board level, and so thoseare just some changes that I've
noticed.
So to answer your questionabout why they're not doing it,
I think it's just become apattern over the last 20 years.

Speaker 2 (08:35):
So I could tell you this right when I was K through
six here in here in my pleasantright that was the elementary
school we always, at thebeginning of the year, right, we
raised the flag on the flagpolein front of the school and we
did the Pledge of Allegiance.
And the last day of school welowered it again and did the
Pledge of Allegiance.

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That was the end of the schoolyear, right?
So my daughter's 24 years oldright, she didn't do that.
So at some point that thatchanged, that patriotism changed
, and it's unfortunate, but Iwill say this right, I attended
Veterans Day ceremonies fromShepherd, which is just south of

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us, to Mount Pleasant here, toClaire, just north of us.

Speaker 1 (09:23):
Claire.

Speaker 2 (09:24):
Right and what they do for the veterans is
unbelievable.
I actually put a post out right, my personal Facebook page of
the students.
That made me a wood flag.
It hangs in my office righthere, right right at the AJ
Skyloge.
I always got to put a plug inright here in my shop.
It literally hangs right, and Isent an email to the wood shop

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teacher, right, saying hey, Ireally appreciate what your
students did.
Hopefully you share this withyour administration.
You know these students put inall this work.
I really appreciate it.
Put the post out on Facebookand it's hanging right above my
desk, right, it's awesome,awesome, right.
That's some schools that do itand some that don't, and that's

(10:09):
a shame because these some ofthese students, right, if they
get then instilled at them atthe lowest level, the grade
school level.
Right, the kindergarten throughfourth grade, third grade,
sixth grade, whatever yourelementary school is, all the
way through high school, whenthey see these programs come out
, right, we're even at the locallevel.
Say, here, our VFW.
Right, say, the VOD winners of$800, right, and they compounded

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the district level, which isthe next stop, right, the
regional level could be another$1,000 or $1,500, they win.
And then they go to state levelcould be another $5,000, they
win, and they go to national.
It could be a total of $30,000.
That's huge for these studentsthat we're here talking about at
national politics, right, we'retalking about loan forgiveness,
right, and now you have anopportunity for these kids.

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They could run the gambit, getup to $30,000, right, and
teachers or administrations notnot not putting it out to these
students that they, they couldget that you know.
It's just a shame.

Speaker 5 (11:11):
And to caveat on what Charlie was saying, I also got
a flag from a young man and heasked me a lot of up in Claire
right up in Claire, yep, up inClaire.
He asked me a lot of stuff, alot of stuff about my service
and they played.
They had a great program andthey played.

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They played a little thingwhere the soldier comes home and
the family jumps in their armsand and the people that died for
the country, and stuff likethat, and I'm crying.
I'm sitting next to this,actually a sophomore.
I'm sitting next to thissophomore and I'm trying to.

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You know, I got my, I got myhead down, hand on my over my
face because I don't want nobodyto see me cry, because that's
not what we do.
We're steel-eyed killers,motherfuckers, oops, sorry,
motherfuckers, but we'resteel-eyed killers.
We don't cry.
And that young man put his handon my back and rub my shoulders

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and and I was so grateful forthat young man.
But this is the same school thatwon't let the Claire VFW come
into it and do the VOD PatriotPenn.
Same school.
They bend to the school boardmeetings, they bend to the
everything and the teachers saywe got a curriculum.

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School board says we got acurriculum and that's not in the
curriculum.
So therefore it doesn't matter.
And shame on Claire's schools.
And, yes, I'm going to callthem out, claire, michigan,
michigan, the pioneers.
Shame on them.
They have a woodshop teacherthat honored Charlie.

Speaker 2 (12:56):
30 veterans, 30 veterans, yeah, I would say
that's probably 30, maybe evenmore 30 combat veterans.

Speaker 5 (13:04):
They had a 96-year-old World War II veteran
that they they honored withthat board and that
administration would not do VODPatriot Penn.
So therefore, Claire missed outon a thing called All American,

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which is something that theClaire VFW, claire VFW,
something that we do to toexample, by posts that go above
and beyond, and one of them isyou have to have a VF, you have
to do a Patriot Penn VOD teacherof the year.
They couldn't even get ateacher of the year because

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nobody wanted to do it.
You know it's sad.

Speaker 2 (13:53):
And those programs are no different than like.
We have part of the program,right?
Yeah, it involves firstresponders.
So it doesn't matter if it's apolice officer, doesn't matter
if it's a firefighter, doesn'tmatter if it's an EMT person,
right.
So we reach out and say, hey,who's gone above and beyond?
It's not like you have to savea baby from a burning building

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doesn't mean you have to save ababy from a car accident or
anything else.
Who's your police officer?
Who's your EMT person thatvolunteers for the shifts that
nobody else wants to work for,or constantly fills in for the
people that want to takevacation?
The first one to raise theirhands.
So, yep, I'll cover that shiftor I'll do this or I'll do that.
They don't have to do someheroic, crazy thing, right?

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But that's the person that youcan always rely on when you need
somebody.
They're always the person toraise their hand.
And for us we struggle evenhere.
We have state police, we havethe tribal police, we have city,
we have county, we have allthese different departments.
We have all these differententities and for even for us
here in Malpuzan, we struggle tofind these people.

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We send them in and say hey,who's your best person?
And we get no response.

Speaker 5 (14:59):
I went to Isabella County Sheriff Mike Mann, right,
maine, maine, whatever.
And I said who do you have?
Because I need this, I want to,I want to put an officer in for
a VFW level.
Well, we don't have anybody.
Everybody just does their job.
You know, that's not amotherfucker I want to work for.

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That's not somebody I want towork for, because there's always
somebody that goes above andbeyond, always somebody.
There's somebody that's a cutabove and he said no, there
ain't nobody special here.
I did the same thing to thefire department, I did the
tribal PD, I did it to city PD,I went to EMS.

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I can't even get anybody tocome back to EMS.
And those are the people thatshould be the people, because
they're out there every day caraccident saving lives.

Speaker 2 (15:56):
Well, it doesn't matter.
It doesn't matter if you'recity PD, your county, sheriff's.
EMTs or even fire Fire respondto all those accidents too.
So those are the people youwould think that their leaders
would have.
Somebody that's in their righthip pocket, that we always said
right, it's the go-to guy, thego-to gal girl that is always

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going to be there.
When I have to call on somebody, they're going to step up,
regardless of what they have tosacrifice to take care of the
mission.
You know what I mean, and it'sa struggle, right.
When we have these things thatwe need to do, we want to
highlight somebody in thecommunity and you can't get the
leadership to say, hey, jim orJan is my person.

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That whenever I have a problemor whenever I need something to
be done, this is the person I goto.
You can't even get a responseto say, yeah, this is the person
, and I agree, because if I wasa Sergeant of Marines, right,
and I needed somebody, I havesomebody.
I have a road captain that Irely on heavily and I'm not shy.

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I'm the guy that's not shy tosay Viper is my guy, sean Beal
is my guy, amen.
If I have something to do, Itask him with it.
It's going to get done becausehe's the guy that's in my right
pocket and if I need it done,he's going to get it done.
Even if we end up on gravel roador we're going north to go

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south, whatever.
Sometimes you have to go fivemiles north to go south.

Speaker 5 (17:31):
I get it.
It's called the Michigan left.

Speaker 2 (17:35):
I get it.
It doesn't matter if it's anI-75.
It doesn't matter.
It doesn't matter, there's a 105acts between here and there,
he's going to get us there.
But what I'm saying is whenyou're a leader regardless of if
you're an office manager oryou're the sheriff and you have
a bunch of deputies below you,you have somebody below you that

(18:03):
you rely on all the time.
I mean, we did in the military.
You know what I mean.
You have somebody that has tobe your person.
Unless you were a clerk, unlessyou're in the Navy then you
just have a bunch of semen belowyou.
Because, I know he's going totalk right now.

Speaker 5 (18:19):
Go ahead, go ahead.

Speaker 7 (18:22):
I'm only talking because now I have an idea.

Speaker 5 (18:27):
Man.
I don't like his ideas.
He has a lot of them.

Speaker 7 (18:31):
No, I was going to say you know and there was the
RTO, fucking shit up.

Speaker 2 (18:40):
This is the reason why we don't let those techie
guys around.
They like to spill drinks onthe table.

Speaker 5 (18:49):
And he'll be the first fucking guy that yell at
you about having fucking drinksclose to the fucking computer.
He'll be like no, put no drinksnext to the computer and then
he's got to be the guy.

Speaker 4 (19:03):
Someone's got to do it.
Go ahead Brent.

Speaker 7 (19:09):
Anyway, you know, from a leadership perspective,
just so everybody knows.

Speaker 2 (19:17):
Real quick, Brett, I'm going to cut you off.
We do have some people in thestudio at the SkyLogs tonight.

Speaker 4 (19:22):
We have a peanut gallery.

Speaker 2 (19:23):
Yeah, the peanut gallery.
They're going to eat popcornand have cocktails over there.
Well, we're on this tonight,but yeah.

Speaker 7 (19:31):
I was just going to say about, you know, the
leadership aspect, like I guessI can see it from a couple
perspectives.
You know they want to exudethis idea that you know they're
one team, right, but at the sametime, a proper leader, in my

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opinion, is one who is still,despite, like you know, making
sure you're on one team, you'restill going to recognize the
people who really, like you said, are going above and beyond.
I think you know his lack ofresponse in that situation was

(20:13):
erring too much on caution, Ithink.

Speaker 5 (20:16):
Okay, so being politically correct in a way.
Okay.
So, with that being said, I'mgoing to throw this out at the
clerk, which is airborne dude,worked with, worked with the
special operations group and allthat.
Okay, I'm gonna throw this outat him.
Okay, when I was an infantrysquad leader, I had a fucking

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point man and his name was NickNickerson and he was 82nd
airborne golf war vet.
He came back to my unit and theminute, the minute, I met him
and saw what he could do, he wasmy fucking point man.
Okay, he was the dude, he wasthe flipping dude and, by the

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way, nick, I'm going to sendthis to you, so you have to
listen to it.
So he was a dude that he madethe calls because he was the
point man.
Correct, trey, correct, correct, he was a dude.
Okay, and every, every andevery, every type of

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organization has that dude thatwhen the dude isn't there, you
have another dude that makes thecall, and that dude should
probably be put in for theseawards.
Correct, correct.
You have a undershelf, right?
I don't know.
Charlie knows more about that.

Speaker 2 (21:37):
Well, you know, yeah you know for years my wife, the
prosecutor's office here rightat Fresable County and yeah so.
So the sheriff's department,they sheriff main right and
there's an undershelf right, sowhen he's gone right he's doing
things, and then there'sdeputies below that right which
would be the role patrols or theresponding officers or the

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correction officers, or whatever.
So more than likely, even at thecity level, right, you're going
to have the chief right, chiefpolice and there's going to be
like no offense.
I apologize because I don'tknow she talks.
I listen, doesn't mean tounderstand what she's saying
back then, but so I don't know.
If it's it's not going to belike an undercap, then it'd be

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like a lieutenant.
Yes, some years it's going tobe a military order, I'm sure
right.

Speaker 5 (22:25):
Yes, and that's my point.
And if you are a sheriff ofIsabella County and you can't
put in your undershelf for aleadership award that's
recognized through the VFW andnot just the Department of
Michigan we're talking about thenational you, the whole fucking
United States of America andall the VFWs around the world,

(22:47):
then that dude shouldn'tprobably be doing that fucking
job.

Speaker 2 (22:50):
So you elect, I know, at the county level, cities
different and we have CMU police, that's.

Speaker 5 (22:57):
CMU here too.

Speaker 2 (22:58):
So, right, central Michigan University, those guys
are hired in, so they're goingto hire in their chief or their
captain, right or whatever?
I don't even know what that is.
Under sheriff isn't elected, isit?
County is?
County is elected, but theundershelf is not.
That's what I'm saying.
So what?
My understanding and I verywell could be incorrect, so
don't definitely don't quote meon this I believe they are going

(23:20):
to be nominated and orappointed by the sheriff to be
the undershelf.
I might be incorrect, butthey're definitely not elected.
The sheriff is elected.
the undershelf?
I'm not sure.
So the undershelf would be thesecond in command, right, so the
sheriff's gone on vacation ordies or whatever.

(23:43):
Right, there's the next guy, nodifferent than you.
Right, you have your commanderand you, right, yes, you're
senior, your junior, the VFW.
Right, there's gonna be a guythat's gonna step up.
The undershelf is in all theworks, but they're not elected.
Yeah, we don't.
We don't hear in Isabel, kindof, we don't elect an undershelf
, we elect a sheriff.
I'm not sure how the probablypoints.

(24:06):
I'm sure it's gonna be the mostsenior guy with the most
experience.
Blah, blah, blah.
Right, that's that.
That deals in the same missionas the sheriff has.
He's gonna be his guy Right.
So I agree with you.
How would your undershelf notnot get it?
Because your undershelf shouldbe your guy Right.

Speaker 5 (24:25):
Absolutely.

Speaker 2 (24:26):
So it should be an easy transition if you have to
give a name and if I was theundershelf and my sheriff's not
gonna nominate me to be the guy,fuck you, I'm going somewhere
else.
It's not, I'm gonna go somewhereelse because you still got
bills to pay and kids to feed.
Oh, that's what you put on thetable.
I get that too.
But I would definitely be alittle suspect if I hear this

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and I'm like my sheriff didn'tsay I was his guy, right, and
you're not looking for the guythat's saving babies out of
burning cars, right.
Well, you're looking for theguy that steps up and is there
to do the things when I can't bethere, right, that's that's.
That's your guy.
We're not the VFW.
The American Legion is whatever.
The M Vets, when they have theseprograms, are not looking for

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the guy, right, pulling kids outof out of burning buildings
right.
They're looking for the guythat's going to pick up the
shift so that his subordinatesright, those deputies could be
at home for Christmas.
And I'm going to be theundershifer.
Whoever right, this period guys, it's going to work those
terrible shifts or fill in whenneeds to be filled in, not going
.
Well, give it to the.
Give it to the new guy, becausehe's the new guy's got to pay

(25:31):
his dues, yeah you know.

Speaker 3 (25:33):
So every organization that you, that is a successful
organization, has that one tomaybe three punch.
You know, like Jordan hadPippin, magic had Kareem, larry
Bird had Robert Parrish andKevin, Micael Pippin.

Speaker 2 (25:54):
Pippin was a dog man because he he did all the hard
work and Jordan got all the glow.

Speaker 5 (25:58):
Right, pippin was a bitch man, tony.

Speaker 3 (26:01):
Koo coach, I'm just saying he did have a fever he
did have a fever didn't he SteveKerr?
He still played a game, there'sgot to be some depth on a
roster to any organization.
You know, absolutely.
You know when I was in therewas always some depth.
If the top guy went down, therewas somebody ready to step up
and take his place.

Speaker 5 (26:23):
I got to go here, charlie, so why would you?

Speaker 2 (26:25):
nominate that guy for something.

Speaker 3 (26:28):
Yeah, why wouldn't you?

Speaker 2 (26:29):
I got to go here though.

Speaker 5 (26:30):
So, like with Trey, if the top guy broke a
fingernail and the next guy gotlike a sliver under his
fingernail from typing, you gotto have a third guy that
actually use the ink pen.

Speaker 3 (26:44):
Believe it or not?
Believe it or not, I actuallydo need some ink.

Speaker 2 (26:49):
We had a Clippers who's got some.

Speaker 3 (26:51):
We had about a.
During my first deployment, wehad about three, three purple
hearts One of my soldiers, oneof them believe it or not.

Speaker 5 (27:01):
What'd he do?

Speaker 3 (27:01):
Stub his toe on the desk Exactly Stubbed his toe on
the desk, I think.

Speaker 4 (27:07):
Going back to this other stuff, it's kind of a
two-parter one that they putsomeone up there like that, it's
a way of giving them a thankyou and appreciation A lot of
them absolutely around here Atleast places I've been don't
really do that.
They're just everyone's here,part of the team.
And then not only that.
How can you make your teambetter if you're not promoting
simple stuff like that?

Speaker 3 (27:25):
It's the little things that add up or show them
that appreciation you know whatI mean you got to show them, put
your soldiers in for awards.

Speaker 4 (27:33):
It's your value that's gonna become valuable.

Speaker 3 (27:35):
Yeah, if you weren't putting your soldiers in for an
award when you were, when wewere serving, you weren't doing
your job.
What are you doing?

Speaker 4 (27:43):
as a leader.

Speaker 5 (27:44):
Well, I'll tell you what I was terrible at it I was.
I was terrible at it because mythought process was probably
like some of these other people.
My thought process is you'rehere to do a job.

Speaker 3 (27:56):
I'm not going to reward you for doing your job, I
mean, but those soldiers thatwent above and beyond.

Speaker 5 (28:03):
Well you know what I'm saying is.
I was wrong, as six guys blowingseven because someone had two
dicks in their mouth, because Ishould have been rewarding them
for doing their job, becausethere's a lot of people out
there that didn't do their damnjob, and they got promoted at
the same time.
You got promoted and you weredoing everything that you were

(28:26):
supposed to do and this dude wasflogging the, flogging the dog,
and they all get promotedtogether and the good troop is
going like wow, you know, thisguy hasn't did anything and I'm
busting my ass.
So why do I have to bust my ass?

(28:46):
Because I'm going to getpromoted anyway, just like he is
right sends the wrong message.

Speaker 4 (28:52):
Absolutely.
And I tell you toxic leaders.
And to the ones who didn't haveto do anything, what's say that
get?
I say that's how you end upgetting the toxic leadership up
there.
The ones who didn't really haveto do the work to get where
they're at, they just promotedbecause of time.

Speaker 7 (29:08):
And I think there's a split there.
I mean, I don't know what it is, it's definitely not 50-50, you
know, but it's, you know, 60,40, 70, 30 something.
But as a leader, your job, yes,is to lead and to be that
person to make some, you know,initial decisions.
But I would say a decentmajority of your job should be

(29:31):
raising the people up under you,because one day you're not
going to be there Absolutely.
And to you know, allow for adecent turnover, for whenever
that happens, whether it beforced or not, you know, you get
broadsided by a bus one day.
Well, now what you know.

(29:53):
So, forced or not, whenever theturnover happens, somebody's
got to be able to do that job,right, Right.
And if you don't adequately,you know, prepare the people
under you to do it, you're goingto be in for a hell of a time.
Well they will be hit by the bus.
That too, or retired, orwhatever you know, but you know

(30:17):
I could go on and on aboutdecent leadership because, I'll
be honest, my experience inactive duty I you know, with one
exception during the five and ahalf years, you know I didn't
really have a great experiencewith my leadership.
So I unfortunately had a trackrecord of getting toxic
leadership.
So okay.

Speaker 5 (30:37):
So let me ask you a question, and that's that's good
that you bring that up, becauseI would say the majority of the
people that I led would tellyou I was positive from the
bottom up.
I was positive because Itrained people I could train

(30:58):
because we would work on ituntil it was perfectly Lombardi.
We're going to run this sweepand we're going to keep running
it and keep running it.
We're going to run it as muchas we run it.
They can know it's coming, butyou know what?
They're not going to be able tostop it because we're going to
do it perfect.
But I had a lot of, a lot ofissues with some, some

(31:20):
leadership from the top down and, and I'm guessing a little bit
of that might have been myhardheadedness, my brashness,
because I wasn't afraid to speakmy mind If I thought something
was fucked up.
I didn't, I didn't care.
I told the lieutenant one timefuck you, you think you can do a

(31:45):
better job, hop on the toe andyou do it.
You know.
And the company commanderreally didn't like that a whole
lot.
Either did the first sardin andeither did my platoon leader,
my platoon sardin, because theydrug me out of the tower and
said whoa, whoa, whoa.
You can't do that and I'm likefuck him.
He's not going to sit there andtalk bad about my troops, he's

(32:05):
not.
My job is to take care of themand protect them.

Speaker 7 (32:09):
Right, and I think you know, and I'll call them out
in a positive way, and damn, itpains me to say this, but the
best leader I had was actuallyan Army NCOIC.

Speaker 5 (32:27):
Absolutely, absolutely.

Speaker 7 (32:30):
And the reason why is because I was stationed at
National Naval Medical Center inBethesda, maryland.
But I was there during thetransition into Walter Reed
National Military Medical Centerand so part of that was, you
know, a little bit of a stintwith an Army NCOIC when I worked

(32:51):
in ophthalmology and I don'tknow what his rank is now, but
back then he was Sergeant DanielLabeta and pretty, just badass.

Speaker 3 (33:03):
I mean, you know, true leader and you know was
there, you needed him, and soWell, being an Army NCO, I can
speak to this and I'm not downin any of the services because I
, you know, I was not a part ofany of the service.
I can't really speak to it.
But I think the Army does ahell of a job raising leaders in

(33:31):
their ranks.
Beginnings what we do, yeah,that, yeah, they start from the
beginning Raising up theseleaders.
It's very effective what theArmy does with these leaders.
I think maybe the Marines arecomparable, but I doubt it.

(33:54):
They're lagging behind.
Come on, man.

Speaker 7 (33:59):
Haters always hate what's that saying, I can't
really remember what it is.
If you ain't one, I don't knowyou hate me because they hate me
.

Speaker 4 (34:13):
Yeah, that's it you hate me because they hate me Our
motto is always Semper.

Speaker 2 (34:16):
Gumby right.
You got to be flexible in allsituations right, you know,
remember Semper Gumby as a kid.

Speaker 7 (34:32):
Well, each experience may vary, but when I picked up
what most would callnoncommissioned officer status
in the Navy that you know, whichwas like E-9, right the time
you guys got there.
Yeah, that's what it feels,like I'm not going to lie.
No, but E-4, Petty Officer, 3rdClass.

(34:54):
When I picked up E-4, you knowI went through this leadership
course and again, experience mayvary if you went to a different
.
You know if you're at adifferent unit and you know you
had a decent experience.
But I'm just going to be honest, my experience was dog shit, it
just was.

(35:15):
I mean honor, core value is theNavy's honor, courage and
commitment and this.
They sold that for the MarineCorps, by the way.

Speaker 2 (35:25):
The Navy came first, but we'll continue there weren't
even the Navy when we hadMarines defending their ships.
But that's cool.
That's why we got the leatherneck name right.
It's cool though the Sarahstory they could tell it.
Everybody's just shaking theirhead.

Speaker 3 (35:43):
I don't believe a damn word, charlie says.

Speaker 2 (35:45):
I don't either, if you don't like the truth.

Speaker 7 (35:48):
That's cool, but yeah , my experience was horrible.
I mean, it was a three-day, youknow, leadership course.
The first day was about honor,second day was about courage,
the third day was aboutcommitment and it was just a
load of dog shit.
It taught me nothing aboutactual leadership.
And so my question for you guysaround the table, especially

(36:12):
the ones that are NCOICs whatwas your actual leadership
experience?
I know the Marines have thesergeants.
Course we go right out toCorporal's course.
Oh, there is a Corporal'scourse, so E-4s Okay.

Speaker 2 (36:26):
E-5s right.

Speaker 6 (36:30):
You and DC.
Well, you know, because that'swhat we call it.

Speaker 2 (36:35):
I'm going to break real quick.
But in the Marine Corps we dothings at a little bit lower
level than the Army does, andthat's probably the best
comparison.
Right, because the Air Forceisn't going to be there, the
Navy's not going to be there.
We all have a different mission, but Army and the Marine Corps
are pretty close on parallelwith the same mission, right, we
just we're so small, we're280,000 people and the Army's a

(36:56):
million, right, so you guys justdo things one notch up more
than we do.
So what?
You guys expect that of E-5, asergeant, right, we expect that
of an E-4 Corporal, right?
So, just it's.
I'm not saying one's betterthan the other, right, but we
just we have to do things at asmaller scale because you guys

(37:17):
are so much bigger.

Speaker 3 (37:18):
What is the role of a Corporal in the?

Speaker 2 (37:22):
Navy so.
I can only talk to theexperience of infantry right.
I was at FAST Company and or aninfantry line unit, fleet Marine
Force unit.
So a Corporal could be anywherefrom a fire team leader to a
squad leader in the infantry.
So typically, if you go by thebook, it should be a fire team

(37:45):
leader.
So you're in charge of threeother Marines below you in an
infantry platoon.
Right, you'll be a fire teamleader, right, but as a Corporal
, you could also be a squadleader, which would typically be
a sergeant, right, right, youknow what I mean, and I think
for you guys it'd almost be theopposite way.
Right, it'd be a sergeant,would be a fire team leader.

Speaker 3 (38:05):
No no, no, it's going to be a squad leader and then a
staff sergeant.
As a platoon leader, staffsergeant will be the first squad
leader, number one squad leader.
That's, that's seven.
Seven would be a platoon, soplatoons are so in the six can
step up and do that.
So for us, for us in E six is a.

Speaker 2 (38:28):
Is that a maximum of platoon sergeant?
Ok, so at a minimum.
That that's it.
That's you're going to be thator you're going to be almost in
trade coming company gunner,sergeant tray, coming from the
clerk stuff this whore.

Speaker 4 (38:46):
I love you, I love you, brother, that's right so in
the infantry.

Speaker 5 (38:50):
An infantry squad is 13 people.
Ok, it's one staff sergeant whois a squad leader and three,
three fire teams of four people.
No, that's a platoon, I'mtalking about a squad.
That's a squad, a squad in aperfect world.
In a perfect world, a squadleaders in E, six Team leaders
that are five's, and then threepeople each that work under this

(39:15):
, the team leaders.
So you guys are totallydifferent.
Yes, totally.
Then in a, in a platoon, youhave three infantry squads and
then you have a weapons squad,which would be the M 60s.
The ornaments, yeah, sobasically, basically, Army

(39:35):
platoon would be a platoonleader, a platoon sergeant, plus
13 times four.
Yeah, you do the math because Iwas a very good man.
Joe 50 to 60, some 52.
Yeah, so that's basically.
That's basically how theinfantry Now it's changed that

(39:57):
was, that was back when we stilluse muskets.
Ok so it's changed a little bityeah.
Yeah, so platoon and a towplatoon still 11, bravo 11 hotel
.
But my squad, or my platoon,was a platoon leader, platoon
sergeant.
We had a platoon sergeantdriver, platoon leader, driver

(40:21):
Right, so there's four people,and then we had four six man
squads.
We had 28 people.
We had a squad leader, drivergunner, assistant squad leader,
driver gunner.
The assistant squad leader wasusually an E five, could be an E
four, but unless you had a DAcorporal, it was an E four or an

(40:42):
E five, okay, so let me putthis out there.

Speaker 2 (40:46):
So in an infantry, marine Corps infantry, you're
going to have three squads ofall regular infantry men.
Right, there's going to be 0, 3, 11 infantry guys.
Each squad's got three fireteams, each fire teams led by a
corporal E four.

Speaker 5 (41:04):
Okay, and then that squad is led by a sergeant, so
you have 10 people to a squad,right oh?

Speaker 2 (41:09):
11.
Well, you'd have 11 with yourson, right?
So our difference was and thenthe fourth squad was made up of
weapons Shoot.
I was fire team of like 0, 3,51s which were the smog dragon
dragon guys right, right, rightdone away with that.
One fire team would be yourmortarmen 0, 3, 41s.

(41:30):
Now.
Then you have machine gunnersright, you're 50 cal guys, right
?
So those guys would be the 0, 3, 31s, with their own sergeant
that should be leading them.
But typically it was like wewould call them a senior
landscropal and E three Right.
Right, there's no such thing asa senior landscropal.

(41:51):
We like to claim it becauseguys would get stuck there
forever, waiting to be, waitingto be promoted right, they'd
have crazy scores, but they justcouldn't get promoted.
And then you would have an Esix, right, your staff sergeant
would lead the entire platoon ofall four of those squads, right
?
But most of the time it would bedone with a sergeant, because

(42:11):
your fire team was a threeperson fire team.
It would be like you'd have agunner and two assistants and
then a corporal leading it, soit'd be it'd be a four man fire
squad.

Speaker 5 (42:24):
Fire team and you had fire fire team and you had
three of them in a three of themwould be like E three and below
, and one would be an E four.

Speaker 2 (42:32):
But you have three of them in a squad three of them
in the platoon, plus a weaponssquad.
So what was your squad?
A squad is a squad would bewell, a platoon would be four
squads, three of which wouldjust be regular infantrymen and
one would be a weapon which issquad.
If you had a squad, if I had asquad, so you, if you're just

(42:56):
regular infantry, you'd havefour, or you'd have three, sorry
, you'd have three fire teams ofE threes and below, led by in
each one.

Speaker 5 (43:10):
You'd have one E four , so you would have three times
four, so you'd have 12 peopleplus a squad leader, plus a
squad leader, and then you'dhave a weapons would be still in
that same platoon.

Speaker 2 (43:23):
So you'd have, technically, four squads One's a
weapons squad, one's.
Three are regular infantrymen,your 11 Bravo's that you would
call them right, just a regularguys.
But the fourth one would bemade up of the weapons weapons,
heavy, heavy machine gunners,mortarman's missile guys, right.

Speaker 5 (43:43):
So you would have three, three times four, 12, 13
in a squad, and then you'd havefour of those, you'd have four
of them so 13 times four yeahyou're.

Speaker 2 (43:58):
you're roughly 45 people Right.
Plus your platoon leaderplatoon sergeant, which would be
a staff sergeant, which wouldbe the six Right.
The majority of the timethey're run by a sergeant E five
.
Okay, right Because we're we'repromoting from below.

Speaker 5 (44:13):
So right right right.

Speaker 2 (44:14):
Your fire team leaders would typically always
be an E three, Lance Corp Right,and then, as you're progressing
, right everybody.
So the senior E five sergeantwould be primarily running the
platoon Right, Not always Right,but majority of the time would.
Would be that way.
We just do it.
We're like we're.

(44:35):
We've had these conversations amillion times where we seem to
be like one grade below what youguys do in the army, but we
don't have a million people likethe army, does you know?
So we, we always do less withmore or more with less.
I've said that like four timeswrong.
Yeah, kind of like the guard.
Yeah typically, and I just isthe way it is, you know, and I

(44:57):
think the reason why a lot oftimes, you know, in the Marine
Corps they instill theleadership aspect of a lot of
things because you have to domore or less.
You know, and maybe some of theother branches the same way.
I'd love to have an Air Forceguy come on this podcast and
tell us how that shit runs.
So I've got.
Do we have an Air?
Force yeah well, we do, we have,we have a couple, but they're

(45:17):
sold school.
I don't think they even knowwhat a microphone is.
They barely know what a flipphone is.

Speaker 7 (45:22):
Well, we got Brent Scott.

Speaker 2 (45:24):
Well, he's somewhat recent.
Yeah, but I don't know.
I mean that's Brent.
No, no, no great great guy, butyou know, and he could give an
insight, and I don't even knowwhat he actually did in the Air
Force.
I mean, I have no idea what his, his MOS or his job was.

Speaker 5 (45:46):
I mean, I mean, he had the recruiter, but he's
still recruiting.

Speaker 2 (45:49):
I mean we had Tyler.
I'm yeah, tyler would have beena great guy for you Because
he's still yeah, he's stillactive, right, but at the end of
the day, you know, we all servea different purpose, we all do
different things and I think weall have different experiences.
So I've reached out to a guywho served within security
forces.
He's a Massachusetts statetrooper.
He works at Logan Airport.

(46:10):
So for him it's going to betough because he's like a shift
shift sergeant.
So for him, depending on whenwe do this, it's going to be
tough to get him on.
And I've reached out to one ofmy former guys at 3rd Battalion,
7 Marines and 29 Palms.
Reached out to him.
He's a retired Sergeant Major.
Now he's a retired John Nunez.
He retired, oh, I think, onFacebook a couple, two, three

(46:32):
years ago.
So we talked about this in thelast podcast.
I'd love to reach out to theseguys to see what the differences
are since we've transitionedinto the veteran status, to
these guys that are stillhanging out and are now doing
things in the way you know, asfar as the sexual harassment
stuff and all this differentprocedures and trainings and
stuff have gone on to find outhe was.

(46:53):
He was a, he was a generalinstructor three, four tours
overseas and combat zones.
I mean, he's legit dude and hewas one of the guys.
He was just senior to me and Italked about that.
Captain Sano sounds like me, isthat what it is?

Speaker 3 (47:12):
The guy you're describing.

Speaker 2 (47:13):
Yeah, no, he's, he's.
He's a bad mofo man.

Speaker 5 (47:16):
Yeah, captain Sano, captain in Sano in Sano, for
sure.

Speaker 2 (47:20):
So he was the guy.
So, out of out of all thoseguys I talked about before that
transition, the veteran status,right, we're like this.
This leadership has ruined us.
Right, we're all getting outbecause I don't want to deal
with another four years of thisguy, yeah, leading us.
Right, john Nunez stayed in andhe was.
He was long haul.

(47:41):
Right, he's like the.
He's from Puerto Rico.
Right, he was about four foot11.
And he was he's.
He's a little dude but he wasbadass and straight squared away
.
Love the guy to death.
And I had another guy, tonyPaul skill.
He was on the Marine Corpsshooting team and he actually
became.
He became an officer Right, buthe was.

(48:05):
He was a warrant officer Rightand it was on the shooting team.
He retired probably two, threeyears ago to there were right.
We actually all served togetherand these are the guys that
stuck it out, did the thing andI was actually in Tony's wedding
over in Wisconsin.
Shit forever go.
Jen and I went over there, butawesome guys and I would love to

(48:27):
get either one of those guys inon this podcast to tell us,
like, their experiences andtheir different stuff.
So these are the guys that I'mgoing to be reaching out in the
near future.
I've already reached out toJohn, but I'm going to try to
get ahold of Tony, find out whathe's got going on and get their
insight right on theirtransitions.
There are different things andthe way that the Marine Corps
change or even the militarychange a little bit for them,

(48:49):
you know.
I mean I think it would be agood insight since most of us
have been gone quite a whilebesides you Joe right, You're
probably the most recent guy.

Speaker 4 (48:57):
Just seven years ago, 2017.

Speaker 2 (48:59):
Yeah, and Brett, where were you?

Speaker 7 (49:02):
Got up in 2015.

Speaker 2 (49:03):
So yeah, you guys are right around the same age,
right?
So you know, when we see hertalk about what could the
changes be, we don't even know.
The October 2017 and you stilldon't know what's going on.
So that's a double climbing guyfor you.

Speaker 5 (49:17):
Well, he's a clerk, that's what you see.

Speaker 3 (49:22):
Listen, my 20 years of clerk one.
It's active duty supersedesyour part timey infantry,
whatever that was.

Speaker 5 (49:34):
Hey, hey, still get the same retirement.

Speaker 2 (49:38):
Don't don't get mad at him, because he gets 10% for
those paper cuts.
That's for the VA.

Speaker 5 (49:42):
Oh, that's right.

Speaker 2 (49:43):
He does.
Every paper cuts were 10%.

Speaker 5 (49:46):
That's right.
Right.

Speaker 7 (49:53):
Did we?
I came in late, sorry, my bad,so I'm just going to ask did we
have?
Did we have an agenda that wewanted to talk?

Speaker 5 (50:00):
about.
We don't do agendas here, dude?
I mean, we just keep rolling.

Speaker 7 (50:05):
Whatever, fine, fine, whatever.

Speaker 5 (50:09):
We can talk about something, hooker, talk about it
, but we don't do agendas.
Agendas are old school man,we're new school.
All school agendas is what theclerks use back in the day, says
the 80 year old.

Speaker 7 (50:23):
Yeah no shit.

Speaker 5 (50:26):
No, we don't need agendas.
Why, what's on your agenda?
I don't.

Speaker 7 (50:30):
I was just curious if we were trying to stay into a
certain I think we stayed in apretty good.

Speaker 5 (50:38):
We talked about the VOD patriot pen and how
important that was All right.

Speaker 2 (50:42):
The only thing I want to bring up real quick.
I'm a straight up in the roughto you.
Our rise groups, bad ass Right.
Bingo so so, as a president,I'm going to give a little bit
of kudos to our team.
On that rise group we had sixseven members wrote Christmas
Day here in Michigan, yeah Right, it's like 50 degrees.
We're out there rolling downthe roads today After Christmas

(51:07):
once again seven, eight of usrolling down the road.
Right, we're wearing the cuts,wearing the patches, man we're
with the right numbers and youwould be surprised.
You would be surprised in thislate December in Michigan, how
many people fist pumping theirhands out the truck windows, car

(51:28):
windows like, or even when wemake a stop right To have a
refreshment and I'm going to userefreshment rather- than what
we probably were drinking, butas a refresher water, water we
had to come up to us and saidman, I can't believe you guys
are all right, that's fuckingawesome, right Like that's,
that's cool as shit.

(51:49):
You know and I don't know, joe,when you were riding with us
today, how many people do yousee waving at us?

Speaker 4 (51:53):
or sticking it.
Yeah, I mean, that's somethingI was doing, yeah.

Speaker 2 (51:58):
It's crazy because those, those people put their
bikes away and and I've said itfor years, man, I've never.
I'm knocking on wood.
I'm going to do it here at theAJ Sky Lounge.
I'm going to put another plugin.

Speaker 5 (52:09):
Right.

Speaker 2 (52:11):
I have never pulled my battery out of my bike.
It sits here at the shop.
I go downstairs every couple ofweeks and fired up and let it
run for 1015.
I never pull my fucking battery.
I ride that bitch if the roadsare dry.
I don't care if they're wet.
But I mean, when I mean dry, nosnow, no ice.
Right, I'm going to put it.

(52:32):
Last year I missed January.
I don't want to miss Januarythis year.
I will ride in the rain just toget January this year, even if
I just stay in town.

Speaker 5 (52:40):
I ride wood, you're a ride, so.

Speaker 2 (52:43):
I'm on it, I'm on the road and my turn signals work,
then that's going to constitutethe ride this year on the block,
because last year I never gotto.
It was like 44 degrees or 42degrees and the raining and I
was like, no, I'm not going toride in the rain this year.
Fuck that, I ride that bitch.
So I could say I was hoping toget 12 years straight, or 12

(53:05):
months straight you own it.

Speaker 4 (53:07):
We should get a pass for the group for all 12 months.
So you didn't get James.

Speaker 2 (53:11):
So then I would be the only guy that wears it.
That's not cool, because youcan't just have the president
wear one.

Speaker 5 (53:15):
No, I wouldn't get it too.

Speaker 2 (53:18):
We'll see, we'll see.

Speaker 5 (53:20):
We'll see.

Speaker 2 (53:21):
Hooker, I doubt that.

Speaker 5 (53:23):
Why I did February, March, April, May, June, July,
October.

Speaker 2 (53:27):
You're almost there, man.
You're almost there with me.

Speaker 5 (53:29):
I'm not saying with the incentives.

Speaker 7 (53:31):
He's a little senile, so he's a misogist.
I'll get it, so he did misogist.

Speaker 5 (53:39):
When Charlie was saying all them people fist
bumping and stuff like that, Ididn't see any of them because I
was looking at Phoenix'sbackpack.

Speaker 6 (53:50):
So for all those that don't know Joel, joel is on the
podcast tonight.
He has.
His real name is Tech hisbetter half way better.

Speaker 4 (54:02):
Much better looking.
I don't know how I got so lucky.

Speaker 5 (54:05):
We all wonder the same thing.
We're all wondering the samething.

Speaker 4 (54:08):
There's a reason I don't pay for lottery tickets,
because I already won.

Speaker 2 (54:11):
It, either it, either you must be hung like a fucking
rhinoceros?

Speaker 5 (54:14):
Not at all.
Or you're a millionaire.

Speaker 2 (54:17):
We're trying to figure it out.
You got lots of money, you'rehung like a horse, but either
way, yeah.
So when the first time I evermet her right, we're doing a
bike night, we go up to Sanfordbike night.
We do it every week becauseit's great promotion for the VFW
when we all show up and we'resupporting the causes and doing
the things.
First time I ever met the laterJoe's, new to new to our post,

(54:40):
over the summer we roll up andI'm like he read the contract
sport bike right, cow's eye,yeah, ninja, yeah, I'm not sure
what it is.
Okay, this is exactly what itis.
It's like 100 horsepower, alittle thousand, what is it?
Thousand.

Speaker 4 (54:58):
This is 636.

Speaker 2 (54:59):
Okay, so 600 CC.
They come rolling up to a bikenight.
She hops off the back, theycome in the gate, you know where
the beer tent is and all thestuff, right.
And I'm like man, you lookgreat as a backpack.
And right then her road namegot set up backpack and that

(55:20):
apparently becomes a derogatoryterm, which I didn't like it,
she hated it.
She hated it, I love it Hatedit.

Speaker 4 (55:30):
It's the best.
She felt like it was an item,like she was a possession.

Speaker 2 (55:34):
So then, we try to change it to duffel bag, duffel
bag or flight bag or flight bag.

Speaker 4 (55:41):
We could have went now on my bag.
We tried to change the time.
I'm going to come out and plugat one point.

Speaker 2 (55:46):
Okay, I'm going to work with that, but that's
usually what Tim uses on hisHarley.
Bingo is the public.
But I mean at the end of theday.
Yeah, she absolutely hated it.
So not yet.
So her real name ended upturning into Phoenix, but I will
tell you this I'm the rear roadcaptain no you're starting arms
.

Speaker 5 (56:07):
Well, now I'm starting arms.
I was just a rear road captainand I really enjoyed riding
behind them.
I'm just saying.

Speaker 2 (56:18):
Well, she wears like a hundred and thirty dollar pair
of jeans when she rides right.
Yeah, and they're all cut upall the way the seam is ripping,
so that's maybe what you liked.
Bingo Is that I did hear thecomplaint about five pair of
jeans at 160 bucks a piece.
Yeah, who pays that much foryeah, that's, that's the same.
Well, apparently tax got a lotof money over there.

(56:40):
Especially, I don't know whereit's going, especially when
they're all ripped up.

Speaker 5 (56:44):
The jeans are going to jeans Ripping, yeah,
especially when she buys themall ripped up.
I just like the strategicallyplaced rips.

Speaker 4 (56:52):
By the time you see, them are ripped up.

Speaker 5 (56:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (56:58):
You know what?
I think I'm a guy.
I think she's a lucky woman.
That's what I think.
What's?

Speaker 1 (57:03):
up.

Speaker 3 (57:04):
She's a lucky woman.
That's what I think I had a jobabout my own jeans.

Speaker 2 (57:09):
You have your own job and you buy your own jeans.
Well, here's Amicount.
Amazon account says that's alie.

Speaker 3 (57:17):
I think Joe's the better half, joe's a better half
, definitely.
Joe's got to be the better halfto put up with you, joe, is the
better half.

Speaker 5 (57:24):
No, I just.
Well, he is a good adjunct.

Speaker 2 (57:29):
So what I'm going to say.
You have the president and thevice president of the range
group sitting at this tabletonight right and her
reapplication after the firstfew years definitely in jeopardy
at this point Because we don'thave to accept it right.
So, like, just like I say right, we don't have to accept it,

(57:50):
she can go oh there we go.
Well, just follow her around ohyeah, that's right, she has, she
has.
She's getting her own bikeright.
She's getting her dad's bike.
Yeah, yeah, which would beawesome.
So you know our speeds be muchlower though, which is cool,
because you know my wife has herendorsement.

(58:11):
Jen, lady, lady, jen the right,she has her own endorsement, so
I had to.
600 Honda shadow.
So this is so she, she loved it,it was obviously too small Got
rid of it.
Kids are going through sportsand doing all the things, so I
got rid of it.
Then I got the Harley.
She's like, oh, I can ride that, you know.

(58:32):
So she hops on it, dumps itlike within five feet, dumps it.
She's going from like a 400pound bike to a 900 pound bike
and Lady Jen weighs about a buck30.
Right, and she's like five,four, she could.
And I have a lowered seatbecause I'm not a tall guy, I'm

(58:52):
like 511.
I'm not tall, right, and for me, sometimes pushing that thing
backwards, if we're in a parkingspot and we got to go up to a
building and you know theparking lot slopes, I, yeah, I
did, yeah, for sure, 100%.
I, I didn't dump it though,right, nope, but yeah.
So she's even worse than me andtrying to lug eight times her

(59:13):
body weight backwards.
You know, yeah, she juststraight.
There was just way too much forher, but she thought, you know
she was, she had it still, youknow, and it's been five years,
six years, since she's sound offreedom, since she's ridden the
bike.
I love that.

Speaker 4 (59:29):
I remember the first time I got on top of here during
the stoker course I was goingon a curb.
I was grinding the whole wayaround so I can't turn on a
crotch rocket.
I was like I know that, no.

Speaker 5 (59:37):
So with that being said, joker has some little
midget legs too.
I had to.
I had to get off the bike, butwhy is Sean Parkerson upward?

Speaker 2 (59:52):
upward.
I said the same thing, we went,so yeah so we're gonna have to
talk about my per.
So Viper, come up here to theshop.
He stores his bike here, so hecomes out.
Unfortunately, it's crazy.
The Honda right all everybodythat doesn't ride a Harley makes
fun of Harley's right.
We leak oil this, that and theother right.

(01:00:13):
So I go.
Two weeks ago, three weeks agogo I going out on a ride.
Harley fires right up Honda.
He has a Honda VTR, vtx 1800things crazy, fat, crazy fast.
It is doesn't start.
So I'm, I'm message him.

(01:00:35):
You know he's.
He's a world-class mechanic forGM.
I was like 1500 in the UnitedStates.
Yes, he is dude, is legit,right.
If you got something to befixed, I don't care if you got a
Toyota, you got, whatever thehell you drive, send your shit
to him, he's legit, he'll be mymechanic for life bike doesn't

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start.

Speaker 3 (01:00:56):
It sounds like you want a Marion but well, I
digress at least like you know,he can rub up your wife's gonna.

Speaker 2 (01:01:03):
He can rub up your wife when, when we're out, we're
out in Vegas for a darktournament, so I do snuggle with
him for sure okay, all rightthat's kind of guys wear, but
his, his Honda doesn't start, soof course they send him a video
.
You know then, like, of courseHarley starts, but the Honda
because I was making fun of usabout our oil leaks or whatever

(01:01:24):
else.
So he comes here and he jumps itearlier and we go to, we go to
have lunch before we're gonnaride today, which was mostly
beer, I mean super soup.

Speaker 5 (01:01:34):
You had soup there you go, so no be that way, so
another light soup.

Speaker 2 (01:01:38):
We go to, we go to back up and he picks the spot
against the building where theparking lot sloped away from the
building, obviously as itshould be, and I'm like I'm
trying to lug you know 900pounds backwards and I'm like,
really, man, you think my roadcaptain would at least put me in
a park?
There's a million parking spotsout here and he wants to back

(01:02:00):
up to the building like the coolguy yeah.
I'm trying to slug the soul.
Anyways, we got this guy Joker.
He's tipped his bike over twicethe last month once well, we
out at Loomis lounge.
He tipped it there and hetipped it before that, because I
was with him before that.
I didn't know that I think he'sdone a third time.
To be honest with you, I thinkhe's not a third time, so he's

(01:02:21):
just a short dude.
You know he's trying to pullthe equivalent of street glad,
right, he nine airpounds tryingto pull it backwards in a spot.
He's tiptoeing it, you know,and it gets this time of year,
everything is wet all the timeand you have dirt everything
else in the parking lot, right.
So, yeah, he lays it over, butI did it.
I did it two months ago, right,we went to an open night, yeah

(01:02:47):
but you didn't lay it down?
no, I did, I straight up laid itdown on the road, it on the
road.

Speaker 5 (01:02:52):
It was a parking lot.
Sure, I didn't see that oh no,I was pulling on a parking spot
and that thing straight 180 downyeah, but you went on there,
you went on the roadbars, ohyeah, oh I did not.

Speaker 2 (01:03:02):
Yeah, I came, I came right off and had tip it back.

Speaker 5 (01:03:04):
I was I was right you and I was starting that's why I
couldn't see, because he's gotthat fucking blinding headlight
hey.

Speaker 2 (01:03:11):
LEDs man, 100%.
If you, if you got a bike outthere and you'll listen to this,
led, 1000%.
Spend the money, get a greatheadlight because you never know
what's gonna be out there and Ihate red net dusk.
I'm not gonna ride in thesummertime between, like you
know, eight, nine o'clock.
No, I'll wait till 11 o'clockto leave somewhere.
So it's pitch black because Iget the full effect of my

(01:03:34):
headlight.
Yep, all about safety firstover anything else.
So we not leaving.
We had to an open night at aclub that's with us here in town
and I want to leave and theparking lot had like mud and
dirt and grass growing upbetween the cracks, straight
spun my bike sideways andstraight up laid it down and it

(01:03:57):
took me to turn the bike off,turn it back on to get it
started again was it was thatnight?

Speaker 5 (01:04:03):
was it just me, or was it like really cold, crazy
dark?
No, no well it's.

Speaker 3 (01:04:10):
I thought it was crazy dark.
It's where we were at.
It was really dark.
It's late, it's late it was.

Speaker 5 (01:04:15):
It was late fall in Michigan, man, it was like
October, november and it getsdark at four o'clock well, no, I
understand that, but when I'mwhen we were running, we come
down, isabella, and then we comedown yeah, and they open that.

Speaker 2 (01:04:28):
They open at six and we got there like at 6 30 and it
was dark.

Speaker 5 (01:04:31):
Oh, it's crazy dark, but I thought it was darker than
normal.
Yeah, I, that's what I thoughtyou're, you're.

Speaker 4 (01:04:39):
Did you have a sunglasses on?

Speaker 5 (01:04:41):
no, no so it's so, it's a deal like don't make me
fire you adjutant no, when Ican't fire, no one else do the
job no, when there's, whenthere's snow.

Speaker 2 (01:04:51):
Everybody knows when there's snow and it's eight
o'clock at night and there's thefull moon, it's bright outside
because the snow's, the snow'sreflected in the moonlight right
, so in the fall there's no snowand it's dark.
At six o'clock it's justfucking dark well, I mean
there's nothing to reflect thelight off the ground it was
exceptionally dark.

Speaker 5 (01:05:11):
No, fuck.

Speaker 3 (01:05:12):
No, I agree, I thought it was really dark that
night as well.

Speaker 2 (01:05:16):
No, I just straight spun that shit.
No, we're not talking about,we're not talking about you,
fuck up.

Speaker 5 (01:05:21):
I'm just talking about the ride over.
I thought it was, I thought itwas dark even driving through
town and yes, I agree.
And Sergeant First Class TrayPorter, you ain't got a, you
ain't got to agree with the, theinfantry guy, okay.

Speaker 2 (01:05:37):
I would disagree with the infantry right guy on a
general rule, just so you know,like the summer solstice, right
like, ends in September andthat's when it starts getting
dark.
And then, like in December, isthe winter solstice and it
starts getting lighter every day.
Right so like right now, we'realready past the darkest day of

(01:05:59):
the year and now we're gettinginto the lighter day of the year
no, I tracked that, I'm justsaying that.

Speaker 5 (01:06:05):
That night, when we rolled, I thought I just want to
make sure we're clarified yes,me at the end of the, because I,
I run, I'm the tail gun.
Yeah, I'm the tail gunner.
It.
I was like man, this is justfucking dark man and that's kind
of what I thought the whole waythrough, even coming down by

(01:06:29):
Walmart in there and even downIsabella with the lights, I was
like it just seems, you see, andmaybe my headlights ain't what
they should be, and that's theproblem.

Speaker 2 (01:06:41):
Yeah, I must find the money.
Yep, I'm gonna fix them.
Use that commander funds.
There you go.
Don't, don't get like 500 amonth to fix my motor cycle.
Yeah, I mean, if you're outthere doing post commander
business there you go man surethere's a way to write it off
right, right, we got thequartermaster here tonight.
I mean, come on, man, not achance.
And come on, we gotta make surethat the commander uses his

(01:07:04):
funds if the riders group votestell you how a motion for that
right yeah, you gotta make amotion for that no, he's just a
rector.
He needs department funds forthat bingo.
Oh yeah, there you go but ifhe's out there doing post
commander stuff, he should bepost commander funds, no what?
Do you mean no, we'll?
let we'll let a judge decidethis.

Speaker 5 (01:07:25):
I am the judge.
No, I am the judge spent themoney we'll let.

Speaker 2 (01:07:29):
It is about a county judge.

Speaker 5 (01:07:31):
Yeah, that's what.

Speaker 2 (01:07:34):
I'm saying but no offense was this about some.

Speaker 5 (01:07:37):
It was a man in about .
Tray said I could do it.
I say you could do it.
Charlie said I could do it.
I wife used to work for thebroskier you don't think.

Speaker 4 (01:07:50):
I think of this.
Maybe it was a cloudy.

Speaker 5 (01:07:54):
I think it was cloudy .
It was a cloudy night.
I just thought it was.
I just thought it was darkerthan normal.

Speaker 7 (01:08:01):
I was just gonna ask if you're like you were higher
or something, because maybe I'mnot a motorcycle guy, but to me
dark is just dark.
No, versus light, and we'll seeyou know again.

Speaker 5 (01:08:11):
That's the difference between somebody who runs
around on a boat and somebodythat runs around in the field.

Speaker 7 (01:08:17):
You want to know dark .
Do the balls to four o'clock,watch on a ship in the middle of
the ocean and that's dark.

Speaker 5 (01:08:25):
How about dark is tip when you're doing patrols in a
jungle?
Triple canopy at 5 30 pm andguess what it's?

Speaker 2 (01:08:37):
fucking dark Tim only only enable guy will say balls
to 4 am balls the 4 am.
Yeah, that's right, that'sright we're gonna, we're gonna
say zero hundred, zero four.
Yeah, he's gonna use the wordballs because that's what he's
getting most and normallyMarines stick up for the Navy
guy, but I just hate to say itmuch a hater.
Hey look who.

Speaker 5 (01:09:01):
Look who joined the group yeah, no, the clerk what's
the work?

Speaker 3 (01:09:05):
they hate me cuz they ain't me there you go.

Speaker 5 (01:09:13):
No, I love you, cuz you paid me we love you cuz we
eat unless you started talkingshit, then you got cut off.

Speaker 4 (01:09:20):
I don't know why your pace stopped guys that I swear
there's a specific pot of money,if you guys have to have put to
the side.
So we fix one soldier's paperproblem, shift the next guy yeah
, you screw the next guy.

Speaker 2 (01:09:40):
Well, I could tell you this.
I can tell you, this is arotational deal may take a
thousand guys don't get back toyou.
But yeah, we're gonna make thisa rotational.

Speaker 3 (01:09:47):
D fast had a, you had to have an accuracy rate of 95%
.
That means 95 to.
It might have been as high as97, but what that means is five
to three percent of people's payis gonna be fucked up at any
given year round, yeah and aminute.

(01:10:08):
We're talking about a millionpeople, at least a million
people.
How?
How many is three percent of amillion?

Speaker 2 (01:10:14):
I would be one of them, and I'm gonna say 30,000
30,000 at 3% 50,000 we alwaysseem to have somebody to level
okay.
I'm just saying, I'm just agyrene trying to throw spit
numbers out there.
Okay, so there you go, look atthat so here, here I go.

Speaker 5 (01:10:40):
You know I fuck with everybody, right?
I mean, I don't care if youain't a grunt, you're nothing
you ain't infantry.
Hold on, hold on.
If you ain't in for tree,you're nothing.
But I'll tell you what the mostimportant people when you're
deployed was your pay people nono, no, yes sir tell me no, let

(01:11:05):
me.
Let me say hold on, let me, letme finish my statement.
Then you can say you're the paypeople, because pay is morale.
You don't get paid, the moralegoes whoo in the sheer so you're
saying the clerk is importantyeah, absolutely, I'm saying the
clerk is as much as I fuck witha clerk let me ask you this one

(01:11:25):
deployed pay is everything.
Pay is everything.
I never had one problem when Iwas deployed, never once.
The only problem I had is whenI come home.
And then they kept wanting tocharge me the the child support
that I had signed up for, why itwas on active duty.

(01:11:46):
And then, once I come home,they never.
They never stopped it becauseyou had to go through a whole
another bullshit about it.
You know, you don't.
You know I'm talking about,right?
Yep, that's the only issue Iever had when I asked you
question.

Speaker 2 (01:12:02):
Yes, sir, when you were deployed.
You care about ammo, you careabout your child to care about
your gear.
Would you just care about yourpay?

Speaker 5 (01:12:14):
we cared about everything, but pay was the pay
was the most important thing.

Speaker 2 (01:12:18):
No, no, I tell you, if you didn't, if you were
anywhere.
Yet no well, share me here.
But let me ask you a question,though.
But if you didn't have thoseother things, did you know life
not suck?
100%.

Speaker 3 (01:12:30):
So don't say that's the most important thing,
because I hate to tell you, butyou were always getting
challenge.
You were always getting ammo.
No, yes, always, because theyalways made sure but, what.

Speaker 5 (01:12:40):
I think was the one, the one thing that could get
fucked up by a somebody's, butso ammo on it so

Speaker 2 (01:12:49):
could you tell?
I'm sure it could, becausethere's still some dude sitting
in office or woman sitting inoffice mistyping number and
rather, in order to thousandrations, she ordered a hundred
rations we got stuck inAfghanistan for like an extra
week or two because ourtransportation guy didn't book a
damn airplane to get us home.

Speaker 5 (01:13:06):
Okay, I can see that so now, so now.

Speaker 2 (01:13:08):
So now, wait a minute , I can't be out to that, right?
So now you have a ride home.
For how many people for a week?
About 60 of us, okay.
So 60 at three, three squares aday, right, you're talking 320
meals per day.
Time, tell me days, 10 days,seven days.
Right, so you can be talking360 meals.
So if that person wasn't ontheir game and had them fed for

(01:13:30):
a week at that, 360 meals or 420meals depends on how many days
they were there, right, that isa big f up yep.
So that person was just damn asimportant as a person to make
sure their pay was there 10 daysafter they got back.
They weren't even eating whilethey were there but
unfortunately, let me, let mebreak you're worried about child

(01:13:52):
support?
no, let me.

Speaker 5 (01:13:54):
Let me break your heart, okay.
When, when you were in for thefour years five years you were
exactly right.
Ammo and child was a big thing.
When I, when I, went to Iraq,they had a fucking 24 hour, 24 7
mess hall that you could go towhenever the fuck you wanted to,

(01:14:17):
and they didn't care how manytroops run through it.
You could run through it asmany times you fucking want to
do it.
The ammo was in a bunker thatyour platoon sergeant went to.
Your first sergeant said hey,we're going out on patrol and we
need excellent ammo.
We didn't have to do it likewhere I'm talking about when,

(01:14:38):
when me and you early on, yes,the platoon sergeant said hey, I
have to have X amount ofrations, I get X amount of
fucking food but, but nodifferent, but no different to
yours.

Speaker 2 (01:14:48):
Right, you could run through this child as many times
you wanted, but that's just saythey only had a thousand pounds
of chicken and there was athousand guys.
They went through their head ofyou.
You don't get chicken, no moreno, you'd get state fuck.

Speaker 3 (01:14:59):
You know I'm gonna suck is eating a lot of chicken.

Speaker 5 (01:15:02):
But what if you got nothing?
But what I'm saying, charlie,is you never did because these
people, we had surf and turfevery Friday because you had
someone there making sure theship was ordered.
It was there for you to eat itwas called KBR is called KBR got
paid billions well, yeah not tofuck that up.

Speaker 2 (01:15:22):
I get it because we talked about us live pop last
podcast.
Right, like we had.
We had the locals right thatwere cleaning our place.
Never, they were doing our shitin guitar.
Right, I get what you're saying, but at the end of the day,
someone still had to typesomething in the computer no
different than your pay, right,to make sure you got paid.
They still had to type in tomake sure that you had the

(01:15:42):
supplies that you needed,regardless if there was a
hundred of you there, a thousandthere, agree.
If they typed in the wrongmultiplier and rather than do it
by a hundred, they weresupposed to be doing it by a
thousand, he did it by a hundred.
You're still short.
It's not like stuff's gettingthere.
You know, fedex the next day,right?

Speaker 5 (01:15:59):
no, I agreed, right, but KBKBR, kbr's and I don't
know a lot about KBR, butthey're thing was we had our fob
which had X amount of soldierson it, and you do three, three
meals and then you had the, themidnight sandwiches and stuff

(01:16:19):
like that, but they did all thatbullshit and then times that by
10, so you were never out offood.
The only time we were ever outof food, the only time we are
ever hurting, is when we had togo to the field for four days
and they threw us MREs in theback of a fucking Humvee that
had been sat in the fucking hotass conax melted the shit when

(01:16:44):
you open the mother fuckers.

Speaker 3 (01:16:46):
They were rotten yep you know other than that I was
in Bosnia and I don't knowBosnia, oh yeah, dude nobody is
that where you're mad ever no,nobody cares, so anyways you
remember this whole shit withslobber down Milosevic and then

(01:17:10):
he was a country over yeah, inthe UN, the hostage first class
yep, so I was there when thatwhole thing started and they
gave the locals who worked inour child hall a choice.
They said either you stay on thefob, you leave, you don't come
back till all.

(01:17:31):
This is most of chose to leave.
I'd say 98% of them left like,nope, we're going home.
And boy, that was a rough threemonths because we didn't eat
anything but MREs for three wowwe became pretty some, some

(01:17:55):
connoisseurs, some chefs.

Speaker 5 (01:17:56):
So I'm gonna so the MRE.

Speaker 2 (01:17:58):
Yep, I'm gonna do a great.
This is a great segue to theMREs right.
Mre so we were not so sorry.
We went to the field for weeks,right?
Two weeks ain't nothing butMREs, right, we get back on the
bus.
We're going back to base.
I ain't shit in ten days,literally, I let one go.

(01:18:22):
Right, it was bad.

Speaker 5 (01:18:25):
I shit, you shit I haven't.

Speaker 2 (01:18:27):
I haven't shit in ten days.
So it's like either this isgonna be gas or this is not
gonna be good, it's gonna be.

Speaker 5 (01:18:33):
I gotta change my drawer.

Speaker 2 (01:18:34):
I let one go.
I'm watching guys roll thewindows down the bus they're
trying to get fresh here right,mm-hmm, I let another one go in
my staff start in the front ofthe bus goes he's changed the
smell.
I'm tasting something different.

(01:18:55):
That's that bad.
Like you could tell thedifference between the first one
and the second one.
He's like he's changing flavors.
He's changing flavors, guys arehanging their heads out the
window.
It was that bad, like when youhave first thing we did when he
got back.
We always had we was, we wereat the field, we made sure you

(01:19:15):
had Coca-Cola.
Right, you start slammingCoca-Cola when you got back to
the next room oh yeah, that'llclear your system on heartbeat.
If you've been packing afteryou've been packing two, three
weeks at.
My recent staff starts likeit's changing flavors.

Speaker 5 (01:19:31):
Is it better than me?
So lack of it was bad bro.

Speaker 2 (01:19:37):
It was bad.
We used to take our boots right.
We call them boots your privatewe call them boots.

Speaker 1 (01:19:44):
You want?

Speaker 5 (01:19:44):
to do just the other boots, right?

Speaker 2 (01:19:46):
yeah, so we know he's like you know, they always try
to impress you what else wouldyou call the motherfucker other
than boots?

Speaker 1 (01:19:51):
they go on footwear.
Go on your fucking.

Speaker 5 (01:19:54):
No they call you guys they call them footwear in the
Navy in the air, for so we knowthat's what they dance in so
we'd always take the crackers,right, we'd make them do a race
off.

Speaker 2 (01:20:04):
See, you take two packets of the crackers you like
.
Whoever wins doesn't have to doduty tonight.
Right, fire watch when you'rein the field.
These mofos are taking twopackets of MRE crackers oh, no,
they're the driest fuckingthings ever when you the big.
You can't drink the big four byoh yeah, oh yeah.
Big big squares.
It's like four club crackersall in one square.

(01:20:25):
There's two and two big.

Speaker 5 (01:20:27):
Yeah, there's eight crackers.

Speaker 2 (01:20:28):
They're eight of them oh they're the driest fucking
things on the field.
You might as well lick sand.
Yeah, sand has more water, nowater, no, water, no no and
whoever finishes up two packetsof those fuckers doesn't have to
stand fire watch that nightyeah, it's certain amount of
time to finish it and ease it.
No, we would just do a race offif you had four of them saying

(01:20:49):
there, right, the one guy thatwins doesn't have to do fire
watch that night.
These guys are trying to packthem things down and they're
spitting crumbs out there.
They're crying for mom.

Speaker 5 (01:21:01):
Like it was terrible somebody pee in my mouth,
somebody in my house crackerswere the worst.

Speaker 2 (01:21:10):
There weren't allowed to drink nothing.
You know, they just had to doit raw dog, do it dry, take her
dry.
And you know we're sittingthere to say that we're doing.
We're laughing watching theseguys.
They're just shoveling them.

Speaker 3 (01:21:22):
We're like that's not the right strategy, boys yeah,
we call those the reindeer games, so that that kind of stuff.
And yeah, we had, we had guysthat used to they would take
that damn can't.
I can't think of was it milk ofmagnesium?

Speaker 2 (01:21:43):
yeah, yeah.
So it's like, yeah, like it mayrelax, kind of shit yeah yeah,
we're, you're gonna shit oh yeah, instantly.

Speaker 3 (01:21:51):
Yeah, pretty much 30 minutes right and whoever held
it the longest, that's the onewho won.
So it would drink a bottle ofthat, and then whoever held it
the longest.
So the one thing.

Speaker 5 (01:22:02):
I said you guys are fucking you guys are fucking
ruthless yeah oh, that's what.
That's what the boots back theonly thing we did in the
infantry is tea bag.
Mother fuckers.

Speaker 4 (01:22:14):
Okay, red bull, what's that?
You never did the night callingRed Bull?
No stays awake the longest thatway like well in red bull no,
fuck that that's new school.

Speaker 2 (01:22:25):
I like that.
We didn't have Red Bull back inthe day.
We didn't have Nas.

Speaker 5 (01:22:30):
We didn't have any of that when I was in Iraq we had
Tiger piss and that's what it'scalled in.
That shit would be like no wehad like those.

Speaker 2 (01:22:41):
What have the eight hour, ngs, 10 hour and G's where
?
We're called like those shopbottles, yeah, or those five
hour five hour energy.
Yeah, yeah, we had those, butwe didn't have them.
Red Bulls monsters no, no,that's not a man.
We'd.
You'd pack a couple of thosefor you went on.
Duty man, you're shaking likeleaf.
They were terrible, man.
I had a bad experience on thosethings shaking like a query in

(01:23:05):
a hot dog.
Sorry, I can't say that theMarine Corps is part of the.
Navy so maybe that was the Navythis podcast is marked explicit
for reasons cool thought ahead,you fuckers those are.
You know the fun things we didwith our boots, you know.

(01:23:27):
So I was at fast.
Yeah, we still, we still have alot of games.
We didn't call them reindeergames, but yeah, we definitely
did talk about games, wedefinitely did some.
Yeah, we always said you knowour drilling structures.

Speaker 5 (01:23:39):
They were like I'm Milton Bradley, you know gang
they were.

Speaker 2 (01:23:43):
I'm full of games, so to the recruits and boot camp.
We'll play the games.
I'm Milton Bradley, we.

Speaker 4 (01:23:50):
I developed the games right this wasn't so much a
game that we did, but it justmade me think of it.
So I had my stripes on Coloradoand there's another eight.
Five was in the unit andMondays we usually get our stuff
done pretty quickly, you knowdoing the motor pull stuff, but
we had this day.
This is a lunchtime.
No matter what we were doing,we had to save the lunchtime.
We had this guy come in.
His last name was gobble andhis wrong Thanksgiving time, so

(01:24:13):
his actual name was gobble hisactual name was gobble.
So we one of us was down oneside multiple.
No much, daniel, we go.
Whoa, you have to go running.
He about three cores away downthe motor pool get one in the
shot so it's on boot camp.

Speaker 2 (01:24:30):
Right, you're a recruit in the Marine Corps,
right?
you're not a private or anythingelse, right, regardless what
your rank is PFC when you getout and you'd be like, oh, you
recruit so-and-so needs to makea head call.
The drill, sir, be like fuckoff straight up, fuck off your
pistol pants, I'm gonna fuck.
No, sir, this recruit has tomake an emergency head call.

(01:24:51):
They're like I don't hear asiren, so they would literally
make him run making like theirestate trooper, making the
fucking siren noise and shit.
Hilarious dude.
Oh my god, that's great.
So you know.
So I have to have to say thisbecause my son was pissed off.

Speaker 6 (01:25:13):
He was here yeah, I told you guys, I told you guys.

Speaker 2 (01:25:18):
Last podcast my son listens podcast sees down his
bedroom right.
Me and the wife are sitting inthe living room right watching a
show.
Whatever he comes in, pause it.
So I pause it and I'm likewhat's up, dude?
He was like motherfucker, Idon't run a mile and a half in a
little ten minutes and 30seconds.

(01:25:39):
I do it in six minutes and 50seconds, or whatever.
I had to straight up, correctit.
So I want to make sure thathe's gonna listen to this, and I
told him I was gonna say it no,it's a great segue, because he
was pissed at me.

Speaker 3 (01:25:53):
You should probably, I think it's.
It's faster than six minutesand 50 seconds.
You should, I think.

Speaker 2 (01:25:58):
I just want me to say six minutes, flat five minute
miles I you might want he.

Speaker 3 (01:26:02):
He literally said he ran two miles, a mile and a half
two miles and 11, something hesaid to me that I thought it was
.

Speaker 2 (01:26:10):
I thought it was a mile and a half and six.

Speaker 5 (01:26:11):
We better call him okay no, how about he just prove
it?
Well, you can call him Charlie,but we, we want to sit there
and watch him run a mile and ahalf and six minutes you know I
take everybody at their word andno offense.
The kid played soccer no, Iknow he can run and the kids.
A beast.
No, he is a beast.

Speaker 2 (01:26:32):
I know I'm not saying he's not, he's, he's a tough
kid, but he's, he's ripping the20 some pull-ups, but we're,
we're dickheads.
Prove it, trust me.
I'm his dad, I'm the biggestdick there is to the peanut
gallery wants to say somethingyeah, he's, he's from my recall.

Speaker 5 (01:26:55):
I want to know who is chasing her.
When she was running the 1.7probably your husband, joe.

Speaker 4 (01:27:01):
You sure wasn't seven minutes when she's running me
it was way after that, way, way,although she did watch me win a
race, but we hadn't, officiallynot yet what kind of race was
it?

Speaker 3 (01:27:16):
okay, and you want it .
When was this?

Speaker 4 (01:27:21):
no 2006.

Speaker 5 (01:27:25):
Joe thinks he can play basketball.
I'd like to do it, but my Iblow a knee or a hip, I made my
post cuz I would.
I would fucking turn him upsidedown like I did shim.
All I got to do is stand by thebasket.
You got to come there, no, Idon't, I'll come out there and
push you on the ground there.

Speaker 3 (01:27:46):
I don't care, I'll make it.

Speaker 2 (01:27:49):
I'll trip your ass I don't care, you shut your mouth
he won't make it all right, sojust try to call me.
Didn't answer, of course hesays me the voicemail like every
other millennial all rightscreen, it's greenest call so.
I just text him tell me to callme.
So I'm gonna throw him onspeaker because I don't know how
the Bluetooth to this podcast,but I'll throw my speaker and he

(01:28:10):
can.
He can yeah, we.

Speaker 3 (01:28:13):
I want to make sure we get this right.
I don't know, he was prettyfucking up.
Hey, trust me and he come downand he he had the daggers and
the eyeballs right.

Speaker 2 (01:28:22):
He's like dad, I don't do it cuz, okay, okay so
his name is Andrew.

Speaker 3 (01:28:27):
Right, andrew, yeah, okay, so you call me Andy come
all right.
So just so we're clear me andso that everybody out there in
the world calling boot that,andrew, not a boot, yet he
didn't even recruit training.
Okay, andrew slash.
Andy Klein is a beast when he'srunning his three miles.
Okay, he's running at least an11 minute two mile, probably

(01:28:51):
like a like a 13 minute threemile, right, no, no, he's, he's
gonna be, like a three 13 minute, I'm gonna give him that
bullshit.

Speaker 2 (01:29:01):
I'm not, I'm not that dad that's gonna sugar go out
tell you what?

Speaker 5 (01:29:05):
I know the.
He played soccer and you knowthat's, that's a nice girl sport
.
I mean, he played soccer butyou run all the time.

Speaker 2 (01:29:15):
So I know that he's very fit it's like cheerleading
is a sport, right?

Speaker 5 (01:29:19):
yeah he's very fit and I know he played, I know he
played football, I know heplayed football and he was a DB
and he was on the kick off.
Kick return, yeah, in the kickoff, kick off, kick off and he
was a gunner and he outrun everymotherfucker on the field so

(01:29:44):
I'm guessing.

Speaker 2 (01:29:44):
I'm guessing.
Here's the deal is deal.
I'm his dad.
I'm never gonna sugarcourtanything.
I'm not gonna tell you my kidsanybody, and he is no different
than anybody else.
I was mistaken.
He told me he run like a mileand a half and like 650 to 630
that's a limping running record.
That's what he's telling me.

(01:30:05):
I can't tell you it's truth ornot, I just tell you what he
tells me.
I think that's a little fastfrom what he's saying.
And he tells me he was kind ofon cruise control.
If he calls me back I'll lethim tell everybody what it is,
and then there's no sugarcoat,because it's him saying what he
says.
I'll put him on speaker formhow tall is he, he's damn near

(01:30:26):
six foot, maybe six, one, six.

Speaker 5 (01:30:29):
I'm gonna he's.

Speaker 2 (01:30:29):
He's taller than me six, one and I'm like five
eleven five.

Speaker 5 (01:30:33):
Well, joe's taller new, no, you know, he's six one.

Speaker 2 (01:30:39):
If he's on his tip toes Joe's telling me usually
he's on his knees, though mywife will definitely tell you,
I'm all six foot.
I had a soldier, he was aboutsix one maybe six.

Speaker 3 (01:30:56):
Two, and his name was Eric Vaughn.
Hopefully here's one day myreal name's gonna be anaconda,
this kid was a afro.
This kid would run a mile infive minutes and run a two mile
in about 11 minutes then why ishe running the Olympics?

(01:31:16):
Man listen he would smoke acigarette before he did this and
then smoke a cigarette rightafter.
Like he was just naturallygifted, could run like a, like
an antelope then why didn't hego into the Olympics?

Speaker 5 (01:31:30):
why did he go in their fucking army man?

Speaker 3 (01:31:33):
because he liked drugs too much okay, all right.

Speaker 2 (01:31:36):
All right.
So I just found out why hedidn't answer my phone call.
He's at work oh, okay so I justhad to check his family.
Is that he's?
Begging his girlfriend now he'sa lifeguard right, so he was
legit as a kid we have alifeguard where at the water?

Speaker 5 (01:31:53):
park there's the San.

Speaker 2 (01:31:55):
Diego casino water park.
So as a kid we had a programit's called the Pacer program.
Here I'm up by the so it's aclub level competitive swim team
.
Right, don't bring anybody thatcan actually swim, but but they
would pair kids, you know,based on their abilities and
they make relays and all stuff.

(01:32:16):
So he was actually a statelevel competitor.
You swam in states and they wonstates.
They were like first place, youknow, in a four-man relay.
So like what you watchingOlympics?
Right guy gets in, doesfreestyle, next guy gets in,
does butterfly, next his back.
That says butterfly right right,he was on a relay team that won
.
States though that he was.

(01:32:38):
He's that good of a swimmer,right, so I'm not worried about
him as far as qualifying at theboot camp, right yeah he's.
He's a fish.
His sister was same way ourdaughter.
She got scholarships to collegefor swimming for being a fish.
She could have gone to schoolfor free to be a fish the
fucking swim, right, yeah, andturn them down.

(01:32:59):
And they were, like you know,division two, that she wasn't,
you know gonna swim Michigan orIllinois or whatever, right, but
she would swim at, you know,the Grand Valleys, or?
William and Mary or was shewanted to go up in the North
country.
Yeah, so, and, which is ablessing, because she met her
husband.
I love the guy that right then,ben's a great dude.
But long story short, our kidsare in their mom.

(01:33:23):
Jen right, lady Jen is was.
She was a competitive swimmeras a kid, really.
And yeah, no, yeah, jen was ahell of a swimmer sister.
Same thing, they went throughthe same program.
So anyways, yeah, so he's, he'sa, he's a lifeguard for the
water park.
So I just checked the familycalendar and that's where he's
at, so he'll be out in, you know, half hour, 45 minutes.

(01:33:47):
So probably give us a call ifwhen he when he sees this.
But so what was you?

Speaker 5 (01:33:52):
good at me, you was no good at grammar okay, so how
will we move?

Speaker 2 (01:34:00):
on now, should I?

Speaker 5 (01:34:01):
should I tell you what?

Speaker 2 (01:34:02):
I was actually good as a kid, or should I tell you
the BS story?

Speaker 5 (01:34:06):
yeah, never mind.

Speaker 2 (01:34:07):
I was good at quiff.

Speaker 5 (01:34:10):
I knew it.
I knew he's going there that's.

Speaker 2 (01:34:13):
That's the BS story.
So I played football at my buzz, my school baseball probably a
safety so yeah, defensive backactually.
Db corner safety and then onthe offense wide receiver, wide
receiver, and then I play thirdbase.

Speaker 5 (01:34:30):
So I was on the all-star team.
Well, I can see you doing thewide receiver thing.

Speaker 2 (01:34:34):
So I was always.
I was always called thefearless kid right growing up.
So you know I played third base, play church stop.
And then Kyle pickin Scottpickings he was actually Scotty
was a bullpen catcher for theDetroit Tigers yep yep, but no,
all about him.
So my brother, my wife's sister,katie she married Sean Kerry.

(01:34:59):
It's mom and dad own a radiostation here in town graduated
with Scotty.
I would back up catch for Scottwhen we were younger and it
being a bullpen catcher for theTigers, so he'd go down to a
game and there's Scotty rightwarming up catchers and shit

(01:35:20):
awesome.
And he actually caught forBrandon Ninge.
Brandon Ninge pitched in anall-star game during the homerun
derby and it's got a littleyeah they actually actually
travel together?
yeah, so when they got paired inrooms when they were traveling,
those two were together.
So when, when the Tigers aroundthe road Brandon Ninge so did

(01:35:43):
you and Scotty Scotty were.

Speaker 5 (01:35:45):
Did you catch playing baseball or third base?

Speaker 2 (01:35:47):
I backed.

Speaker 5 (01:35:48):
I was primarily third base and would back up catch if
needed in high school see, whenI, when I played in high school
little league, pony league,peewee league, and I think I
don't know if you remember it wewere at Murphy's and Jerry
Williams come up and said hey,he was our catcher.

(01:36:09):
I always caught, played alittle upfield, played a little
right field, so so what?

Speaker 2 (01:36:18):
if I was, I was pretty fearless.
That's why I played third baseright.
It's where all the hot balls gothird base in church, in church
step okay third base is notfearless, it's stupid.
Well, okay, you're.
You're playing up in the grassin a ball yeah you're just 100
miles anhour, you're just no different
than a shortstop right you'rejust.
You got to be on your hand upthere you gotta be willing to

(01:36:39):
take one to the face.
Yep, yep, right, so you'repretty fearless.
So the guy that I would be as akid, right all through, you
know, point of league, farmleague, all the stuff, right,
kind of back up if we're on thesame team, and those leagues
with Scottie.
And this guy was that good thathe became a bullpen catcher yeah
, that's pretty cool so unlesshe was having an off day or

(01:37:03):
wasn't feeling good or his kneeshurt or back hurt or whatever
was going on, would I ever putpads on.
I mean, he was that good as acatcher?
Yeah, the ball never.
But you have to have a guythat's fearless, because every
pitch is getting thrown to you.
It could get tipped, it couldget this, it could get that.
So you got to be prettyfearless back there at the plate
and it takes a special kind off'd up to stand there.

(01:37:27):
Yes, regardless of how muchgear you got on and take
something to the face or takesomething to the arm or whatever
, right, it's not beingprotected by a pad, right, right
?

Speaker 4 (01:37:38):
that's a nice guy with the bats.

Speaker 5 (01:37:40):
Yeah, in the bat you the whole.
I mean you gotta be all right.

Speaker 2 (01:37:44):
So I mean you, you, you have to be even crazier to
be a catcher right.
I, you had to be good at whatyou didn't and have the
fundamentals, and he had thefundamental.
I mean that's the reason why hegot to where he got at right,
because he was good but hewasn't like pro level.

Speaker 5 (01:37:59):
Good, he was, all he was he was pro enough.

Speaker 2 (01:38:01):
He was getting paid by the Tigers well, but when he
played and he caught an all-stargame, right what?

Speaker 5 (01:38:07):
I'm saying is he wasn't.
He wasn't good enough to be astandard rotation.
Be on a pro level, but, but Ineed to tell you.

Speaker 2 (01:38:15):
I mean, would you say I'm not at the pro level?
I'm on the practice squad ofthe Lions.
No, no you're still on thelines right, so so if you're a
if you're a ball pen catcher forthe Tigers, still a pro level.
You're still kid.
You're still wearing theuniform right.
You're still traveling with theteam.

Speaker 1 (01:38:32):
You're still doing all the shit you're still
getting paid by the Tigers.

Speaker 2 (01:38:35):
Yeah, regardless of whether practice squad for the.

Speaker 4 (01:38:38):
Lions by our escows, you're paying.

Speaker 2 (01:38:39):
Paid by the Tigers, right well, right, but I mean,
but I mean you get, I'm saying,yeah, maybe he didn't make the
full league right, but you'restill good enough to want to be
a guy, because I'm sure which Iguess I could ask, but I'm sure,
at some level, if whatevertheir catcher went down and they

(01:39:03):
had to bring somebody in,that's probably who they're
gonna bring in, because he knowsthe pitchers, he knows the
things.
That's why they haven't.
So it's like the end I shall,yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:39:10):
I watched so he'd be like a four string catcher.

Speaker 2 (01:39:14):
I watched a tic-tac video.
There's a guy from you know.
I don't know if it's it waslike.
Montreal or whatever.
Right, he's like the guy that'ssweeping the ice on the Zamboni,
but he was also the emergencygold tender and then, yeah, then
he had to come in and play for,like, the Miami Hurricanes and

(01:39:36):
he's like from Montreal, yeah,they're playing Montreal, but
they brought him in to be theemergency goaltender because
there are other two goaltenders,yeah, yeah, and this guy comes
in like shuts out his home team,right, so he's not necessarily
on the team, but got broughtinto the team because of
injuries or whatever.
So he would have done the samething.

(01:39:58):
I mean, he was legit, he was no, I'm not saying.
I'm not saying he wasn't, no, no, I know you're not doing that,
but what I'm saying is likeyou're still at that level where
, if you were brought in as anemergency and I'm sure he could
have been Right like, hey, we'regonna put this guy in the IRL
or whatever right, and then thisguy got injured and we could
bring this guy in.

(01:40:19):
So I'm sure that's what happens.

Speaker 5 (01:40:21):
So, charlie, when you caught, you were a cup.

Speaker 2 (01:40:25):
No, you don't wear cups and we didn't even have
knee savers back then.
So there's a knee saver whichwas like a wedge.

Speaker 5 (01:40:30):
No, I know what they knew.
Oh, you're talking about theone behind.

Speaker 2 (01:40:35):
It was behind your knee right, so that way when you
squatted down, it kind of itwas like a wedge.
Yeah, so help hold you up.
So there's a guy's name is ironright.

Speaker 5 (01:40:46):
There's, I'm going, I'm going.

Speaker 3 (01:40:47):
Tim was thinking about the knee pads.
No, I'm going somewhere.

Speaker 2 (01:40:50):
There are, so when I'm the back of your knee, not
the front, yeah, when I uh, when.

Speaker 5 (01:40:55):
I totally different when I played in in junior high,
high school and all that.
I Didn't wear a cup Because itrestricted me, because I
couldn't fit it all.
I couldn't fit it all in thatlittle.

Speaker 2 (01:41:17):
I tried out a three out three XL cup and it still
didn't fit bingo, so the cupsdidn't even matter, so I knew I
was destined for that.
No, at that point.

Speaker 5 (01:41:26):
So so I I'm catching right bull shit over there.
I'm catching in my coach.
My coach come up and he's like,hey, you got your job.
And I'm like, yeah, I'm wearingit.
He goes, you got your cup.
And I'm like, yep, he goes.
Where is it?
I'm like he's like you need toput that shit in there.
I was like, no, it's not thatbig a fucking deal.

(01:41:48):
Well, I took a foul ball.
You love this tray.
I took a foul ball off the backof the fucking plate, came
right up, hit me in thedingleberries and I just fell
over.
Boop, you a catcher, I was acatcher.

Speaker 3 (01:42:07):
Oh, you should have been wearing a cup.

Speaker 5 (01:42:09):
I just fell over and my coach run out there and he's
like you, okay?
And I'm like, oh, yeah, I'mokay.
So he grabbed, he takes hishands, puts it inside my my.
I Probably could have sued himfor sexual abuse, but he put my
hands inside my, my pants, andhe Just jerked me.

(01:42:30):
So my, my fucking nuts aregoing Bah, bah, bah, coming back
up where they should be becausethey were like up by my ear
lobes.
So he calls you know, of coursethere's time out.
And he, I'm rolling around andhe's like you, dumbass, didn't

(01:42:51):
you wear the cup?
And I'm like well, no, I don'tlike it, it's uncomfortable.
He's like here, I'm like oh,put that shit out there.
Put that, put that fucking cupin there, and then I went on to
play the rest of the game.
But as a catcher, if you're acatcher, your son's a catcher,

(01:43:12):
anybody you know as a catcher,wear a cup.

Speaker 7 (01:43:18):
How many kids do you have?
That didn't cause me thelasting damage did it?

Speaker 5 (01:43:22):
No, I have one kid and then I got snipped because I
told my ex-wife that I'm gonnabe done now because I'm not
gonna pay child support on 1,400kids, because all we like to do
is screw and we're gonna bedivorced in a year.

Speaker 7 (01:43:37):
So Like a bunny huh.

Speaker 3 (01:43:42):
Smart man, smart man.

Speaker 5 (01:43:44):
So oh go ahead.
Can I?
Can I throw her out there?

Speaker 3 (01:43:51):
Yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 5 (01:43:52):
All right.
So here we go.
All right, the clerk.
We all talked about the clerk,right?
You know, that's what.
I've changed my road name.
Yeah, you should be the clerk.
Ah, so we got the clerk and theclerk.
He was a finance guy and welove him.
We love him more than Then welike his buddy sham, but anyway,

(01:44:15):
we love him and he.
Uh, why are we hitting on shemtonight?
Because I hate on shem everynight.
But so he.
He worked for the UnitedNations.
He worked in Poland.
Nato, nato, sorry, yep, isn't.
Isn't that the same thing?
No, no no nation's different.
Okay, he worked for NATO and hemeant this gorgeous, beautiful

(01:44:38):
young lady named Eva, and andshe is here tonight with us.
She, just, she just popped in,she, she, through, shem, earth,
shem.
She threw trade tax and saidwhere are you, hooker, because I
want to know where you're at.

(01:44:58):
And then she just showed up.

Speaker 3 (01:45:00):
That's pretty much what it is.
I invited her up here because Iwant to know I wasn't up here
banging a.

Speaker 5 (01:45:06):
Joe Joe.
Charlie or you or me, so soshe's here.
She's here, and AJ Skylone.
So she's up here and she's sataround and and listen to the
podcast and and everybody saywelcome, welcome, young lady.

Speaker 3 (01:45:29):
We're trying to get her to join the riders group
when she gets back to Michigan,but she wants she wants her own
bike.

Speaker 5 (01:45:39):
She should the way you listen.
She should the way you rideclutch.

Speaker 2 (01:45:43):
Isn't there a V-Rod sitting around somewhere?

Speaker 4 (01:45:51):
You're gonna get his point of trouble.

Speaker 5 (01:45:53):
Yeah, you're in trouble.

Speaker 3 (01:45:54):
So anyways, no, she wants an electric bike, go in,
go in.

Speaker 4 (01:46:01):
What I thought.
Mine was quiet.
I guess I won't be the quietest, like no.

Speaker 5 (01:46:05):
No loud bikes.
Save lives.
You got to have gas.
No electric, no one will knowyou're there.
No pull out front of you andyou get run over and dead.

Speaker 3 (01:46:20):
No, no, no, no, no.
Okay, listen, I agree about thecars.
Motorcycle that's a completelydifferent story.

Speaker 5 (01:46:26):
The car I could see because it's bigger, bigger
platform, but a motorcycle ifthey can't hear you, they can't
see you.

Speaker 7 (01:46:37):
It reminds me like it was hilarious little while
after, you know, the electricvehicles started becoming a
thing they had.
They had to start putting.

Speaker 2 (01:46:47):
Ingenuinen's.

Speaker 7 (01:46:48):
Ingenuinen's, so that the blind, like any blind
people trying to cross thestreet, would know that there
was a car.
Come on, or just you know Evenpoint just drive a gas car or
even, or even bicyclists.

Speaker 4 (01:47:01):
Right, totally get it , you imagine, when NASCAR
finally goes electric.
It's a quiet, quiet race.

Speaker 2 (01:47:07):
You know it's like, hey, we got a 45 minute
intersession while everybody pitstops to recharge.
I remember they got thesuperchargers, but it's gonna
take 45 minutes, so we're gonnatake a long commercial break
yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:47:21):
I remember when I was a kid, you know, daytona 500 on
TV and they made this hugething about.
You know, turn up your TV now,just as the cars would go by and
they'd give you the the pure,like HD sound of the engines.
You know, can you imagine thathappening when they all go
electric?
Turn it up now.

Speaker 3 (01:47:41):
So so ladies and I, those electric motorcycles,
those electric motorcycles haveabout 80 to 90 mile range.
Yeah, they don't have it.

Speaker 2 (01:47:55):
No dependent on the freeway speeds right, right,
yeah, yeah and listen.

Speaker 3 (01:47:59):
We cannot.
Supposing, supposing there's aninfrastructure, okay, supposing
there's the infrastructurethere for for the electric bike.

Speaker 5 (01:48:13):
Electric bike.

Speaker 3 (01:48:14):
Yeah, so posing there is because that's few and far
between where we're riding outthere in the middle of nowhere.
It's hard to.
Then we got to wait 30, 45minutes.

Speaker 2 (01:48:27):
Drill, let me let me say this real quick.
So Viper and I right Sean andour riders group Right.
We go out to Vegas for thenational NDA dire tournament
trips out there.
So we rent bikes while we'reout there and the guy that I
rented my bike from it was a 16street glide, so very similar to

(01:48:51):
what I ride.
I ride a street glide, but notthat new.
He actually rents and and ridesa electric Live wire.
They call it through Harley.
Uh-huh.
Yeah, and he rides it, but hestill rents it, right.
So someone wants to rent itwhen they're out there on a trip
, right, He'll rent it out.
He says it's trash.

(01:49:13):
And I can say the guy's namebecause I do know it and he
works at the Harley shop butdoesn't run along the side of
course it's trash and he saysthe same thing.
So like it'll say he has 280miles when he charges it in the
garage, he hops on the highwayto get to the dealership and it

(01:49:36):
goes from 280 to 130 Becausehe's riding highway speeds,
right and he goes.
I should be able to charge itOnce a week.
So depending on the way that hegoes, depends on how often he
has to charge it and a goodfriend of mine owns lots of

(01:49:58):
breweries and and restaurantsand bars here in my pleasant
bought the Ford Lightning, whichis the Ford fully electric
after 50 pickup truck.
Same thing.
He'll charge it his house.
And as a plumber I do all hiswork, my company does all his

(01:50:19):
work for his breweries,distilleries, all shit.
Right, said the same thing.
Like you know, tell me I have380 miles to go and they goes.
I go to Detroit when I have tocharge it because they'll tell
me I got 380.
So, like Detroit, from here,from my pleasant's, you know,
180 miles yeah but, second, hehops on the highway and he gets

(01:50:41):
up to 80 miles an hour.
And he's like four miles offthe highway here in my pleasant
right you go straight to.
You know 180 miles, that's allyou get.
So he's like I barely get toDetroit.

Speaker 5 (01:50:56):
I have to charge it and how long does it does?

Speaker 2 (01:50:59):
it has to set the recharge, Well so, depending on
if he has the superchargersright, like we have here at coin
I have superchargers it cancharge your battery faster and
he can sit there and and I don't, I don't know what.
And I have another friend thatowns an internet Conglomerate
right, all the fiber, all thestuff.

(01:51:20):
He's huge into anything,technology, he, absolutely he
has the, you know the Tesla's,he has the new Hummer, that's
whatever all and he'll.
He'll race him.
He'll go down to a drag stripSouth of here and he'll race
against any fucking thing intothe Hummer and whoop their ass.

(01:51:41):
And I 100% agree right, likeelectric, you, you push the
pedal.
It goes zero to 100.
Right now you have full power.
The second you hit the, you hitthe pedal.
Whatever it's got, it's got.
There's no lag, no, nothinglike there is with fuel.
My issue is and as a businessowner, if I could put my guys

(01:52:05):
and work trucks that wereelectric, I'd probably do it how
long does it take to charge?

Speaker 5 (01:52:10):
them.

Speaker 2 (01:52:13):
Well, but but they could all bring them back here
to the shop and they couldcharge them all night.

Speaker 5 (01:52:17):
I'm talking about out on the road.

Speaker 3 (01:52:21):
We're okay, I can, I can answer this this is the
downfall right.

Speaker 2 (01:52:24):
So if they're hauling loads and and they have to
drive tons of miles a day whichmost of my farm and do that take
our trucks, hmm, they'reprobably not gonna get it.
They got to go home.
They got a plug him in.

Speaker 4 (01:52:35):
I did see a little while ago that they're
supposedly supposed to rollingout roads, that Azure driving
charges them.
Listen, I can, I can answer.
I can answer roads, yeah, I cananswer this question.

Speaker 3 (01:52:46):
My.
So my wife has an electric car,she has an electric Mustang.

Speaker 2 (01:52:53):
Is that the my key?
Is that the my key?
Yeah, yeah, ford or my key.
Yes, I want my wife to actuallyget that.

Speaker 3 (01:53:00):
Listen, when, when she, when she comes back, when
she comes back here, I'm gonnatake you for a ride.
It's gonna listen.

Speaker 4 (01:53:06):
No, it'll change the fastest car.

Speaker 3 (01:53:09):
I've ever been in in my life this is my friend's
Mustang on the Autobahn.

Speaker 5 (01:53:14):
I'm not, I'm not, I'm not a boat fast dude.

Speaker 3 (01:53:17):
Listen, I'm a boat.
Rip your face off now.
What, what she?
What she does is she?
Most people, what they do isthey drive to a car, they drive
to work and they drive home Yep.
She plugs it in at home, it'scharged up by the morning.

Speaker 5 (01:53:30):
But she rips my face off.

Speaker 3 (01:53:32):
Children won't make it home because you run our over
, told We've driven it fromnorthern Florida down to Miami
before we had to make a coupleof stops.
It takes what?
20 minutes?
20 minutes?
Yeah 20 minutes to charge it to80%, and then we can continue
on our journey 20 minutes 20minutes.
How long does it take to gas upfive?

(01:53:53):
Go there, gas up, scratch yournuts.
You got to go in get some wateror get some, take a piss,
whatever, and you know.

Speaker 2 (01:54:08):
I'm not gonna say what she said, but it's a it's
it.

Speaker 3 (01:54:14):
depending on the infrastructure, it's not a bad
deal.

Speaker 5 (01:54:17):
It's really not what.
We don't have theinfrastructure.

Speaker 2 (01:54:20):
So let me ask you a question.
She has a monkey.
Yes, yes what does she pay forregistration every year?
How much For, like when you,when you, when you get your
license plate tabs?
Okay, so what I want to know?
Here's a gig with in Michigan.

Speaker 5 (01:54:46):
Okay, but what I?
Want to know is how come ifthey're not using gas, why are
they on our roads?
Because our gas tax.

Speaker 2 (01:54:56):
Right so this is a problem.

Speaker 5 (01:54:58):
That is a problem.

Speaker 3 (01:54:58):
This is what I was gonna say.

Speaker 2 (01:55:00):
So I have.

Speaker 1 (01:55:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:55:04):
I got you.
I have two friends that have,you know three to four electric
vehicles amongst two friends.
One is a hundred percent allabout the electric.
One is on the fence, like I'mon the fence right, like I
wanted my wife to get the Mikey.
I love it.
My sister was worked for Fordsalesperson.
I love the car Like it would begreat for her to have, be great

(01:55:28):
for her to have, so for her GMC.
You come right.
It's like 300 dollars a yearfor registration.

Speaker 3 (01:55:37):
So my buddy that has his Humvee, or my other buddy,
this guy's lightning and he'sgot, he's got that the one
Humvee that drives around mypleasant to white.

Speaker 2 (01:55:48):
We will definitely have a conversation later.
I want to do it on this podcast.
All right, I have aconversation because we might be
talking about the same guy.
He has that property that one.

Speaker 5 (01:55:57):
We're not throwing nobody under, I'm just not gonna
do it.

Speaker 2 (01:55:59):
I'm not gonna do it on here, but we'll have a
conversation.
But so what I've heard is Saythe normal.
You know you have a 60,000dollar car.
It's gonna be 300 dollars ayear, like my wife's right.
So his is like 1200 or 1400 ayear Because he's not paying the
fuel tax to fix the roads.

(01:56:20):
So what the state of Michiganhas done is up did to compensate
for you not fueling up becausewhen you go to the gas station
You're paying a road tax or fueltax that tax, all the
bullshit's like 16 cents agallon or 29 cents a gallon or
whatever it is.
So they just figure some sort ofa nominally number to it and If

(01:56:43):
you have an all-electricvehicle, they just add that to
it, right for your registration.
Maybe Florida does it, doesn'tdo it, I don't know.
I mean, you guys get they getmore sun down there than we do
up here.
I have no idea.
Like you're figuring, you havesolar panels, I I don't know.
Right right but at the end ofthe day, I mean, that's
obviously a major expense, rightlike hey, here's happy birthday

(01:57:07):
.
You have a car registered yourname.
Your birthday comes up inFebruary.
Here's a bill to re-registeryour car.
That's $500.
Like Now, all of a suddenyou're looking at you know you
go from $300 to register a carto 1100 to register a car Right,
because you're not, becauseyou're not right, and then

(01:57:29):
whatever cost you to charge yourcar which I, which I get the
smart charges they only do it atnight, they do it off peak
hours and there's all thesedifferent things.
Like I get it, but it's so newI don't know.
So like my house, my house mygrandparents built in 57.
I have a hundred amp service inmy house.
I Could not charge a car in myhouse without upgrading the

(01:57:50):
entire house to a 200 amp or 300service.

Speaker 3 (01:57:54):
No, the issue for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:57:55):
No, because I can't plug it into 110.
No, listen, and not taking 44days right, I can't remember.

Speaker 3 (01:58:05):
I have them.
It's the same as a dryer.
The same as a dryer.

Speaker 2 (01:58:09):
Yeah, 222, 220 yeah, it's 220, so I'd have to convert
my dryer, my house, to gas?
No, I would, because I onlyhave a hundred amp service.

Speaker 3 (01:58:20):
Everything is a hundred amp.

Speaker 2 (01:58:21):
Yes, I only have a hundred amps the most he has is
a so if my wife plugged her carin the rest of my house, half my
house would not have powerright, you see.
I'm saying so.

Speaker 3 (01:58:35):
You have to look at what that much though it
wouldn't be that much to upgradethat.

Speaker 2 (01:58:39):
No, yeah, it might cost me eight grand.

Speaker 3 (01:58:42):
No, no, no way.
I bet you would no.

Speaker 5 (01:58:46):
To bring in a whole 200 amp service from the ball
from the ball.

Speaker 2 (01:58:51):
Upgrade my meter up grade meter.

Speaker 5 (01:58:53):
Then you got a bunch of douche bag Put a new back.
Sure then it inspectors thatcome in, then I gotta pull
another.

Speaker 2 (01:58:59):
Yeah, then I got a pull line from the meter into
the house, line into the housethat upgrades the service, and
then you have to put the panelin the electrician, upgrade the
panel and all the other shit.

Speaker 3 (01:59:14):
No, I just this is.
I had to change out the themeters at one of my properties,
had to change out the meter andeverything.
Everything, okay, grade theservice.

Speaker 2 (01:59:24):
So here's, here's a good, here's a gig to grand I'm.
I'll get a quote.
I'll get a quote to put aCharger in my garage and I'll
call licensed electrician.
They'll pull the proper permitsand do all the things.
I Will pay up to a thousanddollars.

(01:59:45):
Everything above that you'llpay and I'll go electric.

Speaker 3 (01:59:49):
I don't know about that.

Speaker 2 (01:59:51):
Well, if it's not, that expensive for the average
American to do, why wouldn't youwant to take it?

Speaker 5 (01:59:56):
I want to.

Speaker 2 (01:59:57):
I want to know why, if it's not, I'll pay the first
thousand bucks, brother.

Speaker 5 (02:00:00):
I want to know why the rest if?

Speaker 2 (02:00:02):
it's not that much.
I want to know why there's adifference little horsey horsies
it's cheaper for me to pay thetax on the road

Speaker 5 (02:00:09):
and shit all over the place.
Why ain't they paying, fucking?

Speaker 3 (02:00:13):
You know, I saw highway check listen, I saw a
meme the other day.
Right, I'm gonna become Amish.
I.

Speaker 5 (02:00:21):
Think I am too.

Speaker 2 (02:00:23):
Well.

Speaker 5 (02:00:23):
I'm gonna pretend like I'm a mish and I'm gonna
bang everybody.

Speaker 2 (02:00:26):
I kid maybe, maybe this building is gonna become an
Amish church.

Speaker 5 (02:00:29):
Well, listen bingo.
Aj, aj, skylone slash I'm achurch and I'll be, I'll be
professor, I'm not a quack.
Oh, that's, that's Iraq.
Never mind, that's guys.

Speaker 3 (02:00:45):
We're going off the rails here.

Speaker 5 (02:00:47):
I'm a crazy, crazy too many, too many drinks.
No, but it's the same thing,man, all these people that are
they're able to use the roadsbut not pay the road tax,
because I want to see if I could, if I save this meme, because

(02:01:09):
well.

Speaker 2 (02:01:10):
So actually the state of Michigan actually talked
about turning I 75, the 69s,m20s in the toll roads.
They actually thought aboutthat.
So gradual it might right whenshe wanted to fix, fix the damn
roads and I think that's wrongas six guys, because if I do
that then I shouldn't have topay, but that was but that was

(02:01:31):
the point, though.
She was gonna take away thestate road tax off the gallon of
fuel.
So the more you drive, the moreyou pay.
That was part of her, her gigthat she wanted to do, but she
was gonna put up the scannersthat scans your license plates.
So Bay City, right, which myparents had a boat at forever

(02:01:53):
right since I was a kid, theydid the same thing.
So all those roads, except forthe state highway, all the
private bridges that the city ofBay City has Now scan your
license plates and they'll sendyou a bill for going across the
bridge for upkeep maintenance.
So the Liberty Bridge, the youknow all the different ones,

(02:02:13):
right like.
We've rode over there todifferent stuff, tim, but we
always cross the straight, the,the state bridge.
So we don't, we don't have topay for it.

Speaker 7 (02:02:23):
So a couple of things here.
I just looked it up.
Number one Michigan has anelectric vehicle tax and it's
hundred dollars for all electricvehicles under 8,000 pounds and
30 dollars for plug-in hybridsunder 8,000 pounds.
So as of 2023, that was about ahundred and forty dollars a

(02:02:44):
year for an electric vehicleDriver plus what your vehicle
yeah, plus your, plus yournormal registration.

Speaker 2 (02:02:51):
Normal registration.
So if you had a 280 dollarregistration, you're gonna pay
plus 120, 130, whatever it isand that's it right, and that's
and that's it.

Speaker 5 (02:03:01):
Okay, but I pay a hundred.
Well, I don't because I'm ahundred percent disabled, but if
I had to pay, I'd pay $225 formy, for my registration, and
then I would have to pay taxEvery flipping time I got a full
tank of gas.

(02:03:22):
That's bullshit.
That's what they do what theydo?

Speaker 2 (02:03:26):
is they figure what the state road tax is based on
16 cents a gallon, or?

Speaker 4 (02:03:31):
nine cents a gallon.
They probably do it based onthe average.

Speaker 2 (02:03:35):
Yeah, it's just an average based on how much your
vehicle weighs.

Speaker 3 (02:03:39):
Tim, they got thirty thousand dollar electric
vehicles.
Go ahead, brother, listen, Isaw a meme.
I saw a meme the other day.

Speaker 5 (02:03:45):
Look at you, I ain't going electric where it was it
was.

Speaker 3 (02:03:48):
It was it was drill, baby drill it was a horse, a
horse, and carriage, and thenelectric or not electric, but a
but a Gas powered vehicle rightand and the horse.
The horse and carriage wassaying, oh, what are you gonna
do with that gas powered vehicle?
You're not gonna find gasanywhere.
The infrastructure is not there.

(02:04:09):
Da, da, da, da.
Yeah, this is all new.
In in time, trust me,everything's gonna be electric.

Speaker 5 (02:04:17):
So the problem over and okay, so in time it can be,
but right now Don't force me todo.

Speaker 2 (02:04:25):
Don't force it.

Speaker 3 (02:04:26):
No one's forcing it.
I mean California will but notMichigan yet, so so wait a
minute.

Speaker 2 (02:04:31):
So one of the things that gets brought up.
Right, I'm a plumbing andmechanical contractor.
The city of Ann Arbor Will notallow you if you do a new build
there, will not allow you.
You put a gas dryer, a gasfurnace, a grass stove, nothing

(02:04:53):
in your building.
So if you build a new home, youremodel your apartment condo,
whatever the fuck you own, willnot allow you to put anything
that's got gas in it.
In it you have to go allelectric and they're trying to
make that statewide.
So here's deal, if they makeany sense.

(02:05:16):
So wait a minute.
So if they make that statewide,the only thing I can tell you
right now Save your pennies.
Whatever you have for a dryer,stove, furnace, boiler, whatever
you got, go on by six of them,motherfuckers.
Put them in your garage, putthem in your shed, put them in
your attic, whatever basement,whatever you got, because you

(02:05:38):
will not be able to put them inby a licensed contractor in San
Michigan.
They want everything to go toelectric and I wanted, wanted to
talk.
No, sir, I'll let Tim get thisoff his chest.
When I, when I, when I go tomeetings, right, and we have

(02:05:59):
people at high levels that cometo our meetings and tell us
what's going on in San Michigan,it's legit.
So, like I got buddies, youknow, living Massachusetts.
They still burn oil, fuel oil.
So what would have fucked?
Burns fuel oil.

Speaker 3 (02:06:14):
So why it up?

Speaker 2 (02:06:15):
because they don't have natural gas out there.

Speaker 3 (02:06:17):
There's people here in Michigan, right here in
central Michigan, they're usingwood stoves absolutely wood
boiler.

Speaker 2 (02:06:23):
If I could do a wood boiler In the city of my
pleasant, I would have a woodboiler but that mother fuckers
are gonna come down and say oh,you got to do the electric so I
can't do a wood stove.

Speaker 5 (02:06:33):
Oh, because?

Speaker 1 (02:06:33):
no, the smoke.

Speaker 5 (02:06:35):
You can't do a wood stove, because then the
insurance won't cover you, andthen you have smoke, smoke.

Speaker 2 (02:06:40):
That's the smoke on your neighbors.
That's why you can't in thecity of my pleasant Fuck these
people.
No, you can't here's.

Speaker 7 (02:06:47):
Here's a couple of things I wanted to point out to
you, since we were talking about, you know, the gas tax and
everything else.
So, according to the SWMPC,which is the southwest michigan
planning commission, which isfor barian, cast and van buren
counties, they put out a littlepamphlet Talking about what our

(02:07:09):
state gas tax is From michigan.
Michigan charges 19 cents pergallon on gas.
Okay, and here's the thing Itotally get, you know, electric
vehicles paying more andeverything, because that's fair.
But here's the problem that Ihave If it's for gas to, if it's

(02:07:31):
the gas tax, it should go forfucking transportation period.
And this pamphlet right hereand you can see it, I mean the
people here can see it but itsays 20 cents Out of every
gallon of gas sold goes toschools and local government and

(02:07:52):
only 6.7 percent, or, excuse me, 6.7 cents goes to m dot and
county roads.

Speaker 2 (02:07:59):
So so this is the problem.
That's a lot of horseshit.

Speaker 7 (02:08:02):
So this is the problem.

Speaker 2 (02:08:03):
Right, you go.
You go buy a lottery ticket.
They go buy a lottery ticketpower five or whatever the right
.
It's all for schools.

Speaker 6 (02:08:13):
What do they tell you ?
It's all for schools.
Yeah, so this goes to thecounty.

Speaker 2 (02:08:16):
So this goes to, goes to show you.
At the end of the day, they'lltell you one thing.
It's like don't see behind theman behind the curtain, right,
exactly, the wooden wizard of Oz.
Don't pay attention to the manbehind the curtain, right, right
, because you're gonna pay allthis tax that's supposed to fix
the fucking roads.

Speaker 7 (02:08:35):
It doesn't fix the fucking roads and ask any
long-haul trucker what statethat they hate the most, when
they're on the road besidescalifornia.
It's gonna be michigan.
You're driving in ohioWisconsin.

Speaker 5 (02:08:50):
I 94 I 94.

Speaker 7 (02:08:53):
Great roads down there.
The minute you hit the michiganline it turns to shit.

Speaker 5 (02:08:58):
I 94 is the highway of death.

Speaker 2 (02:09:01):
Here's the problem.
Here's the problem At the endof the day.
If you actually had people thattell you you legitimately what
the money goes for and they usethe money legitimately what it
should be for, right, I don'tcare that you charge me 19 cents
a gallon or 16 cents a gallonfor the roads.
Put it to the fucking roads.

Speaker 7 (02:09:21):
Well, that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (02:09:23):
I have no problem with being taxed if it's used
for good purposes.

Speaker 2 (02:09:27):
But I give, but Right , so.
So give me six cents to theroads and give me nine cents to
something else.
Right, and still make 16 cents.
Right, charge me somewhere else, put it on the fucking sales
tax and put it to teachers inthe schools or whatever else.
That's fine, I don't have aproblem paying it.
But if you're gonna charge meit, put it to what the fuck it's

(02:09:49):
supposed to go, and that's theother thing.
We already pay.

Speaker 7 (02:09:53):
We already pay property taxes, which, in most
areas of the state, is whereyour local school districts get
their funding At least some ofit so why is additional school
funding coming from somewhereelse?
Gas tax like that is such anobscure, random thing.

Speaker 2 (02:10:10):
And then, and then you want to say fix the damn
roads.
And your slogan yeah, it's gastax.

Speaker 3 (02:10:15):
Look.

Speaker 7 (02:10:17):
Well, lottery too, but you know, it's lottery all
of it's supposed to go toschools.

Speaker 2 (02:10:22):
No well, I don't know if it's all supposed to go, but
they always say when theystarted it out they said I know
machine lottery about about halfand and and and the, the swp mc
I think I just said their nameright.

Speaker 7 (02:10:40):
They're quoted on this pamphlet of saying about
half the state tax on gasolinegoes to schools and local
governments, not totransportation.

Speaker 5 (02:10:48):
So should all go to.
It should all go.
If I'm paying for gas tax, itshould go for my roads.

Speaker 7 (02:10:53):
So wait a minute.
Yeah, an infrastructure for theroads.
Our bridges in michigan areHorrible.

Speaker 2 (02:11:00):
I'm gonna say this real quick and I'm probably
gonna be an amily guy, maybe,maybe, not right.
So we pay private tax toisabella county let's just say
houses or whatever else.
They turn 100 over to the stateand then they get back A
portion of what they should get.

(02:11:21):
So they get a hundred percentisabella county and they're
gonna get 40 percent back.
Why doesn't isabella countyjust hold the 40 percent and
only send 60 percent up thechain?

Speaker 7 (02:11:34):
Yeah, why not simplify it?

Speaker 2 (02:11:37):
Well, what happens is what happens is isabella county
will send 100 up the chain andthey'll get 22 percent back
Because the state deems theyneed to hold some back.

Speaker 5 (02:11:48):
Okay, hold on hold, on real quick.
This will be a greatperspective.
Hold on, yes, hold on.
And I want to throw this outthere Charlie, charlie, trey
postmembers, joe gates, brenton,holger, uh whole brick same way
.

Speaker 2 (02:12:05):
Last whole brick.
Charlie clad, that's not myname.

Speaker 5 (02:12:09):
It's smith, oh, charlie smith.
And we all agree that the mostimportant thing about some of
these podcasts is the, theaspects that comes from the
people, the significant others.
I mean, like Brenton, mighthave a boyfriend and a

(02:12:32):
girlfriend.
I don't know, I don't know, butdon't say that his wife, as
much you might get upset.
Yeah, so, um, but the importantthing about it is right now.
Right now, we have two, twosignificant others.
We have the backpack, missphoenix, who's joe gates, his

(02:12:53):
wife, and she's over thereplaying on her phone, being very
good and quiet.
She's in the far ones, yep.
And now we, now I think it'simportant with, uh, with trey
porter, the clerk, love you theclerk, um, his, his wife is here

(02:13:17):
and, ta-da, she's from poland.
She is from poland, she's,she's from a whole different
program and she's come to thiscountry.
What's this gonna give us?
A great perspective?
And give us a great perspectivebecause she's from poland,

(02:13:41):
she's, she's from a differentdifferent.

Speaker 3 (02:13:43):
Well they, they were a communist country, you know,
up until 1989.

Speaker 8 (02:13:47):
Absolutely and 89.

Speaker 3 (02:13:52):
Yeah, 1989.

Speaker 5 (02:13:54):
Yeah, when when they broke apart, when everything
broke apart?
Uh, because I went to latvia, Iwent to lithuania.
Yep, I was the first Yep.
All beautiful, beautiful,beautiful, beautiful women.
Yes, yes, ugly man, beautifulwomen.
Okay so, but I, I would 100percent and this is something me

(02:14:16):
and charlie talked about Is wewant, we want the spouses, we
want the supporters, we wantthem on this podcast, we want?

Speaker 2 (02:14:27):
for sure, because we want an outside perspective of
what's going on.
Right, that's right, it's.

Speaker 5 (02:14:30):
It's great when you have someone from a totally
different culture, totallydifferent culture we're talking
about electric vehicles.

Speaker 2 (02:14:37):
We're talking about the way things are here in
america.
She's gonna bring a real worldworld perspective of the way her
country is especially as far aslike transportation and
infrastructure.

Speaker 8 (02:14:49):
I love their high speed rail out, but but wait a
minute, wait a minute, I justwant to say one thing whenever I
drive on highway here, guys,you gotta speed the hell up.
I am sorry, but 70 miles perhour like.

Speaker 5 (02:15:08):
Honey, we don't have their autobahn, Okay.

Speaker 7 (02:15:11):
You think that's bad?
Hawaii's speed limit is 55.

Speaker 8 (02:15:14):
I know like, how is that even like working those?
Those people are just standingin the place.

Speaker 6 (02:15:19):
Not even moving like no, that's the first thing you
you got to speed the hell upOkay.

Speaker 8 (02:15:24):
That is one thing.
Another thing is like you areall arguing about taxes and
electric vehicles and stuff,guess what.
It doesn't really matter, weare all being screwed up.
Okay, whether it's gas money,lottery money, it does not
matter, it goes where you don'twant it to go and guess what?
It's like that everywhere.
But in europe we pay less taxesthat you guys pay here, and I

(02:15:51):
got my education for free andyou're a doctor and she's a.

Speaker 2 (02:15:56):
She's a doctor like an md doctor md.

Speaker 3 (02:15:59):
Yes, right, right, yes, yes, yes, she's yes I.

Speaker 5 (02:16:03):
I tray broke his hand when he t-boned somebody and
over the phone she was like yeah, that's, that bitch is both.
That bitch is broke.
That bitch is broke.
I know you don't have to go tothe hospital, I can tell right
now that bitch is broke.

Speaker 8 (02:16:20):
I think I use better language than that.
Maybe they didn't.
I'm saying is we just need tofind a way To spend that money
better, because, guess what?
All of those kids, they needbetter education.

Speaker 7 (02:16:33):
No we we hear right, absolutely.
I mean, I can tell you rightnow like I got my education
through the gi bill, as most ofus did.
Okay, um, but if you payattention to the paperwork that
they send you at the end of yoursemesters, it will tell you how
much that they paid for you togo, and I did one whole year, um

(02:16:54):
, I graduated with a bachelor'sdegree in health administration
and one whole year Was.
I think it ended up being, uh,26,000 dollars, right?

Speaker 8 (02:17:05):
Yeah, yeah and uh, most of my kids, my kids, my
friends that uh graduated herein the us.
They are down in like three400,000 dollars in debt.
Just starting out, juststarting out.

Speaker 5 (02:17:22):
Okay, so young lady, um, so how does, how does that
whole process work in poland?
Well, how do?
How do, how do you get to wherethat you can do?

Speaker 8 (02:17:34):
so you, you cannot do anything for free.
Uh, you know how, here you goto high school and you have uh
like finals after high school.
We have same thing in here andin poland and uh, based on your
score, you can apply to Anyuniversity you want to apply to,
and you might not get what youwant to do.

(02:17:55):
You might not Not get medicalschool for free, but if you
don't get that one for free,you're going to be able to do
something else.
So, either way, you're going toget some kind of education for
free, and it's not really forfree.
Free, we know that we pay thosetaxes to get our kids education
.
But everybody kind ofunderstands that that's the way

(02:18:16):
it goes.
We pay all of those taxes onour cars, on our businesses,
roads, gas, anything we buy, butit goes into.
Just part of that goes intoeducation.
So your kids can actually, ifthey are working hard.
They can be lawyers even if youdon't make money.

Speaker 2 (02:18:35):
They can be doctors even if you don't make money so
I guess I want to ask thisquestion so Essentially, at the
end of the day, right here inamerica we in college right
which Might relate to what youdid in poland Do you have

(02:18:57):
classes that are like musicmajors or Things that here,
right, we have.
We have kids that go to cmuhere in malpasad and they're
going to be a music major,probably will never get a job.
In that major teaching musicBecause there's only so many

(02:19:18):
band directors or whatever.
So they're going to go to,they're going to go to
university and they're going toget a degree in that could
literally never, ever work inBecause there's so few of yeah,
but also the governmentIndicates how many spots each
university in each major has.

Speaker 8 (02:19:39):
So if we don't need, 30 000 doctors.
Right, we're only going to make20 000 spots.
If we don't need 20 000 musicteachers, we we're only going to
make 5 000 music teachers.
Okay, so this is a problem herein america.

Speaker 2 (02:19:54):
Right, we'll literally teach kids a course in
basket weaving.
Yes and and that's a terriblething to say because you hear it
all the time- underwater.
Underwater basket weavingthat's what there's, no jobs out
there for underwater basketweaving, but we're still going
to make you pay for a class.

Speaker 8 (02:20:13):
You know, you guys tell your kids, you can be.
Whatever you want to be no, no,it doesn't work like that.

Speaker 4 (02:20:21):
So you got to be somebody who contributes to the
community.

Speaker 2 (02:20:25):
So let me 100, 100 fucking percent.

Speaker 5 (02:20:28):
Okay, so let me let me ask a question, because you,
you, you, uh, you said, you saida couple things that Everything
you're saying.
So what you're saying is um,the taxes that people play pay
in poland, yeah, okay, all thetaxes.
Some of that tax Goes toeducation.

Speaker 2 (02:20:51):
Yeah, big chunk of that yeah a big chunk of it so
and you want to be a mechanic,but you don't qualify to be a
big mechanic because we don'tneed mechanics.
You're not going to be amechanic.
We're not going to pay for youto be a mechanic.
You're going to be a fuckingshoestmith, and you like it or
not, and we'll pay for you to bea shoestmith.

(02:21:12):
If you don't want to be ashoestmith, then don't take the
money.

Speaker 5 (02:21:15):
No, but my point is.
My point is that we don't dothis, that in the united states,
in the united states in theunited states we, our taxes, go
to roads, uh, schools, but itdoesn't go to University, it

(02:21:37):
doesn't go to help people.

Speaker 4 (02:21:40):
It goes to defense.
What's a big one?
They go to deep.

Speaker 5 (02:21:43):
Well, it has to go to defense, so it's you got to go
to.
But but that's the big thing Itook from what she said, you
said okay, she said.
She said that that you paidtaxes.
All these taxes, you paid aportion of it.
Want to hire education.

Speaker 8 (02:22:03):
Is to educate your kids so you can have well
functioning community country 20years later.
So you have people that areeducated, that know what to do
and how to do it and how tocontribute to the and we don't

(02:22:23):
do that, man, we don't do that,and and it's the- cost of
freedom.

Speaker 3 (02:22:27):
Here's the thing like you.
You said we have to.
We have to pay all this moneyTo defense.
We pay more for defense thanthe following like 26 countries
combined.
So let me ask your question.

Speaker 2 (02:22:41):
They're gonna, 25 of whom are allies.
Yes, thank you.

Speaker 3 (02:22:44):
I'm gonna go with that, but, but why so polling
gets evaded tomorrow?

Speaker 8 (02:22:50):
Oh, they're, they're going down, we're down, we're
down.

Speaker 3 (02:22:53):
Oh, but we wait a minute.

Speaker 8 (02:22:55):
Oh, wait a minute tomorrow, we are gonna give up
today.

Speaker 7 (02:22:58):
But what I'm saying is so you have happened once
already.

Speaker 8 (02:23:01):
So no but but but you have a very well educated
soldiers.

Speaker 7 (02:23:08):
So so this is they know what 2 plus 2 is.

Speaker 2 (02:23:11):
So wait a minute.
So this is where I'm going withthis right.
So we're gonna spend our moneyat the fence Right rather than
educating our kids to defend youguys which are well educated
doctors or or teachers orwhatever but if you get invaded?
If you get invaded, are yougonna call on?

Speaker 8 (02:23:27):
on us.
We are sending all of our bestdoctors and physicists and
scientists to you guys, becausethat's what always happens.
No war so Our best, we willsend to defend you guys.

Speaker 5 (02:23:43):
We will send the lurch units, we will send the
navy.
No, we had not probably we'llsend the core will send the core
will send the army.
We'll send everybody to protectyour country, because you are
our ally to.
Yeah, but you know what?

Speaker 8 (02:23:59):
guess what?
Like I, I think it's awesome.
It's amazing, it's beautiful,but also you should be thinking
about protecting your own kids.

Speaker 2 (02:24:08):
So this is where we go across the ocean.

Speaker 8 (02:24:10):
Protect your own kids .
So this is where we go back tothe your grandkids have this
beautiful land and where theycan thrive and get education for
free and not start the lifewith 400 000 dollars in debt.

Speaker 2 (02:24:24):
I I agree 100 with what you're saying.
So when we look at, we look atthe Biden administration right
now and we look at the trepadministration beforehand, right
?
Or you look at, you know, theobamas to the bushes, back to
the clintons, right?
Yeah, we, we should take careof the homeland first.
So I've said it a million timesto the vfw Absolutely how much?

(02:24:49):
How much money do we give awayand we don't take care of our
parking lot or signs?

Speaker 7 (02:24:53):
How many homeless do we have on the streets?

Speaker 2 (02:24:55):
You know, I mean Like we get things away.
So he's doing really good aboutthat.

Speaker 7 (02:24:59):
But that's beside a point.
No but still homeless ingeneral.
I mean down the downtrodden, Imean but the the bottom line is.

Speaker 5 (02:25:07):
The bottom line is here.
Here's deal back in the day wehad a president was isolationist
, where he didn't give two fuckswhat happened in the world, as
long as it didn't affect theunited states.
I no.
It was before world war, twobefore world war two, and then

(02:25:34):
we got into the whole world war.
Maybe who I don't know, google,is it Joe?

Speaker 7 (02:25:41):
Google eyes it.

Speaker 2 (02:25:44):
Tim, we're on, we're on the same boat.
So what I'm saying is the waythat you're backs Right and and
we're going to just use pullingas an example Right, they're
more, they're not worried aboutdefense, they're worried about
taking care of themselves first.
And we literally had apresident a term ago that was
all about america first, right,and didn't care about the rest

(02:26:05):
of world, said, hey, you have todeal with yourself, we're not,
we're not going to be your bigbrother, right, you deal with
yourself, we're going to takecare of ourselves first, right,
right, pretty, prettystraightforward, I mean that's
yep.

Speaker 5 (02:26:19):
That's the way he was .

Speaker 2 (02:26:20):
Yep, yep he was, and everybody else, first america
first, and then that was seen asNazism, because that's the way
hitler was.
Hitler was all about germanyfirst over than anybody else,
right, no, but I mean, that's no.

Speaker 5 (02:26:35):
You can say that that's because it's god damn the
truth, but that's the way.

Speaker 7 (02:26:39):
I mean Talk directly to your mic.

Speaker 2 (02:26:42):
Oh, oh, sorry, you couldn't hear me.
No, no, I'm sorry.
I could hear you no, but that,but that's the way hitler was
right.
Hitler, it was all aboutgermany.

Speaker 7 (02:26:49):
Germany yeah, you, that's that's what rallied the
german people Is.
He was very, you know, he wasoutspoken, he was charismatic.

Speaker 2 (02:26:57):
And, and unfortunately, trump was the
same way.
Right, he was all about america, but also trump.

Speaker 5 (02:27:02):
And now you're here also.
Trump said hey mother fuckers,you're gonna fuck with america
and I'm gonna go bomb you tofucking the stone age.

Speaker 2 (02:27:12):
So no, we're not talking about that.
What we're talking about istaking care of the american
people, right?
So he was all about Injuringindependence.
We're gonna drill an oil, we'regonna.
We're not gonna rely on Saudis.
We're not gonna rely on Iraq.
We're not gonna rely on any ofthe other people.
She's the same thing with withpoland, right?
We're gonna worry about ourdoctors and our teachers.

Speaker 8 (02:27:34):
Hey, don't be wrong, it sucks in poland, okay.
No, we're not all saying thisall the roses and rainbows.

Speaker 2 (02:27:43):
No, we're not.
No one's saying that.
And us as americans, no, butpoland also knows.

Speaker 5 (02:27:49):
Poland also knows that if they, if they needed
something, the united states ofamerica Would would fly in there
and take care of business.
We're already there, but theproblem is we're already, I know
we are, but the problem is wewould spend.

Speaker 2 (02:28:05):
We would rather spend a dollar Defending poland than
we would spend a dollarDefending america.

Speaker 6 (02:28:11):
Now I want to, I want to and I'm not bagging on
poland, right.

Speaker 2 (02:28:14):
I mean, this is, this is great content, because I
love the fact that that theyrealize we need to take care of
ourselves, right, and we need tomake sure we have the people in
place, the degrees in place,you know, the doctors, the
nurses, the whatever teachers,whatever it is.
We need to make sure we takecare of ourselves first, and

(02:28:38):
instead in america, we're moreworried about taking care of
everybody else.
We're worried about taking careof ourselves.
You know what I mean, and that's, that's unfortunate because,
just like tracer, we'll spend indefense 25 times more than our
next ally In defense spending.

(02:29:00):
Then we will worry about makingsure we have enough doctors and
lawyers or teachers or whateverhere in america.
Right, if we took, if we tookthree.

Speaker 3 (02:29:09):
Well, if we knocked it down like 75 percent of what
we spend for defense and tookthat other 25 percent and spent
it on our children to get someeducation?

Speaker 2 (02:29:22):
I, I think.

Speaker 3 (02:29:23):
I think the american people at all of them by and
large would agree with that.
I agree let's get our kidseducated and do that, close the
borders, and I think.

Speaker 8 (02:29:32):
You know, what we got to think of is all of those
women that Worked really, reallyhard to get some kind of
education and they want to work.
They can't work because onceyou have a kid, you know how
much it is to put those kids indaycare.
They're a lot, insane.

Speaker 7 (02:29:48):
I insanity.

Speaker 8 (02:29:50):
So, like in every european country, the government
makes sure that you, as a woman, can go back to work, and the
government's gonna supplementyou to pay for daycare, because
they know that you are going toMake taxes, pay taxes, make
money.
You are going to make thiscountry better by working, and

(02:30:11):
then you are also paying someoneto take care of your kids, so
then you're paying taxes rightthere.
So they know it's actuallybetter for them to make it easy
for the mother to go back towork.

Speaker 5 (02:30:21):
So it's kind of a cross that's cross between I.

Speaker 2 (02:30:29):
I'm gonna jump this I'm gonna jump this real quick
Hold on, hold on.
I absolutely love the fact thatyou're here tonight, because I
think majority americans have noidea we're, we're, we're
sheltered into a a small cove ofof the world and the fact that
you're here to actually give usa real world perspective, right

(02:30:51):
on what legitimately happenswhen most people don't don't get
it right, like as americans.
So when we all travel overseasyou know, I went into places
where the grandmother, thegrandfather, we had three or
four generations living in thesame apartment or house together
you don't get it.

(02:31:12):
Or cave, whatever it is right,I mean you don't, you don't get
it.
So the the fact that you'regonna sit here and tell us Right
that, yeah, we pay a shit tonof taxes, but we're worried
about us first, other than youfirst For us, we're worried
about everybody else first,before ourselves first and

(02:31:35):
correct right.

Speaker 5 (02:31:36):
But what am I?

Speaker 2 (02:31:36):
am I incorrect when I say that?

Speaker 8 (02:31:38):
and you know my very bad question is like Comparing
my sister to me, right, mysister?
Hey, hey hey.

Speaker 5 (02:31:48):
He likes that movement a lot, so he likes it
when I do that to him too.

Speaker 8 (02:31:53):
So my sister is still in poland.
She's a doctor as well.
She has two kids.
Uh, got her education for free.
Her husband's doctor as well.
She got pregnant with her firstkid and, uh, she had one year
of paid leave After she had herfirst kid.
She had a choice to go back towork after six months and, uh,

(02:32:16):
she Elected not to, so she tookall six more months and then she
got pregnant again.
She still works from time totime.
She's not working full time,but she has time to raise her
kids.
Well, be there for them,breastfeed if needed you know
what I mean Educate them and allof that.
And my question is like how amI forced to go back to work 10

(02:32:39):
days after I'm having my baby ifI pay more taxes than my sister
does?
That is my question.
Like, I don't think it's goodto be able to be out of work for
one year.
I think it's a littleridiculous.

Speaker 2 (02:32:50):
Come on.
Well, your baby does not needyou for like, so wait a minute.

Speaker 8 (02:32:52):
So so if when is the money going?
If I am not allowed to takethree months off to be with my
baby you know, in poland, do youhave Uh, you know homeless
living on the street?

Speaker 2 (02:33:05):
Do you have churches?

Speaker 8 (02:33:07):
not as much as here.

Speaker 2 (02:33:08):
Right, so yeah.

Speaker 8 (02:33:09):
I was actually surprised because I thought I'm
going to see Nothing even closeto poverty when I came here and
I was shocked, right, so I wasreally shocked.

Speaker 2 (02:33:20):
So you actually come to America and you see more
poverty, yeah.

Speaker 8 (02:33:23):
Yeah, I actually saw more poverty.

Speaker 2 (02:33:25):
Here than I saw in poland, which was really
shocking to me.

Speaker 3 (02:33:28):
Well, okay, so in large, yeah, and I'm not talking
, I'm not talking about averagepeople like.

Speaker 1 (02:33:34):
Right, it's not a thing like if you're rich.

Speaker 8 (02:33:36):
you're rich here.
If you, if you want to Findyour way to make money and be
super rich, you're gonna do thatbetter here than you ever
thought.

Speaker 2 (02:33:43):
But the average person, the average american,
yeah, no, I get it and that's.
And that's why I want to askyou, because you know, typically
in the, in the, in the middleeastern, eastern Right, doesn't
matter if it's it's japanese, itdoesn't matter, chinese doesn't
matter if it's.
You know the joseph andfamilies.
And what typically happens isyou as you have your

(02:34:07):
grandparents living with you, soand and your supplementary, so
in in america we're all aboutaccess, right, so we have to
have our own house.
Our grandparents have to livein their own house.
If they're on the streets or onthe streets, you know like it's
.
It's just a different culture,people are so freaking spoiled
here I can't hear it?
Yes, and.

Speaker 5 (02:34:25):
I'm talking about people who have money.
Okay, so Something, something Iwant to want to ask you because
, um, so, basically in polandit's kind of like a socialism
democracy, because socialism iswhere.

(02:34:48):
See, that's that's where that'swhere I'm trying to wrap my
head around, because basicallythe state's saying, the
government's saying, hey, if youdo this and this and this and
this and this and this and thisand this, which is kind of
socialism, but they're givingyou the freedom to say hey, hey,

(02:35:10):
hey, hey, hey.

Speaker 8 (02:35:13):
Yeah, we say hey, hey , hey, all the time.

Speaker 5 (02:35:15):
Yeah, we have freedom to say that that's what I'm
saying.
So it's it's kind of a.
It's kind of a socialistdemocracy, see, because
socialism is when you doeverything the state, the state
does everything for you,sweating around here.

Speaker 8 (02:35:31):
Oh, let me ask you a question Okay so so you graduate
your your high school level?

Speaker 2 (02:35:37):
I don't really call it grade school, I don't really
call it.
So you take a test.
Yeah, does the government sayyou're gonna be a nurse?

Speaker 8 (02:35:45):
No, no, no, they don't say that.
They don't have a say no, no,they do not tell you what to do,
but they say.

Speaker 2 (02:35:50):
But they say if you want to be a doctor, will pay
for you.

Speaker 8 (02:35:54):
No, no.
So it's all about the score.
So let's say, my medical school, where I applied to, had, let's
say, 300 spots for my year,where I applied nine.
Bless you, thank you.

Speaker 2 (02:36:06):
Well, but what happens if you don't make the
score to qualify to be?
Then you know somewhere else.

Speaker 8 (02:36:11):
You apply to a whole bunch of schools right.
So we always.
It's kind of like here, but theproblem is like you don't have
to pay for it.

Speaker 5 (02:36:18):
You know right, that's what I'm saying.
It's kind of like the asvabtest, that's just no, I'm asking
what I'm saying is what I'msaying is the taxes that you pay
.
Yeah, the taxes that you paywhen you become a senior in less
taxes than we pay in the USjust okay, the taxes that you
pay when you become a senior inhigh school.

(02:36:42):
You take the test, yeah, and yousay, hey, I want to be, uh,
underwater, I want to be anunderwater basket weaver.
And they say, and they say,well, we got 13 spots for that,
yeah, and then, and then, thenthey go you can be it, you can
be it, you can be it, you can beit, you can be so, but it's a
taxes.

Speaker 8 (02:37:02):
It's a taxes that that your parents pay, yeah, and
I have no problem with that,because guess what it takes.
It takes, all it takes allkinds of people you know to make
this country like that.
That's just how it works.
You got to have people who pavethe road and you got to make
people who you know make thecountry Happen like.

Speaker 5 (02:37:22):
You got to you got to have Everybody, from every
single, so this is so our school, our school tax here that we do
by the Lotto, the Lotto thatgenerates so much flipping money
.
It isn't even funny.
That school tax should comeinto the point where, when you

(02:37:42):
get them high school seniors,that come out of school and they
say, hey, I want to be a doctor, then they say, okay, well, we
only need x amount of doctorsand you use the school tax.
That's from the Lotto, no, fromthe Lotto.

Speaker 2 (02:38:02):
And you're going you're going too deep.

Speaker 8 (02:38:04):
I don't care where the money comes from.
What if my mom or my dad Getsick and they're dying and they
need somebody's hands to savethem.
Honestly, I don't care if thosewas Lotto or road tax.
I don't care what thedifference is that you're you're
saying like we all, we all paythe money, we all pay taxes, say
we only need a thousand doctorsthis year right doctors we need

(02:38:28):
a thousand okay and you in thein the Score testing you scored
a thousand one.

Speaker 2 (02:38:36):
You're not going to be a fucking doctor, we only
need a thousand no, I understandthe guys that scored a thousand
and above, are going to bedoctors.
You're going to be From athousand one to a, you know, a
thousand nineteen.
No, you're going to be a nurse.

Speaker 5 (02:38:52):
No, I understand that you're going to get paid to go
do.
What I'm saying is, if we usethe, the tax that we, not the
tax, the funding that we getfrom the, from the Lotto doesn't
matter, tax Lotto doesn'tmatter.
If we set that aside so thatpeople like, like her country

(02:39:13):
did they, you can go to college.
Okay, what do you want to do?
Okay, I want to go to collegefor this.
Okay, well, you don't qualify,but you qualify for this and
we'll pay for you're looking atright.

Speaker 2 (02:39:23):
You're looking at right.
It doesn't matter where themoney comes from, tim, it
doesn't matter.
No, no, you don't understand.

Speaker 5 (02:39:34):
Yes, I do, you got to apply, you have to apply, but
if they don't need a thousandand one doctors.

Speaker 2 (02:39:39):
You're not going to be a fucking doctor for a
thousand.

Speaker 5 (02:39:42):
No, I understand that I understand that.

Speaker 8 (02:39:44):
Let's, let's, let's stop with doctor shed because
like Well, no I'm just using asan example.
That's a mechanic, whatever ifyou get sick and you've been
living this country your wholelife, paying taxes, and you also
served for this country.
You should never, ever worrythat you're not going to be able
to afford your treatment.
That's all I'm saying you paidyour taxes.

(02:40:04):
You served like you've beenliving here.
You should not be worried whenyou get cancer or you get a car
accident that you're not goingto be able to pay your bill,
which is like $30,000, and ifyou went to any european country
will be like $200.
That's how it compares.
So that's what I'm talkingabout.
It's all about the money inhere and we need to stop it.

(02:40:27):
It should be about people.
It should not be about themoney, because you know, you
know what happens is like theymake us argue about those little
things.
They make us believe that, uh,you know small changes they do
matter.
It doesn't it's, you know,making rich people richer and
getting us more upset and argueeven more.

(02:40:49):
We should yeah, we should notWorry about being able to
educate our kids and get healthcare when we need it when we
live in the first World country,like we should not even think
about that.

Speaker 5 (02:41:05):
You know that should be given right, and that's
that's what I'm saying about.
Um, all the money that they putin, that they're doing this and
this, what you guys do.
You pay taxes, right?
Yeah, you pay taxes and thatgoes into a fund.
Yeah, so to so that people cango to school, yeah, okay and
like don't do it, it's notperfect, it's you know, but it's

(02:41:27):
really not, but it's notperfect.
The lotto how much money does alot of man?

Speaker 7 (02:41:31):
I have no idea over like six billion dollars.
Okay, so if you took.

Speaker 5 (02:41:36):
If you took that six billion dollars and put it in
the fund so that our seniors,our people, can go to school in
the in whatever they want, thenthat's what it should be,
because they they put it intothe elementary and the high
schools, and the elementary andthe high schools are Shit

(02:42:00):
because they don't put any moneyinto the elementary and high
school.

Speaker 8 (02:42:02):
So they just put it in the general fund and they
just use it for whatever theflip they want to use it for
Basically, what we're saying isit's not the problem that we
don't have money, it's not usedthe way it's supposed to be used
bingo.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly, youknow I.
I just want to say that I am notin a position to judge this
country.
It gave me great opportunity.

(02:42:23):
You know I came here and youknow after some struggles I
finally got my license and andyou know it's a wonderful
country.
I love it.
But also you got to open youreyes and see how I'm sorry
You're being fucked in the assevery day.

Speaker 4 (02:42:42):
Wow, I keep saying that when we do our taxes every
year, there should be a spot inthere to where I can go through
and go.
Hey, I want five percent.
I stopped at the school.
This is five percent to theroads.
Well that way the people getthe.

Speaker 5 (02:42:53):
The fucked up thing about that is when you say that
I want to run away from charlie.

Speaker 7 (02:42:59):
Well, let me, let me say a couple of things, because
I've been waiting here for a hotsecond and I wanted to address
a couple things.
So number one she had mentionedyou know how much we pay in
daycare and I have a child indaycare and I will tell you that
I pay two hundred and thirtyfive dollars a week.

Speaker 5 (02:43:18):
You're getting raped.

Speaker 7 (02:43:20):
A week.
Okay, there you go, but youknow, but again, it's still
pricey, so, like you know,anyway.
So then we started talkingabout, you know, education and
kind of like this, thissocialist Socialism idea.
Okay, and I just wanted tothrow this out there, the way

(02:43:46):
that she was explaining it wasin my mind it sounded a lot like
the military entrance test, theasvab test, that, based on
whatever your score is Right,kind of dictates what you're
eligible to do.
So, like I can, again, I canspeak on the navy, right?

(02:44:06):
So you score a 99 on the test,they're going to ask you to go
and do like nuclear reactor shit, right, because you're you're
smart cookie, yeah, whatever jobyou want to do, but they're
going to ask you to fill in someof the gaps that they're
missing, right?
That was just my example, butyou know, it just reminded me of

(02:44:26):
that, right?
So what I got to thinking aboutit was we have this you had
mentioned the cost of freedom,right, we have the freedom to
choose whatever we want to do,whether or not we're good at it,
right?
But, um, what I came to my mindwas Are we not kind of

(02:44:52):
socialist by action?
Well, because you're me outhere, yeah.
Right, we have the student loanprogram.
Right, if you want to go andget a degree in underwater
basket weaving, you can get astudent loan for that.
Now, it ultimately that loan ison you and if you default and

(02:45:16):
you know what it messes withyour financial credit, that's
that another thing.
But you know, let's be honest,a lot of people don't really
care about that.
So you know, if you kind ofwanted to part and parcel out
last, she was saying, uh, whatyou could do.
I have a suggestion you cankeep the student loan program,
you can do whatever you want todo with that.

(02:45:37):
But department of labor, bureauof labor and statistics, has the
um, the On-net online system,which you can look up basically
any job you can think of and itwill tell you, based on their
statistics, where you're neededor where people are needed.

(02:45:58):
You know plumbers and doctorsand lawyers and whatever.
Right, here's, here's my ideaand I'm just going to throw it
out there.
You want to get a student loan.
You want to get a student loanfor whatever it is you want to
do, that's great, but tie youreligibility for the student loan

(02:46:22):
To whether or not that job hasa what they the on-net online
calls a bright outlook, whichmeans over the next decade.
They see, at least I believeit's a seven, six or seven
percent increase In need of ofpeople there.
So so that's my idea is likeyou want to take out a student

(02:46:44):
loan for whatever?
We got to remember, studentloans are subsidized.
Most of them are are subsidizedby the american taxpayer.
So if you want to be eligiblefor that money, that's great,
but it's got to be.

Speaker 4 (02:46:58):
Maybe it's a percentage, a percentage
assigned.

Speaker 7 (02:47:01):
Yeah, you know, outlook will give you more well
but the program, and this is thepoint I was trying to make.
Sorry, we have the student loanprogram.
Anyone, it doesn't matter ifyou're poor or rich, you can get
a student loan if you want one.
Right, not saying you're notgonna pay a shit ton of interest
.
But that's beside the point.

(02:47:22):
You still, we still have theprogram.
So, in a way, are we not kindof socialists, you know?
Do you see what I'm saying?

Speaker 3 (02:47:35):
Yeah, and that's what I was gonna say Listen, the
fire department is a socializedthing, the police department
socialized we pay taxes for allthe Education socialize.
So many you know everybodytalks about this word socialism,
like it's the boogeyman andit's so bad.

Speaker 7 (02:47:57):
You know, I get what they're saying and I get like,
okay, we don't need it's justbecause of our general distrust
of government Right, but ourcountry was founded because of
that.

Speaker 3 (02:48:11):
And not just that, but also the I guess the big red
scare back in the 50s.

Speaker 7 (02:48:21):
The red menace.

Speaker 3 (02:48:22):
Yeah, the red menace.

Speaker 5 (02:48:23):
So first of all, let me hit you.
Our country was not founded onsocialism.

Speaker 7 (02:48:30):
No, no, no, no.
I said the country was foundedon a distrust of government.
We were founded, you know.

Speaker 5 (02:48:37):
We were founded on a distrust of government and then
we made a program that made thegovernment answer to we, the
people and unfortunately, we thepeople are a bunch of fucking
pussies.

Speaker 2 (02:48:54):
Well, you can say what?

Speaker 5 (02:48:55):
about pussies, but we're Because we, the people,
wouldn't have people thinkingthey're cats and peeing in a
fucking-.

Speaker 3 (02:49:04):
That's not happening.
That's not really happeningReally.
No, it's not, it's not.

Speaker 7 (02:49:10):
Even Joe Rogan found out that this is not really
happening.
But I really don't-.

Speaker 3 (02:49:17):
Well, yes, that part yes, but peeing in a litter box
at school, that's not happening.

Speaker 7 (02:49:22):
Sounds like a personal problem, right, but I
you know, and this is gonna behard to say and it's gonna be
hard to listen to it, excuse me,and it's even harder to say but
the way that we elect ourpeople is representative, Right,

(02:49:43):
which is great.
But the problem with that isthat the politics get too much
in the way.
We have become so about ouridentity.
Yes, yep, that we're notgetting shit done, it seems, and
what she was saying is aperfect example.

(02:50:05):
A person you know, like Tim,who's 85 years old and has
worked in this country his wholelife and has retired oh, he's
86, okay, he worked in hiscountry the whole life.
You know.
He's retired from the military.
He's done his part.
Okay, she's right.

(02:50:27):
You should not worry aboutgetting in a car accident and
having to go to the ER.
I know personally people whohave refused an ambulance,
despite the fact needing onevery badly, because they
couldn't pay the ambulance bill.
How fucked up is that, you know, and so I'm 50-50 on the thing.

(02:50:58):
You know.
I agree, like education isextremely important.

Speaker 4 (02:51:03):
I just think we're doing it the wrong way, going
back to the comment you madeabout the student loan stuff,
why is it that 18, 19 year oldkid can go out and get $100,000
worth of loans but they can't goout and create their own
business?

Speaker 7 (02:51:15):
Amen to that too.
That's a great example.
You know, you get $100,000 overthe course of like what four?

Speaker 3 (02:51:22):
years or so.

Speaker 7 (02:51:23):
Get $100,000 in loans but you can't go out and start
a power washing business.

Speaker 5 (02:51:29):
Okay, so I'm gonna throw this out there.

Speaker 3 (02:51:32):
Trey, yes, sir.

Speaker 5 (02:51:35):
How you doing, I'm good.

Speaker 3 (02:51:36):
I'm good.

Speaker 5 (02:51:38):
You are my favorite clerk.
You know that I do.

Speaker 7 (02:51:41):
They're touching each other right now Because you
paid me some money.

Speaker 5 (02:51:45):
You paid me some money on Rock of Maya and I
appreciate that.
You never fucked up my paycheck, okay, and the ex-wife got the
money why she was home andeverything went well, good and I
appreciate.

Speaker 3 (02:51:59):
Spent all your money, didn't she?
I?

Speaker 5 (02:52:00):
appreciate, nope, because I switched to the USAA.

Speaker 1 (02:52:04):
Okay, good boy, good boy.

Speaker 5 (02:52:06):
So, so.
So I appreciate that.
I appreciate you.
What is your college level?

Speaker 3 (02:52:18):
I've graduated college.

Speaker 5 (02:52:19):
Okay, so here we go.
I'm having a bachelor's degree,so now we're hold on.

Speaker 7 (02:52:24):
I'm not saying that either.
I'm not saying you gotta have adegree.

Speaker 3 (02:52:28):
I got about three years of college.
Okay, three years of college.

Speaker 5 (02:52:33):
Miss Mesh Pimp, yeah me too, me too.
I didn't know what I wanted todo.
I did this and I did that and Idid that, and I wanted to be a
security guy, but I couldn'tprogram because I didn't pick it
up when I was three, like mostpeople do nowadays, you know.
So I was just behind the eightball, so I, you know I got some
credits, so.

(02:52:54):
So here you are A clerk, a damngood one, by the way.
And you you started out.
You started out the empire man.

Speaker 7 (02:53:08):
You started out the empire.
And the empire collective.

Speaker 5 (02:53:13):
Yeah, the empire collective.
You started out with your momand your brother right, and you
and now we're, we're, we're atright now.

Speaker 3 (02:53:26):
I'm doing very well, so I'm not asking.

Speaker 5 (02:53:30):
I'm not asking for money figures, Right right.
I'm just asking how you doing,brother Um so.

Speaker 7 (02:53:37):
He owns a motorcycle.

Speaker 3 (02:53:38):
I do that.
He a couple.

Speaker 7 (02:53:41):
And and a cage.
I believe, don't you, I do, Ido.
Yeah, a cage and a motorcycle.
He's doing that well.

Speaker 3 (02:53:47):
I got a couple, a couple.

Speaker 7 (02:53:49):
But I got a house in.

Speaker 3 (02:53:50):
Florida.
I got a house up here, so youknow I'm I'm doing without
giving away what my like networth is.

Speaker 6 (02:54:01):
I don't want it.
I don't want to know You'redoing well.

Speaker 3 (02:54:04):
I'm doing very, very well.
You're doing well.
You're doing extremely well.
Better.
Better than most collegeeducated people.

Speaker 5 (02:54:10):
Uncolly.

Speaker 7 (02:54:11):
Yes, yes.
Most college educated, and I'mnot college educated- and I, I
would be the first one to tellyou you do not need a college
education to do a lot of stuff.

Speaker 4 (02:54:20):
Well, a lot of the class.
They make you tankers.
It's fluff, bullshit.

Speaker 7 (02:54:23):
Oh God, yes, Don't get me started on that shit.

Speaker 3 (02:54:26):
Well I can tell you.
And going back to my wife, hercollege education, you know how
you do.
First you got to get a degree.
She's a doctor.
First here you got to get adegree.
Then you do four years ofmedical school.

Speaker 5 (02:54:41):
And then you got to blah blah.

Speaker 3 (02:54:42):
She did six years straight medical school.
Six years straight medicalschool.
That's it.

Speaker 7 (02:54:50):
And they get.
They get paid garbage, by theway.

Speaker 8 (02:54:53):
I need to say, I just want to say that some of the
most intelligent and smartpeople that I've ever met in my
life they had no college degree.

Speaker 5 (02:55:04):
Thank you.

Speaker 8 (02:55:05):
There's difference between being book smart and
life smart.

Speaker 7 (02:55:09):
Amen to that.

Speaker 8 (02:55:10):
And if you have both, that's great, but there's a lot
of people that have this likebook smartness.

Speaker 4 (02:55:16):
Zero common sense to go in.

Speaker 8 (02:55:17):
And then they cannot translate it to real life.
And then you have people thathave, like, no college education
and you know, maybe they're notdoctors, maybe they're not
lawyers, but guess what?
They are 10 times smarter thanthose people because they can
navigate real life and you knowwhat?
That's one problem about aPolish educational system, and I

(02:55:39):
was gonna say that like, yeah,we kind of went overboard with
getting degrees to everyone,because guess what?
A person that fixes your car ormake sure that your house works
well, they don't need to havebachelor degree or master degree
.
And we went a little overboardwith that because everybody,

(02:56:00):
literally everybody, has masterdegree.
So I just wanna say you don'tneed to have a degree to be life
smart.
Yeah.
And a lot of stuff too.

Speaker 4 (02:56:12):
If you don't necessarily need to have a class
to deal with it.
Do you like what trades peopledo?
You're gonna be a plumber.
Take a trade school Do like Ido IT.

Speaker 1 (02:56:18):
Yeah, do the trade school.

Speaker 7 (02:56:19):
Why do I need to go?

Speaker 4 (02:56:19):
through and, like I, take an anatomy class in school.

Speaker 7 (02:56:21):
An apprenticeship.

Speaker 4 (02:56:22):
A lot of IT guys take an anatomy class for it.

Speaker 7 (02:56:24):
Right, and just cause I'm curious, what was your
specialty?
Family medicine?
Okay, cool.
Yeah, cause she said six years,or excuse me trace it, but
anyway Six years straightmedical school.
But here in America you do yourbachelor's degree and then you
do medical school.
So that, right, there is eightyears Plus.

(02:56:45):
After that you gotta get At theminimum eight years At the
minimum, and then you gotta getmatched to a residency program
and that's another two to sixyears, depending on two to seven
.
Yeah, cause I'm thinking like aneuro doc.
You know they're like-.

Speaker 3 (02:57:03):
Neurosurgeon.

Speaker 7 (02:57:03):
Neurosurgeon.
They're in there forever.
But here's the other thing theyget paid garbage during
residency.

Speaker 3 (02:57:11):
I can attest to that Okay so it's not that bad, okay,
Well, you know it's so beforeit's average of what Americans
make.

Speaker 5 (02:57:21):
Before the quartermaster went on his
rampage I just had a couple.
I had a couple of questions forTrey with his business.
Yeah, okay, so.

Speaker 7 (02:57:35):
But that's what we were gonna say, though, is like
we can get these student loans,you know, to get us started
educationally, but you can'twalk into a bank and say hey, I
wanna start the empirecollective.

Speaker 3 (02:57:49):
Right, and then you gotta pay that.
I was lucky in that regard.

Speaker 5 (02:57:54):
So let me finish, because again Brent went all
crazy, the quartermaster wentcrazy on me, so Whatever.
So you, you know you came homeout of the army.

Speaker 3 (02:58:07):
Yes.

Speaker 5 (02:58:08):
Obviously you married a beautiful young lady.
Yeah, you guys started poppingout kids like no tomorrow.
Oh man, yeah, Woo, woo, woo,woo.
And then what made you thinkabout the whole empire thing?
Because at that point that wasjust on the cusp.

(02:58:29):
Right right Of that being okayto do Right.

Speaker 3 (02:58:33):
What I was looking at doing was I was looking at
doing a caregiver grow, which is.
It would have been just me.
Find some land, throw a polebarn on, make it really nice and
then find some people thatneeded it and then grow 72
plants and then you sell it todispensaries around the state.

(02:58:56):
They kinda cut that out.
So it's a good thing I didn'tget into that.
But I had and this is why I sayI was lucky in this regard is
because I had other people withmeans around me that knew what I
was trying to do.
And they came to me and saidhey, Trey, I know you're trying

(02:59:17):
to do this caregiver thing, whydon't we do a commercial grow?
I was like hey, you got somemoney, she got some money, he
got some money.
Let's put all our moneytogether and do something big.
We can do that.
So that's what we did.
A lot of it was all family,friends and family, so one

(02:59:40):
family friend, the rest of itwas strictly family and we all
put our money together, gotstarted up here in Clare and
Loomis, by the way, not ClareLoomis, yeah yeah, and one thing
I was good at when I was in themilitary was putting together a

(03:00:01):
good team.
That's what I was good at.

Speaker 5 (03:00:05):
I'm gonna say another thing that you were good at
just from the short time I'veknown you is you have a gift.
You have a gift to gab.
You could be a used carsalesman if you really wanted to
be Trey, right, because youhave that.
You got that sweet, soulfulvoice and you're really calm and

(03:00:29):
you're really good.
Yeah, and before you know it,I'd be dropping my pants for you
.
You know, that's what I'mtalking about.
That's what.

Speaker 8 (03:00:39):
Actually, I see some pants dropping down, somebody's
getting underneath, and I justwanna say that, yes, my husband
has this way of selling thingsas easy, even though they're not
easy.

Speaker 3 (03:00:53):
That's true, I do.
That's a whole argument, though.

Speaker 5 (03:00:57):
And the pants dropping down was.
Not the Navy guy.
It was the Navy guy.

Speaker 7 (03:01:02):
It was the guy talking to Trey like this so
that's what we did.

Speaker 3 (03:01:09):
We got this started and I really can't complain.
We're doing well.
We're getting ready to open asecond store and a lot of people
went in like Whole Hog full,like opening 10, 20 different
stores.
Those are the guys that areshutting down.
But our biggest puzzle piecewas, for me, was getting a guy

(03:01:39):
who's our master grower and aquality master grower that's
doing great things.
He finds us good strains andquality strains and then that's

(03:02:02):
it.

Speaker 5 (03:02:05):
So what would you do?

Speaker 4 (03:02:10):
I guess this is true again, so I gotta take off.
I'll see you guys later.
All right, see you.

Speaker 7 (03:02:14):
Thanks for dropping in, brother.

Speaker 5 (03:02:15):
See you, adjutant, you and Phoenix, take care, Be
safe.
Well dear, what would you, trey, I guess?
What would you do, trey, as aentrepreneur?

(03:02:37):
As an entrepreneur, right, whatwould you do?
What would you do to givesuggestions for other young
people?

Speaker 3 (03:02:56):
Well, you're not very young, but other people that
would I'd be younger than you.

Speaker 5 (03:03:00):
Other young people that would wanna go out there
and try the entrepreneurship.
What would you say to them?

Speaker 3 (03:03:06):
I would say find something that you love.
Find something that you loveand work hard at it.
That's really-.

Speaker 7 (03:03:16):
So prostitute would not be a good thing, because I
love that that's still not legalin this state.

Speaker 3 (03:03:24):
So, basically, you just find something that you
love doing and you workextremely hard at doing it.
Charlie can attest to this aswell.
I don't know if he loves whathe does, but-.

Speaker 2 (03:03:38):
Absolutely, you know.
I mean, at the end of the day,right, we're all out there to
produce something that's goodfor the public, kind of
regardless of if it's grownsomething naturally to pipe the
old fittings that we call it inmy industry.
But at the end of the day.

(03:04:00):
Right, everybody's told it'sgot a flush hot wires gotta be
on the left, cold wires gotta beon the right.
You know?
I mean, that's really what it'sall about.
So you know.

Speaker 5 (03:04:11):
Yeah, everybody's gotta do what they wanna do,
like for me.

Speaker 7 (03:04:16):
Jackoff.

Speaker 5 (03:04:18):
Most of the time.
I love the VFW, so I go thereevery day.
I go there every day and Iclean the ice machine, which the
son of a bitch is giving meproblems, but I'll fix it.
I clean the ice machines, I dowhat I need to do to keep the

(03:04:39):
posts running.
I do my bar manager job, I dothe post-commander job and if I
didn't love it, you wouldn't bethere.
I'd be like hey time to go.

Speaker 3 (03:04:51):
And I can tell you, tim and this is not me giving
you the fluff You're one hell ofa commander.
No bullshit.
I appreciate you.

Speaker 7 (03:05:02):
They're touching each other again.

Speaker 3 (03:05:06):
Just slightly.

Speaker 2 (03:05:09):
It's a tough job to do if you're still working, oh
yeah absolutely.

Speaker 3 (03:05:14):
That's more than a 40 hour week and that's the thing
Tim gives it 100%, 100%.

Speaker 2 (03:05:22):
I've had the conversation with him on the way
down to some district stuff.
He was director of the RADSgroups and I asked him the
question you had to givesomething up once.
You give up, because you canonly be pulled in some of your
directions and you have to beable to do things successfully,
yep, you can't half-ass anythingat any one time, yep.

(03:05:46):
So if you're gonna take on more, you have to give something up
Because you can only give 100%.
The old saying gotta give 110%,it's bullshit.
You can't give anything morethan 100%, right?
So at the end of the day, ifyou're gonna give 100%, right,
and you're already running 100%and they want you to do more and

(03:06:09):
give more, you have to givesomething else up.

Speaker 7 (03:06:13):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (03:06:14):
Because you have to have your personal time right.
You have to have the stuff,otherwise you're going insane.
Well, you just can't do anymoreBecause you're gonna forget
things or things are gonna slideby the wayside, and that's not
good, right, right.

Speaker 7 (03:06:28):
What I?
One of the things I wanted tomention was you were like you
gotta find something you love,and one thing in my opinion that
we lack in the education of ourkids is really finding

(03:06:50):
something that they're good atand that they love.
We are so focused on shit thatdoesn't really make a difference
.
Standardized tests just to seeif they know what two plus two
is.

Speaker 8 (03:07:01):
It's shit, I don't need to know what two plus two
is right.

Speaker 7 (03:07:04):
Well, true, but you know what I'm saying, though, is
it's just, it's stuff thatreally doesn't Well.

Speaker 3 (03:07:15):
I can tell you this I never, never found, I never
found something that I reallyloved when I was in school.

Speaker 8 (03:07:25):
You know what I mean Because we did not allow weed at
school.

Speaker 3 (03:07:29):
Well, yeah, that could be.
Could be.
I mean, what I love about weedis helping people that need help
and also be in my own boss.
That's really.
I could be doing something elseother than weed.
As long as I'm my own boss, I'mgood.

Speaker 5 (03:07:53):
Okay, so this this has been long, it's been fun and
really appreciate the younglady from Poland Cause she's
really helped us out with somestuff.
But to wrap it up to wrap it upbecause it's been a long, long

(03:08:17):
night to wrap it up Charlie madea comment about you can only do
so much and you get pushed andpulled and pulled and pushed,
and he's exactly right and wehave talked about this because

(03:08:38):
you know, as a post commander, Ihave the post level stuff.
As a district commander, I havethe district commander stuff.
As department director of theriser group, I have that group.
So I'm all three levels.
I'm getting pushed and pulledand pulled and pushed.
And he asked me a question onetime.

(03:09:00):
He said what would you give up?
And I said if I had to givesomething up, I'm not giving up
post.
If somebody else can be abetter commander me, then they
can run against me.
And if the membership says, yep, we want him rather than him,

(03:09:22):
so be it, I'll take it.
I think I'm a pretty good postcommander.
I think I do a good job at thepost level.

Speaker 7 (03:09:31):
I agree.
We've been all American for howmany years now?

Speaker 5 (03:09:34):
Yeah, two, all state for five.
But that's a post thing.
It's not me, it's a post, it'swhat you guys do.

Speaker 3 (03:09:44):
Yeah, but you're at the head, you're the head of the
snake.

Speaker 5 (03:09:48):
District, all American district commander.
But I think I'm done atdistrict.
I'm done at district.
I will be chief of staff orsomething, but I'm gonna let
somebody else run through thedistrict.
Hopefully Charlie will.
Yeah, that's right.

(03:10:09):
This is for all you, ladies outthere For all you ladies out
there Ah.

Speaker 3 (03:10:15):
Tim's available.
That's right.

Speaker 5 (03:10:20):
But I'm gonna run for department judge.
Advocate man, I think it's mytime to move up.
You got my vote.
It's my time to move up.

Speaker 3 (03:10:31):
If you do department judge advocate, does that mean
you give up the post?
Nope, okay.

Speaker 5 (03:10:37):
No, I'll still be the post commander.
I just won't be anything in thedistrict because I'm starting
to think this guy would be agood post commander, yeah.

Speaker 7 (03:10:48):
What.
Yep, you, britton, and Tim isrolling his eyes right now.

Speaker 3 (03:10:57):
When Tim is done.
I think you would be.
You got my vote, you, charlie.
There's a couple people.

Speaker 5 (03:11:04):
I think Charlie would be a great post commander.

Speaker 7 (03:11:05):
I think it would be.

Speaker 5 (03:11:07):
If Charlie run against me next year, I'd be
done.
Terry and Sancio, if you runagainst me.

Speaker 7 (03:11:13):
I'd be done.

Speaker 5 (03:11:14):
Oh well, yeah.

Speaker 7 (03:11:15):
Well, and I appreciate that comment, but
there's quite a few people thatI can think of Charlie being one
of them that I would like tosee cycled through.
Right Again if they want.

Speaker 3 (03:11:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (03:11:29):
And listen, but otherwise, as quarter master,
right now, right, my power isthe purse, right, right.
But I would want to, just forexperience sake, cycle through
junior vice and senior vice andwhatnot.
We should, you know, and youshould.
But again, if nobody rogers up,right, I mean, you know, you

(03:11:53):
can only do so much, and if youdon't want it, you don't want it
.
I mean, that's our policyanyway, right, you know, if
somebody's nominated, do youaccept this nomination?

Speaker 5 (03:12:07):
Do you?

Speaker 7 (03:12:08):
You know it's always your choice, so so.

Speaker 3 (03:12:11):
All right so, but, bretton, you're doing good
things though.
That's what.
That's my point, yep.

Speaker 5 (03:12:16):
And as a commander, you're a good quarter master,
Even though I ride you like alittle bitch.
Well, and I shouldn't ride youthe way I do because you're you
didn't get properly trained.
You didn't get properly trained.

Speaker 3 (03:12:33):
But.

Speaker 5 (03:12:33):
But he's doing good, but you know what we're working
through it.
We're getting our 990s done,we're getting all this other
stuff.
You're bringing Brent and Scottinto the mix and we're getting
shit done, giving him propertraining, proper training.
So, with that being said, Ithink it's been a good night.

Speaker 3 (03:12:54):
It has been.

Speaker 5 (03:12:55):
It has been a good night, I mean.

Speaker 7 (03:12:58):
We're over three hours at this point.

Speaker 5 (03:12:59):
Yeah, I think, going forward, maybe we need to do
like an hour and a half and thencut it and then, if we're gonna
still wanna talk, do an hourand a half hour and a half
segments.

Speaker 3 (03:13:13):
Yeah, three hours.

Speaker 5 (03:13:14):
Three hours is a long time for some of us it is.

Speaker 7 (03:13:16):
It is so then.
But again, they'll listen intheir car and you know, three
hours goes quick if you'redriving from here to Detroit,
you know.

Speaker 2 (03:13:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (03:13:26):
But, but you know, let's, let's leave it to our
listeners, yeah, and give ussome feedback.
So you know, email us.

Speaker 5 (03:13:33):
So that's, that's what I wanna ask you, brinton,
because you're kinda in Joe left, you're kinda the head person,
you and Joe, or you guys aretechie too.
Is there something on thepodcast website that they can?
They can email us and say, hey,we'd like to hear about this.

(03:13:54):
Yeah, we'd like to hear aboutthat, we'd like.
Nah, you know you guys go intothis too much, you go in this,
and is there some way we can putit out there and say, hey, tell
us what you want.

Speaker 7 (03:14:06):
I think.
I think it's already there.
I might be wrong and if I am,hey, whatever.
But I'll check on that.
By the time you know this goeslive, I'll double check and make
sure, but if not, I will makesure that our email is listed
there.

Speaker 5 (03:14:25):
So they can VFWPost333.

Speaker 7 (03:14:28):
Yep VFWPost3033 at gmailcom.
And Subject Line podcastfeedback.
I mean, you know it'll get tous.
Let us know what you think,what you wanna hear.
If you, you know, have ideasfor topics, ideas for people to
bring on, that'd be great.

(03:14:50):
We wanna hear about this andget this podcast going.

Speaker 5 (03:14:54):
Yep and clerk God, we should have named you.

Speaker 3 (03:15:02):
I'm the clerk and he's the cocksucker.

Speaker 5 (03:15:04):
Yeah, hey, hey.
T-bone, t-bone.
What'd you got Anything?
Last party message.

Speaker 3 (03:15:12):
No, I think we need to go save Charlie and call this
a night.

Speaker 5 (03:15:16):
Good, okay, so we're gonna go save Charlie and call
it night, but I'm gonna sayheads up, outstanding job.
Eva T-Bone's wife.

Speaker 8 (03:15:30):
Eva.

Speaker 5 (03:15:31):
Eva, sorry, dear Like never, ever.
Never, ever, okay, that's theway I'm gonna tell you ever, hey
, never, ever, okay, so neverever.
She come in, and she came andshe talked to us about the way
stuff is in a different country.

Speaker 3 (03:15:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (03:15:48):
And that's outstanding.
That's outstanding becausethat's what we want.

Speaker 3 (03:15:52):
Very proud of my wife right now.

Speaker 5 (03:15:54):
Yeah, you should be.

Speaker 8 (03:15:55):
Just to close it up, our military sucks Like we would
not stand up for one day.

Speaker 3 (03:16:00):
That is true, like listen.

Speaker 5 (03:16:03):
The Poland military or our military, Polish military
?

Speaker 8 (03:16:06):
No, no, Polish one but hey we have a good education
right.

Speaker 3 (03:16:10):
Listen.
If so, her dad was in themilitary.
Her dad is a retired lieutenant32 years.
Retired lieutenant colonel andI'm trying to make this quick.
If they came to him and saidhis name is VS Swaff, vs Swaff,
vs Swaff, that's not atransformer right.
Yep VS Swaff.

(03:16:31):
You are deploying to Iraq intwo months.
Get your shit together.

Speaker 5 (03:16:38):
No, I'm not no.

Speaker 3 (03:16:39):
I'm not he could be like no, I'm not going, he
wouldn't go.
He would not go.
I was like what yeah Okay?

Speaker 5 (03:16:51):
So hold on.
I would like young lady grabthe headphones, cause when we're
done I want you to hear theoutgoing thing.
So, for all you people outthere, this is the post,
commander Borla Hannah, post 333, and we appreciate you and

(03:17:15):
we're going to put these on outthere and you let us know what
we want.
You have a good night, takecare and remember drink beer.

Speaker 8 (03:17:27):
Drink beer or vodka.

Speaker 5 (03:17:29):
Or vodka.

Speaker 7 (03:17:31):
Or non-o alcoholic beverages.

Speaker 5 (03:17:32):
Or non-o alcoholic beverages.
It's Indian coffee, yeah.

Speaker 7 (03:17:36):
Good night, All right .
Good night everybody.
Thanks for joining us.
I want you to hear the old one.
I go.

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