From Battlefields to Backyards: Uniting Veterans' Voices on Combat, Community, and the Civilian Stride

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
War is a paradox.
It has the power to bringnations together, to inspire
heroism and sacrifice and toforge bonds of camaraderie that
will span a lifetime, but italso has the power to tear
families apart, to shattercommunities and to leave scars
that will never fully heal.
And, for those who have served,the transition back to civilian

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life can be one of the greatestchallenges they will ever face.
This is the typical life ofmilitary veterans, a world that
is both familiar and foreign tomost of us.
It is a world that is shaped byunique experiences, values and
traditions of the military andby the sacrifices and struggles
of those who have served, butit's also a world that is

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constantly changing, as newgenerations of veterans confront
new challenges and newopportunities.
Thank you for joining us atSoup Sandwich.
Dig your foxhole, heat up yourMRE and spend some time with us.
This podcast is designed solelyfor entertainment and,
occasionally, informationalpurposes only, and is to be

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regarded strictly as satire.
Comprising of veterans, itdelves into their thoughts and
experiences in combat, as wellas their perspectives on various
aspects of daily life that maybe unsettling for certain
listeners.
This podcast is not suitablefor individuals under the age of
18.
The views articulated in thispodcast may not necessarily
align with those of the NationalVFW VFW Department of Michigan

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or VFW Post 3033.
Additionally, we kindly requestthat listeners refrain from
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In other words, please don'tsue us.

Speaker 2 (01:46):
What's going on, everybody?
Welcome to another episode ofSoup Sandwich.
Got a few friends around thetable.
We'll start with me, since I'mthe most important.
I'm Brett Holbrook, founder ofthe Soup Sandwich podcast.
Member of Post 3033 VFW.
Let's go this way around thetable.

Speaker 3 (02:09):
Trey Porter, post member 3033.
I'm also the vice president ofthe Post 33 Writers Group.
Also, I have the honorarydistinction of being the most
handsome member of Post 3033.
You're running a close second,roy.

Speaker 4 (02:32):
I'm Roy Thomas, just a member of the VFW, Post 3033.
First time welcome Thanks.

Speaker 8 (02:42):
Purple Heart, by the way.

Speaker 5 (02:44):
Winner?
I don't think that's a winner.

Speaker 8 (02:50):
Purple Heart awarded recipient.

Speaker 5 (02:54):
I'm Charlie Klein, life member at Post 3333 and the
Writers Group president, soundof freedom.

Speaker 3 (03:02):
Sound of freedom early tonight, cracking those
pepsis early, that's right.

Speaker 8 (03:08):
I'm Tim Arteby.
I'm the Post Commander.
Director of the Writers Groupof Michigan, district Commander
and founder of my Ass Okay.

Speaker 7 (03:20):
I'm Joseph Gates, the head agent for Post 3333, and
all around nerd.

Speaker 3 (03:26):
All around, nerd, he's embracing it.

Speaker 5 (03:30):
We got both nerds tonight, it's great.

Speaker 2 (03:32):
One and two.
I'm going to jump back realquick to the winning the Purple
Heart Same thing.
I hate it when people say youknow, this guy won the Medal of
Honor.
Fucking win that shit.

Speaker 5 (03:45):
None of us won it.

Speaker 4 (03:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (03:49):
Damn Throw a large ship badge.

Speaker 4 (03:53):
What Enemy marksmanship?

Speaker 6 (03:57):
Oh fuck.

Speaker 7 (03:58):
I've never heard of a call that before I haven't
either.

Speaker 2 (04:02):
That's pretty good.
I'll have to tell Terry thatKind of reminds me of you.
Guys might remember who wasthat said this, but you know,
our job is not to die for ourcountry but to make the other
bastard die for his George.

Speaker 8 (04:16):
Patton.

Speaker 2 (04:17):
Yeah, of course.

Speaker 4 (04:19):
Little Patton.

Speaker 2 (04:21):
Oh shit.

Speaker 6 (04:23):
So what are we?

Speaker 2 (04:23):
talking about tonight .

Speaker 5 (04:24):
Gentlemen, Well, I think first of all, since this
is Roy's first podcast tonight,why don't you tell us a little
bit about your service, whereyou were at things you did, the
good, the bad, the ugly, whatbrought?

Speaker 8 (04:38):
you to the post.

Speaker 5 (04:40):
We're going to break you in right out the gate.

Speaker 8 (04:43):
We're going to throw all the hardship at you.
That's where we get moving on.

Speaker 5 (04:47):
That way, anybody knew this listening kind of gets
a feel, for you know they'veheard us talk a million times.

Speaker 4 (04:53):
I graduated high school 2001 from Mone Pleasants.
That night I was on a plane toSan Diego.
Back then Michigan, you stillhad the choice of San Diego.
You could go to either SanDiego or Paris Island.
You still had the choice.
So obviously you know, we wentto San Diego.

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I went in on a buddy program.
I have a, my best friend fromhigh school.
We left that night.
We were on a plane to San Diego.
Went to bootcamp June.
So I graduated bootcamp August31st 2001.
Came home for 10 days of leave.
Flew back to CaliforniaSeptember 10th 2001.

Speaker 3 (05:37):
What a great fucking time.
Oh, I was going to say what agreat year.

Speaker 4 (05:41):
You were in school of infantry I had to check in to
SOI on September 11th 2001.
I remember we flew back toCalifornia.
You know we were just drinkingwaters and stuff at the hotel,
you know, because it was coldenough.
It was like five o'clock in themorning somewhere in there and

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like our cell phones juststarted blowing up and I mean
you know cell phone back thenEarly, still kind of primitive,
but like we just bought them,you know like the 10th and stuff
.
but uh, man, like our, they juststarted blowing up and I
remember, you know, I answeredand it was my mom and she was

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just like in tears, you know.
She's like what's going tohappen?
We were like what's going on?

Speaker 8 (06:29):
We had no idea.

Speaker 4 (06:31):
We were not even awake yet.
Uh, you know, they told us toturn on TV, so we cranked on the
TV and we were just like, ohshit, yeah, you know, just got
an eye opening.

Speaker 5 (06:42):
you know, like I was actually on a 25 miler out at 29
palms.
Oh guys, his phones wereringing while we were hiking and
that's how we found peoplecalling from East Coast, calling
the West Coast.
You know, my wife got woke upat, you know, six o'clock in the
morning, 5, 30 in the morning.
She was out there and she was,yeah, she was in California with
me and then you know everybodyback here it's 9 30.

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So it's three hours bad untilsix 30, whatever.
There, you know, the firstplanes were hitting.
She had no freaking idea, man.
So I I get it Like what's goingon.
What do you mean?

Speaker 4 (07:15):
So we turned it on.
You know, and just watching itand I don't like a little panic
set in, you know, you're 18years old, you're, you know, all
the way across the country andjust starting on this new and
journey, you just got a bootcamp.
You know that was treacherous,you know, at the beginning.
And then obviously you go, yougraduate, become marine, and now

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you got to go check into yourschool and it's almost that that
repetitive.
Like you made it to the, youknow, the top line of like boot
camp.
Now you're starting all over atS O I to learn a whole new
field.
So you're jumping back in, youknow, to another big pond and so
you have no idea what's goingon.
So we go and we check into S O Iand it was just chaos there.
You know all the instructorsare.
I mean they're running aroundthe yelling and screaming and

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they're like, oh, you boysbetter get off training.
You can't cause you could begone tomorrow, like we're going
to war and just sheer chaos.
But I ended up going, gotthrough S O I, went to a unit to
force like I'm tying fourthMarines.
We were attached to the fifthMarines in San Mateo.
You know, go into some historythere.

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The fourth Marines are neverallowed to fly their colors,
their regimental colors, in theUnited States again.
That's why the fourth Marineregimental building is in
Okinawa.

Speaker 6 (08:27):
Japan.

Speaker 4 (08:31):
But so for Marines are attached to different
infantry units here stateside.
So we were attached to thefifth Marines and lo and behold,
I mean we went to Okinawa in2002.
I was supposed to come back in03.
We were in Korea doing sometraining and the war ended up
kicking off around then.

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So they did a stop, a stop moveon.
The whole military Ended up,you know, spent another six
months in Okinawa, did some timeon ship, some training in
Tinian and Tinian Guam, and camehome in January of 03 and went
and did a mountain warfaretraining package, because at
that time we started thinking wewere, or, while we were, it was

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on the radar that we wereheading to the mountains of
Afghanistan.
And then, february 04, we gotshipped to Iraq.
We flew into Kuwait, did someacclimatizations there and
shoveled up to Avramadi, iraq.
And then a fateful day of April6th, april 6th 2004.

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Sheared chaos.
We stepped out on the MSR suiteand, you know, immediately we
found an IED buried and wecalled for EOD, you know which
was SOP, and they came back andthey were swamped already.
It was just it ended up beinglike a coordinated attack from,

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you know, the opposing forcesand they just started hitting
Iraq.
So they came on the radio andsaid hey, if you guys take care
of it, move on.
So you know we detonated it andkept moving on.
Then we found another one.
We did a you know a HD 360 forsecurity to try, and you know,

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just gather and go from there.
But we went through the tankgraveyard which was just an area
on the MSR suite.
We had a sniper team out there,you know, hidden, and we got
down around that second IED andthe snipers radioed on the you
know on the radio there thattheir position was compromised
and they were taking fire.
One of the squads went back and, as soon as they got into the

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area, all hell broke loose.
I mean all the gunfire, and weheard it, and then we started
taking gunfire.
I jump up on the road, combatengineer follows with me and we
start shooting cover fire and wetake a squad to a house.
We had a couple guys on somelookout posts but ended up
having to go get them.

Speaker 8 (11:09):
We took the house.

Speaker 4 (11:09):
We were just fighting to defend the house and next
thing I know a hangar in AEDlands two feet from my left foot
and I grabbed my radio operatoror my right foot.
I grabbed my waiter operator.
I tell him to run and push himout of the way.
I talked my Kevlar and talk myM16 down the side of my leg and

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got blown up by a hangar here Iam today, so pretty intense.
What are you 19 then?

Speaker 7 (11:39):
2004.
No 21.
21?
.

Speaker 5 (11:44):
It's crazy, especially looking back.
Now we're in our 40s.

Speaker 4 (11:48):
I think that was 20 years ago.
Some of us Me.

Speaker 8 (11:53):
So you were two months in country About, about,
yeah.

Speaker 7 (11:59):
Well glad to have you , man Glad you had it back home,
thanks.

Speaker 5 (12:03):
And I know how much pride you got for your battalion
, the guys that you served with.
That battle in Ramadi washorrendous.
I mean, that's a famous battle.
You know what I mean.
Then they had to go back, takeit again.
Right, you know what I mean.
So we took it once, gave itback up and then had to take it
again.

Speaker 4 (12:20):
So I couldn't imagine , you know we lost.
So in the seven monthdeployment we lost 34 Marines,
one sail Like it wascatastrophic.
So it would be our juniorMarines, you know, as they come
up to senior Marines.
When you know, all of us guysgot out they had to go back in

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2006 to Ramadi.
Yeah, I couldn't imagine havingto go back to those
battlegrounds where, so much youknow, you lost so many of your
brothers and shed so much blood.
Yeah, you know, we had likeover 250 wounded.
It was just nasty.
Yeah, so I couldn't imaginehaving to go back.
Those guys didn't.

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I mean, they did well.

Speaker 5 (13:03):
Especially after you took it the first time.

Speaker 4 (13:05):
Right, they go back and do it again, you redo it all
over.

Speaker 5 (13:08):
You know it's got to be one heartbreaking, but two,
it's got to piss you off.
It's got to give you adifferent set of motivational
butter.
Once again, though, you'refighting a face.
Well, you're fighting the kindof demons that you left.
Right, you know what I mean.
You left, and now you got to goback.

Speaker 4 (13:22):
That's got to be, Right, you know, but almost at
the same time, as it's almostlike going home.
You know you spend so much timethere, you know, and as combat
veterans and stuff like thatHunger, you know, once you've
had, you know that experience,that adrenaline, you know
there's, there's nothing else tocompare, so to get to go back

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and do it again, you know itfills that need, that quest,
that thirst.

Speaker 3 (13:52):
I was a.
I was in a muddy Shit Quite afew years after you were.
It was 2000 and 2009, 2009,2010, give or take.
I was there.
I did spend three months in themighty and boy you got his
purple heart there.

Speaker 5 (14:11):
Paper cut yeah, hey, there's.

Speaker 3 (14:19):
No, we, we it was.
I was the first time I was inIraq.
I was in Scania, place calledScania.
I was there for a year, well,actually fucking 15 months.
They extended us the cutcenters and did you get caught
up in that?
So you were there about thesame time.

Speaker 5 (14:39):
I was there in 06 Tim skate.
Yeah, 06 07.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (14:44):
And they extended, extended us, but anyways, and we
got rocked quite a bit when wewere there.

Speaker 4 (14:52):
It's nasty.

Speaker 3 (14:53):
Morders, rockets, rockets, yep when I was at them
and Rustam Maya, they called itrocket Maya, rocket Maya.

Speaker 8 (15:01):
And then murder Ritaville.

Speaker 3 (15:03):
And then this, the second time I went, I spent
three months in Romani and fuckit reminded me of being back in
in Scania.
We were getting, we weregetting mortared, fucking taking
fire on the five.
Yeah, it was nuts, nuts.
I remember I woke up in themiddle of that was like what was

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that.
And I was in.
This is my second time being inIraq, so I have those dreams of
fucking getting mortared andeverything else all the time.
So I figured I was justdreaming.
So I was getting ready to layback down and one of my soldiers
popped their head in my tubeand was like sorry to bother Get
to the bunker.
I was like, oh shit, that wasreal.

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And then that's when we weretaking fire on the five I don't
know if there was there was anoverpass or something over there
, by by, where our shoes were,something where they were able
to get a beat on us and see, usfrom up.

Speaker 4 (16:05):
Well, the problem for us was I mean, we were, we were
right across the street fromthere was like some college you
know, right on MSR Michigan, youknow which was a main supplier
out there.
But you know, early on and theyjust drove around and pickup
trucks with you know motorvehicles and they would just
drive and circle around the baseand just kept launching.
I mean they mortared us all thetime.

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Yeah, all the time.

Speaker 3 (16:29):
Love to be from the army was pretty big.
That was huge.
I mean there was, I guess, ablessing that it was so big on
Ramadi that that hard to hit usNot, you know, it's not like
they didn't hit us, but they,they.
It was a lot harder than thosewhere I was at and in Scania.

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Scania was this big.
I mean it was tiny and fuckthose fucking getting us all the
time All the time that'sfishing a barrel, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 (17:03):
So well so when we were over there, when we went,
we didn't have a my up armoredharm bees.

Speaker 5 (17:09):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 (17:13):
We had soft top humvees and for for the seven
tons we made, we took two sheetsof OSB and row of sandbags in
the middle on the ratchetstrapped together like that was
the protection for the troops.
Back to the seven times.
We didn't have any, anyprotection.
You know our motor pool found abunch of old steel, you know,
and they just cut out.
You know, door frames, you know, to fit inside but there was no

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latches.
So as you're, you know you'redriving down on the home V I
mean you're chicken wing in thatdoor to keep it shut because
there was just no locks oranything like.
We had to make all of our ownarmor and protection stuff for
our vehicles.
It was stupid.
You should never, you know,send our forces over.

Speaker 8 (17:50):
Yeah, but they didn't know what they were going to
end to.
Right, they didn't right.

Speaker 4 (17:55):
Initially.
You know we went over for SASemissions.

Speaker 8 (17:56):
You know security and stability operations, but that
was far from it, like I thinkwhen I was there, the majority
of conflicts, battles, whateveryou want to call Usually it was
EFPs or roadside bombs, right, Imean, there was a couple of

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missions that they did wherethey took some gunfire and stuff
like that, but the majority ofit was mortars, rockets, efps
and IEDs.

Speaker 4 (18:27):
Yeah, so I mean IEDs, you know were early on.
You know, even even through ourdeployment, you know they were
super primitive, you know, andtwo wires and you know, and a
battery and stuff, but even youcould, you could see their
progression.
You know, by the end of thedeployment and you know they
were able to detonate themremotely.

Speaker 8 (18:46):
You know, so they could get further away.

Speaker 4 (18:49):
You know, because when we would find IEDs early on
, you know we'd just follow, youknow the wires and you'd find
like some little makeshift holeor something and you know a
battery and they'd just besitting there.
But you know, later on theywere able to do it.
Cell phone, garage door, youknow openers and stuff like that
.
There's this one place that.

Speaker 8 (19:08):
I don't know what platoon did it, but they raided
it, they did a mission and whenthey went into it they had a
garage and they had a full sizeHumvee with the Rhino on the
wall, so that they knew how bigthe Humvee was, how far out the

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Rhino stood, so that they couldset up their EFPs at the right
level so the Rhino wouldn't setit off or whatever.
It was pretty, I mean.

Speaker 5 (19:42):
They adapted well, but you learn through your
mistakes right.
So you know, as much as wedon't think their technology is
as good as ours, it obviouslywasn't.
You know what?

Speaker 6 (19:54):
I mean.

Speaker 4 (19:55):
But they could make definitely not lack of effort
for them, yeah.

Speaker 5 (19:59):
What they had, they made it work Right.

Speaker 4 (20:03):
They found a way to shoot for shit.
Well, I mean, they adapted.
No I mean they fire from thehip all the time.

Speaker 3 (20:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (20:10):
I mean, they adapted through the times and you know
even the mistake they made isthey fucked with the USA?

Speaker 8 (20:17):
Sure, now it's our answer.

Speaker 5 (20:21):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (20:24):
We've been itching for that for a few decades that
mother fuckers yeah.
We've known forever.
You know that they've backed.
Well, what do they do now?
They're backing the Houthis,right yeah, and they back
countless other terroristregimes.
Always back the.

Speaker 5 (20:44):
Coutis the.

Speaker 8 (20:45):
Coutis, the Coutis.

Speaker 1 (20:47):
The Coutis is what I'm back, back the.

Speaker 8 (20:50):
Coutis all the time.

Speaker 5 (20:51):
Oh, houthis, yeah, I don't know.
Yeah, fuck those guys, fuckthem all.

Speaker 2 (20:56):
Now we're fucking them up too, because you know
we've taken down a number ofthose drones and stuff, but
we've been launching all kindsof fricking sorties and hundreds
of their targets just gone.

Speaker 3 (21:10):
I don't know what.
I don't know what any anybodyis thinking when they decide to
do something against us becausewe're going to come in and we're
going to fucking kill everybody.
We are and I don't know whatthe hell they're thinking when

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they do what they do.
And I mean I get theirsentiment right and I'm sure
they feel it's a noble and justcause.

Speaker 2 (21:43):
At least on their side.

Speaker 3 (21:44):
On their side.
Yes, I'm sure they feel thatway, but let's be honest.

Speaker 5 (21:48):
It's not the smartest move.

Speaker 2 (21:50):
Well, in the words of the late great Toby Keith we'll
put a boot in their ass becausethat's the American way.

Speaker 6 (22:00):
Oh shit.

Speaker 3 (22:01):
Yeah, I don't.
I just don't understand, like Iran, what they're thinking
they're thinking they're God.
You know a lot of us are goingto Listen.
That's the last country overthere we pretty much got to deal
with, and that's Saudi.
Yeah Well, there are allies,right.

Speaker 8 (22:22):
Really.

Speaker 2 (22:24):
Aren't they Okay?
Yeah, well, they're not openlyand rebelling against us either,
so you can say that yeah.

Speaker 3 (22:30):
I know If you're convinced.

Speaker 8 (22:34):
I'm not convinced.
No, hell.

Speaker 3 (22:35):
No, I'm not convinced .

Speaker 8 (22:36):
Yeah, because I think they had a young prince called
fish food.
I mean, what was his name?
I even forgot Osama bin Laden.
Oh yeah the bin Laden guy.
I was thinking Obama bin Laden,but I call him fish food, so
they had fish food there.
He was a Saudi prince, right.

Speaker 3 (22:58):
Something like that.

Speaker 8 (22:59):
Well, he was a Saudi billionaire, yeah somehow he's
backed.

Speaker 3 (23:03):
You know who he's backed by.

Speaker 2 (23:06):
And then what was the line that they tried to try to
float, Like he was a CIAoperative or some shit for a
while.
And supposedly air quotes.
Supposedly that's how he gothis training.
I don't know that is the Well Iunderstand, didn't he fight?

Speaker 8 (23:24):
He fought the Russians.
Yeah, that's what.

Speaker 3 (23:26):
I was saying he fought the Russians.

Speaker 2 (23:27):
I don't think he did.
All right, let's look up theWikipedia page.
Hold on a second and here goesthe so here.

Speaker 3 (23:36):
Here's the group that was fighting the Russians was
God damn that wasn't the group.

Speaker 8 (23:48):
I know.

Speaker 6 (23:49):
Fighting wasn't in the 80s.

Speaker 3 (23:51):
The.

Speaker 7 (23:51):
Russian huge bash.

Speaker 4 (23:52):
I wasn't like Afghanistan or Russia or back in
the 80s.
Yeah, you gotta take a phonecall.

Speaker 8 (23:58):
That was one.
Rocky was on or it's going togo.
It's golden we're getting.
We can't have radio silence.

Speaker 2 (24:10):
Well, I'm looking, I'm looking it up.

Speaker 7 (24:13):
Been letting again providing financial logistical
support Islamic fighters by theSoviets in late 1979.

Speaker 8 (24:19):
There you go.
That's why we got a Joe.

Speaker 3 (24:21):
Yeah, that's from FBIgov yeah that's why we got a
Joe.
What is it?

Speaker 7 (24:26):
What is it?
The the Russians?

Speaker 3 (24:29):
were fighting who?

Speaker 7 (24:31):
the Islamic fighters as well.

Speaker 6 (24:33):
So I'm freedom fighters.

Speaker 8 (24:35):
No, no, there was a name for that group.
I just don't remember the name.

Speaker 2 (24:40):
But basically they were.

Speaker 8 (24:42):
Islamic and they were fighters.

Speaker 4 (24:45):
So I'm the tip of my Right but the Muhaj, yeah, the
Mojideen, mojideen.
Yeah, we fought them, you know,in Iraq.

Speaker 3 (24:52):
Yeah, well, they turned into the Mojideen, turned
into Al Qaeda.
Yeah, morphed into yeah.

Speaker 4 (25:00):
Right, so there's.
I think you know the is theIslam is, you know, an umbrella
to so many of these in, you knowthese individual groups that
want the religion of peace.

Speaker 3 (25:13):
Yeah, right, right so .

Speaker 2 (25:21):
What's interesting here?
When you pull up the Al QaedaWikipedia page, they list a
whole bunch of what they callallies and it says Pakistan,
qatar, saudi Arabia and NorthKorea have all been alleged oh
and Iran have all been allegedto be allies to the Al Qaeda

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group.

Speaker 8 (25:42):
Allegedly yeah.

Speaker 2 (25:45):
And of course they were all denied and probably
serious.

Speaker 8 (25:48):
probably on there, mm , hmm.

Speaker 4 (25:51):
The whole Middle East territory yeah.

Speaker 2 (25:55):
Hezbollah Taliban the Houthis.
Hezbollah Fucking Hamas.
They're all.

Speaker 8 (26:01):
They're all considered the Israelis are
kicking the shit out of them,boys.

Speaker 2 (26:08):
And I I heard that they found all those tunnels and
they're just fucking floodingthe tunnels with water from the
Mediterranean.

Speaker 6 (26:13):
Yeah, they said they said fuck it, we're not.

Speaker 2 (26:15):
we're not wasting lives Filling the fucker up with
water.

Speaker 6 (26:19):
That's not a bad idea .

Speaker 2 (26:22):
That's what.
That's what I mean war is war.

Speaker 4 (26:25):
You know you're not there to you know obviously you
know the smarter man's going towin, you know strategically.
So if you can, if you can savelives and you know, flood them
and use water, or, you know,push them that way like damn
right.
Yeah, exactly, you know.

Speaker 2 (26:40):
You know it's, it's it's saving, you know your
troops and, and you know, you'renot going to get the money
Exactly, and I think we said it,maybe you Trey, maybe you said
it last time.
Anyway, like they had everyopportunity to get Hamas out of
that, out of out of power, outof that area.

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You know for how long,obviously, since this most
recent activity, how long havethey kind of lived in a relative
state of peace Wasn't like the80s.

Speaker 8 (27:13):
Wasn't there a bomb that hit a hotel in Palestine?
Um, with the warhead Marines.
That was Beirut, beirut.

Speaker 4 (27:23):
Yeah, it was like 83 or something.
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (27:26):
Yeah, and we should have went in there and just
apply, politely, asked them toleave.
Look at there, we got.
We got our nerd Joe thewebmaster over here.
Every time we ask a questionhe's over on his computer.
Yep 83.

Speaker 2 (27:48):
Take long but now the Israeli president.
You know we're we're doing allthese fucking peace, trying to
do these backdoor peace dealsand hostage, you know, and
that's all fine and good, don'tget me wrong.
I mean, if you know we canrelease a hostage, let's do it
right.
But at the same time they'reasking him to back down and just

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relax and everything.
Fuck that shit Right.
You know, everybody was fine upuntil they flew in and attacked
that music fest.
Like go fuck yourselves, youknow and listen to people.
I mean I'm not going to say I'man expert in foreign policy and
all that other shit that's goingon over there, because it's all
religious.
You know, it's all right.
But, but at the same time, youguys live in a relative peace,

(28:34):
despite your differences, andthen you fucking do something
like that.
Yeah, you deserve what iscoming, absolutely, 100%,
absolutely.
So go fuck yourselves.

Speaker 8 (28:48):
Well, much and there's.
Israelis, don't play.

Speaker 6 (28:55):
They don't.

Speaker 2 (28:56):
Holy fuck, they don't .

Speaker 8 (28:58):
They're like hey, fuck you.

Speaker 3 (29:01):
Well there are a lot of women and children dying over
there.

Speaker 8 (29:06):
And that's unfortunate.

Speaker 6 (29:08):
Absolutely.
What do?

Speaker 2 (29:10):
they call that collateral damage, but who's
kind of fucked up to say it?
But is it the?

Speaker 4 (29:14):
Israelis Right.
You always want to minimize,you know damage.

Speaker 8 (29:17):
But is it the Israelis fault or is it the
Hamas's fault?

Speaker 3 (29:21):
Well, it's Israelis and Hamas.

Speaker 2 (29:23):
But Hamas pulled the trigger first, so ultimately the
proxy listen and I get it.

Speaker 3 (29:29):
I do get it.
I do get it and it'sunfortunate that these kids,
like I see so many videos andpictures of kids dead, maimed
whatever I understand.

Speaker 8 (29:42):
But do you?
But you always only see it fromthe terrorist side, you see?

Speaker 3 (29:48):
Israeli, but are those people terrorists?

Speaker 8 (29:50):
Well, they're not, but the people they live with
their husband, their brothers.

Speaker 4 (29:57):
So after you, I'd say a majority are not, but I do
know with our time in Iraq.
You know we were attacked by,you know, women and children.
You know I've got a couplebuddies, you know, that were
blown up, you know by hangar andAIDS, by, you know kids walking
right up to them and rich?

Speaker 8 (30:16):
Yeah, because we were not wired to just shoot little
kids.
No, we don't have to live thatway over here, but they live
that way for thousands of years.

Speaker 4 (30:27):
When we went out for patrol.
You know we always asked, likeany care packages you know, for
hard candies because I mean ahundred plus degree.
you know heat can have regularchocolate, you know melted or
whatever.
So we asked for hard candies.
But you know we would stuff ourcargo pockets before we went
out on patrol and you know, aswe walk through these villages
and stuff, I mean we would justhand out these candies and make

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them friends.
But you know, try and havethese kids walk with us as far
as they would, because of aslong as you know those children
were around, you know theywouldn't attack us, you know.
So what they would end up doingis, you know they'd go through
that village or whatever, youknow, the night prior or so and
said hey, stay clear, you knowwe're attacking US forces.
So now you know we go throughan early warning device.

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Now we go through and you know,all of a sudden, these children
you know, you know that havefollowed us for several previous
times.
Now we know it's about to hitthe fan.
When it's quiet, that's whenyou know, right, you know the
streets are dead, Nobody's outand about.
Now we know something's aboutto go down.

Speaker 2 (31:24):
So the other.
The other fucked up thing isyou know, war is war.
It's not a pretty thing, Right.
It's a paradox.

Speaker 8 (31:33):
It's a paradox.
Exactly, You're an intro.
I was a little bit yeah hewasn't listening, fucker.

Speaker 2 (31:40):
I wrote that goddamn.

Speaker 7 (31:41):
I was just going to say an author for it.

Speaker 2 (31:43):
No but.
But you know it's not a prettything.
But over all these years, youknow you've had generations and
different iterations of what Idon't know the word honorable
warfare looks like right, we'veoutlawed countless types of

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warfare and fucking shit likethat, but like child soldiers,
right, internationally that is adenounced form of warfare,
correct.

Speaker 8 (32:14):
Right there's, somebody didn't get the memo.

Speaker 2 (32:17):
Let's see, that's my point.
Like you can't Africa.

Speaker 8 (32:21):
You can't have Somalia, exactly you can't, you
can't have.

Speaker 2 (32:27):
you know this is going to kind of get into the
whole like rules of engagementand shit too, but you can't have
a joke.

Speaker 5 (32:36):
Let me guess that's going to be the second part.

Speaker 2 (32:38):
Yeah, yeah, that's all.
I'm one.
But you can't have one way ofwarfare, right?
That's my point.
You can't have one way ofwarfare on one side, right, we
always follow the Genevaconventions.

Speaker 5 (32:51):
But they were, we were in uniform.

Speaker 4 (32:54):
So right they don't right they don't.

Speaker 5 (32:56):
They don't fight by any rules or any.

Speaker 4 (32:58):
They're not, they're a faceless enemy.
You know, they blend guerrillawarfare, so that's, that's my
point.

Speaker 2 (33:04):
You know the how many times have they come out and
said that?
You know they found basicallyheadquarters, shit in fucking
hospitals and other places thatare normally off limits to us,
right?
You know, and it's you know.
We see that we're like fuck.
Of course it was there you knowlike we knew that that's what

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they were doing, but anyway.

Speaker 8 (33:27):
I came up with an idea because I worked at the
talk and I had to do that,stupid briefings with the
battalion commander and all thatbullshit, and we were talking
about there's this one mosque,that that's what they were doing
.
They're putting their weaponsin there, and then they'd go in
and get their weapons and thenthey'd come out.

Speaker 4 (33:46):
Well, yeah, because the mosque are religious.
Yeah, we're not supposed to,you know, enter those grounds.

Speaker 8 (33:51):
So I said, hey, you know what we should do because
my mosque are religious andthey're sacred.
I said we should line all theway around that with Claymore
Mines to protect the mosque andthe Sarn Majors, like the
colonels, like you know.
I thought it was a good idea.

Speaker 6 (34:11):
What the fuck.

Speaker 8 (34:16):
Yeah, I mean the guys like us.

Speaker 4 (34:17):
that's a great idea, but yeah you go further up the
ladder, you know when yourcolonels and all those guys are
playing political chess fortheir future careers.

Speaker 3 (34:26):
You know, yep, exactly what it is.

Speaker 8 (34:29):
You know what did the general for their hundred first
.
Didn't he get?
Didn't he get relieved?
Because I think this one, theygot Saddam's two sons because he
shot a toe into a building, orsomething like that.

Speaker 2 (34:52):
Oh no, I know what it was.

Speaker 8 (34:54):
He, they were hiding in schools and one, and what
they were trying to do isthey're trying to teach the
Iraqi police on how to do theirmission and kept getting
rocketed from this policestation.
So basically, the general saidlook, I don't know if you

(35:16):
realize this, but we havecounter mortars, right.
We know where the rockets arecoming from, right.
Okay, so you're either going tostop it or we're going to call
them order, and when we do this,we're not going to just hit
where it comes from, we're goingto hit a grid square.
And that's kind of what theydid.

(35:40):
And that general got relieved.
But I thought it was a good idea.

Speaker 2 (35:46):
Well, well, because what did?
What did he get?

Speaker 8 (35:48):
really for, though, because they hit the grid,
square school.

Speaker 2 (35:51):
It was a school, okay .

Speaker 6 (35:53):
Because it's gonna say he didn't say it.

Speaker 8 (35:55):
It's in the city, so I mean.

Speaker 5 (35:57):
but yeah, so he may not have a little kid with a
backpack right up through ourserpentine up to our front gate,
right Yep.

Speaker 8 (36:07):
So, yeah, you may get another one where because I
worked in the talk I could geton and they'd have the drones
flying so I can watch it.
And there's a patchy was outdoing their patrols at night.
They said, hey, it's curfewright After dark I knew nobody

(36:29):
on the roads unless it'sAmerican forces.
So all of a sudden you see thisvan stop, they jump out, they
open up doors and the patchy youknow pilots saying hey, we got
a vehicle, three dismounts, theyopened the door.
I can't tell what that is.

(36:51):
And then I see a flash of light.
And then all of a sudden, onthe other side of us there's a.
He goes permission to engage.
That was a mortar.
And the guy, whoever he workswith, said Did you see the
mortar tube?
He goes no, I didn't see themortar to, but it was a mortar,

(37:12):
I know it was a mortar.
He's like he's like permission,doesn't need.
And he's like Okay.
So he followed it and then wentaround another little corner
and stopped and the same thing.
So he tried to get around andI'm watching this on with a
drone, because the drone's nowflying with him and he says it
again and they says denied.

(37:32):
And he's like Well, what kindof fucking shit is this?
I'm off.
And then the guy goes.
The guy's like please useproper way.

Speaker 3 (37:48):
Oh man.

Speaker 5 (37:50):
Then I seen another drone.
I'm surprised you just didn'tsay yeah, I saw the two.

Speaker 8 (37:53):
He shut up the second time around.

Speaker 5 (37:55):
Yeah, right, I mean I'm left of the verify or not
verify Cause.

Speaker 8 (38:00):
Then I'd seen another one, and I don't know if this
was on the internet or not, butit's funny.
I've seen a couple of videoslike that this was a cabin right
and outside.
They had a goal.
Oh yeah, I'm serious, it washard to.
The dude comes out, he's got aweapon slung over his back and

(38:22):
the cobra that's a pretty wickedbuggy.
Or the Apache Sorry, it's kindof saying my age there with the
cover.
The Apache is a pretty wickedbuggy and it kind of was setting
up there and and the pilots aretalking, they're like oh no, oh
no, yep, sure Not.
The dude went up to the goatand I'm not gonna say what he
did to the goat.

Speaker 5 (38:44):
And he's good to see you made it back Glad, oh man.

Speaker 3 (38:50):
So you know we're, we're.
Where did you serve at overthere in Iraq and Afghanistan or
Afghanistan?
Where were you?

Speaker 2 (39:00):
He's trying to set up a joke.

Speaker 3 (39:02):
No, I'm not, I'm being serious.
So what happened is Jen gotthat call on 9 11.
She said, charlie, it's time togo.
And Charlie like hey, hey, hey,hey, yep, that's what happened.
Hey, I did my, my two tours.
I did my, did my turn.

Speaker 8 (39:25):
Well, we just like the hammer on you.

Speaker 3 (39:27):
Oh, I know, I know I've been shot at, I've been
murdered.
I got my, my uh combat, uhcombat action badge.
So I got the, I got the.

Speaker 4 (39:43):
I got the 100% to prove it.
Is that what it is in the army?
It's just a badge, not a ribbon.

Speaker 8 (39:48):
And there's two.
There's a combat infantry badgeIf you're in love and serious,
and then there's if you're not11, if you're not 11 series,
then it's a, it's a combataction badge.

Speaker 2 (39:59):
So participation trophy no no that's national
defense.

Speaker 4 (40:04):
That's national defense.

Speaker 8 (40:06):
Yeah, I'll leave you a G Y yeah.

Speaker 2 (40:09):
True, that's true.
No, um, I don't.
I don't know anything abouty'all's badges, so good, quit
talking.

Speaker 5 (40:21):
Hey, don't, don't you guys get a ribbon or something
for grenades?

Speaker 4 (40:25):
Man, they get everything.
They do Basically training.

Speaker 5 (40:27):
If you throw a grenade, you get something, oh
yeah.

Speaker 3 (40:30):
I forgot about that.
I forgot about that.

Speaker 7 (40:35):
Yeah, we get a marksmanship.

Speaker 3 (40:36):
Well, it depends.
Marksmanship for grenades, andone for your name and one for
military.
There's a grenade um 60 gunner.

Speaker 8 (40:44):
Well, now it's 240.
But when I was there I justshowed my age again Grenade, 60
gunner pistol rifle.
And then there's even adriver's badge.
But the thing is, with thebadge let's say you're expert in
everything.
There's just a ladder thathangs off it, so you don't have

(41:05):
to wear five different.

Speaker 3 (41:08):
And as a matter of fact, if I'm not mistaken, uh,
used to be.

Speaker 8 (41:12):
You might not be able to.

Speaker 3 (41:12):
You can only put so many over there.
You know, like, if you're, ifyou're expert in rifle um
grenade, your marksmen and right, you know, I think you can only
have three or cross Threeacross.
You can put there.

Speaker 5 (41:28):
Yeah, so, so obviously you're going to put
your highest award.
Yeah, right, right.

Speaker 2 (41:35):
Now, marine Corps, you can do four across, can't
you?
But you, you have to likestagger them, don't you Cause
eventually, you know, are youtalking about the ribbons,
though?

Speaker 8 (41:44):
Yeah, we're talking about it as a badge.
It's like a metal badge Lookingup Joe, the Marine Corps has
them too.

Speaker 5 (41:51):
They got, uh, pistol and rifle, and then, if you're
on the shooting team, right,there's a special one, but you
got to be on the shooting teamto get that one.
So there's technically three,but typically everybody only has
one.
We don't have.
Some people have two of you,you have to have them.

Speaker 3 (42:09):
Yeah, so those are the badges down at the bottom.
Up top are the ribbons.
Yeah, which let me see that.

Speaker 4 (42:15):
Uh, can a Marine Corps only step in seal an
officer's?
That's why I get this.

Speaker 5 (42:19):
Yeah, I got it when I was at Fast Company.
Yeah, oh well, you were aspecial.

Speaker 3 (42:24):
Yeah, I don't remember.

Speaker 2 (42:25):
Yeah, navy we have the warfare devices, we don't
have badges, and that wasanother thing that I thought was
dumb as fuck.

Speaker 8 (42:36):
Uh, m 60 machine gun is a crew served weapon.
Correct, yep, it's not anindividual weapon, crew served
yeah.

Speaker 7 (42:44):
So for the longest time.

Speaker 8 (42:47):
I figured our 60 gunner.
What happens at 60?
Jammed or it, the firing trainbreaks or something it goes down
.
How does he defend himself,right he?

Speaker 4 (42:59):
should have.
He should have a sidearm.

Speaker 8 (43:01):
That's what I said and they said, nope, it's not on
your Tone, Because we were.
We were a scout platoon and wehad a driver with an M 16.
The TC had a 203 and then the60 gunner.
So the 60 gunner, we were theteam I would.
The TC was the spotter, thedriver was the AG and then the

(43:25):
gunner's the gunner Right, andI'm like well, what happens if
the Jeep gets blown?
I just did it again.
What happens if the vehiclegets blown up?
The Jeep, the Jeep.
What happens if the Jeep getsblown up and we have to start
humping?
That dude doesn't has, he hasnothing to nothing to protect
himself with.

Speaker 2 (43:45):
And they were like that.

Speaker 8 (43:46):
That's just the way it's set up and I'm like, well,
it's pretty fucking stupid, butwhat do we know, right?

Speaker 3 (43:52):
Roy, you were talking about when you had to make your
own armor for your Humvees whenyou were there.
You guys remember there was asoldier that said something to
the secretary of defense at thetime and I believe it was.
Who's that goofy guy?
Yeah, Rumpfell.
Rumpfell, there you go Rumpfelland kind of embarrassed him in

(44:17):
front of the world and, you know, western media, and that's when
we start getting flooded withup armored Humvees.

Speaker 4 (44:27):
Well, good, because we never should have been sent
over with anything less.

Speaker 3 (44:29):
Yeah, none at all yeah, what the fuck were they
thinking Exactly?

Speaker 5 (44:34):
What the fuck were they thinking?
When I was in guitar, we had agoddamn Humvee, broke the fan
blade.
Put it over here.
We only had two.
One of them are 19 on top andone of them are 50 cal on top.
Luckily we had a goddamn farmerfrom Missouri or some shit Went
out and found some scrap, fixedthe fan blades because the fan
blades are plastic.
He's caught enough tin metal,bolted the shit together to get

(44:58):
that thing up and running, so wehad it for the rest of the
mission.
You know, crazy, we didn't haveextra parts, we couldn't get
them Right, so we would havebeen down.
Yeah, we would have been down.
Yeah, there was a big timecruiser weapon, the unit that we
ripped, they left and we camein.

Speaker 8 (45:15):
They had a thing called a chuka plate and it was
something that the maintenanceshop made up.
Basically, what it was isbecause at that time we didn't
have the up arm or neither, butthey put like a rail, like a
half a picture frame or threequarters of a picture frame on
there Right.
They had metal and they justslid it down inside the thing,

(45:41):
so it was an extra padding forthe door Right and they called
it chuka plate because the dudethat it was named after was
killed by an EFP, because EFPsare totally different than the
roadside bombs.

Speaker 3 (45:57):
What is chuka?
That was his name.
Yeah, that was his name.

Speaker 8 (45:59):
Chuka.
All right, staff, sergeantChuka.
They're totally different thana roadside bomb and basically
it's a can you can take and theway they made them was a coffee
can, packed them with gun powderor gun powder, and then they
put metal on them which, if it'scurved in, it's concave right,

(46:24):
if it's curved out, it's concave.
Well, this is concave.
So then when they detonated, itshoots that and that concave,
and as it shoots, it comes fromhere, then it comes into like a
point and when it hits thevehicle it burns through the
plate and then it just throwsshit all the way through the

(46:45):
rest of the vehicle.
And the Iranians did it withcopper and then were the bad
motherfuckers.
Staff Sergeant.

Speaker 7 (46:53):
Chuka, yeah, dispers it.

Speaker 8 (46:56):
And that was our big thing was the EFPs?

Speaker 4 (47:00):
Yeah, when we kept finding roadside IEDs.
Once you get it stable andstuff to peel the dirt off and
get to look at it, you'd find somuch shrapnel, nails, angle
iron, whatever they could findthat they just threw on top of
it.
When it detonated it just sentso much shrapnel, Just mass

(47:23):
destruction.

Speaker 8 (47:24):
That was like allegedly I don't know if you, I
know it's common knowledge inVietnam they would take gasoline
drums, they'd put tide in it,or laundry to turn it, to
thicken it up, and then theywould wrap it with Bob wire or a

(47:48):
Constantina wire.
They just wrap it and then theywould put C4 on the backside,
run it back, detonate it with aclicker.

Speaker 3 (47:58):
Clicker.

Speaker 8 (47:59):
Yeah, clacker, clacker.
There you go, clacker, and oneof my platoon sergeant said it
was really cool he goes becausethey're easy to shoot when
they're on fire.
That's like what, oh man?

Speaker 7 (48:23):
So they smell bad, though, yeah, they smell bad,
but it just lets you know howold Tim is.

Speaker 3 (48:30):
He's got a platoon sergeant that was in Vietnam.

Speaker 8 (48:33):
Hell.
All my squad leaders were fromVietnam.

Speaker 3 (48:35):
Really.

Speaker 8 (48:36):
Shit.

Speaker 3 (48:38):
I actually.
Well, you went in what late 80s.

Speaker 5 (48:43):
Was it late 80s, early 90s.
It was late 80s Early.

Speaker 3 (48:46):
80s Early 80s.

Speaker 5 (48:47):
Oh yeah, we were all shooting green.
I think it's the same here,yeah.

Speaker 8 (48:50):
Well, I went in in 1983.

Speaker 3 (48:53):
Believe it or not, I was in Korea in fuck.
What year was I there?
2002?
I guess I went over there giveor take and my platoon sergeant
was fucking in Vietnam.
He was in Vietnam, so he gotout of Vietnam and then, right

(49:17):
before he was right at thecutoff age, like maybe 35 or
some- shit like that.

Speaker 8 (49:23):
Yeah, I think that's what was back then.
And then came back in and hewas probably 50 then.
So, and he was in.

Speaker 3 (49:31):
Vietnam.
He couldn't believe it.
Aiden Bird, that was his name.
Yeah, he showed me a picture ofhimself when he was in Vietnam.
There was he was one of thoseguys that were going over the
Laos, you know, going over theborder in the Laos.

Speaker 8 (49:45):
Okay, okay, let's stop.

Speaker 3 (49:48):
It wasn't allegedly, allegedly, allegedly.

Speaker 8 (49:52):
We had no US troops in Cambodia or Laos as Terry and
Sun Tso in Vietnam.
Okay, let's just get that clear.

Speaker 3 (50:02):
He had.
He had showed me a picture hehad long hair Long, yeah, I mean
, it was, you know, maybe downto his ear in a big bushy
mustache.
I was like damn, the fucking70s were way different Very
different back then.

Speaker 5 (50:20):
So do you imagine going you know that long without
being able to get a haircut?

Speaker 3 (50:25):
Yeah, yeah, that's what it was right.
Yeah, exactly, he didn't haveanything.
It's like you were just outthere.

Speaker 5 (50:29):
Yeah, it's not like you're going to go.
Oh, I put a pack ofParasympathies.

Speaker 8 (50:32):
Yeah, I put a couple of Parasympathies.
I put a couple ofParasympathies with me.

Speaker 6 (50:37):
I'll get rid of a pair of underwear for my
scissors, so you keep my redhair cut yeah.

Speaker 5 (50:43):
Oh man.

Speaker 3 (50:44):
Jesus Christ.
That's what I liked about whenI served with with special
operations those fuckers.

Speaker 8 (50:53):
This did what they wanted to do.

Speaker 3 (50:56):
Fucking fool beards and everything else.

Speaker 8 (50:58):
Well, they got to look like the population.

Speaker 3 (51:00):
Yeah, is that why you did it?
Yeah, so you're getting to looklike the Alla brothers.
Once they, once they, once theyinvade America, once they
invade America.

Speaker 8 (51:10):
You're safe.

Speaker 3 (51:10):
I'm safe.

Speaker 8 (51:12):
So you can go.

Speaker 3 (51:12):
Say Asala alaikum yeah.

Speaker 8 (51:15):
So you can go down to Dearborn and be just how to
hang out.

Speaker 3 (51:17):
I would be, I would be just fine in Dearborn,
absolutely.

Speaker 7 (51:21):
Get him a man dress and let's put that on the test.

Speaker 3 (51:23):
Yeah, I would.
I would be just fine.
I believe I would.

Speaker 2 (51:27):
All right.
So here's the dumb question,because I don't know this about
you Can you speak Arabic?
Motherfucker, this guy.
How much Arabic do you know?

Speaker 3 (51:36):
I know, I know none, I mean I know, which means that
you literally said Asala alaikum.

Speaker 5 (51:40):
Oh, oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (51:42):
So how the fuck am I supposed to know?

Speaker 3 (51:44):
That.
Well, I'm not Arabic.
I know that.

Speaker 2 (51:48):
I just didn't know, if you like, took a fucking
night class.

Speaker 8 (51:54):
You know I was in fucking Iraq for two and a half
years of my fucking life.

Speaker 3 (51:58):
You pick up the minimum.

Speaker 4 (52:02):
You're bound to pick up some stop.

Speaker 3 (52:04):
He knows what Asala alaikum means.

Speaker 7 (52:09):
Peace be on you, brother, peace be on you that in
the fucking While they come tolove.

Speaker 3 (52:13):
That's the fucking greeting.
Stop.
It's when you go.

Speaker 2 (52:19):
How do you say suck my cock?
You trying to go to DearbornNot exactly sure Bratton.

Speaker 6 (52:24):
Bratton wants to hear about the gold story.

Speaker 5 (52:28):
He cares about what really happened to that goat.

Speaker 8 (52:33):
Well, I don't know what happened to the goat, the
goat and the dude didn't end upwell.

Speaker 5 (52:38):
It's amazing they ended up in some pink mist.

Speaker 4 (52:41):
Yes, yes, pretty much Maybe the pilot was a little
bit jealous.
Maybe Fine getting none.

Speaker 7 (52:50):
No one's getting none there.
Yeah, yeah, damn.

Speaker 6 (52:54):
This went down real quick.

Speaker 2 (52:59):
You asked him if he spoke Arabic.

Speaker 5 (53:01):
See the rabbit hole.
Let's go back to how we weretalking about Iran.

Speaker 3 (53:11):
And they're about to get a, a nice taste of freedom,
nice bucket of freedom comingtheir way.
But there's not and I was, Iwas, I was reading an article or
listen to do a news story about.
There is not a country in thisworld, not even China, that can
invade America.
They don't have theinfrastructure, they just can't

(53:32):
do it.
Well, you gotta remember, likelike the United States is like
four.

Speaker 5 (53:39):
German is big.
Yeah, you know what I mean.
So if you land on the EastCoast, you're going to be in the
middle of the country, you knowwhat?

Speaker 6 (53:46):
I mean.

Speaker 5 (53:47):
So if you land on the East Coast, it'd be three
months by the time you get tothe other side, and that's if
you pretty much walked all theway through, yeah, and you're
talking about Americans where wehave like how many guns?

Speaker 8 (54:00):
I don't have a lot.

Speaker 5 (54:03):
It is literally like one per person.
They've said three hundred andeighty million, I think it's
more.

Speaker 3 (54:08):
I think it's more.
I think it's like two or threeguns for every person in the
world.

Speaker 2 (54:13):
They've said that we have.
We have it's Googling.
Yeah, yeah, it's Googling.

Speaker 5 (54:19):
It's right on par with our population of three
hundred and eighty six million.

Speaker 8 (54:22):
Well, you know, that's the reason we want to
give our guns away.

Speaker 7 (54:25):
Wisconsin's hunters alone is the A-Farcus army in
the world Just the hunters inWisconsin.

Speaker 8 (54:34):
Yeah, yeah, p-8.

Speaker 5 (54:34):
Well, it's the largest.
There was that old shame.
What the fuck.

Speaker 3 (54:38):
Imagine if throw Michigan in there Fuck.

Speaker 8 (54:42):
When Roy gets back, we'll ask him.
We'll ask him what's the eighthlargest army of the world?
Well, the other, he's got toget it wrong.

Speaker 2 (54:52):
The other thing to say is the fucking Japanese
admiral or some shit Right.
They were asked why they didn'tinvade America and he said
because there's, you know, a gunbehind, there's a barrel behind
every blade of grass.

Speaker 5 (55:07):
But that's actually.
I don't think that's reallywhat it is.
That was something somebody hadmade up, but it was something
I'd part with that.

Speaker 8 (55:13):
So we're talking about why America doesn't get
invaded.
You know what the eight Roy'sback.
By the way, you know what theeighth largest army in the world
is?

Speaker 4 (55:24):
Probably the American people.

Speaker 7 (55:27):
Close Wisconsin's hunters.

Speaker 5 (55:30):
Alone.

Speaker 7 (55:31):
Wisconsin's hunters.
I believe it.

Speaker 8 (55:33):
I don't believe it.
Can you imagine that?

Speaker 5 (55:38):
I mean what's Michigan's?

Speaker 7 (55:39):
Yeah, what's Michigan ?
It didn't say Right.

Speaker 4 (55:41):
But you figure, you know all the hunting in the
Northwest man.
You know because not one hunterdoesn't have just one weapon.
Right, they have a littlestockpile.

Speaker 7 (55:52):
Yeah, so if you take Pennsylvania, michigan, west
Virginia, it says it's thosefour states alone and compromise
the largest army in the world.

Speaker 2 (56:04):
Shit, just the hunters.

Speaker 8 (56:06):
Even with West Virginia still using muskets,
bang in their sisters.
You can hear them.

Speaker 6 (56:14):
I thought that was out of bounds.
That was out of bounds.
They're clicking spoons.

Speaker 8 (56:19):
That's how they keep in step.
I heard something the other daythat went down real fast.

Speaker 2 (56:29):
I heard something the other day of an enemy did make
it to you know, mainland America, that they'd somehow find
themselves with banjos playingin the background.
They probably would.
Well, the PTSD that would comefrom this.

Speaker 4 (56:46):
You know, as far as you know, approximately 82
million Americans own a firearm.
That's staggering.

Speaker 3 (56:55):
Yeah, but how many guns per person is there in
America?
That's why.

Speaker 5 (57:02):
Total, total amount of allegedly guns.
These are only going to be Imean, I'm sure they're estimates
, but like reported numbers.

Speaker 2 (57:14):
Right, okay, according to Wikipedia, that's
bullshit.

Speaker 8 (57:18):
We want to go somewhere else.

Speaker 2 (57:19):
Well, I mean, even if it is bullshit, it's so far.
The United States is so farahead.
Per 100 people, there are 120firearms in the United States
Pretty much the closest behindus is the Falkland Islands.

Speaker 8 (57:36):
Yeah, because they only got 40 people 40 people in
300 guns, and that's why,gentlemen, leave our guns alone.

Speaker 5 (57:49):
So there's probably close to 400 million guns in the
United States.
We're like at 386 or 387 as faras million people.
So you're.

Speaker 7 (57:59):
So civilian guns owned per 100 people.
The United States is the top ofthis list of 120.5.

Speaker 3 (58:06):
That's what you said.

Speaker 5 (58:06):
So, you're probably 400 million firearms.

Speaker 6 (58:10):
Yep.

Speaker 5 (58:10):
And out of that a solid half of the gun owners 80
million or whatever it actuallyis is probably pretty damn
proficient with them.

Speaker 7 (58:20):
Think about it.
This is just the ones beingreported.
Think of all the ones that arein the underground.

Speaker 4 (58:23):
That should stick the black market yeah.

Speaker 8 (58:26):
Fuck, yeah, we can take the game.
We can have the games goingthere would be the frontline.

Speaker 3 (58:31):
I can tell you this, that Russia has revealed
themselves with this Ukraine war.

Speaker 8 (58:35):
They're not very tough.

Speaker 3 (58:36):
How the fuck could you not just run over?

Speaker 8 (58:39):
Ukraine Pussy, pussy, pussy, that's what.

Speaker 3 (58:41):
Russia is.
I don't care how many guns andeverything we're giving them, I
mean the big red scare.
Come on.

Speaker 7 (58:50):
Yeah they should just mold them.
They should have molded themdown.

Speaker 8 (58:53):
They did the same thing in half a year.

Speaker 5 (58:55):
They've been going on for three years.

Speaker 4 (58:57):
That half-gam war was a 10-year war yeah.

Speaker 8 (59:00):
Finally, russia said fuck this, we're getting our ass
kicked Right.

Speaker 5 (59:05):
But you got to remember how long were we in the
Middle East?
20 years, yeah, at least.

Speaker 4 (59:09):
So the thing with us in the Middle East, though, is
we weren't just fighting like wewere in Iraq.
We weren't fighting Iraq.
They were coming from all overthe world, all these third world
countries, these littlefighting camps.
They were flying into thiscentralized location to put up
the fight against America.

Speaker 5 (59:25):
Well, we weren't trying to take over Iraq as
making it part of America.

Speaker 6 (59:29):
No Right.

Speaker 5 (59:30):
Russia's trying to recapture.
Ukraine as part of Russia.

Speaker 4 (59:33):
Right Part of the old USSR Right right.

Speaker 5 (59:35):
So they're trying to take all that back and keep it.
We were never there to keepIraq or Afghanistan or Syria or
whatever's coming next.

Speaker 6 (59:43):
We were nation-building.
That was never part of ourmission.

Speaker 5 (59:47):
So I bet, if Iraq or Afghanistan was part of our
mission, there would have been awhole different mission, sure.

Speaker 2 (59:52):
So well, this gets into.
We would have had.
This gets into foreign policy,and I know none of us are
experts about that but at whatpoint is there going to be teeth
to the international community?
Right, ukraine's been its ownfucking country for how many
decades?

Speaker 8 (01:00:10):
You know 96th, it was one of the Soviet Union.

Speaker 2 (01:00:13):
Yeah, so two decades and all of a sudden, Russia just
decides to go.

Speaker 4 (01:00:20):
Russia's slowly been creeping that way.

Speaker 5 (01:00:22):
Part of what it actually is, is that Ukraine was
going to become a NATO countryand that was the problem.
Any of those countries thatbroke off when they broke off
were not supposed to join NATO.
But Ukraine was going to joinNATO.
So no, you're not.

Speaker 8 (01:00:40):
You're right on my front door.

Speaker 5 (01:00:43):
That's not going to happen, and that was part of the
agreement when they broke offwas they were not going to
become.
They were going to become, sothat's why the war started.

Speaker 3 (01:00:51):
But then we had Latvia, lithuania, both
neighboring Russia, that areNATO countries.

Speaker 5 (01:01:01):
Well, I think that's the reason why because, okay, we
let you get away with it thistime, we let you get away with
it that time.
Now you're going to do it again.
No, you're not, you're right.
They had to put their foot down, or else it would have just
kept going around.
Right yeah, you know what I'msaying.

Speaker 3 (01:01:14):
But at the same time.

Speaker 5 (01:01:15):
That's what I heard.

Speaker 3 (01:01:15):
I don't know if that's what you're talking about
?
No, I think you're right, butin 2014,.

Speaker 5 (01:01:20):
You know that you took Kamea Right there, shit out
of the camera.
I have a whole bunch of peopletelling me I'm right.
Slowly through the years.

Speaker 4 (01:01:25):
If you look back now you see like he took Kamea down
below.
You know he was staging upnorth.
What Beloruz I mean?
He was slowly, you knowsnacking.

Speaker 2 (01:01:40):
I would think that if somebody tried to come to US, I
don't see how they could do itBecause first of all, our radars
would catch them in the ocean,way off.

Speaker 8 (01:01:51):
Because they'd have to come by boat Right Mexico,
they'd have to invade Mexico.

Speaker 5 (01:01:57):
You know they would not get another invading a
northern or southern country tous.

Speaker 8 (01:02:01):
So they'd have to come by boat and I, even Biden,
would be smart enough to get oursubmarines and our warships,
and it'd be more of a navalbattle, I think, than it would
be a land battle, because you'dsee the motherfuckers coming

(01:02:21):
from ever.
I mean we'd track them theminute they left port, you know.
And then don't let theiraircraft carriers get close
enough to use their planes.
And then you know, we got ourNavy Air Force, or our Navy
pilots, our Air Force.

Speaker 6 (01:02:36):
Marine pilots.

Speaker 8 (01:02:38):
I don't think they'd ever make it to the shore.

Speaker 5 (01:02:41):
I think the United States has done a nice job at
positioning militaryinstallations in key places,
Because they're not they're verywell in the areas where you're
easily invaded.
And they're not going to invadeCanada and come through.

(01:03:03):
You know the Dakotas orsomething right.

Speaker 8 (01:03:04):
Right.

Speaker 5 (01:03:06):
So there's only certain spots in their position,
far enough apart, but stillclose enough together with all
different factions.
Be it the Navy, be it the AirForce, be it the Army, you know,
because we need janitors Right,bop up the mass from those
Marines in their installations.
So I mean, it's good deterrent,because you can't just attack

(01:03:28):
one because another one's justdown the road and there's so
many of them you're not going tobe able to attack all at the
same time.
And you know, I just.
And then, once again, though,you have a lot of crazy fucking
guys like us who served Rightthat we missed the violence part
.
It's like, you know, when Iwe're at the bar, we're at the

(01:03:49):
post and dark players are goingat it, or you know a couple guys
, you know we're just like gether going, boys, give me a
reason.

Speaker 8 (01:03:55):
Give me a reason.

Speaker 5 (01:03:57):
I'm just going to see her.
Wait, but get her going.

Speaker 8 (01:03:59):
You know we're ready.

Speaker 5 (01:04:00):
You know we might get her ass kicked, but you know
what?
We miss that shit.

Speaker 3 (01:04:04):
Well, and that's the thing, Can you imagine?
Okay, let's talk about thatmovie, red Dawn, right oh?

Speaker 2 (01:04:11):
yeah, the original, the original, the good one.

Speaker 3 (01:04:13):
Yeah, fuck that.
That new one, One from 1984.
And the Russians.
Russians and Cubans descendedinto Colorado.
It was, I think it was.
Colorado is where that wasjumping in.
Could you fucking imagine thereality of what would happen if
that happened right now today?

(01:04:34):
Charlie, roy, tim, all of us,all of us, we'd make a road trip
to Colorado, hidle into thetrunks and a bike.

Speaker 5 (01:04:45):
We might yeah, we would look like the hijabs and
I'll be piled in the back ofpickup church going get her boys
, Can you?

Speaker 3 (01:04:52):
imagine what would happen We'd shout it up on the
way Charlie's gonna die.
That shit would come from allsides If an evading force came
into America like that and theyhave 300 million guns descending
on the state of fuckingColorado.

Speaker 5 (01:05:10):
We're gonna bring the guns you bring to go.

Speaker 2 (01:05:13):
All right, charlie's gonna be the one trying to
figure out how to put a fuckingmachine gun on the back of a
Harley.

Speaker 5 (01:05:20):
Hey, you don't want that welder down there.
We'll make her happen.
Put a bolt up a bracket.

Speaker 4 (01:05:25):
I got a buddy that lives down in Houston and you
know I was talking to him acouple weeks ago and he was
saying he's like you know, he'slike I've never been to war or
anything, but he's like you know, like I can only imagine what
it looks like.
He's like there's so many youknow hummers and military trucks
and stuff down on our highwaysheading, you know, to the
borders.

Speaker 6 (01:05:44):
Yeah, they're everywhere down here.

Speaker 4 (01:05:46):
Yeah, we got National Guards from all these.
I think there's like 13 statesor something that have sent
National Guard their help downto the borders.

Speaker 8 (01:05:54):
And to tell the feds fuck off, if you won't secure it
, we will yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:05:58):
You know they went down there to, you know, to
stand, stand with Texas.
Yeah, my buddy he was.
He was just like holy cow man.
He's like I've never seen somany.
He's like you know, if, if, if,I'd never seen more.

Speaker 8 (01:06:09):
he's like I think I would see something with all
these military and that's,that's a bad precedent to some
degree, because, yes, the guardis a state organization, but
they're also like a federal kindof organization because they
can be deployed by the state orby federal government, like the
federal, is the umbrella.
Yeah.
So now they're going down thereand basically they're saying,

(01:06:32):
hey, federal government, upyours right, but they get a lot
of funding from the federalgovernment.

Speaker 3 (01:06:39):
Right, so if if Joe Biden wanted to, he could
federalize them.
He could federalize thoseNational Guard troops and say
okay secure our border, you knowwell.
No, he can say you're no longerunder your state.
You're under my authority.

Speaker 7 (01:06:58):
And I'm telling you to go home.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:07:02):
And he hasn't done it Because he's not smart enough
to.
I don't think he's got peoplearound in that smart enough.

Speaker 8 (01:07:09):
Whole camel toe.

Speaker 5 (01:07:11):
I don't I don't really think he wants to fight
those troops, commanders oranybody else and fuck yourself
in a state or anyway.
But what, what, what are yougoing to do?
You know what I mean?
Because I think then you got amutiny on your hands and that's
probably a battle they don'twant to fight.

Speaker 2 (01:07:28):
Nope Right, because I think you know at some point
you got to realize that youfucked up Bad enough that you're
backed into a corner, and theymost definitely are backed into
a corner at this point.

Speaker 3 (01:07:40):
Well, they did try to pass some legislation about
this border crisis and it wasblocked.

Speaker 8 (01:07:51):
You blocked it.

Speaker 3 (01:07:52):
Republican Absolutely .
Why though?

Speaker 5 (01:07:56):
Probably because there was a whole bunch of junk
whole bunch of back door stuffslid in there no.

Speaker 4 (01:08:02):
You're not going to be in Ukraine and everywhere
else.

Speaker 3 (01:08:04):
I'll tell you why.
I'll tell you why BecauseDonald Trump told him not to.
Come on, it's true, this istrue.
Look it up, nerd, look it up.
He told him not to because,because he wants the chaos and
everything else to run againstBiden, he can say Biden's

(01:08:24):
fucking up this.

Speaker 8 (01:08:25):
Oh, kind of like they did with the COVID thing.

Speaker 3 (01:08:27):
Sure, what do you mean?
No, what are you talking?

Speaker 8 (01:08:32):
about Democrats did how?
How?
So?
Exactly Because, if I rememberright, Trump said when the
monkey flu came out, or whateverthe fuck you want to call it,
I'm calling the monkey flu.
The Huang Hu Chang-Wang,whatever, okay, which was a man
made in a lab that was probablygiven and set to fuck us up.

(01:08:52):
When he found that out, he saidno body from China can come
into the United States.
And everybody went oh my God,you're racist.

Speaker 7 (01:09:02):
Yeah right.

Speaker 8 (01:09:03):
You're racist.
And he said I don't give a fuck, they're not coming into the
States.
And then they came into theStates, and then what happened?
Three months later?

Speaker 3 (01:09:12):
Okay, but did they?
He said they're not coming, whydid?
Why did?
Why?
Were they able to come?
If he said, no, they can't come, why did they come?

Speaker 8 (01:09:23):
I don't know what I give.

Speaker 3 (01:09:25):
Well, I can tell you this COVID was probably already
in the states by that time.

Speaker 6 (01:09:30):
Oh yeah, yeah, well, I'm guessing it probably was?

Speaker 3 (01:09:34):
I can tell you this I was in Mexico.

Speaker 8 (01:09:36):
You brought it.

Speaker 3 (01:09:37):
I did and I'm telling you, everybody I was with got
fucking sick as a dog.
My kids, my wife, my mother, mybrothers, everybody got sick
Like fucking COVID, sick Likethree weeks like just definitely
ill.
Yeah, yeah, do you rememberthat it was right before COVID,
because I went to Miami in Marchof the COVID year.

(01:10:00):
Yeah, it was early March, theCOVID year we went to my family.

Speaker 4 (01:10:04):
We had a big trip planned to Disney right around.
It was the beginning of Marchyou know of then.
But I remember I was helping abuddy, you know, with a build or
do a build, and like there wasthree of us and one guy sick and
we all end up like justmassively sick and he went to
the doctor and they're like wedon't you know, we don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:10:26):
We don't know what's going on.

Speaker 4 (01:10:27):
We're not aware of what it was and then, so I think
it was already here.

Speaker 3 (01:10:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:10:31):
Slowly trickling through and by the time it made
it to the news it was, I mean,it was massive.

Speaker 5 (01:10:36):
Okay, so the border bill, we're talking about.
Yeah, yeah, it was WashingtonPost.
Got a news organization they'rekind of they're pretty liberal.

Speaker 2 (01:10:45):
I think they're pretty liberal.

Speaker 5 (01:10:46):
Okay, that's why I wanted to ask is this the?

Speaker 8 (01:10:49):
one where we say it's right.

Speaker 2 (01:10:51):
I'm not going to sit here and pull some right wing
you know whatever, and I don'treally believe what Fox News
says.
Oh, that's all good.

Speaker 5 (01:10:58):
I don't believe what CNN says.
So the Senate voted downsweeping national security and
border reform package onWednesday, with most Senate
Republicans banded together witha handful of Democrats to
reject the legislation.
The bill included more than $60billion in aid for Ukraine as a

(01:11:19):
fence off Russia and 14 billionto Israel for the war in Gaza,
and those were a top topnational security priority for
Biden.
So it wasn't just right.
They tried sliding some stuff,they, they.
It's what they all do.
They all throw a bunch of porkand some bullshit and then they

(01:11:42):
go.
Oh yeah, the government's notgoing to get paid and all these
people are going to have to quittheir jobs, right, but we're
going to study fucking purplepotatoes at $7 million this year
.
Have you ever had a purplepotato?

Speaker 3 (01:11:54):
They're fucking delicious Right.

Speaker 5 (01:11:55):
But do you think we really need to fuck?
We're already growing them.
Do we need to study them?
No, Okay.
Well, that's been $7 billionthis year to fucking study
purple potatoes $7 billion, thatsounds like a lot.
It was a $7 billion.
Charlie's becoming a nerdBecause I've heard these things.

Speaker 2 (01:12:14):
Now the nerd squad's rubbing off At a basic level.
At some point, I think weshould come together and agree
that you know what everybodyconsiders to be pork.
You know there's.
There's a fine line there'seither you put so much shit into
a bill that nobody knows what'sgoing on with it, or you have
everything down to itsindividual topic and they can't.

(01:12:37):
They don't have, they simplydon't have the time to vote on
everything, right.

Speaker 5 (01:12:40):
So you got to figure that out.
Well, what you could do is youcould.
You could put a bill togetherfor border security.
Then you could put a bill downfor your top national.
You could have had two votes.
You could have done Ukraine andyou could have done Israel as a
separate vote.
Pull it out of the bullshit.
Let's get the bullshit done.
And if you have your, littlepet projects.

Speaker 3 (01:13:02):
Okay, can I?
Can I tell you why that was alltogether in one bill?
It was Israel, ukraine and theborder.
Because the Republicans wantedthe border bill, they wanted
something about the border Right, they wanted more money, they
wanted to fix it, they wanted itto get fixed.

Speaker 5 (01:13:26):
And they even said what they were going to give to
the border wall was not enoughto solve the problem.

Speaker 3 (01:13:30):
And the Democrats wanted funding for Ukraine.
They all, they all agreed onIsrael.
We're going to give money toIsrael.

Speaker 8 (01:13:38):
I don't think we should give money to either one
of them.
Motherfuckers, it's your war tofight it.

Speaker 5 (01:13:42):
Okay, we spent $300,000 to study fucking purple
potatoes but still $300,000 ismight as well be seven million
to study a purple potato.
I'm sure we spent.
You said seven billion.

Speaker 3 (01:13:54):
I said seven million.
Oh, he did say billion.
We're going to rewind it.

Speaker 8 (01:13:58):
Yeah, no, no, give the progressive game flag.
What?

Speaker 5 (01:14:02):
But I mean, you know, we have homeless veterans in
the street.
No, I agree, we have peopleeverywhere and we're sending $70
billion overseas, when 70billion dollars a year?

Speaker 4 (01:14:13):
I'm not opposed to sending money, you know, to help
some of these foreign countries.
As far as you know, allies andstuff like that, I'm fair with
that.
But I mean hundreds of billionsof dollars like to one you know
small country multiple timesper fiscal year, by the way.

Speaker 2 (01:14:26):
So it adds up to a second.

Speaker 4 (01:14:28):
I'm not saying, you know, don't give them any money,
don't give, you know, iran anymoney or not Iran, but about
Israel, you know like I'm allabout, you know supporting and
helping, but I mean billions andbillions.
And we have homeless veteransand you know homeless alone.
We have, you know, poor andhungry in our country, and you
know go online.

Speaker 3 (01:14:48):
Here's, here's the way I see, it is that politics
nowadays are becoming more andmore global.
Sure, geopolitical, you knowthat was a big word, I know
right.

Speaker 8 (01:15:07):
For a little tape.
Writer.

Speaker 3 (01:15:09):
I shouldn't.
My ASVAP scores higher thanyours.
Got something.
Anyway, sure I'm positive Okay.
It doesn't get much higher thanmine.

Speaker 7 (01:15:19):
Okay, I believe you.

Speaker 3 (01:15:21):
I was a 122.
Nice.
So, anyways, if, if we don'ttake the reins we being America,
if we don't take the reins ofwhat's going on globally,
somebody else will.
You want to be Russia?
You want to be China?

Speaker 7 (01:15:41):
Iran.

Speaker 3 (01:15:42):
Iran.
It's either us or those fuckers, Either we fucking were.
Either we rule the world orthey rule the world.
And then you want, you do notwant the whole world depending
on China, depending on Russiafor the things that we could
give them as as America.

Speaker 8 (01:16:04):
Now.

Speaker 3 (01:16:05):
I get your sentiment.
I get it Like fuck those, fuckthe rest of the world, let's
take care of us.
I get it, I know right, but I'mlooking at it from a different
perspective.
I don't say that either Likewhat either either America rules
the world or somebody else does.
Who do you want we?

Speaker 8 (01:16:24):
already rule the world.
We're in every fucking conflictthat ever comes around Okay.
Because they can't take care ofthemselves, so they come after
us.

Speaker 3 (01:16:32):
We take the power of our dollar and we give it to a
Ukraine, we give it to a, a, anIsrael's, we give it to purple
potatoes.
And then now you owe ussomething, now you owe us right,
and that is Kuwait.
When what happened with DesertStorm in the early night we get

(01:16:55):
free oil from fucking Kuwait.

Speaker 8 (01:16:56):
We should be, we should be.

Speaker 3 (01:16:59):
We have bases there in Kuwait.
That's our jumping off pointfrom Kuwait to the rest of the
Middle East, whenever there's aconflict where we flying into
into Kuwait because we wentthere, we saved Sorry, we saved
their asses.
Right, we spent our tax dollarsto do that in our American

(01:17:19):
lives.
Now you owe us, so either werun the world or Russia wants a
world.
Who do you want?

Speaker 8 (01:17:28):
Russia can't run.

Speaker 3 (01:17:28):
Fucking Ukraine, that's true, I know Okay.
Or China Russia can't runRussia.
Or fucking India, who'sbecoming a superpower.

Speaker 5 (01:17:37):
So what I've seen as far as they into Ukraine.
There was a corruption scandal.
I would really have to gothrough it.
But from what it says, like, oh, we gave 133 billion in
emergency aid, Then it goes wegave 24 billion for defense.
We gave 24 billion for, youknow, cash, we gave 20, you know

(01:17:59):
.
So I don't know if that, allthat extra 24 billion, this 24
billion, that 30 billion, ifthat's part of that, 133.
Yeah that 133 number or not, orthat's the breakdown of the 133,
but we've given over 130billion dollars out of minimum.

Speaker 2 (01:18:17):
Right.

Speaker 5 (01:18:17):
Over there, all right .

Speaker 2 (01:18:19):
Can I throw something at that real quick.
They had it Go ahead.

Speaker 4 (01:18:22):
No, go ahead, you finish, I'm going to go over
here.
You know there was, there was aordeal that broke out with, you
know, the Ukrainian government.
You know embezzling like $40million.

Speaker 8 (01:18:32):
Well, they're Hunter and Joe's buddies.

Speaker 6 (01:18:34):
It's right, you know, yeah he's got to get his money
back.

Speaker 4 (01:18:37):
You know there's foreign interest.

Speaker 2 (01:18:44):
You know I was going to throw something into what
Charlie was saying because hewas throwing numbers out.
What do you say?
132 billion?

Speaker 8 (01:18:50):
133.

Speaker 2 (01:18:52):
Yeah, just to put that in perspective, the most
recent budget for the veteransaffairs was 119 billion, so
that's kind of how I'm going toscale things Like what could the
VA do with double its budget?

Speaker 5 (01:19:09):
Yeah, got you some more freedom, you know what I
mean.
And they've been doing reallygood work.

Speaker 2 (01:19:13):
I don't know if you guys have been listening, but
they've been doing really goodwork on homeless veterans.
I've heard they've been doingreally making progress.
So what could they do if theyfucking doubled their budget?

Speaker 5 (01:19:26):
Well, so this is what we were talking about.
Did you hear what I said?

Speaker 2 (01:19:29):
What you said 133 and I said 119 billion was the VA
budget.

Speaker 5 (01:19:35):
So we had Trey's wife in here right In Poland, and
she says about all the stuffthat they do in Poland their
military is tiny, they don'tgive a shit what happens, they
take care of themselves.
So imagine if we had all thismoney right, kids could go to
school for free, they can go tocollege.

(01:19:57):
People have houses, people geta basic wage all this shit
instead.

Speaker 6 (01:20:04):
And go over there for someone else, and those do you
create that 133 billion, likeyou say.

Speaker 3 (01:20:11):
But what is the consequence of not stopping
Russia?
Ask Poland, they're closer.
Ask Poland.
Yeah, I can tell you what theconsequence is.
We don't stop in Ukraine,they're going to go into fucking
Poland.
That's Poland's problem.
Well, here's the thing.
Here's the thing when we wereattacked on 9-11, the article 5

(01:20:35):
was invoked for the first timeever and everybody went to bat
for us, all the NATO countries.
Poland is a NATO country,ukraine is not.

Speaker 5 (01:20:45):
So how do they go to bat for us?
What do they do?
Who's that?
What did Poland?
Do they fucking?
Hey, good job guys, Go aheadand get it.

Speaker 3 (01:20:53):
No, they were in Iraq .
They were in Iraq, they were inAfghanistan.
Trust me, I know.
I was at FAB ECHO, which wasran by Polish.
Before I got there, we werestill digging up the vodka
bottles, and when I was there,we were digging up the vodka
bottles because they weredrinking it and they were
burying it in the sand overthere.

Speaker 5 (01:21:11):
So they just sent a bunch of dudes over there to
establish a base and probablyreally didn't do anything
besides something.
Probably not, but I mean Justto look like they did something?

Speaker 3 (01:21:21):
Probably not, but they did send people over there.
I'm sure there were some Polishpeople that died on our behalf.
No, I understand that.

Speaker 5 (01:21:28):
I'm not knocking them , no, I'm just saying I mean,
are they really out there doingmissions to support us?

Speaker 3 (01:21:34):
Probably not, and I get what you're saying.
I do get what you're saying,but there were countries that
were there with us England, forexample.

Speaker 4 (01:21:44):
So, as far as support , you can break that down.
How much money?
$133 billion.
You wouldn't think $100 billionshould be plenty enough for
them to stay armed.

Speaker 5 (01:22:00):
The problem is, the only thing that we can ever keep
accountability on is if we sendweapons and or equipment.
Sure, because we know the shitgot shipped there, we write a
check and we send it there.
You think they're going to sendus an actual receipt of what
they've spent money on?

Speaker 3 (01:22:16):
President's taken about no President's taken 5%.
The fucking prime minister'staken.
Yeah, Sure man, there's no wayto keep accountability.
Just think of it.

Speaker 5 (01:22:25):
We'll send you food and we're going to send you
equipment, but we ain't sendingyou any cash.
Bingo, cash is your problem.
Bingo, you know what I mean,because then we actually have
accountability of what weactually know what the value is.

Speaker 3 (01:22:37):
We know what the money is.
Now that you say that, why thefuck?
Where do we send them money?
Yeah, why would we not like?
Okay, what do you send us alist of what you need?
We'll fucking buy it and sendit over there, but why am I
going to give you money for what?

Speaker 4 (01:22:58):
Quit sending you know billions of dollars, so there's
a chance for the government toafford it, because they're in a
war.

Speaker 5 (01:23:01):
And now they can't afford to buy food for the
people and they can't afford todo that We'll fucking send you
food.
We'll just air drop your assfood.

Speaker 4 (01:23:08):
We'll send you pallets and sea rations and MRDs
.

Speaker 5 (01:23:11):
But there was actually people.

Speaker 4 (01:23:12):
I saw a Tic-Tac and I didn't know.
Good enough for our folks, goodenough for the American people
or the American military whenthey're fighting overseas?
It's good enough for you guyswhen you're at war.

Speaker 5 (01:23:19):
I'm just saying, like I saw Tic-Tac and of course I'm
not going to believe everythingI see on Tic-Tac unless I make
them, because I made them so Iknow that they're actually legit
.
But I saw a thing years agowhen the whole Ukraine thing
popped off.
Most people are making like$30,000 or $40,000 in their
money.
So there'll be $30,000 or$40,000 here Not to go to work.

(01:23:43):
Because they can't go to work,so we're paying them to stay
home.
So there's a war in the UnitedStates, canada, which send you a
check for $30,000 a year so youcould just not go to work.

Speaker 3 (01:23:56):
Because we're propping up their fucking
economy.
That's what we're doing.

Speaker 5 (01:23:58):
That's what we're doing with the cash, right, not
how much of it actually isreally getting out into the
hands of the people that need it.
Who knows?
Yeah, there's no way to trackthe cash.
Yeah, yeah, and I have noproblem sending tanks and guns
and bullets and bombs and food,medical supplies and gear.

Speaker 4 (01:24:21):
All that shit we left in Afghanistan.

Speaker 6 (01:24:22):
We could have sent to Ukraine, because I know,
because I know We'll drop allthe bombs you want, you can keep
accountability of it.

Speaker 5 (01:24:29):
The left of the United States, it went there.
I know the shit's there, right,you send cash.
Who the hell knows?
It's another $50 million yachtsitting in the Red Sea somewhere
that the fucking president hasyou know, or?

Speaker 4 (01:24:41):
whatever it's another Zelensky buying a mansion in
Florida.

Speaker 6 (01:24:45):

Speaker 4 (01:24:46):
Yeah, any problem.

Speaker 8 (01:24:49):
Yeah, it'd be another party that the Bidens go to
Well, whatever.

Speaker 3 (01:24:53):
You'd go if you had invited man it's a good thing.

Speaker 5 (01:24:55):
I made popcorn and now Joe's going to make a bunch
of noise trying to open hisfucking combos.

Speaker 6 (01:25:03):
Oh wait, combo you open it, go ahead.

Speaker 5 (01:25:07):
I just wanted to give you a hard time.

Speaker 2 (01:25:08):
We were all quietly eating popcorn and use the quiet
version.
There you go.

Speaker 5 (01:25:11):
Don't hurt yourself.
Don't hurt yourself.
There's seasoning and butterand all that.
How's it going?

Speaker 7 (01:25:17):
We got brains.

Speaker 2 (01:25:19):
So I just walked out and now I'm back.
So I heard you say, heardsomebody say why the fuck are we
sending money?

Speaker 3 (01:25:27):
I was saying I mean it just kind of hit me like all
right, why are we not sendingjust structure?

Speaker 2 (01:25:34):
We need to send a list of what is a tangible
object, yeah, and that you cankeep accountability.

Speaker 5 (01:25:39):
We know we ship 50 tanks.

Speaker 2 (01:25:41):
Because worst case scenario, if we send 50 tanks
and they get fucked, well hey,you know, 50 tanks are gone.
There's a lot better thanfucking 133 billion gone that we
have no accountability.

Speaker 3 (01:25:56):
How much does a tank cost?

Speaker 2 (01:25:57):
I don't know probably 20 million.

Speaker 5 (01:26:00):
So part of that article I read.
It showed like 56 billion in.
It was like military aid and ithad actually had a list.
Like 198 Humvees, 100 tanks,100 of this it was pretty
detailed, bro down.
I just don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:26:20):
I was just looking it up Yep 10 million bucks for an.

Speaker 5 (01:26:24):
Abrams tank.
So this thing, I looked upwhere it said that 133 and that
had all the different breakdownsI don't know if there were
additions to that because itsaid you know we're sending 60
billion in cash and blah, blah,blah, blah, blah, blah.

Speaker 3 (01:26:38):
Right.

Speaker 5 (01:26:40):
So, but it actually had to actually kind of had a
breakdown of what it was, but itwas pretty cash heavy.

Speaker 3 (01:26:45):
So well, what we figured out is they're trying to
we're trying to prop up theireconomy, so we're paying their
people to not work because theycan't work, because there's a
fucking war on them.
I saw a TikTok that showed thatright.

Speaker 5 (01:26:58):
It's like you know, because you wrecked in the
beginning, you'd see theseTikToks come off from Russian
soldiers or Ukrainian soldiersand shit, you know, and the guy
was like yep, I'm just sittingat home and you guys are paying
me not to go to work.
You know, I'm making 30, 30,000or 40,000, whatever Ukrainian
dollars a month, no year.
Oh, okay, but still, I mean yougot.

Speaker 4 (01:27:21):
That's more salaries than you got.
A fraction of Americans?

Speaker 5 (01:27:24):
Oh, you got right, you know you got.
You got people in America,right?
If you're a hundred percentdisability, what are you making?
40,000 a year, 46,000.
Okay, 46,000.
So if you can make $40,000 aset of home and I'm pretty sure
you probably still working,probably still doing something
to make some dollars on the side, right, or whatever I get it.

(01:27:44):
Yeah, but did you imagine?
So you said at home, and yourwife said at home, and you both
got 40 grand 80 grand or 30grand, so you're 60 or whatever.
It is right, I mean, I don'teven know if that thing was true
or not, right yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:27:56):
Yeah, right, I mean theoretically yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:28:00):
Something you just said on there and said something
.

Speaker 2 (01:28:03):
I mean because didn't Abraham Lincoln say that you
can believe everything inFacebook?

Speaker 8 (01:28:08):
I believe it was, and he said the best way to get air
conditioning is it's bullet tothe brain.

Speaker 5 (01:28:20):
The air passes right through.
Cool your right down.
I mean you go cold like I guessin a day.

Speaker 3 (01:28:28):
Probably less than that.

Speaker 5 (01:28:29):
Pretty quick, best sleep you'll ever have.

Speaker 6 (01:28:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:28:33):
Nothing can wake you.
Nothing can wake you up.

Speaker 3 (01:28:37):
How cold.
Now, speaking of PresidentAbraham Lincoln, we segue into
our discussion about baserenaming.
That's what we want to talkabout tonight.

Speaker 2 (01:29:00):
So I have a list of the bases.
I'm going to just name them offreal quick.

Speaker 5 (01:29:06):
And let me guess they're going to be all army
bases, does it say?

Speaker 2 (01:29:09):
Yeah, yeah, because they're all forts.
What is?

Speaker 6 (01:29:13):
a marine.

Speaker 3 (01:29:16):
Marine is a base.

Speaker 5 (01:29:17):
We just call them bases, yeah which is the same as
in the name of the Air Force.

Speaker 8 (01:29:23):
Probably the same way I thought they were camp, base
Camp, help Camp.

Speaker 5 (01:29:30):
Camp, camp, camp, camp, camp, camp, camp, camp,
camp, camp, camp Camp.
Camp.

Speaker 6 (01:29:44):
Yes, sir.

Speaker 8 (01:29:46):
OK, so the other forces are the same which I'll
say they are war.

Speaker 2 (01:29:49):
We're obviously on base, yeah Shoot.
So yeah, army installationsthat are going to be changing
their name.
Fort Barfoot is going, excuseme, Fort Pickett is going to be
called Fort Barfoot.
It's the Fort Pickett.

Speaker 6 (01:30:04):
Virginia.

Speaker 2 (01:30:05):
Virginia, ok.
Fort Navasel, navasel,nav-a-who, n-o-v-o-s-e-l.

Speaker 4 (01:30:16):
Navasel, navasel.

Speaker 2 (01:30:17):
Navasel, fort Moore.
Our current name is going toAlright.
Current name.

Speaker 3 (01:30:25):
Fort Benning, there it is.
Your current name is FortBenning too.
Yep, fort Moore, yep, but wetalk about that Real quick, fort
Moore.

Speaker 2 (01:30:35):
That's named after Howmore.
We were soldiers Howmore.

Speaker 5 (01:30:38):
We were soldiers.
Army Lieutenant General, giveit up.

Speaker 3 (01:30:42):
Give it up to Howmore Yep, who the fuck is Benning?
I don't even know.
You're the.

Speaker 5 (01:30:49):
Confederate General, I'm sure.
Yeah, absolutely, you had to be.
I mean, that's why they'rechanging it.

Speaker 8 (01:30:53):
Yep, Uh, who Well somebody's pussy's hurt all the
time.

Speaker 2 (01:31:01):
Nurt is looking it up , but Fort Bragg is going to be
called Fort Liberty.

Speaker 7 (01:31:08):
I need a badge with it it says that.
On it it says Nurt for my best.

Speaker 2 (01:31:14):
Sorry about the nerd's combos bag causing all
the crinkles in the microphone.
Just make sure there's.

Speaker 5 (01:31:19):
But you can eat the whole bag almost no.
Are you going to eat it becauseUncle will get you something to
pour in it?

Speaker 2 (01:31:24):
Oh, sure so anyway, I appreciate it what I say.
Fort Bragg is going to be FortLiberty, fort Gordon is going to
Fort Eisenhower, fort AP Hillis going to Fort Walker.
That's over.
Jr Fort Hood is being calledFort Cavizos, cavazos, cavazos.

Speaker 8 (01:31:45):
Max Mack.

Speaker 2 (01:31:47):
Fort Lee is going to Fort Greg Adams and Fort Polk is
going to Fort Johnson.
Who's Greg Adams Johnson?

Speaker 5 (01:31:57):
I think that's a that's a basketball star for the
so.

Speaker 2 (01:32:00):
Lieutenant.

Speaker 4 (01:32:01):
General Arthur Gregg and Lieutenant Colonel Charity
Adams.
While Gregg played a key rolein allowing blacks into the army
, Lieutenant Colonel Adamsblazed trails during World War
II to become one of the highestranking female soldiers in World
War II.
So it's a common.

Speaker 5 (01:32:19):
Anybody here watch South Park.

Speaker 8 (01:32:22):
I guess we're talking about us.

Speaker 5 (01:32:23):
Do you ever remember there was a South Park episode
where they go to like war andyou have like the white guys and
the black guys and they're likewe're gonna have the black guys
go first, or whatever?
They're like what the hell isit called Operation Get Behind
Darkie?

Speaker 2 (01:32:39):
Is there like fighting?

Speaker 5 (01:32:39):
the aliens or something.
And that chef, he was like,wait a minute, something's wrong
here.
I just remember.
It was like the most that showis so out of bounds you know
shit, but it's funny.
I mean, of course we laughabout it.
It's not, but it is, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:33:03):
But, shows like that survived like fucking.
Family Guy isn't as bad, butFamily Guy can be pretty dark
sometimes.

Speaker 3 (01:33:14):
I mean all those not as bad as South Park.
South Park is the king of thatshit.
Oh yeah, that was extreme.

Speaker 4 (01:33:21):
South Park became before everything else, didn't
it?

Speaker 2 (01:33:25):
That was before Family Guy.

Speaker 5 (01:33:27):
Simpsons were kind of that way.
I mean, they were the ones thatreally kind of started pushing
the envelope with talking to thekids and the kids doing stuff.

Speaker 6 (01:33:36):
Right, you know that yeah that kind of stuff.

Speaker 5 (01:33:38):
Simpsons started and then.

Speaker 3 (01:33:40):
South Park.
I just progressively got worse.
South Park is still going.
I remember it started in 1997when I joined the army.
That's when South Park started.
It is still fucking going.

Speaker 5 (01:33:53):
Well, Simpsons ran like 30 years or something.

Speaker 3 (01:33:56):
They're still going, they're still making new
episodes.

Speaker 7 (01:33:59):
Honestly, though, I remember like a time fucking
machine, or something.

Speaker 2 (01:34:05):
Well, Simpsons has fucking predicted the future.
How many times now?

Speaker 5 (01:34:08):
Yeah, who's that?
Leslie Groening, or whateverhis name is, that produces it,
or whatever they think he's.

Speaker 3 (01:34:13):
Matt Groening.

Speaker 5 (01:34:15):
Is that what it is?
Yeah, he's a time traveler orsome shit, because he had, like
Trump, coming down the escalator, he's had 9-11 and had all
these crazy predictions of shithappening.
So pretty crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:34:29):
How you guys feeling about these name changes
Bullshit.

Speaker 2 (01:34:32):
I think it's stupid.
I mean, I understand whythey're doing it, but it doesn't
change the fact that I thinkit's fucking stupid.

Speaker 8 (01:34:38):
You can't erase history.

Speaker 6 (01:34:40):
It is what it is.

Speaker 5 (01:34:41):
The problem is if you erase history, it will
definitely repeat itself.
Absolutely Right.
So if you get, if you wipe thisoff the planet, right, 50 years
from now, we're all going to begone and kids being born now
will have no idea who thesepeople are.
They're going to well, butthey're going to erase all these
shit out of history, Bucks.

(01:35:02):
And then the cycle will startover again.

Speaker 8 (01:35:06):
Just as the way.

Speaker 5 (01:35:06):
it's always worked that way, you know so.
But yeah, so we've had somepretty cool, pretty cool stuff
going on at the post lately.
You know there's a still flyingbreakfast or being made.
We got breakfast on Sunday, are?

Speaker 3 (01:35:25):
we changing the subject.
I feel like you're changing thesubject right now.
No, I want to get into thisabout.
Tim really wants to get intothis.
I know to get into this.
He's upset.

Speaker 8 (01:35:37):
Tim's upset because people are going to say I'm an
old, fat white guy, Okay wellthey're right.

Speaker 6 (01:35:44):
All that.

Speaker 8 (01:35:45):
All of that Okay, and I'm okay with that.
Okay, but the Confederatesoldiers were still United
States soldiers, were they?
Yes, that's why they're buriedof.
Congress passed a bill back inthe day and you guys can
probably look that up.
That's why they're buriedthere's.

(01:36:07):
They're buried in ArlingtonNational Cemetery.
If I know when they passed that, and it wasn't like in 1882
either it was.
It was like in the 20th century, like so 1940 something yeah
something right in there, okay,so there's.
there's still soldiers.
What is it 1900.

(01:36:27):
They're still soldiers.
They fought for a cause, theirbelief.

Speaker 2 (01:36:32):
So their way of life.
So 40 years after it happened,they basically said let's let
bygones be bygones and moveforward Right.

Speaker 8 (01:36:44):
Our Arlington National Cemetery was.
The land was donated by RobertE Lee's wife, so we can go down
there and tear that fucker down.

Speaker 2 (01:36:53):
Was it donated?
I think, we took it first,didn't we?
Seriously, I think that's it.

Speaker 8 (01:37:02):
I don't know, but that's who owned the land.

Speaker 3 (01:37:05):
Yeah, but was it, when you say it was donated,
they sold it?
Oh they did Okay.

Speaker 5 (01:37:09):
They sold it.
Yeah, sold it.
Huh, when 1900?
1882.
For $150,000.
Yeah, that's a lot of moneythen.
That'd be like 30 million now.
I bet ya Something ridiculous,george Washington.
I mean you were making likefour cents an hour back then.

Speaker 8 (01:37:29):
Yeah, you know George Washington.
He had slaves.
Why aren't we tearing down theWashington fucking monument?
Four?

Speaker 2 (01:37:36):
million.
Right, yeah, that's whathappened Most of our first few
presidents all had slavesBecause it was a sign of the
time.

Speaker 8 (01:37:43):
It was just the way it was and I'm gonna throw this
out there, but I'm not gonna sayAfrican-American, because I
don't see black there you go,thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:37:58):
Okay, for those of you that don't know, I am a
black man, but my cousin likesto call me racially ambiguous.
If you saw me, I could beanything.
When girls used to ask me whatI was, I used to ask them what
do you want me to be?

Speaker 4 (01:38:16):
Even though he's black, it's still debatable if
he's the sexiest man in here,that's right, roy is he's.

Speaker 3 (01:38:22):
He's coming alive.
He's coming alive.

Speaker 6 (01:38:24):
He's coming alive for my money no.

Speaker 5 (01:38:27):
And obviously around the race thing, right, because a
lot of us in this room we grewup in mid-Michigan, right?
I remember in high school ormiddle school, grade school,
five or six black students,right, Maybe, maybe my whole 12

(01:38:50):
years.

Speaker 3 (01:38:51):
Nine years, my whole 12 years, this guy in Chippews.
He had a lot of work, did you?

Speaker 5 (01:38:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:38:57):
Chippews.

Speaker 5 (01:38:57):
Half of.
Macasta, here in Mount Pleasant, you can count them on one hand
.

Speaker 4 (01:39:01):
Yeah, you can count them on one hand Probably count
them on one hand.

Speaker 6 (01:39:06):
Yeah, probably could Like for 12 years.

Speaker 5 (01:39:09):
So you know, for me it was definitely an eye-opening
experience when I Joined theMilitia.
Yeah, when I joined the Marinesand I hit bouquet for the first
time and we had Hispanics, wehad Latins, we had blacks,
asians, asians, we had Pericansyeah, we had all sorts man, and

(01:39:32):
you really realize how Americais a melting pot from all these
different nations and countriesand how each one betters another
one.
Because my friends that wereHispanics, andy Garcia, was just
down here a couple weeks agoand talking with us about stuff.
One of the best dudes ever, man, that's my kid's named after

(01:39:55):
him.
Right, he took me in like I washis fricking brother.
We all do that sitting aroundthe table.
We're around each other a lot,you know.
But I mean it's been 25 yearsI've been out and we still talk
all the time.
You know what I mean, so it'sreally cool to see.
You know how, coming from smalltown America, you know we have

(01:40:19):
friends from everywhere and wemake the jokes and we pick on
people.
You know it's like.
You know white, black peopledon't go on cruises.

Speaker 2 (01:40:26):
Yeah, we already got fooled.

Speaker 8 (01:40:27):
Once you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:40:29):
So I mean, I mean we make, we make jokes Don't get us
kicked off this fuckingplatform, oh we make.

Speaker 5 (01:40:33):
We make the jokes, we laugh at it.
But you know you tell the whiteboy jokes whatever.
It's all for fun, right?
I mean, nothing's ever met outof malicious intent.
We all do it just like.
You know you want to go, youknow that's what.
I think that wasn't a joke,though this fucking counts.

Speaker 3 (01:40:48):
Oh man Hilarious, Take my combos again.

Speaker 5 (01:40:55):
Joe.

Speaker 7 (01:40:55):
I forgot you were funny.

Speaker 8 (01:41:00):
So, my point is not just black people were enslaved.
The Chinese were, the Japanesewere.
What happened to Japaneseduring World War II?

Speaker 5 (01:41:09):
In turn, they camped Irish Yep, I was going to say my
heritage enslaved in Jamaica.
Yeah, they literally put myancestors on the boat and
floated them to Jamaica.
So I get it, it's all happened.

Speaker 8 (01:41:26):
But yeah, we only seem to.
We only seem to hit one portionof all them, people that are
enslaved.
You know, my my thing wasalways bad when the president of
the United States become a is ablack man and he's president of
the United States, I think yourrace cards done especially two

(01:41:48):
terms and overwhelmingly.
Two terms, yeah, popularpresident, yeah, yeah, I think
now it's time for us to quit.

Speaker 3 (01:41:57):
I think I think we can.
We can all say unequivocallythat Barack Obama was probably
the best president ever in theUnited States of America.
Right, right, right, no, no,what, oh, come on, he was a
great president.
I can tell you that.

Speaker 5 (01:42:16):
Yeah, I, I never once had, and so with me I vote on a
man every year.
I don't care what affiliation.

Speaker 3 (01:42:25):
I do the same thing for the Barack Obama.
I did, oh my God.

Speaker 2 (01:42:30):
You know I voted for him on his first one.

Speaker 5 (01:42:32):
I voted for him twice and I will tell you this I
don't, ever, no matter.
I don't care if it's at thecity commission level, the
county commission, I don't carethe fucking school board, I
don't care what political, andif some are political, some are
not right, some are nonpartisanballots, but I don't care what
side of the aisle you belong on,I really don't care.
Tell me what you actuallybelieve and if you get the seat,

(01:42:55):
you better do the things thatyou said, because if you don't,
next time you come up you'redone.
Right, I gave you a shot, youknow.
You had me believing and youfucked me over.
You're done.
Now I get it.
If you run into a stone walland you know what I mean, I mean
there's other things that gointo it because, yeah, you could
run on a big grandstand thingand nothing gets accomplished,

(01:43:16):
because politics are politicsbecause, yeah, because Congress
won't do this or they won't dothat, you know.
So I mean, I get there's otherthings at play, but I really
don't care, right?

Speaker 4 (01:43:27):
But you know, even as I have two Trump flags hanging
at the shop, but I'm just sayingthis red, you know this red
versus blue, you know politicalordeal and he's an end.

Speaker 3 (01:43:36):
It does, it does Absolutely.

Speaker 4 (01:43:40):
It's just a standing ground, you know, for whichever
side you know to promote theirviews Views, I mean once they
start scaling up that ladder,you know they don't abide by
those.

Speaker 7 (01:43:57):
Yeah, they don't give a fuck about us.

Speaker 4 (01:43:59):
No, you know so you know, when you get to those
levels, I don't care if you'rered, blue, like because it
doesn't matter anymore.
I don't believe it.

Speaker 3 (01:44:08):
I'll let you hear about those levels, those levels
like a power You're talkingabout, president.

Speaker 5 (01:44:13):
Yeah, you're going to go through your state seven
right.
Or your house, but even thenyou're going to go to the
national and then you're goingto be working your way up the
ladder.

Speaker 4 (01:44:20):
You even see it at the state you know levels.
I mean they're you know yourcity levels and stuff like our.
You know out in front of you,know everybody as much as like
your state levels and ofgovernment stuff.
But I mean, I'm pretty sure youknow it's even happening at
your local, you know month offuckers, come up and says your

(01:44:42):
grass is too tall, you know.

Speaker 7 (01:44:44):
I mean like my mother .

Speaker 8 (01:44:45):
I got more.

Speaker 3 (01:44:48):
I just want to go go back to okay, let's do it.

Speaker 8 (01:44:51):
Go back to what you said about it's on, listen, the
11 clerk against 11 Bravo thatwe've elected a black president.

Speaker 3 (01:45:02):
Racism is over.

Speaker 8 (01:45:03):
That's it Done.
No, I don't mean that, I don't.
I do not mean that.
I mean he showed every blackperson in the country, everybody
in the world, that you can doanything you fucking want to do
if you just pull your fuckingpants up and do it.
You pull your fucking pants upand you quit being a gangbanger.
And I'm not saying just blackpeople are gangbangers, because

(01:45:26):
there's white gangbangers too.
Okay, you just quit being adouchebag, right, and don't woe
on me.
Oh, my God, they're keeping medown.
The only people that keep youdown is you, right, right, and
that's what I'm saying.
I'm saying that I didn't likethe guy.
I didn't think he did a bad job, right, but did I vote for him?
Absolutely not.

(01:45:46):
And number one reason isbecause he had Hillary as his
secretary.

Speaker 5 (01:45:51):
I know, charlie, I'm fine as Metta man.

Speaker 8 (01:45:55):
But the biggest thing for me with and I'm going to
throw some, I'll give him somerespect, president Obama is he
had Hillary Clinton, who's themost crooked motherfucker.
She's probably killed morepeople in the United States Army
, right?
Okay, she killed people inBenghazi and lied to fucking

(01:46:15):
about it, and he didn't take herdown.
I can tell you this.

Speaker 3 (01:46:20):
Once you and this is just my thought once you get to
those levels of power, you arecorruptible, oh, absolutely
Corrupted or corruptible.

Speaker 5 (01:46:32):
So yeah, so explain to me how.

Speaker 3 (01:46:35):
So he was told.
He was told by his handlers orwhoever.
You will put Hillary Clinton inthis position.

Speaker 8 (01:46:44):
Yeah, and Hillary probably turned around.
If you do anything to me, I'llkill you, like I have my
bodyguard and all these othermotherfuckers.

Speaker 4 (01:46:50):
And that's just it.
Even though they're thepresident behind his power in
our country.
They're still controllable,they're still a public.

Speaker 5 (01:46:56):
Yeah, yeah, just a face, and it's always been that
way, right, so you don't becomea senator, congressman at the
national level, president, vicepresident, anything.
You take a position that youget paid $150,000 a year,
$220,000 or whatever it is.
If you're the president and youretire with $50 million in the

(01:47:19):
bank, right, how?
Is that you just can't.

Speaker 2 (01:47:23):
Bad math, yeah.
Speaking engagements andwriting a book Sure yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:47:29):
Come visit us for 15 minutes and we're going to pay
you $6 million.
Right, that's not my companybuying what we want to sell you
Right Now.
If you come speak to us, I'mgoing to pay you a ridiculous
amount of money.
There's always a way aroundthings.
You know it's unfortunate,unfair to the average American,

(01:47:50):
because ultimately that's whatthey do.
There's actually a guy out thereand that's all he does is he
day trades and he shifts hismoney around in the stock market
based on what Congress is doing.
So every day.
He'll know.
You know where Tim Ier to be,just sold 100 shares of Delta

(01:48:11):
and he bought into this orwhatever.
So guess what he does.
He makes the appropriate amountof shares and he might not have
a thousand shares, he mighthave 10.
So if he's looted, he's dumping20% and he's done with 20% of
his and he's buying 20% of thenext one, right, and he's like.
I tell you, I don't even have afucking job.
All I do is trade what they'retrading and when they sell, I
sell and I'm making a shit tonof money, and all these people

(01:48:33):
sit in these because they allsit in these committees.

Speaker 7 (01:48:37):
They know what's going on.

Speaker 5 (01:48:38):
So they know, hey, we're going to be giving a whole
bunch of money to study afucking purple potato.

Speaker 6 (01:48:42):
Guess what I'm going to fucking get into I'm going to
get into purple potatoes.

Speaker 5 (01:48:46):
So they're biased, you know.
So that's that's all he does.
Now, it's crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:48:52):
Number one.
What the fuck is that?
You know like?
Well, it's actually a websiteyou can go to and watch it.

Speaker 6 (01:48:58):
They've legalized it for free.

Speaker 4 (01:49:00):
Yeah, and here's all the trades being made by Senate
Congress, like you can, just so.

Speaker 3 (01:49:05):
Congress, Congress, who makes and forms?
The fucking laws of thiscountry made it legal for them
to do insider trading.
But that's exactly what they'redoing, If Tim Arnaby did it, if
Tim got some insiderinformation.

Speaker 5 (01:49:24):
I'd be playing hide the slummy with Bubba and Spike
Exactly, exactly.
So they fucking got it.
That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (01:49:35):
Congress has legalized has linked us.

Speaker 4 (01:49:37):
No fat white guy.

Speaker 3 (01:49:44):
Congress has legalized insider trading for
themselves.
They've legalized bribery forthemselves.
So all those the Supreme Courthas backed them up and said that
corporations are people.
Corporations are people.
This is a Charlie.

(01:50:05):
You're looking at me likeunbelievable.
No, I'm looking at you like Ialready know all their shit.
Yeah, they're fucking.
They legalize this shit so thatthe money just keeps flowing
into their fucking pocket.

Speaker 8 (01:50:19):
So I got a question Okay, and I think we discussed
this too how long can apresident serve?
Eight years, total Eight years,and why are these motherfuckers
able to serve for fucking 50years?
No, no, no, you said president,no.

Speaker 5 (01:50:35):
I'm not.

Speaker 2 (01:50:36):
Congress is unlimited , yeah, but why there's no term
limit?
Why?

Speaker 5 (01:50:40):
Because they have to vote on their own term limits.

Speaker 8 (01:50:42):
Exactly how wrong is that so?

Speaker 5 (01:50:43):
let me ask you a question how many years can you
serve as post commander Until?

Speaker 8 (01:50:47):
somebody else.

Speaker 5 (01:50:48):
So then why don't we make a bylaw that says a post
commander can only serve oneyear?

Speaker 2 (01:50:54):
Shoot us in the foot.

Speaker 6 (01:50:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:50:56):
So, why the fuck would they want to shoot
themselves in the foot?
Do you want to vote yourselfout of your own job?
You want to say, hey when I hey, no matter how good I'm doing
or how bad I'm doing, I've gotto.
I agree with that, but that'swhy they're not going to do it.

Speaker 8 (01:51:08):
Well, they're not going to do it because it ends
their job.
You're saying are you like?
You're saying they're not goingto do it because they've got
their hands into everything andthey're making money, money,
money, but they have to bere-voted in every time, though.

Speaker 3 (01:51:20):
No, no, yeah, no, they got to.
They got to get voted in againafter they have to be in,
whatever yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:51:27):
So it'd be a but there's no like saying, hey, you
can only serve in Congress for12 years or the Senate for 12
years.

Speaker 8 (01:51:32):
We, the people, are lazy motherfuckers because
probably out of how many billionpeople we got, but we're too
naive and go with 330 millionand we don't even and we don't
even fucking.
A quarter of us, 10% of us,don't even fucking vote.

Speaker 5 (01:51:48):
They've.
So oh, I'd say, at least I'dsay damn, they're half yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:51:53):
They throw an ad on TV and, depending on you know
what political side you follow,you're just like, okay, yeah, I
believe it.

Speaker 5 (01:51:59):
You don't, you know we don't Nobody researched, so
lazy.

Speaker 3 (01:52:03):
Nobody goes and does a research and sees it.
It's true or not, confirmationbias is what they call it.
I mean, you look at Feinsteinoh geez, that bitch died, right
yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:52:13):
Oh really.

Speaker 8 (01:52:14):
I think she did.
She did die, all right.
I missed her few.
How long was she a fuckingsenator?
For a hundred years.
What does she?

Speaker 3 (01:52:25):
know she's fucking Tim, probably, since you were a
fucking baby Probably why he wasthere.

Speaker 5 (01:52:30):
He was in the jeeps back then he was elected.

Speaker 8 (01:52:37):
It's like and this is another thing I hate Okay, what
do you think this country wouldbe like if they hired, if they
elected a 42 year old president?
I think you'd be running a lotbetter because you're with the
times.
The these motherfuckers thatare a hundred years old.

(01:52:59):
They don't have any clue?

Speaker 4 (01:53:00):
Not really, though, because again, the president is
controlled, you know, by thelower level candidates.

Speaker 8 (01:53:06):
How old was John F Kennedy when he got in he?

Speaker 2 (01:53:08):
was 30.
I think he was 36.

Speaker 5 (01:53:12):
No way.
And how long did he last?

Speaker 7 (01:53:14):
No, he had to be a certain age and it would become
prime yeah, 35.
35 at minimum.
He didn't last long he was.

Speaker 4 (01:53:19):
He was in his 30s, I know it was.
He was trying to go against thegrain Right and they killed him
.
They killed him.
You go against theestablishment.
He was 43.
Okay.

Speaker 5 (01:53:29):
He was in his 40s or upper 40s.

Speaker 3 (01:53:31):
He was young yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:53:33):
So so talk about 47.

Speaker 5 (01:53:35):
Yeah, he was, he was young.

Speaker 3 (01:53:36):
Because I think, I think he was the youngest.

Speaker 2 (01:53:39):
John F Kennedy was the youngest president ever
elected, yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:53:42):
And.

Speaker 3 (01:53:42):
I think it was John F Kennedy.

Speaker 8 (01:53:43):
I think he was too.
But the point is like you said,Roy, John F Kennedy got waxed
because he went against theestablishment.
Well, not only that there's alittle.
There's another history and Ithink we talked about this a
little bit and I don't remember.
Yeah, the gold standards andthe dollars no it was one of the
things that a book I read whenI was in the Crossbar Motel.

(01:54:04):
You read it, yeah, I read, butbasically he won 35.

Speaker 1 (01:54:08):
He read a lot to be president.
He used to could.

Speaker 8 (01:54:11):
That's crazy, Basically John F Kennedy's dad,
Jack Kennedy, who was a senatorforever Him and fucking vice
president for Kennedy.

Speaker 6 (01:54:25):
Johnson, johnson.

Speaker 8 (01:54:27):
And they were kind of like close, but they got a
tiffed.
So it was.
It was ironic that Johnsonbecame the vice president under
Jack's son the powers that beyeah.
And so that's how that's like.
I believe it.
I want to say Roosevelt,roosevelt, yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:54:50):
So they wanted the.

Speaker 8 (01:54:51):
Roosevelt.
So then, why did Kennedy getkilled then?
Why did he got killed?

Speaker 5 (01:54:54):
because people, because he was ruckling the
federal he said he wanted to getrid of the federal reserves.

Speaker 8 (01:54:59):
He wanted to get rid of CIA A couple of things.

Speaker 5 (01:55:02):
The federal reserve is a private bank.

Speaker 8 (01:55:04):
And you want to get rid of the CIA.

Speaker 3 (01:55:07):
Listen.
No, because he did not want togo into Vietnam.
Because he didn't want to gointo Vietnam, listen.
When did?
When did we?
When did?

Speaker 5 (01:55:19):
we start this Vietnam war.

Speaker 3 (01:55:21):
I'm asking.

Speaker 8 (01:55:22):
Joe, we had to we had we had observers like in 63, 64
Vietnam.

Speaker 4 (01:55:30):
I think it was 65.

Speaker 8 (01:55:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:55:32):
When actually it was established.
65.
Okay.

Speaker 8 (01:55:35):
Then put when was the first American in Vietnam?

Speaker 5 (01:55:38):
I think they call them.
Yeah, that was probably 63 or64.

Speaker 8 (01:55:42):
I think that's more like 60, 59, 60 65.
Okay, when was I?
When was JFK?

Speaker 3 (01:55:49):
assassinated.
63.
There you go.
So Lyndon Johnson sent him,lyndon Johnson sent him Right
yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:56:04):
That's a lot of motherfucker right there because
there is.
We had American troops inVietnam before the 60s, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:56:11):
Okay.
Do we know why we we gotinvolved in the Vietnam war, the
Gulf of Tonkin incident?

Speaker 8 (01:56:18):
Yeah, that's what they're saying, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:56:22):
That's what.
That's what preceded us togoing into Vietnam.
I mean, guess what?
That shit never happened.

Speaker 4 (01:56:29):
So, it's not a war.

Speaker 5 (01:56:30):
It's conflict.
Yeah, google.

Speaker 3 (01:56:33):
It never happened.
The Gulf of Tonkin neverhappened.
It was a lie.
That was told.
I don't know.
It was a lie.

Speaker 5 (01:56:38):
We should have and Kennedy's.
That's in Federal Reserve.
Let's see what it says.
Because they were the twopresidents that were
assassinated because they wantedto get off the one of the
American habits on money.
And I go through the FederalReserve, which is a private bank
hold by the.

Speaker 4 (01:56:55):
Rothschilds and all them.

Speaker 5 (01:56:57):
Right, right.

Speaker 4 (01:56:59):
What are the mega powers of the world?

Speaker 2 (01:57:01):
So, they're old school from Europe, so talking
about the, the term limits andjust like how politics is done
nowadays.
I don't know about you guys butmaybe in the next 20 years or
so I think we're going to seesome pretty significant like
political changes.
I for one have been followingthe convention of states

(01:57:26):
movement.
Have you guys heard about that?
Never heard that.
So they're.
They're getting pretty fuckingfar.
Convention of states what is it?

Speaker 5 (01:57:36):
So are you talking about leaving like succeeding in
the US.
Oh okay, I didn't know if thiswas because they have to do the
convention of the states, wherethey can actually vote
themselves on the United States.

Speaker 6 (01:57:50):
What Texas could do.

Speaker 5 (01:57:51):
Yeah, they decided to leave the United States, I
could.

Speaker 2 (01:57:54):
So convention of states convention of states is
under article five of theConstitution and it basically
explains how, as we know,congress by two thirds vote has
to approve the Constitutionamendments and at which point it
goes to the states to beratified.
Right, that's the normal way.

(01:58:15):
The other way is that kind ofbackwards you get Congress
completely out of it and you getthree fourths of the states to
vote to start a convention andthen they send delegates, they
vote on whatever amendments theywant to do and then it gets

(01:58:35):
sent out to be so who at thestates determines that we can
hold the convention?

Speaker 5 (01:58:41):
The legislators.
Okay, so you got to get everyhouse and Senate of each state
to vote to do this.
You have to get.

Speaker 2 (01:58:48):
You have to get three quarters of them, so you're
going to get like 38 states orwhatever it is.
So two, I stand corrected.
Two thirds of the states haveto pass an identically worded
resolution, and then Congress,according to the Constitution,
is forced to call a convention.

Speaker 6 (01:59:10):
They have no choice.

Speaker 2 (01:59:11):
They have to, and then Congress after that point
is completely out of it.
They have your, your bias.

Speaker 8 (01:59:17):
So when they did this , then the people, the
legislators, the state, state'slegislature would act on the
wall.
They should act on behalf ofthe people in their states and
the people, the United Statescitizens, we, the people, could
say we want term limits forCongress.

Speaker 2 (01:59:39):
We want term limits.
We want, whatever it has to be,what their application says.
They identical worded yourrequirement and I'm not going to
bother reading it unless youwant to, but the point is is
they have limited thisconvention to three specific
things reigning in the federalgovernment, the powers of the

(02:00:00):
federal government, fiscalrestraints and, I believe term
limits was one of them.
So, anyway, so you need 34 ofthe states to pass this
resolution.
19 of them have already, really, yes, and the ones that there
are, some there's a handful thatthe application has passed in

(02:00:22):
one chamber but not the other.

Speaker 8 (02:00:26):
Please tell me Michigan's one of them.
No, no, fuck them, I'm movingto fucking Texas.
No, I'm not.

Speaker 2 (02:00:32):
I hate Texas.
Let's see the ones that havepassed it let's see Very
Republican Texas hasn't passedit either.
Georgia, Alaska, Florida,Alabama, Tennessee, Indiana,
Oklahoma, Louisiana, Arizona,North Dakota, Texas did pass it
Missouri, Arkansas, Utah,Mississippi, Wisconsin, Nebraska

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, Wisconsin.

Speaker 8 (02:00:53):
I'll go to Indiana or Wisconsin.
Fuck, I can't do that because Ihate the Packers.
I can't live in fuckingWisconsin you don't want to be a
cheesehead.
No.

Speaker 3 (02:01:02):
The cheese is delicious over there.
I've been there.
I don't care I ain't therecheese I bet you have.
I told you it was an everythingright.

Speaker 8 (02:01:08):
What was her name?
Don't worry about it, don'tworry about it.

Speaker 2 (02:01:14):
So anyway, we need 34 states to pass the resolution,
and 19 have passed it already.

Speaker 8 (02:01:21):
Interesting.

Speaker 2 (02:01:22):
Something to look at.
Good to have a geek right, goodto have a geek.
I've been following these guys.
When it comes up in Michigan,you're damn straight.
I'll be down in Lansing becausethe thing is with the state
process.
You have to open that upbecause it goes through the
committees before it goes to thefloor the whole night.
When they put it on thecommittee floor you can go down

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to Lansing and say your piece.

Speaker 8 (02:01:46):
How'd that work out with the guys with the M4s?

Speaker 6 (02:01:49):
Probably not.

Speaker 2 (02:01:53):
So the reason I brought that up, though
specifically, was I foresee somesignificant things happening
politically the next 20 years,because if they do get a
convention passed and thatconvention says hey there's
going to be term limits now, youknow well, one convention had
already been passed at thatpoint, so who's to say we don't

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have another?
For some other specific reasons, you know, because there's a
lot of people that are goingagainst the fricking electoral
college and doing all theseother?

Speaker 5 (02:02:25):
things.
The popular vote should noteven be done in the state.

Speaker 6 (02:02:30):
In this state.

Speaker 5 (02:02:31):
At any state level.
Why?
Because a popular vote is aterrible idea, because it does
not represent your state.
Why it's tyranny of themajority Because you have the
tyranny of the majority.
So if you have between Lansing,Grand Rapids and Detroit, do
you think they have more say,rules or regulations than some

(02:02:55):
of that lives up in Sault SteMarie?

Speaker 3 (02:02:58):
Well, of course they do.
There's more population.

Speaker 5 (02:03:03):
So let me ask you a question.
If California decides to voteon rules that apply to our post
right, and they say your.
Bfw is going to go do this,this, this, this, this, this,
this this.
And we have 75 more millionmembers than you do in Michigan
and now we have to do that.
Is that fair to us?
No, they don't live here.

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They have no idea what actuallygoes on.
So when you take the power awayfrom the minority, right,
that's what you're doing.
When you do a popular vote, youtake it away from the minority
and you give it to the majority.

Speaker 8 (02:03:40):
So you're saying the electrical college is a good
thing.

Speaker 2 (02:03:43):
Did he say electrical college, electrical?

Speaker 8 (02:03:45):
Right son.

Speaker 7 (02:03:48):
So there's two good examples for this too.

Speaker 3 (02:03:50):
Now you care about the minority.

Speaker 5 (02:03:52):
I always care about the minority, so the country is
supposed to be ran from themajority.
Think about it in the 50s and60s when you had water problems
and shit.

Speaker 7 (02:03:59):
the majority was to take control of that Same thing.
In Germany, you had the Nazistaking care of the Jews.
They were the majority.
Were they doing the right thingjust because they were voting
that way?

Speaker 3 (02:04:11):
I get it, I get it.

Speaker 8 (02:04:13):
But the popular vote is bad because you'll always
have a president in Californiaonce we have a governor.

Speaker 5 (02:04:22):
The governor never comes to Mount Pleasant,
Michigan, to campaign.
Why?
Because all she needs isDetroit.

Speaker 6 (02:04:29):
Lansing and Grand Rapids In Flint.
That's it.

Speaker 5 (02:04:33):
So the only place she has to go to, so she's not
never going to come up here, orhe's never going to come up here
and talk to us.
Maybe they might go to TraverseCity.
Maybe Maybe but just becauseit's pretty up there, so they're
going to want to go up there.

Speaker 8 (02:04:45):
And they're going to go up there to get to Rio Grande
.
They're definitely not going togo to the UP.

Speaker 5 (02:04:49):
Yeah, they're talking to anybody up there to find out
what their problems andconcerns are.
What can I do?

Speaker 2 (02:04:52):
to help you up here.
And don't forget, let's expandthis back to the federal level
real quick.
Don't forget.
The state legislatures used tobe the ones that decided who
your state senators were.
Remember that?
Well, none of us do, becausethat was before our time.
No, I don't know about that.

Speaker 8 (02:05:12):
I always remember having to vote for state
senators.

Speaker 2 (02:05:15):
Well, it was not always like that.
Early 1900s they passed a law.
It was either the law or aconstitutional amendment that
you voted at that.

Speaker 3 (02:05:27):
Well, I believe that the people and we're talking
1800s used to.
We didn't elect a president.
We elected representatives whochose the president.

Speaker 2 (02:05:39):
And that's the electoral colleges, what we do
right now, and then they're eventalking about, did you find it?
No, I wasn't sure if you'reonly looking up when we started
directly electing our federalSenate.

Speaker 5 (02:05:54):
So here it is.

Speaker 2 (02:05:56):
And at the same time we started.

Speaker 3 (02:05:57):
I want to say it was like 1910 or 1920.

Speaker 2 (02:06:00):
1914.
, 1914.

Speaker 3 (02:06:04):
What about the?

Speaker 2 (02:06:04):
president, president's always been elected
the way we've had to.

Speaker 5 (02:06:07):
That was always about Abraham Lincoln.

Speaker 3 (02:06:09):
Yeah so look it up.
Look it up, it's always beenelected motherfucker what you
think.

Speaker 8 (02:06:17):
somebody just said oh , would you be the?
Oh?
By the way, tray, I'm going toappoint you as the fucking
president.

Speaker 2 (02:06:22):
Well, the city of my pleasant Right and at the same
time you could argue that wasmaybe Washington because he was
the first, but I mean, I thinkhe was elected.

Speaker 5 (02:06:31):
We elect the city commissioners Right, right, and
they're going to be a staggeredterms, you know.
So they're not all expiring inthe same year.
But every year that commissionelects a mayor, a vice mayor
it's not voted on by thecitizens of my pleasant.
We elect them to that committee, right, and so the commission,

(02:06:56):
city commission, and then everyyear they vote on who they want
to run out of them.

Speaker 3 (02:07:01):
Right, what'd you find, joe?

Speaker 7 (02:07:04):
This says the founding fathers established the
electoral college and theconstitution in part as a
compromise between election thepresident by a vote in Congress,
election the president by apopular vote to qualify the
citizens.
However, the term electoralcollege does not appear in a
constitution.
Article two the constitution12th amendment referred electors
but not to electoral college.

Speaker 3 (02:07:25):
So what?
So how was the presidentelected back in the day?

Speaker 8 (02:07:31):
He just read it.
You dumbass, Stupid fuckingcocksucker.

Speaker 6 (02:07:36):
That didn't really say nothing.

Speaker 3 (02:07:38):
They established the electoral college.
He just kind of what exactlyhis politics.

Speaker 8 (02:07:41):
You just running around in fucking circles.

Speaker 2 (02:07:48):
That was shit by the way.
So my point, the other point Iwas trying to make about the oh,
there's, a second one?
No, it's still the second.
Why'd you say second time?
Yeah, I don't know.
It's the same thing I talkedabout.

Speaker 8 (02:08:03):
So motherfucker.

Speaker 5 (02:08:05):
Fill out the application for the writers
group.
If you're going to be thequartermaster, it's going to.
I'm going to pass that on thefloor.
If you're the quartermaster,you got to be a member of the
writers group.

Speaker 2 (02:08:13):
All right cool, so I'll do that later We'll get you
a moped.

Speaker 5 (02:08:19):
Just so I can name you two parts.
We have Callie.
That's an honorary member.
We can maybe do that.

Speaker 2 (02:08:29):
So but think about it .
So we were just talking aboutTierney and majority right.
When's the last time Michiganhad a I'm not going to say
Republican because I don'treally give a shit what party
but when's the last time we hada conservative state senator on
the federal level?

Speaker 5 (02:08:48):
Shit we have one now.

Speaker 3 (02:08:49):
No, we don't Wait, no senator A conservative.

Speaker 5 (02:08:52):
It would have been the nerd before uh Grandholm uh,
or right after Grandholm uhSnyder.

Speaker 3 (02:09:01):
No, he said a senator .

Speaker 5 (02:09:02):
Senator, oh, senator In Congress.
I thought you were talkingabout governor, sorry.

Speaker 8 (02:09:10):
Well, do you mean a Republican, or do you mean a
liberal Democrat?

Speaker 2 (02:09:13):
So a Senate Republican, whoever, whoever you
know, so you have.

Speaker 5 (02:09:17):
So we send a senator in a Congress.
While you can send up to basedon your population depends on
how many you get at the federallevel.

Speaker 2 (02:09:23):
Now I'm.
I'm just, I did a quick search,but I feel like the most recent
Republican.
Spencer Abraham from 95, 2001,he's not our Congress, he's not
our senator Senator.

Speaker 3 (02:09:41):
He is Debbie Stabenow was Stabenow 2001 to present
Stabenow.

Speaker 5 (02:09:46):
Yeah, she is very liberal.

Speaker 3 (02:09:47):
He's 95 from 2001.

Speaker 5 (02:09:49):
From here from this area.
Actually, I went to school withDonald Regal.
He's almost.

Speaker 8 (02:09:53):
He's almost a year old.

Speaker 3 (02:09:55):
He's almost a year old.
It was vacant from oh four days.
Okay, philip.

Speaker 5 (02:10:01):
Hart, carl Carl Levin was awesome Actually, when I
got out of service and I startedmy apprenticeship, my
sister-in-law, kate, worked forthe House Democrats and she
worked for Whitmer and sheworked for other senators or
shit like that, but she wasactually the press secretary or
whatever for the House Democrats, worked for Whitmer before she

(02:10:22):
got out of politics.
But anyways, she obviously knewsomebody at Carl Levin and I
wasn't getting paid for myapprenticeship through the GI
Bill.
And they ran us through thefucking wringer dude.
So it was like two years, liketwo years to fucking finally get

(02:10:44):
paid and I got all the back payand it took.
Carl Carl for me to go throughmy apprenticeship, my GI Bill.

Speaker 3 (02:10:53):
Right.

Speaker 5 (02:10:54):
Because we're a nationally accredited
apprenticeship at Local A5.
Took forever.
There's a plug.

Speaker 6 (02:10:59):
No, seriously.
No, we're just nationallyaccredited.

Speaker 5 (02:11:03):
So it through the Department of Labor, but it was
fucking nightmare.

Speaker 2 (02:11:09):
So Trey was correct, we did have a Republican, and
I'm only 32, so I didn't knowthat.
My entire life it's always beenfreaking Debbie Stabenow and
what's his name.
But the point still stands,though, is that until 1914, the
state legislators were the onesthat appointed our United States

(02:11:33):
senators for the state, and soagain, tyranny of the majority,
right so, grand Rapids, detroit,you know, whatever the
Metroplexes are the ones thatwere that are making that
decision now, right Before, itwas all of the state legislators

(02:11:55):
.
Well, you know you have a goodmix of legislators, you know.
So back then that's my argumentBack then it probably wasn't
like it is now, and I'm sureit's like that for probably some
of the other states too.
So that'd be one thing Repealthat, get rid of it, go back to

(02:12:19):
the state legislators, like itwas originally supposed to be,
so that you know when we vote nopresident.
No for Congress, for our UnitedStates senators.
We vote for senators, yes, butwe take that away and we let our
state legislators vote for oursenators.

Speaker 8 (02:12:40):
No, we vote for senators.

Speaker 2 (02:12:41):
Man, he's confused.
He's not an understandable one.
I'm trying to tell.

Speaker 8 (02:12:44):
Evidently because you've been talking in fucking
circles for an hour.
You should have stopped at onepart, okay?
I mean, no, we vote forsenators, I know, but we never,
we haven't always done that.
Who cares?
What we haven't always done, wedo now, if we do now right the

(02:13:05):
point here it is right.
Part one I'm gonna fucking killyou.
Drake and I are not quiet.
Fucking opener, thank you.

Speaker 5 (02:13:19):
I don't know we're gonna hear the juggler squirt,
or something.
I don't want to get the skyloud.

Speaker 8 (02:13:22):
Yeah, we don't want to get it.
Okay, give me the point.

Speaker 5 (02:13:26):
We do that plastic.
This does look like murder'srow.

Speaker 2 (02:13:29):
I'm not a great speaker all the time, so Charlie
helped me out here.
But the point was until 1914,our state legislators that we
voted in were the ones that madethe decision of who to send to
the United States Senate.
So we vote for them.
They vote for the senators.

(02:13:50):
Since then, we vote directlyfor the senators At national.

Speaker 5 (02:13:56):
At the national Right .
Yeah, it used to not be thatway and I don't know where it
changed, but I did hear that.

Speaker 2 (02:14:02):
And so, the current system being the way it is, who
makes that decision?
Detroit, grand Rapids, lansingthe Metroplexes we're all the
populations at?
You should move there and haveyour voice be heard, but if my

(02:14:22):
point exactly, but if thelegislators right who we have.
I don't know what the numbersare, but we have.
We have a good spread oflegislators.

Speaker 8 (02:14:32):
You really think their motherfuckers are going to
do what we want?
No, they're going to do whatthey want, so let's just leave
it alone.

Speaker 2 (02:14:38):
Who's our legislator, though?
Like Roger Halk right.
So if he was the one Good guythat would represent our area
and his vote would go to.
My brother used to work withhim.

Speaker 5 (02:14:49):
Well, but but Roger Halk, if we did the electoral
college, he could pick up ClaireCounty, he could pick up this
county and this county and thiscounty and this county, right,
so it's, it's almost the samething when you're talking the
national level, the electoralcollege Iowa actually matters,
montana actually matters, maineactually matters.
They have like one electoralcollege, voter three or whatever

(02:15:12):
it is.
Some state split.
It's weird when they split, butat least you're counted.
Now the world would be counted.
Or else.
Or else for the president, it'dbe fucking New York state, it'd
be a fuck California, andthat's who would elect our
president.
Our vote wouldn't even matter.
You know how the mayor matter.

Speaker 2 (02:15:29):
When they split, how they do it is by their
congressional district.
So we have Molinar right, sohis congressional district would
get one vote, as well as theother districts.
Plus you get two votes on topof that for your, for your
senators.
That's how.

Speaker 5 (02:15:48):
That's how Maine does it, but because they only have
three, the reason why it wasalways done that way with the
electoral colleges, so the factthat everybody is represented,
everybody's vote, counts.
The problem is, even if itdoesn't, well, it does.
But if you just did popularvote, no one's supporting even
going to the polls, you justwait to see what California and

(02:16:08):
New York wants to do, becausethat's who's going to be running
the show every time.
And I guess if you want yourfucking vote count, I guess move
to New York, california, goodluck with it.
Cause I ain't moving to Detroit,Lansing or Grand Rapids either,
but so I think it should beapplied at the state level to
make sure that everybody,regardless of if you live in

(02:16:29):
Escota County or you live inwhatever up in UP somewhere, at
least your vote goes tosomething you can.
You can see it on the ticker atthe end of the night my vote
actually, you know and andthat's and that's us talking
about the Senate.

Speaker 2 (02:16:43):
The same thing could be said for the house.
By a congressional uh or a uhconstitutional amendment I
believe it was is how we get toour 435.
Well, that's averaging about900 and some thousand people per
representative, and that'snever how it was intended.
At one point we had over athousand people in the house

(02:17:07):
until they limited it.
So there's a whole thing goingon right now that they want to
increase it to 900 and some oddpeople in the house, which would
give each representative about50,000 to 100,000 people.
You know just kind of lower thenumber.

Speaker 7 (02:17:26):
It's got to affect the 270 number for the president
.

Speaker 2 (02:17:31):
I don't know.
I don't know how any of thatshit works.
But yeah, I'm just saying soover the next 20 years we could
see some significant changes.
We could see term limitsenacted on the federal level.
We could see some fiscalrestraints.

Speaker 5 (02:17:46):
So I'm going to throw this out.
My brother in law said on thecity commission or sat on, was
elected to the city commission,probably 15 to 20 years Mayor,
four or five years of that, youknow, was elected out of the
commission.
He is a you know, speak for him, but I think he is underlying
thing was he was a proponent ofnot having term limits.

(02:18:10):
But the sole fact is by thetime you get in, you get
established, you figure out therules and all the things that
are going on.
I'll give you that You're doneand you got to leave, right.
So I think what he was thinkingis if they were a little bit
longer, so like 12 years.
Like here in the state, ifyou're in the house, it's like

(02:18:37):
every two years.
You got to get elected and youcan only do three terms for six
years.
So by the time you're you're afreshman, right.
You get in your first year.
What are you doing?
You're campaigning for yournext fucking election.
You just got your feet wet.
Now you got to freaking, goback out and campaign again to
get elected.

Speaker 2 (02:18:55):
You actually get some work done for a year and then
you're back out If you make yourterms.

Speaker 5 (02:18:59):
Longer you can do more shit.
Right, right.
So if you made them, like youknow, four years or three years,
but you do three terms or fourterms and then you're done, get
12 years total, like here.
It's like after six yearsyou're out, you fit your term
limits, you get three, two yearterms.

Speaker 8 (02:19:15):
I didn't know.
The state had term limits.
Yeah, I'm talking about thefederal.

Speaker 6 (02:19:19):
I mean, I know, I know, I know, I get it but they
still apply up there.

Speaker 5 (02:19:22):
They've got nothing.
We're here in the state, you do.
Well, why do you have it in thestate but you don't have it at
the federal level?
Because we enacted it at thestate level, right, so they
don't want to do it.

Speaker 2 (02:19:31):
So what do you think you're talking?

Speaker 5 (02:19:32):
to yourself out of a job.

Speaker 2 (02:19:34):
So what do you think about that?
Like say, just take thepresident, for example, because
right now it's two four yearterms.
What if you take out reelectionentirely?
Give them one six year term orone five and a half year term,
right, so now they don't worryabout reelection at all, but
they get a decent chunk of time.

Speaker 5 (02:19:52):
Yeah, I would.
I would rather do one eightyear term, and then you're just
done.
One eight year straight termand you're done, biden could
really fuck us in the year.

Speaker 2 (02:20:03):
In the year.

Speaker 5 (02:20:04):
You think it's eight years.
You honestly think it's justhim.
No, I don't Okay, so regardless, it's not just him.

Speaker 2 (02:20:13):
But see, eight years is damn near a whole decade and
I think that's a little long.
I think four years is toolittle and I think eight years
is too much, and also that's whyI was like five and a half
years maybe.

Speaker 5 (02:20:26):
Well, you know, you know how much money we spend on
elections Literally the.
It's ridiculous how manybillions of dollars we probably
spent paying poll workers andballots and machines and blah,
blah, blah, blah, blah.

Speaker 4 (02:20:40):
And they're all, and they're all fucking anyway.
You take that stuff and the youknow the hundreds of millions
you know in campaigns.
I mean not a mile right therecould help almost veterans and
feed poor and so on and so on.

Speaker 2 (02:20:55):
But there's some ideas you know around the world,
like when his wife was here acouple of episodes ago, she was
talking about some good shit.
You know, she's talking abouthealthcare and she was talking
about, like things that inAmerica would be extremely
difficult to act, just becauseof how our country is.

(02:21:16):
You know, because I mean, takeuniversal healthcare, for
example, because my backgroundis health administration, that's
what my bachelor's degree is inis health administration.
So take healthcare as anexample.
We try to put out, you know, auniversal healthcare system In
the United States.
It's going to spectacularlyfail.

(02:21:38):
Why?
Because we already have one.
It's called the Department ofVeterans Affairs and it's
fucking horrible.
There's certain pockets thatare really good.
I think Saginaw is pretty good.

Speaker 4 (02:21:50):
You know, because I am originally got better over
the years yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:21:53):
Well, because I'm originally from Grand Rapids, so
I was under the Battle Creek VA.
Okay, the fucking suck.
All right, they were horrible.
And a number of years ago, usaToday came out and rated all of
the VA areas Battle Creek ratedthree out of five stars and
Saginaw got five out of five.
So and then when I moved toMount Pleasant and I transferred

(02:22:18):
everything to Saginaw, it wasnight and day, you know, my
compensation and pensionevaluations were completely
different, like my doctorsactually fucking listened to me,
like you know, down in GrandRapids, I, you know, I don't
know, I wouldn't be where I amtoday if I was still down there.

(02:22:38):
I can tell you that.
So you know, but that's just,that's just me.
But again, there's certainpockets that are garbage, just
straight garbage on fire, youknow, and there's other ones
that are really, really good.
So you know, you know, takethat and just apply it to the
rest of the country.
You're going to have areas thatare great and you're going to

(02:22:59):
have areas that suck.
You know so, and I had to do areport on this in college and I
used Canada as an example,obviously because they're the
closest example I could find.
So, basically, at one point intime.
I don't know what it is now,but at one point in time the
entire province of Quebec hadone MRI machine.

(02:23:21):
Oh shit.

Speaker 7 (02:23:24):
Jesus, jesus.

Speaker 2 (02:23:25):
So do the math.
So they had to sit there andration that thing out and that
thing never turned off becausethey had all these freaking
patients.
God forbid.
Maintenance had to be done onit.
No, no, not at all.
And so, by contrast, in thatreport I did.
I thought off the top of myhead, because I was living in

(02:23:46):
Grand Rapids at the time.
I thought off the top of myhead how many MRI machines can I
count in my head Just in GrandRapids, by itself, each of the
three major hospitals had oneMetroHealth, which is now
University of Michigan, spectrumand Mercy all have one, at
least one, I think they havemultiple.
So just in one city, one countyalone were so much different.

(02:24:13):
And that was just an example.
So the point I was trying tomake is just, we have such a
different demographic and wehave so many more people.
We have 300-some-odd millionpeople to provide healthcare for
, if that's what we did Right.
So I mentioned your wifetalking about universal

(02:24:36):
healthcare and some of theseother things.
What else did she talk aboutwhile she was here that they do
over there, that's?
Did she say daycare orsomething too?

Speaker 3 (02:24:45):
Yeah, you get.
Well, not necessarily daycare.
It's not daycare, but how?

Speaker 5 (02:24:49):
much time leave you get when you have a child born.
It's like a year.
You get like the first yearpaid at home with your child
after they're born and I thinkthe father gets like six months
or something.
It was pretty long.

Speaker 3 (02:24:59):
I can't remember exactly how much time, but it
was something like that, it'svaluable time.
Well, no, there's no doubtabout it, right and well, not
only that, the school, school,college is paid for.
College is paid for.
And the question is how thefuck can a poor country like
Poland and their poor pay fortheir kids to go to school?

(02:25:24):
And we can't, we can't figurethat out.
What's the population?

Speaker 5 (02:25:28):
in Poland.

Speaker 4 (02:25:29):
I think, schools make money.

Speaker 8 (02:25:32):
We fight all their battles, I think you know the
air quotes the American thoughtprocess.

Speaker 5 (02:25:40):
How many is in Michigan?

Speaker 2 (02:25:43):
Wait, say that again the 30, there's 38 million
people in Poland.

Speaker 5 (02:25:48):
That's their population.
10 million here in Michigan.
You take like Michigan,wisconsin and Indiana.
Right, that's the population ofPoland, probably I'm just
assuming Somewhere around here.
Yeah right, so tiny, tiny, yep.

Speaker 2 (02:26:04):
What is what is, and yet they can pay for what is it?

Speaker 5 (02:26:07):
What are?
What are?
What are our three states payfor for National Guard?
That's all Poland has fordefense.

Speaker 3 (02:26:13):
Hold on, let me Google this how many Polish
citizens live outside of Poland?

Speaker 5 (02:26:21):
He asked the Polish population.

Speaker 3 (02:26:24):
No, no.
How many Polish citizens liveoutside of 20 million?
So that's how many have left?
There's 38 million there rightnow but they got 20 million
living outside of their borders.
Right, but because but yourwife's not paying?

Speaker 5 (02:26:41):
Polish taxes so what you point.

Speaker 3 (02:26:43):
Yes, yes, yes.

Speaker 5 (02:26:44):
So the fuck cares, we're talking about the lives
there.

Speaker 6 (02:26:47):
Right.

Speaker 3 (02:26:48):
They're paying or going to college, so you're
talking.
My point is this if it's sogreat, why is almost absolutely
fucking population.
Leave there Right, becausethey're poor.
It's poor country it is.

Speaker 5 (02:27:01):
Right, but you asked how they could pay for college.
Yeah, we're not saying that youknow that it's a great country.

Speaker 4 (02:27:07):
You made the very fact point of how poor they are.
Right, they can still do thefund Right?
Yeah, all that school.

Speaker 2 (02:27:14):
But that's not to say that it has to be like.
You know, she's still talking.

Speaker 5 (02:27:21):
I don't think he shuts off.

Speaker 2 (02:27:22):
It doesn't have to be , you know, all four years.
Maybe that's how they do it, Idon't know, but when it was to
take that and, you know, give anAmerican example.
Maybe we just pay for yourcommunity college and we get
your fucking gen eds out of theway or something.

Speaker 8 (02:27:39):
Next we're going to start talking about fucking
freedom.

Speaker 3 (02:27:43):
I have a theory here.
Okay, let's hear it why Americadoesn't pay.
Because listen, what if supposewe do get invaded Right,
suppose we do get invadedAmericans?
We're fucking stupid.
We're so stupid we're going tofucking drive to Colorado during
red dawn and we're going tofucking fight those cops.

Speaker 7 (02:28:07):
Our chance is getting invaded, compared to Poland are
like 6 million to one I'm goingto go buy a louder ticket.

Speaker 5 (02:28:13):
if I hit that fucker, that means we're getting
invaded tomorrow.
Listen, right, just let me know.

Speaker 3 (02:28:18):
It's not going to happen.
Listen, my wife, when she wasup here, you know she was giving
her a perspective.
We were having one of these andshe said if we find out we're
getting invaded tomorrow, we'regiving up today.

Speaker 8 (02:28:32):
And then she goes, and then all the doctors and the
physicists will all be inAmerica.

Speaker 5 (02:28:37):
Yeah, and this is this is this is where I'm going
with it is we spend our moneydifferently.
So here's the problem back in.
You know my grandfather's town.
If you had a high schooleducation, you were educated.

Speaker 3 (02:28:54):
Yep, yep.

Speaker 5 (02:28:55):
Right, you got a great job.
People still had good jobs thatdidn't even finish high school
or whatever else.
Yeah, had good jobs, but if youhad the high school right, that
would give you the leg up.
Now high school really meansnothing.
Right, you might as well noteven have an education.
You get high school.
You're getting all the lowpaying jobs.
Now you get to college.

(02:29:16):
You get the mid level jobs.
For most of them, you know whatI mean.
Now you got to get the mastersand the doctorates to be ahead
of everybody else.
So all they did was punt thefootball and said hey, you got
to go to college to get a greatjob Bullshit.
Now you get a four year degree.
You're getting an average job.
You're not getting a great jobAverage.
You got to get the masters orthe doctorate to get a great job

(02:29:38):
.

Speaker 2 (02:29:39):
The value of the degree is diminishing Big time.

Speaker 6 (02:29:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (02:29:43):
So pushing everybody to college isn't going to get
you a better job.
All it's going to do.

Speaker 2 (02:29:50):
And starting at the very beginning.
Your K through 12 is mostlybullshit.

Speaker 5 (02:29:54):
And I can tell you because then you college classes
are mostly bull.
You want, you want a great job.

Speaker 8 (02:29:58):
But that's the point.
Join the fucking military baby.

Speaker 2 (02:30:02):
So so you do K through 12, and I said it's
mostly bullshit.
And you said college is mostlybullshit, and I agree.
But what do they do when yougraduate K through 12?
They immediately make you takethe same fucking courses all
over again.
Yeah, and pay for it, andcollege.
And make you pay for it.

Speaker 3 (02:30:19):
For you know, and it's just like and that's also
something my wife could tell youis that our education system is
lacking.

Speaker 8 (02:30:28):
Oh, there's no doubt.

Speaker 3 (02:30:29):
They were doing fucking.
She said they were doing likephysics, physics in fucking high
school physics.
Are Polish people supposed tobe stupid?
That was.
That's the stereotype.

Speaker 2 (02:30:42):
Right, physics was offered at my high school, but
it sure as hell wasn't arequired class yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:30:47):
And they're fucking they.
I mean, those are some smartmotherfuckers over there, so,
but I can tell you this that noteverybody goes to college over
there.

Speaker 6 (02:30:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:30:57):
You know, a lot of people do take advantage of it,
but the world needs ditchdiggers.

Speaker 5 (02:31:03):
So our our problem is is that here in Michigan we're
mandated by the federalgovernment how we're going to
educate our kids, why?
Why shouldn't it be left up tothe school board?
Is that we elect at the locallevel to say, the kids of Mount
Pleasant or the kids in TraverseCity or the kids in Lansing
need to learn this or that?

Speaker 2 (02:31:24):
Well, it's okay to set up a base.

Speaker 5 (02:31:26):
It's coming from somebody that has no idea the
way that we live right or thetype of work we have here right
or anything else.
Tell us how we have to educateour kids.

Speaker 6 (02:31:37):
It's what we elect the school board.

Speaker 5 (02:31:38):
The school board should set the curriculum
because this is what we need inthis area.

Speaker 3 (02:31:43):
And I think there needs to be a standardization
kind of across the board.

Speaker 5 (02:31:49):
A baseline, a baseline very basic shit.

Speaker 6 (02:31:52):
Yeah, like you need a math reading, right Science
reading writing arithmetic,because listen, is that cursive?

Speaker 8 (02:31:59):
writing or just regular writing my kids, my kids
, nobody fucking uses cursiveanymore, old man.

Speaker 7 (02:32:05):
My kids spent more time they can't read as
historical documents.

Speaker 5 (02:32:09):
My kids spent more time studying or going over a
mandated national test becauseall the students had to meet a
certain level and that was shitthat they didn't even need to
learn per se just to get readyto take this test so that the
schools would score high enoughto get funding.

Speaker 3 (02:32:33):
Well, what they need to do.

Speaker 5 (02:32:35):
It was ridiculous.

Speaker 3 (02:32:40):
What they need to do is instead of every school is
funded by their community, right?
So your property taxes pays forthe school in the area, right?

Speaker 5 (02:32:58):
That's what's supposed to happen.

Speaker 3 (02:33:00):
So what happens in those poor communities?
So we're in Mount Pleasant,relatively speaking middle, I'd
say middle to poor here in Mount.
Pleasant in Isabella County.
Grashet County's probably evenworse.
I didn't think about that.
So what happens to those kids?

(02:33:23):
They get the shit end of thestick because they're living in
poor communities.

Speaker 5 (02:33:28):
No, we're not talking sharing funding.
Well, we should.
No, I have no problem sharingfunding.
What I'm talking about nohookers allowed.
What I'm talking about is thatthe school board in Elma and
Grashet County should dictatehow their students are taught.
I'm not talking about fundingcoming back from the state or

(02:33:49):
anywhere else.
We're talking about the actualeducation of the students.

Speaker 3 (02:33:56):
But if their schools are poorly funded because the
people are poor, then the kidsare suffering for that Right.

Speaker 5 (02:34:07):
So not all the money just strictly comes from your
tax base.
There's portions of it that goto the state and then they get
kicked back appropriatelythroughout all the school
districts or whatever right.
So just because we might pass abond message to build a new high
school that comes directly fromus, part of the property taxes

(02:34:28):
go down to the state forschooling and then get
reappropriated back out to allthe different school districts.
So there's people say, MountPleasant, we don't have enough,
we might get portions fromDetroit, we might get a portion
from Travis City or from thisyou know right.
So some of our money is goingto help Grashet County or going

(02:34:49):
to help Macosta County or goingto help whatever else.
And that's why it's not alwaysthat what it is when you, when
you drive by and you look at ashitty building, is because the
residents of Macosta Countydidn't want to pass a bond to
build a new school, or upgrade aschool.

Speaker 3 (02:35:03):
They also don't have the fucking money for that.

Speaker 2 (02:35:04):
Well, and that's why you also get school districts
like Tri-County School Districtor whatever.
They come together and theypool their money to do what
needs to be done Right.

Speaker 8 (02:35:16):
So it's not like high speed school, it feels like my
school, they do have a great itwasn't like that when.

Speaker 3 (02:35:21):
I was there.
Oh yeah, me either.
Back in 1921.

Speaker 8 (02:35:24):
Yeah me and.

Speaker 7 (02:35:28):
Tab Tab alumni warriors.

Speaker 6 (02:35:32):
So, we got a fucking warrior too.

Speaker 3 (02:35:34):
yeah yeah, you got a lot of them too.

Speaker 5 (02:35:37):
We got a visitor that just came in.
She must have been out here onthe jewelry meeting.
Sorry, I don't fit the spot.
I'm going to assume Round thetable.
Introduce yourself.
Hi, I'm Tab with the Gates.
I'm an auxiliary member forpost-333.
And the riders group.
Member.
And the riders group memberyeah, what's up with that?
Fucking, I was going to sayjumpsuit.

(02:35:57):
She looks like Santa Claus.

Speaker 9 (02:35:59):
I wore a dress all day and I wanted to be
comfortable.

Speaker 5 (02:36:01):
You wore it all day.

Speaker 3 (02:36:02):
You changed without me.
You went to work in that.

Speaker 5 (02:36:04):
No, I wore a dress.

Speaker 6 (02:36:05):
You're such a word dress all day man you don't
listen, I don't know, I don'tknow I don't know if you become
an East.

Speaker 3 (02:36:10):
I'm United States Army.
I don't listen, hold on, I'mgoing to women talk about your
wheels.

Speaker 5 (02:36:16):
I hear the Charlie Brown.

Speaker 2 (02:36:19):
I can tell you how he got a E7.
He typed up his own promotionrecord Coming from a guy who's
always out there.

Speaker 3 (02:36:26):
Shut your fucking mouth.

Speaker 8 (02:36:26):
Brent.

Speaker 5 (02:36:28):
Give away his secrets , All right so that's moved on
off elections.

Speaker 2 (02:36:35):
Yeah, because it's depressing.
Well, not only that, it'spretty convoluted shit, but I
don't know.

Speaker 8 (02:36:42):
So let's talk about something fun Bowling tournament
.
Bowling, pov bowling tournament.

Speaker 5 (02:36:49):
Nine pin, no tap.
Nine pin, no tap.
So on the previous podcast wetalked about the VOD, which is
Voice of the Microsand, thePatriot PEN program.
We have our post fund raiserbowling tournament this weekend
at Riverwood, signed up ready togo.
I'm bowling with Brian Schaener.

Speaker 8 (02:37:06):
Oh that you guys could do well, you guys could do
well.
We're going to roll the ball.
He hasn't bowled all year, butyou could do well.

Speaker 5 (02:37:14):
Well, I'm averaging.
I was 182,.
I rolled average 195 last weekwhen I bowled.
I only bowled once a month, somy average is down, but yeah.

Speaker 8 (02:37:24):
I had a hell of a lot of nines.

Speaker 5 (02:37:25):
Man, that one lane did not treat me well.
It was like nine strike, ninestrike, nine strike.
I was picking up spares anddoing shit and every now and
again I'd get lucky on that leftlane.
But man, that bitch was toughyou ever bowled 300?
I have not, so my dad has.
I bowled at 289.
I had a nine spares in thefirst frame, struck address the
game out, and then the very nextgame.

(02:37:46):
So like game two or game three,I ran like the front seven, so
seven, or else I had like 16 or17 strikes in a row, but they
were not in a consecutive game.

Speaker 8 (02:37:55):
I had never done it.
So my, my brother, I had a 300series.

Speaker 4 (02:38:02):
My brother Mario.

Speaker 3 (02:38:03):
Teever, mario bowled a 299 the other day.
Oh my God, 299.

Speaker 8 (02:38:08):
Mario.

Speaker 3 (02:38:08):
Yep Say that, hold up .
Say that one more time.

Speaker 8 (02:38:11):
Fuck Mario.

Speaker 5 (02:38:14):
He probably went down there and had a kid back in a
pit, not knocking Hulking pinsover there.

Speaker 8 (02:38:20):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 5 (02:38:22):
You're going to take this plastic shits and on, sees
it so opaque and just startedknocking pins over.

Speaker 3 (02:38:27):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 5 (02:38:27):
Guaranteed.
So cheat motherfucker.
Yeah, that money goes to a goodcause.

Speaker 8 (02:38:34):
Yeah, next year we're going to increase the prize
money for our post winners, somaybe we can get a little more
participation.

Speaker 7 (02:38:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (02:38:45):
Then we got our Ryder's group breakfast meeting
on Sunday.

Speaker 8 (02:38:47):
Yeah, it's going to be pretty good Full weekend for
me.

Speaker 5 (02:38:51):
Jen's taken off to go up and visit our daughter.

Speaker 8 (02:38:54):
Hopefully it'll be nice to be able to ride.

Speaker 6 (02:38:56):
Oh my.

Speaker 7 (02:38:56):
God Fish and turn.
I'm riding a marathon.

Speaker 3 (02:38:59):
I've been dying to go on a ride.

Speaker 7 (02:39:03):
Did you get it Saturday?
We pick it up.

Speaker 8 (02:39:07):
Did they get that little snag doing that?
You got going on and fucked.

Speaker 7 (02:39:11):
They haven't told them what they're going to do
about it yet.

Speaker 8 (02:39:13):
Okay.

Speaker 5 (02:39:14):
They better figure it out.
So, yeah, the old jewelersitting here.
He picked up his new Harley.

Speaker 3 (02:39:20):
Oh yeah, can we talk about that?

Speaker 5 (02:39:22):
Dude, my name is Toby tonight because I was his
personal chauffeur all day.

Speaker 8 (02:39:28):
He was going to.
And here's the funny thing isright.
So I'm struggling with this.
I'm going to do I want to.
So I went into the credit unionand they basically approved me
for eight grand and I was like,okay, because that's what I
figured from my trade in, andthen if I had to give a little

(02:39:53):
money I'd get it down to eightand whatever.
That would be close to where Iwas at, so I go in there and I
get that all approved and shitlike that.
And before I left, though,couldn't get in my safe when my
titles was up, so I'm like fuck,did you get that on my track?
Yeah, oh, I didn't know, so,anyway, so I get get to the

(02:40:18):
Harley shop.
I was looking at a 2013 streetglide that was 13 or 12, 913,000
.
Then I seen this other ultraclassic that was blue and blue
and silver.
I thought it was black and I'ma writer fan.

(02:40:39):
So, I was like yeah, it's areal deep, deep blue.

Speaker 5 (02:40:44):
Is that the one?
You got.

Speaker 3 (02:40:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (02:40:46):
And that was like 11.
So I'm, and it had less mileageso I'm like fuck it, I'm going
to go with this one.
So a year was it 2012.
Okay, and so the lady told meshe said okay, I need this, this
and this.
So I had to go and get a payofffor my bike.
So I went and paid the 367 thatI still owed on on old girl I

(02:41:10):
miss her already, I missed thepage, but anyway.
So I paid that off and I had torun the secretary state because
my title was locked in my safeand they said they would print
me a title.
So I get in there and I'm likemother fucker, there's like 12
people in there.
And then there's someone fuckingtrying to get a title but he's

(02:41:32):
from South Carolina or somefucking state.
And they keep telling me mom,no, you have to call that.
I called them, but you have tocall them, and then they have to
.
And he just kept.
I'm like, yep, I won't be outof here until tomorrow.
So I left.
I said Charlie to the house, tothe house, we're going to break

(02:41:53):
into that safe.
And Charlie's like, well, whydon't you take it out to gilbos?
I said good idea.

Speaker 6 (02:41:59):
It was gilbos.
Gilo is locking safe.

Speaker 5 (02:42:01):
Yeah, okay so these are the safecracker guys.
They could do the keys for yourbuildings.
They can do all their, their,their, their good dudes.

Speaker 8 (02:42:10):
And I'm like okay, so how about we do this?
I have to put full coverage onthe bike.
So let's go to the insurancecompany.
I'll get the full coverage.
I'm going to stop at the houseand then you know, you can go do
your thing and I'll.
And he's like, well, no, I'mhere, man, I'll just run you out
to gilbos running the house,grab the safe.

(02:42:30):
So I do that.

Speaker 5 (02:42:32):
We get out to gilbos.
Tim is the king ofprocrastination.

Speaker 8 (02:42:35):
Yes, we all know this .

Speaker 5 (02:42:37):
I'm going to say no, we're just going to go get this
done.

Speaker 8 (02:42:40):
We're going to go get it.
Yeah, it's not going to getdone, so let them.
Yeah, so we, I get the safe,and it's just a little cheap
safe.
And what was happening is, uh,I'd put the key in to turn it
but the little the lock that wassupposed to engage the opener
was just spinning.
I was like what the hell isgoing on with this?

(02:43:02):
I've been very good at notsaying motherfuckers.
Long story short.
So we go out to gilbos.
Right, get out there, walk in.
I got my safe.
I'm like, hey, I need you guysto help me break into my safe.
Charlie was going to be a smartass and say and do it quick,
because the cops are on theirway.

Speaker 5 (02:43:20):
Yeah, I was getting up like I'm glad I didn't say
that because they would havelooked, but he had the key right
, yeah, I had the key.

Speaker 8 (02:43:28):
So the guy looked at it and I'm holding it and he's
like, okay, well, put the key in.
I put the key in and I turnedit and I heard clunk.
I was like, oh, motherfucking,no.

Speaker 5 (02:43:40):
So I turned it it opened, so just taking it
horizontally and inverting it,whatever was pushing at it and
probably falling down Right.

Speaker 7 (02:43:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (02:43:49):
Let stuff move around to be able to open it.
So we got a good laugh.
The guys were like, well,that's a hundred bucks.

Speaker 6 (02:43:55):
The guy did was nothing Right.
We're just standing in the shop.

Speaker 8 (02:43:59):
Yeah, good to see you .
We thought we'd stop in and sayhi.

Speaker 5 (02:44:03):
So we run back down to the Harley shop.
Yeah, we walk into the salesguy sitting in his office, you
know whatever, and he was likeback already.
I said, yep, ready to go.
The lady comes up and goes.
Man, that was fast.

Speaker 8 (02:44:15):
He goes only cause I got a Charlie.
I got a Charlie, Make sure Iget it done.

Speaker 5 (02:44:20):
We're all about proficiency.
Get it done, get it done, getit going Bank, and then I left
him and then he rode the newgirl home.
Oh, you did, you rode home.

Speaker 8 (02:44:31):
Oh shit, the fairy fucking godmother ain't going to
ride at home.

Speaker 3 (02:44:36):
I mean, what the rush ?
I don't know.
He, this motherfucker, don'thave his bike yet.

Speaker 7 (02:44:40):
Well, they had to wait to go do the appraisal on
the other one oh okay, all right.

Speaker 8 (02:44:43):
So we got held up.
I kind of got screwed.
I think I'm a trade in.
I think it should have been.
I think, I could have sold itfor four outright, but you know,
hey, it got me where.

Speaker 5 (02:44:53):
I wanted to go.
Do you want to?
Do you want to sit there andhassle over 500 bucks though?
Yeah, right.

Speaker 4 (02:44:59):
I mean you deal, you know, you try and put it on
marketplace and you deal withjust the entire kickers and
stupid question.
It's a waste of time, yeah.

Speaker 8 (02:45:07):
So you know, I went in there and she's like hey, do
you want to go through your bankor you want to go through
Harley?
Now, let's go through, I'll trythrough, harley, I don't care.
She's like what's your creditscore?
And I told her she said usuallyHarleys is a little bit higher
and it was, and so after all Iwas done, I paid nine for it.

(02:45:28):
My payments one 78 a month.

Speaker 5 (02:45:32):
Oh, so it's.
It's literally like $10 more amonth.
It's $10 more than old.

Speaker 8 (02:45:36):
You don't have to put anything down and I didn't have
to do anything other than the367 to pay my old bike.

Speaker 5 (02:45:42):
But you were talking about putting two, three
thousand.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 8 (02:45:46):
Cause I was.
I wanted to get it down intothat one 64 price range, you
know for my payment, and wroteit home.
It's got everything Heateddrips, cruise, cruise, radio,
it's got a Bluetooth radio?

Speaker 5 (02:46:00):
Yeah, same, same, same.

Speaker 8 (02:46:05):
When I got a thing is just a one generation older and
then it's got the airsuspension kind of thing.
Nice, nice.

Speaker 7 (02:46:12):
I'm happy for Torpex, I'll buy a saddle bag.

Speaker 5 (02:46:16):
I'll set up pod speakers on the saddle.

Speaker 8 (02:46:18):
Got that Torpex.
Yeah, if you need.
If you need road pads, let meknow.

Speaker 7 (02:46:23):
Yeah, I'll put it on yours.
Nope, mine had road pads.

Speaker 5 (02:46:27):
You're saying pictures of your bike, just in
case you want to look at themagain.

Speaker 8 (02:46:30):
Mine had road pads, had the, the or the LED lights
on the front, Cause I'm are allthe things I was going to
upgrade to, you know.
So I probably saved myself five600 bucks in just that bullshit
.

Speaker 5 (02:46:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (02:46:45):
You know I do got to get handlebars because they're
like the old drama handlebarsthat had a bite, that had the
new handlebars that you down byyour by your waist, yeah.

Speaker 5 (02:46:56):
First thing I did was get rid of mine, cause I'm
sitting there riding it likethis yeah, Rather than riding it
like this.
Man doesn't make when I put mytenor tries bars on man, that's
what I'm going to do Six speed.

Speaker 2 (02:47:06):
Hey Charlie, can you ride your bike with no
handlebars?

Speaker 5 (02:47:09):
I can actually cannot because I don't have cruise
control.
If I had cruise, I could takemy hands off the handlebars.
Lady Jen's on the back,absolutely not.
She will know she doesn't evenhardly like what I'm doing at
one handed yeah.

Speaker 8 (02:47:23):
So, but yeah, got that, got that.

Speaker 5 (02:47:27):
I do a lot of things well, one handed Like jerking.

Speaker 8 (02:47:31):
I pulled this beer.
That is not a beer, that is apepsi light.

Speaker 5 (02:47:39):
I had.
I had a bottle of water earlier.
He hydrated.
Roy had, I don't know, some BFSor whatever.
Some bullshit.
He was drinking earliersomething to rehydrate after a
run or some shitty drink.

Speaker 8 (02:47:51):
What's wine?
How the fuck is he running ifthe cops ain't chasing?

Speaker 3 (02:47:54):
me.
Good job, roy, look at him.

Speaker 5 (02:47:56):
I was like I know he's the most fit dude in the
way.
He's a stunt.

Speaker 3 (02:48:01):
He's a fucking specimen right here.
That's why I said he's, he's.

Speaker 8 (02:48:05):
You're in your semen specimen?
I'm not sure.

Speaker 2 (02:48:10):
You know we've got some really non-homosexual Roy,
give me a run for my money.

Speaker 3 (02:48:15):
I had to step my game up.
I don't get the tip, Look ityou look like a haji.

Speaker 8 (02:48:21):
He's way fucking sexy than a haji Anyhow well there
was this one chick.

Speaker 3 (02:48:26):
You look like the fucking monopoly guy.

Speaker 8 (02:48:28):
I don't know.
He just needs the oracle, orwhatever they call it.

Speaker 5 (02:48:32):
Monocle, yeah, the monocle, monocle, monocle, the
doctacle you shut up and pushyou to work more.

Speaker 8 (02:48:40):
And yes, that inventory system seems to be
working, so thank you.

Speaker 5 (02:48:46):
What, what you like a good dad joke, right, everybody
here likes a good dad joke.
So everybody's on tic-tac.
I'm assuming Tim has a flipphone, so he doesn't.
So there's, he's like threeguys.
They do like the quiet hunting.

Speaker 7 (02:49:02):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 8 (02:49:03):
They're kind of whispering.

Speaker 5 (02:49:05):
So I absolutely love those fucking guys.
Fucking shit, they say, cracksme up, and one of the best ones
is what side of a turkey has themost feathers?

Speaker 2 (02:49:14):
The outside.

Speaker 5 (02:49:15):
Damn you.
You saw that one.
I just hate how never you'relike the outside.
Hey that's alcohol abuse.
It's mine, I can do what I want.
Bingo, because we are at.

Speaker 8 (02:49:27):
AJ Sky.

Speaker 5 (02:49:28):
Lounge, obviously, yeah, I forgot the white sharpie
for the new sign here.
I want to have everybody signit when they come up.
So, roy, this isn't a one-time,one-pump chump for you, but you
got to come up here again.

Speaker 8 (02:49:42):
I hope you enjoyed this.
This is awesome.

Speaker 5 (02:49:45):
This is what we do at the Pulse.
We just sit around and bullshitabout all kinds of fun stuff
and it was good to see you atthe meeting.

Speaker 8 (02:49:50):
It really was, I'm glad.
Sorry about the shit show wehad going on during it, but uh
hey.

Speaker 5 (02:49:57):
I'm glad you're uh your wife.

Speaker 3 (02:50:00):
Don't put the pimp hand down and the smack on you
right.

Speaker 5 (02:50:04):
Glad she gave me some some slack on my leash.

Speaker 3 (02:50:07):
These two get the, they get, they get the pimp hand
down.

Speaker 7 (02:50:11):
She's here surprising me.
Now I'm surprised.

Speaker 5 (02:50:13):
I'm surprised Brent's still here.
Me too, I know right, me too.

Speaker 3 (02:50:18):
Your wife must be out of town visiting her relatives
or something.

Speaker 5 (02:50:21):
No, oh, you laid the law down, Did you, and said I'll
be home when I get home.
No, just put it on the calendar.
That's the secret.
You went like five to 10.

Speaker 3 (02:50:32):
No, no, I'll tell you what he did.
He grew four inches of dick andput it down.
I didn't need to do that.
After that, she was like youcan do whatever you want.
Yeah, whatever you want, youjust keep writing on the
calendar babe.
Just keep writing on thecalendar.
Write on the calendar to getput those extra four inches in.

Speaker 7 (02:50:49):
Oh, that's right, it is Valentine's.

Speaker 8 (02:50:52):
Day.

Speaker 3 (02:50:53):
Wow, is that romantic today.

Speaker 5 (02:50:56):
In case you forgot, I actually picked up flowers and
took them out to her at work.

Speaker 2 (02:51:00):
That is awesome.

Speaker 5 (02:51:01):
She doesn't like flowers she actually as kind of
pointless.
They just die in a week anyway.

Speaker 7 (02:51:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (02:51:08):
But, it's a nice job.

Speaker 5 (02:51:11):
We don't really celebrate it.
There's no cards.

Speaker 3 (02:51:14):
That's why she's wearing a red, because it's
fucking bad Valentine's.

Speaker 8 (02:51:17):
Day.

Speaker 6 (02:51:18):
It happens to be red.

Speaker 8 (02:51:19):
Valentine's Day is kind of like a fake holiday.

Speaker 5 (02:51:22):
It's like Swedish Day .
I don't know whatever the hellthat is.
It's like a Hallmark.

Speaker 8 (02:51:27):
Hallmark fucking bullshit.

Speaker 2 (02:51:30):
They always used to call it singles awareness day.

Speaker 8 (02:51:35):
Because, if you only do that on one day.
Shame on you.
If you have a good woman thatyou're with you should do that
365.
What buy her flowers every day?
No, no, we need a trader good,a appreciator Flowers don't
appreciate her.

Speaker 3 (02:51:54):
Some women like to get treated like a fucking slut.

Speaker 6 (02:51:57):
Slap around Jesus Christ.

Speaker 2 (02:51:59):
We're back on that.

Speaker 3 (02:52:01):
Okay, I'll just joke it, I'm going to get his cancer
those aren't the ones you'rewith.

Speaker 2 (02:52:06):
This podcast is marked explicit for a reason.

Speaker 3 (02:52:09):
We even have a disclaimer at the beginning.
That's true.
I was just joking, ladies, Justjoking.

Speaker 5 (02:52:15):
So that's just one of those things that we never
really celebrated.
So we do like a date night onThursday night.

Speaker 8 (02:52:23):
Then they go to the bowling alley.
We go out to dinner.

Speaker 5 (02:52:26):
So once a month I got a bowl.
But we go out every Thursday dodinner and just kind of hang
out Because we're fucking busy,I mean I had You're busy.
We had real cat meeting lastnight.
We had this tonight.
Monday was darts, tomorrownight's date night.
Friday night's 50-50.
Saturday's bowling, sunday'smeeting.
It's just always freaking busy.

Speaker 3 (02:52:47):
Yep, yep, I know so we just don't ever?

Speaker 5 (02:52:53):
Yeah, we don't ever.

Speaker 3 (02:52:54):
just I'm curious what my wife's gonna say when she
gets back here.
You see how busy, you are.

Speaker 8 (02:53:01):
You just put it down.
I will you let her know.

Speaker 5 (02:53:06):
Put all four inches down and let her know.

Speaker 8 (02:53:08):
You just need to whip it out and just you let her
know who's the dad.
I mean, she is like 22.
True, oh sure, I'm pretty good.

Speaker 7 (02:53:16):
Yep.

Speaker 5 (02:53:19):
I could make a really bad comment.

Speaker 6 (02:53:21):
I'm gonna refrain from what I'm gonna say.

Speaker 5 (02:53:25):
Just in case, just in case.

Speaker 3 (02:53:29):
There's a song called that, just in Case.
Yes, yes, so we don't want toget kicked off of Spotify.
We already can't make it on thefucking Apple fucking podcast.
Why?

Speaker 2 (02:53:41):
Because Apple's fucking stupid.
You were too raunchy, it's toohorrible.

Speaker 3 (02:53:46):
Seriously no, because this cocksucker can't figure it
out.

Speaker 2 (02:53:51):
And you, cocksucker, said that you were gonna figure
it out for me.

Speaker 5 (02:53:54):
You didn't tell me you were number one.
Wait a minute.
That's probably another one ofthose things he hasn't done yet
that's another one of those.

Speaker 3 (02:53:59):
The dog ate my homework fucking.

Speaker 7 (02:54:02):
Why didn't they know about this?

Speaker 9 (02:54:05):
Don't try to sound like an everyday text in order
for him to find it there onTwitter.

Speaker 3 (02:54:11):
I'm a busy man, god damn it, I am a busy man Listen
I completely.
I called Charlie today.
Today.
What is today?
Wednesday?
I called Charlie today.
I was like, oh fuck, monday, Iforgot about 50-50.
He was like, ah, don't worryabout it.
I was like, no, I felt fuckingterrible.

(02:54:31):
I was up in Scottville though.

Speaker 5 (02:54:33):
Trying to get our new place over.
Well, I was sitting there rightat Darts playing Darts.

Speaker 8 (02:54:37):
God damn I'm sorry.

Speaker 6 (02:54:38):
I'm a little trance coming in.

Speaker 5 (02:54:40):
I'm like, oh, there's only like 30 people here
shooting.

Speaker 8 (02:54:43):
Shem said something about.
I didn't hear him.
I didn't come to say anythingto me.
Why was there?
I?

Speaker 6 (02:54:46):
was like I was in Shepherd.

Speaker 5 (02:54:47):
I was arguing with them, fucking idiots yeah
there's only like 30 people upthere shooting right now.
So because it's the end of theyear and a lot of teams bought
after the tournament, theybought their rest of the season.
They just pay their leak feeand they don't show up anymore
Because of the way Vegas workedand states worked, michigan
State Darts tournament worked.
This year it's kind of a littlebit different, but anyway, so

(02:55:08):
it's not really worth doing.

Speaker 3 (02:55:10):
Yeah, I know, but I just, you know, still it's going
to be like 50 bucks.
I know I felt bad A lot oftickets were going to waste for
50 bucks.
I felt bad.
I did feel bad about it.

Speaker 5 (02:55:19):
No, you did, it was funny that you called me and I
was like yeah.
I was wondering what was up.

Speaker 3 (02:55:24):
Yeah, and I was up in Scottville.
We're trying to get our newdisbo up and going.

Speaker 7 (02:55:28):
How did that work?

Speaker 3 (02:55:29):
go.
Oh man, it looks fucking great.
At least the plumber showed up.
Finally, right, finally.

Speaker 7 (02:55:34):
What's that?
Is it wired?
Do you have a problem out there?

Speaker 3 (02:55:38):
No, I need it.
Fucking shem, fucking shem.
Get your bitch ass up there andget my fucking network going.
He said he was up there doingit.

Speaker 5 (02:55:47):
He said it was going to be there on Sunday or
something.

Speaker 3 (02:55:49):
He did go up there he put up a couple of fucking
cameras, ran a wire he said ifyou need help, let me know.

Speaker 7 (02:55:54):
That's what I do.

Speaker 5 (02:55:55):
Yeah, hey, just so you know, he'll line you up and
then he'll call you the daybefore and say don't worry about
it, oh so I'm not.

Speaker 3 (02:56:03):
So if you go by, thousands of dollars worth of
shit he'll then call you the daybefore you said you were
pulling that out of thewarehouse.

Speaker 5 (02:56:10):
Yeah, my supply house Straight down the road.
It's called FergusonEnterprises.
I go buy shit there, did you?

Speaker 3 (02:56:17):
put it back on there.
Did you take it back?

Speaker 5 (02:56:19):
We're funding, I only get 70%.
Yeah, there's a restock fee, soI still lose money, but it's
not going to be.

Speaker 3 (02:56:27):
Let me know, let me know I'll get you.

Speaker 8 (02:56:31):
So just so everybody knows.

Speaker 9 (02:56:32):
I feel terrible, I feel bad.
Oh, it's your son.
Roll the name.
He's trying to make me feellike shit it was working.

Speaker 5 (02:56:38):
No I don't know I don't pay anything, because I
didn't pay anything out.
It was real good.

Speaker 8 (02:56:45):
So just so everybody knows, 11 typewriter, formerly
known as Trey, he is T-Bone, heis T-Bone, yep, he is the Pablo
Escobar of the cannabis businessin Isabella County.
Okay, so, legally legally,though, but he's still Pablo

(02:57:08):
Escobar, kind of looks like.
If you had curly hair.
It was a little batteredracially and ambiguous.

Speaker 3 (02:57:28):
I don't know maybe if you took your hat off, it
wouldn't be so Well, I don't letmy hair get this long, but I
think it looks good, I'm lettingit go.
I'm like fuck it, I'm tired ofcutting my hair.
I'm just going to let it go,see what happens Me too.

Speaker 7 (02:57:41):
Mine's going to look like you could have a whole
hogan going.

Speaker 8 (02:57:46):
I could be like whole hogan.

Speaker 5 (02:57:50):
It's just that large string of shit in the back and
nothing on top.
Yeah, yeah, I was about you,the red boots and the little
banana head.
I was going to say, oh, maybe,hey, fucking yeah, halloween,
sir, going for Halloween nextyear.

Speaker 8 (02:58:05):
Too many U-turns on the bedsheets.

Speaker 5 (02:58:08):
Go to the top right off.

Speaker 3 (02:58:12):
Wait a minute, hold on, I want to play this.

Speaker 5 (02:58:14):
Brent's like.
Brent's like what do you mean?
U-turns on the bedsheets?
No shit, she has no idea.
I'm a real.

Speaker 3 (02:58:20):
American Besides for the rights of everyone.
That fucking whole hogan'stheme song.
That could be you, tim.
Every time you walk in thefucking BMW, press a button.

Speaker 5 (02:58:37):
Yeah, yeah, real American, you could play it over
the speed.
Yeah, you could jump on AMI andplay as you're walking in.

Speaker 3 (02:58:43):
Yeah, so we asked the bandana with your long hair.

Speaker 8 (02:58:47):
We just pulled up this WWF.

Speaker 5 (02:58:49):
I used to call it as kid E or whatever.
But is that still a big thingin the military?
Because, like Jen and I, we hadbase housing or whatever, but
we'd have parties to watch, notjust WrestleMania but Monday
night, ron, whatever, all thosedifferent my guys never did that
.
Yes, we had a party, Tim, andit was Monday night, Rob, and it

(02:59:14):
was not what you're thinking.
It was wrestling.

Speaker 6 (02:59:17):
I'm just letting you know.
I know where you're going.
You're saying laugh and saywe're going to send you a
message.

Speaker 5 (02:59:25):
Thursday night thunder, whatever the fuck they
were doing, I mean because youknew exactly where the theme
music was, just hearing it.

Speaker 4 (02:59:33):
So I grew up as a kid like my dad watched wrestling
seven days a week.
I just grew up around it,that's all we ever watched He'd
go to work.
He'd come home.
As soon as he got home He'dturn on TV and there was
wrestling.
There was Monday night Raw,there was Tuesday night,
wednesday night, there wasThursday night.

Speaker 8 (02:59:51):
There was.

Speaker 4 (02:59:53):
WWF and there was WCW .
Yeah, WCW.

Speaker 8 (02:59:55):
They were constantly going to get.

Speaker 4 (02:59:56):
So each night of the week there was something going
on and my dad he was so investedthat he had his guys that he
liked and I remember as a kidback then I never realized.
But now you get older man hewould get so pissed off Like
when somebody would come out andstart cheating, like he would
fucking come on down as a kid,you're just like scripting.

(03:00:19):
It was not right, but as a kidyou were normal, and now you
look back at it.
It's like you guys didn't knowwrestling.

Speaker 8 (03:00:28):
He was fucking into it.
You guys didn't know wrestlinguntil you watched it in the 70s.
Man Bobo Brazil, I am I am Well, you got iron sheet.

Speaker 4 (03:00:39):
Jimmy Sugarfly Snooker.

Speaker 6 (03:00:41):
Yep, barbara Beefcake , tex McKenzie, they had a Ted D
Biasi hey hey hey, hey, settledown, you guys don't need boners
in the sky lounge To do alittle bit the jewelers here.

Speaker 8 (03:00:58):
Fanfare of Furful.
You had the claw, the Garfio,he called it.
He grabbed your hand and all ofa sudden you started bleeding.
Wild man from the Brazilianjungle.
Bushlockers, yeah, bushlockers.

Speaker 4 (03:01:13):
Pax on Jim Duggan oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (03:01:15):
Yeah, so I was.
I was never really intowrestling but lately, after he
retired, I got to watching someof the Undertaker.

Speaker 8 (03:01:25):
You know he's badass, he's a big bitch, monster guy.

Speaker 5 (03:01:30):
Remember what his manager's name was?

Speaker 2 (03:01:33):
Paul Bear.

Speaker 5 (03:01:35):
Paul.

Speaker 3 (03:01:35):
Bear.

Speaker 6 (03:01:35):
Yeah, yeah.
He had some of the best badassentrances too.

Speaker 4 (03:01:43):
Kane is like the mayor of Knoxville, tennessee,
or something.

Speaker 5 (03:01:47):
But that's like supposed to be his brother,
right?

Speaker 6 (03:01:49):
Right, like that was the story plot.

Speaker 8 (03:01:51):
Yeah, I mean, and he's a huge- he's like 611.
Well, you guys know, george,the Animal Steel, yeah.

Speaker 5 (03:01:57):
Yeah, school teacher.
He used to freaking eatturnbuckles.
He was a school teacher hegraduated from Central Michigan.

Speaker 8 (03:02:03):
Yeah, look at that, holy shit.

Speaker 4 (03:02:07):
The Steiner Brothers, didn't they go?

Speaker 8 (03:02:09):
to Steiner Steiner.

Speaker 6 (03:02:10):
Bay City, bay City.

Speaker 3 (03:02:12):
Yeah, yeah.
You know who else from Bay CityFucking Madonna, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 5 (03:02:18):
Look at that.

Speaker 8 (03:02:19):
That bitch ain't been a virgin since she's been five
Her.

Speaker 4 (03:02:22):
Her, my God.

Speaker 5 (03:02:25):
I'm not sure if I'm going to go out of bounds for
this podcast for sure but, herher mom and dad have a winery up
in Travis City.

Speaker 8 (03:02:29):
It's called Chaconne Her mom and dad does yeah.

Speaker 5 (03:02:32):
Oh really, Yep Chaconne.

Speaker 8 (03:02:35):
She did well, she did well.

Speaker 5 (03:02:38):
We actually, we actually, we go out for family
stuff every year.

Speaker 3 (03:02:40):
That's actually their last name, chaconne or
something like that.
Oh, is it.

Speaker 6 (03:02:45):
Yeah, that's her last name, yeah.
C-i-c-c-o-n-e or something likethat or Ni or whatever.

Speaker 5 (03:02:51):
Yeah, pretty good, pretty good wines, jeff Daniels.
What's the family every year upthere?

Speaker 2 (03:02:55):
There's a decent, there's a decent number of
people from from Michigan andJeff Daniels.

Speaker 5 (03:03:00):
Jeff Daniels is a great famous one man.
He's come back here in MountPleasant before.

Speaker 8 (03:03:04):
Charlie's got him on his fucking wall.

Speaker 5 (03:03:05):
I do Actually.

Speaker 4 (03:03:08):
Didn't they just come when they did the concerts on?

Speaker 5 (03:03:10):
Main Street, downtown .
Yeah, yeah, so he, yeah.
So his dumb and dumber wherehe's sitting on the shitter Like
holding on to feeder in the air, he's screaming, you know,
because he got the eye drops orwhatever in his low eat or
whatever.
Oh, yeah, yeah, I was doing thelice of thing.

Speaker 2 (03:03:24):
Yeah, so that's as a plumber, that's got to be my
thing right.

Speaker 5 (03:03:28):
So I have the I got the three by the same diameter,
that size hanging on my wall.

Speaker 2 (03:03:33):
In the in the office.
Yeah, in our podcast chat.
I sent that to you.
It was a picture of how you'dtest your work when it's been
done.

Speaker 6 (03:03:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (03:03:41):
Electrician was a you know the streamer, the
screaming shits, screaming shits.
That's how we make sure itflushes that rag Damn.

Speaker 8 (03:03:48):
I'll tell you what but?
Yeah, when you get my age, twothings you don't fuck with A
hard on or a fart.
Yeah, you don't trust eitherone of them.
Don't trust either one of them.
Don't waste a hard on, don'ttrust a fart.
It's just just the way it is.

Speaker 5 (03:04:08):
Did you ever waste a hard on a Jeep?

Speaker 8 (03:04:10):
No, no, you didn't, no, no.

Speaker 5 (03:04:14):
Panamanian goats.
There is best friend, there'sthe goats.

Speaker 7 (03:04:21):
There's, the goats are coming back.

Speaker 5 (03:04:23):
No, kid Joe, you look jealous, huh, you look jealous
over there.
Oh, I'm good.

Speaker 2 (03:04:31):
Anytime that motherfucker touches an ethernet
cable, he gets a boner.

Speaker 7 (03:04:34):
Oh, I know Okay so.
My boners.

Speaker 8 (03:04:38):
Small ones.

Speaker 7 (03:04:40):
Ask her First satisfied.

Speaker 2 (03:04:43):
Oh damn.
Has it, that's not that's not.

Speaker 5 (03:04:45):
That's not.
Maybe it's a personality.

Speaker 3 (03:04:47):
He just said ask her.
So we're asking to have them.

Speaker 8 (03:04:51):
He gives her a, he gives her a snicker, a vault, a
vault.

Speaker 3 (03:04:56):
A vault?
It's not a vault.

Speaker 7 (03:04:58):
Oh.

Speaker 5 (03:04:59):
I didn't hear vault.

Speaker 7 (03:05:00):
Yes, that's how I was introduced.

Speaker 3 (03:05:05):
You put it out there, joe, just saying Of course I
did Look at her.

Speaker 5 (03:05:09):
You know what Most.

Speaker 3 (03:05:11):
She looks so thirsty.

Speaker 6 (03:05:14):
Don't tell Joe shit, god damn it.

Speaker 7 (03:05:19):
Joe, you don't have to tell me, I'll just find it so
who you vote for for president.

Speaker 3 (03:05:25):
This election, johnny Cash, anybody but Trump.

Speaker 8 (03:05:28):
Okay.

Speaker 5 (03:05:30):
Just made a super bowl out of.
Let me ask you a question whydo you yes, why do?

Speaker 6 (03:05:33):
you hate independent.

Speaker 3 (03:05:36):
I guess Republicans so so much.
They have no empathy.
It's not you know whatEverything is.
Uh, the way that they says, sayit's supposed to be.
Now, don't get me wrong.
I don't think fucking Democratsare that great.
They really aren't.
Listen, I look at lifeEverything, everything,

(03:06:01):
everything.
And you guys are going to.

Speaker 5 (03:06:03):
You guys are going to Turn it up A different kind of
way to say it.
I've got a couple of questions.
I'm going to look at everything.

Speaker 3 (03:06:12):
Through the lens, through the lens of a black man
in America.
Everything, everything, Ilooked through that lens.
There's a reason I do that, butI don't think we have time to
get into.

Speaker 8 (03:06:24):
What side of that?
Is it your left eye or yourright eye?

Speaker 3 (03:06:27):
Both eyes, buddy, Both eyes so um, but in
Republicans, I guess, are To me,uh, and it's gotten worse
Lately just openly cruel, Cruel.
It's a people period.

Speaker 5 (03:06:49):

Speaker 2 (03:06:50):
So I think the farther the right and left
people go.

Speaker 5 (03:06:54):
The more yes yeah, yeah, so out of the last Three
presidents to have beenDemocrats, so you're talking 12.

Speaker 3 (03:07:06):
No, no, to have been Republicans.
Oh no, you're right, you'reright, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 5 (03:07:11):
Eight years of Obama, yeah, you got four years of
Biden, so many years of that's12.

Speaker 6 (03:07:15):
Yeah, four years of Trump, yeah right.

Speaker 5 (03:07:17):
So you have 16 years of presidents.
Overwhelming majority have beenby a Democrat and Majority of
that has been from a blackpresident.
So If you have a concern as anAfrican-American, Mm-hmm.

(03:07:38):
How come your problems aren'tbetter when all that time has
been majority served by underyeah Democrat and or in that as
a black listen?
Everything should be Rosie andPete Well.

Speaker 3 (03:07:55):
I can.
I can tell you this and what.
What I think is far as go ahead, roy well, I'm so Technically.

Speaker 4 (03:08:03):
Let's give Obama four years, because when you go,
when you go from red to blue, it, those first four years are a
cat and mouse game of, you know,one party changing everything
that the last party did.
So the first four years are awash.

Speaker 5 (03:08:17):
Okay, so you saw.

Speaker 4 (03:08:18):
So she saw, I mean he was still there, but it's, it's
such it's so stupid.

Speaker 3 (03:08:23):
Well, not only that, and he's trying to get away from
doing that too.
He's trying he's trying to getelected a second term right, so
he can't be seen Favouringthat's.

Speaker 5 (03:08:37):
That's in what constituents are, are you not
supposed?

Speaker 3 (03:08:40):
to do is we're all Americans, not just black
Americans.

Speaker 8 (03:08:44):
They were all Americans well, just something
that I see you think if it's aRepublican uh-huh it's anti all
Americans.

Speaker 3 (03:08:56):
I think it's yes, I do, I do.
I think they're more concernedabout their donors and who get.
And again, don't get me wrong,I believe Democrats are the same
fucking way.

Speaker 5 (03:09:10):
So why would you hear here?
So why were you so biased oneway and not the other?
When you admit it's both ways,hold on here's here's here's the
the difference here.

Speaker 3 (03:09:20):
Is that.

Speaker 2 (03:09:22):
Into two different worlds because I want to know
why.

Speaker 3 (03:09:24):
Republicans, republicans openly like our
hostile against, againstanything other than the
Established narrative of America, which is America first.
Rich white men, no, rich whitemen yes and then.
But.
But Democrats Promise, promise,promise, never deliver.

Speaker 6 (03:09:49):
So promise, promise.
So that, why do you still votefor?

Speaker 5 (03:09:51):
what's that?
What do you still?

Speaker 3 (03:09:52):
vote for him Because I hope for the day that they
actually deliver.

Speaker 5 (03:09:56):
You hand me a hundred.
You hand me a hundred dollars,I'm gonna make your life better
tomorrow and I'm gonna come backto you tomorrow and ask for
another hundred dollars and tellyou that tomorrow is gonna be
better for you.
Mm-hmm, keep doing it.

Speaker 3 (03:10:08):
Well and that's if you're that gullible.
That's another criticism I haveabout Democrats is that that
they promise, promise, promise.
They also enable, enable.
They enable people who Arecomfortable on the bottom to
stay on the right.

(03:10:28):
They enable that right.
They do, absolutely they do.
And that's a criticism I haveof Of of Democrats.
And then you have these peoplethat are extreme left, which is
which is AOC, the squad extremeleft.
I mean Imagine if, imagine ifhaven't heard about them lately

(03:10:54):
if, if, if those people on theextreme left Got a hold of power
, what would happen to America?
But I'll give you, I'll giveyou what if those people that
are on the extreme right be thesame way.

Speaker 8 (03:11:09):
Be fucked up.
We're.
What are they called?

Speaker 2 (03:11:13):
We're talking caucus right now, those fuckers that
have been 16 of them that havebeen just fucking holding
everything up, yeah.

Speaker 3 (03:11:20):
I Ride the middle.
I really do, I really do, and Ihave criticisms on both left
and the right.

Speaker 5 (03:11:27):
Let me ask you this question.
Uh-huh was last time you votedfor a Republican, so you can't
call yourself down the phone.

Speaker 3 (03:11:34):
Hold on hold on.
Hold on hold on.

Speaker 4 (03:11:36):
I've.

Speaker 5 (03:11:37):
I've city or Like state or not, or I'm talking a
national, okay.

Speaker 3 (03:11:43):
Cuz I mean, I was gonna say I've I've voted for
Republicans.
Whenever I vote, I Vote forsome Republicans and I vote for
some Democrats.
I do.

Speaker 4 (03:11:54):
Because I do the same so you're not, as you're not a
straight ticket right?

Speaker 3 (03:11:57):
No, you know what?
And.

Speaker 5 (03:11:59):
I don't think I should be allowed.
Exactly, I don't vote that way.
You should check every fuckingbox, cuz.

Speaker 3 (03:12:03):
I think I was going to vote in a primary right and
they were like you have to voteeither all Democrat or all
Republican.

Speaker 5 (03:12:11):
I was like well, you talk primaries, or that way.

Speaker 3 (03:12:14):
Yeah, I know I said, but but still I was like how the
fuck are you gonna?

Speaker 4 (03:12:18):
write, give me the choice of what I want to do.

Speaker 3 (03:12:19):
Give me the choice of what I don't.
Give a fuck if this is aprimary or not.
Primaries are always that way.
Yeah, I know I know, I know itis, but it's not right, I know.

Speaker 6 (03:12:28):
I don't, yeah, yeah, I don't like it either.

Speaker 5 (03:12:30):
Yeah, yes, okay.

Speaker 8 (03:12:33):
I got it.
Quick question hey, it's Lisa'sgonna be.
One fucking part In the lastfour years was your, was your,
and I'm not gonna say your wasAmerica better under Trump.
That's been under Biden.

Speaker 3 (03:12:53):
In what way?

Speaker 2 (03:12:55):
In any way you can think of it was.

Speaker 8 (03:12:57):
America in better hands when.

Speaker 5 (03:13:02):
Doesn't matter housing economy security,
whatever I Would say Anythingyou like, both.

Speaker 3 (03:13:13):
I would say both.
Both administrations have theircriticisms.

Speaker 8 (03:13:19):
Ah, that's not.
That's not the fucking question.

Speaker 3 (03:13:21):
Quit fucking with test-dance around a motherfucker
and I, okay, and I can tell you, and I'm just trying to think
about it Because, listen, what I, what I've told some of my
contractors that do some of thework for me, is listen, don't
take my word for it, because mymemory cannot be trusted me to.
Yeah, don't trust my memory,because so let's make a phone

(03:13:43):
call and see what, what, what wetalked about but, Things have
been just fine.
Just fine under Biden.

Speaker 8 (03:13:55):
They have been just fine so you enjoy paying Almost
four dollars a gallon for gas.
Oh, you got an electric vehicle, that's right.
Oh, my wife has a, okay.
So when Trump was in office,what was gas?
Dollar two bucks.

Speaker 2 (03:14:11):
Let me ask him a question.

Speaker 8 (03:14:12):
Hold on, he's not gonna answer my question hey,
yes, no, he's that so.
Listen.
Um no, we're not picking on you.

Speaker 3 (03:14:21):
Yes, no, no, no, yes, here's because I listen and for
the people listening, I am.
I am the most liberal person.

Speaker 5 (03:14:27):
Yes, he is.
He calls himself down themiddle right, I am, I lean
liberal.

Speaker 3 (03:14:33):
I lean liberal heavy.

Speaker 8 (03:14:34):
I lean American.

Speaker 5 (03:14:37):
You're fucking.
You're fucking Harley, don't.
Can't it make a left turn?
You gotta go around Fuckingleft turns all the time.

Speaker 3 (03:14:48):
So People and it's usually people on the left
Always have this, this saypresidents don't determine gas
prices.
I say bullshit.
Bullshit because because assoon as a Republican gets in the

(03:15:12):
office, drill.
I can drill, everything drilleverywhere drill and guess who
gets scared OPEC?
Opec's like oh shit, yeah, sothey lower the fucking, they
lower their oil price.

Speaker 8 (03:15:25):
What is that?
Who does that help?

Speaker 3 (03:15:29):
It helps the American people?
Yes, of course, absolutely so.

Speaker 5 (03:15:32):
So I'm gonna wear around gas real quick.
What do you think hurts the lowincome bottom of the barrel
people worse?

Speaker 7 (03:15:41):
Gas Because?
Because don't no?

Speaker 5 (03:15:44):
offense.
Like a guy like you or me orRoy or whoever.
They make 50,000 to $200,000 ayear, you think we care doesn't
hurt as much.

Speaker 6 (03:15:54):
But if you're barely paying rent, if you know you
have to go spend $60 to fillyour car.

Speaker 5 (03:16:00):
You're robbing the $60 to me means nothing, right?
$60 means they, they're thepeople when you pull up to the
pump and you see $5, right fromthe person before you.
That person's hurting, unlessthe Granted.
There's times I roll up on thebike and I might put five bucks
in the top of the tank right orfill in something for the lawn,
more I get it, but right here itis fucking yeah, March yeah or

(03:16:24):
February.
We ride every now and again.
So yeah, you might see it.
But in the summertime, when yousee that all the time, or in
the winter time you see it allthe time.
You know that person scrapingchange and trying to pull change
out of the washing machine orthe dryer To fucking get five
gallons to try to work yes, yes,it hurts the air's low income
people so much worse.

(03:16:44):
They have so much less money tospend on anything else.

Speaker 2 (03:16:47):
Shouldn't they?
That's not even you know.
I'm getting to work and all ofthem.

Speaker 3 (03:16:52):
Shouldn't they pull themselves up by the bootstrap
and get it better?
I get it.

Speaker 2 (03:16:57):
No I how do they do that?
But how the hell are they gonna?
How are they gonna be able togo to college in?

Speaker 5 (03:17:04):
pay for a seven hundred dollar credit hour If
they can't hardly put five bucksin the gas tank to go to the
third, themselves up by thebootstrap.
Right, but if you want to, tryto help.
You want to try to helplow-income people See, but if
you want to try to helplow-income people and get
themselves out of it, and I'lllet you talk in a second.

(03:17:24):
I know these are people youwork with or for, but if you can
do anything to give them relief, don't make bread three dollars
a loaf.
Get it back to a buck.
Don't make gas four dollarsagain.

Speaker 3 (03:17:37):
The president has something to do with that, for
sure.

Speaker 2 (03:17:39):
Maybe, so for sure for sure.

Speaker 6 (03:17:43):
Why do you think the economy she could we're spending
on?

Speaker 5 (03:17:45):
we're spending a hundred thirty three million
dollars, or billion dollars, toukraine, right, we spend a
hundred thirty three billionhere saying, hey, man, you know
that sounds a whole lot likewelfare.

Speaker 9 (03:17:55):
See the thing about welfare you're gonna call it
corporate welfare.

Speaker 5 (03:17:58):
But you gotta remember who hires the people.
Corporate corporations,businesses hire the people,
right.

Speaker 3 (03:18:02):
So could you imagine if you got a tax break In these
in these republics, your girl,these republican policies of um,
what's the word?
Uh, trickle down economics.
That was that started by ronaldreagan.
Uh, how's that working out?
So, but once again, not well.
No, this is the same thingwe're not trickling down.

Speaker 5 (03:18:22):
This is the same thing where we said we said, we
said the hundred you know I lovethat brother.
We had a busy we sent 60billion to ukraine and cash.
We have no accountability of it, right.
So it's the same thing withtrickle down, right, we're gonna
give tax breaks and incentivesand dot-a-dot.
Right what are they actuallyspending the money on?
Are they reinvesting it,building a new building?

(03:18:43):
Because I tell you what, if Iput an expansion on this
building, it's not going to beplumber's here, it's going to be
carpenters and site guys andeverything else.
So that does trickle down.
It doesn't mean my employeesare going to make more an hour,
but I'm hiring contractors to dothe expansion or put the new.
Someone's got to build theequipment.
I'm putting in here Inspectionright.
So there's all these otherthings that go into a trickle

(03:19:06):
down when a business doesn'texpansion.

Speaker 7 (03:19:08):
It's hard for that to work right.
We have inflation Explodingwell.

Speaker 5 (03:19:13):
Shit that we used to buy for four dollars is forty
dollars.
Yeah right I.

Speaker 8 (03:19:18):
I just been, a project I just been a plump
basic plumbing mechanicalproject for the city of my
pleasant what do you do?

Speaker 5 (03:19:23):
a bath house.
Oh, my number was over ahundred thousand dollars.

Speaker 9 (03:19:28):
I was going to go back to the same people who have
are struggling to get gas intheir tank, are usually making
an okay amount, can barelyafford rent or anything, but
they go to apply for things likefood stamps or whatever and
they don't qualify because theydon't look at everything that
you're paying out, they look atyour gross income Yep gross.

Speaker 8 (03:19:47):
You make too much money.
Exactly so.
These same people arestruggling, can't get the help
because you got to be dead, nuts, nothing, poor, or in order to
get any help from the statemental health problems happening
you to stress and everything,amongst other things but at it.

Speaker 4 (03:20:03):
So michigan, and in children michigan is one of the
highest states in uh cost ofchildcare.
Yeah, it's ridiculous to addthat in.

Speaker 9 (03:20:12):
Yeah, but the mental health crisis that we have in
this country, absolutely, um, inorder to you know, even if you
have, you can't get into cmh,for example.

Speaker 5 (03:20:23):
Without having to say anything, so community mental
health.

Speaker 3 (03:20:25):
So listen, you have to have medicaid.
Who cut all the funding formental health in america?

Speaker 9 (03:20:30):
Don't ask me, I just don't.
Republicans keep going.
Well, I was going to say it,show me.

Speaker 3 (03:20:34):
Show me Look it up.

Speaker 5 (03:20:35):
I don't know.
I'll look it up In order to getinto community mental health.
It was republicans.
I say it's democrats.

Speaker 9 (03:20:42):
And my kids have been on it.
But in order to get my kids inthere, you have to practically
be killing yourself.

Speaker 5 (03:20:48):
It's ridiculous, right and I will tell you this
help or childcare is ridiculous.
When andy was little he wasborn in 06 and I had him in
full-time daycare.
You know he was shitting thediapers and doing doing the
stuff.
Back then it was like 185dollars a week, so it's 800
dollars a month essentially Justto put him in daycare when he

(03:21:12):
was little.
That's a mortgage payment twoparts talking to my buddy at
work two parts.

Speaker 8 (03:21:16):
What do you?
Pay for daycare he pays like20,000 a year.

Speaker 2 (03:21:19):
I pay 235 dollars a week per kid.

Speaker 5 (03:21:22):
Per kid I don't have one but so yeah, so over the top
ronald reagan Did what cutfunding for he's the only one.

Speaker 3 (03:21:30):
I mean he was a republican Administration, but
we'll see the only one I meanyeah, I mean he, yeah, pretty
much he killed, he killed it.

Speaker 8 (03:21:39):
Okay, but why didn't in america?
Why didn't clinton turn aroundand bring it back?

Speaker 3 (03:21:43):
because there's a because it's about money.
I mean listen.

Speaker 2 (03:21:48):
If you think it's not even about money for mental
health.
The reality is, we simply don'thave enough people to provide
that service.

Speaker 9 (03:21:54):
Well, there's that as well, but the stipulations that
they put on it to get help.

Speaker 3 (03:21:58):
I remember, I remember, and you're old enough
to remember.

Speaker 6 (03:22:02):
Whoa, don't be throwing that old shit at me.
All right we're gonna throw.

Speaker 3 (03:22:08):
To the main team I remember that they're being
Mental health in america.
Do you remember when this placewas open?

Speaker 8 (03:22:17):
You mean that place down there?

Speaker 5 (03:22:19):
No, where does state hold?
State hold yeah, I'm a statehome.

Speaker 3 (03:22:23):
Yeah and then when, fucking when um O'rana got in
there, all that funding in thatthing.
That place shut down.

Speaker 5 (03:22:33):
No that didn't shut down until 2000.
You could have terry andsunstone because he worked there
.
I heard neither dude.

Speaker 4 (03:22:40):
I heard going on in this house.

Speaker 8 (03:22:41):
Terri travis and suncio worked there before he
got a stage.

Speaker 5 (03:22:44):
I think it was under granholm mental health systems
acts 1980.

Speaker 3 (03:22:49):
Okay, so read it that was.

Speaker 5 (03:22:51):
That was my president .
What's it say jimmy carter?
Jimmy carter, hold on.

Speaker 3 (03:22:57):
Okay, which mental health president, ronald reagan,
who had major efforts duringhis government, is to reduce
funding and enlistment forcalifornia mental institutions.

Speaker 5 (03:23:06):
So believe me, yeah, okay, because he was and listen.
No, we're all good.

Speaker 3 (03:23:14):
I'm with you.

Speaker 6 (03:23:15):
I'm letting you know.

Speaker 3 (03:23:17):
I'm not far away, grandholm.

Speaker 5 (03:23:18):
Grandholm, I bet you was the governor when this yeah,
home should be here.
Here's something I want tothrow at you.

Speaker 8 (03:23:23):
This is what I think is bullshit and and I this is
personal to me that if you havea federal, if you have a felony
drug offense, you can't getStayed a.
And I understand that it's theindividuals reason, it's an
individual stain, it's theindividuals thing, but the

(03:23:48):
person.
But if that person, how do you,how do they get better if you
don't allow them to, to get theresources to get better?

Speaker 9 (03:23:57):
Oh, there's many areas in our outro system that
just doesn't work, right right.

Speaker 5 (03:24:02):
All right, so we're gonna.
We're gonna wrap up tonight'sepisode and and trey, we won't.
We're here about three hours.

Speaker 8 (03:24:08):
We're gonna keep going.
Yeah, we'll definitely be onthe next one.
So this this.
Within the next couple weeks,we'll have another one out.

Speaker 5 (03:24:15):
So we'll do the facebook live thing again.
Hopefully a couple peoplelisten up, Catch up.
But we'll be on spotify and acouple other things.
So if anybody has questions,comments concerns email us vfw
post 3033 at gmailcom or if youfollow us on facebook, make sure
you send us a message orsomething on there and we'll
bring up whatever your questionor concern is for our next one,

(03:24:38):
and uh, just just for the nextone.

Speaker 8 (03:24:40):
Again, we'd like to thank roi For being here today.
Absolutely, we hope to see youagain, young man.
Oh yeah, because that's awesome.
I hope you enjoyed it.
I hope you enjoyed it and seenhow the shit show works.
Yep, hey everybody, good nightfrom aj sky lounge.

(03:25:01):
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Lots of pepsi, pepsi, sorry andlove, love, love, love the
people you love.
Yeah, stay hydrated stayhydrated.

Speaker 3 (03:25:12):
Sounds very democrat Shoot.

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