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Introduction (00:01):
War is a paradox.
It has the power to bringnations together, to inspire
heroism and sacrifice and toforge bonds of camaraderie that
will span a lifetime, but italso has the power to tear
families apart, to shattercommunities and to leave scars
that will never fully heal.
And, for those who have served,the transition back to civilian
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life can be one of the greatestchallenges they will ever face.
This is the typical life ofmilitary veterans, a world that
is both familiar and foreign tomost of us.
It is a world that is shaped byunique experiences, values and
traditions of the military, andby the sacrifices and struggles
of those who have served, butit's also a world that is
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constantly changing, as newgenerations of veterans confront
new challenges and newopportunities.
Thank you for joining us atSoup Sandwich.
Dig your foxhole, heat up yourMRE and spend some time with us.
Brent Holbrook (01:02):
Hey everybody,
welcome back.
This is Brent Holbrook.
I'll be the host for today'sepisode.
Around the table, we've got afew people here.
If you want to go around andsay hello.
Tim Artibee (01:14):
Okay, I'm Tim
Artibee; Post Commander of
Borley Hanel Post 3033, in MountPleasant, Michigan.
and very important about Borelyand Handle they're both
guardsmen that went off to warduring World War I and didn't
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make it home.
Very proud to be the commanderof that post.
Charlie Cline (01:43):
Next we have I'm
Charlie Klein post member of
3033, and Rider's GroupPresident.
vice president Tray Porter,post 3033 member and riders
group vice president as well.
Joe Gates (02:00):
Joseph Gates post 33
member.
Riders group member, ad agent,webmaster and a raw tech geek.
Charlie Cline (02:08):
I've got a list.
I'd also like to add that I amthe most handsome member at post
3033.
Tim Artibee (02:13):
You do have the
sexiest voice.
I wouldn't say that.
Charlie Cline (02:19):
You have the face
for radio.
Tim Artibee (02:21):
You have the face
for radio.
You have the voice, he has thevoice and the face for radio.
Okay so here we are again today.
Ladies and gentlemen and sportsfans and all us great military
people.
A little disclaimer here theseare veterans that have colorful
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language.
We say things that's probablynot political or correct.
We swear, we cuss, we makejokes about each other.
We do a lot of stuff that mostnormal people would think that
that's not very nice.
Very off color, very off color.
Brent Holbrook (03:03):
NSFW not safe
for work.
Tim Artibee (03:06):
And so what I would
like to say, not without
headphones.
Brent Holbrook (03:10):
What.
Tim Artibee (03:10):
I would like to say
is this by no means our
opinions, are no mean theopinions of the VFW poorly
handled post 3033, theDepartment of Michigan or the
National VFW.
These are our opinions, that wedo and we argue about and we
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talk about and we laugh aboutand we mess with each other
about.
Charlie Cline (03:37):
And this
disclaimer goes back to our
previous podcast as well.
Tim Artibee (03:41):
Because I didn't
even say fuck yet.
So here we go.
So, please back, please enjoy,but don't sue us.
So let's do it, let's get going, let's go.
Brent Holbrook (03:53):
With that being
said, can I throw in a couple of
things?
Like you know, this podcast iscalled Soup Sandwich for a
reason.
Okay, so for those of you outthere who don't know the
terminology of soup sandwich,ask any military member or
veteran what that means, andtypically they'll come up with
something along the lines ofit's a mess, Because if you
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visualize a soup sandwich, apiece of bread, and you pour
soup on it and another piece ofbread, it is a giant mess.
There's no order.
There's no any kind of.
You know, that's not a shitsandwich.
Charlie Cline (04:28):
Shit sandwich
that's actually what it means.
Tim Artibee (04:32):
And we couldn't say
more fucked up than a run over
dog.
So we went with the politicallycorrect.
What's your other saying?
More fucked up than six guysblowing seven because someone's
got two dicks in their mouth.
Charlie Cline (04:45):
There it is.
That's what the disclaimer isfor.
That's good, they were here.
They were here.
They were here early.
Brent Holbrook (04:56):
But that's I
mean, you know when I actually a
little bit of information, likeI you know, charlie, here is
the writers group president, butalso the founder of our writers
group chapter.
Charlie Cline (05:09):
One of the one,
of the one of the one of the
that was actually a founder, ohis he as well.
Brent Holbrook (05:12):
Okay, I stand
corrected.
Charlie Cline (05:14):
Four of us, seven
of us.
Brent Holbrook (05:16):
Okay, I stand
corrected, but you know I would.
I would say that I'm thefounder of the podcast.
Charlie Cline (05:23):
This is something
, it was your brainchild, it was
your it was your uh, and I wason board because I listened to
podcasts when I sat in theoffice.
Brent Holbrook (05:32):
I love podcasts.
Charlie Cline (05:33):
I'll listen to
documentaries on Netflix.
I listen to podcasts when I'mbeen work or managing work or
doing whatever I just that'sjust something other than the
same radio song channel.
It comes on all the time.
Tim Artibee (05:46):
Me.
I don't listen to fuckingnobody.
Brent Holbrook (05:49):
That is not a
truer statement.
Introduction (05:52):
I just want to say
that that um.
Charlie Cline (05:57):
Tim gave his
disclaimer right.
No, but here we go, no, no no.
Brent Holbrook (06:03):
Stand by.
Charlie Cline (06:05):
Here's the thing,
what we say to each other.
You know, we all know, thatit's uh love it's love.
Introduction (06:14):
Yeah, it's a
brotherhood.
Charlie Cline (06:17):
It's a
brotherhood.
I remember one time we were atthe VFW and there was a guy who
was not a member of the post nota member of the post and, um,
he was espousing a lot ofpolitical stuff, right, and we
all have our own political viewsand everything like that.
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And like um, I have an opposingpolitical view than Tim, right,
but we love each other.
It doesn't matter, absolutelyRight.
But Tim told that guy hey, wedon't fucking talk about
politics here.
So you got to.
You got to.
You got to choice shut yourfucking mouth or get out.
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And I was like damn, but I mean, between us we talk about it
all, we can talk about it allthe time, but don't let a
stranger or a non-member come inhere and start talking,
espousing all these politicalviews.
You got to go.
And it's something earned.
Yeah, something earned.
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You know what?
Absolutely right.
I don't think it's, it's justthe brotherhood part of it, yeah
, our sisterhood part of it,because we can agree to disagree
, right but.
Tim Artibee (07:27):
And we can argue
and we can say fuck you, fuck
you, fuck you.
But in the end of the daysomeone else tells you to fuck
you, we're killing motherfuckers.
Charlie Cline (07:37):
And that's the
thing.
Like like, we might haveopposing political views, right,
we might disagree about things,but don't fucking offend my, my
, my brother.
Yeah, Don't offend my brother,because you offend my brother,
you offend me.
Brent Holbrook (07:51):
You got to earn
it.
Like, like Joe said, you got toearn it, you come in, you do
your time, you earned it.
Then you can shit talk all youwant.
Charlie Cline (07:59):
But the second,
an outsider, comes in we're all
going to band together and we'regoing to fuck you, we're going
to read the Goon Squad.
The Goon Squad oh my God,you're the only one who looks
good.
Tim Artibee (08:11):
But, but here's the
thing with this, and you're
right and it doesn't matter.
You know, it doesn't matterwhat, what, what you did when
you served, like, I give Trey alot of shit about being a clerk,
right, but you know what Treywrote on the dotted line that he
signed the blank check.
If they would have said hey,guess what, Trey, even though
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your MOS is a Levin typewriter,Whatever it is.
Charlie Cline (08:41):
That's the best
thing I ever say, hey so hey, 11
typewriter.
Tim Artibee (08:48):
Today your MOS is a
Levin bullet stopper.
So grab your weapon, drop yourtypewriter like saving Private
Ryman.
Saving Private.
Introduction (08:56):
Ryman.
Tim Artibee (08:58):
When he went in
there.
You're not going to need this,you're not going to need.
Grab your fucking weapon andlet's go fucking kill people.
Charlie Cline (09:04):
Well, and that's
that.
That was that movie.
What was that movie with MelGibson and they?
were soldiers.
Introduction (09:12):
No yeah, we were
soldiers.
Soldiers, by the way.
Charlie Cline (09:16):
Boy man, that
gets me every time.
And there was a Joe.
I want to say Joe Gates, butGalloway.
Tim Artibee (09:24):
Galloway.
He was a civilian reporter thatwas on the ground In the
Sergeant Major threw him afucking M16.
Charlie Cline (09:34):
He said Joe said
I'm a non-combatant.
He said, not today.
Pick that fucking weapon up youbetter start shooting.
Tim Artibee (09:48):
You might be a
non-combatant tomorrow because
you dead.
So it's hilarious.
Brent Holbrook (09:55):
Do civilian
reporters still go out like the
way Galloway did?
Because I know they're stillout there.
Charlie Cline (10:02):
They haven't been
in reporters.
I just don't know.
Tim Artibee (10:05):
I didn't see them.
Charlie Cline (10:06):
I don't think
they go much more than out of
the safe like the green zone youknow what I mean.
They'll be in the green zone,but I don't think they go out on
patrol, can you fucking?
Brent Holbrook (10:15):
imagine.
Charlie Cline (10:16):
I mean, you saw
what happened to Tony Stark,
right.
Tim Artibee (10:21):
Yeah, he turned
into Iron man Right.
Charlie Cline (10:27):
They do send them
out.
They reporters will go out onpatrol and shit, they do, they
do it.
Brent Holbrook (10:35):
Yeah, I mean, we
won't say it it doesn't happen
much.
Charlie Cline (10:39):
We never had any.
But no, it happens.
Tim Artibee (10:43):
Your guys' shit was
kind of a little more secretive
.
I'm not saying secretive, butit was secretive.
Brent Holbrook (10:50):
Yeah, they were
doing it, you're not saying
secretive.
But you're saying secretive.
Charlie Cline (10:54):
Well, we went out
with basically 25 less and a
Cormorant and two in the fire.
Tim Artibee (11:02):
Yeah, it wasn't
like they were driving down
downtown, fucking East Baghdad,in a fucking 13 of Humvee Convoy
and shit.
You know they were all on theirfeet and you're going to get a
civilian reporter to fuckingstart walking around fucking.
Charlie Cline (11:18):
Yeah.
Tim Artibee (11:20):
I'd be like an RTO
trying to do it.
Charlie Cline (11:23):
It was more or
less.
Joe Gates (11:26):
I just got that.
Tim Artibee (11:27):
You just got that.
Charlie Cline (11:29):
No you're slow.
I can tell you we were in.
When I was in Bosnia I went outwith the tankers.
Tankers were like hey.
Trey.
Well, there was this guy.
He was an E7.
I was a fucking PFC at the time.
I didn't know.
Tanks had typewriters.
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They had it that fucking day.
This guy's name is Manny Manuel.
I called him Manny Manuel,Sergeant First Class.
I can't remember his last name.
Tim Artibee (12:00):
Manny Manuel.
Charlie Cline (12:01):
Yeah, he was a
Puerto Rican guy.
Tim Artibee (12:03):
Evidently yeah,
sounds like Sergeant Shortpants.
Charlie Cline (12:09):
Well, my NCO was
a Puerto Rican dude, so they got
along.
And he was like hey, you guys,let's go out Friday night.
We're going to go out on patrolin the town and I was like all
right let's go.
Don't ask me what the fuck,because don't ask me what the
fuck my Sergeant First Class wasthinking letting us go out on
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patrol, like that.
But we went out and he was likeall right, we're going to this
building, right here.
We go there and it's a fuckingclub.
Listen, we were all up therewith weapons and everything else
, e7 and.
Tim Artibee (12:51):
E8.
They dropped like a nightclub.
A nightclub so did you get alap dance and a blow job, or
what?
Charlie Cline (12:57):
I'm not going to
talk to the particular hey
sweetie, you want to see my gun?
Tim Artibee (13:03):
I'm not fully
loaded.
I'm better than getting afucking blow job with an M4 next
year, remembering to use properterminology this is my rifle,
this is my gun and ananti-bred-on thigh holster.
Charlie Cline (13:17):
We went up to the
bouncer and the bouncer was
like it's 10-year-old, whateverto get in.
And the fuck that E7, mannyManuel.
He was like motherfucker, weain't paying shit, get the fuck
out the way we're going in here.
There was about 25 fuckingsoldiers no bullshit.
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We went into this fucking clubin Bosnia and he assigned one
PFC.
He was like you watch theweapons, we're going to go have
a good time.
We drank in our fuckinguniforms, we piled all our
weapons in one corner, drank,danced with the girls over there
.
They were like man, it was nuts.
Brent Holbrook (14:04):
I don't know if
I want to see this visual, but I
want to see a soldier complete.
Like you know, combat gear justfucking going down on the dance
floor.
Charlie Cline (14:15):
Well, we took all
of it, we calibrated all that.
All we had on was our tops.
Brent Holbrook (14:19):
Oh, okay, I'm
thinking like all your body
armor and you're sitting therefucking sporking Back then there
was no body armor.
Tim Artibee (14:26):
Back then there was
no body armor, but I thought
men were men.
Charlie Cline (14:28):
I'm also thinking
of myself, I wouldn't know if
I'd want to leave all that shitwith a PFC.
I hear you, I hear you, but Imean, we came back, it was all
there.
Yeah, because if you and I'mcoming back and something was
missing, someone's going to fuck.
Tim Artibee (14:44):
I had told the PFC
okay, you're going to sit here.
You're going to put all this inthe corner.
You're going to stand herelocked and loaded.
If somebody starts walking uphere, you're going to put two in
the chest and one in the head.
You're going to look forsomething to look for Fill your
drill.
Charlie Cline (14:54):
We called it Fill
your drill.
Two in the chest, one in thehead, that was a.
I went back to Bosnia Yearslater.
Years later I was when I wasstationed in Poland I flew to
Croatia, rented a car, we wentto Croatia, montenegro and then
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went to Bosnia.
It was surreal going back there.
How old were?
you when I went back?
Yeah, when you were there 40,38, 40.
How old were you the first time?
Brent Holbrook (15:26):
Holy fuck, how
old are you?
Charlie Cline (15:26):
now.
I'm 47.
Oh shit, he's the second-oldestguy at this table.
And I was.
Maybe he does when.
Introduction (15:36):
I first went I was
?
Charlie Cline (15:37):
I think I was 21,
21, 22.
Tim Artibee (15:39):
Second sexiest,
because I got that nailed down.
Brent Holbrook (15:42):
You did.
Charlie Cline (15:44):
No, this is
what's crazy, right?
He's there with all theseweapons.
He's not big sexy anymore, 21years old or 22 years old Do all
this crazy stuff.
The amount of responsibility,like as a 20 year old I could go
sign out a $4 million tank.
Tim Artibee (16:01):
Bro, I'm trying to
fucking around.
Charlie Cline (16:07):
But as a
40-year-old man I can't get a
$5,000 credit limit from thebank to start a business.
I'm gonna give you a $4 milliontank and a bunch of missiles.
He's so ridiculous right.
Brent Holbrook (16:19):
How about this
one?
Yeah, like you said, sameconcept.
You can go fucking sign out amissile launcher, but God forbid
, in the barracks you can't havea hot plate to make yourself
big.
That always pissed me the fuckoff.
Tim Artibee (16:33):
I'm thinking from
this way and I'm gonna throw Joe
here.
Charlie Cline (16:38):
I'm gonna throw
Tucky.
Tim Artibee (16:40):
How old was you
when you were in Iraq, 19.
, 19.
And he had fucking.
Charlie Cline (16:45):
You ain't 19
right now.
Tim Artibee (16:47):
He was a state of
the art fucking top secret,
secret, secret, secret, secret,security clearance,
motherfucking, radio bullshit.
And he couldn't fucking drink abeer.
Brent Holbrook (16:59):
He couldn't
fucking drink a beer legally,
right yeah, he burned hislegally.
Joe Gates (17:04):
Like I said, my first
legal beer was Interact for the
Super Bowl, and they gave ustwo Crazy.
Charlie Cline (17:11):
Well, I remember,
when I was, I had those chits
at open hour.
I was probably 22, 23.
Joe Gates (17:19):
I was in Korea I was
pitched to.
The British told us who wonbefore it was over with.
Charlie Cline (17:24):
I was an E5.
No, I was an E6 at the time andthey came to me and like, hey,
we got a mission for you.
Sergeant Porter, you gotta suitup and go up to.
North Korea.
Like the fuck what they werelike.
Tim Artibee (17:42):
They needed their
typewriter fixed.
Brent Holbrook (17:45):
Okay, we have to
explain the typewriter joke,
because people tuning into thisepisode probably don't know who
the Trey's MOS was hey, listento the last ones.
Tim Artibee (17:54):
And I called him
clerk the whole time.
Charlie Cline (17:55):
I was a finance
guy I was a finance guy, sorry,
administrative in the office.
So what they wanted me to dowas go up there and give a
million dollars to the NorthKoreans.
Yeah, yep and I.
So what I did I was, we weresitting at a table just like
this, and I got pictures of it.
I got pictures of it.
Tim Artibee (18:17):
Fuck that.
Why were you giving North Koreaa million dollars?
Charlie Cline (18:21):
Okay, I'll tell
you why.
What they said it was for.
They said it was for us to goup there and dig up remains from
the Korean War.
Okay, and what it really wasfor was so we could go dig up
those remains but also spy onthose motherfuckers at the same
time.
Tim Artibee (18:37):
Okay, okay, I'll
track that.
Charlie Cline (18:39):
So I'm sitting at
a table just like this, had a
million dollars piled up,sliding over to some North
Koreans.
Tim Artibee (18:48):
You didn't take me.
Charlie Cline (18:49):
Listen, there's
no way.
I mean, I've thought of everyway.
I thought of every way to do it.
I had a commander when I was inIraq.
Brent Holbrook (19:00):
You didn't think
about the back alley, did you?
No, I thought about it,everything I thought about
everything.
Charlie Cline (19:06):
I had a commander
when I was in.
Korea when I was in Iraq thesecond time.
His name was Keith Stewart andhe ended up, after we came back
from Iraq, going to Korea aswell, and I heard a story about
him.
He stole like a million dollars, Stole a million dollars.
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It was sitting in some accountthat he had.
He ended up jumping off of a14-story building killing
himself rather than going toLeavenworth.
Tim Artibee (19:42):
Yeah, making big
rocks out of big rocks.
Fuck Leavenworth baby.
Charlie Cline (19:47):
So I actually got
a guy I served with.
I think he's still alive inLeavenworth, so I was served
with a Met Fast company.
We were co-op-less together.
He went to the fleet, didwhatever he had to be an.
Eod guy.
He became a master sergeant.
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For seven years he wasstationed in Japan.
He became a master sergeant.
Yeah, he was a master sergeant.
So, he was a lifer.
Buryed kids, the whole thing.
Right, they're all living inJapan.
He comes back to Hawaii and hewas either at the school or
training at the school, or hewas there on temporary duty or
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something.
And to get a hooker down atWaikiki because we actually did
a deployment to, we actually dida hooker down at Waikiki.
No, we actually in Fast Companywe did a refuel-defuel nuclear
submarine yeah, you were tellingme about that.
Yeah, pearl Harbor, but anyway.
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So he goes back there, gets ahooker down at Waikiki, kills
her in the hotel room, throwsher in a suitcase and dumps her
on the side of the highway Fuck.
Tim Artibee (21:01):
Did he fuck her to
death, or what?
Charlie Cline (21:05):
Well his thing is
like he tried to wrap her with
a lipstick knife or some shit.
Introduction (21:13):
And he ends up
killing her.
Then he freaks out because he'smarried.
Charlie Cline (21:16):
blah blah, blah
dumps the body.
His name is Nathaniel Crosby,If you look it up.
Tim Artibee (21:24):
Oh, and the phone's
come up right now.
Charlie Cline (21:26):
Absolutely,
absolutely.
I have a picture of the dudewhen we did OCQuald at our
barracks because when we standguard you got to get qualified,
like we had to get shot with thebeanbags, other shotguns, the
wood batons Remember bullets.
You have to get shot by allthat stuff or you have to get
OCQuald.
Tim Artibee (21:43):
Oh my God, you
don't even go with fucking
OCQuald.
No, oh my.
Charlie Cline (21:47):
God, so Nathaniel
.
Tim Artibee (21:48):
Crosby feels Wait,
what His?
Charlie Cline (21:50):
name was oh, it's
Oceum Capsicum.
Oh, I did that.
Tim Artibee (21:53):
So it's like a pen,
that's sprayed, but it's like
95 times first I fucking didthat.
Charlie Cline (21:58):
So I actually
have a video it's on VHS.
It's on VHS of me going through.
You get sprayed with it, thenyou got to fight and you got to
do all that shit.
Tim Artibee (22:06):
Yeah, I got to do
all that stupid shit.
Charlie Cline (22:09):
So yeah, this is
probably 10 years ago.
He kills this hooker.
I've looked him up, I've triedto find him in the system, like
the federal prison system,because that's what the military
uses.
I can't fucking find him.
I don't know if he's dead, whenthe fuck is he at?
I actually talked to quite a fewof the guys on the fast company
I served with that know him andwe're always like in a text
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kind of group, you know, tryingto figure out where he's at or
if he's even alive, because youpunch his name into the system
the federal prison system hedoesn't fucking exist.
And I actually sent an emailprobably two years ago, maybe
three years ago, asking hey,this is the guy's name, you know
I could get his age, because itsays that he was like you know,
(22:53):
32 or whatever at the time, orwhatever, 28 at the time you
know.
So I fast forwarded to the timeframe.
It would be now he'd be like 35or whatever.
And never, ever got an emailback.
He's alive, he's dead, he's inthis place?
How did he end up killing thisgirl so?
(23:14):
apparently he says.
He says that she tried to robhim Like they hooked up because
she was a prostitute.
She came from like Oregon orsome shit.
Her boyfriend took her overthere to hook her.
Tim Artibee (23:26):
Right, right In.
Charlie Cline (23:27):
Hawaii, in Hawaii
, right.
So he ends up taking her up tothe hotel room.
He says and you could read thearticles which they're they got
two phones Googling it.
She tried to rob him and heended up killing her somehow,
stuffs her in a suitcase, takesher down the elevator there's
all this video evidence.
He dumps her on the side of ahighway in Hawaii, flies back to
(23:47):
Japan and they end up gettingher Right because they go
through the video and figure itall out, right.
Yeah, that's it Right.
So I actually.
I got pictures and, if Iremember, when I get home
tonight.
I'll take a picture and send youa hymn at our barracks at Fast
Company, right yeah, so it's,it's, it's bizarro.
(24:10):
You know you start talking aboutthis stuff, but yeah, I
literally had a guy that's.
You know he was a master'sartist, you know, so he's an E8.
I mean, he was like rightgetting close, but you get
caught up in that craziness.
You know, it was just weird.
Brent Holbrook (24:25):
I think I have a
story similar to that, because
I can't remember.
I can't remember his name, butI believe he's in Leavenworth
now.
He might have gotten out last,I knew.
But so long, long story, quickstory.
You still try to make itbecause this kind of ties into
(24:48):
what you were saying earlier.
You know, talking, talkingpolitics, talking different,
different topics, right, thatsomebody would consider like not
politically correct or whatever, right?
Okay, so that's how this storystarts.
He has a new assignment and hecomes to my department and he's
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just, he's got something abouthim, he's got this vibe right.
And he was from inner city ininner city, and my direct
supervisor was from the sameinner city, right?
So one of the things thatstruck me was he just had this
(25:37):
thing about some of the girls,right.
I always summed with girls, youknow.
It was just a weird thing, youknow.
Anyway, long story short, youknow did he actually just like
girls?
Charlie Cline (25:51):
Is that no Okay?
Yes, not a normal.
Tim Artibee (25:56):
Navy guy.
That's why you stood out.
Right.
So, you were saying along tostory short when I left, so is
it still a long story short.
Brent Holbrook (26:04):
I'm speeding it
up.
I'm speeding it up, so I wantto make sure.
Yeah, so just some weird shitwas going on and I reported it
to my supervisor.
She dressed me down, man, shewas fucking bitching me out in
her office, basically calling me.
You know every word under thesun you know, saying I'm fucking
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racist, and all this other shit.
So, anyway, fast forward aboutI don't know four months or so,
and on this particular day I wasworking, but he was not there
when fucking three NCISinvestigators come in and show
their cred, asking for him.
Charlie Cline (26:49):
Hear the sound of
freedom over there.
Tim is trying to not get him oncamera.
Brent Holbrook (26:52):
Yeah, it's too
late, Everybody can hear it, so
yeah.
So next thing we know he'staken and we just don't hear
about him for the longest timefor months.
Charlie Cline (27:05):
So the Marine
Corps did the same thing.
Brent Holbrook (27:07):
Come to find out
, he ended up being charged and
convicted for raping eightdifferent girls in the barracks
Damn One of them, one of thembeing our, one of our co-workers
in the same department, andyeah, so that investigation led
to another and led to anotherand all after all this time,
(27:30):
like all these, like girls, cameforward and it was.
It was fucking insane.
So last I knew, last I knew,the he was in.
Maybe he was in there for sevenyears.
I don't know, I can't remember,but yeah, it's, it's insane,
seven years.
Charlie Cline (27:48):
That's it.
That's it.
Yeah, for raping eight women.
Yeah Well, we're gonna havemercy Sold.
The Marine Corps.
We didn't join in, we didn'tpost, us all the time.
Brent Holbrook (27:57):
I'm fucking
straight.
What the fuck bro.
Charlie Cline (28:01):
They, they were
only joking Rape is not a joke.
Right Rape is not a joke,except when I'm raping 10.
Then it's a really funny, thenit's a joke.
That is funny.
It's not a joke.
It's Tim Langston.
Tim Artibee (28:12):
Bingo.
So it's not right.
He goes.
Oh, please don't stop.
Charlie Cline (28:20):
No that's no 100%
.
Brent Holbrook (28:22):
make fun of me
for being in the Navy.
It is, it is.
Charlie Cline (28:25):
It is.
It's absolutely inappropriateon call for that motherfucker
should have been castrated.
Yeah, absolutely.
I can't believe he only gotseven.
We're not I know, and I know wesit here and make jokes about it
.
But boom, boom, funny shot.
It's not funny because a lot ofus, you know, we have the back
sense of humor, but then theMarine Corps.
They, we did the same thing We'dactually have a company
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formation.
They got the fleet would havecome even at fast, and we have
company formation, soeverybody's got to be there,
right.
And then you have PMO, which isour police officers.
Military police would come outand they would tell the
commander, which would be amajor or lieutenant colonel of
our company, and say hey, theseare the names I need Because we
do random drug tests.
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So here's Tim standing next tome, gets his name called, he
walks out there, reports in likehe's supposed to do.
They straight up, throw cuffson him and walk his ass away
Damn.
And I never see him again Morethan likely, more than likely
popped on a drug test because wewere getting drug tested once a
week.
Brent Holbrook (29:28):
Do you remember
a few years ago they made this
big fucking to do about, youknow, civil rights and this,
that and another thing, but itwas?
It was a Marine Corps, what to?
I don't know the terminology,I'm sorry, but it was.
It was, you know, formation,and I think it was like a dozen
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of them were convicted of humantrafficking across the Mexican
border, for sure.
Charlie Cline (29:54):
Yeah, remember
that I actually read that
article.
Brent Holbrook (29:56):
Yeah, so they
went on a big fucking rant about
how they violated their youknow civil rights, for
embarrassing them like that andthis that so what you?
Were saying that was a normalthing to happen.
Charlie Cline (30:10):
That happened.
Brent Holbrook (30:11):
So we would have
a company formation every week.
Charlie Cline (30:15):
So, like Friday
at noon or two or whatever,
right, you'd have a big companyformation and you'd get the
spiel.
You know, if you hit it, wrapit.
Don't drink, don't drive.
Brent Holbrook (30:29):
Safety brief,
safety brief Don't add to the
population, don't subtract fromthe population.
Charlie Cline (30:34):
Yeah, yeah, yeah
yeah, we all got the same thing.
Tim Artibee (30:36):
My safety brief was
don't do dumb shit.
That's what.
I told them.
That's what I told my truth.
Brent Holbrook (30:42):
Our safety brief
was if you end up in jail,
enjoy your steak, because Iain't getting into a fucking
Monday morning.
Charlie Cline (30:48):
But, if, but, if
somebody pissed hot during the
week, they would call them outin the front we're gonna run.
All 1000 of us have to standthere, 500 of us have to stand
there.
They'd call you out and thenyou'd report in, you know,
Sergeant, Major or FirstSergeant, whoever'd be out there
right Report in with thecommander P.
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M O Come walking out of theoffice.
Cuff you up, cuff them and stuffthem.
And then walk you out.
And it was done as a sign ofdon't be that asshole Skylight,
because we're gonna embarrassyou in front of everybody, but
we'd never see him again, canthey would go to the brain.
Well, it's kind of like Sonam.
Tim Artibee (31:28):
I mean, if you
think about this, back in the
day when his general was runningdrugs, his general was running
drugs.
He brought him up to the frontof the formation about oh, and I
don't know how, it's SonamSenate, but it probably kind of
wants something like this Cuff,cuff, cuff.
Hey I don't know how to speakArabic.
Charlie Cline (31:55):
So what do you
just say to a speaker?
Tim Artibee (31:57):
Basically, he
called him up and said hey, this
dude is this general, is doingsuch a great job and he's doing
all this other fucking shit.
And he brought the general upand the general saluted and
Sonam goes.
You don't deal drugs in myfucking army.
Boom shot him in the fuckinghead and dropped him like a bad
habit and then he told everybodyelse Imagine if Donald Trump
(32:22):
did that.
Charlie Cline (32:23):
Yeah, probably
should have.
So that would have been.
I probably would vote for him.
Brent Holbrook (32:28):
So let me, let
me ask you guys something.
It was, you know, I thinkembarrassment shame
Charlie Cline (32:37):
shame is a big
thing Shame is a big thing.
Brent Holbrook (32:39):
Embarrassment, I
think, is a learning tool, I
mean even for since we were kids, right, right.
So my question is there was ajudge who got in trouble not too
long ago, and I can't rememberwhat, but low level stuff.
I mean fucking stealingstealing a fucking bicycle and
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shit like that.
And what he would do is hewould make the perpetrator go
out, like this one kid.
He stole a bicycle, made himthere the side yeah, made them
go out and stand with the signor you know whatever.
So what has this country gottento?
I get when we don't allow thatcorrection, that self reflection
(33:22):
to happen and we just fuckingthrow them in jail because I
think, I think, I think thedifference is the right judges
give you two options.
Charlie Cline (33:30):
You can stay in
the street corner of the sign
that says I stole whatever forfive days, four hours a day
community or you can go to jailfor 30 days your choice.
Give them the choice.
Let them do what they want todo.
You got it.
You got a choice Get locked upfor 30, stand out there for four
(33:51):
.
At least give them the option.
Don't force them to do one orthe other, because I would
probably take 30 days probablybecause I know a lot of people
in this town.
I don't want to have it allthere with my face on the
fucking street.
Tim Artibee (34:06):
I would definitely
take it or you get them high
speed, good judges that aregreat, outstanding citizens that
set on a fucking in our bench,set in their desk and they got a
fucking tether on because threeweeks ago they got busted for
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fucking selling cocaine.
Wouldn't that happen?
And then there's a.
There's a judge in Ithaca backin the early 2000.
No, 2000, has somebody come upin front of him for driving on
an impaired license and he sendsthis dude for driving on an
(34:49):
impaired license when he'ssitting on the bench with a
fucking ankle bracelet, yeah,yeah, for selling cocaine or
using it, selling whatever Ithink it might have been using.
He got busted, they did a stain, they kicked the door in and he
was in their fucking lines.
Charlie Cline (35:07):
Why would he not?
Why?
Why was he still on the bench?
Because he was a judge oncegetting in her in her lap.
Her last episode.
We talked about NFO or Fscrewing the lions.
Yeah, and not getting anythingfor punishment.
So, sometimes it depends on whoyou are and who you know.
That's not.
That's not ever shade that.
We've all seen that in themilitary Right.
(35:28):
If you're good with yoursuperiors, regardless of what
level you're at, you could getaway with a lot of shit without
really getting in trouble.
You'll be in trouble, but notreally.
You're gonna get a really goodass chewing, I could tell you I
had a soldier, I had a soldierthat he got.
Brent Holbrook (35:51):
It doesn't
include dead hookers does it
Definitely.
Charlie Cline (35:54):
That was Then
across me.
I was not in Hawaii at the time, so I had a I had up the day
before, maybe the night before.
Okay, okay.
I had a soldier that he triedto make a long story short.
He got in a fight with anotherone of our soldiers.
Cops were called.
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He tried to take the gun awayfrom the cop.
He was drunk.
He tried to take the gun awayfrom the cop.
Tim Artibee (36:23):
He's lucky he
didn't get shot.
Charlie Cline (36:24):
Yeah, he's damn
lucky he didn't get shot In me.
I was a plume sergeant at thetime and the first sergeant had
to go down to the police station.
Tim Artibee (36:36):
Oh my God.
Now you listen?
I have one of them stories too.
Charlie Cline (36:43):
Listen, he was a
great soldier.
He turned into a great NCO andwe protected him.
I don't know about who you knowand who you blow, but the thing
is he did get an article 15,but he didn't lose his rank.
Tim Artibee (36:59):
He was a matter of
fact, he was a e5.
He was a Probably suspendedarticle 15 where you keep, your
fucking you keep your fuckingnose clean for X amount of days,
guess what we were gettingready to go to Iraq.
Charlie Cline (37:13):
We were getting
ready to go to Iraq, so we I'll
tell you both.
Tim Artibee (37:17):
Your punishment is
Iraq, so I'll tell you this my
guard unit was on a big rapidsand there was a place called
Schubert's Bar.
That good happen to big rapids.
Yeah, nothing happens good inbig rapids.
Charlie Cline (37:32):
I can attest to
that.
Tim Artibee (37:35):
So we go into
Schubert's and there was this
frat guys and I don't rememberwhat frat it was.
Charlie Cline (37:41):
The imps.
Tim Artibee (37:43):
I don't know what
it was, but anyway it ended up
where here we are on the streetfighting Right.
So I'm a lover, not a fighterman.
Charlie Cline (37:56):
So there's
girlfriend says you hate my
little lover.
We had her probably in a goodfight.
So, so anyway, the lightdetector says that's a lie.
Tim Artibee (38:11):
So we're doing this
and I grabbed this dude and he
was probably my side and I waslike dude, I really don't want
to fight you.
And he kind of looked at me andgoes I don't want to fight you,
like okay.
I said how about we just stayin here and pretend like we're
keeping everybody else fromfighting, right?
And he goes okay, well, anotherE6 that we had I'm not gonna
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say the name- Bill Payne no, ohwas it.
Had this fucking dude from thefrats.
He had the dude bent over a carand he's just fucking driving,
he's just fucking beating theshit out of him and everybody
else is just kind of partneredup and they're just standing
with the dude to make surenobody else gets involved.
Can you get a little closer?
(38:55):
Please Shut up you.
Charlie Cline (38:57):
Navy.
Tim Artibee (39:00):
So, so anyway.
Brent Holbrook (39:04):
He put his hands
on me first, so anyway so we're
just, we're just kind ofstanding around.
Tim Artibee (39:10):
Well, then the cops
show up, right.
Well, the dude from my unitthat was pounding this guy's ass
.
I ended up going to jail.
It was Saturday night, right,and the frat guy went to jail
and of course they called in themorning to the first sergeant
(39:32):
to go get him out of jail.
So we're standing in formation,okay, my platoon sergeants.
Out in front of the fuckingplatoon, I'm the first section
leader, he's the second sectionleader and the company commander
.
When they turn the unit over tothe commander to do his thing,
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he goes.
So is interest.
Even last night the scouts wereout recruiting leads and we
have to go pick one of them upfrom jail, and it was hilarious.
Charlie Cline (40:04):
It was fucking
hilarious.
Tim Artibee (40:06):
But when that all
happened the cops was like we're
glad somebody did these cocksuckers because these people
start fights all the time.
But it was hilarious.
So Good times, good times.
So I want to hit on the OCthing.
Charlie Cline (40:21):
I want to hit
because that was, that was an
awesome course.
Tim Artibee (40:24):
I mean, I hated you
know the devil's best in my
life.
Brent Holbrook (40:26):
I hate it, I
hate it, I hate it, I hate it, I
hate it, I hate it, I hate it,I hate it, I hate it, I hate it.
Ring on my eye but what was OC?
Tim Artibee (40:34):
well, fuck that.
Ok, so do we?
See course we had to go throughit because when I got deployed
Iraq we were infantry unitattached, the 759th military
police brigade out of FortCarson, colorado, lone
Centennial, I'll give you yourprops, lone Centiano.
So we had to go through allthat fucking shit.
(40:56):
Right, I'll give you a storyabout them in a minute.
Joe Gates (40:58):
What's that?
So I'll give you a story aboutthem in a minute.
Tim Artibee (41:00):
So we had to go
through all that and we had this
dude.
His name was Manley yes, hisname was.
His last name was Manley and wecalled him not so.
Charlie Cline (41:13):
Because he was,
he was not so manly.
Tim Artibee (41:17):
And and they hit
him with the OC spray and, like
Charlie said, you have to.
You know you get sprayed alongyour eyes and then you got to go
through and you got to do allthis bullshit I run around.
Then you got to put yourfucking face in a fan because it
feels like your face is fuckingMountain off your fucking face.
When they hit Manley he tooktwo steps, fell on his knees.
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He looked like the dude fromPlatoon when he was getting shot
by I.
Charlie Cline (41:56):
Like that he
straight bitched out.
Tim Artibee (42:01):
This guy didn't
even get to the first fucking
thing, minutely hitting me, tooktwo steps and fell.
Oh, it's fucking hilarious.
Charlie Cline (42:09):
So but anyway so
now real quick, yeah, cuz I
Really get too far past.
But when I was in fast companywe had a sergeant.
We don't go down to VirginiaBeach right, norfolk, just
outside Norfolk Naval base, wego down to the beach 20 minutes
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away, straight on the highway.
We're the guy that literallyEvery time we go to a bar club,
whatever you want to call him,we don't be sitting there.
This guy would go out and he'ddance.
He'd find the house girl didn'tcare who she was dancing with
or whatever else the boyfriend,the husband, anything didn't
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matter.
This guy would slide up inbetween them and start.
So we'd be taking our weddingrings off, our watches off, so
we end up going out there, westart brawling, I mean pushing
and shoving, that gets going,you know.
And then I get hit at.
At a left field.
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I'm right down to my knees.
I'm like, hey, man, this youknow we're breaking it up.
I got all these dicks around myface now what one of one of his
buddies come out of somewhere.
I mean, dotted me and I droppedstraight up.
I had no idea was even coming.
Bam, I'm just trying to breakup the fight, you know, because
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this fucker I'm, like you sayhis name on here you might
listen to this still friendswith him on Facebook, but yeah,
I mean, so I got up first thingI do now.
I'm seeing red.
We're going to war you hiteverybody.
I hit the first guy, see, it ishim you know, and we all get
bounces.
Come in, they break everybodyup, cop show up, we all go, they
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throw us all the big patty wag,you know.
Tim Artibee (43:59):
Throw us all in
that shit there.
Charlie Cline (44:01):
They're into jail
.
And you know we go fingerprint,all the bullshit.
We're sitting in the holdingcell.
It's like an hour later we'reall going what the fuck just
happened.
You know really, youmotherfucker.
We're pissed First time coming.
We get a call.
We called the guy goes busters.
(44:22):
He had to call duty.
Yeah, the guy in duty.
Tim Artibee (44:26):
Yeah, right, oh,
sir, so we yes, we call the duty
hot, you know we call them thestaff duty and see all but well.
Charlie Cline (44:32):
So we had like a
you know be like a land to
corporal.
We had a corporal out there andthen you know you're calling
from jail.
They start setting up the chainalso here come first start, you
know.
We had a E7 that did our staffessentially build us out and
treated painting because we'reall military.
It was like hey.
I'll make sure so we're onrestriction and shit.
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We, we all go all as a group,dress a uniforms front of the
judge.
You know judges like okay, youknow, bob, a body, your military
record.
Of course we got officers inour first time shits and behind
us, you know.
Rallincourt knows like okay,you're gonna pay a fine, you're
(45:14):
gonna do this, you're gonna dothat.
I'm sure they'll take care ofyou.
Right, so we all had restrictedsome of us had to pay fines or
anything like that.
But I mean it was, it was likemotherfucker and they didn't
bust us, like they didn't bustus in rank, they didn't take
away.
All they did was take away theLiperies that we had yeah,
(45:35):
because you were with theseleads well and but it it was.
It was based on the severity ofwhat you did, and all we were
trying to do was a break up afight, and then we got hit.
So we're trained you finish thefight.
We angle right, like if you get, you get popped.
You get up and you startpopping people, like you finish
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the fight that you're in andthey, they, literally.
If the military wanted to do it, our leadership wanted to do it
, they could have ruined 12guys's military careers
Absolutely.
Introduction (46:07):
They did do it.
Charlie Cline (46:07):
They could have
bust us in rank and gave us
NJP's.
I mean, they could have done amenagerie of this charge.
Tim Artibee (46:12):
Yeah, right, and.
Charlie Cline (46:13):
I think I think
they probably had reviewed the
video At the time of the fightto see you know hey man, you got
sucker punched.
What are you gonna do?
You're not gonna get up and say, oh man, don't punch me again.
Introduction (46:26):
You know we're
trained to finish the fight.
Charlie Cline (46:28):
There's no such
thing as a fair fight if you and
I are brawling the parking lotdirt.
I'm picking up saying I'mrubbing it shit in your eyes.
Oh yeah because if you can'tsee me then I can beat the fuck
out of you.
Tim Artibee (46:38):
Yeah, or I'm gonna
bite your not off.
If I can, if I can get a horse.
Introduction (46:43):
He's got the nuts,
here we go.
Tim Artibee (46:44):
I'm gonna bite your
fucking dick off to win.
Brent Holbrook (46:48):
Are you gonna
beat somebody's dick off to?
Charlie Cline (46:54):
The crazy thing,
guys.
I never knew you had teethbecause you always have your
dentures out.
Yeah, I don't have dentures.
Brent Holbrook (47:02):
I'm telling you
Already, I'm gonna say it again,
I'm the Navy guy, and yet I'mthe only one coming up with all
the fucking penis involved, justsay it whatever.
Charlie Cline (47:18):
We're all trained
anybody out there listen.
We're all trained.
There's no such thing as a fairfight, right?
Oh yeah, if you get an advance,you always take an advance.
So in this instance, you know,I just got up and hit the first
guy because I have no idea.
We, I have no idea.
Right, but they could haveliterally ruined my military
career.
Absolutely wanted to.
They didn't because theyunderstood I.
I Glipped the grass withscissors, you know.
(47:42):
I polished the bell with brassoff, you know brass all right,
like I mean, I did the bullshitBecause I deserved it.
But at the end of the day, youknow they really wanted to screw
you.
They were gonna screw you, butwell, I didn't, they didn't need
to.
I don't have enough soldiers.
Joe Gates (47:58):
I got into a
altercation with our husband and
she ended up getting taken awaywhen he left bruises on her.
She never hit him, so there'sthat side of it.
They didn't bust her down ornothing, thankfully.
Tim Artibee (48:07):
But I was like,
yeah, but that whole domestic
violence thing in the militaryis.
Charlie Cline (48:12):
It's terrible.
Tim Artibee (48:12):
It's terrible Well
let me add it's all fucked up.
Joe Gates (48:16):
Oh, I got in trouble
because I called the MP's on on
the whole thing.
For that day I'm thinking, hey,we get get him away from her.
Charlie Cline (48:21):
They took her
away, bullshit what, uh, what,
what if you guys?
When you when you came backfrom Overseas, came back from
Iraq.
Tim Artibee (48:30):
I never come back.
I'm still over there.
Charlie Cline (48:35):
Were you Because
I know me.
I was fucking angry and Ithought I thought like I would
be out and I fought a lot Likein and I that normally was not
me.
But when I came back afterthose two tours I did Like I was
fucking people up.
Tim Artibee (48:55):
I would say short
answer tray for me is when I,
when I came back from Iraq,didn't have a good experience
there.
Right, right, I think myleadership failed me.
Then I came home, bought ahouse while I was over there
with the wife and then shebolted.
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But at that point in time Ididn't have a driver's license
so I wasn't able to really Goout into the, into the public
very much.
So basically I stayed home.
Everything that happened was mynephews would come over and see
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me, my brother would come overand see me.
So I kind of isolated.
But I was angry.
I was angry as a motherfucker.
And once I had the opportunity,after the wife left and she
filed for divorce, and I'mtrying to hold onto a house
where I'm still working ongetting my driver's license back
, not working, you know I didn'tgo to the VA to get any help,
(50:03):
so I'm getting unemployment forthe time that I was over there.
And then my dad one day saidhey, when you got an anchor tied
around your leg at some point,you got to cut that fucker off
and you got to swim to newshores.
Charlie Cline (50:18):
I think the
military as a whole at least in
my experience, they did not do agreat job at transitioning us
back.
Tim Artibee (50:25):
Not at all, but I
was angry.
Charlie Cline (50:27):
It was kind of
like, I think, a lot of us came
back and very quickly got outWell when we came back, you went
through that whole.
Was it SRP?
Tim Artibee (50:42):
SRP.
It was a reintegrationsomething, and they you know
taps, and they were alldifferent.
Yeah, whatever you call it.
Charlie Cline (50:49):
And they would
ask you like are you okay, are
you?
You just wanted to get the fuckout of here.
Yeah you're not gonna be like,yeah, I'm fucked up, no, no you
don't say that I think that whatthey need to do is, like it's
mandatory, Like you need somecounseling, you need to see this
there should be how do you feelShould be, you're gonna show up
(51:11):
and you're gonna go throughthis for the next six months or
whatever.
Brent Holbrook (51:15):
Can I share a
story real quick?
Charlie Cline (51:17):
Yeah yeah.
Brent Holbrook (51:18):
So on that note,
and this is kind of in two
parts, the first part is I justwant the short answer, no shit.
Charlie Cline (51:28):
Why is all your
shit two parts all the time?
Tim Artibee (51:30):
Okay, this is like
a post meeting.
You got like three minutes, sogo.
Brent Holbrook (51:36):
Middle finger,
no.
So one of the things that Ifound when I got back was my
anger.
I had fucking rage, which wasweird because I was never like
that before.
You've been in the Navy for awhile, right, but at the same
time when I got back, one of thefirst excuse me when I got out,
(52:01):
I should say I did an early outprogram.
It was only like three monthsearly out, but I got accepted to
nursing school and so they letme out early, yeah, so I could
go into nursing school.
The first week of nursingschool I found out that one of
my friends that I served inBethesda with had committed
(52:23):
suicide.
And you know, over time, youknow puzzle pieces of the story
came in and everything.
But as a corpsman, as a medic,right, I know the process, right
, when you come back, you whenyou go, and when you come back
(52:44):
you go through pre-deploymentscreenings to see if you're you
know fit.
When you come back, you gothrough screenings.
When you come back the wholenight right.
So what I had found out was shehad a history.
I knew she already had ahistory of some mental health
stuff and whatnot.
She'd been screwed over by theNavy.
(53:06):
She wasn't reassigned the wayshe was supposed to be.
A whole bunch of thingshappened.
Tim Artibee (53:13):
The way she was
supposed to be, or the way it
was supposed to be, or the wayshe wanted to be.
Brent Holbrook (53:18):
No, it was
supposed to be, because in the
Navy we call it C-shore rotation.
So a C command is anoperational command.
Right, so you can deploy ashort command is the opposite.
Charlie Cline (53:28):
You're inside a
blue side.
Brent Holbrook (53:30):
Typically
speaking, you don't deploy a
short command, so you'resupposed to do that in rare
circumstances.
You know needs of the Navy.
That doesn't happen.
Tim Artibee (53:43):
So anyway that
happened to her and what she,
when she's supposed to be on theshort side she had deployed it
Right, she got passed over To goback out to.
Brent Holbrook (53:54):
She was at a
short command.
She was supposed to go toanother command and be
operational or go overseas orwhatever, but it didn't happen.
And the command that we were atwas not a healthy one.
It was in the national capitalregion.
So many people kind of knewthat it had a lot of drama and
stuff.
But anyway, I digress.
(54:15):
Point of the story is the factthat you know, towards the tail
end things started looking upright.
She got married, she you knowbunch of different things, very
positive things, positive thingsfor her in her life.
And then she gets selected fora deployment, a one year
(54:35):
unaccompanied billet out infucking BFE nowhere I'm not
gonna mention it because ifanybody hears this I don't want
her information getting out oranything but she gets selected
for this operational billet.
She's not gonna see her husband, her new husband, for like over
a year, you know, and all theseother things happen.
(54:56):
And then she goes over andcommits suicide.
So I learned all about that whenI when I that first week of
nursing school, second week ofnursing school, and that rage
inside me fucking came outbecause again, as a corpsman,
I'm like why the fuck didn't mybrothers my other corpsman see
(55:19):
this shit Like why didn't they,you know, do their job and
everything?
And so my question for you guysis you know that change that
happens when we come back.
Like, what is your experiencewith, you know the before and
after?
So, like, for me, beforehand Iwasn't an angry person, I wasn't
(55:42):
that kind of person, but when Igot back, I I'm in my mind
going through fucking ragecycles, you know.
I mean, do you guys have anyinput on that?
Joe Gates (55:53):
I think it's harder
to see it if you're there the
whole time, so, like you, beingyourself the whole time is
harder to see it because it'slittle things.
Over time you get back someonewho might not have known you
really well before you left andsomeone who knew you after the
fact.
I think it's gonna be quickerto see it than someone who's a
long side here.
For the ride.
Charlie Cline (56:09):
And especially if
you're somebody that's been
through it, it's harder to see.
So even if I didn't wasn'tthere with you at the time so
say I was there two years beforeyou and now you're coming back
I'm still seeing in the gray.
You know, and I'm gonna giveyou the benefit of the doubt
Nine times out of 10, that's notalways the right antidote to it
(56:33):
, because I'm like, well, he'sjust going through what I went
through, or she's going throughwhat I went through.
That doesn't mean it's right.
But I agree with what you'resaying.
When you don't see somebody fora long time, so say, you
weighed 300 pounds, then I'mseeing you in two years and now
you weigh 150.
But damn man, you lost a lot ofweight.
(56:54):
I can see a noticeable change.
But if I was with you the wholetime when you were losing
weight, I could tell you'relosing weight.
But it's not that dramatic of achange.
Introduction (57:04):
I think it's where
you're going with that.
Charlie Cline (57:06):
So, unfortunately
, we give each other the benefit
of the doubt, and we probablyshouldn't, because we've been
there as veterans.
We've been there, combatveterans.
We've been there, You're gonnabe a double master of playing.
Tim Artibee (57:25):
So we give, we give
ourselves Typewriter, what the
hell are you doing over there?
Charlie Cline (57:30):
We give ourselves
the benefit of the doubt, when
you probably should.
We should be more strict oneach other, where, when we see
somebody struggling, regardlessof its substance abuse, with
alcohol or drugs, anger manstuff or whatever it is.
Whatever, whatever, we shouldbe way more on top of it.
Instead, we go okay, I'll giveyou the benefit of the doubt a
(57:53):
little bit.
We do our check-ins, but wedon't push hard enough.
I think a lot of the To makesure that somebody doesn't go
grab a gun or grab a string ofrope or start beating our kids
or get thrown in jail orwhatever it is, because at that
point it's too late, you've gonetoo far and we always sit there
(58:15):
after our friends killedthemselves.
I should've seen the signs.
I should've known better.
Why didn't I call and check onthem?
Why didn't I grab them up andgo do something?
And that's why we startedblaming ourselves because we
didn't do something fast enough.
Brent Holbrook (58:31):
And we all do.
That's why I have become solike I don't know the right word
to say, but I've been sofocused on when I have difficult
conversations with people.
I'm fucking blunt about it andI've asked some even post
members point blank to the faceAre you thinking about suicide?
Charlie Cline (58:54):
Period.
But that's no different than thecounselors and we all got back.
I think.
Tim Artibee (58:58):
I'm out of this.
Are you having a?
Charlie Cline (59:00):
problem.
Nope, nope, nope, I'm back.
Brent Holbrook (59:02):
I want the fuck
out of here, I guess probably
the one area.
Give me the fuck out.
Joe Gates (59:05):
I'm not always
entirely it's like technically
what you said earlier, butthat's true.
Brent Holbrook (59:09):
And that's true.
But I'm still saying, like youknow, when you have that change
like so I don't know across thedesk from somebody, so to speak,
right, you're gonna fuckingtell them what they wanna hear.
When it's a brother or a sisterout there, you're gonna hide it
(59:30):
even more.
You're gonna hide it even more.
Charlie Cline (59:32):
You'll be more
open with a stranger than you
were with a brother, becauseyou're not gonna be judged by a
stranger than you are from abrother.
Listen, I'll tell you a story.
Am I wrong?
No, you're absolutely right.
I'll tell you a story.
I will judge you but a strangerwon't judge you because they
don't know you.
I've never told my wifeanything about what was going on
, what happened over there.
I think one time maybe I did,but there was a guy.
(59:57):
It was in Amsterdam and he wasyou did a guy in Amsterdam.
You did a guy in.
I didn't know they had asex-restrictive answer.
Oh, I mean.
Tim Artibee (01:00:06):
What was in
Amsterdam?
What floor of the hotel was heon?
Okay, so that was in Amsterdam.
Charlie Cline (01:00:11):
That's two.
Okay, he was on the sixth floor.
Tim Artibee (01:00:13):
He was on top shelf
, so he was on the gay floor.
Charlie Cline (01:00:18):
He was talking to
me and he was like, oh, you're
a soldier, I don't know.
He was from another country.
Tim Artibee (01:00:24):
You got a pretty
mouth.
You suck a dick.
Huh, he's a pretty guy.
Charlie Cline (01:00:29):
So he was like oh
, you're from another country.
Tim Artibee (01:00:31):
Sorry, little baby
Jesus.
Charlie Cline (01:00:33):
And I told him I
was in the army, blah, blah,
blah.
And he started to ask me likedon't lie, you told him you were
a Marine, didn't you?
Hell no, and he was asking meall this shit.
Like he was asking me all thisshit and I was telling him about
being in the army, beingdeployed and everything that's
going on over there.
(01:00:54):
And as we were walking back tomy wife, she heard a little bit
of our conversation.
Did you get him a green card?
No, I did not.
And she was like damn, you toldhim, you tell him more shit
than you told me I was like I'llnever see that fucking guy
again.
Joe Gates (01:01:14):
Yeah.
Charlie Cline (01:01:17):
I don't want her
to look at me or see me, yep.
So, like I say, I think you'llbe more honest with the stranger
.
unfortunately, the truth isbecause if I come to you guys
tonight without the podcast andI bleed my true feelings, you
got to see us tomorrow.
I have to see you the next timeI walk in the post.
(01:01:37):
And I'm not going to be fullyhonest with you because I don't
want you to look at me anydifferently, and I think that
that holds true.
So when you do that transitioncounseling, coming out they're
like, hey, you having substanceabuse or anger problems?
Fuck, no, nope, give me my dude214 up, I'll just bitch.
(01:01:58):
Because if I tell you anydifferent, you're going to be
like no, we're going to hold youanother six months yeah.
Joe Gates (01:02:02):
No no, no, I'm going
to tell you everything is great.
When we were on our way out,when we got back from
Afghanistan, it was the quickerwe get through this process, the
quicker we get out and leavethis to your family.
That's exactly.
We can run all 60 guys throughthe thing in 20 minutes, let's
get through it.
If one person's like well, Ihad this and this, it holds up
the process.
Charlie Cline (01:02:18):
Yeah, and you're
like you, motherfucker, so then
you'll get your seniorleadership.
They'll say shut your fuckingmouth, tell them what they want
to hear.
And move the fuck out of here.
Yeah, 100%.
Brent Holbrook (01:02:28):
So, let me ask
you this I don't know about you
guys, but senior enlisted forthe Navy is the master chief
petty officer of the NavyMarines, that's.
Charlie Cline (01:02:41):
Sergeant Major
Marine Corps.
Brent Holbrook (01:02:42):
Sergeant Major
Marine Corps.
Ok, Sergeant Major of the Army,Every so often he's like an E6
of the Marines.
Every so often the mickpaw iswhat we call them mickpaw.
Every so often he'd do a tourand he would go to certain
commands, and I had theopportunity to be at both
(01:03:03):
commands that I was stationed at.
I had the opportunity of himbeing there and doing one of
these Q&A sessions where hewould talk about whatever was
going on and then he would openup the floor for questions and
answers, and usually it was guysasking dumb fucking questions.
Tim Artibee (01:03:24):
No such thing as a
dumb question.
Charlie Cline (01:03:26):
Oh, you'd be,
surprised.
There's no such thing as astupid question.
Brent Holbrook (01:03:30):
And that's what
they said.
There's only stupid people whoask questions.
That's what they said.
Until a guy walks up to themicrophone and he asks the
mickpaw for four day weekendsfor everybody, and then he's
like get the fuck out of here.
Charlie Cline (01:03:42):
But, anyway.
Brent Holbrook (01:03:44):
So my question
is this how do we fix this?
Because we've all heard thestatistic right 22 veterans a
day.
And if you're not familiar withthat, a few years back a VA
report came out and estimatedthat about 22 veterans a day
committed suicide, and that'skind of been the rallying cry
(01:04:04):
ever since.
And so how do we fix that, bothafter service but also in
service?
As Charlie was saying, how dowe fix it before the bad shit
happens?
Tim Artibee (01:04:17):
We don't, and you
don't, you can't, you can't, you
can't.
There's nothing you can,there's nothing you can flip and
do about it, man.
A person is going to do what aperson wants.
Brent Holbrook (01:04:28):
I mean, that's
true.
Tim Artibee (01:04:29):
Because you also.
Charlie Cline (01:04:30):
Well, to a
certain degree, Like I did, man.
To a certain degree.
Brent Holbrook (01:04:34):
Well, thanks for
sharing.
Thanks, you definitely want toknow.
Charlie Cline (01:04:38):
All of America
wants to know.
You got a pistol, yeah.
Tim Artibee (01:04:41):
OK, but no, I don't
forget the flow rate.
Brent Holbrook (01:04:44):
I went.
Tim Artibee (01:04:44):
I went down to the
PTSD training center in Battle
Creek and we had we had thesuicide awareness and the the.
The counselor sat there andsaid if you have a friend that
says they're going to commitsuicide, call the police.
And we're all like, no, no,because they're not going to
(01:05:08):
help you.
They're going to come over,take your fucking gun and throw
you in fucking jail.
That's what they're going to do.
They're not there to help.
The police is never there tohelp.
Ok, you, as a brother, what canyou do?
I mean, if you, if you, if yougot in your mind that it's the
point in your mind where you'resaying I'm done, I'm done, I
(01:05:31):
mean you can talk about it, I'mnot going to talk about it, the
people that talk about it, so Iain't ready to do it.
Charlie Cline (01:05:36):
So what resources
?
Does the VFW?
have yeah.
Good question.
We have service hours.
Obviously, you can reach out toother members.
Tim Artibee (01:05:50):
Yeah right, but
we're not trained and we're not
trained to talk, so there's thesuicide prevention line I am.
Charlie Cline (01:05:59):
I'm trained in
that, got trained in the
military.
About suicide prevention, don'task me.
Don't ask me how.
Hey, so we have.
We have to have with the gates.
Also, as Phoenix, she was herea few episodes ago.
She's trained in it, master'sdegree in the social work,
(01:06:21):
social, something or other.
Psychology, yeah, healthpsychology.
Health psychology.
I'm trained in the suicidestuff at work.
Tim Artibee (01:06:33):
But, does it but
does it work?
I haven't had to use it yet.
Well, that's what I'm saying,but basically, basically, they
come out and say if you, if youand I think this podcast is a
week we jumped in another,another boat.
I think this might go a littlelonger than we thought.
Joe Gates (01:06:55):
But yeah that's all
right, and so we're here to help
veterans.
Tim Artibee (01:06:59):
OK so If one of my
Joe's and I'm not even going to
use Joe's, I'm used brothers Oneof my brothers called me up and
said hey, so I'm going to, Ithink I'm going to fucking kill
myself.
Ok, how, how do I handle itpersonally?
(01:07:21):
First of all, I'm like I'mprobably the East Southern's
going to take care of him.
Like what the fuck you talkingabout?
Come on, man, you ain't goingto let this shit put you down,
come on, rock up.
And then if he's like, no, no,I'm really, I'm really going to,
really going to fucking do it,I'm going to, then I'll be like
where you at, well, if I can'tdrive to his house, if he lives
(01:07:44):
in fucking Illinois and I can'tdrive to his house, I'm going to
say, hey, dude, let me, let meget you some help.
Ok, but usually, once, if aperson's talking about it, they
don't want to, they're not doingit, they don't want to.
Well, they don't want to do it,but they, they will Sometimes.
Yes, corey Belant God rest hissoul.
Charlie Cline (01:08:06):
I'm just a
fucking call, Typically if they
reach out and say I'm going todo something.
They really don't want to do it, they're thinking about it.
Tim Artibee (01:08:13):
What's the question
?
You ask what's what's?
And that's what I I never.
I'm not trained on it, but Iknow what I think personally.
If I call Charlie up and saiddude, I'm over it, do you?
I'm going to, I'm going to eata fucking bull.
Tabatha Gates (01:08:27):
Question that
you're going to ask them is do
you have a plan?
You want to get right down toit.
Tim Artibee (01:08:32):
Well, obviously I
have a plan.
I'm an infantry guy, I alwayshave a play.
Tabatha Gates (01:08:38):
Some people may
not.
Some people might have a plan,though you want to know do they
have a plan?
That's the first thing you wantto ask.
Charlie Cline (01:08:44):
So actually we
had a local guy here.
My cousin died in a caraccident and his best friend
literally best friend they hadlunch every day.
Be like my best friend's gone.
I got nothing to live for and Isaw a post on Instagram, maybe
(01:09:06):
maybe his Snapchat.
I reached out to him.
I gave us going on.
You know, I know the guy prettywell, shoot darts with him and
do all the things, but he waslike I got no one to go to lunch
with him, like he was like downto the dump.
Tim Artibee (01:09:21):
Come to lunch with
us.
Charlie Cline (01:09:22):
I fucking like
being where I live and my best
friends fucking dead.
And first thing I did, I jumpedon the phone and Lady General
will tell you the story.
I was down in the bedroom and Iwas Googling shit.
I had my phone, I was talkingto him, but I was Googling at
the same time Like what do youtalk?
What do you say to somebody youknow?
So sometimes it was like, ohyou know, talk about tomorrow,
(01:09:43):
talk about next week, talk aboutthe good things to do, talk
about how much you're going tomiss them.
Say, you know, just get themtalking, because a lot of times
that actually helps.
So if you have the smartphoneand you're worthy of getting on
and being on Google, no, we'renot a user.
Tim Artibee (01:10:00):
Yeah, you know you
don't have, you know you don't
have Tim's flip phone.
Charlie Cline (01:10:06):
But I'm just
saying like, I mean, there's
things that you can quicklyGoogle, but typically what it
said when I was going through,it open any questions, keep them
.
Yeah is maybe just kind of keepthem talking, talking about the
future, talking about the goodthings they do, talking about I
get it man, Like you know, youlost your best friend.
It fucking sucks.
I understand it's tough times,you know, but you know they
(01:10:31):
wouldn't want you to do this,because they're gone.
Tim Artibee (01:10:33):
Kind of kind of
thing, right, what are you?
Charlie Cline (01:10:35):
telling me and I
don't know, is that correct?
Tabatha Gates (01:10:37):
Yeah, I mean, I
was just Googling things.
Keep them talking, like yousaid.
Brent Holbrook (01:10:40):
Yeah, well, keep
them talking and, I think,
positivity in general heactually is.
Charlie Cline (01:10:45):
This house is in
Alma, 20 minutes south of Mount
Puzza.
I drove down, you know, and satin his kitchen for two hours on
a Wednesday night.
Did he have a gun Thursday night?
Well, he has.
Yeah, he has weapons, but hedidn't know.
No, he didn't have a mom, Hiswife was actually upstairs in
the bedroom sleeping and then wesat in his kitchen at 11
o'clock to 1 am.
(01:11:06):
You know I went down there.
I mean that's what we do, andthis is not a VFW member, it's
just a guy in old from town,good dude, and he's doing well
now, but you know, likeliterally his best friend so.
I mean, I understand right sosometimes that dirt happens, I
wouldn't know for sure we all gothrough it.
(01:11:27):
Yeah, and when it happensquickly, you know, that's all of
a sudden.
Introduction (01:11:31):
It's not like the
guy was dying.
Charlie Cline (01:11:32):
It's not.
The guy was dying from cancerfor three years and he was
coming.
You died of the car accident,so it was overnight change.
It's a shock.
Tabatha Gates (01:11:39):
It's a big
difference Ultimately, like if
you're on the phone or whateverwith somebody like that and you
can't get to them and they'redead set on they're going to do
this.
That's when you're calling theambulance or something on the
side to have him for sure.
Headed to their house at thesame time.
Well, keep him on the phone.
Charlie Cline (01:11:57):
I just took it as
a sign that he was talking to
me.
Yep.
Was he really doesn't want todo it.
He's just in a bad place.
Yeah absolutely so, the factthat he reached out, or I
reached out to him and that hewas talking to me, saying you
know like my life's not worthliving now.
You know, like he didn't wantto really do it but and he had a
wife he just she was upstairssleeping.
Tim Artibee (01:12:19):
You had a wife and
I mean I could see, I guess me.
Charlie Cline (01:12:25):
No, if that's due
to have lunch with you like
four days a week, every fuckingweek.
Ok, but if you die tomorrow, doyou not think it's like taking
it no?
Tim Artibee (01:12:34):
no, I understand
that, but I wouldn't think that
would take that effect becauseyou still have a wife, you still
have kids, I know, but youstill have.
Charlie Cline (01:12:41):
Listen, well, no,
his his most guys.
Most guys, right, but be theymilitary or not military, Don't
want to show that vulnerabilityto their family, to their yeah,
to their wife, to their kids.
Tim Artibee (01:12:56):
Ok, that's, that's
good, Good.
Charlie Cline (01:12:58):
And and the
reason why I'm not going to say
his name, because it's it's notnecessarily the the bro code,
right, but trust it is, and it'sthe reason why it's easier to
talk to a stranger than it is totalk to a brother.
So if you came to me with anissue now, you're going to be
like well, I look weak to thatguy.
(01:13:20):
And we're all a typepersonality people being in the
military.
You don't want to look weak.
Tim Artibee (01:13:25):
So I don't cry, so
we don't cry.
Charlie Cline (01:13:26):
Well, so we don't
, we don't cry in baseball,
that's right, so crying inbaseball you know.
Tim Artibee (01:13:34):
I mean, that's just
the reality.
See, I went up to the VA.
I recently got back involvedwith the VVV VA Because I've
been I haven't gone for therefor a while and I'm falling
apart.
I got a left knee today.
I took a digger out of the VWand blew up a fucking shoulder,
(01:13:54):
so I don't know what's going on.
Charlie Cline (01:13:57):
You say you know
Terry Kunst.
He was out shoveling took aheader probably going to be a
word cop, claim coming your way.
Tim Artibee (01:14:04):
Yeah, so.
So I got a lot of shit, but Idid a mental health thing and I
didn't make the meeting becauseI forgot about it.
So they're they're hammered onme about it and I got to call
them back.
But when I, when I went up forthe initial, you know I had to
ask the 16 questions.
Charlie Cline (01:14:24):
Yeah.
Tim Artibee (01:14:26):
How do you feel?
And you feel this way X amountof days, depressed, well, and
then they come up and said areyou worried about?
Are you worried about, there wego.
Charlie Cline (01:14:39):
That look we
don't want to talk about it
right when we come back and wedon't want to answer those
questions.
And still to this day.
Yeah, you're like blah, blah,blah.
Tim Artibee (01:14:51):
Well then they're
like then they're like are you,
are you thinking about hurtingyourself or others?
So I'm sitting there and I'mlooking at this and I looked at
the lady and I said, well, thisquestion is kind of kind of
messed up.
And she goes why?
And I said, well, because I'mnot going to hurt myself, but
there are some motherfuckers Ireally like to hurt.
(01:15:11):
I'm like, and she, she kind ofgiggled, she kind of giggled,
and she goes well, what do youmean?
I said I will never take my life.
Well, never, because when I'mgone, that that ends me as much
pain as I might be in and not bein, or all that bullshit that
(01:15:33):
ends my pain, and all that doesis put it on my mother, my
brothers, my sisters, my son, mygranddaughter.
Never do it, will never do it.
And I think me and you'vetalked about this a little bit,
charlie because I get down, Iget depressed, I get in that
deep, dark places that we don'ttalk about at parties.
(01:15:54):
Right, I get it.
I get there where I don't givea fuck and I can lay in bed for
fucking three days and not do afucking thing, but I will never
hurt myself.
I will never hurt myself.
Now, somebody else that's 50 50.
But but but when I when I saidthat, because that was one of
(01:16:16):
the questions that they flag,are you going to hurt yourself?
No, I'm not going to hurtmyself, not going to hurt myself
because it's not about me, it'sabout my family and friends and
unfortunately, there are peopleout there.
We're looking at it actually.
Charlie Cline (01:16:31):
They're.
Tim Artibee (01:16:32):
Unfortunately,
there are people out there that
don't see that man, corey Belan,god dressed his soul.
A good kid, a good kid.
I actually juked him inbasketball in Germany and he
jumped out of his fucking combatboots and I just went around
and laid up.
Charlie Cline (01:16:46):
But anyway you
should have dumped it.
Tim Artibee (01:16:49):
I can't dunk.
I'm a white dude dude, You'relike six four no, I'm not like
six one.
Charlie Cline (01:16:57):
OK, he was like
six four.
Tim Artibee (01:16:59):
And this dude could
jump through the roof.
But he, he called me.
I was doing a accounting homeand this would have been my
Third drug driving and I'm notproud of any of Well, the first
one was impaired, but that was.
(01:17:20):
That was a woman's fault, butthat's the side point.
He called me right, I'm sat inthat fucking VFW, I'm doing my
accounting homework.
The old bar manager was a countmajor, so she was helping me
phone Corey Boulin.
I was like, yeah, I'll get thatlater.
Ok, finished it.
(01:17:44):
Run through the checklist.
Boom, good to go.
Got on the phone 20 minuteslater hey, is Corey there?
Mom answered it.
Nope, it was like, oh, can youtell him to give me a call?
He called me.
She goes.
Well, he's not going to becalling anybody, he just
(01:18:05):
committed suicide, yeah, yeah.
And I was like oh, because Ididn't have a fucking two
minutes to pick up a fuckingphone to say hey, bro, what up?
So I went up to the bar andstarted fucking, hammer drunk.
(01:18:25):
And then I went down to thegreen spot, hammer drunk.
And then I took off out of thegreen spot when I had three
people tell me hey, we'll giveyou a ride home.
I got it.
Charlie Cline (01:18:38):
Bam, yeah, yeah
you deserve what you got because
you listen well, Joe, uh, Joedoes a fucking terrible thing
that's always the problembecause we, we.
Somebody does somethingterrible and we think why didn't
they pick up the phone?
Joe Gates (01:18:56):
Well, I don't know
that was more important than
that, but you don't.
You have no idea.
There's no way to know.
Charlie Cline (01:19:02):
No, this is not
that's.
Tim Artibee (01:19:03):
that's the thing,
yeah but I'll tell you what.
Right now I Know Typewriter God, that should be a Name If you
call me old, dark 30 when Idon't want to answer the fucking
phone.
When it rings and I roll over,to who can it be?
Now, fuck it's trade.
I'm gonna answer themotherfucking phone.
I'm gonna answer it for Charlie.
(01:19:24):
I'm gonna answer for JoeBretton Tabatha anybody that's
in my list of friends.
I am gonna answer the fuckingphone.
It doesn't matter if I'm hammerdrunk or not.
I was gonna say six inches deepand snapper, it doesn't matter.
Charlie Cline (01:19:43):
More like two or
two yeah.
Tim Artibee (01:19:45):
I had no idea about
that.
I might be talking to you, yoube here.
Charlie Cline (01:19:52):
Hey, Tray, how
you?
Brent Holbrook (01:19:53):
doing.
I don't think that's the fault.
I don't think you'd be able tokeep up that tempo.
Yeah, I'm gonna give you a highfive for that.
Charlie Cline (01:20:00):
Yeah, I'm gonna
give you a high five for that
I'm gonna give you a high fivefor that.
Brent Holbrook (01:20:06):
That was pretty
good for a Navy guy.
Gotta try a slower ballad.
Charlie Cline (01:20:12):
But on the
serious end of it you know we
talked about the survivors guilt.
It doesn't matter if you werein on the.
They get gets blown up.
Absolutely.
Introduction (01:20:22):
You're the only
guy that makes it out.
Charlie Cline (01:20:24):
I'm scared
somehow and everybody else is
fucked up or dead.
That's that survivors guilt,stuff happens.
The fact that you didn't answerthe phone, can I?
Brent Holbrook (01:20:33):
throw.
Yeah, you're more welcome.
Charlie Cline (01:20:36):
Sorry, you hit
survivors guilt.
Brent Holbrook (01:20:38):
I'm sorry the
way my brain works.
I'm not fucking for you.
So the only thing I'm gonna sayis if you haven't read the
white donkey by Maximilian, youare today, I believe, the guy
who does.
I'm not going there.
The guy who writes terminallance comics, did you?
Charlie Cline (01:20:58):
The only donkey
thing I know is from TOY.
That's a really differentpodcast.
I was gonna say.
Tim Artibee (01:21:05):
I thought he said
if you haven't read, the white
donkey.
Charlie Cline (01:21:08):
He watched the
white donkey.
In the long term he's gonna betransformed.
Tim Artibee (01:21:12):
Do you have a man?
But here we.
You know what?
Here we are again.
What we're talking about issurvivors, guilt, Guilt.
But now we're making jokesBecause we.
Charlie Cline (01:21:24):
We're twisted,
we're going away from it because
we don't want to feel it.
We don't want to feel it.
So I've had a few guys thereServe with Guilt themselves as
well, or died under VariousWeird circumstances, but they
(01:21:44):
knew Hillary Clinton.
But we do Like.
I mean it was like why didn't Ianswer the phone call, yeah, or
why didn't I spend enough timeon it?
So now, when I see a guystruggling, absolutely I don't
lay off.
I'll check in, but if I don'tthink you're doing what you
(01:22:07):
should be doing, I'm gonna startcalling on it, because I'm not
gonna leave that on myself again.
It's happened once before andwho I call or who I talk to is
probably not gonna like it,because I'm just like Brent, I'm
super blunt.
I will say this for all youguys out there.
Tim Artibee (01:22:26):
That motherfucker
is a bulldog, because if I don't
, if I say, hey, I'm doingtomorrow the motherfucker's on
me for the next fucking Sevendays eating my ass, saying Well.
Not eating nothing, but.
Charlie Cline (01:22:42):
I will be calling
to say Did you do this?
Did you do this?
Absolutely, I do remind, but IfI don't know you that well,
it's like hey man how you doing.
Where's the status in this?
Where's the status in that?
If I think you're bullshittingme, I'm gonna call you on it.
(01:23:04):
Absolutely, I think a lot of uswill try to hide Behind it,
rather than actually doing itLike we're gonna tell you yeah,
I did this.
I'm gonna reach out to someonethat's Done it or been there as
a double check To see if you'rebullshitting me or you're
telling me the truth, causemaybe I haven't been there.
(01:23:24):
Right, so if it's like, hey, didyou reach out to a counselor?
Yeah, but they're telling methis.
He's been there.
Hey, man have you been throughit and what they tell you, and
I'll be able to balance if Ithink you're telling me the
truth or you're lying to me andyou're Telling me that you did
it, but you really didn't do it.
Because If it weren't for them,why is it not working for you?
That doesn't make any sense tome.
(01:23:46):
You know what I?
mean, and I think we all Try tohide behind the shield of.
We don't want to be thevulnerable guy when we've talked
about that a little earlier,but we don't want people to
think that we're weak Causewe're all the egg type
personality people.
Brent Holbrook (01:23:59):
So that kind of
leads me to To ask if we can
start Potentially talking aboutsome Solutions, some things that
we might be able to do, throwsome ideas out there.
Not that we're gonna you knowAn act of this big old program
and shit tomorrow, but you knowSomething that I think Should
change On the act of duty side.
(01:24:22):
We'll talk veterans here in asecond, but on the act of duty
side, there absolutely should bemore Mental health
professionals.
Yep absolutely Civilian orotherwise, I don't give a fuck,
but there should be more mentalhealth professionals.
That's number one.
And number two, the Personalitythat you guys were mentioning,
(01:24:44):
the way just that we carryourselves, and the way that we
are.
Charlie Cline (01:24:48):
We're all macho.
Men man, we're all macho men,macho, macho men, but it's like.
Brent Holbrook (01:24:56):
We need to start
being honest with ourselves and
with that Chains of commandNeed to start Fucking, chilling
out.
Because I'll tell you myexperience.
I the last part of my time inHawaii.
Before I came home, I went tomental health.
(01:25:17):
I went to two appointments,just two, and it was A slightly
asserted that my time would bebetter spent On the clock at the
clinic Rather than you know inmental health.
But guess what?
I did the same working hoursthat I did.
(01:25:39):
So what the fuck?
You know that's.
The first thing I wanted toTouch on was the Is everything
with you?
Charlie Cline (01:25:51):
two fucking parts
.
I know.
Tim Artibee (01:25:55):
It's kind of like
the put it in and pull it out.
Charlie Cline (01:25:58):
Your fucking road
name is going to be two parts,
two parts.
Join the race groups so I canfucking Road name.
I don't give a fuck how themembership votes.
That's your fucking name.
Two parts, go ahead, brent.
VP's got my back I know he does.
(01:26:18):
I love you.
No, I was.
Brent Holbrook (01:26:22):
I was done with
that.
I know it's not going to changeit's not going to change
overnight, but the culture OfMilitary you start beyond.
Charlie Cline (01:26:36):
Being honest with
ourselves.
That's what I was saying iswhen we come back from
deployment and they throw usthrough a fucking SRP.
We got to go to 20 differentstations and check the box, yeah
, and they're like are you doingokay?
Are you fine?
Yeah, I'm good.
I'm looking at my beard again.
(01:26:57):
At the time.
At the time, I felt Fine.
I did feel fine, I'm back.
I'm happy to be in Americansoil.
Brent Holbrook (01:27:06):
Yeah, I was
doing Fucking fine.
Charlie Cline (01:27:10):
Ask me Six months
later.
Tim Artibee (01:27:14):
Years later.
Charlie Cline (01:27:16):
How are you doing
?
I'm not good because I'm readyto kill a mother fucker.
Tim Artibee (01:27:20):
That's Vietnam vats
All over again.
They come home from Vietnam andthey were just Thank you, jesus
, with your golden halo and yourwings singing Leonard Skinner.
You know they're like Thank youfor letting me be home.
And now and then they want towork.
Same with the World War IIveterans.
(01:27:41):
They came home and they didn'thave the VA like we have they
didn't get nothing.
They came home and guess what?
Hey, you're home, you're alive.
Now get your fucking asses backto fucking work.
Start supporting your family,start being a productive member
of society, and we don't give afuck About your shell shock or
anything else.
Charlie Cline (01:28:02):
Just go to work.
Tim Artibee (01:28:04):
Get back to
business.
Vietnam was Korea, everyone,everyone from Vietnam back
Desert Storm.
Desert Storm was the samefucking way, everything was the
same fucking way, until we gotinto the Iraq thing and then all
of a sudden it became it's notshell shock anymore, it's just a
(01:28:27):
TSD and it's just a differentanimal, you know?
But Absolutely 100%, 100%.
Charlie Cline (01:28:38):
I think the
military just needs to do a
better job of Taking care of hispeople.
Well, as far as Like we weretalking about training and
deconstructing.
Like, listen, you're gonna comein and we're gonna do a fucking
Deep dive.
Whether you like it or not,that's what we're gonna do.
Tim Artibee (01:28:58):
We're gonna crawl
into places that you don't talk
about In parties.
Charlie Cline (01:29:02):
So you come back
and you got Three months to get
out.
How deep can they get Withoutholding you past?
your contract.
Well, pretty deep, but I mean.
Joe Gates (01:29:13):
At the same time.
Charlie Cline (01:29:14):
I didn't get out.
You're gonna have those.
That's why you got like abasketball team.
Joe Gates (01:29:21):
Nine kids.
They're gonna change thecommand that are gonna have them
do that and they're gonna go.
Well, you were at thiscounseling for an hour today, so
when you just stay in our passeverybody else to make up that
time.
That happens as well.
Tabatha Gates (01:29:30):
I would almost
suggest that they have it Like
as part of the if you want yourbenefits, then you have to
continue on doing this.
Charlie Cline (01:29:38):
Well, listen, I
truly believe this too Is you do
if you deploy.
If you're deployed, you're atleast Fucking 10% disabled.
Now you got VA disability, nowyou got VA insurance and you can
go see somebody and Like youwere saying.
(01:29:59):
If you're getting out, charlie.
If you're getting out in acouple of months after that,
then you still have this VAinsurance that you can utilize
to go.
See a, but that's gonna be onyour own accord to go Seek it.
It can't be a mandatory.
Tim Artibee (01:30:18):
You can't mandatory
it.
Introduction (01:30:20):
You can't.
Tim Artibee (01:30:22):
A motherfucker is
gonna do what a motherfucker
wants.
Charlie Cline (01:30:25):
Yeah, but if you
get out and you have no fucking
health insurance, and then youfeel that you're Fucked up and
then you have no way to Pay forit.
You're not gonna do it.
That's why, if you deployAutomatically, you got a 10%.
Why does it have to?
Tim Artibee (01:30:43):
be deployed Well.
Joe Gates (01:30:46):
If you're right.
Charlie Cline (01:30:49):
But if you've
earned, I think we're just going
.
Brent Holbrook (01:30:52):
The chances are
high because you've deployed.
Charlie Cline (01:30:54):
You got at least
10%.
If you got deployed, you're I'malready in surf.
But there's a difference betweenbeing deployed in 1995 and 2008
, right.
So combat zone, noncombatdeployments Very well could be
totally different things.
I think, you're going more tothe combat oriented deployments.
Tim Artibee (01:31:13):
Yeah, so basically,
if you're eligible, For the VFW
Hazard pay duty.
Charlie Cline (01:31:19):
You know Danger
pay, combat pay.
You know you've earned combataction.
You've earned different medalsbecause you're in theater, that
kind of stuff.
I think that's where you'regoing with that.
Tim Artibee (01:31:30):
Can we throw that
out?
What?
I'm throwing out, though, is if, if you surf If you fucking
surf, because everybody'sEligible for the VA Thing If you
surf, you can't tell me there'speople that didn't go to combat
, that had the same fucked upshit that we did, so they
(01:31:52):
deserve the same thing.
And this is going to throw Amonkey wrench into mine and
Charlie's conversation, becausewe always talk about the Legion
and the VFW and the varsity teamand the JV team he hates it.
And that's what I'm saying.
Just because they didn't gooverseas, they're still fucked
(01:32:13):
up, and that's what I'm saying.
So, like Trey said, like Treysaid, how about, man, if you
served your fucking country?
Because you're fucked up,because the way the military is,
you're fucked up, you're comingout fucked up to some degree.
So give everybody that comesout of the fucking Military.
(01:32:33):
Whether it's four years, sixyears, a minimum of ten years,
and then Later down the roadwhen, all of a sudden, maybe,
maybe, you're on the re-show.
Charlie Cline (01:32:46):
I'll throw this
out okay, females.
Tim Artibee (01:32:50):
Now we have Coed
units, coed infantry I've heard
something about that which Ithink that's wrong is six guys
blowin' seven Because someone's?
Charlie Cline (01:33:00):
got dicks in the
mouth.
Raycors got that, which hasnever been that way.
Brent Holbrook (01:33:06):
Let's say let's
say Shit's and giggles.
Tim Artibee (01:33:12):
There's a chick in
her fucking Infantry unit and
she gets raped, but she neverdeploys, she never goes anywhere
, she doesn't say anything andthen she gets out and the rest
of her life Because she doesn'tdo anything about it.
Charlie Cline (01:33:30):
Ten percent PTSD.
But I can tell you thisMilitary sexual trauma.
For anybody that's listeningout there that may have suffered
to that I know Tim was rapedmany times Consensually.
Tim Artibee (01:33:45):
I still do it too,
consensually, though
Consensually okay, that's like ahundred percent.
Charlie Cline (01:33:52):
A hundred percent
On your VA.
Military sexual trauma, that'sa thing, it's in the book and
you get a hundred.
Pretty much a hundred percent.
But how many times is itcovered up?
Tim Artibee (01:34:06):
At the post or the
slot.
Brent Holbrook (01:34:09):
A lot, a lot, a
lot.
Tim Artibee (01:34:14):
I think again.
So if you do what you're sayingwhich I agree with it, ray I
think that's a great idea, ifyou serve our fucking country,
if you write.
If you put your name on thedotted fucking line.
You deserve ten percent, tenpercent.
Minimum and then later on ifyou're fucked up, if you're
(01:34:36):
fucked up and your head's allfucked up Because you got
fucking.
Joe Gates (01:34:40):
You got resources.
Yeah, you got resources.
Some stuff takes a while tocome up too.
I think some stuff takes awhile to come up too.
Tim Artibee (01:34:48):
Well, yeah, the
Vietnam veterans.
They found the Vietnam veteransthat were fucked up.
It didn't hit them until.
Charlie Cline (01:34:56):
Ten twelve.
Tim Artibee (01:34:58):
Ten, twelve years
after they got out.
Charlie Cline (01:35:00):
And then all
they're all like.
Joe Gates (01:35:03):
My grandfather.
We're two guys.
Charlie Cline (01:35:06):
And you were
talking about shell shocked
earlier.
He was the same way, right.
He was laying on beaches allacross Pacific and he was the
same way.
You know where that was theunknown Right?
We didn't have PTSD.
They called it shell shockedback in the day.
He wasn't like that when he waszoned out, he couldn't function
(01:35:26):
or anything, but it was yearsand years and years and years
later.
You know where he was.
Tim Artibee (01:35:33):
Like it's loud
noises behind him.
It started beating out of.
Charlie Cline (01:35:38):
You know, in his
40s, In his 50s he lived until
his mid 80s.
He's been dead 20 years now,but I mean it was In his later
years.
It got bad.
Tim Artibee (01:35:50):
Yeah, because back
then, back then, the
motherfuckers Thank you forserving World War II, thanks for
serving.
Go home and fucking do your job.
Go Korea, go do your job.
Charlie Cline (01:36:02):
Well, like I told
you, His enlistment Because he
got drafted but he went enlistedso he could be in the Rain
Threather and get skittin' andthrowin' and wherever His
enlistment was.
Duration so as long as WorldWar II went on he wasn't getting
out For a two year, four, year,six year, so he was there for
(01:36:24):
the duration of World War II.
It was literally.
It said duration Damn, he wasthere a whole fucking time.
But I mean, if that war went onfor 20 years.
Tim Artibee (01:36:34):
He was there for 20
years.
Charlie Cline (01:36:36):
From the second
he started to the second it got
out it was duration of the war.
You didn't get a four yearenlistment, it was duration.
Tim Artibee (01:36:44):
So he got drafted.
Charlie Cline (01:36:46):
To whatever you
had back then, so you might as
well enlist.
Well, that's why he did, Becauseyou were going to be until it
was over.
There was no like, okay, I'mjust going to do my four years
and I'm going to sail off in thesunset, or I'm going to go do
my year in Vietnam and mytraining for a year and two
years and I'm out of here.
Back in the World War II days,it was duration of the war.
(01:37:08):
And it could have been.
If you went day one, you couldhave been day Nine thousand
before you got out.
Imagine that fucking, if we haddrafted kids, afghanistan war
that was 20 years.
That's what I'm saying, it'sduration.
Now I think we're talking A lotof differences between then and
(01:37:29):
now.
Right, yeah, because Back thenwe didn't give a shit what the
town had for people and we werecorporate mom in every fucking
thing.
Joe Gates (01:37:40):
I mean, there was
just a different Time era.
Charlie Cline (01:37:44):
We didn't care
how many camels we killed, we
didn't care how many civilianswe killed.
Because that was a deal when Iwas in Iraq, like I mean, when
we were rolling through thedesert, it was like you had to
go past the herder Because ifyou killed his prize camel Now
we had to pay his family.
For a million dollars Becausewe killed his.
(01:38:05):
We killed his prize camel.
That did all the breeding orwhatever.
We have farmers here in America.
They have the bulls.
They sell us the sperm For tenthousand dollars a buyer.
I'm one of them.
I'm the buyer.
Tim Artibee (01:38:24):
He's the buyer.
He's the buyer.
Charlie Cline (01:38:28):
At the end of the
day.
We had to buy back In mygrandfather's day.
They just waved the fucking.
They turned the caskos Into aparking lot.
Can I tell you about?
You were paying people overthere.
Tim Artibee (01:38:45):
Oh, I know, you
know, because you were giving
away a dance.
Charlie Cline (01:38:49):
I did it and
listen.
We would kill A woman's husbandAccidentally.
He may have gotten a convoy.
Tim Artibee (01:39:00):
Yeah, and he might
have had an AK-47 Shooting at us
, mother fuckers, but we killedhim.
Charlie Cline (01:39:06):
These were people
.
They did the investigation.
He was not a threat, he was anon-combat, he was just fucking
stupid Because he got the wrongplace at the wrong time.
Yeah, wrong place at the wrongtime, driving into the convoy
and somebody decided to lighthis ass up.
Tim Artibee (01:39:22):
Because you, he
couldn't read the stay back A
hundred fucking feet thing.
Charlie Cline (01:39:28):
Yeah, exactly.
And here's the thing.
Do I feel bad for those guys?
Not really, because, and Evenif you don't have fucking signs,
you know what the fucking USmilitary is there to do.
We're there to fuck shit up andkill people.
So guess what?
(01:39:49):
Don't drive anywhere near thoseconvoy.
Matter of fact, if I was thereand I saw that convoy- I'd take
another.
Tim Artibee (01:40:00):
I'd take another
street.
I'm pulling off the fuckingroad.
Joe Gates (01:40:05):
I'm parking.
Charlie Cline (01:40:06):
I'm waiting 20
minutes and then I'm gonna go,
maybe Connor Stallion, maybeMichigan stole the signs.
But, you know what we would paythose?
I'll tell you what.
I paid the spouses that wekilled their husbands
(01:40:26):
Accidentally $1,500.
That's it $1,500 $500.
Tim Artibee (01:40:36):
Yeah, but over
there that's like a million,
that's a million there.
Charlie Cline (01:40:42):
It's a lot of
money over there.
It's not a million but it's alot.
Joe Gates (01:40:46):
Did that go to her or
her father?
It went to her.
Charlie Cline (01:40:50):
But listen.
So she had the brother Of thehusband that was killed Waiting
outside for her.
So I would have to give her$300 here and then $1,200.
So when he, when she went outthere and the brother's waiting
(01:41:11):
for that, and she would give himthe $300, like here you go, and
then she had the $1,200, shegot the $1,200 on the sign yeah
yeah, yeah, she would show it upher ass or whatever.
The hell Wait, man.
Tim Artibee (01:41:24):
She probably got
another husband.
Charlie Cline (01:41:26):
And you should
have him too.
So, for instance, you and Timshowed up and they would give
you $300 to you, tim would takeyou $300, and then you and I
would have a side combo and I'dhand you $1,200.
Tim Artibee (01:41:38):
So he didn't know
anything about it, because the
brother, the brother is moreimportant than the wife.
Yeah, yeah.
Charlie Cline (01:41:46):
But, the brother
was waiting outside, like they
would be like no, you're not apart of this, you're not coming
into the Under the five.
So the wife would come Aroundthe five and come to my office,
and then I would give her themoney, and then she would go
outside.
And she'd have this $300 and belike Because he wanted all of
(01:42:11):
it.
Tim Artibee (01:42:12):
Did you?
Do any interviewing With thesegirls.
Charlie Cline (01:42:16):
Yeah, the casting
coach in his office.
Did you have the casting coach?
Tim Artibee (01:42:21):
AJ Scowell.
Hey, I have a pool table withthe post, hey.
Brent Holbrook (01:42:26):
We just refelted
that pool table.
Tim Artibee (01:42:28):
I know.
I know, although ScowellMarquette from Pocus, no, no, I
put never mind, you gotta chalkup the stick.
You know what I'm saying.
Charlie Cline (01:42:40):
So I think
tonight's conversation has been
good, because these are thethings as the macho man Right,
the A-type personality peoplethat need to realize If they
have to reach out, they have tolook.
You know, we laugh and we makethe jokes, because that's what
we do, because we're even afraidOf talking about it.
So that just goes to show thatthe other people that are out
(01:43:03):
there that are really, reallyafraid of talking about it, we
talk about it but laugh.
But after is the best medicine.
Well, you know, it just comesdown to those things where None
of us want to show weakness.
Brent Holbrook (01:43:17):
Well, I vote for
this one.
Charlie Cline (01:43:18):
I said that I
don't want to.
I agree, I don't want to.
I think I said that we're reallygood fucking friends.
Tim Artibee (01:43:26):
And I don't even
want to show you weakness.
I think I said that lastpodcast.
I don't like to cry.
Charlie Cline (01:43:33):
We should, but we
don't and we won't.
There's no amount of fuckingtalking to us, but you know what
we will If it was just me andyou or me and Charlie, or me and
Brad, or me and Joe.
Tim Artibee (01:43:49):
If you were hurting
that deep In your fucking guts,
in your soul and your heart andwe would, if I'm not mistaken
and Charlie's gonna throw meunder the bus here Because I've
been with Charlie and I'vetalked to Charlie- about a lot
(01:44:11):
of deep things Not like that Ijust want to clarify.
Charlie Cline (01:44:16):
I'm not in the
Navy.
Tim Artibee (01:44:18):
I'm not in the Navy
.
Charlie Cline (01:44:20):
I just want to
clarify.
Tim Artibee (01:44:22):
But I've talked to
Charlie About a lot of stuff, a
lot of relationship stuff, a lotof hurting, a lot of stuff, a
lot of anger, a lot of stuffthat I'm feeling, and I'm
guessing, a time or two thatCharlie might have seen a tear
or two.
I'm guessing that, I can't saythat, but I would agree with
(01:44:48):
that Because I'm comfortablewith the dude man and I know
that.
If I get to the point when Ijust need somebody to grab on To
and just cry I got him.
Charlie Cline (01:45:04):
You should be
looking at my eyes right now.
What you're saying?
Charlie's got aigre mice no.
But I think Some of thedifferences, too, are just in
the people that you want to talkto Absolutely, because you
should always know If you'regoing to come to me with
something Confidential.
I'm not going to spread yourshit Around the post or the
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internet or anybody else.
I want you to have someconfidence In me To know that
I'm not going to run around andspread your weakness to
everybody that I know, becausethat rumor mill, that happens
and I think that's a lot of thereason why people don't want to
say something, because they'reafraid that.
(01:45:50):
Can you tell me somethingpersonal that's biting on you?
That's the juicy gossip.
I'm going to run around untileverybody.
Tim Artibee (01:45:58):
Hey Tim, whatever's
going on, tim's hurting for
certain, and he's all hung up onthis and that.
Charlie Cline (01:46:04):
And the other
thing I think that should happen
too often when people don'twant to relinquish.
That's really bothering themBecause they're afraid it's
going to get out.
Anybody that gets.
Tim Artibee (01:46:16):
But hold on.
Another thing I'm going tothrow out there.
Unfortunately, we have somepeople that are in our posts
that see it, feel it before yousay it.
(01:46:36):
We got a couple through threepeople and most of our female
persuasions.
They that.
They that they pick up on Joebroke something to give, not me.
This time they pick up on somestuff that that you know, when
I'm having a bad hair day and Iain't got no hair, by the way
(01:46:57):
when I'm having a bear it badhair day, there's a.
There's probably three peoplein our posts that know it female
persuasion and they walk up andthey say hey, how you doing
I'll be like I'm good andthey're like no you're not.
No, you're not fuck, you knowyou're not, so that that's
important too, because becauseyou try to hide it like Charlie
(01:47:20):
sometimes you try to hide it,but you know you can't hide, you
can't make the funk
Charlie Cline (01:47:28):
but I want.
What I want to do is I want tobring Tabitha in who is a mental
health she's a mental healthprofessional and could maybe
give us a perspective on howfucked up are we, tabitha?
Tim Artibee (01:47:47):
you're professional
.
She's like do you want thewhole list?
Because I got you want the 400hour list?
Tabatha Gates (01:47:57):
or do you just
want to clarify that?
That's out of my scope ofpractice.
Charlie Cline (01:48:03):
We're doing good
on time, so you got another half
hour for you but what I'm gonnasay?
Tabatha Gates (01:48:09):
this Tabitha's
won honestly, I think that you
guys together, feeding off ofeach other, helps a lot.
Tim Artibee (01:48:17):
There are people
out there who don't have that
but on the same hand, when Iwalk in the post, I walk in the
post.
There's Kimmy and there's youthat immediately go.
They can set well.
Tabatha Gates (01:48:33):
I've also had the
relationship with you as well,
so I can read you like a book soyou can, you can sense a
difference.
Charlie Cline (01:48:40):
Yes, I can smell
it but no, well, tabitha is they
make fun of me, but I'm anempath.
Tabatha Gates (01:48:51):
I said, yes, I
call her a witchy witchy witchy
witchy broad, which is broad,kimmy is
Charlie Cline (01:48:57):
too, I'll tell
you, kimmy, back to.
Tim Artibee (01:49:00):
Rebecca's, another
one Jen's we're back as another
one, but I'll tell you what.
Tabitha and Kimmy.
Sometimes I don't even fuckingwant to be around them, because
when I'm having a bad hair dayand I'm feeling a certain kind
of way and I'm angry and I'mpissed off because of my own
personal relationship, whichTabitha knows about, charlie
(01:49:24):
knows about, trey knows about,joe knows about, bretton knows
about, because I mean, you guysknow about it.
But when I walk in the post andTabitha walks up and says, hey,
how you doing and I'm goingfine, she's like liar liar pants
are fine, but if you're notwanting to talk about it.
(01:49:47):
I don't push either, absolutelyabsolutely and I appreciate it.
So you don't push him.
But when we first got together,you fucking sat on me and said
talk.
Charlie Cline (01:49:59):
Well, you know,
and that's the thing, like my
wife, my wife has always beenlike I want you to tell me, I
want you to tell me everything.
Like you know the things thathappen over there.
You really want me to tell youyeah, right, no, and that's the
(01:50:20):
thing, no, not.
Not only will I not tell you,not, I will never tell you right
.
I'll never fucking tell you.
Tim Artibee (01:50:26):
Tabitha, if you
ever come up to me and sit on my
chest and say, tell meeverything, I'm gonna be
spilling like a bean girl.
I'm gonna tell you everything.
Charlie Cline (01:50:36):
I'm gonna make
shit up at the end of the day, I
think we all are vulnerable andwe don't want to give away a
secret unless we know that itcan be kept confidential and
(01:50:59):
because we don't want to hearthe rumor.
Joe Gates (01:51:01):
No, we don't want to
have somebody look at us, any
different and we don't want tobe thrown back in our face later
either, right?
Charlie Cline (01:51:08):
and and we don't
want to be the person that
fucking seems weak.
I mean, I just hate to say itis that because we've all gone
through different experiences,we've all gone through different
times, we've all gone throughdifferent shit and we just want
to have our personal stuff.
(01:51:29):
But it's nice to talk tosomebody that understands us,
might get us, give us goodadvice, or just fucking listen
for a minute and not judge us.
Yeah, absolutely that's, andthat's the worst thing is like
you know, we don't want to bejudged for the way we feel or
the way we think or the thingsthat we have going on, and
unfortunately, you know, shitgets talked about you good or
(01:51:53):
bad, or the ugly, whatever it is, and I think that's why a lot
of guys hide shit, because theydon't want the drama and it
turns into drama absolutely.
I believe and I hate to say itand and I would hope that the
brothers out there, the sistersout there listening, understand
if somebody comes in with yousomething important, don't don't
(01:52:14):
spread it.
Talk to them, work with them.
Don't don't talk behind theirbacks like.
Tim Artibee (01:52:21):
Understand what
they're going through, help them
with their situation don't haveto agree with it you know for
sure, just listen, just listen,just be someone that listens but
even even give them soundadvice.
Charlie Cline (01:52:33):
You don't have to
be a counselor, you don't have
to be certified.
You want to have the master'sdegrees, you don't have to have
the things, just be the personwith the open ears and open mind
and give them, whatever they'regoing through, give them a
solid advice.
You know, like I mean it's,it's not difficult.
I don't think the mostdifficult part is is is to get a
(01:52:53):
guy like trade to open up andtell me what your issues and
what your problems are.
That's the hardest part megiving you the advice of hey man
everything's gonna be alrightwe'll get through it, man, it's
gonna happen.
You know I'll be there for you.
But for him to have theconfidence of me, not to run to
everybody I know and say, man,trace, fuck guys crazy because,
(01:53:17):
because, because is the secondhe hears that hey man, are you
okay?
Is everything going on and he'sonly ever told me then that I
broke that confidence and he'sgonna shut down and not tell
anybody what he what he's goingthrough.
Tim Artibee (01:53:31):
Or another thing is
hey Trays a dude with the six
guys blowing seven.
He's a dude with the two dicksin his mouth we all know that's
Tim but does that make sense?
Charlie Cline (01:53:48):
it's done in that
person gonna shut down and
they're not gonna express andthen they're gonna be the guy
they might you read the paperthey killed himself or whatever.
Joe Gates (01:53:59):
Talk to somebody else
.
Yeah, so if you know somethinghappens, I'll say he's a new job
in new state and now you'rekind of gone from that picture.
Well, if he finds someone newthat he gets close to, like that
with well, this happened lasttime he's not gonna open up that
new person oh right, oh yeah,you're exactly right, like if I
moved to Wyoming.
Tim Artibee (01:54:17):
Yeah, and let's say
, let's say and and I'm just
throwing this out there becauseyou're- still one of the one of
the dudes that that I can alwaysrely on is is Charlie.
Even though he's a Marine, Ican always rely on him.
I walked into the the lunchtoday, walked in the lunch first
(01:54:40):
thing he said.
He looked at me and said what'son your mind?
You okay, and I lied to himlike a motherfucker.
Charlie Cline (01:54:48):
I like to him,
like a mother fucker.
Tim Artibee (01:54:50):
He trusted me that
much and he knows, he knows I
lied to him like a motherfucker,because we talk all the time
and you know what he did hegonna order, you know.
I know I had some stuff at home.
Okay, cool, let's drink beer.
And then we just startedtalking about shit.
Okay, he didn't push me,because if he would, I would
(01:55:11):
have told him.
But he already knew.
He already knew.
He already knew that I was Iwas not having, I was having a
bad hair day on something I'vebeen working on for a while.
Charlie Cline (01:55:22):
I'm gonna, I'm
gonna, I'm gonna wait for you to
spill your guts.
Yeah, not gonna push you.
There's, there's, there'speople, and then I know I need
to push because, I might nowknow them as well as you, so I
have to push them right and I'mgonna pound them.
I'm gonna pound them especiallythe lady guy especially the
Tim Artibee (01:55:43):
lady guy you tell
me Marines.
Charlie Cline (01:55:46):
I know, you
enough that I can tell by how
much you talk to me or don'ttalk to me, or the expression on
your face or anything else,because you and I have lunch two
, three, four times a week.
We have beers couple times aweek.
We do you know we talk on thephone.
I can tell sometimes just bythe tone of your voice how your
(01:56:06):
day is going.
Like literally, I said I'm I'vebeen work, I'm not doing lunch
today.
You're like are you busy?
I'm like no, what's up?
You want to call?
Tim Artibee (01:56:15):
you say, no, I'm
gonna stop by, you go, you go.
Well, the re.
Yeah, I'm busy because I'm nothaving lunch.
Charlie Cline (01:56:23):
Yeah he's like,
oh, okay, I'm like why you want
to call?
He's like, oh, I was gonna stopby.
I'm like, come on up to theoffice.
Yes, he shows up, we starttalking for a minute.
I'm like I finished up part ofthe bit I was doing.
We talked.
I'm like, okay, let's go tolunch because I know that's what
he needed, right, so I droppedwhat I was doing.
I'll crank on it 5 am tomorrowbecause that's what I'm in the
(01:56:47):
office, and but I know that whathe had to talk about, or what
he needed, was more importantthan what I was doing but I
didn't really talk aboutanything.
Well, but you needed me, Ialways need you because I need
all my brothers.
Tim Artibee (01:57:08):
I need all my
brothers, but let's, let's go
let's go to the county tomorrowquit licking the fucking, let's
go to the county tomorrow, getyour guys's marriage license you
wouldn't have come up here whenI said I'm not doing lunch if
(01:57:29):
you didn't need something,wasn't?
Going on.
Yeah, I had some stuff.
Charlie Cline (01:57:34):
So the fact that
you said I'm not I said I'm not
doing lunch, I got stuff to do.
I was gonna stop up and see youthat means that you've got
something even though I didn'tsay anything.
Tim Artibee (01:57:45):
I mean, but I get
it tomorrow.
Tomorrow we'll probably dolunch again and I'll probably
show him.
I probably show him what, whatthis show tricks what the
program was, because he's right,sometimes it just I get you.
Sometimes it's just nice to bein the company of somebody
(01:58:07):
that's not gonna judge you, notgonna fucking I'm not here judge
you.
You can just sit there and youguys and you guys can both play
on your phone and then say, hey,what are you like about the
lions?
Charlie Cline (01:58:20):
yep, the pistons
suck this year, right, I don't
know about it a donkey showingtea water yes, yes, so that's
that's where the mad judgmentcomes from, because you wouldn't
have stopped up here if youthought I was gonna look at you
(01:58:41):
sideways or anything else.
Yeah, and you brought it up.
So that's why we're talkingabout it.
But I know, when somebody needssomething, I'm there, man.
That's that's what thebrotherhood, the sisterhood, all
of it's supposed to be about.
That's right when, when someoneneeds something, you should try
to be there.
If you could be there.
(01:59:02):
I'm fortunate up here at workwhere my brother will cover my
slack yeah, he tried to lock meout, but but,
I'm so answered my phone.
I'm still taking my work stuffyou still doing your stuff.
I'm just doing half capacity,right, but we're supposed to be
(01:59:25):
there for each other, so anybodyout there listening doesn't
matter if they're a VFW orAmerican Legion and vets or just
a veteran that you know in yourcommunity be there for them, be
the ear, be the body that sitswith them, and if you're each on
your own phone and you're justwatching the movie, doesn't
matter, just having somebodywith you.
Brent Holbrook (01:59:43):
You don't have
to be a counselor, you don't
have to be a superhero, justkeep just be, the guy that's
there, so that you're not one ofthe 22 listen they're not alone
just need to be there andlisten, that's it.
Charlie Cline (01:59:58):
I get it.
So I want to talk about acouple things that we got coming
up the VFW because we're yeah,we're running late, so we're
gonna just a couple hours in,but we got some important things
coming up.
The Department of Michigan wegot the VOD, which is the voice
of the Microsoft.
We got Patriot Penn coming uphere in a week.
We got we got our bigmid-winter conference here.
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Department of Michigan comingup down to Kalamazoo yeah, and
the jeweler and the.
Tim Artibee (02:00:25):
If you know, if you
know the, if you know that this
the gig be with my name is thejeweler for the writers group.
Let's not talk about how yougot we're not gonna talk about
how you, if you know, you know.
But as the jeweler, yeah, yeah,baby, yeah, yeah, right now I'm
(02:00:46):
so excited about this man so so, for those that it may be just
tuning in, we have the holy shit, that wasn't me that time, so
two episodes ago, yeah ten wentone go right at the end.
Charlie Cline (02:01:05):
Just we have the.
We have the voice democracy,which is high school age
students.
They submit essays, they haveto read them, they get voted on
the post-level, the districtlevel, which would be a regional
more or less in the state.
And then they have us.
We have a state competitionwhere we have winners.
They earn scholarship money forcolleges yep and and if you win
(02:01:27):
the state level, departmentlevel you move on to national
yep and they can earn up to$30,000 yep and then we have a
Patriot span, which would be,for the younger kids, more or
less like fourth grade throughsixth grade seventh grade,
something like eighth gradesomething
not high school kids, and theydo the same thing right, so they
earn money moving forward,scholarship stuff or whatever.
(02:01:49):
This year, once again, we'redown in Kalamazoo, the Radisson
hotel, which is awesome.
Love that hotel, mm-hmm it's.
It's a great weekend.
My wife and I, lady Jen and Ilove to go down to this.
It's black tie affair, you know.
It's beautiful dresses and nicesuits and the kids come in with
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their guardians, our parents.
It's a big dinner.
They take the kids, all thekids, out, regardless of their
their voice of democracy, theirPatriots pens.
They go out for the day they doall sorts of shit and it's,
it's.
It's a free weekend for all sowhat ends up happening is at the
post-level they get.
You have winners first, second,thirds.
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They all earn money, whatever.
They move up to the districtlevel, which would be the
regional in Michigan, and onceagain, they're judged on their
essays and the way that theyread their essays and
presentation.
Yes, yep, they got to be able toread their essay if the
district level people when theymove on to the department, which
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would be the state of Michigan,the whole state, and we have
how many, how many districts inMichigan?
Tim Artibee (02:02:57):
14 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9
, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 12, so
we have 12 12 and I don't knowwhy they didn't start from
district 1 to district 12, butyou know that's way back to the
day, way back in the day.
Charlie Cline (02:03:15):
So we have.
We have 12 districts.
So all those winners for bothprograms.
So 24 students, patriot pen andVOD yep, they all get to come
down with their parents orguardians, put up in the hotel
for free yep dinners, free yep.
They take the students out orthe kids out and they do all
sorts of different museums, theydo all kinds of stuff
(02:03:36):
throughout the day and then theycome to this dinner.
They'll get their separatetables and then they go from 12
to basically first place andthey all earn money throughout
the whole thing yeah, everybody,everybody walks away with
something yeah, and it's such agreat program and when I first
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became a post member I was atlarge with the national VFW and
then they became a poster to 33when you first became active.
Yeah, so I really became activewith poster in 308.
I transferred from nationalover to over to the post level.
I went to it last year and wehave Colin Laney at the post
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level was the VOD Patriot andrepresentative for the post
membership, and then we have anauxiliary membership, which is a
fantastic job.
Tim Artibee (02:04:28):
And now she's the
department, she's the department
girl, she does outstanding.
Charlie Cline (02:04:36):
Yeah, I had never
been to it.
My wife and I went to a lastyear first time.
I love going to conferencesbecause we get to meet people,
shake the hands, kiss the babies, do the things you love me.
I do, I love, I can't wait tobring kids.
They're gonna be spoiled as amotherfucker, as minor we went,
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we went, we went down to thisprogram and out of the three, we
have conference fall, likeconvention, which we elect, your
leadership, the VFW.
We have fall conference.
We have this field, thePatriots, been mid-winter
conference they call it.
If I were to ever go to justone it would be the mid-winter.
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It is absolutely the best timeever period.
It's a major point, I suppose,boy.
That's why it's point.
It is so cool to see theceremony for the dinner where
the district commanders and thedistrict presidents for their
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auxiliary walk the students in.
They see them at the table.
I mean it's literally a blacktie affair.
It is unreal.
And to see the appreciationthese kids have that actually
support military membersveterans their spouses, their
children, all that stuff.
And to hear their patriotism outof a senior in high school to a
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sixth grader right kids thatjust love America, and to hear
their speeches and all theirdifferent things is amazing,
amazing in.
I stood up at the post meetingwe had the February meeting we
had last January and wife and Iare going this year again.
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I stood up and I looked at Colinand I said, man, I've been here
like four years and I thoughtthis was a bunch of BS.
It was just another box ofcheck and I told the membership
if you haven't been there, youneed to go Hooker.
You're missing out this.
If you're gonna go to one ofthose three conferences at the
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Department of Michigan, this isthe one that you need to go to.
Brent Holbrook (02:06:53):
Midwinter.
Introduction (02:06:54):
I mean, I was
blown away.
Charlie Cline (02:06:59):
How far out do
you have to sign off for it?
What's your question?
Joe Gates (02:07:02):
Say how far out do
you have to sign off for it?
Tim Artibee (02:07:05):
Basically in fall,
in fall, what happens at fall
conference?
They'll get ready for midwinter.
Fall conference is the end ofSeptember, okay, and then it's
usually two weeks.
They have a housing for thedistrict commanders and all the
officers of the post so they canget people, and then it's a
(02:07:29):
free-for-all.
So let's say October, secondweek of October.
You got from the second week ofOctober until the last week of
January.
Charlie Cline (02:07:42):
It was like last
week, yeah, it was like last
week, yeah.
Tim Artibee (02:07:45):
So you got a little
bit of time, but it's gotta be
put out as a post commanderlevel.
It's gotta be put out, and Idon't know if a lot of them do
it, but like Charlie's what doyou do?
I do all the time becauseConstantly talking about it.
Because, I'm the districtcommander and I'll tell you what
I'm so proud.
(02:08:06):
Okay, I'm clapping for thestudents, not for me.
I'm so proud to walk them,young people, down, because I
have the VOD people on my arm,man or woman, doesn't matter who
it is.
And then the auxiliarypresident, district president,
has the patriot pen.
So it's district commander,student, student, auxiliary
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president, district auxiliarypresident.
And we walk in with theselittle I was gonna say critters,
students, these students.
We walk in with these studentsand they take a picture and we
set them free and then we goover and then we got like a
score sheet.
It's not a score sheet.
Introduction (02:08:52):
It's a program.
Tim Artibee (02:08:53):
It's a program kind
of thing that tells you who
gets this this, this, this, thisthis, and it starts at like 300
and then it goes to like 5,000or whatever it is, and you check
it off and every time yourPerson is not called.
Charlie Cline (02:09:11):
Person is not
called, you're like woo.
So what they'll do is they'llstart with the.
We have 12 districts.
They'll start with the 12thplace.
Person gets $300.
Joe Gates (02:09:21):
And they'll say it's
from district you know 19.
Charlie Cline (02:09:23):
Whatever,
whatever, so that means we're
district 11.
So that means our person atleast moved up a level.
So as it goes up in yourperson's, your student is still
in.
It Means they're making moremoney.
Joe Gates (02:09:38):
Yeah.
Charlie Cline (02:09:39):
Right, so their
scholarship money goes up.
So you're like our person'sstill in it, you know like,
you're like-.
Tim Artibee (02:09:46):
Yeah you're all
like You're like crazy yeah.
Charlie Cline (02:09:49):
And you know when
your person gets called up.
We all stand up at our tablesand we're cheering and going
crazy for them.
Tim Artibee (02:09:55):
Well, last year
district 11 was third, third,
yeah, I think she was third yeah.
Charlie Cline (02:09:59):
Third I think
three years ago Come from Ross
Common.
Tim Artibee (02:10:02):
Ross Common.
Introduction (02:10:03):
Ross Common wanted
two years in a row.
Tim Artibee (02:10:05):
Yeah, and then I
think four years ago, the girl
from our post won it and Luellaand Denise and the auxiliary
were like that shit crazy sothey lost their fucking mind.
Charlie Cline (02:10:26):
So what's so fun
about this?
The VOD bidger pen the winnersfrom the department.
The winners will go to national, so then they're competing
against students from all acrossthe country.
Yeah right, so you're talking,they win five grand here they
could win up to 15,000 or 25,000at national for scholarships
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for college.
Tim Artibee (02:10:50):
I think it's 30 or
whatever it is, and they get to
go to the turn, the White House.
Oh yeah, they get to do allkinds of things.
Charlie Cline (02:10:57):
But what I love
about these things and I don't
care if you go to convention inMay or April, april and then you
go to fall in September or yougo to midwinter in January- that
we have hospitality rules thatdepartment puts on or districts
might put on or something.
I think there's been somechanges over the years, but it's
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a great way to network.
So if you're gonna be an up andcoming person in the VFW,
that's gonna even mean you haveto be even at your post, but
maybe five years from now, 10years from now, you might strive
for district level, you mightstrive for department level.
You come there and you get tomeet people from all over the
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place and shake hands and formfriendships.
So we've Lady Jen and I Jen andI have been going down for three
years to various differentthings and we have friends that
we meet every year only at theseconferences, right, and I might
be saying there tends to be alot of people from our post will
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go.
We kind of hold up kind of inthe corner.
But I'm social butterfly, soI'm walking around right and I'm
like, hey, man, how's it going,you know Jim, hey, Tom, great
to see you, you know.
And hey, how's Jane and thekids?
And you know, you just get tomeet a lot of cool people.
So it's one, it's good exposurefor you.
But two, I always like tobounce the questions off, right.
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So a guy from Detroit hey, whatare you guys doing to raise
money for your post?
Or what do you guys have goingon?
Because something in Detroitmight work in Mount Pleasant it
might not.
And I might talk to some guyfrom the UP.
You know what's working at yourpost.
Hey, we have darts or we dobingo, or we do this or we do
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that.
So it's good feedback to what wemight be able to try at our
post that we might think couldwork.
And we're talking post andClaire, they never had darts.
Now they do, they're in theirkilling it, but they never
probably would have thoughtabout it.
They're 20 miles north If theydidn't come down and see how
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ours works and then try it andactually give it a real shot to
try it.
And it's growing and growing,and growing and growing, and now
that's successful for theirpost.
So for me, a lot of it isthinking outside the box, like
what are you guys doing that'sworking and what are you guys
doing that's not working?
Because maybe what's notworking down there might work
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for us, or what's working forthem might work for us, or maybe
doesn't, but it's a good feelfor the way things are.
You know what I mean.
Tim Artibee (02:13:41):
So, and I how many
people are we sending Right now?
Terry Coontz, myself, charlie,terry and Sencio, I think,
colenlaini.
But then again you have to signup, like in October you got to
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sign up for a room because itfills up quick.
Charlie Cline (02:14:06):
They can't, they
can't, but you have to remember
that's the rooms at the Radisson.
There's other hotels.
There's other hotels.
You can get an.
Tim Artibee (02:14:14):
Airbnb.
But now Denise just got a holdof me.
Charlie Cline (02:14:18):
We actually did
that years ago we actually
stayed down the road and we justdrove in every day.
So Denise got a hold of me andsaid are these the tickets?
Tim Artibee (02:14:27):
Because you got to
order your banquet tickets ahead
of time.
She's like are these thebanquet tickets that we need?
And I'm looking at him like,yep, pretty close, but something
I'm gonna throw at Joe, thegeeky guy.
The webmaster that hooked us uptonight did a great job, but
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he's not really very bright, butthat's beside the point.
So there's a departmentwebmaster.
His name is John Goobin andhe's not gonna be the department
webmaster for fuck and ever.
So I think I'm gonna hit you upwith his number and then maybe
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you can get ahold of him and sayhey, dude.
Joe Gates (02:15:17):
I think you and I
talked already and I was trying
to get the username and passwordstuff for the number.
Oh, you, probably did.
Tim Artibee (02:15:21):
Yep, yep, and
because that would be something
that you could do.
That would be something thatyou could do and be involved,
because I think it's importantfor you to be involved, because
you got a busy mind.
Charlie Cline (02:15:37):
Well, it would
just be nice if there was a way
to sign up on mine.
For what Tickets or anythingelse.
Well there is a way to do it.
Tim Artibee (02:15:46):
But what we do here
at our post, like for our post,
we bought any post memberthat's gone.
We bought their ticket.
Auxiliary did the same thingRight, so we did that.
So that then all that is is wejust pay the girl that bought
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the tickets.
But there is, there is thewebsite and Joe's really good at
the website.
He's really good.
I looked at it.
I got to come up with acommander's theme.
When you look at the officers,there's that little blurb that
says blah, blah, blah, blah,blah, blah.
Charlie Cline (02:16:30):
Yep, okay, I want
to make it mine.
Tim Artibee (02:16:33):
And I want to do
the same thing for the riders
group.
I want to make it Charlie's,and next year I'm going to make
it Trace.
Make it theirs what theirvision is, what they see,
because I don't want to generatebullshit in there.
Yeah Right.
Charlie Cline (02:16:49):
Mine's going to
be Same thing with the pictures
I told you jump on our ridersgroup yeah.
Tim Artibee (02:16:54):
The Facebook page
Pull pictures yeah, because when
you go to the VFW riders Idon't want to see anything other
than riders group pictures.
Now on the post level gallerywe can put all the other the
horseshoes and the darts and allthat other bullshit, but for
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the riders group I want ridersgroup pictures and that way
people when they look at it it'sall riders group.
Charlie Cline (02:17:25):
So-.
That picture from the Bealsyeah or.
Tim Artibee (02:17:29):
Christmas right now
yeah, that was awesome, that
was awesome or Halloween orwhatever.
Charlie Cline (02:17:34):
We all got
together and did pictures.
Brent Holbrook (02:17:36):
Yeah for sure.
Jumping back to conferences fora minute, Do we just have the
two of them the fall conferenceand the mid-winter.
Tim Artibee (02:17:41):
We have convention,
which is where we elect the
leaders For the department, Forthe department.
Then we have fall conference,which is the end of September.
Then we have mid-winter, that'sthe end of January, and then
fall conferences or conventionis usually the first week of or
April.
No, convention's first week ofJune Right around there.
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Okay so, but it's good to go.
So you Wait a minute.
Charlie Cline (02:18:11):
Wait a minute.
Yep Convention is in April,when we elect leadership.
Tim Artibee (02:18:16):
No, that's our
post-election.
Our actual convention forleadership is June.
Charlie Cline (02:18:25):
The department
Yep, okay, I'm not gonna doubt
you at this point, but yeah,maybe you're right, yeah.
Because you can't be instilledat the leadership of the post
until after no, I can installyou.
Tim Artibee (02:18:44):
I can install you,
but it doesn't take effect Until
Until after the new commandergets installed.
Charlie Cline (02:18:51):
Yep, yep, you're
right.
That gives you like six oreight weeks.
Yeah, yep, yep.
Tim Artibee (02:18:56):
And here's another
thing that we haven't done.
It's so weird.
Did you take your oath of lawobligation, joe?
No, I've heard it, bretton.
Did you?
No, I was instilled.
No, I didn't say that.
Did you take the oath ofobligation when you first got
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Court?
Charlie Cline (02:19:19):
of Master.
Tim Artibee (02:19:20):
No.
When he first got approved tobe a member of the post, no.
Did you stand up and say thisis my oath of obligation?
No, you did not.
I never did either.
You didn't either.
I didn't either.
Trade didn't either.
Okay, so that's something goingforward that I'm gonna instill.
Charlie Cline (02:19:40):
So it's crazy.
It's the fact that trade and Ihad the conversation a long time
ago about when we do patchingin new members of the rise group
and then we've now expandedthat into road captains,
secretaries, side of the arms Dothe pictures?
Right right.
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Never, ever ever have we donethat up until five months ago.
We started doing that.
Yeah, and I think that'simportant.
Well, yeah, I was gonna say thatit is important.
I think it's way important.
Tim Artibee (02:20:13):
Yes, I think it's
fucking way important.
I think it's outstanding thatyou guys did that, rather than
just say here, here.
Charlie Cline (02:20:21):
Well, that's the
way I used to do it a year ago.
Tim Artibee (02:20:24):
Yeah.
Charlie Cline (02:20:25):
Like new guy
would join, just throw patches
with the sheet.
Tim Artibee (02:20:28):
But now the
motherfucker comes up and stands
in front of the group and says,hey, they get recognized.
Charlie Cline (02:20:35):
Not only they get
recognized.
Yeah, with the correct numbers.
They took correct numbers, yeah.
We're gonna put that on Facebooktoo.
Yeah, yeah, gonna go on socialmedia.
But you should be able tointerrupt guys, but I gotta head
home, okay, well, yeah, we'regonna be wrapping up here a
minute.
This is bad time.
All right, man, All right man,you have a good night Be safe.
Brent Holbrook (02:20:56):
All right,
brother, be safe.
Yeah, we'll catch you up.
We'll see you tomorrow when wepick that up.
Charlie Cline (02:21:00):
Yeah, we're all
good.
All right, it'll be here.
Cool, give me a buzz.
Yeah, so I'm gonna have to gothe way of brightening here, so
it's good.
Joe Gates (02:21:12):
Well, you're pussy.
Yeah, the wife's about to fallasleep on me.
Charlie Cline (02:21:15):
I'm popping the
door, so okay.
Tim Artibee (02:21:17):
Well, you see
that's, that's never mind, I'm
not going to.
Once again.
Charlie Cline (02:21:21):
You know this
podcast was up at AJ Skylown.
Tim Artibee (02:21:24):
AJ Skylown.
Thank you very much for doingthis podcast.
That's why we do it up here.
That's right.
I appreciate, tabetha, for yourinput, because mental health is
a big thing for us.
Mental health is big you know,and then we got the webmaster
that didn't spill a beer oranything tonight, yay.
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And then we have, like TreyLittle Lake, the typewriter was
a little late.
Charlie Cline (02:21:51):
I was like 10
minutes late, whatever Late is
late.
Tim Artibee (02:21:55):
If you're not 15
minutes early, you're late bitch
, Thank you Listen, I was like I, and then we had the Marine and
, and you know what, I don'tknow how to shut this off and
the Marine, I think, wanted himto take a leak.
So so, Joe, fix it.
Joe Gates (02:22:10):
I'm like I'm about to
get this.
Tim Artibee (02:22:11):
I'm about to get
this, but this is why we got Joe
.
This is why we got Joe here.
You gotta play the outro.
But, everybody, thank you forlistening.
We appreciate you and come backagain, because we at Soup,
sandwich and VFW, post 3033,welcome you and we appreciate
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your listening and I'm hopingthat some way we can, we can
hook it up to where you guys canput comments on our thing, on
what you would like to hear.
Absolutely, but we're workingon that.
We'll put Joe, the webmaster,on it and we'll figure it out.
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But so, for that being said,good night everybody, have a
good night and let's drink beerand howl at the moon.
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