Tales of Tribute & Travel: Laughter and Legacy with Veterans

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
War is a paradox.
It has the power to bringnations together, to inspire
heroism and sacrifice and toforge bonds of camaraderie that
will span a lifetime, but italso has the power to tear
families apart, to shattercommunities and to leave scars
that will never fully heal.
And, for those who have served,the transition back to civilian

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life can be one of the greatestchallenges they will ever face.
This is the typical life ofmilitary veterans, a world that
is both familiar and foreign tomost of us.
It is a world that is shaped byunique experiences, values and
traditions of the military andby the sacrifices and struggles
of those who have served, butit's also a world that is

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constantly changing, as newgenerations of veterans confront
new challenges and newopportunities.
Thank you for joining us atSoup Sandwich.
Dig your foxhole, heat up yourMRE and spend some time with us.
This podcast is designed solelyfor entertainment and,
occasionally, informationalpurposes only, and is to be

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regarded strictly as satire.
Comprising of veterans, itdelves into their thoughts and
experiences in combat, as wellas their perspectives on various
aspects of daily life that maybe unsettling for certain
listeners.
This podcast is not suitablefor individuals under the age of
18.
The views articulated in thispodcast may not necessarily
align with those of the NationalVFW VFW Department of Michigan

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or VFW Post 3033.
Additionally, we kindly requestthat listeners refrain from
pursuing legal action againstthe creators or contributors of
this podcast.
In other words, please don'tsue us.

Speaker 2 (01:54):
We're having an issue , there we go.
Sorry, here we are.
Another day, another episode.
We're having some technicaldifficulties here, but I think
we're good.
Now, when do we not havetechnical difficulties?
Usually it's because I'm doingthis thing and I'm not like an
AV nerd, so there's that.

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But we don't have tech herewith us today.
Jackass, mr, I like basketballbetter than our podcast.
Suck a dick, my friend we gotpopcorn.
We got popcorn.
That's a good thing.
Who else isn't here today?
Let's sound off.
Let's see Freaking.

(02:37):
Shem ain't here.
Trey, he ain't here either.
Mad-eye Moody.
Mad-eye Moody.

Speaker 4 (02:45):
Mad-Eye Moody Roy's not here tonight.

Speaker 2 (02:47):
They're all on the shit list today.
All right.

Speaker 4 (02:52):
It's like an empty house.

Speaker 2 (02:53):
It's like an empty house.
It's just the three of us.

Speaker 4 (02:55):
When we got Bill House here.
It's empty.

Speaker 5 (02:56):
Yeah, that's right, but we got Abby.

Speaker 2 (02:59):
Yeah, so well, anywho , down here on the floor, we're
here.
Yeah, what are we thinking?
How was everybody's Christmas?
It was pretty good.
Good, how about you guys?
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (03:12):
We're in that weird lull between Christmas and New
Year's where everybody's workschedules are so messed up, yep,
it's like go to work for a day,then you got nine days off, and
then you go back to work for acouple days.

Speaker 2 (03:27):
I thought you were getting a call there for a
second.

Speaker 4 (03:31):
Oh boy, oh boy, just a text message.

Speaker 5 (03:34):
Started a new job, worked for a few weeks, then get
a week off.
Kind of nice, mm-hmm.

Speaker 2 (03:38):
Yep Are you talking about me?
No me, oh, you started a newjob.
I did.
Oh, what are you doing?
He's a gay prostitute, gayprostitute.

Speaker 5 (03:46):
Oh, okay, down in the ghetto.

Speaker 4 (03:48):
They had to, they had to could only work a week.
He has to take a couple weeksoff to rest up.
That's right, Gotcha, Gotchagotcha yeah.
Well, um, when he says ghettomeans Detroit, just so you know.

Speaker 2 (04:02):
The big D, not that.

Speaker 4 (04:04):
D.
Back to the gay prostitute.
That's right, that's hilarious.
Oh, that's why.

Speaker 2 (04:14):
Sorry, still some technical difficulties.
I want to monitor the chatbecause my phone is what's
recording our video and I can'tsee if anybody posts any
comments or anything.
So no questions or questions.
So I'm logging into.
Well, here we go.

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Okay, now I can see.
Yep, hey, everybody, there wego.
That should work.

Speaker 4 (04:47):
Just another night at the AJ Sky Lounge, and we do
have a spectator.
At some point we gotta get asign signed back there.

Speaker 2 (04:54):
You got your marker.
It lives here.

Speaker 4 (04:57):
Where is it?
It's over there by the bar.

Speaker 2 (05:01):
Oh okay, Just checking, just checking.

Speaker 4 (05:03):
We're always locked and loaded up here.

Speaker 2 (05:06):
Alright, just making sure.

Speaker 4 (05:08):
Let's see, even though she has to come say
something on the mic, becauseit's people that join the
podcast, that's right.
So next time Trey's wife, eva'shere, we've got to get her up
because she came on one nightand talked.

Speaker 2 (05:20):
Oh yeah, that's true, she did so.
Next time she's up here, we'vegot to get her signed, so you're
not the first.

Speaker 4 (05:25):
Well, that was before we had the sign.

Speaker 2 (05:27):
Oh, she was up here, I believe.
Yeah, why is this not showingme?
So Sorry, I'm just trying toplay with this.
Usually it tells me who'swatching and I see two people
are watching.
One of them is probably me,because I'm right here.
One of them is you.

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I don't know If you're watching, sound off and post a comment.
Jen's watching.
Jen's watching.
Oh, jen is watching.
Okay, cool, all right.
Normally I can see who'swatching, like it will tell me
who's watching, but I don't knowit's not doing that now.

Speaker 5 (06:11):
So if our focus gets a little hazy and we're staring
off into the distance, we dohave the game on in the
background Green.

Speaker 4 (06:18):
Bay and Minnesota.
Yeah, green Bay and Minnesota.
We're here repping Lions.
Obviously right, that's right.
Minnesota, yeah, green.

Speaker 2 (06:24):
Bay and Minnesota.
So we're here repping Lions,obviously right, that's right.
Minnesota.

Speaker 4 (06:27):
This is a big game for anybody in Michigan, that's
for sure, yep.

Speaker 2 (06:32):
So go Lions, go Lions .
All right, it's a little warmup here in AJ Sky Lounge.

Speaker 4 (06:40):
I can turn the heat down if you want.

Speaker 2 (06:42):
No, we're good.
I think it's perfect as long asyou don't have anything on.
So I'm gonna show that I'mrepping the post t-shirt.
Yeah, me too.
So not our post.
You got to rip our posts, surewell, it's a post well.
I guess I'll give you that oneall right, but yeah, hey, if you

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want t-shirt, you want tosupport us, come to.
If you want a T-shirt, you wantto support us, come to the post
, buy a T-shirt.
What are they Like?
$15, I think right, $15, $20,something like that.

Speaker 5 (07:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (07:12):
Nice shirt?
Yep, nice shirt.
I don't know.
It's always in combination withmy bar bill, so it's usually
like $125.
I couldn't tell you what theshirt cost, that's right.

Speaker 2 (07:22):
I think there's, you know some things, some people
who should get a free shirtbased on the amount of bar bills
they get to get.
I'm up for that.

Speaker 5 (07:31):
Not that way anymore, that's for sure, I'm going to
go up there like I used to myshirt, is a post Bruce, post
1146.
Where's that from St ClairShores?

Speaker 2 (07:41):
Okay, I should have known that, because so my better
half is originally from StClair Shores.

Speaker 5 (07:47):
It's a really nice post.

Speaker 2 (07:48):
Yeah, and I had never been there.
But her dad still lives in townthere and you know, usually for
the holidays we go down and sayhi to him and everything.
But you know, my thing is withthe family you know I don't
really have time to go aroundand visit different posts and
stuff, so I definitely want todo that.

Speaker 4 (08:09):
I've got a funny story about a post that I'm
going to bring up my old man'slistening.
Tonight I texted him and toldhim you were going live.

Speaker 5 (08:16):
Your old man, yeah, he listens to this so usually in
the summertime, when Liz and Iare out riding around on the
bike, we'll see a post and we'llwhip a U-ey and usually go back
and check it out, and we wentto several this summer and had
some pretty good times.

Speaker 2 (08:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (08:33):
So it's always a good thing you see a post stop it.

Speaker 2 (08:36):
See a post drop a tenner, drop a 20.
That's what we're alwayssupposed to do.
Yeah, support each other.
I got some bad news, my friends.
You know my retirement didn'tcome through.

Speaker 5 (08:51):
I didn't win that Mega Millions billionaire
jackpot.
So I can take that new ski boatoff my yeah, out of my Cart
Cart that you promised me whenyou won that.

Speaker 2 (09:00):
Yeah, sorry, man Damn it.
In all seriousness, we alwayslove.
I mean, let's be honest, whodoesn't love to dream about that
?
My dream is to bring and drop$10 million on a new building
and develop something and makeit something amazing and, I
don't know, make us the go-topost in the country.

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That'd be cool, wouldn't it?

Speaker 4 (09:24):
It will be coming up here next month.

Speaker 5 (09:26):
So we do have some news on the post.

Speaker 4 (09:29):
Oh, we do.
Yeah, next month hopefully,let's see if we can roll here
pretty soon Speaking of you knowit's not a $10 million new
building.

Speaker 5 (09:36):
One of the coolest things of all, the posts in
America country.

Speaker 4 (09:45):
Yeah, yeah, coming up .
What's going on?

Speaker 2 (09:45):
We're going to have the motorcycle.
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
Okay, I'm confused.
I'm like did I miss an event?

Speaker 4 (09:51):
or something.
We got the VFW, I guess I wouldsay Two former owners of the
motorcycle patriotic-themedcustom-painted Vietnam POW MIA
bike.

Speaker 5 (10:06):
So I'll let Bill expand on what's going on with
that one, yeah so a group of usgot together I'm sure it's been
said in the podcast previous,but a group of us from the
riders' group got together andbought the old bike back and got
talking about it, what we'regoing to do with it.
Now that we got it about, we uhmake a case and showcase it and

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put it at the post.
So we got chatting around thewriters group and I said, well,
hell, I'll design one up.
So I spent some time on cad anddrew one up and okay, and then
a few people says, well, that'scool, now who's gonna make it?
And so liz went back to her workand said, uh, little plug for
uh, uh, uh, went to, uh, went toher, uh, boss, and said, hey,

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this is what we're planning.
They're like well, hell, yeah,we'll make it.
And not only will we make it,we'll, uh, we'll donate the time
to make it.
Then they went even a stepfurther and talked to some of
their suppliers and got theirsuppliers to donate almost a
hundred percent of the materialsto build it, built it and it's

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almost complete.
Charlie and I, with Liz's Hope,I would say she's supervised,
yeah, she's our technicaladvisor Supervisor.

Speaker 6 (11:28):
I was down there gluing on the whole thing.

Speaker 5 (11:32):
She helped quite a bit gluing up and stuff.

Speaker 2 (11:36):
But years passed, hold up Time out.
She said words and I see her onthe camera, so now she's got to
introduce herself.

Speaker 4 (11:42):
Get in front of the camera and wave real quick.
Hello Come this way Come rightin front of Bill there you go,
hello.

Speaker 5 (11:51):
So years past I bought a whole bunch of wood
just scrap pieces here and theremaple, walnut, whatever.
And Charlie came over one dayand we scrapped through, dug
through and laid out a wholebunch.
All different thicknesses,widths, all that.
Cut it all up, planed.
It spent what two, three daysjust cutting.

Speaker 4 (12:13):
Yeah, cutting thickness and widths on all
those boards.

Speaker 5 (12:16):
And then we biscuit joined all that together and all
these all these little pieces,parts, and biscuit joined it and
glued it all together and madelike 12 inch runs and run them
through the planer.
And glued it all together andmade like 12 inch runs and run
them through the planer and gotthem all the same thickness.
And I just put the second coatof poly on tonight and man, does
it look sharp?
Yep, it is coming into it, soit's gonna look really sweet.

Speaker 4 (12:37):
So it'll be the only post that I know of in the
country that's going to have aveteran themed motorcycle inside
the post on display, custompainted, owned by vfw members
previous.
It's going to be something.
I think that's going to bepretty dang cool, that people
are going to be able to come inand see we'll get it all

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polished up, cleaned up.
It's going to look awesome.
Yep, and this thing is so bigthat we're bill is just come.
It's probably gonna seat about14 people or 16 people around
nice six per side, ish roughlytwo on each end.

Speaker 5 (13:14):
And that's the beauty of it.
You know, not only is it gonnabe a display case for the bike
with, you know, plexiglass panelso you can see the bike all the
way around front, back sides,but the top is set up for like a
bar top, high top table top soyou can sit people around it and
it's going to be functional.
You can sit there and enjoy thebike below and have a beverage

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on top.

Speaker 4 (13:39):
set it out, I'll tell you what it's going to work
really good for is when we havebig events we do big dart
tournaments for Special Olympicsor stuff like that we're always
looking for space to set giftsout, raffle items.
You'll be able to use thisthing, for sure, but a million
things around it's bigger than apool table.
I mean a little bigger than apool table.

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That's how big it is, and it'llbe nice because we'll be able to
take some of those high toptables that we got right by the
bar and move them farther towardthat wall.

Speaker 2 (14:09):
I was thinking about that.
I was thinking about theplacement and we had spoken that
it was going to beperpendicular to the canteen
like the actual bar and I don'tknow, I kind of would like it
parallel.
Thank you, it wasel.
Thank you, it was parallel tothe bar.
It should be perpendicularbecause that bike should be the

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first thing you see when youwalk in.

Speaker 5 (14:32):
Well, it could be.
You will be at the end.
You'll be able to look rightinto it.

Speaker 2 (14:35):
You know, give it between the bar and the case.
You know, give it a good 10feet so people can get in.
You know, get through and stuff, but it should be the first
thing.

Speaker 5 (14:44):
you see, that might be a good idea.

Speaker 4 (14:47):
Well, when we get it there, get it set up, we can.

Speaker 2 (14:50):
And, of course, is there going to be like a strip
of LED lights on the inside, soyou can see it.
We're not quite sure yet.

Speaker 5 (14:55):
We haven't done that yet, but that's something that
we had discussed and some otherpeople had mentioned it too.

Speaker 4 (15:01):
You can get battery ones that work off timers and
stuff.
So it's on like 12 hours andit's off 12 hours and on 12.

Speaker 5 (15:08):
Yeah, that's the big issue with LEDs.
How do you power it?
So if you run a cord to it, nowyou've got a cord running
across yeah we don't want that.
So we've got to figuresomething out, so it'd have to
be a battery.

Speaker 4 (15:21):
They even make lights that you could stick something
to the bottom.
It shines down on it but turnon and off in remote.

Speaker 5 (15:29):
But that's the only issue as of right now.

Speaker 2 (15:32):
So do we want to tell the story of the two owners of
the bike real quick.
I mean, those that have beenwith us long enough know who the
most recent owner was and knowall of that.
But I think it's important thatwe you know because, especially
now, um, those of, uh those ofyou who've been with us, you
know we were going live and thenall of a sudden, facebook

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changed the rules and then wecouldn't go live again until we
got 100 viewers or 100subscribers.
So then we put out a huge likeyou know, yeah, all points
bulletin to get those followers.
So now we're able to go backlive, but anyway.
So those who had been aroundlong enough to know have heard

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Tim's voice and you know he waspart of the podcast there at the
beginning and you know, I don'tknow.

Speaker 4 (16:22):
I can give a.
I'll give a brief.
Yeah, so the original owner ofthe motorcycle was he was a
member of our post, post 3033.
His name was Gary Gass and whenGary owned the bike he had it
painted that P-O-W-M-I-A Vietnam.
He was a Vietnam veteran themed.
And then Gary got too old toride.

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I believe he's passed now.
I'm not quite sure but Ihaven't seen him in forever.
But anyways, then Tim boughtthe motorcycle from Gary,
probably five years ago, fouryears ago, and then obviously

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Tim's passed now.
But yeah, that's kind of howit's gone through the
progression at our post and whyit means a lot.
It's not just because you knowGary owned it or Tim owned it,
but the fact that it's a POW MIA.
This is a veteran's bike.
Not only did veterans own it,but the theme is everything that
the VFW stands for, right?

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I mean it's so cool.
It's got Huey helicopters on it, it's got POWMA emblems on it.
It is awesome and hopefully,once we get it all set, maybe
we'll post it on this Facebookpage.
We'll take some pictures of it.
In the case, on display itactually sits downstairs here at
work.

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On display, it actually sitsdownstairs here at work, so I
get to see it all the time, butevery time I look at it it
absolutely impresses me, whichis pretty cool.
I'm honored to have it here andI'm thankful for Bill and Liz
and then all the other membersother Rogers Group that helped
chip in.
We even had a lot ofnon-members, and one comes right

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to mind was jim hall frommelanie music, our dart provider
and jukebox provider, um herein michigan.
Um, you know, he donated moneyto it.
Right now he's.
He's an auxiliary member now,but you know, I mean I think at
the time he was.
I think at the time he wasn't.
You know he just he justbelieved in you know this is
something that should stay hereand it shouldn't.
And it was so weird becausewhen we purchased it, Tim had

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just traded it in for his newHarley.
And I happened to go in and Ithink I was picking up just a
couple quarts of oil for myson-in-law.
I don't remember I was in therebuying parts.
I don't know if it was for myHarley or what it was, but
anyways I see it on the showroomfloor and I took some pictures
of it and I sent it around.

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And I'm like man, this is rightafter Tim passed, Because he
only had his new bike a coupleweeks.
That was like the day after.
I mean, it was a couple weeks ohbefore that yeah yeah, yeah but
anyway, so I was sitting onthis.

Speaker 5 (19:03):
Well, we bought it like the day after.

Speaker 4 (19:04):
Yeah, the second that I saw it right, I sent it to
Jen and I sent it around thegroup and stuff.
And then everybody's like we'vegot to buy it back.
And all of a sudden the nextday we were out for a ride and
we're like I'll throw in $500.
I'll throw in $1,000.

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I'll throw in $1,000.
I'll throw in $300.
Like all of a sudden we had,you know, like $7,000 sitting
there.
You know, it was like I guesswe're heading down to the Harley
shop.

Speaker 5 (19:33):
So we went down to the Harley shop.

Speaker 4 (19:35):
And yeah, and actually I think right before
that, trey went down there thatday and put $500 down to hold it
.
Yeah, he put it in the pocket.
And he was like I don't knowwhat I'm going to do now.
Yeah, he was going to buy ithimself that day, but anyways,
then we ended up going for aride.
He just ran in there and said,hey, just hold this.

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And they would hold it for liketwo weeks and if he didn't pay
the rest of it they were goingto put it back on the floor,
right, and get his 500 back.
So really no harm, no foul, butit gave him time to figure out
what was going on.

Speaker 5 (20:06):
It gave the group and just that big mob of members
you know that went in there, thefunny thing is, I was coming
back from Detroit, back fromLiz's house, coming home, and
when you sent that out, I seenit.
I goes, man, I told her.
I says, hey, I ought to juststop in there and buy that damn

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thing, you know.
So we have it right, because Ididn't want somebody else to buy
it.
So when we went on that rideand we were sitting there,
everybody was like what are wegoing to do, what are we going
to do?
And then Trace says, hey, Ijust did something.

Speaker 3 (20:45):
What did you do it?
So I just put a deposit on it.

Speaker 5 (20:46):
I'm like well, I'm game, let's go, let's go buy it.
Yeah, it's kind of how it'slike.
He said you know we pitched in.
I goes, hey, whatever's leftover, you guys pitch in what you
want.

Speaker 4 (20:51):
Whatever's left over, I'll cover the rest, and and we
end up we went as soon as wefinished our lunch, we went
right down and it's and it'ssuch a, it was such kind of a
cool thing because it was likeyou.
You know, I mean people I got50 bucks, cool.
You know other people like Igot 1,500, you know whatever, so
it didn't really matter.
We all went in as a team effortto get it and then just to have

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the backing of companies likeLiz that spearhead it, and then
one of the coolest stories thatI've heard about their company
is everybody that's working onthis project are veterans.

Speaker 5 (21:26):
Yeah, a lot of them are, so yeah, and the ones that
aren't, uh have, even she.
They've even went around theirown, inside their own, the, the,
the company, you know what, youcome tell the story.
I don't know yeah second secondhand, we can get it right from
the horse's mouth.
So Liz is HR director.

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Hr manager of UHI Group.

Speaker 4 (21:51):
Explain to everybody what UHI Group is.
So we have a good understanding.

Speaker 5 (21:55):
So we can understand what this is.
My God, are you short or?

Speaker 4 (21:58):
what I am very short.

Speaker 3 (21:59):
Your chin is almost on the table.
I am very short.

Speaker 5 (22:03):
Her stool is about a foot lower than mine, so she's
short, but not quite that short.

Speaker 6 (22:10):
Uhi is located in Sterling Heights.
They are 50% aerospace, 50%automotive and they went around
after they found out about allthis.
They went around to everyoneand asked if they wanted to be a
part of this project and theysaid yes, and most of them are
veterans and so they groupedtogether to work on it.
And then there's also many ofthem that are not veterans that

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wanted to be a part of it.
So they donated money out oftheir personal personally to it,
and then also customers orcustomers of us that wanted to
be a part of it, so they donatedmaterial to to build this as
well and also donated things togo towards it too.
So also our employees are likeI've got $100, I've got $50.
They start opening theirwallets and handing our buyer or

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purchaser money saying put thistowards it, put this towards it
, put this towards it, and whenthey started this project, they
were kind of slow but werepicking up.

Speaker 5 (23:03):
When they finished this project, they were kind of
slow but were picking up.
When they finished this project, they were already working what
like 6, 10, 6, 12?
.

Speaker 6 (23:12):
They were working 6 days a week, 12-hour days a week
they were getting even morebusy.
They now are working 6 to 7days a week, 10, 12-hour days.
So they finished this on aboveand beyond, overtime even, and
still took time out working ontheir own time, coming in to do
this project for us so above andbeyond I mean way above and

(23:32):
beyond the the time.

Speaker 5 (23:34):
So you know, if you already put in a 12-hour day and
then put in another hour or twoafter that, it's just a yeah,
it's awesome just to do this.
So it it should be the case.
I believe the last I heard theywere putting the plexi on.
It's already painted, it'salready assembled, they just
need to finish putting the plexion.
Finish the cat.
There's a couple issues withthe casters that they had, and

(23:57):
then it's ready.
So in a couple weeks we'll bebringing it up yeah, we got it
then we got a test, fit the bike, put the top on it, you know,
do our final preps and thenwe're going to try and do a big
reveal.
We'll set something up and havea lot of the people that worked
on it from her work want tocome up.

(24:17):
Probably it'll be a Saturday.
We'll do a big show.

Speaker 4 (24:22):
We'll set something up at the post.
We'll get a date on a Saturday.
Do a big show.
Yeah, so we'll set something upat the post.
We'll get a date on a Saturday,do a big reveal.
I know there's a lot of peoplearound town that want to make
sure that they're there.
There's people that we'd liketo have there, but we also have
to make sure that it's notduring a dark tournament or
something going on.
But yeah, we're going to try toget.
And then obviously we've gotsome of the veterans down there

(24:42):
that want to come up for theunveiling and stuff that we want
to make sure they have ampletime to make sure they get the
day off.
Which is even crazier, becauseeven when they come up on that
Saturday, you know what they'remissing.
They're missing overtime work.
So not only are they going totravel from Detroit up here just
to see this thing, but they'realso probably losing $500, $600,

(25:05):
$700 working the Saturday rightup here just to see this thing,
yep.
but they're also probably losingfive, six, seven hundred
dollars working the saturday.
So it's costing them money allthe way, which is so cool.
But I get it from our trade,like I'm gonna ask jen or ask
the kids I drive by the bigbattery plant, midland, or hsc
hemlock semiconductor, even thebuildings around here at cmu
that we've done, and I'm like Ispent two hours building or two

(25:26):
years building that building.
Oh, I worked here, I workedthere, I did this here.
So it's that pride of you know,after the job is finished,
right, then you actually get togo see it when it's fully done.
It was always pretty cool whenI would walk around the
buildings here at CMU doingservice work or doing something
else and I get to cut throughone of the projects that we did.
It's like man, I remember beingdown in this tunnel freezing my

(25:49):
ass off, right, you know,middle of winter with no heat.
You know like I mean.
It's pretty cool.

Speaker 2 (25:56):
Yeah, so it's going to be a good thing, and I think
it's important to note that formost people, because most people
don't know this, but you know,this motorcycle case is really
our way of showcasing somethingWhereas many others, you know,

(26:19):
driving by other posts, otherAmerican legions and whatnot,
and they got a fucking tanksitting out front, they've got
an airplane, or.
I've seen one with a couple oldmissiles sitting up there.
Or I've seen one with a coupleold missiles sitting up there
For the people who don't know.
As a VFW post, we have theauthority to requisition those
things out of the surplusstorage and put them up on
display.
Well, obviously you can only dothat if you have the space to

(26:41):
do that, and we don't own muchmore than what?

Speaker 5 (26:45):
three quarters of an acre.
Not even that, not even that sowe don't.

Speaker 2 (26:49):
We don't have the greenery, we don't I don't think
it's that maybe a quarter.
You know we're, we're proud ofour post, we're proud of our,
our spot, like where we are intown, um, but it is small and,
uh, you know we're we'reoutgrowing it very quickly.
But, that aside, we don't havethe space to put a tank out
front.
So we would love to, but wecan't.

Speaker 5 (27:12):
So that's what makes this even more special.

Speaker 2 (27:14):
And so this is our showcase.
This is going to 100% be ourshowcase.

Speaker 4 (27:22):
Well, like I said, I think it's the only one that's
going to have a motorcycle rightand having that veteran theme
and owned by several veterans ofthe post is going to be cool
and it's just going to be agreat big table yeah, usable
it's usable, it's usable it'snot just some motorcycle or
something sitting on the side ofa wall somewhere taking up

(27:42):
space.
I mean, that was part of theidea was to make it, because we
have such limited space, to beable to make it usable at the
same time of a display piece,you know, yeah, right.

Speaker 5 (27:55):
And I hope, when it's all together and it's all
setting in there and it justfits perfectly, we'll never make
everybody happy Somebody'sgoing to say it's too big, it's
too wide, it's too long, andthey're like, oh, someone's
going to complain.

Speaker 2 (28:07):
Sounds like many of the complaints that I get
Bullshit, don't you?
Wish it took a second to getthat through.
How's that to think about?
Wait a minute, what is this?
It didn't take any seconds.
It didn't take me long we knewthat was bullshit.

Speaker 4 (28:27):
Alright.
So those of you that arewatching us on Facebook and now
watching the game, it's still0-0.
About five minutes left in thefirst.

Speaker 2 (28:35):
Hey, Natalie's here.
Natalie says it's going to beperfect Awesome.

Speaker 5 (28:39):
Natalie Lopez.
Natalie.

Speaker 2 (28:40):
Lopez, Nice Thanks for joining us.
Natalie.
Appreciate it.
I hope that.

Speaker 4 (28:49):
As the outgoing Department Commander, I'm sure
that you and Ray Will be down atmidwinter and I know myself and
Jen Are going to look forwardto seeing you guys down there.
So Coming up here in a month Alittle bit less One of my
favorite programs, so I want tomake sure that we get a.

Speaker 5 (29:09):
I get my good plug in for the winter conference, so
that's one of the things we'llhave to get together and sit
down with some people and figureout a good time for the reveal?

Speaker 4 (29:21):
oh, yeah, for sure, we'll have to work with our
auxiliary president.
But Arnie, our post commander,get a case in it For the reveal.
Oh, yeah, for sure, and thatwe'll have to work with our
auxiliary president, but Arnieour post commander, and Merck,
our bar manager.

Speaker 2 (29:31):
Let's make a huge thing out of this because we can
talk to the post commandersfrom some of the other posts.

Speaker 4 (29:36):
Well, maybe we can get John Molder and we'll get
Roger Houck, our congressman andsenators, to come up.

Speaker 2 (29:41):
Yep, that'd be awesome.
I think we should absolutelytake some really good pictures
and then send them to PublicAffairs for VFW National See if
they'll throw it up on theirFacebook.

Speaker 4 (29:53):
Well, what I can do is I can have anything we want
to do, like that we get the goodpictures.
I can send them right up toBarry Walter at Department.
He'll make sure that goes onDepartment page and, if he,
needs to send them up, he cansend them right up to Barry
Walter at department.
He'll make sure that goes ondepartment page and if he needs
to send them up he can send themup.
Well, I mean more, so I don'tknow what the process is of that
stuff, but maybe, sinceNatalie's listening, maybe Ray

(30:15):
could help out with that too,and I mean more so, even for you
know, some of the post tourismthat we were mentioning earlier.

Speaker 2 (30:21):
Like you know, nobody knows Everybody knows that we
were mentioning earlier.
Like you know, nobody knows.
Everybody knows that we've gotposts all over the country, but
nobody knows that our post is onthe map with this motorcycle
until it's put out there.
Put it out there.
So.
I think we should absolutelythrow it on.

Speaker 4 (30:35):
like you know, national, and I'll try to get
ahold of Morning Sun which isour local newspaper, maybe
seeing them live, see if we canget them to maybe show up as
well.
Right we could have a good timewith this, well, but that's
what it's supposed to be about.
Right is get your name outthere.

(30:55):
Show appreciation, show support.

Speaker 2 (30:59):
Natalie says she misses us.
I don't know, Natalie.
Do you really?
That's awesome.

Speaker 5 (31:04):
She misses Jen more than don't know Natalie.
Do you really?
That's awesome?
She misses.

Speaker 4 (31:06):
Jen more than anybody , I guarantee, because Jen
hasn't been at the last coupleconferences, because I've just
gone down and gave my report andturned and burned because I've
always got something going on soI haven't been able to stay.
But mid-winter I make sure Iblock that whole weekend off,
right?

Speaker 5 (31:23):
Well, now Christmas is over over, we get the new
year's coming.
Anybody got any uh fancy plansfor the new year?
Any new year celebrations?

Speaker 4 (31:34):
no, I'm usually.

Speaker 5 (31:35):
I'm usually asleep by 10 o'clock be honest with you,
but, uh, actually we're hangingout with the kiddos, I think is
what we're doing.

Speaker 4 (31:43):
So yeah, that was just.
My son was messaging me.
He just picked up a newsnowmobile, oh yeah, so he's
been dinking around all day inthe garage, right?
So one of the things that we'regoing to try to do is run our
sleds up to St Ignace and thenrun that ice bridge from St
Ignace to Mackinac Island andthen ride around the island on

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the sleds?
Oh, that'd be cool, then backto St Ignace some night.

Speaker 2 (32:06):
Oh, I'm not brave enough for that, it'd be, cool
don't get me wrong, but I'm notbrave enough for that.

Speaker 5 (32:13):
Just stay in the throttle, even if you break
through.

Speaker 4 (32:15):
So the only bad thing is I've got to buy a new track
for my sled.
The guy that sold it to me wastoo cheap to put one on, so I'm
going to have to get one Wayoverpaid.

Speaker 5 (32:29):
Wow that guy's a jackass.

Speaker 2 (32:33):
What's wrong with that?
Hey, Jerry Fulton's on.

Speaker 4 (32:36):
Pressman, pressman made it.

Speaker 5 (32:38):
The track's bad on that.

Speaker 4 (32:40):
I can't believe it.
It's original Original trackGive me a break, Pressman what
are you up to tonight?

Speaker 5 (32:46):
Probably the best track there is.

Speaker 4 (32:47):
Besides listening to the best podcast in the world.

Speaker 5 (32:50):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (32:52):
You know who we need in here Roy Lopez, ray or Ray,
yeah, sorry.

Speaker 4 (32:57):
Sure, I'd love to have Ray come up Ray needs to
come in Phone Ray in.
Oh we could do that, actuallyPhone a friend.

Speaker 2 (33:04):
I forgot.
We have that opportunity.
I said Roy because I'm thinkingof Roy Thomas, our
quartermaster.
Yeah the one that didn't showup.
Yeah, the one that didn't showup, Roy.
I don't know if you'relistening.
Probably not.

Speaker 5 (33:19):
He's probably watching the game.
He probably is.

Speaker 2 (33:23):
I'll bet you they're over at the game.
He probably is.
I'll bet you they're over atthe over at the post.
Yeah, could be.
I'm pretty sure, because we'vebeen doing squares lately Trying
to, you know, raise some moneyand all that.

Speaker 5 (33:38):
Yeah speaking of squares.
You took my numbers.

Speaker 2 (33:41):
You're welcome.

Speaker 5 (33:43):
Yeah, huh.
Come on, get in here we have afour-legged friend with us.
Yeah, debbie, she was just inthe camera a minute ago.

Speaker 2 (33:55):
Oh, okay.

Speaker 5 (33:56):
Weren't ya.

Speaker 4 (33:58):
Rather than phone a friend we could phone a ray.

Speaker 2 (34:01):
Natalie says call him , he's up there.

Speaker 4 (34:04):
Oh, he must be up in Harrison at their lake house or
cottage, I think is what theycall it.

Speaker 2 (34:11):
I don't know how long we're going to be doing this
podcast, but we should call himand see if he wants to pop in.
I don't know how long of a rideis it from there, about half an
hour 45 minutes.

Speaker 5 (34:22):
Where's he at.

Speaker 4 (34:23):
They have a I don't know if they call it a cottage
or a lake house or something upin Harrison.

Speaker 5 (34:29):
Oh, okay, he's an hour 45 minutes to an hour.

Speaker 4 (34:34):
That might be a little stretch.
I didn't realize he was up.
Natalie must be at their housein Detroit.
So since I got a new phone Ilost a million contacts.
I actually do have somecontacts still.
I thought I was curious.

(34:55):
Maybe step out real quick andI'll make a call.

Speaker 2 (34:58):
All right, he's going to make a call Go to the back
door.

Speaker 5 (35:01):
Uh-oh, giggity, back door guests are best.
While he's doing that, let's uhyou want to shake that pen and
get it going.
Have Liz sign the banner.

Speaker 2 (35:18):
Oh man, do we have to do that?
Live on, we do.
Shake that baby, shake it, lookat that Shake it.
So, for those of you who don'tknow, here, in just a second
I'll grab the camera and I'llshow you we can take that right

(35:39):
now, can't we?

Speaker 5 (35:41):
Can we take it down?

Speaker 2 (35:42):
No, don't take it down, we're going to just sign
it.

Speaker 5 (35:45):
Sign it in place.

Speaker 2 (35:55):
Yeah, in place.
I didn't sign it in place, Idon't know what you did, but
anyway I'll take the camera downor switch it around here real
quick.
And then, but those of you whodon't know, we got a banner here
, a soup sandwich Podcast bannerthat Charlie had made up for us
, and it's become a traditionnow that every guest that we
have that comes up here has tosign the banner.
So yeah, that's pretty much it,short and sweet and to the

(36:19):
point.
Looks like Green Bay just wentup 3-0.
Hey, 3-0.
That's what we want.
So let me turn this around.
Give me one second minute.

Speaker 5 (36:28):
40 minute 40 in the first.
Do the one second I need somelights.

Speaker 2 (36:36):
Yeah, right over here .

Speaker 5 (36:42):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (36:43):
I don't know Where's the lights over here, charlie,
it's up on the fan.

Speaker 2 (36:46):
You got to take the phone.

Speaker 4 (36:48):
You got to turn the phone around.

Speaker 2 (36:49):
I will.
I'll turn the phone around.
I was more worried about thelight at the moment.

Speaker 4 (36:52):
Yeah, it's on the ceiling fan.
I got the ceiling fan on.

Speaker 2 (36:55):
All right, everybody Close up on the most handsome
man in the world.
All right Hold on a second Whoa.

Speaker 5 (37:05):
All right, Holy smokes what I just seen your Big
beautiful face right in theircamera.

Speaker 2 (37:11):
Like yeah, I told you I'm a handsome guy.
What can I say?
Wherever you want, liz initialssmiley face with your signature

(37:31):
.
You know the amount of peoplewho have been here.
I'm surprised nobody's drawinga dick up there yet oh, come on
now we.

Speaker 5 (37:41):
We're family friendly here.

Speaker 4 (37:42):
Hey, bill, yes, sir Just take a picture of him real
quick and I'll stick that up,wow.

Speaker 2 (37:52):
Are we family friendly, though?
Yes, literally, our disclaimersays 18 and up.
I'm just saying Ladies andgentlemen, I would like to take
the moment to remind you of ourdisclaimer.
Please don't sue us, all right.

(38:14):
Thank you.
Abigail oh boy oh boy.

Speaker 4 (38:22):
So I just got off the phone with the past department
commander, which is for Michigan, which is Ray Lopez.
He's up at their cottage.
They call it.

Speaker 2 (38:32):
The one and only Ray Lopez.

Speaker 4 (38:34):
He's been outside working in the rain all day, so
he's huddled up on the couchunder a blanket, sounding like
he's been out in the rain allday a little bit runny nose and
groggily throat.
So he definitely wants to knowthe next time we're going to
have one and hopefully he can beup here.
He just retired from Ford, so Ithink he's got some time on his

(38:56):
hands.
Yeah for sure, besides Natalieand their son Ben, at home.

Speaker 2 (39:02):
Right, right, right, oh boy Natalie says that her son
just learned a new word andit's my fault, uh-oh.

Speaker 4 (39:10):
Trading them right right off the start.

Speaker 5 (39:11):
I guess so.
What's that?
Go Navy oh, that's two words.
Go Navy, yeah.

Speaker 2 (39:19):
Hashtag sorry, not sorry, but kind of a little
sorry, Natalie, I don't know.
I'm kind of 50-50 on this.
Depends on what the word isD-I-C-K.
Oh.
So he just I guess.
Oh, she's just joking, Allright.
All right, we're good.
Like I said, hashtag sorry, notsorry, because there's a reason

(39:39):
for the disclaimer.
Actually, that was Tim's thing.
Where did he get that from?

Speaker 4 (39:48):
Get what the idea for that disclaimer.
I think he was like that's likea preemptive strike, like we
better do something before thisthing gets shut down.
Oh yeah, that's true, becausewe never asked besides the Post,
which this is a Post thing, andthat's why it says we don't
reflect the views of the posterthe post or the department or
national right.

(40:08):
This is just a bunch of idiotveterans sitting around talking
about anything and everything,so I think he was just doing it
to say, look, this is notaffiliated, or right necessarily
a part of anything.

Speaker 5 (40:21):
You know what.
What I mean being the postcommander, too kind of.

Speaker 4 (40:25):
So I think he just did it out of the, which was an
anomaly.
Tim was being smart for once.
No, I'm just kidding, love thatguy to death.
I mean, hell, I got his tattooon his arm.
I love that guy to death, so,but yeah, so, anyways, you know,
that's one of the things thatI'm kind of looking forward to

(40:47):
in the new year is maybe makingthat trip to Mackinac.
So now since my son got a newsnowmobile, he has his old 440
Jag he's trying to sell, but hedoesn't have to sell it.

Speaker 5 (41:01):
That's a plug, by the way.
No, no, no.
So that's a plug, by the way.
No, no, no.
What I'm saying is, you know,like?

Speaker 4 (41:06):
if his mom wants to go, or girlfriend wants to go or
something.
You know we have an extra sledrolling around.
Son-in-law wants to go, yeah,so you know, I mean it could be
a fun trip.
I've never done it, I've alwaysheard about it, you know,
because I guess on the islandthey have full-time residents.
Yeah, because I guess on theisland they have full-time
residents.
And for those of you that don'tknow, mackinac Island's a small

(41:26):
island between.
It's more in the upperpeninsula than it is in the
lower no vehicles allowed.
But it's a little island.
It's in Lake Michigan, but theycall it the Straits of Mackinac
.
The only way that you can getto the island is by ferry.
It's in Lake Huron.
It is in Huron, not in Michigan.
You're right, it's on the eastside, anyways.

Speaker 2 (41:48):
Dear diary.
A Marine said that the sailorwas right A.

Speaker 5 (41:51):
Marine said that.
But it is in Michigan.
So you know, there you go andit's in the Straits of Mackinac.
But I mean the state ofMichigan.

Speaker 4 (42:02):
Well, it's in the waters of Michigan, but anyways,
yeah, the only way you can.
I mean the state of Michigan,it's in the waters of Michigan,
but anyways, yeah, the only wayyou can get to the island
Coastal waters.

Speaker 2 (42:11):
We're all geography experts up here Trying to help
you out, Charlie.

Speaker 4 (42:14):
The only way you can get to the island is by ferry
and they do have some vehicles,so there's like some
construction equipment.
That's there.

Speaker 5 (42:19):
I think there's a fire truck.

Speaker 4 (42:20):
They do have an ambulance, I think they have a
fire truck.
They do have an ambulance, Ithink they have a fire truck,
but personal vehicles are notallowed there, except for the
governor.
The only motorized, like evenUPS and FedEx, deliver by horse
and carriage, which is crazy.

Speaker 5 (42:33):
Really cool and everything is by bike Throwback
nostalgic island.

Speaker 4 (42:37):
So it actually Dowd's supermarket is the oldest
supermarket in the country,Really From like 1820.
It's still owned by the samefamily, ran by the same family
Dowds D-O-U-D.
Wow, but anyways.
So they have full-timeresidence there and in the
wintertime you're allowed tohave a snowmobile because you

(42:58):
can't ride a bike.
Yeah, but everything else, sothey actually.
We were up there for one of myconferences for work.
We didn't go this last yearbecause they went to Bay Harbor,
but a year, two years ago, andelectric bikes were just
becoming like a big thing, right, All these electric bikes and
they put a clamp down on thembecause they go like 35 or 40

(43:26):
miles an hour.
They're crazy fast and you can'thear, and I guess people were
walking right, Because I meanyou can walk down the middle of
the road, basically becausesomeone else around the bike is
going 5 or 10 miles an hour.

Speaker 5 (43:38):
You got to worry about getting run over by a
horse Right.

Speaker 4 (43:40):
Yeah, you hear the horses coming, but so people
were crossing the street andgetting smoked by these people
on electric bikes.
So now they're like no moreelectric bikes, so they're not
even allowed to have electricbike there anymore.
And the island if you went allthe way from start to finish,
all the way around that thing,it's like nine and a half miles
or one mile.

Speaker 5 (43:57):
Yeah something like that.
We got an island freaking gurusitting over here.

Speaker 4 (44:03):
Yeah, there's actually a lady that I don't
follow her on Facebook but shepops up on my For you page all
the time that lives up there, soI watch all her videos and she
was just talking about becauseshe does them all the time.
The Shepler ferry service isshut down.
Now it's just down to Arnold,yeah.

Speaker 5 (44:22):
Didn't Arnold buy Sheplers?
I think they bought them outdidn't they?

Speaker 4 (44:26):
I don't know, but they have the ferries that are
more or less like an icebreakertype ferry.
So, yeah, all the other onesare done for the year, so it
must be cold and they'restarting to build ice, so I
think it would be pretty cool tohave that.
That would be awesome Be ableto do that.
Just to say that I did it.
It's kind of one of thosethings that's like trust that

(44:48):
right, harley's, you go down andride the Tail of the Dragon and
Chair Low Skyway and stuff likethat.

Speaker 5 (44:50):
Oh, tail of the Dragon, that's awesome Just to
say that you got the.

Speaker 4 (44:53):
you know, I did it, Yep.

Speaker 5 (44:54):
Bucket list thing, yep.

Speaker 1 (44:57):
For sure.
Alright, here it is.

Speaker 2 (45:06):
Even riding, riding your bike over the Mighty Mac.
I mean, that's a lot of people.
Put that on their list to do.
Mackinac Island covers 4.35square miles.

Speaker 4 (45:13):
Yeah, but he's talking about the perimeter,
yeah, like if you went aroundwhatever it's called.
I think you're right.

Speaker 5 (45:17):
It's around the whole island.

Speaker 4 (45:19):
It's like 9 miles or 11 miles.

Speaker 5 (45:22):
All I know is.

Speaker 4 (45:23):
We did this one.

Speaker 5 (45:24):
Oh, dang it.
The Viking just went up 7-3Vikings Terrible.

Speaker 2 (45:31):
Eight miles in circumference.
Eight miles, yeah, so we wentover there.

Speaker 4 (45:37):
Our daughter, madison , is 25.
Just got back out of theMarines.
My wife's mom and dad camp allthe time, camp, camp, camp.
Jen's mom and dad.
We went up there and stayed inSt Ignace camping.
We were tent camping, took thebikes across with a little

(45:57):
trailer for the kid.
We put all of our lunches andstuff in that thing.
We're going to go halfwayaround and it's like british
landing or something on thenorth end of the island.
Yeah, stop and have lunch.
We stop.
No food, oh it was her mom, anddad, jen and I and madison.
She sat back in the back of thetrailer, ate like five

(46:20):
sandwiches, all the grapes, allthe oranges drank, had like one
bottle of water left Right whenwe stopped.
She's like oh, you gotta bekidding me.

Speaker 2 (46:32):
You gotta be kidding me.

Speaker 4 (46:33):
She drank and ate everything.
So we had to go all the way backaround the island to get back
to where all the ferries come into eat lunch, and then she grew
an inch that day and then we'resitting there at the restaurant
eating and she wanted like macand cheese.
And Jen goes no, you ate all ofour lunch.
And she starts crying andpeople are looking at us like

(46:56):
you're not going to get your kidsomething to eat.
And nope, Not knowing that shejust ate five sandwiches and
four big things of grapes andbananas and oil.

Speaker 3 (47:05):
I was like you've got to be kidding me, carrots
string cheese Jen's like carrotsand string cheese.

Speaker 4 (47:09):
Yeah, she ate everything.

Speaker 2 (47:12):
Speaking of trips we are Natalie sorry to interrupt
real quick.
Natalie said Ray just calledbummed.
He's feeling under the weather.
Would love to come on sometime.
Well, he has an open invitation, natalie.

Speaker 4 (47:25):
And I will let him know with plenty of notice,
because we typically book theseout about a week or so.

Speaker 2 (47:30):
Yeah, a week or two in advance, depending on what's
going on.

Speaker 5 (47:35):
So we just talked about speaking of trips.
We're talking about for in July, or no, June, excuse me, In
June, In June.

Speaker 2 (47:44):
In.

Speaker 5 (47:44):
Jaloon.

Speaker 4 (47:46):
That's the new July.
That's the end of July.
End, of June, beginning of July.

Speaker 5 (47:53):
Shelby, which is Liz's daughter, wants to go to
Salem, and so she's been talkingabout this for 10 years
probably, right, yeah?
And she has been wanting to goout there to do this, and we
were supposed to do it last yearon her 18th birthday.
Well, everything got in the way.

(48:15):
Too many other things got, youknow, conflicts.
Well, this year for her 19thbirthday, which is on Friday the
13th we're going to go to Salemthere.
You go On her birthday onFriday the 13th and go check out
.

Speaker 4 (48:31):
You're talking about Massachusetts, right?

Speaker 5 (48:33):
Yeah, salem, because there's also one in North
Carolina.
Yeah all the witches and Salemwitches and all this stuff.
She's into this stuff.
So we're going to take thefifth wheel out there and make a
family trip out of it, takingsome family trips and no, shelby
, you're not going to eat allthe damn sandwiches either, but

(48:53):
yeah, so that's going to be fun.
That's something we're lookingforward to.
We just kind of made up theseplans at Christmas.

Speaker 4 (49:00):
Good, we'll make sure that you block it on your
calendar.
Oh yeah, that way you can't letsomething else get in the way.

Speaker 5 (49:07):
Oh no, Because that's what always happens to us.

Speaker 4 (49:10):
It's like, well, let's do this.
And you never put it in thecalendar.

Speaker 5 (49:14):
Yeah, this is a birthday trip.
Oh, no, I've got this.
No, I've got that.
No, something else pops up.
This one's a done deal.

Speaker 4 (49:21):
That's what I say, like midwinter, as soon as I
find out what weekend midwinteris, it's in the calendar.
I don't care if it's a 105thbirthday party.
I'm missing it Sorry.
This made the calendar suitfirst.
Sorry, it is what it is.

Speaker 5 (49:37):
It's going to be a fun time.
We're just going to boogie outthere and stay in the fifth
wheel and go check out the sitesI've I've never really been.
I mean, I've been tomassachusetts but I've never
really been to salem, I neverreally yeah, we went to.

Speaker 4 (49:52):
We went to boston once I think I spoke about it on
this uh, met with some of mymarine corps buddies, but we
went out, took the girls outthere for four or five days in
december.
Yeah and uh, it was awesome.
Man, yeah, that's the historyand the old school stuff.
We didn't do any witchcraftstuff, you know.

Speaker 6 (50:06):
Besides, Went toward the Boston history.
Yeah, yeah, that's what I wantto do.
We went to.

Speaker 4 (50:11):
Sam Adams and toured the brewery and stuff.
That was cool, Yep.

Speaker 5 (50:14):
I think it's going to be a blast, so we're going to
go spend three, four days outthere.

Speaker 2 (50:24):
Boy, oh, boy, oh.
Years haven't really done much.
We went to Disney a couple ofyears ago.
Definitely want to go back,just because young kids and
Disney.

Speaker 5 (50:34):
We did that?
How many years ago?
Disney Five, six.

Speaker 6 (50:40):
More than that, has it been more than?

Speaker 5 (50:42):
that.
Yeah, it's a blast, it's ablast Good time.

Speaker 2 (50:46):
So Tiffany and I, shortly about a year after we
went to Disney so this was lastyear she had to go to a work
trip for a conference that theywere having down in Orlando Nine
years ago.

Speaker 6 (50:58):
It'll be nine years from now, so nine years Wow.

Speaker 2 (51:01):
Damn, nine years ago.
Nine years Time flies.
Huh, yeah, it does.
But so Tiffany had to go downto she's in medical billing and
coding.
So she had to go to aconference that her work wanted
her to go to and they basicallyextended it out to the spouses.
They were like, hey, you guyswant to go, you have to pay your
airfare and whatnot, but we'realready buying a hotel room for

(51:23):
you, so you might as well.
Just, you know Right.
And Tiffany asked me and I waslike you don't have to ask me
twice, that's right.
So we went down there and theyput us up in this freaking huge,
like it was the hotel that theconference was at, and I can't
remember what it was called, butit was one of those huge like
five-star, freaking ridiculousplaces.

(51:44):
Yeah nice, but it was nice, it'sall right off.
Oh yeah, it's all right off.
But the conference was for oneof their medical.
I think it was an electronichealth record system company.
Well, the company, one of thenights of the conference, rented
out the entire park ofHollywood Studios.

(52:08):
Oh wow, and so it was.
They had a 50% off coupon.

Speaker 5 (52:13):
Yeah right, Maybe Buy one, get one free.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (52:17):
That entire park was empty, except for like 2,000
people.
Wow, and if you can think aboutit, those parks are huge.
So 2,000 people ain't nothing,right, you know.
Empty, except for like 2 000people.
Wow, and if you can think aboutit, those parks are huge.
So 2 000 people ain't nothing,right, you know?
So it's, it was just insane togo there.

Speaker 5 (52:30):
Did you do the harry potter thing?

Speaker 2 (52:31):
oh absolutely.
Oh man, was that not cool thatdragon that kept blowing the oh
that was the bus, so okay, sothat's a huge ass, dragon head
right.

Speaker 5 (52:40):
But we didn't go there, we didn't go there.

Speaker 2 (52:42):
so we went to to.
I don't know if Tiffany'swatching, maybe she could post a
comment, let me know and remindme.
But the one that we went to wasHogwarts.
But you hop on the train andthe train takes you to another
park and that other park is likethe alley.

(53:03):
What's the alley called?
I forget, not sure I can'tremember, but anyway.

Speaker 4 (53:11):
I know what you're talking about.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (53:13):
And that's where the dragon is, because the dragon's
on top of the Gringotts Bank.

Speaker 5 (53:17):
Oh, it was cool and every so often you would hear it
, it would start wheezing.
Diagon Alley, that's what it is.
Diagon Alley, that's what it is, and then all of a sudden rawr
and you would feel the heat fromthe damn flame.
Oh yeah, it was like damn neartouchable.

Speaker 4 (53:31):
It was cool.
Yeah, jed just texted me andsaid Diagon.

Speaker 2 (53:34):
Cool, yeah, really awesome.
Yeah, man, I'm excited for thenew Epic Universe park to open,
because now, so they got the twoparks so far.
One of them has, uh, diagonAlley, the other one has
Hogwarts, and then this thirdpark is going to open and it's
going to have Harry Potter aswell, but the new one is going
to have the Ministry of Magic.
When do you want to go downthere?

(53:55):
You're going to go down therethis year?
I would love to, but we don'treally have the money for that,
so I gotta, we gotta.

Speaker 4 (54:00):
it's one of those things you gotta got to save up
for If you decide to go downnext year let me know Like 2025,
next year, no 2026, even Okay.
So we have a condo down therein Orange Lake, which is just
outside Animal Kingdom.
So it's a two-bedroom,two-bathroom big condo.
It's beautiful.

(54:21):
That's awesome.
If you just want to pay mymaintenance fees for that year,
which is like $1,200 orsomething like that, you can
take it for the week.
Beautiful.
It's on the second floor.
It's only a two-story building.
You can literally sit on theback balcony and watch the
fireworks from Animal Kingdom.
It's that close.

(54:41):
That's awesome.
It's right on the golf course.
A lot of you go stay in Disney.
It's like $800 a night For aview of the parking lot.
Yeah, easy when.
This is a resort that's gotpools.
It actually has a train systemin it That'll take you to
different sections of the resortthat have all these different

(55:01):
pools.
They have wave pools.
They got water park it's allfree.
They got mini park it's allfree.
You're in the resort.
They got mini golf that's free.
They got all kinds of stuff.
It's awesome.
We went down to it probablythree or four years ago for the
week right when we got it.
We rent it out every year afterthat because there's always
people that want to help them.

Speaker 2 (55:22):
Is it a timeshare?
Do you actually own it?

Speaker 4 (55:25):
No, we own that week.
It's a timeshare.
Okay yeah, but we got it.
A lot of our friends have kidsthat want to go to Disney, so
they're like you know hell.
It costs us six grand just tostay at Disney.
If I can get yours for two thebedrooms.
They got all the other stuff atthe resort so they don't have
to be in the park all the time.
You cook your own meals and youdo all your stuff.

(55:46):
They're not in a hotel room for800 bucks a night yeah you know
what I mean, so it's and it'slike costing 300 bucks to rent a
car.
Okay, so they're 2,800.
2,500, all in right, and if yougo, stay at disney, hell,
you're not staying there for aweek, for no, you're not even
close no.

Speaker 2 (56:04):
So we'd have to, we'd have to look it up and take a
look.
I mean, I don't know, man, likesince covet happened and
everything, disney's kind of ona downturn and then not to get
political or anything, butthey've been doing some
political gaming and stuff inthe uh, in the movie sphere and
like putting elements in moviesthat a lot of people don't like,
and it's been.

(56:24):
You look at their stocks andthey're down.
So I think they're trying toget it back on the up and up.
Don't get me wrong, they're onthe downturn but they're still
top dog Because they own Fox andthey own all these other things
and it's crazy.
But yeah, so they're offering awhole bunch of crazy stuff to

(56:48):
travel agents and whatnot, and Idon't care what anybody says.
You, you know you go through atravel agent, you're going to
get the best deal because theyoffer them all kinds of stuff,
especially if you get a travelagent that is registered with
Disney, like if they are one oftheir Disney-registered people.
You don't pay the travel agentanything, it's all Disney pays

(57:12):
them.
They pay them a commission ofthe trip that they book you.
So something to think aboutthere, but anyway, something to
think about.
I don't know, I had never beento Hollywood Studios before
Universal Hollywood Studios, Idon't know, I've never been.
There's another one inCalifornia, I think that's

(57:35):
Universal, anyway.
So, talking about trips andstuff, that was the one that we
most recently did.
Some other ideas Hershey,pennsylvania, man, that's a
great place to go.

Speaker 5 (57:51):
Been through there.
I haven't been to it.

Speaker 2 (57:53):
Yeah, so almost the whole city smells like chocolate
.
It's crazy, it's insane.

Speaker 5 (58:02):
Yeah, I've been through the town, but I never
stopped, okay.

Speaker 2 (58:07):
Yep, so that's a cool place to go.
I've never been to Branson,missouri, but apparently that's
a good place to go.
Tiffany went on another workconference that I mean it could
have gone on, but we didn't getanybody to watch the kids, so I
didn't go.
But uh, um, she went down andthey put uh, that time it was in

(58:28):
nashville and they put her upat dollywood.
Yeah, that's fun yeah, that wasa huge like indoor atrium and
like all kinds of and she.
She said to me it's only like aneight hour drive from here and
she's like that it'd be a goodplace for the kids to go.
So I don't know, we're havingsome of these ideas because we

(58:48):
don't want to be stuck at homeall the time, right?
Well, it's all aboutaffordability.

Speaker 5 (58:54):
That too we went.
One time we went out to theArch, st Louis, so we seen the
Arch and we're like all rightnow what you know, it was cool.
We went up and, you know, didthe thing.
She didn't want to do any ofthe brewery tours, so I was like
all right, what are we going todo now?
She goes, let's go see Elvis.
I'm like Elvis In like Memphis,she's like yeah, so guess where

(59:18):
we went?

Speaker 4 (59:21):
Fucking St Louis, Missouri to Memphis, Tennessee.
You've got to get them to takeyou to the Cayman Islands.

Speaker 5 (59:25):
That was a long trip.

Speaker 4 (59:27):
Isn't that where they brew your Cayman Jacks at?

Speaker 6 (59:29):
Hell yeah, let's go.

Speaker 4 (59:30):
You're going to do a brewery tour.
That works.

Speaker 5 (59:37):
Book it, dano, we're going to Salem this year.

Speaker 6 (59:39):
We can go to Cayman.

Speaker 4 (59:42):
I actually got lucky because, jen, when she was in
law state law she had aconference in Orlando.
So, yeah, same principle as youdid, right, everything for her
was paid for.
I just got to tag along, so Ihad to book my own flight, pay

(01:00:03):
for that, pay for my own foodand stuff, you know.
But we actually left a dayearly, came back a day late and,
yeah, paid for everything.

Speaker 5 (01:00:08):
So it was a good time .

Speaker 4 (01:00:10):
We had a lot of fun.

Speaker 5 (01:00:12):
So when's your boss having a trip?

Speaker 4 (01:00:17):
Employees only.

Speaker 5 (01:00:19):
Employees only right exactly.

Speaker 4 (01:00:22):
Conference in Las Vegas?
That would suck.
Oh, it's just so dang expensivein vegas, man, when I was out
there for darts last year, twoyears ago nine dollars for a
mcultra bottle damn.

Speaker 5 (01:00:36):
So we went out and seen my niece in uh, arizona,
and uh we, we left out of thereand went to to vegas.
And we were in ve Vegas the daybefore they opened up from
COVID.
We went there.
There was nobody, it was like aghost town.
We left.
The very next day they openedup I'm like whatever.

(01:00:58):
And then we went to LA thatsame trip.
We were out in LA, went to gocheck out the Hollywood sign and
they closed it just as we weregetting ready to go watch, you
know, go up the thing.
Well, that was the whole GeorgeFloyd deal, right.
And we were on the stars, youknow, doing the strip, and

(01:01:20):
everybody was like, hey, youguys need to get out of here.
They're going to be riotinghere in another hour or two.
It's like, wow, really.
So we left out of there, went topull into a gas station and the
lights went off.
It's like, hey, we need to getgas.
Sorry, pumps are shut.
We got a rat coming.
We had about a quarter tank, sowe took off, left out of there

(01:01:42):
and and we all these people werewalking past us on the road and
there was people with backpackson and I made a comment.
One guy had a like a triggersprayer bottle on his backpack
and I'm like what the hell is hegonna do?
Clean the graffiti up orsomething you know?
And I made a joke about it whenwe got out of there and we got
a hotel uh alarms going off onour phones, you know curfews,

(01:02:05):
get out, you know riots and allthis crap.
And so I made that joke.
And we get to the hotel an houror so away and what they were
doing was they were peeing inthe damn trigger sprayer to
spray cops with that's nasty.

(01:02:26):
And I wonder why they get shotright.
I mean, how stupid right You'regoing to do this crap, yep.
But yeah, we were literally inLA the day of the riots when
that George Floyd wholesituation was going on and I was
like crazy.
Yeah, that was a wild coupleweeks.

(01:02:48):
We spent a couple weeks out.

Speaker 4 (01:02:50):
So when I was out in Twina and Palms, one of Jen's
favorite things to do was watchKTLA or KTLV or whatever it was.
Local crime shows no, just alocal news channel Every day.
There's a police chase Everyday and they're like hours long
Really.
They cut whatever regularprogramming and go to that.

(01:03:11):
So she'd sit there and I thinkit's KTLA.

Speaker 2 (01:03:17):
Now, that's reality television.

Speaker 4 (01:03:19):
She loved that shit.

Speaker 5 (01:03:22):
That was a wild trip, but you know that picture.
We could see the Hollywood signfrom the highway and we went to
a beach there.
I don't even know what beach itwas Ocean sign, you remember I
was in Santa Monica.
We drove through Malibu, but itwas dark so I didn't get to see
Charlie's house there on MalibuRight yeah, what was that?

(01:03:44):
Two and a half men yeah, wedidn't get to see Charlie's men,
men, men men, men men In Malibu.

Speaker 2 (01:03:51):
Well, we drove through Malibu because she said
it was better Do you have anynon-alcoholic beverages.

Speaker 4 (01:03:56):
There's a 9-8 beer in there.

Speaker 5 (01:04:00):
There's MountainA beer in there.
If you want a 9A beer, I don'tlike beer.

Speaker 2 (01:04:05):
Something to think about.
I think it's funny.
I was just going to call it outreal quick.
You know, california has gonethe way it's gone for years.
You know, and never, never Arethere things that are absolutely
beautiful there, absolutely,absolutely gorgeous.
But does it make me want tovisit your state.
Hell, no, oh I would.

(01:04:26):
I'd go back in a heartbeat.
I mean, I don't know, it'sbeautiful out there.
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:04:30):
Politics aside there's a reason why that is the
number one state in the UnitedStates.
Put politics aside, and it isabsolutely gorgeous out there.

Speaker 2 (01:04:44):
Well, I mean, it is gorgeous, you get into.

Speaker 5 (01:04:45):
LA and you get on the coast side of LA.
Just unbelievable, justabsolutely gorgeous.

Speaker 2 (01:04:53):
I have to think about it.

Speaker 5 (01:04:53):
I would love to go back again.

Speaker 2 (01:04:54):
I mean because I'd like to go see Alcatraz and I'd
like to go see some of thatstuff.

Speaker 5 (01:04:59):
Have you seen the movie Speaking of Alcatraz?
Did you see the movie yeahmovie speaking of Alcatraz.
Did you see?

Speaker 3 (01:05:07):
the movie yeah, rock, no before the rock the escape
original one yeah, it's cleanEastwood.

Speaker 5 (01:05:10):
Yeah, look at this.
Look at the clothes they'rewearing.
What do you tell us?
It's just like the dungarees inthe Navy exactly blue, with the
pockets in the front and no,they can say that, I remember
that exactly, yeah, exactpeacoat everything.
So you guys wore prisonuniforms, that's exactly right.
Basically, we wore Alcatrazprison uniforms.

Speaker 2 (01:05:34):
No, I didn't, but you did.

Speaker 5 (01:05:36):
No, I mostly wore coveralls I didn't wear
coveralls either.
I hated dungarees.

Speaker 2 (01:05:42):
Absolutely hated them .
You know we're talking aboutyou, about on the federal level,
saving money and everything.
How about you only issue peopleuniforms that they actually
need?
I was issued like four pairs ofcoveralls I was issued.
What else was I issued?

(01:06:03):
Hell, I can't remember what itis now, but yeah, never wore
them.

Speaker 5 (01:06:09):
Two sets of whites, two sets of Johnny Cash.
I never wore them either.
Like you know, Working whites,working blues.

Speaker 2 (01:06:17):
We didn't have those either, but they got rid of all
those.

Speaker 5 (01:06:20):
I'm just thinking to myself, like the jumpsuits, the
black and white jumpsuits.

Speaker 2 (01:06:24):
I was issued coveralls and I think I wore
them once the entire six years Iwas in, and it was because I
wasn't on ship.
So it was like what did youwear?

Speaker 4 (01:06:35):
But if you got reassigned, are they going to be
able to get you into somewhereto issue you what you need?

Speaker 2 (01:06:42):
I mean in the grand scheme of things.
Yeah, that's why they don'thave it I you what you need.
I mean in the grand scheme ofthings, yeah, I think they would
you know on last minute basis,like emergency basis think about
it though your, your, yourgovernment issue.

Speaker 5 (01:06:53):
How many clothes that they give you really isn't shit
.

Speaker 4 (01:06:56):
They don't you pay for yeah, but you yeah you pay
for it but pay for it.

Speaker 2 (01:07:01):
But the thing is is.
But the thing is me times,however, other many people,
because you don't get your firstduty station until after your
training command.
So then you will find out onyour detailing week when you're
going to go Just easier to issuethem all, right, I guess that

(01:07:22):
does make sense logistically,but whatever.

Speaker 5 (01:07:24):
Get it all done and over with, and there you have it
, and then you have it whateverwe don't, we don't care about
common sense around here.
Yeah you know you got your cbag and go with it.
See you, nope, good luck to you.

Speaker 4 (01:07:37):
Essentially, yeah, so don't drown yeah, no, and I, I,
I.
When I was out in California Ididn't get to do a whole lot.

Speaker 3 (01:07:47):
When I was in the 20 of Palms.
I was up in the high desert.

Speaker 4 (01:07:51):
Palm Springs area but up in the mountain area.
We had Joshua Tree NationalForest right there.
Oh yeah, we'd go down to PalmSprings or Yucca Valley.
We actually went to Big Bearone time, went up in the
mountains and the lake andstayed with some friends for a
weekend and had a great time.
And we'd fly in and out of LA alot, so a couple hour drive.

(01:08:14):
Well, you say, politics aside,wouldn't you say?

Speaker 5 (01:08:17):
it was absolutely gorgeous out in California.

Speaker 2 (01:08:19):
Oh yeah, I mean.

Speaker 5 (01:08:20):
I'd go back in a heartbeat.

Speaker 6 (01:08:23):
I wouldn't, want to live there.

Speaker 4 (01:08:24):
I would probably go back out to visit.

Speaker 5 (01:08:27):
We didn't go see the Redwood Forest.
There was so much more.

Speaker 6 (01:08:31):
We went up to San Monica and drove up.
It was gorgeous, but we didn'tsee.
So much.

Speaker 5 (01:08:36):
Even all of that, that whole trip driving.
I mean, we I don't even knowhow many miles we put on in a
couple weeks.
A couple thousand, easy, I wasjust going to, but some of the
driving through just getting toCalifornia, there was boulders
the size of this whole room, Imean, and just stacks of them
everywhere.
It was just really cool.
I'm not even sure where thatwas even at.

Speaker 2 (01:08:59):
I was just going to throw out there talk a little
bit of politics because I thinkit's hilarious.
Well, Trey's throw out there umtalk a little bit of politics,
because I think it's hilarious,because trey's not here so we're
free.
Yeah, yeah, right, you knowcamifornia kind of shot
themselves in the foot, you knowdoing what they've been doing
over the last few years and thenthey just changed the law now
so they're trying to curb, uh,shoplifting and everything.

(01:09:20):
Oh.
So now it it accrues, so youget picked up for shoplifting.
They take note of how much youstole the dollar amount and then
once it accrues over the felonylevel, then you start getting
felony charges and it'sretroactive apparently.

Speaker 4 (01:09:36):
So it's crazy because they upped it to like $800.
And it's only a misdemeanor.
So people running intoWalgreens and everywhere else
right, they take $600 worth ofstuff and take off If they get
caught.
It's just a misdemeanor, not abig deal, so that was that prop?

Speaker 5 (01:09:50):
Was it Prop 66?
Something like that?
So now they're not looking atit per incident, but it's
additional, it's cumulative,cumulative.

Speaker 4 (01:09:58):
So if you get picked, up with $200, but the next time
you get picked up a $600, youhit the $800 threshold.

Speaker 5 (01:10:03):
No, it's a felony.

Speaker 4 (01:10:04):
Now you're going to serve some time.

Speaker 2 (01:10:05):
Good, so it is absolutely good, prop 36.
The hilarious thing and I'msurprised you might not have
seen it yet, but there's a copcam going around where they
arrested these girls and then onthe inside of the cop car there
was a camera watching the backseat and she's sitting there

(01:10:27):
talking to her friend.
She goes, she bumps her friendlike they're handcuffed, you
know, bumps her friend like this.
She goes that new law we'regoing to jail like blah blah,
blah blah.
Like they knew exactly.

Speaker 5 (01:10:39):
They knew exactly what they were talking about and
because one of the cops saidyou're uh three to ten now
Vikings.
They just went up by three.

Speaker 2 (01:10:46):
Come on, Packers Can't believe I'm rooting for
the Packers.

Speaker 5 (01:10:49):
Come on, packers.
I know it's ridiculous.

Speaker 4 (01:10:53):
Friggin' cheeseheads.
Well, they got a two-minutedrill right here before the
halftime.
Well, Well, so quick.
Anybody been watching what'sgoing on in Canada?

Speaker 5 (01:11:03):
Oh yeah, they're having their Trump revolution,
they're really shitting on theirgovernor or their president,
whatever he called him.

Speaker 4 (01:11:11):
So Trudeau's dad apparently was prime minister
back in the 70s 60s and did thesame thing.
He run Canada into the ground.
So they're the conservativeparty that's up there now.
Trump, I don't think, think,was probably lying when he said
we can make canada you know the53rd state or 52nd state, and

(01:11:36):
we'll make whoever the governorright like you would have stayed
here of canada right, and theycan join the united states.
When you start talking abouttariffs Now, the conservative
party is going to fight back onthe tariff thing because we buy
a lot from them.
They buy a lot from us Energy,auto stuff.
It's going to be a nightmare,but I've been reading a lot of

(01:11:58):
actual citizens, just like herein the United States, that are
like we'd love to be a part ofthe United States.
Mm-hmm.
Really Straight up.
Wow.
Straight up.
They said I'd vote for it.
If they said you're going to bethe 52nd state, perfect, no
problem.
Now our money is the samebecause right now their loonie

(01:12:19):
is down so much like it's like60 cents to what an american
dollar is.
So now their dollar is going tobe dollar for dollar, right,
and their economy will be somuch better.
There's not going to be anytariffs.
They'll get different healthcare.
They'll get different.
I mean they're I think, they'repretty.
It's probably never, ever goingto happen I know but they're
getting the conversation started.

(01:12:40):
So it's like the brexit thing,right.
Yeah, when they left the EU,you know it was like, oh, it's
going to kill.
You know the United Kingdom'sgoing to go on and it's not
going to, but a partnership'sgot to be a partnership, and I
think Canadians are left on anisland, unfortunately, and I
think it's waking a lot ofpeople up especially up there to

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say look, you know why are wedoing things the way we've been
doing them.
We need to do somethingdifferent.
You know and if that's what it'sgoing to take, I wouldn't be
surprised.

Speaker 2 (01:13:11):
Yeah, and I would like to see what happens because
, yeah, canada's got some weirdshit going on up there.
I watch Linus Tech Tips, linusSebastian.
He's a tech guru from Canada,from.

Speaker 4 (01:13:29):
Vancouver.
Do you not learn anythingBecause you have a hard time
setting this thing up?

Speaker 5 (01:13:33):
He does.
It must be different.

Speaker 4 (01:13:35):
He's not an AV guy, no, no.

Speaker 2 (01:13:37):
He can probably figure it out, but I don't know.
But anyway, yeah so I watch himand he did a whole episode on
one of their new propositions,or whatever they were going to
do, and it was basically likethey could tell YouTubers and
whatnot what they could post andwhat they couldn't post.
Oh for sure, oh he got it andall this other stuff.

Speaker 5 (01:13:57):
He just got it first down.

Speaker 4 (01:13:59):
There we go.
For sure, that doesn't surpriseme, and this is where we're
lucky to be Americans, becausewe have some protections and
fortunately, I think thesepeople that get elected doesn't
matter if they're congressmen,senators, whatever they're
scared of that, becauseinformation that they're going
to say is disinformation or fakenews or something else that's

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out there, or fake news, orsomething else that's out there.
People that are my generationand even Bill's generation
you're 10 years older than me,right?
How old are you?
55?
52.
52, okay, so he's eight yearsolder than me, but we're
different generations.

(01:14:42):
I mean, I'm like the cutoff ofthe Gen Z or whatever it is.

Speaker 5 (01:14:45):
I'm 78.

Speaker 4 (01:14:46):
I think 80 was the cutoff.
What is it?
What's the cutoff?
It's 80, 1980.
Of my generation.
Then it goes millennials.
Then it goes millennials.
I'm the same generation asCharlie.

Speaker 6 (01:14:59):
You're a Z, then it goes millennials.
I'm the same generation asCharlie.

Speaker 5 (01:15:02):
Holy shit, that's what's wrong with you, which is
Gen X right.

Speaker 2 (01:15:06):
Up until 1980.

Speaker 4 (01:15:08):
Yeah, so Gen X is 1980.
Then it goes millennial afterthat, right?
I hate that though.

Speaker 2 (01:15:13):
Because I'm not a fucking millennial 78.

Speaker 4 (01:15:17):
If it goes to 80, you're a Gen X, so he was born
in 70?
72.

Speaker 3 (01:15:24):
Yeah, so you're Gen X .
Okay, sorry, I know I'm Gen X,so what I'm saying?

Speaker 4 (01:15:28):
is my generation.
It goes to 80.
My generation and younger.
We are peer-to-peer news,typically right.
We're going to listen to apodcast like this, a shit show
that we have going on, we'regoing to listen to.
I don't care if listen toTikTok or Facebook or Twitter or
whatever.
We're going to get peer-to-peernews.

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We're going to fact check, evenif whatever we say tonight,
fact check everything we say.
That's why we have a guysitting there with a computer
all the time.

Speaker 5 (01:15:59):
Normally it's tech, but that jackass couldn't make
it Normally.

Speaker 4 (01:16:01):
it's tech that's over there hacking away.
You can hear him on the lastpodcast constantly.
That's great because he's goodat what he does.
That's right.
Because we need to befact-checked, because what we
hear might not always be rightand could be fake news or
disinformation.
Sometimes right, we don't turnon mainstream media.

Speaker 2 (01:16:19):
I guess I am a millennial.

Speaker 4 (01:16:20):
I go to my dad's this morning for coffee.
Oh, it drives you nutslistening to the news.
Yeah, he doesn't have the TV on, so we're sitting there talking
.
You know, last couple dayswe've been traveling, went over
to Holland, which I have tofinish my story about that one,
went to a different post Talkedabout it earlier, yeah and
yesterday down to Detroit to getthat snowmobile and he goes.
Because you hate Fox News and Idon't hate any news.

(01:16:45):
I hate the repetition.
Like if I'm over here havingcoffee with my dad for an hour,
I hear the same story or thesame diatribe.
Yep, everything the same, thisthe same.
That oh, it's like a repeat.
I hate the fact that we have24-hour news.
They don't report news.
They bring in people that havetheir own opinions.

(01:17:07):
They should have.
It's awesome being an armchairquarterback, but we don't have
football games running 24 hoursa day.
It's the same football game.
These guys aren't going to endthe Packers game tonight and
turn around and play these guysright away again.
We're hearing the same garbagerepeated and repeated and
repeated.
We don't watch it.

Speaker 5 (01:17:24):
We don't listen to it .
Yeah, it gets old.
Yeah, it's terrible.
I had the news on this morningand I think I lasted 10 minutes
and I'm like I can't listen tothis.

Speaker 1 (01:17:33):
This is dribbling.

Speaker 5 (01:17:35):
It's just the same junk over and over and it's all
bashing.
It's all so slanted in one way,which is fine if that's the.
But our mainstream, national,mainstream news shouldn't be one
way.
It should be news.
This is what happened.
I don't want your opinion, Idon't want your right think, but

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there are some independent newsorganizations out there that
are that way, but they'll neverget traction.

Speaker 4 (01:18:02):
It's the same reason why we'll never have a
third-party candidate really beable to run for president, it's
difficult Because if you're notone side or the other side,
you're not going to get anindependent that's ever going to
have a serious chance.
Right.
So it's the same thing when itcomes to news, If you're not
going to be right or left.
Those independents are what Ourgeneration people listen to.

Speaker 5 (01:18:25):
Probably the closest thing we ever had to an
independent was Ross Perot ohright, you're talking 92?
And all he did was split theRepublican ticket and secured
Clinton Bill Clinton forpresident.

Speaker 4 (01:18:36):
So that's why a lot of people think that those
people shouldn't have a chance,right, and I think it's wrong.
Yep.
What did you open up?

Speaker 2 (01:18:43):
A Mountain Dew Okay.

Speaker 4 (01:18:45):
Now I know I have to drink the rest of the week.
Yep, if you don't finish it,I'm a lightweight.
You want to put a little vodkain that?
Nah, I'm good.

Speaker 5 (01:18:53):
I think there's some bourbon.

Speaker 4 (01:18:54):
That's a good idea.

Speaker 2 (01:18:57):
It's all a good mix man Well, in all seriousness did
you guys know that Mountain.
Dew started as a mixer.
Before it was a soda Soda pop.

Speaker 4 (01:19:07):
Started as a mixer.
Only an alcoholic would knowthat that's why you know it.

Speaker 5 (01:19:12):
I don't drink Mountain Dew, so I wouldn't have
known A doaholic he's a closetdrinker.

Speaker 4 (01:19:17):
Yeah, whatever.
What now?
My ass is starting to hurtSwitch chairs.
There's a white one over thereor stand for a while.

Speaker 2 (01:19:24):
Yeah, I'm going to stand for a while here?

Speaker 4 (01:19:26):
Well, so in Canada they don't have the protections
that we do, as Americans, rightFreedom of speech and freedom of
the press and all thesedifferent things.
In practice they do, but it'snot enshrined in the
Constitution, Right?
So it's no different than ourSecond Amendment.
When it comes to weapons, Now,I agree everybody shouldn't own

(01:19:48):
a tank and everybody shouldn'town a missile launcher and
everybody shouldn't own a50-caliber machine gun, but you
can't own a cannon.

Speaker 5 (01:19:56):
Unbeknownst to what Biden said, that you can't own a
cannon, but yeah, you can, youcan't own a cannon.
So when I was delivering, I washauling a lot of limestone out
of Canada.
Delivering what Limestone?
Oh, okay, there was a lot of.
He's a mule, I guarantee it.
So I was going over there twotrips a week-ish easily, and the

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guys.

Speaker 4 (01:20:24):
Truck driving.

Speaker 5 (01:20:25):
Yeah, hauling big slabs of limestone, patio blocks
, stuff.
You know they were using themfor landscaping materials and
stuff like that.
But the guys in the quarry itwas one of the guys you know,
I'd shoot shit with them whilethey were loading the truck.
And one of the guys he's like Isaid so do you guys hunt?
I said there's lots of deer,you know deer and elk and stuff
around here.
Do you guys hunt?

(01:20:51):
It's like oh yeah, but it'sreally really difficult.
I was like why they don't letyou hunt very often or what he
goes.
Now, it's it's really hard toget a permit.
And you know, once you get apermit and then you got to get a
permit for the gun and then youcan only have so many this and
so many that and oh it's, youcan't.
He says, nah, it's not like youguys in america where you can
just walk into the gas station,buy a damn rifle and bullets and

(01:21:12):
go shoot something, right?
I said, well, we don't haveguns in the gas station.

Speaker 4 (01:21:19):
But I don't know, have you ever been up north?

Speaker 5 (01:21:22):
The grocery stores.
Yeah, I mean, yeah, some ofthem, right, exactly.
But uh, so the one, the onefella, was gonna.
He was gonna ride back with meand and hang out, but I couldn't
get it scheduled that I wasgonna go be going back the next
week, right.
So he was gonna come back andwe were just gonna go shoot and,
you know, hang out, and he'slike, yeah, you guys got it made

(01:21:44):
.
He says it's we, we, we justdon't have that what you're
saying.
You know they don't have thegun rights that we have.
You can just go buy a gun andhave it.

Speaker 2 (01:21:56):
And they're taxed out the ass Like.
My brother lives in Fargo,north Dakota, and he was telling
me stories about how he'll goto Walmart.
He'll go to Target, he'll gowherever He'll see a truck with
canadian license plate on it,with a huge ass trailer and it's

(01:22:17):
full of brand new shit.
He's like I've.
He's like I've seen people withbrand new refrigerators.
I've seen people with all kindsof stuff and he's like they'll
come here, they will load up atrailer, they will pay our sales
tax and then to cross theborder for custom canadian
customs, they have to payanother tax.
But he's like both of thosetaxes together don't equate to

(01:22:39):
the tax that they pay.
If they bought all that shit upthere.
Wow, he's like.
So they'll come down here.
That's how they get around alltheir taxes.
And he's like whatever you know.

Speaker 5 (01:22:50):
So well 50 yard attempt?

Speaker 4 (01:22:54):
I don't know it was great when we had Trey's wife
Eva come here and talk abouthealthcare because she's from
Poland, and universal healthcareand what they pay.
You know she's like we don'thave gun crime.
You know, if you go to thedoctor there's no bill.
You know, and I don't know.

(01:23:15):
Once again, though you'retalking, the population of
poland is population 25 million,30 million, 50 million,
whatever it is, but that's likethe size of michigan and we have
385 million right.
So so I mean, it's sodrastically different.
There was actually a guy that Isaw on TikTok.
He goes.
I actually had to defend he'sBritish living here and he goes.

(01:23:41):
I had to defend Americans toBritish people because this girl
was like.
I had a friend that asked meyou know, I live in Gloucester,
oh, is that close to London?
She's like no, it's an hour anda half away.
Well, here in America, right.

Speaker 1 (01:23:54):
An hour and a half is like absolutely nothing.

Speaker 4 (01:23:57):
Well to them it's like a whole other world, you
know what.
I mean, they're not used to.
You know, I drove five hoursyesterday.

Speaker 5 (01:24:07):
They let them have another chance.
That's the third one I've had13, 13, three Vikings going in a
half.

Speaker 4 (01:24:15):
I literally drove five hours yesterday.
Did he try and back for asnowmobile?
A little thing.

Speaker 5 (01:24:22):
Yeah, and didn't even go through a quarter of the
state.

Speaker 4 (01:24:24):
Right, and this guy even said that.
This guy even said in hisTikTok he goes you can be in
Michigan or Texas and drive for13 hours and still be in the
same state.
And sometimes change a timezone In Texas you can yeah,
Texas, not Michigan.
Right In Michigan, you can.

Speaker 5 (01:24:42):
Well, I had to think about it.
You might have to go all theway to Ironwood, or whatever it
is, or Iron River, whatever itis, all the way to the west side
of the UP possibly you can.

Speaker 4 (01:24:50):
Yeah, but he was like , so they don't understand, you
could drive 14 hours and stillbe in the same state.

Speaker 2 (01:24:55):
Well, there's a guy on TikTok, is it Josh from
England by chance.

Speaker 4 (01:25:01):
He's a younger guy, early 30s probably.

Speaker 2 (01:25:11):
Yeah, I think it's the same guy.
It might be, so he did a.
He did a thing where he hadsaid, you know, yeah, when he
came over to visit he couldn'tunderstand how long it took to
do something so yeah, to put itin perspective, our country is
freaking huge.
And I'll give you two examples,because I responded I, I
duetted, quote, unquote, duettedhis tiktok and I responded to
it and I said you duetted.

(01:25:33):
What does that mean?
It's called a duet.

Speaker 4 (01:25:35):
You can repost and you have yourself up the
original video playing.

Speaker 2 (01:25:39):
And add commentary and stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:25:41):
Oh, that's cool.
It's like people comment onthis thing, gotcha.

Speaker 2 (01:25:44):
So he posted a thing about distance and everything.
So what I did is I pulled up aquick little Google map search.
He posted a thing aboutdistance and everything.
So what I did is I pulled up aquick little Google map search,
Went from London all the way upto the top tip of Scotland and
it was only like a 12-hour drive.

Speaker 5 (01:25:59):
Wow, okay, so then From here to Nashville, you went
to Dundee to Ironwood.

Speaker 2 (01:26:05):
Mm-hmm.
Well, what I did is I did NewYork to Miami, or yeah, new York
to Miami drive, and it was 18hours and I said or no, 24 hours
, excuse me.
And I said in the amount oftime.
That's probably I don't know,it's not 24.
In the amount of time, Where'dyou go?

(01:26:25):
From New York to Miami?
Hold on, I'll do it no way thatwas 24 hours, no way.

Speaker 5 (01:26:29):
It's probably 16.

Speaker 2 (01:26:31):
No it's New York to Miami.
I know 24 hours from Michiganto Florida.

Speaker 5 (01:26:36):
so no, it's not.
Yeah, it is no, it is not NewYork, New York.

Speaker 2 (01:26:40):
I've done it.
If you stop for breaks andstuff, it'll take Loading 19
hours, 19 hours 7 minutes.

Speaker 4 (01:26:52):
New York, new York, it's all is close To Miami.

Speaker 2 (01:26:55):
So it was only.

Speaker 4 (01:26:56):
And that's not even the top of America, right, yeah,
so and here we went from.

Speaker 5 (01:27:01):
we went from shit where did we go?
Ocala, we went to Ocala Go gogo Key West Rosewood to Ocala.

Speaker 4 (01:27:07):
Go Key West Rosebud to Ocala in 16 hours and dabbed
diesel, go to Key West, toSeattle, washington.
That's like three fucking daysof driving Seriously.

Speaker 5 (01:27:18):
Well, we did two days from LA to Kansas, back to
Michigan.

Speaker 6 (01:27:23):
I've done from Malpul to Nebraska to Wyoming.

Speaker 4 (01:27:28):
My son-in-law, ben just went from Glenny.
He has a buddy that's in the AirForce.
He had a truck here, a Jeep.
They drove it from and I'm justgoing to use Seattle as an
example, I don't know.
He's in some Air Force base inWashington State.
They loaded that up, they droveit all the way out there.
It took them two days to getout there and two days to get

(01:27:49):
back.
They were picking up stuffalong the way back, but that's.
He took a week of vacation.
Well, just you know.
Take, take his buddy outWashington State is to get the
Sturgis crazy here.

Speaker 5 (01:27:59):
Just a Sturgis which is not even halfway across the
damn United States is like 16hours all right so here we go,
so it it's called the lowestcity is called St Just.

Speaker 4 (01:28:14):
This is in the.

Speaker 2 (01:28:14):
UK Southern most part of the UK, southern, western
most part of the UK, all the wayup to John O'Groats.
United Kingdom, which isScotland, is only 15 hours Jeez.
A day trip, a day trip.

Speaker 5 (01:28:33):
So go from Detroit to let's say what's west.

Speaker 4 (01:28:38):
No, we need to go from the most northern to the
most southern.

Speaker 5 (01:28:41):
I'm just saying Detroit's pretty Okay go to Flat
.
Rock.

Speaker 2 (01:28:46):
How about Coldwater to Iron Mountain?

Speaker 5 (01:28:50):
No, where's Iron Mountain?
Upper Peninsula western.

Speaker 4 (01:28:53):
Dundee.
Dundee is about the mostsouthern city.

Speaker 5 (01:28:55):
No, Flat Rock is farther, oh Flat.

Speaker 4 (01:28:57):
Rock is farther.
Yeah, Flat Rock.

Speaker 5 (01:28:59):
Go Flat Rock, michigan, to.

Speaker 4 (01:29:02):
Whatever the most, what's west Copper Harbor, the
one way up to the tip CopperHarbor.

Speaker 5 (01:29:07):
Go to Flat Rock, to Copper Harbor.

Speaker 4 (01:29:10):
I bet you that's 16 hours all day.

Speaker 5 (01:29:14):
Flat Rock.
Is that Detroit?
You put Detroit.
No, I did Flat.

Speaker 2 (01:29:18):
Rock Flat Rock.
It was only nine and a halfhours.
Oh, Flat Rock.

Speaker 5 (01:29:22):
Yeah, flat Rock's right on the border.
Flat Rock no it's not.
It's not even close Go toToledo, then Toledo's pretty
damn close to the border.

Speaker 2 (01:29:30):
I no, it's not.
It's not even close.
Go to Toledo, then Toledo'spretty damn close to the border.
I'm going to do.

Speaker 5 (01:29:35):
What's over here?
How about Morency?
What's over here?

Speaker 2 (01:29:38):
Morency.

Speaker 5 (01:29:40):
Morency, it's Morrissey isn't it, morrissey, I
don't know what the hell it is,but Toledo's pretty damn close
to the border.
I mean the farthest I can getfrom southern but, that lower
peninsula to top tip, but goover here to the west.
Where's the West Point?

Speaker 2 (01:30:01):
mm-hmm, yeah that's ten hours, is the Morrency to
the closest?
Yeah, so let's do Morrency toIronwood Michigan.

Speaker 5 (01:30:16):
And that might take you through.
Oh no, what do you got no.
Yeah, see that's wanting totake you through.
What do you call it Chicago?

Speaker 2 (01:30:25):
Yeah, yeah, because it's shorter that way.

Speaker 5 (01:30:27):
Yeah, it's shorter to go out of speed.
But we want to show how long itis, so like Go farther east on
your bottom one, farther east onyour bottom one.

Speaker 2 (01:30:46):
Let's see.

Speaker 5 (01:30:50):
What's that right there?
What's that city down a littlebit Right on the bottom of your
screen?

Speaker 2 (01:30:56):
It's in Ohio.

Speaker 5 (01:30:57):
Oh, I can't see where the border is.
So Lambertville, michigan, oh,lambertville, that's where one
of our VFW riders groups are,lambertville.

Speaker 2 (01:31:08):
Lambertville is one of our VFW, there we go.
Okay, yeah, so that was farenough east that it takes us
through the whole state.
So yeah, and that's only nineand a half hours nine and a half
yeah, really yeah, takes where,takes him 75.

Speaker 5 (01:31:22):
Lambertville to.

Speaker 2 (01:31:24):
Lambertville, michigan, way the hell down here
, all the way to Ironwood.
That's when I was singing.
I remember is I was thinkingIron River, it's nine and a half
hours.

Speaker 5 (01:31:31):
Wow, that's only nine and a half.
God, I would have thought itwas longer than that.

Speaker 2 (01:31:34):
No.
But that's nine and a half.

Speaker 4 (01:31:37):
And never leaving the state and never leaving the
state.
Jen says Erie, Michigan is thefarthest.
I don't know it says Erie,Michigan is the farthest.
I have no idea.

Speaker 5 (01:31:49):
Southeast.
If you go southeast, I'll betyou're Erie.
You were eating out of that,yes.

Speaker 4 (01:31:54):
I was Damn.
Well, the dog would like if youspilled a little bit, probably.

Speaker 5 (01:31:59):
But anyway, that's nine and a half hours in never
leaving the state one direction.

Speaker 2 (01:32:09):
So what I did was the .

Speaker 5 (01:32:11):
That's not doing a U.
That's all One Direction.

Speaker 2 (01:32:15):
But anyway to continue on the story.
So the TikTok I did, it waspretty sure it was London to the
top.
So I didn't do the other onethat I just did.
But I was like because I thinkhe's from just outside of London
somewhere.
So I was like London to the topof Scotland, you know as far as
you can go.
And I was like it's not evenhalf the time that it would take

(01:32:39):
.
You know we could drive toMiami and, you know, go to the
top of Scotland back in the sameamount of time.

Speaker 4 (01:32:47):
We go from Mount Pleasant here to our place down
in Hilton Head Island.
It's like 14 and a half hours,right.
We drive that.
We take off at like 3 in themorning, 2 in the morning.
We're in by dinner time inHilton Head Same day, you know,
and it's a long drive.
Kids suffered a little bit whenthey were little little.

(01:33:10):
We would break it up and dozoos or whatever right along the
way and stay the night's places.
But you know it was.

Speaker 2 (01:33:18):
This is Mount Pleasant to Orlando, and it's 18
hours.
So do Mount Pleasant to Naples,naples.

Speaker 4 (01:33:23):
Yep, so my business partner here.
My brother-in-law mom and dadhave a place in Naples.
Partner here.
My brother-in-law mom and dadhave a place in Naples and dad
wanted the truck down there forthe winter.
He got hit by a hurricane andthey're on a canal, so they had
some redo to do.
That's 20, almost 21 hours yeahit took them about 24 to get
there.
They took off on the day,pretty much drove straight.

(01:33:45):
I think they slept a couplehours in a rest stop and then
finished the drive up to get histruck down there.
But yeah, I mean that was along haul.
They flew back and they'll flyback down to get the truck to
bring it back up here.
They only have cars in Florida.

Speaker 5 (01:34:04):
My dad and I went down to Florida.
We went down to Ocala, ended upin Tampa, but he had a fuel
tank.

Speaker 2 (01:34:13):
Oh I got one Sorry.

Speaker 5 (01:34:15):
I haven't had Mountain Dew in a while he had a
fuel tank in the bed of histruck and he just flipped the
switch.
Oh yeah, he could go all theway to Georgia on one tank my
1979.

Speaker 4 (01:34:25):
F-150, I had dual tanks.
No, this was an add-on.
No, but I'm saying I had dualtanks.
I had two 30-gallon tanks inthat fucker Granted it only got
about 7 miles a gallon.

Speaker 5 (01:34:38):
This had like a 30-gallon regular tank and then
I think the extra auxiliary tankwas like a 45.
We could literally go almostall the way to Florida without
stopping.

Speaker 4 (01:34:51):
You have to.
You'd have to get an oil changealong the way, pretty much five
thousand miles on it, for youever had to get fuel yeah, this
one will get everybody, likeeverybody that's not from here,
right, like English people.

Speaker 5 (01:35:06):
Yeah, this will rattle their cage, route 66.
Let's go back to your route,though.
How many countries did you gothrough?
How many From Ireland towherever you were saying it was
just the UK and Scotland.
It was the UK.

Speaker 4 (01:35:21):
It was the top of their country and the bottom,
the longest points in betweenYep, I'm going to take a guess
Route 66.
This is east to west.

Speaker 1 (01:35:29):
I'm going to take a guess Route 66.

Speaker 4 (01:35:30):
This is east to west.
I'm not looking.
I'm looking at you.
1,600 miles.
No, I bet you it's 3,100.

Speaker 2 (01:35:36):
You ready?
2,448.

Speaker 5 (01:35:40):
Yeah we're in between us.

Speaker 2 (01:35:41):
That's crazy, that will blow the minds of most
people.
Oh yeah, that's starting inChicago.

Speaker 5 (01:35:50):
That's not starting in R66.
I want to do that trip.
That's starting in Chicago.
That's not starting in R66.
I don't know where it's.
Well, I don't think.

Speaker 4 (01:35:54):
No, this is Route 66.
I don't think it's R66, becausethat runs north and south.
Route 66 is east and west itstill runs into it, though
here's a fun one.

Speaker 2 (01:36:04):
So um Clear the map.

Speaker 4 (01:36:06):
Well, while you're looking something up, here's the
issue that I've always had,because everybody's like, oh,
mass transit, mass transit, masstransit.
Well, they use it in Japan.
Oh, they use it here.
They use it there, yeah, theyuse it in UK too.
But the problem is mass transit.
You look at America masstransit.
You could do that in Michigan,you could do that in florida.
That's the size of your country, is one of our states, the

(01:36:29):
united states.

Speaker 5 (01:36:30):
That's what that as a whole cannot use mass transit
because if you look at europe,if you look at europe, all these
countries, that's the size ofthe united states.
Yeah, each country is the sizeof our state.
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
Like, like france, for instance, is the size of michigan right,
that's that's.

Speaker 4 (01:36:50):
What always makes me mad is that people say well,
they use it here, they use itthere.
Well.
France has it If you starttaking land mass, just like if
you take population, okay, we'regoing to have free health care,
Cool, that's awesome.
If you have 30, 40 millionpeople, 50 million people, we
have 386 or 89 million people.
You have to take what you spenda year and multiply that by

(01:37:11):
like 500% to get to what itwould cost us.

Speaker 5 (01:37:15):
What is the size of?

Speaker 4 (01:37:16):
France, have you guys ?
Oh yeah, I've seen that before.

Speaker 2 (01:37:19):
Have you seen this before?
Yep.

Speaker 4 (01:37:20):
I've seen it before.

Speaker 2 (01:37:21):
Have you seen this?

Speaker 4 (01:37:23):
For those people watching online.

Speaker 2 (01:37:25):
Sorry for those of you who can't see.
I've got a website up.
It's called thetruesizecom andit's basically a map of the
United States.
You can pull up any country youcan think of and you can drag
it across the map and it willsize it just right.
So I have the UK and the UKover the 48 contiguous United

(01:37:50):
States.

Speaker 5 (01:37:51):
Can you turn your computer?
They probably wouldn't be ableto see it anyway.

Speaker 2 (01:37:54):
I can probably try to zoom in somehow.
No, he's just saying show it tothe camera.

Speaker 5 (01:37:59):
But I'll bet you if you slid that over Michigan.

Speaker 4 (01:38:02):
Put it over Texas.
Put it over Texas and then showthe camera.

Speaker 5 (01:38:06):
It's kind of hard to see with Texas, though.

Speaker 2 (01:38:09):
Michigan's easier to see.

Speaker 5 (01:38:10):
Put it over Michigan, because you can actually see
where Michigan is versus yeah,look at that.

Speaker 4 (01:38:15):
So it stretches a little bit into Canada.

Speaker 5 (01:38:17):
But if you, turn that to fit the UP.
That's both the same size.
It's still bigger than.

Speaker 4 (01:38:23):
Michigan.
Not much though.

Speaker 5 (01:38:24):
Not much.

Speaker 4 (01:38:26):
So it's like Texas is it's way skinnier than Texas.

Speaker 5 (01:38:29):
Texas is wider right and so if we put the bottom, put
it over California, oh yeahbecause, California's longer
skinny like that right, oh,about the same size as
California look at that right.

Speaker 2 (01:38:41):
Yeah, pretty close but, I, bet California landmass
is bigger oh yeah, oh, here's agood one, we'll put it over
Alaska yeah well, alaska is justit's own animal anyways you
could put three of them inAlaska you could put three in.

Speaker 4 (01:38:56):
Alaska you could put two vertical and put one
horizontal, there we go, maybeeven four.

Speaker 5 (01:39:03):
That's like putting a heli over a flight deck on an
aircraft.

Speaker 2 (01:39:07):
Yeah, I know right, but it's insane, just the sheer
size of things, and that'ssomething I come to every once
in a while.

Speaker 5 (01:39:19):
So Michigan, Can you grab Michigan?
Is that what you can do here?
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:39:25):
I can grab Michigan, all of Michigan will can do here
.
I can grab Michigan, all ofMichigan will fit in Texas,
that's not.

Speaker 4 (01:39:31):
Michigan, it is.
It's got the whole shape.

Speaker 5 (01:39:34):
Oh, I got you it's the lakes too.

Speaker 2 (01:39:38):
Oh, that does a weird .
Anyway, something to play with.
Well, that's kind of cool.

Speaker 4 (01:39:43):
All right.
So I want to get back to my.
We were talking earlier Holland.
Oh yeah, talking about going toother posts, yeah, you sure,
before I forget about it.
So I buy a lot of stuff atauction and I use four or five
different websites Amazonreturns, whatever, right.
So I'm moving stuff around thehouse, taking the dining room

(01:40:03):
and switching it with the livingroom and doing some stuff.
So I had to get I have my TVfor the last 15 years has been
mounted on my fireplace.
I wanted to move it for a whileand decided to pull the trigger
.
So I had to get a floor mount.
Wanted to get some new air rugsand whatever else you know.
So I buy stuff for work onthere, whatever.

(01:40:24):
So I grab the old man on friday, we take off head down to
holland that's where thewarehouse is for the auction
place.
It's like a two-hour drive.
So for those of you if you'relistening from the uk, that's
way beyond your, your distanceyou could drive one way, much
less round trip.
That that's one way, by the waytoo.

(01:40:45):
Yeah, anyways.
So we go down there.
We hit Dad Night, take Dad tolunch.
He's retired, all he does issit on the couch right.
So out of the house, we go downthere pick up our stuff.
I hit the Holland VFW post 2144.
Great, I was hoping to hook upwith the Riders Group president
down there, but he was in Iowawith his in-laws, so I told him

(01:41:06):
condolences for having to makethat trip and see the in-laws.
So, anyways, we stopped at thepost.
Going there, you know, we get apitcher of beer.
We're chatting up.
Lady's name's Maria.
She's an auxiliary member, beenthere for 50 years.
Great old lady takes care ofyou.

(01:41:26):
Come in there.
Oh, I haven't seen you foreverbecause I was down there picking
up stuff all the time for acouple months.
So we're talking and Dad'schatting her up, and here in
Michigan we have a game calledPop Cash.
So for those of you that haveKeno in your state or whatever,
you pick a bunch of differentnumbers.
This only has 1 through 15.
Each number that you pick youcan assign a dollar number, like

(01:41:48):
a dollar $2, $5, $10, whatever,right.
So I always play the $2 pernumber.
And then how many games in arow with those numbers do you
want to play?
So I'm like we got a pitcher, abeard, we'll be here for like
an hour and we'll take off.
So I play four games.
They draw every 15 minutes Costme $40, I think Right, so we

(01:42:13):
play man hit that thing for like$50.
Nice, sweet.
So we're up, bought our pitchera beer.
Dad's like well, let's getanother pitcher then.
All right, so we get anotherpitcher a beer.
So I start playing again.
And I always played all of ourbirth months, right?
So Jen's, mine, the kids and myson-in-law, so five numbers.

(01:42:35):
Dad's like well, let's playyour birthday and month and my
birthday and month.
Cool, play two games Cost me$16.
We hit for $40.
Let's do it again.
We do it again $16.
We hit for $50.
I was on a heater, dude aheater, and if anybody out there

(01:42:56):
gambles when you're on a heater, what do you not do?
Leave, leave, leave.
So we stayed there maybe twohours, two hours, 15 minutes,
something like that.
You know, just kept winning andwinning, and winning, and
winning Buying rounds, as youalways do at any VFW you go to,
especially if you're an outsider.

Speaker 5 (01:43:16):
If you win, you buy a round.

Speaker 4 (01:43:18):
You sit at the bar right.
Yep you can't team, you sit,but you sit up at the.
You know you don't sit at atable, sit at the bar and
somebody comes in right, hey,I'll buy Jimmy over there a
drink or whatever.
That's what you do, that'sright and that's what's great
about the VFW is that you go tosomeone else's house A lot of
times.
They'll buy you the beerbecause, hey, thanks for coming

(01:43:38):
in Right.
And it's always great when youget to know people.
Yeah, sure, Obviously we're bothhaving a great time because
we're on a heater.
That's awesome.
We're winning money, winningmoney, winning money.
So I was able to buy everybodydrinks and tip the bartenders,
well, and we left and we had agreat time, you know, but that's
what.
I don't care if it's AmericanLegion or AmVets or VFW.

(01:44:01):
Honest to God, you travel tosomeone else's place.
You appreciate theirhospitality for you coming in.

Speaker 5 (01:44:08):
Yeah, even an Eagles is that way, eagles Lounge is
that way.
Yeah, all those kind of thingsMoose Lodge, eagles Lodge, all
those clubs like that yeah, wehad such a great time.

Speaker 4 (01:44:16):
And then, actually, I went down Bill and I here we
went to, which we talked aboutin previous podcasts.
We went down for the Vietnamwall Traveling wall, traveling
wall.

Speaker 5 (01:44:30):
I was going to say movable wall, but it's traveling
wall.

Speaker 4 (01:44:33):
We went down to the Brighton area, picked it up and
we took it to Hamburg, michigan.
I went down to stay in Detroitat Liz's house one night with
Bill because we were meeting upwith our District 4, which our
District 4 riders are out ofDetroit area that's Lambertville
, that one you just pulled up onthe map.

Speaker 5 (01:44:50):
No, they're not.

Speaker 4 (01:44:50):
That's not Lambertville.

Speaker 5 (01:44:52):
Oh no, that's the other group.

Speaker 4 (01:44:54):
Yeah, these guys are a combination of the Romanowski
Post.
Yeah, that's right, it's adistrict.
Flat Rock it's a district, sothey have members from a bunch
of different posts that alljoined up to make a motorcycle
riders group, but anyway.
So we went down there andstayed the night and we went to
the Bruce Post, which is the StClair Shores Post.

(01:45:16):
Beautiful, beautiful post, goddang beautiful post.
Two-story, it's huge, right onthe water.
I mean, it's a beautiful post,great people in there.
So we went in there for acouple drinks after dinner.
Yeah, and you ended up winningin there too, and I'm playing
Pop Cash, which is just becausewhat I like about the game is I

(01:45:37):
like to gamble, yeah, and I wantto do something when I'm
sitting at the bar, right, likewe have the game on or whatever.
But what I like about it isit's every 15 minute draw, you
play a keynote.
It's like every minute and ahalf or two minutes.
It's like playing, I don't know.
We're not going to talk aboutthat they just scored again 20
to three Vikings.

(01:45:58):
It's not looking good, but whatI like about it is it takes a
long time in between.
That's why I like roulette.
You play blackjack.
It's constant, hands, constant.
You spend a ton of money.
So I can go in there for 20bucks and I can.
It's an hour right, so we'redown there.
We're drinking beers, chattingup.
I don't remember.

Speaker 5 (01:46:16):
You guys know her name the bartender, the old lady
back there, I forget anywaysyou guys, you guys go, yeah,
yeah, really nice gal.
She's been there forever too.

Speaker 4 (01:46:26):
Yeah, a long time.
And we're sitting there and I'mplaying.
I hit that thing for $100 onlike a $20 bet $100.
I was like, oh, my last game.
We hit her, buy everybody around of drinks and out we went.

Speaker 3 (01:46:40):
You know what I mean, but it was just it was a lot of
fun, but it was just a lot offun.
That's what you do.

Speaker 4 (01:46:48):
And that's what's great about being a part of an
organization like the VFW orAmerican Legions or whatever.
When you travel and go tosomeone else's house, you always
want to leave it in bettercondition than you got there.
Are you done with yours?
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:46:57):
mine's done, toss that over there, and honestly,
that's why I'm hoping that wecan save up some money and put
Keno in our post, because Clairedid it.
They swear by it.
I mean, and like you said, it'ssomething to do while you're
sitting there.
I mean, why not entertain yourpeople?

Speaker 4 (01:47:18):
And it's just like It'll also sometimes keep you
there longer, which means ohshit, I got another five draws.
I'll take another beer, or I'llplay another game of pool, or
I'll throw another game of dartsor something.

Speaker 2 (01:47:32):
I think it's totally worth the.
I think it's like $750 up frontoh yeah, because you it's like
the application fee and then thefee for the monitors and
everything else and all that.
So it's like you know, if wecan just get somebody to roger
that up and post, will pay youback a little bit later.

Speaker 5 (01:47:53):
Out of you know, that's the riders group I was
just gonna say hit up thatriders group.
I think they got a little bitof funds uh left in the storage
tank sure they do so be a goodthing for the writers group to
pony up on.

Speaker 2 (01:48:07):
But yeah, post that up there, because you know I
play the Mega Millions and Idon't really play Pop Cash or
anything like that.
Done it twice, lost my ass.

Speaker 4 (01:48:19):
Got to have the feeling when you go in.

Speaker 2 (01:48:21):
Exactly, but it's just like.
Never been my thing, but it'sjust like Never been my thing,
but it's just like you show upand if I am buying my Mega
Millions somewhere, they'regetting commissions out of me,
and it's always the gas stations.
If our post had a freakingmachine, I'd be buying every
single one of my lottery ticketsfrom that machine.

Speaker 5 (01:48:43):
I think those are better than those little pull
tab things they got.

Speaker 2 (01:48:47):
But our returns on the pull tabs are better.
We get a 15% return on those,versus only like 6% with
everything else.

Speaker 4 (01:48:54):
Let's say this I went and bought $100 and something
dollars worth of lotto tickets.
We always put in the kidsstockings.
When I say kids, they're allover 18 at this point, but I've
done it since they were justcould barely grab the quarter
and scratch them off.
So I go in there and I buy $105worth of lotto tickets.
How much do you think I won?
$3.

(01:49:16):
Jen wins like $31, and all theother kids can buy me about $20.
You know, so I mean it'ssomething fun to do.
Everybody looks forward to it.

Speaker 2 (01:49:26):
Yesterday was my stepson Michael.
Yesterday was his birthday.
He turned eight.

Speaker 5 (01:49:32):
Happy birthday.

Speaker 2 (01:49:34):
His papa, Tiffany's dad, is known for sending you
the lottery tickets.
We open it up.
He gets a $10 lottery ticket or$20 lottery ticket.
He scratches it off and wins$100.
Nice.

Speaker 4 (01:49:51):
Yeah, awesome, he was jumping for joy.

Speaker 2 (01:49:53):
Oh yeah, so right off the target we went.
I'll say what video game did hebuy?

Speaker 4 (01:49:59):
No, he's big at Pokemon.

Speaker 5 (01:50:01):
Oh Pokemon cards, huh .

Speaker 2 (01:50:02):
So he bought a whole bunch of Pokemon cards and
everything else and had a hellof a time.
That's cool.
I'm like, damn, this kid's gotbetter luck than I do.
Yep, you know.
But you know I don't really doa whole lot on the draw games or
anything, but usually it's MegaMillions, usually it's, you
know, something like that.

(01:50:22):
And I'm just thinking to myselfthe amount of lottery I buy if
I went to the post and I did allthat.
As you guys know, I don't drink, so my money's not going into
the canteen.
I volunteer my time andeverything, but I don't
volunteer the money.

(01:50:43):
I don't have something.
If we got Keno, if we got theterminal that we can print out
all the draw games andeverything, but I don't
volunteer the money, I don'thave something.
But if we got Keno, if we gotthe terminal that we can print
out all the draw games and stuff, I'd be there.
I'd be there doing it.

Speaker 5 (01:50:53):
So that's what I would say.
I think a lot of people woulddo it.

Speaker 2 (01:50:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:50:57):
But once again, though, you have to dedicate
monitors, and there's all kindsof things that they got, and I
think that's probably somethingthat you have to open up another
bank account.
There's a lot of shit that goesinto it.
I have a lot of friends thatown bars or restaurants who say
the exact same thing that you'resaying.

(01:51:17):
It's well worth to do it.

Speaker 5 (01:51:20):
But you still have to do it.

Speaker 4 (01:51:22):
There's a lot of stuff that goes on to it.
The grand scheme of things.
I think it would be good forour post because it gives
patrons another thing to do oranother thing to stay to do, or
something like that, you know.
Yeah.
So, in the grand scheme ofthings, every dollar counts.
Yep, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:51:42):
So what do you guys think?
Got anything else you want totalk about, or we're coming up
on two hours here.
Yeah, we usually.
We usually hit about three whenwe got other other nimrods here
.

Speaker 4 (01:51:54):
But we haven't, we haven't really made fun of Trey
yet for not being here we hitfour.

Speaker 5 (01:51:58):
Well, yeah, out of sight, not that long ago.
Holy crap, We've had somereally long ones.
We could have went four moreeasily that night that was crazy
.
That was a good podcast.
A lot of things covered.

Speaker 4 (01:52:15):
That was just after the election oh boy, there's a
lot to talk about.
Well, you know, we got theinauguration coming up.
Yep, that's coming up soon.

Speaker 2 (01:52:24):
I'm interested in that.
I'm interested in that.
I'm interested in RFK Jr.

Speaker 4 (01:52:28):
What do you think?
You're the quote-unquote healthmedical guy.
What do you think?
I think he's decent, I think.

Speaker 2 (01:52:38):
can he go a little overboard?
Absolutely, I think everybodycan.
But I do agree that for thebetter good of our country we
should ban red dye number 40.
We should ban some of theseartificial shit.

Speaker 4 (01:52:57):
It's horrible for us.
Your Mountain Dew is going tochange, said on a previous
podcast, the first time you cameback to the States and you had
a United States Mountain Dew,you spit it out and threw it
away.
So would you agree on goingback to the other Mountain Dew?
Yeah, I would go back to theother Mountain Dew, I'm just

(01:53:18):
curious because.

Speaker 2 (01:53:19):
I know this is horrible for me the amount of
sugar and everything but that'shigh fructose corn syrup we're
talking about.

Speaker 5 (01:53:24):
If you go back to the 70s and you look at pictures
and you look at the average sizeof people.
And then you look at now whatchanged.
They took fat out of the dietbecause fat's bad, right,
everything went fat-free.
And then what did they do tochange the flavor to make it

(01:53:47):
taste good?
They crammed it with sugars andartificial sweeteners and all
the seed oils and everythingelse that are horrible for you.
I hear soy is bad for you, soyis very bad for you, and so is
corn.

Speaker 2 (01:54:03):
But here's the thing High fructose corn syrup.
But when we sit here in alcohol, we sit here and we look around
the world.

Speaker 5 (01:54:10):
Italians drink more than we do, but they drink a lot
of wine, though they don'tdrink a lot of carbonated
beverages.

Speaker 2 (01:54:18):
But still nonetheless , they're still healthier
overall, no matter what.
So that's something to thinkabout.

Speaker 4 (01:54:24):
Do you realize, if they alter our beer, tim will
come down and throat punch you.
Yeah, probably he would killyou as long as they made it
better.

Speaker 2 (01:54:35):
I mean, as long as it still In all seriousness,
though, the issue with theMountain Dew.

Speaker 5 (01:54:42):
Our food is horrible.

Speaker 2 (01:54:43):
Artificial anything really should go away.
That's a pro and a con withthat, but the first thing I just
want to touch on is theMountain Dew thing.

Speaker 5 (01:54:51):
The only pro to that is it's cheaper to make and the
food industry makes more money.

Speaker 2 (01:54:55):
But see, that's the thing.
So but click on the MountainDew thing.
The main difference betweenthat is they don't put natural
sugar in it, it's high fructosecorn syrup.
So, and overseas, that's anillegal food additive.

Speaker 5 (01:55:12):
Because it's horrible for you.

Speaker 2 (01:55:13):
Right, but here the equivalent to the Mountain Dew
that I had overseas was likeMountain Dew Throwback yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:55:20):
Which was pure cane sugar, not high fructose corn
syrup, which actually my boyAndy likes that.
It's a lot better.

Speaker 2 (01:55:25):
Still bad for you, but better than the high
fructose corn syrup.
So you know.
There's that Back to what youwere saying pros and cons.
If we kind of go all naturalwith everything, the con is
going to be that food prices aregoing to go up because you're
not going to have a longer shelflife.
Okay, the salt and stuff thatwe put in is natural.

(01:55:50):
Okay, but it's still salt andit's bad for you.
However, we got to think aboutthe pros and cons here, like I
would still take a high saltdiet over all of the artificial
shit.

Speaker 4 (01:56:04):
Right, but if you have heart issues, you're not
going to take the hot salt.

Speaker 2 (01:56:08):
But you can get low-sodium versions For sure, so
there's an option there.
But artificial versusnon-artificial, oh.

Speaker 4 (01:56:15):
Patrick's picked it.
Yes, all the way back.
Oh, he fumbled it.
No way they got it back.
They got it back on like the 25.
Wow.

Speaker 1 (01:56:25):
Oh, that was close Damn, I thought he was going to
run it back.

Speaker 4 (01:56:26):
Guy came from behind him and stripped it.

Speaker 2 (01:56:28):
Yep, but anyway.
So artificial stuff.
I mean we got to get rid of it.
I mean it's not good.

Speaker 5 (01:56:41):
There's literally nothing good for us as consumers
and everything good for themanufacturers, because it's
cheap for them to make you knowtheir their stuff is a longer
shelf life thing too is, if yougo back to the 70s, people had
more time than they have now forwhatever reason I don't know if
I want to get into that wherepeople ate at home more and
cooked more home style mealswith natural ingredients, so I

(01:57:02):
think, cooked it themselvesinstead of everything being
processed.

Speaker 4 (01:57:05):
I think some of the difference is you look at rules
and regulations and I'm going touse the city of Mount Pleasant,
for example.
But if you went back into the40s, late 40s, maybe even early
50s, you had victory gardens.
You couldn't go to the storeand buy anything because it was
all used overseas for the troopsand everything else.
So you had victory gardens.

(01:57:25):
Victory gardens, right.
I bet you, every house in thecity of mount pleasant had a
garden out back when.
That's where they got their,their vegetables from and that's
, and they probably had chickensrunning around in the backyard.
Yep, what do you think wouldhappen right now?
I got a quarter acre just abouthere in mount pleasant if I put
a chicken coop in the back ofmy house.

(01:57:47):
I'd be fined, I'd be ridiculousthere's no way you could do it,
but back then it was acceptablenowadays.
Nowadays- noise complaint.
It's this, it's that.

Speaker 2 (01:58:01):
What's this new thing ?
Look it up real quick.
Michigan just passed a new law.
It's this.
It's that.
What's this new thing?
Look it up real quick.
I can look at this.
Michigan just passed a new lawFirst down, at least, something
about eggs.
Taking effect January 1st, alleggs sold in the state of
Michigan must come fromcage-free chickens.
Okay, free range, andapparently what they're saying

(01:58:26):
is it's going to cause an eggshortage.

Speaker 5 (01:58:30):
Okay, and the price of eggs is going to go up.
And the thing of it is, justbecause it's free range, a lot
of these free range chickensaren't even as good as the caged
chickens, because they don'tget the nutrients, because just
because they're free realmdoesn't mean they're getting.
At least, when they were in acage they had food right there
available.

Speaker 4 (01:58:49):
But free range?
No, but they couldn't even move.
No, they couldn't move at all.
It's horrible, horribleconditions.
They're stacked in those pens.

Speaker 5 (01:58:56):
Right.
But just because they're freerange quote unquote free range
doesn't mean they're good either.

Speaker 4 (01:59:01):
Doesn't mean have to be better for you.

Speaker 5 (01:59:02):
Because they can't get to the food source anyway.

Speaker 2 (01:59:05):
And you know this is going to be, this is going to
get political.
But this is the thing thatannoys me about cities is, you
know, everybody wants the cityto be this wonderful utopia of
Got it there you go Touchdown,touchdown, yes, 10 to 20.

Speaker 4 (01:59:25):
That brought them in half the score.

Speaker 2 (01:59:26):
It'll be 11-20 here in a minute.

Speaker 4 (01:59:28):
No, it's going to be 10, because they're 9 right now.
We've got to get the extrapoint Not unless they do a
two-point, but they'll get theextra point.

Speaker 2 (01:59:34):
That's what I said 10-20.

Speaker 4 (01:59:37):
Yeah, I thought you said 11.
I can't wait for the replaybecause I bet you he said 11.

Speaker 5 (01:59:43):
He did, I heard it.

Speaker 4 (01:59:44):
There you go.
One Navy guy against anotherNavy guy, there we go.
But anyways, no, you're To behonest with you.
Jen will tell you the samething she started eating more
natural foods.
More less processed foods yearsago.

Speaker 2 (02:00:02):
I'm not going to lie.
I got the bad, bad thing going.

Speaker 4 (02:00:05):
I want to get rid of this, she goes.
I would eat more healthy,natural foods if it didn't cost
an arm and a leg.

Speaker 5 (02:00:13):
It's harder, yeah it's a lot harder.
It is way harder.
It takes longer to make.
It's not as readily availablethe cost is astronomical.

Speaker 4 (02:00:21):
It's ridiculous.

Speaker 5 (02:00:23):
So if you look at a hamburger, you Right, but it's
ridiculous.
It was the cost.
So if you look at a hamburger,you look at a piece of candy,
let's say, and then you look ata piece of fruit, the damn fruit
costs more than the piece ofcandy does.
Yeah, that's the problem rightthere Right.
It makes it harder for peopleto make the right choices
because it costs more and itdoesn't taste as good either,

(02:00:46):
right?

Speaker 4 (02:00:46):
so so if I walk into the grocery store this weekend I
have a hundred dollars in mypocket.
Yep, what's the most I can?
We talked about this, I think.
With tvs you're not makingmoney, you're not getting on the
last podcast or two.
If I walk in with a hundreddollars and I gotta buy my
groceries for a week or two,what's my biggest bang for the
buck?
It's going to be all theprocessed garbage food it's on

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sale that I can get for cheapand fill the cabinet.
I think our example back thenwas a TV.
You walk in and there's a65-inch TV.
This one's $8.99, that one's$6.99.
I can't really tell thedifference in the picture.
This one's made in America andthat one's made in Taiwan or
wherever You're going to go overthe cheaper ones Bangladesh.
Right, I'm going to buy the$6.99.

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We're cheap Americans.

Speaker 2 (02:01:32):
Everything's about cheapness.

Speaker 4 (02:01:33):
Yeah, everything's about the price.
So when I walk into the storeand I got the $100, I need to
fill the cabinet.

Speaker 5 (02:01:39):
If you were guaranteed that $8.99 lasted
twice as long as the 699?
It didn't matter, you'd stillprobably buy the 699.
Because we're cheap Americans.

Speaker 4 (02:01:47):
We're all single-minded Now just going to
pause real quick.

Speaker 2 (02:01:49):
We've got seven people watching, so shout out.
Come on Comment.
Let us know who's who.

Speaker 4 (02:01:55):
Continue.
Sorry, but that's what we do,though.
I mean, yeah, I do it.
I mean hell, that's the reasonwhy I'm buying crap at auction.
Could I order it off Amazon orwalk into Meijer or walk into
Home Depot and buy the samething?
For sure.
But I was getting $25 tapemeasures for the guys here at
work for $6.
Yeah, and paying $1.50commission, so I paid $7.50 for

(02:02:18):
a tape measure that would havecost me $25.
If I went to Home Depot andbought it.
I can buy brand new ones at anauction, right.
Have bought it.
I can buy brand new ones at anauction, right?

Speaker 2 (02:02:26):
for less money.
So I just, you know there'sthere's that argument, the
economical argument that needsto be made, and there's going to
be some headaches with that.
You know there's, there's,there are poor people who are
unable to pay, you know, for thechange that will inevitably
come.
So and it's just like you know,I don't know like we should go

(02:02:46):
back to the idea of communitygardens and stuff.

Speaker 4 (02:02:50):
So let's talk about that too, because when it comes.

Speaker 2 (02:02:54):
Apparently, farmers here send most of our shit out.

Speaker 4 (02:02:57):
Yeah, so a lot of our oil that we pump domestically
is too high in sulfur.
We're not allowed to refine ithere.
So a lot of our oil that weactually produce here is sent
overseas to be refined, becauseit is above that sulfur content

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that we can do it here, becauseit's not environmentally
friendly.
It's not that it's not gettingdone, it's getting sent
somewhere else to have thempollute the earth rather than
being done here.

Speaker 2 (02:03:28):
Right, right, which is crazy.
And is there?
Is there a way to do it cleanly?

Speaker 4 (02:03:32):
Not probably to our EPA standards.

Speaker 2 (02:03:36):
What's that?
Remote start, oh so.

Speaker 5 (02:03:41):
You leaving us?
Well, I will here in a littlewhile.
So those are the things thatwe're going a little while.

Speaker 4 (02:03:45):
So those are the things that we're going to the
ghetto tonight yeah, those arethe things that make me mad.

Speaker 2 (02:03:50):
Sound of freedom.
Sound of freedom.

Speaker 4 (02:03:52):
The fact that we can pump it here, ship it overseas
to have it refined to pollutethe earth, because our EPA says,
well, that's too bad, you can'tdo it here.
It's not like it's notpolluting the earth.
You hatched, do it here.

Speaker 5 (02:04:04):
It's not like it's not polluting the earth.
You asked for a showdown.
It went from 7 to 4.

Speaker 2 (02:04:07):
Yeah, that's what happens.

Speaker 4 (02:04:08):
I guess, Everybody disappears.

Speaker 5 (02:04:12):
I'm not telling you who I am.

Speaker 2 (02:04:14):
Yeah, I just, you know, and everybody's like well,
we shouldn't drill more, weshouldn't do this, we shouldn't
do that, and Trump's responsedrill, baby drill.

Speaker 5 (02:04:27):
Quit driving to work then.

Speaker 2 (02:04:29):
Yeah, where's your pedal bike?
It's like we've got to get ourshit together, we've got to get
all of our poop in a group andwe've got to have these real
conversations, because thereality of it is it's still
polluting the earth, no matterwhere on earth you're doing it.
We're just giving ourselves theplausible deniability to say it

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ain't us.

Speaker 5 (02:04:52):
You know, Any energy source creates issues.
Right.
Regardless of what it is,whether it's solar, whether it's
wind, whether it'shydroelectric, the only
exception to that is pumpedhydro.

Speaker 2 (02:05:09):
Have you seen what that is?

Speaker 5 (02:05:10):
No, so basically, they'll go and they'll.
The most efficient fuel sourcethat we have available to us now
in our technologies is nuclear,and we're not even touching it.

Speaker 4 (02:05:24):
It's steam.
That's all you're putting offis steam.
We're not even touching itanymore.
We are Actually Palisades overby.
Muskegon is rebuilding rightnow.

Speaker 2 (02:05:32):
South Haven.

Speaker 5 (02:05:35):
But it's not new, it's a rebuild.

Speaker 4 (02:05:37):
No, they actually decommissioned the plant, took
everything out of it.

Speaker 2 (02:05:40):
Putting it back together, rebuilding a new one,
because it's clean energy now,and so it's like you know.
Trump was asked.
I can't remember what he wasasked or how, but his response
was drill, baby drill right.
Yeah, we should be drilling andwe should be, you know,
loosening up some of theserestrictions so we can refine
things.
Does that mean that I feel likewe should remove some of the

(02:06:03):
safety aspects or some of theother things?
Absolutely not, but we need toloosen up some of the
restrictions nonetheless.
Like you know, in building morenuclear plants, but you want to
talk about.

Speaker 4 (02:06:16):
We were talking about food and the hit on the poor,
right, mm-hmm.
What do high gas prices do?
They hurt the poor, they don'thurt the rich.
No, they hurt the poor, theydon't hurt the rich.

Speaker 2 (02:06:25):
No.

Speaker 4 (02:06:25):
They hurt the poor the gas prices hurt everything.

Speaker 2 (02:06:29):
They hurt the poor because they can't go to work.
They hurt the poor because thecompanies that are trucking, you
know, gas is the backbone ofour economy.
Because, semis get everythingwhere it needs to go.

Speaker 4 (02:06:42):
You just heard the new bill that they passed here
in Michigan over registration onyour vehicles, so I think it
failed.
They wanted to add $100 toevery vehicle registration.
Oh Jesus, I think that failed.
But what did pass was nowyou're going to buy a mandatory,
you register your car, you'regetting a state park pass $14.

Speaker 5 (02:07:03):
Why?
Why are they forcing people todo something that's recreational
?
That's because it doesn'tmatter if your kid has a $500
beater and you go to re-registerit, you're getting a park pass.

Speaker 4 (02:07:14):
So the state needs more money.
It's to tax you to pay for thestate parks.
It was optional before, butit's not going to be optional in
2025.

Speaker 5 (02:07:22):
That's what pisses me off about our government.
They dabble this little crapand then all of a sudden it gets
to a point where they make itmandatory.
Also, they can have a biggerfreaking pension Like Congress.
Wasn't it Congress that justtried?

Speaker 4 (02:07:40):
to increase 40% 70,000 a year they wanted.
And what do they do?
Not a damn thing.
Well, they do, they do, they do.

Speaker 2 (02:07:49):
What I'm saying is like, yeah, they're not punching
the clock or anything like that, but it's like I don't know.

Speaker 1 (02:07:57):
But a 40% increase.

Speaker 2 (02:07:59):
I'm not even talking about the increase.
I'm talking about what they gotnow.

Speaker 5 (02:08:01):
If I walked into my job, are they?

Speaker 2 (02:08:03):
working a $120,000 job.

Speaker 5 (02:08:06):
No.
If I walked into my boss, intohis office right now and says,
oh, by the way, you're paying me40% more, he's going to look at
me and start laughing.
I'd laugh at you, but that'swhat they did I'd laugh at you.
They walked in and told ustheir boss and said you're
paying us 40% more and you don'thave a say in it.

(02:08:27):
That right there is totalbullshit.
Anytime they get an increase insalary, it should go on a
ballot and we should vote onthat.

Speaker 4 (02:08:41):
No matter what, God damn it, they just scored again.

Speaker 5 (02:08:44):
Oh dang it Well, this one's not going to go well for
us.

Speaker 2 (02:08:48):
So what happens now with the Lions the?

Speaker 4 (02:08:50):
Lions have to win.
They have to beat Minnesotanext week.
Well, it all depends.
Minnesota's got to play a gametoo.

Speaker 5 (02:08:58):
yet Well, if Lions lose?

Speaker 4 (02:09:01):
We've got to beat the 49ers tomorrow If Lions lose
tomorrow, it's really in deepshit.
Well.

Speaker 2 (02:09:09):
We've got to beat the 49ers tomorrow.
If Lions lose tomorrow, it'sreally in deep shit.
No, it's going to come down tothe Minnesota game, so okay,
anyways, let's switch tofootball.
Sorry, because.

Speaker 5 (02:09:17):
I'm curious now.
So Lions already have firstseed in the playoff.
They already secured that.
So that's, already been there,not in first seed, they've made
the playoffs.
Who are the.

Speaker 4 (02:09:27):
NFC champions going to come down to, but they're
first chair right now they'renumber one chair.

Speaker 5 (02:09:34):
They are Because they're number one in the
conference.

Speaker 4 (02:09:37):
But they're tied with the Vikings I know, that's the
stats.
Jesus, we can't take heranywhere.
No, remember that train.
No, you've the stats, jesus, wecan't take her anywhere, no,
remember that train?
No, you gotta turn it the otherway, turn it that way, this way
, no other way, other way, keepgoing, keep going.
No, I'll fix it, jesus Christ,don't leave me anywhere even

(02:10:05):
Abby's over here hiding.

Speaker 5 (02:10:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:10:10):
I like it when you slide through behind me.

Speaker 5 (02:10:13):
I bet you do.
Did he get a?

Speaker 2 (02:10:15):
little squeeze on the way by A little bit.

Speaker 4 (02:10:20):
That's too much.
That's perfect.

Speaker 2 (02:10:23):
What do you mean?
It's too much.
I can totally see you easing,yeah, but if I sit down, you
gotta look at this.

Speaker 5 (02:10:29):
This is raked perfectly.
Oh see, now you got it goofy.
There it goes.
That's better.
This is perfect rake.
That's the time to rake it.

Speaker 4 (02:10:36):
I know you should run away oh shit Watch out Abby,
watch out girl.
Now, before we got rudelyinterrupted.

Speaker 2 (02:10:45):
Yeah, man, this is what we get for having a
spectator.

Speaker 5 (02:10:50):
So I don't know how that would play out.
If the Lions lose tomorrowAgainst the 49ers.
That would put them Two games.
Let's see it would be 14-2 To a13-3.
Let's see it'd be 14 and 2 to13 and 3.

(02:11:12):
I don't know what that would dofor the Lions, mm-hmm I don't
either the Vikings winning today, which we were hoping that they
wouldn't, but is what it is.
So now that just makes it evenmore.
And then, I think, the lastgame is the Vikings against the

(02:11:32):
Lions.
So they've already beat themonce, so that's going to be a
revenge game.
That'll be the grunge game.
So they win tonight, lions wintomorrow.
They're still tied.
So they win tonight, lions wintomorrow.
They're still tied, because theLions already beat the Vikings
once.
This next game will be thetiebreaker.

(02:11:54):
It's going to be a grunge game.
Yeah, it's going to be a toughone, and they're both two damn
good teams.
Mm-hmm.

Speaker 4 (02:12:08):
So what do you guys think about Pete Hegseth,
secretary of Defense?
What do you guys know about him?
I don't know anything about him.

Speaker 2 (02:12:12):
I think it's back on the politics real quick, I think
so.

Speaker 4 (02:12:16):
He's a Fox News contributor.
He was on their weekendprograms.
I think he was on during theweek a couple times.
Mm Young guy, probably my age,he's in his 40s and he's a major
With the National Guard.
Served a couple tours in Iraqand maybe even in Afghanistan.

Speaker 5 (02:12:35):
See, that's what's so ironic about Trump's candid
picks.
Most of them are 50 and younger, so he's picking a younger
crowd.

Speaker 2 (02:12:47):
What I like about it is it's not some freaking
old-ass general, it's not some,you know.
The guy that's going to be incharge of the generals now is
going to be a young major yeah,new up and coming, you know and
they're not going to respect him.
I don't think they will.

Speaker 4 (02:13:02):
They'll have to.
They don't have a choice.

Speaker 5 (02:13:03):
They don't have a choice, they have a choice of
retiring or go with the programright?
Yeah, they don't have.
That's one thing I wouldn'tworry about.
They're going to do what hesays, or else?

Speaker 2 (02:13:14):
And Trump will see them out the door.
Yes, he will.
I'll take that commission.

Speaker 4 (02:13:18):
As combat vets sitting here at the table,
regardless of what you did orwhere you've been.
I see it at the VFW a lot and Isee it at the American Legion a
lot.
The two affiliations that Ihave is it's tough to get
younger people involved inthings.
Mm-hmm.
Okay, Because one theytypically don't have the time

(02:13:40):
because they have young familiesor they have careers or stuff
that they've got going on.
Right, yeah, they're livinglife, but it's nice to have a
different idea.
The same concept right, we'restill going to go kick doors
down, we're still going to dothings, but there's a different
way of doing things.
This isn't the 1950s when youserved, or?
the 1970s when you served, I wasserving in the 2000s or I was

(02:14:05):
serving in the 90s or whatever,right.
So it's nice to have fresherideas rather than career
politicians all the time,especially when you get up that
upper echelon level of generalsand shit like that.
Nothing wrong with it, right,you did your time, you served
your purpose.
But we have just a differentway of doing things nowadays.
And if you want the vfwamerican leaders, do you want

(02:14:28):
younger members?
It's hard to get people in ifeverybody they look at is 80
years old yeah, and you know Imean why do you?

Speaker 5 (02:14:37):
why do you?

Speaker 1 (02:14:37):
yeah why do you want?

Speaker 4 (02:14:38):
to?
Why would you want to join orwhy do you want to follow when
the guy's still talking aboutjeeps?
We don't use jeeps.
They haven't used jeeps inforever you know jeeps are cool
though?
No, they are.
But what I'm saying is you know, we we riding around in
amtrak's or humvees, you knowwhat I mean, like they probably
never sat in a humvee, ever.

Speaker 5 (02:14:59):
Humvees are starting, or being phased out.

Speaker 4 (02:15:02):
I like the idea.
I like the idea.
He's trying to bring in new,fresh ideas to get things
consolidated, to get things moreon par with the way somebody
that was in the field looked atit, rather than somebody that's
been sitting in office for thelast 25 years.

Speaker 2 (02:15:17):
Yeah, military, political in general Detached.
Yeah, you're detached, you'reold, you're not up there.
Did you hear about that Texaslawmaker, the Texas
representative, that hadn'tregistered a vote since I think
it was June or July and nobodyhad seen her?

Speaker 4 (02:15:38):
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, she was in an old folks' home.

Speaker 2 (02:15:41):
Yeah, they found her in a memory care old folks' home
.
Yeah, for a couple months, Forlike six months, six for a
couple months For like sixmonths, Six or eight months.

Speaker 4 (02:15:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:15:48):
And nobody said nothing.
Yeah, like, okay, you know, Iwould like to know when she got
into that home.
Yeah, and she's still on thepayroll.
Yeah, because she's still onthe payroll and she got in.
Not only that, she's still onthe payroll, good point, but not
only that.
I want to know when she wasadmitted, because, and how the

(02:16:09):
hell?

Speaker 5 (02:16:09):
does nobody even know , that's the point.
Her staff.

Speaker 4 (02:16:12):
Her staff totally knew yeah yeah.
But I bet you it's the I know,but don't know.
Just don't tell me all thedetails so I can say I don't
know, but who's boss?

Speaker 5 (02:16:22):
I mean her boss has to know.

Speaker 2 (02:16:24):
Well, what I'm saying is her votes, so I want to know
when she was admitted because Iwant to make sure that she was
voting and did she vote?
And did she vote or didsomebody vote?

Speaker 4 (02:16:34):
for her and I don't know if they can vote by proxy.

Speaker 2 (02:16:38):
I don't think they can.
I don't think so.
That was.
The whole big thing about COVIDis they didn't want you to vote
by proxy, but at the end of theday it was COVID and they had
to do something.
So, but anyway, back to PeteHegseth.
So yeah, I want a younger crowdbecause, you know,

(02:16:59):
administratively meaning theexecutive branch and all of that
and politically, thelegislative branch I want young
people.
I'm sick and tired of these80-year-old assholes.
Pelosi, you know.

Speaker 5 (02:17:15):
Chuck Schumer, Mitch McConnell, yeah.

Speaker 4 (02:17:20):
Mr Freeze, I call him .
He's got to go too.
You ever see that guy.

Speaker 2 (02:17:24):
I like how he's so old he's just like I'm out, no.

Speaker 4 (02:17:27):
but did you ever see him stand at the podium and just
freeze?
For like two minutes.

Speaker 5 (02:17:33):
Thank you for your service.
You were an exceptional.

Speaker 2 (02:17:37):
Goodbye, but it's time to go, when I feel whatever
the legal threshold is for youto be allowed to collect
retirement from Social Security,which right now is what?
62 and a half.

Speaker 4 (02:17:49):
Something like that.
It depends on what you want todo.

Speaker 2 (02:17:53):
I don't think you should be allowed to serve
politically.

Speaker 5 (02:17:56):
I have a hard time with just saying a dead stop,
and I have a hard time withsometimes term limits too.

Speaker 2 (02:18:02):
But there's got to be some limits.
There has to be term limits,there has to be, but there's got
to be some limits.
There has to be term limits,there has to be, but you've got
to look at so many.

Speaker 4 (02:18:06):
There's term limits in everything.

Speaker 5 (02:18:07):
Like even Joe Biden, I mean, from the time he was
what?
26?
Mm-hmm Until just like maybeyesterday when he finally passed
away.
I don't know.
Is he still alive?
Still alive?
Yeah, probably Well mentally,Weekend at Bernie's is going on
up there, yeah, weekend atBernie's they're propping him up
by the, by the speaker, I think.

Speaker 2 (02:18:33):
He pardoned His son Because his son was giving him
some speed so he could.

Speaker 5 (02:18:39):
That's probably where that cocaine come from.
Putting that in his this isyour powdered sugar for your
coffee honey.

Speaker 4 (02:18:47):
He's going to pardon them all.

Speaker 5 (02:18:48):
They were putting that in, as this is your
powdered sugar for your coffeehoney, mm-hmm.

Speaker 2 (02:18:52):
Yep, he's going to pardon them all, for at least,
Well he pardoned like 50freaking serial killers or some
shit too, wasn't it?
I mean, they were all on thefederal death row.

Speaker 4 (02:18:58):
Federal death row, not a state, so don't quote me
on it.
There was like 60 of them onfederal death row.
You did all but four, all butthree, I heard I think it was
four.
There was a couple churchbombings that were racist Church
bombings and then the Tanaroffguy that was the youngest, one

(02:19:20):
of the Boston Marathon bombing.

Speaker 5 (02:19:23):
But he commuted their stay.
Isn't that what it's called?
Commuted their stay?

Speaker 4 (02:19:27):
Yeah, so their life in prison.
It's not that they're gettingout.
They'll die there, they justwon't be put to death.
And there was four, I believe.

Speaker 2 (02:19:35):
Which, argumentatively, is worse?
I don't know, Mentally it'sworse.
Not for our pocketbooks?

Speaker 5 (02:19:42):
it's not.

Speaker 4 (02:19:45):
Put them down and be done with them.
I, to be honest with you, Idon't believe in the death
penalty.
I don't either.
I know what I do.

Speaker 2 (02:19:52):
I know, I think there's.
Don't get me wrong.
My initial emotional reactionis yeah, cap the son of a bitch.
So but I mean, but I thinkthere's too much innocence going
on.
Thank you, I think I mean.
It's one thing to have videoand DNA evidence.
If I've got a freaking videoevidence of you capping a dude

(02:20:13):
and I can see your face andeverything, yeah for sure.
I guess, morally speaking, I'msupposed to say no.

Speaker 5 (02:20:20):
Well, if you go to death row and you ask 25 inmates
, 24 and a half of them aregoing to say they're innocent
For sure.
But, what I will say ishonestly, but the chances of
them getting through the wholesystem with the appeals and all
the other shit that they have.

Speaker 4 (02:20:41):
There is a huge chance that they're innocent.

Speaker 2 (02:20:44):
Look at the dude that was just executed, like four
months ago.

Speaker 5 (02:20:49):
Our laws are so lax when it comes to that?
They're not.

Speaker 4 (02:20:52):
They're not.
They're not.

Speaker 5 (02:20:54):
We have a legal scholar right here.
Maybe she could weigh in.

Speaker 4 (02:20:58):
No, what I will tell you is Jen will probably agree
with me on this.
She worked for the prosecutor'soffice will probably agree with
me on she worked for theprosecutor's office it's
possible.
A judge at any one point cansay, yes, you can bring that
evidence, or no, you can't, Okay.
So even if you have somethingthat could be on your side as a

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defendant, a judge can excludethat.
Yeah, see, and I think that'swrong as well, but it's the same
thing.

Speaker 5 (02:21:24):
All evidence should be admissible, and I think
that's wrong as well, but it'sthe same thing.
All evidence should beadmissible.

Speaker 4 (02:21:27):
And I'm going to say it wrong.
I'm going to say exploratory,escalplatory evidence.
So, for instance, you're thepolice, I'm being charged with a
crime.
What do you turn over to thedefense?

Speaker 2 (02:21:40):
Holy shit, three hours ago Jimmy Carter died.
Really Yep three hours ago.

Speaker 5 (02:21:45):
Oh, he just passed, jimmy Carter passed.
Wow, that's sad.

Speaker 2 (02:21:50):
What I'm going to say is Sorry, I was Googling what
we were talking about and it wasup there.

Speaker 4 (02:21:54):
So if I say, hey, I'm out with Jimmy and I was out
with Jimmy two weeks ago, right,they go talk to Jimmy and
Jimmy's like, yeah, he was outwith me.
You talk to Jimmy, Jimmy's like, yeah, he was out with me.
You don't turn that over, Right, and that gets excluded from my
trial.
Now I have a witness sayingthat I was with him at wherever
and I wasn't the guy that brokeinto this house and killed

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somebody.
You don't turn that over to say, hey, yeah, we proved that he
was with Jimmy that nightbecause there was a receipt or
this.
They do that shit all the timebecause they get.
They get no seriously and thepolice can lie to you.
They can walk into theinterrogation room even though
they say, well, you're justthere for an interview, Right,

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but it's not really an interviewbecause I can't leave.
I'm out of here.
No, hold on a minute.
The door's locked and you're oncamera.
That's an interrogation.
It's not an interview.
They'll say it's an interview.
That's their tactic.

Speaker 5 (02:22:48):
Yeah, of course, right, oh yeah, you're
definitely guilty until youprove yourself innocent.

Speaker 4 (02:22:53):
That's for sure.
But they can say, hey, we gotyour DNA evidence at the crime
scene.
You're like what the fuck?
They can lie to you Now if yousay, for instance, well, I was
at the 7-Eleven and they go okay, now we're going to charge you
with lying to the police.
You lied to us during aninterview, right Interrogation

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or whatever else.
Now you could be charged withanother crime.
They can lie to you and saythey have your DNA evidence when
they don't.
Right.
No big deal.
You lied to them one time fuckit's the end of the world.
It's definitely fucking bad,Trust me dude, I am the guy that
you're guilty.
Hang by the noose, I have noproblem with that.

(02:23:34):
I do touch my daughter.
I'm going to shoot themotherfucker in the face, not
have a problem with it.
I'm that guy.
But to the same extent, I thinkthere's a lot of motherfuckers
that once they pick you as theguy no matter what they're going
to keep going after you.
They don't care about whateverelse they find.
Well, yeah, it could have beenthe robbery across the street,

(02:23:55):
you know but, it's got to be thehusband, scott Peterson's like.
I just watched the documentarywith Jen the other night and I'm
the guy that will 90% of thetime, go against what the police
.
There was literally a break-inacross the street the day of
Lacey Peterson being killed, butthey had Scott picked right out
the gate.
It's got to be the husband.

(02:24:15):
They totally ignored everythingelse.
They went after him.
I'm not saying he's innocent,I'm not saying anything else.
Right, but there's so much shit, you start looking at.
It's always got to be thehusband.
It's always got to be this.

Speaker 2 (02:24:33):
Let me read the one that I hate to chug Marcellus
Williams.
She's right.
Marcellus Williams, whosemurder conviction was questioned
by the prosecutor, died bylethal injection Tuesday evening
in Missouri.
This was back in September.
He was put to death around 6 pmat the state prison.
His attorneys filed a flurry ofappeal efforts to the Supreme

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Court and even the victim'sfamily had asked that the inmate
be spared death at that moment.
His attorneys filed the appealefforts based on new evidence,
including alleged bias in thejury selection and contamination
of the murder weapon prior totrial.

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Yeah, of course.
Um, so here's my thing If thefamily says hold up for a minute
, if the prosecutor says hold upfor a minute, yeah, that's
wrong.
What the fuck?
Like you know, at that point.

Speaker 5 (02:25:30):
If anyone, Then it becomes an ego of the judge.
Yes At any point.

Speaker 2 (02:25:36):
If somebody alleges something like that, alleges new
evidence, it shouldautomatically give you a stay
until they can figure that shitout.

Speaker 4 (02:25:45):
I 100% agree with what you say.
You walk into jail, prison.
99% of them are not guilty.
They'll always tell you that.
I don't believe that either.
What I will say is the one timeyou get it wrong.
So, for instance, at work youdo 100 projects, 99 of them.

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Your boss made money Like handover fist the one time he lost
money, which one do you thinkyou're going to hear about?
It ain't the 99, he made a shitton of money on.
You were walking with diamondson your shoes.
The one he lost money on.
You're a fucking asshole.
You lost me money.

Speaker 5 (02:26:23):
I got you.
I did.

Speaker 4 (02:26:24):
Here's the deal.

Speaker 5 (02:26:26):
We're talking about killing people, but I don't
think there's as many innocentpeople in prison than what
people think.

Speaker 2 (02:26:35):
In prison.

Speaker 4 (02:26:36):
Yes, Let me ask you a question Is it wrong that one
innocent person's in prison Sure?

Speaker 5 (02:26:43):
That should be enough , but we have a system that's
set up to try and limit that asmuch as possible.
Now, the fact that our system.

Speaker 2 (02:26:52):
I would love to call Jen right now and ask her if the
system is set up that way.

Speaker 5 (02:26:56):
But the fact that our system is being it is set up
that way, it's being runimproperly and the people who
are running it are the ones thatare the biased ones, who are
doing this, and that's what I'msaying.

Speaker 4 (02:27:09):
Look at that.
New York detective.

Speaker 2 (02:27:10):
That.
New York detective who wasfound I think he's dead now but,
like through the 70s and 80speople in New York prisons and I
think one was even in New Yorkdeath row was this detective was
planting evidence andfabricating evidence,
implicating these people, and itwas finally found out that he
was doing this and one dude gotout of prison because of it

(02:27:32):
because they were able to proveit, thank God, and so now that
detective's entire case file.

Speaker 5 (02:27:39):
They all should be thrown out.

Speaker 2 (02:27:40):
Exactly Every one of them should be thrown out.
So it's like at what?

Speaker 4 (02:27:44):
point.
Do we Google cash for kiddos?
So this was a program, it was aprivate prison for youths that
got in trouble.
Okay, it all went in front ofthis Cash for kiddos, cash for
kids or cash.

Speaker 2 (02:27:58):
Is it a charity scandal?

Speaker 4 (02:28:00):
No, it was a private prison or kids group prison,
jail detention center, somethingwhere a judge was getting paid
by the owners of this jail.

Speaker 2 (02:28:15):
Yeah, yeah, here it is the Kids for Cash scandal
centered on judicial kickbacksto two judges at the Luzerne
County Court of Common Pleas inWilkes-Barre, pennsylvania, in
2008,.
Judges were convicted ofaccepting money in return for
imposing harsh adjudications onjuveniles to increase occupancy

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at private prisons operated byPennsylvania.

Speaker 5 (02:28:38):
Child Care and when that shit finds out and that
shit happens every damn judgeeverywhere should start shaking
their shoes, because that shouldtrigger a complete rehab of
everything.

Speaker 2 (02:28:53):
We're talking about FBI and everything else we
should have a nationwideinternal affairs.

Speaker 5 (02:28:59):
This is judges yeah, that's what I'm saying Every
judge should be shaking theirshoes, because they should be
looked at, every one of them, no.

Speaker 4 (02:29:07):
Oh yeah, no, there's no discrepancy.
But every police officer, everydetective, everything should
always be looked at, becausethese guys were judges, were
going.
You're going to go to thisdetention camp for nine months.
Who's making the money?

Speaker 5 (02:29:22):
Him because he's getting a kickback by the
detention center for puttingkids there, and he should go to
jail for that.

Speaker 4 (02:29:29):
They did.
But this is one instance.
You know how many of these arearound the country?
Oh, I'm sure and this is twojudges out of you could probably
Google there's 30,000 judges or60,000 judges.
You think it's just two?
No, okay.
So you talk about bad cops, forinstance and Jen hates this
because she was on theprosecutor's side I'm leery.
You get the knock on the door.

(02:29:50):
I train the kids Knock on thedoor.
Cops standing there, show methe warrant.
Shut the fucking door.
Don't fucking say a word.
Shut the fucking door.
You never walk outside the door, Right?
Hey, teacher asked you did youget your flu shot?
That's a HIPAA violation.
Like you don't answer thefucking question, that's because
you have to do that to protectyourself, because they can lie

(02:30:11):
to you all day long and it'sit's a technique right they get
qualified immunity, and I hatethat shit.

Speaker 2 (02:30:18):
That's the thing that's fucking wrong, because if
what's the Miranda warning?
Anything that you say can andwill be used against you, okay,
but anything that you lie to meabout I should be able to use
against you Exactly.

Speaker 5 (02:30:34):
Like what the fuck but.

Speaker 4 (02:30:35):
I can lie to you all day long, and I'm good that is
the biggest double fuckingstandard.

Speaker 5 (02:30:41):
And that's where our system is fucking in my life.

Speaker 2 (02:30:43):
And qualified immunity, I feel like does have
a little bit of a place at thefundamental level, because a
police officer should have acertain level of immunity,
because they're doing some crazyshit out there.

Speaker 4 (02:30:59):
No, they shouldn't.
They should be held to thehighest standard.
The reason why I'm going to saythis is because if you're
ignorant of the law as acivilian okay, I didn't know
that was against the law, well,you should have known.
They'll always tell you Yep,okay, you shouldn't be out
fishing.

Speaker 2 (02:31:13):
Ignorance is no exception.

Speaker 4 (02:31:14):
You shouldn't be out hunting if you didn't know what
the laws or the rules are.
Oh, I see what you're going now.
No, I get pulled over for ataillight, mm-hmm.
Okay, michigan law says I onlyneed one, I don't need both,
right, Okay.
Oh, I pulled you over for yourlicense plate bulb is out.
I couldn't see your licenseplate.

(02:31:35):
Sure you could.
You pulled up behind me.
You've already run themotherfucker.
You know who I am.
You could see it clear as dayday.
It's not shielded, it's notcovered up with snow or mud or
whatever else.
Right, you could totally see it.
Yeah, okay, but because thelight bulb is on, now you want
to pull me over.
Or it's out now you want topull me over?
Okay, it doesn't say that Ihave to have it on, but that's

(02:31:57):
what you're pulling me over for.
So they can be ignorant of thelaw, because I could stand out
in front of and they, they'vedone audits here in Isabella
County.
Right, where they walk aroundwith the cameras in all the
public places and film, right,people are well, you can't film
here, it's against the law.
You can't put me on camerabecause I don't want to be, but
you're standing on the sidewalk,all these things.

(02:32:17):
They can be ignorant of the lawand it's okay.

Speaker 2 (02:32:21):
But if you're ignorant of the law, if you're
ignorant of the law, if you'reignorant of the law.

Speaker 4 (02:32:24):
They're going to say, well, here's your ticket.
You can't be ignorant of thelaw, but you can write me a
ticket or do something to mewhen you're ignorant of the law
and you have qualified immunitybecause you have a badge that's
fucked up.
They should know the law betterthan the average civilian.
If they're there to enforce thelaw, if they're there to

(02:32:44):
enforce the law law enforcementofficer, you should know the
fucking laws.
You shouldn't stop me if youdon't know it.
You shouldn't stop me andquestion me or do anything else
if you don't know what the lawis.
And that's why cities, counties,states get sued all the time?
Because the law enforcementofficers that are doing

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something don't know the law.

Speaker 2 (02:33:08):
They're ignorant of it.
Steve Klein, old man, saidBiden pardoned the judge.

Speaker 4 (02:33:17):
There you go.
He watches Fox News like 24-7.

Speaker 2 (02:33:21):
Thanks, steve, for letting us know about that,
which judge Probably the cashfor kiddos.

Speaker 4 (02:33:25):
I that because I didn't know that which judge
Probably the cash for kiddos.

Speaker 2 (02:33:29):
Yeah, I literally just exited out of it Like what
the hell man?

Speaker 5 (02:33:33):
We've got to hit the road.
We've got a couple-hour driveyet.

Speaker 2 (02:33:36):
Okay, it's these double standards, it's this bias
.

Speaker 1 (02:33:40):
It's a multifaceted issue.

Speaker 2 (02:33:41):
You start, I'll start .

Speaker 5 (02:33:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:33:45):
It's a multi-faceted issue, but just with anything
else.
But it's just like at whatpoint do you call bullshit?
And you know we have the FBIand they serve a purpose, the
FBI is a joke, but the FBI is ajoke and the argument that I'm

(02:34:05):
thinking is we should have somesort of national internal
affairs, not a secret police,because that's fucking
tyrannical.

Speaker 5 (02:34:11):
Well, our CIA is supposed to be something similar
to that, aren't they?

Speaker 2 (02:34:15):
No, no, cia is not authorized to operate
domestically, right.

Speaker 5 (02:34:21):
Doesn't mean they don't, but so it'd be the FBI
then technically.

Speaker 2 (02:34:24):
Technically speaking, but it's just like yeah,
everybody's biased, so it's justlike there needs to be somebody
completely disconnected, Likeyou know.
There should be some sort oflike, maybe a citizen movement,
but you can't because you lookat the way the Justice
Department the FBI andeverything else was weaponized

(02:34:46):
against Trump.

Speaker 4 (02:34:47):
They're all back channel.
They're all a favor of a favor.
They're all something right.

Speaker 2 (02:34:53):
That's what they were talking about the deep state.

Speaker 4 (02:34:55):
So, when you start talking about things being
weaponized against Americancitizens, it's never going to
change, Right?
For instance, there's guys thatcan hack so well they could put
kiddie porn on that fuckingcomputer.
And then the cops walk in rightnow and be like let me see your
computer.
Yeah, here you go and it's abunch of shit that can never be
traced, can never be found.

(02:35:16):
But you connected the internetat some point and now here's all
this shit that you have no idea, but the evidence is there
because it's on your computer.
You know what I mean.
So if have no idea, but theevidence is there because it's
on your computer, If they wantto get you, they will always be
able to get you.
There is no way around it.

Speaker 2 (02:35:29):
That's a perfect example.
So you're never going to havean independent agency.

Speaker 4 (02:35:34):
It's never going to happen.
That's a pretty scary fuckingexample.

Speaker 2 (02:35:39):
But let's use it as an example.
That is the reason why warrantsexist.
Cop walks in here and says giveme your computer.
I'll lock this motherfuckerdown right now and say show me
the warrant.

Speaker 5 (02:35:50):
And he'll have one in about 20 seconds, which is fine
.

Speaker 4 (02:35:52):
Which is fine, but you're still not going to get my
password.

Speaker 5 (02:35:55):
Right, yeah, they could be in that thing in no
time.
Good luck.

Speaker 2 (02:35:59):
Okay, you know, lock it out, go for it, I don't care.

Speaker 5 (02:36:08):
But the point I'm trying to make is the point I'm
trying to make is Just usebleach pit, like Hillary Clinton
did Unreasonable searches andseizures, right.

Speaker 2 (02:36:13):
That warrant process is supposed to be there to give
you due process, right.
And if they go and get a20-second warrant, fine, how?
Because any attorney will beable to say, okay, so what was
your justification?
Tell me, yeah, what did youknow about this guy before you
walked up there?

Speaker 4 (02:36:32):
without a warrant.
It was an anonymous phone call,but look at the Pfizer one
still Look at how those held up.

Speaker 2 (02:36:39):
Right.
So it's just like you know it's.
I don't know, it's just one ofthose things that we wish 17.

Speaker 5 (02:36:48):
They're only down by 10 now.

Speaker 4 (02:36:50):
No but yes.
So we watch.
Jen and I watch a show.
It's on Friday, saturday nights.
They need another one If I goover to her house or she's at my
house, or whatever.

Speaker 2 (02:37:02):
It's called On Patrol Live.
It would be awesome if theypulled us out of their ass.

Speaker 4 (02:37:04):
It'd be awesome if they pulledthis out of their ass.
It's on from 9 to midnight.
It's like Cops.
Remember the TV show Cops, butit's live.
They took it down for a while,didn't they?
Well, it was on a differentnetwork and it moved over to
Reels now, or whatever.
These guys are all drivingaround and the first thing this

(02:37:28):
one cop.
His name is Danny Brown.
Great guy, he's a lieutenantcaptain, whatever the fuck, he
is now.
Walks up to a car I smellmarijuana.
They got it.
Yes, two points All right.
18-27.
Holy shit Vikings still leadfourth quarter.
Five minutes to go, but anywayshe walks up.

Speaker 2 (02:37:40):
So what do they need?
I smell marijuana.
They need a touchdown andanother two-point conversion.
What do you think?

Speaker 5 (02:37:45):
Let's strategize this real quick.
Sorry, I think they're down bynine, though, isn't there a?

Speaker 2 (02:37:50):
three-point conversion.

Speaker 5 (02:37:52):
No, yeah, it's called a field goal.
I don't know.
Yeah, I really don't.
Hey did you see that game.
Earlier today they got a safetyAgainst oh, what's his name?
Used to be their quarterback.
What was his name?
Aaron?
Rodgers.
Aaron Rodgers got a safetytoday.

Speaker 2 (02:38:10):
I don't know what that means.

Speaker 5 (02:38:11):
They sacked him in his own end zone and got two
points out of it.
Ouch, so when you're pushedback into your own end zone and
then they sack you in your ownend zone, then you gain two
points for that.
The other team gets two points.
And you have to kick off tothem.
That's the only way, well, otherthan a pick six, that's the

(02:38:31):
only way a defense can score.
That's actually literally theonly way a defense can score.
Well block field goal still alive ball.
Block field goal and then youpick it up and run it into the
end zone, but now you become theoffense goal and then you pick
it up and run it into the endzone.
But now you become the offense.
Well, it's still your defenseTo actually score on a defense.

Speaker 2 (02:38:51):
So, strategy for them to win this game, they would
need what A touchdown, which issix.

Speaker 5 (02:38:57):
No, all they need is a touchdown now, because they're
down by nine.
So they would need a touchdownand then a field goal To win by
one.
Then they'd win by one.

Speaker 2 (02:39:11):
A touchdown and a field goal Right.

Speaker 5 (02:39:14):
And they've got time Six or five, six-twelve.

Speaker 4 (02:39:20):
They're going to.
Well, they're not onsidekicking.
That's surprising.

Speaker 5 (02:39:22):
Yeah, don't do that.

Speaker 4 (02:39:23):
Detroit did that, yeah, but they got five minutes
to go, not doing it with 12.

Speaker 2 (02:39:27):
We'll take them right there.

Speaker 4 (02:39:31):
There you go.
Anyway, what I was trying toget at is with this TV show, oh,
I'm not on the camera, sorry,you watch it and the stuff and
I'm.
I support police officers.

Speaker 2 (02:39:45):
I do too.

Speaker 4 (02:39:46):
They're out there doing a dangerous, tough job.
I wouldn't want to do it.
They skirt the line on probablywhat they should or shouldn't
do a shit ton of times.
Sometimes they almost have to,though.
I understand it's a tough job,I understand.
No, trust me, I support policeofficers 100% of the time.

(02:40:06):
I think a lot of times, though,they skirt the line on what
they can do, shouldn't probablydo, because whoever they're
arresting or, you know,searching cars and shit like
that, you know it's like shitlike that.

(02:40:27):
You know it's like hey, can Isearch your car?
No, okay, I'll get a drug dog,okay.
So now you're extending thetraffic stop.

Speaker 2 (02:40:32):
But the Supreme Court knocked that down.
They can't do that anymore.

Speaker 4 (02:40:34):
Right.
So you can't extend a stop towait for a dog.
So, for instance, if I getpulled over for speeding and
they think I got drugs in thecar, I smell marijuana, you stop
me for speeding.
Right, but that's yourinterpretation.
You smell marijuana, okay, it'sa hard way to prove it.
Okay, Unless you see it orsomething else.

(02:40:56):
Right, you can't search the car.
They say no, you can't searchmy car.
You can't extend the trafficstop past a reasonable amount of
time to get a drug dog there.
So I can't sit on the side ofthe road for 20 minutes or 30
minutes waiting for a drug dogto come sniff my car.
You've extended past what yourstop time is supposed to be.
Or else every time they justwhatever sit here for two hours

(02:41:18):
while I get a drug dog fromanother county, or the state
cops to come over here and sniffyour car right drug dogs, I bet
within the next five years willbe gone.
Yep, Because there's no way foranybody to dictate other than
the handler if the dog hits onsomething or not.
There's not a universal.
It sits every time, or it jumpson the car or it runs a circle

(02:41:41):
or it does whatever.
Juggles something Somethingright, Sniffs something, To know
that it Something right.
Sniff something To know thatit's there right, so the handler
could walk around the car andgo.
Yep, it hit on something.
I can't question the dog.
Okay, so you're always able toquestion your accuser.

Speaker 1 (02:41:56):
Right, you can't question the dog, so now the
stop, has become a dog.

Speaker 4 (02:41:59):
I can't question the dog.
Okay, in court, woof in court.
I bet you'll see the drugdoctor.
I'm sure they're right.

Speaker 1 (02:42:09):
99% of the time.

Speaker 4 (02:42:11):
But it's the one time they're wrong.
That's part of the problem, youknow what I mean.

Speaker 5 (02:42:17):
They fumbled.
They got it.
No, it's a flag.
He didn't fumble, he was down,but there's a flag.

Speaker 4 (02:42:31):
Hopefully it's holding.
Sorry, while there was a pausein the break.

Speaker 5 (02:42:36):
Yeah, we're watching a play.

Speaker 4 (02:42:39):
Slow-mo here.
No, it's a catch.

Speaker 3 (02:42:44):
It's a catch, but there was still a flag on the
play, but wait, did he drop itbefore his knees touched?

Speaker 4 (02:42:51):
No, no, I don't think so.

Speaker 5 (02:42:53):
Third and 15, so I don't know what the.
Yeah, the flag was probably aholding call.
I didn't catch the call.
Well, that would be 10 yards.

Speaker 4 (02:42:59):
Well, they would have told us what it was Were they
second and five.

Speaker 5 (02:43:03):
They were second and ten, so now they're third and 15
, so they got a five-yardpenalty on something, Something
I don't know what it was.
What's a five-yard on a I don'tknow?
Is there a five-yard holdingpenalty?

Speaker 4 (02:43:13):
No, oh, they just about, just about, got it and
picked it.
Oh, just over Sands.
Well, still fourth and 15.

Speaker 5 (02:43:20):
They're going to kick it.

Speaker 4 (02:43:30):
Yeah gonna kick it.
Yeah, they're gonna kick it.

Speaker 2 (02:43:32):
They're gonna get it just just outside of midfield
sweet.

Speaker 4 (02:43:33):
So anyways, you know, and and and I know this sounds
like I'm bashing, because herein isabella county oh, he just
about had that too the thecounty residents um we just we
just lost our road patrol yeah,brought up twice for for a vote
amongst the constituents ofIsabella County to have road
patrol, which is the Sheriff'sDepartment deputies out in the
county driving around forincidents or issues or problems,

(02:43:56):
Got denied by the voters twice.
A lot of politics involvedbuilding a new $50 million jail.
We just got done with a $10 or$12, $15 million road commission
building how the hell, do youget a neutral zone in Fraction?
A couple, two or three years agoNow, our administration

(02:44:17):
building.
They totally gutted forasbestos.
They probably didn't need to doso.
There's a lot of politicsinvolved, but my question is,
and maybe you guys can answerthis Fair catch.
Does Bill you live in Isabella?
Yeah.
Okay, are any other surroundingcounties and Isabella County
surrounds La Casa County to thewest, clare to the north,

(02:44:39):
midland to the east, gratiot tothe south, do any of those other
counties?
Does anybody anybody know?
Do they pass a separate millageFor their sheriff's department
For quote unquote road patrol?
So that's automatically intheir county budget To have
these deputies?
So where did Isabella County Gowrong?
And I've had this discussionwith my dad.

(02:45:00):
He's been in this fuckingcounty For dinosaurs to roam the
earth.
He's listening, that's fine, heknows.
He's been in this fuckingcounty for dinosaurs to roam the
earth.
He's listening, that's fine.
He knows he's 194 years old.
What I'm saying is at what pointdid the county sheriff's budget
get gutted?
So all we now have is SheriffMain and his under-sheriff Burns

(02:45:26):
, the only two left out of theSheriff's Department besides the
correctional at our county jail, the COs.
We got rid of 16, 18, 22,whatever it was Sheriff's
deputies that were out on patrolor respond to calls within the
county.
Where did that sheriff'sdepartment budget get cut so we

(02:45:51):
no longer have any deputies inthe county?
I don't understand because,like you're you, you live in the
county, you don't live in thecity limits.
So now, if you get a, adistress call, you call 9-1-1.
You got to wait on.
I don't know if you're intribal land or not.
I am, so most of us are intribal land or not I am.

Speaker 2 (02:46:06):
Most of us are in tribal land.

Speaker 4 (02:46:09):
So you might get tribal.

Speaker 2 (02:46:09):
It's only the south part of the city that is not on
tribal land.

Speaker 4 (02:46:15):
Okay, so you might get tribal to your house.

Speaker 2 (02:46:17):
Get down, or you're going to get state police, I can
get state tribal technicallyspeaking and this is really a
push.
But technically speaking, cmucould probably respond if they
wanted to.

Speaker 4 (02:46:34):
You're way outside of CMU property.

Speaker 2 (02:46:36):
But they're deputized though.

Speaker 4 (02:46:39):
Are they, I think?

Speaker 2 (02:46:39):
so they are.

Speaker 4 (02:46:40):
They all are.

Speaker 2 (02:46:43):
Now is my question why don't we just fucking
deputize tribal Well?

Speaker 4 (02:46:47):
tribal's got to I don't think tribal can.

Speaker 5 (02:46:49):
Tribal has federal jurisdiction though.
They actually have morejurisdiction than state police.

Speaker 4 (02:46:54):
But so if he but they shouldn't respond.
Well, actually Jen's texting meright now.
She would know because sheworked at the prosecutor's
office.
There you go, we're going toget it right.
She says that's being removed.
I'm going to assume from hertext.
I'm going to assume thedeputization of outside agencies

(02:47:17):
are going to be removed.

Speaker 5 (02:47:19):
Which.

Speaker 4 (02:47:21):
I think she'll definitely let me know.
I know City and CMU weredeputized to be able to respond
to incidents outside the county.

Speaker 5 (02:47:34):
Now, I'm assuming at this point Look at that, guy's
got a goofy-ass helmet cover.

Speaker 4 (02:47:40):
She said somewhere there was an article.

Speaker 5 (02:47:42):
What is it?
He's got a helmet cover on hishelmet.
Have you ever seen that?
Yeah, a lot of them do forconcussions.

Speaker 4 (02:47:45):
Reallyaring a helmet.
What is it?
He's got a helmet cover on hishelmet.
Have you ever seen that?
Yeah, a lot of them do forconcussions Really, Yep all
teams wear it.

Speaker 5 (02:47:50):
I've not seen that before.

Speaker 4 (02:47:51):
Yeah, it's for help with concussions.

Speaker 5 (02:47:54):
It's like a soft cushion on the outer shell, Yep
and it's got the team logo on it.

Speaker 2 (02:48:04):
That's the first time some point now that this is
Refs are paid off Now that allthis is going down.
Another new crew zone.
Oh, that's on the Vikingsthough.

Speaker 4 (02:48:18):
Wow, that's way too close to call.
I don't like that.
Yeah.
Anyways, Sorry, my wholequestion is right.

Speaker 2 (02:48:27):
All these deputies that probably shouldn't have a
football game on because we getdistracted Well, but it's coming
down the end and I have noproblem interrupting this.

Speaker 4 (02:48:34):
for that you got three minutes.
Was I the only one up herewinning my Lions shit on Sunday,
but that's cool, Whatever man.

Speaker 2 (02:48:42):
Oh, you do have Lions I didn't see it.
I don't have any Lions stuff.

Speaker 4 (02:48:48):
I guess you're not a fan, which is cool.
I'm a bandwagon fan, but youdon't follow football Because
you were asking what the otherthree-point yeah.

Speaker 5 (02:48:57):
Is there a three-point conversion?

Speaker 4 (02:48:58):
Yeah, that's called a field goal, which is all good,
man, I mean most of us don'tfollow the bocce ball rules like
you do, so I get it no, butyeah, I think he's more of a
pickleball kind of guy but my.
So I want to know in IsabellaCounty Plays a mean people.

Speaker 3 (02:49:16):
I'm a city resident.
You're a county resident.
You're a county resident.
Where did we go?

Speaker 4 (02:49:23):
wrong.
What is mandated by the statethat you have and what is not
mandated?
Because I don't think like MSUExtension.
Do you even know what MSUExtension even is?
Msu Extension helps farmers.
So, for instance, the MSUExtension would say it's going
to be a dry year, you have acornfield, you should plant

(02:49:43):
soybeans, or you should plantwinter wheat, or you should do
this, or or you should do thisor you should do that.
Here's grant money you can get.
They help farmers figure outwhat their soil content is to
what they should grow or notgrow Got it.
What they can get or what theydon't get oh flag.
All these different things.
I don't think that's a mandatedby the state entity.

(02:50:08):
Okay, get down.
Like your VA rep is paid for bythe federal government, they
pay the county to have a VA rep.

Speaker 2 (02:50:20):
I think that was a clean touchdown.
That's not what the flag wasWatch.
What he does.
The flag was thrown.
Oh, he pushed them off.
That cost you.
That's not what the flag wasWatch.
What he does the flag wasthrown.

Speaker 5 (02:50:27):
Oh, he pushed him off he pushed off.
That's offensive passinterference.

Speaker 2 (02:50:33):
So that's against the Vikings.

Speaker 4 (02:50:37):
No, it'd be against Green Bay.

Speaker 5 (02:50:38):
Well, they didn't take it off the board.
Well, they haven't taken it offyet it stood.

Speaker 4 (02:50:43):
Go for one.
I don't know what it's going tobe an onside kick.
I don't know what the penaltywas.
24-27 Vikings, extra points.
Good, 25-27.
Two minutes 18 seconds left.

Speaker 2 (02:50:54):
So now, what do we have to?
Do Onside kick.

Speaker 5 (02:50:56):
Do you do an onside at this point?

Speaker 4 (02:50:57):
I think you do, or do you kick it long and try got to
go three and out.
So what's the difference?
You go three and out from the25 or 30, or you go three and
out from the 40?
Yeah, it doesn't matter.
Your odds are going to bebetter to get the onside kick
and recover it if you can.
And if you don't, it's fine.
They kick it down to the 10rather than kicking it down to

(02:51:19):
the 30.

Speaker 5 (02:51:19):
Do you understand the onside kick?
Onside kick, Nope.
So what an onside kick is is ifI kick the ball and it crosses
10 yards and I recover it, itbecomes my ball.

Speaker 2 (02:51:34):
So now they have to kick to.

Speaker 4 (02:51:35):
Green Bay has to kick to Minnesota.
So if they do an onside kickthe ball has to go at least 10
yards If it goes 10 yards, youhave to declare you're kicking
it now.
Yeah, I don't like that at allWith these new rules.
So there's no surprise on sides.
But at this point it's notgoing to be a surprise anyways.
Yeah, but that's bullshit.
So you say I'm going to kick anonside kick.
If Green Bay gets it, it'sGreen Bay's ball, okay.

(02:51:57):
When Minnesota gets it, it'stheir ball, right.

Speaker 2 (02:51:59):
And they what?

Speaker 4 (02:52:01):
yard line.
Kicking it off from the 35.

Speaker 2 (02:52:03):
30, 35.
So they don't go more than theydo.
10 yards, so no more than 45.

Speaker 4 (02:52:10):
I believe.
Well, so these are new rules.
So they did a thing this yearfor player protection.
Yeah, I know.
So basically, the two teamsline up on the 40, like they are
right now.
The Green Bay team can't moveuntil oh, they're kicking it off
.
Wow, kicked it from the 35.

(02:52:31):
Out of bounds, going to go tothe 30.

Speaker 5 (02:52:35):
And then it brings it out to the 30 instead of the 20
.

Speaker 4 (02:52:39):
So the Green Bay team can't move until the other team
touches the ball.
It's a player safety, becausewhat was happening is the old
kickoff rules.
People were running too fasttackling each other.

Speaker 5 (02:52:51):
Somebody was just like this and they'd get smeared
Too many injuries, too manyproblems.

Speaker 4 (02:52:56):
So they changed the rules this year and everybody's
kind of learning that GotchaUsed to be able to do an onside
surprise, onside kick.
But, now the way they line upand you can't move until the
other team catches the ball orwhatever Gotcha.

Speaker 5 (02:53:11):
So, now they've got to do a four and out or whatever
.
And they're not going to do it.
Oh, they left him in and ofcourse they let him stay inbound
so that runs the clock out.

Speaker 4 (02:53:28):
We're right there, guys, and of course they let him
stay in balance.
That runs the clock out.
We're right there, guys.

Speaker 2 (02:53:32):
So anyways before we get off the spot.

Speaker 4 (02:53:34):
what my concern is in Isabella County and it hasn't
happened, because all of ourdeputies that work for the
Sheriff's Department have leftand gone to surrounding counties
99% of them.
What I want to know is whatpart of our budget okay has gone

(02:53:55):
to something that doesn't needto have the money, because
unfortunately, I feel ingovernment it's like okay,
everybody wants to have thepolice around, we want this
shiny new thing over here, no,but.

Speaker 5 (02:54:10):
You want the police, but you want to pay for it.

Speaker 4 (02:54:11):
Everybody wants police.
So okay, see, we're going togive a half million dollars to
the Peace Department.
Okay, let's gut that down to$50,000, and we'll put $450,000
into something else and we'lljust now make a millage, a
separate budget that thetaxpayers have to pay for, right
?
So, rather than having a $10million budget, we'll make it

(02:54:33):
$12 million, and people will payextra to make sure they have
this protection.
It's like a fire departmentEverybody wants their house put
out when it catches on fire.
Could you imagine the city ofMount Pleasant deciding well, we
spend $3 million to have a firedepartment, we're going to make
it $50,000.
And we're going to give allthat other money to something

(02:54:55):
else.
And now we're going to come upwith a millage If you want to
have a fire department, you'vegot to pay extra for it.

Speaker 5 (02:55:00):
Which you were already paying for anyways.

Speaker 4 (02:55:02):
Which you were already paying for anyways,
which you were already payingfor.
But now we're going toreallocate that to build
something else or do somethingelse with.
And now, if you want your firedepartment, if you want to have
your fire department, you canpay extra for it.
And who's not going to say, yes, I want to have a fire
department, I'll pay extra forit?
Right, I feel that's what thecounty did.

(02:55:22):
They took the sheriff'sdepartment budget hacked.
I feel that's what the countydid.

Speaker 5 (02:55:26):
They took the Sheriff's Department budget,
hacked it down to the bareminimum and spent it on
something else and said you know, and then the millage failed.
Then they were backfired.

Speaker 4 (02:55:34):
Came to you and said hey, if you want to have the
cops, you've got to pay extraand it backfired.

Speaker 5 (02:55:39):
Pass this millage.

Speaker 4 (02:55:40):
Well, we did the same thing.
We have iRide, right, we callit ictc.
Yep, right, or you have, uh,the building out, the building
out west, the senior center, um,trying to think of what it's
called anyways, uh, isabella,county commission on aging yeah
okay, those are separatemillages.
if the county residents decidedto say, hey, forget it, we don't

(02:56:03):
want ictc, low-income peoplethat can pay a buck to get on a
bus and drive around and go tothe store and do whatever, could
you imagine if everybodydecided, hey, I don't want to
pay that millage, no more, gotrid of that bus service or got
rid of the Commission on Agingor whatever?
Those are separate, outside ofbudgets.
If they took money from otherdepartments the building

(02:56:25):
department or treasurer's officeor the clerk office and put all
that money into those servicesand said, well, if you want a
county clerk and you want to beable to get your paperwork done
and you want this and you wantthat, you've got to pay a
separate millage.

Speaker 5 (02:56:39):
Well, those are mandatory services, or pay $500
for that hour that she's goingto work on your show it's going
to work on your show.
You know what I mean, yeah, soit's weird to me.
How did Right there Doinked it?
How did we?
He missed a field goal earlierin the game.

Speaker 4 (02:56:54):
Earlier in the game and they're talking about it
Doinked it off the upright.
How did we lose when all theseother surrounding counties have
all these services?

Speaker 5 (02:57:02):
I just it's hard for me to believe they passed.

Speaker 4 (02:57:07):
It's called misappropriation of funds.
I think they just took forgranted that people will always
pay for it.
Right, and now Mike Main, who'sour sheriff, is put in a tough
spot because he lost 16 or 22 orwhatever it is deputies on the
road, and probably not to hisfault at all.
It's the commissioners thathave served for years and years

(02:57:30):
and years and years before thatgutted the budget and put it in
something shit that we don'treally need, because they
couldn't pass a budget to get anew park or new, this or new,
that they took the money fromthere and said, well, we'll just
come up with another millage,another tax that people always
vote on because they want cops.

Speaker 2 (02:57:52):
Right, not his fault.

Speaker 4 (02:57:53):
This time they didn't , though, no, they didn't, and
there was a lot of it was badand part of me distrust goes to
everyone.

Speaker 2 (02:58:01):
Part of me is like is Sheriff Main involved with some
of this decision making?

Speaker 5 (02:58:06):
It almost looked like that when it came out.

Speaker 2 (02:58:10):
Did he ask for the new jail?

Speaker 4 (02:58:12):
Well, you know for sure he did.
And I will say this Our parentcompany before AJ's Plumbing was
Mid-State Plumbing and HeatingDid all the work at the jail.
I worked at the jail here whenI was apprentice.

Speaker 2 (02:58:27):
The original jail downtown.

Speaker 4 (02:58:28):
The jail downtown right behind the administration
building attached to thecourthouse Needs a lot of work,
need a lot of work.
The problem was, oh, they gotit.
The problem was the county quitdoing all maintenance at that
building.
Okay, minimum, minimum, minimum.
And my personal feeling is theymade it to the point of no

(02:58:53):
return.
They could have put an additionon, they could have shipped
some inmates out and then wecould have reconstructed
portions of it at a time.
Would have cost a lot of moneybut we could have rehabilitated
it at portions at a time.

Speaker 2 (02:59:10):
But less than a new $50 million jail.

Speaker 4 (02:59:13):
Right, which they couldn't afford to do because of
COVID times and the cost ofmaterials, which I'm well aware
of here Is this the new jailthat's held by the ICE.
It's held by the freeway yep,they just quit doing any
maintenance at all.
Or the bare minimum Toiletplugged up.
They fixed it, but they had toreplace the main end of the

(02:59:34):
ground.
Nope, we're just going to letit rot.
They shut her down.
Hva systems going to shit.
Rather than fixing it, we justlet it die.
They just let it happen.
So that way, this building wasin such disrepair that it didn't
make sense to fix it.
Okay.

Speaker 2 (02:59:52):
So they forced it.

Speaker 4 (02:59:54):
Your motor in your car is going out, okay, rather
than fixing it.
It's like oh, I can just buy anew one If my motor blows up,
rather than fixing it.
Now my motor blows up, I'llhave to get a new car, right,
right, so you just let thefucker blow up.
Right Now I don't have a choice.
I have to get a new car.
My motor's blown up Okay.
They kind of did the same thingon the building.
They let it get in suchdisrepair that it wasn't worth

(03:00:17):
fixing it at this point, right,right, because you quit doing
maintenance on it.
Right?
That's fucking bullshit.

Speaker 5 (03:00:22):
So they could get the new shiny building off the
freeway.

Speaker 4 (03:00:25):
This is my personal feeling.

Speaker 2 (03:00:27):
I'm not saying this is what happened it would be
awesome if they got the ball andran it.
I think that's yeah, they'rejust going to take a knee.

Speaker 4 (03:00:34):
I think that's what, honestly, what they did, so they
could justify they're out oftime out, so they can't get any
more, so they could justifygetting that new jail and then
put them in such a hole thatwhen they found asbestos in the
other building which is anotherdebate for another time, because
I work with asbestos all thetime bullshit we do we do, we do
schools we do hospitals we doshit I.

(03:00:57):
We just did a project up inarunak county a jail and
courthouse expansion Standish,michigan building from freaking
1940 okay asbestos all overencapsulated.

Speaker 5 (03:01:12):
Guess what we did?

Speaker 4 (03:01:13):
we're going to put an addition on you.
Cut off four feet here, we canweld on the pipe and we can take
off on the heating system,right, what did they do here?
They gutted the entire fuckingthing because they found a
little bit of asbestos in thebuilding.
Oh, what they did was they gutthe building and say, okay, now
we don't have a building, Nowyou have to pass a millage or we
have to take out bonds that youguys have to pay for to

(03:01:34):
refurbish this building.
What they didn't like?
They didn't like the layout,they didn't like how old it
looked, they didn't like this.
They have no choice but to putit back together.
Nothing left in it.

Speaker 2 (03:01:46):
Well, they got shot down.
Except we're like eh, how aboutnow?

Speaker 4 (03:01:50):
Yeah, but somebody at the upper echelons.
And trust me, I work withowners, I work with entities, I
work with governments.
All the damn time.
I see it, I know it, and that'sexactly what happens.
Somebody up there goes oh wejust got this.
Taxpayers ain't going to have achoice.
We don't have an administration.
The other thing is gutted.
We have to Brand new.
Everything's got to be redone.

(03:02:11):
No, it didn't have to be.
I guarantee you it didn't haveto be.

Speaker 2 (03:02:15):
So county government 101, because I'm not 100% the
county board of commissioners isthe head of the county
government, correct?

Speaker 4 (03:02:24):
So they are the ones that approve or disapprove
certain things.

Speaker 5 (03:02:28):
You want to know who built that new building that
they just gutted?
My grandfather.
He was chairman of the countycommissioners at the time 1972,
when that old building was built.

Speaker 4 (03:02:39):
So you have an administration that runs the
day-to-days.
Okay, the county commissionersmeet once a month and I'm sure
they're on the phone with theadministration all the time on
certain things going on, butthey can only pass certain
things.
It's like the city.
We have a city manager.
They run the day-to-day.
The city commission votes onthings every now and again.

(03:02:59):
So I'm not going to blame thecounty commissioners.
Probably the day-to-day peoplejust decided you know what,
let's just gut the whole thing.
And they said, yep, sounds good.
So close.
The commissioners got probablythe information but didn't get
the full story.
They just decided to gut thewhole thing and we're just going
to get a brand new building.

(03:03:20):
We have a show.
Didn't need to be.
Guarantee, you didn't need to beWith some rooftop units sitting
above the third floor where mywife used to work.
Guarantee you, they didn't haveto cut that entire building.
Boilers were fine, the heat wasworking, the AC was working.
They just had to put some unitson the roof but they found
asbestos and rather than cuttingthree or four feet off the
ductwork and recoupling to that,they decided fuck it, let's

(03:03:42):
just gut this whole thing andlet's get it all brand new.

Speaker 5 (03:03:44):
We got to take the asbestos out and they freaked
out.

Speaker 2 (03:03:49):
And so the board of commissioners are taking.

Speaker 4 (03:03:50):
There's elementary schools in this county.
I'll guarantee you In thiscounty that still have asbestos,
in that I put brand new boilers.

Speaker 5 (03:03:59):
Claire Middle School when I went to school there.

Speaker 4 (03:04:02):
Shepherd Elementary and Middle School.

Speaker 5 (03:04:04):
Claire Middle School is older than that.
Still have asbestos in them.
I guarantee you, older thanthat, yeah.

Speaker 4 (03:04:08):
Because I put boilers in that motherfucker in 2008,
2009.
Guarantee you, they still gotasbestos in them.

Speaker 5 (03:04:14):
Asbestos is fine, as long as you don't mess with it
and you wrap it.
You have to keep it contained.

Speaker 2 (03:04:18):
You have the remediation.
We're going to call it the deepstate again, but the deep state
of Isabella County are the onesthat have made this decision
and it's the Board ofCommissioners that are taking
the heat for it.
They're fucked with the.

Speaker 4 (03:04:31):
And that's the reason why the girl that was the
administrator is no longer theadministrator.
She resigned and quit Becauseshe was probably in charge of
the whole thing.
She was probably the one thatmade the call and then, as all
the votes over the last yearhave gone not her way, that she
thought they were probably goingto go.
She either knew she was goingto get axed or asked to leave

(03:04:54):
People are fed up.

Speaker 5 (03:04:55):
They're tired of paying for this shit.

Speaker 4 (03:04:56):
Well, we're just not going to do it anymore.

Speaker 2 (03:04:58):
Yep.

Speaker 4 (03:05:08):
Just tired of it building we do and we pay about
$700,000 $750,000 a year to nowrehouse all those different
apartments.
I know prosecutor's office isdowntown on Rodway Street, right
down the road.
Down here Past, the AJ SkyLounge is where a lot of the
other offices sit and a lot ofpeople are probably still
working from home, which isridiculous, because that doesn't
work great for the communitytrying to find out where these

(03:05:31):
departments are at.
They got to come in and fill outstuff or do something or
anything else, but much lessinner office talks.
You know what I mean.
It is what it is.
It sucks.
But.

Speaker 2 (03:05:48):
Well, on that note, yeah, I think we should wrap it
up.
What do you think, gents?

Speaker 5 (03:05:53):
I think it was a good time, all right.

Speaker 2 (03:05:54):
Well, we're at our three-hour mark, so Perfect,
cool, all right well.
Thank you everybody for joiningus.
If you're still live with us,that's great.
We appreciate it.
We're going to sign out for thenight and don't really have a
plan for the next one, but youknow it'll be next year, It'll
probably be next year.
Yep, it'll be another year fromnow, but yeah, so when we do

(03:06:19):
have something, we'll plansomething, we'll figure it out,
we'll put it as an event on thepage, so that way you know,
people know it's coming, peopleknow it's coming.

Speaker 4 (03:06:28):
And we'll make sure that Ray Lopez knows we're going
to be on.
Yep Sounds good.
Do you want to grab those?

Speaker 2 (03:06:34):
Yep, I'll grab this.
Thank you so much.
We'll see you guys next time.
Adios.

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