The Intersection of Athletics and Army Life

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
This is the typical life of military veterans, a
world that is both familiar andforeign to most of us.
It is a world that is shaped byunique experiences, values and
traditions of the military, andby the sacrifices and struggles
of those who have served, butit's also a world that is
constantly changing, as newgenerations of veterans confront
new challenges and newopportunities.

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Speaker 2 (00:38):
Welcome back to Soup Sandwich.
My name is Charlie Klein, withVFW Post 3033.
And tonight we're happy to hostanother episode of Soup
Sandwich.
So we've got a lot of things todiscuss, and tonight I have
with me.

Speaker 3 (00:55):
Joseph Gates Post 33 Elegant Webmaster and overall
tech geek.

Speaker 4 (01:00):
LAUGHING.

Speaker 5 (01:03):
Yes, he is a tech geek because he hooked us up
real well, my name is TimHarderby, I am the Post
Commander and before we getstarted, I think listen to some
of our previous podcasts.
We probably should put adisclaimer out there LAUGHING.
So a couple of us noticed thatwe say, ah, a couple of things a

(01:30):
lot Like for instance, I didn'trealize how much I said the
fire truck word and then we havea dude that says, and like that
.
And then we have a dude thatsays, right, laughing.
So the disclaimer is we are allmilitary veterans and I'm
hoping that most people thatlisten to the podcast are or

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families, and we don't want tooffend anybody, but our language
gets a little colorful, we geta little heated, we say some
stuff that isn't politicallycorrect.
So please, you know, understandwhere we're at and don't sue us
.
Laughing.
So, moving forward, let's getright into it.
What do we want to talk abouttonight, guys?

Speaker 2 (02:13):
Let's talk about a little bit of University of
Michigan football.

Speaker 1 (02:18):
Go get everybody sitting at the table tonight.

Speaker 2 (02:20):
There's three of us here currently.
We've got Trey.
He's going to be on his way.
He's running a little late,right, but.

Speaker 5 (02:29):
Fire truck.

Speaker 2 (02:30):
But you know, I mean that's the latest and greatest
thing that's out.
I mean we'll dive into DetroitLions.
I definitely want to wait untilTrey gets here because he's a
huge Lions fan.
But you know the controversyall year.
You know hard boss suspensions,the Connor Scalions stuff.

(02:51):
And then you know they'rerunning with the offensive
coordinator.
Sharon is running the gamewhile Jim was on suspension.
You're talking a few games atthe beginning of the year or
shortly at the beginning of theyear when the kind of thing was
coming up, and then the softballor the big 10, toward the end

(03:11):
of the year when they have theirbig schedule coming up.
Right, they had Penn State.
I said right again.
They had Penn State, Ohio State, you know, two big games at the
end of the year when all the.
Barbots no coach no coach.
That's only on the sideline,though, wasn't he there?

Speaker 5 (03:30):
He was there during the week, he just couldn't be on
the sideline on game day, soit's not like he prepared them,
but he couldn't coach during.

Speaker 2 (03:37):
Right.
So that would be like you, asthe post commander, not being
able to set an agenda for yoursenior vice to come in and run
the meeting because you couldn'tbe there.
Right, you're prepping them allweek long, right right, and say
okay on meeting night this iswhat you got to do.
He's pretty much doing thatwith his offensive coordinator.

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Now I'm not saying there's not.
There's obviously game timedecisions, right, depends on if
you're up, depends on if you'redown, depends how run plays are
working or this isn't working.
Not only is he calling theplays, but he's also got to
foresee what's coming up in thegame ahead of time, right?
So I'm dumbing it down.
I'm dumbing it down, but youknow.

Speaker 4 (04:18):
Sherrone did a great job, man.

Speaker 2 (04:20):
I mean he got the team to those wins, you know
yeah.

Speaker 5 (04:26):
Penn State.
They couldn't handle PennState's rush.
What'd they do?
Run it down their throats forlike 32 plays in the second half
or something like that.

Speaker 2 (04:35):
They only threw one pass play in the third quarter,
and that was it for the rest ofthe game, right.

Speaker 4 (04:39):
And they said stop us .

Speaker 2 (04:40):
Stop us.

Speaker 5 (04:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (04:43):
Then you look, they rolled Ohio State, so you got
Cri and Ryan right born on thirdbase, cri and Ryan.
Cri and Ryan, born on thirdbase.
I actually saw this awesomeTikTok and I think I told you
about it.
I don't want to send it to you,so it shows Urban Meyers
sitting there.
We just got like a gamecontroller and you could tell.
You could look at thecontroller and probably tell me
what system it was for rightProbably, but I said it again.

Speaker 5 (05:10):
Five times in four minutes At least.

Speaker 2 (05:12):
At least it's terrible.
But anyways, he, you know, he'ssitting there playing the game
Cri, and Ryan sits down next tohim, kind of like gives you know
, hey, here's the, here's thegame controller, right, and
Urban walks off camera view andthen it cuts to the video game
and there's like a school busdriving on a road and all of a

(05:33):
sudden it makes a right hook andflies off a cliff, yeah, and
then like blows up the bottom ofthe canyon.
It's so fitting now, you know,with Michigan being the highest
state three years in a row,which just is Awesome, fantastic
, fan flipping, fantastic.

Speaker 4 (05:47):
And then when they're talking about the, the
science-stealing whole scandalthing.

Speaker 3 (05:51):
what I like about it is they still have to execute on
the on the field, yeah.

Speaker 2 (05:58):
Even if you know the run is going to the right, still
have to stop.
Yeah, let's stop it.
Well, you know a great, a greatbut read into the game.

Speaker 5 (06:03):
A great, a great.
But read into that is that thatguy from Green Bay, their coach
, that the Super Bowl trophiesnamed after right Hibardi, he,
he said that I mean you see itall sometime on NFL films.
He's saying, hey, we're goingto run this all day, we're going

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to run it.
Perfect, you got a seal here,you got a kick here, you got to
do this.
And they can know it's coming,but we're going to do it so well
that they're not going to beable to stop it.
Okay, and and with thescience-stealing thing, you know
, when I played little league,my coaches were smart enough to
every couple innings, to changeour signs, because that's part

(06:48):
of the flipping game.
That's part of the game.
If you're not trying to stealsigns, you're not trying.

Speaker 3 (06:55):
So even playing basketball like I didn't mind
coming off the bench, just like,hey, I can watch what they're
doing.
Oh, he's coming and doing thisNow I can jump ahead of it when
I get on the floor.

Speaker 5 (07:05):
Yeah, yeah, it's.
It's one of the things thatthey throw a fit about the whole
.
You stole my signs.
We'll be smart enough to hideyour signs, for the love of God.

Speaker 3 (07:16):
I mean you've got a 50-50 shot.
They're either going to run itor they're going to throw it.
Pass it, right, so oh, okay.

Speaker 2 (07:27):
Look who decides to show up.
Yeah, come on in.
Yeah, go ahead.

Speaker 5 (07:34):
We don't have any refreshments around here.
We don't want you first.

Speaker 3 (07:38):
That's right.
That could be taken on adifferent level.

Speaker 2 (07:42):
Oh man, so once again .
Yeah, the podcast is cominglive from the AJ Sky Lounge.
We did a little renovationstoday.
Yeah, looks nice.
I'm hoping that the podcastwill be done at the high top bar
.

Speaker 5 (07:57):
Oh, that'd be cool.
You know, that's cool.

Speaker 2 (08:00):
We got that eight foot table in bar top in and we
can get something to help hidethese.
We got the first coat oflacquer in.
What I'd actually like to do isactually drill the holes and
you put a little inserts in andwe can feed everything up from
the bottom.

Speaker 1 (08:14):
But yeah, we'll, we'll check it out and see
Figure it out.

Speaker 2 (08:17):
This thing's going, but Trey Porter's just rolling
in.
He gets his cup filled.

Speaker 5 (08:24):
He'll be joining us here with water, with water, of
course.

Speaker 2 (08:27):
Well, why did we sugar coat it?

Speaker 5 (08:30):
Why don't we just tell well, because this isn't a
geriatric gin joint Right.

Speaker 2 (08:32):
This is the AJ Sky Lounge.
I know we drink freely and hedrinks a gin.

Speaker 5 (08:37):
Okay, Well you know, everybody's got their own flavor
.

Speaker 4 (08:40):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (08:42):
Well, and we're going to go back to the science doing
right.
So when they came up with that,original rules like 1992, 1994,
whatever it was, biguniversities literally.
I mean you think about whatyour camcorders were back in the
early nineties.
I mean they were liketelevision cameras.

Speaker 4 (08:58):
They were huge.

Speaker 2 (08:59):
I have the?
I, peace and all the, all thethings, and you literally would
have to send four people or fivepeople or six people to these
stadiums to record film.
But you were literally sendinga camera crew.

Speaker 4 (09:10):
Right.

Speaker 2 (09:11):
So we got a little bit of a, a little bit of a, a
little bit of a, a little bit ofa.
We got a tally board for them,right, yeah, but no, so you did,
you had to send a whole cameracrew.
Which little universe little,or universities central
Michigan's, or, you know, san.

Speaker 4 (09:28):
Diego states or whatever.
They couldn't, they couldn'tafford to do it.

Speaker 2 (09:31):
Yeah, it was only the big universities, so that's
that's why they made it adisadvantage.
Now you can literally send oneguy with an iPhone anywhere and
record anything you want torecord.
That's why they have threepeople on the sideline or four
people on the sideline sendingin signals, sending in cues.
They're holding up big boardswith different shapes or

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characters or whatever on it todisguise it.
So really is this is a signstealing thing, any?
I think it's a bunch of BS.
I think it was a way becauseMichigan was on the rise to come
back.
They all do it.

Speaker 5 (10:06):
Trying to keep the brother down.
They all do.
Trying to keep the brother down, everybody does it, you know.
Everybody does it, all right.

Speaker 2 (10:14):
We're going to welcome them.
I'm going to do a trade.
Good Doing good, sorry, I'mlate.

Speaker 6 (10:19):
Did you have a long day on the road today?
I did all day.
Everything worked out okay.
Yeah, I didn't crash yourtrailer.
It's all in one piece.

Speaker 2 (10:28):
Damn.
It worked out okay though.
Yeah, things insured, maninsured.
You're welcome, thank you.

Speaker 6 (10:32):
Thank you, that's what we do.

Speaker 2 (10:36):
That's all about the brotherhood.

Speaker 5 (10:37):
So so trade.
We're talking about a onlygreatest thing that's happened
in Michigan 27.
26 years, 27, 26 years.

Speaker 2 (10:46):
So I got a great caveat to this.
Later on I'm going to bring upGo blue Go blue.

Speaker 5 (10:49):
The.
This one did win thechampionship back in 2004.

Speaker 6 (10:53):
Oh, we're going to.

Speaker 5 (10:54):
we're going to talk about that too, because we're
going to talk about that because, I mean, charlie and I were at
lunch strictly drinking, ofcourse.
I mean that's what we do atlunch.
I'm pretty sure I ate.
Oh, you did.
Sorry, charlie, I did not.

Speaker 1 (11:14):
Good Lord.

Speaker 5 (11:14):
And and something I want to bring up later after we
get go through Michigan and theDetroit fiasco is is what it's
like for those deployed soldiersfrom the state of Michigan to
watch their boys on the airforce network.
What did it know?
It's AFM, AFM, yeah, Armedforces.

(11:38):
Yeah, to watch their boys kickthe dog Dookie out of the
Huskies, maybe.
I was in as an Egypt in 04 andI watched every game of the
Pistons Lakers.
I was in Iraq in 06 whenDetroit went to the World Series
and lost the Cardinals.
So that's pretty, that waspretty awesome.

(12:00):
So anyway, but we'll get it,we'll go into that later.

Speaker 6 (12:05):
Well, I was there too .
I was in Iraq at the same time,yep.

Speaker 5 (12:12):
Pretty, pretty high speed when you can watch your
team and the only onlydistraction is the flipping
bombs are coming in and you gotto run into the bunker and you
don't want to do that becauseyou're going to miss a pitch.
Yeah, you're like what the hell?

Speaker 6 (12:28):
In 04.
I was in.
I was in drill sergeant schoolduring the NBA finals and all
the guys that were rooting forLA.

Speaker 5 (12:37):
I mean, nobody thought the Pistons were going
to win.
I didn't have a choice.
Yeah, no, no, no chance, nochance.

Speaker 6 (12:42):
Because they had Shaq Colby, but did they have Gary
Payton and Carl Malone?

Speaker 5 (12:47):
Yes, they had Gary Payton and.

Speaker 6 (12:48):
Carl Malone.

Speaker 5 (12:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (12:49):
Yeah, and we mopped the floor with them.
I kind of felt bad for GaryPayton and Carl Malone because
that was their chance.

Speaker 5 (12:57):
I didn't because the sons of bitches jumped ship and
went on a loaded team.
Win a championship on your own,don't ride on Colby and Shaq's.
But that didn't work anyway,right.

Speaker 2 (13:09):
Nope, so I got out 2002.
So we come back and my fatherdrives for UPS, right, so you
get home from work and he'ssuper cold all the time.
Love the Pistons, I mean.
Watched every damn game.
He walked in through the doorat 7 o'clock, 8 o'clock at night
, from delivering packages.

(13:29):
Tv was on, the game was on.
Mother-in-law had dinner ready.
He's watching the game.
As soon as the game is overhe's going to bed.
He's only up like three hourswhen he gets home.
You know it's freezing cold outthis time of year.
Anyways, so 2004,.
Well, I've been 2003,.
That winter my wife and Ibought my father-in-law and then

(13:52):
her brother-in-law, sean,tickets to a game.
So I picked one for like end ofJanuary, beginning of February.
I went down.
So it was just a guy's trip,you know.
We drove down to the palace,watched a game and it was Elvis
night.
Had no idea it was going to beElvis night.
You know I just buy thesetickets randomly ahead of time,

(14:13):
you know.

Speaker 1 (14:13):
I think.

Speaker 2 (14:14):
I actually had to call and give a credit card over
the phone.
I think I could order themonline.
I think back then you still hadto call.
So these tickets show up.
We go down there.
As soon as we walk in we see abig old banner out this night at
the palace you know it'sscrolling on the ticker.
We're like what the hell All?

Speaker 1 (14:31):
these.

Speaker 2 (14:31):
Elvis's run around.
It was awesome.
So we find our seats and Ibought us decent seats for what
I could afford.
You know, just get out of themilitary.
We're upper bowl but we're likethe first row of upper bowl, so
you're looking straight down.
So we went up, found the seatsand we went down to got beers
and we're standing there.
My father-in-law goes what?
are all those people doing onthe line right there and they're
kind of walking, not on thecourt, they're maybe the first

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row, big old line.
There's people with suits thatyou could tell worked at the
palace, they had the badges onstuff and they're walking.
This big line of people and Ihave no idea.
So he's a call.
There's dark old Milichick orMilichak or whatever.

Speaker 5 (15:10):
Oh, yeah, Darko, he loved he loved Darko.

Speaker 2 (15:14):
So we go down and he's taking pictures of Darko
and all the stuff.
You know it was the old schoolcanvas.
These people had to walk andpass us.
He's like, well, that's gettingmine, me and Sean.
We're like, no, we can't go getin line.
We don't know what the hell itis.
He's like, well, I'm going, sohe just jumps in line, so we
jump in line with him andsomehow, you know, there was

(15:36):
like a gap and we just kind offiled in and the people behind
us didn't be like, what are youdoing in our line?
You know, they didn't saynothing.
We walk around the court and weactually walk out onto the
court during warmups and we getour pictures taken.
We get our pictures taken withthe trophies, the 8990 or 8889.

Speaker 5 (15:52):
Right, right, right.

Speaker 2 (15:53):
We walk out there like we're supposed to be in
this line.
We get our pictures taken.
There's all these other peopleup and thinking like why are
these people so lucky they getto go out of the court?
So we're literally out of thecourt.
I got the pictures the bestpicture ever and he loves
telling the story.
He was like fuck it, let's justget in the slide.

Speaker 4 (16:09):
Let's see what happens.
All right, let's do it.
What the hell.

Speaker 2 (16:11):
We just get kicked out before the game.

Speaker 5 (16:12):
We don't care, sounds like a specialist.

Speaker 2 (16:14):
So fuck it, let's just get in line.

Speaker 3 (16:16):
And here I am.
That's for forgiveness aftermission, right?
Well, and here.

Speaker 2 (16:20):
I'm the guy that would have been like hell yeah,
that's getting in the line.
Everybody would have beentelling me, though, but it's,
like you know, at the time, 60year old father-in-law going,
that's getting in the line.
You know, it's the firstprobably game he's ever seen the
Pistons place, and he was a kid.

Speaker 5 (16:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (16:33):
He's 60 years old and launches every game.
So that was Tayshaw, prince andRip and Chauncey and Big Bad
and Big.

Speaker 3 (16:40):
Bad, I missed that team.

Speaker 6 (16:43):
I saw him at a restaurant in Detroit one time
and he's huge.
Who Big Ben?
Big Ben Wallace.

Speaker 5 (16:51):
Big Wallace.
He's a big boy.
See, I think the Pistons arethe only team I have never seen
in person.
I've seen a Wings game, acouple.
I've seen a couple of ThreeTigers games.
I've seen a couple of Lyonsgames.

Speaker 6 (17:04):
Don't waste your time with this team.

Speaker 5 (17:06):
Yeah, pistons, yeah, they're terrible.

Speaker 6 (17:09):
Yeah, they're terrible, but they're our team
Yep, and that's what we do.

Speaker 5 (17:14):
Michigan was terrible for right.
And then our boy, jim Harbaugh,says I'm going to bring back
the guys, I'm going to bringback Bo.
And now he's going to have astatue right next to Bo because
he plays like Bo.
We're going to run the football.
You're going to have to stop us.
If you can't stop us, bitch,get out the way.

Speaker 2 (17:36):
Yeah, but you got to remember when he came in he was
still kind of running thatspread offense for the first
three or four years when he camein.

Speaker 5 (17:43):
Yeah, because he had.
That's what they drive, or theyrecruited.
I understand that's what theyhad recruited ahead of them,
right?

Speaker 2 (17:49):
And then it slowly started to change.
So but you see right,washington's coach, that's only
a second year.
They're going to be good.
That was only his second year,so he's coming in and Brian
Kelly that he's at OSU now hewas here at CMU is that my
sister and I went to GrandValley's where she graduated and
Brian Kelly was at Grand Valley.
Division two, one I couldn'teven tell you six, eight

(18:12):
division two championships cameto CMU, excelled them for the
three or four years he was hereand he bounced Cincinnati and
you know he's Notre Dame and hekind of bounced around but no
doubt he's good he's.
He's a coach that can come inand literally in a year or two
flip a team from being shit tobeing.

(18:34):
Didn't do it in Notre Dame.
Being top tier didn't do it atOSU?

Speaker 5 (18:37):
Well no.

Speaker 2 (18:37):
I have a feeling he's only first year at OSU right.

Speaker 5 (18:46):
Yeah, but they, they bounce at all.
Geron, I don't know if that'sthe correct pronunciation, but I
think Ed won a championshipwith with LSU, and then they buy
a team for Chip Kelly.

Speaker 2 (19:02):
Well, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'm saying Hold, it isn't
Chip Kelly it.

Speaker 5 (19:06):
Who's the dude that said UCLA?
I thought Chip Kelly was atUCLA.
I have no idea, I don't I.
I.

Speaker 2 (19:12):
I'd, I don't know.
I'm just saying that therethere's coaches out there that
can do it.
That can walk in with a team andturn a culture and make a good.
There's other coaches thatthey're going to need three or
four years and that Jim JimHarbaugh is that coach.
Now they're super dominant.
Now that's not sayingWashington next year is not
going to be.
They might be lucky to breakthe top 20.

(19:34):
I mean, you just don't knowright, as he's recruiting, his
guys are coming in.
It doesn't mean they're goingto stay great.
Obviously it helps when youhave a good program you're going
to recruit.
The best players want to comein there because they get the
exposure for the NFL.
But you know there's there'scertain coaches that that can
come in and certain coaches thatthat need some extra time and

(19:54):
that's actually time is fine.
I mean, if you're one of thenational championships, who the
hell cares?
But, but the crazy thing is wetalked about on Facebook.
My son enlisted in delayedentry program May 17th.
I enlisted in delayed entryprogram May 17th.
We were 26 years apart.
That's the last time, though,to the day.

Speaker 5 (20:16):
That's the last time, though.

Speaker 2 (20:18):
It was the exact, yeah, exact same month, exact
same day.
We were just 26 years apart,which is crazy to believe.
But then what happened in 1997?
Wolverines won nationalchampionship, but they knew this
year Nice, wolverine.
So if you think about it, maybeit's good luck.
I told my text to my daughterand I said hey, guess what
you're doing next year on May17th, You're going to go enlist

(20:40):
in the air for us.

Speaker 5 (20:41):
You're going to go and listen to something, so the
Biscuit Wolverines win again.
That'd be awesome.

Speaker 2 (20:45):
We're going to three P and we're going to be base
17th in the years that me or mykids enlist, you're going to
have to find some kids to adapt.

Speaker 3 (20:52):
You know I might have to.

Speaker 2 (20:53):
Every year I'm adopting a senior Guess what
you're doing.

Speaker 6 (20:58):
You know that normally us as men and we have
sons we always want our sons tobe better than us.
That's something somebody saidto me is that, if you think
about it, the only person thatwants you to be better than them
is your father.

Speaker 3 (21:21):
In most cases.

Speaker 6 (21:21):
And, yeah, most cases , most generally speaking.
So I'm wondering, charlie, whydid you let your son join the
ring?

Speaker 5 (21:30):
Ah, I knew that was covered right there, woo.

Speaker 3 (21:35):
Right, because I like that Fuck.

Speaker 6 (21:41):
You got three army guys piling on him right now and
he loves it.

Speaker 3 (21:47):
You can only see his smile right now.

Speaker 2 (21:50):
No, because if he enlisted anything else, he'd
have been below.
He wouldn't be an improvement.

Speaker 6 (21:58):
We just made a point that the army is better than the
Marines.
No, that's not the point?

Speaker 2 (22:06):
The point was you want your kids to be better.
They can't get any better.
I mean, if you went in anyother branch you'd be below
standards.

Speaker 3 (22:14):
That's the point.
Well, when you look at theflags in the order from left to
right, like most important it's,the army flag comes first.
I just want that on record.

Speaker 2 (22:27):
It's really easy to establish yourself and then
backdate you to whatever youwant to be.
It's like post-dating a check.
I can write down whatever thehell I want and I can say well,
we were around way before you,we were just going to backdate
our shit.
What are you talking?

Speaker 7 (22:41):
about.

Speaker 2 (22:41):
Six days before you and then say we're better, yeah,
get out of here.
What are?

Speaker 5 (22:45):
you talking about.

Speaker 2 (22:47):
Here we go, oldest national guard.

Speaker 6 (22:49):
It is the oldest branch I mean it was a backdate
of yourself.
I mean, I'm going to have toagree with the.

Speaker 2 (22:54):
You're a bunch of freaking farmers with pitchforks
and we freed a nation.
And somehow you decided thatand we freed a flipping nation
and somehow now you're going todecide well, back then we were
just a bunch of farmers.
We're just going to callourselves the OK, national guard
, that's cool.

Speaker 6 (23:09):
I can't agree with you on that one.
Wow, that's pretty.

Speaker 2 (23:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (23:14):
Thank you, that's what most people say.

Speaker 5 (23:19):
Except your wife.

Speaker 2 (23:22):
Why did we have to go there?
You went there.
Don't say you wouldn't.

Speaker 5 (23:26):
He dragged me to it.
He definitely did.
You can't bring me into a barand then tell me I can't drink.
We don't drink at the Skylon.
I know that's strictlyforbidden, because you might
burp.

Speaker 3 (23:41):
Oh, she's like last time.

Speaker 2 (23:43):
That was serious.
I was re-listen to the podcast.
I had to take it.

Speaker 3 (23:47):
He was like no, I was better than that.
I should go back and edit thatout and make that my ringtone
for a while.

Speaker 2 (23:57):
I think it came from down deep yeah.
So, all right, so we're downwith the.

Speaker 5 (24:01):
Wolverines, michigan.
Baby, I love it.
Harbaugh gone, harbaugh gone.
You know it's Harbaugh gone.
Do you think he's going to gopro?

Speaker 6 (24:08):
No, I mean, he already tried that once.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 5 (24:11):
But I think if they don't give him total, 100%
control, he's going to stay atMichigan.

Speaker 6 (24:17):
You said if they don't, or if If they do he'll go
.

Speaker 5 (24:21):
If they don't, he'll stay, because what's he getting,
charlie?

Speaker 2 (24:25):
He's getting 10 years 125 million and I guarantee you
, lord Emanuel and the presidentand the boosters said whatever
this guy wants, gets period.

Speaker 6 (24:36):
Within reason yeah, no, he's going to have a statue
next to.

Speaker 2 (24:41):
Bo, you know Michigan's got the largest
alumni association.

Speaker 5 (24:46):
Bo never won a national championship.

Speaker 2 (24:50):
But what I'm saying is they've got the largest
alumni association.
Yes, if Jim Harbaugh wantssomething, he should 100% get it
.

Speaker 5 (24:58):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (24:59):
Absolutely.
He literally renegotiated thecontract in the bad years
Because he couldn't beat a houseto 80.

Speaker 1 (25:08):
Couldn't win a playoff game.

Speaker 2 (25:09):
Renegotiated.
Run the gambit 15 and a half.
It's only happened five othertimes.
Yep, right.
Or there was actually a team in1894.
It was like Yale or some shit.
That was 16 and all.
But everybody else, georgia'sOhio State's are 15 and all.
Run the gambit.
He deserves everything that'sthrown his way.

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He's proven himself, he's takenthe hit and now he's built the
team.
And when you have players whoare NFL eligible and what I mean
eligible, they're alwayseligible.
They can declare.
But I mean they're actuallylegitimate NFL quality players,

(25:54):
they're going to get drafted,they're going to play in the NFL
.
That's a shut up, joe.
They say fuck it, I'm going tostay because we have unfinished
business.

Speaker 5 (26:06):
Unfinished business.

Speaker 2 (26:06):
Playcourt said it great, we're finished, business
is finished.
We all came back.
They love the coaches, theylove the facilities.
They were on a mission and youdon't come back when you can go
to the NFL.
Now the NILs probably helpedout.
These players are getting paid,some some more than others, but

(26:28):
you're looking at these guysthat could have bounced and made
millions and now maybe they'remaking tens or maybe 100,000s of
dollars and they could havebeen making millions in the NFL.
They said, fuck that.
I'm coming back.
We have unfinished businessbecause the coaching hasn't
stilled that yes.

Speaker 5 (26:47):
If you stay, you will be a champion.
Those who stay will bechampions.

Speaker 2 (26:51):
That's right and at the end of the day, that comes
from your leadership.
Those guys would walk throughfire.

Speaker 5 (27:00):
Absolutely.

Speaker 2 (27:02):
And I think it proves it, because they came back to
finish the business where theycould have sailed off into the
sunset.
And the best part that I loveis the fact that there's four
years of Ohio State players.
Could you imagine if you cameinto Ohio State as a freshman,

(27:22):
if you came?

Speaker 4 (27:23):
into Ohio State as a freshman COVID year 2020.
Didn't play.

Speaker 2 (27:29):
Michigan 2021,.
You lose to Michigan 22,.
You lose to Michigan 23,.
You lose to Michigan 24, youlose to Michigan or 24 an hour,
it's going to happen.
So the freshman to senior year.
They never beat Michigan.

Speaker 5 (27:45):
And they're all hanging themselves right now.

Speaker 2 (27:47):
They're all hanging in trees, they're all
contemplating great, the hell doI do, I do?
I want to go over five.
Say another year, just get myass kicked or what do they want
to do?
I just love the fact to knowthat there's guys that play for
Ohio State.

Speaker 3 (28:00):
I saw a story today, they're never beat Michigan.
Jj was going to go to OhioState first and then he was lied
to and said screw it, I'm goingto go to Michigan and they're
going to pay for it.

Speaker 6 (28:11):
So really yeah.
So it's going to go to OhioState first.
Those of you that follow it alot closer than I do is JJ
McCarthy.
He's got, he's done, yeah.

Speaker 5 (28:22):
I don't know.
I haven't heard what year is heat.
He's a junior.
He's a junior.

Speaker 6 (28:26):
He's got a year, I would leave.

Speaker 2 (28:30):
I would assume he's going to be the same.
Yeah, I mean.

Speaker 5 (28:34):
I'd come back and be the only Michigan quarterback to
win two national championshipsback to back.
Baby, the only thing I couldsay about him, he'd be a legend?

Speaker 6 (28:44):
Yeah, he would be.
That's if he did it.
I suppose he fucking hurtshimself and goes down.

Speaker 2 (28:53):
But you know, a guy like JJ is going to make
hundreds of thousands of dollars.

Speaker 4 (29:00):
NIL money.

Speaker 2 (29:02):
Yeah, no, that's not.

Speaker 5 (29:04):
And then he puts on an insurance policy on himself
and he'd be set for flippingever.
I think he's going to be a guythat's going to be.

Speaker 2 (29:21):
I think he'll be back .
I think there's a good cost toit, but same extent I think I
would blame him if he dips out.

Speaker 5 (29:41):
And they got that Dante Moore coming in and they
got that, or EJ or whatever.
He ran a couple of three playsthere in the national
championship but he's just in torun the ball.
But they use that kid on puntreturns.
Oh, speaking of punt returns,the dude that fumbled the ball
at the one yard line on the puntreturn he hit the transfer

(30:03):
portal.

Speaker 4 (30:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (30:06):
I feel so bad for that kid.

Speaker 2 (30:08):
I'm going to hold you right there.
We got this game in Brent camein yeah.

Speaker 8 (30:14):
Brent Holbrook, quartermaster of post three,
zero, three, three, and join inthe conversation.
So we're talking football.

Speaker 2 (30:23):
We're talking Michigan Wolverines right now.
So sorry, that's the reason whywe went silent for a second was
Brent was coming in the room,so but yeah, so same thing.
Alabama, Alabama's center.

Speaker 4 (30:39):
He hit the transfer.

Speaker 2 (30:40):
He hit the transfer portal like a day later we can
all those bad snaps to Milbro,those crazy low snaps, and they
say that that last play, when hetook the snap and just ran up
the mill, that was supposed tobe an RPL so he had the running
back as you're watching TV wascoming toward us.

(31:02):
Yeah, I don't know if that'sthe way I could tell if that was
the wide side.
I think it was the wide side ofthe field.
I think it was, and Michigan hada linebacker coming to cover
them.
There's two receivers out therethat had their blocks, but it
was going to be dang.
It's going to be dang close, Ithink Michigan Well, they had.
I think we had a really, reallygood shot at stopping them,
because I think I created openfield tackling.

Speaker 5 (31:24):
Yeah, I think they stole the signs.

Speaker 2 (31:31):
All right now let's move on to the Lions, the Dallas
cheaters.
It's not Dallas, as well, it'sthe.

Speaker 3 (31:41):
Zebras every year.

Speaker 8 (31:43):
Now I'm going to jump on this bandwagon because I
really am a bandwagon fan.
I'm not really into footballall that much.
Get the fuck out of here, right.

Speaker 1 (31:52):
I'm more of a hockey guy myself.

Speaker 8 (31:54):
But but even though, like watching what's going on
and kind of understanding, likewhat happened with the refs,
they instantly were demoted, orat least that's what I read.
Basically they were punished.
They can't call any games inthe playoffs now, but, with that
being said, I also heard thatthe commissioner has the

(32:17):
authority to overturn scores,but he's not going to.
So my question is why is that?
And is it just because he's adouche canoe or because
everybody hates the guy.

Speaker 2 (32:31):
You don't fucking do it.
Roger Goodell yeah, no, nobodylikes him.
I think the issue is that mostpeople agree with it.
Once you open Pandora's box,you can't put it back single
time Something happens.
This, this is such an alarm andanomaly.
It's the fourth quarter, end ofthe game scenario.
Now, all of a sudden, say thathappened in the second quarter

(32:57):
and the team loses.
They can be like well youshould overturn that.
That should have counted.
And then, if you take all thescores from here on, then there
were so many other things thatwould have happened or could
have happened.
You know what I mean to notalter the course of the game and
because, that happened withinthe last 20 seconds of the game.
Essentially he should couldhave done it, but I think once

(33:20):
you open that door it's you'llnever shut it.
It's the slippery slope andeverybody will be saying and
screaming that you need tochange the score and I
understand that.

Speaker 8 (33:29):
but I think it stands to reason that that late into
the game would increase thereason to do it rather than like
some second quarter you knowlike, because then the game is
still up in the air.

Speaker 2 (33:45):
Now a few sets of precedence.
That says, within the last,like two minutes two minutes of
the game and the referees make amistake, that bad, I will
change it, but I'm not going togo back.
Yeah, from 201 to whatever, inever change it, but within two
minutes, you know, within twominutes of the end of the game,

(34:06):
I'll change it.
Right, but it has to be in you.
You'd have to set the parameter.
It has to be a scoring play.
I got either overturned ormissed.
It can't be a first down.

Speaker 8 (34:18):
Yeah, totally a reception it can't be.
Yeah, totally open to any rulesthat they set down or whatever,
but just to blatantly blanket,just you know, blanket policy.
Oh, I don't want to openPandora's box.
That's not an excuse, I'm not.

Speaker 2 (34:33):
He's never come out and said anything.

Speaker 1 (34:34):
No, he's not.

Speaker 2 (34:35):
I'm just saying I can see why he's not going to do it
, because once you open the dooryou'll never shut it again.

Speaker 8 (34:41):
Right.

Speaker 2 (34:42):
It'll be a million and five people complaining that
they got screwed in the gameand we need to change it.

Speaker 5 (34:46):
And the whole thing is you know, if I'd have been in
the stadium with a sniper rifle, I'd have shot that rough.
I'm just saying Okay.

Speaker 2 (34:54):
Okay, I'm just saying so that was good.
So the referee has to announceto the defense who the eligible
player is, just like they comeover the loudspeaker and they
say 60 is declared, 79 isdeclared, whatever's declared.
So what's the point of runningthree guys up to the ref if

(35:15):
they're going to announce to thedefense or announce over the
loudspeaker who's eligible ornot?
What was the point when I justsend one guy out there and say,
okay, I'm the guy who's going todeclare him?

Speaker 5 (35:25):
Well, because maybe the defense doesn't listen and
that's on them.
There's nothing wrong with alittle deception, you do it all
the time.

Speaker 2 (35:31):
Well, that's the reason why there's three guys
staying in there giving signals.
Yeah but there wasn't, therewas two.
No, no, no what I'm saying.
That's why there's three guyson the sideline giving signals.
Oh, yes, yes, exactly Fordeception in the skies.

Speaker 5 (35:43):
Because when the skipper come on, if you watch
the replay when he run in, hehad his left arm, like in a
bodybuilding this show in mymuscle thing, and then his other
hand was on his chest.
Okay, and basically and Ididn't know this, but listening
to get up and NFL today that's ajumbo package which means more

(36:08):
linemen and however many fingershe's got up tells you how many
extra linemen he has.
Okay, so Dan Skipper never wentto the ref, he ran in and went
right to the line of scrimmage.
Tyler Decker no, no no, no, no.

Speaker 2 (36:25):
He ran towards the head official never got to him
and the signal is two handsbrushing.

Speaker 5 (36:31):
Right, but he never did that.
He was like this, he was likethat, yeah, and he.
And then Tyler Decker stood infront of him and one of the head
league officials said well, yougot to make sure it's known.
And Scott Van Pelt said whatdoes he got to do?
Dude fucking jumping jacks infront of a dude, the guy's

(36:54):
fucking six foot eight, threehundred and eighty pounds and
staying right in front of youand he's going like this.
If you can't see that, you'retotally in it.

Speaker 2 (37:03):
Did you?
Did you see the thing I postedon Facebook about Rex Ryan?

Speaker 5 (37:07):
Yeah, Rex Ryan was fucking lost his mind.

Speaker 2 (37:11):
Are we going to stop blaming the players and hold the
officials accountable?
It's their job to pay attentionto the game.
It's not the playersresponsibility to notify the
referee.
The players do what they needto do, but it's the officials

(37:32):
responsibility to pay attentionto the game.

Speaker 8 (37:34):
Now let me ask you this that's why they're there,
so let me ask you this.
So what is the situation had wehave one?
Is this just a matter of record?

Speaker 5 (37:48):
No, no, this is a matter of playoff seating.
If they to beat Dallas, they'dhave won under the number two
seed.
San Francisco lost, they wouldhave won into the number one
seed and had every game playedat Fort Field.
That's why it was so important.
It wasn't it wasn't just somemotherfucking, whatever.

(38:09):
It's just a game.
They got fucked because theycould have went to the number
one seed, which meant everybodywould have had to come to them.
But now you know they'replaying the Rams and we can talk
about that in a second here.
Oh, matthew, matthew Staddy'scoming back.
We're going to play the Rams,right.

Speaker 3 (38:29):
We'll talk about that Jersey thing.

Speaker 6 (38:31):
One time, with the one time he can actually help
the Lions.

Speaker 2 (38:35):
Yeah, the one time we want him to lose.

Speaker 5 (38:38):
Well, I'm hoping that he remembers what it was like
when he played for the Lions andall the bad offense alignment
he had and always got fuckingjust trashed.
I'm hoping Aiden and the boyssay, hey Matt, welcome home, and
fuck him up.
So but yes, that's a.
That's a very good question,because it didn't just change,

(39:00):
not just a game.
We're talking about going froma three seed, where you have to
play the first round and youdon't get that extra week off,
to a one seed because SanFrancisco lost.
They beat Dallas.

Speaker 8 (39:14):
They would have went from three to one, so it's not a
matter.
There's a few different thingsto look at then.
So it's not a matter of say, Idon't know, the game decides
like, the winner of that gamedecides that that that team is
going to play off.
So it wasn't that.

Speaker 5 (39:30):
No, they were already in the playoffs.
All teams were already in theplayoffs.
Seating Seating is importantfor especially home home field
advance.

Speaker 2 (39:38):
So if they would have bumped up, they would have been
guaranteed the first two gamesat home, rather than playing one
game at home.
And now, if they win the secondgame they're going to play at
someone else's stadium, so yeah,probably the advantage is huge,
probably Dallas.

Speaker 6 (39:52):
They better, I swear to God, they better fuck those
dudes up.
They better fuck them up.
Take the anger.

Speaker 5 (40:00):
They better fuck them up.
Probably Dallas, but they couldhave had everybody come through
Detroit.

Speaker 2 (40:05):
Detroit.
Detroit fans are absolutelyridiculous at how long they get.
I mean, the city is going toburn when they went on Sunday,
ann Arbor did 17 fires orsomething like that.

Speaker 5 (40:22):
And Ann Arbor?
Why are you fucking burningyour city down?

Speaker 2 (40:26):
We want a championship.
Go to the bar and drink fuckingbeer.
They're not burning the bellies, they're burning cars.
Well, whatever, Well they usedto do that here at CMU yeah.

Speaker 5 (40:36):
When they beat Western in the 90s when I was a
kid, oh yeah, it was not Western.
And CMU.

Speaker 2 (40:42):
Yep, that was bad.
That's why the Western CMUgames are now on like Thursday
nights.
They don't do them on Saturdays.
So the kids ain't drinking allday and partying all night, you
know, and until my, Tuesdays.

Speaker 5 (40:54):
So, and then Ogan Skipper got a little love.
He did.
He did love on Sunday when hecaught that pass, first down
pass for four yards Did you seewhat happened.
They just stared at the refsand it wasn't even that ref's
fault.
Because, that rough wasn't inthe Dallas game.

Speaker 2 (41:10):
But did you hear the crowd?

Speaker 5 (41:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (41:12):
He caught the pass.
The crowd's going absolutelystanding ovation.

Speaker 5 (41:17):
Yeah, it was fucking awesome.
I don't care who they are.

Speaker 8 (41:21):
One more question about refs in the NFL.
Is there while the game isactively played?
Are the refs it?
And what I mean by that is forthe MLB, for Major League
Baseball, you've always got theUMPs right, but you usually have

(41:46):
somebody's supervisory.
Well, yeah, they do that's whythe booth?

Speaker 4 (41:49):
Yeah, the booth, he's going to go to the booth, so
they do.

Speaker 2 (41:55):
They call it a replay official, but somebody.

Speaker 5 (41:58):
That was a play that they said can't be, that could
not be replayed.
There's only certain plays thatcan be replayed, and that was
not one of them.

Speaker 2 (42:07):
Oh shit.
Well, the issue is it's aninterpretation of the ref the
head official.
He's the guy with the way hat,he's the head official.
Then he have line side bagjudges.
They have all different kindsof referees.
There's like a dozen on thefield and one guy up in a booth
and it's up to when.

(42:29):
It's that type of a call.

Speaker 4 (42:33):
If that official that the player is checking in with
is like I never saw it.

Speaker 2 (42:38):
There's no way for a replay official to say, well, he
did do it or didn't do it.
It's not like I'm checking tosee if you caught the ball in
bounds, out of bounds.
Did you get your feet in?
Your feet were out that theball hit the ground, where they
actually have camera footage.
The only camera footage youever see is the same one.
It's the head official outthere.
It's a view of their backs, soyou can't see if they were make.

(42:59):
He was making the motion, notmaking the motion.

Speaker 3 (43:02):
But you see, that time too they have.
I think it's on their hats tohave them on all of us.
Every refer not but yes, sothey ever so often.

Speaker 2 (43:10):
So if that comes out but once again, though, it's
like a body cam out of policeofficer, you know, if his body's
not facing something, so theleft or to the right that camera
is only got a view.
So if it's on his hat, he waslooking at skipper coming in and
not paying attention to someoneelse.
You might he legitimately mightnot have seen him do it, but he
should have taken the timebefore running up to the line of

(43:32):
scrimmage.
This is okay, guys.
Who is it you know?
I mean.
So that's, I think, why theygot hamstrung, because he didn't
make sure what he saw is whathe saw.

Speaker 5 (43:43):
Okay you see, I'm saying yeah, I do, but this is,
this is my motherfucking problem.
Hey, here we go, guys.

Speaker 4 (43:50):
I was trying to be good trying to be good, but this
is my motherfucking problemwith us.

Speaker 5 (43:54):
Okay, why would fucking Decker walk up to the
fucking ref if he's notreporting as eligible?
How do you misadude that six,nine and three hundred pounds?
Standing in front of you andand, of course, like you said,
charlie, from the back youcouldn't tell if he was wiping
his shirt, but why else is hegoing over there?

Speaker 2 (44:16):
No, no, could we well , but it's deception.
I'm gonna send a pile of guysover there, and maybe you don't
listen to what the ref says orwhat the loudspeaker says, or
what the loudspeaker says, andyou see a pile of guys over
there.
It's the same reason why youhave three guys calling signals
in.
Okay, so deception.

Speaker 5 (44:30):
But then Dan Campbell comes on and he tells everybody
that I took the refs and don'tthey always do it?
Yeah, and they even do it at thehigh school level.
Rex Ryan said the same thing.
Yeah, they do it at the highschool level.
We're gonna run.
This is our trick play.
This is what we're gonna run.
This is who's gonna be eligible.
This is what this guy's gonnado.
This is what this guy's gonnado.

(44:51):
This is what everybody's gonnado.
Here it is, and he shows it out.
So they should, unless the guysare flipping moron.
He should have figured it.

Speaker 2 (45:00):
I mean well, and they do even like, say, even in high
school, the refs will come inand say, okay, kind of not
necessarily what your game planis, but any plays that you want
us to be aware of, right, andthey literally will have it on
the whiteboard and they'll say,okay, these are gonna be the
trick plays that we're gonna run, or if we're gonna have
alignment eligible, these aregonna be the numbers for the

(45:23):
guys that will be eligibleduring that, that package.
And they're taking notes, youknow so.
Then that way they are aware ofit, they're not gonna remember.
I mean, could you imagine if Igave you 12 plays and the other
team gives you 12 plays andyou're still trying to manage
the game and call stuff?
You're not gonna remember, tim,I can.

(45:43):
How many times I gotta sayRemind them, remind them, remind
them, remind them remind who Iknow, but it's, it's simple, and
these guys are running around.
It's, it's a game.
That means something.
So they're, they're runningaround trying to make sure that
they're running, he's runninghis crew correctly.
They're making that, so I getthat they can miss something.

(46:05):
I understand that they can getsomething at the end of the day,
if you look at the replay, heruns away from everybody else
and you pays attention toskipper number 70, right, he
should have stopped and checkedto make sure that he got.
Hey guys, did I get that rightor am I wrong?
It should have been.
It's his responsibility to makesure he gets in.

(46:26):
That's what rex rams saying.
They're responsibility to makesure they get it right.
It's not the player'sresponsibility, it's not the
coach's responsibility, it's theofficial's responsibility to
make sure they get it right.
So then, pisses me off is as acoach or a player.
If they talk shit About areferee making a bad call, an
official making a bad call, theyget fine.

(46:48):
And they, they talk shit aboutthat and say this, that was
bullshit, they missed it, theyfucked up.
You get fined or suspended or,worse, gone for the season.
If you say anything negative,so questioning authority is
absolutely forbidden.
Oh, cost you money, it'll costyou games, it'll cost you all
sorts of that's.
That's bullshit how it's allset up by.

(47:11):
But the reason for it Is you'dhave every player, every coach
to question constantly bitchingabout Well they, we got 13 home
calls and they got nine.
And that's bullshit.
They should have had 13 too,and I mean it would just get out
of hand with the bitchin.
So that's why they do it.
So then, but I would if I wasDan Kimmel said fuck it, find me

(47:34):
, I'll give a shit, suspend thefucking.

Speaker 5 (47:36):
Fuck yeah, I got every fucking dollar worth.
It's every fucking dollar worth.
I'd still be fucking bitchingafter the minnesota win it's
coming.
Um, yeah, because after theminnesota win I would have went
and said see, this is what I'mfucking talking about.
We could have had the numberone fucking seed in the nfc, but
because some stupid ass can'tfigure out who's eligible and

(47:58):
who's not.
But here we are in the threeseed Playing a wild card game.
Well, who?

Speaker 6 (48:04):
um who.
Who does have the number oneseed san?

Speaker 5 (48:07):
francisco mother, even though they lost, if they
would have, if detroit wouldhave won, they would have come
down right, right.
They had to come to two wherethey would have to have a wild
card game and played green bay,I think is who dallas gets and
then I tell you, though, jordan,jordan, love.

Speaker 2 (48:25):
And what matt lefie was doing right now those guys
are on a roll too.

Speaker 6 (48:28):
They're just like.
It's just like did you go tohigh school with matt lefie?

Speaker 2 (48:32):
Matt lefie.
Yeah, he was he was yearsbehind me, so okay, yep.

Speaker 8 (48:37):
So one more question is here's behind me man, you got
a lot of question.
I told you, football is notreally a game I follow, so it's
good because there's probablysome listeners out there that.

Speaker 6 (48:48):
Thank you, yeah, I appreciate you yeah.

Speaker 5 (48:52):
Sucking up to the navy guy.

Speaker 8 (48:55):
Um, we were talking about them.
They're using tools whenthey're available.
I think you got something onyour mouth there.

Speaker 6 (49:02):
Okay, I was, look, I was sticking up for you.
But now it's over, it's over,it's over bitch.

Speaker 8 (49:07):
I see my coping mechanism is to play into it.

Speaker 4 (49:10):
So that you know doesn't Butter anyway.

Speaker 8 (49:14):
So we mentioned the booth earlier and so my last
question it might include that.
So if a, if a coach throwstheir challenge flag, red flag,
yep, yep Does that start the?

Speaker 2 (49:27):
process.
Start going into the booth.

Speaker 8 (49:30):
Okay, I just wanted to make sure, so essentially
what?

Speaker 2 (49:32):
because that wasn't an option for him.
There's certain players theycan challenge or not, like spot
of the ball, possession of theball.
If it's a catch, not a catch,okay they can't.

Speaker 5 (49:40):
They can't challenge if it's pass interference or not
pass interference.
They can't challenge a holdingcall.
They can't challenge off, theycan't they can't targeting.
They can't targeting but theycan't challenge off sides.
I don't believe I mean you'reeither.
Are you're not like the fuckingidiot stick and Mother?
He should have turned aroundthe other way and he could have

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been like the fucking defensealignment.
You know, he's so far off sides, it wasn't even funny.
And then everyone's like, well,I can't believe you made that
call.
You know they got a littleprogram.
Say you, look over at that refand say hey, am I good now?

Speaker 2 (50:17):
No, you know you know it's not there.
It's not even.
If you do that and you lookover to the side official, you
say am I good?

Speaker 5 (50:26):
They don't have to, they don't have to, but normally
they do.

Speaker 2 (50:29):
Protocol typically states They'll tell you.

Speaker 5 (50:34):
I'm here, okay.

Speaker 2 (50:35):
You're okay, it's not their responsibility.
To tell you he was, but he wasway over.
He was like a yard.

Speaker 5 (50:43):
Well, look what happened to this is a lot.
Look what happened to the centerfor, uh, philadelphia, travis
kelsie's brother.
He took the ball and normally acenter will get the ball and
he'll rock the ball up on itstip to snap it.
Well, he actually took it andmoved the ball forward, forward

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and then when he snapped it,they called him for illegal
procedure, illegal, illegal snap.
And in the pro podcasts thatthem two brothers do, travis
kelsie and the other, kelsie,travis travis and I don't know
what.
The other case, jason, jason,he goes.
Hey, that's not me, man, hegoes.
I just got in the wrong stance,I got up over the ball, so I'm
kind of like too far forward,forward, where that would almost

(51:29):
make him outside.
Yeah, and the dude's gonna runme over because I don't have my
stance, so I just moved the ballforward a little bit and he
goes.
And that's on me.
Yeah, he goes.
It's never called but, based onwhat happened in kansas city,
kept it called.
Now my fuckers are it?
Kept me called.
All right, is your penishanging over the Speaking.
Speaking of penis, the bestsign, oh god.

Speaker 6 (51:52):
Yeah, he loves it.
He loves penis.
Let's hear about it tim.

Speaker 5 (51:56):
Look at this.
Did you see some of the signsat the national football or at
the championship game?
There was a dude that held up asign that said uh Jim, hire
ball has no penics, yeah forpanics.

Speaker 2 (52:12):
Yeah, that was actually a woman that held that.
Yeah, I did.

Speaker 5 (52:15):
And then there was another guy that said uh, I had
a better sign than this, butmichigan stole.
I was like you gotta give himcredit.
That was pretty funny.

Speaker 3 (52:26):
That's the crap we should be seeing during timeouts
and stuff.

Speaker 8 (52:28):
So I would say so I would consider myself the peanut
gallery on this.
On this topic, usually are yeah, yeah, whatever, fuck you.

Speaker 2 (52:38):
You're like you're out of the door for you to get
in.

Speaker 8 (52:39):
Yeah, so I'm just gonna let it go.
I would say A coach only hasone challenge a game.

Speaker 2 (52:52):
No no.
Two per half.
Two per half.
Two per half.

Speaker 5 (52:56):
Oh, okay.

Speaker 4 (52:56):
And I think they get one in overtime.

Speaker 2 (52:59):
One I know in overtime all all challenges.
Oh, that's right, they all,they all come from the booth,
yep.

Speaker 8 (53:03):
You're right, okay, all right.
Well then, this thought processdoesn't make sense Because I
was gonna say, if they only hadlike say they only had one
challenge a game, makeeverything challengeable, so
that it's like a strategic thingIs is that play?

Speaker 5 (53:17):
or is that thing you want to tell it really that bad?
The game would go on so whereit's 10 hours.

Speaker 2 (53:22):
So where it's strategic is if you throw a
challenge flag and the call onthe field stands, you lose a
time out.
Yeah, so you get.
You get three timeouts per half, right, where you can stop and
talk strategy or try to slow theoffense or defense down.
Right, and if the call is, ifthe call is stands as called on

(53:53):
the field, you lose a timeout ifit's overturned with a
challenge.
So you are right as the coachthat throws the flag that you,
the play on the field isreversed to what it should be
and you get to keep your timeout.
Okay, got you.

Speaker 3 (54:12):
So I also believe you don't.
You can't use them in the lasttwo minutes of each half, okay?

Speaker 8 (54:18):
Well, it's you know.
It's a little different then,because I guess I just you know
the rules of this, that andanother thing, and you can only
have so many of this like Iguess it makes sense then, if
you know.
I would think, if they're right, don't, because that's the
thing if, if your challenge isaccepted, like I mean, accept it

(54:40):
as in, like you know they findthat you're correct, then
nothing happens right, you losea challenge.

Speaker 2 (54:46):
But no, if you're found correct, Okay so say like.
They call a passing complete.
I challenge it, the boothreview, they call it complete.
The ball moves to where therunner was down that, or they
caught the ball and went out ofbounds or whatever.
Then you get to keep yourtimeout and you get your

(55:09):
challenge back.
Oh, okay, so basically you'reright, you get all your benefits
back and we put the ballwherever you lose your timeout.
If you lose it, it's yourpenalty is you lose a timeout.

Speaker 8 (55:22):
So I guess then you know why all these rules then.
Well, you can't challenge thisand that, another thing, and
because, because, somewhere.

Speaker 2 (55:30):
Interpretation they're not gonna sit there and
review every holding call.

Speaker 4 (55:35):
Well, yeah, I mean, that makes sense, right.

Speaker 2 (55:36):
Because you just throw the flag every play right
Because there's got to be aholding somewhere in there.
I mean they all grab jerseys,they're all pulling on each
other.
I mean it's just part of thegame.
So, like Tim says, the gamewould just go on for frickin
ever because you can say well,there was a holding on the
offensive line.
There's always a holding on theoffensive line.

Speaker 8 (55:57):
Maybe you know, maybe keep that, you know as a, I
mean you got, you got.
I'm just saying like for futurereference because, like the
thought process that I was goingto take this to was, I don't
know how rules change for theNFL, do all the owners come
together and say, well, everyyear they have a rules committee
.

Speaker 2 (56:15):
Yep.

Speaker 8 (56:17):
Guaranty to you they're just gonna come up.

Speaker 2 (56:19):
This year they have been.
That's actually why they gotchallenged.
They never used to be able tochallenge in here.
So the rules committee gottogether and they came up with a
concept for what should we beable to challenge?
What shouldn't we be able tochallenge?
What's that's reviewable?
And that came down to, you know, like every scoring play is
always reviewable.
So if you know you throw a 60yard pass, well, there's not a

(56:41):
referee.
That's within 60, 60 yards ofthe play, right?
They're trying to run down thefield and they're all in their
forties or fifties.
They're not running like a 22year old, that's right, Right.
And they can't quite see theirfeed if it's either out of
bounds, in bounds, they're not.

Speaker 8 (56:55):
That's the reason for all the cameras, so they're not
a spring chicken like me thatcan sprint that In 9.3 days.

Speaker 6 (57:04):
For those of you that don't know, tim is old as shit.

Speaker 2 (57:10):
So all those plays are reviewed just to make sure
the receivers to feed are inbounds or they didn't touch a
sideline when they're running onthe field or something like
that.
They actually crossed the planeof the end zone If they're
diving or something.
So those are always reviewed.
To try to cut down on thechallenges, so they just
automatically booth review itYep.

(57:30):
That booth review guy says, yep, it's good, that it's good.
Now you can still challenge it.
If they say that's a touchdownand you don't think it's a
touchdown, you can always throwthe red flag and they can look
at it again.

Speaker 5 (57:43):
But you're dumb as shit.
But you're dumb because they'vealready reviewed it and they're
not going to change your mind.

Speaker 2 (57:49):
So now, now that we sometimes they do not much.

Speaker 5 (57:52):
So we beat up the football rules.
Ok, baseball this year.
Ok the new rules that theyimplemented in baseball I don't
know if you guys are baseballplayers or what.
Do you watch it?
I do the pitch clock kind ofbullshit, is that you?
Know, speed up, speed up, Iknow it speeds up the game, but

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the batter he's got to be in thebox in the box.
Eight seconds.
You don't get to stand outthere and adjust your gloves and
both nuts.
Let me ask you a question.

Speaker 2 (58:26):
You haven't even swung the bat.
You need to adjust your.
Yeah, I know, I know.
Yeah, you need to grab moredirt off the ground and rub your
hands on it.
Yeah, I agree, seriously, it'sgetting out of hand.
And I agree, I got to do theJesus sign before I stand in.

Speaker 5 (58:40):
Yeah, every time.
I agree, because personally Ithink the the league should go
to.
Once you're in the box, stay inthe box, unless somebody buzzes
your tower and you fall out ofthe box.
Then you get back up, dustyourself off, get back in the
box and but the thing I don'tlike about the pitch clock or

(59:02):
not the pitch clock you can onlythrow over the first base twice
.
So I'm a speedy guy.
If I'm a Ricky Henderson and Iget out there and you toss, I go
back safe.
I get out there, you toss again, I'm going, I'm going to.
You can't throw the firstanymore, so throw the second.
If they think about it that way, I mean I mean that's a good,

(59:26):
that's a good point.

Speaker 2 (59:27):
Just turn around, just throw a fucking second, or
be a fastball to the catcher andlet the catcher throw down.

Speaker 5 (59:35):
Well, I'm just, I know, but there's there's other
ways that they can do it.
I just I didn't like the waythey and I guess in a way I'm a
purist in the baseball thing acertain way, but then I'm not
like Pete Rose should be in theHall of Fame.

Speaker 6 (59:50):
I agree.

Speaker 4 (59:51):
And he didn't bet on his flipping team.

Speaker 5 (59:54):
He wasn't Shewless Joe Jackson.
You know, shewless Joe Jacksonshould be in the Hall of Fame
too, you know.

Speaker 6 (59:58):
You know who used to bet on sports all the time.

Speaker 2 (01:00:03):
Ryan Day, fuck Ryan Day.

Speaker 6 (01:00:05):
Michael Jordan.
Oh, I bet All the fucking timehe was betting on sports all the
time.
His team, other team.
You know that when he left fora couple of years and you know,
because when his father died,and tried baseball it was really
a suspension, a quietsuspension, for betting on his

(01:00:26):
team.
Shut up.
I've heard that.
Yes, trey, yeah Trey, look itup.
I never heard that.
I never heard that.

Speaker 2 (01:00:34):
Look it up.

Speaker 6 (01:00:35):
I'm not saying it's not true.

Speaker 5 (01:00:36):
I'm not saying it's not true.
I'm just saying, trey, come on.

Speaker 6 (01:00:41):
We all know Jordan was a like a rabid bet person.

Speaker 2 (01:00:44):
He still has bet on everything.
He bet on golf and everything.
Yeah, he bet on everything.
He bet on everything.

Speaker 8 (01:00:49):
He bet on golf.

Speaker 2 (01:00:51):
No, like I mean what he's playing.
It's really funny, unless I wasplaying the Larry Thayer golf
ball.

Speaker 5 (01:00:59):
I would never have had against you.
Hey, Larry Thayer, probablygoing to be our next junior vice
department jiu-jitsu vicecommander, I need more of your
golf balls, since they're allMichigan.
They're the only ones that Ican hit straight, so I need more
of your golf balls.

Speaker 2 (01:01:14):
Okay, I'm not going to say it's straight, but I
don't lose them, never lose them.
They bounce out.
He hits them in the pond, theyjust skip.
He has never lost and Iconfident in all the VFW golf
outings and stuff.

Speaker 5 (01:01:30):
And I suck.
And he never loses, larry ball,larry ball, larry ball is
always good.

Speaker 3 (01:01:37):
I think we should have the right driving range and
the weather is better.

Speaker 8 (01:01:40):
So question and statement Number one.

Speaker 2 (01:01:44):
So then is there kind of a statement, or is this the?

Speaker 8 (01:01:47):
question.
Here's the question so are.
Is there kind of a general rulein all the major leagues that
players aren't allowed to bet?
Then yes.

Speaker 5 (01:01:56):
Okay, there's no betting on baseball.

Speaker 4 (01:01:58):
Oh, okay, there's no betting in football.

Speaker 5 (01:02:01):
But now you can bet in football.
You just can't bet on your ownteam, and I'm guessing all of
them do that now.
I don't think that's right, youdon't.

Speaker 2 (01:02:07):
I don't think you can bet it all Football, you kid.
I don't think so because yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:02:12):
Yeah, I mean, he's a person he got.
He got suspended because he betin the Lions facility, but he
could bet outside the facility.

Speaker 2 (01:02:21):
He didn't bet, wasn't his like?
Cousin placed his bets for him.

Speaker 5 (01:02:28):
I heard that he got.
He got suspended for them sixgames because he bet Look it up,
Joe, I can get that on footballcan prove.
Football players bet on profootball games.

Speaker 2 (01:02:40):
I think if I'm recalling correctly which might
not be right I think he had acousin or a brother or somebody
else placing his bets for him,and I pretty serious when I say
that one is allowed to gamble onany NFL related events.

Speaker 3 (01:03:02):
There you go.
What's the say?

Speaker 2 (01:03:06):
No NFL players are allowed to bet.

Speaker 3 (01:03:08):
If all NFL personnel other than players are, further
from placing listening orlistening bets on any other
professional Convitation, sothey could do NBA and they'll be
NHL.
They just can't do their own.
It's not NFL.

Speaker 6 (01:03:21):
You remember that rap ?

Speaker 2 (01:03:22):
song when he was he was doing it Players, though
players can Players can.

Speaker 3 (01:03:27):
Yeah, it's saying all NFL personnel other than
players are further prohibitedfrom doing it.

Speaker 2 (01:03:33):
So players can, players can bet, players can bet
, but other staff can.

Speaker 6 (01:03:38):
That don't make no sense, it's the fucking Roger
Goodell NFL.

Speaker 5 (01:03:44):
The no fucking fun league.

Speaker 2 (01:03:46):
You know, but players can bet, but if I'm in the
front office I can't.
You're done watching the show.
No D communicating.

Speaker 3 (01:03:54):
But you can't, you can't you can't bet on NFL games
.

Speaker 2 (01:03:58):
Google the no Google the Jameson Wilson or Jameson
suspension.

Speaker 5 (01:04:06):
Jameson Williams suspension.
Yeah, so the Detroit Lions, incase another one comes up.
I'm hearing a little bit of iceSounding empty.

Speaker 2 (01:04:22):
I got those big cubes in there.

Speaker 6 (01:04:24):
I put that in there this is for betting related
policy violations.

Speaker 2 (01:04:29):
Right.
So, and I'm pretty sure it waslike a cousin or a brother that
was placed in his bets form andhe got caught.

Speaker 5 (01:04:36):
I heard he got.
He got in trouble because hebet at the Lions facility.
He actually placed the bet offhis phone while he was in the
facility, but I don't knoweither.

Speaker 6 (01:04:47):
I wouldn't even.
I don't know.
If I was a professional athlete, I wouldn't even mess with it,
don't even go near it.
Now, I do enjoy betting onsports, so enjoy it.

Speaker 8 (01:04:57):
Let's talk about that , because I wanted that was my
next statement was, since we'retalking about betting in sports,
how far do we think the Lionsare going to go this year?
Do we think this is the year?

Speaker 2 (01:05:11):
So I tell you.

Speaker 6 (01:05:12):
No, this is not the year.
I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:05:15):
I just mean I put a dollar, I put a dollar at the
beginning of the year and theLions were insurable.
I do it every year.

Speaker 6 (01:05:21):
Well, a dollar.
What's the?

Speaker 3 (01:05:23):
payment on that.

Speaker 2 (01:05:24):
Because, I have like $190 or something.

Speaker 6 (01:05:29):
Well, I mean, you're like 70 years old Plus 19.
You're 70 years old.
So for the past 50 years you'veput 50 dollars.

Speaker 2 (01:05:37):
I'm 70 years old.
I'm younger than you.
What's it?

Speaker 6 (01:05:41):
mean to you you are 95.
I thought you looked fucking 70.
I guess I'm wrong.

Speaker 8 (01:05:49):
The Marines strike again, so I'm not big into
sports betting.
I'm not either.

Speaker 5 (01:05:57):
I don't bet because I like my money.
I don't want to give it to you,you don't do a whole lot.

Speaker 6 (01:06:02):
And listen, I don't do a whole lot of sports betting
, but like when I go out toVegas, the sports book, just
sitting in those big comfychairs watching sports all
fucking day, just going to pay,you know paying, you know five,
ten, twenty dollars a game, Idon't go to fucking Vegas, okay.
So you should go to fuckingVegas.

Speaker 5 (01:06:21):
I don't want to go to Vegas, all my boats.

Speaker 8 (01:06:23):
You're boring.
You're an old man.
That's why All my bets are likedollar.

Speaker 2 (01:06:28):
Yeah, yeah, like an entire Michigan game or Detroit
Lions game.
I maybe have eight dollars andI have eight different bets for
a buck each, and it's not likeI'm betting $30 and $50.

Speaker 6 (01:06:42):
It's not stupid.

Speaker 2 (01:06:43):
I mean I throw $100 on my book and then I sit dollar
, dollar, dollar, dollar, youknow for different shit and it's
just so weird.

Speaker 6 (01:06:50):
Listen, it makes the game more fun, yeah it does.

Speaker 8 (01:06:55):
It's like you got skin in the game.

Speaker 6 (01:06:57):
I'm going to win and I just recently got into this
and passed like two years.
Yeah, my brother and a coupleof friends of mine like hey, you
got to do it like this, likethis.

Speaker 1 (01:07:06):
I was in Vegas betting on fucking horses.

Speaker 2 (01:07:11):
I was like I'm not out there to make a million
dollars, you know but it makesthe game interesting so like, if
I want Josh Reynolds for theLions, I want him to get 36
yards, right, is he going to getover under 36 yards?
So I, you know, put a beteither way and I'm like, dude,
don't catch the ball, or shefuck that.

Speaker 5 (01:07:30):
Run, run, run.

Speaker 6 (01:07:31):
You know like I mean let me win my fucking three
dollars.
It does, it does.

Speaker 2 (01:07:37):
The fantasy league.
You know where you're draftedplayers and you know you're
getting points based on how goodthey're doing.
And you, you're watching allthese different games and doing
all this different stuff.
That's what makes it fun.
It's not about the money.
The money just enhances it alittle bit Exactly.

Speaker 4 (01:07:53):
That little dope being hit.

Speaker 8 (01:07:56):
You want to know something?
That would be even more fun.
I think we should all pulltogether.
We should buy a thoroughbred,you know.

Speaker 6 (01:08:02):
Oh, here's the Navy guy, and we should.
What now?

Speaker 8 (01:08:05):
We should.
We should name the thoroughbredmy face, so that when we're
ahead and we're about to win,everybody in the stands yelling
come on my face.

Speaker 2 (01:08:15):
Everybody grabbed your checkbook 10 grand a piece
right now, you bring a checkbook.
No, I'm not, I'm not going tobe having nothing.

Speaker 5 (01:08:28):
that where people are yelling, come on my face, I'm
not.
That's a Navy guy.
That's a Navy guy that thoughtof this.

Speaker 2 (01:08:39):
Okay, the last time I heard you say it, you were way
more excited.

Speaker 8 (01:08:50):
In all seriousness.
I just got into sports bettingfor real.
I've received.
For those of you listening,we're in Mount Pleasant,
michigan.
Our casino here is a SoaringEagle Casino.
They just opened a sports booknot too long ago.

Speaker 2 (01:09:06):
They have an app, so log on.
Yeah, they have an app, it'sonly been there for like a year.

Speaker 8 (01:09:11):
I think Sports book yeah, year and a half, yeah,
yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:09:15):
If you're trying to use a vandal in here in town.

Speaker 3 (01:09:17):
It blocks you because of the reservation.
Yep, we're on the IsabellaIndian reservation.

Speaker 2 (01:09:22):
I found that mistake out here I literally here at the
office I can't, at the SkyLodge I can't place a bet, but I
can't at home, because I'm justoff the reservation line,
because for M20, anything southof M20 is not on the reservation
, so I actually now have sportsbook at the Soaring Eagle, so I
could do it anywhere.

Speaker 3 (01:09:41):
What if I could do it with a VPN?
I'll try that.
I think they might be smart onthat.

Speaker 8 (01:09:46):
I don't know, so I went to the sports book and told
them hey, I'm newbie, neverdone this before, but I want to
bet on.
It was the Army Navy game andof course I bet on Navy and I
lost my bet.

Speaker 6 (01:10:02):
But you know that's the sad point.
I mean it's a pretty fuckingsafe bet on the Navy because we
get our ass kicked all the time,because our boys when they go
to West Point and they graduatethey go to fucking combat.
In the grand scheme of things,we win, right yeah, because

(01:10:22):
we're fucking heroes.

Speaker 8 (01:10:27):
Anyway, did you hear that horn toot just a second ago
.

Speaker 6 (01:10:30):
The sports book is an ascend right.
Yeah, it's in the back of thecasino.

Speaker 8 (01:10:34):
Yeah, but the lady that was working there was
really nice.
I told her I'd never done itbefore and she kind of walked me
through some of the basics.
But she told me this story.
She's like the thing aboutsports betting is that the
minimum is a dollar.

Speaker 6 (01:10:48):
You don't have to be a high-roller to come and have
fun.

Speaker 8 (01:10:50):
Exactly, and she told me the story about this guy and
apparently it's called a parlaywhere you bet on multiple
things all at once and if theyall hit you win.
So she was telling me the story.
She was like this guy right nowagain, they've only been open
year, year and a half at thispoint and she goes.
This guy comes in bets like 20bucks on this huge parlay.

(01:11:11):
She can't even remember what itwas, but the dude, my freaking
hit every single one of thosethings and still holds the
record right now.
They paid him out over like 100and some 200 and some grand.
Oh my God.

Speaker 6 (01:11:27):
Every day Give me a parlay.

Speaker 2 (01:11:29):
She's like I'm gonna pray that she hits $20 a day.
Let me ask you this we got acouple people that want to call
in.

Speaker 6 (01:11:37):
Yeah, okay.

Speaker 2 (01:11:37):
Oh, shut up, Really.
We got picture.
I'm looking at Cappy Randy, gilRand, billy, oh God.
They want to call in, cappy, wewant to call them in, and if we
need to wrap this episode up wegot a little bit of time we can
always cut them.

Speaker 8 (01:11:55):
Yeah, we can.
What's our time right now?

Speaker 6 (01:11:58):
We got like six minutes.
We got 15, 20 minutes.
Let's do it, let's bring themin.

Speaker 2 (01:12:05):
They want to fucking come in, bring them in.
All right, let me see if I canfigure out.
If not, I'm gonna have to havethat's fucking high speed guys.
Jackie, come over here to do it.

Speaker 5 (01:12:15):
Jackie, get it done.
Come on, webmaster.
Oh, by the way, huge shout out,huge shout out to the techie,
the Mr Joe Gates, the nerdyradio man from Iraq, my adjutant
, who I love.

Speaker 8 (01:12:31):
He's not from Iraq.

Speaker 4 (01:12:35):
He kind of looks like that they're for Harvey.

Speaker 5 (01:12:38):
Harvey, my adjutant, who does a great job with this.
Who's fucking donkey is here?
We were not able originally,hey Hooker, we were not able
originally to have these micswork, these, uh, these surround
sound mics.
And Charlie tried to figure out.

Speaker 8 (01:12:58):
I tried to figure out Well, that's your problem.
It was a Marine in an army guy.
Well, Joe's army.
Yeah, but he's got an excusebecause he actually did fucking
communications.

Speaker 5 (01:13:07):
Joe jumped in there and got it done.
Hey buddy, how you doing, heypretty good, how's it going?

Speaker 2 (01:13:12):
Can everybody hear?
Yeah, I can hear him, I canhear him.
Hey, we got you on the line,man.
What's up?

Speaker 7 (01:13:20):
You're supposed to be face time.
What's?
He's the problem.

Speaker 6 (01:13:24):
Nobody wants to see your ugly face camping.

Speaker 7 (01:13:26):
I don't know why it's face time, that's okay.
It's shown far, not me.

Speaker 2 (01:13:33):
I don't know why, it's face time.

Speaker 3 (01:13:34):
I don't know, why it's face time.

Speaker 7 (01:13:38):
Because they haven't turned it on.

Speaker 5 (01:13:40):
Oh, it's on, I can hear you.
You're gums.

Speaker 2 (01:13:42):
Yeah, we can hear you .
I don't know why you're on facetime.

Speaker 7 (01:13:46):
Yeah, we.
We have a lot of pieces ofglass down here that need to be
cleaned, so we need a windowliquor down here.

Speaker 5 (01:13:52):
Well, we'll send Britain.
Yeah, I'm not at window liquor.
We're the.

Speaker 2 (01:13:56):
Navy guy.
We'll send the Navy guy.
I was the guy driving the bus.

Speaker 8 (01:14:00):
All right, I wasn't looking.

Speaker 7 (01:14:01):
It's always a.

Speaker 8 (01:14:02):
Navy guy.

Speaker 7 (01:14:03):
Now we can see that Uber driver and liquor.
Why is that a picture of yourcrutch?

Speaker 2 (01:14:10):
Oh man, we're trying to figure this, there it is.

Speaker 5 (01:14:14):
All right.

Speaker 7 (01:14:22):
All right, you brought trade down there.
Yeah, you know there's gotta bea token black guy.

Speaker 4 (01:14:29):
Gotta be, gotta be.

Speaker 2 (01:14:31):
All right.
So joining us on the podcastright now is uh uh Cappy.
He's there, we go, all right.
Sorry, all right, I actuallyhit the button on the uh on the
podcast machine, but we got uhCappy, who's a member of Pulse
3033 Army veteran looks like wegot Bill Payne.

(01:14:52):
Bill Payne, who's a member ofPulse 3033.

Speaker 5 (01:14:55):
Army veteran.

Speaker 2 (01:14:56):
Army veteran, former Pulse commander Yep.

Speaker 5 (01:14:59):
And former district commander former district
commander.

Speaker 2 (01:15:01):
We got Randy Guillory , who's an auxiliary member
auxiliary member Yep Of our post.

Speaker 5 (01:15:07):
His grandfather fought in World War two.

Speaker 2 (01:15:10):
His great grandfather .
World War one is great.
Great grandfather, his greatgreat grandfather fought, and I
don't know, the Rome era,something like that, back in the
day.
So, uh, yeah, we just got theseguys uh, they're sitting at the
post, uh, it looks like, got acouple of beverages in their

(01:15:30):
hands.
Uh, so we've been talking about, uh, michigan football, detroit
Lions we were on right now.
Um, and, yeah, these guysdecided they wanted to call in
and shoot the shoot the shitwith us.
So what are you guys doingtonight?

Speaker 7 (01:15:46):
We're supporting 3033 .

Speaker 2 (01:15:49):
Perfect, that's what we like to hear.
I'm going to set you guys up soat least you can maybe look
down the table.

Speaker 7 (01:15:56):
Wow, we see Brad and we don't want to see the oh, no,
all right.

Speaker 4 (01:16:00):
Hold on.

Speaker 2 (01:16:11):
Wow, look at it, there we go.

Speaker 3 (01:16:16):
All right.

Speaker 7 (01:16:20):
What's that?
Who's the guy on the far right?

Speaker 4 (01:16:24):
Who's right?
You're right.

Speaker 7 (01:16:25):
You're right.

Speaker 2 (01:16:26):
Probably Brent and wave your hand.

Speaker 7 (01:16:28):
That guy.
No, no, no, I didn't say thefar back right.

Speaker 6 (01:16:33):
Oh, fucking Tim.

Speaker 5 (01:16:34):
You talked about the post commander.
Look there, that is one.

Speaker 7 (01:16:40):
I understand post commander.

Speaker 2 (01:16:45):
So what do you guys think about Michigan Wolverines?

Speaker 7 (01:16:50):
We were.
We've had multipleconversations during that last
hour and a half two hours maybethree hours that we've been
supporting the post.
Here.
We're building our part.
The door's open, but no, we're.
There's been multipleconversations about what our
ball is going to do next year.

(01:17:11):
Yeah, but you are trying topick which team he's going to.

Speaker 5 (01:17:15):
He's staying, he's staying.

Speaker 7 (01:17:17):
Yeah, he's staying, I'm leaving.
Let's put him in as a Patriotscoach.

Speaker 2 (01:17:23):
I don't know, did you see Seattle?

Speaker 7 (01:17:29):
No, I can't see him going West Coast.

Speaker 2 (01:17:31):
All right.
Well, he was out there in SanFrancisco already.

Speaker 5 (01:17:34):
He ain't going nowhere, he's staying in
Michigan.

Speaker 6 (01:17:37):
Yeah, he's not going anywhere.

Speaker 7 (01:17:40):
I would love to see him stay in Michigan but the
controversy that's going on, Idon't know if he's going to be
able to stick around.
I think he might jump ship andhit the NFL and I don't want to
see him go to Tennessee becausethat that whole program, that
program isn't what it should be.
But could you see him take overin New England for the Patriots

(01:18:02):
?

Speaker 5 (01:18:03):
What makes you think Belichick's leaving?

Speaker 3 (01:18:06):
Where are you going?

Speaker 7 (01:18:08):
I think if he locks in with the Patriots for five
years, they're going to, they'regoing to make a run at it for
the next 10.

Speaker 6 (01:18:19):
I don't know, can I, can I say this Cappy Harbaugh?
Already tried that.
I don't think he's going tomake it.

Speaker 2 (01:18:31):
Hold on, man, let me, let me try to call you guys
back.

Speaker 5 (01:18:34):
Okay, kind of choppy Choppy.

Speaker 6 (01:18:41):
Call them, don't call them regular.

Speaker 8 (01:18:44):
Yeah, call them regular, not FaceTime yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:18:49):
Because Joe fucked it up.
That's what Joe does.

Speaker 8 (01:18:53):
You literally just praised the guy for saving the
day.

Speaker 5 (01:18:57):
Well, he did save the day, but then he fucked it up.
You look at one, at a boydoesn't take away all the, all
shits.

Speaker 7 (01:19:09):
Well, hello, son shit .

Speaker 6 (01:19:11):
There we go that sounds better.

Speaker 2 (01:19:13):
You sound better now.
Now, we just got you on phone,not on FaceTime.
I don't know how that happened.

Speaker 5 (01:19:19):
Joe fucked shit up.

Speaker 7 (01:19:23):
Yeah, he's the tech wizard.
Well, you play audio and visualand that's a problem.
It's like walking the childrenSelf fucking it up.

Speaker 4 (01:19:37):
Yeah, you're still breaking up.

Speaker 2 (01:19:40):
Can you hear us?
Yeah, I can hear you about yourchoppy breaking up?

Speaker 6 (01:19:45):
Hey, just my suggestion.
But get away from what is thatMetro.

Speaker 4 (01:19:52):
Metro cellular Metro cellular.

Speaker 6 (01:19:56):
Stay away from it.

Speaker 7 (01:19:56):
Okay, verizon wireless.

Speaker 6 (01:20:00):
There you go.
Sorry, you sound much betterright now.

Speaker 4 (01:20:06):
Okay.

Speaker 7 (01:20:08):
Well, we're okay on the on the hardball thing, we're
leaning more towards that NewEngland.
I think he could take that teamthat was absolutely fantastic
for the last 10 years and turnhim around.
If you're not going to say it,mr, Fish, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:20:27):
I think for him it's going to be hard to turn down
125 million over 10 years,though Less than the NFL gives
him more, They'd have to givehim keys to the kingdom which
means he'd have to be theBelichick guy.

Speaker 5 (01:20:44):
Yeah absolutely.

Speaker 7 (01:20:46):
But you know 1.25 or 125 million over 10 years.
Only 12.5 million a year.
He's got to set a goal and alevel that stands for years.
So he's got to be making 20million a year.

Speaker 2 (01:21:09):
I don't think any coach in the NFL makes that Not
even close.

Speaker 7 (01:21:14):
Well, we're not talking at the end of the day,
this is, this is hardball.
I mean, how much is yourbrother making a year?

Speaker 2 (01:21:23):
That would have to Google that.
I guess I don't even know, but.

Speaker 5 (01:21:28):
Joe Google it.

Speaker 3 (01:21:29):
What's that?

Speaker 5 (01:21:30):
John, john, hardball.
What's he makes a year.

Speaker 7 (01:21:35):
Yeah, Joe's just there to be a pretty face.
Look at that.

Speaker 2 (01:21:39):
That's why we bring him.
He's our Google guy.

Speaker 5 (01:21:43):
We have a problem.
We say Joe Googles it.
12 million for John.
John makes 12 million a year.

Speaker 7 (01:21:53):
Average, I could tell .
So he's making 11 a year andhe's retiring, so hardball's got
to do better than that by far.

Speaker 2 (01:22:04):
No, we agree.
And he also has to be able torun the show.
So basically, be the GM draftwho he wants bringing the
coordinators do everything hewants to do in order to make the
jump, because that's what he'sbasically doing at Michigan.
He has the keys to the kingdom.

Speaker 7 (01:22:20):
But what was that?
Belichick was making 20 milliona year.

Speaker 2 (01:22:24):
Yeah, I have no idea.

Speaker 5 (01:22:27):
Yeah, that's what Joe just said, 20 million a year.

Speaker 3 (01:22:29):
But was that with bonuses?

Speaker 2 (01:22:33):
Right.
So average annual.
That's not guaranteed salary.
So that means he wins thedivision, he gets a $5 million
bonus.
He does this, makes playouts,that's a $2 million bonus.

Speaker 7 (01:22:46):
Yeah, I think it's an over, I think he swoops in,
takes over New England and, yeah, takes them for the next five
years with a with a guarantee to$100 million for five years.
Boom, because the way he'sgoing to sign with Michigan for
10 years, he's not some springchicken out there that's going

(01:23:07):
to stick around for another 10years.

Speaker 2 (01:23:09):
Well, he's already made.
How many millions on top ofmillions.
It does 20 million a year forfive years, making a difference
just like 125 million over 10.
He's not going to be there 10anyways.
He'll retire after five moreanyways.

Speaker 7 (01:23:22):
And he will.

Speaker 2 (01:23:23):
He's already.
He's already got 70 milliondollars in the bank.
What's, what's 20 million ayear really mean to a guy like
that?

Speaker 5 (01:23:29):
And not only that, he wants his fucking statue right
next to Bo.
Right next to Bo, it's notgoing to be some buckler hall,
it's going to be Harbaugh.
That's what he wants.
Why wouldn't you?
Yeah, so, but he can't do it.
If he leaves Michigan, he's gotto make it.

(01:23:50):
He's got to beat Ohio State forthe next five fucking years,
he's got to win another Natty.
And if he does that, fucking,they might rename the school.
Fucking, not Michigan, it'sHarbaugh, university of Harbaugh
.

Speaker 7 (01:24:08):
You might be right.
You might be right.

Speaker 2 (01:24:12):
So I don't know, it was just.
It was just a thought that wehad going around.
You know where, where hisdirection is going to be going
in the next few years.
But you know we talked about,you know, detroit getting fucked
over at Dallas.

Speaker 3 (01:24:25):
I didn't want to bring something up we talked
about with that.
So I saw today that they'rebanning the old Lions Stafford
Jersey from the game.

Speaker 5 (01:24:34):
I've seen that too.
What?

Speaker 3 (01:24:36):
They're banning it from the four field this next
game.
Wow, that's actually amazing.
So you sold some, you sold somemerchandise and now you're
banning it.

Speaker 7 (01:24:46):
To come back, Well, he went to the freaking.
Yeah, I don't, I don't, I don'tdisagree with it.
You're going to embrace an oldJersey?
Put a Barry Sanders Jersey on.

Speaker 2 (01:24:58):
Yeah, but you have to remember.
Okay, so say, barry Sandersleft Detroit, went and played
for LA.
Are you going to?
Are you going to ban BarrySanders jerseys now Because you
traded him away?
It's not like he left on hisown accord.
Yeah, he traded him away.

Speaker 5 (01:25:12):
He didn't want to be in Detroit.
He told everybody that you youtraded him away.

Speaker 2 (01:25:17):
That wasn't his choice to leave.
Well, he's never a agency andrefused to sign.
You gave him away.

Speaker 8 (01:25:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:25:28):
That's what I was a hard Detroit Lions in back in a
day and when you, when you cutyour own heart out, that's kind
of hard to come back from.

Speaker 2 (01:25:39):
I tell you what when that guy plays injured and his
heart was in the game in Detroit.

Speaker 5 (01:25:46):
Well, yeah, he was old and 16.
For the love of fucking God, heplayed.

Speaker 2 (01:25:49):
He played with guts, he played with passion and he
gave everything he could when hewas on the field for Detroit.
Yep, I agree the shooter waspopping out of socket and the
motherfucker's throwingtouchdowns still in pain and win
a game.

Speaker 3 (01:26:04):
I remember getting hit and he getting up like get
the fuck off of me, yeah, yeah.
Should we continue going?

Speaker 7 (01:26:10):
So what point does he feel you?

Speaker 2 (01:26:14):
Are you?

Speaker 7 (01:26:14):
are you getting touchy feely stuff?

Speaker 2 (01:26:18):
Well, we're always touchy feely than ourselves all
the time.

Speaker 3 (01:26:20):
But that's why this is not a video.

Speaker 5 (01:26:24):
That's why we don't have video on the podcast,
because basically we're allsitting around here naked
drinking beer and talking aboutfucking football.
Tim's naked Shut up, trey, Iknow how you are.

Speaker 7 (01:26:39):
Person is dancing to like trace it around.
I look bad.

Speaker 6 (01:26:44):
I'm making them out while making this look good.
What are you talking about,malcolm, malcolm, malcolm,
brother, malcolm.

Speaker 2 (01:26:54):
Oh shit All right, guys, we're gonna let you guys
go.
We're gonna wrap this up herein a few minutes, so it's great
to have you guys call in nexttime we do this, come on up.

Speaker 7 (01:27:08):
The next topic.
You ought to bring up a littlemore of the lines.
We want to really see wherethey're going to go in these
playoffs.

Speaker 2 (01:27:15):
Yeah, so we'll be back on here in a couple of
weeks.
Yep, right on All right, man,Okay you guys, keep it up, we'll
do man Talk to you later.

Speaker 7 (01:27:26):
Right on, All right bye.

Speaker 6 (01:27:28):
It was good for them to call.
It was great for them to call.

Speaker 5 (01:27:32):
And this is a good trial for us, because we've
never had people call in before.
So now we understand that youknow the search, yeah, and you
know.

Speaker 6 (01:27:42):
another thing is we've been pretty much sitting
here talking about sports forthe past hour and a half and I
know people listening might belike why are these veterans?
We're talking about veteransissues, but here's the thing how
many times we need a littlereprieve.
Well, not only that but howmany times have you been sitting

(01:28:04):
around in the foxhole orwhatever, or the Humvee, the
Humvee and talking about sportsall day long, all day?

Speaker 3 (01:28:15):
My first legal beer was watching Super Bowl in Iraq.

Speaker 2 (01:28:20):
I wasn't 21 yet, so there's actually a guy like
shoot starts on Mondays at thepost.
His name is Taylor, he's goingto the National Guard, he's
getting ready to ship out, he'sgoing to be a snake.
And I told him hey, man, makesure you send me your address.
I had to write my address down.
Send me a letter.
I don't ever expect a letterback, but send me a letter.
Basically it'll be mine to you.

(01:28:41):
They'll have the touch you feel, good stuff to it, but it's
also going to be sports courseand the local news stuff that
you will never see.
Well, you're gone.
I'm not here to you.
Know, I'm not going to kissyour ass, I'm not going to tell
you oh, you're the rock star,you're the superstar, he's going
to do well, he's got the rightmindset.
Oh yeah, built like a brick shithouse.
Yeah, but a brick house, brickshit house.

(01:29:04):
Kids like 30 or 32?
He's 34.

Speaker 4 (01:29:08):
Yeah, he's going to buy a basic.

Speaker 5 (01:29:10):
He had to get a waiver.
Yeah, he's going to basic.
He's fucking going to airborneschool, aerosol ranger school
fucking selection.

Speaker 6 (01:29:19):
Is that in his contract, I believe he said it.
I know he wants to.
I don't know if it's in hiscontract.
I believe it is.

Speaker 8 (01:29:25):
I believe it is.
That reminds me of that guy.
He was a commissioned officerand he they told him that they
were going to force retire himor something.
He was like fuck that.
And he left and came back andhad to go to basic training.

Speaker 4 (01:29:38):
Yeah, so all over again, All over again.

Speaker 8 (01:29:40):
And he finished basic training, army basic training,
at like 56.

Speaker 5 (01:29:44):
What are you trying to say, motherfucker?
What, yeah?
What are you trying to say,motherfucker?
I had a guy that came sayingthat you're old as fuck.

Speaker 8 (01:29:50):
That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:29:51):
I had a guy that did like six years.
The Navy was in my boot campand graduated.
He got like a liberal stack.

Speaker 8 (01:29:57):
Damn.

Speaker 2 (01:29:58):
You know what he regret.
But he graduated as a PFC andhe was like an E four or an E
five.
The Navy was an E two comingout of the Marines and boot camp
, yeah, but he had like sixseven ribbons Damn.
They were leaving like sixyears.
It was nuts Like.
Why would you?

Speaker 8 (01:30:12):
switch.
It's always funny seeing.

Speaker 2 (01:30:13):
He hated it.

Speaker 8 (01:30:14):
It's always funny seeing some people's like ribbon
stacks, because how to see?
You know, most of our listenersare probably military, but for
the ones that aren't our ribbonstacks are basically a resume
that we wear on our chest.
Any veteran can look at yourribbon stack and see where
you've been, possibly like atimeframe, like you know all

(01:30:35):
that stuff For sure.
So like if you know what theyall mean, if they, if you know
what they all mean, but one ofthe funniest events, one of the
funniest times that I sawsomebody's ribbon stack, was a
chaplain that really, reallyadmire, really really respect,
and his name is Ben Mathis.

(01:30:56):
I don't know what his rank isanymore he's probably a
Lieutenant Commander at thispoint but he's, he's a Navy
chaplain.
And, uh, he was a Marine beforehe became a chaplain, and so
the running joke was that he wasstacking bodies before he was
saving them.
That's pretty good.

(01:31:19):
That's pretty good, but I'llnever forget the day that I
figured out he was a Marine.

Speaker 4 (01:31:23):
I was like oh shit.

Speaker 2 (01:31:25):
You know, that's what we do Stack bodies, kiss babies
and drink beer.
Drink beer, all right wellwe're going to, we're going to
bounce off this one for thisweek.
So we appreciate everybodylistening in.
We'll, we'll get back with youguys here next week.

Speaker 5 (01:31:42):
Hold on.
Before we do that, I have acorrection.
The last podcast I talked aboutmy dude and I called him Nick
Nickerson.
His name is Jason Nickerson, wecalled him Nick and I believe
his dad's name was NickNickerson, so I got that screwed
up.
I did reach out to him and tellhim to check out the podcast

(01:32:03):
and I just want to make sure.
Hey, I better do thesecorrections too.
I'm like Nick.
I love you, bro, love you.
I can't wait to get up toTraverse City and see you again,
be easy.

Speaker 1 (01:32:15):
Thank you for joining us at soup sandwich.
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Military experts and advocateswill dive deep into the issues
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(01:32:36):
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Whether you're a veteranyourself, a spouse or family
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